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---Logopened Tue Apr 13 00:00:02 2010
00:00<kf>the kernel tell me that i havn't the c header files !what is it ?
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00:03<twb>mib_blvowy: did check ?
00:03<twb>*did you check
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00:03<kf>how i can install the kernel headers?
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00:06<dave137>hi, I'm trying to install the kernal headers too, but it doesn't appear that the repositories have headers for 2.6.32-trunk-486
00:06<bja>apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
00:06<dave137>will the regular linux-headers-2.6.32-486 work?
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00:06<dave137>I did
00:06<gsimmons>dave137: -trunk is obsolete, you want to be using linux-headers-2.6.32-3-* for squeeze.
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00:07<dave137>even if uname -r returns : 2.6.32-trunk-486?
00:08<kf>but can't find the pacages
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00:08<bja>dave137: get a proper kernel, trunk is usually obsolete.
00:08<dave137>ok, just using aptitude?
00:08<kf>can't find
00:08<twb>That is/was a bug in the bootloader, not the kernel
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00:10<dave137>if I installed the system with -486 can I switch to -686?
00:10<kf>how i can install the linux-headers-2.6.32-bpo.3-686
00:11<dave137>kf: I think you want linux-headers-2.6.32-3-686, but I'm not completely sure
00:11<dave137>just do "sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`"
00:11<gsimmons>dave137: No, kf is on Lenny.
00:11<kf>i will try it thank you !
00:12<dave137>kf: don't listen to me
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00:12<kf>if i should to install the linux-headers-2.6.32-3-686
00:13<bja>any luck?
00:13<k-man>haven't looked
00:13<k-man>too busy to try now - ill look at it some other time, sorry
00:13<bja>ok thx
00:14<bja>never mind, i think i found the solution but i have yet to set it up
00:14<dave137>kf: no. It could mess up I think
00:14<kf>but it is still can't find !if my sours's problem?
00:14<dave137>kf: have you tried: 'sudo apt-get update'
00:15<kf>i do it
00:15<bja>k-man: it is either spfquery, or spfmilter or tumgreyspf
00:15<bja>if you are interested ;D
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00:33<bja>scratch spfquery tumgreyspf is the frontend i think i'll go for it
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00:34<k-man>bja: i thought greylisting is considered passee these days
00:34<k-man>anyway, it does say greylisting is optional
00:36<bja>anything to reduce spam is welcomed, i am going first for the spf then after evaluation i'll consider greylisting or rdnbsl or whatever acronym they have. I need to boost the S/n level on this particular mail server
00:37<k-man>bja: on the client side, consider crm113 discriminator, imho, it is very good at filtering spam.
00:37<k-man>bja: its a bit of a pain to set up though
00:38<k-man>in fact its a major pain, but i get virtually 0 false positives and maybe 1-2 false negatives per week. actually, they aren't even false negatives, they are marked as "unsure" by the filter
00:38<bja>Does that work on Mac OS? The most spam is recieved by these two particular users who prefer macs
00:39<kf>where is the auto.master in debian?
00:39<bja>k-man: very interesting, i'll fetch it at least for my self
00:39<k-man>bja: well... probably, but i run it on my mail server and use IMAP for access to my mail, thats probably the best way to do it with crm114 imho
00:40<k-man>bja: interestingly, a friend of mine used to use crm also, but recently he switched to gmail for all his mail and relies on googles spam filtering. He found that their filters are not as good as CRM114 was
00:41<bja>interesting, i am looking into crm114 at this very momment
00:41<dave137>hi, I'm trying to get my wireless working, and I installed this according to the instructions for squeeze. Now, my eth0 is missing, and I can't connect via ethernet
00:42<bja>dave137: ifconfig eth0 should work get the details at man ifconfig
00:42<dave137>I tried that
00:42<mib_blvowy>Hi, does anyone knows when is the end of Lenny Security support?
00:42<dave137>it says eth0: error fetching interface information: Device not found
00:43<gsimmons>dave137: Is your Ethernet device Broadcom 44xx/47xx-based? There's a known conflict with the ssb driver, which broadcom-sta blacklists (also b44).
00:43<dave137>is there a way to roll back the changes I made? (the m-a a-i command and update-initramfs command specifically)
00:44<dave137>yes, but I blacklisted ssb
00:45<dave137>yea the ethernet is 4401 and the wireless is 4311
00:46<dave137>so, is it possible to roll back the changes? can I just reinstall the kernel from the repositories and modprobe b43?
00:46<kf>what is bpo kernel?
00:49<gsimmons>dave137: You don't need to reinstall the kernel. Just unload the wl module, purge the broadcom-sta-* packages, run update-initramfs and reinsert b44.
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00:50<gsimmons>dave137: If your wireless LAN device is a BCM4312 LP-PHY, it is supported by b43 as of 2.6.32 ; /msg dpkg bcm4312
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00:50<dave137>yea, I'm trying to get wicd to give me a wireless list, and somewhere it said that it worked with the wl firmware, but that killed my ethernet
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00:52<gsimmons>dave137: The vendor driver (wl) conflicts with ssb, which is why the latter is blacklisted. This is mentioned on both the wiki page and in broadcom-sta-common's README.Debian file.
00:52<dave137>I know, I didn't realize ssb was handling eth0
00:53<dave137>what I need now is to get wicd to find the networks
00:53<dave137>I get networks with "sudo iwlist scanning"
00:53<dave137>but not with wicd
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01:12<twb>Suppose I have a PS or PDF of non-standard dimensions (say, 30cm by 200cm).
01:12<twb>Just sending it to my printer made it print the bottom-left corner, which is useless.
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01:13<twb>What's a simple way to resize it to an A4 page, or a series of A4 pages?
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01:13<twb>(I looked at poppler-utils, but it wasn't obvious.)
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01:25<kf>vmware still isn't installed
01:25<kf>still is kernel-headers
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01:26<goodjob66>boot into other kernel !
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01:26<kf>i have tried but then the wireless can't be used
01:27<snogglethorpe>twb: hmm, can't psnup do this sort of thing (event though it's normally used for the opposite purpose)?
01:27<snogglethorpe>twb: i seem to recall that one of the usual psxxx apps could anyway
01:27<twb>snogglethorpe: dunno
01:27<twb>I recall that, too, but I can't remember any details
01:28<snogglethorpe>well... apt... install psutils
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01:30<kf>i have to use it because my job
01:30<twb>snogglethorpe: like I said, I did that.
01:30<kf>but how !
01:31<gsimmons>kf: linux-headers-2.6.32-bpo.3-686 is available from lenny-backports. You will need to acquire a dependency (linux-kbuild-2.6.32) from testing as linux-kbuild-2.6 is currently lagging behind.
01:31<kf>i will try it. thank you
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01:33<kf>it is still can't be find
01:34<kf>if my source.list 's problem?
01:37<goodjob66>try to reinstall OS
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01:37<kf>this is the third time
01:37<kf>i have try to reinstall three times
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01:38<kf>the first time is the kernel is AMD BUT my cpu is p8700 so i resintall
01:39<kf>the second time is the CD install ,but the speed is so slowly.
01:39<kf>the third time is the current os.
01:40<kf>everyting is very good !but i must use the ,i try it a half day !
01:40<snogglethorpe>kf: if by "AMD" kernel you mean "amd64", that rusn on the p8700 too
01:41<kf>but i don't know why!
01:41<riisen>kf, tried made a custom kernel ?
01:42<kf>but if that the wireless can't be used
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01:43<kf>i just follow the debian's iwlagn install my wireless
01:44<kf>if i change my kernel to the before,the VM can be used but the wireless can't be used
01:45<riisen>have you tried to make a custom kernel?
01:45<kf>OK,i will try it !thank you
01:46<kf>i will try to understand the custom kernel's mean!my english is pool,thank you very much!
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01:46<riisen>kf, theres a good tutorial here
01:47<riisen>hope it helps
01:47<snogglethorpe>kf: because the "amd" in amd64 doesn't mean "for amd processors", it means, "for the 64-bit x86 derivative IA designed by AMD" -- which Intel has also adopted for its recent CPUs
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01:47<kf>thank you very much riisen
01:48<kf>snogglethorpe:thank you very much too.i think i have a wrong understand!
01:48<kf>but now i know it!thank you !
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01:53<kf>i am sorry if you means i should to make menuconfig my kernel?
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02:10<snogglethorpe>kf: hm, no... you can probably just use the standard debian "...-amd64" kernel
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02:37<fasolek>was geht
02:37<fasolek>jo nili
02:37<l_heilig>laqss mal alles schülerstreik gehen
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02:38<n_busekr>na ihr smicks ^^
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03:14<deavid>when I configure my session in gdm to GNOME/openbox, in which file is saved this configuration?
03:15<deavid>is .dmrc i guess
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03:20<riisen>do you mean the ~/.config/openbox .. and the 2 files there ? :P
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03:35<slyproductions>hi.. can someone help with to run smxi in tty1?
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03:43<kf>hello everyone
03:43<kf>i have a question!it is about apache
03:43<kf>i try to config the virtualhost
03:43<kf>and it depend the port
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03:44<kf>now i want to know if i can access the web only by name and not use the port
03:45<snogglethorpe>is there any sane way i can resize the root filesystem without a bootable rescue disk etc?
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03:46<kf>it is means that if i can access my web by or
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03:49<kf>any body help me !thank you very much!
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03:50<jm_>kf: it only depends on your browsers capabilites to use that port by default etc.
03:51<kf>my config is listen 80 and namevirtualhost <virtualhost> servername </virtualhost>
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03:52<kf>but when i try to use the it is default web
03:53<kf>your mean is my web browsers 's set?
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03:53<jm_>not familiar with apache and virtual hosts, but there are enough howtos on the internet to configure it, check debian administration web page
03:55<kf>ok i will try it !but now i only wander if i can config the port virtualhost ,then i can access it by http://domainname and if i should add my port number?
03:57<jm_>like I said, browsers default to using port 80
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03:57<kf>your means i should set my browsers ?
03:57<kf>OK!thank you very much!
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03:58<kf>if i can config my apache then clients can not use the port number ?
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04:01<kf>i want to join the RHCE test!so i need it!
04:01<oo-dragon>allo fellow debian users and developers. I was hoping some one could point me to a good network monitor distro. I have a embedded mini computer that I want to install a linux server onto that would allow me to use it as a router and monitor traffic through a web interface (So i dont need a monitor, keyboard, mouse etc)
04:02<kf>you just need iptables
04:02<kf>it is so powerful
04:02<jm_>I have no idea what your problem actually is - if you use a non default port then you typically need to specify it in the browser too, but it might also be able to redirect it via iptabels - but in that case why not have virtualhost work on this port by default
04:03<jm_>oo-dragon: there's shitloads of tools for this
04:03<kf>thank you JM
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04:03<kf>i just think so!
04:03<kf>thank you very much!
04:03<oo-dragon>jm_ yea, but non i can find that are web based
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04:04<oo-dragon>well smoothwall... but it doesnt support my ethernet drivers
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04:04<jm_>oo-dragon: ntop should be, then there are tools like mrtg, munin, ...
04:05<jm_>depending on what you want to do - there are also specialized distributions for routers, like tomato and others - but this is out of scope of #debian
04:05<kf>thank you everyone!i like all you !
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04:26<oo-dragon>sweet ntop might be what im looking for :)
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04:28<imganquan>hi all. I use write() method write sth. to /dev/ttyUSB0, and use read() method read /dev/ttyS0 on my arm board, but the read() is always blocked , can not get any data? any suggestion?
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04:58<WrzIprmft>new day, new problems: I am trying to install kmotu (Lenny with newer kernel, which I need because of the ISDN support of the kernel) from harddrive / RAM. However if I boot the netinstaller, it freezes after telling me "(process:1349): INFO: kbd-mode: setting console mode to Unicode (UTF-8)". If I boot the netinstaller's kernel with a standard lenny's netinstaller initrd this happens a bit later, when it's scanning for harddrives: it's stuck in a
04:58<WrzIprmft>loop between aforementioned error message and "scanning for hard drives". Booting from a standard lenny's netinstaller works fine, however complains about kernel mismatch between the installer and the kmotu-iso (which is of course correct). Booting the kmotu-iso directly results in the same error, after I chose non-graphical install, but graphical install works fine to the point, where it complains about not being able to find an installer CD. Is
04:58<WrzIprmft>this a problem of the kernel or my hardware or might I have been doing something wrong? I might be able to install kmotu with standard lenny's installer, but I am afraid, that if the problem is kernel-side I will experience it after the installation, which would be most awkward of course.
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04:59<azeem_>WrzIprmft: why don't you install lenny and then the 2.6.32 kernel from lenny-backports?
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05:00<azeem_>don't tell me you need ISDN for the install?
05:01<k\t>kbuild-2.6.33 uninstallable?
05:02<WrzIprmft>azeem_: ISDN is the only available internet connection
05:02<azeem_>k\t: 2.6.33 is not in stable/testing
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05:02<azeem_>WrzIprmft: then use a DVD
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05:02<gsimmons>WrzIprmft: Note that ISDN is not supported at Debian installation time.
05:02<k\t>WrzIprmft: thanks
05:02<azeem_>I'm not sure it's very much supported afterwards
05:03<WrzIprmft>azeem_: No DVD drive available, CD drive is working badly, CD writer is not available. Getting an installer CD from elsewhere is rather difficult right now
05:04<azeem_>WrzIprmft: then you're sort of on your own
05:04<OdyX>WrzIprmft: no possibility to provide gatewayed internet through your IRC-speaking computer ?
05:04<k\t>s/WrzIprmft/azeem_/.. sorry about that..
05:04<k\t>ok i really need sleep...
05:05<azeem_>WrzIprmft: maybe try with broadband wireless or so
05:05<WrzIprmft>gsimmons: that's why I already downloaded some extra ISDN stuff, which I can install from USB. However if I do not want to do Kernel compiling, I need a new kernel for this. That's why kmotu
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05:06<azeem_>WrzIprmft: right, but it's off-topic here
05:06<azeem_>or rather, you're fine to ask about it once every couple of days, but please don't drain support ressources with this rather obscure requirement
05:06<OdyX>WrzIprmft: so you are on IRC on a second computer over ISDN ?
05:07<jm_>WrzIprmft: doesn't installer support installing from a loop mouned ISO image? in that case you don't need to burn to a DVD disc
05:07<WrzIprmft>OdyX: The IRC-speaking computer is the computer, I am going to install on. Currently it is using Windows ME
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05:08<OdyX>Yeah. Worst case...
05:08<azeem_>WrzIprmft: at this point, OpenSuSE might be the better option, maybe they still have good ISDN support
05:08<WrzIprmft>jm_ I am not sure about "loop mouned (mounted?)" but it sounds like what I am trying to do
05:08<azeem_>WrzIprmft: you're trying to boot kmuto AFAICT
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05:08<jm_>WrzIprmft: yeah, loop mounted, sorry - I think it can do this
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05:12<OdyX>Hmm.. I'd use debian.exe Debian installer and then trick the installer to use a loop-mounted ISO somewhere
05:12<OdyX> or similar
05:12<azeem_> no longer installs Debian
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05:13<azeem_>oh, it does
05:13<gsimmons>azeem_: No, that's
05:13<jm_>just boot it somehow, it shall find the iso later on or you can tell it where it is IIRC
05:13<OdyX>azeem_: goodbye-microsoft no longer, but -windows does
05:13<azeem_>yeah, I confused it
05:13<OdyX>btw, having an official release of debian.exe within Squeeze could be really good to avoid such things....
05:13<azeem_>is it Free Software?
05:14<dr|z3d>Could be based off wubi, I guess?
05:14<OdyX>probably (if Gnewsense uses it)
05:14<dr|z3d>That's what OdyX is suggesting, I think.
05:14<OdyX>the biggest problem would be to be able to build it from a Debian box, using pure free software
05:16<WrzIprmft>I already tried some of those installers for Windows, but they all require a working internet connection to install and do not work on ME anyway. Anyway: I already narrowed down the alternatives to what I am doing now. All I need to know, is whether the error mentioned in the initial posting is avoidable/critical/kernel-sided or where to ask/complain about it
05:17<azeem_>WrzIprmft: who knows
05:17<azeem_>kmuto is not officially supported
05:18<jm_>WrzIprmft: so the machine completely freezes or what?
05:19<WrzIprmft>jm_: Screen is frozen to aforementioned error message for at least 10 minutes. Or in aforementioned loop for at least 1 minute.
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05:19<jm_>WrzIprmft: did you try changing to a different tty? are keyboard leds blinking?
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05:21<WrzIprmft>jm_: tty = keyboard layout? Keyboard leds are not blinking.
05:21<jm_>WrzIprmft: no, press ctrl-alt-f2 ...f3 etc to see what happens
05:21<azeem_>WrzIprmft: do you know how to setup ISDN with Debian?
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05:23<WrzIprmft>azeem_: I have a pretty explicit tutorial, which I understand. Of course, I only know afterwards, if it was working
05:24<WrzIprmft>jm_: I am going to try that
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05:24<WrzIprmft>be back in some minutes
05:24<jm_>WrzIprmft: also experiment with kernel options - acpi, apic, pci related
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05:27<kf>if i can use iptables redirect one domainname?
05:27<jm_>kf: note that this doesn't work in many cases
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05:28<jm_>virtualhost redirects ...
05:28<kf>i want to redirects one domainname
05:28<kf>and others still is 80 port
05:29<kf>if this can be do?
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05:31<WrzIprmft>tested it: Ctrl + Alt + Fx does not work
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05:31<kf>ctrl+ALT +SHIFT +Fn
05:31<kf>or WIN+ALT+Fn
05:31<azeem_>kf: eh?
05:31<jm_>so it's likely it has hanged, try experimenting with kernel options - acpi, apic, pci related
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05:32<kf>i want to use the iptables to redirecto one dominname
05:33<kf>for example i want to redirect to
05:33<kf>and still use the 80 port
05:33<WrzIprmft>jm_: Where can I find something about that?
05:34<jm_>WrzIprmft: installer help screens mention them
05:34<jm_>i.e. at first prompt press f1 f2 f3 ... and read about them
05:34<WrzIprmft>jm_: But the freeze happens before any prompts
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05:35<jm_>in essence IIRC acpi=off noapic nolapic pcio=nommc etc.
05:35<jm_>WrzIprmft: ahh I should have set boot prompt help screens
05:35<jm_>so at boot prompt press those keys
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05:39<WrzIprmft>jm_: The only time I am asked to do something during the process is from the boot manager (grub4dos). Can I pass those options there?
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05:42<azeem_>what is grub4dos?
05:44<WrzIprmft>azeem_: A grub variant, which can be installed from dos (important for me) and boot dos as well as linux
05:45<azeem_>why don't you boot off CD?
05:45<azeem_>does this computer have usb?
05:45<jm_>WrzIprmft: yup, they are kernel options
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05:47<OdyX>yurgl, you are booting direclty the d-i kernel from grub4dos ?
05:47<WrzIprmft>azeem_: Because I have no bootable CD available and getting one is rather difficult. It has USB, however creating bootable USBs form Win ME seems to be impossible. Imagine me alone on an island if this helps. As I said, I already narrowed it down quite to this option.
05:47<azeem_>WrzIprmft: where do you live?
05:47<azeem_>and what is "this option"?
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05:49<kf>i want to know what virutal software in debian is better?
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05:49<kf>anybody can help me !thank you !
05:49<jm_>it's easy to create bootable USB drives with unetbootin - provided that it works :)
05:49<azeem_>(and why does it take you minutes to answer questions?)
05:49<WrzIprmft>azeem_: "This option" is installing kmotu from hd/RAM
05:49<azeem_>11:47 < azeem_> WrzIprmft: where do you live?
05:49<azeem_>kf: depends
05:49<WrzIprmft>jm_: unetbootin does not work on WinME
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05:50<azeem_>11:47 < azeem_> WrzIprmft: where do you live?
05:50<jm_>WrzIprmft: bummer then
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05:51<WrzIprmft>azeem: Where I live and what other options involving other computers I have, gets me nowhere. You have to trust me on that
05:51<azeem_>WrzIprmft: as I said, you're off-topic
05:52<WrzIprmft>jm_: those kernel options should help, thanks
05:53<WrzIprmft>I found something about a bug, that is at least similar happening on testing, btw. So it's not that off-topic
05:53<twb>Searching for discussion of readahead on SSDs, I find
05:54<WrzIprmft>In any case, thanks for your help
05:54<twb>...but sreadahead isn't in Debian.
05:54<azeem_>WrzIprmft: bug discussion should happen on
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05:54*twb reads #502121
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05:55<WrzIprmft>well, I am back to testing stuff
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05:57<jm_>twb: heh not much in there
05:57<kf>what can be discuzzed here?
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06:26<mactheknife>`how come that the shutdown button does not work in kubuntu but when I press the on/off button than it works...
06:27<dr|z3d>mactheknife: You're in the wrong place to ask!
06:27<azeem_>mactheknife: please ask #kubuntu on
06:27<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
06:27<azeem_>mactheknife: which version of kubuntu are you running, and which irc client?
06:27<dr|z3d>#kubuntu for you my friend!
06:28<dr|z3d>So not xchat, azeem_ :)
06:28<dr|z3d>Pretty sure they've fixed that in Ubuntu.
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06:34<kolesik>òîâàðèùè, åñòü êòî?
06:34<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
06:35<kolesik>Oê, Thanks!!!
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06:44<XTF>Hi. Should an apt-get remove <> remove unchanged conf files?
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06:45<azeem_>XTF: no
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06:46<XTF>Hmm, why not?
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06:47<azeem_>why should it?
06:47<azeem_>that is what purge is for
06:48<XTF>I thought purge was to delete the changed files.
06:48<azeem_>sorry then
06:48<user_>hi, i'm trying to install debian live 6.0, is the live installer launcher broken? he doesnn't start
06:48<azeem_>user_: 6.0 is not released yet
06:48<user_>i know
06:49<azeem_>probably better to ask #debian-live
06:49<user_>azeem_: thx
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07:56<styxcc>good mroning
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08:48<AnthonyUK>ive been all over looking for where debian puts the settings.json for transmission and can not find them. does anyone here know?
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08:54<clocker>AnthonyUK, Try "locate *.json
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08:54<clocker>minus the leading "
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08:57<titan8990>transmission-daemon: /etc/transmission-daemon/README.json
08:58<AnthonyUK>k il try them now
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09:00<AnthonyUK>nope both are not there :(
09:01<titan8990>AnthonyUK: that file is the package transmission-daemon
09:01<titan8990>AnthonyUK: if you have not installed transmission-daemon, you will not have the file
09:01<AnthonyUK>i installed it i typed in apt-get install transmission
09:02<AnthonyUK>theres somet to this im not getting i know
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09:05<titan8990>AnthonyUK: yes... the part where you type in aptitude install transmission-daemon... to install the package that includes the file your looking for....
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09:06<AnthonyUK>i never typed in aptitude part , has it not installed yet?
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09:07<AnthonyUK>this is my first day on debian btw if you have not already guessed
09:07<titan8990>AnthonyUK: first day with linux too?
09:07<AnthonyUK>i used apt-get to put in ssh and i put putty on windows and that worked just fine
09:08<dr|z3d>AnthonyUK: You might want to install tightvncserver next..
09:08<titan8990>what version of debian are you running?
09:09<titan8990>AnthonyUK: well, you need the package "transmission-daemon" for that example config. install it.
09:11<AnthonyUK>i just typed in "apt-get install transmission-daemon" and it said "Could'nt find package transmission-daemon"
09:11<titan8990>judd: versions transmission-daemon
09:11<judd>transmission-daemon -- lenny-backports: 1.77-1~bpo50+2; squeeze: 1.91-1; sid: 1.92-1
09:11<AnthonyUK>do i have to manually install it?
09:12<titan8990>!tell AnthonyUK about bpo
09:12<titan8990>AnthonyUK: no, you just need to add lenny-backports to your sources.list. Check out your pm from dpkg
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09:22<Guido>esto de que se trata
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09:34<matunda>why a pc turn of
09:34<dr|z3d>becuz u pushed da button?
09:34<dr|z3d>matunda: More info needed if you want help.
09:35<matunda>can you help
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09:35<dr|z3d>That entirely depends on your capacity to articulate your problem. :)
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09:36<dr|z3d>dpkg: tell matunda about ask
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09:39<beers>is there something wrong with debians buildsystem. has not been updated for 3 weeks and it is sopose to be updated once a week
09:41<themill>beers: read the documentation for those (and parent) directories.
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09:48<AnthonyUK>ta guys esp to titan8990 transmission is now working :)
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10:00<Mr|Daister>Hi there
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10:12<Mr|Daister>I have a problem with a machine running debian which locks up, when I turn on wlan devices on other computers
10:13<Mr|Daister>I have not the slightest clue why this happens
10:13<Mr|Daister>There are no entries in the logs
10:15<matunda>gate waye solo crack bios passwd can you help me
10:17<tweber>Mr|Daister, what do you mean by "locks up"? A kernel crash?
10:18<Mr|Daister>well, it freezes completely
10:18<Mr|Daister>mouse, keyboard won't work at all
10:18<Mr|Daister>not even javascripts in the browser
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10:18<tweber>When you switch to a console before, does the system still react?
10:19<Mr|Daister>I didn't try that before
10:19<Mr|Daister>I'll try it now
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10:19<tweber>Well, what you describe can as well be X freezing.
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10:20<Mr|Daister>OK, I will see in a second ;)
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10:28<Mr|Daister>It's not just X
10:28<Mr|Daister>but it created messages on the screen
10:29<Mr|Daister>they look like:
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10:31<Mr|Daister>[ 3323.771972 ] [<c10092fe>] ? cpu_idle+0x89/0xa5
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10:33<tweber>Hmm, no idea. But maybe a search engine can help you.
10:33<tweber>I need to go now.
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10:34<Mr|Daister>ok, bye
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10:37<titan8990>Mr|Daister: what version of debian?
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10:37<titan8990>Mr|Daister: and when you enable wireless you get kernel dumps in your dmesg?
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10:38<Mr|Daister>i don't think it has time to write logs
10:39<titan8990>10:32 < Mr|Daister> [ 3323.771972 ] [<c10092fe>] ? cpu_idle+0x89/0xa5
10:39<titan8990>Mr|Daister: where did that come from?
10:39<Mr|Daister>I took a picture of the screen and typed it
10:40<Mr|Daister>it is not in dmesg
10:40<titan8990>Mr|Daister: it occured after doing what?
10:40<Mr|Daister>After I turned a wlan device on a different computer on
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10:42<titan8990>Mr|Daister: so its just getting dumped to a terminal? is this box functioning as an AP?
10:42<bremner_>I have an mbox full of bounce messages from exim, because outgoing mail was not configured on one machine. Is there a convenient way to resend them all, or is it matter of finding a mua that supports exim bounce messages (mutt?) and resending them one by one.
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10:44<titan8990>bremner_: doing: mail; reply *; might have the desired effect
10:44<titan8990>maybe not if they are bounces though...
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10:45<bremner_>titan8990: they are all bounces from Mailer-daemon@broken-host
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10:46<titan8990>ah, then that wouldn't do
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10:47<titan8990>bremner_: actually, if they all were intended to go to the same location, you could set an alias from Mailer-daemon and then do reply *
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10:47<titan8990>it might be undesirable for it to include the bounce errors though
10:48<bremner_>yeah, I guess I'll just scavenge a script together.
10:48<Mr|Daister>sorry, telephone rang
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10:51<Mr|Daister>the messages got dumped to the terminal I was logged in while provoking the crash
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10:52<Mr|Daister>both machines are connecting to a router
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10:56<Mr|Daister>interesting thing is: a friend of mine has a laptop which doesn't crash my machine even with wlan turned on
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10:57<Mr|Daister>If I connect from my laptop (Debian testing) or my other computer (Win XP) it does crash
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11:07<bja>!es-social del
11:07<dpkg>del: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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11:41<mgoetze>hi, can someone tell me how to install symbol.ttf so i can read documents produced with m$-word in abiword?
11:42<bja>!tell mgoetze about install font
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11:42<dr|z3d>fv-cache is your friend, mgoetze.
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11:44<dr|z3d>Erm, or fc-cache, even.
11:44<mgoetze>hm, ok, i have a symbol font now, but... it doesn't work :( (i don't get the characters i expected)
11:45<flyeng4>Installed cups and cup-pdf and cannot print via commandline or from applications. Also, when I print a test page I get Unsupported format 'application/postscript'!. Anyone have any ideas?
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11:45<sney>probably not a postscript printer, for starters
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11:46<V3N0M>any one here know how to install wireless usb driver, i have the tar file
11:46<flyeng4>I get this on the cup-pdf printer and a couple HP's that we have in the office.
11:46<V3N0M>just dont know where to install or unpack it
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11:46<dr|z3d>V3N0M: You shouldn't need to. Otherwise, you might use madwifi or ndis-wrapper.
11:46<sney>V3N0M: don't use downloaded drivers unless you absolutely have to. there's probably already something available in apt that you can use
11:47<sney>V3N0M: what wifi adapter is it?
11:47<V3N0M>ralink RT3070USB
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11:47<V3N0M>thats the driver name, not to sure exaclty what it is called
11:47<V3N0M>yeah i need to
11:48<dr|z3d>It's a realtech..
11:48<V3N0M>ill try it
11:48<dpkg>Ralink Technology Corp. is a wireless LAN chipset manufacturer. Drivers for most Ralink chipsets are present in mainline Linux kernels, ask me about <rt2x00>. For support of 802.11n devices, ask me about <rt2860sta>, <rt3090sta> (PCI devices); <rt2870sta>, <rt2800usb> (USB devices). See also <ralink firmware>.
11:48<titan8990>V3N0M: install the ralink firmware and see if it works
11:48<dr|z3d>Have you tried just plugging it in?
11:48<V3N0M>ummm how titan8990
11:49<titan8990>V3N0M: what version of debian are you using?
11:49<sney>,versions firmware-ralink
11:49<judd>firmware-ralink -- etch-backports/non-free: 0.13~bpo40+1; lenny/non-free: 0.14+lenny2; lenny-backports/non-free: 0.23~bpo50+1; sid/non-free: 0.23; squeeze/non-free: 0.23
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11:49<V3N0M>i have back track 4
11:49<V3N0M>linus KDE
11:49<dpkg>BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. #backtrack-linux on See also <based on debian>.
11:49<titan8990>V3N0M: bt4 is not debian, get support from the BT guys
11:50<sney>yep sorry leet hacker buddy you joined the wrong channel
11:50<V3N0M>where they dont have any channels that i know of
11:50<V3N0M>no i am no hacker
11:50<V3N0M>just that my ubuntu stop working
11:50<titan8990>V3N0M: read what it says above...
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11:50<sney>/server;/join #backtrack-linux
11:51<V3N0M>okay sorry thanx XD
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11:52<flyeng4>The printer I mentioned does support postscript (HP 2015) but I get the error Unsupported format 'application/postscript'! when I try to print a test page.
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11:53<sney>flyeng4: sorry, my cups knowledge is really patchy... maybe try ##cups on freenode?
11:53<flyeng4>ok thanks
11:54<titan8990>flyeng4: using hplip?
11:54<V3N0M>thank you very much for the info guys, u Debian guys kick ass XD
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11:54<themill>flyeng4: that's not a postscript printer -- install the hpijs/hplip package and be happy
11:56<sney>no problem V3N0M, if it doesn't work you can always just install debian instead
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12:41<Mr|Daister>ok, i think I just found the problem
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12:45<V3N0M>okay how do i paste something thats really big, so people can read it
12:45<Mr|Daister>you can try
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12:48<V3N0M> how do i install that cause i dont under stand this one bit
12:48<sney>you're still not running debian, whatever you're doing is still not supported here
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12:50<V3N0M>some one told me in backtrack 4 channel, that its debain based
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12:50<crazyb0y>hello there, i have problem while doing aptitude safe-upgrade in testing, mysqld doesn't want to stop with the init script ->
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12:53<ml|>crazyb0y: checked bts?
12:53<Torsten_W>can you manual stop mysqld?
12:54<crazyb0y>no i can't =(
12:54<dr|z3d>$ /etc/init.d/mysqld stop ?
12:54<crazyb0y>i did a 'strace'
12:54<crazyb0y>but nothing strange there
12:55<Torsten_W>btw, it's better to stop mysql before a update is startet
12:55<crazyb0y>only with mysqladmin -u shutdown
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12:57<crazyb0y>Torsten_W: i tried, and now it's installed, but after that i can't start with the init script the mysql server
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13:03<ivan_>debian in spanish??
13:03<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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13:07<crazyb0y>ml|: i tried to find information about this bug, but still nothing =(
13:09<ml|>crazyb0y: well I would report it
13:09<crazyb0y>ml|: thanks a lot, do you need more information ?
13:09<ml|>use reportbug if you are btw
13:10<ml|>no I mean you should report it
13:11<crazyb0y>oh ok
13:11<ml|>include the info you shared here and anything else you think it's relevant
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13:13<crazyb0y>ml|: thanks a lot
13:13<crazyb0y> /m debhelper !bts
13:13<ml|>crazyb0y: /msg dpkg reportbug
13:13<crazyb0y>ml|: oh yes i forgot it was dpkg =)
13:13<crazyb0y>thanks a lot again
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13:14<ml|>and/or bts
13:14<ml|>np :)
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13:17<marlen>hello, I'm having problems with audio, doesn't work. I'm using debian lenny
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13:18<marlen>any help, please?
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13:19<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>.
13:19<cahoot>marlen: run speaker-test -t wav -c2 - any error?
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13:19<marlen>how can I run that, I'm a Beginner
13:20<cahoot>in a terminal
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13:20<cahoot>type speaker-test -t wav -c2, then hit enter/return
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13:20<cahoot>ctrl-c to stop
13:22<marlen>the answer is: Playback open error: -2,No such file or directory
13:23<cahoot>marlen: cat /proc/asound/cards - any listed?
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13:23<marlen>ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:996:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
13:24<marlen>I don't understand
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13:24<marlen>the other
13:24<cahoot>marlen: run: cat /proc/asound/cards (in a terminal) - any listed?
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13:26<marlen>the answer is: 0 [IM ]: USB-Audio - VF0530 Live! Cam Chat IM
13:26<marlen> Creative Labs VF0530 Live! Cam Chat IM at usb-0000:00:03.3-7, high speed
13:26<marlen> 1 [SIS966 ]: HDA-Intel - HDA SIS966
13:26<marlen> HDA SIS966 at 0xfdff0000 irq 18
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13:56<K4SP3R>can anyone in here tell me what the emdebian stuff is ?
13:57<ssorgatem>it's for embedded devices
13:57<K4SP3R>ah ok
13:57<K4SP3R>I have the keyring in repos
13:57<K4SP3R>I was just wondering what the purpose for the emdebian stuff was
13:57<K4SP3R>I found the wiki page etc
13:57<ssorgatem>you don't want it unless you want to build emdebian...
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14:35<edhunter>what would the best way to install debian onto a USB stick to be used to install debian on an other computer? google gave some results but Im not sure which method to choose
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14:37<ml|>edhunter: try /msg dpkg usb install
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14:39<edhunter>thanks ml|
14:39<ml|>but you want to install to a usb or from?
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14:41<edhunter>ml|: first to and then from
14:42<nostmith>so you want to also use the usb as a live system?
14:42<ml|>I've never done it, but I don't think you need to install into usb, just place what's needed there and install from that
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14:43<edhunter>nostmith: no just to install
14:43<edhunter>ml|: hm i guess you are right. not exactly sure how to do so though
14:43<nostmith>then you don't need to install onto the usb.
14:44<ml|>edhunter: that info from dpkg should explain all about it
14:44<edhunter>yeah sure but Im not sure how to directly do it on the hard disk without messing up the installs I already have
14:44<edhunter>will need to read through what dpkg gave me ;)
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14:45*nostmith would give link to a commands list, but not sure...
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14:45<ml|>edhunter: have fun :)
14:46<edhunter>ml|: thanks. im sure that i will find out how to do it eventually :p
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14:48<edhunter>getting debian onto a usb is not really a (new) user friendly procedure now , is it? ;)
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14:49<ssorgatem>it depends on how debootstrap-friendly is the user :)
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14:49<ml|>from what I've read before does not seem difficult, but have never done it
14:49<ssorgatem>in fact, with live-magic, you even have a nice gui to make a live usb
14:50<edhunter>ssorgatem: ml|: not difficult but not as simple as other distros make it
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14:50<ssorgatem>and if you're willing to read it's documentation, live-helper is awesome
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14:50<ssorgatem>edhunter: yeah, ubuntu, for example, leaves it very easy
14:50<ml|>sure, I guess
14:51<ssorgatem>edhunter: and then there's unetbootin
14:51<ml|>yeah, that's another option; tho some say it sucks; I have not used it
14:51<edhunter>ssorgatem: sure ubuntu makes it simple. fedora also. of course the debian way is much more powerful in a sense
14:51<nostmith>edhunter, if you just want to create a usb installer, the entire procedure is like 18 commands run as root on a *nix system.
14:52<edhunter>nostmith: i will just copy the netboot image onto the disk and boot that (i have grub already)
14:52<ml|>edhunter: ask dpkg about unetbootin
14:52<ssorgatem>or 4 click with unetbootin, lol
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14:53<nostmith>edhunter, although i could just give you the list of the commands that i use, i still recomend reading that document. :)
14:53<edhunter>ml|: not an unetbootin fan :) plus I like the debian way of doing things. what I said before is not a complaint. just a comment
14:53<ml|>ok :)
14:53<edhunter>nostmith: no need for commands. i can read documentation ;)
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14:54<ssorgatem>personally, to make a usb installer I use unetbootin: rapid and simple. But if want to install debian in a usb stick, I do it from debian, with debootstrap and handwriting whatever necesary files might be
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14:55<edhunter>Im used to USB sticks and install CDs. didnt occure to me that I could directly install onto the disk :p
14:55<titan8990>many people have issues with unetbootin in debian. The recommended method is detailed in the install guide
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14:58<bgat>where would I go for help on xorg's "fbdev" server?
14:58<bgat>(debian-based powerpc host)
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14:58<dr|z3d>bgat: -based?
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14:58<dr|z3d>Can you be more specific so we can direct you to the right place?
14:58<bgat>ok :)
14:58<grueber>I did a net install via USB stick on 2 different netbooks last week, both no problems :)
14:59<dr|z3d>Just say it.. Ubuntu?
14:59<ssorgatem>ubuntu-ppc still exists?
14:59<dr|z3d>Sure it does.
14:59<ml|>grueber: using the install guide method or something else?
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15:00<findow>i'm getting an error message about not being able to stat a resume file on device /dev/sd4. i have deleted /dev/sd4. i believe it was a swap partition.
15:00<grueber>read a guide, downloaded the boot flash for USB, downloaded debian-netinst.iso and tossed that on the USB
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15:00<findow>my swap is on a different partition now
15:00<bgat>I have a very custom piece of MPC5200 (powerpc) hardware here, with a Fujitsu Lime GDC. I'm running stock Debian squeeze on it. When I bring up an xterm, the font looks really, really, REALLY bad. I'm trying to sort out whether it's a problem with font rendering, the framebuffer driver, the GDC driver, or what...
15:00<ml|>yeah that's the install guide
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15:01<bgat>Well, Debian squeeze userland. Custom kernel.
15:01<grueber>I made a mistake by downloading an i386 boot flash instead of amd64, that was the only problem I had
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15:01<bgat>so, dr|z3d, where do I go for help? :)
15:01<ml|>edhunter: see ^; not difficult ;)
15:01<fugit>after upgrading postfix I am getting the following error from some clients using tls but most connections are fine: "warning: TLS library problem: 3258:error:1408F10B:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD:wrong version number:s3_pkt.c:284:" The logs show that those same clients could connect via tls before the upgrade. Any info would be great. Thanks
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15:02<bja>fugit: been to #postfix on freenode?
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15:02<edhunter>ml|: lets ask the user how long he has been using debian ;)
15:02<dpkg>[powerpc] PowerPC is a <RISC> architecture ( See "Debian for PowerPC" at . Debian CDs are not (and cannot be made) bootable on OldWorld PowerMacs. Information on proper partitioning is at . See also <yaboot>, <quik>, <bootx>. #debianppc on and
15:02<grueber>who me? lol
15:02<borja>i espeaking espanis
15:02<grueber>been a deb user since 98
15:03<grueber>first used linux in 95 with slackware
15:03<bja>!es-social borja
15:03<dpkg>borja: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
15:03<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
15:03<borja>yo hablo español
15:03<bgat>dr|z3d: ok, I'll try #debianppc
15:03<bja>borja: calla y lee
15:03<fugit>bja: yeah just came from postfix, general answer was strange could be a library difference between me and client after update. Hoping for better answer :)
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15:03<ml|>grueber: thanks for the info btw
15:03<grueber>I used to host apt here back in 99-2002 lol
15:03<grueber>(the bot)
15:04<edhunter>ml|: hmm. i wouldnt call him a new user :) (ok I am also not that new)
15:04<ml|>grueber: ok, besides that, do you think it's fine for a new user?
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15:04<borja>bja quien eres
15:04<ml|>edhunter: yeah
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15:05<grueber>well new users will obviously have some trouble for a while, you probably will run into problems in one way or another
15:05<borja>yo hablo ESPAÑOL!
15:06<ssorgatem>borja: En este canal se habla en INGLÉS. Nos da igual lo que hables. Si no sabes inglés, márchate
15:06<grueber>ubuntu is too noob friendly, never really cared much for it lol but UNR (ubuntu netbook remix) is a good choice too
15:06<ml|>we ask on the process on installing from usb [get stuff that's needed onto usb]
15:06<dr|z3d>borja: habla espanol all you like in #debian-es
15:06<dr|z3d>borja: Here, we speak English.
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15:07<ssorgatem>dr|z3d: i don't even think he knows what's debian
15:08<borja>i am teacher pokemon
15:08<borja>me entendeis?
15:08<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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15:09<dr|z3d>ssorgatem: I think you may be right.
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15:09<ml|>he is using ubuntu btw
15:09*dr|z3d applauds the invisihand.
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15:16<centyx>i like snorlax
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15:16<centyx>we're a lot alike
15:17<ssorgatem>centyx: yeah, you're green too
15:18<centyx>ssorgatem: :P
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15:19<_Karsten>I am setting up lenny atm and am considoring using alsaconf.. I have just read that this will not be possible to use in squeeze?
15:20<_Karsten>is all that it does is edit /etc/modprobe.d/sound?
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15:24<cahoot>is alsaconf still in lenny?
15:25<ml|>seems so
15:25<ml|>dpkg alsaconf
15:25<dpkg>alsaconf is a formerly included <ALSA> configuration tool to detect sound cards. Removed from the alsa-utils package at 1.0.17-1: "The only valid use-case for alsaconf is aiding the configuration of ISA sound cards." Ask me about <install alsa> and <alsa checklist>. See also
15:25<ml|>judd versions alsa-utils
15:25<judd>alsa-utils -- etch: 1.0.13-2; lenny: 1.0.16-2; sid: 1.0.22-1; squeeze: 1.0.22-1
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15:26<_Karsten>Oh so if needs be then I can still install alsaconf from squeeze? Cool!
15:27<_Karsten>but hopefully `alsactl init` will work
15:27<ml|>are you planning on using lenny now?
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15:27<roniez>When running debian 64bit, with a intel e6600 AMD64 or IA-64? ( i do belive IA-64 as its not a AMD proc) but reading about it, i been seeing mixxed information about it.
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15:28<Torsten_W>roniez, amd64
15:28<_Karsten>yes I am using lenny atm, but was just interested in knowing how to set up sound when squeeze comes into play
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15:28<Torsten_W>no intel desktop-cpu is ia64
15:28<ml|>roniez: /msg dpkg amd64
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15:31<ml|>_Karsten: well, when squeeze becomes stable you will need to read the release notes anyways, so I would worry about that later
15:32<_Karsten>how do people do it currently? Will a sound tutorial really be included in the release notes?!
15:32<cahoot>_Karsten: squeeze is really good at autoconfiguring sound
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15:33<ml|>fwiw I never had any issues
15:34<_Karsten>ah Ok, its just that I am migrating a few of our workstations from FreeBSD and plan to upgrade to squeeze when it is released. I am just thinking ahead of any problems that may happen
15:34<_Karsten>I kinda dont trust autoconfiguration lol
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15:35<ml|>yeah that makes sense; but I would just wait, whatever you read/do now might change by the time new stable is released
15:35<cahoot>so initrams is out of the question?
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15:37<_Karsten>ah ok thanks, Guess I just like to worry :)
15:37<_Karsten>cahoot: initrams?
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15:37<ml|>get used to auto stuff ;)
15:37<_Karsten>I have seen initramfs come up a bit throughout my journey
15:38<_Karsten>ah :( lol
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15:38<_Karsten>auto is fine, so long as there is a possible way to do it manually if all fails haha
15:38<ml|>_Karsten: /msg dpkg initramfs
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15:43<centyx>kardan_: yes, the whole no xorg.conf thing is a bit annoying. I've had to hand craft an xorg.conf for all of my workstations, no matter how old or new the hardware.
15:43<centyx>_Karsten: even
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15:44<_Karsten>lol same. It is becoming strangely satisfying these days
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15:46<centyx>I think it would be very frustrating if I had been using say, Windows all these years, and were just beginning with GNU/Linux.
15:46<centyx>There is so much that is advertised or configured to work out of the box, but requires manual, command line configuration.
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15:47<edhunter>ml|: it took some time boot i managed too boot the installer on the pc :p (no,the time needed had nothing to do with debian but with user stupidity :) )
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15:47<centyx>So in a way, I can sympathize with the new users who blast Linux on the Ubuntu forums etc.
15:47<_Karsten>centyx: I agree
15:48<_Karsten>My main gripe is that so many people rely on package repositories and thus an internet connection so that they can get their software "automatically"
15:49<_Karsten>Myself I always like to have hard copies of them. Debian caters for that with its 30+ cd collection :D
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15:49<centyx>Well, one of the factors that motivated my move to debian from slackware ( in 99 ) was the realization that package management could actually be a good thing.
15:49<_Karsten>or *only* 4? DVDs haha
15:49<centyx>_Karsten: ah, I see what you're saying.
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15:50<_Karsten>yes, slackware's lack of a package management system is quite wierd... Their suggestion is... install EVERYTHING!
15:50<dondelelcaro>in most trivial setups you shouldn't need to edit xorg.conf
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15:51<ml|>but you can if you need to or add options you want
15:51<centyx>dondelelcaro: I have to in order to obtain optimal resolution on all 5 of my workstations
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15:51<centyx>have had to, rather
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15:51<ml|>!congratulate edhunter
15:51<dpkg>Good show edhunter, you did it!
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15:52<_Karsten>dondelelcaro, our workstations are about 4 years old but come with a dreaded a pretty shaky ati card. I have to tune xorg.conf to disable some features which otherwise cause Xorg to freeze
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15:52<dondelelcaro>centyx: if you have relatively modern hardware, it shouldn't be necessary. Even then, you should be able to tweak it using xrandr
15:53<dondelelcaro>but in any event, almost all of those problems are due to missing or innacurate specifications for some hardware manufacturers; there's not much that can be done about it
15:53<_Karsten>yes certainly
15:53<centyx>that's true
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15:53<centyx>but it's not a problem that's going away
15:53<_Karsten>windows only gets away with it because of the sheer amount of support it gets from the manufacturers
15:53<dondelelcaro>centyx: it actually is going away slowly
15:54<_Karsten>and thus we need manual configuration so we can get round it and we probably always will
15:54<dondelelcaro>most of my new machines don't require any configuration
15:54*centyx nods at _Karsten
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15:54<_Karsten>sometimes admins get lucky with their hardware.... I never do :p
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15:55<dondelelcaro>you just select it properly; it's not a big deal
15:56<ml|>nice works :)
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15:56<centyx>ml|: I read that yesterday
15:56<centyx>dondelelcaro: when you get to choose, yes
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15:56<_Karsten>I didnt get that luxury :(
15:56<centyx>dondelelcaro: the point is, much hardware requires manual configuration
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15:57<dondelelcaro>the amount of hardware that does is getting smaller and smaller, actually
15:57<centyx>_Karsten: me either
15:57<colin__>Does anyone here know of any program to type papers within the CLI
15:57<dondelelcaro>lots of things which required a log of work in xorg.conf now just work
15:57<dondelelcaro>colin__: any text editor and LaTeX
15:57<bibop554>Hi, i have a little problem with bash. I try to define a variable HISTTIMEFORMAT in bash, to have date and time in bash history
15:57<_Karsten>colin__: tex live and vi?
15:57<centyx>dondelelcaro: I suppose Karsten and I are the minority then
15:57<bibop554>It works great if i set the variable in ~/.bashrc
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15:58<bibop554>but i want to set it in /etc/profile so that every user see time and date in bash history
15:58<dondelelcaro>bibop554: so export HISTTIMEFORMAT='%c' or whatever you want
15:58<colin__>dondelelcaro, if I use nano, can I somehow open it in word and print it?
15:58<dondelelcaro>colin__: sure, or you can just print it from linux
15:58<colin__>_Karsten, vi would kill me! :-)
15:58<bibop554>yes, the line is: export HISTTIMEFORMAT="%h/%d - %H:%M:%S "
15:58<_Karsten>lol vim then :)
15:58<colin__>dondelelcaro, unfortunately I have a stupid Kodak printer and they do not support Linux so I have to transfer it to a school computer and print it.
15:58<centyx>sorry, trying to clear the screen
15:59<dondelelcaro>colin__: then you can turn it into a pdf or ps file using a2ps or similar, and print that directly from the school computer
15:59<_Karsten>compile the tex source as pdf and print it out on ur school computer
15:59<bibop554>so, it looks like bash doesn't read /etc/profile at startup. I start bash with "gnome-terminal", where am i wrong ?
15:59<dondelelcaro>(though odds are that cups probably supports whatever printer that is)
16:00<dondelelcaro>bibop554: it does if you're starting a login shell.
16:00<bibop554>(ALT-F2 + gnome-terminal)
16:00<dondelelcaro>bibop554: man bash; and read about INVOCATION
16:00<colin__>dondelelcaro, Thanks! I need to do some research on this as I want to start using the command line to type school papers. Just to see if I can do it
16:01<tlyu>how do i get madison's web interface to show me obsolete package versions?
16:01<_Karsten>colin__: At first you will feel really unproductive.... But its satisfying once you get good!
16:01<dondelelcaro>tlyu: it doesn't track them
16:02<_Karsten>though if you never get good.... make sure you get a job that pays you by the hour haha
16:02<colin__>_Karsten, I bet! Ideally I would like to boot into a command line and drop the GUI for a while.
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16:03<colin__>I want to be comfortable with the command line, and I have worked through some little tutorials, but I feel like the best way is to actually use it in real world situations
16:03<_Karsten>colin__: look into a tiling window manager such as dwm.. It will help force you to use the console
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16:04<_Karsten>also it uses Xorg still so if you have a widescreen display, it wont get stretched
16:05<colin__>_Karsten, I may do that with my Arch install. I was thinking of openbox. Thoughts?
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16:06<_Karsten>openbox is IMO the better *box wm, and it is pretty lite so will probably be a good start
16:07<ml|>colin__: you don't have to use a tiling wm, but can't hurt; just use the terminal more often
16:07<_Karsten>if you do need a filemanager to start off with, look into pcmanfm, doesnt drag in the whole of gnome, xfce or *shudder* kde
16:07<ml|>terminal the best fm ;)
16:07<_Karsten>lol yes
16:08<dr|z3d>pcmanfm a good choice, yup.
16:08<colin__>Are you guys using Ubuntu?
16:08<_Karsten>colin__: ok here can be the plan.. Install no file manager (not even a CUI one), that will force you to learn file manipulation via terminal pretty quickly
16:08<dr|z3d>Xfce also a good choice for a DE, in which case thunar also good. :)
16:08<ml|>are you?
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16:08<colin__>Right now, yes
16:09<colin__>I was using Arch, but I kept having kernel panics
16:09<colin__>_Karsten, good idea
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16:09<dr|z3d>colin__: You won't find anyone here that admits to using Ubuntu, even if they do. Note the channel topic.
16:09*dr|z3d winks.
16:10<ml|>ok, you should ask in #ubuntu on freenode
16:10<colin__>Good point
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16:10<colin__>I was so sad when I installed it
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16:12<colin__>ml|, I dont want to go to the ubuntu channel. I want to be around the pros so I can learn!
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16:12<ml|>colin__: ubuntu is not debian
16:12<bibop554>dondelelcaro: ok maybe i have understand while bash doesn't read the /etc/profile, it's because shell launched from gnome are not login shell, right ?
16:12<edhunter>colin__: you can install debian ;)
16:13<colin__>I could, but is there really that big a difference?
16:13<edhunter>colin__: yes
16:13<Lethalman>colin__, debian is a democracy, ubuntu is not... that's one big difference
16:14<ml|>colin__: read about both and you decide
16:14<colin__>What is the current kernel on Debian?
16:15<ml|>colin__: /msg judd kernels
16:15<_Karsten>The kernel's name is Lenny and he is 2.6.26-2
16:15<colin__>I dont really have a problem with Debian, I just feel like it is behind. I am NOT trying to be a jerk and I hope that doesnt come off the wrong way. I like the newer packages and kernels, especially since there is finally an open source ATI driver.
16:16<edhunter>colin__: Debian cares about stable. many of the up to date distros (if not all) care about having users no matter what
16:16<colin__>edhunter, that is true
16:17<edhunter>I even had devs of other distros admit that the one or the other version they release was crap..
16:17<dondelelcaro>bibop554: right, you're dealing with an interactive shell, not an interactive login shell
16:17<dondelelcaro>bibop554: so it reads /etc/bash.bashrc, and not /etc/profile
16:17<edhunter>colin__: and if you want to be up to date you can always use unstable (no there is not support for that:) )
16:17<bibop554>dondelelcaro: so it's not possible to make system wide configuration for non-login shell ?
16:17<colin__>I believe it. I loved Arch, but it certainly was not stable on my system. System freezes at least once a day, and even the magic sys rq sequence didnt work
16:17<dondelelcaro>bibop554: sure it is; I just told you how to do it
16:18<dondelelcaro>bibop554: though honestly, you shouldn't be doing too much that is system wide if you've actually got a lot of users
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16:18<edhunter>colin__: dont know about arch but i am running a distro based on unstable and it is rather stable
16:19<colin__>What I really like about Debian, Arch, Gentoo and the like are the users. They have a lot of knowledge. Ubuntu, since it is geared towards the masses, is dumbed down Linux.
16:19<bibop554>dondelelcaro: Sorry, i was looking at this table in the same time:
16:19<colin__>edhunter, Maybe I will try that instead of Arch
16:20<bibop554>dondelelcaro: and /etc/bash.bashrc doesn't appear in wikipedia !
16:20<titan8990>!tell bibop554 about dotfiles
16:20<titan8990>bibop554: there is a much better explination of dotfiles on the greycat wiki
16:20<edhunter>colin__: you can but do note that unstable needs some more knowledge than Ubuntu to be maintained but ok if you had arch you should be fine
16:20<dondelelcaro>bibop554: wouldn't be the first time that wikipedia is wrong
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16:21<ml|>better to read the manpages
16:22<colin__>edhunter, I dont mind. So long as it is stable. I dont mind figuring out some issues here and there, but kernel panics with no logs are a pain
16:22<ml|>or look in /usr/share/doc/
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16:22<edhunter>colin__: sure..
16:22<ml|>colin__: how long using linux?
16:22<_Karsten>colin__: Debian isn't "behind" enough. It wants to autoconfigure my sound!!! lol
16:23<colin__>About a year now
16:23<colin__>_Karsten, thats funny.
16:23<edhunter>btw does anyone have experience with virtualbox-ose from unstable and debian kernels from testing/unstable? they dont seem to want to boot, they timeout
16:24<bibop554>dondelelcaro: ok it works, thank you. btw, what is the matter with system wide configuration if i have a lot of users ? (which is not the case, but i would like to learn why ^^)
16:24<ml|>colin__: after you install and use debian for a while you can use another release if you want; but you will mostly support yourself
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16:25<dondelelcaro>bibop554: because you're making decisions that other users may not like
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16:25<ml|>edhunter: no issues here in testing
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16:26<edhunter>ml|: it is strange i would say. stable kernel boots and an other kernel i used also booted (.33). i guess its not a debian issue
16:26<bibop554>dondelelcaro: ok
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16:27<ml|>colin__: /msg dpkg releases ; so you know more and /msg dpkg refrence /msg dpkg ig
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16:28<colin__>ml|, Thanks. I will take a look at that. I suppose an official ATI driver is not needed if I am not using fancy desktop effects and such.
16:29<_Karsten>which neither dwm or openbox support... So it is a win - win :)
16:29<centyx>_Karsten: word
16:30<ml|>btw xmonad for a tiling wm :)
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16:30<colin__>It is fun to show up the Windows and Mac kids with all the cool effects though.
16:30<centyx>_Karsten: I use dwm, and I put openbox on my dad's ancient laptop so he'd have something a little more familiar
16:30<_Karsten>written in haskel(sp?), so is apparently very robust
16:30<ml|>_Karsten: yes, /msg dpkg xmonad :)
16:31<colin__>How sad, I am using GNOME and your dad is using openbox
16:31<_Karsten>haha. Yeah but I got my sister using CDE :p
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16:31<centyx>colin__: all he does is surf the internet for automotive parts
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16:31<colin__>centyx, lol. Good times
16:32<centyx>colin__: also, that machine can't handle gnome, too resource intensive
16:32<_Karsten>centyx: not much *can* handle gnome these days lol
16:33<colin__>GNOME is almost as robust as KDE now
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16:33<centyx>_Karsten: i had a p3 ( tho it was dual 1ghz ) system w/ 4mb video card running it well
16:34<dr|z3d>Huh? Gnome as robut as KDE?
16:34<centyx>_Karsten: my wife uses it
16:34<dr|z3d>You have that the wrong way around.
16:34<_Karsten>ah nice
16:34*ml| points at #debian-offtopic
16:34<centyx>ml|: ah yes, apologies
16:34<locklace>!start a desktop war
16:34<dpkg>TWM forever!
16:34<locklace>!beer dpkg
16:34*dpkg pulls out a fine Delirium Tremens for dpkg
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16:35<dr|z3d>!lart locklace
16:35*dpkg urinates on locklace
16:35<centyx>oh my
16:35<locklace>!bomb dr|z3d
16:35*dpkg drops a humongous exploding turd on dr|z3d
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16:37*bja sings love is in the air .....
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16:42<shd2323>is there a Firefox in debian?
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16:43<ml|>shd2323: /msg dpkg iceweasel
16:43<_Karsten>shd2323: there is an Iceweasle
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16:44<_Karsten>*spelt wrong on my behalf :p
16:44<UrsoBran1o>hi ppl, does anyone knows how to fill the questions a package do to the user automatically (for test purpose)
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16:45<UrsoBran1o>I just want to preconfigure the package for the test case
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16:46<shd2323>what does 'based on firefox' mean? is this a firefox?
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16:47<titan8990>shd2323: iceweasel is firefox... did you msg the bot like ml| suggested?
16:47<edhunter>UrsoBranco: if i understood correctly what you want they keyword would be debconf. you can preseed its data base so it doesnt ask but i dont really know how that works
16:49<shd2323>what's 'DFSG-free'?
16:49<UrsoBranco>edhunter: thanks, I'll dig how to preseed its data
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16:49<UrsoBranco>edhunter: and see how it works
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16:51<shd2323>3.5.8-1 - www-browser gnome-www-browser
16:51<shd2323>is there a repository where I can get 3.6.3?
16:51<titan8990>, versions iceweasel
16:51<judd>iceweasel -- etch:; etch-security:; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.8-1~bpo50+2; squeeze: 3.5.8-1; sid: 3.5.9-2; experimental: 3.6.3-1
16:52<titan8990>shd2323: yes, but highly not recommended
16:52<shd2323>why? it has security updates
16:52<UrsoBranco>,versions linux-image-686
16:52<dr|z3d>shd2323: You can get 3.7pre5a if you want, from Mozilla's PPA.
16:52<judd>linux-image-686 -- etch: 2.6.18+6etch3; etch-security: 2.6.18+6etch3; etch-backports: 2.6.26+17~bpo40+2; lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32+25~bpo50+1; sid: 2.6.32+25; squeeze: 2.6.32+25
16:52<titan8990>dr|z3d: PPA? as in ubuntu?
16:53<titan8990>shd2323: so does 3.0.6.-3 in lenny
16:53<dr|z3d>titan8990: Yeah, works well with Debian too.
16:53<dr|z3d>Mozilla's PPA, that is, afaik.
16:54<titan8990>I would personally go with the upstream tarball. its an easy install if you wish to go the upstream route. I do it with thunderbird
16:54<dr|z3d>3.06 != 3.6 :)
16:54<dr|z3d>Except tarballs have a hard time autoupdating :)
16:54<titan8990>dr|z3d: I know, I was just trying to make the point that a vulnerability in version X of upstream does not make it vulnerble in version X of debian
16:55<dr|z3d>titan8990: Fair enough. :)
16:55<titan8990>dr|z3d: I update manually, yes
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16:56<ml|>just want to point that firefox updates it self, when using mozilla's tarball
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16:58<shd2323>is tehre some lighter alternatives to gdm?
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16:58<dondelelcaro>shd2323: xdm
16:58<ml|>or no dm at all
16:59<titan8990>ml|: in thunderbird with the upstream tarball, the "check for updates" option is greyed out. This might have something to do with the user running it not having permission to upgrade it though
16:59<ml|>titan8990: probably, works fine here with firefox
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16:59<titan8990>ml|: installed to your homedir?
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17:00<titan8990>ml|: aha! I can upgrade as root. I installed to /opt
17:01<ml|>ah, if its only one user /home/bin or something like that would be best; imho
17:01<titan8990>ml|: agreed, but I did not go that route. Might switch it up one of these days
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17:05<shd2323>so when I had installed xdm it will start X for me?
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17:08<_Karsten>hmm, does anyone know if Lenny DVD #2 contains the xorg-dev meta-package? Is there a listing of packages contained on the DVDs anywhere?
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17:09<ml|>_Karsten: /msg dpkg cd contents
17:09<dondelelcaro>!cd contents
17:09<dpkg>To find out what is on what disk, use the searchable index at or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the disk.
17:10<_Karsten>ml|: ah great thankyou
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17:12<_Karsten>Yes it seems to be. It will be interesting to see how the package system will get me to install components on different DVDs... Hopefully it wont make me keep swapping them per package :p
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17:12<centyx>_Karsten: are you on dialup or something?
17:13<rebee>i do not speak much englis
17:14<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
17:14<kop>rebee: What language do you speak?
17:14<_Karsten>Well, the lab is offline only (networking / development lab). A solution at some point will be to create a local package repo
17:14<centyx>_Karsten: ah
17:15<rebee>i do noy underestandd
17:15<centyx>_Karsten: sounds like that point may be sooner than later, as you're juggling dvds
17:16<centyx>_Karsten: not to mention security updates
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17:17<kop>rebee: Type "/quit".
17:17<Karsten_>yes, I am not a fan of package systems / repos for this reason but with linux it is a necessary evil
17:18<kop>Karsten_: Mirroring is pretty painless, and there's always apt-cacher for security. See also
17:18<Karsten_>osx / win32 only gets away with it because the software includes every library that isnt in base much easier but is almost impossible to update if a security risk is found in one of the libs
17:18<erKURITA>I'd love to see you compiling all of your daily software and patching it up. Oh, and keeping up with (broken) dependiencies ;)
17:18<ml|>Karsten_: you can use netinst cd is you like, ask dpkg
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17:20<Karsten_>I feel I am starting to annoy dpkg haha. But yeah, once a local mirror is set up, a netinst will be cool. pxe booting each machine will be quite interesting too
17:20<centyx>Karsten_: it's great w/ preseed
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17:21<Karsten_>a quick google of preseed was.... not quite what you meant I am sure :D Some sort of vaginal lubricant?
17:21<centyx>a preseed file
17:21<centyx>search for debian preseed
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17:22<Karsten_>yep, I'm with you. Yeah that will be useful
17:23<rebee>yo hablo español
17:23<centyx>oh my
17:23<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
17:23<rebee>alguien habla español?
17:23<bja>!es-social rebee
17:23<dpkg>rebee: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
17:24<bja>rebee: lee lo que dice la linea anterior
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17:25<rebee>you who speak Spanish?
17:26<bja>rebee: The ha llegado una invitación de #debian-es pica sobre ella ahí te ayudaran
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17:27<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
17:27<rebee>noo no me ha llegado nada
17:27<Karsten_>ah cool. So they don't just have that set up for the spanish
17:27<Karsten_>... although I would understand if they didn't :p
17:28<rebee>no me ha llegado nada:S
17:28<servernoob>anyone here have experience setting up usermin?
17:29<servernoob>I've talked to other people and there shouldnt be any reason that I can tell that I would not be able to access it remotely, but I get errors everytime I attempt to
17:30<shd2323>where can I look who's a package maintainer and stuff?
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17:30<kop>shd2323: has a packages section.
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17:32<centyx>shd2323: apt-cache show <pkg> should show the maintainer also
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17:33<centyx>shd2323: well, not in such detail as
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17:34<centyx>time to go home
17:34<centyx>have a nice <day/night>
17:34<bja>have a nice trip
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17:47<chealer>Why would Iceweasel produce no sound, for example reading Wikipedia's Wikipedia article? I tried ICEWEASEL_DSP auto, none and aoss with no difference. This is a testing machine with KDE 4.3. Sound works fine in other applications, and in Iceweasel on a similar install software-wise.
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17:54<Karsten_>chealer: do a `lsmod | grep snd` and tell me if snd_pcm_oss is present
17:54<Karsten_>perhaps iceweasel needs oss emulation which is set up on your other pc?
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17:55<servernoob>is there a way to add a user to multiple groups
17:55<chealer>Nevermind, sounds does not work fine in all other applications anymore.
17:55<Karsten_>`usermod -a -G sudo john` should add john to the sudo group
17:56<Karsten_>chealer: Oh, thats fine then :p
17:57<servernoob>I built a webserver for a class project and was having issues installing wordpress on one of the sample "client" websites
17:57<servernoob>I changed the "customer" user to be a part of the www-data group
17:57<servernoob>and was able to ftp and write to the wordpress folder
17:58<servernoob>however, now that I did that the users usermin account no longer has access to read/write his/her files
17:58<servernoob>if I change the group back they can access and read/write
17:59<servernoob>but then access to wordpress files fail
17:59<Karsten_>did you remember the -a when you did usermod?
17:59<servernoob>does that keep the current group?
17:59<Karsten_>yes, it appends the new group on
18:00<Karsten_>if not you need to specify all the groups he needs to be in in one go
18:00<Karsten_>but -a should work fine
18:01<servernoob>alright thank you
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18:01<ml|>can also use adduser; man adduser should help and man usermod
18:02<Karsten_>`usermod -G www,kpedersen,pr0n,sudo kpedersen` is mine :)
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18:02<servernoob>sweet got it
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18:03<ml|>heh, nice groups
18:03<servernoob>that helps out a lot now
18:03<servernoob>still havent gotten the mail server configured thou
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18:04<servernoob>what to u use?
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18:04<servernoob>i have postfix and dovecot installed, but not currently configured
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18:04<Karsten_>lotus domino.... But I wont blame you if you want to use something else haha
18:05<servernoob>lol whys that
18:05<bja>servernoob: you have most of the work done
18:05<bja>servernoob: you want the long tutorial or the short one?
18:05<servernoob>yea, im just a little confused about how to set it up
18:06<servernoob>whichever way works
18:06<bja>both do
18:06<Karsten_>servernoob: domino costs large amounts, proprietry and isn't really that great
18:06<servernoob>does the long tutorial give more advantages?
18:07<servernoob>I think I'd be interested in hearing it then
18:07<servernoob>depending on how long
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18:08*dr|z3d annoints bja the channel mail sexpert.
18:08<bja>Clear as water if you happen to understand
18:08<bja>!lart dr|z3d
18:08*dpkg chops dr|z3d in half with a free Solaris 7 CD
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18:09<dr|z3d>!beer bja
18:09*dpkg pulls out a fine Spaten Pils for bja
18:09<servernoob>sounds pretty cool
18:09<servernoob>whats the short one thou?
18:09<bja>No second chances on email once you spam you are a spammer ;P
18:09<servernoob>I only ask because I am relatively new to server configs and this is essentially due tomorrow
18:09<bja>it is based on that stuff let me look for the url
18:10<servernoob>I wouldn't have asked, except for this line here:
18:10<servernoob>Going through this setup takes you between 2 hours (for a professional) and a week (if you are a beginner who will inevitably make mistakes). So make sure you are not in a hurry.
18:10<servernoob>ideally it would only take 2 hrs
18:11<bja>servernoob: to implemente if you know exactly what you are doing
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18:34<shd2323>dammit iceweasel crashes constantly
18:35<adb>on youtube ?
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18:38<shd2323>no on random pages; and writes nothing to the terminal, just segfaults
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18:40<ml|>shd2323: try with a new profile
18:41<ml|>it might be an add-on
18:41<superwow>(activating the adobe flash plugin is another way of saying: i want to serve random botnets)
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18:42<shd2323>superwow, you know 3rd party flash plugins?
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18:43<superwow>no. and i'm mostly clueless..
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18:43<Johan>i need help
18:43<Johan>i have a big problem
18:43<Johan>can someone help
18:44<ml|>that's a bit of a stretch, tho it does suck
18:44<themill>Johan: only if you ask ...
18:44<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
18:44<Johan>my problem is that I can't boot my system
18:45<bja>You are screwed, next
18:45<ml|>!lart bja
18:45<Johan>it is debian
18:45*dpkg beats bja senseless with a 50lb Unix manual
18:45<jmux>shd2323: you can try mozilla-plugin-gnash
18:45<Johan>when i try to boot I get to logon screen
18:45<Johan>but my network interface doesn't seems to work
18:46<Johan>so when i use root for login name
18:46<Johan>it then asks for the pass
18:46<Johan>which I don't know
18:46<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
18:46<shd2323>Johan, try maintenance mode
18:47<Johan>so I tried to remove it, starting with init=/bin/bash
18:47<Johan>and rw
18:47<Johan>it booted OK, i tried to remove the password which seems OK passwd root, changed pass OK
18:48<Johan>when i rebooted in normal mode i get to logon screen trying login + new pass but now way, I get: no logon servers
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18:49<Johan>shd2323: I did, but I then get "No logon servers" and timed out for logon
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18:50<bja>Johan: Try to log in from a termina
18:50<Johan>bja: how
18:50<Johan>live cd ?
18:50<bja>ctrl alt F1
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18:50<Johan>thanks bja
18:50<bja>should automagically put you in one
18:50<Johan>i try now
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18:52<Johan>when do I have to put ctrl+alt+F1
18:52<Johan>upon login screen
18:53<dr|z3d>Johan: When you want a command line, not a ui, perhaps?
18:53<Johan>my problem is: i can't get into the server which is not responding to ping suddenly
18:54<Johan>I can't even pass login screen
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18:54<Johan>and ipv4 doesn't seems to work
18:54<Johan>it's a file server
18:55<bja>Johan: if you don't have the root access, i believe that you should call your sysadmin so s/he can fix the problem
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18:55<Johan>the sysadmin told us: google the solution for root pass forgotten, because I don't know it
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18:56<bja>Johan: then comply
18:56<shd2323>Johan, are you in domain?
18:56<Johan>shd2323: maybe but I am not sure
18:56<Johan>there is also an win2008 ad, but I though it was not connected to debian, maybe it is
18:56<Johan>can figure out how to pass
18:57<Johan>please help
18:57<Karsten_>Johan, boot into single user mode
18:57<Karsten_>so when computer starts up.. at grub
18:57<Karsten_>press 'e'
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18:58<Karsten_>then go to the second line and put a 1 after it (with a space)
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18:58<Karsten_>then you will be in single user mode, so you can type 'passwd'
18:58<Karsten_>and change the root password
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18:59<shd2323>can you paste /etc/nsswitch.conf ?
18:59<Johan>i have a blue boot screen
18:59<Karsten_>thats nice :)
18:59<dr|z3d>shd2323: You mean _pastebin_ :)
18:59<Karsten_>press 'e' :)
19:00<Johan>with debian GNU/linux kernel 2.6.26-2 486
19:00<Karsten_>thats the one
19:00<Karsten_>once you press e you should see some lines
19:00<Johan>so I edit and put the number 1 at the end ?
19:00<Karsten_>go to the second one with the arrow key
19:00<Johan>its kernel
19:00<Karsten_>press e to edit the line aswell
19:01<Karsten_>I believe thats the one
19:01<Johan>the end is root=/dev/md0 ro
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19:01<Karsten_> yes
19:01<Karsten_>ok so you want to put 'root=/dev/md0 ro 1'
19:01<Johan>then b
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19:02<Karsten_>so once that has run its course... you should be at a prompt
19:03<Johan>i am at xxx logi:
19:03<Johan>i am at xxx login:
19:03<Karsten_>? really?
19:03<Karsten_>perhaps we added 1 to the wrong line... Ok could you briefly type out the lines that you see when you press 'e' at the grub
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19:04<Karsten_>the highlited one here is where you added 1?
19:04<Johan>the second one which start with "kernel"
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19:05<Karsten_>ok, let me do it on my pc, bare with me
19:05<Karsten_>ah... in grub, before you press e.. do you have an option...
19:05<Karsten_>Debian GNU/Linux, kernel xxxxx (single-user mode)
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19:07<Johan>not single user mode, but recovery mode
19:07<Johan>is it the one ?
19:08<Karsten_>it is different to what I have, but it *might* be the same. Run it, it wont damage anything
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19:08<Karsten_>This single-user "trick" is what I had to do on some RedHat 5 servers.
19:08<Karsten_>I imagine it is the same process on debian
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19:09<Johan>i tried maintenance mode, which has the option "single" at the end of the kernel line
19:09<Johan>I added 1 and pressed b
19:10<Karsten_>Try it again but do not add 1 to the end.. just select it normally
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19:10<Johan>the error i have is: error: 'single' exited outside the expected code flow
19:10<Karsten_>oh, thats what I have.. that might be ok
19:10<Johan>then give the root password for maintenance or CTRL+d
19:10<Karsten_>just let it continue
19:10<Karsten_>ah :(
19:10<dpkg>For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
19:10<Karsten_>oh, well this trick will not work then
19:11<Johan>ctrl+d and came across the logon screen again
19:11<Karsten_>ok, do what dpkg suggested
19:12<Karsten_>so add 'init/bin/sh' to the end of the line (rather than 1)
19:12<Johan>is it init=/bin/sh or init=/bin/bash
19:12<Karsten_>the first one
19:14<Johan>i get sh-3.2#
19:14<Karsten_>btw thanks themill, its nice to know of a way to do this if the other method doesnt work :)
19:14<Karsten_>ok, so now do the next stage...
19:14<Johan>thanks themill
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19:15<Karsten_>'mount -o remount,rw /'
19:15<Karsten_>oh.. wait
19:15<Karsten_>just type passwd
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19:15<Karsten_>you can miss off the mounting of the filesystem I think
19:16<titan8990>!lost root password
19:16<Johan>i have several errors when i do fsck
19:16<titan8990>!forgot root password
19:16<dpkg>For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
19:16<Karsten_>yeah... just type 'passwd' now
19:16<shd2323>open /etc/nsswitch.conf in text editor and tell what is written in passwd: and shadow: lines
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19:16<Johan>shd2323: is it "vi /etc/nsswitch.conf" ?
19:16<titan8990>Karsten_: init=/bin/sh mounts / in readonly mode. it must be remounted as rw
19:17<shd2323>vi or nano, doesn't matter
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19:17<titan8990>or emacs
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19:17<Karsten_>titan8990: ah ok, fair enuf. cheers
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19:17<Johan>titan8990: i get authentication token lock busy, you are right
19:18<adb>Johan, uname -r, says ?
19:18<Karsten_>Johan, just tried on mine... once you remount, the password changes perfectly
19:19<Karsten_>'mount -o remount,rw /
19:20<Johan>password changed successfully
19:20<Johan>do i have to reboot now ?
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19:20<Johan>if i am on a domain how do i know
19:20<Johan>and change it
19:20<shd2323>first look into your nsswitch.conf :)
19:20<Karsten_>it might be easier to just reboot
19:21<Karsten_>oh i see... nvmnd
19:22<shd2323>just "passwd:" line
19:22<Johan>passwd: compat winbind / group: compat winbind / shadow: compat / hosts: files dns / network: files
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19:23<Johan>protocols : db files / services: db files / ethers: db files / rpc: db files / netgroup: nis
19:23<shd2323>ok try to remove 'winbind' from passwd:, group: and shadow: lines, save and reboot
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19:24<shd2323>leave just 'compat' there
19:24<Johan>i reboot
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19:25<Johan>do u think my network is dead ?
19:25<Johan>as my win2008 server is alive ?
19:25<Johan>i mean my network card
19:25<shd2323>apparently, if logon server is not found
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19:26<shd2323>can you ping/telnet your logon server?
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19:27<Johan>ping win2008 yes
19:27<Johan>I get password again
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19:27<Johan>xxx login: root
19:27<Johan>password: xxxxxx
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19:28<Johan>the network card won't blink
19:28<Johan>how do i recover my data
19:28<shd2323>can you login as root bbow?
19:29<Johan>i get password again
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19:30<Johan>i get nothing, "no logon server" or "incorrect login"
19:30<Johan>is it binded to the domain ?
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19:31<Johan>i have nothing in ad
19:31<shd2323>it shouldn't be now
19:31<Johan>is it possible that the nsswitch.conf is re-written at each boot from another one ?
19:32<shd2323>i doubt it
19:32<shd2323>boot into single mode again and take a look
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19:34<Johan>it is compat only for each line
19:35<Johan>can i type logon in single mode ?
19:35<shd2323>no, in single mode you can be only root
19:36<adb>Johan, logon is used for log in windows server ?
19:36<Johan>don't know
19:36<Johan>what about mdadm ?
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19:37<shd2323>ok now, in single mode, change root password and say if there are any errors
19:37<Johan>so i put: passwd root then the new pass ?
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19:37<Johan>password updated successfully
19:38<Johan>can i type "login" now?
19:39<Johan>it appears: (none) login:
19:39<Johan>it's ok now !!
19:39<Johan>can i reboot ??
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19:40<Johan>how can i get my data and copy ?
19:40<shd2323>which data?
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19:40<Johan>my files
19:41<Johan>i don't know where to locate them
19:41<adb> which files ?
19:41<Johan>there were a network share
19:41<Johan>from the linux box
19:41<Johan>accessible from winxp
19:41<shd2323>which linux box?
19:41<adb>Johan, you are in , so do what you want now
19:41<Johan>i don't know how to do
19:42<adb>to do what ?
19:42<Johan>i meant the debian server
19:42<Johan>to locate files
19:42<Johan>and mount drives
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19:42<adb>which files ?
19:42<Karsten_>find / | grep <filename>
19:42<shd2323>is it the debian server you've shared folders from?
19:42<Johan>but there are others disks
19:42<Johan>and don't know how to access the raid
19:43<adb>df -h ,, say ?
19:43<Johan>i think i am on another drive for booting
19:43<Karsten_>oh. you just need to mount them
19:43<Johan>df -h ?
19:43<Karsten_>ls /dev/da*
19:43<Karsten_>*soz we are on linux... ls /dev/sd*
19:43<shd2323>check /etc/samba/smb.conf for your shares location btw
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19:44<adb>Johan, uname -r , says ?
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19:45<timothy>I run debian squeeze amd64 laptop - and I want to make the wifi card work - however I do not know its name and manufacturer - how can I find that? - what application will allow me to configure it
19:45<nextime>Karsten_: why did you suggest find / piped to grep instead of find / -name ?
19:46<Karsten_>nextime: Because it is the first thing I thought of before I read man find :p
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19:46<Johan>i got the share path /home/ephi/data
19:46<adb>Johan, uname -r , says ?
19:46<nextime>Karsten_ : ok, it was just o understand if there was any valid motivation to do it
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19:47<Karsten_>nextime: not at all.. It also has the annoying side effect of comming up with permission errors if done as a normal user
19:47<Johan>adb: 2.6.26-2-486
19:48<titan8990>why 486?
19:48<adb>Johan, and how much ram ?
19:49<Johan>512 i think
19:49<Johan>what do i do with /home/ephi/data to copy files from
19:50<Johan>mount /home/ephi/data doesn't work
19:51<Johan>im newbie
19:51<Karsten_>cp -r /home/ephi/data <removable hard disk>
19:52<Johan>can i put usb key hot plug ?
19:52<Karsten_>you will need to mount it
19:52<Karsten_>so put in the usb key
19:53<Karsten_>in the console, do you see a message like 'sdb' or something?
19:53<Johan>which file format can i use
19:53<Johan>i have to format it
19:53<Karsten_>what format is the usb key?
19:53<Karsten_>oh. use msdosfs
19:53<Karsten_>in linux I think that is vfat?
19:53<Johan>it is a 16GB NTFS
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19:54<Johan>i have to format it FAT32 ?
19:54<Karsten_>you should, incase debian cannot write to ntfs format
19:54<Johan>ok done
19:54<Johan>i insert it
19:54<Karsten_>do you see a message appear?
19:55<Johan>new high speed usb device
19:55<Karsten_>cool, does it say 'sdb', 'sdc' etc... anywhere?
19:55<Karsten_>anything else?
19:56<Karsten_>is that it?
19:56<Johan>i see sony usb key
19:56<Johan>serial number / product / vendor etc...
19:56<Karsten_>does it say its device name anywhere?
19:56<Karsten_>so we know what to mount?
19:57<Johan>usb 5-1
19:57<Karsten_>normally it is sdb or sdc
19:57<adb> /dev/sdb ...
19:57<Karsten_>or adb adc
19:57<Johan>new high speed usb device using ehci_hcd and adress 3
19:57<Johan>nothing morte
19:58<Karsten_>do `ls /dev/sd*`
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19:59<Johan>i get a lot of drives
20:00<Karsten_>now take the usb stick out and tell me which one has disappeared when you run the command again...
20:00<Johan>same list
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20:00<adb>Johan, put usb stick in debian machine , not on windows ...
20:00<Johan>adb: of course !!!!
20:01<Johan>i think the usb key is too big: 16gb
20:01<Karsten_>umm, I don't know what to suggest
20:02<Karsten_>Linux can handle my 120gig usb stick (formated in fat32)
20:02<Johan>with another key it doesn't work (4gb)
20:02<Karsten_>and it gives me a device node name which I can use to mount
20:02<Johan>the key won't blink
20:03<Karsten_>does nothing appear on the terminal?
20:03<Johan>but recognized by the system as lexar 4gb
20:03<Karsten_>cool, does it say anything else?
20:03<Johan>vendor, serial number etc...
20:03<Karsten_>hold on, let me see what I get when I stick in a mem stick
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20:04<Karsten_>I get...
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20:04<Karsten_>sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through....
20:04<Johan>do i have a limitation on the machine ?
20:05<Karsten_>I dont assume so
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20:05<Johan>the 4gb key is new and workd perfect on win
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20:05<Johan>fat 32 system
20:05<Johan>16 gb smae thing
20:05<Karsten_>the light sometimes doesnt flash
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20:06<Johan>karsten: it doesn't
20:06<Karsten_>It is more the messages that come up that are most importantr
20:06<Johan>it's strange
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20:06<Karsten_>press Ctrl-Alt-F1
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20:07<adb>Johan, your -468 machine don't like usb2.0
20:07<Karsten_>to make sure you are on tty1
20:07<Johan>it does nothing
20:07<Karsten_>kk, you are on tty1 already
20:07<Karsten_>adb: surely it should still come up with a device name?
20:08<adb>Karsten_, sure
20:08<Johan>surely it goes with usb2
20:09<Karsten_>Johan, can you ping any nearby computers? Set up an ftp on one of them and sent files over lan
20:09<Johan>how do i know if the network is working on the debian machine
20:09<Karsten_>well I imagine it isnt lol
20:09<Karsten_>but do a `dhclient eth0`
20:09<Johan>it is not
20:10<Johan>with ping i get: network is unreachable
20:10<adb>says ?
20:10<Karsten_>`dhclient eth0` will get you an ip address
20:10<Karsten_>ah yes... i bet there is not eth0 haha
20:11<Karsten_>do an `ifconfig -a` to see if ethernet card is working
20:12<Johan>i have eth0 and lo
20:12<Johan>with descriptiongf
20:13<adb>IP of eth0 ?
20:13<adb>Johan, your in single mode now ?
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20:13<Johan>do i have to reboot in normal mode
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20:15<Karsten_>ok reboot
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20:15<Karsten_>then ur memory sticks should be easier to mount :)
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20:16<Johan>single mode it is without usb so
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20:17<Karsten_>adb: good thinking.. I made an incorrect assumption :p
20:17<Karsten_>that he was in runlevel 3+
20:18<Johan>i have a crash
20:19<Johan>fsck died with exit status 4
20:19<Karsten_>ignore it.. I am sure it is nothing... :D
20:19<Johan>an automatic file system check of the root file system failed
20:20<Johan>karsten: when i type the root password for maintenance mode, it says incorrect login
20:20<Johan>i will press ctrl+d so
20:20<Johan>but the system restarted
20:20<Karsten_>dont select single user mode this time
20:21<Karsten_>select the first option from the grub menu
20:21<Karsten_>plus.. do you not have the root password yet?
20:22<Johan>i did have the root password, but in single mode
20:22<Johan>the first option starts with the ro switch is it oK?
20:22<Johan>the system now won't start
20:22<Karsten_>it should be the same one
20:22<dpkg>To instruct your system to execute <fsck> on the next boot: "touch /forcefsck". Useful for checking the root filesystem for errors (via /etc/init.d/ Alternatively, supply the -F option to shutdown(8) to create the /forcefsck advisory file, or include "forcefsck" at the kernel command line (Squeeze).
20:22<Johan>i get run fsck MANUALLY
20:23<Johan>give root password for maintenance: NO WAY it doesn't work
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20:27<Karsten_>I gotta head off to sleep.
20:27<Karsten_>Johan, if you and adb dont manage to sort it tonight, feel free to send me a PM tomorrow and I will give it a go
20:27<Karsten_>*another go
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20:29<Johan>adb: the system won't start now
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20:30<adb>Johan, yeah, maybe tomorrow
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20:30<Johan>i get inconstitency and fsck must be run manually
20:30<Johan>adb: what time is it for u ?
20:30<Johan>same here
20:31<Johan>i have to manage it for tomorrow morning
20:31<Johan>im dead
20:31<Johan>don"t know how to get the data
20:31<Johan>i have a knoppix live cd
20:31<Johan>but don't know how to use
20:32<Johan>can i start fsck from the live cd
20:32<Johan>i have terminal
20:32<Johan>on it
20:33<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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20:33<Johan>sorry bja
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20:34<adb>Johan, pay someone to do it ..
20:35<adb>(but not me)
20:35<bja>!beer adb
20:35*dpkg pulls out an excellent Bornem Tripple for adb
20:36<Johan>adb: why
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20:36<Johan>where are u from
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20:37<adb>Johan, you don't know, and you want your data in next ours
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20:38<adb>Johan, and , we waste enough time on that issue
20:38<Johan>adb: i am so sorry
20:39<Johan>give me just guidelines
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20:39<adb>!tell Johan -about forcefsck
20:40<Johan>thanks adb
20:40<adb>fsck.ext3 -f -y /dev/md0
20:41<Johan>but i don't have any terminal working
20:41*Guest2425 hahaha
20:41<adb> 02:29<Johan> i have terminal
20:42<Johan>so from live cd it is ok ?
20:42<adb>just try
20:42<Johan>ok tu
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20:45<Johan>thank u "pass 1"
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20:46<Johan>is it slow ?
20:46<Johan>you know i will be your better student
20:47<adb>lasy one ..
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20:48<Johan>what do you recommend to learn
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20:48<adb>nothing , forget windows first ..
20:49<Johan>i know windows 85%-90%
20:49<Johan>from 20 years
20:49<Johan>i know linux 0,486%
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20:50<Johan>i know debian is powerful
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20:51<Johan>the fsck worked
20:52<Johan>put the system won't boot
20:52<Johan>same message
20:52<Johan>run fsck MANUALLY
20:52<Johan>in read only mode blabla
20:52<adb>run it again
20:53<Johan>i am on the way
20:53<Johan>same command line switch ?
20:53<adb>yes, but how many raid has
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20:54<Johan>i think one raid1 with two disks
20:55<Johan>maybe corrupt
20:55<Johan>but don't know
20:55<Johan>i get no such file or directory for /dev/md0
20:55<Johan>with fsck.ext3
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20:56<adb>find it (assemble it) , i dunno, is your machine
20:57<adb>and what you fsck'ed before ?
20:57<Johan>not working anymore
20:57<adb>and worked ?
20:57<Johan>4 passes
20:58<Johan>i don't know this machine
20:58<Johan>first time i get on it
20:58<adb>is not yours ?
20:58<Johan>i did not assemble it
20:59<Johan>so don't know what's in
20:59<Johan>and can't get the commands from debian to work with and manage it
21:00<Johan>it seems the machine or the system doesn't work well
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21:00<adb>but it worked before , you said ..
21:00<Johan>it was working perfect, but no more network and shares disappears
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21:01<adb>maybe a dead machine, no backups ?
21:01<Johan>maybe dead
21:01<Johan>no backup
21:01<Johan>the old it did not manage anything
21:01<Johan>and did not even gave us the password
21:01<Johan>nor config
21:02<adb>say boodbye , and amen
21:02<Johan>or anything
21:02<Johan>i have no info
21:02<Johan>adb: amen
21:02<Johan>i know i have to get the data back
21:03<adb>not this time
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21:03<Johan>maybe i can 1. extract the drives (2) from the machine: there are extractible, but we don't have the key !
21:03<Johan>2. access the data from live cd
21:03<Johan>then ?
21:03<adb>just try
21:04<Johan>from live cd: how
21:04<Johan>terminal or file manager then ?
21:04<Johan>i have errors there
21:04<Johan>when i try to mount drives
21:04<Johan>and i have a lot
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21:06<adb>is your data valuable ?
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21:06<adb>pay a professional ~ 15000 US$ for recovery
21:09<Johan>it's expensive
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21:10<Johan>how do i know if data is ok ?
21:10<Johan>on the raid
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21:15<adb>i'n not a professional ..
21:15<adb> i'm*
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21:26<mtnman>for some reason /dev/audio no longer exists on this system. how can i get it to reappear?
21:28<mtnman>the module snd_ymfpci (driver for my soundcard) is loaded, but seems to be unused.
21:30<adb>what's this system ?
21:30<mtnman>lenny (i386)
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21:32<adb>ls /dev/ | grep audio , says ?
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21:32<mtnman>adb: the file does not exist. file /dev/audio returns: /dev/audio: ERROR: cannot open `/dev/audio' (No such file or directory)
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21:34<adb>remove snd_ymfpci and add it again
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21:34<adb>just a guess ..
21:35<mtnman>same result. nice try.
21:35<adb>mtnman, uptime ?
21:35<mtnman>couple of hours
21:35<mtnman>ok almost six
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21:36<adb>you seen that for the first time ?
21:36<mtnman>sound has not been working since i upgraded from etch to lenny.
21:36<adb>try alsaconf , as root
21:36<mtnman>i read the section in the release notes regarding sound, but none of the advice helps.
21:37<mtnman>adb: have already run alsaconf several times
21:37<mtnman>most recently about 15 mins ago
21:37<adb>lspci -nn | grep audio , or so
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21:37<adb>uname -r , says ?
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21:38<adb>mtnman, ah, upgraded finished ok ?
21:38<mtnman>upgraded months ago, have been w/o sound since.
21:39<adb>so > lspci -nn | grep audio
21:39<mtnman>the card is recognized by lspci. the driver loads, but seems to be unused.
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21:40<mtnman>tried MAKEDEV /dev/audio, but it barfs saying it doesn't know how to do that
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21:40<adb>give us > lspci -nn | grep Audio
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21:41<mtnman>00:0c.0 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: Yamaha Corporation YMF-744B [DS-1S Audio Controller] [1073:0010] (rev 02)
21:42<adb>mtnman, i dunno, sorry
21:43<mtnman>oh well...
21:43<mtnman>maybe i should try #alsa
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21:43<adb>try a reboot , or .#alsa
21:44<mtnman>adb: reboot has not helped. thanks for your effort.
21:45<mtnman>bye for now...
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21:49<mtnman>ok well #alsa doesn't really exist on this network...
21:49<mtnman>am having a problem with sound on a 2.6.26 kernel, debian stable (lenny) system. the module snd_ymfpci and friends are all loaded, snd_ymfpci is unused (according to the output of lsmod), and /dev/audio does not exist, nor does /dev/audio0. how can i get /dev/audio to function properly? i have been w/o sound for a couple of months, since upgrading from etch to lenny.
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21:49<adb>mtnman, it's on
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21:50<mtnman>adb yeah well no one was biting over there either....
21:51<adb>hu ? there are 69 ppl there
21:51<timbul>how to delete routing
21:51<timbul>i was tipe it
21:51<mtnman>yeah well no one responded. i didn't say there was no one on the chan, but that no one responded.
21:52<timbul>i was tiping it
21:52<timbul> UG 0 0 0 eth1
21:52<mtnman>timbul: man route. you'll want something like "route del something or other"
21:52<Sarkofag>yeah yeah
21:53<timbul>route add -net netmask gw
21:53<kop>mtnman: You could try a newer kernel from Maybe there was a regression.
21:53<timbul>but its false
21:53<timbul>i want delete it
21:53<Sarkofag>timbul: why is it false?
21:53<kop>Sarkofag: He means it's the wrong route.
21:54<mtnman>timbul try something like "route del -net"
21:54<timbul>but i dont know how to remove it (comand line)
21:54<timbul>route dell -net netmask gw
21:54<timbul>what its true..?
21:54<Sarkofag>but if you want to delet it why use the ass syntax mtnman ?
21:54<adb>route del* not route dell*
21:55<mtnman>ass syntax?
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21:55<kop>mtnman: Or maybe there's non-free firmware for your hardware. (Just guessing.) and you need something from non-free.
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21:55<Sarkofag>sorry my music was on, wanst able to focus
21:55<mtnman>kop: i doubt it since the soundcard worked fine under etch but fails under lenny.
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21:56<mtnman>kop: nice try but not a good guess... :)
21:56<pipe>'lo guys. I'm writing a script that installs a couple of programs with aptitude, and I would like to know if there is a way to prevent the installed services (in particular openssh-server) to start after they are configured.
21:56<kop>mtnman: How do you know? etch->lenny->squeeze is the timeperiod for removing non-free firmware.
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21:57<Sarkofag>pipe: whats the question?
21:57<mtnman>kop: i didn't see anything about that in the release notes.
21:58<mtnman>kop: there was a section on "sound doesn't work" or similar, and no mention of the possibility of needing any non-free firmware.
21:59<pipe>Sarkofag: How do I prevent services to start automatically after installing them with aptitude?
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21:59<timbul>ok thank U all
21:59<streuner_>mnt: its all a kernel thingie...
21:59<Sarkofag>pipe: try rc.default
21:59<adb>timbul, worked ?
22:00<mtnman>pipe: there are scripts in /etc/init.d/ which you can disable.
22:00<streuner_>mtnman: its all a kernel thingie...
22:00<timbul>ya..., i was doing it
22:00<pipe>mtnman: I can't disable them before they exist :)
22:00<kop>mtnman: Maybe there's no firmware in sound? I've no clue. I do know there are problems with network cards that have arrived with newer kernels due to the establishment of the "non-free firmware policy".
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22:00<mtnman>streuner: no shit. but i'd have figured the release notes for lenny would have mentioned if there was a kernel issue.
22:00<streuner_>firmware arent a problem at all
22:01<streuner_>for soundcards
22:01<Sarkofag>pipe: witch service do you like to disable
22:01<bja>!es-social anarkoso
22:01<dpkg>anarkoso: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
22:01<mtnman>streuner_ i would imagine there would be some mention of it under "sound doesn't work" section of release notes.
22:01<timbul>mtnman : thank U very much
22:01<streuner_>i doubt that
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22:02<mtnman>timbul: you're welcome.
22:02*streuner_ has/had a sound problem, that isnt even in LKML mentioned...
22:03<streuner_>not every problem is mentioned at all everywhere
22:03<Sarkofag>pipe: did you get your shit togher?
22:03<SkriptCiddie>hey, when creating a liveUSB, there
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22:04<pipe>Sarkofag: I don't think you understood the question. I know how to disable services *after* they are installed. Since I install services with aptitude in a chroot environment for future systems that will run on other machines, I can't have services to start automatically.
22:04<pipe>I tried to google for this "rc.default", but can't find any mentioning of it.
22:04<mtnman>streuner_: whatever. you i would rather discuss possible solutions than have a debate about what is possible or not.
22:05<kop>pipe: Looking at /etc/init.d/ssh I see that if /etc/ssh/sshd_not_to_be_run exists then sshd is not run. But I don't see that documented anywhere.... (Which is maybe the subject for a bug report....)
22:05<SkriptCiddie>hey, when creating a liveUSB, there is usually persistence created as well. However, when the persistence corrupts, I end up losing all the updates for the system. Is it somehow possible to create a liveUSB with all the updates without having to manually edit the filesystem.squashfs ?
22:05<pipe>kop: /etc/init.d/ssh nor /etc/default/openssh-server does not exist before it is installed
22:05<pipe>kop: so I can't change the files
22:06<pipe>kop: And as soon as I install the service, it will start automatically before I have a chance to change the files
22:06<kop>pipe: You can create them before it's installed.
22:06<kop>pipe: You might do better with /etc/default/ssh and create an ssh command line option that tells it to listen only on localhost. That'd be supported for sure.
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22:06<mtnman>kop: but when they are replaced at installation they will take on new characteristics.
22:06<streuner_>mtnman: just google for an solution in ALSA (default), if you cannot fix it, just use another soundsystem then
22:07<adb>pipe, witch services you are talking ?
22:07<SkriptCiddie>maybe update a installed VMware and then create a liveUSB from that?
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22:07<Sarkofag>pipe: so I dont realy understand your problem... priv me if you have a problem
22:07<pipe>adb: any service
22:07<mtnman>streuner_ thanks for pointing me to the obvious (which i have tried and am continuing to try)
22:07<kop>mtnman: Nope. apt does not replace config files. Or at least that's what I'm thinking it says in policy. I could be wrong.
22:07<streuner_>mtnman: laptop?
22:08<mtnman>kop: you could be correct on that one. probably so.
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22:08*Sarkofag np 01-crying_freemen_-_odyssey_2009_polypheme_rmx-mycel
22:08<streuner_>mntman: well, if you using not a laptop, just change the hardware
22:08<mtnman>streuner yeah toshiba
22:08<Sarkofag>wrong chan
22:08<streuner_>mtnman: dont say your are using a L40 :-P
22:08<mtnman>no its an old p3 satelite pro
22:09<streuner_>mtnman: Satellite Pro l40
22:09<streuner_>well, it seems its the same...
22:09<streuner_>mtnman: intel?
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22:09<mtnman>i just said p3. that implies intel
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22:10<kop>pipe: What does happen is debconf will ask about using the existing vs the packaged config files. You will need to set (man 7 debconf) the frontend so it does not ask.
22:10<streuner_>mtnman: the important thing is the chipset of your soundcard...
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22:10<pipe>kop: thanks, I'll look in to that
22:10<adb>pipe, hm , 'any' .. thous 'any' services will fail to start on chroot , so just ignore them
22:11<mtnman>streuner_ well i gave you the output of lspci, so... you should already know that it is a yamaha.
22:11<pipe>adb: No, they won't fail to start. They do start, and they try to open up sockets and listen to the network and other pointless and dangerous things :)
22:11<adb>pipe, witch one ?
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22:12<kop>pipe: I find your question interesting though -- as to how to prevent startup in the general case.
22:12<adb>pipe, chroot has no kernel and so ...
22:13<streuner__>mtnman: show us the output of that chipset
22:13<pipe>kop: thanks, you seem to be the only one that understands what I'm talking about :P
22:13<mtnman>streuner do you mean the output of lspci?
22:13<streuner__>mtnman: well, forget that
22:13<streuner__>mtnman: snd_hda_intel supports lots of chipsets...
22:14<mtnman>streuner this is the correct module for this card.
22:14<kop>pipe: You could hack it. Put in a firewall rule that blocks traffic, install, stop services etc., and undo thefirewall rule. But that sounds klugey.
22:14<streuner__>mtnman: but that doesnt mean it works...
22:14<pipe>kop: I do have a firewall, it's not a big issue if it starts, but I am a bit pedantic and I want my scripts to be clean..
22:14<streuner__>mtnman: OSS4 is in testing...
22:14<Sarkofag>kop: lol
22:14<streuner__>just try this soundsystem
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22:15<mtnman>streuner thanks anyway but i'm not sure you are able to help me.
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22:15<Sarkofag>mtnman: whats the trubble?
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22:16<streuner__>his sound doesnt work
22:16<mtnman>am having a problem with sound on a 2.6.26 kernel, debian stable (lenny) system. the module snd_ymfpci and friends are all loaded, snd_ymfpci is unused (according to the output of lsmod), and /dev/audio does not exist, nor does /dev/audio0. how can i get /dev/audio to function properly? i have been w/o sound for a couple of months, since upgrading from etch to lenny.
22:16<streuner__>he surely try snd_hda_intel, but it fails
22:17<Sarkofag>well sorry thats not my pice of pie mtnman
22:17<Sarkofag>but lock in the logs mtnman
22:18<streuner__>mtnman: just try OSS4, its in testing
22:18<kop>pipe: You might find the answer in the debian policy manual. (Perhaps if you've already an, say, rc2.d K00foo entry then invoke-rc.d won't make a S00foo.
22:18<mtnman>streuner_ yeah well this is a lenny system and i'm not upgrading to squeeze.
22:18<streuner__>mtnman: /msg dpkg backports
22:19<mtnman>streuner i really don't want to run testing software on this box.
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22:20<kop>pipe: Cool. I thought there'd be a sane approach.
22:20<streuner__>well, just run that box without sound, good luck :-)
22:20<mtnman>streuner thanks for whatever it is that you have given to me.
22:20<streuner__>a laptop without sound? makes no sense to me...
22:21<kop>mtnman: Backports aren't testing, although they aren't entirely offical either.
22:21<mtnman>kop i would prefer to keep this box pure stable.
22:21<streuner__>its a laptop, not more or less...
22:21<mtnman>kop the code he mentioned in backports is from testing.
22:22<streuner__>not a production server or whatever
22:22<mtnman>thus, not stable.
22:22<kop>mtnman: One of these days backports will be integrated into debian proper.
22:22<streuner__>mtnman: in order to make a laptop work, use whatever you get...
22:22<mtnman>kop: one of these days a lot of things will happen.
22:22<kop>mtnman: The code I mentioned, the kernel, is not. In any case it does not matter where it's from, it's backported to stable and thus incorporated.
22:23<mtnman>but it is not officially stable. has not gone thru the process.
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22:24<adb>this sound doesnt ..sound officially stable
22:24<kop>mtnman: Yes. But, or so I hear, now that snapshots are live backports will be soon. It's not as if somebody flips a switch. The whole process has to be in place and working for a while before it becomes offical.
22:24<mtnman>will be _ne_ is.
22:25<mtnman>i don't want to have a debate about what is what stable vs. testing, etc.
22:26<kop>mtnman: Yes. If you've particular questions or concerns about what's lacking that you feel you need then there's probably somewhere, like here, to ask. Otherwise I'm pointing out that it's available and works for many.
22:26<pipe>stable is where you keep your horses
22:26<Johan>which live cd can I use to read data and copy from disks
22:26<st>where the per-user keyboard layout configuration is stored in debian?
22:27<pipe>Johan: I always use an ubuntu live cd, although I cannot officially recommend that in the #debian channel :)
22:27<kop>Johan: About any. Although this is a debian channel so we'd recommend debian. If you have more specific requirements we might be able to comment.
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22:28<Johan>kop: lenny ?
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22:28<kop>Johan: Sure.
22:28<Johan>kop: where do I find it ?
22:29<kop>Johan: The thing about the live cds is that if the software you need isn't on the cd you just install it.
22:29<kop>!tell Johan about debian live
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22:30<Johan>gnome or kde ?
22:31<pipe>whatever you like
22:31<Johan>what's the diff ?
22:31<pipe>if you don't know, pick gnome
22:31<bja>Johan: go for gnome you'll find out later
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22:32<kop>pipe: man update-rc.d If the link exists it won't be overwritten, so you could just frob the start/stop config before you install the package. You're going to have to anyway I presume.
22:32<st>and btw does debian support truetype hinting&
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22:37<adb>!seen enouf
22:37<dpkg>i haven't seen 'enouf', adb
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22:37<Johan>bja: gnome will boot the computer and give me a gui to open files and copy from a volume to another ?
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22:38<pipe>Johan: yes
22:38<kop>Johan: Yes. I think so. I'm not sure if it comes with ntfs support built-in or not. What sort of file systems are you copying from/to?
22:39<kop>Johan: It _probably_ will access any sort of filesystem you're likely to have....
22:39<Johan>thanks: from ext3 file system (raid 1) to fat32 usb key
22:40<pipe>do you know how to set up the raid?
22:40<kop>Johan: I'd bet you won't have a problem, not with the filesystems.
22:40<Johan>do i need to set up the raid ?
22:40<pipe>maybe, maybe not
22:40<kop>Johan: No. Raid 1 is mirroring.
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22:41<pipe>ah, of course :)
22:41<Johan>kop: ok
22:41<kop>Johan: So if it sees only one disk it won't matter.
22:41<Johan>disk are independent
22:41<Johan>i see both disk with a recovery program (r-linux) but it only recover, not accessing the files
22:41<kop>Johan: (Unless it's some funky hardware raid or something that does something strange.)
22:42<pipe>hardware raid would hopefully just show up as a single device
22:42<kop>Johan: You writing to the raid1?
22:43<kop>Johan: I don't know about writing to only one of the mirrored disks, what would happen to bring them back in sync.
22:43<Johan>kop: no only reading from, because my system disk is down
22:43<Johan>i don't know how to bring them back in sync i am sure they are
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22:43<kop>Johan: Sounds like it will work.
22:44<Johan>live cd is burning
22:44<kop>Johan: They'd get out of sync if you wrote to one.
22:44<Johan>i see, but the recovery program see both
22:44<kop>Johan: They should be identical.
22:44<Johan>maybe it's normal behaviour
22:44<Johan>they seems to be
22:44<kop>Johan: Yes, until you turn on the raid and they become one disk.
22:45<Johan>kop: how to turn the raid on ?
22:45<Johan>live cd almost burnt
22:46<kop>Johan: I don't know. (You don't need to to read from the disks.) Probably something like "mdadm -A md0 hda hdb" but I could be completely wrong.
22:46<kop>Johan: All I know is you use the mdadm command.
22:48<kop>Johan: maybe "mdadm --auto-detect" will automagically make it work.
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22:51<canaima>amigos necesito convertir un libro .pdf en texto para palm .pdb, como se puede hacer eso en debian??
22:52<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
22:52<canaima>ya intente abrirlo con el openoffice y no lo hace
22:52<bja>!es-social canaima
22:52<dpkg>canaima: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
22:52<Johan>kop: the live cd is booting ok, but i don't see the drives except in g-parted
22:52<canaima>sorry, don-t see
22:52<Johan>how come
22:52<Johan>kop: do I have to mount something?
22:53<canaima>please, i need concert a ebook .pdf into .pdb
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22:53<Johan>kop: in front of the partition, it shows raid
22:53<Johan>how to explore it ?
22:53<canaima>i try with OOo 3.0 but don't do it
22:53<canaima>i'm using debian lenny
22:53<bja>canaima: libpalm-perl
22:54<canaima>aptitude install libpalm-perl ???
22:54<kop>Johan: It does not mount the partitions?
22:54<bja>canaima: txt2pdbdoc
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22:54<bja>canaima: First look what does are, i recommendt the txt2pdbdoc
22:54<canaima>bja, is not a .txt, it's a .pdf
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22:55<canaima>i need pdf 2 pdb converter
22:55<bja>canaima: if i recall correctly pdf files could be opened on the palm
22:55<pipe>isn't pdb much too limited to keep pdf formatting?
22:55<pipe>I can't remember how pdb files look like
22:55<bja>afaik yes
22:55<Johan>kop: no :(
22:56<canaima>bja it's an alcatel cell phone and no recognize pdf format
22:56<canaima>manual say only .txt and .pdb
22:57<bja>sorry can't help you there
22:58<Johan>how do you mount a partition ? is it safe if it is raid 1 ?
22:58<pipe>mount -o ro /dev/partition /mountpoint
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22:59<pipe>that will mount it read-only, so it should be safe
22:59<Johan>pipe: mountpoint has to be something ?
22:59<pipe>mountpoint is any empty directory
22:59<pipe>try /mnt
22:59<Johan>will it create a directory ??
22:59<Johan>do I have to ?
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22:59<pipe>no, mount will not create a directory, you will have to, or use one
23:00<titan8990>you can create a new directory if a suitable one does not exist
23:00<bja>canaima: You might also try #debian-es on freenode, there are more people there
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23:00<pipe>it would be very very convenient *if* mount could be told to create the mountpoint and then delete it when you umount it
23:00<Johan>I create it where do I need space to create or is a virtual folder ?
23:00<canaima>bja, tx, i'm joining there
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23:01<pipe>Johan: an empty folder won't take any room
23:01<Johan>i see
23:01<Johan>how the system "knows" where the folder is ?
23:01<pipe>(I lied, but in practice I'm right)
23:02<bja>canaima: good luck
23:03<canaima>thank's a lot
23:04<Johan>pipe: I get: unknown file system type mdraid
23:04<pipe>Johan: I don't know anything about that, sorry
23:06<st>(1) where the per-user keyboard layout configuration is stored in debian?
23:06<st>(2) does debian support truetype hinting&
23:06<aryo>i can not use chat/mesenger with pidgin or kopete
23:07<eightyeight>Johan: what command did you issue?
23:07<aryo>is errorrrr
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23:07<kop>Johan: Try "mdadm --auto-detect"
23:07<aryo>when use bonjour account
23:07<aryo>its report
23:07<aryo>Segmentation fault
23:08<aryo>what its mean..?
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23:08<pipe>aryo: it means that you use too many lines for your questions
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23:09<aryo>i just use 3 letter like "tes", but still error
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23:10<aryo>the pidgin automatic turn off (close), after send
23:10<pipe>aryo: what debian version do you use?
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23:10<aryo>yes i use .deb
23:10<pipe>ok good
23:11<pipe>I thought you used .tar
23:11<aryo>in ubuntu karmic
23:11<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
23:11<aryo>automatic install from repo
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23:13<Johan>pipe: it mounted correct, but where do i find it ??
23:13<pipe>Johan: it's available at the point where you mounted it
23:13<Johan>pipe: I did /mnt, and created a mnt folder on the desktop but nothing in it
23:14<pipe>Johan: what do you mean by "I did /mnt"
23:15<Johan>mount -t ext3 -o ro /dev/sdb3 /mnt
23:15<eightyeight>Johan: did you mount it to /mnt or to the mnt folder on your desktop?
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23:15<eightyeight>then it's available in /mnt
23:15<pipe>Johan: what happens if you type "ls -a /mnt" in a terminal?
23:16-!-mode/#debian [+l 399] by debhelper
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23:18<Johan>pipe: i get two folders: backup-manager and lost+found
23:18<pipe>Johan: is that what you expected to be on your disk?
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23:19<Johan>pipe: no :(((((
23:19<Johan>there isn't simple way to mount it with a live cd ?
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23:21<eightyeight>Johan: that depends on the live cd
23:22<pipe>Johan: Why is this even a debian problem? it sounds like you're doing things that you have no idea about, and that you should ask the person that set your system up
23:23<kop>pipe: It does not have to be a debian problem if he's using debian.
23:24<kop>Johan: Maybe that's not the right partition.
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23:25<kop>Johan: It's a little late, but I have always used either rescue mode (which you don't seem to want to use) of a debian install cd or used knoppix. Both auto-mount and just seem to do the right thing.
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23:26*ml| really like grml :)
23:27<Johan>kop: rescue mode did not work at all and the system won't boot anymore
23:27<Johan>I'm sure it has to do with the hdd, maybe corrupt
23:27<Johan>to change password, it was a pain and doesn't work
23:27<eightyeight>Johan: rescue mode is for fixing boot problem, unless it's a hardware problem
23:27<Johan>I just figure out thaht I could see the data on the drive with debian live cd
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23:28<Johan>now I know where the data are, from the raid
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23:29<Johan>when I use the command cp-r /mnt/xxx/xxxx USB_KEY I get "insufficient space"
23:29<Johan>I don't know how to set up USB key as destination
23:29<Johan>the usb is empty, 16gb
23:30<eightyeight>Johan: is the usb key mounted?
23:31<Johan>i see it in "computer" but don't know its name
23:31<Johan>how to check if it is mounted
23:33<Johan>i see it as /dev/sdd1
23:33<Johan>so the command to copy from the raid would be: cp -r /mnt/xxx/xxx /dev/sdd1 ?
23:33<Johan>and I will copy everything to the key ?
23:35<rudi_s>Johan: /dev/sdd1 is the device, the question where is it mounted? /dev/sdd1 on /.. ; you must run cp -r your-files-here /... where /... is the directory displayed in mount for sdbb1
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23:36<eightyeight>Johan: curious, but if you don't know what you're doing, why are you tasked with doing it?
23:36<Johan>eightyeight: I am learning, I don't know linux
23:37<dr|z3d>Johan: Read any beginners' guides?
23:37<Johan>is the -r will copy every files and folders ?
23:37<dr|z3d>Any background reading?
23:37<rudi_s>Yes, -r is recursive.
23:37<kop>Johan: You might be better served by telling us what it is your trying to accomplish. If you want to backup your files copying them to a vfat filesystem will lose information like permissions and ownership.
23:38<Johan>dr|z3d: I get the mission before I can read any resources
23:38<dr|z3d>Johan: So you see us as your own personal google? Not ideal :)
23:39<Johan>dr|z3d: I spent 3/4 hours in google and was blocked and eveything screwed up
23:39<dr|z3d>You'll find actually reading around subjects before you dive into support channels not only instructive, but also time saving, and you'll gain more respect when you _do_ have genuine questions that have no easy answers online.
23:40<dr|z3d>What kind of excuse is that?
23:41<dr|z3d>!fgi Johan howto+mount+usb+drive+in+linux
23:41<Johan>dpkg: thanks
23:41<dpkg>de rien, Johan
23:42<kop>Johan: dpkg is a bot, a program.
23:42<Johan>kop: I see, but thanks anyway
23:42<dr|z3d>Another thing to note, really, is that Debian isn't a spoonfed os. It's an OS that demands you actually take some initiative. If you want spoonfed, Ubuntu is your man! :)
23:43<dr|z3d>Problem solving is the biggest skill we can teach you here :)
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23:43<Johan>actually I did not choose the distribution, because the server IS debian
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23:44<eightyeight>which was why my last question was asked. it sounds to me like you've been tasked this from your employer, and i don't understand why a boss would give a subordinate something they are not qualified to handle
23:44<st>(1) where the per-user keyboard layout configuration is stored in debian?
23:44<st>(2) does debian support truetype hinting&
23:46<dr|z3d>1) google is your friend 2) debian supports sub-pixel antialiasing and yes, it should also support hinting where the fontface supplies hinting data.
23:47<Johan>eightyeight: you are pretty right, but we didn't choose. we had this debian server and had to manage it, because it fails today and no one can handle it because the IT has gone and did not event let us the password or config or cd. nothing.
23:47<Johan>I just figured out that data was not on the mirrored disk, but on a poor sata drive
23:47<dr|z3d>Johan: Then format the drive and install and OS you can all manage, perhaps?
23:48<Johan>of course we wil, but we need the data back
23:48<dr|z3d>Debian doesn't sound like it's going to be friends with the office.
23:48<dr|z3d>How about ftp?
23:48<Johan>the network interface seems dead
23:49<adb>on the live cd ?
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23:49<Johan>don't know
23:49<Johan>how do I tell ?
23:49<Johan>the raid seems dead
23:49<dr|z3d>Open a browser.
23:49<adb>ping google
23:49<dr|z3d>Open a terminal. Ping something.
23:50<Johan>no link on the card
23:50<adb>add the net cable
23:50<Johan>changed the cable
23:50<Johan>change the router port
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23:50<Johan>changed the switch port
23:50<Johan>used the network cable of the other server
23:50<Johan>not working
23:50<adb>changed the owner
23:51<Johan>it is 5.54 in the morning here
23:51<adb> on the live cd ?
23:51<dr|z3d>Step one. Unplug server. Step 2. Open window. Step 3, Evict server out of office via window. Step 4. Lunch!
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23:51<st>where the per-user keyboard layout configuration is stored in debian?
23:52<dr|z3d>st: Did you run a google query in the last 5 minutes?
23:52<st>i did
23:52<dr|z3d>What query did you submit? What terms did you try?
23:52<st>and found nothing relevant, which is kinda obvious
23:53<st>'debian keyboard layout configuration'
23:53<Johan>adb: not working
23:53<Johan>is the cp command asynchronous
23:53<dr|z3d>!fgi st setting+keyboard+layout+linux+howto
23:54<Johan>I mean: is it working as I can type thing in the terminal window
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23:58<st>so how's that is relevant to my question?
23:58<dr|z3d>If you have to ask, you really shouldn't be here.
23:59<dr|z3d>We can't actually read stuff for you.
23:59<dr|z3d>And if you're not prepared to do it yourself, what point trying to help you?
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