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---Logopened Sat Mar 20 00:00:17 2010
00:00<AIntel>kop: I'm counting on messing up my pc trying to figure how Debian works.
00:01<kop>AIntel: Follow the rule above and you'll find it pretty hard to mess up.
00:01<kop>AIntel: (At least once you've got it installed, which you do.)
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00:02<dpkg>Before asking, please read the documentation. Documentation isn't always easy to read, but that doesn't excuse you from (a) trying and (b) sending patches to improve the docs. If you don't do this, expect to be told to RTFM by impatient volunteers. Dick Brandon said that "Documentation is like sex: When it is good, it is very, very, good. And when it is bad, it is better than nothing." Ask me about <finding docs>.
00:02<kop>AIntel: The other rule is: get your advice from the offical debian support channels, or the people who wrote the software. Getting random advice from the net produces random results.
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00:03<AIntel>kop: There is a lot of new things to learn. I read the newbie documents but its just a taste of never ending commands.
00:04<kop>AIntel: You can ask stupid questions, so long as you do it in a smart way. "/msg dpkg ask" for more info.
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00:05<kop>AIntel: You arn't really expected to know everything, just to have made some effort, and to show willing should someone tell you to rtfm -- most especially if they point you in a direction.
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00:07<kop>AIntel: The good news is that a Unix admin from 1974 would be comfortable on Debian. What you learn is less likely, for some value of likely, to go stale than you might expect.
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00:07<AndyJ>Any tricks I need to know to get utube videos to run with on and eeePC with lenny?
00:07<AndyJ>I'm getting pretty random results at the moment.
00:08<dpkg>well, flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also
00:08<AndyJ>Thanks ppl.
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00:08<adb>AndyJ, use debian ?
00:09<kop>adb: He said "lenny".
00:09<adb>install irssi xchat
00:10<bja>not xchat please,
00:10<adb>bja, !
00:10<adb>mi gusta bailar
00:11<bja> |
00:11<bja> /\
00:11<AIntel>kop: Once irssi is isntalled. How do I run it?
00:11<kop>AIntel: irssi --connect
00:11<bja>AIntel: you type irssi on the command line
00:11<adb>irssi --help
00:12<bja>AIntel: I think you should also install screen
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00:12<bja>Lets you detach your irssi session and run it on the background
00:13<kop>bja: screen is handy, but a distraction when starting out.
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00:14<AIntel>am I banned from this channel?
00:14<bja>kop: you are right, Trying to make life easier :)
00:15<AIntel>I was able to connect with the other pc. Can't join channel. "Banned".
00:15<bja>What nick on what ip?
00:15<AIntel>AIntel2 is * root
00:15<bja>Are you running it as root?
00:15<adb>root is banned
00:16<bja>ok it is not a good idea to do irc as root
00:16<bja>you never know if your client has a vulnerability that can compromise your system
00:16<adb>AIntel, it is for your protection
00:16<bja>logout as root and start as a non privilidge user
00:17<AIntel>hummm... one sec
00:17<kop>AIntel: In general, don't be root unless you've a reason. (I use the su command to be root as needed and then exit out.)
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00:18<bja>!tell AIntel about unix lessons
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00:20<AndyJ>Yay! eeePC is showing flash properly now. Thanks again ppl.
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00:23<SerialEx>How do I see a list of nicks?
00:24<AIntel>heh. This is the most success I've had in while.
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00:25<bja>SerialEx: Depends on your client, but /names usually works
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00:27<SerialEx>Man. I´m used to a list of nicks on the side.
00:27<bja>There is a perl script that does that, i just don't use it too cluttering
00:28<SerialEx>bja: How do you keep track of the users in the channel?
00:28<bja>You don't, you just keep track of the ones you are interested in at the momment
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00:29<bja>Or at least that is what i do
00:29<sney>if you're looking to see if someone specific is on you can type the first few characters and hit tab
00:29<sney>and if they're there, it'll complete
00:29<bja>tab completion works great
00:29<twb>On recent sid install, experimental is pinned, but I can't find the pin declaration in /etc/apt/.
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00:29<twb>Is it hard-coded into apt?
00:29<rutski>hi guys
00:30<rutski>say I want to do an install on an i386 machine
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00:30<rutski>can I get by with only CD-1
00:30<twb>rutski: you don't even need one CD
00:30<SerialEx>How can i change the background to black and letters white?
00:30<twb>SerialEx: in what?
00:31<bja>SerialEx: that is your consoles default
00:31<bja>what console are you using
00:31<SerialEx>twb: irssis. Your nick comes up bright yellow...with a white background.
00:32<rutski>is CD-1 likely to properly set network drivers though?
00:32<twb>rutski: that's hardware-dependent.
00:32<sney>rutski: cd1 has everything you need for a fully functioning system
00:32<rutski>well, yeah; but let's say I have pretty common denominator system
00:32<sney>all the other disks are just software packages
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00:32<rutski>ah, good; that's what I wanted to know :)
00:33<adb>!tell rutski -about netinst
00:33<rutski>netinstall, yea :)
00:33<adb> ~160 MB
00:33<rutski>I have a silly reason for not wanting to do that though
00:33<rutski>it's good, but you might think it's silly
00:33<SerialEx><--- 56k
00:33<sney>not having a totally fast connection would be a good reason
00:34<sney>especially if you were installing on more than one system
00:34<rutski>oh, heh; no, it's a decent connection :)
00:34<sney>rutski: fyi, there are a couple other CD1s that have different default desktop environments, for instance if you preferred xfce or kde over the default gnome.
00:34<rutski>ah, noted, yeah
00:35<rutski>gnome is good with me though
00:35<bja>sney: will you master me one with ion3 please?
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00:35<sney>bja: sure, paypal me a hundred bucks and I'll get right on it
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00:37<bja>sney: I'll toast to your health the full hundred dollars :)
00:38<bja>SerialEx: What console are you running irssi on?
00:38<rutski>is it possible that I'll accidentally hit some button during the install that will prompt me for Disk 2?
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00:41<adb>rutski, no
00:41<rutski>wah... you sure?
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00:41<rutski>so what if I _do_ want to use Disk 2 during the install
00:41<rutski>how would that work?
00:41<AndyJ>flashplugin-nonfree is asking for libnss3-1d which I'm having trouble finding...
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00:42<adb>rutski, is up to you to say to the installer that you have 2 CDROM , so it will use both cdrom ..
00:43<bja>rutski: First you have to download it, burn it, then insert it when you are asked for it. Involves a lot of planning, so I think you will be ok :)
00:43<rutski>adb: ah, so it asks you in a very specific way, like "Do you have disk 2?"
00:43<rutski>the newer one doesn't just assume you have disk 2 based on your choice of software config?
00:43*rutski has only used the older debian installers
00:44<bja>rutski: all of the debian installes from sarge onwards ask for the cds, if they are not present, they download it from the official repos over internet
00:45<rutski>bja: this might be a network-less install though
00:45<rutski>the network card on this machine is problematic
00:45<rutski>or so my friend says
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00:51<AndyJ>where can I find the library libnss3-1d ???
00:51<AndyJ>for AMD64
00:52<sney>aptitude search libnss
00:52<AndyJ>sney: thank you !
00:52<iAmerikan>What's a good file type to convert all my mp3's too so I don't have to deal with installing 'non-free' plugins?
00:53<bja>iAmerikan: The one your mobile device supports
00:53<kop>iAmerikan: May as well be flac. It's lossless and disk is cheap. (You've already lost going to mp3, so why corrupt futher?)
00:53<sney>ogg is roughly comparable to mp3
00:53<sney>you won't get any quality back by going from mp3 to flac
00:53<kop>sney: No, but you will lose more going from mp3 to ogg.
00:54<sney>!start a format war
00:54<sney>dangit dpkg
00:54<kop>iAmerikan: The right way is to archive in lossless format and then keep copies in whatever you must to make your devices happy.
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00:54<kop>iAmerikan: In theory anyway. YMMV.
00:54<iAmerikan>kop, disk is cheap?
00:54<kop>sney: :)
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00:55<bja>iAmerikan: Download and install lame then you don't depend on any non-free plugin
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00:55<bja>Take a look at their site and you will see some notices about why they don't distribute binaries directly
00:56<kop>iAmerikan: I caculate about 4,000 hours of flac compressed music/$100 of disk.
00:56<bja>iAmerikan: Disk is cheap, you get to have 250 GB when a few years back you only got 40 Mb
00:56<sney>dmm also has lame packaged
00:57<kop>iAmerikan: That's 2 cents/hour.
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00:59<keiichidono>I have been using Windows 7 because the latest version of Ubuntu (kernel problem really) kills my wireless and I have to blacklist drivers to get it to work. If switching to Debian is less effort and nets me the same result then I will switch. Also I am not happy about the switch from usplash to something else and now in 10.04 they switch to Plymouth.
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01:01<kop>keiichidono: There's no telling if it will be less effort. You can be sure debian stable won't change out from under you. You will eventually have to upgrade and that does sometimes cause problems. I use debian stable because it just works and does not interrupt what I want to do. I pay in having to use old software. (Still on firefox/iceweasel 2.5, iirc.) Mostly I don't care. If I care enough I do something about it.
01:03<kop>keiichidono: I figure an upgrade every 3 years. "/msg dpkg debian releases" for a history and judge for yourself.
01:05<bja>kop: itym "every 2 years from now on"
01:06<kop>bja: Wasn't that what they said after Woody?
01:06<keiichidono>Damn, suddenly blacklisting drivers is easier for me.
01:06<kop>keiichidono: There's always testing, that being what Ubuntu is based on. Or so they say. Some like it.
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01:07<kop>keiichidono: The creation of Ubuntu put pressure on Debian to release.
01:08<keiichidono>AFAIK it's only one 0.0.01 higher than the stabe ubuntu release which means it most likely still requires the blacklisting.
01:08<kop>keiichidono: See also
01:09<keiichidono>I could go through changelogs and test the ISO but that's too much effort.
01:09<keiichidono>I'd use Arch Linux if I could but a cocky moderator banned me on the wiki and forum for questioning his authority.
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01:10<kop>!tell keiichidono about make-kpkg
01:10<keiichidono>It's very much a community distro so not having access to the community is a killer.
01:11<keiichidono>Also, compile my own kernel? I want to use/have fun with Linux. I make a point of not using Gentoo.
01:11<keiichidono>AKA Compiling my own kernel is too much effort on my part.
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01:14<keiichidono>I'm considering using FreeBSD but I need to be able to compile mt-mplayer so I can watch my HD anime.
01:14<kop>keiichidono: You can get the latest from If you package it the debian way then, eventually, it'll be replaced by the stock debian kernel. So, if it solves your problem then hey, why not? It's a "follow the steps" sort of process.
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01:17<keiichidono>I'm thinking deeper than that. I'm having this problem because a few developers decided a network routine wasn't in use anymore when in fact it is in use. I can avoid similar problems down the line by switching to FreeBSD.
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01:19<kop>keiichidono: Could be. But there's always regressions. The question is how they get addressed. I find the BSDs lack of real package management (TM) a problem, especially when it comes to upgrades.
01:21<nasuta>how can i enable the mobile broadband in network-manager-kde
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01:21<kop>!tell nasuta about errors
01:21<nasuta>it is gray
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01:22<nasuta>can not to the "reiter", dont know the english word
01:23<kop>nasuta: What language do you speak?
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01:23<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
01:24<kop>nasuta: If you don't get an answer here you can try here again later.
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01:29<russ>Hey guys, just installed Debian 5.0 Lenny, and all seems to work fine except sound. ALSA detects my card, a Creative SB0570, yet no matter which settings are changed through alsamixer, still no sound is played.
01:30<adb>russ grep audi /etc/group , user is showed in ?
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01:32<russ>adb I do not really understand, but it reads: audio:x:29:russ
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01:33<adb>russ, that's ok
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01:34<russ>adb All right, so what are we looking for, exactly?
01:34<adb>russ, id , will tell you all your user groups (for russ)
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01:35<adb>russ, if user 'russ' has the right to lessen the sound(music)
01:35<adb>listen *
01:37<russ>adb, I'm part of the audio group.
01:37<adb>russ, yes , from when ?
01:37<beer>what is the command for unpacking tar.bz2 ?
01:38<russ>adb, I apologize, but do not understand what you mean.
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01:39<beer>when I write bunzip2 name-of-files it tells me that it cannot be done since the file is not a directory
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01:40<adb>russ, i means , if you made the changes by adding russ to audio group, whit out rebooting , you need to at lest to logout/login
01:41<russ>adb, I see. But no, I have not made any changes to which groups I am a part of.
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01:43<sansen>beer, tar -xvfj file.tar.bz2 ?
01:43<beer>that work, tx
01:44<russ>adb, what now?
01:45<adb>russ, try dmesg| tail , get some useful message ?
01:46<russ>adb, yes, it merely lists several specs; here is my sound card: [ 22.421895] snd-ca0106: Model 100a Rev 00000000 Serial 100a1102
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01:47<adb>russ, sorry, i dunno how to help further
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01:48<russ>adb, thank you anyway. Funny thing is, it worked on Arch. I just couldn't handle the instability though. :-\
01:48<adb>try lsmod | grep snd , and try to figure out if 'some' snd modules are missing
01:49<adb>russ, on lenny ?
01:50<klh>waow great !!! I'm impressed, I bought a new keyboard and all additional functions works directly. Really cool
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01:50<russ>adb, I was referring to Arch Linux, another distribution. I get a list of modules. snd_ca0106 is listed; it has a 1 next to it.
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01:50<adb>!win klh
01:50<dpkg>Congratulations, klh! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
01:51<klh>oh yeah !!!
01:51<klh>thx adb ;)
01:51<adb>heh , de rien
01:52<russ>adb, I was referring to Arch Linux, another distribution. I get a list of modules. snd_ca0106 is listed; it has a 1 next to it.
01:54<adb>yea, try to find same module in le.. heh you said running lenny ?
01:54<russ>adb, heh yeah, I am running Lenny. Wonderful release, imo.
01:55<dpkg>alsaconf is a formerly included <ALSA> configuration tool to detect sound cards. Removed from the alsa-utils package at 1.0.17-1: "The only valid use-case for alsaconf is aiding the configuration of ISA sound cards." Ask me about <install alsa> and <alsa checklist>. See also
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01:56<amani>there is a problem in my finger print reader....
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01:57<russ>adb, my card is connected via PCI; also, it lists my module.
01:58<adb>russ, install 'alsa-utils' , and run 'alsaconf'
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01:59<adb>as last resort ;-)
02:00<russ>adb, gotcha. :-) Are you by any chance French?
02:01<klh>adb is universal
02:03<adb>!win russ
02:03<dpkg>Congratulations, russ! You have won the US presidency!
02:04<russ>klh, Il sait tout? (sorry if my French is a bit off)
02:06<russ>adb, ran alsaconf, but still no sound. Adjusted volume meters, toggled mute, still nothing. :-\
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02:07<adb>russ, has two sound cards ?
02:07<russ>russ, no, just one.
02:07<klh>sure ? not one included in your mobo ?
02:09<adb>alsaconf showed only one ?
02:09<russ>klh, nope; just one.
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02:10<russ>adb, well, there was one other viable option: snd_mpu401 or something. Shall I go for it?
02:10<klh>russ, how do you test sound ? playing music ?
02:10<adb>at lest try it
02:11<russ>klh, I run a simple aplay command from terminal.
02:11<russ>adb, will do.
02:12<russ>adb, it configured it already. Now I get an error message: No mixer elems found.
02:13<adb>yeah ..
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02:14<russ>What I cannot understand is how this card works under different Linux distros like Arch and Ubuntu.
02:14<adb>russ, lspci -nn | grep Aud , says ?
02:15<russ>02:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: Creative Labs SB Audigy LS [1102:0007]
02:15<adb>, pciid 1102:0007
02:15<judd>[1102:0007] is 'CA0106 Soundblaster' from 'Creative Labs' with kernel module 'snd-ca0106' in lenny. See also and the out-of-tree 'snd-ca0106' module.
02:15<russ>adb, what is "out-of-tree" ?
02:16<adb>lsmod | grep snd-ca0106
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02:16<russ>adb, nothing comes up.
02:17<adb>modprobe snd-ca0106
02:17<adb>lsmod | grep snd-ca0106 , again
02:18<russ>adb, still nothing.
02:18<gsimmons>adb: ITYM to grep on snd_ca0106.
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02:19<adb>try, lsmod | grep snd_ca0106 , as gsimmons said
02:20<russ>adb, okay, things popped up. What do they mean?
02:20<adb>gsimmons, why they change the name snd-ca0106 -> snd_ca0106 ...
02:21<adb>russ, test the sound again
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02:22<russ>adb, it works!
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02:22<adb>gsimmons, was a rhetoric question only
02:22<russ>Thank you all so much!
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02:22<adb>!win russ
02:22<dpkg>Congratulations, russ! You have won a lifetime supply of spam!
02:23<adb>russ, yw
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02:23<russ>adb, thanks to your help. :-) So, will I have to go through all this again? Or will things correct themselves?
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02:24<adb>russ, add that module to /etc/modules , so it will be load at next boot
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02:26<russ>adb, merci beaucoup!
02:27<adb>avec plaisir !
02:29<russ>adb, je suis tres fatigue. merci beaucoup pour son assistance. bonsoir mon ami.
02:30<adb>a+ salut
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02:34<aaj>hi anyone installed debian squeeze on samsung galaxy mobile i7500
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02:35<vinu>hey one great news
02:35<aaj>vinu, ??
02:35<vinu>anyone heared about the x serevr issue??
02:35<twb>vinu: could you be a little more specific?
02:36<vinu>some linux distros showing up errors in some PCs after installing " x screen error: no screens found"
02:36<vinu>after that the system restarts we cant instal linux.
02:37<vinu>i was a victim of that for the prev 6 months....
02:37<aaj>vinu, which distro and on what graphics card?
02:37<vinu>i was trying all possibilities...
02:37<vinu>all distros..
02:37<vinu>ubuntu 9.10
02:37<vinu>so now
02:37<vinu>at last................
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02:37<vinu>i got it
02:37<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
02:38<vinu>any one from india??
02:38<aaj>vinu, i am
02:38<adb>!tell vinu -about off-topic
02:39<vinu>the linux distro " BOSS" ( Bharath Operating Sustem Solutions) version 3.1 solved al my issues and now i am using it
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02:40<vinu>its autoconfigured to x server , display automatically selected, internet and LAN again autoconfigure. really a cute distro for the new users.
02:41<aaj>vinu, good
02:43<vinu>try it
02:43<adb>vinu, you are offtopic , please keep quiet
02:44<vinu>i am going. want to explore linux more. bye see you all.
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02:46<TCW>That was... interesting :)
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02:50<jerryclunsford>Sounded like a commercial to me.
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02:57<vook>and to what is this pertaining ?
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03:12<cuervo>hi/hola (?)
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03:22<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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03:48<Spitfire>quick question
03:48<Spitfire>ubuntu doesn't want to install on my computer
03:48<Spitfire>never used debian before
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03:48<Spitfire>am i going to be lost?
03:48<valdyn>Spitfire: yes
03:49<Spitfire>erll god damn it
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03:49<Spitfire>anything you would recommend?
03:49<valdyn>Spitfire: some guy who will get ubuntu to install on your computer
03:49<locklace>Spitfire: debian install is easy. try one of the backport installer images at
03:49<Spitfire>i have the CDs for both
03:50<Spitfire>ubuntu is easy as fuck
03:50<Spitfire>point, click, wait
03:50<Spitfire>but the partitioning is screwing up
03:50<valdyn>Spitfire: i had the impression that you dont know anything but point and click ;)
03:51<Spitfire>should i make partitions then install ubuntu?
03:51<amitz>valdyn: just want to mention, minesweeper requires skill.
03:51<Spitfire>like partition magic or something
03:51<valdyn>amitz: yea, ive seen people waste it
03:51<valdyn>~3 sec
03:52<amitz>valdyn: that must be "easy" and some pretty serious luck.
03:52<Spitfire>should i make partitions then install ubuntu? or let ubuntu partition it's self, which screwed up last time
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06:12<ALTi>Damn, I have a strange problem with wine.
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06:13<ALTi>I started the computer this morning.
06:13<ALTi>I started spotify.
06:13<ALTi>It sounded okey
06:13<ALTi>But when I tried to raise the volume through taskbar.
06:13<ALTi>Nothing changed
06:13<ALTi>Even when I set it on the lowest.
06:13<ALTi>Spotify still sounded the same as when I had it at highest.
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06:16<dav>after upgrade to testing I can't get wireless working. during boot I receive abstraction layer error like: "b43-phy0: DMA fatal error"
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06:17<dav>and syslog gives this error locked in loop:
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06:18<dav>it's that driver can't be loaded or smth but it worked fine on lenny :(
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06:26<dav>no clues?
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06:30<Warez->i want all comands
06:31<dav>Warez-, all commands?
06:31<locklace>Warez-: find / -type f -perm -100
06:31<Warez->for bitlbee
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06:44<yogesh>hi to all
06:44<yogesh>is there any one who can chat with me
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07:20<k-man>hi, i installed netinst yesterday, but something seems wrong with the logins. i typed in passwords for root and a user at install time but then i could not log in after install completed
07:21<k-man>when i logged in in single user mode, shadow had a * in the pw field for root and the user i created
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07:23<TCW>k-man, what netinst? Lenny?
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07:27<k-man>TCW: netinst nightly build
07:28<k-man>squeeze i believe
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07:28<TCW>such bug could happen there, I'd report a bug to the bts
07:28<k-man>Debian GNU/Linux testing "Squeeze" - Official Snapshot i386 NETINST Binary-1 20100319-03:55
07:29<k-man>TCW: ok
07:29<babilen>k-man: Install stable and upgrade to testing.
07:29<ml|>yes, check bts and report if you don't find an exsisting bug; and what babilen just said
07:29<TCW>k-man, but it would be wise to doublecheck that you did nothing wrong there
07:30<k-man>TCW: yeah, i might try installng it again and see what happens
07:30<k-man>you guys are very helpul thanks
07:30<TCW>k-man, how complex were the passwords?
07:30<k-man>the guys on freenode were unhelpful
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07:31<ml|>make sure you type it correctly, write it down too make sure
07:31<k-man>TCW: well... its my usual pw, i type it a million times
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07:31<TCW>k-man, with complexity I mean charaters / numbers / symbols?
07:31<k-man>TCW: but i booted to single user mode, and /etc/shadow didn't have an encrypted pw in the pw field, it just had a *
07:32<TCW>k-man, I got that already, but thnaks :)
07:32<k-man>TCW: oh sorry
07:32<k-man>its just letters
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07:33<TCW>k-man, just something like 'abcdefg'?
07:33<k-man>and then also, i removed the password using vi so i was able to log on as root in a normal boot (as opposed to in single user mode)
07:33<k-man>then when i tried to change the pw using passwd, it would get an error
07:33<k-man>TCW: yeah
07:33<k-man>ok, ill reinstall and see what happens
07:33<TCW>k-man, how did you get in in single user mode? Imho the password for root is asked there
07:34<k-man>is there any way to reinstall and not lose all the downloaded packages
07:34<TCW>k-man, yes and no :)
07:34<k-man>TCW: the recovery mode offered in grup had single in it and it did not ask me for a pws
07:35<TCW>the last time I booted single user mode (yeah the option in grub) it did ask me...
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07:35<k-man>TCW: i dunno - just reporting what i experienced.... anyway
07:35<k-man>ill reinstall now and see what happens
07:35<TCW>k-man, may be a feature
07:35<k-man>or maybe i should just get stable and then upgrade to testing
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07:36<TCW>k-man, imho 1st check the bts, if the bug is already reported, go on with whatever you want. If not, check the bug again and report it
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07:36<ml|>or try again and report the bug if there is one
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07:37<TCW>otherwise it may be the bug will never be found until it is 'too late'
07:38<k-man>cant see it in bts
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07:42<ALEJO>como os va he
07:42<zobel>dpkg: tell ALEJO about !es
07:42<ALEJO>un dia aprendereis ha ser los primeros
07:42<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
07:43<ALEJO>you spikin spanish
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07:43<ALEJO>hola dpkg
07:44<ALEJO>hola vsayer eres ingles o español
07:44<locklace>ALEJO: aqui se habla ingles solamente
07:44<zobel>ALEJO: stop it!
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07:45<ALEJO>he no spikin english
07:45<ml|>!ubuntu-es ALEJO
07:45<dpkg>ALEJO: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en Ahi recibira mas soporte.
07:45<ALEJO>hola stuckey
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07:46<ALEJO>no he dpkg
07:46<k-man>once i boot the netinst, can i conduct the install over ssh somehow?
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07:47<ALEJO>debian es lo mas chulo
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07:47<petemc>k-man: ssh installer@host
07:47-!-ALEJO was kicked from #debian by zobel [Escuchar a otra parte!]
07:47<k-man>god damn i love debian :)
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07:48<TCW>k-man, ĕcause spanish folks get kicked? :)
07:48<TCW>because even
07:49<@zobel>Escuchar a otra parte! == Play somewhere else!
07:49<TCW>zobel, I wasn't aware you do speak so good espaniol :)
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07:50<@zobel>i don't, but google translator does.
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07:51<TCW>then I highly doubt that translation was acurate :)
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07:53<k-man>no, because you can ssh into the install
07:53<k-man>at least i think i can
07:53<k-man>just about to try it
07:53<ml|>escuchar = listen; but could mean something else, so many spanish dialects
07:53<ALEJO>como hablan y no entiendo
07:54<ALEJO>speaks Spanish
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07:54<ALEJO>spanish spanish
07:55<ALEJO>speaks Spanish
07:55<ALEJO>speaks Spanish
07:55<ALEJO>speaks Spanish
07:55<ALEJO>no me corteis
07:56<ALEJO>not a bug
07:57<ALEJO>do not give you in your school Spanish
07:57<k-man>hmmm, it asks me for a pw when i ssh in
07:57<ml|>maybe root?
07:57<TCW>k-man, it did give you one
07:57<ALEJO>speak spanish
07:58<locklace>ALEJO: hablan ingles o tu sera expulsado
07:58<ml|>zobel: ^ please
07:58<TCW>k-man, and a login name too (iirc it is 'installer')
07:58<@zobel>ALEJO: Either speak english or play somewhere else!
07:58<@zobel>O hablan Inglés o jugar a otra parte!
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07:59<k-man>TCW: what gave me one?
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08:02<AnAnt>Hello is there a netinst CD image available for testing or unstable releases ?
08:02<locklace>AnAnt: yes, but they're usually broken
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08:03<ml|>AnAnt: install with lenny installer and do the following /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze
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08:03<TCW>k-man, the debian installer as you did choose the ssh module
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08:04<TCW>at least the last time I tested / used the ssh thingy it did work that way :)
08:05<AnAnt>ml|: ?
08:05<k-man>TCW: no, didn't see it till too late, thats why it didn't work
08:05<k-man>i chose a minimal install though so its pretty quick
08:06<AnAnt>ml|: ah, got it , thanks
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08:11<k-man>hmmm... install worked fine this time - not sure how i manaded to break the install last time
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08:13<TCW>k-man, voodoo, sun erruptions and solar flares... the possibilities are endless! :)
08:13<amz>if i have kde, and i wana have gnome too
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08:13<amz>what i should do?
08:13<amz>just apt-get install gnome ?
08:13<amz>and will be work normal?
08:14<k-man>TCW: yeah - oh well
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08:16<ml|>amz: depends how much stuff you want installed /msg dpkg install gnome
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08:18<tholmith>my / is on aes-xts encrypted lvm. with 2.6.32-4 kernel, i get 'cryptsetup: evmc_activate is not available', and i can't even enter the password, but with 2.6.32-3 it works like a charm. any ideas or hints would be greatlly apreciated.
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08:22<aguitel>anyway to upgrade lenny to squeeze ?
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08:22<chaos>apt-get dist-upgrade? :P
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08:23<icebrain>! lenny -> squeeze
08:24<icebrain>!tell aguitel about lenny->squeeze
08:25<dpkg>Test failed.
08:25<icebrain>!slap dpkg
08:25*dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across dpkg's face
08:26<chaos>you shouldn't let it hit itself :P
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08:27<amz>ml|: but
08:28<aguitel>icebrain, what is this:aptitude install aptitude linux-image-`uname -r | sed s,.*-,, ?
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08:29<icebrain>aguitel: if you're asking, maybe you should upgrade :) it basically upgrades aptitude and the kernel
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08:29<icebrain>!greet stuckey
08:29<dpkg>Gr33tz, stuckey
08:29<stuckey>I'm upgrading from lenny to squeeze per instructions from dpkg, and aptitude gives me this:
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08:32<ml|>amz: ask dpkg like I suggested
08:33<amz>how :D
08:33<ml|>icebrain: as you saw ! does not work with -> ;)
08:33<amz>dpkg --install gnome ?
08:33<dpkg>amz: I don't know, could you explain it?
08:33<stuckey>hi ml|
08:33<ml|>amz: /msg dpkg install gnome
08:34<ml|>stuckey: hello
08:34<amz>13:34 <dpkg> To install GNOME on sarge or later, install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less. You will need X installed as well, ask me about <install x>.
08:34<amz>but there is same
08:34<amz>and i cant install gnome package
08:35<amz>aptitude install gnome
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08:35<stuckey>ml|: I'm getting this in aptitude when doing the upgrade to squeeze:
08:35<amz>will work same?
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08:37<peej>stuckey, did you do an apt-get update first?
08:37<stuckey>peej: yes
08:38*tholmith stuckey, :-W
08:39<peej>then, welcome to squeeze ;-). Did you key in "y" ?
08:39<stuckey>peej: I can do that now
08:39<peej>actually, the hash sum mismatch is odd
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08:40<peej>stuckey, has it been giving you this problem repeatedly?
08:40<stuckey>peej: no, I was stopped when it did it. I'm following dpkg's instructions.
08:40<ml|>stuckey: and what command gave you that?
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08:40<stuckey>aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade
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08:42<ml|>and everything before that worked fine?
08:42<stuckey>ml|: yes
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08:44<peej>a tentative theory is "mirror skew" or maybe some proxy glitch?, eg:
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08:46<DERRIC>Does anybody know...
08:46<maika>watch your name?
08:46<DERRIC>how do I rename myself?
08:46<DERRIC>I had the caps on..
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08:47<derric>Alrighty then...
08:47<stuckey>So do I just ignore it?
08:47<maika>k te den!!
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08:48<derric>In some file list displays, the colors change in alternate lines
08:48<peej>stuckey, try aptitude update && etc again - maybe the databases need a sync
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08:48<derric>does anybody know how to change the colors?
08:48<derric>One is dark and makes the black text next to impossible to read.
08:48<maika>k ted ennn
08:49<weasel>maika: do you have something useful to say? if so, say it. if not you better be quiet.
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08:49<ml|>!ubuntu-es maika
08:49<dpkg>maika: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en Ahi recibira mas soporte.
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08:54<derric>Bueno Diaz, Maika! :)
08:55<stuckey>peej: no errors that time
08:56<peej>stuckey, splendid.
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08:57<stuckey>peej: so I can move on to building nvidia drivers now?
08:58<peej>you've done your dist-upgrade step?
08:58<stuckey>peej: i did full-upgrade
08:59<aguitel>icebrain, when i making the upgrade (to squeeze) iceweasel is removing ,this is ok ?
08:59<icebrain>aguitel: not sure, but it doesn't seem right to me :|
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09:00<peej>stuckey, then you're officially on squeeze and free to do whatever is recommended to get nvidia going for squeeze (whatever those steps are - I don't know)
09:00<stuckey>there's a guide
09:00<ml|>stuckey: are you in your newest kernel?
09:00<aguitel>icebrain, when i type :aptitude install aptitude linux-image-`uname -r | sed s,.*-,,` iceweasel is removing
09:00<stuckey>ml|: i rebooted after installing the kernel
09:01<stuckey>ml|: but thanks, I installed them once while still in the older kernel. Not good...
09:01<ml|>yeah, but did you selected it/ using it atm
09:01<stuckey>ml|: yes
09:02<stuckey>hmmm I need those instructions themill send me from dpkg yesterday
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09:02<ml|>stuckey: try the normal methods for nvidia and if that does not work try /msg dpkg nvidia squeeze
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09:03<jekader>can you please tell me, why am I always missing a kbuild dependency whentrying to install a fresh kernel+headers?
09:03<aguitel>ml|, the normal is instaling from nvidia site?
09:04<ml|>aguitel: no
09:04<stuckey>ml|: with sid lines in my sources.list file, will doing aptitude update && aptitue upgrade hose my system?
09:04<stuckey>Or will this cause problems by just being in there?
09:04<aguitel>ml|, what is "normal"
09:04<ml|>stuckey: follow /msg dpkg tum first
09:05<ml|>aguitel: the debian way /msg dpkg nvidia
09:05<aguitel>ml|, ok
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09:05<stuckey>ml|: that's what I did... that's what I'm talking about
09:05<stuckey>ml|: won't doing that mess something up?
09:05<ml|>stuckey: if you follwed that correctly no
09:05<stuckey>okay cool
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09:08<jekader>can anyone help me with my question?
09:09<stuckey>peej: <-- another error
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09:09<ml|>stuckey: saying yes should be fine
09:09<derric>Anybody know how to change the list view colors
09:09<jekader>why is there a package with broken dependencies in the repo? I'm talking about linux-headers
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09:09<derric>The alternate dark blue is driving me out of my mind
09:10<ryks>hello all
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09:11<ml|>jekader: what release?
09:12<ryks>i am trying to config kopete but doesn t work well
09:12<ryks>maby i forgot my yahoo password :)
09:12<ml|>jekader: and some output to a pastebin, would help for you to get help
09:12<peej>stuckey, if installing from sid on top of squeeze the way you are doing is the advice for installing nvidia stuff, then do it, 'cos it'll probably be ok. If it isn't, then you get to keep both pieces free, of course.
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09:18<stuckey>I don't have sound
09:19<ml|>nvidia working?
09:19<ml|>!congratulate stuckey
09:19<dpkg>Good show stuckey, you did it!
09:20<ml|>stuckey: try /msg dpkg alsa checklist
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09:22<ml|>stuckey: remember you will most likely need to repeat those steps on newer kernels
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09:23<ml|>for nvidia that is
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09:31<jekader>ml| - sid amd64
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09:32<jekader>trying to install linux-headers-2.6.33-2-amd64
09:32<jekader>and it depends from linux-kbuild-2.6.33 which is a virtual package
09:33<ml|>judd kernels --release sid
09:33<judd>Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.32-4-686 (2.6.32-10)
09:33<musca>in exp
09:34<ml|>well, no wonder
09:34<jekader>so why don't they include the kbuild for 33 into the experimental repo?
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09:34<ml|>jekader: experimental is not a repo
09:34<ml|>ask dpkg about it
09:35<jekader>some subsidiary of the unstable repo?
09:36<ml|>msg dpkg experimental
09:36<ml|>/msg dpkg experimental
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09:39<jekader>thanks for explaining me this situation. It's strange, though, they have the kernel and headers in experimental, but don't have the kbuild. Moreover, I've understood that kbuild isn't actually needed for the header package to function
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09:40<plugwash>IMO an uninstallable package deserves a bugreport even in experimental
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09:43<dpkg>experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section of the Developer's Reference.
09:43<cockroach>"does _not_ support"
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09:45<jacques>I there
09:45<jacques>HI there
09:45<stuckey>ml|: for sound I just install alsa-utils?
09:46<jacques>I'm coming with an 'aptitude' question
09:47<plugwash>true but what's the point in having experimental if people don't report the bugs they find in it?
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09:48<ml|>stuckey: dunno, did you follow the alsa checklist?
09:48<plugwash>and the point of experimental is to get testing for packages before they are ready for unstable, kinda hard to do that if they are uninstallable
09:48<jhutchins_lt>bugreports are appropriate and important.
09:48<jhutchins_lt>winging about things being broken and expecting people in #debian to fix it not so much.
09:49<stuckey>ml|: how do I add a user to the group?
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09:49<jekader>cockroach - so you obey everything that the bot says? :D I was unaware 2.6.33 is in experimental, so I asked for help here
09:49<ml|>stuckey: check first groups
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09:50<jacques>sudo aptitude update work well but gets stuck for almost one minute to '99% [Attente des fichiers d'en-tête]' with stands for 'waiting for headers file' Any track I can investigate ? Thks Jacques ?
09:50<jhutchins_lt>jekader: Um, how would you not know where a package came from or what sources you were using?
09:50<stuckey>ml|: user is in audio gruop
09:50<cockroach>jekader: the bot is always right, sorry... :)
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09:50<jhutchins_lt>jacques: Make sure you're using the dynamic repositories. That's happening because the server is over-loaded.
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09:51<stuckey>ml|: still no sound
09:52<ml|>stuckey: can't help, just pointing you in the right direction; if you followed that and still no sound, wait for someone to help you
09:52<jacques>jhutchins_lt, ok, thanks for the quick answer. will tune source_lists. Servers overload is temporary so it will fix by itself ;)
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09:53<ml|>jekader: pastebin your sources.list please
09:53<jacques>Bye for now, guys, Regards from Poitiers/France.
09:54<stuckey>Anyone know where icedove keeps config files?
09:54<stuckey>Like if I wanted to transfer all my settings/mail from one install to a new one?
09:54<jacques>jhutchins_lt tks agn. See ya :)
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09:56<ml|>icedove should pick them up on thier own, unless the new version changed to use a new location
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10:09<luke>hello everybody, I am wondering which xml library for c++ would you recommend?
10:09<jekader>jhutchins_lt - I've got experimental enabled for selected packajes (kde4 and stuff) - maybe I installed a kernel from experimental once, than rolled back and forgot about it. But dpkg remembered that, and now lets me install kernels from experimental
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10:09<jekader>ml| - nothing special there, I think.
10:10<aguitel>ml|, is debian squeeze cd 1 working to install the system ?
10:11<ml|>jekader: just asking since ... I was unaware 2.6.33 is in experimental, so I asked for help here
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10:12<ml|>aguitel: I don't know; best to use lenny installer and move to testing after
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10:13<aguitel>i am trying to make upgrade (lenny->squeeze) but a lot of time is wasting to make this and i don't know is finaly is fine
10:13<ml|>aguitel: huh?
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10:16<aguitel>ml|, i am folow this: Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile), then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude linux-image-`uname -r | sed s,.*-,,` ; reboot; aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>. Important: see <squeeze udev>. Upgrading your kernel, rebooting then doing the safe-upgrade step might be a good plan at p
10:16<ml|>right and?
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10:16<aguitel>ml|, and now i am in the step:aptitude safe-upgrade
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10:17<ml|>ah, I understand a bit better now; it should work just fine good luck
10:17<aguitel>ml|, my speed is slow and this step is about 3 hours
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10:18<ml|>you mean downloading what's needed?
10:18<aguitel>ml|, yes
10:19<ml|>take a break get food, etc... :)
10:19<aguitel>ml|, jeje ok
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10:20<aguitel>ml|, my double is if finaly it is working
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10:24<stuckey>Does anyone know what I can do to get sound working? I followed the alsa checklist.
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10:27<rivon>I just installed Squeeze and have a problem with the network. When installing, the installator said that I need to enable some nonfree repos or smtg in order to obtain r8169 driver (rt18168d-{1,2}.fw). I don't know if it's installed or not, and if not how to install it. The net is working, but something is probably with the driver... Also network-manager is looking like I'm not connected, but I am. When I try to add the ethernet connection to it, just nothing
10:27<rivon> happens, no connection is displayed. In Lenny it was all working flawlessly.
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10:33<amz>any there?
10:33<stuckey>judd: versions mplayer-mozilla
10:33<judd>Sorry, no package named 'mplayer-mozilla' was found.
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10:34<amz>How mount windows partions? in gnome when i wanna mount it say i have no access, i edit via root fstab and reboot and still dont have in /media only cd-rom :/
10:34<stuckey>judd: versions mozilla-mplayer
10:34<judd>mozilla-mplayer -- etch: 3.31+main-1; lenny: 3.55-1.1; etch-multimedia: 1:3.40-0.1; lenny-multimedia: 1:3.55-0.0
10:34<stuckey>Ah, dmm
10:34<ml|>stuckey: /msg judd versions gecko-mediaplayer
10:34<stuckey>ml|: I want gecko?
10:35<ml|>that replaces the above
10:35<amz>anyone knows :<?
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10:35<stuckey>okay thanks :)
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10:35<ml|>stuckey: see not listed for squeeze
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10:37<twb>$ crontab -l --error--> crontabs/twb/: fopen: Permission denied
10:37<stuckey>ml|: <--- have you seen this?
10:38<dr|z3d>twb: permission denied is pretty unambiguous. your permissions are whack, one way or the other.
10:38<ml|>stuckey: no
10:39<gsimmons>rivon: /msg dpkg rtl8168d ; /msg dpkg network-manager squeeze
10:39<amz>How mount windows partions? in gnome when i wanna mount it say i have no access, i edit via root fstab and reboot and still dont have in /media only cd-rom :/
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10:40<stuckey>ml|: it's pretty cool -- I can watch youtube without gnash or flashplugin-nonfree
10:40<twb>dr|z3d: yes, but why?
10:40<ml|>amitz: /msg dpkg ntfs and ntfsrw should help
10:40<rivon>gsimmons, who/what is dpkg?
10:40<twb>dr|z3d: should crontab be setgid, or should I be in the crontab group, or what?
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10:40<twb>stuckey: mplayer `youtube-dl -g <URL>`
10:41<ml|>rivon: just type what gsimmons said in your irc client
10:41<stuckey>I can't even get /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav to play as root :(
10:41<gsimmons>rivon: It's the name of a bot on this channel (as opposed to the package manager).
10:41<stuckey>twb: Requires copying and pasting a link.
10:41<stuckey>twb: but cool
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10:41<twb>stuckey: WFM because I only go there when someone gives me a link
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10:42<dpkg>rumour has it, wfm is Works for Me, or some strange corruption of hopwfm, or what fucking manual?
10:42<twb>!tell amz -about ntfs3g
10:42<ml|>stuckey: use /msg dpkg ...
10:42<stuckey>I do use it.
10:43<twb>In #emacs, fsbot is smart enough to respond to an (undirected) "[what is|what's|wtf is|] foo?"
10:44<twb>That way, even noobs can use it, inadvertently.
10:44<twb>amz: plonk (crossposting)
10:45<tholmith>on sid, my / is on aes-xts encrypted lvm. installing 2.6.32-4 kernel also pulled in libuuid-perl and linux-base. install went fine, then i tried to reboot with 2.6.32-4 kernel. i got 'cryptsetup: evmc_activate is not available', and i can't even enter the password, but with 2.6.32-3 it works like a charm. any ideas or hints would be greatlly apreciated.
10:46<ml|>stuckey: btw thanks for info
10:46<stuckey>ml|: No problem. I gave it to dpkg also.
10:47<stuckey>ml|: /msg dpkg youtubewithoutflash
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10:49<twb>Bah, xulrunner lock-in
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10:52<TCW>stuckey, still sound issue?
10:52<stuckey>TCW: yes
10:52<TCW>stuckey, what audio hardware do you have there?
10:53<stuckey>TCW: it's intel I think
10:53<TCW>stuckey, you _think_? :)
10:53<stuckey>00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) HD Audio Controller
10:54<TCW>stuckey, qualifies for "it IS intel" :) specifically intel HDA
10:54<TCW>stuckey, anyhow, intel hda module loaded?
10:55<twb>Note that the snd_hda_intel module isn't actually intel-specific.
10:55<TCW>yeah, worth a note
10:55<stuckey>snd_hda_intel -- loaded
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10:56<stuckey>I mean, I do lsmod | grep intel and I see it.
10:56<TCW>stuckey, other snd related modules as well?
10:56<stuckey>Does that mean it is loaded?
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10:56<TCW>stuckey, in general yes
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10:58<TCW>stuckey, what kernel do you run?
10:58<TCW>stuckey, paste /proc/asound/card
10:59<TCW>stuckey, /proc/asound/cards
10:59<rivon>there isn't any nvidia drivers for 2.6.32-3? only for 2?
10:59<rivon>*there aren't
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10:59<Nazcafan>Has iceweasel-qnome-support been merged into iceweasel?
11:00<stuckey>TCW: I have card0 and card1
11:00<sney>rivon: there aren't prebuilt drivers for several kernels, use module-assistant
11:00<stuckey>TCW: they're directories
11:00<TCW>stuckey, if one asks you to paste then do!
11:01<stuckey>TCW: paste contents of those directories?
11:02<TCW>stuckey, no, the contents of that file
11:02<stuckey>TCW: they are directories
11:02<TCW>stuckey, /proc/asound/cards does NOT exist?
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11:02<stuckey>TCW: no - just card0 and card1
11:03<TCW>stuckey, ls -l /proc/asound please (paste)
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11:04<TCW>stuckey, I see "/proc/asound/cards" there, why don't you?
11:05<TCW>stuckey, oh... now you see it too? IT'S MAGIC!! :p
11:06<TCW>stuckey, anyhow... you see that the pc speaker comes first as it has the lowes "number"?
11:06<TCW>lowest even
11:06<stuckey>TCW: yes
11:07<TCW>stuckey, and I guess you never tried to specify what card it should use for output?
11:07<stuckey>TCW: I wouldn't know how to do that.
11:08<TCW>it == whatever sound application
11:08<TCW>stuckey, me neither right now, but google can tell :)
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11:09<TCW>stuckey, another option would be... do you need the pc speaker? If not, blacklist the module for it. That way it can't get "0" and your real audio hardware will get "0" (first)
11:09<stuckey>TCW: okay -- how should I do that?
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11:10<TCW>stuckey, the blacklisting?
11:10<gsimmons>stuckey: Install the alsa-base package.
11:10<TCW>gsimmons, how does that help?
11:10<stuckey>gsimmons: installed already
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11:11<gsimmons>TCW, stuckey: snd-pcsp should already be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base-blacklist.conf.
11:11<TCW>do you have a file called /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf?
11:11<stuckey>TCW: yes
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11:12<TCW>stuckey, edit that file, blacklist the module for the device that is listed as "0" according to /proc/asound/cards
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11:12<stuckey>TCW: "pcsp"
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11:13<TCW>stuckey, check lsmod if "pcsp" is loaded... I guess it is named different
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11:13<TCW>like snd_pcsp or snd_pcspeaker or... whatever
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11:14<stuckey>TCW: okay I added "blacklist snd_pcsp" at the bottom of that file
11:14<TCW>stuckey, and you did check that IS the name of the module? You can find hints about that in /proc/asound/
11:15<stuckey>TCW: ?
11:15<twb>Answering my question: /usr/sbin/crontab should be setgid.
11:15<twb>Somehow that broke on my laptop...
11:15<twb>Make that /usr/bin/crontab
11:16<TCW>stuckey, we had that paste already... but where does it tell the name is snd_pcsp?
11:16<stuckey>TCW: lsmod | grep pcsp
11:17<TCW>stuckey, ok
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11:18<TCW>stuckey, so unload all alsa modules, load again... or... what the heck, just reboot
11:18<stuckey>ok rebooting
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11:22<TCW>gsimmons, why should it be already blacklisted?
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11:22<TCW>at least here it is not (and it is not an issue here at all btw.)
11:23<aguitel>how i choose the best mirror ?
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11:23<stuckey>TCW: alsa now has more options in it, but still no sound.
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11:23<stuckey>TCW: at the top I see "Card: HDA Intel
11:24<TCW>stuckey, "alsa now has more options"?! alsa is the whole sound architecture and not a single... whatever
11:24<TCW>stuckey, do you get an error?
11:25<stuckey>TCW: oops, meant to say "alsamixer" now has more bars in it.
11:25<TCW>oh wonder! :)
11:25<stuckey>[AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: No such file or directory
11:26<TCW>stuckey, that is OSS and not alsa
11:26<stuckey>TCW: I don't know where to get an error from.
11:26<TCW>stuckey, that is an error message and that error means you tried to play via OSS and NOT alsa
11:26<aguitel>i am trying to choose the best mirror with "software-sources" but every time it say: no suitable download software was found
11:27<stuckey>TCW: aplay doesn't give an error when I try aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav
11:27<stuckey>It just says "Playing..." and then exits normal.
11:27<TCW>stuckey, ok... did you check the mixer? Are the channels unmuted?
11:27<ml|>speakers on, not muted?
11:28<TCW>stuckey, like... alsamixer... hit "m" when you are at the mixer levels
11:28<TCW>choose with the cursor keys
11:28<ml|>right no MM on the bottom
11:28<stuckey>TCW: How do I make sure it isn't muted?
11:29<stuckey>TCW: I want it to say 00?
11:29<TCW>stuckey, yes
11:29<aguitel>ml|, i am trying to choose the best mirror with "software-sources" but every time it say: no suitable download software was found
11:29<ml|>but higher than 00 ;)
11:29<stuckey>TCW: none are muted -- all say 00
11:29<TCW>aguitel, then you do something wrong. All mirrors should work and not give such error
11:30<aguitel>TCW, like what
11:30<TCW>ml|, no... the buttom "00" is not the same as the numbers above
11:30<twb>Rawr, darcs 2.4 debianized
11:31<TCW>aguitel, "no suitable download software was found" what software are we speking about btw.?
11:31<stuckey>I've got yellow 100's on everything where it is possible
11:31<ml|>TCW: yeah, got them confused ;)
11:31<gsimmons>TCW: It has been that way since alsa-driver 1.0.17.dfsg-4, see Debian bug #495674.
11:31<TCW>stuckey, mind a screenshot?
11:32<aguitel>TCW, "no suitable download server was found " it say
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11:32<TCW>gsimmons, does not apply here and apparently not at stuckeys system. So whatever...
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11:33<TCW>aguitel, what software are we talking about?
11:33<stuckey>TCW: I'm sure that I've got it unmuted.
11:33<TCW>aguitel, and what is "it"?
11:33<aguitel>TCW, i am trying to choose the best mirror
11:34<TCW>stuckey, you were sure that /proc/asound/cards does not exist on your system... go figure ;)
11:34<stuckey>TCW: I'm getting this error when trying to take a screnshot: import: unable to read X window image `': Resource temporarily unavailable @ error/xwindow.c/XImportImage/5018.
11:34<aguitel>TCW, to download upgrade
11:34<TCW>aguitel, you do not need to repeat yourself over and over
11:34<aguitel>TCW, ok
11:35<stuckey>This is really annoying. Does it always take so long to get sound working?
11:35<TCW>stuckey, unrelated to sound... but how did you try to make that screenshot? Any chance you tried it within a su'ed user environment?
11:35<stuckey>TCW: no su
11:35<stuckey>TCW: import screenshot.jpg
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11:36<TCW>stuckey, try "DISPLAY=:0 import -window root /tmp/screenshot.png"
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11:37<freewarephantom>i cant seem to get onto
11:37<ml|>aguitel: try selecting a mirror closest to you
11:37<TCW>stuckey, anyhow... what about gnome or kde mixer? They should be easier to understand
11:37<stuckey>TCW: I just want to get the sound working.
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11:38<pablichu>como t llamas
11:39<bja>pablichu: en la parte superior izquierda te acaba de aparecer una línea que dice bja picala con el mouse
11:39<freewarephantom>yo me omo guiarmo aquas
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11:40<stuckey>TCW: what did I blacklist?
11:40<stuckey>TCW: and where?
11:42<stuckey>Nevermind, found it
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11:45<diggy>i just ran oowriter and got "operating system doesn't support locale "en_us" and the component manager is not available" error
11:46<diggy>could someone give quick hint to run oowriter?
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11:49<cahoot>simply typing 'oowriter' + return doesn't do the trick?
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11:50<rutski>hey guys
11:50<cahoot>err - maybe you better run dpkg-reconfigure locales
11:50<rutski>having a problem helping a friend trying to set up a wireless card
11:50<diggy>The application cannot be started.
11:50<diggy>The component manager is not available.
11:50<rutski>ifconfig -a doesn't show it
11:50<rutski>and it doesn't seem to snow up in lspci output either
11:50<rutski>so we're stuck
11:51<gsimmons>rutski: Which card, specifically? (e.g. brand, model)
11:52<rutski>Belkin, I think
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11:54<rutski>gsimmons: <poke>
11:54<rutski>why does the brand name matter?
11:54<cahoot>pci? usb?
11:54<gsimmons>rutski: Feel free to provide detail at any stage.
11:54<rutski>cahoot: pci card, he says
11:54<rutski>gsimmons: all he knows is it's a belkin
11:55<cahoot>so provide its pciid - lspci -nn|grep -i net
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11:56<cahoot>the pciid is in the form: xxxx:xxxx
11:56<rutski>ah, neat; /me asks him to do that
11:57<cahoot>might also proved the kernel version: uname -r
11:57<tholmith>diggy, ooffice -writer
11:58<rutski>cahoot: no output on lspci -nn | grep -i net
11:58<rutski>or so he says
11:59<diggy>tholmith: i gor same result
11:59<rutski>cahoot: it's a fresh debian install
11:59<diggy>i reconfigured locales also
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12:00<cahoot>rutski: lspci -nn | grep -i net should at least show an ethernet device (unless this is a really barebones thing)
12:00<rutski>cahoot: yeah, that's the weird thing, it doesn't even show the ethernet device
12:01<rutski>though the he one, as shown by ifconfig -a
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12:01<cahoot>rutski: without any specifics on the device there's no good way to start a search for help
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12:02<diggy>is there can be some program to read doc files instead of oofice in standart debian install?
12:03<cahoot>rutski: the brand name (Belkin) doesn't really tell more than it probably was affordabl
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12:03<rutski>cahoot: yeah, we're still looking at the lspci output
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12:03<rutski>it's hard over the phone :-/
12:03<rutski>and he's very new
12:03<joeliasjunior> Hello people, anyone here knows how to recovery a ext3 deleted folder?
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12:04<cahoot>rutski: he's at least sure it's not a device connected via usb (in which case lsusb should give its usbid)
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12:05<bja>rutski: lspci|grep 802.11
12:05<tholmith>diggy, if that is a 'standard' debian install, then you have a problem. writer should work. try abiword
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12:07<rutski>bja: ah, good idea; trying
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12:08<rutski>bja: and I think the card brand is an "atheros"
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12:08<rutski>he says there's an entry in lspci with a brand name of "atheros"
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12:09<bja>rutski: cahoot is the one that can most certainly help you
12:09<rutski>and he knows it's not the wired card, because the wired card shows up as an nvidia geforce built-in, a separate card
12:09<rutski>cahoot: <poke>
12:09<rutski>we're moving along :)
12:09<gsimmons>rutski: The PCI ID for that Atheros device would be useful.
12:09<rutski>gsimmons: is that on the lspci line?
12:10<gsimmons>rutski: lspci -nn | grep -i atheros
12:10<rutski>getting the output now
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12:11<ml|>< cahoot> the pciid is in the form: xxxx:xxxx
12:11<rutski>01:07.0 Ethernet controller [0200]:atheros communication incorported device [168c:001d] (rev 01)
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12:12<rutski>ah, right; the [168c:001d]
12:12<ml|>judd pciid 168c:001d
12:13<judd>[168c:001d] is 'AR5007G Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'ath5k' in sid. See also and the out-of-tree 'ath_pci' module.
12:13<gsimmons>rutski: Horray for details. How that not appear earlier when grepping on 'net' earlier?
12:13<rutski>gsimmons: good question, I asked him the same thing
12:13<rutski>I don't know, this is literally the first time he's used linux
12:13<rutski>and he's really young
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12:15<gsimmons>rutski: Refer to the wiki link above. Assuming your friend is using Lenny, the driver is already present on the system.
12:16<rutski>if it's a fresh install where he just DLed the disk last night, would that be lenny?
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12:17<gsimmons>rutski: If "5.0.4" is returned for the "cat /etc/debian_version" command, yes.
12:17<TiM3hAcK3R>any real hacker here
12:17<rutski>gsimmons: wait... his PCI-ID of 168c:001d isn't listed on
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12:17<TiM3hAcK3R>well wel
12:17<TiM3hAcK3R>im looking for help
12:17<TiM3hAcK3R>anyone here who can help me
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12:18<gsimmons>rutski: You're quite correct, it is supported in post 2.6.26 kernels.
12:18<gsimmons>dpkg: ar2425
12:18<dpkg>The Atheros AR2425/AR5007* PCI-E wireless LAN chipset is supported by the mainline <ath5k> driver since Linux 2.6.27. Lenny users: ask me about <bpo> and install a later kernel image package. For support of the Atheros AR5007UG USB chipset (formerly Zydas ZD1211), ask me about <zd1211rw>.
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12:19<rutski>gsimmons: I'm asking him now about his kernel version; I suspect he might have to install a newer kernel?
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12:20<gsimmons>rutski: That's right. Does your friend have Internet access available on the target system?
12:20<rutski>nope :-/
12:20<rutski>damn, it might be tricky to install a newer kernel then
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12:21<rutski>well... he has windows installed on the target system
12:21<rutski>which has internet access
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12:21<bremner>meh, just usb-key it accross then
12:21<rutski>but no internet access from linux
12:21<ml|>or download and take it to him
12:21<rutski>bremner: heh, yeah
12:21<rutski>ml|: he's in another state
12:21<joeliasjunior> Hello people, anyone here knows how to recovery a ext3 deleted folder?
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12:22<TiM3hAcK3R>anyone can sell me credit card numbers ^\
12:22<ml|>maybe use a livecd that can get his wireless working and download that way?
12:23<dr|z3d>joeliasjunior: apt-cache search undelete
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12:23<rutski>bremner: what exactly is the "it" in "usb-key _it_ across"? :)
12:23<bremner>the kernel deb
12:24<rutski>there wouldn't be any dependency packages?
12:24<bremner>usually not in my experience
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12:24<rutski>ah, cool
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12:24<rutski>he just ran down stairs to do a uname -a
12:24<rutski>2.6.26-2-686 #1 smp utc 2009 1 686 gnu linux
12:25<joeliasjunior>dr|z3d: I found magicrescue, maybe this can help me. But, if anyone have another way, I will be gratefull!
12:25<rivon>how can I remove things like brasero, ekiga, evolution etc. and because of it also gnome-desktop-environment package, but in a way that the other packages stay untouched and not marked for autoremove?
12:26<rutski>judd: bop
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12:26<ml|>rutski: /msg dpkg bpo
12:26<rutski>dpkg: bpo
12:26<dpkg> is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents> <bpo list>
12:27<bja>!tell rutski about selftell
12:27<rutski>oh, heh; thanks :)
12:28<rutski>I can't seem to find a 2.6.27 kernel in the backports search though
12:28<rutski>"Sorry, your search gave no results"
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12:28<adb>, kernels
12:28<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.3); sid: 2.6.32-4-686 (2.6.32-10); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.2-686 (2.6.32-8~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2)
12:28<adb>rutski, ^^
12:29<rutski>ah, so it's a 2.6.32 kernel then
12:29<rutski>"Your keyword was too generic." :-/
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12:30<rutski>but no matter how specific I get, it still says "too generic" :-/
12:30<adb>rutski, just add lenny-backports to sources.list
12:30<rutski>adb: no good, he doesn't have an internet connection
12:30<rkcii>Booting Lenny, I get an error: Invalid PBLK length. Something about ACPI. Fix
12:31<gsimmons>rutski: ^^^
12:31<rutski>found it§ion=all&suite=lenny-backports
12:32<rutski>oh, wah; there are even 2.6.32's, I was looking at 2.6.30's
12:32<adb>rutski, pick kernel from
12:32<ml|>oops yes rutski that was for you
12:33<adb>rutski, forget 2.6.30's ., take the .32
12:33<rutski>indeed, yeah
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12:36<rutski>there we go
12:37<rutski>so supposedly I just have to tell him to install that deb?
12:37<rutski>(he has a USB drive)
12:37<rutski>I wonder if we'll have to tell the system to use the new kernel, or if it'll just work
12:37<rutski>and if the wireless card will "just work" when we boot into the newer kernel
12:37<coolworld>mine wireless worked just fine
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12:38<adb>rutski, need a reboot in the new kernel , after his install
12:38<coolworld>and if your that paranoid about custom biuld your kernel
12:38<rutski>adb: but will it automatically boot into the new kernel, or do we have to fiddle with /boot?
12:39<ml|>rutski: dpkg -i package for him to install; and reboot selecting new kernel
12:39<bremner>rutski: there is a menu on boot
12:39<rutski>ah, it'll add it to the menu, right
12:39<bremner>rutski: usually the default is ok, but better to check
12:39<rutski>indeed, yeah
12:40<rutski>and again, about the wireless card, it might "just work" with the new kernel?
12:40<rutski>I don't quite understand how drivers work in linux/debian
12:40<rutski>are they packaged in with the kernel .deb
12:40<coolworld>thy are built into the kernel...
12:40<rutski>or built into the kernel itself?
12:40<rutski>ah, neat
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12:40<coolworld>The support for drivers from kernel to kenerel dont change all that much
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12:41<rutski>coolworld: the driver we need is in this newer kernel, we checked a while back
12:41<coolworld>like i just updated my keneral today, and im not goig to compile a new one till later on this weekend, but it should owrk just fine.
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12:42<coolworld>rutski, earlier on one of the users here on this channel mentioned something about you having to choose on reboot..
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12:53<alex_>hey folks
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12:53<alex_>I burned debian source disk on dvd however omited the label
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12:54<alex_>how I set main repository so it wont ask for disk labeled so and so?
12:54<alex_>Media change: please insert the disc labeled
12:54<alex_> 'Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.3 _Lenny_ - Official Multi-architecture i386/amd64/source DVD #1 20090905-12:20'
12:54<alex_>thats the message I get
12:55<ml|>remove that line or place # in front
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12:56<alex_>which line?
12:56<alex_>and how to remove it?
12:57-!-mode/#debian [+l 407] by debhelper
12:57<ml|>how many dvd/cdrom lines do you have in your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
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12:58<ml|>maybe pastebin your sources.list
12:58<alex_>one sec I will check
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13:00<xwd>i'm feeling really stupid: what package do i need to install to get make working?
13:00<xwd>nm, it's make
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13:01<kop>xwd: You have make installed?
13:01<alex_># deb-src cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.3 _Lenny_ - Official Multi-architecture i386/amd64/source DVD #1 20090905-12:20]/ lenny main
13:01<alex_># deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.3 _Lenny_ - Official Multi-architecture i386/amd64/source DVD #1 20090905-12:20]/ lenny main
13:01<alex_>deb-src cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.3 _Lenny_ - Official Multi-architecture i386/amd64/source DVD #1 20090905-12:20]/ lenny main
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13:02<alex_>sorry lol
13:02<alex_>for pasting alot
13:02<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
13:02<alex_>so if I delete label bit it shall work?
13:02<alex_>just leave it say at deb-src cdrom:
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13:03<ml|>alex_: maybe someone that uses lenny can help with the rest, to clean up your sources.list
13:03<bja>alex_: do a backup of your file in case you screw things badly, you have something fast to fallback to
13:04<alex_>yes I will back it up
13:04<alex_>I feel its easy enough
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13:04<alex_>will do it now
13:04<alex_>and report
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13:05<coolworld>hrmph, pidentd didnt auth correctly hrmp
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13:07<abejas>I am installing debian and my cdrom (hardware) has some problems and stop reading
13:08<alex_>alot of work
13:08<abejas>I can umount and mount cd and it go ahead
13:08<alex_>now I need to change permissions on sources
13:08<alex_>to actually save changes
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13:09<bja>abejas: Checaste la integridad del disco después de quemarlo?
13:09<bja>abejas: Sorry, Did you check the disk integrity after burning it
13:09<abejas>bja: sí
13:09<abejas>bja: it is a hardware problem
13:09<abejas>but I want to try it anyway
13:10<abejas>I have success before
13:10<bja>Go ahead, but the risks of spending you time worthlessly is great
13:10<kop>abejas: Well, start with the netinstall image. That's smallest and would stress the hardware least.
13:10<adb>!tell abejas -about usb install
13:11<abejas>kop: aha
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13:11<abejas>but can I send a "reset" signal to some process
13:11<abejas>something similar
13:12<kop>abejas: adb is right. There are many other install choices. See the install manual.
13:12<abejas>I think that if the system continue it will take the cd
13:12<abejas>it is a very old laptop (no usb)
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13:13<alex_>E: Malformed line 6 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist)
13:13<alex_>E: The list of sources could not be read.
13:14<alex_>what u mean bja?
13:14<abejas>HD is very old, maybe by ftp but I think that I can hack the instalation mounting and umonting while cd works
13:14<kop>abejas: It will probably pxeboot, or will for sure if you put a nic in it. It being old a good approach is to install the absolute minimum and then go back and install, say, xorg and a window manager and everything else by hand. This gets around low ram problems.
13:14<bja>alex_: Wrong window i am fixing a postfix install
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13:15<abejas>kop: yes, i only want the base installation
13:15<alex_>ok :)
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13:15<alex_>I changed my sources a bit seems to work now
13:15<abejas>what is a nic?
13:15<alex_>as it downloads it from internet repository
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13:16<kop>abejas: Network Interface Card. An ethernet card.
13:16<abejas>oh ok
13:18<TCW><alex_> now I need to change permissions on sources <- *eeeks*
13:18<adb>abejas, do you have other desktop around
13:18<TCW>re btw.
13:19<abejas>adb:yes, but it are Hard-disk-incompatible
13:19<adb>how so ?
13:19<abejas>it is only info
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13:20<abejas>I dont remenber
13:20<abejas>but I cannot cross the HDs
13:20<kop>abejas: If the other box has Unix (or even if not) you could use it to pxeboot. This mostly makes sense if you plan on doing another install sometime, or for easy rescue without having to have a cd, etc.
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13:21<kop>abejas: It can also help to use something like apt-cacher to speed things up.
13:22<alex_>ok it fixed
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13:23<alex_>the list
13:23<Zomb>.oO( apt-cacher-ng )
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13:23<bja>kop: if it is an old piece of hardware with no usb do you think it can pxe boot?
13:23<abejas>(I am reading wikipedia entry about PXE)
13:24<abejas>kernel used is for 486
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13:24<abejas>Pentium 133 Mh
13:25<alex_>why it has to be complex
13:25<kop>abejas: Depends on the nic and the bios (and the bios settings). (Although I've always got a spare nic around to drop in that would work.)
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13:25<alex_>I want to use it and even java install takes ages
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13:26<kop>abejas: Read the debian install manual. You should see something about pxebooting in the bios startup sequence and/or the bios setup screens if you've got support.
13:26<alex_>Errors were encountered while processing:
13:26<alex_> alsa-driver-linuxant
13:26<alex_>any ideas how I fix it?
13:26<abejas>ok, kop
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13:26<EmleyMoor>I have unexpected sound - like a stuck CD - playing. How do I find the cause?
13:27<kop>abejas: Nothing aginst wikipedia, but you'll wind up reading the debian manual anyway.
13:27<kop>EmleyMoor: lsof?
13:27<kop>!tell alex about errors
13:28<alex_>I am trying to install fake root
13:28<alex_>to use java with debby
13:28<abejas>kop: true
13:28*EmleyMoor just killed a surplus npviewer which has fixed it - but lsof might have helped with some idea of what to look for
13:28<alex_>checking for kernel linux/version.h... no
13:28<alex_>The file /include/linux/version.h does not exist.
13:28<alex_>lol madness
13:29<ml|>alex_: to install java... /msg dpkg install java
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13:29<abejas>but I'm going to try first with netinstall
13:29<alex_>ml does not work
13:29<alex_>command is not recognised
13:30<ml|>alex_: ?
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13:30<abejas>I got it in the past with any of both cd anyway
13:30<alex_>I typed it in terminal
13:30<alex_>it does not work
13:31<ml|>alex_: what I said you type in your irc client
13:31<abejas>I'll come back
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13:34<alex_>not working yet
13:34<alex_>that java thingy is persistent
13:34<ml|>dpkg: tell alex_ about install java
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13:35<Snakefactory>hello all..
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13:37<morgan-r>okay. i don't see the magic of installing debian on a mac mini. i've got updated firmware, but once i'm finished with the debian install, a reboot produces a text message that no boot device is found, press any key to continue. just points to the standard wintel installer instructions. what am i missing? some funky partition-ness during setup?
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13:37<alex_>any one knows why crazy fakeroot
13:37<alex_>goes about alsa driver
13:38<alex_>java should work with linux by default
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13:38<alex_>no wonder many folks cant get off silly windows
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13:40<alex_>lol are we all nobs here?
13:40<alex_>I wonder
13:40<alex_>some many folks in da chat
13:40<morgan-r>dude. learn to use a punctuation mark OTHER THAN the enter key.
13:40<ml|>alex_: read what dpkg told you to install java
13:41<abejas>I have seen that I can charge ssh for help me installing debian
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13:41<alex_>it wants me to get browser plugin
13:41<snakefactory>hello everyone..
13:41<abejas>maybe I can use a image in another machine using it like a cd
13:41<alex_>while I want to get proper java
13:41<snakefactory>anyone know anything about mdadm?
13:41<alex_>working via fakeroot
13:42<ml|>alex_: read the whole thing
13:42<snakefactory>during the initial creation of the array
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13:42<snakefactory>can i write to the existing filesystem?
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13:43<alex_>ml ok
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13:47<ml|>just ask again in ~15 minutes
13:47<alex_>Ml thanks for the tip and been patient
13:47<snakefactory>ml|: was that to me?
13:48<ml|>alex_: np, that was meant for snakefactory tho
13:48<alex_>snake what was u question?
13:48<snakefactory>i created a raid5
13:48<alex_>linux is easy once you get used to it :D
13:48<snakefactory>using mdadm
13:48<snakefactory>now it's 4.5TB
13:48<alex_>starting linux after windows its like quit smoking haha luckily I dont smoke
13:48<snakefactory>the initial resync has taken about 16hrs
13:49<ml|>snakefactory: it would help you to use a full sentence to get help and not use enter for that
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13:49<snakefactory>alright. I'll place the entire question in one line.
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13:50<snakefactory>I built a raid5 using 4x1.5TB hdds using mdadm. The intial resync has taken about 16 hours. I'd like to start writing to the filesystem, but i'm not sure if that's best practice or if I should just wait until it completes the resync. What is the general consensus?
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13:53<alex_>i say wait
13:54<ml|>not knowing about mdadm, I would agree
13:54<gdb>best practice is to wait regardless of what raid software you're using
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13:55<gdb>it's perfectly safe to write to it, you'll just make the sync take exponentially longer and it impacts performance
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13:56<xiwang>is anyone here?
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13:56<adb>bah ..
13:57<dpkg>Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane.
13:57<ml|>adb: you scared the person off the channel
13:57<dpkg>saturday is probably Tardsday Eve
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13:58<adb>ml|, ..;)
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13:59<moon>how r u ?
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13:59<moon>any body there
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13:59<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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14:00<snakefactory>hello, moon
14:00<moon>how r u ?
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14:01<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
14:01<xiwang>i am here
14:01<xiwang>nice to meet you
14:01<moon>m 2
14:02<xiwang>where are you from?
14:02<moon>from where
14:02<@Ganneff>this is not a chat channel
14:02<dkr>this is not a social chat channel
14:02<moon> i know
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14:02<@Ganneff>if you do not have a debian question go elsewhere please
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14:02<moon>but this things is good in talk
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14:02<xiwang>yes i agree with moon
14:03<dkr>unfortunately for you, the other 386 of us do not agree with you
14:03<dkr>now go away
14:03<xiwang>i think this is a way to communicate.
14:03<moon>ok sorry about that
14:03<amphi>xiwang: this channel is for debian support
14:03<moon>what i have to do to talk with some one ?
14:03<themill>moon: /join #moocows
14:04<xiwang>ok, i see , just for debian support
14:04<snakefactory>you know.. i have never undersoond how someone gets into a channel like this when looking to chat with someone... i mean..what process actually brings them into the channel.. anyhoo
14:05<xiwang>i am sorry , this is my first time to use xchat
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14:05<snakefactory>what is your question moon
14:06<adb>snakefactory, missed the '?' ..
14:06<moon>its about securit my lan and wan
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14:06<snakefactory>adb, Yes, it seems that I did.
14:07<amphi>xiwang: are you running debian?
14:07<dkr>snakefactory: you can write to it before sync is complete
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14:07<xiwang>adb, it seems that you should setup you xchat's font type.
14:07<xiwang>so you can see the missing '?' .
14:07<snakefactory>dkr: Thank you for your help.
14:08<alex_>Ml I have followed instructions
14:08<adb>xiwang, thanks
14:08<alex_>now its the same message
14:08<alex_>Errors were encountered while processing:
14:08<alex_> alsa-driver-linuxant
14:08<alex_>why java wants stupid asla driver I dont know
14:09<ml|>me either
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14:09<alex_>ml anywhere else I can find out
14:09<alex_>about it?
14:09<themill>alex_: without a pastebin of the entire output, nor do we.
14:10<xiwang>everyone , i have a trouble with the irc, because this is my first time to use it. so, i want to know how can i send a private message to someone?
14:10<moon>so this room allowed for what
14:10<themill>dpkg: tell xiwang about irc primer
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14:10<ml|>moon: debian support only
14:11<xiwang>thank you for your help
14:11<alex_>xiwant click on person name with a cursos
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14:11<alex_>then left mouse button and choose open dialog window :P
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14:11<alex_>right mouse button
14:12<themill>alex_: umm... "aptitude install openjdk-6-jre" did that?
14:12<ml|>alex_: what was the command you used for that pastebin?
14:12<bja>!tell themill about irc-tuto-es
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14:12<themill>bja: yeah, saw that. Thanks.
14:13<xiwang>i got it ,thanks alex_
14:13<alex_>thats the paste bin from terminal
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14:13<alex_>themill and ml yes
14:13<alex_>I used apt-get install
14:14<alex_>and the package name as in dpkg info
14:14<themill>alex_: you have a previous unfinished installation of your kernel package
14:14<alex_>themill maybe it happen when I tried to install fakeroot
14:14<alex_>how I can finish it?
14:14<themill>do you actually need alsa-driver-linuxant?
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14:15<alex_>alsa-driver is that for modem or sound?
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14:15<themill>yes, and not a debian package that I can find either.
14:16<alex_>yes it seems this driver allows sounds
14:16<alex_>intel hda
14:16<alex_>sound card
14:16<moon>how can i config screen resulation
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14:17<alex_>ooo that sound card driver is kernel level API
14:17<alex_>I see
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14:18<moon>how can i config screen resoluation
14:18<alex_>themill so I need somehow to finish kernel install?
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14:20<alex_>hmm lol
14:21<ml|>alex_: is that the kernel you are currently using?
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14:21<alex_>ml yes
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14:22<alex_>and thanks for trying to help
14:22<alex_>i appreciate it
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14:24<alex_>now any time I install new package that involves building new kernel modules
14:24<alex_>conexant comes
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14:25<moon>code ??
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14:27<moon>who knows windows powershell ??
14:27<bremner>!tell moon -about ot
14:28<amphi>moon: xrandr
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14:30<moon>i choose
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14:31<alex_> 0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
14:31<alex_> HDA Intel at 0xefebc000 irq 21
14:31<alex_>seems to work fine
14:32<moon>what i write to chosse screen
14:32<moon>after randr
14:33<alex_>anyone got ideas how I deal with this conexant driver?
14:34<alex_>even some wild ideas
14:34<alex_>I am willing to try
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14:35<alex_>ok if anyone kindly wished to share some ideas in near future please leave them in pm
14:35<alex_>I am going to shop
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14:36<amphi>moon: there's also grandr and other GUI front ends to xrandr
14:37<moon>grandr not installed can i install ??
14:37<amphi>aptitude install grandr
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14:41<moon>i got it
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14:41<moon>and i changed it
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14:42<moon> changed it
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14:56<moon>is centos better of redhat or redhad better cause the more things
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14:57<amphi>moon: this is #debian - how would we know? ;)
14:57<bja>or care
14:58<amphi>that too
14:58<amphi>moon: #linux on might be a place to ask
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15:00<ml|>!ubuntu-es miriam
15:00<dpkg>miriam: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en Ahi recibira mas soporte.
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15:01<bja>miriam: en la pantalla del lado izquierdo esta una línea que dice bja pica con el boton izquierdo del mouse ahí
15:01<bja>claudia: en la pantalla del lado izquierdo esta una línea que dice bja pica con el boton izquierdo del mouse ahí
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15:02<claudia>con quien estoy hablando
15:02<bja>con bja
15:02<dkr>maybe there is some spanish version of ubuntu that has a default connection to this channel for some strange reason
15:03<bja>Por favor hazme caso y pica con el boton izquierdo en la parte superior izquierda de tu pantalla, donde aparece bja
15:03<miriam>de que colegio sois?
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15:04<dpkg>Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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15:04<miriam>de que solegio sois?
15:04-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*miriam@*] by Ganneff
15:05<bja>Thx Ganneff
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15:05<bja>miriam: Lee con atencion en la parte del lado izquierdo hay una línea que marca como bja, por favor pica con el mouse ahí, en este canal ya no vas a poder hablar mas
15:05<Hakk1tus_>can anyone help me with remote desktop things?
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15:06<dkr>Hakk1tus_: are you trying to use vnc?
15:07<Hakk1tus_>i currently use nx nomachine and connection works well but i can't use any dropdown menus or application shortcuts
15:08<Hakk1tus_>but all other options works
15:08<Hakk1tus_>like desktop icons
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15:09<Hakk1tus_>dkr: do you have any good ideas to make that happend with vnc?
15:09<ml|>some say nx is a great solution for that
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15:09<ml|>maybe something you need to setup?
15:10<Hakk1tus_>but now i made clean install of debian lenny and after installed nx it didn't work that well anymore. :D
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15:11<bja>Ganneff: miriam is undercontrol
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15:12<ml|>Hakk1tus_: maybe you missed something this time around?
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15:12<Hakk1tus_>on basic settings everything should work
15:12<Hakk1tus_>thats what they are saying on their website
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15:13<ml|>!win ChanServ
15:13<dpkg>Congratulations, ChanServ! You have won a lifetime supply of spam!
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15:14<bja>ops Chanserv is spamming
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15:21<jhutchins_lt>Hakk1tus_: I think it's something like a stuck script.
15:21<jhutchins_lt>Hakk1tus_: Format the partition, run the installer.
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15:37<mercutio22>my apps are taking a long time to load and strace shows dolphin and perhaps other apps are having trouble connecting to the localhost ip address. Maybe there's something wrong with that "hosts" file. Where was it located?
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15:47<alex_>The file /include/linux/version.h does not exist.
15:47<alex_>any ideas how i can fix it?
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15:47<alex_>can I just rebuilt the kernel somehow?
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15:48<adb>missing linux-headers ?
15:48<avu>alex_, you may just need to install the -headers package for your kernel
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15:48<avu>or supply the right -I option to gcc
15:49<alex_>avu how do I install the headers package?
15:49<avu>alex_, if you're building a module, perhaps consider using module-assistant, it takes care of all that for you
15:49<alex_>abd seems like it
15:49<avu>alex_, just like you install any other package
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15:50<alex_>asla driver linuxant obstructs new software installs and this error message is from driver log
15:51<jerryclunsford>Does anyone know if the bug in Bastille that caused the error DB5.0 not support is resolved. I went to debian's ftp server and did not find the version mentioned on their bug page.
15:53<alex_>avu I have tried its not working yet
15:53<ml|>jerryclunsford: checked bts?
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15:54<jerryclunsford>Don't Know what bts is
15:54<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges
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15:55<alex_>or how do I supply the right -I option to gcc
15:56<alex_>how are you miriam?
15:57<miriam>mandame un privado
15:57<amphi>alex_: did you look at the error log?
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15:57<alex_>one sec I will post it
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15:59<alex_>error always same
15:59<alex_>no matter what I wish to install today
15:59<avu>alex_, I said install the -headers package for your kernel, not linux-libc-dev
15:59<alex_>avu yes I misunderstood
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16:00<miriam>ijooo,aleex! mandame un privadoo
16:00<alex_>whats the name for this package?
16:00<avu>!tell alex_ about search
16:00<alex_>miriam yes then pm me
16:01<miriam>yo nose
16:01<amphi>miriam: /query alex_
16:02<bja>miriam: En que quedamos?
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16:08<alex_>avu i done search
16:08<alex_>via aptitude
16:08<alex_>when I try to install headers
16:08<alex_>E: alsa-driver-linuxant: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
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16:09<alex_>I have tried apt-get -f install same result
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16:10<alex_>it must be something really simple
16:10<alex_>I am missing
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16:11<ml|>you can try downloading the headers package and install manually
16:11<ml|>alex_: ^
16:11<alex_>which package then?
16:12<alex_>there are many
16:12<ml|>uname -r
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16:13<ml|>and search for the same version for headers package
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16:20<miriam>bod esponja,lalalalrlalala
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16:20<miriam>boes boes esponja,lalallalaalalralala
16:20<alex_>Run 'make oldconfig && make prepare' on kernel src to fix it.
16:21<alex_>what is kernel src?
16:22<alex_>config.status: WARNING: seems to ignore the --datarootdir setting
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16:23<ml|>alex_: yes src=...
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16:23<alex_>ml any ideas how I can run this command correctly
16:24<alex_>the syntax?
16:24<ml|>what are you trying to do?
16:24<alex_>to install headers
16:24<alex_>and its not working
16:25<alex_>alsa gives error type 2
16:25<ml|>just download the .deb that matches your kernel
16:25<alex_>you think if I do it by hand it will work?
16:26<miriam>alguien que tenga 12 años?
16:26<ml|>miriam: no
16:27<ml|>miriam: /server then /join #ubuntu-es
16:28<miriam>ya lo se pesaoos
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16:28<miriam>yo hablo por donde me de la gaaana
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16:28<ml|>!ops miriam
16:28<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: ml| complains about: miriam
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16:29<test>debian ?
16:29<test>- -, what?
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16:32<alex_>ml dpkg -i
16:32<ml|>to install yes
16:32<azeem_>test: do you have a Debian question?
16:33<alex_>is that the command to install deb via terminal?
16:33<azeem_>weasel: were you confusing channels?
16:33<weasel>azeem_: no
16:33<azeem_>I see
16:33<weasel>azeem_: "ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer"
16:33<azeem_>weasel: oh right, I forgot you still subscribe to that
16:33<alex_>weasel do u know alot about kernels?
16:34<alex_>I got some silly error here
16:34<weasel>azeem_: how droll.
16:34<alex_>no modules is built cause of some silly linuxant driver
16:34<alex_>this linus is really crazy soft
16:35<alex_>it probably takes a year before you can even use it
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16:35<alex_>how long it took you guys to learn some basics?
16:36<alex_>all this hype about how great linux is haha
16:36<alex_>what a bull
16:36<bremner>!tell alex_ -about ot
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16:37<alex_>bremner fair enough yet now only 2-3 people talking here
16:37<alex_>and debian questions hardly get answered
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16:38<alex_>hey cote
16:38<alex_>yes windows might be crap yet its very easy to use
16:38<weasel>alex_: take your ranting some place else. thanks.
16:38<Cote>me conocen?
16:38<alex_>weasel thin skin?
16:38<Cote>im spanish
16:39<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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16:39<Cote>join/ #<debian-es>
16:40<alex_>cote use / before join
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16:41<alex_>ok folks since you cant help with debian questions maybe you know some other room
16:41<alex_>where i could ask few debian questions
16:42<azeem_>alex_: if you don't have any Debian questions, please either keep quiet or leave
16:42<alex_>azeem I have
16:42<alex_>debian questions
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16:42<azeem_>then ask them, and don't start a meta-discussion about them
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16:43<alex_>i got lenny installed and now when I try to install any extra deb package via apt-get aptitude or via dpkg - i I get error message linked to dpkg -i
16:43<alex_>linked to alsa
16:43<alex_>I am trying to fix it
16:44<azeem_>pastebin the whole message
16:44<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
16:44<weasel>alsa-driver-linuxant is not a package in debian.
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16:45<alex_>weasel then maybe you suggest a replacement package for my laptop sound card instead of alsa
16:45<azeem_>alex_: that's not aptitude or dpkg error
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16:45<alex_>alsa seems to link itself to kernel api
16:46<alex_>and it creates problems
16:46<alex_>azeem yes I see maybe I need replacement driver
16:46<alex_>I dont know alot about linux
16:47<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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16:47<adb>alex_, ^^
16:47<ml|>alex_: pastebin the correct error if you want help
16:48<weasel>you probably should start reading
16:48<weasel>and then come back and paste something that also includes the command you were trying to run.
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16:48<alex_>weasel fair remark :)
16:48<TCW>alex_, and what is your _actual_ problem? What is linuxant-alsa driver for?
16:49<alex_>its for sound card
16:49<alex_>on conexant chipset
16:49<weasel>alex_: if you install lenny's amsn it might not be totally crazy to try it with a lenny kernel.
16:49<weasel>which you are not running.
16:49<TCW>alex_, imho strange soundcard... sure about it?
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16:50<alex_>TCW yes its dell latitude 620 built in sound card
16:50<alex_>weasel yes I understand I installed that kernel so I run that conexant driver
16:51<alex_>on lenny
16:51<alex_>otherwise it was refusing to run
16:51<ml|>weasel: that's not a lenny bpo kernel?
16:51<weasel>ml|: lenny-bpo is not lenny.
16:51<TCW>alex_, whatever dell did there... I just never heard of a soundcard chip from conexant, as they usually build modem chips.
16:52<alex_>usually its modems\
16:52<TCW>oh, and TV chips
16:52<alex_>I got sound card with it haha
16:53<ml|>weasel: yes, but bpo is bad in this case for some reason or ever? I thought bpo kernels where fine?
16:53<kevin>I have a debian unstable on my laptop. I can't clic with the touchpad, only with its button. How do I fix that ?
16:53<alex_>so did I lol
16:54<alex_>I though bpo is fine
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16:55<weasel>ml|: think of the context.
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16:55<weasel>ml|: he tries to compile stuff against the installed kernel. the stuff he tries to built is severely out of touch with his kernel version.
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16:56<alex_>weasel whats the best idea then?
16:56<ml|>weasel: ok, yes for that makes sense and for just using aptitude install?
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16:56<weasel>complain to whoever gave you the alsa-driver-linuxant package
16:56<alex_>I see
16:56<alex_>and u right
16:56<weasel>it's you. not u.
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16:57<alex_>I guess dell done it on purpose to install such sound card
16:57<TCW>kevin, congrats....
16:57<TCW>kevin, gsynaptics installed?
16:57<alex_>yes and it`s and you are right :)
16:58<ml|>alex_: isn't this a fresh install? why would you have that installed anyways?
16:58<alex_>ml it is fresh install
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16:58<alex_>I installed that alsa so I can use sound card
16:58<alex_>which otherwise would not work
16:58<moon>i have big problem
16:59<moon>i cant watch clips from youtube
16:59<alex_>if heard newer lenny got alsa compatible drivers
16:59<alex_>by default
16:59<moon>he told me need for adobe flash
16:59<alex_>maybe I will need to reinstall the whole lot
16:59<ml|>alex_: there is no alsa-driver-linuxant package in debian that I can see
16:59<kevin>TCW: anything specific to kde ?
16:59<moon>and i dont know what kind of flash
17:00<moon>i mean i cant find my system on list
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17:00<ml|>moon: lenny?
17:00<kevin>TCW: I have none of them installed for the moment
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17:00<TCW>kevin, maybe... but I never use KDE (at least not on laptops) so I have absolutely no definitive answer... but I guess ksynaptics :)
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17:00<moon>can i download adobe flash from shell
17:01<alex_>yes you right I must of installed some custom stuff
17:01<alex_>from the manufacturer site
17:01<alex_>I will try something
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17:01<TCW>kevin, anhow... since some newer xorg releases, touchpads default to tapping = off (braindead folks if you ask me) so you need a tool to re-enable it. May be possible with some xorg settings as well
17:02<moon>or what vision i can use from list
17:02<dr|z3d>sudo aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree
17:02<ml|>moon: no /msg dpkg adobe flash
17:02<Wilduck>When I install a package with aptitude, how can I find out what command runs that program from terminal?
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17:02<weasel>Lanz-Away: please turn that off
17:03<weasel>Wilduck: dpkg -L <package> gives you the contents of an installed package
17:03<TCW>Wilduck, one would be... dpkg -L <package>|grep bin :)
17:03<moon>the list is
17:04<moon>yum or apt or rpm or deb
17:04<moon>for linux adobe flash
17:04<TCW>moon, do you read what folks write to you here?
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17:06<TCW>moon, hello?
17:06<moon>yes sorry
17:07<TCW>moon, yes sorry what?
17:07<moon>what can i write in shell
17:08<TCW>moon, "I am to dumb to read" for a start... but I guess that will not help with your flash problem... I strongly suggest you read what the folks here say to you and ask if you do not understand what they say but DON'T ignore what they say!
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17:18<alex_>mlm ok I restarted from different kernel
17:18<alex_>and it works now
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17:35<ml|>!congratulate alex_
17:35<dpkg>Nice one alex_, you did it!
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17:36<coolworld>Is it possible to remote desktop from debian to a windows 7 machine ?
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17:37<Hydroxide>coolworld: yes
17:37<coolworld>what packages do i need to install ?
17:37<Hydroxide>coolworld: the rdesktop package is one common way
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17:38<alex_>mL :D
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17:39<coolworld>ahh, guess i just have to setup the remote desktop on windows 7
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17:48<MrShad0wX>Hi all
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17:48<MrShad0wX>How can I change default resolution in xorg?
17:50<adb>MrShad0wX, in gnome System> Preferences> Screen Resolution
17:50<MrShad0wX>i have lxde
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17:50<MrShad0wX>and I can change resolution
17:50<MrShad0wX>but i want to change default resolution
17:51<MrShad0wX>which is while starting x session
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17:53<TCW>MrShad0wX, you still own a crt?
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17:54<TCW>MrShad0wX, then I guess the only way is through xorg.conf settings
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17:55<MrShad0wX>what must I write in xorg.conf?
17:55<MrShad0wX>there is not much
17:55<MrShad0wX>and nothing about default settings
17:55<adb>MrShad0wX, xrandr grandr
17:55<TCW>MrShad0wX, paste your xorg.conf to, I will try to add the necessary stuff
17:56<TCW>adb, he said he knows how to change resolution, but he wants a default resolution as soon as X starts
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17:57<TCW>MrShad0wX, or... would it be enough to have the resolution changed automatically?
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17:58<TCW>MrShad0wX, what did you not understand there? :)
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18:01<nexus_lamp>buona sera
18:01<MrShad0wX>I'm from poland :p
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18:02<MrShad0wX>can you change that default resolution?
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18:03<TCW>MrShad0wX, I did ask a question, would you mind answering it?
18:04<TCW>MrShad0wX, in other words: yes I know how to do it, but it would be MUCH easier if it is enough for you that the resolution is changed during X start automatically
18:05<TCW>MrShad0wX, if so... then just put a "script" in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/NNblabla (I have one as 45xrandr) that does the setting
18:06<MrShad0wX>ok, thx
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18:16<moon>where i can open adobe flash i can open it by what
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18:16<TCW>moon, huh?
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18:21<moon>huh ?
18:21<ml|>moon: didn't the channel already help you with that?
18:22<moon>okk ok
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18:37<free>koé geral
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18:37<free>alguem nesse caô
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18:38<themill>!ubuntu-br free
18:38<dpkg>free: Este canal e para suportar o Debian em Ingles. Por favor, /server depois /join #ubuntu-br.
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18:47<TCW>themill, how did you know he was on ubuntu?
18:48<ml|>/ctcp nick version
18:48<TCW>how intrusive!
18:48<ml|>won't show always
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18:50<ml|>well, better to send people to the correct channel
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18:52<bremner>I'm getting about 1M/s write speed with the latest squeeze ntfs-3g to an external usb harddrive. Is this typical (bad) perfornance, or is there something wrong with the drive?
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18:52<TCW>bremner, sounds like usb1.1
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18:53<TCW>bremner, I get the max usb2 (which is slow 25-28MB/s) for all filesystems, including ntfs with ntfs-3g
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18:55<zophy>i installed oopera and it set itself as the default browser and it can't find the java docs so it sucks, how do i set firefox as the default browser ?
18:55<bremner>TCW: yeah, that's it. I was just on my way back to say I found the problem. Thanks. Now if only I could figure out why it is 1.1
18:56<moon>i got it :))
18:56<Torsten_W>zophy, update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
18:56<moon>any one want know how ?
18:57<zophy>Torsten_W, tnx
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19:01<shweppsie>hmm I'm failing at compiling nvidia drivers
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19:02<shweppsie>running the line I think is failing with debug doesn't show the module being compiled.
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19:02<petemc>zophy: tried using file://path/to/java/docs ?
19:02<ml|>shweppsie: /msg dpkg nvidia squeeze should work for you
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19:03<moon>do you know how to download adobe flash from shell ???
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19:04<bluedrops>moon: update-flashplugin-nonfree
19:04<TCW>moon, what is wrong with you? Don't you understand me / us?
19:04<shweppsie>ml|: I need to pull packages from sid?
19:04<ml|>yes, follow the instructions correctly for all
19:05<TCW>moon, or do you just not have any idea how IRC / chatting works?
19:08<ml|>shweppsie: also update before trying to use the new kernel in testing
19:08<moon>update-flashplugin-nonfree is not working
19:08<shweppsie>ml|: yup will do.
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19:08<ml|>before trying nvidia stuff too
19:09<moon>so what can i do i try this wget
19:09<moon>not working too
19:09<ml|>moon: no sheesh
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19:10<bluedrops>moon: you have to install flashplugin-nonfree deb first. Then run update... as root or with sudo.
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19:11<ml|>he's being told now several times
19:11<moon>i realy write it
19:11<moon>but he told me no such file
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19:12<themill>moon: are you even running Debian?
19:12<ml|>wow, hah
19:13<themill>moon: please go to #ubuntu on
19:13<moon> so no one knows here ?
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19:13<ml|>should had done a version on him long ago ;(
19:13<themill>moon: it's a different package with a different procedure. please go to #ubuntu on
19:13<moon>ok thanks too much
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19:14<ml|>!beer themill
19:14*dpkg pulls out a fine Gulden Drak for themill
19:15<zophy>!beer zophy
19:15*dpkg deftly decants a fine Bornem Tripple for zophy
19:15<themill>nom nom
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19:17<k-man>how do i setup xorg after installing it in testing
19:18<ml|>there is no need if it works fine
19:19<k-man>mil, after staring gdm, my monitor says out of range
19:19<k-man>but the ultimate goal is to get tv-out working on my tv for mythtv
19:21<ml|>k-man: /msg dpkg Xstrikeforce should help with that
19:21<k-man>thanks mil
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19:22<ml|>k-man: np, use tab-completion to make things easier on you
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19:29<k-man>oh - hehe, sorr ml|
19:30<ml|>helps in a terminal also :)
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19:35<k-man>ml|: yeah, thanks
19:35<k-man>so i get this error in dmesg: radeon_cp: Failed to load firmware "radeon/R520_cp.bin", [drm:radeon_do_init_cp] *ERROR* Failed to load firmware!
19:37<TCW>k-man, is the firmware file there?
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19:38<ml|>k-man: /msg dpkg radeon and radeon firmware ; should help untill someone knows about radeon comes along
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19:43<rutski>hi all
19:43<rutski>a friend of mine is having a problem getting his wireless card an IP
19:43<rutski>he says the Gnome GUI for network config just hangs
19:43<rutski>how would one do it via the command line?
19:43<shweppsie>ml|: YUS WORKING NVIDIA DRIVERS!!!! thank you.
19:44<ml|>!congratulate shweppsie
19:44<dpkg>Hugs & Puppies shweppsie, you did it!
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19:45<ml|>rutski: try with wicd /msg dpkg wicd
19:46<rutski>oh, heh; I just asked him if he typed in his wireless network's password in the Gnome gui
19:46<rutski>he said no :-p
19:46<rutski>I wonder why it didn't prompt
19:46<rutski>well if it didn't prompt, that's an issue in itself
19:46<ml|>shweppsie: you will need to repeat some steps on new kernel installs
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19:47<shweppsie>ml|: yer that's fine. I'm used to that. Just couldn't get the ones in testing to compile
19:48<ml|>it's a known problem, it is testing after all ;)
19:48<shweppsie>and I'm not familiar with the process involved to compile a module against the current kernel.
19:48<shweppsie>ml|: yer, it is kinda strange.
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19:50<ml|>shweppsie: that is basically what you did with module-assistant
19:51<shweppsie>Yer but when module assistant failed I tried to follow the process through manually and didn't really know what it was doing.
19:51<sney>I wonder why the 190.53 nvidia source isn't in squeeze yet
19:51<ml|>yeah it's being a while iirc
19:51<sney>we've had a couple kernels roll down the hill already but no nvidia
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19:54<rutski>ml|: could I expect his system to have iwconfig?
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19:55<sney>iwconfig is part of wireless-tools but I think the laptop task pulls that in
19:55<rutski>sney: his is a desktop machine
19:56<sney>then you can't assume it to be there
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19:56<ml|>it is optional
19:57<rutski>basically, I need to know how to set the wireless card's network name
19:57<sney>it has almost no dependencies, though, so installing it without a network connection is easy with a removable disk of some sort
19:57<rutski>and the wireless password
19:57<sney>wireless password- is that wpa?
19:57<rutski>not sure what he's using
19:58<rutski>and I'm not too sharp on wireless lingo
19:58<sney>for wpa you need the wpasupplicant package
19:58<rutski>and that would be not part of the CD1 standard install?
19:58<ml|>sney: shouldn't wicd do the trick for wireless needs?
19:58<sney>ml|: yeah, but wicd isn't in lenny
19:59<sney>wpasupplicant and wireless-tools should both be on cd1
19:59<sney>ditto n-m
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19:59<ml|>< ml|> rutski: try with wicd /msg dpkg wicd; but sney said it's a no go
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20:00<ml|>ah, but it is in bpo :)
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20:00<sney>therefore not on cd1
20:00<sney>can't get to bpo without a network connection ml|
20:01<ml|>sney: yes, I know rutski has been here for a while now, I meant for later use
20:01<rutski>so then he _does_ have everything necessary already there
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20:02<sney>rutski: can't guarantee it but it's very likely.
20:02<sney>I've only seen a couple systems that needed something not on CD1, and it was a simple process to get them up and running anyway
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20:03<rutski>I'm still very puzzled as to why the Gnome "Network Settings" doesn't even _show_ his wireless card
20:03<rutski>when ifconfig -a does indeed prove that it's there
20:04<sney>wifi is a tricky one because of how new some controllers are and the difficulties with dealing with manufacturers that won't share hardware specs
20:04<ml|>most don't use nm for those reasons
20:04<sney>and yes, network-manager is finicky and annoying.
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20:07<aguitel>how i know the nvidia driver i need to install?
20:07<moon>thats it
20:07<moon>wget && tar xzf install_flash_player_10_linux.tar.gz && cp ~/.mozilla/plugins
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20:07<moon>what i was look for
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20:08<sney>aguitel: what graphics card do you have?
20:08<ml|>moon: /server and /join #ubuntu
20:08<aguitel>sney, nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] (rev a1)
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20:09<sney>aguitel: just the regular nvidia one, the -legacy drivers are for much older models
20:09<moon>iam with ubuntu now
20:09<aguitel>sney, what is "regular" ?
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20:09<sney>aguitel: you're running lenny, correct?
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20:10<aguitel>sney, squeeze
20:10<ml|>moon: good :) only debian talk here
20:10<moon>is debian good ????
20:10<aguitel>moon, better than ubuntu
20:10<dr|z3d>is chocolate good?
20:11<moon>but iam not use ubuntu
20:11<Vampire>moon, depends on your liking
20:11<Vampire>For desktop systems I prefer Ubuntu
20:11<Vampire>For server systems debian
20:11<dr|z3d>if you want easy no brainer setups, then ubuntu is the way to go; if you prefer to hand tweak stuff, then debian.
20:12<moon>yes u right
20:12<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
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20:13<moon>so what the better of ubuntu in debian
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20:13<moon>if i waant to try it
20:13<aguitel>sney, and my answer
20:13<dr|z3d>ubuntu tries to do it all for you, and hides some of the guts of the system, if you like.
20:14<dr|z3d>so, you get a more windows out of box experience.
20:14<dr|z3d>most stuff just works (tm).
20:14<sney>aguitel: it looks like your card isn't supported by the main nvidia squeeze driver, so you'll need one of the legacy packages. the wiki is outdated, I'm doing some digging.
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20:14<aguitel>sney, ok
20:14<ml|>sney: sid package does not support that card?
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20:14<sney>ml|: nope, not on the list
20:15<sney>(hit 'supported products')
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20:15<aguitel>ml|, sney :
20:15<sney>aguitel: the package currently in squeeze is broken and you have to use the 190.53 from sid.
20:16<ml|>sney: I see thanks, so close fx5500
20:16<aguitel>sney, if i try to install from nvidia site?
20:17<sney>aguitel: it may work, but it's not officially supported in #debian so we can't help you if we break it.
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20:17<aguitel>sney, ok
20:17<ml|>that will work, but tends to break your system in the long run
20:17<ml|>and sney said :)
20:18<aguitel>ml|, why "long run" you say
20:18<ml|>aguitel: of you ever want to use the debian way instead
20:18<sney>aguitel: anyway, it looks like you'll just need to follow the standard nvidia squeeze procedure, then m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx-source
20:18<sney>aguitel: the nvidia installer can also cause issues with system upgrades.
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20:20<aguitel>sney, anyway if i install with "debianway" i need to make some step in case the kernel change
20:20<ml|>sney: will that build the module? isn't the mix needed?
20:20<sney>ml|: hence the 'nvidia squeeze procedure'
20:20<sney>!nvidia squeeze
20:20<dpkg>non-free nvidia+squeeze guide: (a) aptitude upgrade ; aptitude full-upgrade (ensure you are running the current kernel; /msg judd kernels) (b) create a testing/unstable mix (ask me about <tum>) (c) aptitude install module-assistant; aptitude -R -t sid install nvidia-kernel-source; m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia && aptitude -t sid install nvidia-glx. (d) Configure xorg.conf as per
20:21<sney>so follow that to step b, then edit the rest accordingly
20:21<ml|>sney: oops I misse that, but saw nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx-source
20:21<sney>ml|: yeah, the 173xx package isn't even in squeeze
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20:22<sney>aguitel: in case of a kernel upgrade, you'll just need to run one of the commands again
20:22<sney>pretty painless.
20:23<ml|>aguitel: if you follow that to the 't' you'll be fine
20:23<sney>aguitel: and if you're unsure about anything, better to ask than break something
20:24<ml|>aguitel: make sure to use the <tum> procedure exactly
20:24<ml|>well all of them, but that one is most important
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21:28<eva73>hay alguien que hable mi idioma
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22:27<unlisted>Hello #debian. My old crt monitor is failing. Anyone have any advice on purchasing an lcd monitor for my old desktop, or a favourite model around 19- 20" as I have never used one before??
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22:28<ml|>unlisted: dells are nice
22:29<unlisted>The machine here is ancient, but it still works well for what I do with it
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22:30<unlisted>thanks ml. are there any xorg issues with the dell lcd's?
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22:31<ml|>there should none with a monitor
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22:32<unlisted>thanks. built this pc in 2003 and it just worked. didn't have to fool around with it, so consequently stopped experimenting with hardware.
22:33<unlisted>almost forgot how to reinstall linux and really did forget how to on openbsd on other partition
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22:37<plugwash>what severity should missing manpage bugs be filed at?
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22:38<plugwash>I initially thought serious because it's a policy violation but when I checked policy it only seems to say should not must
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22:42<gsimmons>plugwash: Normal, AFAIK. See also
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23:05<mercutio22>I can't see other pcs on my samba network. Can you guys help me find out whats wrong?
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23:29<k-man>how do i tell what port my xorg display is on? (ie for export DISPLAY=:0 or whatever)
23:29<AIntel>Question: Whats a good dvd player for debian?
23:29<k-man>AIntel: vlc? mplayer?
23:29<k-man>AIntel: or mythtv maybe?
23:30<AIntel>k-man: humm... what ever works best.
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23:31<k-man>AIntel: well, afaik, they all work well, so its a matter of taste as to what you want featurewise i guess
23:31<k-man>AIntel: try them out
23:32<AIntel>k-man: Do i do a apt-get install mplayer
23:32<adb>AIntel, aptitude install mplayer vlc
23:33<k-man>AIntel: yeah - mplayer is command line based - i think there is a graphical front end for it but i forget the name
23:35<AIntel>okay. thanks
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