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---Logopened Thu Apr 15 00:00:10 2010
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00:05<vhann>sney: Oh well, seems like it worked. Thanks for the help ;)
00:05<sney>no problem
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01:41<florentin>the last update of my testing removed grub 2 :p
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01:47<jm_>so you're helping test it
01:51<greed>jm_: I would like but most of dependance are in conflict
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01:54<jm_>greed: yes, you're helping test squeeze for problems
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03:25<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>, <wl>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wimax>.
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03:59<dr3mro>please i need help compile nautilus actions 2.30.2
03:59<dr3mro>can any one compile it and give me deb
04:01<dr3mro>please i need help compile nautilus actions 2.30.
04:02<dr3mro>please i need help compile nautilus actions 2.30.2
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04:02<slush>repeating your question wont help
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05:18<www>dydy: hey , what's up?
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05:57<locsmif>Hello. In dpkg --get/set-selections, what does "purge" signify exactly? That a package is supposed to be purged on next upgrade? One such package (oss-compat) seems to be installed at the moment with dpkg listing its status as "Status: purge ok installed"
05:58<locsmif>Should I just apt-get --purge remove oss-compat ?
05:58<dr|z3d>purge = remove package *and* nuke related settings.
05:58<locsmif>I know, but what does it mean to put that in --set-selections?
05:58<locsmif>I only use "hold" and "install" there..
05:59<dr|z3d>Oh, man dpkg doesn't say?
05:59<locsmif>I tried looking it up
05:59<dr|z3d>Not specifically familar with purge in that context.
05:59*locsmif same here
06:02<locsmif>The thing is: I don't know which manual to consult about this.. indeed dpkg (1) doesn't list those various statuses with their exact meanings
06:03<dr|z3d>I wonder if it actually purges anything that's removed, rather than the normal uninstall?
06:04<locsmif>Hmm, sounds plausible to me
06:04<dr|z3d>Yeah, a cursory reading of the man page seems to indicate that.
06:07<www>locsmif : you can check out the FAQ
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06:13<locsmif>Well, dpkg (1) does say "The package is selected to be purged (i.e. we want to remove everything, even configuration files).
06:13<locsmif>So.. I guess that means purge on next upgrade..
06:13*locsmif can live with that
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06:17<Lareth>Hello I am trying to install VariCAD but it says that libc6 fails the dependency check. I seem to have libc6 v2.7.x while it asks for > 2.9
06:17<Lareth>I am running lenny. How can I install a compatible libc6?
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06:18<dr|z3d>judd: versions libc6
06:18<judd>libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1; etch-security: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1; lenny: 2.7-18lenny1; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny2; sid: 2.10.2-6; squeeze: 2.10.2-6; experimental: 2.11-0exp4
06:19<Lareth>dr|z3d, I see... But is there a way to make this work without having to upgrade to another version?
06:19<OdyX>Lareth: don't upgrade your Lenny libc6 … Find a previous version of your VariCAD
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06:20<Lareth>OdyX, hmmm I wish.. It is the version on their website. And the problem is that I need compatibility with Autocad. So going to a previous version is not really a viable option.
06:20<Lareth>Even if I could find it
06:20<OdyX>Lareth: believe me, changing your libc6 version is no option either
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06:21<OdyX>Lareth: you could try getting yourself a squeeze chroot
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06:22<Lareth>OdyX, meaning? I am a real newbie in the whole distro thing
06:22<OdyX>man chroot
06:22<jm_>that's one more reason not to do it
06:22<OdyX>(yeah, I was balancing between the RTFM and the "don't do it"
06:23<jm_>just to be clear - I am not saying (s)he should not use chroot, just that changing libc6 is a bad idea
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06:25<pythags12>hey all
06:26<Lareth>jm_, Ok I got the part that I should not change by libc6... So the way to make this work if I need it (which I do) would be to actually upgrade my distribution to sid or squeeze?
06:26<jm_>Lareth: that or install squeeze in chroot, but don't use sid as a newbie
06:27<Lareth>jm_, ok
06:27<pythags12>anyone got an ati graphics cards 57XX series workin gon their system.
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06:28<jMCg>jm_: "install squeeze in chroot, but don't use sid as a newbie" <<< So your run-of-the-mill newbie can install his OS in chroot?
06:28<pythags12>and if so how did u get to work..and how can i obtain..non-free driver for debians
06:28<pythags12>to make it work in deb
06:30<jm_>jMCg: those that can read can yes
06:30<jMCg>True dat.
06:30<jm_>plus people here would be much happier helping with that than with sid install
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06:38<bremner_>pythags12: are you sure you need the non-free driver? What chipset does your card have?
06:39<pythags12>hd 5770...radeon
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06:41<bremner_>pythags12: pastebin the output of lspci
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06:47<Torsten_W>xorg radeon does not support HD5xxx-series cards at the moment
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06:51<bremner_>yikes, its not even in the PCI database?
06:51<gsimmons>bremner_: No, it's in there.
06:52<bremner_>"VGA compatible controller" is not very informative. I was hoping for a chipset so I could check the radeonhd docs
06:53<gsimmons>judd: pciid 1002:68b8
06:53<judd>[1002:68b8] is 'Juniper [Radeon HD 5700 Series]' from 'ATI Technologies Inc' with kernel module 'ati-agp' in lenny. See also and the out-of-tree 'fglrx' module.
06:53<gsimmons>bremner_: Evergreen (R800) isn't supported by radeonhd, AFAIK.
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06:55<jm_>gotta love so many different names used to refer to modern hardware
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06:57<alison>does anyone know why rsync will not timeout and exit after a connection failure? it just hangs midway through the transfer indefinitely
06:57<bremner_>pythags12: ok sounds like you need to read
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06:59<pythags12>ok thx i have a look ...
06:59<saste>hi all
06:59<saste>i have an installation question tell me if this is not the right place
07:00<petemc>if you're installing debian it is
07:00<saste>well i'm going to install a debian on a system with a windows partition
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07:00<lancelot_of>hi all
07:00<saste>i'd like to install debian using lvm on a newly created partition
07:01<saste>following "guided partitioning" i just can see these options
07:01<saste>use the largest continuos free space
07:01<saste>use entire disk
07:01<saste>use entire disk and set up lvm
07:02<saste>use entire disk + encrypted lvm
07:02<saste>there is not an option for setting up lvm *and* not use the entire disk
07:02<saste>so my question is
07:02<saste>can I use LVM just on a partition
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07:02<saste>without to use the entire disk?
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07:03<lancelot_of>i can print everything from any software on my debian system, but if i try to print from qtiplot i get in CUPS the following message: ""/usr/lib/cups/filter/pdftoraster failed"" and the job is not printed, any suggestion?
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07:04<lancelot_of>the problem occurs only on my own printer but not on others, so something conflicts between qtiplot and printer, i guess...
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07:06<gsimmons>saste: Yes, you can use partman for this. You will need to format the new partition for LVM use, initialize that as a physical volume, create a volume group, create logical volumes, then create filesystems within each logical volume and assign mount points.
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07:06<saste>gsimmons: do i need to delete the already existing windows partition in order to do that?
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07:07<saste>gsimmons: do you know if it is possible to do that from the installer?
07:08<gsimmons>saste: If there is no unallocated space, you will need to make some. partman can resize (shrink) both the filesystem and the partition as directed, but it's recommended to have a backup in any event.
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07:09<saste>gsimmons: I have 80 GB free space and one primary windows partition
07:10<saste>gsimmons: but this partman thing... do i need a live distro for that right?
07:10<gsimmons>saste: No. Have you read the Debian Installation Guide?
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07:11<saste>gismmons: ehm no i installed debian many times but never used lvm
07:11<saste>gsimmons: read about it and it is so compelling i wanted to try it out
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07:12<gsimmons>saste: Use of partman is better explained in the Guide ; /msg dpkg install guide
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07:18<saste>gsimmons: found! I'm working through that many thanks
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07:26<saste>ok now I have a logical volume named main on a dedicated partition
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07:26<saste>i guess now I have to create a logical volume for each "logical" partition right?
07:27<saste>I mean a LV for home, a LV for /..., swap ...
07:28<jm_>if you want to go that route yes
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07:30<saste>jm_: first timer here but what i'm trying to do looks like it makes sense at least to me ;-)
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07:31<jm_>saste: for a desktop install having just one (well one extra for swap) partition is good enough
07:31<saste>jm_: yes I have swap home and root
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07:32<jm_>saste: sure, go ahead
07:32<saste>ext3 or ext4?
07:32<saste>it's a desktop system
07:32<jm_>pick ext3 if you're not sure
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07:35<saste>jm_: there is some compelling reason for not choosing ext4 over ext3?
07:36<jm_>saste: yes, there are still some problems with it, but depending on kernel version you're going to use, that might change things
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07:38<saste>jm_: ok i'll be coward and go with ext3
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07:58<Slydder>hey all
07:59<Slydder>am working on a postinst script for a package and would like to be able to ask a yes/no question during that phase. preferably it should look like a ucf window. any ideas?
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08:25<cyrus82>Hi, can somebody explain in a few words what it means when a debian package has "dsfg" in its name?
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08:27<dpkg>methinks dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at
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08:29<bremner_>cyrus82: it means that the author shipped things that debian doesn't want to or can't ship
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08:32<cyrus82>bremner_, thank you
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08:38<april2010>hey guys I removed gnome and installed gnome-core and now every CD I put into the cdrom is empty. I must be missing a library or something. Any idea?
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08:38<april2010>brasero seems to be able to read and extract data from discs but I can't see them using the FM
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08:40<april2010>any idea?
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08:48<dr|z3d>locsmif: You get my link?
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08:48<laura10>quien eres?
08:49<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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08:49<madduck>is there an automated way to turn .doc files into .pdf files?
08:49<bremner_>email them to a grad student?
08:49<zumbi>madduck: antiword -> txt -> pdf ?
08:50<madduck>zumbi: no, i want ooffice export basically
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08:50<bremner_>sorry, yea there is some scriptable ooffice thing. unoconv or something like that
08:50<april2010>any help on my cdrom guys?
08:50<bremner_>april2010: you will have to be patient.
08:51<april2010>bremner_, I am
08:51<laura10>quien habla español?????
08:51<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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08:54<dr|zed>!ops please remove laura10
08:54<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: dr|zed complains about: please remove laura10
08:54<laura10>,fehgqugugqueghqcghh bzhhhadhhhcihvbusdv dubjbbdhubvb
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08:55<madduck>bremner_: checking it out now. thanks!
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09:01<madduck>bremner_: awesome, thanks!
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09:27<flyeng4>I was over at ##cups on freenode and no one was on. I need help debugging cups. Anyone cups savy?
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09:29<locsmif>dr|z3d: yes, thanks!
09:30<locsmif>I was watching some TV just now, sorry for the delay. I also discovered that you can switch using shift when you click reply or compose!
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09:34<bremner_>flyeng4: are you running ups on Debian?
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09:35<bremner_>ask away then
09:35<flyeng4>I am having trouble adding a cups-pdf printer
09:35<flyeng4>I have added it but can't print to it
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09:36<flyeng4>right now I have deleted it and I'm starting over ... but I keep getting client-error-document-format-not-supported
09:37<flyeng4>In my access_log
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09:40<flyeng4>dpkg-reconfigure seemed to help out
09:42<flyeng4>I can now print with most applications but I am having trouble printing with Varicad (my 3d cad program). What driver is recommended for using with cups-pdf?
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09:45<bremner_>flyeng4: can you print to a printer from that application already? I would guess that you need to send PostScript or plain text to it. But that is just a guess.
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09:45<flyeng4>I can print just fine to my inkjet
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09:49<locsmif>I appears that the enigmail maintainers are a bit behind on times
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09:50<locsmif>Namely, Debian Unstable upgrade of Icedove wants to remove Enigmail
09:51<and1bm>hi, I want to define a system wide default wallpaper for debian-edu, in kde3 this was done by a kdesktoprc file in some KDEDIRS. This does not work anymore. Any ideas how can it be done for kde4?
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09:53<locsmif>and1bm: did you ask in #kde ?
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09:54<locsmif>and1bm: (on Freenode)
09:54<and1bm>locsmif: tried #plasma (no answer yet); good idea will try there.
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09:55<locsmif>and1bm: okay. because there's like 400 KDE freaks probably itching to answer your question there
09:56<and1bm>locsmif: right, hehe :)
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09:58<locsmif>and1bm: see! :D
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10:03<jthomas_sb>I've a dual-boot laptop and the Debian root partition is nearly always full, while the MS side has 5GB free. I'd like to move the /tmp/ and the /var/cache/apt/ directories onto the MS NTFS side. Can I just move them and mount with ntfs-3g or would I be better off using encfs or something else that will store the data/directories in a file?
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10:16<dark_farmer>Heyo, So i have 20gb free on my hard drive here and it has windows vista installed on it. It should be possible to get debian going and then just transfer files over right?
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10:18<dark_farmer>from the vista partition to a debian partition?
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10:24<dude2340>i am a big fan of linux but dont know have much experience in hosting and would like to know some information
10:24<dude2340>which server is best in hosting website build in Java
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10:25<petemc>dude2340: try ##linux on freenode, everyone uses debian here
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10:26<dude2340>sorry i mean debian
10:28<franki^>"Which server is best?" is quite a vague question, perhaps you will get a better answer if you're more specific.
10:28<franki^>But, I'm probably unable to help you in any case.
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10:45<osiris>ciao a tutti
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10:46<osiris>come faccio a installare flash player su debian lenny x64?
10:46<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
10:46<osiris>ok grazie
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11:15<archpollux>hi all
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11:16<archpollux>i need to rip a bad IDE drive out of an LVM2, but it says it's still being used, how do I force it?
11:16<dr|z3d>Turn your pc off first?
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11:19<Guest2579>I need a book about Knoppix anyone can help plz
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11:21<Torsten_W>buy one
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11:21<Torsten_W>and here is #debian, not #knoppix
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11:22<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unofficial: <Debian-live> is the Debian equivalent for publishing live systems.
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11:44<saste>hi all how unstable are the "testing" netinst debian CD?
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11:44<saste>today I tried two times to install debian I suceeded into installing them but then i can't login due to "incorrect login"
11:44<petemc>they've been known to be broken, but they more often than not work, in that you can install with them
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11:45<sney>the nightly builds were having some issues recently, use the alpha installer
11:45<saste>the first time I believe I actually forgot the password to use
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11:45<saste>the second time I blamed debian for that...
11:46<saste>sney: do you have a link to it?
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11:47<sney>check the errata and the known issues first
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11:49<saste>yes do you guys known of some issue which could explain the login failure i reported
11:49<saste>i was using lvm not sure that could be related though
11:50<saste>no errato doesn't mention nothing apparently related
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12:22<stuckey>I did "aptitude install netbeans-ide" and I saw Get:15 sid/contrib netbeans-platform 6.0.1+dfsg-3 [6,047kB]
12:22<stuckey>But I'm running squeeze
12:22<stuckey>Why is it downloading stuff from sid?
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12:24<sney>stuckey: are you running a testing-unstable mix? if you are it'll download stuff from sid if squeeze doesn't have a candidate.
12:24<sney>judd: versions netbeans-platform
12:24<judd>netbeans-platform -- lenny/contrib: 6.0.1+dfsg-2; sid/contrib: 6.0.1+dfsg-3
12:24<stuckey>sney: oh, no netbeans in squeeze then
12:24<sney>so it seems
12:24<stuckey>sney: how do I get the real java ?
12:25<stuckey>like the sun java
12:25<titan8990>,versions sun-java6-jre
12:25<judd>sun-java6-jre -- etch-backports/non-free: 6-07-3~bpo40+1; lenny/non-free: 6-12-1; sid/non-free: 6-16-1; squeeze/non-free: 6-16-1; sid/non-free: 6-17-1; sid/non-free: 6.19-1
12:25<sney>yeah, it's in non-free.
12:25<stuckey>aptitude install sun-java6-jre?
12:25<stuckey>that will replace whatever java free version I have installed now?
12:26<sney>there's the jdk if you need development stuff too
12:26<titan8990>stuckey: install it from non-free and run update-java-alternatives --config foo if you already have existing java
12:26<titan8990>stuckey: no, it doesn't replace it
12:26<stuckey>okay I have to run update-java-laternative s--config
12:26<titan8990>stuckey: update-java-alternatives will replace it as the default
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12:27<stuckey>titan8990: eh, that gives me usage options
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12:27<titan8990>stuckey: and you can't figure it out?
12:28<sney>read the instructions, they are your friend
12:28<Unmenschlich>hello, when starting icedove i get the following, after my dist-upgrade today: LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/lib/amd64/ [ cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory]
12:29<titan8990>stuckey: that is normal output, because you didn't have jdk installed
12:29<stuckey>titan8990: do I need jdk?
12:29<titan8990>stuckey: so you are using sun for runtime (jre) and openjdk for dev kit
12:29<titan8990>stuckey: idk, do you?
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12:29<stuckey>titan8990: how do I see what all java I have installed?
12:29<stuckey>titan8990: from the open java thing
12:30<stuckey>titan8990: I want to remove that and replace it with java, java
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12:30<titan8990>stuckey: i haven't a clue what your after
12:31<titan8990>stuckey: java -version
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12:31<stuckey>titan8990: isn't there a free version of java?
12:31<titan8990>stuckey: gcj and openjdk
12:31<stuckey>titan8990: what does jdk do?
12:32<titan8990>stuckey: java development kit
12:32<titan8990>,info sun-java6-jdk
12:32<judd>sun-java6-jdk (non-free/devel, optional): Sun Java(TM) Development Kit (JDK) 6. Version: 6-12-1; Size: 17106.5k; Installed: 54736k; Homepage:
12:33<stuckey>titan8990: I found openjdk in dpkg and removed all of the packages.
12:33<titan8990>that was completely unessecarry, but ok....
12:34<stuckey>but if I go to install eclipse, it wants to install openjdk again
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12:37<salman>I can not connect to the internet. I have a small LAN, with router/gateway. I edited the gateway line in interfaces file and did a ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0 to disable the gateway while still being able to access the network. I tried a usb 3G modem for a while. Later on the day I un-commented the gateway line back and did an ifdown/ifup again. now I can not access the internet. not even pinging google
12:37<salman>here is my interfaces file: , route: , ifconfig:
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12:40<titan8990>salman: use route -n
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12:41<titan8990>salman: also, what does resolv.conf look like?
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12:42<salman>will check them..
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12:47<salman_>titan8990, route -n: , resolv.conf :
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12:47<stuckey>How can I install eclipse without installing openjava?
12:47<stuckey>same thing with netbeans
12:47<stuckey>I want to use it with real java
12:48<mjt>install openjava and "real" java
12:48<bja>salman_: is that your full resolv.conf?
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12:48<dr|z3d>stuckey: is it a dependency, or a recommendation?
12:49<dr|z3d>judd depends eclipse
12:49<judd>eclipse -- depends: eclipse-jdt (= 3.2.2-6.1), eclipse-pde (= 3.2.2-6.1), eclipse-source (= 3.2.2-6.1), zenity, libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0).
12:49<stuckey>dr|z3d: dependency
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12:49<dr|z3d>Doesn't look to be.
12:49<salman_>bja, yes
12:49<stuckey>dr|z3d: The following NEW packages will be installed:
12:49<stuckey>dr|z3d: under that it lists openjdk, etc.
12:50<dr|z3d>In which case, aptitude install <package> -R will ensure you don't install recommended packages, I think.
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12:50<mjt>no, it's not recommends
12:50<mjt>it's alternative
12:50<mjt>Depends: default-jre | java5-runtime | java6-runtime
12:50<mjt>(for eclipse-jdt)
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12:50<stuckey>mjt: good. How do I get it to NOT install openjava
12:50<bremner_>so install java6-runtime first
12:50<mjt>install any of the other alternatives
12:50<bja>salman_: you have no dns resolution. ping will fail, but ping should work
12:51<stuckey>mjt: yeah, so I just have to know what to install first.
12:51*stuckey doesn't know what to install
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12:51<stuckey>java6-runtime is installed
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12:52<mjt>aptitude should be able to offer some variations
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12:52<thrice>anyone per chance know of a lighter-weight pidgin package, free of gstreamer/gconf items ?
12:53<mjt>"free" ?
12:53<stuckey>Does anyone here know how I can use the regular version of java instead of this openjava thing?
12:53<stuckey>Aptitude installs it automatically
12:53<stuckey>But I want java from sun, not open java.
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12:53<thrice>mjt, "not compiled against and dependent upon"
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12:54<mjt>thrice: actually pidgin in debian is linked with libgstreamer, -- that's all
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12:55<mjt>thrice: it does not depend on all the plugins
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12:55<thrice>I see gconf too
12:55<mjt>it's the same question : is it depends or recommends the whole thing? And it recommends the thing, not depends on it
12:56<mjt>and gconf is for glib
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12:56<stuckey>sun-java6-jre and sun-java6-jdk are installed, but aptitude still must install openjava stuff to install eclipse.
12:56<thrice>I hope your joking. of course glib does not require gconf
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12:56<stuckey>Wouldn't you consider that a dependency?
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12:56<stuckey>Why is openjava a dependency? Why can't I choose which java I want?
12:56<stuckey>I want some freedom damn it
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12:57<thrice>gconf is a hard-dependency, which then pulls in gconf-common, some more dbus stuff, etc
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12:57<bja>stuckey: get the source code fix and recompile
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12:57<salman__>bja, true, I added nameserver to resolv.conf and it worked.. thank you
12:57<titan8990>sorry, just saw your message salman_
12:57<bja>salman__: yw
12:57<thrice>nooo, i switched this box to debian to avoid compiling
12:58<titan8990>salman_: along with that, you might consider installing the package resolvconf and configuring the nameserver in /etc/network/interfaces
12:58<centyx>thrice: why must you have pidgin anyway
12:58<thrice>do you have some alternative for instant messaging, outside of gnome+kde? :)
12:58<centyx>thrice: bitlbee works great
12:58<stuckey>bja: huh?
12:59<centyx>thrice: allows you to use your irc client
12:59<stuckey>bja: I have to use openjava?
12:59<stuckey>Or otherwise compile it myself?
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13:00<titan8990>,depends eclipse
13:00<judd>eclipse -- depends: eclipse-jdt (= 3.2.2-6.1), eclipse-pde (= 3.2.2-6.1), eclipse-source (= 3.2.2-6.1), zenity, libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0).
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13:00<titan8990>stuckey: where does it say it depends on openjdk?
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13:00<stuckey>titan8990: how do I install eclipse without using openjdk?
13:00<titan8990>,depends eclipse-jdt
13:00<judd>eclipse-jdt -- depends: eclipse-platform (= 3.2.2-6.1), junit (>= 3.8), junit4, ant-optional (>= 1.6.5-3).
13:01<stuckey>titan8990: aptitude install eclipse installs openjdk
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13:01<titan8990>stuckey: lets see the pastebin
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13:02<centyx>pastebin sounds like a crude mode of torture, or entertainment... whichever way you look at it
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13:02<titan8990>stuckey: why do I see netbeans in there to?
13:03<stuckey>titan8990: because that was the output for aptitude install netbeans
13:03<titan8990>stuckey: you said eclipse?
13:03<stuckey>titan8990: You really want eclipse?
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13:03<stuckey>titan8990: Because, if you really want eclipse output, I'll give you that too. I got all kinds of output here.
13:04<stuckey>there's you some eclipse output
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13:04<centyx>To the pastebin with you!
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13:07<mjt>here it happily uses java6-runtime
13:07<mjt>without any attempt to install openjava
13:08<mjt>but i rarely install recommends:
13:08<titan8990>mjt: it depends on openjdk...
13:08<titan8990>mjt: its not a recommends
13:08<mjt>i mean eclipse, not netbeans
13:08<titan8990>stuckey: try eclipse without recommends
13:09<stuckey>Oh, well, it does depend on openjava doesn't it.
13:09<titan8990>,depends netbeans-platform
13:09<judd>netbeans-platform -- depends: openjdk-6-jdk.
13:09<mjt>netbeans - yes. eclipse - no
13:09<stuckey>eclipse yes
13:10<titan8990>stuckey: are you sure it doesn't recommend openjdk?
13:10<mjt>aha. in squeeze
13:10<mjt>in lenny it just recommended it
13:10<mjt>but in squeeze both depends on openjdk
13:10<stuckey>titan8990, I can't install it without installing open java
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13:11<titan8990>stuckey: even without recommends?
13:11<stuckey>titan8990: without recommends?
13:11<titan8990>stuckey: apt-rdepends eclipse | grep openjdk returns null
13:11<titan8990>stuckey: --without-recommends
13:11<stuckey>titan8990: aptitude install --without-recommends eclipse?
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13:12<stuckey>titan8990: if so, then yes
13:12<stuckey> libxerces2-java{a} openjdk-6-jre-headless{a} openjdk-6-jre-lib{a} sat4j{a} tzdata-java{a}
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13:13<titan8990>stuckey: don't know what to tell you
13:14<stuckey>my output is different
13:14<stuckey>titan8990: what are you running? sid?
13:15<centyx>[ 1:10]< mjt> but in squeeze both depends on openjdk
13:16<mjt>stuckey: so just do what i suggested in the beginning: let it install openjdk.
13:16<mjt>they will happily co-exist with each other
13:16<stuckey>mjt: then I re-update alternatives, and openjdk gets to just eat space on my disc?
13:16<stuckey>that's dumb
13:17<mjt>are you want a taxi or to move on?
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13:17<mjt>that's not that much diskspace to even think about
13:18<stuckey>How much?
13:18<mjt>aptitude will tell you
13:18<mjt>for the whole thing
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13:19<mjt>you can install just the jdk thing it tries to install and see it only. but 200mb for whole eclipse + jdk isn't big
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13:19<mjt>just a mouse driver these days "weights" 90Mb
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13:19<stuckey>now eclipse can't lanuch programs... Could not find the main class: sun.applet.AppletViewer. Program will exit.
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13:22<mjt>but were it able to run programs before you installed it?
13:22<stuckey>Exception in thread "main" java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: Can't load library: /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/lib/amd64/xawt/
13:22<stuckey>get that if I change to open java
13:22<stuckey>I hate java
13:22<mjt>how it worked before you installed it?
13:22<stuckey>I don't know
13:22<stuckey>If I knew I wouldn't be asking
13:23<mjt>how a non-existing thing is able to work?
13:23<mjt>it did not exist. How it worked??
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13:37<stuckey>Anyone know why my eclipse is messed up and wont run programs after trying to install sun java?
13:37<themill>.oO( ... maybe there was a reason why it wanted openjdk ... )
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13:39<stuckey>themill: it has its openjdk now and it won't run
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13:44<johnfg>Got a problem with the lxsession thing.
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13:48<johnfg>I can do a console login, but get this error after login to the gnome desktop: your session only lasted less than 10 seconds.
13:48<johnfg>Then I'm back at the login screen.
13:49<johnfg>What's up with this?
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13:51<saste>today I have no luck into installing debian
13:51<saste>third attempt and yet no cigar
13:51<saste>there is this weird problem at login it seems it doesn't accept the password
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13:52<saste>it isn't the first time i'm installing debian i'm using LVM it could depend on that?
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13:52<johnfg>saste: Are you trying to install the latest from testing/squeeze?
13:53<johnfg>If so, it's a problem with the installer.
13:53<saste>johnfg: tried both nigthly netinst / squeezy
13:53<saste>johnfg: then I tried with the alpha version and got the same problem
13:53<johnfg>What the folks here said to do/try was the lenny installer.
13:53<saste>johnfg: well I also tried with that (that was my third attempt)
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13:53<johnfg>It *should* install squeeze from the advanced options.
13:54<johnfg>saste: Can't help you any more or offer any more suggestions, because I didn't go past the two failed attempts with the squeeze installer.
13:54<saste>and I faced a different problem (failed dring configuration then he asked me to configure lilo and failed with a weird message)
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13:55<saste>johnfg: yes I know i'm just giving expression to my frusstration right now...
13:55<johnfg>Didn't try the advanced options from lenny to install squeeze.
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13:55<johnfg>saste: Do you have lenny installed?
13:55<saste>johnfg: i'll try that as the last attempt
13:55<bja>saste: use a password that only uses ascii characters. Its been an isue sometimes
13:56<saste>johnfg: but my feeling is that lvm may be somehow involved ... just a suspect (maybe without foundation)
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13:56<saste>bja: yes I choose a very simple password "root"
13:57<titan8990>saste: lvm shouldn't be an issue unless you trying to put /boot on the lvm
13:58<saste>titan8990: well I was just using the typical home / swap in three different partitions
13:58<titan8990>saste: all on lvm?
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13:58<saste>titan8990: yes
13:58<titan8990>saste: you can't do that. you need to either put / on a primary partition or make /boot its own primary partition
13:58<saste>titan8990: are you suggesting that i should use a dedicated non-LVM partition for the boot?
13:59<titan8990>grub2 might be able to boot it, I am not certain however
13:59<titan8990>saste: I am saying that grub 1 will not boot that setup
13:59<saste>titan8990: then just after the boot (before the login failure) i noticed grub wasn't recognizing the windows partition
14:00<titan8990>i didn't see the beginning of the issue. why are you installing squeeze?
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14:00<saste>titan8990: because I'm gonna to use squeezy... lenny is quite outdated right now..
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14:01<titan8990>saste: testing is not the bleeding-edge version of debian..
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14:05<saste>titan8990: so are you suggesting to create a primary partition with boot *and* put the rest of the system on the LVM partition?
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14:07<johnfg>Anyone have any insight about the login failure?
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14:07<bja>johnfg: check out /var/log/* i am sure the answear is somewhere around there
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14:09<saste>well I'll try some other combination... i'll resort to ubuntu if all else fails :-(
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14:13<saste>how can I debug an installation failure?
14:13<saste>I mean there is some specific log I can check?
14:14<butzE>what installation
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14:14<saste>butzE: debian installation
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14:17<kd35a>Hi, does anyone recognize how the tabs look here, with just the image, no text?
14:17<kd35a>google wan't give me anything
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14:18<butzE>kd35a: whats that? iceweasel?
14:18<kd35a>i hope so, or FF
14:18<kd35a>but i'm not shure
14:19<thrice>that's opera
14:19<kd35a>thrice: ahh, ok, thanks for the answer :)
14:19<butzE>kd35a: think its an add on
14:19<jackz>how do I update grub2?
14:20<butzE>kd35a: you can use that add on for
14:20<thrice>jackz, grub-install
14:20<kd35a>butzE: thanks, shall take a look at it :)
14:21<jackz>titan8990: thanks
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14:25<butzE>saste: whats the installation error about?
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14:25<titan8990>butzE: he is trying to boot an install that has /boot on a LVM
14:26*titan8990 doesn't know why he is still asking about it
14:26<saste>butzE: i had many failed debian installatation failures today, so I wondered how may I debug things
14:27<butzE>hm.. i think you need to correct step by step
14:27<saste>butzE: I mean general hint for example at some point the installer told me "Sorry an installation step failed" that wasn't much helpful
14:27<nathan>hi, i'm trying to install flash player on my lenny for iceweasel but after downloads the .deb on the official flash website and and make a dpkg -i on it i don't know how to do.
14:27<saste>butzE: i suppose there is some log where to check where the exact error is
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14:28<stuckey>Can anyone here tell me why my eclipse install doesn't work?
14:28<saste>nathan: open firefor and try yhe "about:plugins" page
14:28<saste>nathan: that will tell you if you have the plugin installed
14:29<nathan>saste, yeah i've already done it, x-shockwave-flash and futuresplash are installed
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14:30<titan8990>saste: ctrl+alt+f1-5 for debugging screens
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14:31<titan8990>nathan: flash from is generally not supported here. uninstall it and use flashplugin-nonfree from lenny-backports (assuming your running lenny)
14:31<butzE>saste: i thinks /var/log/installer/syslog gives information about the installation
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14:31<saste>butzE: yeah thanks
14:32<butzE>stuckey: my crystal ball said no
14:33<stuckey>do I just need to re-install debian?
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14:37<nathan>titan8990, i do like it's explain over here but i'm not abble to watch a video on you tube for example
14:38<nathan>titan8990, ho
14:38<nathan>titan8990, it work, just after a iceweasel reboot ^^
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14:38<titan8990>nathan: ah, good
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14:46<edrz>cups hates me
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14:49<bja>edrz: Everyone does, it is just that cups has enough guts to tell you :)
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14:49<edrz>ah. thanks bja
14:50<edrz>the world makes more sense now.
14:51<bja>Good to be of assistance
14:51<edrz>sometimes whining fixes problesm
14:51<edrz>now cups tolerates me.
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15:05<saste>I finally got a minimal debian installed, problem is now grub doesn't show the windows entry at boot
15:07<saste>which is the command to re-configure grub?
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15:09<dr|z3d>dpkg-reconfigure grub?
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15:10<cahoot>saste: grub or grub2?
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15:11<cahoot>saste: if grub2 make sure os-prober is installed
15:12<saste>cahoot: grub 1.98
15:12<cahoot>grub2 then
15:12<saste>cahoot: os-prober is installed
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15:40<adsl>hay algun espa;ol
15:41<themill>!ubuntu-es adsl
15:41<dpkg>adsl: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en Ahi recibira mas soporte.
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15:43<adsl>normalmente estoy con squezze pero estoy probando esto por curiosidad nunca use el xchat
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15:49<ilp>hou speak russian?
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15:50<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ or use English here.
15:51<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ or use English here.
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15:53<morbaq>hi all. do you have any ideas where to start finding out why my lenny HTPC with mythtv drops its internet connection? the only way i found to get it back is to reboot.
15:53<morbaq>ifdown/up doesn't work. neither does networking restart
15:54<morbaq>it seems (not verified) that it only drops it when the mythtv frontend is running
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15:55<edrz>themill: do you know how aptitude determins which packages can't be downloaded?
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15:56<themill>edrz: it looks at what packages+versions aren't available in your current sources.list
15:56<edrz>i have a vague notion ... i.e. what is not available from the sources in sources.list, but I mean, where is this stored?
15:56<dr|z3d>edrz: If they're not in the repository, for one. For two, dependency conflicts..
15:56<edrz>dr|z3d: this is wrt aptitude search ~o
15:56<edrz>(moving conversation here from -mentors)
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15:57<dr|z3d>edrz: /etc/apt/*
15:57<dr|z3d>Dig around in there..
15:57<themill>edrz: it looks through the packages lists in /var/lib/apt/lists/
15:57*dr|z3d shuts up.
15:57<edrz>themill: thanks
15:57<edrz>dr|z3d: no need
15:58<dr|z3d>My information was defective. *hangs head*
15:58<edrz>dr|z3d: well, my context was not transferred, so you are far from blame. :)
15:58<ml|>dpkg: comfort dr|z3d
15:58<dpkg>There, there, dr|z3d. It's OK. I'm here for you.
15:59<dr|z3d>edrz: Too kind :)
15:59<edrz>dr|z3d: only sometimes.
15:59<dr|z3d>!beer channel
15:59*dpkg deftly decants a fine Piraat for channel
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16:01<edrz>oops, seems I have that port blocked.
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16:21<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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16:21<edrz>ah. too slow
16:21*edrz attempting to be a cultural chameleon.
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16:22<przemoc86>hi, what have changed in squeeze, that after upgrade from lenny and invoking: fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image kernel_headers in kernel sources and installing newly created kernel-image initrd wasn't created?
16:22<[Evan]>I'm planning a new architecture to dpkg; is there any documentation on adding a new arch to dpkg?
16:22<tschwinge>I have installed a package with apt-get --no-install-recommends P. Now I want to additionally install P's recommends. How to do that in an antomated fashion?
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17:09<Tom__>I watched Plan 9 From Outer Space last night. It was priceless
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17:10<Tom__>I'll tell my mom about it
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17:31<Graveworm>Hi! Is there a possibility to log what happens on my ide ports? I'm running debian linux kernel 2.6.32-3. I think something is wrong with my board because if there are long lasting tasks on one of my harddisks (as merging snapshots with virtualbox or rsyncing the whole partition) my pc often (nearly every time) crashes (scroll and caps lock are blinking). There is nothing to read about that in dmesg, syslog and so on. So I think I n
17:31<Graveworm>eed something to debug the port. But is there also a way to do that in human readable format? I'm able to understand whats going on in syslog or so but I think just reading memory dumps are not meaningful to me.
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17:31<Graveworm>Or any other hints? Because also my iceweasel often crashes if it should play videos as on (almost everytime after 30sec to 1 minute) , youtube (seems to run more stable) and so on. Another thought is some trouble with my ati card (or driver). But that doesn't explain the crashes during "heavy" hard disk access, doesn't it?
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17:31<mercutio22>can someone recommend me a channel to discuss bash scripting?
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17:32<retrospectacus>mercutio22: #bash on
17:32<butzE>mercutio22: #bash
17:32<mercutio22>retrospectacus: thanks
17:33<butzE>Graveworm: what about /var/log/syslog
17:34<Graveworm>Nothing to read there. It looks normal until the machine crashes. Then the next entry ist "rebooting" :\.
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17:35<Graveworm>A lot of entries about connection attempts on my eth0 in syslog. Nothing special apart from that.
17:35<butzE>Analysis and Reporting Technology System (S.M.A.R.T.) built into most modern ATA and SCSI disks. It is derived from smartsuite
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17:36<Graveworm>Oh, sry, I forgot. Smartmontools says the disks are ok.
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17:37<Graveworm>Nothing :\. It says the file system is clean. Apart from after a crash of course ^^.
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17:38<Graveworm>I also changed the ide cables, but there is still the same error.
17:38<butzE>do you see an error?
17:39<Graveworm>No, as I mentioned. Everything looks fine until the scroll and caps lock begins to blink and the machine is dead.
17:39<butzE>does it freeze or shutdown?
17:39<Graveworm>Just freeze.
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17:40<Graveworm>Sometimes it kicks me off to the login screen (closes x server).
17:40<bja>Graveworm: Sound like a hw problem. clean the fan and the cpu heat disipator. Or go to your providers web site and look for the info the blinking leds are giving you
17:40<butzE>something in the xserver log?
17:41<Graveworm>As I remember the blinking led said that the kernel has died with a panic. But no further info about that.
17:41<Graveworm>The fans are running an everything is almost clean^^.
17:41<Graveworm>butzE: No thining special there at all.
17:42<Graveworm>bja: I also think thats something wrong with my hw. Thats why a askes for a debug method of my ide ports.
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17:43<bja>Graveworm: i wouldn't believe the hdd is the problem, blinking leds give information on hw status or failure. They never give status on sw isues
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17:44<Graveworm>bja: But the machine is often failing when there is a lot of traffic on the ide. As I said merging snapshots or doing backups. If there is only minor use of the hdds then the machine is usually running fine four hours.
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17:44<butzE>Graveworm: maybe a memory problem
17:45<butzE>what about the heat?
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17:45<Graveworm>butzE: Ahm, also I forgot ;). I had check the ram with memtest for several hours but there where no error with that.
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17:45<bja>Graveworm: replace the drive
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17:46<bja>if the point of suspected failure is that, go and replace it asap
17:46<Graveworm>Also the temp seems to be fine. Nothing special on the cpu, hdds. I have no sensors on the RAM.
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17:47<Graveworm>bja: But should'nt smart report me about errors on the drive? It says the drive is ok.
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17:48<bja>Graveworm: Theory is one thing, reality is an other. If external symptoms point that way, why do you want to wait.
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17:49<Graveworm>Because it's an old machine. I don't want to spend money for a new ide (!) drive for that one. And I don't have the money to buy a complete new one at the moment.
17:50<kop>Graveworm: FYI, you need to run memtest86+ for quite some time to be sure heat does not cause failure. You could run badblocks on the drives, but if there's a problem you want to replace the drives before they fail.
17:50<bja>Graveworm: Let have this hipothetical scenario. HDD heats up below data failure temperature BUT (there is allways a but) the heat makes a soldering on a VCC pin expand to -VCC voilá you get a voltage drop and an emergency reboot from the motherboard an no signal to point to the responsablie
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17:50<[Evan]>I'm trying to add an arch to dpkg, so I need to edit some of the dpkg/*table files to make it work. Where do all these values go, and in what format must they be? Do I need to read the dpkg source code to find out?
17:53<Graveworm>Hmm... Maybe it's really some of those weird combinations of heat, usage and wind direction ;(...
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18:00<macsim>hi, any dhcp3-server gourou ? I'm unable to identify MacOSX hosts with substring (option anybody knows a tips to do it ? thanks
18:01<thrice>argh, I'm having trouble finding the hd-media for squeeze + usb-gtk install :(
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18:02<thrice>juust kidding (sigh)
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18:12<lancelot_of>hi all
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18:13<lancelot_of>which are the best colour settings (background/text) in terminal in order to reduce eye stress?Just apart from personal taste...
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18:15<deref>Defiantly black background. I switch between gray, white, and sometimes green.
18:15<deref>... foreground colors
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18:15<stuckey>Which packages do I need to install to get a basic xserver with wmii?
18:16<bja>afaik there is /was an optical green
18:16<stuckey>wmii2, and what else?
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18:16<bja>dwm-tools, libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libx11-6, libxext6
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18:17<bja>stuckey: aptitude show wmii|grep Depends
18:17<adb>bja, 22:55<stuckey> "... I'm using ubuntu, ..."
18:17<stuckey>bja: shouldn't depends be pulled in automatically when I install wmii?
18:17<stuckey>xorg maybe?
18:18<bja>adb: mercie, je ne savais pas ça
18:18<stuckey>yeah that was it
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18:19<stuckey>so now i'm in wmii but its just forzen
18:20<stuckey>nothing works
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18:20<bja>!tell stuckey about ubuntu
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18:20<stuckey>!lart bj
18:20*dpkg duct-tapes bj to the floor and drools on him
18:20<stuckey>!lart bja
18:20*dpkg drops a truckload of VAXen on bja
18:20<stuckey>i'll just burn another cd and reinstall
18:21<bja>!tell stuckey about FOAD
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18:22<tlw>i'd like to use dpkg to install a debian and i would like the files which are installed to have their ownership set a specific way
18:22<tlw># dpkg -i <pkg.deb>
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18:23<tlw>for some reason, although i am root, the files are always set with user:group set to 1000:1000
18:24<tlw>dpkg-statoverride is only useful if i know the exact names and permissions of the files i'm about to install, which ins't a general solution
18:24<tlw>any ideas?
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18:28<dpkg>[ssh] the Secure SHell; "aptitude install ssh" (<openssh>). Clients for other platforms include <putty>, <cygwin>, <niftytelnet> and MacSSH. It's _unwise_ to enable both RSA and password authentication. Firewalls to mitigate against brute-force attacks on your SSH server include <fail2ban> and <denyhosts>. See also <scp>, <sftp>, <ssh without password>, <ssh permissions>, <sshx>, <ssh linedraw>, <debug sshd>, <dropbear>.
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18:28<ziggy>when trying to add a pgp key for a repo, i get this :, what am i doing wrong?
18:29<Graveworm>Ok, thanks for help. I'll play around here with this piece of crap. Bye ^^.
18:29<themill>ziggy: what command generated that error?
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18:30<dpkg>fail2ban is a small python program that runs rules when people fail to logon after a certain number of tries. By default it works with <ssh> and <iptables>, but can be extended to whatever authentication and access denial system you're using. <Dovecot> administrators: see . Also ask me about <denyhosts> and <iptables ssh filter>.
18:30<themill>Glorf: you can also /msg dpkg fail2ban
18:30<Glorf>thank you
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18:30<ziggy>themill: sudo wget -q -O - | apt-key add -
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18:30<Glorf>it's better yes
18:30<retrospectacus>ziggy: | sudo apt-key add -
18:31<retrospectacus>your apt-key command needs to be run as root as well
18:31<themill>or only, in fact
18:31<ziggy>i see
18:31<retrospectacus>ah yes true wget can be regular user
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18:36<Glorf>Where can i find the src for basic shell command ? For example, ls. (just for curiosity)
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18:38<dkr>Glorf: ls is a shell built-in, but there is also a separate program called /bin/ls
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18:38<themill>Glorf: "ls" is in the "coreutils" package (dpkg -S /bin/ls), so "apt-get source coreutils"
18:38<themill>dkr: what shell are you running?
18:39<dkr>tcsh, but I thought the same was true o fbash. I guess not? heh
18:39<Glorf>What is the debian-volatile files ?
18:39<dkr>!tell Glorf about source
18:40<themill>dkr: eww... unclean! (no, ls is not a builtin in bash)
18:41<dkr>themill: well, technically the tcsh built-in is ls-F
18:41<themill>yeah, vague memories there. Repressed.
18:42<dkr>Glorf: voaltile repo is for stuff that needs to change mro frequently than debian stable release, like timezone changes
18:42<dkr>or virus signature databases for clamd
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18:45<ZeZu>strange grub is missing from /boot when i deff. installed it there
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18:52<Guest145>how can i upgrade to squeeze?
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18:52<adb>Guest140, you stuckey?
18:53<ml|>there is way but do you really want to/understand what you are doing?
18:53<themill>Guest145: how many times do we have to tell you this I wonder?
18:53<Guest145>i want to upgrade to squeeze
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18:54<Guest145>can someone tell me how i can do that?
18:54<Guest145>i changed lines in the sources.list file
18:54<Guest145>do I just do ap-get upgrade o?
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18:56<bja>!tell Guest145 about FOAD
18:56<Guest145>no one?
18:56<themill>Guest145: just for future reference, evading bans like that on freenode is a great way to get klined.
18:57<themill>Guest145: you've used up all your good will and more of late.
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18:57<Guest145>i just want to install squeeze
18:58<themill>Well you've been told several times before.
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18:58<Guest145>no i have not
18:58<Guest145>when did someone tell me?
18:59<themill>oftc_#debian.log:[Sat Mar 20 2010] [00:03:01] <ml|> stuckey: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze
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18:59<themill>and that's just the last one in my log
18:59<streuner_>should that be really bad luck ( is very rare in .de...)
19:00<streuner_>almost nobody use it
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19:01<icebrain>deref: you have to /msg dpkg
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19:02<Guest145>i change the source file already. now i paste this big long line liek aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` ; reboot; aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade
19:02<Guest145>like that?
19:02<deref>That's what I thought, but when Guest145 did that I and said "thanks" I was wondering if it was some sort of signal?
19:02<themill>Guest145: congratulations. You seem to have worked out copy and paste back into the channel quite well.
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19:04<deref>Guest145: if you changed your sources.list to all be using "squeeze" then you should be able to just run "apt-get update" followed by "apt-get dist-upgrade". Anyone correct me if I'm wrong...
19:04<Guest145>i get soem sort of prompt in the termianl and i don't know what to do
19:05<icebrain>deref: he has to install the new kernel too. That's what the command dpkg told him (and he copypasted) does
19:05<Guest145>it saysAccept this solution? [Y/n/q/?]
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19:05*icebrain thinks Guest145 should stick with Lenny
19:06*themill knows Guest145 should stick with lenny and has told him that many times
19:06<deref>icebrain: hmm, I always thought dist-upgrade would update your kernel?
19:06<themill>deref: /msg dpkg udev squeeze
19:06<adb>with Lenny? even windows is to hight ...
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19:07<Guest145>am i supposed to get erros like this:
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19:07<jose_>com pued o usar debian
19:07<ferg>Hi all
19:07<deref>themill: So is this a new step with moving to squeeze (the safe-upgrade)?
19:07<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
19:07<Guest145>what do i do?
19:07<themill>deref: no, that was also the procedure for etch->lenny.
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19:08<Guest145>i should just istall from a squeeze cd?
19:08<deref>themill: huh, I moved to lenny just by running apt-get dist-upgrade. I don't use aptitude, perhaps those commands perform the same functions?
19:09<icebrain>Guest145: why do you want Squeeze anyway?
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19:09<Guest145>new packages
19:09<themill>deref: no. The dist-upgrade will often work ok but not always. the two-step procedure was found to be far more reliable on non-trivial setups
19:09<icebrain>Guest145: checked backports?
19:09<Guest145>if i do apt-get dist-upgrade then i don't get errrors
19:10<Guest145>do i use this?
19:10<deref>themill: thanks, when I move to squeeze I'll be sure to follow these instructions.
19:10<ferg>I'm experimenting sound problem on my debian lenny system; there is no sound. I use a usb headset; can anyone help me fix the problem please? Thanks.
19:11<themill>deref: hopefully by the time squeeze is released the udev upgrade won't be quite so problematic
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19:11<deref>Guest145: that's what I did to get from etch to lenny, but like themill said above it is not reliable.
19:12<deref>themill: I see, so since I'm waiting for it to be stable anyway, the potential issue of breaking your system will most likely be fixed?
19:13<themill>deref: the kernel/udev problem will hopefully be solved by fixing udev. The two-step procedure is still likely to be recommended.
19:14<deref>themill: thanks
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19:16<deref>ferg: I'm probably should not be handing out advice on this, but any issues I've had with sound in the past I've solved by tracking down the correct linux drivers for the device by doing a google search.
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19:17<ml|>ferg: check the following /msg dpkg alsa-checklist
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19:21<icebrain>demo_: hi. do you need help?
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19:44<stuckey>Can anyone tell me where I can get those files that you have to put on a usb stick to make it bootable?
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19:46<stuckey>and also, how I can put a larger iso on a usb disk. Using the zcat method only allows 256mb
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19:51<edrz>ah, the culture of instant gratification/short attention span
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20:01<amitz>what do you mean by sho.. HEY, PONY!
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20:02<bja>is There a way to restart a printer form cli?
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20:05<dr|z3d>bja: You'd need to read up on the printer in question.
20:05<dr|z3d>There are no hard and fast rules, afaik.
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20:06<dr|z3d>telnet is a good bet.
20:06<stuckey>Which packages do I have to install to get a basic xwindow session?
20:06<bja>dr|z3d: thx, I'll see what i can manage
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20:06<stuckey>I installed xserver-xorg-core and wmii2 but I can't run "startx"
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20:06<stuckey>I just want to be able to run "startx" and get wmii
20:06<themill>dpkg: tell stuckey about search
20:07<stuckey>I am searching
20:08<stuckey>xserver-xorg-core and wmii used to work --- that would be all that I would install. but now something has changed
20:09<stuckey>Does anyone know?
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20:10<stuckey>maybe i should install wmii2 with recommends?
20:11<themill>have you told us in what way "startx" doesn't work?
20:11<stuckey>themill: command not found
20:12<themill>so have you used apt-file to locate it yet?
20:12<stuckey>themill: I just want to use wmii2, no gnome or anything
20:12<stuckey>i don't know how to use that
20:12<themill>you've used it before
20:12<stuckey>I always do it like this, by installing xserver-xorg-core and wmii2, but now that doesn't work.
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20:13<stuckey>themill: installing initix fixed it.
20:13<stuckey>but now i can startx (wmii2) but nothign works in wmii2
20:13<stuckey>it's just frozen
20:14<stuckey>ever since java broken in my system i've been sitting here trying to get a working system again... maybe six hour, maybe more
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20:14<stuckey>first i tried ubuntu, but it wouldn't boot. then ubuntu 10.04, same thing. then debian testing, and wmii was broke, so then debian lenny, but couldn't get upgraded to squeeze
20:15<stuckey>now back to debian testing with broken wmii
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20:15<stuckey>wmii does absolutely nothing. no screens come up, nothing
20:16-!-mode/#debian [+l 404] by debhelper
20:16<stuckey>no menus--just like it was a picture there
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20:17<stuckey>i have no /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
20:17<stuckey>is that normal?
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20:17<bja>dr|z3d: Then it is either wm app to manage printers or it is http://ip:631 right?
20:18<centyx>stuckey: yes
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20:18<stuckey>centyx: how do i get my window manager to work?
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20:18<amitz>perhaps there is a key combination you need to press, whereas the old wmii in lenny "works" because it has been configured a bit by debian?
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20:18<stuckey>amitz: i'm thourougly familiar with the key combinations, iv'e used it for a very long time
20:18<dr|z3d>bja: If your printer's providing a web interface on that port, then sure :)
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20:18<centyx>stuckey: modern xorg typically doesn't need it, unless you have fussy hardware ( i've had to manually configure all 5 of my workstations xorg.conf's )
20:18<stuckey>since when are there no more xorg confg files
20:19<centyx>stuckey: i don't remember the version.. it was quite a while ago
20:19<lero>hi. i'm using bind 9.5.1 (lenny) and getting this putting maney hosts on it: isc_socket_create: fcntl/reserved: Too many open files. I already created a entry in limits.conf for the bind user. Watching /proc/xxx/fd, it doesn't even pass the default of 1024.
20:19<lero>anyone have an idea what's happening
20:19<amitz>oh Isee. Perhaps you need to pull some recommended packages. for example, xfce needs xfce4-panel, xfce4-desktop, etc.
20:19<themill>stuckey: for as long as you've been manually generating them using X -configure as you have told us you have done on several occasions.
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20:20<dr|z3d>bja: Different printers provision different control interfaces.. web is the most common these days, ssh/telnet is also often provisioned on network printers.
20:20<stuckey>Can anyone tell me how I can get a working wmii2?
20:20<stuckey>I'm on squeeze
20:20<dr|z3d>stuckey: Install a DE, do yourself a favor. And us :)
20:20<stuckey>I mean, if there are packages it needs to run, why aren't they installed as dependencies?
20:20<centyx>stuckey: why don't you build it from source, and if you still have problems, join #suckless
20:20<amitz>and standard US keyboard? and no vnc+gnome-settings-daemon installed right?
20:20<stuckey>dr|z3d: i don't like des
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20:21<dr|z3d>stuckey: then use blowfish.
20:21<stuckey>centyx: because i'm on squeeze and its supported i don't want to build from source
20:21*dr|z3d winks.
20:21<stuckey>dr|z3d: i like wmii
20:21<stuckey>i'e always ued swmii
20:21<centyx>oh i get it
20:21<stuckey>i just want my wmii and java
20:21<stuckey>did squeeze change or something such that I have to install other stuff to get wmii to work?
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20:22<stuckey>i'll install gnome core
20:23<amitz>or xfce if you want something faster.
20:23<stuckey>i want wmii2
20:23<stuckey>apparently i don't know how to install it, since it just crashes when it launches
20:23<amitz>stuck in choice == stuckey :-p
20:23<stuckey>i'm so sick of computers today
20:24<dr|z3d>gnome core?
20:24<stuckey>gnome with less gnome-garbage
20:24<stuckey>since wmii2 is broke
20:24<stuckey>maybe its just broke in squeeze?
20:24<stuckey>is that possible?
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20:26<dr|z3d>xfce sounds like a better bet.
20:26<dr|z3d>All the goodness of gnome, minus the bloat.
20:27<stuckey>i can't believe this
20:27<stuckey>now i just get a blank fucking screen
20:27<stuckey>Why doesn't anything work today?
20:27*themill sends stuckey to bed
20:28<stuckey>i can't sleep until i get this damn thing fixed
20:28<stuckey>can someone please tell me what to do to get wmii working?
20:28*bja mails a windows 7 disk to stuckey
20:28*themill predicts that wmii in lenny works just fine
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20:28<stuckey>bja: i've already ordered it
20:29<stuckey>themill: no it doesn't
20:29<thrice>how can wmii be broken? sounds simple enough ;)
20:29<stuckey>themill: i'm sitting here and it doesn't
20:29<stuckey>themill: i installed it and i just get a frozen screen on tty7
20:29<stuckey>themill: and i just installed this squeeze and i haven't changed anything
20:29<thrice>stuckey, ok, then wmii can't even start
20:29<themill>stuckey: you reinstalled lenny over your squeeze installation that quickly? excellent. You're getting good at this.
20:29<stuckey>thrice: it starts
20:29<thrice>black screen means doesn't start
20:29<stuckey>thrice: then nothing... just wmii screen
20:30<stuckey>thrice: no wmii screen... nothing works, alt + p opens nothing
20:30<stuckey>themill: ssd
20:30<thrice>can you mov ethe mouse and keyboard ?
20:30<stuckey>thrice: mouse yes, keybard input gives nothing
20:30<thrice>and checked ~/.xsession-errors ?
20:30<thrice>try another small WM to confirm it's wmii, and not in general
20:31<stuckey>thrice: take that back... now it is just a black screen
20:31<stuckey>thrice: gnome-core doesn't work either
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20:31<thrice>then either you suck, or your is broken
20:31<stuckey>my xorg is broken
20:31<stuckey>why? I just installed it
20:31<stuckey>it's broken from the beginning
20:31<thrice>check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors
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20:32<amitz>thrice: I bet my money that stuckey sucks.
20:32<stuckey>i can't believe i have been sitting here this long and nothign works
20:32<bja>amitz: numbers are too much on your favor, even if you win, you loose money
20:32<stuckey>i think i'm going crazy or something
20:33<thrice>stuckey, really, continually repeating "nothing works," "debian sucks," etc. is getting annoying
20:33<stuckey>thrice: well i don't have anything else to tell you. a black screen is a black screen
20:33<stuckey>you want output of something?
20:34<themill>stuckey: please engauge brain and start reading. [01:31] <thrice> check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors
20:34<stuckey>What would you do to install wmii on a fresh install that didn't have a de installed?
20:34<thrice>are you using a xorg.conf ? did you parse your xorg.0.log for errors ?
20:34<stuckey>thrice: no xorgconfig... should I?
20:34<thrice>depends on your hardware. squeeze uses udev + the evdev driver for keyboard and mouse support.
20:34<themill>stuckey: is this the same hardware for which you've generated an xorg.conf and installed nvidia drivers in the past?
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20:35<thrice>if you use an nvidia card, you'll need to setup a xorg.conf. opensource drivers shouldn't require it
20:35<stuckey>themill: same hardware
20:35<stuckey>no errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
20:36<stuckey>so I can just do X -configure?
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20:36<thrice>how did you generate it before?
20:37<stuckey>like that
20:37<stuckey>i still just get a black screen where wmii2 should be
20:38<stuckey>i don't understand. it has never done this before
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20:38<stuckey>do i have to install a DE?
20:38<ZeZu>where can I find ide.agent (or whatever I can add to /lib/udev to get ide-generic loaded properly for the kernel?)
20:38<stuckey>*at install time
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20:44<marki123>guys, when connecting to my IMAPs server (courier @ Debian Lenny) using thunderbird, the error console gives me the information "potentially vulnerable to CVE-2009-3555". Is there anything to worry about? I see that this issue was apparently fixed in a security update of apache. I also see that it was fixed in some openssl 0.9.8L package in unstable... What about other apps that use openssl libs?
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20:49<dondelelcaro>marki123: openssl in lenny (assuming you're running +lenny6) fixed that issue
20:49<thrice>argh, I deleted a my apt.conf, which specified to always squeeze on my machine. I've enabled sid just to get a newer kernel (since the squeeze one is b0rked on my intel box). what's the proper syntax for apt.conf to specify this?
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20:50<marki123>dondelelcaro: does not say anything about that
20:52<amitz>thrice: you mean, how to get the lates kernel automatically in squeeze?
20:52<thrice>nothing in /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz seems nice
20:53<thrice>amitz, well, I need to use the sid kernel (which has a few more deps, otherwise I'd just grab the package), but wnat everything else to stay with squeze. so, i've added the sid repo to sources.list, but can't recall what is proper in /etc/apt/apt.conf
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20:53<amitz>the keyword is pinning or something like that, IIRC.
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20:55<thrice>i suppose I could do that, but thought I'd just install to a new slot, since kernels can co-exist
20:55<dondelelcaro>marki123: that CVE was specific for apache2; this looks to be #555829
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20:58<thrice>ah, got it
20:59<thrice>APT::Default-Release "squeeze";
20:59<amitz>ah, hmm.. yeah. did that before, sounds right.
20:59<thrice>thanks for the help :p cough
21:02<amitz>yes, I help testifying its validity ;-)
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21:03<marki123>dondelelcaro: well, seems to be a flaw in all that is SSL/TLS. :-\ well i might look at this again tomorrow. too tired now. bye
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21:11<stuckey>reinstalled, gnome works now
21:11<stuckey>can't install nvidia dreivers though... say something about bad luck, couldn't find headers
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21:12<stuckey>What do I need to install to get linux headers?
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21:12<stuckey> <--- i try to install headers
21:12<stuckey>but it fails
21:13<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.4); sid: 2.6.32-4-686 (2.6.32-11); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.3-686 (2.6.32-9~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2)
21:13<titan8990>stuckey: there is not a .30 kernel currently in debian.
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21:14<stuckey>titan8990: what does this mean?
21:15<titan8990>stuckey: it means you had an old install cd for testing/unstable/kmuto or that isn't debian
21:15<stuckey>titan8990: no, that can't be. I JUST downloaded the testing cd
21:15<stuckey>i mean like 2 hours ago from the website
21:16<titan8990>stuckey: update your system
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21:16<stuckey>titan8990: aptitude update && aptitude upgrade?
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21:17<titan8990>stuckey: the more you ask questions, the more I think you are a troll
21:17<stuckey>titan8990: i did that already
21:17<stuckey>i'm not trolling
21:17<ml|>dpkg: nvidia squeeze
21:17<dpkg>non-free nvidia+squeeze guide: (a) aptitude upgrade ; aptitude full-upgrade (ensure you are running the current kernel; /msg judd kernels) (b) create a testing/unstable mix (ask me about <tum>) (c) aptitude install module-assistant; aptitude -R -t sid install nvidia-kernel-source; m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia && aptitude -t sid install nvidia-glx. (d) Configure xorg.conf as per
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21:18<dpkg>Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers.
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21:19<ml|>^ indeed
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21:20<bja>titan8990: you've got mail
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21:20<stuckey>titan8990: i did what dpkg wrote but i still get "bad luck"
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21:23<stuckey>Do I have to install headers? if so, how? which ones?
21:23<stuckey>aptitude says it can't install
21:23<stuckey>why does nothing work
21:23<dpkg>[stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Lenny (5.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>).
21:24<stuckey>ml|: i can't use stable
21:24<stuckey>NO NVIDIA DRIVERS
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21:25<stuckey>where do i get the linux headers?
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21:25<ml|>judd: versions nvidia-glx
21:25<judd>nvidia-glx -- etch/non-free: 1.0.8776-4; lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5; squeeze/non-free: 173.14.09-5; sid/non-free: 190.53-4
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21:26<stuckey>ml|: how do I get this to work?
21:27<stuckey>are there headers in sid?
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21:28<handheldCar>We don't need no stinking Nvidia drivers!
21:28<dpkg>Lenny is the codename for the current stable release, Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on 2009-02-15: Ask me about <release notes>, <install debian>, <etch->lenny>, <installer firmware>. Currently <5.0.4>.
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21:28<stuckey>Does nvidia just not work in squeeze?
21:28<stuckey>Can anyone tell me anything useful?
21:28<ml|>stuckey: all I'm going to say is follow dpkg instructions and those are not working use lenny
21:28<ml|>stuckey: read above!
21:28<stuckey>well they're not working
21:28<stuckey>and i'm not using lenny because it won't give me the drivers i need
21:28<handheldCar>Fun fact: uname -o on any Linux might return GNU/Linux as the OS.
21:29<bja>!beer ml|
21:29*dpkg pours a pint of Delirium Tremens for ml|
21:29<ml|>.dpkg instructions have worked for others, so try again
21:29<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
21:29<handheldCar>stuckey: how about sidux? I only use Lenny for a server.
21:29<stuckey>i followed that guide exactly
21:30<stuckey>ml|: I followed that guide, I always follow that guide. and it didn't work this time
21:30<ml|>stuckey: again read up if you are using testing now
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21:30<ml|>and they work!
21:31<stuckey>ml|: i did that one too
21:31<stuckey>no they don't work, i'm showing you the error message here
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21:32*handheldCar couldn't get them to work last November either. The package wasn't available.
21:33<stuckey>everything was working fine this afternoon, and then it all went to hell
21:33*ml| has worked fine for me and others
21:34<stuckey>ml|: you're on testing?
21:34<titan8990>!ue stuckey
21:34<dpkg>stuckey: /!\ User Error. Replace user and bang head off keyboard to continue. [OK]
21:35<stuckey>ml|: what did you do to install your drivers?
21:35<ml|>nothing atm I use nv now, but nvidia drivers work fine in lenny and testing
21:35<stuckey>no they don'tw ork in testing
21:35*titan8990 has lenny, squeeze, and sid boxes all running nvidia drivers from the m-a method in the wiki
21:36<stuckey>titan8990: what am I missing then?
21:36<stuckey>it's a clean install
21:36<stuckey>I'm not just sitting here making this shit up for the fun of it
21:36<stuckey>Do i need to upgrade to sid?
21:36<stuckey>do they work in sid?
21:37<ml|>one last qurstion is it an install from lenny->squeeze or testing iso only?
21:37<stuckey>ml|: testing iso
21:37<stuckey>lenny->squeeze failed
21:37<titan8990>it failed because of the user
21:38<ml|>well, seems all is failing you? and all that has worked fine for others
21:38<stuckey>ml|: I'm giving you actual error messages
21:38<ml|>all I can say is read and try againg if you really want to use testing
21:38<stuckey>And you tell me its just my fault. What about those error messages?
21:39<ml|>ok, where?
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21:42<titan8990>I told you the reason at all and you made no effort to solve it yourself
21:42<stuckey>titan8990: i don't understand
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21:42<stuckey>titan8990: no headers ? what am I supposed to do? 1. no hreads 2. ? 3. solved
21:42<stuckey>what the hell is 2?
21:43<titan8990>your kernel is not the current version, thats why there are no headers
21:43<ml|>that does not help, anyways ask dpkg about lenny->squeeze ; nvidia squeeze and all in <> in those factiods from dpkg; good luck
21:43<stuckey>titan8990: why isn't my kernel the current version?
21:43<stuckey>i need to reboot after updating?
21:43<titan8990>stuckey: kernel only
21:43<stuckey>hmm... wiki didn't say anything about that.
21:44<stuckey>Why didn't you just tell me that 30 minutes ago?
21:44<ml|>dpkg: lenny->squeeze
21:44<dpkg>Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile), then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` ; reboot; aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. Important: see <squeeze udev>. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>.
21:44<stuckey>ml|: i'm not doing lenny->squeeze
21:44<ml|> ; reboot
21:44<stuckey>ml|: i didn't do that
21:44<stuckey>ml|: i'm just doing squeeze... i installed from the squeeeze dvd
21:44<titan8990>stuckey: you need to learn to do stuff for yourself
21:45<stuckey>i'll reboot now
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21:45<ml|>just pointing why your lenny->squeeze failed before; READ!
21:45*ml| *sigh*
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21:46<stuckey>sane thing
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21:46<stuckey>"bad luck"
21:46<stuckey>and i'm on 2.6.32
21:48<stuckey>i'll try sid
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21:49<handheldCar>try sidux
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22:05<solifugus>How can I install python2.4 without uninstalling the new default version?
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22:05<solifugus>I need two versions simultaneously installed.
22:08<titan8990>solifugus: compile the other version and install to /usr/local
22:09<solifugus>titan8990: maybe i can do that... was hoping there'd be a simpler way, though
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22:09<titan8990>solifugus: two versions of python 2.4? no, not that I know of
22:09<titan8990>,versions python
22:09<judd>python -- etch: 2.4.4-2; lenny: 2.5.2-3; sid: 2.5.4-9; squeeze: 2.5.4-9
22:10<solifugus>no no.. version 2.4, but I already have a higher version installed as the default.
22:10<titan8990>solifugus: you should also consider upgrading to lenny since etch no longer gets security updates
22:10<solifugus>I have python 2.5.5 installed by default... actually Sidux.
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22:10<dpkg>i heard sidux is a live distribution <based on Debian> Sid, with a special focus on clean and easy hard disk installation. It is <OT> in #debian. Please /join #sidux on
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22:11<titan8990>solifugus: not supported here
22:11<solifugus>ok.... i thought sidux was a flavor of debian
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22:12<handheldCar>"based on Debian" ^
22:12<titan8990>solifugus: it is not a flavor, it is a distro based on the debian sid tree... just like the bot fact says. we only support debian here, not "based on debian"
22:13<solifugus>debian lenny didn't support my wireless adaptor Intel Pro/Wireless 3945ABG at all.. and the manufacturer no longer supports it because they say its been accepted in the mainline kernel.
22:13<titan8990>solifugus: and also, we don't even support sid here most of the time either
22:13<dpkg>iwlagn is the driver for the Intel Wireless WiFi Link (4965AGN, 5100AGN, 5300AGN, 5350AGN, 5150AGN, 1000BGN, 6000AGN) series of devices. Included in mainline Linux kernels since 2.6.27. Lenny users: ask me about <bpo> to install a later kernel image package containing this driver. Firmware is required, ask me about <iwlagn firmware> to provide.
22:14<titan8990>solifugus: thats what lenny-backports is for
22:14<sney>reading is your friend
22:14<dpkg>sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>.
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22:17<solifugus>sney: even though my specific driver is not listed there, I should persue that link?
22:17<dpkg>iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless LAN chipsets since Lenny. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. See (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0>. #ipw2100 on
22:18<sney>heh, close enough. lenny supports a lot of hardware. sometimes you need to install another package, but that's generally less effort than giving up and installing a different OS
22:19<solifugus>well, that's why i tried sidux
22:20<solifugus>but lenny is good
22:21<handheldCar>I was about to try sidux but the "testing" warning scared me away.
22:21<sney>yeah, it's unstable.
22:21<sney>some people don't mind that, to each their own
22:22<titan8990>some people don't know any better
22:22<sney>yeah, there are a lot of kids who run sid for no reason other than they like having higher version numbers on things, but they usually don't make it into here
22:22<solifugus>someone told me a kde 4 version of debian would be out in a few months... (sidux has a really nicely refined kde 4 on it)
22:23<titan8990>solifugus: not until the release of squeeze, which I doubt will be in a couple months
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22:23<titan8990>!squeeze pool 1
22:23<dpkg>! NiLon=2010-10-12 rvsjoen=2010-07-15 Titan8990=2010-12-15 icebrain=2010-06-01 tabashco=2010-11-22 <rmayorga>=2011-1-17 jelly=2010-09-29 dpalacio=2010-08-03 cydork=2010-07-10 CutMeOwnThroat=2010-06-15 enouf=2010-04-01 themill=2010-05-30 valdyn=2010-06-15 rohan=2010-12-06 abrotman=2010-10-02 gsimmons=2010-09-03
22:23<titan8990>solifugus: december was my guess
22:23<sney>kde4 is in squeeze (testing), it's probably the same version
22:23<solifugus>yeah.. debian grows like a pine tree..
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22:23<sney>no point in meeting a release date if the software isn't ready.
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22:24<sney>and Debian's definition of 'ready' is a bit more strict than damn near everyone else's.
22:24<solifugus>at work today, i had to install two lenny's on vSphere VMs but it won't even boot the 64-bit small netinstall cd
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22:24<sney>VMs are finicky I've found
22:25<solifugus>So I installed 32-bit lenny instead.. but it wouldn't install the guest additions... obviously because vsphere thinks its a 64-bit OS
22:25<solifugus>VMs are a reality...
22:25<titan8990>you probably could have just installed the amd64 kernel, assuming the additions are just a kernel module
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22:26<sney>the more free software the VM, the better it works seems to be the trick. Virtualbox works perfectly, with Xen a close second. VMWare is all over the place, and that's probably their fault
22:27<sney>basically, the more the developers have been able to work together to get their software to play nice, the better results you're going to get
22:27<solifugus>Yes.. no problems at all with virtualbox but virtualbox isn't going to run production servers for us.
22:27<solifugus>I really wish kvm had better management tools.
22:27<sney>tons of production environments use Xen but I'm guessing that's not your decision to make.
22:27<titan8990>sney: the red hat guys have been putting a ton of work into KVM. I imagine that is going to come along nicely
22:28<sney>titan8990: oh yeah, I've been hearing great things about that one.
22:28<titan8990>I personally use xen for my server virtualization and vbox on my desktop
22:29<solifugus>sney: it's not my decision to make right now. At my former work, I introduced and converted many servers over to VMware Virtual Infrastructure (now vSphere).. It worked out exceptionall well for us. But I had a mandate to only use RHEL which VMware supports very well.
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22:29<solifugus>titan8990: I looked at xen but it wasn't nearly as straight forward to figure out how to use.
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22:30<solifugus>I gave up on it when I realized xen wasn't going to be easy to teach others, if I myself was having such a hard time with it. Plus, Redhat was switching to kvm.
22:30<titan8990>solifugus: the redhat virtualization guide and the centos wiki were good docs to learn
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22:32<sney>yeah, it's one of those things like apache or sendmail that is completely obtuse when you first look at it but eventually it all becomes clear
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22:34<interbird>Any xml-dudes here ? (i know, ot...)
22:34<titan8990>sney: uhh, I think sendmail is in another league of obtuse when compared to apache
22:34<solifugus>I found kvm much easier to understand, even if it's clear that it needs some management tools.
22:34<sney>titan8990: yeah, agreed, just the first couple examples that came to mind
22:35<solifugus>postfix probably became popular just because sendmail looked steep.
22:36*titan8990 is a sendmail admin
22:36<interbird>why do i need to remove a namespace before translation for the translation to work ? is there a # for my Q ?
22:37<titan8990>interbird: #xml on
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22:38<sney>the only other sendmail admin I know is a guy with a unix beard who at the time carried a rescue floppy that contained nothing but a kernel and vi
22:39<titan8990>sney: its still the default MTA for RHEL
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22:39<titan8990>sney: the company I work for has been running it since their SCO UNIX days though
22:39<interbird>titan8990: thx, will look there.
22:39<sney>well at least they switched away from SCO.
22:40<titan8990>sney: yeah, well, they are switching away from linux now
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22:51<interbird>titan8990: sorry to bother you, but i'm trying to get on the xml-# you suggested but it says it's unavailable; still i get a list of #-users; can you help me please ?
22:52<titan8990>interbird: no, I haven't a clue
22:52<titan8990>interbird: if no one is answer you just have to be patient or a try a forum/mailing list
22:55<interbird>titan8990: it's not possible for anyone to answer on this channel as i seem not to be connected; so it's not what you think :-)
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22:56<titan8990>interbird: are you sure your connected to
22:56<handheldCar>54 users?
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22:56<amitz>I only see 1 user. ;-)
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22:57<amitz>well, more like a guess.
22:57<handheldCar>10:56:52 < handheldCar> hello? test
22:57<handheldCar>10:56:58 < Craig`> hello handheldCar
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22:57<interbird>titan8990: i have a full list of users; i use xchat, how can i check? (the tab says: ##unavailable -- but a channel-user-list is present)
22:58<amitz>perhaps it's a channel where you have to register. anyway, try /join <channelname> and see any error message.
22:58<handheldCar>interbird: Craig` is waiting to answer your questions
22:58<amitz>in that windows or in the main window
22:58<titan8990>interbird: if you have to register: /msg NickServ help
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23:00<interbird>* ##unavailable :Cannot send to channel
23:00<interbird>>NickServe< help
23:00<interbird>* Seracht (~seracht@unaffiliated/seracht) is binnengekomen bij ##unavailable
23:00<interbird>... "/msg ot eaten'"
23:00<handheldCar>the channel doesn't have +r
23:01<amitz>it seems you fail to join the channel.
23:01<interbird>where is the +r indicator ?
23:01<amitz>is the number of "#" in front of the channel name correct?
23:02<handheldCar>just one
23:02*handheldCar is in there. 55 users
23:02<interbird>it's a channel with 33 users
23:02<handheldCar>not on freenode
23:02<interbird>(my #)
23:03<interbird>how do i check what server i'mon (xchat)
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23:03<handheldCar>sudo apt-get install irssi
23:04<titan8990>interbird: it makes seperate trees on the channel list to the left
23:05<titan8990>irssi, while better, will not easier to figure out how to use
23:05<titan8990>handheldCar: shouldn't assume that everyone installs and sets up sudo to allow all commands for their user
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23:07<handheldCar>ok sorry, mean joke
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23:10<interbird>titan8990: irssi is another irc-client, one you cannot exit with quit or exit; how does hat solve my probbie, if i may ask ?
23:10<titan8990>interbird: i was not the one that recommended it
23:11<titan8990>interbird: /quit to exit
23:11*handheldCar knew how to identify server in irssi but not xchat.
23:11*handheldCar was just joking
23:12<interbird>titan8990: sorry, was meant for handheldCar
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23:14<interbird>still, i'm on ##unavailable with a userlist; no identfy ifaik...
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23:14<titan8990>interbird: /j #xchat on freenode
23:14<interbird>so, how do i figure out what server i'm on there (xchat)
23:14<titan8990>interbird: on the left where the channel list is. its in a tree form. the top of the tree is the network
23:15<titan8990>interbird: /connect
23:15<titan8990>handheldCar: xchat does accept a lot of the commands that irssi does
23:16<titan8990>I was an xchat user until a couple months ago, I switched to screen + irssi
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23:16*handheldCar uses screen, too.
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23:17*handheldCar uses the status window, and Ctrl Shift X will switch servers.
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23:17<interbird>titan8990: "/connect ..." does not work; nothing happens
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23:18<deref>interbird: //server <address>
23:18<deref>interbird: /server <address>
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23:18<titan8990>interbird: by default it asks you which network to connect to on startup, and which channel to join. just close the client and open up again unless you know you select "don't show again"
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23:28<interbird>na, dat werkt dus
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23:29<bja>interbird: ça c'est pa possible
23:32<interbird>bja: c'est un problem tres petit; maintenant... ne-marche-pas !
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23:35<bja>interbird: Vieliecht willst du daß wir im die chanel dir helfen?
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23:38<interbird>bja: Nein danke, Ich werde es verzuchen etwas anders zu probieren, aber morgens; nicht heute; danke.
23:39<bja>interbird: Muybien , nos vemos mañana
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23:40<twb>My netbook runs msmtp. It works well for user mail, from mutt and darcs and suchlike.
23:41<interbird>bja: si, mañana, por favor, perro non trawacho y non spiritos.
23:41<twb>However, cron mail goes to "root" by default, where it should go to my gmail address.
23:42<bja>!beer interbird
23:42*dpkg pours a quart of Spaten Pils for interbird
23:42<twb>AFAICT msmtp ignores /etc/aliases, so AFAICT my only solution is to add a MAILTO to crontab and /etc/cron.d/*
23:43<interbird>hmm, lekker !
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23:45<bja>twb msmtp is MUA not MTA don't expect it to behave in any other way
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23:46<twb>Er, *mutt* is an MUA.
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23:47<bja>twb: apt-cache show msmtp
23:48<twb>bja: what's your point?
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23:49<bja>twb: Sorry i was one hand typing. Point is don't expect am SMTP client to perform an SMTP server function. Aliases is more in the realm of MTA or SMTP servers, not STMP clients or MUA
23:50<twb>That's a reasonable argument; I was objecting to your implication that all SMTP clients are MUAs (which is not the case).
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23:51<twb>I guess the best classification of msmtp is MSA:
23:51<interbird>the distiction is sometimes gray, sometime as gray as a relay
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23:56<twb>kolter: ping. You says you use msmtp with cron, in #569122. Do you use MAILTO, /etc/aliases, or something else?
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23:58<bja>twb: Interesting article the one you posted. Does msmtp needs to perform a db translation like postfix
23:59<twb>bja: msmtp is very dumb. It just turns an email on stdin into an SMTP session on a network socket.
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