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---Logopened Sun Mar 28 00:00:08 2010
00:00<stsm>sney, cool, i used to have a mythtv mediaserver :)
00:00<stsm>i should reinstall it sometime..
00:00<stsm>but only 80GB HDD :(
00:01<stsm>sney, but you are fairly sure its possibel at least?
00:01<stsm>that would be good news / giving me hope :)
00:01<sney>yep, static binaries were in the realm of possibility when I was going x86-ppc-sparc
00:02<stsm>cool :)
00:02<stsm>i hope my toochain will work out then
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00:03<stsm>i kindof like how it works now, it does its job fine, so it would be perfect ot just compile for it whatever it needs :D
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00:03<stsm>whatever i need i mean
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00:04<stsm>i got busybox, dropbear and iwconfig (and the toolchain) from someone else's website, all from openwrt though, and then i compiled curl and... python myself :D
00:05<stsm>so hungry for more :p
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00:07<stsm>my PDA ran debian though :p untill its screen got cracked :(
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00:10<clin>When executing curl, what is the correct format for passing -z?
00:10<clin>I pass in "Fri, 26 Mar 2010 02:40:41 GMT"
00:10<clin>but curl complains Warning: Illegal date format for -z/--timecond (and not a file name).
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00:11<clin>I try several alternative, but same result
00:11<sney>maybe it wants the output of date +%s
00:13<clin>I know what goes wrong.
00:13<clin>I miss the dash ahead of the date.
00:13<clin>sney: thank you.
00:13<clin>it should pass in something like -yesterday.
00:13<clin>not yesterday only
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00:22<stsm>sney, happen to know the best way of saying it should compile static binaries? with emdebuild
00:22<sney>no idea sorry
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00:22<stsm>or is it enoug hto just set $LDFLAGS=-static and CFLAGS=-static ?
00:23*sney shrug
00:23<stsm>lol why?
00:23<sney>do you know when gcc 2.95 was?
00:23<stsm>lol no
00:24<sney>that is the last time I had any current cross compile knowledge
00:24<stsm>lol no idea is a valid answer :p i didnt complain
00:25<stsm>i figured maybe you remembered :)
00:25<sney>teflon memory
00:26<stsm>its only 11 years ago :p
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00:32<klaymen>stsm, i found the original font site i was looking for. if you are interested
00:32<stsm>klaymen, sure link me
00:33<klaymen>the good thing about them, they provide the fonts in all needed formats, including svg
00:33<stsm>allways nice to have around, i got some graphicvs background, so allways nice to have around :)
00:33<klaymen>also they give you @font-face examples
00:33<klaymen>you can upload a ttf, and they will provide a "kit" with svg, otf, ttf, css examples for @font-face
00:33<klaymen>no problem.
00:34<stsm>i never made a font myself
00:34<stsm>what tool do you use for that?
00:34<stsm>also nice to know :p
00:35<stsm>seems pretty nice
00:35<stsm>allmost no ugly fonts like on many similar sites
00:35<klaymen>the code examples are my favorite part, gets you running a demo very quickly, and you tweak it later.
00:36<klaymen>^ and ive never made them myself
00:36<klaymen>so i cant help you there
00:36<stsm>ah ok since you said you can upload a ttf
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00:39<klaymen>yes, sometimes you'lle come accross an open font in just ttf for example.
00:39<klaymen>thats my application anyway
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00:40<klaymen>if you did create your own, I'd imagine you could already make any format you require
00:41<rawr>so this is that butters fellow with the ethernet card driver issues. I rolled back the kernel, but where do I fid the previously supported driver support?
00:42<gsimmons>rawr: Rolled "back" the kernel? You mean updated, right?
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00:43<user01>what's the difference between a wildcard and a regex? i did an example ls [0-9]?.jpg and they told me the ? wasnt a regex but a wildcard
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00:47<rawr>uh, I downloaded the kernel you told me to, i guess i confused backported with being an older version
00:48<stsm>klaymen, aaaah it will convert without putting the font on their website?
00:48<stsm>in case the font has no apropriate license
00:48<klaymen>sorry, should have said that.
00:48<stsm>veeeeeery nice lol
00:48<stsm>very very nice
00:48<klaymen>they wouldnt be able to sort out the licence for that.
00:48<klaymen>yes ^
00:49<gsimmons>rawr: Assuming you restarted your system and booted with the 2.6.32 kernel, the tg3 and ath9k drivers should be bound to your Ethernet and wireless LAN devices respectively.
00:50<rawr>well, my wireless card is there
00:50<rawr>but not my ethernet card
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00:58<rawr>any ideas on what my problem is?
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01:03<stsm>you could check if the kernel module is loaded if its a module, other then that no ideas sorry :(
01:03<stsm>all my ethernet cards so far just worked out of the box
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01:08<rawr>modprobe tg3
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01:11<rawr>so when i modprobe there is a driver
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01:14<gsimmons>rawr: You might be hitting Debian bug #553024 ( Try the workaround in the bug report.
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01:18<uboats>there is no updates since two days ago
01:19<uboats>Is debian preparing for new updates such as gnome2.30??
01:21<rudi_s_>uboats: Not in stable (which is lenny at the moment); only security updates and sometimes bug fixes.
01:21<uboats>rudi_s_, is there any fixed date that lenny would be upgraded to squeeze?
01:22<uboats>rudi_s_, I mean even no updates for testing
01:22<rudi_s_>uboats: No.
01:22<dpkg>Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers.
01:23<uboats>rudi_s_, do u know when will gnome be updated in unstable?
01:24<uboats>rudi_s_, I used to try to change testing in sources.list to sid, however, it does not work as a unstable
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01:34<addux>i have a question about system proxy settings with gnome and debian 5.0
01:34<addux>can anyone help?
01:38<addux> i installed tor and polipo for web browsing, but something I have done seems to have affected the system settings, now unless tor is running i cannot connect to the internet
01:38<addux>here is the error
01:38<addux> Could not connect to ( - connect (111 Connection refused)
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01:46<addux>im very lost
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02:24<addux>testing testing mic check 1 2
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02:33<uboats>addux, how about removing those softwares? And try again?
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02:47<addux>ok that worked but i am wondering what i did to change the system settings
02:48<addux>and why when the programs weren't running it wouldn't change back
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03:07<lesniak>I'm looking for iso image for Debian
03:08<lesniak>for desktop
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03:08<yang>lesniak: go to download section on the left side of the debian website
03:09<lesniak>But there is only stable version
03:09<yang> (for testing)
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03:10<lesniak>One of this images will be good?
03:10<yang>lesniak: you can choose the -kde or xfce if you want desktop environment
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03:11<lesniak>big thanks ;)
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03:12<dr|z3d>Xfce is obviously the _correct_ choice. KDE is a red herring.
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03:12*dr|z3d smirks.
03:12<lesniak>I use GNOME
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03:12<lesniak>in my Ubuntu 9.10 and i love it
03:12<dr|z3d>lesniak: Have you _tried_ XFCE?
03:13<lesniak>now but I see the screens
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03:13<lesniak>wait a minute, i'm going to eat something
03:13<dr|z3d>Thought. Everything Gnome is and less (when it comes to bloat).
03:13<dr|z3d>*thought not.
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03:28<lesniak>I'm here again
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03:52<MidComMobile>hey guys
03:52<MidComMobile>will debian chuck a hissyfit if i want it to use ext4 stock?
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03:53<MidComMobile>i've downloaded the debian unstable x64 netinst image, and i'm going to build a nice kernel later anyway, but i just would like to know if i need the / to initially be ext3 or if ext4 will be ok
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04:55<Luffy1980>During the last 1 or 2 days I couldn't see any update for any package, is there any problem with the update system?
04:56<slush>MidComMobile: either is fine, as long you have the support for it in the kernel
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04:57<slush>Luffy1980: using stable?
04:57<Luffy1980>slush: No, unstable/experimental.
04:58<slush>oh, in that case anything is possible
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04:58<Luffy1980>slush: Yeah, I know. I'm not complaining, I just wanted to know if it's a known problem
04:59*slush didnt pay much attention to this channel due some busy days, so no clue if there are more ppl who has problems with it atm
05:00<Luffy1980>slush: I see, thanks anyway
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05:01<plenty_of_hash>hi people
05:01<babilen>Luffy1980: Yes, there were problems. Are you interested in the details?
05:01<Luffy1980>babilen: Yes, if you can even point me to a link or if you know them. Not because of anything in particular, I'm just curious
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05:03<plenty_of_hash>i have sata disk. if I mount 2 disk (sda and sdb) they run properly, if I mount also sdc, dis sdc got error during long cp session. Ok, it is NOT a hardware fault, vecause if i mount sda and sdc or sdb and sdc, no eror hapens. IT seem error is related to 3 disk mounted ad same time. Debian is lenny stable linux 2.6.26, filesistem is XFS.
05:03<MidComMobile>slush: does the stock kernel have ext4 support in unstable?
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05:04<babilen>Luffy1980: Follow-ups on debian-devel
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05:04<Luffy1980>babilen: Thanks a lot for the link!
05:04<babilen>Luffy1980: No problem
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05:16<symp>help /connect
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05:39<slush>MidComMobile: afaik, yes
05:39<slush>MidComMobile: but you probably already knew that
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05:53<amitz>will bug marked "important" stop the package from bein released? or the bug must have a higher criticality?
05:54<amitz>from being included in squeeze release.
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05:55<kiragami>i have a problem with my connection internet , i'm connected but i can't open a web page
05:55<kiragami>is there somebody with the linux distrub Backtrack 4?
05:55<amitz>kiragami: error message?
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05:56<dpkg>BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. #backtrack-linux on See also <based on debian>.
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05:57<amitz>in simpler word, what classes of bug prevent inclusion in debian squeeze?
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06:06<amitz>just found out. "important bug" class is also a critical-release bug.
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06:21<ansgar>amitz: important is not release-critical.
06:21<EmleyMoor>What's the command to build a package from customised source?
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06:25<Lethalman>EmleyMoor, dpkg-buildpackage
06:25<Lethalman>add -us -uc
06:25<Lethalman>or debuild -us -uc
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06:32<amitz>ansgar: you mean bug marked as "important bug" in debian's bug report?
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06:37<ansgar>amitz: Yes.
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06:42<j0sfg>on debian lenny, /var/log/Xorg.0.log says "drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0", more at, /dev/dri is empty. how can i get drm or dri or accelaration enabled on my laptop with ati mach64?
06:43<gsimmons>dpkg: tell j0sfg -about mach64
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06:45<j0sfg>gsimmons: thanks. what does this mean? "See also <mach64 drm one-liner> for a build procedure that might work."
06:47<gsimmons>j0sfg: The angle brackets refer to a factoid name, which you ask dpkg about ; /msg dpkg mach64 drm one-liner
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06:53<j0sfg>gsimmons: thanks again. dpkg's mach64 page is possibly out-of-date. the links are not much relevant, some links are broken. i google'd and ended up at pages where people had successfully enabled dri.
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06:56<j0sfg>apt-get install libgl1-mesa-dri populated /usr/li/dri with modules including i can't get this to load, assuming this is what might create /dev/dri/card0 or so on...
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06:58<j0sfg>"drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device or address)" looks like it is trying to load /dev/dri/card0, which doesn't exist.
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07:04<Xeross>Is there a way to copy over the users permissions to the groups permissions recursively ?
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07:09<vook>Xeross: not sure what you mean. Give an example.
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07:11<vook>sounds like you're looking for something involving the 'find' command - i.e. find . -type f -exec chgrp blah {}\;
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07:44<robo>hi, can you help me troubleshoot why my kvm virtual machines stopped communicating with the network?
07:45<robo>i have them bridged with eth0 to br0 which is my default gw
07:45<robo>but the virtual machines never receive any packets
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07:46<robo>it used to work before but since a couple of upgrades it stopped (sid amd64 hede)
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07:47<ae86-drifter>could someone please help me find why my sound doesn't work? has it got anything to do with installing XFCE version instead of GNOME? i have configured alsa mixer and it says the device is there but no sound still..
07:48<dr|z3d>ae86-drifter: Sound in what?
07:48<ae86-drifter>in everything
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07:48<dr|z3d>Using XFCE rather than Gnome shouldn't make a difference.
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07:49<ae86-drifter>okay, i have another sounds card here, but this motherboard is about 6 years old so it should work
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07:49<ae86-drifter>dr|z3d, could u please tell me what i need to do
07:50<ae86-drifter>i have searched for so many tutorials and none of them work
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07:52<ae86-drifter>its: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] AC'97 Sound Controller (rev a0)
07:52<dr|z3d>ae86-drifter: I usually manage to get sound where there is none, but I couldn't describe the process. I usually just fiddle!
07:52<amz>i search some progz for programing in php under debian/gnome, do you know some good? what will color and help with "parse" code etc
07:53<ae86-drifter>amz, netbeans is excellent for that
07:53<dr|z3d>ae86-drifter: You might try changing the output in a given program.. if it's using alsa, try some other options.
07:53<dr|z3d>netbeans is overkill
07:53<dr|z3d>that's an entire IDE.
07:53<ae86-drifter>gPHPedit then?
07:53<ae86-drifter>or vim
07:53<dr|z3d>amz: Tried gedit?
07:54<dr|z3d>That should also colorize.
07:54<dr|z3d>You might need to install plugins..
07:54<robo>amz, gedit should be just ok
07:54<amz>netbeans netbeans-ide netbeans-platform
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07:54<dr|z3d>netbeans.. forget that..
07:54<dr|z3d>Unless you happen to _want_ a java ide..
07:54<ae86-drifter>dr|z3d, i use netbeans because i need intergration with SVN etc
07:55<ae86-drifter>dr|z3d, netbeans has a PHP version also
07:56<dr|z3d>ae86-drifter: Fair enough.. but it's a heavy platform to install just for colorizing.
07:56<amz>so what program will be good?
07:56<amz>gedit isnot good, dont colour php, and dont parse
07:56<dr|z3d>Install the plugins for gedit.
07:56<amz>when for example i do { it should make tabulation after enter etc
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07:57<amz>how install plugins
07:57<ae86-drifter>gPHPedit is like gEdit but with a function list, but not heavily featured, vim is even more lightweight, but CLI based and also supports syntax highlighting
07:57<amz>and what plugins
07:57<dr|z3d>aptitude install gedit-plugins
07:57<dr|z3d>Let us know if that helps.
07:57<ae86-drifter>vim is really good if u learn to use it
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07:58<dr|z3d>amz: scite is also worth a look. aptitude install scite
07:59<amz>so maybe some vote and i will install that what more ppl say is good :P lol
07:59<ae86-drifter>amz it depends on your preference, needs, PC specs etc
07:59<nostradamus99>I have a debian install running from a usb stick. I installed a Dell Perc 6i adapter in my pc how do I make debian detect it..?
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08:00<robo>nostradamus99, should just work... are you running a default debian kernel?
08:01<nostradamus99>I can see it if I run lspci
08:01<nostradamus99>does this mean it is active..?
08:01<nostradamus99>i can't see it in /dev/
08:01<robo>nostradamus99, i would guess so..
08:02<nostradamus99>I'm reading the smartmon man page and it states:
08:02<nostradamus99>This interface will also work for Dell PERC controllers. The following /dev/XXX entry must exist: For PERC2/3/4 controllers: /dev/megadev0 For PERC5/6 controllers: /dev/megaraid_sas_ioctl_node
08:03<nostradamus99>The card was not present when I installed debian
08:03<nostradamus99>I just put it in
08:03<robo>nostradamus99, dmesg |grep megaraid
08:04<nostradamus99>no result
08:04<robo>nostradamus99, try modprobe megaraid
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08:04<dr|z3d>amz: No vote needed. Vote with your eyes. Just try gedit with the plugins and scite. If they fail to impress, tell us!
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08:05<nostradamus99>also no output
08:05<dr|z3d>They're both small installs, unlike netbeans, which is, what, a 100MB download?
08:05<amz>how enable that gedit plugins
08:06<amz>after install
08:06<ae86-drifter>dr|z3d, netbeans is around 25MB
08:06<nostradamus99>Is there a megaraid driver I need to install first..?
08:06<dr|z3d>Should be enabled if you restart gedit.. and options should show those, somewhere.
08:06<ae86-drifter>for the PHP version
08:06<dr|z3d>ae86-drifter: Oh, ok. That's not _so_ bad then.. perhaps I was confusing the size with eclipse.
08:07<amz>that scite looks fine
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08:07<ae86-drifter>dr|z3d, i think if you have the java environment installed and all the others it would be around that though
08:07<robo>nostradamus99, what version of debian is that? and how "new" is that hardware? if it was released after the debian version, you might need to upgrade your kernel
08:07<amz>but i install gedit plugins so, where can i enable it?
08:07<amz>bcause i dont see diffrence after install plugins
08:07<dr|z3d>amz: Again, look in the options.
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08:08<amz>dr|z3d: ok, thx
08:08<robo>nostradamus99, i have a machine with a dell perc controller (don't remember exact model and version) and it just works - it was detected by d-i and works
08:09<nostradamus99>I installed debian lenny
08:09<dr|z3d>amz: Preferences -> Plugins to be precise.
08:09<nostradamus99>The hardware is new in the sense that I installed it into my computer after debian was installed
08:10<dr|z3d>nostradamus99: Shouldn't much matter.. the kernel should have support.
08:10<robo>nostradamus99, i also have modules megaraid_mbox megaraid_mm megaraid loaded... you can try modprobe them too
08:11<nostradamus99>I'm rebooting the machine
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08:13<ae86-drifter>pretty much i cannot intall anything anymore, could someone please help me?
08:13<robo>nostradamus99, and did you configure the controler? logical drives and such?
08:14<robo>ae86-drifter, ooo that looks screwed up big time, what did you do to that poor machine? :)
08:15<ae86-drifter>robo, uhh, not much really just trying to get my soun card to work..
08:15<nostradamus99>I haven't configured anything yet..I just attached 1 HD to the controller to see if I would be able to access smart information
08:15<nostradamus99>dmesg|grep megaraid
08:15<nostradamus99>[ 55.696815] megaraid cmm: (Release Date: Sun Jul 16 00:01:03 EST 2006)
08:15<ae86-drifter>i installed VLC and google chrome, claws mail, virtual box, and besides that its all the standard xfce lenny install
08:16<nostradamus99>[ 55.701826] megaraid: (Release Date: Thu Nov 16 15:32:35 EST 2006)
08:16<nostradamus99>I have more output than before now
08:16<ae86-drifter>how could i fix it?
08:16<babilen>ae86-drifter: Are you upgrading from stable to testing?
08:16<nostradamus99>rebooting the mache again to see if it sticks
08:16<robo>ae86-drifter, well, do what it says - try upgrading your kernel along with udev
08:17<ae86-drifter>babilen, yes, i tried to to see if i could get support for my sound card
08:17<robo>nostradamus99, i have one more line: [ 1.323126] megaraid: probe new device 0x1028:0x000f:0x1028:0x014a: bus 4:slot 3:func 0
08:17<ae86-drifter>robo, thats the first thing i tried
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08:18<babilen>ae86-drifter: Ok, that is a common issue when you upgrade - You have to install the kernel in squeeze first (probably manually) and boot it. After you've done that you can upgrade udev to the squeeze version.
08:18<robo>nostradamus99, but i would try to create a logical drive in the controller config first
08:19<robo>nostradamus99, maybe the "new device" is a logical drive
08:19<babilen>ae86-drifter: But upgrading to squeeze in order to fix your soundcard is, well, stupid. You could have just installed a newer kernel form backports. But it is too late now and I hope you are happy with testing and the work/problem you *might* run into.
08:19<nostradamus99>I rebooted the machine
08:19<nostradamus99>and output for dmesg | grep megaraid
08:19<nostradamus99>is again zero
08:20<babilen>ae86-drifter: Do you know how to proceed now?
08:20<nostradamus99>isn't that modprobe command suppose to stick..?
08:20<robo>nostradamus99, no, it isn't
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08:20<nostradamus99> can I make the megaraid probe permanent..?
08:20<ae86-drifter>babilen, yes, but the problem is, it wont let me upgrade kernal, i get the same message, ill pastebin it'
08:21<robo>nostradamus99, there are ways to make the modules load automatically but i think it should be autodetected
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08:21<robo>nostradamus99, /etc/modules
08:21<babilen>ae86-drifter: Install it manually with dpkg -i <pkg>
08:22<ae86-drifter>babilen, okay ill do that, here is my output anyway
08:22<babilen>ae86-drifter: You should find the package in /var/cache/apt/archives/
08:22<nostradamus99>hmmm..I can't create a virtual drive just yet because I may still need the data on the disk
08:22<robo>guys, my virtual machine can see my default gw in arp but cannot ping it.. could this be somehow caused by iptables firewall on the "host" machine?
08:22<babilen>ae86-drifter: And *don't* install the backport kernel, but the linux-image-* from squeeze (i.e. linux-image-2.6.32-3-amd64)
08:23<nostradamus99>so the theory is that I should see the Dell perc adapter one i've create a virtualdrive on the perc card..?
08:23<robo>nostradamus99, well, that's just my theory, not "the theory" :)
08:23<babilen>ae86-drifter: After you've done that and upgraded completely you might want to install linux-image-2.6-686 (or -bigmem) and mark linux-image-2.6.32-3-amd64 as automatically installed (aptitude markauto <pkg>)
08:24<ae86-drifter>babilen, will this one be okay ? linux-image-2.6.32-4-686
08:24<nostradamus99>I'll go about and fumble a bit more If it doesn't i'll be back..thanks for your help robo
08:24<robo>nostradamus99, no problem
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08:24<babilen>,depends linux-image-2.6-686 --release squeeze
08:24<judd>linux-image-2.6-686 -- depends: linux-image-2.6.32-3-686.
08:24<ae86-drifter>babilen, this is a really old P4 CPU with only 256 MB ram
08:25<babilen>ae86-drifter: Both are OK, but *I* would install the package that linux-image-2.6-686 depends on (i.e. linux-image-2.6.32-3-686)
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08:25<babilen>ae86-drifter: Ok, then you don't need the -bigmem kernel :)
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08:26<ae86-drifter>babilen, okay so should i not install linux-image-2.6.32-4-686? or linux-image-2.6.32-3-686 ?
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08:26<ae86-drifter>doesnt matter?
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08:27<babilen>ae86-drifter: Your decision - The motivation in installing linux-image-2.6.32-3-686 is that the metapackage linux-image-2.6-686 currently depends on it. That means that you can install the metapackage and be sure that newer kernel packages are installed automagically.
08:27<babilen>ae86-drifter: Not sure why linux-image-2.6-686 does not depend on the -4- package these days
08:28<babilen>,depends linux-image-2.6-686 --release sid
08:28<judd>linux-image-2.6-686 -- depends: linux-image-2.6.32-3-686.
08:28<ae86-drifter>i got 2.6.26-2-686 at the moment
08:29<babilen>ae86-drifter: Yes, that is the one in lenny
08:30<babilen>ae86-drifter: Which you want/have to upgrade
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08:32<babilen>ae86-drifter: And given that you have such an old computer upgrading to squeeze will not help anything, as the hardware was probably supported some years ago already :-\
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08:32<ae86-drifter>babilen, yeah.. i know but the sound card is a new sound blaster thing
08:32<robo>ae86-drifter, btw. did you unmute the soundcard in alsamixer?
08:33<ae86-drifter>robo, yeah
08:33<babilen>ae86-drifter: And besides all that - There are a couple of things we could have checked earlier
08:33<ae86-drifter>it is so annoying... i had ubuntu on this pc a while ago and the sound worked instantly
08:33<babilen>!alsa checklist
08:33<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>.
08:34<babilen>ae86-drifter: don't despair - get the upgrade right now and we can take it from there
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08:37<ae86-drifter>ill try, thanks everyone for the help
08:38<babilen>ae86-drifter: I have to go now, but i'll be back later. Good luck with the upgrade. After you are done, you want to "aptitude markauto linux-image-2.6.32-3-686" and then work on the sound
08:38<ae86-drifter>ok thanks see ya
08:39<babilen>ae86-drifter: You should: "lspci -nn" and get the pciid for your soundcard. You can then check the module you need on either (he takes input from "lspci -n" though) to find the correct module for your card
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08:40<babilen>Then add yoursellf to the audio group, unmute the channels in alsamixer and you should be done. You might also want to provide the output of "cat /proc/asound/cards" for support in here
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08:40<babilen>ae86-drifter: The second option with the pciid is to "/msg judd pciid PCIID" in here
08:40<babilen>ae86-drifter: Good luck ..
08:40<ae86-drifter>babilen, thanks very much i will try all of that
08:41<babilen>ae86-drifter: (do the markauto *after* you've installed linux-image-2.6-686)
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08:41<babilen>so, that's about it - have fun
08:41<ae86-drifter>lots of fun....
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08:42<babilen>ae86-drifter: (it might be that the soundblaster card got the wrong index and is shadowed by a built-in card)
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08:44<ae86-drifter>babilen, sure, i will look into all of your mentioned possibilities, i cant even get either of them to work...
08:44<babilen>ae86-drifter: First: Upgrade - then: sound :)
08:45<ae86-drifter>okay sure
08:45<babilen>ae86-drifter: I know that some of the stuff i said do not necessarily make sense to you now, but they will help to troubleshoot your sound problem later on. Just wanted to mention them
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09:06<user01>whats the difference etweeb regex and wilcards?
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09:08<user01>thought they were the same
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09:09<robo>user01, regex are more powerfull, they can do much more than wildcards
09:09<robo>user01, but it depends on what kind of wildcards you mean... there is no standard for a "wildcard"
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09:10<eightyeight>user01: your question doesn't make any sense
09:10<eightyeight>user01: regex is a language to manipulate text. a wildcard is part of that syntax
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09:11<eightyeight>user01: now, if you're referring to regex vs file globbing, then you're comparing apples to apples
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09:13<user01>robo, eightyeight: well i did ls [0-9]?.* and apparently this wasnt a regex but only a wildcard
09:13<eightyeight>* is the wildcard. [0-9]?* is a regex expression
09:13<eightyeight>? is also a wildcard
09:14<robo>and a broken one for that matter :)
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09:15<user01>robo, eightyeight well some guy said the ? wasn't a regular expression, it was just a wildcard so it would behave the same so i wasnt sure what that meant
09:15<user01>it wouldnt behave the same
09:16<robo>user01, ? in regexp syntax means "zero or one occurance of the last one expression"
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09:17<eightyeight>? and * are both wildcards. a regular expression is an expression using wirldcards, in conjection with other logic, to manipulate text
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09:17<robo>user01, i don't think it qualifies as a regexp itself.. it needs something to precede it
09:17<eightyeight>? matches 0 or 1 characters, * matches 0 to inifinty
09:17<user01>like egrep or sed
09:18<ae86-drifter>i am trying to upgrade my kernel and it wont work, here is my output
09:18<robo>user01, egrep and sed accept regexes
09:18<user01>but ls doesn't
09:18<robo>user01, exactly.. ls accepts file globbing expressions, which are a bit different (and less powerful)
09:18<eightyeight>egrep and sed both accept regular expression syntax
09:19<eightyeight>but, egrep and sed can do other things to manipulate text as well
09:19<user01>because in the vtc 2009 training video i watched on reg expressions they made it sound like the same
09:19<ae86-drifter>regex isn't JUST to manipulate text...
09:20<user01>i thought they were the same these days because there used to be a function glob in the first unices that was incorporated into the wildcards i thought
09:20<eightyeight>regex and file globbing are not the same, although they share similar goals
09:20<eightyeight>the syntax is different between the two
09:21<eightyeight>and file globbing is entirely dependent on the shell you're using
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09:22<ae86-drifter>regexes can be used to validate, manipulate, find, match, edit, etc
09:23<eightyeight>of course
09:23<ae86-drifter>very useful to learn
09:23<robo>ae86-drifter, i googled the message a bit and it is either broken .deb file (try re-downloading it) or you need something called 'apt-get clean'
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09:23<user01>so how do i know if it is file globbing or regex?
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09:24<robo>user01, you can parse it as each and see if it is valid :)
09:24<eightyeight>are you manipulating files or text in files?
09:24<ae86-drifter>user01, by learning the syntax of both, and knowing what situation you are in
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09:25<robo>user01, e.g. ????.txt might be a valid file glob but for sure it's not a valid regexp
09:25<user01>ae86-drifter, well in cases where * and ? are used for example
09:25<ae86-drifter>user01, those characters are used in BOTH
09:26<ae86-drifter>it depends on the synax, not the characters
09:26<ae86-drifter>robo, youre right, the file was only 800KB
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09:26<i10neorg>Is it true there hasn't been any action (new/updated packages) in the testing/squeeze archives for the past few days? It felt so strange I wanted to make sure it wasn't just me.
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09:27<robo>user01, *.txt is also not a regex (because both ? and * in regex syntax must come after something not first)
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09:27<azeem>i10neorg: the main archive server is down
09:27<i10neorg>azeem: Thank you.
09:27<vinicius>how would be the best way of testing an apache server by brute force? i mean, pushing multiple connections
09:27<vinicius>i did a small script like for i in {1..1000};do bash -c "wget blabla... &";done
09:27<dr|z3d>vinicius: The best way? Rent a botnet :)
09:28*dr|z3d winks.
09:28<petemc_>vinicius: theres apachebench
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09:28<vinicius>petemc_, nice... thanks
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09:28<user01>so if I do touch {0..9}{0..9}.jpg that is a regex?
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09:29<ae86-drifter>user01, this is regex: "/^[\_]*([a-zA-Z0-9]+(\.|\_*)?)+@([a-zA-Z][a-zA-Z0-9\-]+(\.|\-*\.))+[a-zA-Z]{2,6}$/"
09:29<robo>user01, does touch accept regexes?
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09:29<petemc_>its bash that interprets that, not touch
09:29<robo>petemc_, right, sorry
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09:29<vinicius>petemc_, and what about an IIs server?
09:29<petemc_>vinicius: ab can be used for other web servers
09:29<vinicius>i know its windows and so... but im asking about a script to force multiple connections
09:30<vinicius>petemc_, humn... that sounds nice
09:30<user01>sooo . . . its just fle globbing my example?
09:31<robo>user01, well, it's something that bash interprets :) i wouldn't call it file globbing in this context
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09:31<robo>user01, and also, it's not a valid regexp :)
09:31<user01>man this lpic 101 test is going to be hard
09:31<ae86-drifter>user01, if it was regex it should be eg. 0-9 instead of 0..9
09:32<ae86-drifter>i think..
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09:33<robo>regex equivalent of that expression would be [0-9][0-9]\.jpg
09:33<vinicius>petemc_, thanks again
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09:34<robo>user01, or, more exactly ^[0-9][0-9]\.jpg$
09:34<MidComMobile>ok, i hit a brikwall
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09:35<ae86-drifter>or ^[0-9]{2}\.jpg$
09:35<MidComMobile>didn't know debian unstable was using grub2 already
09:35<themill>robo: {0..9} expands to 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 whereas [0-9] matches any of 0 to 9. How it's used determines whether that difference is important.
09:36<robo>themill, i don't get it.. how is 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 different to "any of 0 to 9" ?
09:36<themill>robo: "expands to" and "matches" are different things.
09:37<ae86-drifter>eg {0..3} matches "0123"
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09:37<user01>ae86-drifter, thought {} was expand to
09:37<robo>themill, oh, really? ok, I only know regexes, I was just guessing about the {0..9} thing
09:38<user01>so {} is a wildcard like thing used by bash?
09:38<themill>robo: if there were a regex version of touch (using find, perl, whatever), then "touch [0-9]" would only change timestamps on existing files that matched; "touch {0-9}" will create the files 0 1 2 ... 9.
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09:39<themill>err... "touch {0..9}"
09:39<themill>robo: if you were using this with rm, cp or whatever, then the distinction would be less important.
09:39<robo>themill, well, one could make a regex version of touch that would go and create all files that match the given regex :)
09:39<MidComMobile>grub is not booting gentoo
09:40<MidComMobile>sorry, used to gentoo.
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09:40<themill>robo: that's not possible in general.
09:40<robo>themill, well, of course, it could start generating an infinite number of files
09:41<themill>for just about any non-trivial regex, it's impossible to enumerate every single thing that would match it.
09:41<robo>themill, by bruteforce
09:42<themill>it's still not possible to enumerate an infinite set
09:42<robo>themill, but nevermind. it's stupid, let's stop this :)
09:42<MidComMobile>grub2 is not booting into debian. apparently it just "cannot boot into operating system".
09:43<robo>themill, let's agree that regexes are not supposed to enumerate things, but match them
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09:45<aguitel>MidComMobile, grub2 is not installed in lenny
09:45<user01>robo, i tried to create an example of one yesterday and i grabbed a windows box at work to just create a text file, and it screwed up my example i think because text files arent created the same :P
09:45<MidComMobile>i have no idea how to make grub2 work... could i get a little help here
09:45<ae86-drifter>MidComMobile, are you using this computer now?
09:46<MidComMobile>aguitel: well, i am on unstable
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09:46<aguitel>MidComMobile, aptitude install grub2 and then update-grub2
09:46<MidComMobile>ae86-drifter: nah, on an EeePC beside it
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09:47<MidComMobile>aguitel: GRUB2 IS STOCK
09:47<ae86-drifter>MidComMobile, ?
09:48<ae86-drifter>boot a livecd and configure it properly, or run a tool such as super grub disk
09:48<MidComMobile>ae86-drifter: i have no idea how to do that properly
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09:48<user01>oh but someone asked an interesting question about sed 'y' yank command . . . i did sed 'y/abcde/ABCDE/' /etc/passwd example and someone wanted to know if you could use the y command to replace all 'a's with the word monkey
09:50<robo>user01, i'm not sure about sed but in perl that would be 's/a/monkey/g'
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09:50<user01>robo, yes so s command
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09:51<ae86-drifter>MidComMobile, its as simple as burning a CD and booting it
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09:51<user01>so no way to do it with the y command
09:51<ae86-drifter>MidComMobile, search for super grub disk
09:51<MidComMobile>ae86-drifter: time to burn a cd then ;)
09:51<robo>user01, aren't we off-topic on this channel by the way? :)
09:52<MidComMobile>ae86-drifter: thanks
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09:52<user01>robo, sed isnt part of debian? :)
09:52<azeem>this is a support channel
09:52<user01>it came installed by default on mine
09:53<azeem>argueing about what is on topic is off-topic as well, btw
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09:53<user01>mmm where is this on-topic, on debian off-topic?
09:53<ae86-drifter>discussing where to discuss things is off topic
09:54<user01>and saying discussing where to discuss things would be too i guess
09:54<azeem>user01: please drop it
09:55<user01>> /dev/null
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09:56<adb>user01, > #regex
09:56<ae86-drifter>join #regex
09:56<adb>(on freenode)
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10:01<clin>What command can I send/ receive Etag using curl command? I tried curl --head http://domain, but can't see any Etag info there.
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10:04<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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10:05<dpkg>cURL is a command line tool for transferring files with URL syntax, supporting FTP, FTPS, HTTP, HTTPS, TFTP, Telnet, DICT, FILE and LDAP. Supports HTTPS certificates, HTTP POST, HTTP PUT, FTP uploading, Kerberos, HTTP form based upload, proxies, cookies, user+password authentication, file transfer resume, HTTP proxy tunneling. #curl on
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10:18<MidComMobile>brb ubuntu
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10:37<fnmueller>I have been searching my fingers off in google and did not find anything usefull. So maybe you guys can help me. There is a config files (which I am looking for) that allows to configure the behavior aof cryptdisk when booting up the PC. I do not want to be prompted for the passwords when booting up for encryption and open the encrypted volumes manually later on. What is the path to that file?
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11:05<OdyX>fnmueller: /etc/crypttab
11:06<fnmueller>OdyX: oO, ok, I thought diesbling the password prompt at boot was somewhere completly else
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11:06<OdyX>fnmueller: I don't know for the specific place for this
11:07<OdyX>fnmueller: but it's there you can configure your crypto devices
11:09<fnmueller>OdyX: well, I am aware of that, but I am pretty sure configuring the boot behavior is somewhere else
11:09<fnmueller>OdyX: for now, I just disabled the crypddisk_early module - I will see what happens next time I boot
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11:13<babilen>ae86-drifter: what's up? any progress? I thought about it and am not sure if you *really* want to run testing. There certainly are other ways to get your sound working ..
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11:15<jhr>woody: good to see you!
11:16<woody>jhr: hi ;)
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11:18*themill upgrades woody to sarge, etch then lenny
11:20*jhr congratulates
11:20*woody is ill
11:21<dpkg>somebody said ill was the same thing as cool, but in a "cooler" way
11:21<woody>how said that?
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11:22<jhr>woody: /msg dpkg who said that?
11:23<router>ill = good illin' = bad
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12:02<S1L45>somebody speak spanish?
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12:03<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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12:05<S1L45>but, in debian-es no body answer my question
12:06<sney>you could try #debian-ar
12:06<babilen>S1L45: Or speak English in here :-\
12:07<S1L45>jajajja my englis is very basic
12:07<sney>or that ^
12:07<sfyn>silly question
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12:07<sney>no silly questions, only silly users
12:07<babilen>S1L45: There is also a #debian-es with more people on freenode (/connect /join #debian-es)
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12:08<sfyn>I have a command line only server I am currently working on, and I want to open an ssh connection to another server that already has my gpg public key set up - what package or config do I need to do so that I can enter my passphrase at the command line^
12:08<sfyn>um, ^ = ?
12:08<sfyn>sney: thx
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12:09<sney>hmm, I don't remember
12:09<sney>hang on
12:10<babilen>ssh supports authentication with gpg?
12:10<sfyn>yes it does
12:10<sney>this is probably what you're looking for, sfyn
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12:11<babilen>sfyn: That are SSH keys, not GPG keys
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12:11<sfyn>babilen: my mistake - they are still a public/private key scheme, so I got confused
12:12<babilen>sfyn: And you are asked for the passphrase if you entered one when you created the key IIRC
12:12<sfyn>sney: not exactly - I have already created my key, with a passphrase
12:12<babilen>sfyn: And you are not asked for the passphrase when you connect?
12:12<sfyn>babilen: the ssh connection hangs
12:13<sfyn>babilen: usually I am using an x session so I can rely ont he little gtk window to plug in my passphrase
12:13<sfyn>babilen: I assume (hope) that there is a command line utility that does the same thing as the gtk utility
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12:14<babilen>sfyn: What happens when you do "ssh user@host" ?
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12:15<sfyn>babilen: nothing - the connection hangs
12:16<ml|>sfyn: use -vvv to get more info, on why it hangs
12:16<babilen>sfyn: And paste that output, so we can have a look ..
12:16<sfyn>ok - 1 minute
12:17<sfyn>shit - it wasn't hanging - after ten minutes it negotiated a connection - it was just very very slow
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12:17<babilen>sfyn: apart from that: Network connection to said server is fine? Can you ping it?
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12:17<sfyn>babilen: yes
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12:18<sfyn>babilen: in fact I am chatting to you from inside a screen session on that same server
12:18<babilen>just checking
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12:19<sfyn>babilen: sorry didn't mean to be rude -
12:19<babilen>I did not understand it that way :)
12:20<sfyn>The connection speed is faster now - I think, the retrieval of the ssl certificate from the server I was sshing to was the cause of the delay the first time, but of course I have no -vvv to look at to find out
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12:20<sfyn>Thank you for the help folks - I'm a little short sleep - been up all night setting up a fileserver for the first time
12:21<babilen>sfyn: Well, glad it works now. Have a great evening/afternoon/night :)
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12:26<maunicmer>hola lorena!
12:26<maunicmer>como estas?
12:26<lorena>QUIEN ERES
12:26<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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13:17<djdarkman>hello, I'm using squeeze and the network manager didn't recognize my online/offline status, which affected some applications, I removed it but Java applikactions like netbeans, still won't work because they blindly think that I'm offline even when there is no network manager? is there a way to force java apps to ignore the network status?
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13:19<azeem>djdarkman: there were network issues with java applications, I don't think it is related to n-m
13:20<EmleyMoor>A .deb I built - is there an easy way to list the files in it?
13:20<bremner_>EmleyMoor: dpkg -c
13:20<djdarkman>azeem: is there a workaround? is there a way I can tell all java applications to think that I'm always online?
13:21<azeem>djdarkman: why do you think they believe you are offline?
13:21<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... at least it proves that a file I need is still not in it
13:22<djdarkman>azI don't really know, there was a simmilar bug with pidgeon
13:22<azeem>pidgin actually uses n-m though, contrary to java applications
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13:23<djdarkman>weird, Netbeans just tells me that network is unreachable, in an instant
13:23<azeem>it's not weird, it's a bug
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13:23<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
13:23<lorena>NO INGLES
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13:24<djdarkman>azeem: do you have a link to a bug that fits this description?
13:24<lorena>OLA AZEEM
13:24<ml|>could it be an java ipv6 issue?
13:25<ml|>dpkg: java ipv6
13:25<dpkg>As of netbase 4.38, net.ipv6.bindv6only=1 is set, see This currently breaks networking in java, see for solutions. In short, sed -i 's/net.ipv6.bindv6only = 1/net.ipv6.bindv6only = 0/' /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf ; invoke-rc.d procps restart.
13:25<ml|>maybe try that ^
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13:30<djdarkman>thanks a lot it worked
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13:31<ml|>!congratulate djdarkman
13:31<dpkg>Nice one djdarkman, you did it!
13:31<stsm>anyone happen to know if its possibel to use an external toochain with emdebian-tools or only with emdebian-duilsupport ?
13:32<stsm>*emdebian-buildsupport i mean
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13:42<dpkg>Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
13:43<cacum>you do not listen to me or that I have a problem on my computer
13:44<_x90>hi cacum, need some help?
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13:45<cacum>yes please
13:45<cacum>CCAG me in yours bitch father speak to me that my computer is in English
13:47<_x90>sorry, i do not understand what you are saying.
13:48<_x90>you need help changing the language of your system?
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13:48<_x90>try issuing: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
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13:49<sney>he is probably using ubuntu, though
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13:50<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
13:50<sney>cacum: /connect y /join #ubuntu-es
13:50<eightyeight>cacum: the #ubuntu on is where you need to be
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13:51<eightyeight>sney: how did you know he was running ubuntu?
13:51<sney>because he's one of those spaniard kids
13:51<_x90>lol generalisation or what
13:51<sney>they're all running ubuntu on netbooks, and they show up here because it's the first thing on the list in xchat
13:52<sney>it's been something of a phenomenon lately.
13:52<bremner_>poor spain, its the new AOL
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13:58<ml|>eightyeight: /ctcp nick version works most of the time to show if a person is using ubuntu, but we know about those kids coming here ;)
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14:01*muzy is using ubuntu also
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14:01<muzy>debian is just the OS I use on most of the servers
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14:04<media>Is it possible to somehow have LANG set to fr_CA.UTF8 (for example) for anything that uses DISPLAY and LANG=C or LANG=en_US for anything else?
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14:12<prahal>hi I do not get any updates from debian server (us and fr) for a week and cannot reach No issues on your side ?
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14:12<prahal>any other site is fine
14:13<prahal>well still it could be an ipv6 issue (I have an ipv6 enabled network)
14:14<ml|>no issues here, using us
14:15<prahal>ok I ll try a few more things on my side . Thanks for the info
14:16<babilen>prahal: Thats OK - ries (ftpmaster) is down and currently in repair. Check and mails on debian-devel
14:16<babilen>prahal: Or rather: It's nothing *you* should worry about :)
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14:17<prahal>you mean updates should works ?
14:17<prahal>because I get the diff but they are marked as ignored
14:17<babilen>prahal: No, they are not working at the moment, but there is nothing *you* can do.
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14:17<prahal>ok thank you
14:17<babilen>prahal: Read the mails
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14:23<prahal>ok thanks a lot . sorry for the lack of ML checking . I started reading debian user ML then stoppped and forgot I did not checked it all nor the others
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14:25<ml|>prahal: sorry I misunderstood
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14:26<amandina>does -seen work on this channel?
14:27<petemc_>yes, via dpkg
14:27<ml|>amandina: /msg dpkg seen nick
14:27<amandina>thank you
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14:30<lam>Hi! (I'm marga from my brother's computer) I'm having trouble with an udev rule that is giving me syntax error. Can anyone tell me what's the problem?
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14:35<babilen>lam: ENV{x11_options.EmulateTwoFingerMinZ="40"} should probably be ENV{x11_options.EmulateTwoFingerMinZ}="40" (same for the others)
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14:36<lam>babilen, thanks!
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14:37<lam>I need to disconnect to check this
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14:42<lam>It worked! :)
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14:46<Hiraghm>is there anyone here who can help me with a problem?
14:46<mocra>hiraghm, sure
14:46<Hiraghm>I just tried upgrading from squeeze to sid
14:46<Hiraghm>I need to wget | apt-key -
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14:47<Hiraghm>but I understand that is down indefinitely?
14:47<babilen>lam: :)
14:48<themill>Hiraghm: that step is not required for upgrading from squeeze to sid at all. Where did you get that idea from?
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14:50<Hiraghm>this guide for going from lenny to squeeze/sid
14:51<Hiraghm>it doesn't matter, I guess.
14:51<ml|>dpkg: testing->unstable
14:51<dpkg>Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. See also <sid upgrade test>.
14:52<Hiraghm>how'm I supposed to develop opengl apps if I can't get the stupid video card to do 3D?
14:53<Hiraghm>lenny had problems with my ati card, squeeze had problems with my ati card, and I'd read that they'd finally found a work-around in sid :(
14:53<themill>Hiraghm: be careful following random instructions on random websites of unknow quality that are over 12 months old. If you think you're able to run a development version of Debian, you shouldn't need a howto anyway.
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14:54<stsm>anyone happen to know how to point emsetup to an allready existing toolchain?
14:54<johfel>Hiraghm: The differences between sqeeze and sid are at the moment not very large: If it does not work with squeeze, the probability that it will work with sid is low.
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14:56<themill>well, fglrx and nvidia are big exceptions to the squeeze == sid rule
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14:56<ml|>can also try a testing/unstable mix /msg dpkg tum
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14:59<lam>I'm trying to install the nvidia drivers, but both in squeeze and sid it's giving me problems. In squeeze it wants to remove the xserver-core package (and the rest of X), and in sid it's uninstallable due to missing deps... Is there some how to make it work with current squeeze?
14:59<Hiraghm>maybe Linux should remain a console based os
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15:00<stsm>linux is all about choice :) and its NOT an OS
15:00<Hiraghm>after more than 15 years of chasing after it, I'm beginning to believe you
15:01<stsm>linux is just a kernel
15:01<stsm>you should know that after 15 years :p
15:01<themill>dpkg: tell lam about nvidia squeeze
15:01<ml|>lam: /msg dpkg nvidia squeeze ; but someone reported the same thing nvidia-libvdpau1-driver is not available atm
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15:02<Hiraghm>again, I'm beginning to believe that
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15:02<stsm>its not a mather of believing me, its just a simple fact
15:02<Hiraghm>if only I had a time machine, could go back to 1987, and push gates and jobs off a cliff
15:02<stsm>jobs is not THAT bad :p
15:02<Hiraghm>yes he is
15:02<stsm>at least not as bad as gates lol
15:03<lam>Well, it's kind of a mess. But I'll try some of that out
15:03<Hiraghm>if jobs and gates disappeared in 1987, the Amiga might have survived.
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15:03<stsm>if the earth disappeared 5 minutes ago...
15:04<ml|>lam: just follow the tum instructions exactly or you will run into problems
15:04*slush mubles smth about #debian-offtopic
15:04<stsm>gotta work with the reality we got
15:04<Hiraghm>which is why I took a chance upgrading to sid
15:04<Hiraghm>my web server is happily running etch
15:05<Hiraghm>I upgraded to squeeze because mangler didn't like lenny
15:05<Hiraghm>(on my linux desktop, not the server)
15:05<johfel>Hiraghm: just a short note: security support for etch has been stopped.
15:05<ml|>Hiraghm: still using etch?
15:06<lam>ml|, what tum instructions?
15:06<Hiraghm>yeah, only on my web server. I love it. every week or two I run synaptics
15:06<Hiraghm>other than that, I forget it
15:07<ml|>lam: the part from nvidia squeeze ... ask me about <tum> = /msg dpkg tum
15:08<ml|>lam: read nvidia squeeze carefully
15:08<Hiraghm>I've got a 32meg nvidia card I could replace the ATI with, but A) I'd have to give up 4Story, and B) apparently there's problems with the nvidia drivers too?
15:09<ml|>Hiraghm: testing and unstable are used for a reason
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15:10<Hiraghm>welp, I installed the new ati driver and glxgears gets a segfault
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15:12<Hiraghm>okay, you've convinced me.
15:12<stsm>is it possible to tell emsetup where my external toolchain is at?
15:14<Hiraghm>I'll just have to either find another distribution (not that "U"-one) or learn to love Windows.
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16:14<ddilinger>i recently got a debian vps, and as part of my setup i installed ossec which is an applicatin that monitors security on the system. It is complaining regularly about processes hidden from /proc and i'm wondering how i can investigate that
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16:15<ddilinger>i dont think its anything series like a rootkit, but basically ps doesn't list any of the system level processes like i see on my desktop debian machine(init and whatnot)
16:15<sney>ddilinger: start by reading the docs of your ossec program
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16:15<ddilinger>well, ossec is just a way to point out the problem. i can see it plain as day with just ps
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16:16<sney>it's probably something related to how it's a vps and not actually running on a dedicated machine. virtualized guest OSes behave differently.
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16:17<sney>check for similar reports from other people using ossec and xen
16:17<ddilinger>hmm, ok thanks
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16:22<jhutchins_lt>My guess would be it's a side effect of running on a VM.
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17:14<stuckey>Does anyone know how to create a DVD from a folder?
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17:16<babilen>stuckey: Sure, you need a program for that. Take a look at brasero, k3b, wodim and growisofs. The former are Gnome/KDE programs and the latter programs on the CLI.
17:16<stuckey>babilen: I did "wodim foo" but that didn't make a dvd.
17:16<babilen>stuckey: If you want to create a movie DVD, you need to search for DVD authoring software. dvdauthor and videotrans might be wort a look
17:17<stuckey>babilen: it's just a folder of data
17:17<babilen>stuckey: I use growisofs most of the time ...
17:17<@Ganneff>use brasero or k3b
17:17<@Ganneff>that fits the "wodim foo" approach better
17:17<babilen>hehe :)
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17:18<stuckey>With cds I just do wodim foo and it works.
17:19<@Ganneff>no you dont
17:19<stuckey>Yes I do
17:19<@Ganneff>no you dont
17:21<stuckey>babilen: How do I use growisofs to make a dvd?
17:21<@Ganneff>the same way as you do it for a cd
17:21<@Ganneff>you generate an iso image, that you burn
17:22<stuckey>1. make an iso 2. wodim foo.iso 3. profit
17:22<@Ganneff>the exact same as for cds
17:22<@Ganneff>a dvd is nothing than an oversized cd
17:22<stuckey>How do I make an iso?
17:22<@Ganneff>you use k3b or brasero.
17:22<babilen>Ganneff: growisofs also accepts a list of files ...
17:22<@Ganneff>(or any other gui)
17:22<stuckey>I've never used either of those.
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17:23<stuckey>And I know I've burned cds before with wodim.
17:23<@Ganneff>babilen: right, probably, other tools should do that.
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17:23<@Ganneff>stuckey: then you downloaded an iso for that
17:23<stuckey>Perhaps yes... I already had the iso before.
17:23<babilen>stuckey: They work as well and are easy to use. I would suggest that you try them! If you still want to use growisofs -> read it's manpage
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17:23<stuckey>babilen: The thing is I like using the command line.
17:24<babilen>me too
17:24<@Ganneff>then read manpages
17:24<@Ganneff>its easy
17:24<@Ganneff>and tools had been pointed out
17:25<stuckey>What do I use to create an iso?
17:25<stuckey>(on the command line)
17:25<@Ganneff>read the backlog here
17:25<stuckey>Those aren't cli programs.
17:25<@Ganneff>yes there are
17:25<stuckey>Which one?
17:25<drewdavis>growisofs is
17:26<@Ganneff>even that was mentioned
17:26<stuckey>Oh okay
17:27<stuckey>How do I use growisofs to create an ISO?
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17:28<@Ganneff>read the manpage
17:28<stuckey>Ganneff: It doesn't say.
17:28<@Ganneff>yes it does
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17:28<stuckey>Ganneff: Please point out the relevant passage.
17:28<@Ganneff>it definitely does. go read it and you find it
17:28<stuckey>I don't think you are correct.
17:28<babilen>stuckey: Really! What does it help you if I copy a command from the manpage into this chat? And yes it says that. "man growisofs" PgDn -> first command
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17:29<@Ganneff>stuckey: sod off. one look, examples section. if you dont want to even read a simple page, please use windows
17:29<stuckey>babilen: Our pages must be different -- mine doesn't say that.
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17:31<babilen>stuckey: yes it does, need proof?
17:31<stuckey>babilen: Of course
17:31<babilen>stuckey: EXAMPLES -> growisofs -Z /dev/dvd -R -J /some/files
17:32<babilen>was that *really* necessary?
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17:32<stuckey>babilen: "To master and burn an ISO9660 volume with Joliet and Rock-Ridge exten- sions on a DVD or Blu-ray Disc
17:32<stuckey>I only want to master, assuming masters means "create an iso".
17:33<stuckey>But to master could be something complete different -- I'm only assuming that's the same thing as creating an iso image.
17:33<aguitel>i am running squeeze ( with grub2) and i have ubuntu +windows ,my question is how i hide windows in the grub menu ?
17:33<zerofrancisco>what about not just mounting, but making an foo.iso bootable? like installing without any media (usb, cd/dvd)
17:33<babilen>aguitel: Ask #ubuntu
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17:34<aguitel>babilen, why ubuntu if i am in squeeze
17:34<babilen>aguitel: sorry - the U keyword :)
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17:36<sney>all the grub settings are in /etc/grub.d
17:36<jhutchins_lt>aguitel: Why do you want to hide it?
17:37<jhutchins_lt>aguitel: There may be a better solution to what you're trying to do.
17:37<aguitel>jhutchins_lt, i need to hide windows in the grub menu
17:37<jhutchins_lt>aguitel: I saw what you asked, why?
17:38<aguitel>jhutchins_lt, tp prevent my son to run windows
17:38<stuckey>babilen: genisoimage -o foo.iso bar/ where foo is the name you want for you .iso file and bar is the name of the directory.
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17:38<jhutchins_lt>aguitel: Would it be sufficient to set a password for the grub menu so that he could not choose which OS loaded?
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17:39<babilen>stuckey: yes?
17:39<aguitel>jhutchins_lt, maybe
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17:40<aguitel>jhutchins_lt, but if he see windws maby they ask to me why not load
17:40<stuckey>babilen: Yes, I am correct.
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17:40<jhutchins_lt>aguitel: So tell him.
17:40<babilen>stuckey: Correct about what?
17:40<stuckey>babilen: That's what I was looking for -- how to make an iso.
17:40<stuckey>That's one way of doing it.
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17:41<jhutchins_lt>aguitel: I believe there's a way to keep grub2 from finding windows when it updates, but I'm not sure either where to make permanent changes or where to prevent it from finding windows. I know it can be done.
17:41<jhutchins_lt>aguitel: Problem is, you would have to reconfigure it if you wanted to load windows.
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17:41<aguitel>jhutchins_lt, no problem
17:41<babilen>stuckey: No you were looking for "Does anyone know how to create a DVD from a folder" - I told you how to *burn* a DVD that contains a set of given files ..
17:41<ml|>that can be done, but will also remove ubuntu
17:42<aguitel>ml|, i know this problem
17:42<ml|>aguitel: and that's fine with you?
17:42<aguitel>ml|, if i do chmod -x 30_os-prober
17:42<stuckey>babilen: That's not exactly correct.
17:43<aguitel>ml|, better to stay debian+ubuntu
17:43<babilen>stuckey: Stop using anaphora that are not easily resolvable - What is "That's" ?
17:43<ml|>aguitel: yes I know what to do; just asking
17:43<stuckey>That's -- a contraction for that is.
17:43<aguitel>ml|, need to hide windows in the menu
17:43<stuckey>How can I tell what the capacity of a blank dvd is?
17:44<ml|>aguitel: I don't know a way or that it can be done, it's debian only or all
17:44<stuckey>I've created an image that's 4.701 GB -- and the disc I have are 4.7. Will it fit?
17:44<ml|>aguitel: there is another way, but it should not be done
17:44<babilen>stuckey: Read about anaphora, you will understand. This is pointless. If you want to know how to create an ISO from a set of given files, then you have to ask specifically about that. I told you how to burn these files to a disc, because I assumed that this is what you wanted to do.
17:45<aguitel>ml|, ok
17:45<stuckey>babilen: You told me to read man pages.
17:45<aguitel>ml|, if i add some line in:40_custom file ?
17:47<ml|>aguitel: it might be possible to write your own script to do that, but like I said I can't help; there is another option, but you have to manually edit a file that should not be edited
17:47<aguitel>ml|, what file to edit ?
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17:48<GeorgeDorn>gowisofs has an "overburn" option. Wont that do?
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17:49<stuckey>GeorgeDorn: Well if the disc doesn't have room won't that cause problems?
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17:49<ml|>aguitel: do it at your own risk, don't blame if you mess something up; /boot/grub/grub.cfg and removed the windows entries; also needs to be repeated each time grub gets updated
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17:49<ml|>or grub-update2 is run
17:49<GeorgeDorn>Read the manpage. It says a dvd can contain 4.377. But as stuckey said. It' at your own risk.
17:50<stuckey>GeorgeDorn: Heh? I thought it was 4.7
17:51<GeorgeDorn>stuckey: Yeah, it's new to me too. But it's right there in the manpage. Maybe som players or drives will have touble. I don't know for sure.
17:51*stuckey wants his full 4.7GB.
17:52<aguitel>ml|, is a script
17:52<stuckey>wodim: WARNING: Data may not fit on current disk.
17:52*kop blames "marketing megabytes", now an iso standard.
17:52<ml|>aguitel: what is?
17:52<stuckey>I still get that even thouh it's only 4.3gb now
17:53<aguitel>ml|, script file
17:53<stuckey>Eh, 4.397
17:53<ml|>aguitel: what isa script file?
17:53<MichelleZ>4.7 is the raw capacity, does not include file system overhead that eats some of your available space
17:53<stuckey>So I've got to get at or below 4.377?
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17:55<ml|>stuckey: if you want to burn something, yes
17:55<GeorgeDorn>Well, how expensive is DVD? Anyway you could try with the -dry-run option first.
17:56<ml|>man man :)
17:56<stuckey>I'm a cheap bastard
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18:04<samantha-c>i'm getting an error from the kernel about a wireless nic needing firmware to operate and being unable to find. how can i disable the nic in the kernel without pulling the nic? the thing actually working is *NOT* required. phy0 -> rt2x00lib_request_firmware: Error - Failed to request Firmware.
18:04<crazyb0y>hello i have strange problem with mysqld init script in squeeze, the mysql daemon doesn't stop correctly after executing /etc/init.d/mysqld stop
18:05<ml|>crazyb0y: have you checked bts?
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18:05<crazyb0y>ml|: bts ?
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18:05<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges
18:05<crazyb0y>ml|: oh thank you let me check it
18:08<crazyb0y>no there's no bug like my problem
18:08<ml|>crazyb0y: if you don't find one /msg dpkg reportbug and use it to report that issue; also read the last sentence of what dpkg just said about 'bts'
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18:14<stuckey>Do I have to mount a cdrom manually or does it get mounted automatically when you insert a cd?
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18:14<azeem>stuckey: that depends on your setup
18:15<stuckey>azeem: no DE
18:16<ml|>stuckey: if you did not set anything up; you have to mount it; I find pmount useful
18:16<stuckey>How do I access a DVD that is already inserted into thd drive.
18:16<stuckey>what's the /dev/* location?
18:17<ml|>stuckey: look
18:17<stuckey>ml|: look where?
18:17<ml|>in /dev it will be apparent when you look
18:18<stuckey>ml|: Looking and it isn't apparent.
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18:18<ml|>you don't see /dev/dvd or /dev/dvdrw ?
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18:19<stuckey>ml|: Yes I see those
18:19<ml|>well then
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18:19<stuckey>ml|: Well what?
18:19<ml|>stuckey: nvm; good luck
18:20<stuckey>Why do I have an entry for /dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 in fstab. Wouldn't that mount automatically?
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18:21<ml|>that's just a mount point
18:22<ml|>you should be able to mount it as a user
18:22<stuckey>ml|: So all I needed to do was "mount /dev/sdc0".
18:22<crazyb0y>ml|: i found the bug, thanks a lot
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18:23<crazyb0y>but there's no solution about this bug =(
18:23<stuckey>All my file names on the dvd are different than the original folder. They all got shortered and made lowercase.
18:25<ml|>stuckey: you can as root just do 'mount /media/cdrom0'
18:25<stuckey>ml|: or user
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18:25<adb>stuckey, doing your personal dvd is offtopic
18:26<stuckey>adb: What?
18:26<adb>can't read ?
18:27<adb>23:33<jhutchins_lt> stuckey: I think it's a bit ironic that your problems stem from torrenting pirated music files.
18:27<ml|>stuckey: yes, should not had brought root into this ;)
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18:29<lam>Hi! I'm now trying to install nouveau drivers. I've added experimental in my sources.list and tried installing xserver-xorg-video-nouveau, however, it depends on linux-nouveau-modules which is not available... Does anyone know how to get that to work?
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18:36<MichelleZ>lam, is that by chance a package that gets created via module assistant, m-a so you need to run that and let that build the kernel module and package it for you
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18:39<lam>MichelleZ, yeah, I was thinking that too, but I didn't find what I should give to m-a
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18:43<ml|>crazyb0y: did you reply to that bug?
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18:44<ml|>crazyb0y: if you haven't, read this to reply...
18:45<gernot>Hi. A friend of mine is a working from home relying heavily on voip. Her employer demands that she does not use wifi because it's too unstable. It seems perfectly stable but it's still a general criticism of the technology. What would be a good way to test for the alleged instability?
18:46<gernot>I assume we're talking about packet loss here and that there's probably something more sophisticated than ping out there.
18:46<ml|>for voip it's best to use a nic and not wifi
18:46<stsm>gernot, if the signal gets disrupted etc... it causes trouble
18:47<stsm>gernot, its caled work for a reason
18:47<stsm>they pay her, so they make the rules
18:47<gernot>Yes, yes. This got me curious too though :)
18:47<bremner_>what is a good tool do simple tcp throughput benchmarking?
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18:49<stsm>gernot, btw how does the employer know what kind of connection she uses?
18:49<gernot>There are no obvious disruptions. She even got a 5GHz router to avoid interference. Also there hasn't actually been trouble at all. If it wasn't too complicated I would really like to measure a difference.
18:49<stsm>just curious
18:50<stsm>gernot, the point is the signal can be disrupted by events not happening when you do the test
18:50<gernot>stsm, she told them because it was fine in the past.
18:50<stsm>the employer will probably argue this aswell
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18:50*stsm facepalms very hard
18:51<ml|>bremner_: I see nttcp in aptitude and a couple others are there as well
18:51<stsm>unless they asked her first
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18:51<gernot>The employer thing isn't a big deal really. It's just the backstory.
18:51<stsm>ah ok :)
18:51<bremner_>ml|: thanks, there is also nuttcp. I guess I will just try.
18:52<ml|>bremner_: oops that what I meant; typo ;)
18:52<ml|>good to know if I ever need to use one
18:53<gernot>So in general -- since you are aware of wifi problems -- what would you call that? are those disruptions causing packet loss?
18:53<ml|>bremner_: after you try them out can you share your findings please?
18:54<gernot>By the way, it this too far off-topic? Don't want to annoy anybody here.
18:54<stsm>gernot, google tells me iperf may be what you are looking fore
18:54<stsm>gernot, please let us know how you like it, curious myself about it
18:54<ml|>there is #debian-offtopic :)
18:54<gernot>stsm, great i'll check it out. Thanks a lot.
18:55<stsm>gernot, no prob:
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18:55<gernot>ml|, the question is whether this was #debian-offtopic worthy. :)
18:55<stsm>it wouldnt hurt i guess :)
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18:58<ml|>stsm: that looks good btw, thanks
18:58<stsm>ml|, yeah i agree, shoudl you try it, let me know how you like it, i wanna try it sometime too
18:59<ml|>bremner_: did you see the above?
18:59<bremner_>ml|: Yes
18:59<ml|>ok :)
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19:33<gernot>stsm, iperf really seems to be just the right tool indeed. I can't measure any difference between wired and wifi in terms of packet loss though. I can apparently provoke packet loss with the bandwidth option but it's always the same for wired/wifi. Gotta read more about it. Thanks again.
19:34<stsm>gernot, especially if you mess with the connection :D
19:34<stsm>oops sorry for capslock
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19:34<stsm>but join #debian-offtopic if you have more questions about it :)
19:35<gernot>Will do
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19:35<Worf_>i recommend measuring packet loss during lunch-prepare time :)
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19:36<stsm>its not really that he had to measure it for some reason, it was more out of curiosity because some employer didnt allow wifi for voip
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20:10<uboats>when would debian include solang???
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20:14<sney>uboats: when it gets submitted as a wishlist bug, approved, and assigned a maintainer. just like anything else
20:14<stsm>because it provides choice i guess
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20:14<stsm>since when if choice bad?
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20:14<gsimmons>uboats: Actually, when upstream issues are fixed, see Debian bug #547506.
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20:15<uboats>gsimmons, sney thanks
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20:15<stsm>oh sorry i read why instead of when :D
20:15*stsm is silly
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20:16<stsm>solang is looking really good going from a screenshot uboats
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20:18<uboats>stsm, yes, but debian now does not supply the dependencies........
20:18<uboats>stsm, so none of those solang versions can be successively compiled
20:18<stsm>uboats, sorry i'm no dev can't help on that one
20:19<uboats>stsm, that's ok :)
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20:20<uboats>stsm, so if solang has a good dependency support in debian, then I can reintroduce it into unstable???
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20:21<abrotman>uboats: are you going to maintain the package?
20:22<danzo>hi jmm
20:22<stsm>uboats, i dunno the first thing about debian developing / packaging so i'm kindof the wrong guy to ask sorry
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20:23<uboats>abrotman, I want to have a try, never have such an experience before. And I've tried all those released sources packages from gnome, and find that debian lacks so many mm(like libgtkmm) packages and others
20:23<dpkg>The New Maintainer's Guide (, Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see
20:24<uboats>stsm, that' all right, thank u
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20:25<uboats>so, even the oldest 0.1 version of solang, I failed to compile it.
20:26<uboats>however, I just find that only the lastest ubuntu contains solang
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20:29<astartoth>hi all, any good resource on replacing hal with udev?
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20:31<uboats>astartoth, udev?
20:32<uboats>astartoth, when my debian is booting, there are many messages shows that something would be removed from udev......
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20:32<astartoth>udev will replace hal.
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20:33<User_007>had Sqeeze frozen?
20:33<astartoth>ubuntu 10.04 doesn't ship hal anymore, so, I want to begin to learn more about udev.
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20:34<themill>astartoth: really?
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20:36<ml|>iirc hal is not needed for X in testing
20:37<astartoth>yep. but one has to learn more about udev rules.
20:38<User_007>had Squeeze Frozen?
20:38<ml|> User_007 no
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20:43<ml|>astartoth: you should find some info in ... /usr/share/doc/udev/
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20:51<grimnar>I think Im going crazy, at every boot, my hard drives changes from /dev/sda too /dev/sdc and so on
20:52<grimnar>Swaps around all the time
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20:52<dpkg>[uuid] Universally Unique IDentifier, used to reference disk partitions (among other things). See currently known partition UUIDs with `blkid'. In /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. Helps to cope with device name changes such as hda->sda (<libata> transition) or changes in USB disk order discovery. <LVM> tools accept PV/VG/LV UUIDs as arguments, use {pv,vg,lv}display to acquire.
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20:53<grimnar>is menu.lst still used?
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20:53<uboats>grimnar, no
20:53<ml|>grimnar: only for grub-legacy
20:54<grimnar>excactly, so the uuid info is kinda deprecated
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20:54<uboats>dpkg, compared to /dev/xxx, what's the benefit of uuid?
20:54<dpkg>uboats: no idea
20:55<grimnar>cause the uuid info mentions menu.lst?
20:55<grimnar>I wish I could use menu.lst of course! Best grub ever :D
20:55<ml|>oh you mean the dpkg factiod
20:55<danzo>jmm - hi
20:55<ml|>still fine for grub-legacy users
20:56<grimnar>yeah, I know
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20:56<grimnar>The lucky ones
20:56<grimnar>But how can I fix this, since I dont use menu.lst then?
20:56<grimnar>(without downgrading even further)
20:56<ml|>grub2 uses uuid by default
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20:57<grimnar>So where do I insert the data then?
20:57<grimnar>And how do I find it?
20:57<grimnar>the uuid's
20:57<ml|>you need to use UUID in fstab
20:57<grimnar>I figured that one after I wrote the line
20:58<ml|>like UUID=blah / ....
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20:59<ml|>blkid like dpkg just said to fine that info out
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20:59<ml|>using UUID is great imho
21:00<grimnar>Yeah that might be, but was there any problems with the way it worked before? Like when the disks stopped swappin around
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21:01<grimnar>Meaning, never had this problems in grub1
21:02<grimnar>(yet another reason why I really hate grub2)
21:02<grimnar>So to be clear about this uuid in fstab, I should remove /dev/sdX and replace it with the uuids?
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21:03<ml|>have you changed your disks around recently?
21:03<uboats>i dont like uuid, if u format a disk, then uuid would change and u have to update the grub otherwise, u can not mount some partitions
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21:03<grimnar>ml|: Yeah I had to
21:03<ml|>grimnar: that's the reason
21:04<ml|>not grub2 fault
21:04<grimnar>ml|: heh, no. I had to, cause It was swappin around
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21:04<grimnar>ml|: Then at one boot It finally was in place, and now I just booted, without doing anything, and it swapped again
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21:04<grimnar>So still, I blame grub
21:05<grimnar>uboats: shit, I thought it was some kind of hw uuid, like MAC
21:07<uboats>grimnar, u can have a try, even in grub-lagecy
21:07<grimnar>I dont use legacy
21:07<ml|>grimnar: just use UUID in fstab and if you ever make or change disk stuff update the file, not that hard
21:07<uboats>grimnar, u can not remove /dev/sdX
21:08<grimnar>ml|: The point is, why go away from a "human readable" name to something like uuids. Who the hell remembers the numbers
21:08<uboats>grimnar, u can find the relationship between uuid and /dev/sdX in /dev/disk/by-uuid
21:09<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
21:09<uboats>grimnar, u r right, so i just use sdX
21:09<ml|>grimnar: use labels if you want then, but I prefer UUID
21:09<grimnar>Yeah, but my /dev/sdX is swappin around all the time, thus making a raid1 controller go mad
21:09<ml|>that's why there is blkid to get the info
21:10<grimnar>I see
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21:11<grimnar>So Im going try the uuid on the raid disks. Then /dev/sda would be left alone I hope.
21:11<uboats>ml|, yeah, I find it
21:11<grimnar>heh, /dev/sda1: UUID="c53b0035-a68c-6c96-9082-ceb3d65e5090" TYPE="linux_raid_member"
21:11<ml|>I don't know much about raid, but is that your card moving things around or something else?
21:11<grimnar>ah, sorry
21:11<grimnar>I dont know
21:11<uboats>ml|, why it begins with 8:x
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21:12<ml|>uboats: what begins with 8:x?
21:12<uboats>ml|, blkid
21:13<wald0>i can do a "chroot" in a chroot environment from my user ? (and being root inside it)
21:13<uboats>why not 1:x
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21:14<ml|>uuid is some random stuff, not like say /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2 etc...
21:14<ml|>dpkg: uuid
21:14<dpkg>[uuid] Universally Unique IDentifier, used to reference disk partitions (among other things). See currently known partition UUIDs with `blkid'. In /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. Helps to cope with device name changes such as hda->sda (<libata> transition) or changes in USB disk order discovery. <LVM> tools accept PV/VG/LV UUIDs as arguments, use {pv,vg,lv}display to acquire.
21:14<uboats>ml|, I mean block id
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21:15<ml|>uboats: I don't understand
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21:16<uboats>ml|, what's the block idx begins with in your debian
21:16<grimnar>So how do I insert the uuid in mdadm.conf?
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21:18<ml|>grimnar: the man page may help ;)
21:18<grimnar>google does not give me any examples :)
21:19<grimnar>:) = :(
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21:43<stsm>i'm following this:
21:44<stsm>dpkg -i *.deb this gives me a bunch of errors
21:44<dpkg>package *.deb this gives me a bunch of errors is already installed
21:44<GeorgeDorn>Window hide 3
21:45<stsm>libc6-dev-mips-cross depends on libc6-mips-cross (= 2.7-18lenny2); however:
21:45<brlancer>how do I track down stuck keys? My company gave me a laptop and I put squeeze on it and it periodically has stuck keys -- shift, alt, ctrl, win -- right now, EVERY time I hit the win key, it gets "stuck" and I have to hit it on the laptop keypad to release it
21:45<stsm>libc6-dev-mips-cross depends on libc6-mips-dcv1; however:
21:46<abrotman>brlancer: gnome ?
21:46<brlancer>abrotman: fluxbox
21:46<stsm>however packages are not installed of course
21:46<abrotman>i know that gnome has some 'accessibility' tools that do that
21:46<stsm>i can pastebin the intire thing if needed
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21:48<brlancer>abrotman: I use XDM, even :)
21:48<brlancer>I use synergy for keyboard/mouse sharing but it does sometimes happen without it
21:49<stsm>^ full output
21:49<brlancer>much much less ofter, but still happens
21:49<stsm>i did *all.deb so the mips packages would not be tried
21:51<brlancer>abrotman: and I did a full-upgrade this past week and the stuck windows key is constant
21:51<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges
21:51<brlancer>I also always have a stuck hyper_l and super_r key
21:57<wald0>i can do a "chroot" in a chroot environment from my user ? (and being root inside it)
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22:04<stsm>when i continue and try to build gcc4.3 i get this:
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22:28<cmorillo>Sometimes when I'm on, when you click the screen it's supposed to pause the video, but doesn't seem to respond. And say when I click the volume control, it doesn't work.. it doesn't respond. The video plays fine, and the interaction with the controls sort of doesn't work. I tried Opera just to see if it's the browser, but the same. I believe this is a flash/adobe problem. Has anyone heard/had this problem?
22:30<sney>the amd64 adobe flash plugin is prone to funky behaviour
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22:31<sney>because it's the 32-bit one running in some kind of emulation layer. adobe's fault. supposedly there is a native 64-bit one coming down the pipe gradually though, so it'll be fixed in some time
22:31<cmorillo>I see. Would you recommend going with the 32bit version for now?
22:32<sney>there isn't really a fix unless you use gnash. I'd just wait it out. flash isn't that important.
22:32<wald0>how i can run a script from user that will have root permissions ? is that the SUID thing for ? it does works with scripts or only binaries ?
22:32<sney>and it kinda works, besides.
22:32<sney>wald0: yep
22:33<wald0>sney: for scripts too ?
22:33<sney>(that's what setuid is for. it's also a security hole, so tread carefully.)
22:34<wald0>security hole only if my script is "buggy" or hacky-prone, right ?
22:34<wald0>im trying it (script running the command "whoami") but not looks like to work
22:35<cmorillo>sney, So should I give the Gnash SWF Viewer a try? Deinstall Adobe Flash and Install Gnash SWF Viewe.
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22:35<sney>cmorillo: if you want. but you'll be trading performance for better buttons. it's just a choice.
22:35<ml|>no need to remove adove flash, just use the alternative system
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22:37<cmorillo>I'll give it a try.. this inability of controlling the media I'm watching is frustrating.
22:38<ml|>cmorillo: update-alternatives --config
22:38<ml|>after you install another flash alternative
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22:38<wald0>i see, only with binary compiled files works the SUID thing
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22:39<ml|>cmorillo: another option is to use cclive to download youtube videos and some other sites and use mplayer for example to view them
22:40<ml|>or some other like youtube-dl
22:41<cmorillo>I see.. thanks a bunch for the tips.
22:41<cmorillo>This Totem Movie Player has a YouTube sidebar as well..
22:42<cmorillo>All sorts of workarounds to choose from I guess.. sort of surprised Adobe hasn't taken care of this issue. It's pretty obvious and out there.
22:42<cmorillo>Not hard to spot is what I'm saying.
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22:55<bremner_>ml|: it seems that nuttcp works behind NAT while iperf does not. Or at least I couldn't figure out how to make iperf do bidirectional traffic measurements without port forwarding.
22:56<ml|>bremner_: ok, thank for feedback, I appreciate it :)
22:57<bremner_>ml|: welcome
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23:03<MyWifeIs19>I am trying to build active noise controll for my mom's apartment(near a hi-way. fairly regular road noise.) Is there any pre-packaged software to do this, or maybe combine effects from sox? BTW, she need ANC only on her bed and sitting area, not the whole apt...
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23:05<My-Computer>i need to know the syntax for synaptic package manager install through terminal
23:05<brlancer>sney: the 64b adobe flash doesn't always handle mouse clicks properly; if you hold down the middle or right button when you click with the left, it works properly
23:06<ml|>My-Computer: aptitude update && aptitude install synaptic
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23:07<ml|>dpkg: tell My-Computer about reference
23:09<My-Computer>im good thanx
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23:15<sney>MyWifeIs19: check, that's usually where you can find specialized software like that
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