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00:11<centyx>what package provides 'strings'?
00:11<centyx>opticon: thanks
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00:11<dpkg>methinks as is autosearch: install apt-file and use apt-cache search <packagename> and/or apt-file search <name> , do it yourself . Don't forget to run apt-file update ;)
00:12<centyx>adb: thanks
00:13<ml|>apt-file is a great tool
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00:13<centyx>yes, i see
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00:14<ml|>apt-file -l search strings ; should do
00:14<centyx>already got it
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00:15<centyx>surprised i didn't have binutils on here, but i guess i haven't needed to compile anything on this box yet
00:16<ml|>build-essential package to compile stuff
00:16<centyx>i know
00:16<centyx>thanks tho
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00:40<kuarq>test... proverochka...
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01:08<dserban_>hrrm, I'm running squeeze and a package is not installable due to it having a bug. The bug is fixed, but I can't wait the 8 days to install it. Can I install it from the unstable source, pin it and then if/when squeeze has a newer version, install it?
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01:09*Coburn is away: auto-away
01:13<sney>dserban_: yep, testing-unstable mix
01:14<dserban_>but as I understand it, won't pinning a package keep it at a certain version forever? I'm afraid I'll forget :)
01:14<jm_>you don't need pinning ...
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01:16<dserban_>aptitude -t unstable package will do the right thing?
01:17<dserban_>my apologies for the noob question, I've always simply ran sid.
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02:00<Balram>could anybody tell me what is path of screen shot of debian lenny installation process?
02:00<Balram>while installation of Debian lenny i have taken screenshots of some steps but unfortunately i dont remember the path of those screenshot
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02:02<gsimmons>Balram: Assuming you completed the installation, they're in /var/log/installer/
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02:03<abzal>hi. is there analogue of fbcondecor in lenny/squeeze?
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02:07<Supaplex>crap. I'm out of inodes
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02:20<xio>ay alguien
02:22<xio>adios me boy a mesenegr de berda pork aki nn sbl a nadieeeeeeeeeeeeee
02:23<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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02:23<xio>ola dijeron algoooo
02:24<Coburn>!spam xio
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02:24<Coburn>!op xio
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02:24<xio>ola k alguien em able pliwsss
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02:24<xio>a todoss
02:24<xio>k aceis?
02:25<sney>!es-social xio
02:25<dpkg>xio: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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02:25<xio>yo aki esperando enytrar a el colegio
02:25<xio>en spaniii
02:25<sney>!ops xio
02:25<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: sney complains about: xio
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02:25<sney>fyi, Coburn ^
02:25<mjt>he's too young to listen
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02:26<Coburn>sney: thanks
02:26<jm_>and too spanish
02:26<xio>en español
02:26<sney>xio: cuantos años tienes?
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02:26<xio>ablame en spanu porfavor
02:27<sney>este cuarto es para adultos solamente
02:27<xio>aa y pork esta en elortatil del colegio?
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02:28<Coburn>Salga de spam o de lo contrario le ban del canal. Esto no es un pa?s libre para todos patio de recreo, ir a reunirse en lugar de chat #. Usted ha sido advertido.
02:28<xio>pork esta en el portatil del colegioo?
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02:28<Coburn>!ops xio dumbass retard
02:28<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: coburn complains about: xio dumbass retard
02:28<Coburn>sney: Hehe
02:28<xio>pork esto sale e n el ordenador del colegiooo
02:28<xio>me voy
02:29<sney>adios, xio.
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02:29<xio>una pregunta sney
02:29<sney>no preguntas, estoy dormiendo
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02:29<xio>pork sale e n el portatil del colegio este chat?¿?
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02:30<xio>kien tiene 11 añossssssssssSSSS?
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02:30<xio>mira adiosss soys unos savorioss se lo dire al directorr
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02:31<sney>xio: este es IRC, un método de chat muy viejo, y en IRC hay muchas servidores y muchas canales (cuartos).
02:31<xio>aa ok y pork solo es para mañores?
02:31<sney>este es solamente el primer que has probado
02:32<xio>y pork es para mayoresss?
02:32<sney>porque es de cosas complejas
02:32<xio> como k?
02:33<xio>pero si es de mayores pork esta en el portatil del colegio?
02:33<Coburn>xio: Abre un terminal, y hacer esto: "sudo poweroff" ya continuaci?n, escriba su contrase?a y pulse la tecla Intro. Su problema ser? resuelto.
02:33<sney>porque es. por que es el cielo azul? por que es que?
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02:33<xio>una ultima preguntaaa
02:33<sney>xio, tu portatil puede conectar a muchas servidores de IRC. por favor, prueba o otro mas adecuado
02:34<xio>porque esta aplicacion de mesenegr essta en el portatil del cole si e spara mayoressssssssssssssssssssss
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02:34<xio>mira aadiosssssss
02:34<sney>no se, preguntalo a tu escuela
02:35<xio>luego me conecto y me espplicass
02:35<sney>adios, xio
02:35<xio>puew si esta en el portatil de mi escuela eso significa k tengo der3cho a entyrara aqui
02:35<xio>aink azta aoraaa
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02:36<Coburn>The n00b is dead
02:36<sney>I always forget how good my spanish is until one of those guys shows up and won't leave
02:36<mjt>don't kill children!
02:37<Supaplex>just their will to annoy
02:38<sney>his main question was, why is there a channel like this on his school computer?
02:38*Supaplex yawns - zzZzz tyme here I come.
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02:39<sney>the real answer - because ubuntu left the "Debian Servers" entry at the top of the list in xchat - is too complex, I fear, so I told him to ask his school.
02:39<Supaplex>hahaha. nice.
02:40<Supaplex>true bofh style. >:)
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02:42<l_heilig>guck mal rechts
02:42<fasolek>na was geht
02:42<fasolek>ja echt
02:42<fasolek>voll das opfer
02:42<l_heilig>wer der -.-....
02:43<fasolek>ein ich mein den dem das heft gehört
02:43<fasolek>und marco
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02:43<l_heilig>wem gehört das heft???
02:43<l_heilig>Marco auf jeden fall
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02:43<t_blesge>hallo wo seid ihr?
02:43<fasolek>na stinker
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02:44<l_heilig>fqerhgqer8gv9pn refhguierof
02:44<fasolek>kal lasrs
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02:44<fasolek>kla lars
02:44<l_heilig>klasdnbioahbü wqio qiogh qdf phu hfp fhcnowe fhoüpthtqg
02:45<t_blesge_>v zusdg
02:45<l_heilig>koübbgr iwerübgn eübg qüh
02:45<l_heilig>qeirgpierq erpgjiqergj
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02:45<jm_>self elimination at its best
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02:46<fasolek>na mischa
02:46<mjt>is it a kids day today or what?
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02:47<Mischelmann>is hier wer??
02:47<fasolek>olga ist hier
02:47<Mischelmann>ach hallo
02:47<Coburn>testing something
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02:47<Coburn>where can I find debian?
02:47<Mischelmann>da sind wir doch oder???
02:47<Coburn>C'mon dpkg
02:47<fasolek>west cost
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02:48<fasolek>east cost homies
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02:49<Mischelmann>fuck you bitsch
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03:00<miguel000>LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-
03:00<miguel000>My java seems to be broken AFTER installing flash, i think
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03:01<miguel000>and idea how I can fix this?
03:01<miguel000>un poco
03:01<miguel000>hola karmic
03:02<karmic>sabes donde puedo encontrar el archivo sshd_config de ssh ?
03:02<miguel000>loading tha java plugin says: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32]
03:02<karmic>lo cambie hace un tiempo y ahora no puedo conectarme a un servidor con clave publica
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03:02<miguel000>sorry, but my spanish is almost as bad as my linux skills
03:02<jm_>miguel000: where did you get this java package?
03:03<miguel000>jm_ I cant remember, it was already here, OR i installed it with aptitude
03:03<jm_>miguel000: what does 'file /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-' say?
03:03<karmic>i need the original file sshd_config
03:03<jm_>karmic: did you delete it?
03:04<karmic>i changed it
03:04<miguel000>bash: /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun- No such file or directory
03:04<jm_>in that case reinstalling the sshd package will ask what to do with it
03:04<miguel000>of course
03:04<karmic>now i cant concet to a server with public key
03:04<miguel000>ah sorry
03:04<miguel000>missed the file
03:04<karmic>i need the original file
03:05<miguel000>/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun- ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, stripped
03:05<jm_>miguel000: and your browser, which is it?
03:05<karmic>or helpme to configure it
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03:05<miguel000>its iceweasel
03:05<miguel000>and I could swear it already worked once upon a time
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03:06<miguel000> LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun- [/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun- wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32]
03:06<miguel000>thats the complete ERROR message
03:06<jm_>ok find out what file says for it, should be a symlink like /usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin
03:07<miguel000>what file says for THIS symlink?
03:07<miguel000>/usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin: symbolic link to `../xulrunner-1.9/xulrunner-stub'
03:08<karmic>jm_ some idea?
03:08<jm_>for the file symlink points to, so file /usr/lib//xulrunner-1.9/xulrunner-stub
03:08<jm_>karmic: just what I already said
03:08<miguel000>/usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9/xulrunner-stub: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, stripped
03:08<jm_>right, so your problem is you're trying to use a 32bit plugin with 64bit binary
03:08<miguel000>but I invoke iceweasel via: icewasel &
03:09<karmic>is all that for my sshd_config bad file?
03:09<miguel000>no sorry, kardan_
03:09<miguel000>s/kardan_/karmic :)
03:10<miguel000>thank you jm_
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03:10<karmic>i dont understanding
03:10<jm_>miguel000: what does dpkg -S /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun- say?
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03:11<jm_>karmic: <jm_> in that case reinstalling the sshd package will ask what to do with it
03:11<karmic>im all ready madeit
03:11<miguel000>sun-java6-bin: /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-
03:11<karmic>o no
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03:12<karmic>i reinstall the ssh
03:12<karmic>not the sshd
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03:12<karmic>ill try
03:12<jm_>karmic: use dpkg to find out which package to reinstall
03:13<karmic>can i use the synaptic packets manager?
03:13<jm_>I doubt it has this feature
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03:14<jm_>miguel000: I checked and sun-java6-bin_6-12-1_amd64.deb has a 64bit file in this location so who knows what you managed to screw up
03:14<karmic>Disabling protocol version 1. Could not load host key
03:14<karmic> * Restarting OpenBSD Secure Shell server sshd Disabling protocol version 1. Could not load host key
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03:15<sney>karmic: maybe - dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server
03:15<jm_>you should not use ssh version 1 anyway, so that's a good thing
03:15<varun>hello everyone
03:16<MeglaW_>hitlers birthday today. 420!
03:16<varun>can anybody tell me where the buddylist is stored the system for pidgin
03:16<miguel000>it seems its provided by sun-java6-bin so REINSTALLING it might help, right?
03:16<karmic>i stoped the service ssh
03:16<karmic>and then reinstall it
03:16<karmic>its works ok
03:17<karmic>now i need to see if i can connect my self to a server with public key
03:17<karmic>do i have to re add the public key?
03:17<miguel000>ill do aptitude remove, and aptitude install, hope thats a valid approach to reinstall a package
03:19<miguel000>does aptitude search ~b should show me ALL broken packages?
03:19<mjt>aptitude reinstall sun-java6-bin
03:19<miguel000>whatver broken exactly means
03:19<karmic>connect to host @xxxxx port 22 Connection refused
03:20<mjt>miguel000: "broken" in this context means aptitude _knows_ it is brkoen, for example if some package which is marked as dependency for a given package is not installed.
03:20<mjt>miguel000: if you mess up with the package files, aptitude wont know it's broken
03:20<miguel000>soo. aptitude search ~b does not show anything
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03:21<miguel000>when I tried aptitude remove sun-java6-bin: it told me that -jre and -plugin are broken
03:21<miguel000>or did it mean, that they WILL be broken, when i remove it
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03:22<miguel000>ok Im reinstalling the -jre now
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03:22<karmic>anybody knows where do i have to put the public key, and if is necesary to change the sshd_config file?
03:23<miguel000>karmic: I have a .ssh/known_hosts
03:23<karmic>couse im allready reinstall the sshd
03:23<gsimmons>varun: ~/.purple/blist.xml
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03:24<karmic>ok but in that file yo have to put the adress of where you have that key?
03:24<miguel000>karmic: you want to connect to a server with ssh ?
03:24<karmic>im trying to
03:24<miguel000>so when you do ssh servername -p port what happenes?
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03:25<karmic> connect to host @xxxxx port 22 Connection refused
03:25<mjt>which port/
03:26<miguel000>maybe you need to provide a user name with -l karmic
03:27<miguel000>ssh servername -p port -l karmic for instance?
03:27<miguel000>what server are you trying to connect to?
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03:28<karmic>ssh -pxxxx -D xx abc@xxxx.yyy
03:29<miguel000>what is the -D ?
03:29<miguel000>I doubt you need that to simply connect
03:30<miguel000>should be more like : ssh -l karmic
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03:31<miguel000>where is the server you want to connenct to , and karmic is the name you want to login wiht
03:31<karmic>conection refused
03:31<miguel000>what server are you trying to connect to?
03:31<karmic>can be that the port 22 is closed?
03:32<karmic>one of a friend
03:32<karmic>how can i know if port 22 is open?
03:32<miguel000>so maybe he is running it on another port
03:32<karmic>with nmap localhost?
03:33<miguel000>like : ssh -l karmic -p 2222
03:33<miguel000>where 2222 is the port number
03:33<karmic>is the same
03:34<miguel000>and you are using the correct: servername, port AND loginname?
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03:34<karmic>i think is that my 22 port is closed
03:34<mjt>ask your friend if he's running sshd and if sshd is running on a non-standard port
03:35<miguel000>yeah you have to ask your friend
03:35<karmic>im allrady talk to him
03:35<mjt>if standard port (22) is not listening, you can ask or try to find
03:35<karmic>the port 22 is ok
03:35<karmic>open and ssh
03:35<mjt>how it's "ok" if it refuses connections?
03:35<miguel000>maybe his server is down
03:36<miguel000>can you ping the server?
03:36<miguel000>ping yor-friends-server-name
03:36<mjt>if he were unable to ping, he weren't seeing "connection refused"
03:36<mjt>or if the server were down
03:36<mjt>the server is _answering_ with "no one listening on this port"
03:36<miguel000>great, reinstalling sun-java6-bin fixed all my problems, however i still wonder how it could happen that this file was 32bit...
03:36<mjt>(that's what "connection refused" means)
03:37<miguel000>mjt: ah ok
03:37<karmic>i gave me a public key
03:37<mjt>you, to yourself? :)
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03:37<karmic>he my friend to me
03:38<karmic>and i copy it to /.ssh
03:38<jm_>miguel000: so in the future stop doing crazy things to your system
03:38<miguel000>I just can't , its to addictive ;)
03:39<miguel000>but thanks a lot for helping me out
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03:39<karmic>so where should be the public key copied?
03:39<jm_>then at least warn #debian - please note that I sometimes do crazy things
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03:40<mjt>what crazy things?
03:40<karmic>any idea?
03:41<mjt>karmic: are you letting your friend to log in to your machine?
03:41<miguel000>yah, my java library changed to 32bit for some reason
03:41<mjt>karmic: no idea unless you tell us what you WANT to do
03:41<karmic>connect to a server
03:41<miguel000>mjt: he wants just to login to his friends server
03:41<mjt>karmic: the ssh public key is needed to let the key owner to log in
03:41<miguel000>but it refuses connection
03:42<mjt>miguel000: it has _nothing_ to do with keys
03:42<miguel000>why me?
03:42<mjt>you can't try different keys for the keylock if there's no _door_
03:42<miguel000>I didn't say any single word about keys...
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03:42<mjt>miguel000: you said "he wants" above.
03:43<miguel000>yes, he wants to LOGIN
03:43<mjt>ok i've got it
03:43<karmic>yes i think that can be an error in the carpet thar i have the public key that he gave to me
03:43<karmic>i have it in /.ssh
03:43<miguel000>but correct me if Im wrong, do i not only connect to the server and then can ACCEPT a key
03:44<miguel000>that proves its the proper one
03:44<mjt>and the public key is like a photo that you show to your guard and tell: please let this person to come in
03:44<jm_>miguel000: there are several keys involved - host key, user's key so make sure you let people know which key you are asking about
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03:44<karmic>i used the add command
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03:45<mjt>which add command?
03:45<karmic>ssh-add public key
03:45<mjt>it can't add a public key
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03:45<miguel000>ok, i never used user keys so far
03:45<mjt>it works with private keys only
03:45<miguel000>I suppose his friend gave him the "host key"
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03:45<jm_>he should really give him the fingerprint only to verify it ...
03:46<mjt>a private key is a mask you wear when coming near the foreign guard, so he will be able to match the photos he has (the public keys) ;)
03:46<miguel000>so he can verify he is connecting to the proper server, if the mechanism works like that, as i suppose
03:46<karmic>private key
03:46<miguel000>ah ok, i meant "fingerprint"
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03:46<karmic>i have the private key
03:46<mjt>hm. I think it's quite a good approximation of public/private key cripto ;)
03:47<jm_>I sincerely hope he didn't give you host's private key
03:47<mjt>crypto even, in ssh terms anyway :)
03:47<miguel000>mjt: but I do not get your guard paradigm frankly
03:47<miguel000>with the mask
03:47<karmic>so where do i have to put the goddem key
03:48<mjt>which key?
03:48<jm_>karmic: it's *NOT* going to help you with connection refused error
03:48<jm_>!connection refused
03:48<dpkg>When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running on the specified IP address at all (e.g. apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things.
03:48<miguel000>the conenction can be refused for several reasons
03:48<mjt>< mjt> you can't try different keys for the keylock if there's no _door_
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03:49<karmic>but he gave me this key this afternoon
03:49<mjt>karmic: find the door first, and NEXT try the keys
03:50<mjt>all keys without the door are useless.
03:50<miguel000>based on what does the firewall reject "SYN?" packets?
03:50<mjt>miguel000: yes
03:50<miguel000>like your IP adress or something?
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03:50<mjt>miguel000: IF (and it's a big if) it is a firewall
03:50<jm_>miguel000: based on any matchers that iptables supports for example
03:51<mjt>we're back at the beginning: ask your friend if the ssh service is running and where
03:51<miguel000>so karmic : you need the port and if the server is up
03:51<karmic>can anything be blocking 22 port?
03:51<miguel000>and if he is blocking you with his firewall
03:51*mjt gives u
03:51*jm_ gives up too
03:51<mjt>we're running in circles
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03:53<miguel000>only silence
03:53<miguel000>did you ask him?
03:53<the-dude>ssh can reject connections as well
03:53<karmic>do i have to call my friedn?
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03:53<jm_>the-dude: in that case it won't be connection refused
03:53<mjt>the-dude: in that case the server wont reply with connrefused
03:53<the-dude>jm_: what does it say then?
03:53<miguel000>karmic: you can also guess the ports
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03:54<miguel000>karmic, : but its easier just to ask him
03:54<tuxcrafter>hi all
03:54<jm_>the-dude: connection closed by remote host
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03:55<karmic>sorry im newbe
03:55<mjt>the-dude: note it establishes the connection, and next the connection gets closed. In our case the connection itself can't be established (refused)
03:55<the-dude>jm_: ah ok :)
03:55<miguel000>karmic: me too, but ask your friend about the data you need to connect to his server
03:55<tuxcrafter>is there a way to run a cron job manually without changing the time fiels of the cron table
03:55<tuxcrafter>but i want cron to execute the command (email function)
03:56<karmic>but let me see
03:56<mjt>tuxcrafter: no, but you can run it from the terminal just fine
03:57<karmic>ok he is allready sleeping
03:58<miguel000>so maybe you can go to sleep to, or scan the ports for services
03:58<miguel000>however I dont know how yet
03:58<karmic>he gaveme the private key and i copy it in /.ssh
03:58<miguel000>karmic ; but thats not of any interest at this point
03:59<mjt>never, ever, give your private keys to anyone
03:59<miguel000>what is the name of his server?
03:59<miguel000>karmic: yes
03:59<tuxcrafter>mjt: how exactly can i run /var/spool/cron/crontabs/root from the terminal?
03:59<miguel000>karmic: what is the name of his server?
04:00<mjt>tuxcrafter: you copy that file to a temp place, edit it by removing all the cron-specific stuff, and run it with your shell ;)
04:00<jm_>tuxcrafter: not that, the command mentioned in there
04:00<mjt>you can pipe its output to mail command too
04:00<mjt>./temp-cron-job | mail root
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04:04<karmic>so the only posible cause is the server?
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04:05<miguel000>karmic: yes
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04:05<tuxcrafter>mjt: jm_: i am using this now screen -S duplicity su -c "nice -n 19 /usr/bin/ssh-duplicity-backup | mail root" root
04:05<karmic>the -p is for my port?
04:05<mjt>wow @tuxcrafter
04:05<tuxcrafter>to bad you cant run a schetuled cron command (with a run now)
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04:06<miguel000>karmic: the -p flag specifies the port that you want ssh to connect to, according to the ssh man page
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04:07<mjt>that's a weird cron job
04:08<mjt>why screen?
04:08<tuxcrafter>well the cron is just 0 22 * * 5 nice -n 19 /usr/bin/ssh-duplicity-backup'
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04:08<mjt>so run just that
04:08<tuxcrafter>i need it to run in background and sent mail
04:08<mjt>setsid sh -c 'nice -n 19 /usr/bin/ssh-duplicity-backup | mail root'
04:08<tuxcrafter>and i did not want to change the cron fields and reload cron everytime
04:09<mjt>setsid sh -c 'nice -n 19 /usr/bin/ssh-duplicity-backup | mail root' </dev/null >/dev/null 2>&1
04:09<mjt>or nohup
04:09<karmic>cant be some bad configuration of my pc or my router?
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04:09<mjt>karmic: very unlikely
04:10<tuxcrafter>mjt: thx
04:10<mjt>usually outgoing connections are allowed. or else you'd not be able to talk to irc servers for example
04:10<karmic>is some external way to know if my 22 port is opened/
04:10<karmic>can the
04:10<miguel000>karmic: the port 22 refers to the port in the server you want to connect to
04:10<karmic>isp close my ports on the router or something?
04:10<miguel000>karmic: it needs to be open THERE
04:11<miguel000>has nothing to do with your port 22
04:11<karmic>and from where do i make the conection in my pc?
04:11<miguel000>the SERVER is refusing the connection on this port as the message says
04:12<karmic>ok but which port im using to out
04:12<mjt>i'm about to ignore karmic and miguel000 ;)
04:12<karmic>why me?
04:12<mjt>guys, how many times it has to be said??
04:12<karmic>no doors no keys?
04:12<mjt>you're saying the same thing again and again and again...
04:13<karmic>im trying to find some other answers
04:13<miguel000>but thats the most obvious one
04:13<mjt>there's only one f**g answer for now
04:13<karmic>in my country somes ISPs blocks somes ports
04:14<mjt>like, you've 99.9% chances for that, and 0.1% chance for all others. It's just impractical to spend all night long (till he awakes) finding that 0.1% ;)
04:14<mjt>many ISPs blocks one or another set of ports
04:14<mjt>but blocking ssh port is useless
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04:16<karmic>Error: I could not see your service on on port (22)
04:16<karmic>Reason: Connection timed out
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04:17<mjt>that's the one karmic
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04:18<mjt>that's something different actually
04:18<mjt>connection timed out != connection refused
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04:20<karmic>i go to and its say that i have other ip
04:20<karmic>than my realone
04:20<karmic>i think it can be my router
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04:24<karmic>i do that in
04:24<mjt>which ip address your machine has?
04:24<mjt>is it 192.168.x.x or 10.x.x.x?
04:25<karmic>first one
04:25<mjt>it's private, given to your by your router
04:25<mjt>no one can connect to your machine outside
04:25<mjt>only to the router
04:25<mjt>if it allows that
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04:25<karmic>and the router can filter some of my pc's ports/
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04:26<mjt>it does not route ANYTHING to your PC, at all
04:27<mjt>192.168.x.x addresses are unroutable on the internet
04:27<StarkD>how do I repeat a search using the info command?
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04:31<StarkD>s Search forward for a specified string and select the node in which the next occurrence is found.
04:31<StarkD>using s again and return seems to do the job
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04:40<StarkD>but n or something vi-like would be better
04:40<camel___>where can I get a /lib/ that has not been stripped?
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04:43<arahimzadeh>hallo Herr Rudin --alle Netzteile kontr.
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04:44<mohsen>سلام بچه ها،میدونید چطور میشه بلوتوث رو تو دبیان راه انداخت ابونتو خیلی راحت بود ولی دبیان اینکار نمی کنه،مجوز می خواد؟
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04:44<arahimzadeh>al salamaleikum achi
04:45<arahimzadeh>Herr Rudin???
04:45<tumenjargal>jaja haru
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04:46<mjt>um, i didn't know my terminal can display arabic "chars"
04:46<karmic>so mjt, my problem is that i cant connect to a wireless network, but if i put an only ip on /etc/networking/interfaces its connect perfect
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04:47<karmic>im using wicsd
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04:49<karmic>so my question is how should i configure the interfaces file to it can connect to any wifi
04:49<karmic>yep wicd
04:49<tumenjargal>you can find google
04:49<mohsen>hi,how can i start my bluetooth service in Debian 5?
04:50<karmic>im allready ATFG
04:50<Prins>omg ._____. my box where I'm gonna install linux on doesn't work apparantly..
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04:51<karmic>or FTFG
04:51<mohsen>how can i start my bluetooth service in Debian 5?
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04:55<karmic>mjt im allready RTFM
04:55<mjt>i have little expirence setting up wifi
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04:56<miguel000>how can I check how much memory an application uses?
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04:56<snogglethorpe>miguel000: "ps" is one way
04:57<snogglethorpe>miguel000: or one of the various "top" programs for a dynamic display
04:57<snogglethorpe>(I like "atop")
04:58<Prins>can cold ruin a computers hardware?
04:58<MeglaW_>well, no
04:58<MeglaW_>rapid temperature fluctuations can
04:58<miguel000>atop looks nice
04:58<snogglethorpe>Prins: I'm not sure if it will have direct bad effects in any envrionment you're likely to encounter, but there might be side-effects
04:58<snogglethorpe>like condensation
04:58<MeglaW_>temperature efeccts can, like condensation
04:58<Prins>oh okay
04:59<snogglethorpe>or oil in a fan or something seizing up...
04:59<MeglaW_>but then its not heat/lack of heat but water
04:59<MeglaW_>iv run pc's outside in -20 C
04:59<snogglethorpe>(thouh the fan might not be necessary anymore anyway...)
04:59<MeglaW_>thay work just fine.
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04:59<snogglethorpe>but what about when you get down to -60?
04:59<Parsifal>Does anyone know how I can tell APT to trust an apt-build repository?
04:59<MeglaW_>does not really matter.. theres no greese in hdd ball bearings
05:00<Parsifal>I've tried following the instructions here:
05:00<Prins>because this old box of mine was on the ceiling, and the temperature is very fluctiating up there
05:00<Parsifal>Aptitude keeps trying to upgrade to the trusted versions in the official repos, though.
05:00<MeglaW_>maybee the electrolytes in capasitors start acting up at that temp...
05:00<MeglaW_>i donno about that tho
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05:00<Prins>And now, I can't connect a screen to it, because the VGA apparantly doesn't work :(
05:00<snogglethorpe>also don't batteries start to act weird in very cold weather?
05:00<MeglaW_>Prins: connect a serial console
05:01<MeglaW_>snogglethorpe: yeah but computers dont need batteries wile running
05:02<MeglaW_>my only advice is test it, start spinning stuff spinning b4 thay hit that verry low temp...
05:04<Prins>MeglaW_: How do I do that? O_o
05:04<mjt>heh. fans.
05:04<snogglethorpe>turn on the computer _befor_ you start your antarctic trip
05:04<MeglaW_>keep it inside
05:04<snogglethorpe>bring a long extension cord
05:04<MeglaW_>bring it out
05:05<MeglaW_>turn it on
05:05<MeglaW_>go back inside.
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05:05<MeglaW_>dont w8 for the computer to become outside ambient temp
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05:05<MeglaW_>move it out, turn it on.
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05:05<snogglethorpe>i think most of the actual complaints about computers in cold weathers i've seen have been related to condensation
05:06<MeglaW_>snogglethorpe: shure yeah.
05:06<Prins>MeglaW_: So you think moving it outside would help? :o
05:07<MeglaW_>help with what
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05:07<MeglaW_>i will
05:07<Prins>but what is a serial console?
05:08<Prins>okay. but I havn't installed Linux on it yet..
05:09<MeglaW_>ok i thought it was running already, then change that gfx!
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05:09<Prins>lol :b #hardware-support doesn't exist? :D
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05:11<Prins>Well, I think I can get one, maybe two other boxes, then I'll see what's inside of them :b
05:11<Prins>And try to use them instead
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05:11<MeglaW_>do that. :)
05:11<dbldtx>I have heard that if your computer has high system/cpu temps -- and is used to very long uptimes...
05:12<dbldtx>and you power it off, put it in a car (say it's snowing), travel one hour with it... then leave it in the freezing car for two more hours...
05:13<MeglaW_>Prins: were do you live were you hit -60 C anyway?
05:13<dbldtx>then you take it inside and power it back up... I hear that quick "I've always been warm and I'm hot now"-changing to freezing cold can really foul things up.
05:13<Prins>MeglaW_: No way O_O I think the lowest has been -15 - -20C
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05:14<MeglaW_>dbldtx: thats what i said b4, rapid temp fluctuations may break stuff becouse of thermal expansion
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05:14<MeglaW_>also, if you bring a cold object into a warm nviorment, there is that condensation someone talked about.
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05:55<miguel000>how can i reset ALSA lib
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05:56<miguel000>because [AO_ALSA] alsa-lib: pcm_hw.c:1132:(snd_pcm_hw_open) open /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p failed: Device or resource bus
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05:58<MeglaW_>argh why does my screen go dark every 2 min, its not screensaver properties, its not power saving, were do i turn to disable it?
05:58<jm_>MeglaW_: what does "xset q" show?
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06:03<jm_>so that's 10 minutes, therefore not causing it
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06:04<MeglaW_>im using gnome to loginto xmonad if that has any relevance
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06:08<dbldtx>jm_ I never got those nvidia drivers installed under Squeeze, despite staying awake for 35 hours and working it periodically. themill tried to help me out, but it's still failing when I try to install nvidia-glx.
06:09<jm_>dbldtx: failing how?
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06:13<jm_>dbldtx: what does uname -r say?
06:13<dbldtx>/usr/src/modules contains 'linux' but now 'nvidia-kernel/'
06:14<dbldtx>the mill suggested I m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source but that didn't help at all... I have now gone back to SQUEEZE repos and uninstalled EVERYTHING nvidia, module-assist, etc
06:14<dbldtx>uname -r is 2.6.32-3-686
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06:16<dbldtx>I have both linux-headers-2.6.32-3-686 and linux-headers-2.6.32-3-common installed.
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06:17<dbldtx>I now have an apt.conf that says APT::Default-Release "testing";, where before I had no apt.conf, only an apt.conf.d
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06:19<jm_>dbldtx: what does this return? find /usr/src|egrep 'utsrelease.h|version.h' ?
06:19<dbldtx>jm_ Nothing whatsoever
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06:20<jm_>dbldtx: how about ls -l /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build ?
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06:20<dbldtx>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 35 2010-04-18 23:04 /lib/modules/2.6.32-3-686/build -> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-3-686
06:20<dbldtx>No idea why that's chmod 777-ed
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06:21<jm_>it's a symlink, they all are
06:21<jm_>linux headers package should include the 'include/linux/version.h' file, does it not?
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06:21<dbldtx>Ah, good to know. Also, /usr/src$ ls -l returns lrwxrwxrwx 1 root src 26 2010-04-19 00:05 linux -> linux-headers-2.6.32-3-686
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06:22<jm_>that's fine
06:22<jm_>do dpkg -L linux-headers-2.6.32-3-686|grep 'linux/version.h'
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06:23<jm_>huh, m-a shall find this and be happy with it
06:24<dbldtx>Alright -- well should I follow the dpkg factoid again?
06:24<jm_>you don't have KERNELDIRS env var set do you?
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06:25<dbldtx>I do not know, I did not set it
06:25<jm_>ok, try again and we'll debug m-a if need be
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06:28<dbldtx>...I'll tell you what I do while I am doing it - because I am sure this is going to die again with "Bad luck"
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06:29<dbldtx>deb sid main contrib non-free (instead of squeeze)
06:30<dbldtx>echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf (not doing this because I already have it set as such)
06:30<jm_>isn't it easier to download just those 2 or 3 packages with your browser?
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06:31<dbldtx>I am inexperienced and feel better using apt-get -- I fouled up the manual install you were walking me through the other day.
06:31<dbldtx>To be sure, if I were manually install this - instead of "aptitude install module-assistant"...
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06:32<dbldtx>or would I still install module-assistant and nvidia-kernel-source via apt-get?
06:32<jm_>you would install m-a with apt and nvidia-kernel-source with dpkg in my case, but it's OK as long as we get the right packages
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06:35<dbldtx>Now, I have sid listed in my sources.list but I have not yet done a sudo apt-get update... if I sudo apt-get install module-assistant, it will download the Squeeze version of it correct?
06:36<jm_>it should use that one regardless if you specified default release in apt.conf
06:37<dbldtx>Yes and I don't understand that even after reading man 5 apt.conf
06:37<miguel000>where do i define the colors, for my console
06:37<jm_>miguel000: colours for what?
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06:37<dr|z3d>miguel000: in the options.
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06:37<jm_>dbldtx: ok let's leave this for later, just continue with nvidia stuff
06:38<miguel000>because i can hardly read the dark blue on the black background, in wihc directories are displayd by default
06:38<dr|z3d>miguel000: you mean your terminal?
06:38<miguel000>ah yes
06:38<miguel000>are this system wide colors?
06:38<dr|z3d>miguel000: options..
06:38<jm_>miguel000: ok so you have two options - modify palette for your terminal or which colours are used by ls, pick one
06:38<miguel000>or is it my terminal that chooses the ccolors
06:38<jm_>it can even be both but ...
06:38<miguel000>I prefer palette
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06:38<dr|z3d>terminal does, though your distro might have preselected a theme, miguel000. What distro?
06:38<jm_>which terminal is it?
06:40<jm_>I bet that one honours X resources
06:40<jm_>indeed, it's in the FAQ
06:40<jm_>read /usr/share/doc/aterm/FAQ.gz
06:40<dbldtx>Running sudo apt-get update..ok. sudo aptitude install module-assistant..ok. ~and $sudo aptitude and #aptitude, dpkg does not mention sudo so should I be doing all of these in root?
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06:41<dbldtx>I would think that that does not matter, that there's no difference, but as I learned, there is, I just don't know what.
06:41<jm_>dbldtx: yes, you need to run all of this as root
06:41<dbldtx>Ahasdh fuhafsjik
06:42<dbldtx>aptitude -R -t sid install nvidia-kernel-source works just fine.
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06:43<jm_>and installed version 190.x right?
06:43<dbldtx>m-a prepare, which always has worked for me, is nice to me. 190.53-4, yes
06:44<dbldtx>m-a a-i nvidia && aptitude -t sid install nvidia-glx Now should I run these seperately or with the &&, to be sure?
06:44<jm_>yes, do the m-a a-i nvidia first
06:45<old>miguel000: Edit the LS_COLORS environment variable.
06:45<jm_>or use dircolors to do this for you
06:45<dbldtx>module-assistant, error message: Bad luck, the kernel headers for the target kernel version could not be found and you did not specify other valid kernel headers to use. 100% exit.
06:45<jm_>(that's a command)
06:45<jm_>dbldtx: ok so you need to find out what goes wrong in m-a, cp /usr/bin/m-a /tmp
06:46<dbldtx>and then pastebin the contents of /tmp?
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06:47<dbldtx>m-a is now in /tmp Is m-a an "alias" for module-assistant?
06:47<jm_>dbldtx: no, next you need to edit the script
06:48<jm_>dbldtx: search for 'Bad luck'
06:49<jm_>dbldtx: yes it's short for module-assistant
06:50<miguel000>hmmm strange definind the LS_COLORS and exporting it in my .bashrc should do the job right?
06:50<miguel000>shouldn't that change the way directories are displayed?
06:50<jm_>miguel000: yes
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06:51<dbldtx> or would you rather have the whole thing? jm_ thank you for helping me -- this trouble ticket has been open for +40 hours now, and I suck at everything apparently
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06:52<jm_>dbldtx: ok, before the if(!(keys %kerneldirs) add: print 'dirs: [' . %kerneldirs . ']\n';
06:52<miguel000>then I did something wrong, because none of the terminal emulators changed anything
06:54<jm_>miguel000: did you export it too?
06:54<miguel000>export LS_COLORS="di=04;=31"
06:54<miguel000>yes thats my line
06:54<dbldtx>Okay, this is now the m-a saved in my /tmp.
06:54<jm_>that is wrong
06:55<jm_>export LS_COLORS="di=01;31"
06:55<jm_>dbldtx: now run /tmp/m-a a-i nvidia
06:55<vook><sigh> anyone know the correct way to recreate /dev/null ? I'm not sure what I was thinking, I did something like 'mv file /dev/null'
06:56<miguel000>jm: yeah, this still doesnt change anything :( i was experimenting because it didnt work, thats why the typo
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06:56<petemc>vook: google for mknod dev null
06:56<vook>i tried mknod /dev/null c 3 0x000002 and it didn't work
06:57<vook>two different googled answers haven't worked
06:57<miguel000>also when i check what variables are set, LS_COLORS has a lot of them and also .... :di=01;34:...
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06:57<jm_>miguel000: it does work just fine, are you running ls in the same shell where you are changing it?
06:57<miguel000>no, im invoking a new shell every time
06:57<jm_>well then ...
06:57<miguel000>but WHO sets all the other LS_COLORS?
06:57<jm_>you need to set it in your shell startup file(s) for that
06:57<jm_>I don't know, it's not my system
06:58<miguel000>it is debian
06:58<miguel000>I didnt change anything conceringn that
06:58<jm_>not dircolors in your .bashrc ... I already mentioned this earlier
06:58<mutable>Hello. What updates /var/log/lastlog? There isn't much about it in lastlog(8).
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06:59<edrz>mutable: login? maybe ...
07:01<miguel000>yeah jm_ the dircolors are the bad guy, I missed that you mentioned that..
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07:02<vook>major/minor 1 3 finally worked (after finding 1 2 and 2 3)
07:02<jm_>dbldtx: crap, we don't see its output
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07:03<dbldtx>jm_ I have no idea, as it would have taken me days to figure out how to edit that script.
07:03<edrz>hmm. that's utmp. but /var/log/lastlog is owned root.utmp
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07:05<jm_>dbldtx: replace that line with pen(FP,"/tmp/ma1.log");print FP 'dirs: [' . %kerneldirs . ']\n';close(FP);
07:06<edrz>mutable: /usr/bin/lastlog belongs to the login package, so, my guess of login seems reasonable.
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07:08<jm_>dbldtx: sorry that pen should be open
07:09<dbldtx>jm_ gotcha, doing it now, and then run it? What language is this in, C?
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07:09<jm_>dbldtx: yes, it's perl
07:11<dbldtx> Same thing.
07:11<dbldtx>This is terrible.
07:11<mutable>edrz: Ok, thanks, I'm just googling how to disable some login entries in wtmp. (I realized boss meant "last log" instead of "lastlog" :)).
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07:13<ml|>dbldtx: sorry to interrupt, but I have a question; I see, you are still having issues, what did you try before following dpkg instructions?
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07:17<dbldtx>ml| ah no, thank you for materializing! You helped me out much earlier, to no avail -- same thing now. Well this is the 4th attempt at dpkg instructions after getting rid of everything (repo included and going back to squeeze).. I even did some research to make sure I was getting rid of EVERYTHING to start all over again.
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07:17<jm_>dbldtx: is there anything in /tmp/ma1.log file?
07:17<dbldtx> and were two others that I had tried.
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07:18<dbldtx>jm_ Huh, there IS no ma1.log file ...
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07:18<zophy>how do i reconfigure the X keyboard map ?
07:19<zophy>using dpkg
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07:19<jm_>dbldtx: did you edit /tmp/m-a and then run /tmp/m-a a-i again?
07:19<dpkg>To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments.
07:20<dbldtx>open(FP,"/tmp/ma1.log");print FP 'dirs: [' . %kerneldirs . ']\n';close(FP); was it I do believe, between my "$kheadp*" and "if(!(*" Yes I ran m-a a-i nvidia as root
07:21<jm_>dbldtx: /tmp/m-a, right? not just m-a?
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07:22<dbldtx>I just ran m-a, which makes me facepalm looking back at it... how do I execute /tmp.m-a, with the slash there?
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07:23<ml|>just /tmp/m-a a-i ....
07:23<jm_>dbldtx: /tmp/m-a a-i nvidia
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07:24<jm_>otherwise you can try calling m-a with -k or set KERNELDIRS
07:25<dbldtx>Okay well it runs but same problem as earlier, with the "bad luck"... root or sudo
07:25<jm_>ok but did it write /tmp/ma1.log ?
07:25<dbldtx>No it did not, sorry that's what I should have said first.
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07:26<jm_>ok just try calling m-a with -k then
07:26<dbldtx>How's that?
07:26<jm_>m-a -k /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-3-686 a-i nvidia
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07:27<dbldtx>..and from root is that the /tmp one? Or just as you have it, m-a -k /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-3-686 a-i nvidia
07:28<jm_>just like that - if it helps it will work with the normal script
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07:28<jm_>it should be relatively simple to figure out why m-a fails on its own but ...
07:29<dbldtx>Bad kernel version specification at /usr/bin/m-a line 566, <$apt> line 7.
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07:31<jm_>does 'm-a -t -v a-i nvidia' show anything more?
07:31<jm_>also check if "echo $KERNELDIRS" shows anything
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07:32<dbldtx>m-a -t -v a-i nvidia just gives me the errors in text with background instead of in the bios-looking windows.........
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07:32<dbldtx>echo $KERNELDIRS returns nothing
07:32<jm_>but doesn't provide any extra info?
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07:33<jm_>let me test if that open line works for me
07:33<ml|>dbldtx: and you never used nvidia's installer?
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07:35<dbldtx>ml| I was checking to verify that I had not -- what is it called? I do not believe that I have.
07:35<kokon>hello everybody
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07:35<kokon>i am new knoppix user
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07:35<dbldtx>Hello knoppix user!
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07:36<ml|>dbldtx: don't know, I never used that, but I think you had to use or run some *.run I think
07:36<dbldtx>Oh no, never have.
07:37<dbldtx>I thiiink I may have just found both why this isn't working AND why I am so much of an idiot, all at once.
07:37<ml|>dpkg knoppix
07:37<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unofficial: <Debian-live> is the Debian equivalent for publishing live systems.
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07:38<dbldtx>sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-nv asks me if I would like to install it along with xserver-common xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-input-synaptics xserver-xorg-input-wacom .....
07:38<jm_>dbldtx: no that's not it
07:38<dbldtx>Wait wait is this because I am not back in squeeze......
07:38<ml|>yeah that's something else
07:39<ml|>not back in squeeze?
07:39<dbldtx>But could not having xserver-xorg-video-nv have something to do with it?
07:39<jm_>no, that's non-close driver
07:39<jm_>or free driver
07:40<jm_>that perl stuff is wroking fine for me though
07:40<dbldtx>I have deb sid main contrib non-free (instead of squeeze)
07:40<jm_>so I have a feeling something's not the same in your script
07:40<ml|>you can have both at the same, but define which one to use in xorg.conf
07:41<jm_>dbldtx: try to make it look like that and try again (rememeber, always use the one in /tmp)
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07:42<dbldtx>jm_ is this instead of what you had me do earlier? Maybe I put that line in the wrong place?
07:42<jm_>dbldtx: yes, similar thing, just copy over the original again and add lines as you see in my paste
07:43<jm_>but I have a feeling we'll need to look in initksrc()
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07:44<ml|>jm_: so you think it's a m-a issue?
07:44<jm_>ml|: yes
07:45<dbldtx> the end it's got a msg "\n\n" . is that . necessary?
07:45<jm_>where is that?
07:45<dbldtx>last character of the paste
07:45<jm_>ahh that's already in the original, you should only add the lines that are not already there!
07:45<jm_>so just 4 lines that start in column 0
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07:47<dbldtx>This is not working either, /tmp/m-a -t -v a-i nvidia
07:47<jm_>hah -k bug
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07:47<jm_>did it create /tmp/ma1.log?
07:48<dbldtx>dirs: [$VAR1 = {}; is the contents of ma1.log
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07:50<jm_>ok right, so we need to figure out why it doesn't set it
07:50<dbldtx>I do not have xserver-xorg-video-nv package installed
07:51<jm_>dbldtx: do you get more info if -d switch is used? m-a -d -t a-i nvidia
07:52<jm_>the xserver-xorg-video-nv is free driver with less features, you're trying to get binary only driver with more features built, they are not related other than being able to drive the same (well not quite) hardware
07:52<dbldtx>dirs: [$VAR1 = {};]\n
07:52<jm_>not in the file but it ins output
07:53<jm_>it should show PROBEKDIR:
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07:54<dbldtx>Thank you all for working with me on this -- I really must say I appreciate it.
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07:58<jm_>dbldtx: try runnign it like so: KERNELDIRS=/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-3-686 m-a a-i nvidia
07:58<jm_>that's one command
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07:58<jm_>ok also add -d switch so that we can see if it goes through that PROBEKDIR
07:59<dbldtx>...and m-a is left as is or shall it be /tmp/m-a
07:59<ml|>jm_: not using the /tmp/m-a?
08:00<jm_>ml|: nope, that one just has useless debugging printf-s
08:00<jm_>dbldtx: as is
08:00<dbldtx>So add a -d but not a -t?
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08:00<ml|>ok, sorry to interject
08:00<jm_>yeah, -t is not needed
08:01<centyx>jm_: you jm from mgalug?
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08:01<jm_>centyx: no
08:01<centyx>jm_: k
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08:01<traveler0>anyone using elantech touchpad w/ latest squeeze?
08:02<mjt>what's wrong with it?
08:02<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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08:03<dbldtx>Could it be, that it wants to apt-get install the 32-3-686 headers but I already have them? i don't know
08:03<traveler0>it doesn't tap to click, mostly
08:03<dbldtx>..well I mean OBVIOUSLY that is the case but
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08:05<mjt>traveler0: see the README.Debian included in the synaptics package
08:05<mjt>traveler0: in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics, that is: /usr/share/doc/x.-x.-i.-s./
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08:06<ml|>maybe that needs a udev rule?
08:06<mjt>ml|: that file explains it all :)
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08:07<ml|>heh, I will take that as a yes without looking ;)
08:07<mjt>udev rule or xorg.conf snipped
08:08<mjt>and actually that file is incomplete for current way (with udev)
08:08<mjt>er, it's NEWS.Debian, not README.DEbian
08:09<jm_>dbldtx: mind if we continue this tomorrow?
08:09<dbldtx>sure thing.
08:10<dbldtx>I'll leave it as it.. I really appreciate it.
08:10<dbldtx>What time?
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08:10<dbldtx>I have stayed up all night here on the Pacific Coast - no idea why something like installing drivers is so hard for me.
08:10<jm_>same time as today or even earlier is fine, I will join in about 17 hours time from now
08:11<jm_>at least I now checked that KERNELDIRS var is working fine for me with m-a so we'll concentrate on that
08:11<dbldtx>Well thank you jm_ I look forward to this working
08:12<mjt>what's the problem, btw? No luck with nvidia modules?
08:12<jm_>m-a somehow fails to build a module for him, errors out with "Bad luck ..." message
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08:13<mjt>which module?
08:13<jm_>the one you asked about - nvidia
08:13<mjt>aha ok, so my guess was right :)
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08:14<mjt>(not that i know anything there or can help - i always used custom kernels anyway, and custom boot scripts)
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08:14<jm_>it's rather strange, we have helped at least 4-5 people lately with building sid version in squeeze and it was smooth in all cases
08:15<dbldtx>Yep, lots of articles on it
08:15<ml|>yes, have not seen this myself
08:15<dbldtx>Google helped me out a lot by showing me how easy it should be.
08:16<mjt>maybe just follow the nvidia way instead? The headers appears to be in the proper place...
08:16<ml|>could it be a bad move to squeeze somehow?
08:16<jm_>he is following that :)
08:16<mjt>ok ;)
08:17<dbldtx>Well it was Squeeze NetInstall Alpha1 Release...
08:17<dbldtx>New computer, too, some part of me wishes that I had gone with Radeon
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08:17<mjt>btw, squeeze will probably have nouveau driver
08:18<jm_>for the brave ones ;)
08:18<jm_>dbldtx: what did you get?
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08:19<mjt>i once were unhappy for choosing radeon, thinking that nvidia was better. At least nv driver worked out of the box with 2d and xvideo. But later on radeon driver has grown up, and now i'm glad i didn't choose nvidia :)
08:20<dbldtx>It's a Zotac GeForce 8400 GS, PhysX?, CUDA?
08:20<jm_>i have 8400gs at work
08:20<brenton>how do i stop debian from loading its own nvidia module on boot... i have to recompile nvidias module every reboot coz of this?
08:20<dbldtx>GDDR2 512mb, my first nvidia card I've ever owned..
08:20<jm_>hopefully it's without a fan
08:21<jm_>brenton: its own?
08:21<dbldtx>This one has a fan.
08:21<mjt>how loading forces it to recompile something?
08:21*mjt ==> work
08:22<brenton>jm_: it an old out of date version thats in debians non-free repos
08:22<jm_>brenton: did you install it the debian way?
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08:23<brenton>no i dont think so, but ive seen something include nvidia-glx in one of my apt installs ages ago... i reinstalled it and did apt-get --purge remove on it to make sure
08:24<jm_>ok verify: dpkg -l|grep nvidia
08:24<jm_>if you installed nvidia-glx it must have been the debian way
08:24<jm_>(nvidia-glx deb that is)
08:25<brenton>jm_: no nvidia shows up for that command
08:26<brenton>in my dmesg is where i discovered this old module being loaded
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08:26<jm_>brenton: well we can't help with stuff installed using nvidia installer, check if it has uninstall option
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08:34<vfaronov>Hi. Do I need to do anything special to enable unattended-upgrades on lenny? I've installed the package and set up the APT config, but it doesn't run.
08:34<vfaronov>And I can't seem to find the cron job that would run it.
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08:51<edrz>is make-kpkg still the preferred way to build one's own kernels, or is it more proper to use the deb-pkg make target included in the sources?
08:51<edrz>as discussed in
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08:53<titan8990>edrz: kernel-package handles creation of the initrd. not so sure with using deb-pkg
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09:03<munga>hi all ... I'm playing with and I aften get and "An internal server error occurred " when downloading files like ... It there some kind of blacklist system to prevent abuses ?
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09:06<traveler0>does the xorg version in squeeze support InputClass in xorg.conf? I can't get it to work and x11_options in udev has been phased out(?)
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09:07<dbldtx>nathan; hello
09:08<nathan>everybody look fine, no problems to fix? :d
09:09<ml|>munga: seems like s.d.o is having issues, as I get the same error
09:09<dbldtx>nathan; stay a while, you've been here for 2 minutes
09:09<munga>ml|, thanks !
09:10<dbldtx>ml|; I am considering just moving to Lenny and staying there.
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09:12<ml|>dbldtx: I was thinking that maybe since you use testing installer, but if everything else works fine that's not it
09:12<dli>how do I configure X in squeeze(testing)? "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" does nothing
09:13<edrz>titan8990: i guess initramfs is the tool for that.
09:13<titan8990>dli: shouldn't need to unless your using proprietary drivers
09:14<dli>titan8990, I thought so, but "startx" ends in error without xorg.conf
09:14<titan8990>what error?
09:14<dli>titan8990, hold on, let me pastebin it
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09:17<dli>titan8990, indeed, I do see any error at all:
09:17<dli>titan8990, no error, but X quits
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09:18<dli>titan8990, this one from terminal output, not in Xorg.0.log: waiting for X server to shut down error setting MTRR (base = 0xf0000000, size = 0x01000000, type = 1) Inappropriate ioctl for device (25)
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09:19<titan8990>dli: doesn't sound configuration related, file a bug report
09:20<titan8990>(if the bug doesn't already exist)
09:20<dli>titan8990, thanks
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09:33<johnfg>Can apt-file be made to search a specific repo? E.g., backports? I note that the version of phpmyadmin we have on lenny is a full version behind current, and wondered if something more recent was available in backports.
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09:34<themill>johnfg: you wouldn't use apt-file for that anyway. "apt-cache policy phpmyadmin"
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09:34<themill>,versions phpmyadmin
09:34<judd>phpmyadmin -- etch: 4:; etch-security: 4:; lenny: 4:; lenny-security: 4:; sid: 4:3.3.2-1; squeeze: 4:3.3.2-1
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09:35<johnfg>themill, So, with the current version in squeeze, could I install it?
09:36<ml|>don't mix releases
09:36<johnfg>Prior to lenny, I just installed and maintained phpmyadmin myself, but thought I'd go with packages specifically for debian.
09:36<johnfg>Oh, ok.
09:36<johnfg>squeeze will be out soon enough. I'll just wait for that then.
09:37<dpkg>Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition.
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09:37<themill>johnfg: you'd probably be able to do so with phpmyadmin as it has quite modest dependencies and reverse-dependencies. But that way is the path to madness...
09:38<ml|>dpkg squeeze pool 1
09:38<dpkg>! NiLon=2010-10-12 rvsjoen=2010-07-15 Titan8990=2010-12-15 icebrain=2010-06-01 tabashco=2010-11-22 <rmayorga>=2011-1-17 jelly=2010-09-29 dpalacio=2010-08-03 cydork=2010-07-10 CutMeOwnThroat=2010-06-15 enouf=2010-04-01 themill=2010-05-30 valdyn=2010-06-15 rohan=2010-12-06 abrotman=2010-10-02 gsimmons=2010-09-03
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09:42<titan8990>ml|: I heard mention of freeze in sept... lot of losing bets up there :p
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09:44<OdyX>hm… Freeze can come early if everyone was fixing RC bugs instead of…
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09:48<k-man_>i wrote this simple script to start lirc at boot time, it basically loads the lirc modules then starts lirc. it is in rc2.d so should run at boot time, only problem is that it doesn't seem to work. it does work if i manually call it though. any ideas how to debug why it doesn't work at boot time?
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09:52<titan8990>k-man_: isn't lirc a gui client application?
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09:52<gsimmons>k-man_: Uh, Debian's lirc init script provides module loading functionality.
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09:56<k-man_>gsimmons: i found the debian script severely broken
09:56<k-man_>i started to try and debug it but in the end i thought it would be easier to write my own
09:56<k-man_>oh... works for you
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09:57<k-man_>gsimmons: which version of lirc?
09:57<gsimmons>k-man_: Lenny's 0.8.3.
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09:58<k-man_>i had problems with 0.8.3-5.1 in squeeze
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09:59<aquiles>opa .. bom dia a todos
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10:00<aquiles>sou novo ... aqui! .. e estou encontrando um dificuldade .. e me conectar com outros servidores
10:00<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
10:00<aquiles>alguem pode me ajudar!?
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10:01<dbldtx>que triste, verdad, pero necicitas.
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10:01<aquiles>sim... :) me passaram um servidor "sreenode"
10:01<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
10:02<aquiles>+ qdo add new server em list... ele não conecta? esta certo? seria isso mesmo!?
10:02<dbldtx>Portugesa? Haha.
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10:07<aquiles>alguem usa o stoq?
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10:16<traveler0>o que é o stoq?
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10:18<miguel000>how can I supress kvm from loading at startup?
10:19<miguel000>it is in my /etc/init.d/
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10:20<titan8990>miguel000: update-rc.d
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10:22<aquiles>stoq eh um programa open de ERP
10:22<aquiles>cadastro, vendas, financeiro e outros
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10:22<aquiles>eh minha 1 vez usando o Xchat..
10:22<aquiles>ainda não conhecia
10:23<dbldtx>aquiles; usandas o IRSSI
10:23<aquiles>o pessoal da comunidade .. orientou para usar o #debian-br
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10:24<aquiles>+ não estou sabendo ainda onde eu configuro para acessar o #debin-br?
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10:25<ml|>miguel000: use sysv-rc-conf
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10:27<snama>hello, how is Squeeze right now? Is it mostly stable?
10:28<ml|>dpkg: testing
10:28<dpkg>Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers.
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10:29<traveler0>oi, sim, squeeze é bastante estável para uso não-crítico. na verdade, eu estou usando ele agora
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10:32<xio>soys yo
10:32<xio>sney stasssss?
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10:32<xio>olaa lguien
10:32<simonrvn>it's not a chat channel. it's Debian support.
10:32<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
10:32<xio>en espanjii
10:33<xio>en espani
10:33<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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10:33<traveler0>xio, olá, bem vindo ao Debian. qual é o seu problema?
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10:33<xio>amos aber4 esto d dek baaa
10:34<xio>una prwgunbtsa de k mierda bas esto tengo 11 años y esto esta en el portatil d emi colegio
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10:37<xio>adios stoy rd una puta caca
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10:37<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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11:15<vfaronov>Hey. Running lenny. I have the apt package, but don't have /etc/cron.daily/apt, which it ostensibly contains.
11:15<vfaronov>I `aptitude reinstall apt`, but still don't have /etc/cron.daily/apt. What's wrong?
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11:16<themill>dpkg: tell vfaronov about confmiss
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11:17<vfaronov>themill: thanks, this worked
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11:30<mansi>Hello friends, I have problem in configuring my laptop to acces Access point with WPA2 CCMP encrytption
11:30<mansi>Getting this error message
11:30<mansi>wpa_supplicant: /sbin/wpa_supplicant daemon failed to startrun-parts: /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/wpasupplicant exited with return code 1
11:30<mansi>My card is broadcom, and i am using b43 driver
11:30<maestro>soy de españa y es logico k hable español
11:31<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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11:31<bja>!es-social maestro
11:31<dpkg>maestro: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
11:31<maestro>soy maestr pokemon
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11:32<thkoch>does sb know, whether the CDDL license is Debian free?
11:33<dpkg>from memory, dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at
11:33<mansi>Anybody regarding myy wifi issue/
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11:33<gsimmons>mansi: How are you configuring your wireless interface? Using /etc/network/interfaces, or a wireless connection manager? (e.g. NetworkManager)
11:34<mansi>i am using /etc/network/interfaces
11:34<mansi>auto eth1iface eth1 inet dhcpwpa-driver wextwpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
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11:35<mansi>wpa-supplicant contains
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11:36<titan8990>dpkg: dfsg =~ s,, for a full list see,
11:36<dpkg>titan8990: OK
11:36<mansi>I am trying to conenct to
11:36<mansi>Cell 01 - Address: 00:27:19:F8:8A:8C ESSID:"friends786" Mode:Managed Frequency:2.412 GHz (Channel 1) Quality:5/5 Signal level:-35 dBm Noise level:-94 dBm IE: IEEE 802.11i/WPA2 Version 1 Group Cipher : CCMP Pairwise Ciphers (1) : CCMP Authentication Suites (1) : PSK E
11:36<mansi>ates:1 Mb/s; 2 Mb/s; 5.5 Mb/s; 11 Mb/s; 6 Mb/s 9 Mb/s; 12 Mb/s; 18 Mb/s; 24 Mb/s; 36 Mb/s 48 Mb/s; 54 Mb/s
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11:37<titan8990>thkoch: anyways, looks like CDDL is non-free
11:37<mansi>When trying #ifup eth1, I am getting this error message
11:37<mansi>root:~ # ifup eth1wpa_supplicant: /sbin/wpa_supplicant daemon failed to startrun-parts: /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/wpasupplicant exited with return code 1
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11:39<gsimmons>mansi: You need to use braces, not parentheses, in wpa_supplicant.conf.
11:39<mansi>ohh!!!!let me try again ..shall let you know
11:39<mansi>let me try braces
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11:46<mansi>ohh no!!! still same problem....i even restarted my laptop
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11:47<mansi>still same error
11:47<mansi>root:~ # ifup eth1wpa_supplicant: /sbin/wpa_supplicant daemon failed to startrun-parts: /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/wpasupplicant exited with return code 1
11:49<gsimmons>mansi: Please provide the contents of your /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf files, along with the output of "ifup -v eth1" output at a paste site.
11:49<gsimmons>dpkg: paste
11:49<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
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11:52<krebipeti>i want to customize debian CD....
11:53<krebipeti>i already done it
11:53<krebipeti>i using live helper
11:53<titan8990>krebipeti: try #debian-live
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11:53<krebipeti>i install it on different machine but the specs is the same
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11:54<krebipeti>exacly the same
11:54<titan8990>krebipeti: try #debian-live and avoid enter for punctation
11:54<krebipeti>it work great
11:54<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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11:56<krebipeti>i just want to ask....does my CD able to be installed on different machine...i mean does it contain the driver for other machine that supported by debian?
11:58<titan8990>krebipeti: debian livecds are not installers
11:58<titan8990>krebipeti: and I told you the correct channel to ask
11:59<krebipeti>thx...i just joined the channel
11:59<krebipeti>sorry...i just newbie on irc
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12:00<mansi>i pasted it
12:00<mansi>name mansi
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12:10<mansi>i pasted lsmod and lspci
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12:12<gsimmons>mansi: Are you sure your wireless interface is available at eth1? b43 is a mac80211 driver, which uses a wlan* prefix. Also, which Debian version are you using?
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12:14<mansi>iwconfig gives >>>eth1 IEEE 802.11bg ESSID:"" Nickname:""
12:14<mansi>i am using lenny
12:15<mansi>ifconfig lists, eth0, eth1 and lo
12:15<gsimmons>mansi: The output returned for "lspci -nn | grep BCM" (providing in the channel is fine) would be useful.
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12:16<mansi>root:/home/mansi # lspci -nn | grep BCM03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g [14e4:4315] (rev 01)
12:17<gsimmons>mansi: The PHY of that device is not supported by the b43 driver in Linux 2.6.26.
12:17<mansi>i can connect to wep very easily
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12:17<mansi>i have no troub;le to connect wep
12:17<themill>wth do they give a device called "4312" a pciid of "4315". Is it just sheer perversity?
12:18<sney>themill: they hate you
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12:18<mansi>gsimmons>> Is PHY od wpa2 different?
12:19<mansi>I mean PHY "of"
12:19<dbldtx>themill; I still love you
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12:19<gsimmons>mansi: Ah, you're using the vendor driver (wl). Should have realised earlier. It has, uh, interesting properties. You would want to blacklist b43, ssb and friends away if you want to use this.
12:19<gsimmons>dpkg: tell mansi -about bcm4312
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12:21<mansi>gsimmons>>can you please tell me what am I supposed to now..I should blacklist b43 and install some other driver?
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12:23<mansi>gsimmons>> I suppose I have to install b43-fwcutter isnt it?
12:23<titan8990>mansi: check your pm from dpkg
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12:23<gsimmons>mansi: You're currently using the vendor driver. You need to decide whether to put up with its quirks, or use an updated b43 driver available for your system (via lenny-backports).
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12:25<gsimmons>mansi: With respect to your current configuration and the vendor driver, a user here previously had to state "proto=WPA RSN", "pairwise=CCMP TKIP" and "group=CCMP TKIP" in his/her wpa_supplicant.conf file.
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12:27<mansi>gsimmons>> i did as you said, now the error is gone, gr8, thanx. but still it is not getting ip via dhcp
12:27<mansi>is it because i am simultaneously connected by wire?
12:28<mansi>gsimmons>> I enable debian backport repository. but b43-fwcutter already installed
12:28<mansi>root:~ # aptitude search b43i b43-fwcutter - Utility for extracting Broadcom 43xx firmware
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12:30<opticon> /msg dpkg pastebin ~$ freshclam
12:30<opticon>ERROR: Can't open /var/log/clamav/freshclam.log in append mode (check permissions!).
12:30<opticon>ERROR: Problem with internal logger (UpdateLogFile = /var/log/clamav/freshclam.log).
12:30<opticon>what does that mean?
12:30<titan8990>it appears to be very clear... check the perms on that file
12:30<mansi>gsimmons>> thanx a lot for your help.
12:31<mansi>I shall try again and do let you know
12:31<mansi>let me restart
12:31<gsimmons>mansi: There is no updated b43-fwcutter in lenny-backports. Ask dpkg about blacklist.
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12:31<opticon>oops wrong one
12:31<bja>opticon: rom #d-d FUCKED: clamav (#550296) - use volatile
12:31<opticon>ERROR: /var/log/clamav/freshclam.log is locked by another process
12:31<opticon>ERROR: Problem with internal logger (UpdateLogFile = /var/log/clamav/freshclam.log).
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12:32<opticon>that one
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12:32<bja>opticon: check file permissions
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12:39<opticon>not sure how checking file permissions would help with locked process i rebooted debian seemed to have did the trick
12:40<bja>Sorry opticon my mistake, i was thinking of fusesr
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12:41<bja>!tell opticon about fuser
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12:42<opticon>ha that is nifty
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12:44<zem>hi, i installed latest update on squeeze, got 2.6.32-3-686 kernel, yet in grub the default kernel is 2.6.32-trunk-686, which one is newer? which one should i use?
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12:45<gsimmons>zem: 2.6.32-3 is newer and should be used. You're experiencing this behavior due to Debian bug #568160.
12:45<oscar>join #ubuntu-es
12:45<zem>tnx gsimmons
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12:49<prahal>hi how could I install on a pc that requires sid kernel (for ethernet, the installer behing usb-hdd netinst ) ?
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12:49<dpkg>For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images.
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12:49<azeem_>prahal: sid kernel or squeeze kernel?
12:50<prahal>I bet both would works
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12:50<prahal>I found
12:50<Emmanuel_Chanel>¡Hola! ¿Cómo estas?
12:50<azeem_>there's 2.6.32 in lenny-backports
12:50<Guest673>yo ablo español
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12:50<Emmanuel_Chanel>Hallå! Hur är det med dig?
12:50<dpkg>Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en Ahi recibira mas soporte.
12:50<titan8990>prahal: the kmuto installer can install lenny using .32
12:50<prahal>yup but the installer cannot contact backports until it has ethernet and as ethernet support is only in newer kernels
12:51<Emmanuel_Chanel>Soy japones. No hablo español.
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12:51<azeem_>right, you could install from the full cd #1
12:51<prahal>yup that s the last chance ...
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12:52<Guest673>no es por na pero nada mas tienen estos portatiles los españoles
12:52<prahal>but I ll use giga of bandwith from the debian server for nothing if there is another mean
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12:52<prahal>help me save the planet and debian affiliate bandwidth :)
12:53<azeem_>then try kmuto
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12:53<Guest673>en y no es por na pero menos chuleo
12:53<locklace>Guest673: aqui se habla ingles solamente, niño con retraso de una hiena leprosa
12:53<prahal> looks good only I don't know what to do with it
12:53<prahal>ok I ll try kmuto
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12:53<Guest673>si si
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12:53<Emmanuel_Chanel>Guest673: Let's stop speaking Spanish. I know only few phrases.
12:53<Guest673>y tu estas ablando en español
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12:54<Emmanuel_Chanel>And... it's an international channel...
12:54<azeem_>Emmanuel_Chanel: this is an english only channel
12:54<Emmanuel_Chanel>Guest673: It was a sort of joke.
12:54<azeem_>I was going to kickban you for writing spanish
12:54<Father0fNine>Is this channel the same as #debian on freenode?
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12:54<Emmanuel_Chanel>azeem_: Yeah, sorry.
12:54<azeem_>Father0fNine: no
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12:55<Father0fNine>Oh so interesting. Anybody remember lilo? What was the IRC network he was running?
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12:55<super>hien a leprosa tu
12:56<Father0fNine>that's what I thought when I stumbled upon it...
12:56<bja>!es-social super
12:56<dpkg>super: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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12:56<prahal>hum won't I be able to install (with a boot kernel 2.6.32) then end up stuck with a base install with another kernel ... too old that will prevent me from installing anything else (well I will then use usb stick to transfer the required kernel debs ) ?
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12:57<azeem_>prahal: I believe it also installs the 2.6.32 kernel as main one
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13:01<bja>azeem_: fyi she was using guadalinex.
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13:05<bja>!ubuntu-es bja
13:05<dpkg>bja: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en Ahi recibira mas soporte.
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13:18<prahal>I am trying squeeze . Found out with any keywords I found in kmuto pages ... it detected everything and currently installing
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13:19<prahal>maybe the process should be documented near on the pages where the images are available . I did found out those and tried in the wild to copy the boot.img.gz to the usb hdd
13:19<prahal>not luck but a zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/<device> indeed helps :)
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13:23<vhann>Hi, is there a way to list running windows (in GNOME) from the command-line?
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13:23<vhann>(Meant to be used in a script)
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13:29<prahal>vhann, xwininfo -root -children ?
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13:32<vhann>prahal: This looks promising, but that's not exactly what I am searching for.
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13:32<vhann>Thanks for the hint though ;)
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13:35<dli>"X -configure" causes segfault on squeeze:
13:35<johnfg>What can I do to correct this problem?
13:36<dli>johnfg: adduser -u 1000 johnfg
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13:36<johnfg>I use kerberos and openldap for authentication, and don't have an entry for uid 1000 in /etc/passwd or /etc/group.
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13:36<johnfg>Can I make exim aware of the info in openldap?
13:37<johnfg>dli: can exim be 'kerberized'?
13:37<dli>johnfg, I don't know either, maybe, it expects the same uid as registered on a remote server
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13:39<johnfg>Is exim's info set in a conf file somewhere? I'm not finding one, if so; just the dpkg stuff.
13:39<petemc>exim4 -bV
13:41<bja>johnfg: to have a properly working openldap you have to have unified uid across the network, and yes exim4 can talk to openldap
13:41<johnfg>bja, I thought I had that taken care of. What do I need to do to insure that I have a unified ID?
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13:42<johnfg>When I do id johnfg, all looks good to me.
13:42<bja>johnfg: vi and some patientece
13:43<dli>johnfg, usermod -u 1000 johnfg
13:43<nathan>hi, i have a problem to run a svn server. I write a start deamon script and everything work but i have problem with the svn port. I open the 3690 tcp port on my box and i add this line in my firewall script : "iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 3690 -j ACCEPT" but my svn server incontact remains outside. I said my OUTPUT chain is on "ACCEPT"
13:43<johnfg>gvim and the fruit of patience, by God's grace! :-)
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13:45<johnfg>dli, Is that just going to put the user back into passwd?
13:45<johnfg>and bja, what do I need to modify?
13:46<johnfg>I do see a group in /etc/group: debian-exim, and I'm not in it. Is that where I need to be added?
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13:47<edrz>i've made a possibly interesting discovery wrt to my problems using the squeeze installer for / on raid1
13:47<edrz>it seems to be something about the partitioning bit.
13:47<edrz>if I partition with the lenny installer
13:48<edrz>then rerun the daily image for the squeeze installer, keeping the partition tables from the lenny install
13:48<edrz>grub installs fine.
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13:50<dli>edrz, or, you may only install without raid1, then, make the unused disks as raid1 (with one device), cp over data, and grow raid to include old devices
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13:52<johnfg>bja, What is it that I need to modify?
13:53<edrz>dli: yes, sure. i've been building systems that run with / on raid1 since before the installer supported it.
13:53<edrz>so, have done that plenty of times.
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13:54<edrz>it's just that not being able to do it from d-i would be a regression, and I want to do what i can to help fix it.
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13:55<ml|>edrz: have you checked if that has being reported? if not a reportbug would help
13:55<edrz>i filed a bug yesterday
13:56<edrz>and am going to add this bit of info.
13:56<ml|>dpkg: dbugs #578338
13:56<dpkg>#578338:I[debian-installer] debian-installer: grub-install fails to md0 (); Mon, 19 Apr 2010 01:51:01 UTC []
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13:57<edrz>such a useful bot.
13:57*edrz past dpkg on the head
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14:03<ml|>edrz: btw, does the testing installer use grub-pc by default?
14:03<antonzzz>Maybe this isnt the place to ask this but here it goes:
14:03<antonzzz>I recently upgraded to squeeze from lenny, and with that xserver (1.4.2 → 1.7.6), but it is not working right. When i switch to tty7 the system gets unresponsive for several seconds before i can do anything. When i downgrade just xserver-xorg-core (and all dependencies) back to lenny it is better. What should i do? As far as i know this setup is working all right, but i thought it should not be this way...
14:04<ml|>ok, I thought so thanks
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14:05<johnfg>How do I configure exim to make use of openldap?
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14:06<petemc>johnfg: check the docs on, thats too broad a question to be answered on irc
14:07<johnfg>OK, will do.
14:08<mjt>antonzzz: what's your video card
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14:08<bja>johnfg: I can't recall at the moment the files you have to edit. You will have to check the openldap documentation to fix it.
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14:11<antonzzz>mjt: Intel 965GM Chipset
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14:12<johnfg>I'm checking some docs on right now, and boy are they about as clear as mud, no offense intended. moin moin! What kind of talk is that!
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14:17<petemc>johnfg: what you're reading is now a how to for someone new to mail, rather a detailed and well written specification
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14:19<johnfg>OK, well, I'll try and figure it out. petemc Do you know where the wiki file is that it's referrring to in the article?
14:19<petemc> , at a guess
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14:20<petemc>exim can be daunting, its very configurable
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14:29<dli>my xsession ends immediately: "your session only lasted less than 10 seconds", while the .xsession-errors contains no clear error for me:
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14:32<nathan>hi, i have a problem to run a svn server. I write a start deamon script and everything work but i have problem with the svn port. I open the 3690 tcp port on my box and i add this line in my firewall script : "iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 3690 -j ACCEPT" but my svn server incontact remains outside. I said my OUTPUT chain is on "ACCEPT"
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14:37<bja>nathan: i am no expert on svn, check the udp ports and look into the logs for a mistake, else look on their site for an irc channel to get help
14:38<valdyn>dli: show your .xsession
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14:39<dli>valdyn, I chose lxde in gdm
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14:39<centyx>dli: squeeze and lxde?
14:39<dli>centyx, yes
14:39<dli>centyx, let me try xfce
14:40<centyx>dli: edit /usr/bin/startlxde, at the bottom change -s to -e
14:40<centyx>dli: in the lxsession line
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14:42<dli>centyx, it works now:) thanks. I'm going to try xfce now
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14:42<centyx>dli: np. i had that problem the other day,.
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14:42<ml|>centyx: was that reported?
14:43<centyx>ml|: no, I didn't.
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14:43<dli>centyx, good, xfce works now also. :)
14:43<centyx>ml|: url?
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14:44<ml|>would help if someone who had the issue would
14:44<centyx>ml|: what's the bug tracker url?
14:44<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges
14:44<centyx>ml|: thanks
14:44<ml|>but better to use reportbug
14:45<ml|>centyx: wait did you check if there was one before?
14:45<centyx>ml|: no I haven't yet
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14:46<centyx>ml|: I'll look at all that when I get home later
14:46<dli>centyx, is this related to the bug: [56035.355415] lxsession[10976]: segfault at 0 ip b74b8448 sp bf9ff31c error 4 in[b7445000+141000]
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14:47<centyx>dli: could be
14:47<ml|>centyx: ok, that would help others, if not already reported and even if it is, I would add your experience
14:47<malte>I have a little problem, I install testing, bu I have no screens. so i make dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, but nothing happend, when i try X -configure then I get a error message with the text: "Caught Signal 11"
14:48<malte>i have also installed the newst fglrx-driver
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14:48<dli>malte, yes, I got the similar, "X -configure" seems to be broken on testing
14:48<malte>so what must I do? upate to unstable?
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14:49<dpkg>[fglrx] "FireGL and Radeon for X", the AMD/ATI proprietary display driver. As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the R600 series are supported; ask me about <radeon> or <radeonhd> instead. The fglrx-driver version in <testing> supports Xorg 7.5 (Xserver 1.7). #ati on
14:49<dli>malte, try xserver-xorg-video-ati , if possible, you don't need xorg.conf nowadays, so try to startx directly
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14:50<malte>but i need fglrx for my games
14:51<dli>malte, no, I don't anything to do with fglrx, traumatized
14:52<centyx>dli: about the lxsession bug
14:52<malte>ok, with ati it works, but how can i played 3D games now
14:52<titan8990>If you expect things to work... you run stable
14:53<ml|>centyx: nice, was just about to paste that link
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14:54<dli>centyx, is this an upstream bug?
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14:58<ml|>it's an easy fix just use startlxde, but I would report your guys experiences anyways and if startlxde works for you
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14:59<centyx>dli: the segfault, probably, though not sure. evidently upgrading to 0.5.0-3 from sid fixes it ( but you still need the -e option, which is also included in the sid version )
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15:01<malte>so i am back
15:01<malte>what did you think when the problem will be solbed
15:01<ml|>yes, forgot to mention that: lxde-common to 0.5.0-3
15:02<dli>centyx, I have lxsession-0.4.1 on gentoo, seems to be fine, the newest released is lxsession-0.4.4
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15:05<dli>ml|, doesn't matter, whenever lxde fails, I will simply run xfce
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15:06<ml|>dli: what do you mean?
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15:07<centyx>dli: as long as you don't edit startlxde and put the -s option back, you'll be fine
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15:07<centyx>dli: or you can upgrade to the version from sid for a real fix
15:08<dli>centyx, so, any upgrade which may touch startlxde will fix this bug
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15:09<centyx>dli: yes
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15:10<dli>centyx, good enough for me :) thanks for the magic fix
15:10<centyx>dli: or, if you're worried about it, you can just use an .xsession file and run lxsession -e LXDE in there
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15:10<centyx>dli: and don't forget to set XDG_CONFIG_HOME too if you do that
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15:11<dli>centyx, no, I don't want to touch my .xinitrc, since I have to keep the settings for chinese input
15:11<jespada>hi guys...I need to install jvm 6u17 on debian lenny ..have anyone already try it?
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15:13<dli>jespada, I use icedtea nowadays, so, no more sun-jdk
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15:15<jespada>hmm ok..let me chk..tks dli
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15:16<dli>how do I reset system default language to en_US.UTF-8
15:17<mjt>dpkg-reconfigure locales
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15:17<mjt>it's in /etc/default/locale actually
15:18<dli>mjt, thanks, it's still the same way, that's good
15:18<mjt>or /etc/default/environment (deprecated?)
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15:18<dli>mjt, I need to get rid of the continuous errors: perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings
15:19<mjt>you'll have to build the data files for the locale in question
15:19<mjt>for it to stop complaining
15:19<mjt>also LANG= /some/where/command...
15:19<mjt>or unset LANG
15:20<mjt>(for a given xterm etc)
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15:28<ludwig>I would like to install VirtualBox (from Sun) on a amd64 System, but it compains about version symbols ...
15:29<flyeng4>any ideas on why brasero cannot see a blank cd-r?
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15:31<ludwig>Could it be the different gcc-versions used to compile the kernel (4.3.9) and the modules (4.4), like complained by the nv binary driver on my notebook?
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15:50<Father0fNine>So what's the secret word to get Dpkg to give the installation steps to X?
15:51<petemc>install x
15:51<Father0fNine>hmm.. thanks
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15:51<centyx>Father0fNine: just X?
15:52<ajensen>can someone help me with atftpd remaping
15:52<ml|>Father0fNine: if you want more info on X as dpkg .. xstrikeforce
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15:53<Father0fNine>ml: Just want my X to work... thought maybe it wasn't fully installed .. during the install. Turns out not the case so I have more work to do.
15:54<ml|>the above can help you
15:54<Father0fNine>I think it's hardware at this point.
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15:54<centyx>cool. I didn't know xorg was a meta package. I've been apt-get installing individual packages.
15:55<centyx>then again, that installs *all* the xservers
15:55<centyx>and other stuff
15:55<centyx>so maybe not so great
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15:56<ml|>Father0fNine: have looked you at the /var/log/Xorg.0.log
15:57<ml|>centyx: yes it installs a lot of stuff you may not need; aptitude in ncurses comes in handy for such packages
15:58<Father0fNine>ml: last message is "Fatal server error: lockup" ... which is why I think hardware... something to do with I830WaitLpRing
15:59<mjt>that's driver error
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15:59<mjt>most likely
16:01<Father0fNine>X driver, right? Not kernel...
16:02<ml|>also, maybe checking bts might help
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16:03<Father0fNine>I think I'm going to upgrade to Testing before I delve to deeply into it.
16:03<mjt>well, main video drivers nowadays have 2 components - one half is in kernel and another is in x
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16:04<mjt>("main" = intel/ati/nvidia)
16:04<Father0fNine>oh... crap then. I was hoping I'd not have to roll a kernel... haven't done that in a long time.
16:04<mjt>see dmesgg
16:05<nathan>someone can explain me why my svn server is incontact remains outside as my 3690 tcp port is opened on my box and the port is "ACCEPT" on my iptables script
16:06<nathan>i write a rules like : iptables -I INPUT -p tcp --dport 3690 -j ACCEPT
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16:07<nathan>and i'm sure the problem come from my firewall rules cause when i set the INPUT chain on ACCEPT by default, everything work
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16:08<dli>nathan, to test, try to open it all: iptables -i eth0 -j ACCEPT, iptables -o eth0 -j ACCEPT, etc
16:08<dli>nathan, maybe, iptables -F, first
16:09<ml|>Father0fNine: I doubt the kernel is the issue, I would check bts for your driver first
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16:10<nathan>dli, autorize all the trafic on my local network?
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16:11<nathan>cause my wireless interface is eth1
16:11<dli>nathan, better to test it on LAN
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16:11<nathan>dli, sure but i don t understand why i should do it
16:14<mjt>nathan: try connecting and see if the packet counter for that rule increases.
16:15<mjt>that's actually a usual way to debug iptables rules
16:15<nathan>ok, no problem, i'm just asking to try to understand what i do
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16:19<nathan>i have added "iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -j ACCEPT" but without succes
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16:19<nathan>this command svn co svn:// doesn't return anything
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16:20<nathan>and seems to loop on something
16:21<adb> ping to works ?
16:21<max__>Hi, I have an older motherboard -M7VIG-400- does exist some driver for Debian ??
16:25<titan8990>max__: motherboards have multiple componants that require drives. which are you having a problem with?
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16:25<max__>thanks for reply . . .I need video driver
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16:26<titan8990>max__: what kind of video card does it have?
16:26<simonrvn>"comme tirer les vers du nez"
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16:28<max__>is video onboard and says: unichrome 2D
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16:30<adb>max__, /msg dpkg unichrome
16:30<titan8990>good to see someone had heard of that... I was going to recommend vesa
16:31<nathan>adb, so ping work, what does that mean?
16:31<titan8990>max__: that should "just work"
16:31<ml|>I was about to recommend vesa as well, if could not a native driver for that
16:31<max__>sorry . . .Im newbie in linux :-(
16:31<titan8990>well, its an opensource xorg driver so hal should load it just fine. no configuration needed
16:32<nabbfjun>I'm having a bit of trouble with a server running Debian... I can only access it though ssh, and every time I type a command utilizing the hard drive everything freezes. Sometimes "ls" takes 10 seconds, sometimes it never complete. Heard of anything similar?
16:32<adb>nathan, not to much, just that it is alive
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16:32<ml|>actually openchrome seems to be the open one
16:33<titan8990>ml|: says that it is xserver-xorg-video-via in lenny
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16:34<max__>ok, what I must be do ?
16:34<ml|>ok, but openchrome says something else
16:35<ml|>dpkg: openchrome
16:35<dpkg>The OpenChrome project develops free and open source drivers for the VIA UniChrome video chipsets. Packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-openchrome. Post-Lenny, xserver-xorg-video-via is a transitional package to the OpenChrome driver; amend or remove your Driver line in /etc/X11/xorg.conf (via -> openchrome) if explicitly set. #unichrome on
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16:35<titan8990>ml|: your right, I missed the word "transitional"
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16:36<ml|>I do that a lot somethines ;)
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16:37<ml|>sheesh sometimes
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16:39<Guest693>hi all . who to limit network bandwidth ?
16:39<adb>max__, i take the risk to tell you to install debian on that mb ..
16:40<titan8990>QOS, best done in routing equipment, not clients
16:40<adb> i'll*
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16:40<adb>Guest693, and ask in #sidux
16:41<nostmith>max__, or atleast try a live debian cd/usb and see if is working
16:42<max__>ok, TY to all . . .I will try to do some changes ;-)
16:42<nathan>if someone want to take a look at my iptables script to try to solve my problem... i realy don't understand. #!/bin/bash
16:42<nathan>$IPTABLES -P INPUT DROP
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16:43<simonrvn>oh thank goodness
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16:53<Guest693>nathan , who to limit with iptables ?
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16:59<Father0fNine>is snmpd the daemon that will listen for alerts sent via snmp from other devices or does it only listen for requests for informatoin and then shell it out?
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17:00<Father0fNine>Never mind. I'm so blind some times
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17:10<Guest693>whats this problem : No valid Qt version set. Set one in Tools/Options
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17:28<gin>nathan, What do yo want to do?
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17:31<eightyeight>uhm, nathan got kicked. almost an hour ago
17:31<eightyeight>tab completion in irc clients is a wonderful thing
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17:47<sch5>hola q tal
17:48<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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17:49<dbldtx>glibc-headers, what's the equiv in Squeeze?
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17:53<ml|>dbldtx: looking for the package that's in?
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17:54<dbldtx> -- I can't quite make sense of this, looking over it now
17:55<dbldtx>I've got it... I mean it says libc6-dev has headers...
17:55<dbldtx>I am just going to try installing this and it may not even need the libc6-dev package.
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17:56<FAME>yo guys what sup
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17:57<Nemoder>How do I prevent X from using my joystick as a mouse input device? :/
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18:04<Scynix>Hello all. I was hoping someone might suggest a place I could get a firmer understanding of proper, secure partitioning for a server. I've been reading the debian secure server guide, and the file system hierarchy standard, but I have a lot of unanswered questions, such as what requirements specific folders (/bin/ for example) would have. I've setup a LAMP server before, with redhat/fedora core, and am trying my hand at debian, but
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18:09<Faratl>Can someone tell me whats the difference between virtual box OSE and non-OSE
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18:13<jurrehart>Faratl: appart from telling you OSE is the Open Source Edition I can't tell you much more
18:13<adb>making it short, virtualbox-ose don't support usb
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18:14<jurrehart>found a page that could help you ->
18:14<ml|>VirtualBox Open Source Edition (OSE) is packaged for Debian and supported, non-ose uses another license and not supported and the above
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18:22<Filter>Where is the world ?
18:22<linuxist>fck ya
18:22<linuxist>im the tux :P
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18:23<Filter>i love tux xDD
18:23<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
18:23<dbldtx>Why don't you guys PM each other about male formal attire?
18:24<Filter>Sorry, i'm french and i don't understand you ?
18:24<linuxist>then me same
18:24<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
18:24<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
18:24<Filter>ty ;)
18:25<linuxist>how to install damn cube on debian lenny??
18:25<eligos>where ken i get hlp in svedish?
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18:26<linuxist>I tried but no chances
18:26<dpkg>Svensktalande debian-användare hittar du i på FreeNode (, SE is also the ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 code for Sweden, it was included in the standard 1974.
18:26<linuxist>пашли все на хуй факелы!
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18:28<bja>!tell linuxist about ru
18:28<linuxist>what exactly about ru??
18:29<dbldtx>linuxist; is another type of Cube you may want. Check your PMs and stop hitting enter so often.
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18:31<KnuckleSangwich>Trying to update my vmstat package to monitor CPU steal time (ST) but not sure where to get the latest update for the systools package. Already running from the testing repo, any ideas on how I can updage properly?
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18:33<linuxist>okay I'll try to choose smthg ty
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18:43<KnuckleSangwich>Anything thoughts about my vmstat question above? Trying to get it to show ST (cpu steal time)
18:44<Scynix>I would like to have a better understanding of file structure on Debian/*nix in general. Does anyone have a suggestion of reading material? The FHS explains a lot of my questions about -what- they did, but not -why-.
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18:47<valdyn>Scynix: ask a specific question
18:47<bzed>Scynix: I guess why asks for a look into some book about the history of unix or so. I'm doing linux suff since 15 years or so now, and I've never seen an explanation why it is usr and not USER or something else
18:47<bzed>Scynix: or what do you exactly want to know?
18:47<valdyn>Scynix: everything in the fhs pays huge tribute to "tradition" too, so the why isnt that relevant
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18:51<Scynix>Well, essentially, I started on *nix because I wanted to host a site. That was years ago. I got dns/web/php everything running, but now I recognize how little I actually knew and how lucky I was it actually worked. Now I'm installing a debian server. The securing debian guide says you should do proper partitioning, but for example, it says to move static data to a partitiono n it's own. Would /bin/ be considered static? I have a lot
18:51<valdyn>oh, not even dpkg knows it =/
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18:52<bzed>Scynix: I think you need a spliline plugin :)
18:52<bzed>static? I have a lot << there it was cut off
18:52<valdyn>Scynix: they are referring to user modifiable vs user non-modifiable or config vs not-config
18:52<valdyn>Scynix: nothing is static if you include software updates
18:53<Scynix>Valdyn: Yeah, that's one reason I was very confused by the "intelligent partitioning" section.
18:53<Scynix>I don't have a firm understand of pretty much anything *nix related, so I'm trying to teach myself, but it's ... a bit overwhelming, especially in light of how little I actually knew the first time.
18:53<valdyn>Scynix: partitioning is typically advised in a way that just gets in the way
18:54<valdyn>Scynix: that means that unless you know *exactly* what your needs are , dont bother doing fancy stuff
18:54<dpkg>[kiss] Keep It Simple Stupid!!!
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18:54<mikyra>maybe this is about read only vs. read write mounted filesystems?
18:55<valdyn>Scynix: as an admin you can keep admin-only writable areas read-only till you want to install software
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18:55<valdyn>Scynix: but that isnt really a huge benefit
18:55<Faratl>I downloaded virtual box and made a machine for windows Xp and everytime I start it up it says,"no bootable media found." Any suggestions?
18:56<Scynix>valdyn: so essentailly since I'm still learning I should allow debian to create the single partition, and play from there?
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18:56<valdyn>or its frankly just silly unless you have a *hardware* ro switch
18:56<valdyn>Scynix: no, well, youre a beginner, but you already know about /home for instance
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18:56<Scynix>valdyn: Yeah. I have some understanding, just a lot of .. giant, gaping holes in it. haha
18:57<valdyn>Scynix: so you can know that its good to have a seperate /home for easier reinstalls
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18:57<valdyn>Scynix: and for a www server your /var/www/ on a seperate partition, again for easier reinstalls
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18:58<Scynix>valdyn: I think that's another thing I don't understand. If I have /var/www/ on a seperate partition, doesn't that inherently mean the entire /var/ is on that partition, as well?
18:58<valdyn>Scynix: no, any diretory can be a mount point
18:58<mikyra>scynix: both options are possible, right.
18:59<Scynix>I think I used DOS and windows for too long.
18:59<valdyn>Scynix: you already know enough to seperate your application data from programs
18:59<valdyn>Scynix: thats already a decent setup
18:59<valdyn>Scynix: security people also easily get on the paranoid side ;)
19:00<valdyn>Scynix: or security is not useful where it gets in the way or where users are "forced" to work around it
19:00<Scynix>valdyn: I've noticed that haha. I've been reading a lot of security related sites over the past few days trying to understand it, and it just made more questions.
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19:01<valdyn>Scynix: in my experience security is useless without understanding precisely
19:01<valdyn>Scynix: thats for the admin *and* for users
19:02<Scynix>I'd like to ask a really simple question. When I use a package install, and the package installs things to whever they go- is there a way for me to know exactly where they went? A lot of the times I follow a "installation instructions" for something, and end up having no idea why the config files ended up where they did.
19:02<valdyn>Scynix: dpkg -L packagename
19:02<Supaplex>Scynix: provided you're installing debian packages (valdyn's suggestion)
19:02<valdyn>Scynix: 3rd party packages are commonly evil
19:02<Scynix>I get that impression.
19:03<valdyn>Scynix: done by ignorant people
19:04<valdyn>Scynix: thats the same everwhere, windows, macos, everywhere
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19:04<valdyn>Scynix: i still see plenty apps that need admin rights to *run* on windows
19:04<Scynix>valdyn: Yeah.. such a lovely operating system.
19:04<valdyn>Scynix: just that its not the os fault in that case....
19:05<Scynix>valdyn: No, but I have (maybe a strange?) opinion that a poorly constructed room leads to a portly arranged room. If your OS is sloppy, I have a feeling the app makers won't be trying to hard to be clean.
19:05<valdyn>Scynix: true
19:06<Supaplex>sloppyness is just the norm for business in that case. =)
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19:07<mezimezim>hi! Any idea how to reduce the size of icons in Gnumeric?
19:07<Scynix>Thanks for all your help guys, things are a little clearer for me now.
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19:14<ml|>Scynix: /msg dpkg reference for better understanding of debian and some basics ; also /msg dpkg grounding and anything you want info on from dpkg in <>
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19:17<mikyra>mezimezim: afaik icon sizes in gtk apps are defined globally in your gtk-theme
19:18<karmic>i have a problem
19:19<karmic>could somebody helme?
19:19<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
19:19<mikyra>mezimezim: maybe setting GTK2_RC_FILES to a theme with smaller icon sizes prior to starting gnumeric will solve your problem.
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19:21<Supaplex>that'll be $430
19:21<bja>!es-social karmic
19:21<dpkg>karmic: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
19:22<Supaplex>isn't karmic an ubuntu or mint release?
19:22<dbldtx>Karmic Koala, Ubuntu
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19:22<ml|>ubuntu, but could just be a nick
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19:22<Supaplex>could be. ident made me wonder. no biggie, they'll sort it out.
19:23<karmic>im running ubuntu 9.10, im using virtual box to emule backtrack 4, my problem is that i cant rezize the screen, im trying to reconfigure xorg.conf but i dont know how
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19:23<titan8990>karmic: neither are debian problems
19:23<dbldtx>Ah, that's well documented, read this:
19:23<bja>titan8990: do the honors please
19:23<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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19:23<dpkg>debian is probably See
19:23-!-mode/#debian [-q *!*@] by ChanServ
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19:25<linuxist>what is better debian or gentoo
19:25<ml|>dpkg: start a distro war
19:25<dpkg>Gentoo is responsible for global warming.
19:25<titan8990>linuxist: your asking an opinionated question in a channel naturally biased to one side
19:25<dbldtx>Obvious troll is obvious.
19:25<bremner_>linuxist: this is not an advocacy channel.
19:25<titan8990>!gentoosmite linuxist
19:25*dpkg spends 8 days recompiling linuxist, and when it's all done, linuxist runs no faster than previously
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19:26<dbldtx>dpkg: start a distro war
19:26<dpkg>Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'.
19:27<themill>linuxist: try ##linux on if you want distro comparisons.
19:27<titan8990>the answer is: slackware
19:27<bja>titan8990: isn't it lfs?
19:29<dr|z3d>bja: did i hear you say i2fs, or was i just hallucinating?
19:29*dr|z3d winks.
19:29<titan8990>bja: no!
19:30<linuxist>guys I have problems with graphic... when I try google earth or games but not all such as neverball it slows the screens
19:30<Supaplex>money can fix that
19:30<linuxist>I have good laptop
19:31<linuxist>1.6 dual core, 1.3 Gb of ram, 120gb of hdd
19:31<linuxist>ahh and 256 mb video
19:31<Supaplex>what resolution? takes effort to push all them pixels around.
19:31<linuxist>I think my 3d modules aren't installed properly
19:32<Supaplex>doesn't seem too high. what video card make and model is in use?
19:32<linuxist>everything is fine as well... but some games and what contains 3d slows..
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19:33<linuxist>lsmod output?
19:34<Supaplex>lsmod -nn | grep -i vga
19:35<Supaplex>sorry, lspci, not lsmod. :)
19:35<linuxist>debian:/home/linuxist# lspci
19:35<linuxist>00:00.0 Host bridge: ATI Technologies Inc Device 5a31 (rev 01)
19:35<linuxist>00:01.0 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc RS480 PCI Bridge
19:35<linuxist>00:04.0 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc RS480 PCI Bridge
19:35<linuxist>00:05.0 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc RS480 PCI Bridge
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19:36<Supaplex>fail. :)
19:37<ml|>guess he did not understand
19:37<emopart>i hardly understand
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19:37<linuxist>fck I've been just kicked
19:37<emopart>i hardly understand
19:37<linuxist>cos of flood
19:37<dbldtx>You came in here at the SAME time as the other guy about two hours ago, he was one of the two pasting Russian. Obvious troll is obvious.
19:37<Supaplex>lspci -nn | grep -i vga
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19:38<linuxist>lol ok
19:38<Supaplex>should only be one line of output
19:38<emopart>unles you have two display adaptors
19:39<linuxist>01:05.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200M] [1002:5a62]
19:39<Supaplex>should !== must
19:39<Supaplex>judd: pciid 1002:5a62
19:39<judd>[1002:5a62] is 'RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200M]' from 'ATI Technologies Inc' with kernel modules 'ati-agp', 'radeonfb' in lenny. See also and the out-of-tree 'fglrx' module.
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19:40<linuxist>as I understood I need a firmware for 3d accelerator
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19:40<Supaplex>i'm not ATI savvy, as I have nvidia/intel instead on my machines.
19:41<mikyra>you'll have to use the proprietary driver to get better performance
19:42<linuxist>hmmm via wine program?
19:42<ml|>dpkg: fglrx
19:42<dpkg>[fglrx] "FireGL and Radeon for X", the AMD/ATI proprietary display driver. As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the R600 series are supported; ask me about <radeon> or <radeonhd> instead. The fglrx-driver version in <testing> supports Xorg 7.5 (Xserver 1.7). #ati on
19:42<linuxist>I'll try to look out at
19:42<mikyra>linxist: as already said fglrx is the driver you should go for
19:42<linuxist>for the module..
19:43<linuxist>aaa ok
19:43<linuxist>I'm stupid then
19:44<linuxist>aptitude install fglrx?
19:44<linuxist>hmm.. done
19:44<ml|>linuxist: read what dpkg just said
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19:46<mikyra>linuxist: add non-free repository to /etc/apt/sources.list
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19:47<mikyra>linuxist: linuxist: aptitude update && aptitude install fglrx-modules-2.6-$(uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,') fglrx-control fglrx-driver
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19:49<linuxist>lol how to pm here? ...
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19:50<ml|>no pm
19:50<dpkg>NO, we will NOT help you in private! Ask your question in the channel so that others can help. Don't send private messages to people asking for help, either, or you will be /ignore'd.
19:50<linuxist>kk :D
19:51<linuxist>I just was woundering nvm!
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19:57<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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20:12<linuxist>thank YOU guys!
20:12<linuxist>I <3 you
20:12<linuxist>now all my games run pretty good
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20:12<linuxist>I have good mood, bye!
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20:29<bighornram>aptitude wants to remove enigmail with icedove 3 upgrade. is it best to just wait for enigmail package to be moved to squeeze before accepting icedove upgrade?
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20:42<dondelelcaro>bremner_: assuming you want enigmail, yes
20:42<Scynix>This may sound obvious but, is the best way to setup a server, to do an expert install and manually pick each package, even if I don't have a firm understanding of all the packages and/or independencies?
20:42<Scynix>Is there a decent way to be able to get information about each package as I go through the list? I've been using but it lacks a lot of... specifics.
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20:42<dondelelcaro>Scynix: generally, you just pick the ones that you need, and don't worry too much about the dependencies, etc.
20:42<ml|>dondelelcaro: wrog nick he left
20:42<ml|>wrong even
20:42*bremner_ blinks sleepily
20:43<Scynix>thanks dondelelcaro.
20:43*Supaplex sneakily swaps bremner_'s drink with a RockStar energy drink
20:43<dondelelcaro>Scynix: but if you're using aptitude or similar, you can view the complete discriptions, which has all of the information on the package. (you can also use apt-get show foopkg)
20:43<dondelelcaro>Scynix: np
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20:44<dondelelcaro>Scynix: and you can always add or remove packages later as you decide that you need or don't need them, so it's not important to get it exactly right the first time
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20:45<ml|>Scynix: also man aptitude and aptitude why[-not] are helpful among other things
20:45<Supaplex>provided you don't see "Yes, I'm willing to completely break my system: (yes/no)"
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20:46<ml|>that's a good point read what aptitude tells you
20:46<Supaplex>if you see that kind of prompt, choose wisely :)
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20:46<Scynix>haha, thanks. That's all helpful. I appreciate it. Well, obviously Supaplex, you always pick Yes.
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21:23<twigga>atleast that asshole from freenode abrotman isnt here.
21:23<twigga>how are you fellows doing this fine evening?
21:23*handheldCar likes abrotman.
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21:23<twigga>to each their own, handheldCar
21:24<twigga>he banns me in the offtopic debian channel for talking about beer.
21:24<twigga>personally, offtopic means to me...any topic not dealing with debian.
21:24*twigga shrug
21:25<twigga>anyway, how are you fellows doing today?
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21:27<Scynix>twigga: My brain is slowly oozing out of my head but otherwise well. You?
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21:35<twigga>Scynix: drinking some fine beers, working on developing a website for my small irc network on my desktop before i upload it to my dedi...i need to learn wordpress.
21:36<twigga>thats running on my own desktop before i upload it to my dedi since my dedi runs lenny and i run squeeze...the dedi will obviously be getting an upgrade soon and i want to be able to just upload the website with no problems...
21:36<twigga>it needs content.
21:36<twigga>wordpress is neat.
21:36<twigga>i just need to learn it.
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21:38<twigga>Scynix: sorry to hear about your brain, dont let it all fall out.
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21:49<Scynix>twigga: Unfortunately I can't pull up external websites here, sorry. I appreciate that, I'll find a cork. Reading the debian reference I was linked earlier to try to learn the basics I missed when I cobbled together my first server.
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21:50<Scynix>twigga: Unfortunately I know about half of it so far so my eyes are crossing.
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21:56<twigga>but seriously, im just getting into web design... i want comments on
21:56<twigga>and if thres a problem, i need to know the resolutions you use..
21:56<twigga>it looks fine to me using 1280x1024
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---Logclosed Wed Apr 21 00:00:01 2010