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---Logopened Wed Apr 14 00:00:03 2010
00:00<dr|z3d>And another thing. Drop that arrogant sense of entitlement if you want help. Humility works _much_ better. :)
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00:01<Johan>I thank you everyone
00:01<Johan>I learned a lot with you
00:01<Johan>I now know that I am not ready to admin linux server
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00:04<st>i believe you're forgetting yourself. still, there's nothing pertaining to my question on the first 3 result pages
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00:05<dr|z3d>First result: The linux keyboard and console howto.
00:06<dr|z3d>Second result: How to set US Keyboard (Debian Etch).
00:07<dr|z3d>Obviously if you totally ignore all the results on the page, you'll find nothing pertinent to your question.
00:07<Johan>is there a "debian for dummies" ?
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00:07<dr|z3d>Johan: *cough*
00:08<dr|z3d>If there is, Amazon will be selling it..
00:08<Johan>where are u from
00:08<st>i have no interest in console, i'm working in X
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00:09<st>second result is an unanswered question
00:09<dr|z3d>keyboard _and_ console.
00:09<st>troll harder
00:10<dr|z3d>No, I'm not trolling at all. You're just being lazy and arrogant in looking for spoonfeeding,. Take some initiative. With the resuts google furnished you, I could fix your issue. Why can't you?
00:11<dr|z3d>Your entire attitude smacks of pompous expectation.
00:12<dr|z3d>If you're not prepared to fish, don't expect us to provide tinned tuna. Ok?
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00:12<adb>st, here the troll is you, not an old contributor to the channel
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00:15<st>fix my issue? i asked the question
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00:16<st>i don't interest in console keyboard setups, in global system setup, I want to know where the per-data settings are stored
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00:16<johnfg>hi guys
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00:16<st>i don't need useless tutorials about editing xorg.conf etc
00:17<johnfg>failure, 3x endeavoring to upgrade and/or install squeeze. So, I'm back to lenny, and will happily stay here until the next release.
00:17<johnfg>Just wondered, is flashplayer-mozilla no longer available?
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00:18<johnfg>I've added the repo, the key, did aptitude update, but it's not there. Onlyflashplugin-nonfree-extrasound.
00:18<ml|>johnfg: you need to instaall that from bpo
00:19<ml|>and it's under another name
00:19<ml|>johnfg: /msg dpkg adobe flash
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00:21<dr|z3d>st: What you need is to learn how to filter search results, find the relevent data, and utilize it. Like I said, the results google furnished from my query allow me to resolve your issue. so why not you? I can only assume you look at the page title, erroneously assume it has nothing to offer you, and ignore the page. How about actually digging into the pages and finding the information? I can *guarantee* it's there, but I'm not going to hol
00:21<johnfg>ml|, So, it's not in the multimedia sources anymore?
00:22<st>is it very eloquent way to say "I have no idea"?
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00:22<ml|>johnfg: well, you can install it from there if you want, but that's a different package as /msg dpkg adobe explains
00:23<johnfg>ml|, I just read the msg, and it says that it *is* in the multimedia repo. Well if it is, I'm not finding it.
00:23<dr|z3d>st: No, it's a very concise way to say, "use your brain, work with what you've been offered, and don't assume that results will smack you in the face just by casting an eye over the summaries"
00:24<dr|z3d>If you want spoonfeeding, try another OS.
00:24<johnfg>I have this line in sources.list deb lenny main
00:25<johnfg>but after the update, it still isn't found. Is the dpkg message out of date?
00:25<ml|>johnfg: either package will work and please read the msg again and dmm added non-free for flash and a few other non-free things not long ago; so add non-free to your dmm line and aptitude update and try again
00:26<johnfg>ok, the non-free thing will probably get it. Not spoon-feeding, but close. Thanks!
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00:27<johnfg>I did the whole install of the latest testing release *twice*, and both times I could neither login as anyone, root or user, and the partition for /home wasn't there either.
00:27<johnfg>That's why I'm back to lenny.
00:27<ml|>johnfg: did you use testing installer?
00:28<johnfg>I used whatever was on the testing dvd. I've got flashplayer-mozilla now. Thanks again!
00:29<ml|>johnfg: that was your problem; why not use lenny installer and them move to testing if you like?
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00:31<johnfg>Because I don't know how to use the lenny installer to install testing?
00:31<yagoo>johbo, lenny is not testing
00:31<johnfg>ml|, Why doesn't it say that on the testing dvd.
00:31<yagoo>johnfg, ^^
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00:32<eightyeight>johnfg: you can install testing from the lenny installer, just by using the expert installer
00:32<ml|>dpkg: testing
00:32<dpkg>Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers.
00:32<eightyeight>you can even install sid with the lenny installer
00:32<ml|>johnfg: because of that^ should be a bit obvious I would think
00:33<ml|>I would just install lenny and follow /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze
00:34<johnfg>I never thought about it, seems a little bit counter intuitive. Wouldn't you think and expect the testing dvd which has an installer to work?
00:34<ml|>it's for people to test and file bug reports
00:34<sney>everything in testing is a work in progress. sometimes that means things are broken, and sometimes those things are the installer.
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00:35<johnfg>So what do I do if I wanted to use the lenny installer? boot from the lenny dvd, choose expert, and then it will let me choose either that #1 dvd.iso, or some other image?
00:36<ml|>never done it, but you have another option above
00:36<johnfg>ml|, Because I messed up the lenny > squeeze earlier, about a week ago, due in part to dpkg being in Las Vegas, I'm a bit leary to try it that way again.
00:37<ml|>johnfg: maybe the install guide explins it /msg dpkg ig
00:37<johnfg>A bunch of stuff didn't work by the time I was done.
00:38<ml|>well, all I can say is that has worked for a lot of people, maybe try again?
00:38<johnfg>Well, regardless, I sure like lenny, which means I sure like debian.
00:38<ml|>enjoy! :)
00:38<johnfg>Why I was going to jump into testing was due to a lack in the version of openldap we have.
00:39<johnfg>It doesn't allow some gssapi stuff that I wanted to do.
00:39<johnfg>I could see about doing a backports thing, which I've never done before, either.
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00:40<ml|>yes, that or backport it yourself /msg dpkg ssb ; does not work for all things tho
00:41<ml|>if it's for a server you want stable anyways
00:42<johnfg>Yes it is for a server. The gssapi function allows for sso from a client.
00:43<johnfg>I can still do kerberos authentication without the gssapi in openldap, but not sso.
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00:52<Mark>hey, who can tell me whom i am talking to
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00:55<st>where does the per-user keyboard layout preferences for X applications is stored in debian?
00:55<johnfg>You're talking to the party to whom you are speaking.
00:55<eightyeight>st: a number of files, usually in their home dir
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00:56<sney>for all his effort, that Mark guy then ended a sentence with a preposition
00:56<sney>I bet he committed seppuku over his failure
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01:10<johnfg>A preposition is something you should never end a sentence with!
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01:18<johnfg>OK, see ya guys, off to hit the hay.
01:19<johnfg>Thanks for the help ml| et al.
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01:32<aryo>i was routing with this comand route add –net netmask gw
01:33<aryo>and succes
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01:33<aryo>but after restart, this route is not there (wipe)
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01:38<jm_>that's normal
01:39<jm_>because it's not stored anywhere, you only updated run-time routing table
01:39<aryo>so i must always run this comand every after restart
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01:40<jm_>well a more optiomal solution would be to find out why you need to manually add it
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01:48<s4br3>Hi, Im running out of space on my / partition. Is there a way I could reinstall some large apps (eg Nexuiz) on some other specified partition, eg /home?
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01:58<dondelelcaro>s4br3: not easily, but you could symlink bits of / into /home or some other partition
01:58<sney>or migrate a traditional space hog like /var to a different volume
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02:02<s4br3>dondelelcaro: could I symlink an entire directory structure automagically, eg with -R ?
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02:18<jm_>s4br3: the point is you don't have to do that, you symlink a top dir so all is automatically found in new location
02:20<ts2>first time to use xchat
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02:21<jm_>bind mounts can also be used to achieve a similar effect
02:22<s4br3>jmho_: thanks. I had not heard of bind mounts. Need to look into that. Thanks
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02:23<aryo>jm_ : how to configure manaually..?
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02:24<jm_>aryo: how is your NIC configured?
02:25<jm_>aryo: and what's your netmask? why do you need a separate route?
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02:25<aryo>i use 2 modem
02:25<jm_>how can you answer a question like "how is your NIC configured?" with "eth1"?
02:26<jm_>ok so what is your target goal?
02:27<aryo>sorry.., my english is bad
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02:36<ant>how can i find out if my debian uses ipv6? and if so how can i disable that, besides modifying the aliases-file?
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02:37<jm_>ant: start by checking if any interfaces are configred for it at all
02:38<amitz>assume debian lenny, you can blacklist ipv6.
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02:38<amitz>in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
02:38<ant>interfaces have a ipv6 address, so i guess theyre configured for it... ok i give the blacklisting a try, thx
02:39<ant>oh i just saw that i already blacklisted it...
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02:42<ant>maybe its a problem with my kernel, maybe the guy included it already in the kernel... but thx anyway guys :)
02:42<jm_>probbly the easiest way is to simply not configure it if you don't want it
02:42<ant>okay i try thx :)
02:43<dpkg>[noipv6] To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo "install ipv6 /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for the changes to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option "ipv6.disable=1" to your bootloader.
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02:52<ant>thx, the bootline option did the trick :)
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04:12<dbldtx>night all.
04:12<dbldtx>I look forward to using debian from now on.
04:12<dbldtx>Just installed squeeze from netinst on a BRAND new computer
04:12<dbldtx>that came in this morning.
04:13<dbldtx>Haven't had a desktop since 2005 - been laptops for so long.
04:13<dbldtx>I am the happiest man on earth and debian is my inspiration
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04:13<ant>dbldtx hope you'll enjoy your debian ;)
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04:50<nathan>hi, i have downloaded the last debian testing 504 and the kernel is a 2.6.32-trunk-686. I don't know what the 'trunk' mean and i don't find a linux-headers for this kernel.
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04:51<dpkg>trunk is, like, a term from version control systems such as <cvs>, <svn> and <git>. The "trunk" can often be thought of as a developer's playground and the stability (or otherwise) of the code there varies from project to project. . See also <kernel abi>.
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04:51<jm_>!trunk kernel
04:51<dpkg>Debian kernel snapshot packages are not available from due to a UPS failure. Ask me about <kernel package> instead, see also . #debian-kernel on <kernel abi>
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05:06<gre>Hi , I need to upgrade ImageMagick from 6.3 to version 6.4 (MagickWand-2 error), apt-get upgrade ImageMagick keeps the old version, how to get another package ?
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05:06<azeem>gre: what's the bug number?
05:07<gre>i's a script error ImagickException
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05:07<gre>'Wand contains no images `MagickWand-2'
05:08<azeem>where do you have this script from?
05:08<gre>imageick installed from pecl
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05:08<gre>The script works fine on serveral machines, our devs are pro
05:09<bo>apt-get try to install java get: E: Package sun-java5-jre has no installation candidate i am stuck...
05:11<gre>Anyway, How to get a newer package if it exists with apt-get ?
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05:12<azeem>gre: well, 6.4 is not available
05:12<azeem>gre: you can try to backport the 6.6 package from testing
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05:13<gre>ok, how do I do it ?
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05:14<azeem>gre: /msg dpkg ssb
05:14<gsimmons>bo: Which version of Debian are you using?
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05:15<bo>well it is an vps... 64 bit so far i know.. but where can i look to see ?
05:15<gsimmons>dpkg: tell bo -about version
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05:19<bo>gsimmsons: version 5.0.4
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05:20<gsimmons>bo: sun-java5-jre is in non-free, add non-free sources to your /etc/apt/sources.list ; /msg dpkg non-free sources
05:22<bo>gsimmons: i start to understand... but what should i add there ?
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05:25<gre>azeem: sorry, don't understand what you mean.
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05:26<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
05:26<gsimmons>dpkg: tell bo -about non-free sources
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05:33<tertitten>what is the best practice to dualboot two linux installations ? I'
05:33<tertitten>I would like to have one debian, and one ubuntu isntall and dual boot them
05:34<bo>gsimmons: i have added non-free as option ... now it is installing..
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05:38<the_game>anyone know about bind9
05:39<gre>azeem: shouldn't this work ? -> apt-get install imagemagick/unstable
05:40<gre>or apt-get install imagemagick/sid
05:40<azeem>do you have any idea what "unstable" means?
05:40<azeem>you said your devs were pros, I think they appreciate not getting their boxen messed up
05:41<gre>well probably not well enough ;)
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05:43<gre>azzem: well internaly devs and admins are not the same at our end. And I'm who I am, triyng to resolve an issue, bevor pushing it to the the admins. But thanks for your time, was very kind.
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05:49<gre>I'll try again. to get ImageMagick 6.6 from testing, what do I have to do, is there a apt-get command, can't be so complicated?
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05:49<azeem>gre: the proper way is to use a backport
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05:49<locklace>aptitude install imagemagick
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05:50<streuner__>judd, versions imagemagick
05:50<judd>imagemagick -- etch: 7:; etch-security: 7:; etch-backports: 7:; lenny: 7:; lenny-security: 7:; sid: 7:; squeeze: 7:
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05:51<gre>so aptitude is the port, thank. Which version would you recommand ?
05:51<azeem>the port?
05:51<themill>That's going to be anything *but* a simple backport.
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05:52<gre>I guess this as ment to be a command : aptitude install imagemagick
05:52<dpkg>i guess backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), Ask me about <> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
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05:53<streuner__>if you running lenny/stable you'll need <ssb>
05:53<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
05:53<azeem>11:51 < themill> That's going to be anything *but* a simple backport.
05:53<themill>azeem: emacs22-nox, on the other hand, *is* a simple backport :)
05:54<gre>All right. Thanks, I get the picture. I will push it to the Admins. ;)
05:54<themill>gre: perhaps the better question would be -- do you really need imagemagick 6.6?
05:55<azeem>11:08 < gre> The script works fine on serveral machines, our devs are pro
05:55<gre>Yes, I understand. The devs consider ImageMagick one of the secure choises. Would you disagree ?
05:56<azeem>choices for what?
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05:56<gre>do do a image conversion job in PHP
05:56<themill>gre: imagemagick doesn't change that much, so there's a good chance that imagemagick 6.3 that is already in stable will work fine.
05:56<azeem>eh, secure and php in the same sentence?
05:56<themill>and imagemagick....
05:56<themill>,versions php5-imagick
05:57<judd>php5-imagick -- etch: 0.9.11+1-4.1; lenny: 2.1.1RC1-1; sid: 2.1.1RC1-1+b1
05:57<themill>(RC buggy, not in squeeze)
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05:58<gre>Should this lead into a discussion about PHP ?
05:59<gre>themill: php-imagick is installed; phpinfo shows it as well in place, php finds the class, this is the problem.
05:59<azeem>php doesn't find the class?
06:00<gre>it does find the class
06:00*themill can't find the problem
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06:01<gre>The PHP fatal error is about 'Wand contains no images `MagickWand-2'
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06:02<gre>So, someone describes somewhere similar problem linked to a version proplem of ImageMagick.
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06:03<gre>means ?
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06:04<azeem>sounds fishy, or something
06:04<azeem>where do you have this "Wand" thing from?
06:04<gre>You think so.
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06:05<gre>You might srceem now, but is it possbile that Plesk could lead to a problem of that sort ?
06:05<slush>Who knows why the java plugin in iceweasel isn't working properly, I've been testing several cases, but nothing seems to work
06:05<azeem>gre: dunno
06:05<azeem>12:04 < azeem> where do you have this "Wand" thing from?
06:05<azeem>!java networking
06:06<gre>That's the php error
06:06<avu>gre, plesk could lead to just about any problem imaginable
06:07<azeem>gre: eh waht?
06:07<azeem>I'm asking what this "Wand" thing is
06:07<azeem>is it a Debian package?
06:07<themill>slush: in what way does it not work properly? Which java plugin? which version of debian?
06:07<azeem>is it a standard PHP module?
06:07<gre>ah, now I understand your quetion.
06:08<gre>I think it is part of the php5-imagick install
06:08<gre>Hat the same problem once when istalling on macport
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06:08<azeem>well, if you install everything from lenny, I doubt you'll problems
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06:09<ant>debian sucks! :)
06:09<gre>There the problem was resolved when pecl install imagick had the right prefix at prompt
06:09<slush>themill: stable & testing, plugin version 1.6.0_16
06:10<slush>themill: testing on site for instance
06:10<themill>dpkg: tell slush about java ipv6
06:11<ant>no just kiddin
06:11<themill>slush: for squeeze, what dpkg told you is likely to be the problem, but that is not a problem in lenny. That plugin version is also not in lenny.
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06:13<slush>oh, I'll check the lenny install again then
06:14<slush>and i'll test on squeeze what dpkg told me
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06:15<themill>gre: according to, the imagemagick version in lenny should work just fine although they don't seem very confident about what imagemagick versions do and don't work. You might do better to see if they have some mailing lists or forums to help you as it sounds like you've not correctly compiled this extension.
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06:17<gre>themill: thank you. I'll work with this information.
06:18<azeem>gre: what is "pecl install imagick"?
06:19<themill>azeem: think cpan but for php modules with an even wider variation in quality. (i.e. run and hide)
06:19<gre>it replaces the apt-get php5-imagick
06:19<azeem>gre: ok, then you're not supported here
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06:21<azeem>because you replaced php5-imagick with something unsupported
06:21<azeem>ask whoever provided your php5-imagick for support
06:21<gre>I replaced it because with php5-imagick the class was not found.
06:22<azeem>12:08 < azeem> well, if you install everything from lenny, I doubt you'll problems
06:22<azeem>we could've tried to help you with the class not found problem
06:22<azeem>we can't help you with 3rd party stuff
06:22<gre>I can go back to php5imagick and try to resolve the class not found issue, if this would be more promising
06:22<gre>Ah ok, then...
06:23<azeem>it would help if you could tell us which class was not found
06:24<gre>Sorry, Imagick
06:24<gre>Just uninstalled the pecl version
06:26<gre>reinstalled php5-imagick
06:26<gre>Now, any ideas ?
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06:26<azeem>what's the full error message?
06:26<gre>Class 'Imagick' not found in /var/..........php on line 23
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06:27<azeem>it literally says "........"?
06:27<gre>no, that's the path...
06:27<azeem>12:26 < azeem> what's the full error message?
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06:27<gre>Fatal error: Class 'Imagick' not found in /var/www/vhosts/.../httpdocs/admin_nachtzug/bb_image_konverter.php on line 23
06:27<gre>Can't give you the domain name
06:27<themill>gre: a three-line bit of code to help us reproduce this would help. Stick it into a pastebin, /msg dpkg paste
06:29<azeem>gre: does your code mess with the standard class-search paths or soß
06:29<gre> $image = new Imagick($file);
06:29<gre> $src_w = $image->getImageWidth();
06:29<gre> $src_h = $image->getImageHeight();
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06:30<gre>I'm not very familiar with paste bin
06:31<azeem>maybe the Imagick module needs to be added to php.ini?
06:32<gre>Ìt is
06:32<azeem>gre: and php itself is the version from Debian stable?
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06:33<gre>Hmm, that's what I see in the PHP infos
06:33<azeem>gre: what does "dpkg -l php5-imagick | tail -1" say?
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06:35<gre>ii php5-imagick 0.9.11+1-4.1 ImageMagick module for php5
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06:36<gre>azeem: well, I'm glad you say that ;) but what does it mean?
06:37<azeem>you're running oldstable
06:37<gre>And I guess that is not good
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06:39<simonrvn>you should update asap
06:39<gre>I did a upgrade yesterday
06:39<gre>apt-get upgrade
06:39<themill>dpkg: tell gre about etch-?lenny
06:39<themill>dpkg: tell gre about etch->lenny
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06:40<slush>hm good luck with that on a machine with plesk on it
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06:44<azeem>gre: well, I see multiple reports about iMagick not found on etch
06:44<azeem>and everybody recommends indeed the pecl installation
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06:46<gre>what I did, as mentioned bevor. Where you told me I would not be supported in thes forum...
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06:46<azeem>gre: right
06:46<azeem>well, the positive part is that apparently this should work fine on lenny
06:47<azeem>so I recommend you upgrade, if possible
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06:48<gre>Ok. Thanks themill, azeem.
06:48<themill>where php is concerned, I'd not be happy running an etch machine any more
06:54<gre>Just on last question. The server got set up about 6 month ago by the hosting service. Do you think that was a too old of a version to lauch me with ?
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06:56<dr|z3d>php needs to current.
06:56<dr|z3d>too much to go wrong when it's not.
06:56<dr|z3d>Think of it in the same terms you do your browser. Up-to-date good, not up-to-date, uhoh.
06:59<gre>Yes, but I thought a ugrade is what I need to do. This is what I did. When I read all the lenny infos, I see it a bit different.
07:00<azeem>there's a difference between the operation "apt-get upgrade" and a upgrade from one major Debian version to the next
07:01<azeem>for the latter, read the release notes
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07:02<gre>How often should one consider to upgrade to a major dabian version at least?
07:02<azeem>at least when the currently used major version is no longer supported by security updates
07:02<azeem>which is the case for etch
07:03<gre>Do you know since when concerning ETCH ?
07:03<azeem>since 1-3 months, not sure
07:03<gre>ah ok, that's not long.
07:03<azeem>no, but lenny has been released over a year ago
07:03<themill>dpkg: tell gre about d-s-a
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07:06<gre>Ok. Listen guys. That's in the end all not very fancy for me but your assistance was tremendously helpful. A say thanks again and wish you all a good day.
07:06<k-man>how do i change the SnnSomePrgram of a program in the /etc/rcn.d run level directories?
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07:08<jm_>k-man: how do you do what?
07:09<jm_>if you mean the order number, the defaults are set in postinst script usually
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07:09<k-man>jm_: err... the links to init files in rc2.d for instance, they are named S17sudo for instance. i want to move something thats at S19 to S24
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07:10<k-man>i want mythtv to start at S25 and lirc to start at S24. the lirc init script is one i wrote that does not have the usual metadata in it
07:10<jm_>k-man: yeah see above, you call update-rc.d with the right values
07:10<k-man>i tried update-rc.d mythtv-backend start 25 defaults but that did not seem to do it
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07:12<jm_>update-rc.d mythtv-backend defaults 25
07:12<jm_>I think
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07:12<jm_>it might need -f if files already exist
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07:14<k-man>jm_: even when i try with the -f it doesn't move it
07:14<jm_>k-man: then remove them and add again
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07:17<k-man>hmmm... i get this warning: update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing
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07:17<k-man>i think its ignoring my numbers for when to start
07:17<Ayporos>Ugh, I didn't expect setting up a dual boot with win7 would be this much trouble
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07:17<k-man>Ayporos: microsoft don't like to make things easy
07:18<Ayporos>Well it's not necessarily that to be honest
07:18<Ayporos>I did an 'automated' install of debian
07:18<Ayporos>and it failed to provide me any information or questions about booting
07:19<jm_>k-man: indeed, dependency based boot is different
07:19<k-man>jm_: ah.... where do i read up on that?
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07:19<k-man>nm, google found it
07:19<Ayporos>So now I'm stuck with windows working using windows bootloader, but I can't seem to get a working linux option into the windows boot menu
07:20<jm_>Ayporos: really? it added an entry for vista for me just fine, additionally, os-prober package and grub2 shall handle it as well
07:20<Ayporos>yes but I don't want to use grub, I'm using windows boot manager as default, and trying to put a reference in there that points to linux' grub
07:20<k-man>jm_: any idea how to manage the init sequence with dependancy based boot?
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07:21<jm_>don't expect that debian will handle that for you then
07:21<Ayporos>this way I can uninstall / reinstall linux without messing up my computer booting to windows
07:21<jm_>k-man: hmm I haven't looked at that yet, but isn't it based on the comments in the init script?
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07:21<k-man>jm_: yeah, i think so, ill try that thanks
07:21<Ayporos>Debian doesn't have to handle anything, it just has to boot when asked to do so... I can't get a call to grub working though
07:22<jm_>k-man: there's also something on debian wiki
07:22<Ayporos>using EasyBCD I've manged to boot into a commandline grub screen
07:22<jm_>right so it's a window problem then, not debian
07:22<Ayporos>but I don't know wether that's my debian's grub or it's own instance of grub running on my C: drive
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07:22<Ayporos>what commands could I use in that grub commandline to check where it was loaded from and if I can load the kernel/os from there?
07:23<Ayporos>did a 'tab' and a 'help' but couldn't get much wiser from the lists
07:23<jm_>something simple like testload
07:24<Ayporos>what would be the 'actual' command(s) to load linux (assuming I'd be in the correct grub)
07:24<jm_>that depends on your grub version
07:24<jm_>but I see grub2 no longer has testload, doh
07:24<Ayporos>if it loaded the correct grub, it should be standard debian grub version
07:24<jm_>there are two versions of grub in debian ...
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07:25<Ayporos>legacy and 2.0?
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07:25<Ayporos>Cuz in easyBCD I set it to grub 2
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07:25<Ayporos>would setting it to grub (legacy) do any good, or is that just silly?
07:25<jm_>do you get its help screen displayed?
07:26<Ayporos>yes, when I enter help I get a list of commands and their suffixes
07:26<jm_>so you get no menu?
07:26<Ayporos>when I enter tab in main screen I get a non-formatted list of commands without explanation
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07:26<Ayporos>umh, just text
07:27<Ayporos>with the option of pressing Q to quit or any other key to... I forgot
07:27<Ayporos>might be a menu I didn't recognise as a menu tho
07:27<Ayporos>so anyway, you think testload would make me a bit wiser?
07:27<jm_>well kernel is for old grub, grub 2 uses linux/linux16
07:28<jm_>don't forget to load initrd as well
07:28<Ayporos>before testload?
07:28<jm_>you don't need testload - that's just used to test reading a file
07:28<Ayporos>ok, I'll try that and be right back
07:28<jm_>rememebr exact text it displays as well
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07:38<Ayporos>apparently it loads GRUB4DOS 0.4.5a
07:38<Ayporos>which must be a version of grub included with easyBCD
07:39<Ayporos>loaded from the C: partition
07:39<Ayporos>looks of it I might be able to boot into debian from there if I supply the correct commands?
07:39<Ayporos>but I need to know what to enter as root values (device, partition) and how to load the kernel.
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07:40<Ayporos>when I try to just 'boot' it says I need to load kernel first
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07:40<jm_>yes, with the commands I gave you
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07:40<Ayporos>hm? which were those again?
07:41<Ayporos>(sorry, haven't done much command line stuff for like 5 years now)
07:42<jm_>kernel and initrd, please note that this is off topic for #debian
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07:42<carl>there are some people here?
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07:44<dr|z3d>No. We're all figments of your fevered imagination..
07:45<Ayporos>uhm, trying to load linux from grub is offtopic?
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07:46<Ayporos>btw, I tried both kernel, gave an error 30 (incorrect parameters) and initrd didn't do anything either
07:46<jm_>no, trying to load linux with grub4dos is
07:46<Ayporos>ah, I see
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07:50<Ayporos>question: on my first installation Debian should have put grub in the MBR, will it still be there now? or will it have been overwritten by windows MBR?
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07:50<Ayporos>because it didn't look like installing grub onto MBR removed the windows MBR
07:50<dr|z3d>Ayporos: If you installed Windows after Debian, Windows will have nuked it.
07:50<prashantsaxena>where can I download final live cd(single) of debian 4.0 etch?
07:50<Ayporos>so if I wanted to call for the grub loader in the MBR, which path should I use?
07:50<jm_>did you install windows after debian?
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07:51<jm_>well then grub should be in MBR if you told the installer to put it there
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07:52<Ayporos>rgr, so I can make a reference in my windows BCD file to 'BOOT' device. Which is the path to use?
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07:52<Ayporos>currently the device is set to C: and path to \NST\AutoNeoGrub2.mbr (the grub4dos)
07:53<Ayporos>so which path do I use for the proper grub that is on the MBR?
07:53<Ayporos>(I assume this isn't off-topic... hopefully) ^^
07:53<jm_>if grub was on MBR you would get it's prompt, not grub4dos' one
07:53<jm_>its even
07:53<Ayporos>no, because the windows MBR is on there aswell, and it loads that
07:53<Ayporos>(that, or only the windows MBR is there)
07:53<jm_>so grub was never on MBR then :)
07:54<Ayporos>it was once.... for like, 1 boot cycle lol :P
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07:54<jm_>yes but it's not there anymore - just try using kernel and initrd commands to load linux from grub4dos for now and if that works you can fix its menu I guess
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07:55<Ayporos>nah, screw grub4dos
07:55<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
07:55<jm_>that's the simplest way to achieve it
07:55<Ayporos>that will overwrite windows MBR though, and I don't want that
07:56<jm_>you obviously don't understand ow this works - so you will need to stick with grub4dos
07:56<dr|z3d>That will faciliate dual boot.
07:56<Ayporos>what, you saying it is not possible to use grub unless its in the MBR?
07:56<Ayporos>that doesn't sound right to me
07:57<dr|z3d>Ayporos: Like jm_ said, you don't understand. Perhaps do some background reading?
07:57<Ayporos>sure, link me something and I'll start reading
07:57<jm_>no, but something needs to load that grub - so either grub4dos or sticking its sector to a file and handle it with windows loader
07:57<Ayporos>^ that is exactly the procedure I tried before
07:57<Ayporos>linux.boot file on my C:
07:57<dr|z3d>!fgi Ayporos dual+boot+windows+grub+howto+linux
07:58<jm_>that's what we can't help with - try in windows related channels
07:58<Ayporos>gee drjz3d, you are really helpfull
07:58<jm_>we can help with the other way - grub on MBR and how to load windows from there
07:58<Ayporos>sure jm, thanks for your time
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08:09<Ayporos>yay, just spent 10 minutes reading a site that would supposedly tell me how to load linux from BCD and then at the very end I find out he didn't do that at all, he just made an entry in grub for vista/7 O.o
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08:09<Ayporos>god bless poor article titles.
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08:32<eshat>Hi all. After installing synaptics tochpad drivers in Windows, my toucpad on debian is much to fast configured it was fine before (debian sid without xorg.conf)
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08:33<adb>eshat, not a good practice to ask same things on same time on both debian channels
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08:34<eshat>adb why not ? it#s best way to reach many people
08:34<adb> ask or say
08:35<dr|z3d>It's considered rude, eshat.
08:35<bremner_>eshat: reaching thousands of irritated people is not a win :)
08:35<dr|z3d>Many people sit in both channels and don't want to have to answer your question in 2 places.
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08:35<azeem>eshat: it's also the best way to get ignored by people on both channels, which happen to be among the people with the most knowledge
08:35<azeem>or rather, type up the question only to find out it got answered already
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08:36*themill wonders how many times we have to have this discussion with eshat
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08:37<dr|z3d>It's a bit like playing two dealers off against each other, to borrow from popular culture. One of them will surely be pissed when you don't buy their product! ;)
08:37<azeem>well, fortunately, eshat is running unstable so nobody has to answer anyway
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08:37<eshat>azeem: themill: ok ok ,... I ll try to first ask in one channel and ask the second after a period of time, better ?
08:37<eshat>azeem: :D
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08:38<eshat>azeem: you are serious, right ?
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08:41<dr|z3d>eshat: Just stick to one channel.
08:41<dr|z3d>The best people are in both.
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08:42<eshat>dr|z3d: okayyyyyyyy
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08:44<dr|z3d>(enough of them, anyways)
08:44<dr|z3d>eshat: Running unstable = I know what I'm doing, I'm an advanced user.
08:44<dr|z3d>If it doesn't, you shouldn't be running it! :)
08:44<dr|z3d>@nhut: this ain't twitter, it's #debian :)
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08:44*dr|z3d blinks.
08:44<dr|z3d>Wut flood? :/
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08:44<themill>dr|z3d: tor lag?
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08:44<dr|z3d>themill: More than likely. :)
08:45<dr|z3d>In any event, I didn't think I was flooding. :/
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08:45<Ayporos>god, I can't find a proper (active) windows help channel on any irc server, any suggestions?
08:45<themill>dr|z3d: 4 lines arrived within one second.
08:45<titan8990>Ayporos: ##windows on freenode
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08:45<dr|z3d>Ayporos: sure, ##windows on freende
08:45<themill>Ayporos: ##windows on
08:46<Ayporos>yeah, went there
08:46<Ayporos>no activity whatsoever
08:46<dr|z3d>themill: Ah, right.. yeah, tor lag as you say.
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08:46<themill>Ayporos: then either try asking your question in a different way or try again in a few hours when different people are active. There are 384 people there...
08:48<Ayporos>I explained my question on the lowest level possible
08:48<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
08:48<azeem>Ayporos: please take this elsewhere
08:48<XayOn__>Oh! Hell... late, quimo left :P
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08:55<dpkg>Voor Nederlandstalige hulp met debian kunt U terecht in #debian-nl. For help with debian in Dutch, you can join #debian-nl.
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09:00<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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09:13<dr|z3d>!es quintero
09:13<azeem>it's !ubuntu-es even
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09:14<dr|z3d>Oh, ctcp version, azeem? :)
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09:15<tomSn>hola ijet
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09:16<Close>hola, aqui hay españoles?
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09:16<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
09:16<Close>ok x
09:16<dpkg>Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en Ahi recibira mas soporte.
09:16<titan8990>dr|z3d: didn't seem to work for me, but I am still somewhat of a newb with my current client
09:16<azeem>Close: ^^
09:17<dr|z3d>titan8990: /ctcp version tomSn
09:17-!-tomSn was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
09:18<dr|z3d>My bad.. /ctcp <user> version
09:18<dr|z3d>>> TCP/VERSION reply from tomSn : xchat 2.8.6 Ubuntu
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09:20<titan8990>dr|z3d: 2010-04-14 09:21 [OFTC] [ctcp(dr|z3d)] VERSION. I don't get a reply though. Haven't really tried this since I switched from xchat to irssi
09:21<azeem>he's using tor
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09:21<titan8990>ah, ok.. let me try someone else
09:21<dr|z3d>Not only am I using Tor, I also block all ctcp requests :)
09:22<musca>and not all irc-clients do answer
09:22<titan8990>alright, it works
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09:22<azeem>!ubuntu-es tomSn
09:22<dpkg>tomSn: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en Ahi recibira mas soporte.
09:24<tomSn>pero para que?
09:24<tomSn>no se puede
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09:26<azeem>tomSn: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for writing non-english
09:26<azeem>please go to #ubuntu-es on
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09:26<dr|z3d>tomSn: /connect and then /join #ubuntu-es
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09:29<johnfg>How do I not just turn network-manager and network-manger-dispatcher off, but make them so they won't run? They interfere with what needs to be done for kerberos and openldap.
09:29<titan8990>johnfg: disable the init scripts using update-rc.d
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10:32<dpkg>cn is, like, China, or for help in chinese please join #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
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10:34<hhvvhv>you china
10:34<www>hhvvhv: are you chinese?
10:34<locklace>no, you china
10:34<www>dpkg is not chinese
10:34<dpkg>www: I don't know, could you explain it?
10:34<dr|z3d>we english, hhvvhv.
10:35<dr|z3d>we speakee english here. :)
10:35<www>dpkg;i mean hhvvhv is a chinese
10:35<dpkg>www: what are you talking about?
10:35<hhvvhv>I china
10:35<themill>hhvvhv, www: perhaps you'd like to /join #debian-zh
10:35<www>hhvvhv: we talk in english here
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10:36<www>themill: no , i can speak english here
10:36<themill>of course
10:37<dr|z3d>www: That's the _only_ language we tolerate here :)
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10:37<www>dr|z3c: i think so
10:37<hhvvhv>wo ying wen bu hao
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10:38<www>hhvvhv: please don't speak chinese here , you can join the zh
10:38<dr|z3d>hhvvhv: day lo mo hi. and please, English. :)
10:38<hhvvhv>he he !
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10:39<www>hhvvhv: no one can get it here
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10:43<Sir_Ahzz>anyone have alink to a solution for deboostrap not installing termcap on a xen-build-image domu?
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10:49<Guest2482>Hello, what Debian testing iso you think i should use for reinstalling an eeepc?
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10:56<titan8990>Guest2482: that an "if you have to ask, you shouldn't" question
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10:57<fasta>Can I put multiple IP addresses for one hostname in /etc/hosts?
10:57<fasta>It should just use one that works.
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11:05<E0x>hello , anyway of get a list of all package installed and from what repository come from ?
11:06<E0x>i think apt-show-versions do it but i can't use it
11:06<herpes123>i dunno im running ubuntu 10.04 beta
11:06<herpes123>its pretty good
11:06<herpes123>just installed kde openbox xfce and lxde
11:06<herpes123>cause im like that
11:06<E0x>i am trying do a combination of dpkg tools and apt but not luck yet
11:06<titan8990>E0x: dpkg -l | grep ^i; for a list
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11:06<titan8990>E0x: apt-cache policy <package> to find the repository it belongs in
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11:06<E0x>titan8990: i need where the come from too, i mean from what repository
11:07<herpes123>ahaha what a list
11:07<E0x>titan8990: yes i saw that
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11:07<E0x>let me find a way of parse
11:07<E0x>that data
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11:34<themill>!ubuntu-es tomSn
11:34<dpkg>tomSn: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en Ahi recibira mas soporte.
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11:35<dr|z3d>tomSn: /connect y pues /join #debian-es
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11:38<tomSn>en ubuntu no hay nadie y me aburro
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11:40<themill>!es-social tomSn
11:40<dpkg>tomSn: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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11:41<themill>tomSn: #debian-es-cachondeo
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11:58<houms>can someone help me with converting or mounting an IMG file from a security camera?
11:58<houms>we are trying to review the video, but it is in IMG format
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12:03<cahoot>mplayer doesn't handle it?
12:04<houms>let me try
12:04<houms>not sure thought I read somewhere but i did not have it installed
12:05<houms>no it does not work
12:05<houms>it says seek failed
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12:18<Glorf>Hi all, i have a problem with Iceweasel : when i try to change my fonts, i have a long select list, but when i scroll down, it's still the 1st fonts... So, i can't change the fonts used by IceWeasel... any idea ?
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12:19<IOhannes>Glorf, scroll with arrow keys
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12:21<j>How i PRint in black ink?
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12:21<j>I don't see any opitiion to print in black in Ubuntu ?
12:22<malex>I don't understand the fix for #577773. My mouse keeps using 4 5 for YAxisMapping after I updated my sid packages today and ignores xorg.conf.
12:22<Glorf>thanks IOhannes
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12:23<titan8990>j: your looking for #ubuntu on
12:23<TrueNhero>hello where can i get a lite version of inkscape??
12:23<titan8990>TrueNhero: dia maybe?
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12:23<dr|z3d>TrueNhero: Try
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12:25<TrueNhero>i have xara, but is too large, i need some like the puppylinux's inkscape
12:25<TrueNhero>cuz i have 256 mb RAM
12:25<dr|z3d>TrueNhero: Large?
12:26<dr|z3d>If Xara's large, forget InkScape.
12:27<titan8990>dia is pretty light.... I have never used inkscape but the description says it is a vector diagram app, which is what dia is
12:27<IOhannes>anybody knows how i can turn ON the backlight of a DFT? when running X (without user input) it turns off backlight after a while (screen _very_ dim) and the only way i can get it back is to switch to VT1 and back
12:27<IOhannes>unfortunately the machine has to run without user-interaction...
12:27<dr|z3d>titan8990: Fair play, not familiar with dia, but Xara is a pretty low footprint app.
12:29<TrueNhero>i see a light version of inkscape on puppylinux
12:29<dr|z3d>TrueNhero: I'd be surprised if that was any lighter than Xara.
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12:29<TrueNhero>but i wanna have 2 versions of inkscape,
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12:37<csotelo>hello debian people...
12:37<csotelo>just a question
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12:38<csotelo>I am working on an amd64 machinne
12:38<csotelo>but I am having alot of problems...
12:39<csotelo>there are a way.. ( is possible to do ) migrate from amd64 to x86 kernel with out formet the hard disk?
12:39<dpkg>rumour has it, reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone> <debian clone>
12:39<themill>csotelo: basically, no.
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12:41<Glorf>I can't mount anything : when i plug my USB key (for example), i've got "Error creating moint point: Input/output error"
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12:43<csotelo>thanks themill ... then Is suppouste that i must save all my data and format my disk... I have been having poblems running some app :
12:43<csotelo>themill, anyway... thanks a lot
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12:55<henrique>debian squeeze doesnt have support for xen ?
12:56<titan8990>,versions linux-image-xen-686
12:56<judd>linux-image-xen-686 -- etch: 2.6.18+6etch3; etch-security: 2.6.18+6etch3; etch-backports: 2.6.26+17~bpo40+2; lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1
12:56<titan8990>!why is linux-image-xen-686 not in testing
12:56<dpkg>linux-image-xen-686 is not in testing for the reasons listed in
12:57<themill>!squeeze kernel
12:57<dpkg>well, squeeze kernel is likely to be 2.6.32 and will not have kernel mode setting enabled by default. See and ask me about <KMS>. See also <squeeze udev>, <kernel abi>.
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12:58<henrique>there arent "reasons" in this site..
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13:01<themill>henrique: xen is in the usual mess that xen is in. might be of use
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13:05<henrique>so a specific kernel for dom0 isn't necessary in squeeze?
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13:06<TrueNhero>where can i get a cheap laptop with debian??
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13:08<titan8990>TrueNhero: good luck...
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13:09<hitchup>Ill contact you just before throwing this one out the window.
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13:10<Nessa>boa tarde
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13:11<Nessa>tc de onde?
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13:12<Nessa>tc de onde
13:12<maestro>nessa hablas español?
13:13<Nessa>mais ou menos
13:13<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
13:13<Nessa>nessa sim eu nãp
13:13<maestro>lo digo por k soy español
13:13<Nessa>espanhol ou ingles
13:13<maestro>bye bye
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13:14<Nessa>de onde vcs tc?
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13:16<Nessa>e como funciona?
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13:16<Nessa>henrique ola
13:16<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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13:18<Nessa>falam em portugues?
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13:18<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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13:19<Nessa>não sabia
13:19<Nessa>voces podem me ajudar a acompanhar quem sabe relebro como tc em ingles
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13:22<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
13:22<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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13:22<dr|z3d>Or speak English, Nessa. Whatever suits :)
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13:23<Nessa>dpkg estou tentando mais não consigo
13:23<dpkg>parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Nessa
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13:24<Nessa>the page error
13:24<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
13:24<simonrvn>page error?
13:25<_Karsten>Nessa: Whack what you want to say into google english translator... It will make our lives easier
13:25<Nessa>way is speak english?
13:25<_Karsten>Nessa: (
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13:27<laurent>hi, i'm looking for a debian lenny 503 iso file but i don't find it on the official FTP (on the official website). So, someone can help me to find it
13:28<_Karsten>or for dvd
13:28<laurent>_Karsten: it's the 504 version...
13:29<Nessa>NO anderstand
13:29<gsimmons>dpkg: tell laurent -about debian archive
13:29<_Karsten>laurent: ah ok.
13:29<titan8990>TrueNhero: yep?
13:29<laurent>i'm looking for 503 iso file :)
13:29<themill>laurent: the differences are minimal. Why are you looking for 5.0.3 specifically?
13:29<laurent>for the kernel version
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13:29<_Karsten>Nessa: Aprenda Inglés o el uso de un traductor
13:29<laurent>i cause i always work with the 503 and i don't wanna change ^^
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13:30<EmleyMoor>What would the effect be of having two dhcpds running on the same network?
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13:30<TrueNhero>can i have 2 versions of a program?? a full version and a light version?
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13:30<titan8990>laurent: the kernel did not get upgraded in the 503 -> 504 point upgrade IIRC
13:30<_Karsten>EmleyMoor: Chaos.. and hell would freeze
13:30<titan8990>laurent: or did not get "patched" i should say... it only gets upgraded when moving to a new release
13:31<EmleyMoor>_Karsten: Fair enough
13:31<titan8990>or in some cases an in-between like etch-n-half
13:31*EmleyMoor has had to set up a temporary one while his main system is undergoing tests
13:31<_Karsten>EmleyMoor: I might have been a bit dramatic.. It may cause clients to not be able to resolve a correct IP
13:32<_Karsten>Ideally just set one up, or put it behind a small network (switch)
13:32<EmleyMoor>Presumably only those that take a spare, rather than being allocated a specific one
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13:33<_Karsten>Yes, that is true
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13:33<themill>laurent: kernel updates are only usually to solve known security problems with the kernel, some of them remotely exploitable. Think twice before eschewing that kernel update.
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13:33<EmleyMoor>(my laptops both take "fixed by DHCP" addresses at home, but my phone, and systems under repair or belonging to visitors, take spares)
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13:35<laurent>in fact, i was tryed the testing 504 and the kernel is not adapted to me, in the stable 504, it's not the same kernel than testing 504?
13:35<_Karsten>back later: home
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13:36<themill>laurent: there's no such thing as "testing 504"
13:37<laurent>what is the kernel version on 504 stable?
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13:38<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.4); sid: 2.6.32-4-686 (2.6.32-11); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.3-686 (2.6.32-9~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2)
13:39<laurent>judd: 2.6.26-2-686, it's the version of kernel in the last lenny release?
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13:43<void>i need a little favour .. can someone send me a source.lst ?
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13:43<titan8990>laurent: I get the impression you have been mixing testing and lenny
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13:43<titan8990>!tell void about lenny sources
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13:44<titan8990>!tell void about sources
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13:44<laurent>i will download the last stable version
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13:47<void>well thaks i could download a big mirror list
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13:48<EmleyMoor>Is there an easy way to put a bootable .iso onto a USB stick, so that it can be used to boot a system?
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13:49<dr|z3d>EmleyMoor: Sure. unetbootin
13:49<bremner_>yes. it's in the install guide
13:49<titan8990>dr|z3d: easy, yes. reliable, no
13:49<dr|z3d>titan8990: :)
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13:49<bremner_>the install guide method is pretty easy, and afaik reliable
13:49<dr|z3d>I was answering the question at face value, titan8990 :)
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13:50<ml|>laurent: if you really want 5.03 you can try searching a bittorrent tracker[you might get lucky], but 5.04 should be fine
13:50<bremner_>well, I guess the install guide method is a pain if you don't have a working linux system
13:51<padski>I'm having a go at ath9k wifi in AdHoc mode, but I'm seeing "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Name not unique on network"
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13:56<void>im configuring the kernel for first time the output of make config it says i need ncurses (ncurses-devel) well i installed with apt ncurses-bases etc and it doesnt work what package need to be installed ?
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13:57<kop>void: I don't know, but if you haven't it couldn't hurt to install build-essentials.
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13:59<void>ok thanks kop let me see what happend
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14:00<void>damm many distros are getting to many problems with nvidia
14:01<titan8990>void: ncurses-dev
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14:04<void>titan thanks its working now
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14:05<EmleyMoor>I appear not to be able to boot anything but hard disks on my dodgy machine
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14:06<EmleyMoor>(no CD, no USB)
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14:09<ml|>EmleyMoor: checked the bios? and there should be some key you need to press right after you boot to get a menu that allows you to select the boot device
14:09<EmleyMoor>Checked several times - not seen any "menu" way
14:09<kop>!tell PK about br
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14:10<kop>EmleyMoor: It'd likely pxeboot if you dropped the right ethernet card in.
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14:12<ml|>it should have some sort of menu, unless it's ancient
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14:12<EmleyMoor>Not offering me anything but disks on the popup menu
14:13<EmleyMoor>Ah, offering USB
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14:17<void>another one ... ive got the source on /usr/src ...into there i copied the config file which is on /boot ... when i starting to compiling the kernel it gonna be configured same to my old kernel ?
14:18<ml|>if you did not mess with .config, yes
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14:19<void>what u mea ? i didnt touch anything
14:19<ml|>then all should be the same
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14:20<Ayporos>Question: I tried installing debian, installed grub to MBR, when restart, after it checks for cd it just says "missing operating system"
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14:20<Ayporos>after various reboots with both debian dvd to try and fix it and even windows 7 dvd to try and reset to windows MBR bootloader, all fails
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14:20<Ayporos>then, suddenly, it loaded grub, but the options in grub didnt work
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14:20<Ayporos>and then, suddenly, after a reboot, windows worked again using windows bootloader
14:21<Ayporos>is it possible when I'm installing a bootloader into the MBR that it isn't overwriting previously installed bootloaders?
14:22<ml|>void: if you are compiling a newer kernel than what you have, you should 'make oldconfig' to setup anything mew
14:22<sney>the mbr isn't very big. I wonder if win7 has some kind of mbr recovery racket going on.
14:22<Ayporos>personally I think the problem might be with debian not working well with my harddisk setup
14:22<sney>why, what's weird about it?
14:23<EmleyMoor>This board can not boot from SATA port 5 or 6 (!)
14:23<dr|z3d>sney: 7 does new stuff.
14:23<Ayporos>I am using 4 hd's in RAID 5 as storage (NTFS) and I have one hd in raid 0 that I use for windows (and linux)
14:23<sney>hardware raid?
14:23<dr|z3d>sney: Like it's own separate boot partition afaik.
14:23<Ayporos>bios raid
14:23<void>ml i didnt had the sources so i download a new kernel version and copied the config file of my old kernel version and put it into /usr/src its fine ? anyway should i execute that u told me ?
14:24<Ayporos>Asus P5Q3 Deluxe is the mobo I use
14:24<sney>so the OSes just see the arrays as single devices, right? 1 device for your raid 0 and 1 device for your raid 5?
14:24<Ayporos>no, it sees em as seperate SCSI's
14:24<ml|>void: do you really need to compile your own kernel?
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14:24<Ayporos>my main windows/linux hd is recognised as SCSI8
14:24<sney>I think we're saying the same thing here Ayporos
14:25<Ayporos>lol ok =)
14:25<sney>though I can't fathom why you would make a raid array with only 1 disk
14:25<Ayporos>but yes, the raid array is 1 device
14:25<Ayporos>I'm not sure if it is raid 0
14:25<Ayporos>my bios does weird things
14:25<Ayporos>it has to do with the mobo
14:26<Ayporos>the non-raided hd is on a SATA port that according to my mobo is hooked up through some sort of special interface
14:26<sney>if you didn't set up an array, there is no array
14:26<Ayporos>I mightave select to use it as RAID in bios
14:26<Ayporos>or it might have auto done that
14:26<Ayporos>anyway, regardless of that jabber
14:27<Ayporos>I can't even get grub to boot from MBR
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14:27<void>ml my new box has a nvidia 7 series which isnt compatible with lenny ... or lenny isnt compatible with it :) ... i downloadesd the drivers from nvidia when i try to compile it appear a message saying ur gcc version is not equal to ur gcc versio used to compile the kernel or something like this ...
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14:28<Ayporos>BCD, windows boot configuration data
14:28<Ayporos>it replaces boot.ini since windows vista
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14:28<sney>void: debian has a different way of installing the nvidia drivers that is much better than the hacky nvidia installer
14:28<ml|>void: /msg dpkg nvidia
14:29<ml|>and nvidia installer is not supported
14:30<ml|>most after using nvidia installer cannot remove them if you ever want to do the debian way; basically breaks your system
14:30<sney>good thing it failed, in other words
14:32<ml|>void: if you ever want/need a newer kernel for lenny, you can install a newer one from bpo; /msg dpkg bpo
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14:33<void>mmm theres np with nvidia installer if it makes run x
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14:34<chealer>void: which exact hardware are you talking about?
14:34<sney>no void, believe me, there are always problems with the nvidia installer.
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14:34<sney>a geforce 7, he said. which reminds me, anyone want a geforce 7? I have an extra
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14:35<void>its a m4n68t-m le with an onboard chipset gforce 7025
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14:36<ml|> looks like it's supported with 173
14:37<ml|>that's for i386 btw ^
14:37<chealer>void: What makes you think that's not compatible with lenny?
14:37<sney>probably because it didn't work out of the box
14:38<ml|>the wiki explains how/what to do :)
14:38<arg|other>after a reboot, my ps2 mouse stopped working. none of /dev/psuax, /dev/input/mice or /dev/mouse output anything when read. /dev/mouse doesn't exist. how is it supposed to be configured?
14:38<void>what makes u think its ? ...
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14:40<ml|>void: it seems you want to use the nvidia installer so ... (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
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14:41<void>ml im not a hard head
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14:45<void>bye thaks for the help
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14:50<arg|other>everything is so underdocumented
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14:52<franki^>One day I'll dedicate my life to documenting Debian; I just need to understand it first. :(
14:52<sney>arg|other: your issue sounds like something that would be documented in the bug tracking system
14:52<sney>(and if it isn't, you should definitely file one)
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14:53<arg|other>sney: i don't even know how its supposed to work.. for all i know i set something up 7 years ago that was deprecated 4 years ago but nobody bothered to tell me :)
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14:54<Ayporos>It's ALIVE!!!
14:54<Ayporos>I can has dual-boot now
14:54<sney>!congratulate Ayporos
14:54<dpkg>Good show Ayporos, you did it!
14:54<sney>arg|other: ps/2 input is supposed to Just Work. if it doesn't and you didn't change anything, that's a bug.
14:55<Ayporos>quick question, can Debian 'read' a raid 5 array partitioned as NTFS?
14:55<Ayporos>because in debian it said "system reserved" and mounting failed
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14:58<Shellman>Hello dear debian ppl, i have thought about starting virtuallising on my debian box. Currently it have no gui (only console/ssh) and i want to keep it that way. I have looked into Xen some but i think its abit overkill for me, i just want to have a Ubuntu with GUI and a Win 7 GUI virtullised on it. You guys have any suggestions how i could do this in a kinda simpel way?
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15:00<Torsten_W>if the hardware is able to work with kvm
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15:09<kop>Shellman: My plan is to use virtualbox. kvm is also good if you've the hardware to support it. YMMV.
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15:09<Shellman>Torsten_W: whats the real benefits with KVM? i have mostly heard that Xen is better to be honest
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15:10<Torsten_W>kvm is easy
15:10<Torsten_W>kvm is in kernel
15:10<Torsten_W>kvm is fast
15:10<Shellman>kop: You know if there is a uhm.. how to say, "Remote" gui for virtuallbox? since i use commandline debian
15:10<kop>Shellman: dunno.
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15:11<kop>Shellman: I'd ssh to the virtual machine.
15:11<Shellman>Torsten_W: ah ok, think i need to read up some more on kvm then :) sounds kinda good. I just hope it support GUI 4 ubuntu/debian. MS HYPER-V dont.. and im fucking annoyed over that hehe
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15:12<Gathond>Shellman: the is, just not for the OSS version
15:13<Gathond>the other version is free as in beer for most uses though, and support RDP as a way to attach a view to the VM
15:13<Shellman>Gathond: I dont know what you mean with OSS version, gotta google that ^^
15:14<sney>open source he means
15:14<Gathond>Shellman: the Open Source version does not include the RDP interface
15:14<Ayporos>Question: I am running the latest stable build of Debian. My motherboard has a Ralink RT2770F wifi chip, and said chip is not listed on Similar Ralink chips however ARE listed there. Does this mean debian does not support my wifi chip?
15:14<Gathond>ans as debian frowns on non opensource components, the version in debian does not
15:14<Gathond>there is a command line interface (which the UI use) to start/stop/manipulate virtual machines
15:15<Gathond>however for installation and such that is not really good, as you can't connect and see the interface on the VM without an OS
15:15<Shellman>Gathond: yeah ok, hm.. that kinda what i want to avoid, therefor i want an "remote gui" or howto say. Like Xen got
15:16<Gathond>I don't know Xen
15:16<Ayporos>According to the wiki, the most similar ralink chips have non open-source software and require some configuration. The download section (for linux) from my mobo company does have a few drivers, but I am not sure which one the wifi one is, and wether or not there is one
15:16<Gathond>you can always install then non opensource version
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15:16<Gathond>the license is "free" (as in beer) for some/most usage
15:17<sney>Ayporos: the best way to see exactly what hardware you have is with lspci
15:17<arg|other>so i had to add i8042.nopnp to get the mouse back.. not sure what would have changed in the reboot, given that the kernel version did not change
15:17<Gathond>I believe it restricts the number of people you are allowed to serve logings to in a VM to 2
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15:17<sney>Ayporos: and then match the PCI id of your NIC to this
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15:19<nono>hello all, how is it possible to print a rendered rtf file with cups ? i installed cups-pdf for finally get it into pdf but it only prints the non-rendered rtf -> not usable thx
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15:20<sney>nono: #cups on would know best
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15:21<Shellman>Thanks for the help guys :) think i will try KVM out and hope for the best ;] maybe i will be in here picking on you for some help
15:22<nono>sney: yeah thx but i wondered how to normally view a rtf in console, can only open it in openoffice but rtf is so old but cat even shows non-rendered output..
15:23<kop>nono: For a one-off I'd open it in openoffice and print from there. Otherwise I don't know.
15:23<nono>kop: like i said..
15:23<sney>too bad it isn't a msword document, you could use catdoc
15:24<kop>nono: Maybe the unrtf package?
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15:24<nono>unrtf i tried. it converts rtf to html, ps etc.
15:25<sney>ps is good for printing
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15:25<kop>nono: And any of those are good for converting to ascii and reading on the console too.
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15:26<nono>on #cups nobody answers
15:27<nono>how is the print command for rendered output?
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15:27<nono>lpr text prints the non-rendered output -> lp html prints the html-code..that was my question..
15:27<kop>nono: Last I tried you just lpr a ps document.
15:28*dr|z3d copies to lpt1:
15:28<kop>nono: It may be that cups must be configured to do something, depending on your printer.
15:28*dr|z3d does it c.1988.
15:28<nono>kop: you know how to print html rendered ? unrtf has an error with ps output
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15:29<nono>its cups-pdf as printer..
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15:29<nono>i want to console output an rtf to pdf finally..
15:29<dr|z3d>nono: you could always try printing to a virtual pdf driver.
15:29<dr|z3d>Ah, you already are, it seems.
15:30<nono>but original problem is to view an rtf-document on the console without X
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15:30<nono>and rtf is so old i cant believe just openoffice can show it :D
15:31<kop>nono: Well, if you have html then view it with lynx or links or some such.
15:31<kop>nono: You can use them to script html to text as well.
15:31<dr|z3d>nono: abiword also should be able to display.
15:33<nono>dont want to have such big packages. have cups-pdf installed as virtual printer and a rtf-document now rtf->pdf maybe with html or ps in-between the pipe..
15:34<nono>kop: how can i script lynx to output to cups-pdf ? seems difficult..
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15:35<nono>kop: ah wait, dont have lynx/links installed..dont want to way to view rtf-document on console ?
15:36<kop>nono: unrtf says it will convert to text. That would do it.
15:37<nono>but without correct formatting
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15:37<nono>thats why i choice rtf
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15:38<nono>maybe piping ghostwriter ps to the lpr command anyhow ?
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15:38<saulo>hellp all, where Ifind some help about installing Debian on a EEE-PC?
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15:39<Lethalman>saulo, I installed it on the eeepc just like with any other computer
15:40<saulo>Into my model I cant detect the LAN hardware
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15:42<saulo>And I need some help to reproduce this:
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15:43<bremner_>what version of Debian do you have installed?
15:43<bremner_>and what kernel version
15:44<saulo>Debian-eeepc and Debian 5.0.4
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15:44<bremner_>kernel version?
15:44<bremner_>(output of uname -a)
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15:45<saulo>I can do this from install system?
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15:45<bremner_>you are trying to install over wifi?
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15:45<saulo>over LAN (blue cable)
15:46<bremner_>so which of the options from the wiki page you pointed to are you following?
15:46<locklace>that clearly won't work. you need a green cable
15:46<bremner_>!slap locklace (even though I thought the same :) )
15:46*dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across locklace (even though I thought the same :) )'s face
15:46<saulo>I read something about the kernel version, but I understood this is about Wifi driver, not lan. Or i'm wrong? If this about kernel version, how can I use another kernel at install?
15:47<dpkg>For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images.
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15:50<saulo>Ok! I will try with this custom images Installing hd-media from lenny-custom-0116.iso into USB
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15:55<nono>thanks all , bye !
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15:57<Asido>hello guys
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15:57<Asido>help me a little :)
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15:58<Asido>i try to change console resolution by adding vga=ask to /boot/grub/menu.lst
15:58<Asido>before loading os, i have to choose which resolution i want. i choose 1024x768 8bit, which code is 305
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15:59<Asido>so i go to menu.lst file again and change vga=ask to vga=305
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15:59<oldmerovingian>Why not set the code to vga=305
15:59<Asido>but after that my console is black
15:59<Asido>i mean, after restarting pc console is black till x start
16:00<Asido>i do now ctrl+alt+f1 and its black
16:00<oldmerovingian>Have you tried any other code?
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16:00<Asido>y, i did
16:00<Asido>which is 1024x768 16bit
16:00<oldmerovingian>Didnt work?
16:00<oldmerovingian>Are you adding it to the kernel line?
16:00<Asido>kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 root=/dev/sda1 ro quiet vga=ask
16:00<Asido>this is how it looks
16:01<Asido>and after typing 305 manually when vga=ask is, everything works ok
16:01<kop>Asido: Shouldn't there be a # in front of that? (for grub1/update-grub)
16:01<Asido>but after adding code - black
16:02<Asido>kop, you mean vga=#305?
16:02<kop>Asido: (Although that might be a different problem you won't see until you upgrade the kernel.) No, in the menu.lst file update-grub automtically adds kernel options and stuff. At least with grub1.
16:03<kop>Asido: You change the comments, the lines beginning with #, and update-grub writes the uncommented part.
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16:07<ml|>fwiw, when I used grub-legacy, vga=791 worked fine here at the end of kernel line
16:07<oldmerovingian>ml|: I use 791 as well. I didnt even see any 300s
16:07<sney>ymmv. when i used it, it whined about it being deprecated, and the whole fbconsole was offset to the left by about 10 pixels, cutting off the beginning of every line
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16:08<Asido>i don't think that i can use the code which isn't in the list
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16:08<Asido>i read people had problems after doing it
16:09<oldmerovingian>Asido: It looks like you are having problems already :-)
16:10<Asido>ha! true :)
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16:15<yarinse>hi cual es el idioma de este canal....?
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16:15<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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16:16<The_Grandmother>i have a problem with apt-get ?
16:16<dr|z3d>yarinse: English is our language here.
16:16<The_Grandmother>annyone care to help?
16:16<butzE>The_Grandmother: ask!
16:16<dr|z3d>The_Grandmother: Please tell us more.
16:16<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
16:17<The_Grandmother>i have had several problems with apt. At first the the preconfigured repositories where wrong but right now i just get a wierd secunce of errors
16:17<The_Grandmother>E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room
16:17<The_Grandmother>E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room
16:17<The_Grandmother>E: Ran out of allocation pools
16:17<The_Grandmother>E: Error occured while processing mime-support (NewVersion1)
16:17<The_Grandmother>E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/
16:17-!-The_Grandmother was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
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16:18<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
16:18<The_Grandmother>crap i got myself kicked :P
16:18<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
16:18<The_Grandmother>oki i will go there to paste :P
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16:18<The_Grandmother>just so thath youy know im running Eds-Debian on a xbox
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16:19<butzE>sney: Xbox Xebian EDs Debian Linux
16:20<sney>never heard of it ^^
16:20<ml|>me either
16:20<sney>I wonder if it's just a custom installer or a separate debian fork
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16:21<The_Grandmother>its justa debian fork optimized for Xbox
16:21<butzE>The_Grandmother: seems to be that you have not enough space left..
16:22<The_Grandmother>i find that a bit wierd .....
16:22<franki^>My grandmother never speaks like that. :(
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16:22<ml|>dpkg xebian
16:22<dpkg>Xebian is a GNU/Linux distribution - based on Debian <Sarge> - for the Microsoft Xbox video game console. It is not supported in #debian. #xbox-linux on See also <based on Debian> and <stable sources.list>.
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16:23<stuckey>When I try to mount my dvd/cd drive I just get: mount: no medium found on /dev/sr0
16:23<butzE>funny guy
16:24<dr|z3d>Erm. autoclean might have helped "her"
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16:25<stuckey>Nevermind, it mounted.
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16:27<saulo>Thank you all helped me with EEE-PC. The install from detects my LAN drivers
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16:32<The_Grandmother>im back
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16:32<The_Grandmother>the xbox linux chanell was empty :/
16:32<The_Grandmother>but i have only used 2% of my disk space...
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16:37<L1nk1>como esta ^^^^^^^^^^^
16:37<sney>this is an english channel, guys
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16:38<ml|>The_Grandmother: < dr|z3d> Erm. autoclean might have helped "her"
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16:38<The_Grandmother>no autoclean reaturns the same error
16:38<locklace>!nickometer iewfinewqi3faeqw3fraipqnnnnnnn
16:38<dpkg>'iewfinewqi3faeqw3fraipqnnnnnnn' is 37.000% lame, locklace
16:41<The_Grandmother>im at a complete loss here
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16:41<sney>The_Grandmother: basically, you're using a modified version of a debian distro that is 2 generations out of date... it's probably not going to update right no matter what you do
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16:57<jmux>The_Grandmother: setting a larger APT::Cache-Limit should help you. man apt.conf
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17:16<L1nk1>there is any good game working on debian ?
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17:55<Nazcafan>is gcc-4.5 planed for inclusion in squeeze?
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17:56<Nazcafan>or at least in sid, soon?
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17:57<sney>good question. probably
17:57<linuxn00b>hello: i have problems to boot my luks crypted notebook debian lenny (stable) everything is default. i used fsck and something went wrong. whole gnome session and other things crashed, can anyone help plz
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17:57<mercutio22>is it possible to bridge two network connections and increase bandwidth in debian by connecting via ethernet to one and wirelessly to the other?
17:59<gray_fox>when will squeeze be released?
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17:59<ml|>dpkg: wwsr
17:59<dpkg>Squeeze will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. No release schedule is done yet. Ask me about <squeeze bet>. See
18:00<linuxn00b>can anyone help me with a link or something how to rebuild a luks boot?
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18:06<linuxn00b>hello anyone here?
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18:07<ml|>linuxn00b: ask again in a bit if you do not get help now
18:08<linuxn00b>Too bad... its realy hard to get inside without any help
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18:21<linuxn00b>is this the official debian idle channel where everyone has to be quiet and get no answers
18:22<mercutio22>linuxn00b: whish I knew, sorry.
18:22<ml|>not everyone here knows everything, so be patient and ask again; search, read ML etc... while you wait
18:23<slush>linuxn00b: people have jobs, social lives, need sleep, etc .. even if they are looking on their screen to this channel, need the knowledge to help you, or simply don't want to ..
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18:23<linuxn00b>yes, i agree not everyone knows all, jobs, social life etc... but there are enough ppl in this chan...
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18:24<na5uta>what do you need?
18:24<linuxn00b>i dont know where i have to start, on windoze i would rebuild my boot partition which shows on my crypted disk
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18:25<linuxn00b>i installed default debian lenny with luks encryption with non splittet drive. after i used fsck something went wrong and i cannot boot
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18:25<linuxn00b>after i enter the password i get: command failed: device busy
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18:26<linuxn00b>it is not damaged, i can mount it.,,
18:26<linuxn00b>but i want do do it bootable again
18:26<na5uta>ctrl+d ?
18:26<linuxn00b>na5uta: it crashes after the first attempt
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18:27<linuxn00b>device busy or something
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18:27<dr|z3d>touch /fsck for force a check on reboot.
18:27<linuxn00b>dr|z3d: i cannot boot...
18:27<dr|z3d>linuxn00b: Try adding a wait to grub,. 10 seconds delay perhaps?
18:28<dr|z3d>I forget offhand the grub syntax.. others wil know.
18:28<linuxn00b>dr|z3d: i have enoug wait time, what i have to do there?
18:28<na5uta>which grub?
18:28<linuxn00b>na5uta: default debian lenny grub i gues, i did not changed anything there
18:28<na5uta>grub2 or the old?
18:28<linuxn00b>lenny 5.04
18:28<na5uta>i dont use lenny, never sorry
18:29<ml|>most likely grub-legacy
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18:29<na5uta>try supergrub
18:29<hermock>Hi everyone, I have an issue relative to the command : dd if=/dev/sr0 of=choeurs.iso Can anyone help me investigate thanks
18:29<linuxn00b>na5uta: how to try if i cannot boot?
18:30<adb>linuxn00b, add rootdelay=10 to kernel command line ...
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18:30<linuxn00b>adb: there is not a problem, i can get the boot string, wha i have to do there?
18:30<adb>linuxn00b, edit grub
18:31<ml|>menu.lst iirc
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18:31<linuxn00b>i am restarting now to get in the grub edit menu.. one second pl
18:32<ml|>oh, press e in grub
18:32<linuxn00b>yes that what i wanted to do
18:32<ml|>and try what adb suggested
18:34<ml|>< adb> linuxn00b, add rootdelay=10 to kernel command line ...
18:34<linuxn00b>ok, and now boot?
18:34<adb>use 'b'
18:34<winford_>back on sarge (and I think etch) I used to use a package that kept your choices from apt-get, aptitude and synaptic all synchronized, so that when you unistalled it "apt-get remove" aptitude would not try to reinstall it when it was run the next time... does it sill exist? and what is it called I can't remember...
18:35<ml|>so you use that line and not another
18:35<linuxn00b>ok, so i have to enter my passphrase to unlock...
18:35<linuxn00b>now the problem beginns
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18:36<themill>winford_: nothing like that should be required.
18:36<linuxn00b>then command failed: device buysy
18:36<linuxn00b>it shows command was successfull and 2 volumes are now active
18:36<hermock>I am trying to make an iso out of my dvdrom using dd if=/dev/sr0 of=choeurs.iso. It fails with an I/O issue can anyone help ?
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18:38<linuxn00b>it does not accept any password. after i "ctrl+d" several times i get (initramfs) _
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18:40<winford_>themill: It must be apt-get was pulling in a "recomended" package then (that I had by coincidence just removed a few hours ago using aptitude)
18:41<linuxn00b>does noone has any idea how to rebuild such things
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18:44<bja>!es-social jarex
18:44<dpkg>jarex: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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18:46<winford_>Is there a way in /etc/apt/preferences to not auto install recommends, just list them like it does with suggested packages?
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18:48<bja>winford_: there is
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18:48<winford_>I haven't seen that in the wiki...
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18:51<bja>winford_: echo "APT::Install-Recommends "0"; >> /etc/apt.conf
18:51<bja>winford_: echo APT::Install-Recommends "0"; >> /etc/apt.conf
18:51<themill>!apt recommends
18:51<dpkg>APT installs recommended packages by default since Lenny. To disable once, "aptitude -R install packagename" or "apt-get --no-install-recommends install packagename". To disable permanently, echo "APT::Install-Recommends no;" > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/no-recommends. By not installing "recommended" packages, you will not have functionality they provide. Squeeze's <D-I> installs recommended packages by default. See <why recommends>
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18:52<bja>themill: thx
18:52<winford_>bja & themill: thank you! I needed that
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18:53<ml|>can also do that for Install-Suggests if you like
18:53<themill>winford_: as a general rule, you want to install recommended packages and just disable it from time to time when it does something unwanted.
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18:55<winford_>themill: I usually do... but this one box is ridiculously resource limited and I have to carefully pick and choose...
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18:55<hermock>A goo will to help me investigate a bug with dd utils ?
18:56<winford_>It will be a little easier to add what I want than subtract...
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19:01<_Karsten>Just wondering what would be the best way for a bash script (and ultimately a C++ application) to get its current directory when run as part of $PATH
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19:02<_Karsten>pwd just gets the current working directory it seems
19:02<adb>$CDPATH ?
19:02<sney>well, if the script is located in $PATH, there's also which
19:03<_Karsten>ah ok... which would be a good idea for a batch script... what about for c++?
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19:03<hermock>Karsten : isn't it in C++ the first parameter of the args in the main loop (like args[0]) ?
19:03<_Karsten>adb: CDPATH would not work if it was run from any directory (coz the script is in the $PATH)
19:04<_Karsten>hermock: yes, but if the application is in the $path then it wouldnt contain that information :(
19:05<jMCg>I'm trying to upgrade a test server to Squeeze and I'm running into: - it says this will be fixed in 2.6.32-3 (but the warning is still there) - why is the Firmware not distributed?
19:06<themill>_Karsten: (basic summary -- don't go there)
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19:06<_Karsten>Hmm, that FAQ did suggest using a static location (near the bottom), The problem with that is that then I can not run it before I do a 'make install'. I.e if you compile xmoto (for example :p) you can run it after just a 'make', how do they get the paths relative to the dir?
19:06<edhunter>_Karsten: you could use getenv("PWD")
19:07<hermock>_Karsten: why not write a sh startup script that will give to the C++ its path in the argument of the program ?
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19:07<_Karsten>edhunter: still wont work if the app is run as part of the $PATH
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19:07<_Karsten>hermlock: Is that not a bit hacky?
19:07<edhunter>_Karsten: sorry didnt really follow the whole discussion..
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19:08<_Karsten>It is for a project called OpenCDE (a desktop environment) so I kinda want to leave the hacks out for a later date haha
19:08<jMCg>Anyway to fix this?
19:08<jMCg>(dpkg cannot unpack stuff..)
19:08<hermock>Karsten : what do you mean hacky ?
19:09<_Karsten>getting a script to start the application... (fine, xorg, xfce, gnome AND kde do that) but it is still not ideal
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19:10<_Karsten>I might just put in the limitation that it MUST always be run using a full or relative path to the program (not allowed to be added to $PATH)
19:10<themill>jMCg: that's not the entire error
19:11<hermock>_Karsten: a non elegant solution is better than none in the first step
19:11<_Karsten>true, but on the other side of the coin, simplicity is required :)
19:12<themill>jMCg: now read the output carefully. Particularly lines 5-14. Also /msg dpkg udev squeeze
19:13<hermock>_Karsten : alternaltively get the PATH variable an check if you find your program here... e
19:13<_Karsten>yes, I was thinking of that, but then I would need to scan every single directory listed in PATH...
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19:14<_Karsten>is that a normal solution?
19:14<hermock>why do you want to have this pathbtw ?
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19:15<_Karsten>because I need to find the ../etc ../share/opencde directories for the configuration / images respectively
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19:16<hermock>Still no candidate to help me on the dd issue when trying to make an iso of my Cdrom ?
19:17<hermock>_Karsten : personnal feeling : a script shell for launching the application would be good
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19:18<_Karsten>hermlock: "dd if=/dev/cdrom of=~/cdrom_image.iso" not working?
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19:19<hermock>_Karsten: I have an I/O error .... I first thought the device path was wrong but it isn'y. Alternaltivaly I think that some automounting process might keep the resource busy
19:20<_Karsten>I assume your user account definately has read access to /dev/cdrom?
19:20<jMCg>themill: ACK.
19:20<hermock>_Karsten: yep I used K3b to make a copy of this cdrom by copying the wav file
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19:21<hermock>_Karsten : I have a good workaround but it pisses me off that dd does nt work
19:21<_Karsten>To confirm your theory, boot into init 3 (or single user) and see if you can copy?
19:22<hermock> _Karsten I was fearing such answer
19:22<_Karsten>automounting always gave me trouble.. I like everything manual now
19:23<hermock>_Karsten : btw do you know wher the cdrom is automounted ? I was expecting /media/cdrom but it is not the case
19:23<winford_>_Karsten: are you talking about the system /etc or a another "../etc" in relation to your application...
19:25<_Karsten>the relative etc/
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19:25<_Karsten>my cdrom entry in /etc/fstab mounts to /media/cdrom
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19:26<hermock>_Karsten : I will try to correct my fstab which is incorrect. and try boot in level 3 ...
19:27<_Karsten>good luck :)
19:27<hermock>_Karsten : I'll be (gently) back
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19:29<mib_h90vkm>Guys, my biggest respect, I've download Lenny DVD on 64 bits.. all nice, But, I wanted to be on a partition of my fist HD, divided in 2, one for XP and 1 for linux, in this case Debian, well the installer, bootloader, is not very nice, yes it detects my XP, and ask me and assure that it's safe to make the MBR write... But screw up my installation... Same with
19:29<winford_>_Karsten: I would install the whole bundle into /usr (/local) /lib/app-folder and put a script into a /usr (/local) /bin to lauch it... then you could setup the environment there... added bounus is this is an easy place to load any user configs/overrides...
19:30<mib_h90vkm>Fedora and Sabayon (is gentoo but they put the same as Fedora, any way the only one that i can say it's a very smart one is the one from OpenSuse, and that distro is not nice, and has legal problems with the thing of MS.....
19:30<_Karsten>hmm, that is a solution. I still kinda want to get away from creating a script though
19:31<_Karsten>Although I will probably have to anyway to get it to launch the Motif Window Manager etc...
19:31<_Karsten>Guess I was just seeing if there was a single standardized way of doing it... Guess not lol
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19:33<_Karsten>hermlock: y0. any luck?
19:33<winford_>_Karsten: you could get fancier and write a true launcher app that did the same as your script... but for testing purposes the script will be much easier to alter.
19:33<bja>mib_h90vkm: As a rule of thumb, whenever i try to install debian on windows machine i first make room on the partition then i install the flavour of linux of the week
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19:34<_Karsten>winford_: But it may still not solve my problem, because I would have to hard code it script / launcher app) to run something at a certain path?
19:34<hermock>_Karsten : it looks like I do not know how to boot in level3... I thought init 3 was enought but I bet this is an option to the kernel at startup I bet ? can you help me out
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19:35<_Karsten>I think with debian you need to add single to the kernel line
19:35<_Karsten>try typing 'init 3' as root
19:35<hermock>I did that and nohing happened
19:35<hermock>I 'll d othe single mode ....
19:35<_Karsten>in the debian grub, there is an option (by default) for single user
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19:35<_Karsten>yeah try that
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19:38<thermo44>bja: Yes, i let the space, new, with no problems at all... 40g of ntfs space.... and in the other partition an XP new... no problems of space or fragmentation...
19:38<bja>any special hw?
19:39<thermo44>It has something to do, with how the registry goes.... Don't know how, but after installing the first time Sabayon and then... Yes, well I think is special, a workstation from HP opteron motherboard for 32g of ram
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19:40<thermo44>it's a Tyan but in order to boot i need to disable acpi and some cheat codes
19:41<thermo44>bja: xw9300 it's the model
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19:42<bja>thermo44: Sorry never heard of that model
19:42<thermo44>bja: it's like the old linux install, let info on the MBR and the other new linux is not intelligent enough to make a new one and
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19:44<thermo44>bja: thanks man, gonna try to install in a few minutes, bye
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19:47<hermock>I fail to mount my cdrom drive using the mount command but my File explorer properly mounts it ... any idea why ? I suspect the fstab to be incorrect. I have :
19:47<hermock>/dev/sr0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0
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19:48<titan8990>hermock: fails with what error?
19:50<hermock>titan8990 : mount: block device /dev/sr0 is write-protected, mounting read-only
19:50<hermock>mount: you must specify the filesystem type
19:50<hermock>This is an audio cdrom
19:50<titan8990>hermock: thats normal and non-fatal
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19:50<titan8990>hermock: your audio cd shouldn't be writable.... so its read-only
19:51<hermock> titan8990: I got the first warning what about the second one ?
19:51<titan8990>hermock: oh, 2nd error does matter. UDF only for dvds iso9660 for CDs
19:51<titan8990>hermock: mount -t iso9660 foo
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19:53<hermock>titan8990: I still cannot mount the cd in my dvdrom ...
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19:53<hermock>I try to specify iso9660 ... it does not complain but the cd is not readable in /media/cdrom0
19:54<_Karsten>hermock: in order to dd, you do not need it mounted
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19:54<hermock>_Karsten : thanks, I knew that.... nut I am trying an easier question since no one helped on the previous one :)
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19:55<_Karsten>lol ah ok
19:55<hermock>_Karsten and actually I realised I was unable to mount my cd mannually
19:56<_Karsten>looks like hald / kde? is really trying to take away all control
19:57<_Karsten>neways, I need to head off to bed early. I have a Microsoft Visual Studio conference to attend tomoz at 8:30 :(
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19:57<_Karsten>good luck with the mounting :)
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19:58<_Karsten>I hope they give out free coffee lol
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19:58<hermock>titan8990 and _Karsten: what is the fstype of an audio cd ?
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20:00<Rudd-O>hey guys. i am building a deb with debhelper, and some of the installed files need to be mode 0770 and owned by user tomcat6
20:00<Rudd-O>in rpm I have %perm(------) stanza
20:00<Rudd-O>equivalents in the debian packaging system?
20:01<jcole>Rudd-O: /j #debian-mentors
20:01<Rudd-O>thanks jcole
20:02<hermock>good night everyone, it is too late for me (French time) enjoy your day or night. Thanks
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20:05<styxcc>good ngiht
20:08<Rudd-O>no reply there
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20:14<bremner_>Rudd-O: Wait a bit longer
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20:38<opticon>when i installed debian on my server I also installed apache I have it working like I want but is their away that i can connect to the apache with web editing tools to modify site content?
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20:42<dr|z3d>opticon: connect to the apache?
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20:43<dr|z3d>opticon: apache serves your content.. you don't connect to apache to change anything.
20:43<dr|z3d>Rather you edit the content from wherever it's being served.
20:44<dr|z3d>If that's a remote location, you'd ftp in and upload content from you local system, usually.
20:44<rpetre>hello, are there any known grub/grub2/pygrub-related problems about lenny as dom0 and squeeze as domU? a short glance through bts found nothing of relevance
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20:46<opticon>I was hoping i could find away to make it easier to change website pages rather than using ftp to move what i need around
20:46<dr|z3d>You might install a file manager script on the webserver.
20:46<dondelelcaro>opticon: depends on what you want to use to edit it; there are numerous solutions depending on your workflow and the site
20:46<dondelelcaro>from rsync to PUSH to VCS
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20:48<rpetre>nevermind, i found #573311
20:48<Pitxyoki>Probably what you want is a CMS.
20:48<dr|z3d>He wants scripts, that much is obvious.. cms, maybe..
20:48<Pitxyoki>He wants to "modify site content".
20:49<dr|z3d>If he has a pre-exsting static site, a cms won't be much help unless he's prepared to migrate content.
20:49<opticon>im not sure what it would take just trying to describe what im looking to do
20:49<dr|z3d>A cms would require php and mysql, probably, though there are other backends.
20:50<Pitxyoki>opticon, do you want to handle the apache webserver configuration remotely or only the website's content that's visible to the visitors?
20:50<dr|z3d>And then you'd need to upload the script to the server, and run it. Sometimes you need to manually edit config files, sometimes you don't.
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20:50<dr|z3d>A good starter cms, and one that's easy to install and manage, is wordpress.
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20:52<dr|z3d>Once you've uploaded wordpress, you can manage your site, and the installation of wordpress, from within the browser.
20:53<dr|z3d> and for further info.
20:53<opticon>what i would like to do is be able to connect to the site and be able to modify the content
20:53<dr|z3d>Then wordpress is your man.
20:54<dr|z3d>It's very easy to manage, it provides the option to serve "static" pages, and you do all of that, once installed, from the browser.
20:55<dr|z3d>You'll need to have MySQL and PHP installed and configured to work with apache.
20:56<dr|z3d>For MySQL, no special apache fu is necessary; for PHP, you might get lucky and have the installation automagically modify your apache.conf, or you may need to edit that manually.
20:57<dr|z3d>So, you'd do well to read up on wordpress and how to deploy it, which will reference PHP and MySQL installation.
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20:58<opticon>all im using apache for on my debian box is to host static page with video tutorials nothing big
20:59<opticon>thanks but i think i will just stick with moving what i need around with ftp
20:59<dr|z3d>If you want to test out wordpress, you can sign up for a free hosted account at
21:00<opticon>i was just curious to know if there might be other ways that could work as good and better
21:00<dr|z3d>You'll not get the full benefit.. for example, you won't be able to install plugins..
21:00<opticon>im not looking for managed hosting that takes the fun out of it
21:00<dr|z3d>If you install wordpress yourself, you'll be able to install plugins to manage your video uploads and pretty much any other content you care to throw at it.
21:01<dr|z3d>I'm saying you can TESTDRIVE wordpress.
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21:04<dr|z3d>You're welcome.
21:04<opticon>thanks im looking into it now
21:11<Pitxyoki>Anyone there familiar with locks, mutexes, monitors and such?
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21:12<Pitxyoki>I have this piece of code:
21:13<Pitxyoki>Suppose a thread is running dequeue and is put to wait at line 33.
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21:14<Pitxyoki>When it is signaled by another thread running enqueue, who will continue execution? The one that signaled it until it reaches the mutex_unlock or the one that's been signaled?
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21:15<imna>how i can transmission torrent port
21:15<imna>is closed
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23:20<oo-dragon>hey all. I'm looking for a way to auto start a command after booting up in linux. It's actually smoothwall and not debian... It doesnt not seem to use rc.local
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23:21<sney>oo-dragon: then how can a bunch of debian users be expected to help?
23:21<dpkg>well, smoothwall is a firewall distro kinda, or a linux-based firewall product, at, or A 2 flavour firewall - "GPL""Commercial" for a fork of "GPL" without the deliberate crippling (such as ext2!!) see ipcop, or a 2 flavour firewall - "GPL""Commercial" for a fork of "GPL" without the deliberate crippling (such as ext2!!) see ipcop, or the "development" version of the commercial version of smoothwall, check out IPcop instead
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23:23<sney>or just install debian and use shorewall. it's what I did.
23:24<sney>ipcop is pretty decent though.
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23:29<oo-dragon>linux based
23:29<oo-dragon>and debian deals with linux :) i was hoping for a generic way to auto run something on linux
23:29<oo-dragon>sorry for the delay :P
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23:30<sney>oo-dragon: try ##linux on
23:30<oo-dragon>thanks I'll try that
23:32<oo-dragon>o... connection refused..
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23:48<vhann>Hi, is there a way to get my Debian server to renew its DHCP address automatically (I want to reboot my router remotedly, but the only access I have is by SSH through the Debian server)?
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23:49<sney>vhann: you can add dhclient to a crontab and it'll automatically renew on a given interval (say, an hour)
23:50<sney>and if you want to do it at a specific time say 3 minutes in the future, you can use the 'at' command
23:50<vhann>sney: Hum yeah, hadn't thought about using a cronjob
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