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00:01<johnfg>twb, Ok, I'll look and let you know what I find.
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00:04<bike>Is there any app script or anything that could detect what packages are installed trough binaries on the system and build a dpkg database?
00:04<dondelelcaro>bike: you can do that using apt-file and similar; there's nothing written that does that specifically, though
00:05<twb>bike: did you blat your dpkg database?
00:05<dondelelcaro>bike: if you have /usr/share/doc intact, you can just reinstall everything there; alternatively, you may be able to restore from /var/backups... however if you tell us exactly what has happened, we may be able to give you better instructions
00:05<bike>ok thanks i`ll look into it, actually im pondering building an apt system for amigia unix packages. which uses a bastardized netbsd kernel in a library
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00:06<bike>but so far i only have binary packages in my gnu distro
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00:06<bike>and i dont want to track down every single one
00:07<twb>Sounds excitingly obtuse
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00:08<bike>twb, heh , no i can assure you its all great fun .... especially with no fork()
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00:25<johnfg>twb, it was something weird where apt hadn't closed cleanly, or something. After a reboot, I was able to get it done.
00:25<twb>My interest in helping PHP weenies is negligible.
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00:39<ml|>linuxguy: /msg dpkg nvidia squeeze and again! /msg dpkg selftell ;P
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00:41<EmleyMoor>Is there any good program for spanning a large file across DVDs?
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00:43<EmleyMoor>(something that can emulate a tape streamer and be pointed to packet write UDF DVDs maybe?
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00:44<dr|z3d>EmleyMoor: See if apt-cache search backup yields anything.
00:44<linuxguy>ml|, it didnt work before was using different irc chat........I will have to look laters cos im getting some shut eye now
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00:44<sney>I think tar can split files, and DVDs are a constant size
00:45<EmleyMoor>dr|z3d: cdbackup but from experience I know it produces unrecoverable images
00:45<twb>EmleyMoor: split(1)
00:46<twb>If you have a lot of small files, rather than a single large file, you may want to investigate "backpack" algorithms.
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00:47<EmleyMoor>split is fine as far as it goes but still leaves a lot to be done
00:47<twb>And more generally, backup solutions like amanda and bacula probably addrsess your wider goal of "I want to do a backup to DVDs" or whatever.
00:48<EmleyMoor>twb: I cannot get to grips with amanda or bacula - just looking for a decent way to handle flexbackup-generated data
00:49<twb>I'm afraid I can't help you.
00:49<twb>I don't use backup solutions that require media swapping, because they are too fragile -- they depend on a human remembering to swap the media.
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00:50<EmleyMoor>I don't at present have the money to do anything else
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00:50<twb>You don't have two sites with hard disks, both connected to the `net?
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00:51<EmleyMoor>No - I have only one site
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01:27<Ek|mu5>Hello all
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02:12<twb>Is it just me, or have there been basically no updates to unstable in the last few of days?
02:13<vook>same here
02:13<franki^>I was thinking the same!
02:13<franki^>I was kind of worried about it too
02:13<franki^>Like, maybe I'd broken APT :|
02:13<twb>I checked by adding ftp.d.o to my sources.list temporarily
02:13<twb>But nope
02:14<vook>anyone have any experience getting networking to work in SheepShaver (getting the sheep_net module to compile)? just really bored, thought I'd try to get SimTower going...
02:14<twb>Is SheepShaver even in Debian?
02:14<vook>no, had to compile it from cvs
02:15<twb>vook: there appears to be an Ubuntu PPA, fwiwi
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02:23<jm_>twb: read the topic
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02:26<emkuf>ok I installed Debian with no desktop just the base system I restart and now I want to get xfce4 on there what do I need to do?
02:26<jm_>install it
02:26<franki^>"aptitude install xfce4"
02:26<franki^>Or something similar
02:27<emkuf>what is the comand all I see it username@username:~$
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02:27<nostmith>su -
02:27<twb>jm_: I thought it only affected the NEW queue
02:27<franki^>If you're going to install Debian without a desktop, lrn2apt :)
02:28<twb>franki^: it that hakspek, or an actual package name.
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02:28<jm_>twb: all updates if I understand it correctly
02:28<twb>jm_: OK, thanks.
02:29<emkuf>well it has no windows manager
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02:29<emkuf>err desktop enviroment
02:29<jm_>!tell emkuf about newbie
02:29<twb>emkuf: you want to install the X server and XFCE4 metapackages.
02:29<franki^>twb: Heh, yes, I apologise, I was leetspeaking. :(
02:29<jm_>!tell emkuf -about grounding
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02:30<twb>emkuf: these packages are "xorg" and "xfce4".
02:30<emkuf>i take it I need both
02:31<emkuf>xorg is xserver right?
02:31<franki^>Isn't xorg a dependency for xfce?
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02:31<twb>franki^: it is not, because X is network-transparent.
02:31<twb>You could easily have XFCE4 installed on your thinclient server, and Xorg installed on your thin clients.
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02:32<franki^>Ah, so you could run xfce4 locally on X over a network? :o
02:32<twb>There may be a Recommends now, but last time I checked you needed to ask for both.
02:32<emkuf>so sudo apt-get install xfce ?
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02:32<franki^>You're probably right, it's been a while since I installed Debian
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02:33<franki^>emkuf: I think that you should use aptitude, but apt-get will work
02:33<nostmith>emkuf, as root: aptitude update && aptitude install xorg xfce4
02:34<nostmith>emkuf, if you're going to use sudo add your user to the sudo group. as root: usermod -G sudo your_user_name
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02:35<nostmith>!tell emkuf about sudo
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02:36<emkuf>do i need to add myself as root if I just use su then a password
02:37<twb>nostmith: that should probably be "adduser fred sudo"
02:37<franki^>No, you don't need to add yourself to any group to use su
02:37<nostmith>emkuf, if you use su you don't need sudo anyway
02:38<nostmith>twb, both are ok i think
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02:39<emkuf>ok installations done got what I need but its still at the comand line interface
02:40<emkuf>I remeber it was something like start xserver or something
02:40<twb>Or you could install an X display manager -- I thought the xfce4 metapackage pulled in gdm.
02:41<twb>"X display manager" = graphical login
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02:41<emkuf>now it just looks like a failsafe terminal
02:42<nostmith>emkuf, used startx?
02:42<nostmith>try gdm after killing the x server
02:43<twb>emkuf: that's because startx doesn't know that you want to run xfce4
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02:43<twb>emkuf: the simplest solution is to install a display manager.
02:44<nostmith>emkuf, was gdm installed?
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02:44<emkuf>doubt is since I installed without a desktop enviroment
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02:45<nostmith>emkuf, check with: aptitude show gdm. should say if is installed or not. if not as root: aptitude install gdm
02:46<emkuf>status not installed
02:46<twb>Rather, "aptitude search '?provides(x-display-manager)'", and see if any are in i (installed) sate
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02:50<emkuf>I dont ant gnome =/
02:50<twb>emkuf: gdm is not gnome.
02:51<nostmith>emkuf, considering the fact that you will use xfce, i think gdm is still recommended in this case, but if that will pull too many dependencies, you can just try xdm
02:52<meowcats>ive been using slim with xfce
02:52<meowcats>it works nice
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02:52<nostmith>though slim "is particularly suitable for machines that don't require remote logins."
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02:54<twb>meowcats: do you invoke slim from inittab, or what?
02:54<twb>I wouldn't worry about that -- gdm has dropped support for XDMCP, too.
02:58<meowcats>twb couldnt say, slim was working after apt-get and i havnt read the man page
02:59<twb>It appears to be init-based, contrary to historical slim docs
03:00<meowcats>doesnt require gnome dependencies and looks nicer than xdm :)
03:01<twb>FSVO nicer
03:01<twb>xdm looks fantastic when you set it to plain white-on-black
03:02<dpkg>i guess fsvo is For Some Values Of. For Small Values Of
03:03<meowcats>screen shot of white on black?
03:04<twb>I don't run xdm anymore, because it doesn't support the null password.
03:04<twb>And KMS is fast enough that I can tolerate booting X on demand anyway
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03:06<meowcats>thanks, maybe i will have another look at xdm next time i feel like doing fresh install :0
03:07<franki^>Is it really any faster/lighter than gdm in any noticeable way?
03:07<meowcats>If you dont want gnome stuffs, yes
03:08<meowcats>faster? im not so sure
03:08<franki^>Hmm, true, it does have a fair few depends
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03:13<twb>xdm is certainly lighter than gdm ;-)
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03:48<cmatheson>i'm trying to install debian onto a system that has an existing LVM volume. i've chosen "configure Logical volumes" from the partman menu, but it's telling me that partitions will be written to disk and vg0 will be formatted--is it going to destroy all the data in my logical volumes on vg0?
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03:53<twb>cmatheson: choose "manual partition" instead, and you'll be confident of what is happening
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03:54<cmatheson>twb: i did choose manual paritition (as opposed to guided?), or is there a more manual method?
03:54<twb>Oh, right.
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03:54<twb>Then: I don't know what will happen.
03:55<cmatheson>twb: ok, i'll try expert mode. thanks!
03:56<twb>I think you'll still be as uncertian.
03:56<twb>I'd be making a dummy host in a VM and seeing what heppened
03:56<twb>Or waiting for someone else to respond, of course.
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04:02<cmatheson>twb: oh ok, thanks a bunch (i'll start in expert mode in the meantime just in case it is better for me)
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04:07<cmatheson> makes me think i'll be safe, if ubuntu 8.04 behaves the same as lenny during install
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04:09<twb>I didn't want to give any assurances
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04:09<twb>Not when a wrong memory would cause data loss
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04:11<twb>WTF are these?
04:11<twb>PANIC: TCB already set in pid 26651 [preattached child 26893 of 24653 in weird state!]
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04:11<twb>I'm getting them in a pbuilder login session.
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04:15<cmatheson>twb: ok thanks, it did work out for me.
04:15<cmatheson>i've never seen those panics before
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04:16<twb>Seems to be from strace
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04:16<twb>I wish pbuilder would Just Work with lxc, so I could pkill inside the pbuilder with abandon
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04:18<yp>what's this?
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04:19<twb>yp: CJK ideographs
04:19<cmatheson>yp: it says "Chinese"
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04:23<yp>can anyone tell me what's CJK?
04:23<twb>What is CJK?
04:23<koollman>yp: Chinese Japanese Korean, used to describe the characters
04:23<twb>Oh, right, this is #debian, not #emacs.
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04:25<yp>her her her...
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04:25<babilen>yp: Is there anything in particular we can help you with?
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04:29<yjwork>what time be resume normal,debian server
04:29<babilen>yjwork: What?
04:31<yp>balilen: are you adminstrator?
04:31<babilen>yp: What do you mean? I am not working as a full time sysad if that's what you are asking
04:32<dpkg> is the server behind (the main copy of the Debian archive). It is currently experiencing hardware trouble, resulting in a temporary suspension of package updates for <testing> and <unstable> systems. . Ask me about <dda>.
04:32*themill takes a wild stab in the dark
04:32<babilen>probably correct :-\
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04:38<opikopie>hello users
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04:39<yjwork>no updates,Three days
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04:41<twb>yjwork: see dpkg above
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04:45<babilen>yjwork: 你是中国人吗?
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04:46<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, cn is China, or for help in chinese please join #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
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04:47<yjwork>babilen, 我英文水平很很低,想知道啥时候恢复
04:47<babilen>yjwork: 清打 "/join debian-zh"
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04:48<yjwork>join debian-zh
04:50<dpkg>cn is probably China, or for help in chinese please join #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
04:50<babilen>yjwork: "/join #debian-zh" 你望打 '/' 和 '#'
04:50<yjwork>"/join #debian-zh
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05:03<gord>sh run
05:03<gord>srry - wrong kbd again :(
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05:17<the-dude>is it possible to disable my second mouse button in X ?
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05:17<the-dude>"disable rightclick"
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05:41<k-man>how do you edit the menu in grub2 in debian?
05:42<babilen>k-man: please don't cross post
05:42<Yoda`Taff> /etc/grub.d/
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05:43<k-man>babilen: how is that a cross post?
05:44<gord>k-man: ? maybe
05:44<gord>k-man: never edited myself, all my boxes are lenny single-use
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05:45<k-man>can grub2 boot a raid1 root partition?
05:45<sonnyyy77>i donìt now
05:46<sonnyyy77>but i think yes
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05:46<sonnyyy77>c'è qualche italiano???????
05:46<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
05:46<k-man>i am trying to migrate my single disk linux install to a raid1 array
05:46<k-man>it seems non trivial
05:46<Lethalman>sonnyyy77, #debian-it of freenode perhaps
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05:47<babilen>sonnyyy77: "/quit" ;)
05:47<locklace>!lose sonnyyy77
05:47<dpkg>sonnyyy77: You Lose.
05:48<sonnyyy77>ok thank you
05:48<themill>/kick sonnyyy77
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06:03<onat>I was wondering
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06:05<onat>why isn't there any update for a couple of days?
06:05<adb> see topic
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06:08<onat>thank you
06:08<dpkg>debian-devel-announce is an announcement list to which major Debian developments are posted. If you are running releases beyond <stable>, then YOU are part of the development process and it's your responsibility to read it (no excuses!) or risk missing important announcements. "mailx -s 'subscribe' < /dev/null" or Ask me about <apt-listchanges>.
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06:37<Ox90>Hi guys, im having some trouble building iscsitarget from source on lenny running 2.6.32. dpkg-buildall tries to run; make -C usr clean. The error produced is make: *** usr: No such file or directory. Stop.
06:37<Ox90>make: *** [clean] Error 2
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06:38<Ox90>don't suppose you have any ideas why this is and how i could fix it?
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07:10<k-man>how do i restart a usb hdd that has spun down? it doesn't show up in fdisk -l any more
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07:11<valdyn>k-man: its off if its not listed
07:11<valdyn>k-man: not just spun down
07:11<valdyn>k-man: so switch it back on or off and on
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07:45<k-man>whats the debian way to give a user permission to read/write to /dev/lirc
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08:23<djdarkman>hello, I have an USB modem, that worked in Ubuntu with Network Manager, however I can't get it to work in squeze, and I don't really know what could be the problem, usb_modemswitch seems to only work halfway, the product id is switched but I can still access the modem like an usb storage, can someone tell me how to get started on debugging this issue?
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08:27<linuxguy>hi ive just installed debian squeeze, a net install, will the instruction from this site definately will work with squeeze?, im worried i may get a tty1 screen
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08:29<padski>I'm trying to use interfaces(5) and ifupdown to connect to an open wifi ap (no encryption) or even iwconfig. I connect to an ap with key and network-manager can get connect me just fine, but I don't seem to be able to figure out the magic to do it more manually
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08:31<gsimmons>padski: Please pastebin the relevant section of your current interfaces file.
08:32<padski>back inna mo
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08:38<padski>I've also been trying to associate with a specific ap by mac address (as I have a pair on the same essid that I'm working with) but without any sucess
08:40<padski>even in network manager, which has a "MAC address" field, I am not getting that to work. perhaps the driver cannot do it.
08:42<padski>hmmf! now it worked ...
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08:43<gsimmons>padski: Hooray. Which driver are you using, out of interest?
08:43<padski>ah! but I was already associated from a network-manager session before
08:43<padski>looks like ath9k
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08:46<padski>gsimmons, ath9k on a AR9285 in a eeepc 1005ha
08:46<linuxguy>hi ive just installed debian squeeze, a net install, will the instruction from this site definately will work with squeeze?, im worried i may get a tty1 screen
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08:47<padski>!tell linuxguy about nvidia squeeze
08:48<linuxguy>padski, thanks
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08:48<padski>linuxguy, at least that's what the bot here reckons
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08:49<linuxguy>padski, yes i know and its complicated to understand
08:49<jm_>linuxguy: depending on your version you may need the driver from unstable
08:49<jm_>on your graphic card even
08:50<linuxguy>jm_, im using fresh install of squeeze parts 1 and 2 completed fine from what tthe bot says
08:51<jm_>linuxguy: testing has the same version as stable which is old
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08:51<linuxguy>jm_, so dont use it then?
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08:53<padski>linuxguy, there is also nv
08:53<paggas>Hej people, I'm running vim on testing, but I cannot print, the command :ha prints an error! Any help?
08:54<paggas>Error is: E365: Failed to print PostScript file
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08:54<jm_>linuxguy: you can use it, but it may not support your hardware
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08:55<linuxguy>jm_, thats what i was worried about i have a 1gb nvidia 9500gt card
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08:57<linuxguy>!flash player
08:57<dpkg>from memory, flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also
08:57<jm_>linuxguy: it supports some 9500 cards
08:58<jm_>let me recheck with 173 driver
08:58<linuxguy>jm_, im a little cagey what to do now, maybe i should just use smxi script?
08:58<jm_>linuxguy: you need to backport sid packages in the worst case, not really hard
08:59<jm_>but first try it with version 173
08:59<linuxguy>jm_, would it be better using the 173 driver and not latest 190 something then?
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08:59<jm_>linuxguy: 173 is the one that supports some of the 9500 cards, 190 supports more
09:00<lancelot_of>hi all
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09:01<lancelot_of>i'm trying to copy on usb stick some files named with accented characters, but no way to copy them, the problem are the letters with accents, how to fix?
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09:02<padski>lancelot_of, tab completion, wild cards ?
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09:03<LinBe>Hi I'm updating the system but I get this....unmet dependencies...try apt-get -f install with no packages.... and than the same comes on the screen, Can someone help?
09:03<lancelot_of>padski, during the copy the system says that they cannot be copied
09:03<babilen>!tell LinBe -about bat
09:03<andrew1234>what would "inverse host lookup failed" mean? Is that a reverse DNS lookup error?
09:03<babilen>LinBe: Please provide all information dpkg just mentioned.
09:03<jm_>andrew1234: probably
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09:04<LinBe>apt-get -f install kopete E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
09:04<linuxguy>jm_, thanks, i think i will take the easier option and use smxi and specifically tekll it to use the 173 one, some devs there have asked me to try it out and send them the logs to see if any changes need doing
09:05<padski>lancelot_of, try copying one to a new name
09:05<jm_>linuxguy: note that this is not supported in #debian
09:05<lancelot_of>padski, copy to a new named one works, but on a lot of file is quite tedious
09:06<babilen>LinBe: No, we need the complete output of that command. And various other things, paste them to - Have you read the PM from dpkg?
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09:06<babilen>LinBe: And make that "aptitude install kopete"
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09:07<linuxguy>jm_, i thought it might not be
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09:08<babilen>linuxguy: smxi scripts are really not supported in here, but they have a channel on freenode. Check their website. Any reason why you don't use the Debian packages?
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09:08<linuxguy>babilen, i know its ok
09:08<lancelot_of>padski, it seems to me the problem is the way accented letters are codified with
09:09<LinBe>babilen: ok, pasted @ that link
09:09<babilen>lancelot_of: What is the problem? Can you copy them somewhere else?
09:09<babilen>LinBe: Could you give me the URL?
09:09<lancelot_of>padski, somehow on my system are iso-8859 (say) and on usb utf...
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09:10<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
09:10<babilen>LinBe: ^^^^^
09:10<babilen>LinBe: And please use "aptitude install kopete"
09:11<LinBe>Babilen: aptitude install kopete aptitude: command not found
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09:11<gsimmons>djdarkman: If usb_modeswitch doesn't work for your device, follow the Troubleshooting section at
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09:12<babilen>LinBe: Huh? Ok, please paste the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy aptitude"
09:12<lancelot_of>babilen, i can copy them everywhere on the system but not on usb sticks/sd, as i said it seems to be an encoding problem
09:13<padski>lancelot_of, I have seen some funny stuff by the time you have macs, windows and linux interoperating, but I thought linux was largely utf8 now
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09:13<babilen>lancelot_of: Which filesystem do you use on the stick?
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09:13<padski>lancelot_of, not onto the usb sticks ? what filesystem on the sticks ?
09:14<LinBe>babilen: policy @
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09:15<babilen>LinBe: Debian unofficial, experimental and unstable? Well, have fun
09:15<babilen>LinBe: And you did not provide the output of "apt-cache policy aptitude"
09:15<LinBe>babilen: policy aptitude @
09:16<babilen>LinBe: What have you done to your system? Sorry, I will not support that mess.
09:16<padski>Is there no command-line front-end to network manager ?
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09:16<LinBe>babilen: I just updated the system a while ago...
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09:17<gsimmons>padski: The only one I'm aware of is cnetworkmanager, ask dpkg about it.
09:17<padski>gsimmons, thanks
09:17<babilen>padski: I am not aware of one. You could use wicd which comes with a ncurses interface as well
09:17<babilen>LinBe: No, you are running a development version of Debian, with unofficial sources and probably a couple of experimental packages.
09:18<linuxguy>hhmm interesting bot sayins this apt-get install foo no package found is the answer
09:18<LinBe>babilen: ah, ok, and how can I install the stable ones?
09:18<babilen>LinBe: You would have to reinstall your system.
09:19<LinBe>babilen: huh? really?
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09:19<babilen>LinBe: Why do you use experimental/unstable/testing mix with debian-unofficial thrown in?
09:20<LinBe>babilen: I once installed knoppix life cd on the hdd and than the unstable things appeared...
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09:21<LinBe>babilen: but I just like apt-get :-)
09:21<babilen>LinBe: If you want to go back to stable you have to reinstall your system. (I assume here that you have indeed installed packages from experimental/unstable/testing) - It *might* be possible to get rid of the packages from debian-unofficial and downgrade the ones from experimental and unstable to the versions found in testing
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09:21<babilen>!tell LinBe about experimental
09:21<babilen>!tell LinBe about sid
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09:22<babilen>!tell LinBe about sid update test
09:22<babilen>sid user test
09:22<Ox90>hey babilen
09:22<babilen>Ox90: Greetings :)
09:23<Ox90>probably a stupid question, where can i find linux-headers for 2.6.32-trunk-amd64?
09:23<Ox90>been googling all morning
09:23<babilen>Ox90: -trunk- packages are obsolete ...
09:24<babilen>Ox90: You have to upgrade to the recent linux-image that ships with your architecture. The easiest way to do so is to install "linux-image-2.6-<ARCH>", reboot and select the new kernel manually and remove the -trunk- one
09:24<babilen>Ox90: Which architecture/branch do you use?
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09:27<adb>dpkg, kernel
09:27<dpkg>Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20100401, mainline 2.6: 2.6.34-rc3, snapshot 2.6: 2.6.34-rc2-git4, stable 2.6.33: , stable 2.6.32: , stable 2.6.31: , stable 2.6.30: , stable 2.6.27: , stable 2.4.37:
09:27<babilen>judd: kernels
09:27<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.4); sid: 2.6.32-4-686 (2.6.32-10); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.3-686 (2.6.32-9~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2)
09:27<Ox90>ok so im, apt-get install linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.3-amd64
09:27<Ox90>i need 2.6.32 for the nic drivers
09:28<Ox90>hopefully i'll be able to compile iscsitrgt now :P
09:28<Ox90>thanks even
09:28<babilen>Ox90: Which version of Debian are you using?
09:29<Ox90>used the 2.6.32 installer from kmuto
09:29<babilen>Ox90: Given that you want to install a bpo kernel, I assume that you are running stable on the amd64 architecture, correct?
09:29<Ox90>yeah thats correct
09:29<babilen>Ox90: Ok, you need to install the linux-image and headers from bpo ..
09:29<babilen>!tell Ox90 -about bpo
09:30<lancelot_of>babilen, padski on usb stick filesystem is fat32
09:30<LinBe>so what can I do now?
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09:30<linuxguy>oh well another screwed up squeeze \ nvidia problwm
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09:31<babilen>Ox90: That would be linux-image-2.6-amd64 from bpo, which depends on 2.6.32+25~bpo50+1
09:32<babilen>Ox90: For the headers install linux-headers-2.6-amd64 that depends on 2.6.32+25~bpo50+1 (headers)
09:32<linuxguy>message at m a stuff started to install says kernel headers cant be found, fisrt parts of instructions worked
09:32<Ox90>excellent, gonna reboot and try to compile this module :P
09:33<babilen>LinBe: Reinstall or fix your setup. You *might* be able to remove the unofficial packages and downgrade the others. One way to do so would be to pin testing to >= 1001 and let aptitude do its work
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09:33<vook>linuxguy: do you have the kernel headers installed ?
09:33<LinBe>babilen: ok, how?
09:34<linuxguy>vook i followed the instructs sent via the bot
09:34<babilen>LinBe: Have you read what dpkg told you about unstable and sid?
09:34<babilen>LinBe: Just reinstall :)
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09:34<LinBe>babilen: yes
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09:35<babilen>LinBe: And don't use testing/unstable/experimental next time if you are not sure that *you* are not able to handle a mess like the one you put yourself in now
09:35<LinBe>babilen: ok, thanks
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09:35<babilen>LinBe: Sorry if that sounds harsh, but I don't think that testing/unstable/experimental is the right branch for you
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09:35<babilen>Ox90: Did that work out?
09:36<LinBe>babilen: probably not, but hey...good way to learn :)
09:36<vook>hmm - well, you probably don't have them installed. type 'uname -a' to get your kernel version, then do an 'aptitude search linux-headers' - find the headers that match your kernel. If there is an 'i' before them in the list, then they are installed, if a 'p', they aren't. then do 'aptitude install linux-headers-VERSION'
09:36<babilen>!tell LinBe about why aptitude
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09:37<babilen>LinBe: Good luck ... You might be able to run a pure testing system some day, but not right now IMHO
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09:38<babilen>linuxguy: If you have the linux-image-2.6-<ARCH> package installed, you can also install the linux-headers-2.6-<ARCH> package. Both will depend on the latest kernel and matching headers
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09:39<Ox90>babilen, you truly are a gentleman and a saint
09:39<Ox90>iscsi-trgt compiled and installed
09:39<Ox90>only took me 3 days lol
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09:41<linuxguy>babilen, thanks, i'll google for the info
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09:41<babilen>Ox90: yay!!!!
09:41<babilen>!congratulate Ox90
09:41<dpkg>Good show Ox90, you did it!
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09:42<babilen>linuxguy: Just: aptitude show linux-image-2.6-686 linux-headers-2.6-686 (or replace 686 with amd64)
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09:44<orjan>Hi, I'm trying to install lenny netinstall on a atom510. When i chosen basic install and starts tasksel it looks up showing pleas wait.
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09:53<vook>orjan: is this an Asus eeepc ?
09:53<orjan>vook, no an asua at5nm10-1
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09:59<vook>orjan: this may or may not be helpful - it's a debian wiki for the eeePC (which also has a atom510). Maybe work a look :
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10:35<babilen>buffoon_work: try "/msg dpkg etch->lenny"
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10:36<buffoon_work>babilen, yes, i know... I just missed the right tab...
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10:38<babilen>buffoon_work: Have fun!
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10:47<Kacic>Olá, estou procurando informações sobre a versão em portugues para Debian Weekly news que Gustavo Montesino iniciou em 2004
10:47<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
10:47<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
10:48<Kacic>sorry, sorry,
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11:51<chl>i encounter a problem. when doing `svn commit`, the editor provided by the svn is nano. i found out if i pressed ^X then Y after editing the text, nano would only save a .tmp file in the folder and svn would not commit the change.
11:51<chl>how can i get svn committed the change made by e.g. svn mkdir trunk
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12:10<retrospectacus>chl: there was probably a different problem like your out of date... I like to specify the message on the cli like: svn ci -m 'removed blah' then it doesn't do the tmp file thing
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12:10<padski>turns out I can do what I need with wpa_supplicant. that never occurred to me.
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12:13<retrospectacus>chl: making a message in nano and saving it normally does work. If there is another problem like it fails to connect it saves the message in .tmp
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12:16<retrospectacus>chl: you can also use a different editor like: EDITOR=vi svn ci
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12:16<chl>retrospectaus: how can i change to use other editor?
12:16<chl>can i just override the setting?
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12:16<chl>because i am not the admin of that svn site
12:17<chl>just a user who can upload/ commit files.
12:17<retrospectacus>chl: you can change your user's EDITOR env. var
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12:17<chl>i see. just like export EDITOR=vi?
12:17<retrospectacus>the editor is specfied locally not by the repo.
12:17<chl>retrospectacus: thank you very much: )
12:18<retrospectacus>np, have a good one :)
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13:52<leino>hi everyone, I have a problem with dependencies in debian-stable
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13:54<leino>whenever I try to 'apt-get install' anything, I get error messages about python-minimal2.6
13:54<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
13:54<babilen>,versions python-minimal2.6
13:54<judd>Sorry, no package named 'python-minimal2.6' was found.
13:55<babilen>,versions python2.6-minimal
13:55<judd>python2.6-minimal -- squeeze: 2.6.4-6; sid: 2.6.5-1
13:55<babilen>leino: That package is not in stable ...
13:55<leino>dpkg: ok Im on it
13:55<dpkg>leino: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
13:55<babilen>leino: Please provide the information dpkg just mentioned
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13:55<babilen>leino: dpkg is a bot :)
13:56<babilen>dpkg: bot
13:56<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
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13:57<babilen>leino: It would be best if you put all this information in *one* paste :)
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14:00<leino>ok, never done this before.. but here is the paste:
14:00<leino>that is from '#apt-get install gdb'
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14:00<babilen>leino: I also need the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy gdb"
14:01<babilen>leino: "apt-cache policy python2.6" would be interesting as well
14:03<babilen>,versions python2.6-minimal
14:03<judd>python2.6-minimal -- squeeze: 2.6.4-6; sid: 2.6.5-1
14:04<babilen>leino: Have you installed python2.6-minimal before? Or tried to install it?
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14:04<deavid>i guess probably leino installed or upgraded python2.6-minimal (and python2.6) in the past and something went wrong...
14:05<babilen>quite likely
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14:05<leino>ok this is my apt-cache policy:
14:05<babilen>but that is impossible to do if you are running stable :)
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14:06<babilen>leino: You can put the output of "apt-cache policy gdb python2.6-minimal" and "dpkg -l python2.6-minimal" in *one* paste
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14:06<leino>babilen: oh sorry, will do
14:07<babilen>leino: no problem, take your time ;)
14:08<leino>I forget, how do you make bash run two commands in one go?
14:08<leino>'cmd1 & cmd2' ?
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14:08<babilen>leino: Just run them subsequently - But it would be "cmd1 ; cmd2"
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14:08<deavid>leino: you can't simply execute them in a terminal.. and then copy and paste the terminal output?
14:09<babilen>&& means that cmd2 will only be executed if cmd1 succeeded
14:09<babilen>ml|: hei :)
14:09<ml|>yes, hello
14:09<leino>deavid: it is easier to cat to a file
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14:10<babilen>leino: why?
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14:10<babilen>leino: Ah, nevermind - do it how you want to do it as long as you get us the information :)
14:10*babilen is not in the mood for meta-discussions
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14:12<babilen>leino: How did you install that python2.6-minimal package?
14:12<deavid>leino: have you tried to reinstall python2.6 ? ( apt-get install python2.6 --reinstall )
14:12<babilen>deavid: That will not work - python2.6 is (and should not) be in stable
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14:13<deavid>oops, right; i forgot that he is using stable
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14:14<leino>I'm sorry, but what is the name of that file in etc that controls from where you download packages when you do apt-get ?
14:14<deavid> /etc/apt/sources.list
14:14<babilen>leino: sources.list - but what are you trying to do?
14:15<deavid> and /etc/apt/sources.d/*
14:15<babilen>leino: How did you install that python2.6 package and why did you install it?
14:15<leino>yeah, I should probably have said that I messed with that file so that I could download from a greater set of packages
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14:15<deavid>from backports, probably?
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14:15<babilen>leino: And what have you done with your sources.list ?
14:15*gord thinks that maybe we should see the sources.list pasted too ?
14:15<leino>I'll just paste it for you if you want?
14:16<gord>yes pls
14:16<leino>ok hold on
14:16<gord>pastebin that is
14:16<babilen>gord: We already saw the output of "apt-cache policy"
14:17<babilen>leino: Tell me what you have done prior to this problem please
14:17<gord>babilen: hmm - lemme kill my browser lol
14:17<leino>my /etc/apt/sources.list:
14:18<babilen>leino: Which sources did you enable? Which packages did you install?
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14:18<babilen>leino: "dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9.\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}'|grep sid"
14:19<ml|>dpkg: tell leino about sid
14:19<leino>babilen: I have had this problem for a while so I dont really remember :-/
14:20<babilen>ah, that command probably won't work as it relies on apt-cache policy
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14:20<babilen>leino: Why on earth did you enable sid?
14:20<leino>I think it was to get kismet, but not sure
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14:21<ml|>leino: never mix stable with other releases
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14:21<babilen>leino: Ok, please uncomment the sid line in your sources.list, "aptitude update" and run the command i quoted above ..
14:21<leino>ml|: meaning dont add new lines in sources.list ?
14:21<ml|>leino: use bpo or use ssb
14:21<babilen>leino: Paste the output and *don't* do *anything* else
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14:22<leino>babilen: output of what?
14:22<babilen>leino: After you have pasted the output, remove the line for sid and we will see how bad it is ..
14:22<babilen>leino: "dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9.\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}'|grep sid"
14:22<ml|>leino: after you give babilen the info he asks /msg dpkg bpo and ssb
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14:24<babilen>leino: Also which version of libc6 do you have installed? (apt-cache policy libc6)
14:24<leino>output of that long command:
14:25*deavid thinks that the best is to apt-pinning lenny with 1005, aptitude upgrade, and pray :-P
14:25<ml|>dpkg: version
14:25<dpkg>Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions.
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14:27<babilen>deavid: Yeah, that might work ... for large values of "pray" :)
14:27<deavid>yeah, very large values...
14:27<gord>jim - gimme a ring will ya the NOC was wanting you b4 //
14:28<leino>babilen: libc6 policy:
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14:29<babilen>hmm, that does not look *that* bad ... Could you paste the information from the "version" factoid as well
14:30<leino>ok one sec
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14:30<babilen>leino: Namely: "uname -r" "cat /debian_version" and "cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*}"
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14:31<babilen>leino: Did you uncomment the line for sid and run "aptitude update" *before* you executed the long command i gave you?
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14:32<babilen>one second .. telephone
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14:34<gord>grr it's DNS trouble here again - hence my pastebin view all screwed up - gotta kick some butts brb
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14:38<leino>babilen: no I did not (uncomment the line for sid), should I do that and run it again?
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14:38<ml|>remove that!
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14:40*babilen curses
14:40<babilen>what did i miss?
14:40<leino>nothing good
14:40<gord>nuthin, luckily :)
14:40<babilen>less: Have you answered my questions? (Sorry, lost connection)
14:40<ml|>< leino> babilen:
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14:41<ml|>< leino> babilen: no I did not (uncomment the line for sid), should I do that and run it again?
14:41<babilen>leino: yes please
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14:41<babilen>leino: And run "aptitude update" after you've done so and don't do anything else except running the long command again
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14:42*gord feels the suspense mounting.....
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14:43<babilen>ok, great
14:43<gord>hmm, anticlimax?
14:43<leino>man, can't I just give you guys ssh access to my machine? :)
14:44<babilen>leino: Now remove the sid line again, "aptitude update" (and never ever enable it again)
14:44<gord>seems lucky :)
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14:44<ml|>ok, remove that sid now :)
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14:44<babilen>leino: Does "aptitude purge python2.6-minimal" work?
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14:46<leino>got some errors on 'aptitude update'
14:46<babilen>--> paste
14:47<leino>I tried to cat the output to a file, but it cuts of at "Reading package lists..."
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14:47<babilen>leino: Can't you just copy it from your terminal?
14:48<leino>yeah. Ill just copy the last few lines then
14:48<babilen>leino: Just select the lines and use middle mouse button to paste
14:48<babilen>jorge: hi
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14:49<ml|>for the future use something like pastebinit or xsel
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14:49<babilen>leino: Ok, that is not a big problem. We can deal with that later
14:49<babilen>leino: Could you try to run "aptitude purge python2.6-minimal"
14:50<babilen>leino: ah, run "aptitude keep-all" first :)
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14:52<ml|>dpkg: apt-key EA8E8B2116BA136C
14:52<dpkg>gpg --keyserver --recv-keys EA8E8B2116BA136C ; gpg --export EA8E8B2116BA136C | sudo apt-key add -
14:53<ml|>leino: for key issue ^, but finish with babilen first
14:53<leino>output from "aptitude purge python2.6 minimal":
14:54<babilen>leino: Yes, please accept that solution
14:54<leino>ml|: ok, thanks
14:54<babilen>leino: or wait
14:54<babilen>leino: Make that "aptitude purge python2.6 python2.6-minimal libpython2.6"
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14:56<babilen>,versions python-libmimic
14:56<ml|>looks fine to accept, looks same as before
14:56<judd>python-libmimic -- lenny-backports: 1.0.4-2~bpo50+1; sid: 1.0.4-2+b2; squeeze: 1.0.4-2+b2
14:56<babilen>,info python-libmimic
14:56<judd>No record of package 'python-libmimic' in lenny/i386.
14:56<babilen>,info python-libmimic --release squeeze
14:56<judd>python-libmimic (python, optional): A video codec for Mimic V2.x content (python bindings). Version: 1.0.4-2+b2; Size: 6.1k; Installed: 88k
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14:57<babilen>leino: What does "aptitude why python-libmimic" give you?
14:57<babilen>,rdepends python-libmimic --release sid
14:58<themill>babilen: one day.... but not quite yet
14:58<babilen>leino: Ok, I would accept the solution proposed by aptitude for the command that purged python2.6, python2.6-minimal et. al
14:58<babilen>themill: hehe :)
14:59<babilen>themill: I just ran it locally :)
14:59<leino>babilen: so the last purge command you gave me?
14:59<babilen>aptitude purge python2.6 python2.6-minimal libpython2.6
14:59<babilen>that one
14:59*babilen hopes that works out :)
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15:01<leino>ok I accepted the thing, now what?
15:01<babilen>leino: did that work?
15:01<leino>I got now error messages, I think
15:01<leino>the last line I get is:
15:01<babilen>you know what to do :(
15:02<leino>Current status: 677 new [-3]
15:02<leino>ok hold on
15:02<babilen>that is not an error (phew)
15:03<leino>so it's all good in the hood? (the output was too big for me to copy it all from xterm)
15:03<babilen>Hard to say - was the purge successful?
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15:04<babilen>and why was it to big? Just select the lines and copy them ...
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15:05<leino>my xterm window is too small, and it doesnt "scroll" when I try to select (using the mouse)
15:06<babilen>leino: Just copy all lines you see, then scroll and copy the rest?
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15:07<leino>good thinking
15:07<babilen>yepp, that looks good
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15:07<ml|>that because of the key issue
15:08<babilen>dpkg: apt-key EA8E8B2116BA136C
15:08<dpkg>gpg --keyserver --recv-keys EA8E8B2116BA136C ; gpg --export EA8E8B2116BA136C | sudo apt-key add -
15:08<babilen>leino: proudly presented by ml| ^^^^^
15:08<babilen>that will fix the key issue you have now
15:08<leino>should I do that thing dpkg spat out?
15:08<babilen>yes please
15:09<jla>I'm hosting a domain for an associate and they make email account changes frequently. Is there some webminish package that I could configure so they could add and remove forward-only and local email accounts without giving them any other control?
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15:10<babilen>great - "aptitude update" and everything should be fine
15:10<ml|>yeah, you are lucky :)
15:10<AlexMax>Got a question. I'm trying to use aptitude build-dep and the line The following NEW packages will be installed: is replaced with "Unable to satisfy the build-depends: Build-Dependslibc-client-dev.Unable to satisfy the build-depends: Build-Dependslibc-client-dev.The following NEW packages will be installed:"
15:10<gord>wow that could have been a ~huge~ breakage that one
15:10<babilen>and remember to *never* *ever* touch sid again (or squeeze or experimental) if you don't know *exactly* what you are doing
15:10<AlexMax>What's going on here?
15:10<babilen>gord: Oh yeah ...
15:11<babilen>leino: You were *really* lucky ...
15:11<leino>babilen: ok, all was indeed fine
15:11<ml|>leino: never mix stable with other releases
15:11<ml|>needed to be said again ;)
15:11<Florian_weber>Hello, my computer doesn't boot: when grub want's to load an image, I get this message and an incomplete commandline:
15:11<AlexMax>Googling for libc-client-dev turns up nothing
15:11<babilen>leino: The typical solution for problems like that is: "Reinstall Debian"
15:11<leino>babilen: ok, so I basically shouldnt touch sources.list?
15:11<gord>i got confused by the _lack_ of huge damage at one point :)
15:11<AlexMax>and i find it odd that there are no newlines
15:11<babilen>gord: yeah :)
15:12<leino>babilen: (I have a feeling I'm supposed to learn a lesson here)
15:12<ml|>leino: just don't add sid or testing lines to that
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15:12<edrz>speaking of (re)installing debian ... does anyone know of a version of d-i that has recently been known to successfully install to raid1?
15:12<babilen>leino: I hope you learned your lesson already :) sid is a big no-no :)
15:12<edrz>specifically, grub ...
15:12<ml|>and also random repos to sources.list
15:13<babilen>so, i'm out ...
15:13<babilen>have a nice evening/afternoon/whatever!
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15:13<leino>ml|: ok, and sid is the name for the current unstable version of debian?
15:13<gord>babilen: cya, nice work ;)
15:13<leino>babilen: thank you so much!
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15:13<edrz>leino: sid is always unstable.
15:13<leino>ml|: and thank you too!
15:13<AlexMax>leino: correct. It's always the almost-bleeding edge
15:13<AlexMax>Sid. The kid from toy story who BREAKS TOYS
15:13<AlexMax>That should be your clue. ;)
15:13<ml|>leino: yes and will always be sid/unstable /msg dpkg releases
15:13<leino>havent seen toy story
15:14<ml|>leino: and /msg dpkg reference
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15:14<babilen>ml|, gord: Have fun!
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15:14<gord>edrz: that question has come up quite a bit in the last few days, I don't have raids to boot but a few ppl seem to be having trouble
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15:15<edrz>i have been in the habit of booting from raid since as long as I can remember.
15:16<edrz>except on laptops, of course.
15:16<AlexMax>Any ideas on my "Unable to satisfy the build-depends: Build-Dependslibc-client-dev." message?
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15:17<AlexMax>It's harmless-seeming right now, but I don't want to reboot and find my server unbootable ;)
15:18<edrz>gord: were those questions here, on a mailing list, another channel?
15:18<gord>edrz: here i think,
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15:18<gord>edrz: obne guy needed to downgrade grub2 to a previous version, errrrr
15:18<ml|>judd versions libc-client-dev
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15:18<judd>libc-client-dev -- etch: 7:2002edebian1-13.1+etch1; etch-security: 7:2002edebian1-13.1+etch1
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15:19<ml|>AlexMax: using etch?
15:19<gord>edrz: struck me as odd, gimme a minute I'll think of the nick
15:19<ml|>lenny I assume
15:20<darsie>Hi! Where can I define programs for removable devices (camera)? in gnome.
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15:21<gord>edrz: grimnar, i think, unless his downgrade was unrelated directly to the raid, though I know he had raid1 somewhere in the mix, forgive me it was about 3am here - was sleepy
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15:21<edrz>gord: no worries. :)
15:21*edrz absolves gord
15:22<AlexMax>ml|: 5.0
15:22<gord>edrz: qute a few people pop in to ask it, unles it's been you for the last couple of days and didn't get an answer :)
15:22<ml|>right see the judd output above
15:22<ml|>AlexMax: ^
15:23<edrz>i did ask a bit yesterday
15:23<AlexMax>I don't get it. Why is it asking for an etch package?
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15:23<AlexMax>and why is it on the same line as "The following packages will be INSTALLED"
15:23<ml|>don't know, not in lenny
15:23<AlexMax>I already tried installing that package, it didn't make the message go away
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15:24<ml|>AlexMax: explain what you are doing to get more help from someone here
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15:26<AlexMax>ml|: I'm just trying to use aptitude build-dep, and I noticed that extra message. I wanted to know if it was benign or not.
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15:27<ml|>that package is not available, as you can see
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15:29<AlexMax>ml|: Which is precisely why this is so confusing. Why is that message appearing, and why is it appearing in the place where it is?
15:29<AlexMax>I don't remember build-deps doing this before
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15:30<hahnp>can you show the whole output
15:31<AlexMax>It doesn't matter what I try to build-dep that same message appears
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15:33<ml|>I guess you are trying to build a newer version of that?
15:34<AlexMax>Yep. I'm compiling php 5.3 and i want to make sure I have all the deps
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15:35<AlexMax>This weirdness came about while I was doing this
15:35<ml|>that might not be possible, since you are in lenny
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15:37<AlexMax>ml|: Yes, well that's kinda tangental to my worry. It doesn't matter what I put in now, it still gives that weird error
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15:37<ml|>even with just aptitude update for example?
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15:38<AlexMax>Only with aptitude build-dep <any package>
15:38<AlexMax>And it still allows me to follow through, but that warning weirds me out. I don't want to reboot my system only to find out that I've accidently removed some vital package by accident
15:39<ml|>ah, I have no idea; but would nice to mention that to others to help, if/when asking again
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15:40<AlexMax>Don't tell anybody but I'm considering upgrading to Ubuntu Server, since it has later versions of packages built-in *sshhh*
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15:40<ml|>heh, good luck either way and remember ubuntu is not supported here ;)
15:41<AlexMax>yeah, I'm not one of _those_ people
15:42<gord>AlexMax: why don't you do what the last guy did and install some sid parts into lenny and break your system that way? It'll be just as broken just as quick as *buntu :)
15:42*dr|z3d laughs, amused.
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15:43<adb>, versions libc-client-dev
15:43<judd>libc-client-dev -- etch: 7:2002edebian1-13.1+etch1; etch-security: 7:2002edebian1-13.1+etch1
15:43<ml|>adb: read up please ;)
15:43<AlexMax>I like having relatively recent packages, honestly. Python 2.6, PHP 5.3, etc.
15:43<dr|z3d>gord: so broken google are building their next-gen networks on it. :)
15:44*gord lights pipe and remember the old days
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15:44<AlexMax>gord: In the past I've used Ubuntu Server and was quite pleased with it. Ubuntus existence is beneficial to Debians
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15:44<gord>all this were fields of vax when I were a kid
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15:44<AlexMax>At least it's not Red Hat/CentOS with a damn GUI tool for everything
15:45<AlexMax>server-related that is
15:45<dr|z3d>Nothing inherently wrong wuit GUIs.
15:45<gord>AlexMax: true, many people don't see it that way, but at least some bugs get upstream from there, and that's good, certainly. Publicity-wise its good too. I've even got a few vboxes of bunties to mess with >eek< sssh
15:46<dr|z3d>It makes the transition from conventionally GUI heavy OS's easier, for one thing. :)
15:46<edrz>success ... sort of. lenny installer's grub (legacy) wrote to raid1 ...
15:46<AlexMax>GUI's tend to make a mess of configuration files, in my experience.
15:46<edrz>now let's see if I can upgrade to squeeze ...
15:47<dr|z3d>That's not the fault of GUIs, that's the fault of coders. :)
15:47<AlexMax>plus to use said gui's you have to use VNC/NX
15:47*edrz coughs at gord's pipe smoke
15:47<gord>edrz: hmm yeah smell like what I think I've been seeing, just can;t remember details
15:47<AlexMax>as opposed to a SSH client
15:47<dr|z3d>I think you shouldn't be conflating bad code and GUIs, personally :)
15:47<ml|>edrz: good luck, but iirc testing uses grbu2 by default so read the messages aptitude tells you
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15:47<edrz>AlexMax: best not to mention the python issue here ...
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15:48<AlexMax>edrz: What python issue?
15:48<ml|>edrz: and /msg dpkg stable->testing if you haven't already
15:49<AlexMax>is squeeze still on 2.5?
15:49<edrz>ml|: thanks
15:49<edrz>AlexMax: it has 2.6 now
15:50<adb>, versions python
15:50<judd>python -- etch: 2.4.4-2; lenny: 2.5.2-3; sid: 2.5.4-9; squeeze: 2.5.4-9
15:50<edrz>the maintainer is the same as for ubuntu, so maybe you can fill in the gaps
15:50<edrz>i don't want to fan flames
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15:50<ml|>looks like 2.5 still
15:50<edrz>2.6 is in squeeze now, but not the default
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15:51<edrz>s/is in/is available in/
15:51<ml|>judd versions python2.6
15:51<judd>python2.6 -- squeeze: 2.6.4-6; sid: 2.6.5-1
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15:53<ml|>zombie: are you using debian or ubuntu?
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16:00<meowcats>ubuntu scares me, even doing basic install with alternate CD, it has that weird boot splash :|
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16:04<hahnp>and a scary login-sound
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16:12<edrz>upgrade to squeeze seems to have worked.
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16:13<ml|>!congratulate edrz
16:13<dpkg>Woohoo edrz, you did it!
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16:13<edrz>nothing like getting one's affirmations from a bot.
16:13<ml|>edrz: btw, what d-i where you using before lenny's?
16:14<edrz>although ... it's chainloading grub2 from old grub
16:14<edrz>ml|: i first tried the squeeze d-i
16:14<edrz>both recent snapshot
16:14<ml|>ah, no wonder
16:14<edrz>and the released version
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16:14<edrz>then i tried using lenny's d-i to install squeeze. which failed.
16:15<edrz>finally, lenny install w/lenny d-i -> upgrade to squeeze
16:15<edrz>i would report a bug ... but i don't know if it's a d-i issue or a grub issue.
16:15<edrz>and there are already many grup-pc bugs along this line.
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16:15<ml|>and nobody told you that testing installer is well testing and best to install lenny then move to testing after?
16:16*edrz shrugs
16:16<edrz>thought i should try
16:16<ml|>yes, if you wanted too :)
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16:17<ml|>so testing did install grub-pc on upgrade, right?
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16:32<suri>Hi all ..I m using debian of gnome desktop, how to get kde??
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16:33<ml|>suri: using lenny?
16:33<suri>ml|, yes
16:33<ml|>/msg dpkg install kde
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16:39<edrz>ml|: right. but, it left the old grub installed in the mbr and configured it to chainload grub2
16:40<edrz>with a note about a command to use to finish the upgrade completely after confirming that grub2 worked via chainloading.
16:41<ml|>edrz: right, so you have both installed atm
16:41<edrz>well. according to the package manager, grub-pc is installed
16:41<edrz>the _package_ grub-legacy is not installed.
16:41<edrz>but the lenny grub resides in the mbr.
16:41<edrz>as i understand it.
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16:42<ml|>yes I think you are right, while since I did that
16:42<edrz>and, if i feel brave and confident i can run upgrade-from-grub-legacy to finish the job
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16:43<edrz>but, i'm not sure if it actually works or not ... so, i'm debating whether or not to go there.
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16:43<ml|>if it's working fine it should be ok to do so
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16:46<ml|>edrz: before doing so, I would check bts first
16:46<edrz>i went there and it works
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16:46<edrz>well, yes. i've looked at bts and there are many issues with grub-pc.
16:46<edrz>so, the question I'm left with (perhaps for another day)
16:46<ml|>relating to yours?
16:46<edrz>thought so.
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16:47*edrz checks again
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16:48<edrz>548648 seems somewhat related ...
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16:51<edrz>but, the question is, what's different about the process of getting grub2 into the mbr from d-i versus what i've just done.
16:51<edrz>i think for now that waits for my next system build
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16:51<edrz>in a week or so (waiting on PSU RMA)
16:52<ml|>didn't you say you didn't install to mbr yet?
16:52<edrz>16:46 < edrz> i went there and it works
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16:53<edrz>right at the same time you warned me to check bts first ;)
16:53<ml|>didn't know what you meant by that, you did upgrade...
16:53<ml|>maybe d-i has a bug?
16:54<ml|>I would think reporting that would help the d-i team
16:55<edrz>there is clearly something wrong... related to writing to the mbr with raid from within d-i
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17:01<Glorf>hi all
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17:05<Glorf>i've got a problem with my mail server (dovecot + postfix) : i can send mail, but i'm not allowed to send mail. When i send it via the shell (mail), it works. But from all others adresses : <>: host[] said: 554 5.7.1
17:05<Glorf> <>: Relay access denied (in reply to RCPT TO command)
17:05<Glorf>The ports 25,110 are redirected on my server
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17:06<weasel>you probably want to set up smtp authentication. probably using sasl.
17:07<weasel>probably easiest is making postfix use a sasl server provided by dovecot
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17:14<Glorf>weasel, it's didn't work
17:15<Glorf>i followed this tuto :
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17:22<piero>What is the "thunk" in my linux kernel package? linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-amd64. Thanks
17:23<piero>jcdubacq, ?
17:23<jcdubacq>a mistake, now fixed, in the name of the package. Development projects are usually divided in trunk (main development), tags (fixed versions) and branches (parallel versions where some work is done)
17:23<jcdubacq>Somehow, the linux kernel team let escape a temporary name of a kernel
17:24<jcdubacq>nothing important.
17:24<piero>So I can remove the packet and continue using my old kernel-image given by linux-image-amd64?
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17:26<User_007>updates are working now on squeeze?
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17:38<bike_>uh, what the feck, where are the sources for debian-netbsd ?
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18:01<Glorf>Hmm, got a problem with postfix/dovecot. They are rejecting all the WAN mail incoming
18:01<Glorf>but i can send mail, no problem with that
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18:03<Glorf>reject: RCPT from[]: 554 5.7.1 <>: Relay access denied; (from the log)
18:03<valdyn>Glorf: dpkg-reconfigure postix lets you set which hosts can send mail and which destinations postfix will relay to
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18:04<jla>probably doesn't think it's suppose to accept mail for, the local stuff prob works because of mynetworks
18:04<valdyn>Glorf: unknown can normally only send to local while local can send anywhere, you have to add your sending host to the "local" nets / hosts ( wording is my own, not postfix )
18:06<valdyn>Glorf: thats your smarhost ( ) ?
18:06<Glorf>my email is
18:06<Glorf>i try to send mail on it with my FAI's email, which is
18:06<valdyn>Glorf: you mean "to it" ?
18:07<valdyn>Glorf: obviously your postfix is not aware that is localhost
18:08<jla>right, check mydestination
18:08<valdyn>Glorf: and ask someone else as to how exactly thats configured, via dpkg-reconfigure or whatever, as I don't use postfix myself
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18:10<Glorf>it was the mydestination
18:10<Glorf>thanks all
18:10<Glorf>now, why evolution don't connect to my server ? ._.
18:10<valdyn>Glorf: you are referring to dovecot?
18:11<jla>oh :)
18:11<jla>smtp or imap or pop3?
18:11<jla>!postfix :)
18:11<valdyn>Glorf: pop3 is not postfix
18:11<Glorf>postfix + smtp, dovecot + pop3
18:11<valdyn>Glorf: do you even have a pop3 server running?
18:12<jla>check logs, try telnet
18:12<valdyn>Glorf: i dont think dovecot has pop3 enabled by default, but i dont know, go see in /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf
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18:13<valdyn>( id rather use imaps anyway, but thats up to you )
18:14<valdyn>Glorf: thats just imap over ssl
18:14<dpkg>from memory, imap is (rfc2060) a protocol allowing a client to access and manipulate electronic mail messages on a server. It permits manipulation of remote message folders (mailboxes), in a way that is functionally equivalent to local mailboxes. You should probably use <dovecot>.
18:15<valdyn>dpkg: imaps is imap over ssl. Ask me about <imap>.
18:15<dpkg>okay, valdyn
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18:20<Glorf>what is the port for imaps ?
18:20<jla>grep imaps /etc/services
18:21<Glorf>so, conf my freebox now
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19:33<scarleo>What's the name of that gnome application installer?
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19:34<scarleo>I seem to have lost it in upgrade from lenny to squeeze
19:35<scarleo>I hardly ever use it but I'd like to have it anyway :)
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19:37<amz>who have gnome
19:37<amz>ls -la /usr/share/fonts/truetype
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19:38<schlurchz>I see ries is still down? Not good. :(
19:40<gord>i just hope no uncorrected memory errors crept in, rare but happens in extreme cases
19:40<amz>01:37 < amz> who have gnome
19:40<amz>01:37 < amz> please
19:40<amz>01:37 < amz> ls -la /usr/share/fonts/truetype
19:40<amz>01:37 < amz> pastebin
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19:40<amz>can u?
19:41<themill>amz: stop pasting, stop hitting enter after every couple of words, stop cross-posting and try asking your real question.
19:41<schlurchz>This means countless machines testing/unstable machines running outdated and vulnerable verions of e.g. iceweasel, right? :(
19:41<amz>can you just give me that list?
19:41<gord>I had a bad server last year with ecc and only ZFS narrowed it down, took me 4 month to find it
19:41<amz> ls -la /usr/share/fonts/truetype
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19:42<adb>amz, 01:34<adb> amz, drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096
19:42<themill>schlurchz: debian doesn't make any promises for security support for testing or unstable.
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19:43<amz> ls -la /usr/share/fonts/truetype <- please pastebin
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19:43<scarleo>well, there was synaptic package manager and som other application installer. I was looking for the application installer
19:43<gord>schlurchz: you could always install another briwser from source or binaries meantime
19:44<Arrowmaster>schlurchz: how is iceweasel vulnerable? 3.6.x isnt in sid yet
19:44<schlurchz>themill: well, there is security support for testing, and even in absence of any promises it's a very bad situation. Doesn't look very professional either. :(
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19:44<themill>schlurchz: there is no security support for testing.
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19:46<schlurchz>themill: what about this:
19:46<Arrowmaster>i think the security support for testing might just be 'if stable and testing have the same version put the new stable security package in testing too', the ones ive seen have just be the exact same version as in stable
19:46<schlurchz>Arrowmaster: ok I might be wrong with iceweasel, but it was just an example anyhow
19:46<themill>!testing security
19:46<dpkg>Put "deb squeeze/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Squeeze. Keep up to date by reading <d-d-a>. Also ask about <d-s-a>, <apt-listchanges>.
19:46<BicowsBR>any news about Debian 6 Squeeze?
19:47<themill>dpkg: tell BicowsBR about wwsr
19:47<schlurchz>This looks like security support to me, if anything
19:47<themill>schlurchz: bah... dpkg used to say that better... there's no testing security support for squeeze yet.
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19:48<BicowsBR>Alguma novidade qto ao lançamento do Debian 6?
19:48<chealer>apt-listchanges :?
19:48<schlurchz>themill: I remember some discussion about implementing security support for testing, and all being glad it was finally achieved. Wrong?
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19:49<chealer>schlurchz: is not for official resources. is the official domain.
19:49<schlurchz>I know
19:49<mohamed>hi all
19:49<themill>schlurchz: a few months prior to release testing gets security support. It was explicitly announced just after lenny was released that squeeze would not have security support for the forseeable future.
19:49<schlurchz>oh really :(
19:49<mohamed>is there anyone egyptian ?
19:50<chealer>BicowsBR: only English on this channel.
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19:50<BicowsBR>ok, thanks
19:50*themill subscribes schlurchz to debian-devel-announce
19:51<adb> 01:44<themill> dpkg: tell BicowsBR about wwsr
19:51<schlurchz>yeah, I should subscribe there, probably
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19:54<BicowsBR>will delay the launch of Squeeze?
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19:56<zelda>Can someone help me with 'apt-cdrom add' on ubuntu?
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19:57<themill>zelda: #ubuntu on probably can
19:58<themill>zelda: and #debian-mentors is really *not* the place to ask.
19:59<adb>themill, hehe ..
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20:00<gnufan>Mate reported that the non-free flash plugin seems to be suddenly more resource intensive. Just played a sound only track from Youtube and it chewed up 170% CPU in one task ?!? What changed? Not that it was ever "resource light" but...
20:00<schlurchz>170% wow
20:01<gord>zelda: seriously, we'd probaby give you bad advice - we know nothing about the *buntu ways or sources.list codewords, though we share a common base, sorry
20:01<schlurchz>I wish my CPU could do that :)
20:02<gnufan>The 170% is reported by top - seems unlikely hyperthreaded 2.4GHz Intel Pentium 4 - so not new but on the other hand it can play plenty of sounds tracks simultaneously if you can listen to them without the benefits of "flash video" whatever they may be
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20:03<adb> 173% here ...
20:04<gnufan>Does top not list threads as tasks?
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20:04<Arrowmaster>600% usage here on youtube
20:04<gord>gnufan: wtf that site has me swapping like mad
20:05<Arrowmaster>are you using the text display april fools thing?
20:05<gord>maybe a leak or someting
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20:06<gnufan>Ah "H" in top to show threads. Just visiting the link above - NoScripts seems to trust YouTube (surely some mistake).
20:06<gord>grrr, my weasel fell over :(
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20:06<Arrowmaster>its that video, i tried a different one and it was only using 20%
20:06<Arrowmaster>but that one is using over 100%
20:07<gord>.swf = swap writes furiously
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20:08<adb>gnufan, paste a bug report about that on ... youtube
20:08<gord>they'll fix it in a `flash`
20:08<gord>gtg I'm annoying myself, nite all
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20:11<gnufan>Any of you using Firefox 3.6 not the weasel who see the slow down? I assume it is the Adobe plugin
20:11<weasel>call that browser by its proper name.
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20:12<drewdavis>I didn't see any problems using Konqueror.
20:15<Arrowmaster>i just clicked on a link on the youtube front page, some space chair thing and it only used 20% but then i tried some starcraft2 video and it was over 100%, so it seems to depend on the video
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20:16<ml|>yes, flash sucks; here that video in ff ~100-150% and sometimes less typical flash
20:17<Arrowmaster>cant wait till firefox gets gstreamer support
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20:57<piero>Hi! My iceweasel takes a lot of time to resolv hostnames. If I try "host" in the shell I take it ready in less than a second, but the browser takes at least some seconds for each name. What should be happening?
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21:00<piero>I think my problem is ipv6 related. How can I disable it?
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21:01<dpkg>[noipv6] To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo "install ipv6 /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for the changes to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option "ipv6.disable=1" to your bootloader.
21:01<houms>I cannot get sound in flash videos/animation.. debian x64 testing with flashplayer-nonfree
21:03<piero>adb, So you think ipv6 could be my problem?
21:04<adb>piero, i dunno, but get a try
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21:05<piero>adb, how can I add these line in my grub 2?
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21:06<adb>piero, i dont use grub 2, but test it as bot says
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21:46<clin>has anyone encountered the error 'can't access tty; job control truned off'?
21:46<clin> i search on the internet, but most are problems no solution.
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21:59<adb>clin, uname -r , says ?
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22:09<baloo>Where can I find ia32-libs-kde?
22:09<clin>it's debian with 2.6.32-trunk-686 running on virtualbox
22:09<User_007>hello, will Squeeze have GNOME 2.30?
22:10<clin>baloo: have you tried aptitude?
22:10<baloo>Yes, also checked p.d.o
22:14<ml|>judd versions gnome
22:14<judd>gnome -- etch: 1:; lenny: 1:2.22.2~5; sid: 1:2.28+6; squeeze: 1:2.28+6
22:15<User_007>ml|, will Squeeze release with Gnome 2.28, 2.30 or 3 ?
22:16<ml|>nobody will know until squeeze becomes stable
22:16<User_007>Everbody knows that 2.30 is out?
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22:18<ml|>there is no ia32-libs-kde afaict
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22:28<baloo>OK, well, let's try this, then. Can anybody else propose a solution to
22:28<baloo>(no, the readme advertised wasn't useful)
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22:31<peeves>anyone around?
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22:32<dondelelcaro>peeves: ?
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22:32<baloo>peeves, ask the question?
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22:32<baloo>Or check /who if that was your actual question?
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22:46<alephnull>I haven't got any updates for sid in a while... Is something up with the mirrors ? The status page seems to indicate that ftp-master is still at March 25th.
22:47<ml|>alephnull: /msg dpkg ries
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22:56<alephnull>Ah, ok
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22:58<alephnull>Ah, ok.
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