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00:17<LokiChaosE>is it possible to change the directory apt-get logs to? I've been able to find how to change it for aptitude and dpkg, but apt-get's log settings still evade me
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00:20<opticon> i use ssh and x on debian5 but from remote locations app's that i run with x seem super laggy is their any settings that i can change to make it better?
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00:30<LokiChaosE>ah nvm: /etc/apt/apt.conf add Dir::Log "newpath";
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01:26<MeglaW_>adding "alias wlan0 ndiswrapper" to /etc/modprobe.d/ndiswrapper ...
01:26<MeglaW_>woorks good
01:26<MeglaW_>but when i do modprobe ndiswrapper it says ndiswrapper not found
01:27<gsimmons>dpkg: tell MeglaW_ -about ndiswrapper one-liner
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01:44<MeglaW_>ok.. now it does nothing inted...
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01:54<gsimmons>MeglaW_: You will need to be more descriptive regarding your issue, if you require further assistance. Have you installed the NDIS driver?
01:56<MeglaW_>well, i got the windows driver, unpacked it, ndiswrapper -i netmw13b.inf, it worked, did, ndiswrapper -l and it found it
01:56<MeglaW_>if i do lspci 05:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88w8335 [Libertas] 802.11b/g Wireless (rev 03)
01:56<MeglaW_>thats what it says
01:56<MeglaW_>then i did ndiswrapper -m
01:56<MeglaW_>and it adds an alias
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01:57<MeglaW_>then i did modprobe ndiswrapper, and it protested, i did what dpkg told me to do, and now i get nothing returned on modprobe ndiswrapper
01:57<MeglaW_>and i dont have a wth0 or whatever in my list of interfaces
01:58<sney>modprobe returns nothing when it works, does ndiswrapper show up in lsmod
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01:59<gsimmons>MeglaW_: Try reinserting your Cardbus device.
01:59<gsimmons>How do you think? :)
02:00<gsimmons>No, physically detach from the system and re-insert.
02:00<MeglaW_>ok.. i just reeboted the box but ok
02:01<MeglaW_>nope, that did nothing
02:01<MeglaW_>well hehe ok it did, its not in lspci anymore. :)
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02:11<MeglaW_>maybee its prism chipset..
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02:12<gsimmons>MeglaW_: No, you have the Marvell 88w8335 (Libertas) as indicated earlier. Which specific NDIS driver did you install?
02:14<MeglaW_>Vista NDIS driver INF for Libertas 802.11 Wireless
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02:14<gsimmons>MeglaW_: That's wrong. NDISwrapper doesn't support NDIS 6, you need to supply a Windows XP driver.
02:15<gsimmons>(which dpkg did mention in the one-liner)
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02:19<MeglaW_>maybee it did..
02:19<MeglaW_>can u tell me how to unload that driver now and ill find the right one
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02:23<gsimmons>MeglaW_: Use the -e option in the ndiswrapper user-space tool. You can acquire the NDIS 5.1 driver from Netgear's WG511v2 support page in an encumbered InstallShield format, but I can repackage these for you if necessary.
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02:27<MeglaW_>yesh if you want to, it would help. :)
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02:29<gsimmons>MeglaW_: Sure, just a moment.
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02:32<twb>Anybody know why this udev rule isn't working for me? SUBSYSTEM=="acpi", DRIVER=="processor", ATTR{sysdev/cpufreq/scaling_governor}="conservative"
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02:33<twb>I'm thinking that it's because acpi-cpufreq isn't loaded when udev first sees the acpi processor objects, so that attribute doesn't exist.
02:33<twb>But I can't work out a pattern to match cpufreq itself
02:35<jm_>twb: have you tried using udevinfo/udevadm to debug it?
02:35<twb>I don't really understand how.
02:35<twb>I'm using "udevadm info".
02:35<twb>But I don't know how to use udevadm trigger or whatever
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02:38<MeglaW_>gsimmons: i cant figure out how to unpack that file to get at the files i need..
02:39<twb>Does udev put log entries anywhere?
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02:41<gsimmons>MeglaW_: Included is the Windows XP driver currently found in Netgear's "WG511v2 Software Version 3.2", along with an older Marvell driver as an alternative.
02:41<jm_>twb: hmm are you sure this is the right way to approach the problem of setting a governor?
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02:42<MeglaW_>thx m8
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02:44<MeglaW_>ndiswrapper -m
02:44<MeglaW_>module configuration already contains alias directive
02:47<MeglaW_>and then modprobe ndiswrapper does nothing again and i get no new interfaces...
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02:48<MeglaW_>light light!
02:49<MeglaW_>ok, i got wlan0 now. :)
02:50<beers>will the new xorg-xserver 1.8 be part of squeeze or is it to 'new'?
02:51<MeglaW_>thx gsimmons!!!
02:51<gsimmons>MeglaW_: np
02:52<twb>jm_: I was using sysfs, but sysfs can't react to /sys stuff being created.
02:53<twb>jm_: the usual "right" way is to 1) run some damn silly userspace daemon; or 2) react to the AC being connected/disconnected in /etc/acpi/events.
02:54<twb>jm_: but *I* want to just set it once, at boot time, preferably without recompiling the kernel to change the built-in default.
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02:57<MeglaW_>now all i need to do is figure out how to work this..
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02:59<jm_>twb: ahh you can do that via cpufrequtils init script
02:59<jm_>twb: or sysfsutils
02:59<jm_>that's how I do it
03:00<twb>The former I specifically want to avoid, because it's a bag of wank. The latter isn't working reliably because I'm using startpar and (I think) sysfs isn't guaranteed to run after the modprobe.
03:00<twb><guy across the partition> suggested I can make it an option to the modprobe call, so I'll look into that.
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03:02<Worn>Hello everyone. Could u help me? The thing is, my Debian Lenny OS doesn't find any local network
03:03<Worn>Cable is plugged in and Debian can see my net card
03:03<jm_>twb: which module option would that be?
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03:04<twb>Dunno, his machine isn't online for him to check :-(
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03:04<jmho_>I'm having problems with git after upgrade to on Debian/sid: "git svn rebase" does not work anymore, error message is "git: 'svn' is not a git command. See 'git --help'.". The git-svn package is installed, however the git package is still at (not sure if this might be a problem)
03:06<Maulkin>That sounds like the git package is actually from experimental
03:06<Maulkin>So is likely broken
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03:06<MeglaW_>gsimmons: it works, im online from wlan now. :)
03:07<jm_>Worf_: what does find my local network mean then?
03:08<jmho_>Maulkin: ok, thanks
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03:09<Worn>Jm: we got a workgroup in our company and now my Debian doesn locate any network exept Localhost =(
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03:12<MeglaW_>im using network-admin (gtk GUI) to fill in the wlan stuffs... but i dont see an option for no encrypion key
03:12<MeglaW_>i wanna use it open
03:14<jm_>Worn: you mean windows stuff?
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03:19<Worn>Jm: no.. samba is working properly.
03:20<jm_>Worn: what else is a workgroup then?
03:21<MeglaW_>wicd awesome
03:21<Worn>Local network. we have 22 computers in our net. And if you have connection to this network, you can see data shared at the other 21 computer
03:21<jm_>yes, and they are windows computers aren't they?
03:21<Worn>+ internet is available through this network
03:22<Worn>yep, there are some windows comps
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03:22<jm_>so that belongs under windows stuff - there are tools to brwose windows network for Linux
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03:23<Worn>I know. I ve already configured Samba at every Linux machine. There no probs with that
03:23<jm_>no, samba is for reverse - to have windows computers access files on a linux one
03:24<Worn>Forget about samba. Its okey with windows comps & Linux comps. Windows can see Linux and Linux can see Windows
03:24<Worn>its all configured
03:25<Worn>The problem is: i'm starting 1 of Linux computers and it doesn't connect to our network automatically!
03:26<jm_>your problem descriptions are abysmal - what does connect to our network mean? how should it connect?
03:26<OdyX>Worn: DHCP issue then.
03:26<Worn>Debian sees Ethernet controller, but it doesn't connect to the network.
03:26<jm_>you mean interface is not configured or what?
03:27<Worn>System--> Parameters--> Network Manager Editor. There are no networks at all
03:27<Worn>But the cable is plugged in
03:28<Worn>tj the Ethernet controller
03:28<jm_>you should configure it via interfaces file, try to avoid NM as much as you can
03:28<Worn>Sorry about my English, guys. the thing is i'm russian =(
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03:29<Worn>Jm: where can I find interfaces file?
03:29<jm_>Worn: man interfaces will tell you its location
03:29<jm_>Worn: examples are in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown
03:33<Worn>GUYS. I guess I found a mistake
03:34<Worn>at the RUN folder there's a file ifstate
03:34<Worn>here at this computer the content is: lo=lo
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03:34<jm_>ifstate is created by ifupdown if it's configured in the interfaces file
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03:35<Worn>and at computer that has no connection there's: lo=lo
03:35<Worn>only localhost
03:35<jm_>yes, see above
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03:35<Worn>if I correct this file ifstate it will help?
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03:36<jm_>no, you need to configure your interface
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03:39<Worn># This file describes the network interfaces available on your system
03:39<Worn># and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5).
03:39<Worn># The loopback network interface
03:39<Worn>auto lo
03:39<Worn>iface lo inet loopback
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03:39<pishguy>/bin/sh: cups-config: not found
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03:40<pishguy>who to install cups-config ?
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03:41<jm_>cups-config is in libcups2-dev, but do you really want to use it?
03:41<jm_>!tell Worn -about paste
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03:45<pishguy>jm_: success. tnx. printer state:idle - Filter directory "/usr/lib/cups/filter" for printer "ML-2510_series" not owned by root
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03:45<pishguy>jm_: whats that ? who to ?
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03:47<jm_>pishguy: what do you mean?
03:49<pishguy>jm_: i getting this problem and cant print document . printer state:idle - Filter directory "/usr/lib/cups/filter" for printer "ML-2510_series" not owned by root
03:49<pishguy>jm_. and cant Print Test Page
03:50<jm_>pishguy: who changed the ownership of it?
03:50<pishguy>jm, nobody
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03:50<jm_>pishguy: it is owned by root in debian
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03:51<pishguy>jm. who to change it ?
03:51<jm_>pishguy: ehh? it should be owned by root as the message says
03:51<Worn>allow-hotplug eth0
03:51<Worn>iface eth0 inet dhcp
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03:52<jm_>Worn: please don't paste here, use a pastebin like dpkg told you
03:52<Worn>Guys, its all okey there, but ifstate config doesn't generates properly
03:52<jm_>Worn: and make sure you have "auto" flag set for it
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03:53<pishguy>jm_ , who to change ownership for root ?
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03:53<jm_>pishguy: /usr/lib/cups/filter
03:55<pishguy>jm_. its directory and that have any file .
03:55<Worn>Jm: I've pasted intefaces file to "dpkg"
03:55<jm_>pishguy: yes, it should be owned by root
03:55<jm_>Worn: you didn't understand - you paste it to the web page dpkg told you about and then give us URL for your paste
03:55<Worn>aa.. okey
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03:56<pishguy>jm_: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root . its set for all of files and etc.
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03:56<Worn>here you go:
03:57<jm_>worn: add auto eth0 and then run "ifup eth0"
03:58<jm_>pishguy: what's your native language?
03:59<Worn>Jm: whats the full comand? /etc/network/interfaces/run ifup eth0?
03:59<jm_>Worn: no, just "ifup eth0"
03:59<pishguy>jm_. persian
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03:59<Worn>okey, afk 2 mins. I'll try
03:59<jm_>pishguy: hmm no idea if there's a channel for that
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04:00<pishguy>jm_. we haven't any channel for own language
04:01<jm_>pishguy: anyway, what does 'ls -ld /usr/lib/cups/filter' show? and are you using debian?
04:02<pishguy>jm_ , drwxr-xr-x 2 tuxworld tuxworld 4096 Jan 24 2007 /usr/lib/cups/filter AND i useing debian testing
04:02<jm_>pishguy: see? it's not owned by root, someone messed with it
04:02<pishguy>jm_. hummm!
04:03<pishguy>jm_:drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan 24 2007 /usr/lib/cups/filter OK?
04:03<jm_>pishguy: yes
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04:06<pishguy>jm_ , after success that problem . i cant Print Test Page . why?
04:06<jm_>pishguy: did you check cups logs?
04:06<Worn>Jm: after ifup eth0, it says "there no such device, cant'n bring up eth0"
04:07<Worn>BUT. If I go system--parameters--system profiler and benchmark, I can see my Ethernet controller
04:07<jm_>Worn: ok, ls /sys/class/net
04:07<pishguy>jm_. Printer warning . Printer 'ML-2510_series' : ' cups-insecure-filter' .
04:07<jm_>pishguy: try to remove that printer and add it via web interface instead
04:08<pishguy>jm_ , ok wait ...
04:08<Worn>Jm: only lo there
04:08<pishguy>jm_ : There was an error during the CUPS operation: 'client-error-forbidden'.
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04:09<jm_>Worn: so your driver isn't loaded or doesn't recognize your controller
04:09<jm_>pishguy: that's configured via cups config but localhost should be allowed
04:09<Worn>Jm: I just need to reinstall driver for that controller?
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04:10<jm_>Worn: no, let's investigate it first - run lspci -nn and tell me PCI ID of it (the number in [xxxx:xxxx]
04:10<Worn>the controller is at the motherboard, are there any drivers for ASUS ?
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04:12<pishguy>jm_.delete and new install . Printer warning . Printer 'ML-2510_series' : ' cups-insecure-filter' .
04:13<jm_>pishguy: how did you add it?
04:13<pishguy>jm_: yes
04:13<pishguy>jm_: cups-insecure-filter: command not found
04:14<jm_>pishguy: how did you add the printer?
04:14<Worn>[0200]: Attansic Technology Corp. L1 Gigabit Ethernet Adapter [1969:1048] (rev b0)
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04:14<pishguy>jm_, system-config-printer and system-setting
04:15<jm_>pishguy: how about if you add it via web interface?
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04:15<jm_>judd pciid 1969:1048
04:15<judd>[1969:1048] is 'L1 Gigabit Ethernet' from 'Atheros Communications' with kernel module 'atl1' in lenny. See also
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04:15<jm_>Worn: ahh I have l1 in my box too, Asus P35 motherboard - what happens if you load this driver?
04:16<pishguy>jm_. my printer have installation cd . i use it and add from system-config-printer
04:16<jm_>pishguy: is it a samsung? don't use that
04:16<Worn>Jm: exuse me? I gave u that ID, what should I do now?
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04:16<jm_>Worn: modprobe atl1
04:17<pishguy>jm_, yes it's samsung ML-2510
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04:18<jm_>pishguy: right, use splix - it should support your printer, it works with my 1640
04:18<Worn>nothing happens, Jm, there s no network at that computer, I cannot load atl1
04:18<Worn>Maybe I should try at this normal comp?
04:18<jm_>Worn: ok, what does "ls /sys/class/net" say now?
04:19<Worn>Just a sec, I'll get tj that comp and see
04:19<jm_>worn: you need to run modprobe on that computer! does lsmod list atl1?
04:20<Worn>yep, a runned modprobe at that comp withoutany effect
04:20<jm_>it's usually a good sign if modprobe doesn't say anything :)
04:20<jm_>pishguy: no, use apt to install it
04:21<Worn>ls /sys/class/net still only "lo" =(
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04:21<pishguy>jm_. installed . who to use it ?
04:22<jm_>check what kernel says with dmesg command
04:22<jm_>pishguy: http://localhost:631/
04:23<Worn>lsmod list atl1 "Usage: lsmod" thats all =(
04:23<Worn>ls /sys/class/net still only "lo"
04:23<XayOn_>Worn: lsmod|grep atl1
04:23<jm_>wtf, this makes no sense to me
04:24<jm_>yeah wrong command
04:24<jm_>Worn: what's your kernel version? uname -r
04:25<pishguy>jm_: Samsung_ML-2510_Series-62  Test Page  root  1k  Unknown  stopped   ( not print test page )
04:25<Worn>lsmod|grep atl1 - atl1 28360 0 and mii 4896 atl1
04:26<Worn>uname -r: 2.6.26-2-686
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04:27<jm_>Worn: please put the output of dmesg command on pastebin
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04:28<jm_>pishguy: what does lpstat -a say?
04:31<orjan>Hi, after an update on squeeze I got changed X resolution. sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg just returns to prompt with no change. Is there a new way of doing X config?
04:31<jm_>orjan: did you check your X logfile?
04:32<pishguy>jm_: Samsung_ML-2510_Series accepting requests since Mon 12 Apr 2010 04:31:20 AM EDT
04:32<orjan>off to check logfil
04:32<jm_>pishguy: how about 'cupsenable Samsung_ML-2510_Series'?
04:33<jm_>worn: no we have seen that, we need the output of the "dmesg" command, it's very long
04:33<Worn>okey...... but I have to write it down to paper and then type it here, on this machine
04:34<jm_>you can't transfer it via other method? usb? floppy?
04:34<Worn>I ll try. afk 3 min
04:34<jm_>because you won't be able to write that down
04:34<jm_>today that is :)
04:35<pishguy>jm_ : ohhh !! thats ok . i can print any document and test page now ! . thank you very much :)
04:35<jm_>pishguy: no worries
04:36<orjan>checked Xorg logfile nothing obvios to me except resolution 1152x864 used to be 1280x1024 I think
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04:36<jm_>it should also mention what monitor reports, i.e. its capabilities
04:36<pishguy>jm_. thanks
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04:40<orjan>jm_: there is a lot in the logfile, I tried to look an error.
04:41<orjan>what to search for?
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04:41<jm_>Worn: atl1: probe of 0000:02:00.0 failed with error -5, I would try with a newer kernel
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04:42<orjan>jm_: ok under probed modes ther is no 1280x1024
04:42<jm_>orjan: I can't tell you that since I don't know how each driver lists this, but it should mention DDC or EDID or somesuch
04:42<Worn>can I update the kernel without reinstalling the whole OS ? and... Jm, it was all okey yesterday. this problem occured today
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04:44<jm_>Worn: yes, you just install another package - did you try rebooting it? there's one IRQ issue reported too
04:44<nextime>Hello. I have an internal deb repository where i put my internal-use only packages. This repo needs to be multiarch and i manage it by using svn-autoreleasedeb, dupload and reprepro
04:44<Worn>I've rebooted it several times, thougth it might help...
04:45<nextime>i'm using different machines and virtual machines to build the packages
04:45<jm_>Worn: hmm try a newer kernel then
04:45<jm_>Worn: you can find it on
04:45<babilen>!tell Worn -about bpo
04:45<jm_>Worn: and if it works fine otherwise, you might want to think about reverting the changes you made now
04:45<nextime>now, if i build a package with arch:all the problem is that for every arch where i build it i have a different .changes file with different checksums for the all package
04:45<nextime>and of course reprepro doest't like it
04:45<jm_>babilen: he has no network ;)
04:46<nextime>any suggestion on how to do it in the right way?
04:46<babilen>jm_: ah - late to the party. carry on :)
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04:46<Worn>wait... how can I install a newer kernel if I dont have an Internet?
04:46<jm_>Worn: dpkg -i file.deb
04:47<XayOn_>Worn: an internet? :D
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04:47<Worn>okey. so I download it here and transfer to that machine, right?
04:47<babilen>Worn: You can download the package from, transfer it with, for example, a usb stick and install it with the dpkg as jm_ showed you
04:47<orjan>jm_: ok under edid it says for all mode lines (hsync out of range)
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04:49<jm_>orjan: can you paste the file to some pastebin site?
04:49<orjan>jm_: ok first time I ask dpkg how
04:50<jm_>orjan: using pastebinit package is the simplest way
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04:51<Worn>deb lenny-backports main contrib non-free - I should add this to the source list?
04:51<Worn>and then enter Synaptic and search for "kernel"?
04:53<jm_>Worn: you will need working networking for this
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04:54<Worn>mmmm..... and if I want to download a package withouth installing it?
04:54<jm_>you can use your web browser
04:55<jm_>click on the right one and you'll be able to download it
04:58<Worn>2,9 kByte ?? is it okey for Linux kernel?
04:58<orjan>hmm how do I use pastebinit tried "pastebinit -i logfile"
04:58<jm_>you probably downloaded meta package
04:59<jm_>orjan: and it didn't work?
04:59<babilen>orjan: There might be a problem with pastebinit - just "pastebinit -b logfile" should work
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05:00<orjan>ok better :)
05:00<pishguy>who to print odd/even pages on OOP ?
05:00<jm_>hah atom
05:01<twb>babilen: pstops?
05:01<orjan>jm_: yes worked very nice untill last update
05:01<pishguy>OOP= Open Office
05:03<jm_>orjan: hmm I am always puzzled when reading intel driver info -- what's the best your monitor can do?
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05:04<Worn>linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.3-686_2.6.32-9~bpo50+1_i386.deb 25.2 Mb correct?
05:04<babilen>orjan: The paste was probably incomplete, could you paste the last 100 lines please .. (if they indeed differ from the last 100 lines of the paste)
05:04<orjan>jm_: I have used 1280<1024 before
05:04<babilen>orjan: The last line you pasted is (II) "Macintosh mouse button emulation": initialized for relative axes.
05:04<babilen>orjan: line 436
05:04<babilen>Worn: yes
05:05<Worn>any other packeges that I'll need? because there's no internet at that comp
05:05<jm_>orjan: does 'get-edid | parse-edid' report anything useful?
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05:06<SteppinRazor>Hi, is it possible to install 2 distros on 1 computer?
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05:06<jm_>SteppinRazor: yes
05:07<babilen>Worn: I don't think so.
05:07<orjan>jm_: get-edid was not installed, is the package read-edid?
05:07<jm_>orjan: yup
05:07<jm_>I shall try to run that on my atom once
05:08<orjan>babilen: that was the last lins in the log
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05:10<babilen>orjan: Ok, it happens sometimes that logs are truncated and I wanted to make sure that this isn't the case. Your log looks fine on first inspection .. What is your problem?
05:10<SteppinRazor>jm_: ok, so just make 2 partions with both reiserfs and swap each?
05:10<jm_>SteppinRazor: why would you use reiserfs? yeah you can do that, you can even share swap but it's probably better to create 2 swap partitions if you can afford it
05:11<babilen>SteppinRazor: Don't use reiserfs
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05:11<SteppinRazor>jm_: is ext2 better?
05:11<jm_>SteppinRazor: use ext3
05:12<SteppinRazor>jm_: ok ext3
05:12<orjan>babilen: resoution changed from 1280x1024 to 1158x something at last update
05:13<twb>SteppinRazor: the rule of thumb is: use ext3 unless you know better
05:14<SteppinRazor>twb: thanks!
05:14<twb>Where "know better" is something like "I'm deploying oracle and I/O throughput is critical"
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05:17<Worn> updatedthe kernel...
05:17<orjan>jm_: ok run the get-edid | parse-edid and got some output, how do I get that into pastebinit?
05:17<Worn>no result, guys =(
05:17<twb>orjan: what model are you on?
05:17<orjan>twb: eh model of?
05:18<twb>orjan: oh, I thought you were on an Atom-based netbook
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05:18<orjan>twb: ah no a asus at5nm10-1
05:18<jm_>orjan: | pastebinit -b -i -
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05:19<twb>-i - is superfluous
05:19<jm_>orjan: out of curiosity, did you notice it reporting inconsistent temperatures too?
05:19<jm_>twb: how so?
05:19<twb>jm_: well, it WFM without it
05:20<twb>Maybe that's a sidism
05:20<jm_>twb: right, lenny says -i is a required argument
05:20<twb>Mea culpa
05:20<Worn>Jm: could u look through paste links? Updated the kernel--- no result =(
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05:22<jm_>Worn: hmm the same error, looking at the driver options
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05:28<orjan>starting to fell stupid.. tried get-edid | parse-edi>edid.txt, how should I do it?
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05:28<SteppinRazor>someone experience with wubi?
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05:30<jm_>Worn: hmm I think this fails somewhere in PCI stuff, maybe experiment with various PCI related kernel options
05:30<SteppinRazor>is it simulating linux in an running windows environment?
05:30<twb>Isn't wubi Ubuntu-speceific?
05:30<babilen>twb: I think so
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05:31<Worn>Jm: maybe it will be easier to reinstall Debian Lenny ?
05:31<twb>SteppinRazor: I think the Debian equivallent is
05:32<jm_>Worn: that is unlikely to help
05:32<babilen>orjan: Could you try setting the correct resolution with xrandr, please?
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05:32<jm_>orjan: either redirect output of parse-edid to a file like above and then repeat pastebinit command or pipe its output to pastebinit like I showed earlier
05:32<jm_>(repeat pastebinit with a new filename obviously)
05:32<babilen>twb: No it is not - that will install the debian installer and boot it the next time the computer is restarted
05:33<orjan>babilen: newer used xrander off to read manpage
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05:34<jm_>wubi web page says it does the same
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05:34<jm_>that is once one gets paste the non-working front page ;)
05:35<babilen>orjan: If that does not work, there might be something wrong with Xorg's autoconfiguration - You can specify the resolution in xorg.conf, but you *might* have to provide modelines .. Are you sure that you don't want 1360x768? (that is a discovered resolution). What is strange is that Xorg does not check for 1200x1024
05:35<Worn>Jm: so, what can I do further?
05:36<orjan>babilen: I checked xrandr -q no modeline with 1280x1024 there
05:36<jm_>Worn: boot with pci= options and see if it helps, or various apic options
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05:38<twb>Is orjan providing pastebin URLs that I'm not seeing?
05:38<babilen>twb: laste one was:
05:38<orjan>babilen: 1360x768 sound a strange resolution this is not a widescreen
05:39<babilen>orjan: But it is a resolution configured by Xorg - (II) intel(0): Not using default mode "1280x1024" (hsync out of range)
05:39<MeglaW_>how can i tell if my computer has usb 1 or 2 ports?
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05:39<orjan>twb: of what I'm might have failed following discussion here reading in otherwindows
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05:40<jm_>MeglaW_: which chipset is it? is ehci module loaded/
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05:40<twb>I'd be tempted to just write this off as the monitor reporting the wrong modes via EDID
05:40<orjan>hmm why doesn't get-edid | parse-edi|>edid.txt
05:40<jm_>orjan: remove th last |
05:41<jm_>get-edid | parse-edid > edid.txt
05:41<jm_>or get-edid | parse-edid | pastebinit -b ... -i -
05:41<XayOn_>Just fixed it with a livecd but it happened me twice that when upgrading, /sbin/* ends up with a-rwx permissions, so the initramfs ends up like that too... and obviously it wont work. Any clue?
05:42<twb>XayOn_: upgrading from what to what?
05:43<XayOn_>twb: a standard apt-get update && apt-get upgrade . In squeeze
05:43<twb>XayOn_: go through dpkg.log and find out what changed recently.
05:43<twb>XayOn_: maybe you can isolate the fault
05:44<orjan>jm_: hmm none of these worked...get-edid | parse-edit >edid.txt..get-edid | parse-edid | pastebinit -b http:/ -i -
05:44<XayOn_>twb: nothing interesting, no errors, and it happened me twice already
05:44<twb>XayOn_: shrug
05:44<orjan>the first with an empty file
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05:45<twb>orjan: do you have a file /sys/devices/*/*/drm/card*/card*-VGA*/edid ?
05:45<orjan>and teh other with You are trying to send an empty document, exiting. so same erroe
05:45<XayOn_>The only thing I think can cause something like that is the restrictive permissions bastille puts in there. But should be ok, and they were ok before updating. Also no bastille stuffs updated (saw it in dpkg.log ;) )
05:46<orjan>yes, -r--r--r-- 1 root root 128 12 apr 11.45 /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:02.0/drm/card0/card0-VGA-1/edid
05:46<jm_>orjan: interesting command, use script to capture its output - script edid.txt<enter> get-edid|parse-edid<enter>exit<enter> -- check file edid.txt
05:46<orjan>but the get-edid | parse-edit gives output on screen
05:47<jm_>yeah I am assuming it's writing directly to tty, for whatever reason
05:47<babilen>orjan: You missed a '/' in the pastebinit command
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05:48<xayon__>Yeah, like this I'm finally complete :)
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05:48<orjan>babilen: ok tried but didn't help
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05:48<orjan>guess it writes to screen direct
05:48<MeglaW_>jm_: no uhci is
05:48<jm_>MeglaW_: which chipset is it?
05:48<MeglaW_>i donno..
05:49<jm_>try lspci
05:49<MeglaW_>intel i guess
05:49<MeglaW_>ohh wow 440bx
05:49<MeglaW_>00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82440MX Host Bridge (rev 01)
05:49<MeglaW_>or mx hehe
05:49<jm_>yeah that's 1.x
05:49<MeglaW_>ok thx
05:49<orjan>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation N10 Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
05:50<jm_>orjan: not you, we know about yours from x logfile ;)
05:50<MeglaW_>thats that then
05:50<MeglaW_>onto my gfx
05:50<MeglaW_>ATI Technologies Inc Rage Mobility
05:50<orjan>jm_: :) ok
05:51<babilen>orjan: yeah - it seems to be writing directly as jm_ supected - is the resolution you want mentioned in the output?
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05:53<orjan>jm_: used script as you showed,
05:54<jm_>orjan: hmm useless, do you have monitor specs handy?
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05:55<orjan>jm_: no the sceen is something like 4 years old
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05:55<jm_>orjan: repeating from before - does your atom also report spurious tempareature readings?
05:55<twb>You can probably find the manual on the `net if you know its make and model
05:55<orjan>twb: how do I check?
05:56<jm_>doesn't it say anything on its fron panel?
05:56<twb>orjan: e.g. google for "Asus VW193D"
05:56<orjan>twb: I know for shure I used 1280x1024 before
05:57<orjan>Yes I will google but has to lofoff for lunch
05:57<orjan>thanks for the help :)
05:57<jm_>ok so once you know you can specify it manually in xorg.conf if automation fails
05:57<orjan>twb: will do after lunch
05:57<orjan>jm_: ok
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06:05<saleem>are these sources correct for lenny?
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06:07<saleem>any comments ?
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06:07<saleem>weasel :
06:07<saleem>would like to comment please?
06:08<jm_>why us mirror?
06:08<dpkg>proposed-updates are intended fixes for the <stable> and <oldstable> distributions, which require extensive testing before being accepted (see <point releases>). Ask me about <errata> to install.
06:09<saleem>jm_: us mirror is faster for me
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06:09<saleem>other than us mirror are the sources list correct?
06:09<babilen>saleem: Don't pick out single persons please
06:10<saleem>ok babilen , i asked weasel because yesterday i had an issue with cpio package and we had a talk about it
06:10<babilen>and you probably don't need all the deb-src lines - but it won't be problematic if you have them as well ... remove the proposed-updates
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06:10<@weasel>saleem: no, I would not.
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06:11<saleem>ok thank you babilen
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06:17<saleem>thank babilen , its all set now, going for lxde installation
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06:22<MeglaW_>no, i just decided i ran out of googlefu
06:22<MeglaW_>pls help me to install ati mobility driver. :)
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06:33<RichiH>weasel: i see you added to DNS on april 9st -- i thought it was available under that domain before?
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06:34<XayOn__>Hi there. I'm having an issue with libgetopt++-dev ... That's the complete info about my system, I'm just installing the libgetopt++-dev package and trying to compile a file with #include <getopt++/...> and no more code, then getting all that errors (it seems theer's more activity here than on freenode)
06:34<jm_>RichiH: was old server
06:35<RichiH>jm_: yes, but i was sure it was available under .org as well
06:35<twb>It lived a full life
06:37<gsimmons>RichiH: was used previously (before that,
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06:44<@weasel>RichiH: it was not.
06:45<dpkg> is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. This service replaces the old site that is no longer maintained.
06:45<simonrvn>'9th' btw ;)
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06:47<RichiH>simonrvn: i had typed april 1st as that is kinda a reflex :p
06:47<simonrvn>oh hehe
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06:55<EmleyMoor>Is there any way on a Debian system of checking voltages?
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06:56<koollman>EmleyMoor: if it's exported by the hardware, yes. install lm-sensors, then run sensors-detect once to configure it
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06:57*EmleyMoor looks...
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07:04<EmleyMoor>koollman: Not sure it found anything that helps much with that - found lm83...
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07:05<EmleyMoor>Anything I can usefully do to see what that gives?
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07:06<koollman>EmleyMoor: once you configured it (with detect), run sensors
07:07<koollman>(after you loaded lm83 with modprobe lm83)
07:08<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... finds none
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07:15<EmleyMoor>memtest86 vs. memtest86+ - what are the differences?
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07:32<AlBaTrOs>can anyone help me install some libs?
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07:32<kd35a>AlBaTrOs: what libs?
07:33<AlBaTrOs>for shoutcast
07:33<AlBaTrOs>they gave me the download links but i don't know how to install them
07:33<kd35a>ok, what is the link?
07:34<AlBaTrOs>there are the download links lower in the page
07:34<AlBaTrOs>icecast i meant..not shoutcast :)
07:34<AlBaTrOs>i did tar -xf on the first three
07:35<AlBaTrOs>and i don't know how to start the install
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07:36<icebrain>AlBaTrOs: you mean the language bindings?
07:36<AlBaTrOs>Icecast Library/Language Bindings
07:37<icebrain>are you sure you need binding for more than one language?
07:37<kd35a>ok, so you have downloaded and extracted? next step is opening a terminal, cd to the right directory (/where/you/downloaded/it/shout-python for example)
07:37<icebrain>anyway, you can find libshout in Debian repos
07:38<kd35a>sudo apt-get install libshout3 libshout-ocaml-dev
07:38<AlBaTrOs>the thing is that i can't start a shoutcast srv because i don't have any web server on it
07:39<AlBaTrOs>and althought i start ./sc_serv it doesn't show anything on http://ip:port/
07:39<kd35a>btw, why are you building everything yourself? icecast and icecast-server are included in the repos
07:40<kd35a>sudo apt-get install icecast-server icecast2
07:40<AlBaTrOs>and i changed to icecast because i had support but there;s noone online
07:40<kd35a>and you should be good to go
07:40<AlBaTrOs>ok thanks
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07:51<bremner_>what is the best way to handle user dirs for nginx? Actually I guess I just care about one user.
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07:59<ddilinger>when i try and use the passwd program it reports "passwd: System error" where would i start looking for why? i can still login and sudo and whatnot
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08:15<screenn>how to start up dhcpd for different subnets from one interface?
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08:17<screenn>I used for one interface eth0 subnet, it works, but when I try to show subnet which isn't an interface eth0 subnet, I get "dhcpd: Not configured to listen on any interfaces!"
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08:21<screenn>I mean shared-network interface parameter
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08:23<thrice>ok, this is a silly question, but how does networking get initialized at startup? it works great for me, after configuring /etc/network/interfaces for my wireless network, however "/etc/init.d/networking" doesn't seem to control it. works great at boot-time, though; where does the initialization happen, if not in that init script?
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08:26<koollman>thrice: magic! :)
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08:26<thrice>I made some changes to the /etc/network/interfaces file, but couldn't figure out how to restart it all
08:27<koollman>ifupdown and networking controls the network startup
08:27<koollman>for single interfaces changes, it's often preferable to use ifdown and ifup scripts
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08:27<thrice>ah, ok, hm.
08:27<koollman>ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 ; careful, you get disconnected if you are using eth0 to get to the machine
08:27<thrice>I did an "/etc/init.d/networking restart", which stopped it, but didn't do anything to start :>
08:28<thrice>(short of rebooting)
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08:28<thrice>that answers my question, though. thanks :)
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08:28<koollman>(the magic bits are in the relation between ifupdown init script and networking. they work a bit together)
08:30<thrice>so 'ifup' uses /etc/network/interfaces to do stuff too, like populate my wpa_supplicant.conf, etc, as I set it up to do so on the fly?
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08:31<koollman>thrice: basically, it reads /etc/network/interfaces, and do everything needed and specified to bring the interface in the 'up' state. wether it's dhcp request, ip setting, pre/post-up scripts, whatever
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08:49<nicola>in italian
08:49<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
08:50<nicola>is difficult to enter
08:50<nicola>how i manage
08:50<nicola>how could menage
08:50<noflash> /join #debian-it
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09:03<LEMOV>i need your help
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09:04<thrice>the best method is to ask a question
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09:04<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
09:05<LEMOV>!ask when i install debian 5
09:05<dr|z3d>LEMOV: Ask US the question.
09:05<LEMOV>after the choosing install in menu
09:05<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
09:06<LEMOV>it's write decompressing kernel.But after,she writes unable to handle kernel null pointer dereference
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09:06<LEMOV>virtual machine,128 mb ram
09:07<LEMOV>md5 checksum is normal...
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09:08<jm_>that's typically a kernel bug, but it might be a VM bug too
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09:08<LEMOV>kernel bug, but if i will install to another computer,may be this error will not appear?
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09:12<LEMOV>hey, will you answer to my question?
09:12<LEMOV>this error appear,because kernel can't work with my hardware?
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09:13<nostmith>LEMOV, the error might not apear on a real machine, or might. depends on so many factors, how can one know exactly?
09:13<azeem>128mb might be too small
09:13<thrice>try upping your ram
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09:13<LEMOV>but i have only 256 mb
09:14<azeem>then maybe don't run things virtualised on that machine
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09:14<LEMOV>knoppix is runned succesfully
09:14<LEMOV>but old version
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09:15<LEMOV>128 mb is coorectly for 4 version of debian?
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09:16<nostmith>LEMOV, i think it will be much easy to know if debian will work on your machine by installing it. dual boot would be easier if you are noot ready to dump windows. a virtual machine is not like a real one, there are so many things that are different.
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09:17<xzen>codes to add to play cryted & uncryped dvd and music any?
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09:17<xzen>i forgot
09:18<dr|z3d>xzen: You want to install gstreamer stuff.
09:19<dr|z3d>apt-cache search gstreamer
09:20<xzen>i coded that in already
09:20<xzen>but it's not taking the sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdrea/install -css.shd
09:21<xzen>i also tried install openjdk--jdk
09:23<dpkg>[sudo] (Substitute User DO) better than su, according to talon. Not enabled by default on Debian systems; configure /etc/sudoers first, ask me about <visudo>. sudo can give limited super user privileges to specific users, or allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program"., or <sudoers>
09:23<nostmith>!tell xzen -about selftel
09:24<nostmith>!tell xzen -about selftell
09:24<xzen>whats that nostmith
09:24<nostmith>have you read it?
09:24<nostmith>you should
09:25<less>!tell less -about selftell
09:25<less>oic :)
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09:49<sfyn>Anyone know the best way of changing the grub boot order of kernel versions in squeeze?
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09:50<thrice>edit your grub.cfg in /boot/grub/ ?
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09:51<sfyn>thrice: you mean the file that starts with a comment stating not to edit the file
09:52<sfyn>seems grub is absent menu.list in squeeze...
09:52<AlBaTrOs>is nostmith online?
09:52<thrice>sfyn, grub2 uses grub.cfg instead, which is generated via. files in /etc/grub.d/ and /etc/default/grub
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09:53<sfyn>ok - and you think I can just go ahead and make changes to grub.cfg (after backing it up of course)
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09:55<sfyn>thrice: actually, all I wanted to do is set the default - is there a better way of doing that than in grub.cfg?
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09:57<sfyn>aha - found this post to the ubuntu forums (
09:57<thrice>argh, I'm at work now (on windows), but I think it specifies which is default in there, doesn't it?
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10:00<sfyn>thrice: you could change by changing the menu entries in grub.cfg, but etc/default/grub is the appropriate place to change it
10:00<sfyn>gonna test the change - rebooting
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10:02<sfyn>That - did not work
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10:09<cotoi>hello i want now how to use rc.local
10:09<cotoi>it don't work i dont now why
10:10<cotoi>i put to boot ssh and after i reebot
10:10<cotoi>don't start the ssh
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10:14<sfyn>thrice: just so ya know, I had to run update-grub in order to get my changes to the default/grub file working
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10:27<nicola>italian ubuntu
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10:32<nicola>ubuntu italian chat
10:33<nicola>join debia-it
10:33<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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10:41<nicola>for enter in ubuntu italia
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10:41<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
10:42<bja>nicola: try asking in #ubuntu @
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10:42<nicola>i didn't menage
10:43<nicola>to enter
10:43<nicola>i don't remeber how
10:43<bja>nicola: What client are you using?
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10:43<nicola>X chat
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10:44<nicola>but i lwould like enter in that chat
10:45<bja>Main menu Xchat -> new -> server
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10:45<bja>or Server -> connect
10:45<bja>i am not sure. I don't use xchat
10:46<dr|z3d>nicola: /server or /attach or /connect
10:46<nicola>with wich instruction?
10:46<dr|z3d>One of those (or more) will work.
10:46<nicola>how choise italian?
10:46<nicola> ios italian?
10:46<azeem>nicola: ask elsewhere
10:47<nostmith>nicola: type /server
10:47<nostmith>nicola, then type /join #ubuntu-it
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10:52<bja>Totally ot question, I have a tinhat client, he is asking for an OS acordingly. Should I recommend FreeBSD or OpenBSD ?
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10:55<titan8990>bja: for what hosted services? quick answer there I would say openbsd... but it doesn't fit a lot of needs
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10:59<bja>titan8990: I really don't know. One of those paranoic clients you sometimes come across.
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11:00<titan8990>bja: well, openbsd has the extremely solid security track record... however, software is pretty limited. freebsd has a much larger ports collection.
11:00<bja>titan8990: I'll quote you on that
11:01<titan8990>also, I am not certain but I have read that ports in openbsd are not 100% supported, like backports in debian
11:01<titan8990>everyone uses them but not considered "part of the OS" kind of thing
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11:03<chl>what command can i check my cdrom is hooked at which /path (under /dev) ?
11:04<chl>i check /etc/fstab
11:04<chl>it says cdrom is at /dev/cdrom or #/dev/hda
11:04<chl>but none of them exists under /dev/
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11:06<bja>titan8990: thx the mail is on its way
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11:06<Pryon>chl: 'dmesg | grep CD-ROM' might contain useful information
11:07<chl>argh~ it is not there.
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11:07<chl>that means my cdrom is not detected, right?
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11:08<Pryon>chl: Or you've been running a while. Try looking in /var/log/dmesg
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11:08<chl>pryon: thanks. let me check it.
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11:10<dpkg>aavilches: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
11:11<nicola>i still didn't menage
11:11<nicola>to enter in debian-it
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11:14<musca>nicola: with xchat guide --->
11:14<chl>Pryon: I don't see anything related to cdrom. most of them are usb, acpi, etc. but no cd rom related (e.g. grep -i rom /var/log/dmesg)
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11:14<Pryon>chl: are you sure it's getting power? Its it connected to the bus?
11:15<nicola>how enter in deban -it?
11:15<locsmif>nicola: /join #debian-it
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11:15<bja>nicola: you've been invited to debian-it hover your mouse over the invitation and click on it
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11:16<chl>Pryon: sorry how can make sure it is connected to bus?
11:16<bja>little led that shines :)
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11:20<chl>bja: there are several led are shining, but i don't see any led shines beside my cdrom.
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11:21<bja>chl: push the eject button if the tray opens your cd has power. If not, then it is not connected
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11:22<darius>hi, is there some network rack diagram design tool for kde?
11:22<chl>eject button does work.
11:22<chl>bja: i found that it complains `tried to use `/dev/cdrom1' as device name but it is no block device'
11:23<bja>chl: bingo you have power, follow the instructions that you were given to check what is going on
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11:25<bja>chl: look on /dev dir for something that resembles a cdrom device
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11:26<chl>bja: that's the problem. I notice that there is no cdrom or cdrom1, which is written in /etc/fstab, exists under /dev
11:27<chl>does that mean i need to create one by myself?
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11:28<bja>!tell chl about unix lessons
11:28<bja>chl: check the part about logs
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11:31<chl>which message i need to look up in the /var/log/dmesg? sorry i know this may be stupid question, but i really don't see any info about cd rom or related.
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11:33<azeem>chl: try "dmesg | grep -i cd.*rom"
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11:34<chl>azeem: nothing returns.
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11:52<Aleric>{ struct Foo {}; Foo* p = static_cast<Foo*>(0); }
11:52<Aleric>oops, wrong channel
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11:59<darius>so what about rack modeling tool? is there any? tried Kivio and Dia, but no rack objects - just networking at best
11:59<darius>any sugestions?
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12:05<darius>i need to draw something like that and i prefere not to use gimp :) any sugestions?
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12:08<yeppson>hello worl
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12:18<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
12:19<WrzIprmft>I am preparing to apply a tutorial ( to get ISDN running on Debian, which includes comiling capi4kutils and mISDN into the Kernel. mISDN states to be included in newer kernels (which I am going to use), but I do not know about capi4kutils. Where can I find out, if these are already in my kernel (2.6.30 of kmuto's lenny-custom-0627.iso)? In case
12:19<WrzIprmft>need to compile them into the kernel, is it neccesary to download a kernel (source?) from or does the installer pool contain, what I need? (Last question is only because of the long duration of downloads here.)
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12:21<sney>I don't think kmuto's cd has the linux-source package
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12:22<sney>WrzIprmft: the file /boot/config-`uname -r` shows exactly how the running kernel was configured, you can grep it for specific things
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12:23<Bloup>hi there :-)
12:23<Bloup>french or english over here ?
12:23<Bloup>cheers buddy :-)
12:23<sney>for french there is #debian-fr
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12:23<Bloup> i need some help to create an ssl ftp server on my ubuntu 9.10...
12:24<Bloup>which soft do i have to use ?
12:24<ml|>you can always install a newer kernel after install
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12:24<sney>Bloup: please, this is not an ubuntu channel.
12:24<Bloup>is there one with a gui like filezilla server on windows ?
12:24<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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12:24<titan8990>hey... an op I haven't seen before
12:24<sney>(the package is probably still openssh-server, but ubuntu is not supported here.)
12:24<Bloup>so anyway .... can ypou please help me setting one on a debian distro ?
12:25<dr|z3d>Yup, indeed it is.
12:25<titan8990>Bloup: no
12:25<@weasel>Bloup: install debian. then we might.
12:25<Bloup>i'm going to install a debian okay ......
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12:25<Bloup>cul'8r :-)
12:25<chl>i think i know the problem.
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12:25<dr|z3d>Otherwise, try #ubuntu on freenode. Plenty of help there, BLoup.
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12:26<chl>looks like the dev is dvd1 not cdrom, which is recognied in the past.
12:26<chl>now it is working.
12:26<chl>thank you all your help: )
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12:26<sney>!congratulate chl
12:26<dpkg>Huzzah chl, you did it!
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12:27<WrzIprmft>sney: The problem is, that grepping /boot/config-`uname -r` only works after install and I need to know before installing
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12:28<chl>going to be offline now. thanks again. bye : )
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12:28<WrzIprmft>ml|: Installing a new kernel requires me to get that kernel, which needs an Internet connection. But the kernel modifications are needed to get an internet connection
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12:28<titan8990>WrzIprmft: what card do you have and what do you think you need to modify?
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12:28<sney>WrzIprmft: hmm, good point. I wonder which kernel kmuto installs by default
12:29<titan8990>sney: .32 currently
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12:29<sney>titan8990: ok, but which one? is he building it himself or is it out of squeeze/sid/bpo? I'm looking to find his config
12:30<WrzIprmft>titan8990: Fritz ISDN PCI. I linked a German tutorial earlier which sounds quite promising
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12:30<ml|>WrzIprmft: yes, but you are online now right? so download what you need[bpo kernel just incase] and install with kmuto; if needed manually install bpo kermel; that should work for you
12:30<titan8990>sney: doesn't mention it. I would guess its just a vanilla created with kernel-package
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12:31<WrzIprmft>sney: I am using lenny-custom-0627.iso from if that helps
12:32<titan8990>WrzIprmft: CONFIG_HISAX_FRITZPCI=y in the default kernel. I would assume the kumuto installer is the same. If it is not, you can just manually fetch and install the .32 from backports
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12:33<ml|>judd: kernels
12:33<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.4); sid: 2.6.32-4-686 (2.6.32-11); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.3-686 (2.6.32-9~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2)
12:33<WrzIprmft>ml|: The problem is that downloading a kernel just in case with an ISDN connection takes some time
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12:34<titan8990>WrzIprmft: download it with another PC, use a usb stick
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12:34<titan8990>WrzIprmft: the kernel is just a single package, not like you need a list of depends to go with it
12:35<ml|>and only ~28mb or so
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12:35<WrzIprmft>titan8990: I am not sure, if HISAX helps me, but I am trying to figure it out
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12:37<WrzIprmft>the files on were rather about 70 MB, if I recall correctly and downloading from another PC is no viable options either due to reasons, which to explain here, does not make any sense
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12:41<WrzIprmft>titan8990: Could you tell me, whether CAPI or mISDN appear in the default kernel (like HISAX) or where I can look that up myself?
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12:41<Asido>maybe anyone had problems with laptop Fn keys and made it work? (my ASUS F3Jc)
12:41<sney>CONFIG_ISDN_CAPI=m here, WrzIprmft, as well as a bunch of others. looks like it's in.
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12:42<sney>mISDN as well
12:42<WrzIprmft>sney: thank you
12:43<WrzIprmft>what does =m exactly mean? Or what is the difference to =y?
12:43<Asido>the brightness, sleep Fn keys works, but can't volume up/down/mute
12:43<Asido>that's in lenny. anyone has an idea?
12:44<azeem>Asido: such things are often problematic with notebooks
12:44<azeem>Asido: you can usually change the volume via some panel applet though
12:44<sney>WrzIprmft: that means it's a module and isn't loaded by default. you load it into the running kernel with modprobe.
12:45<sney>WrzIprmft: in Debian, most hardware drivers are compiled as modules to save on memory usage
12:45<Asido>azeem, yeh, i can with KMix, but Fn is much more convenient
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12:45<Asido>i had the same problem in slack13 btw
12:45<Asido>but fixed it by creating a new user lol
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12:46<Asido>with lenny that doesn't work :)
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12:46<sney>Asido: there may be something in /etc/acpi
12:46<titan8990>WrzIprmft: =m means its compiled as a module. =y means that it is "built-in" to the kernel
12:47<WrzIprmft>sney: ok, that was in the tutorial. And those modules to be loaded into the kernel come with the kernel, right?
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12:47<WrzIprmft> wonderful, this helps a lot (I hope)
12:48<sney>yes, it's looking promising for your connection
12:48<WrzIprmft>thanks so far
12:48<Asido>sney, i tried to create new files in /etc/acpi/events/ by looking at some forum suggestions
12:48<Asido>but the problem remains
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12:51<WrzIprmft>Another question: It seems that YAST has some features helping to configure ISDN with HISAX. Is there any chance that I can benefit of those on Debian?
12:52<sney>yast is the fedora thing, right? that wouldn't be compatible
12:52<WrzIprmft>I do not know about Fedora, but it's in SuSE for sure
12:53<WrzIprmft>But I think I can take that as a "no"
12:53<titan8990>sney: no, SUSE
12:53<Pryon>fedora would (probably) use yum, not yast
12:53<sney>I'm not very up on distros that I don't use :P
12:53<titan8990>WrzIprmft: yast2 is pretty specific to SUSE
12:54<titan8990>Pryon: yast actually isn't package management, its just a set of admin tools. the package management in "zypper"
12:54<azeem>WrzIprmft: I think you're pretty much on your own with ISDN these days
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12:56<WrzIprmft>azeem: I know, but it's just stabilizing my mother's machine once and for good and me troubling with ISDN is still much easier than what needs to be done for a better connection
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12:56<WrzIprmft>well, I got to go, thanks for your help so far
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13:04<M47r1x>Im are new in Backtrack 4
13:04<dpkg>BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. #backtrack-linux on See also <based on debian>.
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13:04<M47r1x>is really god the live cd :D
13:04<M47r1x>im from brazil
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13:04<M47r1x>i love linux :D
13:05<M47r1x>and all distributions
13:05<azeem>please read what dpkg said
13:05<M47r1x>ah ok sorry
13:06<M47r1x>what is command to i connect to
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13:14<bja>How long before ssh times out?
13:14<Asido>when i enter xev in console i get: xev: unable to open display ''
13:14<noflash>right after you kill it's pid :)
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13:16<bja>noflash: thx, ;P
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13:16<ml|>Asido: are you in X?
13:17<Asido>i type it in shell
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13:21<Dreakon>Hi everyone! I've noticed in the Debian Testing repo's that wine is still 1.1.41. Is there any convenient way to get the latest version (1.1.42) without having to build from the source?
13:21<dr|z3d>Dreakon: Sure. Add Wine's repo to your apt cources.
13:22<Dreakon>I did, I was also getting 1.1.41 from it, even when I commented out the Debian Testing repo's...
13:22<Torsten_W>in debian testing is no wine 1.1.41
13:23<dr|z3d>judd: versions wine
13:23<judd>wine -- etch: 0.9.25-2.1; etch-backports: 1.0.0-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.0.1-1; sid: 1.0.1-2; squeeze: 1.0.1-2; experimental: 1.1.24-2
13:23<Torsten_W>+ wine-unstable 1.1.32-1 in sid
13:23<Dreakon>well, I most definately have 1.1.41 on my laptop
13:24<Torsten_W>not from debian
13:24<thrice>probably from wine's repo then
13:24<Torsten_W>so it is
13:24<Dreakon>suppose so, either way apparently wine's repo's are outdated
13:24<Dreakon>so I suppose my best bet is building from the source and manually installing?
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13:26<Torsten_W>no one knows, what's the best for you
13:26<Torsten_W>why you need this version?
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13:28<selena>i'm study
13:28<Dreakon>Torsten_W: Because 1.1.41 introduces a problem where software wants to install everything to C:/windows, even if I tell it to install it elsewhere. This is supposedly fixed in 1.1.42.
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13:29<selena>do you speak spanish?
13:29<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
13:29<selena>i'm from spain
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13:30<Dreakon>Torsten_W: So I don't need advice of whether or not to install 1.1.42, I know I want to do that. I'd want to do that even if I didn't have any problems lol. I'm just curious the best course of action since all the repo's I try seem to be outdated.
13:30<selena>i speak a little of english
13:30<selena>i love you
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13:30<Dreakon>ich liebe dich
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13:31<selena>i dont understend
13:31<Torsten_W>Dreakon, if you want to compile yourself, build a deb
13:32<Dreakon>Torsten_W: Right, I tried that last night and it took over a half an hour and didn't show much sign of stopping, so I decided to cancel it and sleep. So I'm here now asking if anyone is aware of perhaps a repo that has 1.1.42, or perhaps a method of updating that doesn't involve building from the source...
13:32<Torsten_W>i have a repo, with wine 1.1.42
13:33<Dreakon>I see, would using such a repo also get me 1.1.42?
13:33<Torsten_W>Dreakon, this wine is build against debian sid
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13:34<Torsten_W>Dreakon, so, i don't know, if it propper work in debian testing, but maybe it does
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13:35<Dreakon>Torsten_W: Hmm... I see. If I build wine 1.1.42 myself and manually install it, how long do you think it should take? Like an hour? 10 hours? lol
13:35<Torsten_W>do i know your hardware?
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13:35<Dreakon>I suppose not.
13:35<prahal>hi. I get black screen while booting with newer initramfs (I have video=inteldrmfb in my grub kernel parameters)
13:35<Torsten_W>on my system wine-building needs ~8 min
13:36<Torsten_W>inclusive build the deb
13:36<prahal>does someone had a similar issue and how to work with the removal of framebuffer code form initramfs ?
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13:36<Dreakon>Is the process of building the deb different than my "./configure" "make" "make install" strategy?
13:37<Torsten_W>Dreakon, your "./configure" "make" "make install" strategy? is totaly wrong
13:37<amitz>basically oss is deprecated, alsa plan to be deprecated, and pulseaudio to be expected?
13:37<Torsten_W>since you bypass your package management
13:37<Dreakon>Fair enough Torsten_W, that's why I'm here. ;)
13:37<Dreakon>Getting help and all that jazz.
13:37<prahal>also does someone know of a small computer less or equal than 12 inch than sport an amd/ati video chipset ? possibly with a 64bit cpu and available in europa ?
13:37<Dreakon>What might the appropriate strategy be?
13:38<Torsten_W>Dreakon, building a propper deb
13:38<titan8990>phrosty: ##hardware on freenode
13:38<prahal>amitz: where have you heard that alsa is gonna be deprecated ?
13:38<prahal>titan8990: that was for me ?
13:38<titan8990>prahal: yes, sorry, tab-completion fial
13:38<Dreakon>Torsten_W: I'm afraid I'm still getting used to this Linux thing. Is there somewhere I can go with step by step directions on how to do that? Or is it simple enough that perhaps you could help me out?
13:39<amitz>prahal: it's a leap of assumption given pulseaudio is to be pushed. I'm wrong?
13:39<Torsten_W>Dreakon, you can read the new-maintainer-guide
13:39<prahal>amitz: pulseaudio runs on top of alsa and oss
13:39<amitz>oh, I misunderstood. Thanks.
13:39<Torsten_W>Dreakon, i think, no one here is willing to give a step-by-step guide for bilding debs
13:40<Dreakon>Torsten_W: Which do you think would be faster, learning to build debs or using "./configure" "make" "make install"?
13:41<prahal>it provides facilities (high level api, network sound, bluetooth routing) and improvements (less sound distortions than sound coming from plain driver when high load)
13:41<amitz>I see.
13:42<prahal>there is a step by step in the new maintainer section of the site (if starting from scratch) . If you use cmake there is cpack to build debs
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13:43<Dreakon>Would I be better off not trying to build the latest version of wine from source, if I'm still new to Linux and am a little overwhelmed by the new maintainers guide?
13:43<Dreakon>It's looking that way lol.
13:45<amitz>Dreakon: you're wine mainteiner? just wait for the release of their .deb.
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13:46<amitz>should only lag a few days behind, IIRC, last time I checked.
13:46<Dreakon>amitz: If that's the case, then I shall wait. I think it's been a few days since 1.1.42's release though. I need 1.1.42 to fix some critical problems installing some software. :P
13:49<amitz>eventually, you may want to setup git. You can get the newest version earlier, and you can identify the cause of regression when it happens.
13:49<Torsten_W>Dreakon, i can give you my deb
13:49<amitz>their IRC channgel should be able to help more.
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13:50<Dreakon>Torsten_W: I would be happy to give it a try if you don't mind.
13:50<Torsten_W>Dreakon, 32 or 64bit?
13:51<Dreakon>Torsten_W: 32 bit.
13:52<Dreakon>Torsten_W: Thank you, I'll give it a try. Much appreciated!
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13:57<ml|>Dreakon: fyi, another option to building a deb would be checkinstall ask dpkg /msg dpkg checkinstall; you can also use stow /msg dpkg stow to build from source, but this would not use apt* to manage, unlike the other two options
13:58<titan8990>ml|: wouldn't checkinstall be on option of *not* building a deb?
13:58<titan8990>ml|: nevermind, I just looked at it again. I had a misunderstanding of what checkinstall did
13:59<ml|>oh, ok
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14:00<Dreakon>Thanks for the assistance guys, and Torsten_W, that deb seemed to have worked quite well.
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14:01<AlphaJohn>Does anyone know how to install flash on iceweasel?
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14:01<Zxcvb>is the omnibook module still in lenny?
14:01<Dreakon>AlphaJohn, depends on how you want to do it.
14:01<AlphaJohn>I need to watch the Simpson :-)
14:01<thrice>AlphaJohn, you can add a separate repo, or just download and extract it to ~/.mozilla/plugins
14:02<ml|>AlphaJohn: you want free or non-free flash?
14:02<Dreakon>I personally install the flashplugin-nonfree package, but I think a lot of people would prefer to not use Adobe's closed source software.
14:02<sney>AlphaJohn: add contrib to your main sources.list entry and then aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree
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14:02<sney>you can also try mozilla-plugin-gnash, but it doesn't support as wide a variety of flash videos.
14:03<AlphaJohn>New at linux -- I have to read up about it
14:03<ml|>dpkg adobe flash
14:03<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is <non-free> and cannot be in a stable Debian release, as Adobe doesn't provide security support for older versions (see The easiest way to install flash is with the flashplayer-mozilla package from <>; there is also a flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package for sid and users. Ask me about <dmm> <bpo> <non-free>.
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14:03<sney>oh right, it isn't in lenny.
14:04<Zxcvb>dpkg omnibook
14:04<dpkg>Zxcvb: i haven't a clue
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14:05<AlphaJohn>Thanks dpkg I'll read about it at
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14:05<ml|>dpkg: bot
14:05<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
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14:06<AlphaJohn>This a lot like MIRC
14:06<sney>mirc is a windows client for the same thing. so, yes.
14:07<Dreakon>Pretty neato, isn't it?
14:07<AlphaJohn>what is the best place to learn Linux?
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14:07<Dreakon>I'd say searching forums.
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14:08<valdyn>id say avoid forums like the plague
14:08<Dreakon>Fair enough.
14:08<sney> has a lot of good information, some of it is outdated though
14:08<valdyn>read a book, follow irc
14:08<Dreakon>Ask questions on here lol
14:08<ml|>AlphaJohn: /msg dpkg grounding and ask dpkg about anythinh you like in '<>'
14:08<valdyn>forums are full of people that are easily more clueless than you are ( you found irc )
14:08<Dreakon>Don't be silly, books are for squares.
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14:09<AlphaJohn>I agree; book become outdated right after they are published
14:09<valdyn>AlphaJohn: mailing lists are functionally equivalent to forums but theres *way* lower noise/wisdom ratio
14:09<Dreakon>I found plenty of useful information on forums back when I was just a lowly Ubuntu user.
14:09<valdyn>AlphaJohn: unix is essentially the same since the late sixties...
14:10<Dreakon>Though I will admit I generally found myself copying and pasting and relying entirely on them. On Debian I think I'm learning things more first hand.
14:10<titan8990>AlphaJohn: not all books... look at TCP/IP illustrated for example. published in the early 1990s, still one of the best books on the subject.
14:10<ml|>forums can be helpful, just depends on it's users
14:11<Dreakon>You're darn tootin they can be helpful.
14:11<AlphaJohn>I'm booting with different DVDs of Linux to get a feel for different versions
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14:12<centyx>valdyn: a lot has changed in the linux world in the past decade
14:12<valdyn>centyx: so?
14:12<valdyn>centyx: like what? a new posix standard came out?
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14:13<AlphaJohn>How do I respond to someone specific?
14:13<valdyn>AlphaJohn: like this
14:13<titan8990>AlphaJohn: type their name, using tab-completion
14:13<mac7>Hi, how can I get the KDE interface instead of gnome interface?
14:13<titan8990>AlphaJohn: you for example are: alp[TAB]
14:13<dr|z3d>mac7: Got KDE installed?
14:13<AlphaJohn>valdyn, Thanks :-)
14:13<mac7>yes kde installed
14:14<dr|z3d>mac7: Running GDM as your greeter?
14:14<centyx>valdyn: mostly in the kernel and it's supporting utilities, but it's still enough to make books outdated
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14:14<AlphaJohn>titan8990, thanks
14:14<dr|z3d>mac7: You probably are.. it's the login stuff.. at the bottom.. look for sessions and then select KDE.
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14:15<centyx>AlphaJohn: type the first few characters of the nickname and hit tab, xchat should complete it for you
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14:16<centyx>AlphaJohn: sorry, didn't see titan's reponse
14:16<valdyn>guess its a matter of viewpoint, but im not seeing change, im seeing few new features every year
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14:16<mac7>can't find sessions ...
14:16<valdyn>mac7: you cannot pick sessions in gdm?
14:16<dr|z3d>It's a dropdown menu, bottom of your greeter page, most likely.
14:17<AlphaJohn>centyx, thanks; but how come I have a comma instead of Colan?
14:17<dr|z3d>It should indicate Gnome currently.
14:17<valdyn>i think its even labeled "Sessions"
14:17<titan8990>valdyn: if you want to go into real specifics... example: 5 or so years ago, no HAL support for xserver, configured via xorg.conf. then you have automagic HAL. Now we have automagic udev
14:17<dr|z3d>Yup, think it is.
14:17<ml|>wouldn't he to /etc/init.d/gdm restart to see kde after he installed it?
14:17<centyx>AlphaJohn: that must be xchat's default, it's probably a setting in options somewhere. I don't use xchat, so I'm not sure how to change it
14:18<valdyn>titan8990: yea, small new features, thats what im saying
14:18<valdyn>titan8990: thats *good*
14:18<dr|z3d>ml|: Depends if he installed KDM, I guess.
14:18<ml|>dr|z3d: right or kdm
14:19<AlphaJohn>centyx: found it
14:19<dr|z3d>ml|: I think he may need to manually select KDE, in any event.
14:19<centyx>AlphaJohn: cool
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14:19<ml|>dr|z3d: yes
14:20<dr|z3d>mac7: Please don't attempt to pm me, even less a dcc chat.. we're ALL here to help you. :)
14:20<titan8990>valdyn: this book in my office on configuring sendmail from 1993 isn't very applicable... pretty sure it was pre m4 macros for the configuration
14:20<valdyn>titan8990: hehe
14:20<valdyn>titan8990: yea
14:20<valdyn>titan8990: i would still work though probably
14:20<titan8990>found one! :)
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14:22<AlphaJohn>I find Linux to be very user and system friendly. I can't believe it found and configured all the hardware on my laptop by just booting from a dvd
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14:22<dr|z3d>AlphaJohn: Be sure to let all your Windows loving friends know!
14:23<AlBaTrOs>can someone help me with an issue?
14:23<valdyn>AlphaJohn: we dont know
14:23<AlBaTrOs>i would like to create a user on debian just with ftp access, not with ssh
14:23<AlphaJohn>As soon as I get more comfortable with it I'm going to teach others!
14:23<valdyn>AlphaJohn: assign a restrictive or no shell
14:24<valdyn>AlphaJohn: wrong target
14:24<valdyn>AlBaTrOs: ^^
14:24<dpkg>[scponly] a restricted shell limiting user access to OpenSSH applications (scp, sftp). It can optionally operate chrooted, which requires a chroot jail for the user to be established; see /usr/share/doc/scponly/README.Debian and Debian bug #551868. See also <rssh>.
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14:24<AlphaJohn>valdyn: How and why?
14:24<valdyn>AlphaJohn: that was for AlBaTrOs
14:24<centyx>AlphaJohn: it definitely wasn't like that 10-12 years ago
14:24<AlphaJohn>I have a lot to learn
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14:25<valdyn>AlBaTrOs: thats an example of a restricted shell, for ftp only it would probably even more restrictive
14:25<AlBaTrOs>ok thanks
14:25<AlBaTrOs>i'll ask dpkg for details :D
14:25<valdyn>AlBaTrOs: but i brought that one up, because ftp is shite
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14:26<centyx>AlphaJohn: there's an enormous amount of online and system documentation, man pages, info manuals, docs under /usr/share/doc, etc
14:27<centyx>AlphaJohn: just using it, and playing around, experimenting, and reading all the documentation is the best way to learn, imo
14:27<ml|>AlphaJohn: message dpkg like I showed you above for some good reading
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14:28<selena>necesito tu ayuda
14:28<centyx>AlphaJohn: i never actually read a book about linux
14:28<AlphaJohn>centyx: That's what I'm doing, but its nice to know I can just ask someone :-)
14:28<centyx>AlphaJohn: yea, IRC is great too
14:28<dr|z3d>selena: English here, please. And perhaps pm bja?
14:28<dr|z3d>We don't need to see your !!! spam, thanks :)
14:28<sney>selena: /join #debian-es-cachondeo
14:29<selena>but i nesesit help
14:29<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
14:29<mac7>got kubuntu installed with nice interface but now gnome?
14:29<selena>help me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
14:29<mac7>don't understand
14:29<sney>selena: bja esta en #debian-es-cachondeo, ese es su cuarto de chat
14:29<dr|z3d>selena: /msg bja help!!!!
14:29<azeem>selena: stop repeating
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14:30<selena>can you speak at bja and help me
14:30<AlphaJohn>centyx: I was using IRC back in 92 I loved it
14:30<azeem>selena: this is a Debian support channel,
14:30<azeem>if you have a Debian question, ask it
14:30<sney>!es-social selena
14:30<dpkg>selena: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
14:30<azeem>if you want to contact bja, do that elsewhere
14:30<ml|>< sney> selena: /join #debian-es-cachondeo
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14:30<AlphaJohn>centyx: its ben a while since I chatted on anything
14:31<sney>mac7: this is #debian, we do not use or support ubuntu here.
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14:32<selena>ya lo se pero esque no se porque pero me an echado de un canal y bja es el genio del ordenador y le estoy pidiendo ayuda
14:32<sney>!ops selena
14:32<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: sney complains about: selena
14:32<centyx>AlphaJohn: irc can be good and bad, i think. i finally left efnet in 2005... shudder
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14:32<sney>heh, double team
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14:33<dr|z3d>ganneff got sloppy seconds.
14:33<AlphaJohn>centyx: I still use undernet a lot
14:33*dr|z3d hides.
14:33<AlphaJohn>centyx: what is the best version of Linux in your opinion?
14:34<centyx>AlphaJohn: i look at it like this... i use the version that takes the least amount of work for me to get it to the point where i want it
14:35<centyx>AlphaJohn: i prefer debian, personally
14:35<centyx>AlphaJohn: depends what your application is though
14:35<dr|z3d>AlphaJohn: There is no best.. really depends what you want to achieve, for one, and your experience level.
14:35<AlphaJohn>centyx: I'm incline to agree, but Knoppix is looking good... I'll triple boot
14:36<dr|z3d>Knoppix? That's more a rescue OS than anything else.
14:36<AlphaJohn>centyx: any problems with running multiple OSs?
14:36<centyx>AlphaJohn: i wouldn't put debian on an embedded system ( i've done it before )
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14:37<centyx>AlphaJohn: shouldn't be, different OS's have different boot requirements, but you should be fine
14:37<centyx>AlphaJohn: when I say OS's, I don't mean distro's, I mean non-linux OS's
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14:38<AlphaJohn>centyx: I have a few computers to experiment with, I'm looking forward to seeing what happens
14:38<centyx>AlphaJohn: cool, good luck!
14:38<centyx>AlphaJohn: the main thing I think is just having the time and energy to devote to playing with it
14:38<AlphaJohn>centyx: Thanks :-)
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14:39<centyx>AlphaJohn: it's pretty simple
14:39<centyx>AlphaJohn: just takes time
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14:47<centyx>i've been thinking of trying kfreebsd-gnu, but i've been using linux exclusively for so long, that I'm little worried about adjusting to a new kernel. Though I do like the prospect of less frequent kernel updates and pf ( I was an openbsd fan for a few years ).
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14:47<sney>!start a firewall war
14:47<dpkg>OpenBSD's pf *owns* your sorry little ipchains ass.
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14:48<AlphaJohn>centyx: I definitely have both
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14:49<AlphaJohn>centyx: Thanks for your advice. I'll talk with you later
14:50<centyx>AlphaJohn: np, have fun
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14:53<astronut>what's the ifdef for amd64
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14:56<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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14:58<mac7>Can't find Kubuntu only gnome :-(
14:58<astronut>ah, cpp -dM /dev/null ftw
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15:00<mac7>How can I get the Kubuntu interface back?
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15:01<azeem>mac7: ask #kubuntu on, not us
15:01<titan8990>azeem: you beat me
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15:03<sney>azeem, titan8990: I got him with that one earlier, it seems he's blind to any "*ubuntu is not debian" statements
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15:03<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
15:03<sney>nicola: what are you doing
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15:08<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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15:09<nostmith>i'm trying to install a package from an external source and i get python-desktop-agnostic: Depends: python (>= 2.6) but 2.5.4-9 is installed. i can't understand why i get this error despite the fact that i have phyton2.6 and python3 installed. is there a way to work around this kind of things? trying to install that package from source gave me almost the same error.
15:11<administrador>alguien me puede ayudar .tengo un servidor debian configurado con un proxy squid, pero a veces se cae la conexion
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15:14<ml|>judd versions python2.6
15:14<judd>python2.6 -- sid: 2.6.5-1; squeeze: 2.6.5-1
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15:15<chealer>!tell administrador about es
15:16<sney>administrador: por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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15:18<centyx>does anyone know if geli was ever added to freebsd-utils in kfreebsd-gnu?
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15:19<chealer>nostmith: you don't have a sufficient version of the python package to satisfy the problematic package's dependencies expression. you'd need to clarify what you mean by "this kind of thing".
15:20<centyx>n/m sorry, I don't see it in there
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15:21<nostmith>chealer, i have python2.5, python 2.6 and python3 installed. what do you mean with 'sufficient version of the python package'?
15:22<chealer>nostmith: version 2.6 or above of the python package. Which version of python do you have?
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15:23<nostmith>like i already said python2.5, python2.6 and python3 on a sid system.
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15:26<chealer>nostmith: I'm referring to the python package, not to the Python interpreter. What is your favorite package manager?
15:26<ml|>nostmith: seems like there is a problem with that package, since you have what's needed installed
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15:27<nostmith>chealer, i use aptitude most of the time.
15:28<chealer>nostmith: what version of the python package does aptitude show you have?
15:31<ml|>judd versions python
15:31<judd>python -- etch: 2.4.4-2; lenny: 2.5.2-3; sid: 2.5.4-9; squeeze: 2.5.4-9
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15:31<ml|>nostmith: and for python2.6?
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15:32<ml|>see what I mean
15:32<chealer>nostmith: The problematic package thinks it needs a higher version of that package.
15:32<adb>nostmith, ls -al /usr/bin/python > /usr/bin/python -> python2.5 , change that link to python2.6 , and try again to install or what you done before
15:32<houms>can anyone help me with gre tunnel?
15:32<houms>first does lenny support gre?
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15:37<titan8990>gre tunnel == PPTP?
15:37<valdyn>houms: you mean a pptp tunnel?
15:37<nostmith>adb, same kind of error. installing from the deb says: python-desktop-agnostic: Depends: python (>= 2.6) but 2.5.4-9 is installed.
15:38<titan8990>nostmith: that package is built for debian?
15:39<houms>no i mean a GRE tunnel
15:39<titan8990>it should Depends: python2.6 (version). it looks like that package was intended to be installed on a distro with 2.6 as the default
15:39<houms>I am looking at what locklace sent me
15:39<nostmith>titan8990, actually no. but using the source has the same problem.
15:39<valdyn>houms: well, gre is a protocol, not a tunnel
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15:39<titan8990>nostmith: might need to modify debian/control
15:39<houms>looking at what locklace sent me,
15:40<ml|>nostmith: make to reverse what you did
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15:40<nostmith>ml|, ya, i know
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15:42<nostmith>titan8990, can you explain?
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15:42<dpkg>The New Maintainer's Guide (, Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see
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15:43<houms>locklace is the net and iface abbreviations, or am i supposed to create the dir /etc/net? because it does not exist
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15:43<nostmith>titan8990, i was hopping to skip that atm. :))
15:43<titan8990>nostmith: the control file determines what a package depends on, unless it uses dh_shlibdeps, then depends will be filled in at build time
15:44<titan8990>nostmith: skip reading the docs? *gasp*
15:44<houms>Not sure if it is referring to /etc/network/interfaces or if i am literally supposed to make /etc/net/ifaces?
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15:49<sheldon>hi folks, i m trying to install a python software (periscope : automatic downloader of subs it requires at least python 2.6. I installed python2.6 package but dpkg -i gives me this error :La versione di python nel sistema è 2.5.4-9 (python system version is 2.5.4-9).
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15:52<babilen>!tell sheldon -about localized errors
15:52<babilen>sheldon: Which version of Debian do you use? And please paste the complete output of that command to a pastebin
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15:53<sheldon>debian sid
15:53<sheldon>it is a problem of dependency
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15:53<houms>that article does not really explain much locklace
15:53<sheldon>the package requires python package >= 2.6 but in sid python package is 2.5.4-9
15:53<houms>not sure what addresses it is referring to with and
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15:54<sheldon>i ll build the package from source
15:54<babilen>sheldon: You can either fix the broken packaging, or install periscope locally.
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15:55<babilen>sheldon: I guess that it provides a script and you can easily use the PEP370 --user installation, which will install it into ~/.local/
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15:55<babilen>sheldon: I guess that you tried to install the Ubuntu package
15:55<sheldon>what is PEP370?? how can i use it?
15:55<sheldon>yep :(
15:56<ml|>this python issue seems popular today
15:57<adb>ml|, this Ubuntu* python issue ...
15:58<sheldon>dh_make works on python sources?
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15:58<houms>yeah locklace that site does not work
15:58<houms>ifup gretun fails
15:59<ml|>adb: I guess, but nostmith did not say it was buntu package, unless I missed it
15:59<nostmith>i didn't but it's true.
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15:59<adb>ml|, heh
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16:00<ml|>that's one reason not install buntu packages in debian
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16:01<nostmith>well, i guess i should get used to this. on the other hand what would be the best thing to do when the source is created on ubuntu? in my case awn.
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16:03<babilen>sheldon: What kind of software is that? It looks as if they only provide Ubuntu .deb - You might want to checkout the code from SVN and install it. See for PEP 370 (basically just python2.6 install --user)
16:04<sheldon>thanks babilen ... i m trying to build a debian package and i ll send to developer to publish on his site ;)
16:05<babilen>sheldon: Forget that - the they use does not even remotely resemble anything that would be compatible with setuptools or distribute and the PEP370 magic won't work
16:05<babilen>sheldon: And yes, dh_make works with Python source as well
16:06<babilen>sheldon: But you need to customise that, due to their broken - have fun and contact upstream or #python (freenode) for support
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16:06<sheldon>thanks again babilen !!!
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16:17<houms>any have experience with GRE tunnel configuration?
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16:18<valdyn>houms: gre is only an ip protocol, what do you really want?
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16:20<valdyn>houms: wikipedia alone lists 5 different applications of gre
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16:22<houms>create a GRE tunnel from site A to B so that site A traffice routes to Site B and goes through the proxy on Site B
16:22<houms>GRE is required from vendor
16:22<valdyn>oh fuck
16:23<valdyn>houms: there is not GRE tunnel alone
16:23<houms>why oh fuck?
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16:23<valdyn>houms: ask your vendor to give complete spec of what he really wants
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16:24<kd35a>Hi, I'm setting up WordPress on my Debian 5.0-server, and everything works smooth and great, except for one thing
16:24<valdyn>houms: "gre tunnel" is useless when theres more than 5 different tunnel types at least
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16:24<kd35a>I can't install themes, plugins etc without using ftp, acording to the admin-pages
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16:25<kd35a>does anyone know some guide to set that up?
16:25<centyx>kd35a: sure you can
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16:25<centyx>kd35a: use scp/sftp
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16:26<valdyn>houms: look at wikipedia at least
16:26<kd35a>ok, I tried with proftpd, set an account, set the home directory to /var/www/awesomeblog, but then it says "can't find wp-content"
16:26<kd35a>which is in the root of the home directory
16:27<centyx>kd35a: i'd uninstall proftpd if I were you
16:27<valdyn>kd35a: why would installing themes depend on a specific file transfer protocol?
16:27<centyx>kd35a: you don't need it
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16:27<kd35a>i tried to login to the ftp via FileZilla, that worked as expected
16:27*dr|z3d prefers pure-ftpd.
16:27*tami recommends filezilla
16:27<titan8990>kd35a: wordpress can install themes via the web interface. just upload the .zip
16:27<houms>I looked at wiki, nothing there that seems relavant
16:27<centyx>dr|z3d: he does't need ftp period
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16:28<valdyn>houms: so ask your custumer, we cannot guess what he wants
16:28<centyx>kd35a: you can use filezilla for scp/sftp as long as you have password auth enabled
16:28<dr|z3d>centyx: Scrollback not visible.. so ok. :)
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16:28<kd35a>centyx: I hoped for that comment ;) but how do I set something like that up?
16:28<centyx>kd35a: it's alreaady setup
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16:28<titan8990>kd35a: just specify port 22
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16:29<centyx>kd35a: give yourself write permissions to the web content directory... and tell filezilla to connect to port 22, sftp
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16:29<centyx>kd35a: login using your SSH username/password
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16:30<kd35a>are you talking about uploading, unpacking etc manually? Thats what i do now, and want to get rid of
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16:30<titan8990>centyx: what I did was just left the user's homedir alone, and made a symlink from the webroot to his homedir (as well as giving write perms)
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16:30<titan8990>kd35a: the web interface does all that for you... no need to interact with the filesystem directly
16:31<kd35a>when I tried with ftp, I had the write-permits setup as they should
16:31<titan8990>kd35a: there is an upload button on the install themes page
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16:31<titan8990>kd35a: this is done 100% HTTP no need for these other protocols
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16:31<centyx>titan8990: ah
16:31<kd35a>titan8990: ok, shall try again with 766, and see if that works
16:32<titan8990>kd35a: your not getting anything I am saying?
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16:32<centyx>titan8990: i was wondering why wordpress would be so archaic
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16:33<titan8990>centyx: well, I can see this in a situation where someone has already installed a theme and wants to modify an image in it... but for a simple theme installation is completely unnecessary
16:33<kd35a>titan8990: I think I get it, but with your reaction, I don't think so anymore :p
16:33<titan8990>kd35a: if you have wordpress running and an admin account to it, you need *nothing* else in order to upload and install a theme
16:34<titan8990>kd35a: its done *entirely* via the web panel
16:34<kd35a>what I'm after is a bigger context, lige upgrading installed plugins etc automaticly via the web-interface
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16:34<tami>Hello guys, I'm a java developer and I'd like to help the debian project - what are the most urgent needs?
16:34<dpkg>For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at Also use the script wnpp-alert (from the <devscripts> package) to see what packages you are using that are in need of help.
16:35<kd35a>titan8990: ok, In that case i think i have the wrong chmod, it's 744 now
16:35<titan8990>tami: also, you can check out the current release-critical bugs for squeeze
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16:36<titan8990>kd35a: also, you never want to give write perms to "other" on your web directory
16:36<kd35a>ok, need to sleep now, but thanks for the input, will work on that tomorow
16:36<kd35a>titan8990: hmm, ok, I think I need to mention that i downloaded the latest WP from there website, not from the repos
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16:38<Brigo>any playonlinux user here?
16:38<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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16:39<Brigo>Playonlinux cant find my mounted images
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17:12<WrzIprmft>And yet another problem. If I understood correctly the kbuto-isos (, in particular lenny-custom-0627.iso) contain everything, that is needed to install a minimal Debian. Lacking a CD writer however I am booting the ISO from the harddrive directly via syslinux's memdisk and not from a CD. (Since it complained about another ISO being to large to fit into my RAM, I assume, that the whole ISO is loaded into RAM an
17:12<WrzIprmft>some way installing from RAM.) The installer is booting fine and I can select a language, but then it starts looking for a CD with data for installing in the CD drive, which it doesn't find. Did I misunderstand something, do something wrong or is this a missing feature of the installer?
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17:14<blueglasses>how do I check for latest version of a file using wget?
17:15<bittin1>iam reinstalling Debian
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17:16<blueglasses>wrong question... the right one should be: how do I check for latest version of kernel using command line
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17:16<sney>blueglasses: current kernel is uname -r
17:16<blueglasses>sney not current, latest.
17:16<blueglasses>latest stable
17:17<sney>are you running lenny?
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17:17<blueglasses>sney, I guess, why?
17:17<sney>debian stable/lenny does not upgrade the kernel, if you have 2.6.26 already that is it
17:18<sney>if you want newer kernels you can get them from backports, but that's optional and unnecessary for most systems
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17:20<blueglasses>i need an alternate kernel, latest stable from is
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17:21<sney>blueglasses: what do you need it for? new wifi card? anyway, /msg dpkg bpo
17:21<sney>bpo aka backports has up to 2.6.32 available.
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17:21<blueglasses>kk thx's
17:21<bittin1>testing ftw
17:22<sney>WrzIprmft: are you following the hd-media instructions from
17:24<blueglasses>btw sney, how can i check for kernel alternatives using command line? any clue?
17:24<sney>blueglasses: once you have the backports repository, aptitude search linux-image
17:25<blueglasses>will it give me more then one version?
17:25<jhutchins_lt>judd: versions linux-image
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17:25<judd>Sorry, no package named 'linux-image' was found.
17:25<jhutchins_lt>judd: kernels
17:25<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.4); sid: 2.6.32-4-686 (2.6.32-11); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.3-686 (2.6.32-9~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2)
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17:26<WrzIprmft>sney: No, since I cannot make a USB bootable from this inept OS (Win ME). I could however try the way described in 4.3.2. for the hard disk, if this loads the whole ISO into the RAM.
17:26<blueglasses>is there a similar command for debian?
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17:27<sney>blueglasses: aptitude search linux-image will show all of the kernels available for you to install.
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17:28<blueglasses>sney, does the aptitude command needs root permisions to search?
17:28<sney>WrzIprmft: that's what I meant
17:28<sney>blueglasses: nope, just to install
17:29<blueglasses>kk, how do I had the backport repositories? with apt?
17:29<blueglasses>or with a deb line?
17:29<sney>blueglasses: /msg dpkg bpo
17:29<sney>then follow instructions
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17:31<bittin1>he debian install asked me if i wanted grub2 or grub1
17:33<bittin1>But it failed to install so i installed lilo
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18:03<blueglasses>why does debian chooses not to come with sudo pre-installed and, how do i get a user into the sudoers list?
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18:04<dr|z3d>blueglasses: It's a philosophical question.
18:04<dr|z3d>The first part, that is.
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18:05<noflash>blueglasses, man visudo
18:05<blueglasses>to root or not to root?
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18:06<bja>That is the question.
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18:06<noflash>maybe and read the reference
18:07<blueglasses>how do i install virtualbox guest additions on a debian server installation? i cant copy-paste :-S
18:08<dr|z3d>blueglasses: run your filemanager as root, then run the script.
18:08<dr|z3d>or just run the script as root.
18:09<dr|z3d>(assuming you've had vbox mount the iso for you)
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18:17<blueglasses>dr|z3d, i have debian server running on vbox, so i cant run the filemanager, and, i cant see no mount...
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18:17<dr|z3d>blueglasses: Have you installed guest additions from the host?
18:18<blueglasses>i tried to
18:18<dr|z3d>(that _should_ mount the iso)
18:18<blueglasses>how do I see if its mounted?
18:19<dr|z3d>Nothing in /media ?
18:20<blueglasses>1 sec
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18:21<blueglasses>should it be cdrom or cdrom0?
18:21<blueglasses>anyway first one dont show any files as ls result, the second is not mounted
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18:23<dr|z3d>blueglasses: Ok. Going to hit you with a google query: virtualbox+install+command+line+linux+howto
18:23<dr|z3d>Yeah, I thought I'd be nice, bja :)
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18:24<dr|z3d>Stick a mount in there as well, blueglasses.
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18:24<dr|z3d>Should come up with tasty results. :)
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18:26<blueglasses>i did, and I had been on that query before, but no quick recipe
18:29<dr|z3d>The first result I see explains how to install guest additions from the command line.
18:29<dr|z3d>I'm inclined to sign off on that, and leave you to it. :)
18:29<dr|z3d>The info's out there.. you're running Debian, headless.. you're either out of your depth, or lazy, Or both. :)
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18:31<blueglasses>dr|z3d, sorry, i couldn't see it, i'm going to read it again
18:31<dr|z3d>Alternative option: Download the iso manually and learn how to mount it from the command line (giyf). :)
18:32<blueglasses>believe me I'm not lazy
18:33<prahal>hum ... there are issues with console setup and graphical boots (especially plymouth). Did anyone knows about the "kernel patch" some of the post on the net talks about ?
18:33<dr|z3d>blueglasses: Great. Then you'll find the info I provided more that sufficient to furnish you with a solution. :)
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18:34<babilen>prahal: wrong channel?
18:35<prahal>babilen: why ?
18:36<prahal>ie console-setup/ are debian only it seems
18:36<babilen>ah, nvm
18:36<prahal>well including derivatives
18:36<blueglasses>i must be blind
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18:36<blueglasses>the only thing I see is a troubleshooter
18:37<dr|z3d>!fgi blueglasses virtualbox+guest+additions+installing+from+command+line+linux+howto
18:37<blueglasses>on the talked first option, I'm not a native english speaker, but I cant find it... :s
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18:38<blueglasses>and I downloaded the manual
18:39<dr|z3d>blueglasses: Beyond a spoonfed solution, I'm trying to help you problem solve yourself. Sorry if that seems patronizing.. :)
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18:41<blueglasses>shouldnt the iso be mounted when i choose install guest aditions?
18:43<slush>blueglasses: see aptitude search virtualbox
18:44<slush>first thing on the list is probably the guest additions
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18:45<blueglasses>i did a aptitude search virtualbox|grep guest and I get many entries, all ose
18:46<blueglasses>i'm using the "regular" version...
18:46<titan8990>blueglasses: if we are talking proprietary additions, you have to mount a cd inside the VM
18:46<titan8990>blueglasses: its and option in the drop down to "install guest additions", which mounts the cd
18:46<blueglasses>i already did it
18:47<titan8990>blueglasses: alright, what is the issue?
18:47<blueglasses>the cd should be mounted, and the VM say it is
18:47<blueglasses>but I ls cdrom and ls cdrom0 and I get nothing
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18:48<blueglasses>i'm trying to find the script... this would all be easier if i probably installed gnome or some other desktop
18:49<blueglasses>but i decided to use the server only... stupid me... (i wanted to do it all from the command line)
18:49<dr|z3d>blueglasses: download iso, mount iso, browse iso, run script.
18:50<blueglasses>kk dr
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18:50<titan8990>blueglasses: mounting the cd in the vm is not the same as mounting in the guest
18:50<titan8990>blueglasses: you still have to mount the cd either using a gui or "mount"
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19:00<blueglasses>i should have the .iso on the host, so i shouldn't need to download it, I could copy it to the guest, but its not possible because guest additions are not installed, i'm giving up (I cant even remmember the mount command for a cd rom iso on a host from a guest... i'm going to smoke while gnome is installing
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19:18<blueglasses>god does not want me to install gnome, my VM disk is too small :( (this looks like a comic)
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19:21<blueglasses>is it possible to increase the VM disk without erasing it?
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19:27<ml|>dynamically expanding disk ftw
19:31*dpkg breaks into the front and goes FOR THE WIN
19:33<blueglasses>dr, btw i finally got the cdrom mounted, and I'm downloading all the tools needed to compile the script, but... i have no space in the VM disk (apparently) and dpkg is broken and i cant fix it (space error)
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19:34<blueglasses>also, i'm sorry for all the wasted time
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19:36<blueglasses>wow i managed to get space back with a apt-get clean :-)
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19:39<blueglasses>ml! how do i dinamically expand the disk?
19:39<dli>I want to use /etc/network/interfaces to set up my wifi (open wifi, no passwd). how to make it do auto-reconnecting
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19:39<dli>blueglasses, what do you mean?
19:39<ml|>you can't, you do that when you create the disk
19:40<blueglasses>so why is it called dynamic?
19:40<ml|>it's an option in vbox
19:40<blueglasses>its already dinamic but it does not expand
19:41<dr|z3d>In vbox terms, dynamic means the partiton enlarges as the content does, to the maximum value configured at creation time.
19:41<blueglasses>dli apparently you just use the auto
19:42<blueglasses>can i transfer the contents of a disk to an external disk (eg. iso) and then create a new one and move the copy to the new disk?
19:44<blueglasses>dr|z3d, apparently, the mount command was easier then expected: mount /cdrom did it :)
19:44<blueglasses>other options were giving me bad results
19:44<dr|z3d>blueglasses: Well done.. a little initiative goes a long way :)
19:44<ml|>not sure about that, but enable ssh and cp[saving permissions, etc..] everything to where you have space, would work
19:45<blueglasses>thank you :-)
19:46<blueglasses>is libgomp a debian package?
19:47<dr|z3d>judd: versions libgomp
19:47<judd>Sorry, no package named 'libgomp' was found.
19:47<ml|>blueglasses: apt-file can help /msg dpkg apt-file
19:48<blueglasses> /msg dpkg apt-file
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19:49<ml|>blueglasses: apt-file -l search libgomp ; should tell you what package you need
19:50<cxbm>"0344 45|ml|> not sure about that, but enable ssh and cp[saving permissions, etc..] everything to where you have space, would work" -- when i had to move my /usr to another partition(to create a new, bigger one, and move it back) someone recommendet me to use rsync with tar to copy everything
19:51<ml|>yes, rsync is one way; also scp, sftp, etc...
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19:52<blueglasses>cxbm, that would actually create a very large compressed file... its a virtual machine, cant i dissociate it from the disk while keeping the file (.vdi or something,,,)
19:53<cxbm>well no, it was compressing and decompressing data.
19:54<cxbm>it was something like rsync > tar > untar in a new place... sorry, i don't remember exact command, i did that... like... 6-8 months ago, when i just switched from win to debian
19:54<cxbm>i can look up exact command in irc logs...
19:54<cxbm>if it is still there
19:54<blueglasses>do i need to compile a .run file in order to run it?
19:55<cxbm>i don't think so... wait, i'll check logs
19:56<cxbm>wait, that was just 'tar' without rsync... rsync was teh other way, what was too complicated for me...
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19:56<cxbm>command was like: sudo tar cf - -C /usr | sudo tar xf - -C /usr2
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19:57<cxbm>simple, heh?
19:58<blueglasses>what is that - with no option?
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19:59<blueglasses>or is it --C
20:00<cxbm>no, it's not --C
20:00<blueglasses>i thought -- wasforlongwords
20:00<cxbm>its like 'target', where to compress to, I don't know what is it exactly
20:00<rudi_s>blueglasses: It means stdout in that case.
20:00<rudi_s>.. in combination with the f
20:00<rudi_s>c is for create
20:01<rudi_s>and in the second tar it's stdin.
20:01<cxbm>can i ask a stupid question?
20:02<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
20:02<ml|>but, he needs to use something like ssh to get that stuff out of the vm since he has no room
20:02<cxbm>will kernel compiled from sources from work with debian?
20:03<blueglasses>what interpreter is needed to compile a .run (virtualbox additions is a .run) and i installed gcc... but it says wrong interpreter...
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20:03<ml|>cxbm: yes, with right options; but do you really need to do that?
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20:05<cxbm>ml|, i want to patch it with this: , but there's only patches for and versions, and i don't see sources fo this versions in repositories, and i don't want to switch to 2.6.26 kernel...
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20:05<cxbm>and debian-patch for kernel is experimental
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20:06<blueglasses>kernel org says its stable
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20:07<ml|>cxbm: regardless /msg dpkg kernel-handbook and I forget the other atm
20:07<ml|>and /msg make-kpkg
20:07<ml|>*and /msg dpkg make-kpkg
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20:10<adb>cxbm, i run 2.6.33-2-686 .. on lenny uptime : up 20 days now , so it's ok
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20:11<blueglasses>how do I set TMPDIR with more space?
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20:12<blueglasses>apparently my /tmp is only 1024
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20:13<blueglasses>maybe I mount it on another place?
20:13<blueglasses>help please
20:13<cxbm>btw, blueglasses, a little fix: sudo tar cf - -C /usr . | sudo tar xf - -C /usr2
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20:14<k-man>is there any particular brand of sata DVD-RW drive that is known to work better with linux?
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20:14<k-man>or are they all the same?
20:14<rudi_s>blueglasses: Just put it in your homedir. export TMPDIR=~/tmp (create ~/tmp first).
20:14<koollman>k-man: they pretty much just works, from my (limited) experience
20:14<dr|z3d>k-man: If you have a choice, opt for Plextor is my advice.
20:14<blueglasses>dont buy a samsung, mine last less then a year
20:14<k-man>dr|z3d: why plextor? never heard of them
20:14<dr|z3d>That's not Linux specific, but a hardware recommendation.
20:15<dr|z3d>k-man: They make the best drives in the business :)
20:15<k-man>dr|z3d: ok
20:15<blueglasses>plextor is known to be good (high price too)
20:15<k-man>good to know - unfortunately my supplier doesn't seem to sell them
20:15<dr|z3d>Beglian, I think, fwiw.
20:15<dr|z3d>*belgian, even.
20:15<dr|z3d>Pioneer also good.
20:15<k-man>lg, liteon, asus, sony, pioneer, benq samsung are the options
20:16<dr|z3d>Pioneer I'd opt for.
20:16<dr|z3d>(money permitting)
20:16<k-man>ok, thanks
20:16<k-man>its AU$10 more than the cheapest ones
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20:16<ml|>liteon is not bad either
20:16<dr|z3d>The cheapest being liteon?
20:16<k-man>sh, well thats the cheapest
20:16<dr|z3d>Liteon? Good. No no.
20:17<dr|z3d>They're cheap and cheerful, but I wouldn't describe them as "good" :)
20:17<ml|>well, for yes fwiw
20:17<k-man>blue ray seem to be pretty expensive still
20:17<k-man>cheapest at this site is AU$142
20:18<k-man>oh, and thats read only too afaict
20:18<dr|z3d>ml|: Don't get me wrong, I've had a liteon.. not a bad drive, but nothing about it screamed quality. :)
20:18*bja is still pissed at Sony
20:18<ml|>dr|z3d: heh, fair enough
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20:19<k-man>unfortunately i don't think you can categorise an entire companies range as good/bad based on the failure or success of one device, i think its more model specific than brand specific
20:19<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
20:19<blueglasses>i cant believe i finally got to install the guest additions LOL
20:19<dr|z3d>Oh, right, sure. Debian. *thought he was in CR-R's R US*
20:20*dr|z3d winks.
20:20<dr|z3d>!congratulate blueglasses
20:20<dpkg>Yay blueglasses, you did it!
20:20<dr|z3d>!lart adb
20:20*dpkg --purges adb
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20:21<adb>> #hardware and/or #d-offtopic
20:21<dr|z3d>We stopped, adb.. calm your jets. :)
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20:23<blueglasses>kk i got the guest additions but, mouse is not working anyway... :-( the purpose of this all was to copy paste things from virtual machine to my normal desktop :-P
20:23<adb>dr|z3d, thanks, was too noise .., couldn't sleep
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20:24<k-man>blueglasses: i haven't tried that for ages, but fwiw, i never managed to get copy/paste between vm and real machine to work under linux
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20:24<blueglasses>k-man i did, but not on debian
20:25<blueglasses>i must try gnome again :-S
20:26<blueglasses>is it safe to redirect tmp again to where it belongs, and, erase the tmp dir on my home user
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20:27<dr|z3d>blueglasses: Try Xfce instead, perhaps.
20:27<ml|>just use unset and remove that directory if you want
20:28<dr|z3d>blueglasses: Everything Gnome is and less (bloat-wise).
20:28<bja>does anyone know of a way to stop email forgery?
20:28<dr|z3d>bja: domain spoofing you mean?
20:29<k-man>bja: gpg signatures
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20:30<bja>k-man: I know that is a solution, i need a more generalized solution like spf or whatever
20:30<bja>dr|z3d: i am recieving mail from me@mydomain from a completeley different ip address
20:30<k-man>bja: ok, sorry, can't help you there
20:31<blueglasses>how do i start gnome after installing it? startx wont work
20:31<bja>an believe me i will not-self spam
20:31<dr|z3d>bja: Nothing you can do about it whatsoever.
20:31<bja>k-man: never mind
20:31<blueglasses>do i need gdm?
20:31<k-man>bja: can you block that ip somehow? or get them listed in the rtbl?
20:31<dr|z3d>blueglasses: try gnome-session
20:31<dr|z3d>blueglasses: Nope.
20:31<k-man>bja: do you use exim or postfix or something else?
20:31<dr|z3d>Not if you're happy to startx manually.
20:31<bja>k-man: postfix
20:31<koollman>bja: spf would be useful, yes
20:31<ml|>/etc/init.d/gdm restart is what you want I think
20:32<k-man>bja: did you try asking on #postfix on freenode? they might have some suggestions
20:32<koollman>if you have access to your domain's dns configuration in some way, it's pretty easy to set up
20:32<blueglasses>dr|z3d, gtk-warning can not open display
20:32<bja>k-man: i am considering it
20:32<koniu>ok, here's a problem - acpi_fakekey is not working right on my debian sid
20:32<koollman>(then you need some filtering software that knows about spf)
20:32<koniu>i'm getting lots of "ACPI Virtual Keyboard Device: dropping event due to full queue!" each time its used
20:32<dr|z3d>blueglasses: Installed X?
20:32<bja>koollman: it is allready up and running, it seems postfix doesn't take a look to the spf records at all
20:33<blueglasses>isnt it alreasy installed when you install gnome-desktop?
20:33<dr|z3d>blueglasses: Ah, sure, should be.
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20:33<koniu>its meant to translate acpi events into keypresses but for some reason it fails. searched all around but not much luck
20:33<dr|z3d>blueglasses: what ml| said, +-.. try /etc/init.d/gdm start
20:35<koollman>bja: right. postfix knows about smtp only. you need some filtering software to handle spf. something like postfix-policyd-spf-perl, or amavisd-new, or any of the thousands of filters created. Would you believe spam is a common problem ? ;)
20:35<blueglasses>apparently it was already started, but i needed to reboot
20:36<blueglasses>now it started without any complains and its almoust full screen on a VM wich is really nice :D
20:36<ml|>blueglasses: try a logout then login and /etc/ini...
20:36<k-man>bja: my cursory look at SPF and postfix indicats you have to load add-ons in postfix to make SPF work. have you done that? (sorry if i'm stating the obvious)
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20:36<blueglasses>wow debian with gnome is beautifull :)
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20:38<bja>k-man: thx, no i haven't done that. looking into apt-cache at this momment
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20:38<k-man>bja: you have piqued my interest in this - seems like and interesting way of reducing spam
20:38<dr|z3d>It's pretty much impossible to prevent someone from spoofing your domain in e-mails.. it's so easy to do, and there's so little to prevent it.
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20:39<dr|z3d>Proving that you're demonstrably you in e-mail is infinitely easier. :)
20:39<bja>k-man: i will research more on it till i get it as smooth as possible
20:39<bja>!lart dr|z3d
20:39*dpkg whips out his power stapler and staples dr|z3d's genitalia to the ground
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20:40<blueglasses>how come this is faster then my ubuntu desktop (inside a VM and all...)
20:41<bja>dr|z3d: on importan mail you get pgp signatures, which makes life easier for authentication. I will not try to instruct people on using signatures for their emails
20:41<dr|z3d>bja: Sure. authentication and domain spoofing, totally different issues.
20:42<jtaylor13>Hello.I installed ventrilo in i see it's folder in wine but no icons to start the program.any help please?
20:43<bja>dr|z3d: authentication and domain spoofing ........ hmmm
20:43<dr|z3d>jtaylor13: Look into .desktop files.
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20:44<dr|z3d>jtaylor13: Also, if you know where the exe is, you can start in from the command line.. just prefix it with: wine
20:45<dr|z3d>jtaylor13: Hint: locate *.exe :)
20:45<jtaylor13>i have. no go
20:45<blueglasses>bja, that could actually be reduced if pgp was implemented as default on the mta, impov it does not make much sense to use a mail system wich is not encrypted, but, on the other hand, you couldnt find some of the important stuff if it was
20:45<dr|z3d>You have *what* jtaylor13?
20:45<dr|z3d>Is 13 your age, out of curiosity? :)
20:45<jtaylor13>sorry.found the .exe file
20:46<jtaylor13>from a game
20:46<dr|z3d>Ok, I'll reserve judgement, then :)
20:46<jtaylor13>havn't used linux in 2 years
20:46<blueglasses>guys, i have to sleep thanks for everything... its 2:46 here. Big hug
20:47<dr|z3d>blueglasses: Sleep well!
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20:47<dr|z3d>jtaylor13: Do investigate .desktop files.. they're Linux's equivalent of shortcuts.
20:48<jtaylor13>thanks you
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20:53<jtaylor13>ok,no luck looking for .desktop files.can anyone give me a hint
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20:54<dr|z3d>jtaylor13: I said look _into_ them, not _for_ them :)
20:55<dr|z3d>Notwithstanding that, locate *.desktop should yield results.. open a file in your text editor to see what they're about..
20:56<cxbm>jtaylor13, try reading here > < there could be some info about installing/using different versions of Ventrilo...
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21:05<Lanz>It's really annoying that Ventrilo doesn't run on Linux
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21:05<Lanz>But then again, I reboot for most gaming
21:05<jtaylor13>i have ventrilo in wine.i can find the ventrilo folder in wine.Just no run icons
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21:13<k-man>can apt-listchanges list the changes of a package given just the name? or it needs a path to a file?
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21:16<dr|z3d>k-man: man should tell you, no?
21:17<k-man>dr|z3d: yeah
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21:36<TCW>mmm... is IM service down at the moment? My gmail XMMP account works, but accout says "network error". Anyone here with a account who can verify the status of for me?
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21:39<rudi_s>TCW: Just tried it, login works fine (through bitlbee).
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21:40<TCW>empathy here... rudi_s, does bittlbee show what port is used?
21:42<rudi_s>TCW: Just checked with netstat, 5222.
21:42<dr|z3d>Standard jabber port.
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22:01<TCW>apparently it was just a wrong password...
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22:33<styxcc>goo dnight
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22:40<Scooopes>Hello. Is there a way to boot with a debian cd/dvd, but then install from a .iso image located on a hdd?
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22:46<kf>hello everyone! i have install the debian 5.0.but my wireless NIC is 5100 it don't work!i need a driver!but where i can get it ?
22:47<gsimmons>dpkg: tell kf -about iwlagn
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22:53<dave137>hi, I'm trying to install, and I was wondering if someone could explain the difference between generic and targeted when choosing the initrd part of the expert install
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22:54<dave137>I know that generic includes all drivers, and targeted only includes drivers for my system, but whats the chance that it forgets a driver?
22:54<dave137>(if I choose targeted)
22:55<sney>I've never had a problem with it. Even if the initrd doesn't include a driver you end up needing, it can still be loaded during the init process
22:55<dave137>so its safe to select targeted?
22:57<dave137>also, I'm installing from testing (Squeeze netinst), I tried the lenny netinst iso, but the kernel wouldn't boot. It got hung on EC: non-query interrupt received switching to interrupt hold hang error
22:57<dave137>it looked like it was trying to switch to io-apic or something
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22:58<dave137>It hung, and I had a testing cd laying here, so I stuck that in, and its working. The only issue is that before I had trouble getting X started
22:58<sney>are you sure the download finished? a partially downloaded installer could easily hang up right at that spot.
22:58<dave137>is there a way to check (short of the md5sum)?
22:58<sney>still, squeeze is plenty stable for everyday use these days. We just wouldn't recommend it for a newbie or for a production environment
22:58<sney>md5sum, file size
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22:58<dave137>newbie to linux, or newbie to debian?
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22:59<dave137>I've been using ubuntu heavily for 3 years now, and I've done the netinstall there a number of times as well, so the process isn't foreign
22:59<dave137>I'm just tired of them (Ubuntu) breaking things after each release
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23:00<kf>where are you come from?
23:01<sney>ubuntu is close enough that you'll do fine, just remember that not everything is done the same way
23:01<dave137>so I'm not going to be eaten by debian dragons if I install testing?
23:01<sney>certainly not.
23:02<kf>but dirvers is a problem!
23:02<sney>just with certain things, like graphics card or wifi drivers, come here or look at the wiki to find out how to do it, don't just go "oh I did this in ubuntu I know how" because it's probably not the same
23:02<dave137>another question, in the select and install software section, is it possible to install just the X server, and not the whole environment?
23:03<sney>oh sure, just don't select the desktop task, you can install your wm of choice from the cli after the system is installed
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23:05<kf>wireless 5100 how to drive it ?
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23:05<kf>who can help me
23:06<gsimmons>dpkg: iwlagn
23:06<dpkg>iwlagn is the driver for the Intel Wireless WiFi Link (4965AGN, 5100AGN, 5300AGN, 5350AGN, 5150AGN, 1000BGN, 6000AGN) series of devices. Included in mainline Linux kernels since 2.6.27. Lenny users: ask me about <bpo> to install a later kernel image package containing this driver. Firmware is required, ask me about <iwlagn firmware> to provide.
23:06<gsimmons>kf: ^^^^
23:07<kf>OK ,thank you ,my english is pool!i will try to understand it !
23:07<dpkg>from memory, cn is China, or for help in chinese please join #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
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23:10<dave137>does anyone know why my .bashrc wouldn't be sourced after installation?
23:10<dave137>(I migrated my /home/ from Ubuntu)
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23:11<sney>probably something incompatible
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23:11<dave137>in the .bashrc file itself? or in something like a .logon
23:12<sney>in all the stuff you copied over from ubuntu, something broke the functionality
23:12<dave137>ok, I'll figure it out
23:14<kf>but all the computer's readme is english !
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23:22<dave137>is there an accepted way of installing the x server? I was just going to do "sudo aptitude install xorg" but I did that last time, and it failed...
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23:23<sney>dave137: the main X package is xserver-xorg
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23:23<sney>dave137: you'll also need a window manager for any kind of modern functionality
23:23<dave137>yea I know
23:24<dave137>I'm going to install stumpwm
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23:24<kf>ok , thank you very much !i have drive the 5100 thank you !
23:24<dave137>I'm using it in Ubuntu, but it isn't playing well with gnome
23:24<sney>!congratulate kf
23:24<dpkg>Yay kf, you did it!
23:24<sney>yeah, I've never liked gnome much. I use xfce usually.
23:25<kf>thank you all very much
23:25<dave137>do I install xserver-xorg-core or x-server-xorg?
23:25<kf>and my ntfs driver isn't write and how can i do it?
23:26<sney>kf: use ntfs-3g
23:26<imganquan>kf: ntfs-3g
23:27<kf>i will try it !
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23:34<dave137>sney: hey, I got X11 started! thanks
23:34<sney>no problem
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23:48<twb>In aptitude's package view, is there a way to expand the tree except for the leaves?
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23:57<mib_blvowy>Hi, does anyone know until when Lenny has security support from Debian team?
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