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00:00<twb>I'm not sure which db translation you're talking about.
00:01<twb>I like msmtp for (interactive) use on netbooks, because it will fail loudly when mail can't be delivered. In the same scenario, postfix and ssmtp will queue the mail on the netbook, maybe forever if I made a configuration boo-boo.
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00:03<bja>twb: Whenever you update /etc/aliases for postfix to know about it you must run postalias
00:03<twb>As I said: I don't think msmtp reads /etc/aliases at all.
00:04<bja>twb: have you tried exim4 with a standard config using a smarthost?
00:04<twb>bja: no, because I know it will queue locally when upstream is offline. That's how MTAs are *supposed* to behave.
00:05<bja>and it will behave that way, as soon as you connect it will gladly deliver
00:05<twb>I don't want that.
00:06<twb>If I did, I'd just run postfix.
00:06<bja>Your point, You want it to loudly fail meaning?
00:07<twb>Meaning that when I hit "send" in mutt, it will not return control to mutt until the mail is sent to the smarthost. And if it fails to do so, it'll return with a non-zero exit status, so that mutt will alert me.
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00:09<twb>With postfix (or whatever), it'd accept the mail into its local queue, then try to send it to the smarthost periodically. Delay / failure messages would end up in the netbook's mail spool, which I would never look at.
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00:11<bja>twb: I believe the latest mutt can deliver directly to an mta not on the host machine. I think it is worth asking on #mutt
00:12<twb>I know it can.
00:12<twb>But my other clients, such as reportbug and darcs, can't.
00:13<dondelelcaro>twb: you can either use ssmtp which does that, or something like nullmailer which queues
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00:13<twb>dondelelcaro: nod.
00:14<snogglethorpe>twb: doesn't reportbug have smtp code too?
00:14<dondelelcaro>snogglethorpe: it does
00:14<snogglethorpe>twb: i thought it did anyway....
00:14<twb>snogglethorpe: oh, you're right, it does.
00:14<twb>snogglethorpe: so it was just Darcs that made me drop that in favour of msmtp.
00:14<bja>dondelelcaro: ssmtp seems not to follow /etc/aliases file
00:14<dondelelcaro>bja: it shouldn't
00:15<dondelelcaro>bja: it's not an MDA, it just sends mail to a smarthost
00:15<twb>I have run nullmailer and ssmtp before. IIRC I stopped using ssmtp because twb@<my ISP> wrote to me saying "why am I getting all your cron emails?"
00:15<twb>That was around 2004; maybe I just hadn't configured ssmtp correctly./
00:16<dondelelcaro>yeah, for those there's usually a setting to rewrite non fully-qualififed names to a different address
00:16<dondelelcaro>nullmailer at least has that.. [I run totally disconnected far too often for ssmtp to be an option]
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00:20<twb>That's probably why nullmailer Just Worked for me when I switched from ssmtp to it back in 2004 :-)
00:21<dondelelcaro>the main issue with nullmailer is it doesn't try to notify you if a message doesn't go through; perhaps it should... but it normally wouldn't matter unless your smarthost sucks
00:21*dondelelcaro personally has it set up to ssh into a host and run sendmail directly there
00:22<twb>dondelelcaro: I did that for some machines.
00:23<twb>It makes me a bit nervous for those hosts :-)
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00:24<bja>sshing into a host machine and running an email client remotly? or do you portforward to have remote acces to the mta on that host?
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00:26<twb>bja: we mean echo >/usr/sbin/sendmail 'exec ssh -oBatchMode=yes fs sendmail "$@"'; chmod +x /usr/sbin/sendmail
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00:36<dondelelcaro>slightly more complicated, but that's the basic idea
00:36<dondelelcaro>(I actually use it as a delivery method of nullmailer, so there's queing and some other niceties)
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00:38<twb>Do you have a blog article or something, with details on how yours is set up?
00:39<twb>Mine is *literally* that dumb/simple
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00:42<dondelelcaro>twb: is the code which goes in /usr/lib/nullmailer, and the nullmailer config looks like sshsendmail --identity=/var/mail/.ssh/id_rsa --username remotemail --sendmail-options=''
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00:42<dondelelcaro>twb: well, hostname first of course
00:43<twb>Wow, that *is* elaborate
00:44<twb>Suggest BatchMode=yes, to prevent it picking the password method when on an interactive tty
00:45<dondelelcaro>yeah, it doesn't have a tty
00:45<twb>Oh, because of |- ?
00:45<twb>Or because it's invoked indirectly, by nullmailer?
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00:46<dondelelcaro>twb: becaues it's invoked by nullmailer
00:46<snogglethorpe>"rescue mode" on the installation disks seems to take forever to actually get to a shell...
00:47<twb>snogglethorpe: IMO rescue mode is only for "I don't have a better live CD"
00:47<snogglethorpe>(does it really need to contact a NTP server for that...)
00:48<twb>On my latest machine I just put a 80MB debian-live rescue image in /boot/live, which is working quite well.
00:49<snogglethorpe>actually i wrote zeros over the partition table on the advice of somebody here, ...
00:49<twb>snogglethorpe: the partition table, the boot record, or both?
00:50<snogglethorpe>hmm, aren't they intermingled in the same block?
00:51<snogglethorpe>anyway i made a mistake and forgot to give dd a count, so it overwrote an unknown number of sectors at the start of the disk anwyay
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00:51<snogglethorpe>but i made a backup partition so i'm hopeing to get that back
00:51<twb>What filesystem was at the start of the disk, and where was it mounted (e.g. /boot) ?
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01:21<v4hid>I need mod_auth apache module, but i can not find it
01:22<v4hid> ==> don't exist libapache2-mod-auth module
01:23<v4hid>i search in google very much, but could not help me
01:24<sney>aptitude search mod-auth returns several different auth type options
01:24<v4hid>who can help me?
01:24<jm_>indeed, it provides shitloads of auth modules
01:24<sney>just need to pick the one best suited to what you're doing, I suppose.
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01:25<Muslim>for all here
01:25<Muslim>any one want to talk
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01:27<v4hid>I need "libapache2-mod-auth" but aptitude listed "libapache2-mod-auth-(kerb or cas or mysql or ...)"
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01:29<dondelelcaro>v4hid: for what? mod_auth is already builtin
01:31<v4hid>dondelelcaro: I want use "AuthGroupFile directive" in htaccess file and this directive need this module!
01:31<dondelelcaro>v4hid: yes, and mod_auth is builtin, and part of the core apache distribution...
01:31<dondelelcaro>v4hid: load auth_basic or auth_digest or whatever you need
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01:37<v4hid>dondelelcaro: many thanks
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02:23<twb>Re. earlier msmtp questions, I have filed #578017
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02:36*mjt finally removes (with pride!) totem-gstreamer to get rid of the absolutely annoying constant 100% CPU activity when totem-gnome-thumbnailer is eating all available cpu for hours trying to re-create thumbnails for video files it does not understand....
02:36<twb>One more reason to avoid gnome
02:36<mjt>i don't use gnome
02:37<twb>Just nautilus?
02:37<mjt>but it's difficult to avoid it entirely since many useful apps uses it
02:37<twb>Otherwise, why was it trying to make thumbnails?
02:37<mjt>well, nautilus is running - another user on this machine is using it
02:37<mjt>my wife :)
02:37<twb>IME apps that use stuff like gconf usually have equivalents that use only glib and gtk2
02:37<twb>e.g. evince -> epdfview
02:37<mjt>and it is the one who runs thumbnailer
02:38<mjt>in a constant loop
02:38<jm_>is epdfview any better than xpdf?
02:38<mjt>i myself switched from icewm to lxde about a month ago... before that I were using twm - so neither gnome nor kde ;)
02:39<twb>jm_: do you prefer gtk2 to xaw?
02:39<twb>jm_: or poppler to libxpdf3
02:39<mjt>well, epdfview is quite nice
02:39<jm_>twb: well in general I don't care that much, but I'll give it a try
02:39<twb>Last time I looked, epdfview/poppler was also slower than xpdf for very complicated PDFs
02:39<mjt>yes it's slow at times
02:40<jm_>heh that's why I sometimes use acroread - it renders certain documents much faster
02:40<twb>I think this is the one:
02:40<mjt>but epdfview is, um, rudimentary
02:40<twb>mjt: AFAICT the only thing evince does extra is two-up
02:41<mjt>(and xpdf is even more so :)
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02:42<ml|>use both xpdf and epdfview; they work well for my needs
02:42<jm_>interesting choice of keyboard shortcuts - shift+page* keys
02:44<ml|>yes, I forget about that sometimes
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02:45<snogglethorpe>(acroread... "fast"?!?)
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02:46<sney>once it finishes loading, I'm sure
02:46<dr|z3d>Faster than a speeding snail!
02:47<snogglethorpe>the only advantage i've ever seen to acroread is that it can render some japanese pdfs that have weirddf
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02:49<zoi>Hello, I connected a usb stick to my laptop, after I did dmesg it showed me this: Does this mean that I can access my usb drive through /dev/sdb or /dev/sdb1?
02:49<jm_>both probably ;)
02:49<zoi>cool, thanks
02:50<jm_>sdb1 is partition, sdb is the whole drive - use them depending on what you want to do
02:50*zoi is trying to install a debian on other computer from usb stick
02:50<zoi>hmm, i should probably use sdb, since I want to cat boot.img > /dev/sdb
02:50<jm_>just be sure it's the right one
02:51<sney>probably just /dev/sdb, usually usb sticks aren't partitioned and just use the whole device
02:51<zoi>I'm so exited about installing debain on my other laptop. I'll delete all my old files, will start a new life
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02:58<zoi>Hmm.. i'm using this tutorial and I wonder, would I be able to copy FULL (not net-install) debian cd iso to the flash drive in oreder to succed in installation?
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02:59<sney>zoi: see the "flexible way"
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03:00<zoi>Thanks, I'll take a look at that
03:01<zoi>Uhh, I have another problem atm. I plugged in 4gb usb stick, but the output of df -h shows me this: /dev/sdb 239M 21M 219M 9% /mnt
03:01<zoi>/dev/sdb 239M 21M 219M 9% /mnt
03:01<zoi>239 Mb?
03:01<sney>that's what boot.img.gz did
03:02<sney>it created a 240MB filesystem on your usb stick.
03:02<zoi>so I just won't be able to install full cd
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03:02<sney>you can if you do it the other way. it's not as easy but you could fit much more
03:02<zoi>nah, i'll just stick to netinstall then
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03:03<sney>suit yourself
03:03<zoi>:) thanks
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04:10<zoi|>should i choose install or graphic install?
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04:14<toxic>graphic install
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04:17<Slydder>anyone here using the daemontools package in lenny?
04:17<Slydder>am having major issues getting this thing running.
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04:33<stuckey>I'm trying to install nvidia drivers on squeeze, but module assistant gives me an error that says "bad luck"
04:34<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
04:34<stuckey>dr|z3d: that's what I did
04:35<stuckey>i also looked at "nvidia squeeze"
04:35<dr|z3d>stuckey: You might just try the nvidia drivers from the site, though of course you won't get support here for those.
04:35<stuckey>dr|z3d: i want to do it the debian way
04:36<stuckey>i should be running 2.6.32 kernel, right?
04:36<dr|z3d>I'm not au fait with the specifics, sorry, but more background info about the problem might help you better receive help. :)
04:37<jm_>stuckey: nvidia drivers in squeeze are too old for 2.6.32 AFAIK
04:37<stuckey>I don't know what else to give. I"m on squeeze. I followed what dpkg said. I do the m-a a-i nvidia command and it fails. Says I have bad luck.
04:37<stuckey>Something about no headers
04:38<dr|z3d>stuckey: I think jm_ hit the nail on the head..
04:38<stuckey>"Bad lucky, the kernel headers for for the target kernel versino could not be found."
04:38<stuckey>jm_: okay so it is broken in squeeze?
04:38<jm_>stuckey: just get the packages from sid and it shall be OK
04:39<stuckey>jm_: which packages? the nvidia source?
04:39<themill>exactly what dpkg told you to do
04:39<jm_>stuckey: start with nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-kernel-common
04:39<stuckey>aptitude -R -t sid install nvidia-kernel-source nvidia-kernel-common ?
04:39<jm_>although -common is the same in squeeze and sid as I can see now
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04:40<yjwork_>I running 2.6.32 kernel ,an nvidia 190.53 is normal
04:41<stuckey>i've already installed it from sid
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04:42<jm_>which version of the -source package is installed?
04:42*themill would prefer to see "apt-cache policy nvidia-kernel-source nvidia-kernel-common"
04:43<jm_>stuckey: ok how about kernel headers, are they installed?
04:43<stuckey>jm_: what package is kernel headers?
04:44<jm_>stuckey: linux-headers-...
04:45<jm_>and your kernel is?
04:45<stuckey>Linux debian 2.6.32-trunk-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Jan 10 22:40:40 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
04:46<stuckey>jm_: "
04:47<jm_>stuckey: what does ls -ld /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/source show?
04:47<stuckey>ls: cannot access /lib/modules/2.6.32-trunk-amd64/source: No such file or directory
04:48<themill>!nvidia squeeze
04:48<dpkg>non-free nvidia+squeeze guide: (a) aptitude upgrade ; aptitude full-upgrade (ensure you are running the current kernel; /msg judd kernels) (b) create a testing/unstable mix (ask me about <tum>) (c) aptitude install module-assistant; aptitude -R -t sid install nvidia-kernel-source; m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia && aptitude -t sid install nvidia-glx. (d) Configure xorg.conf as per
04:48<themill>stuckey: you failed at step (a)
04:48<stuckey>themill: no i remember doing that
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04:48<themill>stuckey: you failed at step (a)
04:48<stuckey>i said i did that
04:48<themill>judd, kernels --release squeeze
04:48<judd>Available kernel versions are: squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9)
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04:49<themill>stuckey: then you didn't "ensure you are running the current kernel; /msg judd kernels" very carefully
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04:49<stuckey>if I do full upgrade now with sid lines in my sources it will take me to sid, won't it?
04:49<stuckey>i'll comment out the sid lines and do it again
04:49<stuckey>just to be sure
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04:50<jm_>stuckey: you're not using the kernel with matching headers
04:50<stuckey>jm_: why and how do I fix it
04:50<jm_>stuckey: see above, themill already pointed it out
04:51<jm_>just install the squeeze kernel
04:51<stuckey>jm_: do what "nvidia squeeze" says? I did that
04:51<stuckey>three times already
04:51<themill>stuckey: then three times you have failed to check that correctly
04:51<stuckey>do you think i'm making this up because i like coming to #debian and begging for help?
04:52<stuckey>(ensure you are running the current kernel; /msg judd kernels)
04:52<OutOfLine`>my fresh squeeze install boots with a console with a very small font. my eyes are not too good and i'd like to have my 80x25 console back. how?
04:52<stuckey>judd: kernels
04:52<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.4); sid: 2.6.32-4-686 (2.6.32-11); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.3-686 (2.6.32-9~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2)
04:52<stuckey>squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686
04:52<stuckey>that's what I have? is it not?
04:52<stuckey>themill: tell me how to check it
04:53<stuckey>check what? I've read the thing four times
04:53<stuckey>i've done what it says three times
04:53<jm_>stuckey: it might be installed, but you're not booting with it
04:53<themill>stuckey: As I told you last night, you need to think for yourself. You already pasted the answer in the channel earlier which is why jm_ and I spotted the problem
04:53<stuckey>jm_: i'm not on the right kernel?
04:53<stuckey>jm_: well how do i get on the right kernel?
04:53<stuckey>themill: i posted the answer? where?
04:54<themill>[09:45] <stuckey> Linux debian 2.6.32-trunk-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Jan 10 22:40:40 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
04:54<stuckey>how is that the problem?
04:54<stuckey>look i don't understand
04:54*themill gives up
04:54<stuckey>being mystic about it isn't going to help me
04:54<themill>I shouldn't have let myself get dragged in by you again. It always ends badly.
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04:54<stuckey>well don't
04:55<jm_>stuckey: which boot loader are you using?
04:55<stuckey>hmm... it's blue?
04:55<jm_>so grub? check /boot
04:55<stuckey>jm_: I installed with a squeeze cd ( lenny->squeeze failed).
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04:56<stuckey>jm_: "
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04:57<jm_>stuckey: ok so check /boot/grub/grub.cfg and see which kernels it has added
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05:01<jm_>stuckey: no need to repeat, just wait for me to look at it - I am at work; note how it added both kernels
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05:02<stuckey>jm_: that's what it should have done though right?
05:03<lwithers>hi, clamav is no longer working (upstream have made its database unusable with 0.94, which is all that is available in stable) -- is there any resolution?
05:03<jm_>stuckey: indeed, so just select the other kernel and you shall be fine
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05:03<stuckey>jm_: i select the one at the top always
05:03<stuckey>menuentry "Debian GNU/Linux, with Linux 2.6.32-trunk-amd64" --class debian --class gnu-linux --class gnu --class os {
05:03<jm_>stuckey: apparently
05:03<stuckey>that one
05:03<gsimmons>lwithers: Use clamav from volatile ; /msg dpkg volatile
05:03<stuckey>jm_: but i need to e selecting menuentry "Debian GNU/Linux, with Linux 2.6.32-3-amd64" --class debian --class gnu-linux --class gnu --class os {
05:03<lwithers>gsimmons, thank you
05:04<stuckey>jm_: well can i just get rid of the first two entries so that it will automatically boot the right kernel? and why doesn't it boot the right kernel anyway by default? how am i supposed to knwo to boot kernel #3 in the list?
05:04<jm_>stuckey: yeah or just change the default so you can just press enter/wait
05:04<jm_>stuckey: people using -trunk kernels should be familiar with this
05:05<stuckey>jm_: i didn't choose a trunk kernel. it choose me
05:05<stuckey>so I select # 3 and then do what dpkg says agian?
05:05<Escorpio>Hello, I'm trying to make a network installation with pxe. I'm using aftpd. In the client side, I recieve the error: PXE-E11: ARP timeout. In the syslog of the server I only see the assignation of the dynamic ip address
05:05<jm_>stuckey: yes
05:05<stuckey>i'll be back
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05:07<stuckey>!squeeze nvidia
05:07<stuckey>!nvidia squeeze
05:07<dpkg>non-free nvidia+squeeze guide: (a) aptitude upgrade ; aptitude full-upgrade (ensure you are running the current kernel; /msg judd kernels) (b) create a testing/unstable mix (ask me about <tum>) (c) aptitude install module-assistant; aptitude -R -t sid install nvidia-kernel-source; m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia && aptitude -t sid install nvidia-glx. (d) Configure xorg.conf as per
05:07<gsimmons>lwithers: Note that security support for ClamAV ended last October (DSA-1906-1), consider subscribing to the Debian Security Announce mailing list ; /msg dpkg dsa
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05:08<OutOfLine`>how do i get a 80x25 sized text console on a fresh squeeze install?
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05:08<themill>stuckey: out of interest, do you enable logging in your irc client or keep notes of these sessions so you can refer to them later when you next need them?
05:08<stuckey>themill: use a notebook
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05:09<stuckey>there was no way i could have known or should have been epected to know, that i had to select kernel #3 at boot time.
05:10<themill>[10:04] <jm_> stuckey: people using -trunk kernels should be familiar with this
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05:10<stuckey>themill: i didn't choose to use a trunk kernel... dpkg's instructions gave me a trunk kernel, apparently
05:11<petemc>dpkg made me do it!
05:11<dpkg>petemc: i haven't a clue
05:11<themill>dpkg's instructions did not give you a trunk kernel. If you aren't prepared to be involved in the development effort (or skilled enough to be involved in it) then you shouldn't be running squeeze.
05:12<stuckey>okay import now is, what do i do here:
05:12<jm_>first build the nvidia kernel module with m-a
05:12<Escorpio>now, atftpd is trying to serve pxeboot to another computer that has been on for two hours
05:12<nathan>hi, is there a way to test the security of my debian. Simulating differents kind of attacks for example. I'm looking for a site or a program.
05:13<stuckey>jm_: <--- where i'm at
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05:14<nathan>i've already tryed a basic scan port with nmap but i would like to test my security with more complexe attacks
05:15<jm_>stuckey: uhh, use the m-a commands from the nvidia squeeze factoid
05:15<stuckey>jm_: hmm i did. read my post?
05:15<jm_>stuckey: no, you run m-a, factoid doesn't say that
05:16<stuckey>jm_: that was a mistaken.
05:16<stuckey>jm_: i exited it immediately
05:16<stuckey>otherwise you'd see other screens about that...
05:16<jcdubacq_>If you want to paste things from m-a, use m-a -t
05:16<jm_>stuckey: ok so now install nvidia-glx with dpkg
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05:16<stuckey>jm_: dpkg says do aptitude -t sid install nvidia-glx?
05:16<stuckey>is that wrong?
05:17<jcdubacq_>do that after you built and installed the nvidia-kernel module
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05:17<stuckey>jcdubacq_: that's what I'm doing
05:17<stuckey>The following packages have unmet dependencies: nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-173.14.09
05:17<stuckey>but i have 190 kernel
05:18<stuckey>hmm gee worked the second time
05:18<stuckey>so i guess aptitude works like this: do it once and it doesn't work, aptitude update, do it again
05:19<jcdubacq_>nvidia-glx has not transitionned yet to testing.
05:19<stuckey>i'm downloading it from sid
05:20<jcdubacq_>the dependency on nvidia-kernel-173 is the dependency in squeeze, not sid
05:20<stuckey>jm_: now do i have to make an xorg file?
05:20<stuckey>jm_: installed nvidia-glx*
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05:20<jm_>stuckey: no, but it's pulling in recommends so let's avoid that - you need to install nvidia-glx from sid, is it done now?
05:20<stuckey>jm_: yes
05:21<stuckey>jm_: just kept running aptitude update aptitude install and it finally worked
05:21<stuckey>is that normal behaviour?
05:21<stuckey>jm_: how do i complete the install? is it done then?
05:21<jm_>stuckey: did you previously have X use nvidia driver?
05:21<stuckey>jm_: when? yesterday? yes
05:22<jm_>stuckey: so you should not need to change anything
05:22<stuckey>jm_: there isn't an xorg file right now
05:22<stuckey>jm_: i just nistalled this ystem within the last 12 hours
05:22<jm_>stuckey: ok, so you'll most likely have to write xorg.conf
05:23<stuckey>jm_: okay i'll do that
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05:23<stuckey>jm_: and then it's done?
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05:23<jcdubacq_> <=== this is my xorg.conf
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05:23<zaytsev> sudo pbuilder --build mc_4.7.0.3-1~karmic1~ppa1.dsc --pkgname-logfile --hookdir ~/.pbuilder/hooks
05:24<stuckey>i'll reboot and test
05:24<zaytsev>Anyone has an idea why my hooks don't get executed and there's no log in the end of the process?
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05:24<zaytsev>zaytsev@davis:~/.pbuilder/hooks$ ll => B10shell
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05:26<stuckey>how do i kill x so that I can run 'x -configure'?
05:26<dr|z3d>stuckey: kill Xorg
05:27<dr|z3d>That's not a command btw, that's advice. :)
05:27<zaytsev>ctrl+alt+backspace :)
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05:27<dr|z3d>zaytsev: That's also possible, sure :)
05:28<stuckey>didn't work
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05:28<dr|z3d>What didn't?
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05:28<stuckey>jm_: hwo do i kill xserver so that I can run configure?
05:28<dr|z3d>Come on, we're not mind readers..
05:28<stuckey>dr|z3d: ctrl alt backspace does nothing
05:28<dr|z3d>So kill Xorg.
05:28<dr|z3d>Like I said.
05:28<stuckey>dr|z3d: ? how
05:28<dr|z3d>Do you know how to kill a process?
05:28<stuckey>dr|z3d: no
05:28<dr|z3d>ps -e |grep Xorg
05:29<dr|z3d>then kill <pidofprocess>
05:29<stuckey>dr|z3d: it just restarts when i do that
05:29<stuckey>kill #
05:29<dr|z3d>Are you running a greeter? GDM?
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05:29<jm_>stuckey: are you using a display manager?
05:29<stuckey>jm_: gdm
05:30<dr|z3d>$ /etc/init.d/gsm stop
05:30<jm_>stuckey: logout from X, then on tty run 'invoke-rc.d gdm stop' as root
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05:31<stuckey>jm_: X -configure gives Segmentation fault
05:31<stuckey>"Caught signal 11"
05:31<stuckey>Server aborting
05:31<dr|z3d>stuckey: reboot.
05:31<dr|z3d>segfaults are often fixed by a reboot.
05:31<dr|z3d>especially if you've performed upgrades in that session.
05:32<stuckey>dr|z3d: i jsut rebooted
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05:32<dr|z3d>Check X's logs?
05:32<stuckey>dr|z3d: just says segmentation fault
05:32<stuckey>gives a backtrace
05:33<jm_>stuckey: so don't use X -configure then
05:33<stuckey>jm_: how do I get an xorg file then?
05:33<jm_>stuckey: write it by hand
05:33<stuckey>jm_: never done that before
05:33<Jarlaxe1>Hi folk, I have a question about aliases: i'd like to make impossible "sudo umount -a". So i though to add a line like this : alias 'sudo umount -a'='error'. But it doesn't work. Any idea ?
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05:34<stuckey>jm_: i'll reboot and try it again and if it still fails i'll write by hand
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05:34<dr|z3d>Thirsty for knowledge, that one. *chuckle*
05:35<zaytsev>Crap, crap, why pbuilder ignores the arguments that I am passing to it
05:35<zaytsev>I am trying to debug an rpath build issue which I suspect to be a Debian bug
05:35<dr|z3d>zaytsev: Give us a clue? What arguments are you passing?
05:35<jm_>stuckey: I can give you the relevant section
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05:35<zaytsev>pbuilder just does not attach ANY importance to it
05:35<dr|z3d>jm_: He's not here..
05:35<jm_>dr|z3d: yeah I noticed :)
05:35<zaytsev>dr|z3d, sudo pbuilder --build mc_4.7.0.3-1~karmic1~ppa1.dsc --pkgname-logfile --hookdir /home/zaytsev/.pbuilder/hooks
05:35<dr|z3d>Haha :)
05:36<dr|z3d>jm_: Carry on talking to ghosts, then.. don't mind me.
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05:36*dr|z3d winks.
05:36<zaytsev>dr|z3d, first: no logfile.
05:36<zaytsev>dr|z3d, second: ls /home/zaytsev/.pbuilder/hooks -> B10shell
05:37<zaytsev>dr|z3d, of course I am getting no shell. How am I supposed to debug anything ;( after it deletes the chroot?
05:37<dr|z3d>zaytsev: Good question :)
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05:37<stuckey>jm_: i removed a module and it worked
05:38<jm_>stuckey: find out which driver it's using
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05:39<stuckey>jm_: how?
05:40<stuckey>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6784 2010-04-06 05:44
05:40<stuckey>i took that module and put a "." in front of it and x -configure worked.
05:40<stuckey>do i need this module? and why didn't it work? should I file a bug report?
05:41<azeem>stuckey: file a bug report with VMWare, you mean?
05:41<jm_>stuckey: grep _drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log
05:41<azeem>ah, it's in main, sorry
05:43<dpkg>hello, zumbi
05:43<zumbi>git-core: Depends: git (> 1: but it is not installable
05:43<zumbi>E: Package git has no installation candidate
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05:44<azeem>zumbi: which version of Debian?
05:45<zumbi>on armel
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05:45<OutOfLine>sorry, i was thrown out by a local power failure and did not see any answer to my question. How do I get a text console size of 80x25 on a fresh squeeze install?
05:46<azeem>zumbi: seems it's currently unavailable
05:46<azeem>probably fails to build on armel
05:46<jm_>OutOfLine: what do you get now?
05:47<OutOfLine>a very small font, don't know the size
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05:48<jm_>what's in /proc/cmdline?
05:51<zumbi>azeem: thanks :)
05:53<zumbi>yes, git FTBFS on armel, confirmed
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06:00<stuckey>jm_: what is vmware?
06:01<stuckey>jm_: how do I switch my window manager to wmii2?
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06:01<jm_>stuckey: typically with update-alternatives
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06:02<stuckey>jm_: update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for x-windowmanager.
06:02<jm_>stuckey: x-window-manager
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06:02<stuckey>jm_: sorry, i didn't really sleep last night
06:04<stuckey>jm_: if i want to use dmm to get certain packages, do i just add a sources line in /etc/apt/sources.list or do i have to do something else special so that it doesn't hose the system?
06:06<jm_>stuckey: the former
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06:12<zoi|>Can somebody help me pleae?
06:12<zoi|>i need to install madwifi-hal-
06:13<zoi|>but when i specify KENELPATH it givess me an error:
06:13<zoi|>linux/utsrelease.h: No such file or directory
06:13<zoi|>I have kernel sources installed
06:13<dr|z3d>zoi: perhaps specify KERNELPATH instead?
06:13<dr|z3d>Unless you're trying to rehouse your dog?
06:13*dr|z3d winks.
06:14<dr|z3d><zoi|> but when i specify KENELPATH it givess me an error:
06:14<zoi|>sorry, i have bad keyboard on this computer
06:14<zoi|>that was a typo, I specified KERNELPATH, ofc
06:14*dr|z3d smiles.
06:16<locklace>!pie dr|z3d
06:16*dpkg hits dr|z3d in the face with a cream pie
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06:18<zoi|>ok, can someone help me with getting "ethernet controller: atheros communications inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI express adapter (rev 01)" to work, please?
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06:18<dpkg>[ath5k] a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 802.11a/bg PCI wireless LAN chipsets. Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.24. See for more information and supported devices. For AR5007* devices, ask me about <ar2425>. For 802.11n device support, ask me about <ath9k>. See also <>.
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06:20<zoi|>what's the problem with HAL?
06:23<slush>zoi|: elaborate
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06:25<zoi|>but that ath5k doesn't seem to be working; or most likely i misconfigured something
06:25<zoi|>i've put correct settingss in /etc/network/interfaces
06:25<zoi|>and then i did ifup wlan0
06:26<OutOfLine>jm_: ok, tput tells me i have a 160x64 console. i want 80x25
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06:28<slush>zoi|: did you insmod ath5k?
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06:29<jm_>OutOfLine: what's in /proc/cmdline?
06:30<OutOfLine>can't cat&pase so only the tail ... ro quiet
06:30<OutOfLine>no vga-mode or similar
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06:32<jm_>which modules are loaded?
06:33<jm_>see if you can locate some video related ones there
06:33<OutOfLine>hmm, very difficult to read for me...
06:34<OutOfLine>what would be a good string to grep for?
06:35<jm_>I don't know since I don't use this stuff, can't you simply paste it to a pastebin?
06:35<OutOfLine>btw it is a board with an intel atom 510, grafic is in the processor
06:35<jm_>right, I also have that - does yours also report inconsistent temperatures?
06:35<zoi|> here;s my /etc/network/interfaces, i'd be glad if someone could help me with that ath5k
06:36<OutOfLine>jm_: where do i look for temperature?
06:36<jm_>OutOfLine: in BIOS or using lm-sensors, but don't bother with this now
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06:37<slush>zoi|: you have a typo in it 'netmassk' should be with 1 s
06:37<slush>zoi|: what is the problem, really?
06:40<zoi|>damn, sorry, the problem is that i'm trying to setup wireless on the computer which dont have access to the internet. So when I pastebin files i type them out by hand and keyboard on this laptop sucks (it's missing some buttons) so i got this stupid typo which i dont have in my /etc/network/interfacess. The problem is I dont have internet access altho I followed the instructions in
06:40<zoi|>I'm not connected to my wifi network
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06:41<slush>zoi|: lenny or squeeze?
06:41<zoi|>kernel version 2.6.26-2-amd64
06:43<slush>and when you do 'ifup wlan0', what happens?
06:44<zoi|>i mean there is no output
06:44<zoi|># ifup wlan0
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06:48<slush>zoi|: and what does 'ifconfig' tells you then (and why don't you use network manager)
06:48<ansgar>zoi|: Do you have by change a AR242*7* card? They are for example in some EeePC models.
06:49<ansgar>zoi|: (The PCI id is 168C:002C)
06:49<zoi|>slush: i dont have xorg installed and i cant install it since i dont have internet acces
06:50<zoi|>ansgar: I have "ethernet controller: atheros communications inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI express adapter (rev 01)"
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06:51<ansgar>zoi|: lspci -nn will tell you the numeric id.
06:52<jm_>OutOfLine: ahh is this 2.6.32?
06:52<OutOfLine>squeeze, yes
06:53<zoi|> ifconfig
06:53<jm_>OutOfLine: right, your using KMS, simply don't load kms: i915.modeset=0 AFAIK
06:53<JohnDoh>hi, could any one help with with a raid problem with esx please? i have a raid with 3 paritions, esx is installed on one of the paritions and it works but it cannot see the other 2 partitions. if i boot into knoppix i can see all 3
06:53<zoi|>ansgar: [0200]: Atheros ... ... .. [168c:001c] (rev 01)
06:53<jm_>OutOfLine: or maybe "nomodeset" - they are both kernel parameters
06:54<jm_>OutOfLine: also check /etc/modprobe.d/i915-kms.conf
06:54<JohnDoh>sorry wrong chan please ignore
06:54<themill>,pciid 168c:001c
06:54<judd>[168c:001c] is 'AR5001 Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with kernel module 'ath5k' in lenny. See also and the out-of-tree 'ath_pci' module.
06:54<OutOfLine>jm_: have to leave for about 10 minutes, bbl
06:56<zoi|>themill: i followed the instructions on wiki but to no avail
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06:58<slush>zoi|: did you also follow
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07:04<stuckey>When will squeeze be stable and what version of nvidia drivers will it have when it is?
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07:05<zoi|>slush: now it says "Dont seem to have all the wariables for wlan0/inet. Failed to bring up wlan0"
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07:05<stuckey>When I install packages aptitude favours sid instead of squeeze. I had sid lines in my sources. Why is this?
07:06<stuckey>Shouldn't it be tracking squeeze?
07:06<stuckey>Or should I just let it keep installing stuff from sid?
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07:09<pishguy>hi all . who to find any picture from ian Murdock ?
07:09<pishguy>hi all . who to find any picture from ian Murdock ?
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07:13<slush>zoi|: then you didn't read it carefully
07:13<zoi|>i think i did :(
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07:13<slush>especially at point 3
07:14<pishguy>hi all . who to find any picture from ian Murdock ?
07:14<themill>pishguy: /msg dpkg repeat ; /msg dpkg google
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07:15<zoi|>Verify your device has an available interface:
07:15<zoi|>i did that!
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07:16<pishguy> themill: i can't find on google.
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07:17<gsimmons>zoi|: slush is referring to the wpa_supplicant procedure (WiFi/HowToUse), not the ath5k one. Are you attempting to join a WPA protected or WEP "protected" network?
07:17<themill>pishguy: seriously.... the results page shows several thumbnails and the first hit is his blog that has a picture on it.
07:17<jm_>indeed, I was just about to say he has the pic in his blog
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07:18<OutOfLine>jm_: /etc/modprobe.d/i915-kms.conf is options i915 modeset=1
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07:18<jm_>OutOfLine: right, setting it to 0 shall disable it
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07:19<OutOfLine>will try that. on the other hand i would like to try kms, but only if possible with 80x25
07:20<jm_>i need to check if using kms on my atom leads to lower power usage, but it needs one additional change which is disabled by default in 2.6.33
07:20<zoi|>gsimmons: it's wpa
07:20<stuckey>jm_: what nvidia drivers will squeeze have when it is stable?
07:21<pishguy> themill: thanks
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07:21<gsimmons>zoi|: Looks like you're doing something wrong. Can you pastebin your current /etc/network/interfaces?
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07:23*OutOfLine trying to find out how kms works together with desired console zize
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07:24<OutOfLine>as i am on the console most of the time but have to switch to X and back every now and then kms *would* be interesting
07:24<jm_>stuckey: i have no idea
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07:25<jm_>OutOfLine: I think you can set GRUB_GFXMODE and some other variable in /etc/default/grub and it shall use that
07:25<stuckey>jm_: should aptitude be install stuff from sid automatically? I thought I was just supposed to leave sid lines in my sources?
07:25<stuckey>jm_: when I do aptitude install icedove, it wants to install it from sid
07:25<stuckey>i have to do aptitude -t squeeze install icedove to get it from squeeze
07:25<stuckey>why is that?
07:26<jm_>stuckey: that's becuse your eapt configuration is not proper, try setting default release
07:26<dpkg>echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to sid. then apt-get update. use apt-get -t sid install foo; to install foo from sid rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release. set Preferences->Distribution
07:26<jm_>what is tum short for?
07:26<themill>(that was another step in "nvidia squeeze"...)
07:26<themill>dpkg, literal tum
07:26<dpkg>"tum" is "<reply>see testing/unstable mix"
07:26<jm_>ahh thanks
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07:27<stuckey>themill: do you know which nvidia drivers squeeze will have when it becomes stable? I really want to just use stable
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07:28<zoi|>uhh, sorry i messed things up
07:29<zoi|>i have wep
07:29<zoi|>i'm sorry :[
07:30<gsimmons>zoi|: No problem. wpa_supplicant is not necessary, see for an example interfaces configuration.
07:32<zoi|>gsimmons: i had those setting before and now when i tried it i got the same result: ifup wlan0 gives no output, but when i try to ping the network is unreachable
07:33<edrz>guten morgen
07:33<zoi|>good morning, edrz
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07:39<gsimmons>zoi|: ifup will only bark when there's a problem, use -v to see the executed commands. Confirm the SSID and key are correct (note the s: prefix when providing the key as an ASCII string) and verify you are not subjected to a MAC address restriction.
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07:46<zoi|>gsimmons: i just tried the same configuration on other computer and it's working
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07:56<slush>zoi|: avoid using conflicting ip's and as gsimmons told you, also verify you are not subjected to a MAC address restriction
07:57<zoi|>I'm sure that i'm not using conflicted ips and i'm not ubjected to mac restrictions (in router settings)
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08:01<OutOfLine>jm_: nomodeset does not change screen size here
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08:04<mettao87>hi... what is the difference between: squeeze alpha 1 and weekly-builds? thanks
08:04<jm_>OutOfLine: then try the other option
08:04<OutOfLine>does not help either
08:05<OutOfLine>maybe it is not related to kms?
08:06<mettao87>I want to install testing distro but I don't know if I need to use weekly-builds or alpha1.. can you help?
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08:07<jm_>OutOfLine: I'm almost certain it is KMS, did you reboot when changing this?
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08:09<jm_>OutOfLine: did you also try i915.modeset=0 ?
08:09<OutOfLine>hmm, but maybe i did something wrong. lsmode | grep kms still gives something, wait can't read it well
08:10<OutOfLine>no, must try i915.modeset=0 now
08:10<jm_>but i think that's if i915 is built-in, for module case using modeset=0 option should work
08:12<OutOfLine>ah, that's better
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08:12<slush>zoi|: what does 'iwconfig' output tells you
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08:13<zoi|>slush: when wlan0 is down or after i did ifup wlan0?
08:13<OutOfLine>jm_: i still would prefer if i can have both, kms *and* 80x25 ;)
08:13<slush>doesnt matter
08:13<OutOfLine>jm_: should i try 2.6.33, maybe
08:14<jm_>OutOfLine: I find it hard to believe they went and designed a new subsystem, yet something so simple like changing resolution is not available
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08:14<OutOfLine>yes, me too.
08:14<OutOfLine>GRUB_GFXMODE probably does not help per se
08:15<jm_>I think it also needs GRUB_GFXMODE_LINUX or somesuch too
08:15<OutOfLine>grub menu is in the desired size already
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08:18<OutOfLine>jm_: /etc/default/grub does not set GRUB_GFXMODE
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08:19<OutOfLine>the commented out version is 640x480, so talks about pixels, not lines and columns
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08:24<jm_>OutOfLine: I am not really familiar with this since my version if grub is so old it doesn't know about it - yes, so 640x480 with a 8x16 font gives you 80x30 or somesuch
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08:25<jm_>in good old days one used stm to change stuff
08:26<OutOfLine>jm_: ok i was setting GRUB_GFXMODE and GRUB_GFXMODE_LINUX, did update-grub and rebooted, still the same :(
08:26<zoi|>slush: any ideas?
08:26<jm_>OutOfLine: what did you set GRUB_GFXMODE_LINUX to?
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08:27<jm_>try setting it to "keep"
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08:29<OutOfLine>btw, i see that GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_RECOVERY only influences squeeze, but not my sid installation on another partition
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08:31<slush>zoi|: hmm, can you see it in your router?
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08:31<zoi|>also lsmod gives me 'ath5k 98688 0'. why 0?
08:32<OutOfLine>jm_: keep does not help
08:32<OutOfLine>btw my sid installation does not do this and comes up with 80x25
08:32<slush>zoi|: it isnt used by other modules
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08:33<OutOfLine>jm_: it is avery minimal install right now, not even 'basic'
08:33<OutOfLine>that's why i think it might be orthogonal to kms
08:34<OutOfLine>how do i know if i use kms at all? lsmod?
08:34<jm_>OutOfLine: you do, notice i915 and kms in lsmod output
08:35<zoi|>slush: no, i dont see it in my 'wireless clients' table
08:35<jm_>maybe try blacklisting the module too
08:36<OutOfLine>you mean to avoid kms?
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08:37<bremner_>OutOfLine: see /etc/modprobe.d/i915-kms.conf
08:37<bremner_>I think that is in the kernel release notes; checking.
08:38<OutOfLine>i already did experiment with that, the console did not change to 80x25
08:39<zoi|>slush: maybe i should try different drivers?
08:40<OutOfLine>the only thing dad *did* give me 80x25 was kernel parameter i915.modeset=0
08:40<OutOfLine>but i assume that was without kms then
08:41<jm_>OutOfLine: hmm not sure, try starting X and see
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08:42<slush>zoi|: no, that's probably not going to work .. My guess would be that there is something wrong and we/you are overlooking it
08:43<OutOfLine>must do another thing and will be back after short time, thanks a lot for your help so far
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08:45<slush>zoi|: does your router have some kind of event logging?
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08:46<lancelot_of>hi all
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08:48<lancelot_of>how does color prompt enabling, in .bashrc, sets the effective prompt colours?
08:49<jm_>lancelot_of: it uses ANSI codes
08:49<edrz> /j #debian-devel
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08:51<lancelot_of>i'd like to change prompt colours in terminals in order to have my favourite text colour not conflicting with pompt (and not eye stressing)
08:51<jm_>so change the prompt
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08:52<lancelot_of>jm_, is what i'm trying to do...what do you mean exactly?Maybe prompt colours cannot be changed?
08:52<jm_>lancelot_of: sure they can
08:53<lancelot_of>jm_, so howto?
08:53<jm_>lancelot_of: how do you set the prompt now?
08:54<lancelot_of>jm_, i've enabled fancy colours prompt in my .bashrc
08:54<jm_>lancelot_of: how exactly?
08:54<lancelot_of>jm_, would you read the code^
08:54<jm_>lancelot_of: which code?
08:55<lancelot_of>jm_, in .bash_rc
08:55<jm_>lancelot_of: if you paste it on a pastebin
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08:57<jm_>lancelot_of: you have the numbers right there - 32, 31, 33 - those are colours
08:58<jm_>ugh it's just 32 and 34
08:58<jm_>1 is bold, 32 is gree and 34 is blue
08:59<lancelot_of>jm_, so i can change that numbers in order to change prompt colours and rendering(bold/italic), right?
08:59<slush>zoi|: does 'iwlist wlan0 scan' output a list of access points, and is yours in that list?
09:00<OutOfLine>lancelot_of: the url i gave above has an interesting example on how to set colour in the prompt
09:00<lancelot_of>OutOfLine, i'm reading it...thanks
09:00<jm_>lancelot_of: right, not italic though, just bold
09:00<lancelot_of>jm_, just bold/unbold?
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09:01<jm_>lancelot_of: underline, bold, reverse video, blink, fg/bg colours in general
09:01<jm_>lancelot_of: man console_codes, search for "black fo" to get a list of numbers
09:01<lancelot_of>ok thanks a lot jm_ and OutOfLine
09:01<OutOfLine>lancelot_of: and man terminfo(5)
09:01<jm_>a few lines up is where bold and reset all is described
09:02<lancelot_of>i'm going to enjoy :)
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09:03<OutOfLine>jm_: i915.modeset=0 gives 80x25, does *not* switch nicely from console to X, but lsmod still has drm_kms_helper
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09:04*OutOfLine confused
09:05<OutOfLine>jm_: and lsmod also has i915
09:06-!-mode/#debian [+l 434] by debhelper
09:06<OutOfLine>so i still have kms but it does not work, or what?
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09:06<jm_>OutOfLine: right, so what is need is kms with support for multiple resolutions like we had in the old days, but then "tty change is really fast now" will no longer be true
09:07<OutOfLine>hmm, maybe my kernel is too old?
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09:08<jm_>I doubt
09:08<jm_>sinc debian's 2.6.32 has many fixes from 2.6.33 backported AFAIK
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09:12<jm_>have to run now
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09:13<OutOfLine>jmho_: ty, bye
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09:23<clocker>I've tried changing the name in the sources list
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09:24<clocker>I've added all the discs to the list via apt-cdrom through that drive.. the ident option doesn't see the other drive
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09:31<peneadicto>se busca niños italianos en la ciudad del vaticano menores de 12 años;P
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09:31<XayOn>lol, wtf?
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09:41<zoi|>slush: it says 'No scan results'
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09:50<slush>and 'iwlist ath0 ap' ?
09:51<zoi|>interface doen't have a list of Peers/Access-points
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09:52<slush>hmm, anything in your syslog?
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09:55<zoi|>slush: hm.. how do I check syslog?
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09:56<slush>zoi|: less /var/log/syslog
09:56<zoi|>hmm there are a lot of logs there
09:57<zoi|>for what i should search
09:58<zoi|>last line iss "wlan0: link is not ready", but that was a startup
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10:04<zoi|>i think i'll try other drivers
10:04<gsimmons>zoi|: Try using ath5k in 2.6.32 via lenny-backports first ; /msg dpkg bpo
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10:05<zoi|>i'll try hal and after that i'll go for backports
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10:05<miguel000>how can i copy all files i obtain via find to a specified directory
10:06<thrice>cp $( find / blahblah ) your_new_dir
10:06<miguel000>something like cp {find -iname *term*} ~/myfoundfiles/
10:06<miguel000>oook perfect
10:06<miguel000>thats exactly what i wanted thank you
10:06<miguel000>so I was not sooo wrong
10:07<miguel000>however I wonder if the paths will get lost during that
10:07<themill>miguel000: don't use that if there are spaces etc in your filenames
10:07<slush>miguel000: find -iname *term* -exec cp {} ~/myfoundfiles \;
10:07<miguel000>they ARE
10:08<miguel000>is -exec part of find
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10:08<miguel000>and {} means like: iterate throug all
10:08<miguel000>and whats the \; ?
10:09<slush>that's part of the -exec
10:09<slush>`{}' is replaced by the current file name being processed
10:09<slush>read the manpage :)
10:09<miguel000>yah youre right, I should learn to read more the included documentation
10:09<miguel000>but thx for the hints!
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10:20<dpkg>Kurumin Linux was a Brazilian Linux distribution originally based on <Knoppix>, then Debian Etch. Discontinued January 29 2009: , . Ask me about <install debian>.
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10:37<WD_40>greetings, all
10:37<WD_40>I'm having a bit of a problem with one of my Debian boxes. I'm able to ping addresses, but unable to resolve domain names
10:38<WD_40>I've tried various different servers in resolv.conf and am currently using Google's public server:
10:38<WD_40>I can ping various DNS servers, but can't resolve anything when I use them in resolv.conf
10:38<WD_40>I'm out of ideas right now. What should I look at next?
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10:40<slush>WD_40: what's in /etc/host.conf ?
10:42<WD_40>multi on
10:42<WD_40>that's it
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10:45<slush>ok, what do you have in resolv.conf ?
10:45<WD_40>that's it
10:45<WD_40>and I can ping that address from the machine that's acting up
10:46<slush>wth :)
10:46<WD_40>yeah, it's weird
10:47<WD_40>it's been working for months and apparently it stopped working last night
10:47<slush>what does 'dig' ?
10:48<WD_40>; <<>> DiG 9.3.4 <<>>
10:48<WD_40>;; global options: printcmd
10:48<WD_40>;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
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10:48<slush>WD_40: /msg dpkg pastebin
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10:50<binsaif># linuxac
10:50<slush>binsaif: /join #linuxac
10:50<slush>WD_40: no firewall that's acting up?
10:50<WD_40>doesn't appear to be. I'm going through the settings now making sure there's nothing blocking 53 or something goofy like that
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10:52<WD_40>I'm wondering what kinds of things at a deeper level might go haywire...
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10:52<WD_40>but I have no clue where to start
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10:53<][TechGuy>hi guys
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10:53<slush>WD_40: nothing in your syslog that makes sence?
10:54<WD_40>I've got Squid complaining that it can't perform DNS lookup tests
10:54<][TechGuy>i have a wireless usb network card edimax EW-7711UTn but looks like there is no make file in official driver package :( what can i doo
10:55<WD_40>but I take that to be symptom of the problem, not the problem itself
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10:55<slush>WD_40: indeed
10:55<jyraia>hello people, after i've compiled kernel 2.6.32
10:55<gsimmons>][TechGuy: There may already be support for your device in the Linux mainline kernel. What is the USB ID of your device (lsusb)?
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10:56<jyraia>i get kernel panic, i could see the compile does not create a initrd image
10:56<][TechGuy>1 sec
10:56<jyraia>could be this the cause of kernel panic?
10:59<slush>WD_40: what does 'host' give you?
11:00<WD_40>;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
11:00<gsimmons>][TechGuy: No private messages, please.
11:00<WD_40>when using as the example
11:00<][TechGuy>Bus 008 Device 008: ID 7392:7711 Edimax Technology Co., Ltd EW-7711UTn nLite Wireless USB Adapter
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11:00<gsimmons>dpkg: tell ][TechGuy -about rt2870sta
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11:01<slush>WD_40: is a legit domain ;)
11:01<WD_40>duly noted
11:01<WD_40>and same result
11:01<miguel000>ah, xmonad seems not to be wmctrl compatible :(
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11:05<][TechGuy>how can i ubtate my kernet to 2.4.32 ?
11:05<centyx>miguel000: I don't know much about xmonad, but you may be interested in wmii and rumai if you're looking for a dynamic tiling window manager and want to be able to control it from the command line.
11:05<gsimmons>][TechGuy: See
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11:07<miguel000>centyx, : im very happy with xmonad so far, but i wanted to have a script that will switch between workspace automatically
11:07<centyx>miguel000: ah, you should be able to do that
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11:08<miguel000>is there some other way then "wmctrl -s workspace_num" ?
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11:10<slush>WD_40: do you have unattended updating on that box?
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11:10<WD_40>no sir
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11:11<][TechGuy>gsimons thx m8 this info is great
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11:16<][TechGuy>FATAL: Module rt2870sta not found.
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11:17<][TechGuy>ah i have to restart system :D
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11:18<Brodziak>hello, may i ask something? :)
11:18<slush>Brodziak: ofcourse
11:18<slush>WD_40: I have no clue
11:18<WD_40>well shucks
11:18<WD_40>thanks for devoting some brainpower to it anyway
11:19<jthomas_sb>I've got SSH jails set up for numerous users and, while most everything works fine, we get a locale issue when running SVN commands: "svn: warning: cannot set LC_CTYPE locale" Running "export LC_ALL=C" fixes this, but how can I make it work upon login? .bashrc file seems to be ignored
11:19<WD_40>I'm googling anything I can think of but haven't found anything useful yet
11:20<jthomas_sb>WD_40 do you have /etc/nsswitch ?
11:20<jthomas_sb>er, /etc/nsswitch.conf
11:20<Brodziak>i got pc with amd athlon 2500 xp (1 core, 32 bit); what kind of debian i need to download?
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11:20<Brodziak>(saw amd64 only)
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11:21<WD_40>jthomas_sb: yes, let me pastebin it
11:22<Brodziak>any answers? :)
11:22<jthomas_sb>Brodziak I'd recommend the netinstall Lenny setup, if you're familiar with Debian and using the command line (vim, apt-get). Install that, and then install the additional softwares that you need (editing the /etc/apt/sources.list file to get Testing or Sid if you prefer). The Testing (Squeeze) installers haven't yet worked for me.
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11:23<jthomas_sb>Brodziak if you're not familiar with those things, then I am not sure what to tell you. Try SimplyMepis 8.5 :)
11:24<Brodziak>indeed, i wanted to start learning debian :)
11:24<jthomas_sb>WD_40 line 12 is what I was thinking about, but it looks fine. Do you have resolvconf installed? its a headache and is not really related to /etc/resolv.conf
11:24<WD_40>no sir
11:24<WD_40>no resolvconf
11:24<jthomas_sb>hmm ok
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11:25<jthomas_sb>maybe your firewall is blocking DNS requests on UDP port 53
11:25<WD_40>I flushed all my firewall rules just to eliminate that as a possibility
11:25<WD_40>same result
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11:26<WD_40>flushed all rules and set everything to ACCEPT
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11:26<slush>Brodziak: you need i386
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11:26<jthomas_sb>WD_40 it could also be the external firewall, like your router
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11:27<jthomas_sb>seems unusual tho
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11:27<WD->okay, back
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11:28<jthomas_sb>WD_40 or WD- it could also be the external firewall, like your router, seems unusual tho
11:28<Brodziak>jthomas_sb thank you :)
11:28<WD_40>it could be...
11:29<jthomas_sb>do you have other machines on that network that you can test with?
11:29<WD_40>every other machine on the network I've tried can do lookups
11:29<jthomas_sb>do you have a default gateway set up on that computer?
11:29<jthomas_sb>is it set with static or DHCP network address?
11:29<WD_40>and I can ping internet addresses
11:29<Brodziak>seems that web description dont lie... really quick support
11:30<jthomas_sb>would you want to try running dhclient (as root) to see if getting a DHCP address changes things?
11:30<jthomas_sb>Brodziak ;)
11:30<WD_40>well... this system -is- the dhcp server
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11:30<WD_40>this system does dhcp, routing/firewall and transparent proxy
11:31<Brodziak>i g2g now, thanks for all ^^
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11:31<WD_40>and it sits behind a hardware router
11:32<miguel000>whats wrong about this: echo out${date +%H%M%S}.png
11:32<miguel000> ?
11:32<miguel000>i get "bad subsititutuon"
11:32<jthomas_sb>try " echo out`date +%H%M`.png "
11:33<jthomas_sb>try echo out`date +%H%M`.png
11:33<thrice>miguel000, (), not {}
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11:33<miguel000>ah allright, that works thx
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11:36<jthomas_sb>WD_40 I am short on additional ideas mate, sorry
11:36<WD_40>that's okay. thanks for giving it a shot
11:36<WD_40>I'm baffled here.
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11:38<jthomas_sb>what about using another name server, like openDNS at ? just to rule out the Google name server
11:39<slush>the google name server worked here
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11:39<WD_40>I've tried several
11:39<slush>you could try installing a dns server on your own, see if that can achieve something
11:39<WD_40>yeah, that might be the next step...
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11:40<WD_40>I try to keep this server to a bare minimum as far as services, but it might not be an option now
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11:40<WD_40>let me try
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11:40<slush>just try with the host command
11:40<jthomas_sb>Does the static set IP config have: iface eth0 inet static \\ address \\ netmask \\ network \\ broadcast (obviously, change as needed, but those are the required fields)
11:41<petemc>network and broadcast arent required
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11:41<jthomas_sb>ah but gateway, i missed that.
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11:41<WD_40>I have inet addr, bcast, mask
11:42<WD_40>it has an inet6 addy too, but I'm assuming I can ignore that
11:42<WD_40>and route shows a default gw
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11:42<WD_40>(and my ability to ping internet addresses would confirm that it's working)
11:42<WD_40># host
11:42<WD_40>;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
11:42<slush>WD_40: use host -4
11:42<slush>just to be sure
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11:43<WD_40>host -4
11:43<WD_40>same result
11:43<jthomas_sb>something seems to be blocking port 53 if you can ping but cannot use it to resolve domains
11:43<slush>hmm ok, that ruled out the ipv6 addy
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11:44<WD_40>let me double-check the hardware router here...
11:44*bja points tha port 53 over tcp and udp are required to do proper dns. nmap is your friend
11:44<johnfg>Hey guys, I've got a new cd/dvd rw in my laptop. It's fine in the other os's that I'm running, but lenny cd writer doesn't always see the cd or dvd that I'd like to burn. Is this a known problem/bug?
11:44<slush>WD_40: can you 'telnet 53' ?
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11:46<WD_40>I did 'telnet 53'
11:46<WD_40>and got:
11:46<WD_40>telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Network is unreachable
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11:47<WD_40>would seem to indicate some sort of firewalling, wouldn't it?
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11:48<bja>WD_40: yes
11:48<bja>or at least the server is not listening on that port
11:48<slush> is answering on that port
11:48<jthomas_sb>try other DNS IPs, i would bet they all fail
11:48<prahal>hi did anyone encountered the Error in getting active connection 'Vpn' property : (19) Method "Get" with signature "ss" on interface "org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties" doesn't exist ? with NM 0.8 ? I upgraded to upstream git and tried to tweak the code with no luck so far
11:49<WD_40>yeah, I can confirm that the server is listening on 53
11:50<prahal>it looks like the dbus path on which this interface is called is not existing (also to note that it works when cnetworkmanager is used to trigger the connection)
11:50<WD_40> <-here's the output of 'iptables -L'
11:50<bja>WD_40: try nmap -p53
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11:51<WD_40>state: filtered
11:51<bja>Definetely there is a firewall between you and the server
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11:52<WD_40>what's weird is that all the computers on the network go through this problem server
11:52<WD_40>oh wait...
11:52<WD_40>I wonder if my ISP is blocking me
11:53<WD_40>it's the only thing I can think of
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11:53<jthomas_sb>why would they?
11:53<WD_40>no clue
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11:54<WD_40>it has to be that though
11:54<WD_40>because the hardware router can't DNS either
11:55<slush>those pc's behind this server, can they resolve?
11:55<WD_40>yes and no....
11:55<WD_40>it looks like this: internet <-> hdwr router <-> linux router <-> LAN
11:56<WD_40>the hardware router does NAT and the linux router is simply a pass-through
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11:56<WD_40>designed for MITM firewalling and transparent proxying
11:56<WD_40>the computer I'm IRCing from now follows that same path but gets a different IP at the hardware router than other users
11:57<WD_40>other users on the LAN that use the same IP as the problem server are not able to resolve
11:57<WD_40>but can ping
11:57<WD_40>does that make sense?
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11:57<WD_40>so it seems to me that the main IP address is being filtered
11:58<WD_40>hmm.... although the hardware router just resolved...
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12:01<bja>!es-social bakugan
12:01<dpkg>bakugan: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
12:01<bja>bakugan: calla
12:01<bakugan>ola ay alguien
12:02<bakugan>ay alguien
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12:02<bakugan>ay alguien
12:02<bja>tienes un mensaje privado buscalo
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12:02<jthomas_sb>no hay nadie, somos fantasmos.
12:03<bja>jthomas_sb: it is el fantasma. Those quirks languages have
12:04<jthomas_sb>yep thanks, always more to learn and re-re-remember ;)
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12:07<WD_40>all right, so I need to figure out at what level my DNS requests are being filtered.
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12:12<dutchfish>hi, is there a more elaborating manual on setting up Onak on a db4.8 backend then the suplied docs in the Debian package?
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12:15<WD_40>alright... the "53 = filtered" thing might not be as good a tip as I first though
12:16<WD_40>I did a full scan on that DNS server and the result was: All 1697 scanned ports on are filtered
12:19<WD_40>that machine can't telnet to 80 (google www server)
12:19<WD_40>same error: network is unreachable
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12:22<slush>WD_40: seems to me that there is something wrong between your server and the hardware router. If you are using a pc behind the same router, but on a different port and you can telnet, use dns, etc ..
12:22<gil>I need some help with dual monitor setup.
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12:23<WD_40>slush: yeah that's what it appears to be
12:24<gil>I got dual monitor setup and running fin via the Nvidia utility but when computer goes to standby/sleep i cannot resume. what can be done about this?
12:24<WD_40>I can operate everything fine from the hardware router (dns, telnet, etc)
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12:24<jthomas_sb>gil using the official NVidia drivers? maybe ask on in #nvidia perhaps?
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12:26<chealer>gil: why can you not resume?
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12:30<slush>WD_40: guess you'll have to double-check your settings, maybe see if the hardware router has some logging .. maybe try other settings and see if you can diagnose the nic (you never know)
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12:31<Brodziak>hello i am back
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12:31<Brodziak>got other problem when trying to install debian :S
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12:32<slush>WD_40: gotta go, good luck and hopefully you find a solution
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12:32<Brodziak>as were told i tried web install, but... it want cd
12:33<Brodziak>ah.. "net install"
12:33<Brodziak>any clues? :)
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12:36<Brodziak>please, i need help :(
12:38<adb> /msg dpkg netinst
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12:53<thrice>I don't understand your question :(
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13:07<pegaso>Hi| Do you know of any way to test the video card ram and eventually exclude defective cells of memory (like memtest)?
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13:11<jthomas_sb>Brodziak sorry, the net-install is still a CD, just very small for quick downloads; you then get the rest of the OS (like KDE graphicl stuff or whatever you need) via aptitude over the web
13:12<jthomas_sb>How do I get .bashrc to run at login? I've got SSH jails set up for numerous users and, while most everything works fine, we get a locale issue when running SVN commands: "svn: warning: cannot set LC_CTYPE locale" Running "export LC_ALL=C" fixes this, but how can I make it work upon login? .bashrc file seems to be ignored
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13:12<Brodziak>hey jthomas_sb, its great to hear your answer
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13:13<meowcats>hello, today i log into debian, and try to access folders in thunar, but i cant open anything
13:13<jthomas_sb>Brodziak so where are you stuck? can you burn the .iso image onto a CD ?
13:13<meowcats>only can open if thunar has su privilege
13:13<Brodziak>jthomas_sb i need to buy cd first ^^
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13:13<jthomas_sb>meowcats is your drive full, and there isn't space for temp files? open a terminal and run 'df' and see if anything says 100%
13:14<meowcats>its all drives
13:14<meowcats>including root
13:14<meowcats>can navigate normally via terminal
13:14<jthomas_sb>Brodziak ah ouch... do you have a USB thumb drive? you can 'copy' onto that and then boot from that (depending on the BIOS) and then install
13:14<jthomas_sb>all drives are 100% full, meowcats ?
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13:15<meowcats>no, no drives even close to 100%
13:15<meowcats>cant even open home folder
13:15<jthomas_sb>Brodziak if you go that route, you need special software to make that USB drive work that way
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13:16<Brodziak>jthomas_sb nah its no need to be hasty now, i will bring a cd tomorrow :)
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13:18<meowcats>i can create documents and folder via thunar too :|
13:18<meowcats>just cant open them
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13:21<meowcats>ah, a bug report was already filed for this
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13:24<jthomas_sb>so it just seems that you need to use a different view mode, so odd.
13:24<meowcats>yes, it works in compact, and icon
13:25<meowcats>just not detailed
13:25<jthomas_sb>gnome doesn't like giving many details anyways ;)
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13:25<meowcats>i run xfce
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13:26<meowcats>thunar is xfce, nautilus is gnome ;)
13:27<centyx>and mycat will throw things at me.
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13:31<centyx>meowcats: nice nick.
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13:32<pegaso>Hi| Do you know of any way to test the video card ram and eventually exclude defective cells of memory (like memtest)?
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13:37<bja>pegaso: check on nvidia, they are developing a language compiler or something making use of their high end video cards to do paralell processing. I can't recall the name, but i am sure they can give you a hand
13:38<titan8990>bja: cuda?
13:38*bja is fgi cuda
13:38<bja>titan8990: bingo
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13:39<bja>pegaso: that would be in #nvidia on
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13:40<titan8990>bja: there is a specific #cuda channel on freenode
13:40<bja>titan8990: good to know thx
13:40<pegaso>but the card is an old ati radeon 7000 with 64Mb
13:40<titan8990>ATI's versions is known as stream
13:41<pegaso>IIRC memtest can exclude defective memory cells after a test
13:41<pegaso>I'd like to do the same with videocard
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13:44<titan8990>pegaso: I am not aware of anything. I would follow up with bja's suggestion of a channel more video-card oriented
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13:44<pegaso>ok thx
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13:46<bja>Is there a way to change the pager on mysql client?
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13:47<retrospectacus>I would like to do: cp -r /some/svn/path/trunk /other/place/ # but I want to omit all the hidden folders in the trunk subtree. how to?
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13:47<titan8990>bja: I set my system pager to /usr/bin/most with update-alternatives and I can't recall anything trying to use a different pager
13:47<titan8990>bja: so try setting it system-wide
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13:47<bja>titan8990: I'll try thx
13:47<retrospectacus>bja: mysql> \P less
13:48<titan8990>retrospectacus: believe: cp -r /some/svn/path/trunk/* would do it, but it will not copy the dir name "trunk"
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13:48<bja>retrospectacus: thx for the insight, but actually i am trying to use most. :)
13:48<retrospectacus>bja: mysql> \P most :P
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13:49<retrospectacus>titan8990: every subdir in a svn path has also the hidden directory ".svn"
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13:50<retrospectacus>I want to skip them all...
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13:50<kop>retrospectacus: Use rsync or tar.
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13:51<titan8990>kop: --exclude=\.*?
13:51<kop>titan8990: yes.
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13:52<retrospectacus>tar?... I'll try rsync with --exclude thanks!
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13:53<kop>retrospectacus: tar -C foo -cf - bar | tar -C baz -xf -
13:53<kop>retrospectacus: With --exclude too of course.
13:54<kop>retrospectacus: It's a common way to copy across a network by throwing ssh in on one side or the other of the pipe.
13:55<mcrijns>hi everyone!
13:55<retrospectacus>neat thanks kop
13:56<bja>retrospectacus: ok setting most as a pager didn't do the whole trick although it helped a lot. How on earth do i manage to tell mysql to output everycolumn of every register like pgsql?
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13:56<bja>Is it asking too much?
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13:58<retrospectacus>I'm not sure what you mean by every column of every register...
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14:00<bja>retrospectacus: i wan't a nice table that i can take a look at. Whenever the number of columns is not so large everythings seemss to work ok. When i do a select * things get ... barely readable
14:01<retrospectacus>bja: you may try setting the pager to "less -S" or you can append your select * with \G instead of ;
14:01<titan8990>bja: I use mysql-query-browser when I want to manually look at a data. Not really possible if the server lacks a gui and mysql does not listen on an external tcp port though
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14:03<bja>titan8990: I am trying to get rid of mysql-query-browser, it is indeed buggy.
14:03<bja>retrospectacus: thx i'll try it right now
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14:04<titan8990>bja: yeah, it has crashed on me a few times
14:05<nostmith>it seems that the server has problems. any idea who should be noticed about this? i've tried to reach it by http and ftp, but none worked and is been like that since almost 2 days now.
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14:08<titan8990>nostmith: assuming that also covers, here looks like a good place:;dist=unstable
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14:22<bja>retrospectacus: thx not entirely adhoc. it will do.
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14:26<dutchfish>How to get a list of the RC bugs of the packages that i curently have installed?
14:26<handheldCar>Real free software enthusiasts use PostgreSQL and phpPgAdmin.
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14:31<jackyf>dutchfish: rc-alert
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14:37<dutchfish>jackyf: thanks
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14:40<MeglaW_>haha snyggt namn rootmos
14:40<rootmos>i am getting this error when trying to purge media-tomb-deamon
14:40<rootmos>dpkg-statoverrides: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting:
14:40<rootmos> syntax error: unknown user 'mediatomb' in statoverride file
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14:50<rootmos>the script removes the user before the check, is there a way to force a removal?
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14:51<titan8990>rootmos: I would just add the user to make the script happy, seems like the simple solution
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14:53<rootmos>yes i tried that but the script removes the user then checks if it is there
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14:54<lancelot_of>hi all
14:54<lancelot_of>how to set console cursor to not blink?
14:55<Lethalman>lancelot_of, try looking at stty options
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14:56<lancelot_of>Lethalman, i hoped something to set in .bashrc
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14:57<Lethalman>lancelot_of, stty is a program
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14:57<Lethalman>there's nothing about blinking in stty :)
14:57*Lethalman just looked at the manpage
14:57<lancelot_of>Lethalman, i was reading exactly the samething
14:59<bibop554>Hi guys. I'm trying to speed up gnome on my Debian, because it's too slow for quick drag & drop (compared to windows xp)
14:59<bibop554>Is it possible to use gnome without the client/server overhead due to X ?
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15:00<bibop554>am i alone to think linux GUI are slower than windows one ?
15:01<bibop554>it's sad to say but explorer.exe is really faster than gnome for drag&drops
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15:02<slush>what drag&drops?
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15:02<bibop554>moving a file from a windows into another window
15:02<bibop554>for example, drag & drop a song in the music player
15:02<bibop554>to play it
15:02<bibop554>the drag & drop is ignored if you do it to quickly
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15:03<bibop554>i have to wait that the icon get a "+" before droping the file in the destination window ..
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15:04<braait>bibop554: use windows. problem solved.
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15:06<bibop554>lol. Please don't be nervous because i compare to windows. I'm not here to start a troll but only to look for a solution to a problem that i find obvious in gnome
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15:06<braait>otoh, _i_ was trolling (:
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15:06<bibop554>lol ok
15:06<sney>bibop554: gnome is kind of a resource pig, unfortunately. maybe try using xfce instead, it's a lot faster in most cases
15:07<emopart>what is port 646?
15:07<emopart>646/tcp filtered unknown
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15:08<Zomb>bibop554: lxde might also be usable. If you don't like wasting resources, go lower (icewm, wmaker, blackbox, ...)
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15:09<bibop554>sney> yes, i'll try it. I'm afraid it's an X problem though. That's really a pity that there is not a "built-in" version for user working locally
15:09<sney>bibop554: I don't think you understand, X is kind of a ridiculous thing but the 'client-server' architecture is not why gnome is slow
15:10*rpetre loves the client-server thing
15:10<bibop554>That's a good news
15:10*Gathond loves the client-server thing as well
15:10<Gathond>its great not having to care which machine you start stuff on
15:11<rpetre>also, thin clients ere better even compared to sliced bread
15:12<bibop554>Yeah, i know why client-server is great. But i'm talking of local execution here, client and server on the same pc.
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15:12<sney>aka the way probably 90% of X implementations are used
15:12<bibop554>yes :D
15:13<sney>the reason gnome is slow is because it's gnome
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15:14<sney>there are some X replacements being worked on but it's a long process and nearly everything will probably need to be rewritten
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15:14<Lethalman>bibop554, client-server means client=application not the user
15:16*centyx wonders if his wife would switch from gnome to lxde
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15:16<sney>lxde unlikely, but xfce is a possibility since it's gtk and can run all the same apps
15:16<sney>with the same level of integration, that is
15:17<centyx>sney: lxde doesn't use gtk? i thought pcmanfm was part of it?
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15:18<rpetre>i hope gnome's various bits learn soon to get upgraded without fubar-ing my session
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15:19<sney>centyx: no, you're right, but lxde is a bit too minimal for people who really enjoy the point and clicky stuff, I found
15:20<centyx>centyx: ah. she used e16 for the first couple years we were together, but she liked that b/c it was "pretty."
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15:20<bibop554>sney> What do you think about DirectFB ?
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15:21<sney>it's pretty cool
15:22<sney>there's a lot of stuff out there that you can kinda use that is not really ready for prime time
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15:22<sney>but go on and tinker with it, that's the best thing to do
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15:24<msemtd>is it OK to ask for debian insrtallation help in this channel?
15:25<sney>hmm, lots of updates the past few days
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15:27<msemtd>sney: thanks -- I haven't used debian in quite a while except under the guise of Knoppix/morphix/kubuntu - anyhow I have just installed testing on this Acer laptop and I'm hitting many obstacles
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15:28<bibop554>sney> is it possible to use gnome over DirectFB instead of X ? Because i like gnome functionnalities, but i want to speed it up !
15:28<sney>bibop554: I don't know, you'll have to ask the directfb people.
15:28<sney>msemtd: the testing installer has some issues lately, what happened with yours?
15:28<msemtd>the installer was unable to configure my wifi card - sort of expected -- so I'm booting back into Windows 7 to use the network --
15:29<msemtd>I also was surprised that the various admin tools under Gnome seem to be unaware of sudo operation!
15:29<msemtd>I had to set a root password - that's pretty icky!
15:30<sney>did you install sudo? it's not installed by default unless you don't set a root password
15:30<msemtd>Yes, I l
15:30<msemtd>eI left root passwd blank in installer
15:30<msemtd>as instructed
15:30<sney>the Debian policy lets users make their own decisions about functionality. many people prefer not to have sudo installed.
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15:31<msemtd>fine, but when sudo is installed surely Gnome should make use of it?
15:31<msemtd>or do I need to flick some gnome switches somewhere?
15:31<sney>yeah, there's probably a setting. I don't use gnome personally so I can't say for sure.
15:32<msemtd>sigh, regardless, my wifi device is not functioning - I guess I'll hit google for info
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15:32<sney>what wifi device is it?
15:32<sney>you probably just need a firmware package
15:32<msemtd>um, shall have to look!
15:33<sney>right click my computer - manage - device manager
15:33<sney>it'll be in there under networking
15:34<msemtd>well, as I say, I'm in Windows 7 due to no network! It appears to be an Atheros AR5B93
15:35<msemtd>the debian installer spotted the device but failed to see any ssid
15:35<msemtd>of my wifi router
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15:36<msemtd>I dunno, I sort of half expected things to just, erm, work!
15:36<msemtd>I don't mind putting some hours in though - I shall hit the books
15:37<msemtd>just a quick question though - I'm from the LILO era - is there a handy grub front-end installed by default on testing?
15:37<sney>msemtd: it's called 'testing' for a reason, some things are a work in progress
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15:38<msemtd>fair enough - do you recommend I install stable
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15:38<sney>I wouldn't call it a frontend, but there's a handful of settings in /etc/default/grub and /etc/grub.d , and if you install os-prober it'll autodetect your Win7 install and set up the boot menu for you
15:38<msemtd>bear in mind my previous stable was potato!
15:39<nostmith>msemtd, using sudo with gnome is quite easy. add yourself to sudo group and then modify /apps/gksu/sudo-mode in gconf. no other changes required.
15:39<titan8990>sney: that only applies to grub2
15:39<sney>titan8990: he installed testing.
15:40<sney>last I checked, testing doesn't even offer grub-legacy as an option.
15:40<sney>the installer, anyway.
15:40<msemtd>sney: _she_ installed testing :D
15:41<sney>s/he/she, still, same situation
15:41<jthomas_sb> How do I get .bashrc to run at login? I've got SSH jails set up for numerous users and, while most everything works fine, we get a locale issue when running SVN commands: "svn: warning: cannot set LC_CTYPE locale" Running "export LC_ALL=C" fixes this, but how can I make it work upon login? .bashrc file seems to be ignored
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15:43<msemtd>right-o, shall see if the stable installer will be happy to replace the testing partitions -- unless that would be dangerous somehow???
15:43<Zomb>jthomas_sb: check .bash_profile, should have something like
15:43<sney>just format them again
15:43<Zomb>if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then
15:43<Zomb> . ~/.bashrc
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15:43<jthomas_sb>ok wil try now
15:43<msemtd>thanks for your time
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15:44<bibop554>sney> after some readings and google search, i think i'll wait for directFB to be more user-friendly... for now it seems to complicated for me
15:44<bibop554>i guess debian folks will put it in debian when it will be mature enough
15:45<sney>yep probably
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15:48<jthomas_sb>bibop554 you can create a RFP (request for packaging) for that or other apps; not sure the way to go about it but there are likely sites on the web which wll say
15:48<dpkg>Request For Package is the way to ask for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See, the section on that page "Adding new entries with "reportbug"" is a good place to start. Technically, RFP is a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: ", ask me about <wnpp>.
15:48<dpkg>For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at Also use the script wnpp-alert (from the <devscripts> package) to see what packages you are using that are in need of help.
15:50<jthomas_sb>Zomb I've created the .bash_profile with the suggested lines and made sure the line 'export LC_ALL=C' is in my (otherwise blank) .bashrc file, but still no go
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15:52<Zomb>jthomas_sb: no idea. If you run "ssh hostname locale", what do you get?
15:53<Zomb>jthomas_sb: you may also put "set -e" into your config files, but don't forget to remove it when done with debugging
15:53<jthomas_sb>in the jail, SSH doesn't exist. I am thinking it a jail issue of some sort
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15:53<Zomb>what do you mean with "jail"?
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15:54<msemtd>a chroot jail
15:54<jthomas_sb>i have SSH Jailing set up, so when a user SSHes into a box, they're in a limited environment with access to limited commands and restricted to parts of the file system
15:54<jthomas_sb>yes a chroot jail
15:54<jthomas_sb>hmm i wonder if that is it; their home dir doesn't actually exist within the jail, so without that there is no way to call the $HOME/.bashrc
15:55<jthomas_sb>they do get put into their $HOME, but within the chroot jail it appears they are at /
15:55<titan8990>using rssh for the jails?
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15:57<jthomas_sb>no, OpenSSH
15:58<titan8990>ssh is protocol... rssh is a shell
15:58<jthomas_sb>i think, bash
15:59<jthomas_sb>both real and chrooted /etc/passwd read as bash
15:59<titan8990>how are the users put in the jail then?
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16:00<jthomas_sb>OpenSSH matches the user and does it. Not exactly this but here is the basics of what I followed:
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16:03<titan8990>jthomas_sb: did you read that script your using?
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16:03<centyx>titan8990: openssh supports chroot now
16:03<centyx>titan8990: perhaps not in debian though...
16:03<centyx>titan8990: forget what version it was added...
16:04<jthomas_sb>yes; but it isn't what i am using. i based it on that like a year ago. does it specifically say smething about locales ? i've forgotten
16:05<titan8990>jthomas_sb: no, but it isn't using BASH
16:05<titan8990>titan8990: its creating a shell using /bin/sh, which is typically dash in debian
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16:06<mictlan>why does libdirectfb-dev depend on libjpeg-dev if libjpeg-dev is not available in debian?
16:07<centyx>jthomas_sb: you doing the chroot natively with Match User/Group?
16:07<titan8990>,depends libdirectfb-dev
16:07<judd>libdirectfb-dev -- depends: libdirectfb-1.0-0 (= 1.0.1-11), libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.13-4), libdirectfb-extra, libfreetype6-dev, libjpeg62-dev, libpng12-dev, zlib1g-dev (>= 1:1.1.3), libmpeg3-dev, x11proto-core-dev, libx11-dev, libxext-dev, libsysfs-dev.
16:08<sney>libjpeg62-dev ^
16:08<titan8990>mictlan: that happens occasionally with testing/sid
16:08<centyx>jthomas_sb: and the user's shell is set to /bin/bash, no?
16:08<centyx>jthomas_sb: sorry, you already answered that
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16:09<centyx>jthomas_sb: what does 'locale' say?
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16:10<centyx>jthomas_sb: put it in the chroot if you have to
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16:10<mictlan>judd you must be using sid. i squeeze its libjpeg-dev,
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16:11<centyx>jthomas_sb: perhaps you need the locale files in the chroot?
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16:12<mictlan>if i add libjpeg62-dev to apt-get install it does seem to install
16:12<titan8990>mictlan: what version of debian are you running?
16:13<mictlan>titan8990: testing
16:13<adb>, versions libjpeg62-dev
16:13<judd>libjpeg62-dev -- etch: 6b-13; lenny: 6b-14; sid: 6b-16.1; squeeze: 6b-16.1
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16:14<centyx>jthomas_sb: sorry, you already said export etc works... i'm tired.
16:14<titan8990>mictlan: still not going to help you if that isn't the package it depends on. check the bts, consider filing a bug report if not already
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16:19<mictlan>titan8990: theres noting in but strangely an email thread of on old bug report where the dependency on libjpeg-dev was requested and supplied
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16:20<aetr>que pasa aca?
16:20<bja>adb: substituting a fan with a fan with less amperage and same voltage will only draw less power out of the power source. You should check airflow.
16:20<mictlan>back at libdirectfb-dev 2.8
16:21<adb>bja, i see ;)
16:21<bja>!es-social aetr
16:21<dpkg>aetr: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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16:24<bibop554>jthomas_sb> about directFB: actually there is some package about directFB in Debian. But i'm not sure they are an X replacement. I've ask directFB people about it in their mailing list
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16:29<doomsdayrock>where in the world is everyone
16:29<doomsdayrock>fredericton nb canada here
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16:32<doomsdayrock>bt4 os is interesting
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16:33<sney>doomsdayrock: please go to the bt4 channel
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16:33<jay_>hello, I'm trying to run disk-manager so it will automatically mount my partitions, but I'm unable to run it as user and as root I get a really weird error that I can't paste here or I'll get kicked out, anyone know what to do?
16:33<bja>adb: !bt4
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16:34<adb>bja, no , merci
16:34<stuckey>I did update-alternatives and selected wmii, but I still get gnome when I reboot?
16:34<bja>adb: excuse je ma equivoque
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16:34<bja>ops wrong chan
16:34<adb>bja, np , pbm ..
16:35<stuckey>That's what I get when I run "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager" so it is already set to wmii.
16:35<stuckey>I reboot the machine, and gnome comes back up
16:35<stuckey>what's wrong?
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16:36<jthomas_sb>centyx ok, I've copied the locale and the required libs into the jail. I now get returns on the command 'locale' (before, command not found) but I still get the issue with the SVN not seeing the locale. Oh well, its not the end of the world, they can set the locale as needed I suppose. This isn't a common issue.
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16:37<jthomas_sb>stuckey gnome is the desktop, not the window manager. they're different things. gnome can run wmii as window manager; KDE can run metacity as window manager.
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16:38<jthomas_sb>at the login screen (gdm or kdm or whatever), you can pick which desktop you want. it doesn't chose the window manager there tho.
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16:39<jthomas_sb>plus, if your current choise (which has the *) is set to manual mode, I don't know what that means but could be something
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16:41<stuckey>jthomas_sb: wouldn't it look funny thought if I was using wmii as the window manager in gnome?
16:41<stuckey>i didn't know you could do that
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16:42<stuckey>Wmii isn't a desktop environment, just a window manager.
16:42<jthomas_sb>i have no idea, i am not familiar with wmii. but, window managers are changable.
16:42<stuckey>I thought GDM lets you pick the window manager? I just want to use wmii and I would like it if the machine just booted straight into wmii.
16:42<stuckey>How do I achieve this?
16:42<jthomas_sb>what is that?
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16:43<jthomas_sb>in gnome, hit [alt][f2] and then run 'wmii --replace' and see what happens
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16:44<stuckey>jthomas_sb: nothing
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16:45<jthomas_sb>i know its not a desktop, but you're sure its not at the login screen as an option?
16:45<stuckey>jthomas_sb: it may be hold on
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16:48<centyx>steve: i thought you had been using wmii for "forever"
16:49<centyx>oh, he's gone
16:49<centyx>bleh, i'm quick today
16:50<jthomas_sb>he is logging out to check if wmii is in the gdm login screen as a 'desktop' option
16:50<jthomas_sb>centyx its friday, no worries ;)
16:50<centyx>steve: ;) cute
16:50<centyx>makes me think Steve Street
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16:51<centyx>jthomas_sb: ya
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16:52<centyx>does anyone know if wicd handles hidden wireless networks well? I'll need some sort of network manager for my wife to use if I switch her off of gnome to lxde.
16:52<centyx>seems I recall trying it [wicd] out a few years ago and it didn't handle them well at all
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16:53<jthomas_sb>via the menu it is supposed to be able to. i've not tried it, but i tell you what, wicd is the best network manager i've used. works much better than any i've tried, and fits into my kde setups just fine
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16:53<steve>centyx: hehe ;)
16:53<centyx>jthomas_sb: ok, thanks, i'll give it a try on my machine. i can always uninstall it
16:54<jthomas_sb>it auto-identifies the needed type of encryption, but unfortunately it doesn't select that when trying to connect. so, note that.
16:54<centyx>i'll just have to note everything it installs with it in case autoremove doesn't catch it all
16:54<r0nin>ive got a samba share with some billing files on it, I need to only allow myself to edit them but other to view them. I set the file permissions to 740 but im other users are still able to modify it. What should I do?
16:54<centyx>jthomas_sb: I'm a bit anal about not installing stuff that I don't need
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16:55<jthomas_sb>r0nin set them within /etc/samba/smb.conf as "read list = jthomas"
16:55<sney>stupid non-postscript printer. everything installs perfectly, looks fine, and then quietly doesn't work with a "/usr/lib/cups/backend/hp failed"
16:55<jthomas_sb>and then also, r0nin, with "write list = r0nin"
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16:56<r0nin>jthomas_sb: ok ill try that, but shouldn't those permissions work? would it be samba interfering with the file permissions?
16:57<jthomas_sb>yeah samba has its own take on file permissions some times, one that I've never really resolved. it requires that samba users and permissions, as well as the linux users and permissions, are both lined up perfectly with Jupiter in the third quarter, waxing
16:57<jthomas_sb>er, waining ;)
16:58<jay_>hello, I'm trying to run disk-manager so it will automatically mount my partitions, but I'm unable to run it as user and as root I get a really weird error that I can't paste here or I'll get kicked out, anyone know what to do?
16:58<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
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17:02<jthomas_sb>centyx any luck? i am heading out
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17:03<jthomas_sb>yeaj i am curious as to the error, jay_ . put it on a pastebin
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17:05<jthomas_sb>aw i thought it was profane or something ;)
17:06<jthomas_sb>dunno, I've never run that app. edit manually /etc/fstab and under options, put in 'user,auto' for those you want auto mounted
17:06<jay_>jthomas_sb, no, it's just something I don't understand
17:06<jay_>ok, lemme give that a shot
17:06<jthomas_sb>it looks like it doesn't have a policy file for HAL, likely for permission settings of running that app. not sure really.
17:07<jthomas_sb>ok night all, i am heading home.
17:07<jay_>night dude, thanks
17:07<jthomas_sb>good luck. others here can help too i am sure. have a good weekend.
17:08<meowcats>jay_ disk-manager just edits fstab, so your doing the same thing it does
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17:11<SQlvpapir>I've been looking for a simple mail server setup for a while now. need virus/spam filter, vhosts, "virtual users" (non-system, multiple addresses, one inbox), catch-all addresses and preferably an interface to add/edit/remove user. imaps+secure pop prefered. I'm not afraid of configuring a bit myself but something like the "isp style mail server" is way too complicated to set up and maintain
17:11<jay_>meowcats ok, but it should work anyways, I explain all of this on a debian forum post, it's very weird to me
17:11<jay_>meowcats here's the post of you want to see it
17:11<meowcats>you can paste the error on
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17:12<kop>SQlvpapir: You won't find that in a single package. I prefer postfix, dovecot and perhaps amavis clamav.
17:14<SQlvpapir>kop, I'm not really looking for a single package just a set of packages which allows the system to keep going w/o too much hassle
17:14<kop>SQlvpapir: You may also want an alternalte authentication/user database, like ldap. There should be a front-end for that. If you want something pre-configured, use google.
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17:15<SQlvpapir>kop, sme server wont run on my sheevaplug ;)
17:15<kop>SQlvpapir: I find postfix relatively simple, and very reliable and secure. It's easy to plug things into once you get the hang of it.
17:15<meowcats>dovecot and courier are popular
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17:20<SQlvpapir>I dont get why setting up a mail server has to be such a risky process. risky as in "hmm I guess this default setting is ok my my needs". apparently I've got to understand and learn every single internal piece of "oh so delicious" code to receive mail on multiple domains and forward some aliases :/
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17:29<jay_>meowcats editing fstab seems to work perfectly, however it still kind bothers me on why it doesn't work now, it used to work just fine when I was running on gnome,
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17:31<svend>My mouse cursor is jumping around. I'm running Sid on a T400.
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17:34<bja>!broken in sid
17:34<dpkg>Well, duh, what'd you expect, of course it's broken. See <sid>.
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17:38<nathan>hi, someone can try to scan my ports please. I would test my firewall and my ids.
17:38<bja>SQlvpapir: you've got mail
17:39<SQlvpapir>nathan, what do you want for the nmap scan?
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17:40<na5uta> <nathan> you are from france?
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17:40<nathan>na5uta, yeah, why?
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17:41<nathan>SQlvpapir, i only want to you try to scan my ports
17:42<na5uta> <nathan> not special, just surprise see some france writing english...
17:42<SQlvpapir>nathan, nothing
17:43<azeem>na5uta: stop that please
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17:43<azeem>both the weird adressing tags and the condescending tone towards french people
17:43<na5uta> <nathan> what?
17:44<nathan>na5uta, ha, i'm sorry if my english is bad
17:44<adb>nathan, try #hardware , on
17:44<azeem>adb: #hardware for a port scan?
17:44<svend>Looks like this is my problem:
17:44<na5uta> <nathan> sorry
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17:45<adb>azeem, just a guess ..
17:45<azeem>looks like a rather wild guess to me
17:45<nathan>nobody can "attack" my kernel? :)
17:45<azeem>nathan: you're off topic
17:46<nathan>ok... sorry
17:46<azeem>this channel is for Debian support questions not a test-my-firewall helpdesk
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17:48<bibop554>btw, french speaking english here ...
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17:49<nathan>what the problem with it?
17:49<gramm>where am i
17:49<bibop554>no problem
17:49<azeem>gramm: in #debian
17:49<gramm>how to get /s
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17:49<azeem>gramm: type the command?
17:49<gramm>im newbie to linux
17:50<azeem>are you asking how to use your keyboard?
17:50<nathan>all the great documentation about linux and informatic are write in english so... :)
17:50<gramm>i cant connect the greek server
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17:50<azeem>what is the error message?
17:50<gramm>nothing no message
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17:50<gramm>it doesnt connect
17:50<azeem>which client are you using?
17:50<gramm>no reaction
17:51<gramm>which one is the best?
17:51<bibop554>nathan> yes ..
17:51<azeem>gramm: so read the xchat documentation on how to connect to servers
17:51<bja>!beer azeem
17:51*dpkg deftly decants a fine Bornem Tripple for azeem
17:51<azeem>just typing "/server" should work
17:51<nathan>bibop554, you're lucky to live in english countries ,)
17:52<gramm>one more i disabled a panel where are all applications minimized how do I undo it
17:52<gramm>in ubuntu 9.10
17:52<bibop554>nathan> lol. I live in france you know... i would be lucky if i was born in an english speaking country ...
17:52<gramm>if anybody knows
17:53<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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17:54<gramm>i went to ubuntu channel and the summary 3 people online
17:54<na5uta>lol ubuntu....
17:54<gramm>Im lame guys soz 4 mine noob questions
17:54<Torsten_W>you shold go tho the right irc-network
17:54<gramm>if i knew how...
17:55<azeem>see above
17:55<Torsten_W>in #ubuntu on freenode are many more people
17:55<timmo>hi, how can i draw a colum vector in latex? is it ok to use \begin{pmatrix} or is there another special command for it, that i have not found yet?
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17:56<angela>sg nickserv identify 25122
17:57<azeem>angela: please change your nickserv password
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18:05<meowcats>would it be malicious of me to create a nick 'nickserver' or similar?
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18:09<angela_>hello ken enyone tell my what the command line ar to unpack pakeges/
18:10<sbasuita>angela_, `ar x foo.deb' ?
18:10<angela_>downlodit paqgesse`s
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18:10<sbasuita>angela_, what are you trying to do?
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18:11<angela_>i have downloodet a file to instal it but i have to unpak it first
18:11<azeem>what file?
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18:11<angela_>of unrealircd3.2.8.1
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18:18<sbasuita>angela_, run this command: tar xvf Unreal3.2.8.1.tar.gz
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18:20<na5uta>hello. exist a debian-cnc distro? or something to controll a cnc-maschine with debian?
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18:22<jhutchins_lt>na5uta: It would depend on the cnc machine. Someone might have set your machine up in debian, but #Debian wouldn't know about it.
18:22<jhutchins_lt>na5uta: You might try googling your machine's make/model and "debian" or "linux".
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18:49<forjustice>Hi, I have got a problem. Could somebody help me?
18:49<forjustice>about debian packaging
18:50<handheldCar>forjustice: u have to describe the problem.
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18:51<dpkg>The New Maintainer's Guide (, Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see
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18:51<forjustice>dpkg-gencontrol: error: Illegal package name `glibBROKEN'
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18:52<themill>forjustice: packagenames must be all lowercase
18:53<forjustice>I packaged glib, but at the end of compiling ı take this error
18:53<forjustice>dh-make created glibBROKEN
18:54<themill>why are you packaging glib anyway?
18:55<forjustice>because of my advanced operating systems lesson
18:55<forjustice>it was my exam question
18:55<forjustice>but because of this error, ı didnt package glib :(
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18:59*SpikeyPuffy runs over the Communist Jew Richard Stallman's legs (progeninator of the anarcho-syndicalist Communist GPL license) with his tank. He then throws him in a high convective glass oven based on the second law of thermodynamics.
18:59<SpikeyPuffy>don't shoot ! let him burn !
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18:59<SpikeyPuffy>OpenBSD 4.6 ejeet2#0 i386
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19:00<forjustice>could someone help?
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19:27<ml|>miko: wrong network, you want
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19:41<sney>it's /quit
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19:43<goodfornothing>m new to irc :)
19:44<goodfornothing>any other beneficial commands tht i shud b aware of??
19:44<handheldCar> /help
19:44<goodfornothing>or tell me d place to look for these commands
19:44<goodfornothing>thnx again!!
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20:58<grondilu>Hi, is there some tools to do some irc tunnelling ?
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20:58<ZeZu>anyone have any recommendations for switching to a raid setup with the root partition getting added to the array ? like copying /* to ramdisk and chroot , create array and copy, modify grub??
20:58<ZeZu>grondilu, check bnc or znc
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20:59<grondilu>ZeZu: ok I see, I'll read that, thanks.
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21:26<tiils>Hello! I just finished installing debian testing and I see iceweasel is at 3.5.8 and apparently missing a few security updates. What would be the canonical way to solve this? (Sorry if this has been asked a MANY times before...) I don't care if it's 3, 3.5 or 3.6 as long as my firefox addons work and it's got all security patches.
21:26<avu>tiils, if you want up to date security support, don't use testing :(
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21:27<avu>tiils, generally (and also in this case specifically), backporting the version in sid or experimental may be a good idea
21:28<tiils>like here: ?
21:29<avu>tiils, no, that would be just trying to install the package from sid or experimental
21:29<avu>which might work and might break
21:29<avu>I was talking about backporting
21:29<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
21:30<avu>generall, with testing, it's worth it just trying to install the package from sid/experimental and see if it works without pulling in to many other things from there before attempting a backport
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21:31<tiils>avu, thank you will give it a try
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21:39<tiils>avu, installing iceweasel from sid only pulled xulrunner-1.9.1. everything is looking fine so thanks again!
21:40<n0x>sidux for ever!!!!!!!!!
21:40<adb>n0x, go spam #sidux
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21:59<miguel000>I am using xmonad, but the version packaged with my debian ditribution (lenny) is very out of date. I wonder what the proper way of obtaining a more recent one would look like
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22:02<amitz>!tell miguel000 pinning
22:03<miguel000>he didnt tell me anything?
22:03<miguel000>hmm maybe crashed or something
22:03<miguel000>ok sorry, just delay
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22:06<miguel000>and thank you
22:07<serraemeira>Hi! I need help. I'm a beginner user. I use Lenny. lspci: I have sound problems: Debian and other new distros dont recognize my sound hardware. Only one of three sound ports works. The other two (mic and headphones) dont work. Please help.
22:08<dpkg>ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, a project providing device drivers for sound cards. To install, ask me about <install alsa>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <alsa versions>, <alsaconf>, <asoundconf>. #alsa on
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22:08<jpinx-eeepc>serraemeira: ^^
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22:08<adb>serraemeira, lspci -nn | grep Audio , says ?
22:09<serraemeira>asoundconf : I've already installed alsa.
22:09<adb>jpinx-eeepc, hi ;)
22:09<serraemeira>adb , it says: 00:07.0 Audio device [0403]: nVidia Corporation MCP67 High Definition Audio [10de:055c] (rev a1)
22:09<adb>, pciid 10de:055c
22:09<judd>[10de:055c] is 'MCP67 High Definition Audio' from 'nVidia Corporation' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'nvidiafb' in lenny. See also and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel', 'nvidia' module.
22:09<jpinx-eeepc>adb: hola from Thailand
22:10<adb>jpinx-eeepc, i saw that
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22:14<serraemeira><judd> Take it easy, Im really a newbie in Linux.... What I have to do exactly ?
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22:16<serraemeira><adb> Those links dont say anything useful...
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22:17<adb>serraemeira, seems you need kernel module snd-hda-intel for your sound
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22:18<sney>should already have it
22:18<sney>I bet it's just muted
22:18<serraemeira><adb> How I know this? aptitude search snd-hda-intel?
22:19<adb>no, do lsmod | grep snd_hda_intel
22:20<serraemeira><sney> I dont think so, cause I've already tried all kmix options
22:21<serraemeira><adb> lsmod | grep snd_hda_intel:
22:21<adb>serraemeira, that's ok
22:22<adb>serraemeira, fix sney's said : muted
22:22<sney>serraemeira: install alsa-utils and run alsamixer, see if there are any Ms
22:22<serraemeira>OK, just a minute
22:23<adb>run alsaconf
22:25<serraemeira><sney> What do mean with "Ms"?
22:25<sney>I'll show you
22:26<sney> see at the bottom of the left hand column
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22:28<serraemeira>it says MM
22:28<sney>press m
22:30<serraemeira>OK, is it be MM or 00?
22:31<serraemeira><sney> Sorry my english. Which option I have to choose: MM or 00?
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22:31<sney>it should have 00 or any numbers. MM means it's muted
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22:34<serraemeira><adb> <sney> I have unmuted all options in alsamixer. But the sound still remains in one port. And the mic also dont work.
22:34<sney>serraemeira: hmm, what does 'cat /proc/asound/cars' show you?
22:35<adb>cat /proc/asound/cards *
22:36<serraemeira> <adb> <sney> Something strange is that in alsamixer, headphone channel seens to be disabled:
22:37<serraemeira>Lenny:/home/leonardo# cat /proc/asound/cards *
22:37<serraemeira> 0 [NVidia ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia
22:37<serraemeira> HDA NVidia at 0xdfff8000 irq 21
22:38<sney>that alsamixer is strange
22:38<adb>serraemeira, do id , audio is in ?
22:38<serraemeira><sney>, really? why?
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22:39<serraemeira><adb> Yes, it is in....
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22:40<sney>serraemeira: usually Master has 2 channels instead of just one and I'm not sure what to think of that headphone channel
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22:43<serraemeira><adb> How I install this?
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22:44<serraemeira> snd-hda-intel
22:44<adb>serraemeira, i just said it is ok
22:45<adb>sney, i have same headphone channel , and sound works
22:45*sney shrug
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22:45<sney>maybe you're more equipped to help him, then. as far as I can see it should be fine.
22:46<adb>serraemeira, anyways , snd-hda-intel is just a kernel module, so not need to install it
22:47<serraemeira><adb> <sney> In Kmix, when I choose 6 channel, the two sound ports works but mic doesnt....But when I choose 2 channel option,,,,only one sound port works and the mic port works too....Very strange, dont u think?
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22:52<serraemeira><sney> <adb> Guys, thanks for trying to help. Maybe in next release it works
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23:18<sqlnoob2>I am trying to figure out how to make remmina auto connect to something from script, and he says 'use remmina -c filename.' but that doesnt seem to be working. Is there any other way to get information on the program? remmina --help and remmina -h and -? dont do anything. :(
23:19<sqlnoob2>neeeever mind. :D I think I found where the files I am looking for is. On the bottom when you select a profile to connect to, is says where that file is. :D
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23:33<miguel000>can I search for a specified tool with aptitude? I know the name of the tool but not which package might provide it.
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23:39<billy2007>hi does anyone know where i can find a debian package for ManiaDrive
23:40<billy2007>is anyone here?
23:40<nostmith>miguel000, aptitude search tool
23:40<billy2007>is anyone here?
23:40<billy2007>is anyone here?
23:40<billy2007>sorry my pcs messing up
23:42<billy2007>this is a good channel aint it lmao
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23:43<miguel000>nostmith, : kk, thought it only searches oft packagenames
23:45<nostmith>miguel000, for more options in aptitude search, see: man aptitude
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23:48<johnfg>hey guys
23:49<johnfg>google didn't find anything real clear, so, how do you reset the mysql password in /etc/mysql.debian.cnf?
23:49<johnfg>When I set the root password in mysql, of course, it doesn't change in debian.cnf. I know this isn't a new question/problem.
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23:59<johnfg>let me ask this: If I change the debian-sys-maint password through phpmyadmin, will it change it in debian.cnf, too?
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