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---Logopened Sat Apr 17 00:00:23 2010
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00:04<ml|>miguel000: try/use apt-file /msg dpkg apt-file
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00:09<opticon>when i run apt-get update it seems to hang when it checks with this source Hit lenny/main Sources
00:10<opticon>it'll eventually time out
00:10<opticon>Err lenny/main Translation-en_US
00:10<opticon>ahh thats the one
00:12<sqlnoob2>I am trying to setup my gnome to auto login, but when I do gdmsetup, it says gdm (gnome display manager) is not running. You might be using a different display manager, such as KDE. (but I am not.)
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00:12<sqlnoob2>Any ideas? This is debian, squeeze.
00:14<johnfg>Any thoughts for debian-sys-maint password?
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00:22<sney>opticon: can you ping that host? maybe it's down or unreachable.
00:22<sney>sqlnoob2: try doing /etc/init.d/gdm start (as root) then try again
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00:27<amitz>how to install all recommended packages of all packages I have already installed? apt-get --reinstall --install-recommends?
00:27<amitz>apt-get of debian squeeze.
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00:28<amitz>the above options just list all the existing options, as if something is wrong with my options.
00:28<opticon>i checked their and it is
00:28<opticon>so i removed from source list
00:29<opticon>wanted to install new version of clam av .96
00:29<opticon>had old stable release installed but it wouldnt update anymore
00:30<opticon>found some info on it here
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00:31<gsimmons>opticon: For stable systems, you can use the ClamAV version available in debian-volatile. Security support for stable's clamav was dropped last October anyway.
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00:33<opticon>ya thanks im looking into that now
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00:36<Zborg>is it possible to use a usb "modem" to connect faster than 115200?
00:37<sney>get a bunch, and chain them? /old school modemthink
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00:39<Zborg>sney: I know it can go much faster (it is an evdo modem)
00:39<Zborg>sney: does the linux ACM driver just not support that? (and so I would have to use bluetooth/rfcomm instead)
00:39<sney>I'm not sure honestly
00:40<Zborg>and how do you get ppp to use a faster speed, just replace 115200 with whatever?
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00:41<sney>the 115200 was just the hardware limit of old serial modems, you should be able to use any speed your "modem" can handle
00:43<Zborg>sney: unless the usbserial and acm driver limits it to that even though usb is faster
00:43<sney>only one way to find out!
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00:49<Zborg>looks like the max for bluetooth internet is 460800
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00:52<Zborg>sne: looks like the max for bluetooth internet is 460800
00:52<Zborg>sney: looks like the max for bluetooth internet is 460800
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00:52<sney>just try it out, you don't need to ask my permission. you aren't going to break your hardware, if it doesn't work it just won't work
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00:54<jackson_>This chat room is so interesting.
00:54<jackson_>no one speak
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00:58<miguel000>Im using trayer, and for some reason the amarok tray icon does not show up there but I do have it as a separete window :(
00:59<miguel000>skype, licq, xchat work fine ....
00:59<opticon>well i got clamav .95.3 installed and its updating even those its kind of old
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00:59<miguel000>any ideas why this might happen?
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01:02<amitz>miguel000: xfce?
01:03<miguel000>and I use a thing called trayer for my tray icons
01:03<miguel000>and only amarok does not want to jump inside for some reason
01:04<amitz>perhaps amarok can only display its icon into certain type of tray. For example, if the app can only shows itself in gnome tray, you need the package to makes it displayable in xfce panel.
01:05<amitz>or something along those lines.
01:05<miguel000>oh might be
01:05<miguel000>maybe i should consider some alternative to amarok
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01:36<firefox>miguel000, GL on that one.. I love amarok.. but I missed my decked out winamp 2.95 lol
01:37<firefox>miguel000, if you find a good one do tell
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01:55<mercutio22>it seems network-manager is not managing my wired connection...
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01:56<mercutio22>and I can't access google.
01:56<mercutio22>I can ping it, but iceweasel does not render the web page
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02:30<firefox>mercutio22, proxy?
02:31<Gathond>no DNS?
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02:33<mercutio22>nope, no proxy or dns
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02:59<mercutio22>shit, while trying to update apt: 99% [Connecting to (]
02:59<mercutio22>why is apt trying to get something from google?
02:59<elky>mercutio22, chrome?
03:00<mercutio22>elky: I removed it already
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03:00<elky>if you used the repository, then it'll still be bringing in the repository information with each update.
03:01<mercutio22>elky: I removed the google repo from /etc/apt/
03:01<mercutio22>elky: I removed the google repo from /etc/apt/sources.list
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03:02<fr3d>hi, if i upgrade from lenny to squeeze it also will upgrade kernel?
03:02<gsimmons>mercutio22: Does /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list exist?
03:02<firefox>fr3d, dist-upgrade?
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03:03<fr3d>firefox: yes
03:03<mercutio22>gsimmons: yes!
03:04<mercutio22>gsimmons: wth
03:04<firefox>fr3d, I wouldnt trust me, but I would think so
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03:04<gsimmons>mercutio22: You might want to purge the relevant package.
03:06<mercutio22>gsimmons: that did it
03:06<mercutio22>thanks a lot
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03:09<baloo> Anybody have suggestions?
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03:22<ml|>fr3d: if you really want use testing /msg dpkg testing then if you still want to /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze
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03:27<inkbottle>Hi, is there a channel for debian on pda/smarthphone/...?
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03:28<ml|>dpkg emdebian
03:28<dpkg>Emdebian is a binary distribution for embedded devices. It is created by the Embedded Debian project, an official Debian sub-project, which aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded projects. #emdebian on
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03:32<robertzaccour>why is Ubuntu faster than Debian? in standard benchmarks i mean
03:34<valdyn>robertzaccour: it isnt
03:34<simonrvn>robertzaccour: should try harder with your trolling.
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03:37<robertzaccour>hey dpkg
03:37<inkbottle>simonrvn, i want to troll too :)
03:37<robertzaccour>i think i'd rather sleep
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03:40<firefox>because ubuntu employs more gnomes with in its gui layer... these extra knows help guide the pixies to flip the colors on your screen faster.
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03:43<simonrvn>certainly got rid of the green, warty thing :P
03:44<amitz>while owning someone's ass in the process :-p
03:50<inkbottle>tbw, i have gone on #emdebian, but not so many people there; have you heard about experiences like
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03:54<firefox>inkbottle, You didnt even answer the emdebian guys question...?
03:54<inkbottle>yes i did
03:55<inkbottle>i said it's a little too big
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03:56<firefox>inkbottle, Either way... this here is for debian.. on a computer and that alone. I can't help you, maybe some one can, but you gonna have better luck waiting in emdebian..
03:56<amitz>firefox: yeah :-p
03:57<firefox>amitz, what can I say... I am a trolls troll haha
04:00<inkbottle>firefox: sure, but i know it's ot, i was just asking. someone could have had information. anyway this question is not to have easy and straightforward answer
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04:02<inkbottle>i'll try to search a little bit more on the net
04:02<firefox>inkbottle, btw I wasnt calling you a troll, it was from an earlier convo.
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04:02<firefox>and I look mean yet again haha
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04:22<itchbone>in a moment of desperation, I was able to use a Palm Pre to join IRC via Nice!
04:24<itchbone>I installed via netinst, Alpha1 Release, Squeeze on an AMD with Nvidia GeForce.. Everything worked fine after installing glxgears even...
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04:25<itchbone>but when I took it off the network and brought it home it was still working just fine until my SECOND reboot on/of due to daily use/nonuse)
04:26<itchbone>Anyway should it be looking at xfree86 for a .conf file in X11? This raises alarms as I HAVE no xorg.conf... I thiink I need to install nvidia-glx but do not have a network connection.
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04:42<AcePreshaw>can i run debian
04:43<AcePreshaw>on ubuntu
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04:43<dpkg>Don't write words all in capital letters unless they're abbreviations. To emphasize words, put an underscore ("_") on both sides.
04:43<locklace>that's like strapping a ferrari to the top of a yugo
04:43<firefox>AcePreshaw, with some vmware stuff sure
04:44<azeem_>eh, or just in a chroot
04:45<AcePreshaw>but ubuntu is aebian
04:46<firefox>!tell AcePreshaw ubuntu
04:46<firefox>huh.. I epic failed apparently
04:47<locklace>!lose firefox
04:47<dpkg>firefox: You Lose.
04:47<fr3d>i got a debian lenny 2.6.26-2-amd64 Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 920 @ 2.67GHz with 8G of ram, i installed vmware but sometimes it cause a kernel panic expecially with scsi vm hard-disk. Unlucky there are no log about this panic and i don't have console to see the screen log:(
04:48<locklace>fr3d: look into netconsole
04:48<locklace>!tell fr3d about netconsole
04:48<azeem_>AcePreshaw: do you have a Debian question?
04:48<firefox>!tell AcePreshaw about ubuntu
04:49<firefox>there... I win
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05:15<AcePreshaw>can i have the web
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05:19<azeem_>AcePreshaw: if you don't have a Debian question, please either keep quiet or leave
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05:33<miguel000>What terminal emulator is like xterm but with tranparency?
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05:34<azeem>maybe aterm?
05:34<Daneish>i was wondering if anyone could help with python install
05:34<Daneish>actually, update
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05:36<Daneish>i'm not sure how to set the default system python command to version 2.6 instead of the current 2.5
05:36<azeem>which version of Debian?
05:37<azeem>,versions python2.6
05:37<judd>python2.6 -- sid: 2.6.5-1; squeeze: 2.6.5-1
05:37<azeem>Daneish: it's not available for lenny
05:37<Daneish>i built from source
05:38<Daneish>i am trying to set the path to point to the version that I built, not from the package manager
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05:39<azeem>are you asking how to change the PATH environment variable?
05:40<Daneish>i'm not quite sure of the terminology, but when i type in 'python' in the terminal, i would like version 2.6 to be activated
05:41<Daneish>if that means changing the PATH environment variable, then cool, other wise i am not sure how to go about this
05:41<azeem>/usr/bin/python is a symlink
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05:41<azeem>you could make a symlink /usr/local/bin/python
05:41<azeem>pointing to your python2.6 executable
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05:42<miguel000>aterm is great, thank you
05:42<Daneish>should i delete the symlink in /usr/bin/python?
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05:43<Daneish>or does the usr/local/bin override the /usr/bin?
05:44<musca>Daneish: debian handles such cases with /etc/alternatives, man update-alternatives
05:44<azeem>musca: no
05:44<musca>teach me, pls :)
05:44<azeem>well, it doesn't
05:44<Daneish>aye, i think we are all here to learn
05:45<azeem>11:41 < azeem> /usr/bin/python is a symlink
05:45<azeem>it's not a symlink to /etc/alternatives/python
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05:45<azeem>Daneish: /usr/local/bin is usually before /usr/bin in the PATH, so yes, it will override it
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05:46<Daneish>very nice :)
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05:47<Daneish>worked like a charm
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05:48<Daneish>i was just unsure of symlink syntax
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05:48<Daneish>this helped quite a bit though
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05:50<fr3d>locklace: yes but it's a remote server, it's not in lan with me
05:50<Daneish>thank you azeem for your help!!
05:51<locklace>fr3d: it doesn't need to be
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05:56<fr3d>locklace: it try with modprobe netconsole netconsole="@/,@Xx.xx.123.12/" and after i try to load and unload a module on a kernel but no traffic is generated by host (i did tcpdump and no packet go out)
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06:06<mjt>what's the way to get photos from a digital usb photo camera? It used to work in gnome when hot-plugging the camera, but is there a way to manually run some program for that?
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06:08<mjt>i found gthumb which - i think - i used for that, at least the interface looks familiar. But when clicking "import" it says: "An error occurred in the io-library ('Bad parameters'): Could not find USB device (vendor 0x4a9, product 0x3146). Make sure this device is connected to the computer."
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06:11<mjt>'hwell. "PATCH: fix gthumb-importer script to properly identify gvfs gphoto2 mounts"
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06:16<miguel000>how can i find out what font my xterm is using?
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06:17<cahoot>miguel000: possibly xwininfo
06:18<miguel000>yeah thats a nice one. because I didnt like the default one in aterm
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07:00<centyx>hi, is lxde currently broken in squeeze?
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07:04<tumenjargal>there is anyone?
07:04<tumenjargal>how are you
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07:04<AlBaTrOs>not 2 great
07:04<tumenjargal>3 ops?
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07:05<tumenjargal>pls let me know ops?
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07:05<tumenjargal>I seeing 3 ops, 406 total
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07:06<stuckey>when will squeeze be stable?
07:06<dpkg>Squeeze will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. No release schedule is done yet. Ask me about <squeeze bet>. See
07:06<tumenjargal>#php is rocj
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07:14<centyx>i reckon i should file a bug report
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07:14<centyx>in /usr/bin/startlxde it should read lxsession -e LXDE, not lxsession -s LXDE
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07:24<lorena>OLA OLA OLA
07:25<lorena>COMO TE LLAMAS
07:25<gsimmons>centyx: This is now performed (along with -s) in unstable's lxde-common.
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07:25<slappy>me llamo slappy
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07:47<lancelot_of>hi all
07:49<lancelot_of>some flash applications on the web do not work on iceweasel. I suppose that's a plugin bug issue, 'cause some time ago all worked correctly. Any suggestion how to fix?
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07:49<lancelot_of>i can give some links to test plugin does not work correctly
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07:55<lancelot_of>in ^^ the flash doesn't work on my iceweasel
07:55<lancelot_of>please help
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07:55<ed__>maybe the website was updated to require a newer version of flash?
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07:56<lancelot_of>ed__, maybe but it seems to me the flash plugin i have is the most recent available on the distro...
07:57<lancelot_of> flashplugin-nonfree, version 1:2.8
07:57<ed__>well, I can't think of any other possibilities, sorry. Maybe someone else can.
07:57<lancelot_of>ed__, thanks anyway ;)
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07:58<bremner_>lancelot_of: did you compare your experience with the bugs already reported? is it something new?
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08:02<Brodziak>hello, i got problem ^^
08:02<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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08:04<Brodziak>ok, i installed debian using "net install" and here comes question: How can i install desktop environment? (i got command line only) :)
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08:06<azeem>Brodziak: run tasksel as root
08:06<Brodziak>huh? what do you mean exacly?
08:06<Brodziak>(yup, its my first time using debian)
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08:07<azeem>login as root
08:07<Brodziak>i am
08:07<azeem>run the command `tasksel'
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08:07<Brodziak>ok, it make something
08:08<Brodziak>manually choose packets
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08:08<Brodziak>can you lead me?
08:08<azeem>Brodziak: you should be able to select "desktop environment"
08:09<Brodziak>there is no such a thing like that :(
08:09<azeem>"Graphical desktop environment"?
08:09<ed__>Hello guys. I have a USB 3G dongle that emulates an old-fashioned modem.
08:09<ed__>My first problem is that it doesn't appear as /dev/ttyUSB2 as I'm used to in Ubuntu, so I'm not sure how to mount it. Maybe it's as simple as doing some modprobe?
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08:09<ed__>Second, I notice how wvdial is not included on the liveCD. Does debian have an out-of-the-box solution to connect using a dialup modem at all?
08:09<azeem>Brodziak: what language is this?
08:10<azeem>so maybe it's translated?
08:10<azeem>try "LANG=C tasksel" if you want the english version
08:10<Brodziak>in polish "rêczny wybór pakietów" -> it mean "manually choose pakets"
08:11<azeem>that is all?
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08:12<miguel000>can I send simulated keystrokes to X in some way?
08:12<miguel000>somethiing like: xsendkey alt+1 ?
08:13<Brodziak>its like this... You can choose to install one or more of the following predefined collections of software. Choose software to install: []manual package selection
08:13<Brodziak>only this
08:14<Brodziak>and i cant choose anything
08:14<azeem>ok, what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say?
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08:16<Brodziak>it says: ii libc6 2.7-18lenny1 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
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08:18<gsimmons>Brodziak: Do you have any sources (e.g. an official Debian mirror) configured in your /etc/apt/sources.list file?
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08:19<Brodziak>nothing is configured (i used "net install"), no sources i guess
08:19<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc> lenny main" and "deb lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
08:19<mjt>hm. I used to install -stable and some selected packages from -testing, listing both in sources.lst and having APT::Default-Release set to stable. At that time it updated packages i installed from testing when new stuff appeared there. But now it does not do it anymore, even if I manually ask it to install a package (only explicit -t testing helps). I think I've seen how to do it properly somewhere but can't find it. How?.. :)
08:19<gsimmons>Brodziak: That would explain your lack of available tasks.
08:20<dpkg>Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers.
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08:21<lancelot_of>can anyone make any selection on the flash app on the link i gave: ?
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08:22<Brodziak>so can you help me to fix those tasks?
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08:23<azeem>Brodziak: fix your souces.list, run apt-get update
08:23<azeem>rerun tasksel
08:23<azeem>Brodziak: assuming you have working internet
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08:27<Brodziak>eh, it can be little problem cause i use wi-fi
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08:28<Brodziak>i propably need to configure it?
08:28<azeem>if you want to install a desktop environment, you need internet
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08:30<Brodziak>i know i do need it :) but its propably not configured (need to enter password/etc)
08:30<azeem>right, so do that
08:30<lancelot_of>bremner_, however i read it's a known, but unsolved, bug
08:30<azeem>if you don't know how to do this, that would be your actual problem/question
08:31<Brodziak>it is :)
08:31<Brodziak>can you help me how to do it?
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08:31<azeem>I don't have the time right now
08:32<azeem>start by telling the channel what wlan hardware you have, and what kind of wlan (wep, wpa)
08:32<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>, <wl>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wimax>.
08:32<bremner_>lancelot_of: it would be helpful then to say "does anyone know a workaround for bug #xxxxxx", and then describe the symptoms. In the case of flash, you are still probably out of luck, but you never know.
08:33<Brodziak>its realtek, wpa
08:33<azeem>Brodziak: does "/sbin/iwconfig" show it?
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08:35<Brodziak>wlan0 show something...
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08:35<azeem>14:31 < azeem> start by telling the channel what wlan hardware you have, and what kind of wlan (wep, wpa)
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08:35<Brodziak>but there should be name description in it?
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08:35<azeem>please answer the above
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08:36<Brodziak>its Realtek PCI-MINI kind... (cant remember the numbers), and its wpa
08:37<dpkg>i guess dialup is the worst type of internet connection available. Ask me about <dialup install>, <ppp>, <modem>.
08:37<dpkg>[modem] (Modulator/Demodulator) A device to turn digital signals to analog ones and back again, so they can be transmitted and translated back to digital at another modem without loss. Used for communication through means of audio, telephone, CB, etc. Ask me about <ppp>. USB CDC ACM-compliant modems are supported by the Linux kernel's cdc-acm driver (/dev/ttyACM*). See also <winmodem>.
08:37<azeem>ed__: please /msg the bot
08:37<ed__>okay, I will
08:38<Brodziak>azeem: got any ideas?
08:38<lancelot_of>the problems are solved with the beta release of flash plugin 10.1 rc from
08:38<lancelot_of>for anyone interested....anyway thanks to all
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08:39<dpkg>wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian systems in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired (especially "Troubleshooting" regarding association to hidden SSIDs). Debian-Installer does not support WPA at this time; see also <nowpa>.
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08:40<azeem>Brodziak: see e.g.
08:41<Brodziak>hmm? so i need to remove wpa protection?
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08:41<azeem>Brodziak: whyß
08:41<azeem>or see e.g. /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz
08:41<azeem>just setup /etc/network/interfaces appropriately for wlan0
08:43<Brodziak>when i enter /etc/network/interfaces it says Access denied
08:43<azeem>as root
08:43<Brodziak>i am on root
08:43<azeem>you need to edit it, it's a configuration file
08:44<Brodziak>how? :)
08:44<azeem>why did you install via netinst without internet?
08:44<azeem>maybe it is easier to download full cd #1, which will get you a desktop environment
08:44<Brodziak>someone told me to use netinst yesterday
08:44<azeem>or drop the wpa during the installation, that should work with the installer as well
08:45<Brodziak>cause i wanted to start using debian
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08:46<Brodziak>i think i will download cd#1
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08:46<azeem>Brodziak: if disabling wpa is not an option, that is probably the best choice
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08:47<Brodziak>i see, thank you for help :)
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08:48<Brodziak>i got to go now, thank you all for help
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08:50<miguel000>i have a tranparent aterm, however the transparency is gone as soon as I open a man page or vim or something..
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08:50<miguel000>is it possible to supress this?
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08:50<azeem>miguel000: no
08:50<azeem>'d say
08:51<azeem>they are setting an opaque background
08:51<miguel000>what what?
08:51<miguel000>ah ok
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08:51<miguel000>irsii is however tranparen for instance
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08:52<azeem>can well be
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08:52*mjt found all that "fancy" stuff too slow and too "cluttery" to be useful
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08:53<azeem>transparent terminals are pretty 90s anyway
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08:53<mjt>transparent text is difficult to read, and the slowness is umm.. just too annoying
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08:53<miguel000>yeaah you guys are right , it will definietly NOT increasy my productivity
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08:53<mjt>actually i wonder if it's just me or is it this slow for everyone else?
08:54<miguel000>what slowness?
08:54<miguel000>my aterms just use some pseudo-transparency
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08:54<mjt>when enabling transparency, for example scrolling in the *term becomes quite slower than before
08:54<miguel000>so its not really significantly slower
08:55<miguel000>depends if you use real transparency, where you can see also other windows trhough or just the pseudo thing I have
08:55<mjt>hm. how to bring up menu in gnome terminal?
08:55<azeem>right click?
08:55<Gathond>the slowness probably depends a lot on the graphics support in use
08:55<mjt>doh, yeah, right click works :)
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08:56<Gathond>however I've always found very much transparency to seriously mess with my ability to quickly read and interpret the information
08:56<azeem>miguel000: ok, pseudo transparency is 90s
08:56<mjt>hm ok, gnome terminal isn't noticeable slower with some transparency added
08:56<azeem>real transparency is something differnt; but as you noticed, some console apps don't play nice
08:56<mjt>maybe the graphics driver is now faster
08:56<miguel000>however when I imagine games with thousands polygons and textures, and they are quite smooth, rendering a couple of rectangles should not be too slow
08:57<miguel000>i have a tiling window manager, so i wouldnt notice ANY difference
08:57<mjt>here with vi or less running in gnome-xterm it's still transparent.
08:57<miguel000>there are never overlapping windows
08:58<miguel000>mjt: in your case gnome is making the transparency, but here my terminals are responsible for it
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08:58<mjt>heh. While moving the window I expect the "transparent" background to be redrawn too, not only when releasing it!.. ;)
08:58<miguel000>maybe depends on the terminal emulator
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08:58<mjt>what's "gnome" ?
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08:59<miguel000>i thought your window manager
08:59<mjt>i've a host named 'gnome' here. sitting at another room
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08:59<mjt>and i don't run gnome
08:59<mjt>gnome uses metacity by default
08:59<mjt>a window manager has nothing to do with transparency, as far as i can see.
08:59<miguel000>it definietly has
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09:00<azeem>miguel000: it's gnome-terminal which does it
09:00<mjt>in my case anyway :)
09:00<azeem>unless, of course, you're talking about a compositing window manager
09:00<azeem>which metacity isn't
09:00*mjt turns the thing back off...
09:00*miguel000 checks if his gnome is still in the other room
09:00<mjt>..and the gnome-terminal... crashes.
09:01<miguel000>aterm is quite fast here
09:01<miguel000>azeem, ; yeah youre right I thought that mjt has a compositing one
09:01<mjt>miguel000: gnometerm is actually fast here too. I think it was quite long time ago when I tried it and at that time it were really was slow.
09:01<miguel000>but in that case gnome-term is doing the work
09:02<mjt>compositing does not work with radeon so far, at least as far as i tried... ;)
09:02<mjt>(with latest bits from -experimental)
09:02<gsimmons>azeem: Uh, actually Metacity can do compositing.
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09:02<miguel000>with composiitng it should be fast do nowadays, concerning it uses the acceleration of the graphic cards
09:02<azeem>gsimmons: it doesn't by default
09:02<azeem>not in lenny anyway
09:02<gsimmons>Ah, right.
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09:02<azeem>compositing can be done in software as wel
09:03<azeem>anyway, this is getting off-topic
09:03<miguel000>everything can be done in software just slower
09:03<miguel000>soo, whats the topic :) ?
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09:06<azeem>Debian support
09:06<mjt>oh ma. I just ran `compiz --replace', and it actually worked, and now it looks like i've no window manager...
09:06<mjt>ie, all windows are w/o frames, windows switching does not work etc
09:06<miguel000>mabye you can do metacity --replace
09:07<azeem>it's a frequent bug in compiz
09:07<azeem>you're missing the core plugins
09:07<azeem>well, s/bug in/problem with/
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09:09<mjt>compiz-fusion-plugins-main -- this one?
09:09<mjt>(it's installed)
09:09<azeem>no idea
09:10<mjt>or compiz-plugins... ;)
09:10<azeem>check you gconf settings
09:10<azeem>could be they are not activated
09:10<mjt>..also installed
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09:11<mjt>it's fun to have unmovable and unswitchable windows ;)
09:11<azeem>you can install the ccsm or what's it called that config manager app
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09:12<handheldCar>Do you have compizconfig-settings-manager?
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09:13<mjt>compizconfig-settings-manager, yes
09:13<seanius> mjt: you can supply the plugins on the cmdline to compiz as well, i.e. compiz gconf decoration etc
09:13<mjt>ok, lemme restart the session ;)
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09:19<mjt>lxde is here. and even after editing ~/.config/lxsession/LXDE/config to set windowManager it still runs openbox.
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09:26<pkkm>ersion futrzak
09:26<pkkm>sry, not that window
09:27<mjt>heh. After replacing /usr/bin/openbox with a symlink to compiz it actually works :)
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09:27<pkkm>Is there debian for armv4l architecture?
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09:29<mjt>what I "love" about lxde is a complete lack of documentation.
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09:31<philipp>anyone here?
09:32<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
09:33<philipp>i am curriently trieing get my g15 to work
09:33<philipp>but i cant compile the program
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09:34<philipp>configure: error: /bin/bash ./config.sub make failed
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09:34<philipp>checking build system type... Invalid configuration `make': machine `make' not recognized
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09:36<philipp>if i install lcdproc
09:36<mjt>..and even if there IS some documentation, the thing does not behave like documented. Sigh.
09:36<philipp>shouldnt that mean i install lcdd with it?
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09:39<philipp>plz help me installing my g13
09:39<philipp>i am so desperated
09:39<philipp>plzzz help!
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09:45<mjt>heck. So the only way to configure lxde to run different window manager is to edit /etc/xdg/lxsesion/config
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09:46<mjt>but how i use different wm for me and my wife?? :)
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09:52<mjt>it's "awesome" how every damn small bit is broken broken broken broken... :)
09:52<mjt>can't it "just work", at least _some_ of it? :)
09:53<azeem>file a bug
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09:53<mjt>that compiz thing -- it is actually loads and initializes all the plugins
09:53<mjt>and prints just that to stdout
09:53<mjt>on the 'net there are numerous mentions of this issue, too
09:54<mjt>without a solution (at least so far)
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09:57<mercutio22>Compiz has ceased to work again: How can I check if the nvidia driver module is properly loaded?
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09:58<azeem>mercutio22: glxinfo maybe
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10:06<mercutio22>azeem: I don't understand this output. But there seems to be an error:glXCreateContext failed. Does that make any sense to you?
10:06<mercutio22>here's the full thing
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10:09<azeem>no idea, but it looks like nvidia
10:09<azeem>check your X log maybe
10:09<azeem>I guess the nvidia driver broke
10:10<mercutio22>hmm ok
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10:16<netsharc>Hi all, here's a question for you: I can't ping my own IP (including localhost).. no firewall, pinging others work fine...
10:16<netsharc>what could it be/how would I go and debug it
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10:17<azeem>is the loopback interface up?
10:17<netsharc>as I said, eth1 doesn't work either
10:18<netsharc>I have 2 NICs, one is not connected.. last boot this same thing happened, I removed 3c59x (kernel module for eth0), and wow, it worked again
10:18<netsharc>(ping worked).. but this time, no such luck.
10:19<netsharc>I'm thinking it's the IP stack since pinging lo doesn't work... maybe I should try bringing down eth1 and seeing if then pinging lo works...
10:19<handheldCar>Could the host files or network interfaces file be set up wrong?
10:19<netsharc>they look normal, and on previous boot it was all fine
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10:20<netsharcX>Hi all, here's a question for you: I can't ping my own IP (including localhost).. no firewall, pinging others work fine...
10:20<netsharc>huh, did I just join the same place :)
10:20<handheldCar>wut the
10:21<azeem>netsharc: you just asked that
10:21<netsharc>wanted to join, didn't see that room, saw debian instead.. and I thought I'd join as well for the official debian channel..
10:21<azeem>netsharc: how do you actually "ping lo"?
10:21<netsharc>apparently they're both the same server..
10:21<netsharc>I mean ping
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10:21<azeem>netsharc: is /etc/hosts setup?
10:22<netsharc>anyway I type ping localhost, and it says pinging, but then nothing, no "no reply", "timeout" or "dest. host unreachable" messages.
10:23<azeem>pastebin the output of iptables -L
10:23<handheldCar>netsharc: the other channel is on freenode.
10:23<netsharc>anyway, I guess there's a bug somewhere, because the last time it worked... so how would I debug it..
10:24<netsharc>there's no iptables rules setup..
10:24<handheldCar>Do you do -c 4 when pinging?
10:24<azeem>netsharc: is this the stock Debian kernel?
10:24<netsharc>ah I didn't
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10:25<netsharc>I believe so, 2.6.29 on debian lenny...
10:25<noflash>handheldCar, what difference would that make?
10:25<netsharc>ah, such an obscure problem, on the forums I'd get useless answers like "firewall".. yeah right..
10:25<handheldCar>not much now that I think about it. no output means no replies.
10:25<azeem>2.6.29 is not lenny
10:25<bja>. kernels
10:25<azeem>netsharc: what does "uname -r" say?
10:26<bja>judd: kernels
10:26<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.4); sid: 2.6.32-4-686 (2.6.32-11); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2)
10:26<netsharc>oh well, at the moment I can't reach the box, so I'm looking for tips on how to debug it later..
10:26<pkkm>Is there debian for armv4l architecture?
10:26<azeem>bja: great, now he can just copy&paste
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10:27<bja>!lart bja
10:27*dpkg duct-tapes bja to the floor and drools on him
10:27<azeem>netsharc: is this a vps?
10:27<azeem>or some hosted root server?
10:27<netsharc>Pentium II 400 MHz, IBM PC 300 GL
10:27<netsharc>yay ancient machine
10:28<azeem>well, come back when you have the output from uname -r
10:28<netsharc>and no debugging tips :)
10:28<netsharc>I believe it was -26 anyway
10:28<mjt>after updating to -testing compiz actually worked.
10:28<azeem>my debugging tip is "run uname -r"
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10:29<netsharc>I wonder if one can tell the IP stack to spew out debug messages, to see if the ping packet gets generated, where it goes and so on..
10:29<netsharc>to see where it goes wrong.
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10:29<azeem>check syslog maybe
10:30<themill>netsharc: you have, of course, checked "iptables -L"
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10:30<netsharc>themill: yes..
10:31<netsharc>I repeat, last boot it did the same thing, I have 2 NICs, 1 e100 onboad, 1 3com, the e100 is connected, 3com no... couldn't ping self.. then I did rmmod 3c59x, and wow, it worked again..
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10:32<netsharc>but considering I can't ping localhost now, I guess it's not really a hardware bug.. more probably on the kernel's network stack..
10:32<azeem>without access to the box, it's hard to say
10:32<mercutio22>I am trying to kill X so I can install nvidia drivers. If I kill /usr/bin/X it is automatically restarted. Is it possible to kill it for good?
10:32<themill>unless you've made a mess of your routing or packet forwarding with this multi-nic setup
10:33<netsharc>I repeat, it worked before..
10:33<netsharc>no packet forwarding or anything fancy set-up
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10:33<themill>netsharc: if you've never changed anything then it's not going to be a bug that's magically appeared from nowhere though.
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10:34<mjt>..but after upgrading to testing lots of other stuff stopped working. *shrug*.
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10:36<azeem>mercutio22: /etc/init.d/gdm stop or so maybe
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10:36<My-Computer>isnt there a way to import the accounts from pidgin or empathy into evolution ... and if so which file would i be looking for debian 5.0
10:36<mercutio22>azeem: yes!
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10:36<mjt> particular (among 100 other things) -- where's at least _some_ terminal icon in the start menu?? ;) I've xterm, urxvt, and gnome-terminal, neither of which is in the applictation menu... :)
10:36<mercutio22>azeem: thanks
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10:37<azeem>mjt: Terminal is in Applications->Accessories or so
10:37<azeem>My-Computer: evolution can import pidgin contacts I believe, it's somewhere in the Preferences
10:38<bja>!tell netsharc about idfma
10:38<netsharc>oh yeah
10:39<My-Computer>guess ill try exporting a seprate file first
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10:39<netsharc>question is: can I tell the IP stack to spew out debug messages, to see if the ping packet gets generated, where it goes and so on?
10:39<netsharc>hah, answer that..
10:40<netsharc>because I've been playing with Linux for .. wow, 12 years now
10:40<azeem>netsharc: dunno, read the documentation
10:40<netsharc>gee, thanks man
10:40<azeem>netsharc: you can always add printks yourself
10:40<bja>netsharc: ask on
10:41<netsharc>I'll just be rude and wander off now.
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10:41<azeem>oh well
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10:41<bja>azeem: btw did you get my pm the other day?
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10:42<sney>for future reference you can also use ettercap to watch your computer generate packets and send them places.
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10:45<mjt>azeem: apparently the lack of any terminal here is a bug in lxpanel
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10:45<mjt>i can only guess that it does not understand the format of the .desktop file
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10:46<mjt>or maybe it wants some rehash/recache
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10:48<mjt>the "Root Terminal" is here. The "terminal", who's .desktop file is similar, is not.
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10:51<mjt>upgrading lxpanel to the one in testing didn't help, but broke alltry
10:51<mjt>alltay even
10:52<bja>What is dpkg factoid to get a package from sid onto lenny?
10:53<adb> ssb
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11:01<mjt>what's a way to add a new application to the start menu??
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11:04<mjt>it's just insane that such a simple tasks don't have solutions... All I want is to restore the missing terminal icon...
11:05<azeem>next time, mention your desktop environment so people don't have to search through scrollback
11:05<mjt>i found some xml files in ~/.config/menus/applications-merged/
11:05<mjt>for items which apeared in my start menu and which i wasn't able to find before
11:05<mjt>got rid of them
11:06<mjt>it's lxde, but i suppose they're now standartized somehow, now?
11:06<mjt>the .desktop files, /usr/share/applications/ and the like?
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11:06<mjt>it displays most of the apps found in /usr/share/applications/
11:06<mjt>but not all of them
11:06<azeem>mjt: the .desktop files are, but not the code parsing them
11:06<azeem>so if lxde can't figure it out...
11:07<mjt>it's a bug, i've got it
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11:07<mjt>suggested elsewhere way to create ~/.config/applications/foo.desktop does not work either -- that stuff is being ignored by lxde, it looks like
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11:08<mjt>heh. that was a mistake to try compiz ;)
11:08<mjt>a BIG mistake ;)
11:09<mjt>and now it's quite difficult to go back to -stable, which worked.
11:09<azeem>yes, downgrades are not supported
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11:10<mjt>heh. But now my photo camera started working again
11:10<mjt>so you either have working photo camera or working xterm.
11:10<mjt>but not both
11:10<azeem>please be precise
11:10<azeem>"workign xterm application starter"
11:11<mjt>i'm kidding really, you know
11:11<mjt>YAY. I installed lxterminal, and at least that one appeared in the menu!.. :)
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11:15*mjt found and installed lxshortcut, apparently to create "shortcuts" like needed. And wonders why lxshortcut does not have shortcut for itself...
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11:15<mjt>..because it's a command-line app
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11:24<mjt>no, it's definitely fantastic. The "edit quick lanch" (from lxpanel) shows gnome terminal, while it is not shown in the main menu. And it is not being auto-started anymore too.
11:25<mjt>hm.. gnome-terminal.desktop has this line: "OnlyShowIn=GNOME;"
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11:26<mjt>and after removing that line, it appeared in the lxde start menu.
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11:28<mjt>in gnome-terminal.desktop in lenny there was no such line
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11:33<mjt>well. Actually trying compiz was interesting. It is significantly faster.
11:33<mjt>even with all the shadows under windows and the like
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11:40<mjt>wow. Finally I was able to configure lxsession to start compiz instead of openbox... I straced the thing and found it looks for ~/.config/lxsession/LXDE/desktop.conf
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12:28<miguel_>i have absolutely no idea about HOW haskell works, but can someone tell me what is wrong about this line of code:
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12:28<miguel_>dzenSwitchWs s = "^ca(1, " ++ (show s) ++ ")" ++ s ++ "^ca()"
12:29<miguel_>I copied it from somewhere and im afraid the ^ are some mistake
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12:29<miguel_>aaah sooory, wrong channel
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12:34<Dreakon>Hey guys, is it hard to build a DEB from the latest Wine development release?
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12:34<Dreakon>All of the repo's I find don't have the latest, even the official Wine repo's.
12:35<Torsten_W>depends on you knowledge
12:36<Dreakon>Oh, hey Torsten_W, I remember you. lol
12:36<Dreakon>Wine 1.1.43 is out now. ;)
12:36<Torsten_W>i know, i have it in my repo
12:37<Dreakon>The Wine repo's are still 1.1.41 for Debian. :( It makes me a sad panda.
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12:40<Dreakon>Torsten_W, I feel silly for asking, so feel free to flame me out if I'm out of line. But if you have a .deb built for Wine 1.1.43, would it be possible to link me to it like you did 1.1.42?
12:42<Dreakon>Awesome, thank you very much! :)
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13:08<spamhog>straw poll: gadmin-samba vs. swat vs. system-config-samba ? (sorry, no points for suggesting vi ed nano emacs....;-)
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13:11<themill>dpkg: tell spamhog about polls
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13:11<dpkg>Insufficient Data For Meaningful Answer
13:12<spamhog>hahaha I had no idea
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13:12<spamhog>is there a special command for ending the economic crisis?
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13:13<bja>spamhog: There is. Some people consider it impolite
13:13<bremner_>yes, but you need to be root on the right machine. And define "ending the economic crisis" the right way
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13:18<spamhog>too much time away from here... :(
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13:21<Cloffy>I changed the sound card on my system (from SB Live to SB Audigy) and I can't get it to play sound. Alsamixer channels are on, but it seems that alsa is feeding the previous (non-existant) sound-card to programs. How do I get it to play through my new card?
13:22<Cloffy>I googled around, but couldn't solve it yet. I saw suggestions about alsaconf, but I don't even have that.
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13:26<Cloffy>How do you load modules?
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13:26<locklace>Cloffy: cat /proc/asound/cards and
13:27<bja>!pie locklace
13:27*dpkg hits locklace in the face with a cream pie
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13:27<locklace>!beer bja
13:27*dpkg pulls out a tasty Jever for bja
13:27<Cloffy>thx, locklace, shall try
13:28<Cloffy>locklace: I don't have /etc/modprobe.conf :-/
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13:29<adb>Cloffy, uname -r , says ?
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13:29<Cloffy>thx, locklace
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13:29<Cloffy>adb: 2.6.32-trunk-686
13:30<adb>Cloffy, install lastest: 2.6.32-3-686
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13:30<cahoot>why - for an audigy?
13:31<adb>no, just to be up to date
13:33<Cloffy>I'm now trying to understand, which file in /etc/modprobe.d/ is the modprobe.conf equivalent
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13:33<cahoot>Cloffy: cat /proc/asound/cards - more than one?
13:34<cahoot>or none?
13:34<Cloffy> 0 [Audigy ]: Audigy - SB Audigy 1 [SB0092]
13:34<Cloffy> SB Audigy 1 [SB0092] (rev.3, serial:0x531102) at 0xb400, irq 18
13:34<cahoot>Cloffy: so all seems well
13:35<cahoot>Cloffy: test sound with speaker-test -t wav -c2
13:35<Cloffy>the alsamixer also thinks everything's dandy
13:35<Cloffy>I get funny errors
13:35<Cloffy>gona paste a few lines, hope I don't get kicked
13:35<Cloffy>what is the max?
13:35<cahoot>use a pastebin
13:36<Cloffy>OK, I'll try to limit myself to 4 or 5
13:36<themill>Cloffy: use a pastebin
13:36<cahoot>>3 will render a kick
13:36<Cloffy>a little part of the many similar lines
13:36<Cloffy>ALSA lib confmisc.c:768:(parse_card) cannot find card 'Live'
13:36<Cloffy>ALSA lib conf.c:4154:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_card_driver returned error: No such device
13:36<Cloffy>ALSA lib pcm.c:2211:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM default
13:36<Cloffy>Playback open error: -19,No such device
13:37<Cloffy>there is no "Live" anymore
13:37<Cloffy>I took that card out
13:38<locklace>do you have an asoundrc or some alsa config file that still refers to it
13:38<Cloffy>locklace: I honestly don't know
13:38<Cloffy>I'm semi-noob, so I understand things if they are explained :)
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13:39<cahoot>Cloffy: ls ~/.asound*
13:40<Cloffy>got something there
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13:40<Cloffy>does .asoundrc control these things?
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13:40<cahoot>it tends to mess up things
13:41<Cloffy>that file is basically empty
13:41<Cloffy>but there is another
13:41<Cloffy>with stuff in it :)
13:41<cahoot>you perhaps did run asoundconf at some stage?
13:41<Cloffy>says defaults.ctl.card Live
13:41<Cloffy> :D
13:41<Cloffy>cahoot: can't remember - possibly
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13:41<Cloffy>while desperately smashing keys :)
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13:42<cahoot>I'd say you don't need them
13:42<Cloffy>cahoot: should I just remove/rename them?
13:42<Cloffy>and restart the... the... alsa?
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13:42<Cloffy>the damn thing is pointing to Live
13:42<cahoot>no need restart I believe
13:43<cahoot>just remove them
13:43<Cloffy>if I write "0" or "Audigy" instead of it, it may work, but I'll try renaming and restarting ALSA
13:43<Cloffy>ok, cahoot
13:43<cahoot>noe run speaker-test
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13:44<Cloffy>speaker-test is doing stuff, but I don't get sound :-/
13:45<cahoot>ctrl-c, then (as root) /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0
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13:45<Cloffy>yes, now sound players don't give errors, but I get no sound
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13:47<Cloffy>funny, one of the red sockets gives out some sound, but the green is silent (don't know which does what exatly), but there is some progress :p
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13:47<Cloffy>I mean, the sockets on the sound card
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13:48<Cloffy>this is confusing, alsamixer seems to be good
13:49<Cloffy>the players give no more errors
13:49<Cloffy>yet there is silence in the normal socket
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13:50<cahoot>Cloffy: you might try toggle the Ananlog/Digital switch in alsamixer
13:50<dpkg>For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images.
13:51<Cloffy>wowww, cahoot, you saved my sound! :D
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13:51<Cloffy>cahoot: you get my blessings :D
13:51<Cloffy>that was it
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13:53<Dreakon>Hey guys, I'm trying to run the playstation emulator ePSXe 1.5.2 with the latest version of Wine. If I right click ePSXe.exe and select to launch it with Wine, it opens normally and everything works. Is there any way to put a link to it in the menu?
13:53<Dreakon>I'm using GNOME, and Debian Testing
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14:04<Cloffy>Why does my rhythmbox make a tiny gap of silence before making a crossover to the next song?
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14:10<Greed>Cloffy: maybe a problem with gstreamer
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14:11<Greed>I have a problem with ogg stream
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14:12<cahoot>Cloffy: aqualung boosts about gapless play
14:12<Dreakon>Golly goshums, running ePSXe in Wine is kind of silly.
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14:13<Cloffy>cahoot: that's a player?
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14:13<Dreakon>It seems any way of running it, outside of physically right clicking and running the EXE, just baffles it lol
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14:16<levent>hi all
14:17<levent>i am trying to compile kerio vpn client on xubuntu amd64
14:18<dpkg>Xubuntu is a derivative of <Ubuntu> with the <Xfce> desktop environment. It is not supported in #debian, join #xubuntu on for support. See also <based on debian>.
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14:20<levent>kernel is the same
14:20<levent>just a small help needed please
14:20<levent>I need to change arch
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14:21<levent>sudo module-assistant auto-install kerio-vpn
14:21<levent>stops because arch amd64 is not found
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14:23<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is off-topic on #debian.
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14:24<handheldCar>Does anybody have the problem of the previous window being selected when clicking on the OpenOffice button? Even though the OpenOffice window comes to the fore, the Firefox window is still selected. This is annoying. I can't just start typing, etc.
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14:34<mercutio22>eth0 is not managed by networkmanager for some reason
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14:39<levent>ok, if so anyone has been able to install kerio vpn on 64 bit ubuntu
14:40<levent>at least I can use it as a roadmap
14:40<levent>thank you for your concern
14:41<mercutio22>found the solution. must restartx. brb
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14:49<noflash>!tell levent -about ubuntu
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15:22<tuxG>every time i boot my system
15:22<tuxG>I have a segfault
15:23<tuxG>i have a debian squeeze
15:23<tuxG>anyone have the same probleme ?
15:24<dpkg>Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. Check for current status and ask me about <testing>. Not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. . See also <squeeze kernel>.
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15:24*handheldCar isn't sure if squeeze is supported in this channel.
15:24<niktaris_>since no xorg.conf is used anymore, where are the X settings saved ?
15:26<tuxG>so, where can i have help about squeeze ?
15:26<ml|>afaik testing is fine here, but sid is not supported
15:27<handheldCar>oh sorry tuxG
15:28<tuxG>squeeze is not the sid !!
15:30<ml|>niktaris_: if you need to create an xorg.conf and add what you need/want /msg dpkg Xstrikeforce
15:31<niktaris_>ml|, I need some custom settings but not with an .conf file.
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15:33<ml|>then how?
15:33<chealer>niktaris_: xorg.conf is still used
15:33<niktaris_>ml|, I need to know how X is configured at this piont
15:34<chealer>tuxG: did you check the BTS?
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15:35<ml|>niktaris_: what release?
15:35<niktaris_>ml|, testing
15:36<ml|>testing uses udev now afaik
15:36<niktaris_>ml|, and the configurations are stored at....
15:38<ml|>that I'm not sure, but you can set udev rules in /etc/udev/rules.d/
15:38<tuxG>chealer: what is BTS ?
15:39<ml|>like I said before and chealer said, you can still use xorg.conf
15:39<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges
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15:41<niktaris_>ml|, would use it but it needs (hopefully) to be created on the fly
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15:42<ml|>!es-social anita
15:42<dpkg>anita: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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16:16<Brodziak>hello, i got question: Debian cd#1 need any other os before install? (can i boot it?)
16:17<zeus>hi all, i've changed a faulted eth card on my lenny. now the new eth card is listed as "eth2" instead of "eth1". How can i tell my debian to forget the old eth1 and show the new eth card as eth1 ?
16:17<ml|>no, you can just install, if you have a good connection consider using the netinst iso
16:18<@weasel>Brodziak: should be bootable.
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16:19<bja>zeus: is your old card still connected?
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16:19<Brodziak>ml|: i tried that before and i stuck, cause i need my wifi connection to configure ^^
16:20<ml|>zeus: /msg dpkg 70
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16:20<ml|>yeah that won't work, without some added work, so yes cd1 would better for you then
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16:21<zeus>bja: no ... no more. The problem is this. i've just replaced it and i'd loke to see it as eth1 to not have to reconfigure all services
16:21<Brodziak>if its bootable, i can normally burn image by "alcohol 120"
16:21<bja>zeus: do as ml| told you
16:21<ml|>but you can also use netinst iso to do a minimal/base install tho
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16:24<zeus>bja: ml| wrote "/msg dpkg 70" but i do not read any msg !
16:24<bja>!tell zeus about 70
16:24<Brodziak>i will be back soon
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16:24<zeus>bja: ok !
16:25<ml|>zeus: do you know how to send a message in irc?
16:25<zeus>ml|: yes !
16:25<ml|>well then?
16:25<amphi>what you say?
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16:26<zeus>ml|: i'm reading it ... i'm workinkg on it ! ... stay tuned to hear my Debian news :-)
16:27<ml|>ok, nvm, maybe you'll understand what I mean later ;)
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16:29<zeus>ml|: it worked as expected ! thank you for your precious help !
16:30<zeus>bja: thank you too !
16:30<ml|>zeus: np, but do you understand what I mean when I said /msg dpkg 70 ?
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16:32<mjt>azeem: thank you for your help (or attempts anyway) and patience!.. It all is almost working now here (re compiz, gnome-terminal, alltray, all that stuff)...
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16:32<zeus>ml|: probably my irc client sucks. your /msg command produced no message to me. Instead the bja's !tell produced it. I've followed dpkg tips and ... it works !
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16:32<mjt>dpkg is a smart perso^Wbot!
16:32<dpkg>bugger all, i dunno, mjt
16:33<ml|>zeus: ok, when I said '/msg dpkg 70' that is for you type, what I typed does nothing
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16:33<ml|>zeus: close your current window/tab of dpkg and try it and see what I mean
16:34<zeus>ml|: OK !
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16:43<ray>hi first time user
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16:43<ray>can any one help me with debbian got a problem
16:44<ray>getting err of Err lenny/updates/main Sources
16:44<ray> Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. '
16:44<ray>W: Failed to fetch Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' how i fix it
16:44<ray>any idea
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16:45<jackyf>ray: change the mirror
16:45<ray>to what
16:45<ray>i new to debbioan
16:46<ray>i get this all time on main one also
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16:46<jackyf>try any other one
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16:47<ray>jackyf what i do copy them in
16:47<ml|>dpkg: sources
16:47<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc> lenny main" and "deb lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
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16:52<ray>getting err lenny/updates/main Sources
16:52<ray> Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. '
16:52<ray>Reading package lists... Done
16:52<ray> after i change server
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16:53<ml|>ray_: use a pastebin
16:53<ray_>how im new to debbian
16:54<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
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16:55<ray_>ml im getting this err look here
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16:55<ml|>ray_: pastebin your sources.list
16:55<ray_>hold on
16:56<ray_>ml were i finde source lisat im new just installed yesterday
16:57<ml|>ray_: ok, first man sources.list and it's in /etc/apt/sources.list
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16:58<ray_>ml look here i did net install
16:58<ray_>from cd also
16:59<ray_>ml im new to debbian also just installed from net install cd also
17:01<ray_>ml get my list
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17:03<kingsley>Can "aptitude", or a command like it, report whether there are any serious problems with package dependencies? If so, how?
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17:04<ray_>ml here last one
17:06<ray_>any one
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17:07<ray_>ml| i sent you my list
17:08<ray_>any one willing to help me with my problem
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17:10<ray_>any one willing to help me
17:10<ray_>i guess not :(
17:10<ray_>i guess no update for me
17:10<ml|>wait for someone that uses lenny to help, but line 10 looks wrong to me
17:10<ray_>ml o ok
17:10<ray_>ml i did net install from cd
17:11<ray_>any one use lenny
17:11<ml|>ray_: and please don't message people without asking
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17:11<ray_>ml thats what i got when installed from net install
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17:12<ml|>ray_: ok, I can't help atm and I don't use lenny; wait for help
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17:14<ray_>ml o ok
17:14<ray_>ml what you use?
17:14<ray_>ml want a lunchable im eating?
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17:14<ray_>ml when dose every one come on?
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17:16<ray_>ml| what you yse?
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17:22<ray_>hi any one here use lenny
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17:24<dpkg>from memory, flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also
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17:26<crenshaw>Anyone know how I might be able to pull my Fluxbox menu up even over an embedded terminal?
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17:35<ray_>any one use lenny
17:35<bremner_>!tell ray -about ask
17:35<ml|>ray_: where are you located?
17:35<ray_>ml in il
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17:36<bremner_>ray_: /msg dpkg topicname
17:37<ray_>ray_: /msg dpkg topicname
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17:41<ray_>bremner i get this err
17:41<ml|>ray_: this should work for you ...
17:41<ray_>what i do
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17:41<ray_>were i put that
17:42<ml|>but I did not touch the volatile lines
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17:43<ray_>!source list
17:43<ml|>ray_: use this one ... since I forgot to remove one line you did not need
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17:43<ml|>it goes in /etc/apt/sources.list
17:44<ray_>ml ty im new to debbian
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17:44<Brodziak>same here ^^
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17:46<ray_>ok ml im trying now
17:46<Brodziak>btw, debian cd#1 got only gnome (light) desktop enviroment?
17:46<ml|>kingsley: aptitude will tell you, just make sure to 'aptitude update' before installing new things and upgrading
17:46<ml|>Brodziak: /msg dpkg cd contents
17:47<ray_>ml just ran that one you just posted
17:47<ray_>ml what you run lenny\
17:47<chealer>Brodziak: yes
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17:48<Brodziak>seems that i installed it ^^ gonna see it after reboot
17:48<ml|>Brodziak: ray_: /msg dpkg reference
17:48<ray_>ray_: /msg dpkg reference
17:49<ray_>ml nothing poped up
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17:49<ray_>ray_: /msg dpkg reference
17:49<ml|>no, just /msg ... ; with no ray in front
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17:50<ml|>ray_: btw, no more errors?
17:50<ray_>more err
17:50<ray_>ml you run lenny
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17:50<ml|>!congratulate ray_
17:50<dpkg>Hugs & Puppies ray_, you did it!
17:50<ml|>ray_: no
17:50<ray_>ml you muast be goot with lenny
17:50<Brodziak>how i can run desktop enviroment when "installed" it? :)
17:51<ml|>nope, but understand sources.list a bit
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17:51<ray_>ml must be good with lenny
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17:51<ml|>Brodziak: gnome?
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17:51<Brodziak>yup, the lighter version
17:51<Brodziak>from cd#1
17:51<ml|>either, reboot or /etc/init.d/gdm restart
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17:52<Brodziak>i did reboot but it loads 'old' command line :S
17:52<ml|>Brodziak: ray_: please read the debian reference
17:52<ray_>i reading it
17:53<ray_>i see that
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17:53<ml|>Brodziak: how did you install gnome?
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17:55<Brodziak>ah, i propably didnt installed login manager
17:55<ml|>did X get installed?
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17:56<ml|>then installing gdm should do if not installed
17:56<Brodziak>used 'aptitude install gdm'
17:57<ml|>see gnome now?
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17:58<Brodziak>i see desktop ^^
17:58<ml|>!congratulate Brodziak
17:58<dpkg>Huzzah Brodziak, you did it!
17:59<Brodziak>yeah :D
17:59<ml|>but do /msg dpkg reference ; and read :)
18:00<Brodziak>huh? where i need to enter it? ^^
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18:00<ml|>in your irc client, then look for a tab or window named dpkg
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18:02<dpkg>[skype] a proprietary cross-platform VoIP program which Debian cannot distribute due to its restrictive license. Packages are available from or use the sources.list line "deb stable non-free". Not supported in #debian, consider using <ekiga>, <linphone> or <pidgin> instead.
18:02<ml|>dpkg: tell ray_ about selftell
18:02<ray_>ml what the heck
18:03<ray_>!tell skype
18:03<ml|>ray_: please read what dpkg just told you!
18:03<ray_>ml: /msg dpkg skype
18:03<Brodziak>ml| : how i can setup my wifi card?
18:05<ml|>Brodziak: I can't help with that but read... /msg dpkg wifi and ask after reading that and someone may help you if you get stuck
18:05<ray_>ml|: /msg dpkg skype
18:06<ml|>ray_: just '/msg dpkg skype' with nothing in front like you did before for 'reference'
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18:08<Brodziak>ml|: i dont know how to start configuration :( when debian begin to install, it found my wifi card
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18:09<ml|>Brodziak: paste the ouput of .. 'lspci -nn | grep -i network'
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18:11<ray_>!real player
18:11<ray_>i see thing on it ml
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18:11<ray_>what i do to install real player
18:11<ml|>dpkg: selftell
18:11<dpkg>Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". See also <msg the bot>
18:11<ray_>ml i did that got this
18:11<ray_><ray_> real player
18:11<ray_><dpkg> i haven't a clue
18:12<ray_>.msg dpkg foo
18:12<ray_>ml what i do
18:13<ml|>ray_: /msg dpkg realplayer
18:13<ml|>I don't use that so I can't help
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18:14<adb>ray_, realplayer is mostly dead ..
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18:18<Brodziak>well, where i need to enter that? i tried to use Terminal but nothing happen
18:19<ml|>in the terminal, what did you type?
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18:19<Brodziak>'lspci -nn | grep -i network'
18:20<ml|>without the quotes
18:20<Brodziak>without it
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18:22<ml|>hmm, are you sure you have a wifi pci device?
18:23<Brodziak>kinda yes.. "Realtek PCI-Mini (numbers)"
18:23<ml|>well you should see something then
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18:24<Brodziak>i see nothing at all
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18:25<ml|>sure it's not a usb device?
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18:25<Brodziak>omg, cant login now... what happen? :(
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18:28<Brodziak>solved login issue, but i dont know what to do with wifi card
18:28<ml|>dunno about that, but read the wiki page on wifi, until someone here can help with your wifi issue
18:28<adb>Brodziak, just put here your "numbers" from > "Realtek PCI-Mini (numbers)"..
18:28<ml|>the pciid would help
18:29<Brodziak>if i would know those numbers... i would put it instead of (numbers)
18:30<adb>lspci -nn | grep Wi < try that , too
18:32<ml|>nether seem Wi* in there, but worth a try
18:33<lustiger>Brodziak: i'm sure ml| would be happy to review the output of 'lspci -nn', without the grep
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18:33<ml|>sure, use a pastebin tho!
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18:35<Brodziak>its "Realtek RTL8180L
18:35<Brodziak>so now we know those (numbers)
18:35<dpkg>[rtl-wifi] the Realtek Linux 802.11b/g WLAN drivers, included in mainline Linux kernels. Supports the RTL8180, RTL8185, RTL8187 and RTL8187B (as of Linux 2.6.27) chipsets. Drivers do not require firmware from userspace. See for more information. For support of RTL8187SE, ask me about <rtl8187se>. For support of 802.11n devices, ask me about <rtl8192e>, <rtl8192su>, <rtl8191se>, <rtl8192se>.
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18:36<Brodziak>hmm.. so what now?
18:37<adb>Brodziak, so now you know what to do ..
18:37<ml|>read that wiki page...
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18:38*adb tho ml| is our spoon_feed nourse ;)
18:38<ml|>tho, I wonder why it does not show in lspci
18:38<ml|>adb: heh
18:38<sykotic>lol yeah I have an RTL8187B
18:39<sykotic>Backport kernels are your friend
18:39<ml|>his version is different tho
18:39<ml|>but yeah does help, when needed :)
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18:40<ml|>seems he does need a bpo kernel
18:40<sykotic>2.6.30 worked for me
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18:41<ml|>sykotic: so that did not work in 2.6.26 lenny's kernel?
18:41<Brodziak>whata... i cant install wireless tools
18:41<gsimmons>ml|: No, RTL8180L (802.11b) are supported by rtl8180 in Linux 2.6.26.
18:41<Brodziak>ideas why?
18:41<sykotic>Not my rtl8187b
18:41<ml|>gsimmons: yes after said I noticed
18:42<sykotic>I had to get bpo 2.6.30
18:42<ml|>why I asked sykotic why he needed to use a bpo kernel
18:42<sykotic>Because rtl8187b wasn't supported until 2.6.27
18:42<sykotic>which wasn't in lenny at the time
18:42<sykotic>so I got bpo 2.6.30
18:43<Brodziak>any ideas on my question?
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18:44<ml|>ah, got confused for a sec there :)
18:44<adb>Brodziak, all last comments is for your question ...
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18:45<Brodziak>so you mean my card is not supported? (dunno exacly)
18:45<ml|>gsimmons: so is that factiod wrong? since it says as of ...
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18:46<gsimmons>ml|: No, it's still fine. Sorry, didn't realise sykotic was interjecting with RTL8187B.
18:47<sykotic>Yeah, I'm a dick like that. lol
18:47<ml|>ok, I just got confused, I think I get it now
18:48<ml|>fwiw .. < ml|> his version is different tho
18:48<sykotic>Well the chipset is supported
18:48<sykotic>although the support might not be enabled by the kernel... but it should show up in lspci
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18:49<ml|>I still wonder it does not show up for him
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18:50<sykotic>Assuming he got rtl8180l from output on his screen, it should be installed properly (physically I mean)
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18:51<Brodziak>it was
18:51<Brodziak>yesterday it was running on win$h...
18:52<sykotic>Irrelevant to it working with linux, though.
18:53<sykotic>Except that you know it works.
18:53<ml|>Brodziak: like we said before read those wiki pages
18:54<Brodziak>i did
18:54<Brodziak>tell me, it is possible to plug a pendrive?
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18:54<Brodziak>and install package with wireless tools?
18:54<Brodziak>.deb ofc
18:55<ml|>why can't you just install that?
18:56<Brodziak>i tried but no chance, dunno why
18:56<Brodziak>tried "$ su
18:56<Brodziak># aptitude update && aptitude install wireless-tools"
18:57<Brodziak>(after su i entered root password)
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18:58<sykotic>What does it say?
18:58<ml|>do you have a working connection on that machine?
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18:59<Brodziak>after that i get "0 package updated, 0 installed, 0 to delete and 0 non updated"
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19:00<Brodziak>maybe its caused by the packages that are not in my debian?
19:00<ml|>perhaps pastebin your sources.list
19:01<gsimmons>Brodziak: Does "dpkg -l wireless-tools | tail -1 | grep ^ii" return any output?
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19:01<ml|>yeah, might be installed, duh
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19:03<sykotic>Still should have said something like "wireless-tools: Newest version already installed"
19:03<Brodziak>ii wireless-tools 29-1.1 Tools for manipulating Linux Wireless Extensions
19:03<ml|>maybe he overlooked that tho
19:03<Brodziak>its what it said
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19:04<gsimmons>Brodziak: So it's there already. Continue with the rest of the procedure.
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19:04<ml|>Brodziak: for the future read what aptitude tells you
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19:06<linux-fox>aptitude is better than apt-get ?
19:06<sykotic>Different, not better
19:07<ml|>dpkg: aptitude
19:07<dpkg>from memory, aptitude is a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> or see
19:07<ml|>dpkg: why aptitude
19:07<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>).
19:07<sykotic>dpkg: why not aptitude
19:07<dpkg>Many never use the curses-based frontend but it is still in the binary, and it is more memory intensive and slower than apt-get. Now that many features of aptitude are also in libapt and used by apt-get as well, the differences between the two have reduced. Aptitude is still the easiest way of working your way out of tight spots when running sid or upgrading between releases, however. Ask me about <why aptitude>.
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19:08<sney>sykotic: you can also /msg dpkg for more factiods
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19:10<Brodziak>"no such package"
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19:13<ml|>what are you trying to do?
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19:14<Brodziak>"aptitude install network-manager-gnome"
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19:15<sney>aptitude search network-manager
19:15<sney>it's probably just a different name.
19:16<ml|>judd versions network-manager-gnome
19:16<judd>network-manager-gnome -- etch: 0.6.4-6; etch-security: 0.6.4-6+etch1; lenny: 0.6.6-4; lenny-security: 0.6.6-4+lenny1; lenny-backports: 0.7.2-2~bpo50+1; sid: 0.8-1; squeeze: 0.8-1
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19:16<sney>,versions network-manager OI ML LET A MAN TYPE
19:16<judd>(versions <pattern> [--arch <i386>] [--release <lenny>]) -- Show the available versions of a package in the optionally specified release and for the given architecture. All current releases and i386 are searched by default. By default, binary packages are searched; prefix the packagename with "src:" to search source packages.
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19:16<ml|>didn't know that was a package
19:16<gsimmons>Brodziak: It isn't provided on 5.0.4 i386 CD1. Use the wpa_supplicant procedure instead.
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19:17<sney>ahh, cd1 guy with no network. /me nods sagely
19:17<sney>network manager is a kludge anyway.
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19:17<ml|>as many have said
19:18<Brodziak>said what?
19:18<ml|>that network-manager sucks
19:18<sykotic>apt-cache search works, too
19:19<Brodziak>so what can i use instead of that, ml?
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19:19<sney>just use text mode until you get networking, then you can install wicd
19:19<ml|>do as gsimmons said and use something else like wicd
19:20<Brodziak>i dont really know commands to make it work
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19:20<sney>it's all documented. wpa_supplicant is annoying but the manual does explain everything
19:21<ml|>that wiki page should explain what you need to do
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19:23<linux-fox>i am going to build my lamp , how can i do it for secure ? use jail ?
19:27<sykotic>So, does apt-get still lobotomize itself when dist-upgrading from lenny to sid?
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19:27<Brodziak>i am installing wpasupplicant
19:28<adb>sykotic, heh 'lenny to sid' ?
19:28<ml|>yeah heh
19:29<sykotic>stable to unstable, whatever
19:29<Sarkofag>linux-fox: are you using apache?
19:29<sykotic>Or do I have to go to testing, then unstable?
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19:30<adb>sykotic, stay on stable
19:30<sykotic>Yeah, but the stable version of pidgin is practically prehistoric
19:30<sykotic>Can't even log into yahoo with it
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19:30<ml|>you should move to one release at a time and understand what you are doing
19:30<adb>sykotic, use pidgin from backports
19:31<adb>sykotic, it's not pidgin fault , that they changed the protocol ..
19:31<sykotic>I'll be damned, when I last looked there wasn't pidgin in backports
19:31<ml|>sykotic: /msg dpkg pidgin yahoo
19:32<sykotic>I know that, adb... but at the time there was no backport
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19:35<sney>it's a bad idea to upgrade everything to sid just for one package. even if there isn't an existing backport you can backport it yourself; /msg dpkg ssb
19:35<linux-fox>sarkofag:i am using apache
19:36<sykotic>well it's not just that one package, just an example
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19:36<Brodziak>its my time to leave you, thanks for help
19:36<sney>another option is to run testing with some packages installed from unstable. unstable is often broken and not recommended for daily use.
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19:37<sykotic>well, I've run sid before, back in the woody days
19:38<sykotic>testing is kind of a catch 22, later versions, but much less updating
19:38<adb>sykotic, backports is older , used even on etch time
19:39<Sarkofag>linux-fox: read the post if you want to secure your server
19:39<sney>testing's updates are very frequent these days, they really only slow down when it gets close to release time
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19:42<sney>and a great advantage to using testing/tum over 100% sid is that testing is supported here while sid is not. if you use sid you're on your own.
19:42<Sarkofag>sykotic: seriously why use sid if you not gonna contribute to some code?
19:43<sney>you don't need to write code to contribute. bug reports are good too.
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19:44<Sarkofag>bug reporting is good but
19:44<Sarkofag>yeah anyway
19:45<ml|>but still using sid is not recommended
19:45<Sarkofag>thats sort of my point, if you are a regular user dont use sid
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19:46<Sarkofag>and then ask why it dosent work
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19:47<ml|>heh, some testing users do the same sometimes
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19:48<prone>anyone know how to change the default location that /cdrom/ points to to make it point to a sd card
19:49<prone>or to usb0
19:49<sykotic>ln -s?
19:49<sykotic>symbolic link
19:50<prone>im a noob
19:50<sykotic>ln -s TARGET /cdrom/
19:50<prone>ln -s usb0 /cdrom/
19:51<prone>like that?
19:51<sykotic>you'd need the leading path to usb0 but I'm not convinced that's a good idea
19:51<sykotic>Why do you need to redirect your cdrom to an sd card?
19:51<prone>i have no cd rom
19:51<prone>it's a netbook
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19:52<prone>when i install stuff it ask for the bedian install /cdrom/
19:52<Sarkofag>why do you need a cdrom?
19:52<prone>no clue
19:52<sykotic>You could just mount an iso
19:52<prone>i want to change cdrom to usb0
19:52<slush>prone: remove the cdrom lines from /etc/apt/sources.list
19:52<prone>cdrom doesnt exsist
19:53<Sarkofag>as slush saiid
19:53<sykotic>mount -t iso9660 /path/to/file.iso /cdrom/ -o loop
19:53<prone>can i replace them with usb0
19:53<prone>so it just points there
19:54<slush>you could
19:54<slush>but to what point
19:54<slush>just use network mirrors
19:54<prone>this is just for the debian cd
19:54<prone>ill test it out
19:54<prone>thnx guys
19:55<slush>if you done with the install, you can use the network mirrors to install other stuff
19:55<sykotic>The easiest thing though I think is mounting the iso with mount
19:55<slush>as long as your network is working of cource
19:55<prone>i was trrying to install network manager
19:55<prone>and it asked to remove google chrome i guess it didnt install correctly
19:55<prone>then it asked for the cd
19:56<slush>well that's because of the cdrom lines in sources.list
19:56<prone>i get it now
19:56<prone>is there a graphical editor in squeeze
19:57<linux-fox>Sarkofag: thank you
19:57<Sarkofag>linux-fox: np
19:57<sney>text editor? there are lots, gedit, leafpad, mousepad, tons of others
19:57<Sarkofag>tell me if you have any questions
19:57<prone>all i know how to use is nano
19:57<prone>im looking for something easier
19:58<slush>prone: that's something you need to discover yourself
19:58<prone>haha ok
19:58<slush>it's your taste and your needs, we can't tell you wich one suits you best
19:58<slush>too many choices
19:58<Sarkofag>prone: I think nano is a good editor to use
19:59<ml|>!start an editor war
19:59<dpkg>joe bites!
19:59<prone>ok ill keep using it then
19:59<slush>ml|: hmm, pie
19:59<sykotic>I wouldn't start off with vi though lol
19:59<Sarkofag>prone: google on nano and learn about the editor, its a basic editor you can stard with
20:00<ml|>vi/vim once you get used too is great, vimtutor helps at first
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20:00<Sarkofag>vi/vim is the best but also the most hardcore
20:01<sykotic>yeah, but man, I don't have the patience to rtfm on a damn text editor lol
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20:01<Sarkofag>then use nano
20:01<ml|>heh, oh well too each it's own
20:01<Sarkofag>get to know vi/vim and you are king
20:01<Sarkofag>king of the userland
20:01<sykotic>lol kedit works just fine for me
20:02<Sarkofag>lol @ graphical environment
20:02<sney>I used to know a guy who carried a rescue floppy everywhere that had only a kernel and init=vi
20:03<sykotic>nano is usually all I need for cli
20:03<Sarkofag>he was 1337 so to say
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20:03<sykotic>Or... a masochist.
20:03<sykotic>Either way.
20:03<sney>old school sendmail admin with a unix beard
20:03<Sarkofag>i'm saving for my unix beard
20:04<sykotic>With mountain dew stains on his tshirt and twinkie crumbs in his beard.
20:04<Sarkofag>but at weekens I always use my trimmer
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20:06<Sarkofag>sykotic: I think unix beard is the way to go if you dont want to go home with a girl
20:06<Sarkofag>but its quite nice
20:06<sykotic>Well, I like vagina, so...
20:06<sney>or if you're already long maried
20:06<sykotic>If I wanted sex I wouldn't get married.
20:07<sney>my lady would probably leave me if I grew a unix beard.
20:07<sykotic>People would probably try and follow me around in a desert, if I had one.
20:07<Sarkofag>if you dont like sex get maried
20:07<sykotic>Pretty much.
20:07<Sarkofag>sykotic: haha
20:08<Sarkofag>you grow the windows mustach
20:08<sykotic>Or... take them to a psychiatrist first... and make sure they won't try and stab you. THAT one would've been handy to know ahead of time...
20:08<sykotic>Windows Molestache
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20:09<Sarkofag>I think that steve balmer would look nice in a mustasche
20:09<Sarkofag>who will the that mission
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20:18<Sarkofag>so whats happening?
20:20<Sarkofag>debian runs smoothly for eveyone?
20:20<ml|>can someone please pastebin ls -la /media [that has not been modified] and /etc/fstab [cdrom line]
20:21<ml|>Sarkofag: there is #debian-offtopic ;)
20:22<Sarkofag>oh didnt know :D
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20:33<icebrain>sney: hi, I was reading the backlog and I noticed you said to some poor guy he needs to configure wpa_supplicant 'till he has gui, so he can use wicd. Actually, wicd comes with wicd-curses, works as well as the gui version :)
20:36<gsimmons>icebrain: Not really useful as wicd isn't in Lenny, therefore not present on poor guy's CD1.
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20:37<sykotic>lol that's why I prefer the DVD
20:37<icebrain>gsimmons: oh, right, then disregard my comment. I didn't know 'bout that.
20:38<sykotic>It's like 5+ cds
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20:39<icebrain>hi chak82
20:40<chak82>i was migrate my laptop from Windows XP(Sucks) to Ubuntu 910
20:40<chak82>1 hour ago
20:40<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
20:40<chak82>i was asked for my problem in this other channel
20:41<chak82>but anyone views this configuration before
20:41<chak82>actually, its very simple
20:41<sney>sorry, #debian doesn't support ubuntu because we don't use it. Please /server and /join #ubuntu.
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20:54<mlv_zeus>Bonsoir ya qq'un
20:54<mlv_zeus>par ici
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20:54<mlv_zeus>bonsoir fred
20:54<dpkg>Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr
20:55<mlv_zeus>yes french
20:56<mlv_zeus>and u ...?
20:56<handheldCar>bonsoir Je devine vous disaient juste bonjour. désolé
20:56<mlv_zeus>oui je cherche qq'un pour parler
20:57<mlv_zeus>j'espère que je suis le bienvenus
20:57<mlv_zeus>dans ce salon
20:57<cdlu>il y en a ben de monde a parle ici, mais en anglais et a propos de debian :)
20:57<mlv_zeus>je ve parler a propos de debian
20:57<mlv_zeus>mais l'anglais c pas trop mon fort
20:57<mlv_zeus>c pour celà
20:57<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
20:57<mlv_zeus>que j'ai commancer par un Bonsoir
20:57<mlv_zeus>ok merci les mec
20:58<mlv_zeus>c jentil
20:58<cdlu>we aim to please
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20:58<mlv_zeus>bonne soirée
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20:59<adb> was a short spam in ... french ...
21:00<adb>handheldCar, quoi ? pas vrais ?
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21:00<adb> vrai*
21:01<Sarkofag>Voulez vous coucher avec moi ce soir
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21:02<handheldCar>pas trop vrai mais proche
21:03<Sarkofag>this is english only
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21:37<Dreakon>Hey everyone, it seems the official Wine repo and the Debian Testing repo both don't have Wine 1.1.43 (the latest release). Is there any way to get it other than building from the source myself?
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21:40<Sarkofag>Dreakon: download and compile from source, it might be some easyer way
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21:41<Dreakon>Sarkofag, I'm not entirely sure how to do that. There was a guy here who had a .deb file for it that helped me out before. I forgot to save it though and I need it again lol. :(
21:43<Dreakon>I'm still kinda new to Debian and linux in general.
21:44<Sarkofag>ok so witch version do you have now? type dpkg -l | grep wine
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21:46<Dreakon>I don't have wine installed currently.
21:47<Sarkofag>why don't you install wine with 'atp-get install wine'
21:48<Dreakon>Because the Debian Testing repo's have some really old 1.0.1 version, and the official Wine repo's stopped at 1.1.41 and havent been updated in a while.
21:48<Dreakon>I'm looking for 1.1.43.
21:49<Sarkofag>ok then go to
21:49<Sarkofag>you will find debian packages there
21:51<Dreakon>handheldCar, is there anywhere to find a prebuilt .deb file for that? I'm pretty new and I'm not sure how to build or compile...
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21:51<Dreakon>Sarkofag, yeah, but those debian packages haven't been updated since 1.1.41.
21:53<Dreakon>Heh, thanks guys. I think I found what I was looking for anyways. :P
21:53<Dreakon>handheldCar, thats wine_1.1.41, I was looking for 1.1.43
21:53<Dreakon>Thanks though. :)
21:56<Dreakon>Nevermind, what I found didn't work. lol
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22:04<handheldCar>43 is development. u sure u want that?
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22:23<rudi_s>handheldCar: No, it was released some days ago.
22:23<rudi_s>Oh, he left ..
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23:02<max__>Hi, this channel is for english only ?
23:03<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
23:03<max__>ty . . .do you know some chan. in Spanish language ?
23:03<sney>de nada :)
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23:10<max__>no answer in Spanish channel :-(
23:10<max__>I will try to post question here
23:10<ghyslaine>I just installed Debian lenny with Xfce on a newly bought, second hand machine. It works fine, but the display is not fine, the monitor is an LG, with 1360*768 resolution
23:10<sney>max__: hmm, maybe #debian-ar is awake
23:11<max__>ok, ty again
23:11<ghyslaine>I guess I need to modify xorg.conf, but I don't know how to: any idea?
23:11<sney>ghyslaine: details?
23:11<sney>what'd you expect it to do, and what did it do instead?
23:11<ghyslaine>sney: the display is incomplete, the right end of the screen is invisible
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23:12<ghyslaine>I have a display of 1280*768, but I need to get 1360*768
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23:15<sney>ghyslaine: you'd need to set a custom modeline, for instructions /msg dpkg modeline
23:15<ghyslaine>my current xorg.conf :
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23:16<ghyslaine>sney, can you explain more, I don't know what you mean?
23:17<sney>dpkg is our irc bot, he has a lot of information
23:17<dpkg>sney: i don't know
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23:17<sney>but I just looked at what he had for modes and it's pretty outdated, so I'll just see if there's a better way to fix it
23:19<sney>ghyslaine: first, do you know what video chip it uses? I'm guessing this is a laptop?
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23:19<ghyslaine>it is a desktop, hp xw4300 workstation
23:20<ghyslaine>the monitor is LG Flatron w1943TB
23:20<sney>and it's really 1360x768? weird
23:20<sney>ohh that's a widescreen resolution
23:21<ghyslaine>yep, it's a fairly wide screen
23:21<sney>anyway, I revised your xorg.conf, try it with those changes.
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23:24<handheldCar>!pizza @ sney
23:25<ghyslaine>I'll try that....rebooting X....
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23:25<max__>I have no option to boot win xp in grub, that OS don't appear
23:26<handheldCar>!beet @ sney
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23:26*handheldCar gives up
23:26<ghyslaine>sney: no change
23:26<max__>how can I fix that ?
23:26<Lanz>Run update-grub
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23:27<ghyslaine>sney: would a switch to squeeze have a chance to help my case?
23:27<max__>where? I'm new in linux
23:27<sney>ghyslaine: probably not
23:28<sney>what graphics card does it have?
23:28<ghyslaine>how do I find out on command line?
23:28<sney>lspci |grep -i vga
23:29<ghyslaine>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV43GL [Quadro FX 540] (rev a2)
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23:30<sney>you probably need to install the nvidia drivers, don't worry, it's pretty easy. I'm just going to check something
23:31<franki^>max__: Open up a terminal, log in as root, and type "update-grub". If you have problems with any of these steps I'd advise asking Google.
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23:35<sney>ghyslaine: ok, looks like the nvidia drivers in lenny do support your quadro. follow the instructions here
23:35<sney>if there's anything you don't understand, feel free to ask
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23:36<ghyslaine>sney: thanks
23:36<max__>how can I change display res. Debian just let me 640x480 & 800x600 . . . and I need 1024x768
23:37<ghyslaine>sney: apt-get can't find nvidia-kernel-common, maybe I don't have the right repos in my sources.list
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23:38<Kumul>you dont need that much, 800x600 is fine!
23:38<sney>ghyslaine: weird, paste your sources.list
23:39<max__>yes, I need 1024 . . .almost all web pages are in 1024
23:39<sney>max__: google 'xorg.conf resolution'
23:40<max__>ty . . . & what about win xp in grub ?
23:41<max__>win xp don't appear in grub
23:42<sney>ghyslaine: add contrib non-free to the end of the yorku lines
23:42<sney>then update and try again
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23:45<sney>max__: if you do 'apt-cache policy grub' what does it say for Installed?
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23:46<max__>ooppsss . . .new words to me :) . . . I'm new in linux and changing from win to linux
23:46<sney>ok, run the command 'apt-cache policy grub' in your terminal
23:46<ml|>os-prober is nice for grub-pc users
23:46<sney>ml|: indeed, but I'm trying to see which he's got
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23:49<max__> Instalados: 0.97-47lenny2
23:49<max__> Candidato: 0.97-47lenny2
23:49<max__> Tabla de versión:
23:49<max__> *** 0.97-47lenny2 0
23:49<max__> 500 cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.4 _Lenny_ - Official i386 CD Binary-1 20100131-18:53] lenny/main Packages
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23:53<sney>max__: google menu.lst windows xp
23:53<max__>sney: installed: 0.97-47lenny2
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23:53<sney>yeah max__ I saw :)
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23:54<sney>grub gets its settings from the text file /boot/grub/menu.lst, so you just need to add some lines for Windows. there is help all over the internet
23:54<max__>ok, I will try to find that ;-)
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