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00:19<twigga> - my latest beer photo and review.
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00:21<Mario>TCW: I read policy in the apt-cache manual. I suppose those priorities are calculated automagically by aptitude. right?
00:22<TCW>Mario, "calculated"? It is just a matter of comparing version numbers.
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00:23<Mario>oh, sorry, decided. I'm arriving from math class.
00:23<Mario>and English is my second language so I was thinking in Spanish (:
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00:26<linux-fox>when i build a virtualhost in my server , a error message : [warn] NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts
00:27<linux-fox>NameVirtualHost *:80
00:27<linux-fox><VirtualHost *:80> ...... </VirtualHost>
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00:43<twigga>fucking iceweasel
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00:43<twigga>cant get rid of it..i need to build my own damn debs to get rid of it ...for java, midori, and flash...
00:43<twigga>otherwise ill end up with two damn browsers when i only need one.
00:44<twigga>what a crock of shit.
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00:49*dr|z3d is sure there's a support request in there _somewhere_
00:51<vAlfred8>hey guys, i have a problem. my monitor can't process signal from gnome. i cant work whith graphical environment. please help!
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00:53<amitz>vAlfred8: defines signal.
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00:57<vAlfred8>amitz: on the monitor appears some text "can't process signal".
00:58<amitz>are you the cable is ok?
01:00<vAlfred8>amitz: äà, ñ cable âñå õîðîøî
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01:01<vAlfred8>amitz: Yes, with the cable all is well
01:01<amitz>text mode (the writing before booting is displayable), right?
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01:02<amitz>what debian? perhaps the xorg.conf force an unsupported resolution.
01:02<EmleyMoor>I have a bunch of files which have names that begin like this: word-word-otherword... How can I remove the first word-? The first two words are the same.
01:03<vAlfred8>amitz: how do I change the resolution of the console?
01:04<cahoot>EmleyMoor: rename 's/^word//' ?
01:05<amitz>vAlfred8: somewhere in xorg.conf, pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf, someone might be able to help you
01:06<EmleyMoor>cahoot: Wonderful - didn't know about rename
01:06<jm_>EmleyMoor: mmv, prename, ...
01:06<vAlfred8>amitz: thanks
01:08<linux-fox> when i build a virtualhost in my server , a error message : [warn] NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts
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01:15<TCW>vAlfred8, what graphic card / display do you have there?
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01:19<vAlfred8>TCW: nVidia 9800 GT/ 19-inch extension 1440x900
01:19<TCW>vAlfred8, crt or tft?
01:21<vAlfred8>TCW: tft
01:21<jm_>vAlfred8: which driver are you using?
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01:22<TCW>vAlfred8, dvi or cga?
01:23<TCW>vga even
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01:26<twigga>new beer photo and review!
01:26<dpkg>A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. Please join #debian-offtopic
01:26<twigga>beer and irc go hand in hand.
01:26<twigga>like peas and carrots.
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01:26<Rapsodius>Hi! I have the following situation: I'm on computer X now, and I ssh to computer Y, from computer Y, I ssh again into computer Z, this is necessary because Z is on its own Lan, and Y can access that lan, but not X, so the problem is I want to do Xorg forwarding, but computer Y has no Xorg server and so ssh -X is fruitless, and I want to ssh directly from X to Z and forward Xorg applications. Is it possible?
01:26<sney>it's a support channel. you're already in the ot channel.
01:28<sney>Rapsodius: yes, probably... with ssh tunnelling.
01:28<Rapsodius>tell me how
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01:28<Rapsodius>I' m not that good at ssh'ing
01:29<sney>google it, there are lots of ssh tunnelling howtos
01:29<sney>probably even one for your specific situation
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01:29<vAlfred8>jm_: I have not had time to select the driver
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01:31<jm_>vAlfred8: try using nvidia driver
01:31<sney>vAlfred8: the free driver can't really support higher resolutions, you'll need the nvidia one. Debian has a pretty straightforward way of installing it that supports upgrades. /msg dpkg nvidia
01:31<sney>or just see
01:32<vAlfred8>jm_: sney: I could not, because there is no permanent Internet
01:33<jm_>vAlfred8: you seem to have it now
01:34<vAlfred8>jm_: is another pc
01:34<jm_>vAlfred8: sure, so transfer it via USB or whatever
01:35<amitz>vAlfred8: you can use vesa driver instead, or something generic. You need to ask others or google about it though, not really familiar.
01:35<amitz>for temporary measure, but not really recommended.
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01:35<twigga>i always install the nvidia drivers from
01:36<twigga>the debian nvidia drivers are old and give poor performance.
01:36<sney>please don't suggest unsupported solutions in the official support channel, twigga.
01:37<twigga>sney: im sorry, but its true, and you know it. the debian nvidia drivers in apt are old and are lacking in performance compared to the drivers installed from which is quite easy to do.
01:38<sney>twigga: please take your complaints to the offtopic channel. this is not where they go.
01:38<twigga>i wasnt complaining, i was offering a better solution than you did.
01:38<jm_>except that people here will tell you how to install a newer version in about 3 minutes
01:38<jm_>no you weren't
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01:39<twigga>sure, lets go install a year old nvidia driver for a new card that will run like crap.....or you can go to and get the new drivers and get better performance..
01:39<twigga>you lose.
01:39<vAlfred8>amitz: May be edit xorg.conf?
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01:41<amitz>vAlfred8: that's one alternative if you really need it to work asap, but I'm a bit pressed with time, you need to google or ask :-)
01:43<vAlfred8>amitz: ok. thanks
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01:49<CQ>what's teh best way to make encrypted backups? encrypt the entire external partition, use ecryptfs like ubuntu does for their home directories, or just a truecrypt file container?
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01:53<Amanda-B>i've got a technically-challenged user who needs to be able to create tarballs, preferably through a right-click in konqueror, or sub-optimally through a gui of some sort. does anyone know of such software?
01:54<jm_>how about some archive manager then?
01:54<Rapsodius>Amanda-B: IIRC, konqueror can compress on the fly through right clicking
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01:54<jm_>it has that in konq-plugins apparently
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01:55<Amanda-B>throwing that on, let's see where it goes. ty.
01:56<Amanda-B>i dislike gui-bound users who insist on spaces in their filenames.
01:57<jm_>in the old days they were limited to 8.3 and now they go berserk with spaces, dashes, non-ascii chars and so on
01:57<Amanda-B>"oh you just tar it up." yeah. tar -cvf 0\ 0\ z\ z\ my\ stupid\ 0\ 0\ filename.crap
01:58<Amanda-B>well she wants me to download stuff for her but our bandwidth has recently taken a big hit, sooooo ... bzipped tarballs are going to be required as soon as i can teach her to do it.
02:00<Amanda-B>hmm. it'll do tar.gz, not tar.bz2.
02:00<OdyX>Amanda-B: there's "ark" for this
02:01<Amanda-B>ah there it is. i wonder if i can change that.
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02:08<Amanda-B>is there a way to change ark's temp dir?
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02:08<Amanda-B>cuz some of the shit she downloads is going to blow my temp dir
02:13<Zomb>Amanda-B: spaces in filenames are always to be expected. If you don't like this simple fact, use a frontend (like unp) or fix everything you get under your fingers (with detox or similar tools)
02:13<Amanda-B>at the moment i need a way to configure ark's temp directory. $TEMP is about it i guess?
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02:14<Zomb>in winDOS? yes. Otherwise use "$TMPDIR" or /tmp
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02:15<Rapsodius>sney: actually tried what was in this page: and when I load 'xeyes' for testing the thing, it stays there, no Ãotput on xterm, and no funny eyes window appearing
02:15<Amanda-B> ... /tmp is on a partition that's got about 10g free. if she tries to dump something into ark that's 50g it'll blow in her face and i'll have to clean the jizz off.
02:17<Zomb>that's live. You could play BOFH and use a filesystem with quotas for /tmp.
02:17<Zomb>eh, life
02:18<Amanda-B>i may just write a script instead. tar delete a directory after archive? or does that have to be manual?
02:19<MeglaW_>sorry, i dont remember, can someone remind my whatever that program that checked dependencies and piped out a list of unused dependencies so one can remove them?
02:19<jm_>Rapsodius: use built-in ssh X11 forwarding
02:19<jm_>MeglaW_: deborphan but aptitude can also do this
02:20<Zomb>recent apt also does this but deborphan is better
02:20<MeglaW_>ah deborphan is the one i wanted
02:20<MeglaW_>i forgot its name
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02:26<Amanda-B>hmm. i didn't realize this is a 64-bit machine.
02:27<Rapsodius>jm_: what?
02:27<jm_>Rapsodius: man ssh, look for -X
02:27<sney>jm_: he's using 3 machines, ssh -X doesn't seem to apply
02:27<Rapsodius>jm_: that works if Y has Xorg, but it doesn't
02:28<jm_>sney: that's irrelevant
02:28<Rapsodius>I tried ssh -L 2222:Z:22 B
02:28<Rapsodius>ssh -X -p 2222 Ãlocalhost
02:28<jm_>Rapsodius: no, it only needs xauth
02:29<Rapsodius>I read that -X flag man page many times, says nothing about xauth
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02:29<Rapsodius>and nothing about multiple servers
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02:32<Rapsodius>did the following, on a xterm I executed ssh -L somelocalport:user@Z:22 Y
02:32<Rapsodius>then on another xterm: ssh -X -p somelocalport localhost
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02:33<Rapsodius>after issuing the second command, I get an error on both xterms
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02:34<Rapsodius>the first one, with a remote to machine Y, says "channel 3: open failed: administratively prohibited: open failed"
02:35<Rapsodius>the second one, on my computer says "ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host"
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02:36<Rapsodius>so I am totally puzzled here with what to do next
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02:37<mjt>-L somelocalport:user ?
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02:39<Rapsodius>mjt: read the whole: somelocalport:user@Z (Z is the last machine in the chain)
02:40<mjt>-L [bind_address:]port:host:hostport
02:40<mjt>there's no user
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02:41<minux>hello. I am trying to ping a computer connected by a crossover cable. When I try to ping it, it pings using my wireless card. How do I ping with ethernet card? thx
02:42<Rapsodius>mjt: YEAH!! worked like a charm! thanks for that tip
02:42<mjt>it's not a tip
02:42<mjt>it's in the manpage
02:43<Rapsodius>however since my local user name and remote user name differs, I thought host included the possibility of ÂÃ'user@ip' but I was wrong
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02:44<mjt>before, people had working ethernet and were asking how to set up wifi. Nowadays, they have working wifi automatically and are asking how to set up ethernet.... ;)
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02:45<mjt>minux: assign two different IP addresses to the both host's ethernet interfaces, both from _another_ network, and ping that
02:46<mjt>minux: you'll have to use static ip addresses there since there's no dhcp server running in a crossover-connected ethernet segment.
02:46<jm_>minux: try using -I switch or fix routing
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02:46<mjt>um, may also work, but i doubt it will
02:46<Rapsodius>however: awww is slow as hell so anything like setting frameskip so It has to download less packages?
02:46<mjt>because the other side will send replies over wifi still
02:47<centyx>so did aptitude replace dselect?
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02:47<centyx>no, i see it's still there
02:47<minux>mjt, I have already assigned IPs to my windows PC( and my linux pc( and netmask
02:47<mjt>centyx: the co-exist nicely, as far as i can see... :)
02:47<jm_>centyx: no, dselect still exists
02:47<amitz>centyx: aptitude is the inteface for dselect
02:48<mjt>amitz: what?
02:48<amitz>interface for dsleect
02:48<minux>I can ping from windows. Im just curious how I would do it from linux. been reading the ping man but its not making sense to me.
02:48<mjt>amitz: it works without dselect just fine
02:48<amitz>what? ok, that's new knowledge to me.
02:49<mjt>amitz: ditto for the reverse, dselect works just fine w/o aptitude
02:49<mjt>amitz: maybe you're confusing dselect and dpkg?
02:49<centyx>how long as aptitude been around? i don't remember using it in slink/potato/woody
02:49<amitz>hmm.. probably mjt.
02:50<mjt>minux: so ping that, it should work right
02:50<centyx>perhaps I just never knew it existed.
02:51<centyx>it must have been there - the description says it's y2k compliant
02:51<minux>mjt, no. It is using my wireless card to ping, I know this because I can ping other roommates computers through wireless network. I am trying to figure out how to ping my laptop connected by a crossover cable.
02:51<minux>been scratching my head at this for awhile now...
02:51<mjt>from linux: ping
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02:53<minux>okay... now its working. Ive been doing that for about 20 mins.
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02:53<minux>thanks mjt
02:55<mjt>minux: if you're curious, read the networking howto
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02:55<mjt>minux: about how the network works. It's actually very simple: ip addresses and routes are the basics, there's no magic.
02:58<stl>does anyone know the command to restrict users from going into each others home directories? I can't seem to recall what it is now
02:58<mjt>on the home directory of each user in question
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02:59<mjt>or use any file manager (as that user)
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02:59<stl>I remember it loaded up a setup thing that asked if you want to always allow this or not, and it applies that to the next time a home user is created
02:59<stl>yeah, I've tried chmod 777 on the directories but it's not working for some reason
02:59<mjt>not working?
02:59<mjt>define "not working"
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02:59<mjt>by "777" you allow to _modify_ the file to _anyone_
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03:00<mjt>(the directory in this context)
03:00<stl>I set up some virtualhosts for apache and pointed them to some directories in /home but it won't work for some odd reason
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03:00<gsimmons>stl: You're probably thinking of adduser's debconf question (dpkg-reconfigure adduser).
03:00<mjt>yeah it's adduser - i were checking if it's it or passwd :)
03:01<mjt>define "wont't work"
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03:01<stl>oh god, thank you
03:01<stl>I hope this works now
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03:03<minux>mjt, where is this howto?
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03:06<mjt>minux: ;)
03:08<minux>mjt, thx
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03:09<mjt>or actually any document describing the networking basics
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03:10<mjt>eve this one (also found by google) will do:
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03:27<EmleyMoor>I'm trying to install linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.4-amd64 on my laptop but linux-base post-installation script is returning error 9 - any advice?
03:28<mjt>post whole thing to the pastebin
03:28<gsimmons>EmleyMoor: Known issue with linux-base, see the backports-users mailing list. Use bpo.3.
03:28<EmleyMoor>gsimmons: Ah, thanks
03:28<EmleyMoor>Looking to get the newer kernel on my desktop too - to see if it helps this silly USB problem
03:28<Amanda-B>gah i wish i knew how to do loops in bash :-(
03:29<EmleyMoor>Amanda-B: What kind of loops?
03:29<Amanda-B>eg, directory listing, iterative operation on each item
03:29<Amanda-B>i suck at puzzling that crap out
03:30<EmleyMoor>Do you need an example worked out?
03:30<Amanda-B>mostly i'm grousing atm
03:30<EmleyMoor>Famous? <g>
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03:32<EmleyMoor>Amanda-B: Famous Grouse <g>
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03:33<Amanda-B>what i want to do is pull a listing of directories (not individual files) ... tar each of them into tarballs of the same name, delete the source files, and bz2 the tarball, in a shell script.
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03:34<Amanda-B>tar will do the delete
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03:37<stego>!ark | Amanda-B
03:38<Amanda-B>stego: shell script.
03:38<EmleyMoor>I am being warned that additional firmware may be required on my laptop with the bpo.3 kernel due to it using iwlagn... is this a concern or can I grab it from somewhere
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03:39<gsimmons>EmleyMoor: It's also on backports, in firmware-iwlwifi.
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03:40<Amanda-B>can ls be forced to display only directories, not files?
03:40<centyx>Amanda-B: find . -maxdepth 1 -type d | while read dir; do tar -cjvf $dir.tar.bz2 $dir; done
03:41<centyx>Amanda-B: that only goes down one level...
03:41<jm_>Amanda-B: yes
03:41<jm_>that's actually a feature of your shell
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03:41<EmleyMoor>gsimmons: Found out how to get it
03:42<Amanda-B>one level is perfect. centyx i'm reading that doesn't remove the directories after they've been tarballed, yes?
03:43<twigga>i have large testicles.
03:43<centyx>Amanda-B: no, sorry, left that out, can be easily added
03:43<centyx>twigga: you're drunk
03:43<Amanda-B>centyx: can sort it, tyvm
03:43<twigga>I shave them also.
03:43<Amanda-B>twigga: sounds like a personal problem. you might ask a doc about elephantitis.
03:43<twigga>when i finish this smoke, my wife will enjoy them once again.
03:44<Amanda-B>i almost got expelled from school, actually, for grafting the picture of a prof onto a pic of a dude with elephantitis of the testicles.
03:44<@Ganneff>twigga: do you have any debian question? if not you are wrrong here, this is not a chat channel.
03:44<centyx>Amanda-B: erm, cute.
03:44<@Ganneff>and same for the rest
03:44<Amanda-B>centyx: we call him Dr. Lockheart ... to his face.
03:44<@Ganneff>chat -> elsewhere. this is debian support
03:45<centyx>Ganneff: got it
03:45<twigga>the size of my penis is proportionate to the size of large testicles..
03:45<twigga>smoke finished
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03:47<Amanda-B>centyx: can i get it to exclude . ?
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03:47<centyx>Amanda-B: man tar, there's an --exclude
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03:49<Amanda-B>no, sorry, unclear. it's a find issue.
03:49<Amanda-B>this creates "..tar.bz2" with inappropriate contents. :-)
03:50<EmleyMoor>Damn, this new kernel leaves me with no wireless and awful sound
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03:53<Amanda-B>centyx: do you see what i'm talking about?
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03:55<centyx>it's including ..
03:57<centyx>use -not
03:58<centyx>ie. find . -maxdepth 1 -type d -not -iname ".."
03:58<Amanda-B>should be "."
03:59<centyx>or ".*" if you can afford to exclude all dot directories
03:59<jm_>'ls -d */' gives dirs only, with decent shells : echo *(/)
04:00<centyx>that works too
04:00<EmleyMoor>Got wireless back
04:01<jm_>actually echo */ in common case
04:01<jm_>so no need for fork
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04:03<Amanda-B>someday my seedbox hosting provider will fix their stupid routing tables and this won't be necessary
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04:04<Amanda-B>fucking 100mb seedbox and i can only download from it at 8k/sec. wtf is up with that nonsense?
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04:06<EmleyMoor>Sound seems OK too - apart from the fact it now buzzes instead of bleeping at gdm
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04:20<Amanda-B>DOH! it doesn't handle directory names with spaces.
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04:21<EmleyMoor>Damn - no easy way to build modules against backported kernels - linux-kbuild for that version not available
04:21<centyx>while read and putting quotes around "$dir etc " should
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04:24<gsimmons>EmleyMoor: linux-kbuild-2.6 has yet to be updated in lenny-backports. You can take linux-kbuild-2.6.32 from testing for the time being.
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04:31<frost>Есть тут кто живой ?
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04:40<Guest839>que es esto??
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04:50<EmleyMoor>nvidia-kernel modules won't build against 2.6.32-bpo.3
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04:52<themill>EmleyMoor: are you using the nvidia drivers from sid?
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04:53<EmleyMoor>No - lenny
04:53<themill>istr lenny's nvidia modules won't build against kernels newer than 2.6.28ish.
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04:55<EmleyMoor>If I can get some guidance on building modules against an installed but not running kernel, I'll try anything
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04:58<themill>EmleyMoor: "m-a -l 2.6.32-bpo.3-686 ..." to build for a different kernel
04:58<EmleyMoor>Ah, right
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05:02<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... I also use kvm and that won't compile either
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05:08<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... this will be a pain to resolve
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05:13<EmleyMoor>Is there a PCI Express graphics card that allows Google Earth to run well and does not need modules built?
05:14<jm_>no, anything needing 3D will need modules
05:15<EmleyMoor>Damn - I cannot prove whether my USB problems are kernel or hardware related until the release of something new enough to cope with it all
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05:18<amitz>some usb device crashes my kernel reliably.
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05:19<EmleyMoor>The devices work on my laptop - just not very well on my desktop
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05:42<jm_>is there a tool which can download .deb files for given architecture and all their dependencies? debget can download named packages for given architecture, but not dependencies
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05:43<jm_>I need this for voncersion of my 32bit install to AMD64 - if not I'll just script it with debget & apt-rdepends
05:44<jm_>conversion too
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05:45<petemc>voncersion, i like it
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06:05<audiist>what afuse is standart command for mount sshfs?
06:05<audiist>sshfs work ok
06:06<audiist>afuse not
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06:08<stels>всем привет
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06:11<mjt>um. Can someone tell me how to install debian kfreebsd port in a few Quick Steps (tm) ?
06:11<mjt>stels: it's #debian-russian. But be prepared they use koi8-r encoding, not utf8...
06:12<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ or use English here.
06:13<mjt>ok, found
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06:42<themill>jm_: apt-walkabout or apt-zip or similar should be able to do that. But it's really just a matter of fiddling with apt preferences
06:42<jm_>themill: thank you
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06:59<Petrol>hi all
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07:08<orion>hello all
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07:09<orion>does someone have a great tutorial about debian?..
07:12<dr|z3d>!fgi orion debian+beginners+user+guide
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07:23<jimmy_>can someone point me to the package containing headers for my kernel?
07:23<jimmy_>im running 2.6.32-trunk
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07:24<icebrain>,versions linux-headers
07:24<judd>Sorry, no package named 'linux-headers' was found.
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07:24<icebrain>,versions linux-headers-2.6-686
07:24<judd>linux-headers-2.6-686 -- etch: 2.6.18+6etch3; etch-security: 2.6.18+6etch3; etch-backports: 2.6.26+17~bpo40+2; lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32+25~bpo50+1; sid: 2.6.32+25; squeeze: 2.6.32+25
07:24<jimmy_> seems to no longer exist
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07:25<themill>,kernels --release squeeze
07:25<judd>Available kernel versions are: squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9)
07:25<themill>jimmy_: you should be running ^^ that kernel, not the -trunk- one.
07:25<jimmy_>ahhh, ok how did i end up with trunk?
07:25<gsimmons>jimmy_: Probably due to Debian Bug #568160.
07:25<themill>it's an old package
07:26<jimmy_>i see. ok so i better get the new kernel image then :)
07:26<jimmy_>thanks everyone!
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07:28<jimmy_>hmmm so i have linux-image-2.6.32-3-amd64 installed already, is this newer than the trunk kernel? should i just remove the trunk package to remove it from grub2 ?
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07:28<themill>you might like to check that it boots ok first, but yes, in the long run, you can remove it
07:29<jimmy_>ok thanks themill and gsimmons!
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08:49<mohan>is there any driver for avertv usb tv tuner card?
08:49<mohan>my model number is a833
08:49<mohan>avertv volar GO
08:49<mohan>i am on debian 64bit
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08:50<mohan>i have downloaded tvtime software. it shows : cannot open capture device /dev/video0
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08:59<Petrol>mohan: do you have premisions on /dev/video0? and dou have /dev/video0 ?
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09:00<mohan>Petrol: i think so..
09:01<mohan>let me login to root and see
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09:04<mohan>checked it through root.. same message :(
09:04<mohan>i think the device doesn't have a linux driver ..
09:05<mohan>searched through web.. nothing came out :(
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09:11<iljah>Hi. Is there a special channel for samba or can i ask here?
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09:12<simonrvn>#samba on freenode
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09:16<crazyb0y>does anyone know where i can find information how to use bind9 with cyrillic domain names ?
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09:45<fau>Hi. Are the packages signed with gpg? could a rep. install in my machine a changed package?
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09:45<avu>fau, have a look at apt-secure(8)
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09:46<fau>good I'm in the console now, I will, thank you.
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09:47<crazyb0y>anyone know how to run bind9 with IDN support ?
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09:48<johnfg>hey folks
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09:49<johnfg>Where are the best instructions for installing java on lenny?
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09:52<koollman>johnfg: activate the non-free repository, aptitude update; aptitude install sun-java6-jre
09:52<koollman>unless you want one of the non-sun jvm. then you pick whatever you want ;)
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09:53<johnfg>koollman, Great. I think some of the howto's on the net might be outdated, as it's a do it all by hand approach.
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09:54<johnfg>koollman, I'll still have to do the alternatives to choose the sun-java, right?
09:54<koollman>only if you have another java installed
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10:06<jespada>Hi guys...I need a little help with apache and mod_rewrite...
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10:07<dr|z3d>jespada: irc:// is your best bet.
10:07<jespada>cool..thks dr|z3d
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10:22<fau>I recorded a session with script, how do I replay it?
10:23<gsimmons>fau: man scriptreplay
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10:24<edrz>is there a size limit on the information that can be attached to a bug report?
10:24<edrz>s/attached to/included in/
10:25<Elessar>What do you plan to attach?
10:25<edrz>more like, a log i've tried to send twice isn't showing up.
10:25<edrz>syslog from debian-installer
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10:31<fau>gsimmons: ok scriptreplay works it needs both file in the cli, the time and the script file. Thank you.
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10:44<jMCg>pablo: stop it.
10:44<petemc> perfect
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10:52<twobitsprite>is this a bug?
10:52<twobitsprite>none of these packages report dependency bugs, but I can't get them to install
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10:57<fau>some temporal problem in testing maybe, libaprutil1 asks for 1.3.4+dfsg-2 but 1.3.9+dfsg-3 is to be installed.
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10:57<fau>Stupid question: can I have two versions of a package in a repo?
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10:58<fau>I'd swear no.
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10:58<zoi>Hello, can someone help me with Creative VF-0040 webcam? I've installed drivers (, lsmod shows them, but I dont have any /dev/video*. lsusb and dmesg detecs my webcam, but software likse cheese won't work
10:59<zoi>I've tried installing it with m-a, but for no avail
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11:06<gsimmons>zoi: For your information, the ov51x-jpeg driver is no longer maintained. Which Linux version are you using? (uname -r)
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11:07<zoi>oh, well, it's not longer maintained but it's still working?
11:07<gsimmons>zoi: Try 2.6.32 available in lenny-backports (/msg dpkg bpo). ov519 support is included in the mainline gspca driver.
11:08<zoi>2.6.32 kernel?
11:08<gsimmons>That's right.
11:08<zoi>updating kernel just for webcam is kinda :/
11:08<zoi>can i just install gspca driver?
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11:09<gsimmons>zoi: You can try (/msg dpkg gspca), but I don't believe the packaged out of tree version has ov519 support.
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11:14<zoi>It worked, thanks gsimmons !
11:15<gsimmons>zoi: With the packaged gspca?
11:15<zoi>I just did
11:15<zoi> install gspca-modules-$(uname -r) && modprobe gspca"
11:15<zoi>and it worked
11:15<zoi>well i rmmod'd ov51x-jpeg
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11:17<zoi>didn't even have to use backports
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11:33<silencio>happy earth day! :D
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11:43<mjk>I wanted to have an APT caching proxy for various i386 and amd64 clients, but there are no less than FOUR such proxies: approx, apt-cacher, apt-cacher-ng, apt-proxy. Which one to pick?
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11:44*edrz recently started using approx
11:44<edrz>so far so good.
11:44<edrz>easy to settup.
11:44<mjk>edrz: Did you switch from another proxy, or is this the first proxy you used?
11:45<edrz>i tried squid first, actually. which worked ... but was overkill.
11:45<mjk>wow ..
11:45<edrz>silencio: happy earth day.
11:45*mjt tried all 3
11:46<mjt>so far approx is the most adequate
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11:46<mjk>That is, no major drawbacks known?
11:46<edrz>mjt: mjk listed 4
11:46<mjt>edrz: apt-cacher-NG ...
11:46<mjk>Ha! I found this:
11:47<mjt>if they didn't bother to change the name, i'm assuming it's the same thing (maybe a rewrite or something)
11:47<mjt>but ok
11:47<silencio>edrz: ^^
11:47<mjk>mjt: more performance and fewer system resources needed, says "apt-cache show"
11:48<edrz>yeah, i'm sure squid can certainly be a very good apt-cacher.
11:48<edrz>er. serve an apt cache.
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11:50<prahal>hi pulseaudio fails at recording sound ... my card is a bit peculiar in that it has 2 devices (only the first supporting recording) the second behing digital output
11:50<mjk>WTF ... both apt-cacher and apt-cacher-ng seem to need a manual restart from time to time ...
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11:51<edrz>i got a basic squid config working for apt caching, but was sure it was suboptimal and don't really need it for other things,
11:51<edrz>so decided i didn't care about learning squid right now.
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11:51*mjk just had a flashback: wwwoffle :-)
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11:52<mjk>And then there is #5: apt-mirror -- and #6: apt-p2p ... uaaaaaah! %-)
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11:58<edrz>mjk: have you tried any, yet?
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11:58*edrz suggests to try approx.
11:58<mjk>edrz: Not yet, reading up on approx and apt-proxy ... probably will try approx (the newer one) first.
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11:59<edrz>hm. i wonder popcon says
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11:59<edrz>do the bots know popcon stats?
11:59<mjk>Does anyone happen to know if approx supports failover? Like when the default mirror fails, then it should pick another one.
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11:59<mjk>!popcon approx
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12:00<themill>,popcon approx
12:00<judd>Popcon data for approx: inst: 314, vote: 251, old: 58, recent: 5, nofiles: 0
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12:01<edrz>,popcon apt-cacher
12:01<judd>Popcon data for apt-cacher: inst: 449, vote: 292, old: 130, recent: 24, nofiles: 3
12:01<themill>You can /msg judd too
12:01<mjk>Ah nice
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12:01<edrz>themill: thanks
12:01<mjk>The graphs on are very interesting for the 4 packages (apt-cacher, apt-cacher-ng, apt-proxy,approx)
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12:05<Father0fNine>What is "Debian-volatile"?
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12:06<dpkg>Debian Volatile is a project that aims at keeping the <stable> and <oldstable> distributions up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. An example line for your lenny sources.list is: deb lenny/volatile main contrib non-free See also <volatile mirrors>.
12:06<Father0fNine>ok.. I asked dpkg :) Now, if someone is running "testing" should they still have stable's volatile packages?
12:06<mjk>HMMMM... there is one catch I didn't think of yet: Will -- if I configure it -- approx (or whatever) keep old Debian packages forever? I want to be able to switch back to an old version of some package, even it it's not in the repository anymore. (I know, but it's not as good)
12:07<amphi>Father0fNine: no
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12:12<edrz>mjk: there are daily and weekly cronjobs included
12:14<edrz>you could probably adjust them to meet your needs.
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12:15<edrz>like, just turn off the weekly one that calls gc_approx
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12:20<Father0fNine>Is there a way to get XORG to load a specified Xserver without being an X11 guru?
12:22<cahoot>Father0fNine: I think you need explain what you mean
12:24<Father0fNine>X is crashing on my newly setup Lenny system. I want to force the generic VGA server just to see if it might work
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12:25<cahoot>meaning vesa?
12:25<amphi>Father0fNine: what video card is it?
12:26<mjk>Father0fNine: man xorg.conf, "DEVICE SECTION", there's where you could define a driver.
12:26<Father0fNine>amphi: best I can tell "agp"
12:26<amphi>Father0fNine: lspci | grep VGA
12:27<Father0fNine>cahoot: I was thinking "xserver-vga" From the days when I did this more often, wasn't that the one that X used to run the config utility?
12:27<amphi>Father0fNine: if you don't have lspci, install pciutils
12:27<Father0fNine>amphi: comes up blank
12:29<Father0fNine>Ok... found it... Intel 82845G/GL
12:30<cahoot> lspci -nn|grep VGA to get its pciid
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12:32<Father0fNine>cahoot: is that the [8086:2562]?
12:32<Father0fNine>or the [0300]?
12:33<amphi>8086 is intel
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12:34<sney>8086:2562 looks like a pciid to me
12:34<Father0fNine>So my xserver-intel or the driver in the kernel -- or both has problems on my machine...
12:34<titan8990>pciid 8086:2562
12:34<titan8990>,pciid 8086:2562
12:34<judd>[8086:2562] is '82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'i2c-i810', 'intelfb' in lenny. See also
12:34<amphi>Father0fNine: does /var/log/Xorg.0.log contain anything informative?
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12:38<Father0fNine>amphi: informative is that it's in the video. The rest is meaningless to me. It's a "Fatal server error: lockup" and something about "Error in I830WaitLpRing(), timeout for 2 seconds"
12:39<amphi>that's worth googling, I suspect
12:39<Father0fNine>which is why I thought to try a generic "works for 'all' cards" type of server.
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12:43<Father0fNine>Hmmm... looks like a bug that was reported in 05-07 and "fixed" upstream
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12:46<Father0fNine>Is Lenny that old?
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12:48<mjk>This is shit.
12:49<mjk>edrz: Was your Squid solution for caching .deb packages transparent? I.e. did it need ANY modifications on the client side?
12:49<themill>mjk: you need to tell apt to use the proxy, that's all. (transparent proxying is evil)
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12:50<mjk>themill: That is unacceptable for me, sorry. :-) I want to setup a lot of clients for testing (as VMs) and other things, and I do not want to configure each of them to use a proxy.
12:51<themill>You need to create one file with one line in it. This can be done automatically as part of your testing setup.
12:51<mjk>themill: transparent proxying is evil only in China, USA and other developmental countries. ;-) (says someone who's also in such a country (Germany))
12:52<mjk>themill: It's an unneeded step with a transparent proxy. What are the downsides for a transparent proxy (which only caches APT repositories)
12:52<themill>transparent proxies tend to cause problems with apt particularly with it being served stale Release files that then fail signature verification
12:52*Hydroxide isn't aware the USA has started proxying nationally, even if they are gathering data
12:52<titan8990>mjk: how can you consider configuration of the test boxes unaccaptable? you have to say... configure them with a hostname... also unacceptable?
12:53<mjk>titan8990: hostname is via dhcp
12:53<mjk>The lesser work, the better.
12:53<mjk>Hydroxide: They will be one day, certainly =)
12:53*themill suspects mjk needs a better testing setup
12:54*Hydroxide sincerely hopes not, and as a USian will try not to let that happen :)
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12:54*themill adds Australia to that list
12:54<titan8990>I have a transparent squid proxy.. and it has never caused me issues with apt
12:54<mjk>themill: Maybe, but all I want is to quickly set up a Debian machine w/o needing to think of this and that ...
12:54*mjk happily dances around titan8990. ;-)
12:54<themill>mjk: if you're doing this more than once, then you'll have all that automated
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12:55<themill>titan8990: yeah, it's usually fine. We see breakages occasionally here
12:55<mjk>themill: Hmyeah ... if it exceeds a certain frequency, I'll probably automate more.
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13:01<neosacepreshaw>im new
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13:01<dpkg>hmm... ops is Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban.
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13:02<neosacepreshaw> $problem
13:02<petemc>neosacepreshaw: just ask your question, if you have one related to debian
13:02<noflash>neosacepreshaw, do you have a debian related question?
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13:10<edrz>mjk: i forget allready ... i know squid was on port 3128.
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13:10<edrz>so there must have been something required.
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13:11<edrz>like setting the apt proxy somewhere.
13:12<mjk>edrz: Hmm ... okay. I'll check it out later. First I'll see how complicated it is to configure a VirtualBox-Debian-Installer to use my approx server.
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13:13<edrz>for me it was just setting the mirror to http://mirrorhost:mirrorport in debian-installer
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13:13<mjk>edrz: Okay, will try ...
13:13<edrz>and changing sources.list on allready installed boxes
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13:31<traveler0>does xserver-xorg in squeeze actually support InputClass in its configuration? is anyone running this w/ success?
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13:35<bluenail>Hey, DebianPPC seems dead so I'm moving here. I just inherited a 3g iMac with 32MB RAM. Should I even bother messing with it before I can upgrade the RAM? (Wanting to run web browser and Abiword or similar under blackbox)
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13:41<traveler0>does xserver-xorg in squeeze/sid actually support InputClass in its configuration? is anyone running this successfully?
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13:43<Arrowmaster>traveler0: yes! i was playing with it just the other day
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13:45<traveler0>what device? i'm using elantech touchpad
13:45<traveler0>could you paste your config on pastebin?
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13:49<zeus>hi all, is there a way to remove *all* mysql (databases + users) data ? I've tryed an "aptitude purge mysql-server && aptitude install mysql-server" without luck
13:50<traveler0>Arrowmaster, is this in your xorg.conf proper or some file in xorg.conf.d?
13:50<Arrowmaster>in xorg.conf proper
13:50<bja>zeus: uninstall mysql then on /var/lib/mysql erase everything in it
13:52<traveler0>Arrowmaster, how did you come up with those MatchProduct strings? xserver startup logs? or is this something you found soewhere else?
13:52<Arrowmaster>yes, the startup log
13:52<titan8990>zeus: UNTESTED: rm -rf /var/lib/mysql
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13:53<Arrowmaster>i was totally just guessing at the names but it worked, and i have no clue how to figure out anything other than the product name
13:53<zeus>WOW !!! It Works ! It took hours to get this !
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13:53<titan8990>excellent :)
13:54<bja>zeus: except for config files that are on /etc/mysql all the relevant data of mysql (included its db) are on /var/lib/mysql
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13:56<zeus>bja: well, do i have to remove it ? i've done something similar for another packagr (think postfix) and i've got a lot of trouble to reinstall in then. Do i have to rm -r /etc/mysql too ?
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13:57<traveler0>Arrowmaster, just curious, how long have you been running this?
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13:58<traveler0>this InputClass stuff seems fairly bleeding edge to me, and yet the x force guys zapped udev support at the same time according to changelogs
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13:59<Arrowmaster>was messing with it i think two or three days ago in a second X server that isnt current running, and my current X server hasnt been restarted in a few months so its not using it
14:01<bja>zeus: no, when you purge a package on debian all config files go with it. One of the great advantages of apt-get and aptitude. Very little left over if at all.
14:01<traveler0>so you're actually running the old version which uses the udev stuff right now?
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14:01<zeus>bja: ok, thank you !
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14:02<Arrowmaster>traveler0: not sure, but the inputclass stuff worked and all when i tried it in the new X server
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14:08<traveler0>Arrowmaster, did you append that at the end of the file?
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14:08<Arrowmaster>didnt change anything elsewhere
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14:12<traveler0>Arrowmaster, the "Identifier" stuff is just an arbitrary string? don't see it ref'd anywhere else
14:12<Arrowmaster>yeah it seemed to me that it was only used in the log output
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14:20<pRopiO>hola, alguien habla castellano?
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14:21<pRopiO>hola, alguien habla castellano?
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14:22<mjk>"approx-import -v /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb" complains "There are no Packages files in the approx cache." and 'Please run "apt-get update" first." -- I ran "apt-get update", "approx-update", "aptitude update", all to no avail. Any ideas?
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14:23<k-dingo>Bug I'm seeing in WindowMaker (wmaker 0.92.0-8): I can't add icons to the dock.
14:23<pRopiO>Alguien sabe algun paquete para icedove (cliente de correo) que te deje administrar varios usuarios antes de entrar, yo recuerdo que en etch la tenia instalada pero no recuerdo el nombre
14:23<k-dingo>Not in BTS AFAICT. Anyone else seen it?
14:23<k-dingo>pRopiO: English.
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14:23<k-dingo>!tell pRopiO about spanish
14:24<pRopiO>sorry, Anyone knows any package for icedove (email client) that lets you manage multiple users before entering, I remember that the etch had installed but not remember the name
14:25<pRopiO>by google translater, sorry
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14:26<bja>!tell pRopiO about es-social
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14:28<k-dingo>Meta: irssi how do I switch context to a different server (eg: freenode from oftn?)
14:28<mjk>Ah, I guess I have to configure APT for using the cache first. :-}
14:28<mjk>k-dingo: /connect <server:port>
14:28<k-dingo>mjk: I'm already connected.
14:29<mjk>k-dingo: If you're already connected to that server, you can use Ctrl-X to switch.
14:29<k-dingo>mjk: Danke!
14:29<mjk>k-dingo: Bitte! =)
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14:29<mjk>k-dingo: You have to go to channel 1 to see the current server, or course.
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14:30<mjk>k-dingo: Or window 1 or whatever the irssi term is for that =)
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14:30<k-dingo>mjk: Right, got it sorted.
14:30<ali_>Does anyone know if there is a utility that does the opposite of fdupes? I.e finds unique files
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14:31<k-dingo>ali_: Any files which aren't dupes are by definition singletons.
14:32<Dreakon>Hey guys, why does it seem like Debian keeps randomly removing Google Chrome from the menu's in GNOME? lol
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14:34<edrz>approx-import. hmm.
14:34<edrz>mjk: where did that come from?
14:35<edrz>maybe it doesn't come with the lenny version ...
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14:36<k-dingo>OK, here's my bug:
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14:38<k-dingo>Apparently a conflict with TV-OUT in the nvidia driver conflicts. I've got an ATI Radeon RS482, thought I saw a TV message to stdout/stderr when launching via startx.
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14:39<mjk>edrz: I installed the testing version on my Lenny box, because it has "approx-import".
14:40<edrz>i see.
14:40<k-dingo>... Entering TV Save
14:40<mjk>edrz: I now have "deb http://localhost:9999/debian lenny main non-free contrib", but "aptitude update" says "Err http://localhost lenny Release.gpg", "Connection failed"
14:40<k-dingo>... shows up in stderr.
14:40<k-dingo>any option to disable?
14:41<mjk>edrz: And after running "aptitude update" unsuccessfully, Port 9999 is dead (tried with telnet localhost 9999), I need to restart inetd to make it work again. :-/
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14:42<mjk>edrz: Yeah, approx 4.x uses inetd.
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14:42<mjk>I hate software ....
14:42<icebrain>what could cause an ssh daemon to (randomly, I think) stop responding to requests? I can ping the machine, but ssh times out
14:43<kself>mjk: It still loves you.
14:43<edrz>mjk: no idea, then. seems it's quite different
14:43<maestro>i am teacher pokemon
14:43<mjk>kself: :-)
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14:44<edrz>dpkg: love
14:44<dpkg>Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra, which suddenly flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come.
14:44<Father0fNine>what is the latest kernel package for testing? or is there a metapackage?
14:45<icebrain>,version linux-image-2.6-686
14:45<dpkg>Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20100415, snapshot 2.6: 2.6.34-rc5-git2, mainline 2.6: 2.6.34-rc5, stable 2.6.33: , stable 2.6.32: , stable 2.6.31: , stable 2.6.30: , stable 2.6.27: , stable 2.4.37:
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14:46<icebrain>,versions linux-image-2.6-686
14:46<judd>linux-image-2.6-686 -- etch: 2.6.18+6etch3; etch-security: 2.6.18+6etch3; etch-backports: 2.6.26+17~bpo40+2; lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32+25~bpo50+1; sid: 2.6.32+25; squeeze: 2.6.32+25
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14:47<edrz>Father0fNine: linux-image, linux-image-2.6, and linux-image-2.6-$arch
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14:48<edrz>are virtual packages
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14:58<kself>Father0fNine: If you follow an unspecified (or less specified) kernel image, you'll get the most current version that matches that. Eg: linux-image will give lates, linux-image-2.6 will give latest 2.6 kernel, linux-image-2.6.26 will give you a .26 kernel, but not a .27, say, when it ocmes out.
14:59<Father0fNine>kself: I was trying just 2.6 and was getting no new canidates but since I just switched from lenny to squeeze, I know there had to be a new kernel.
14:59<edrz>Father0fNine: upgrade or new install?
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15:00<Father0fNine>new fresh net-install of lenny -- then changed to squeeze -- wanted to upgrade just the kernel (and associated packages) before upgrading everythign else.
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15:01<edrz>did you follow dpkg's lenny->squeeze instructions?
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15:02<edrz>it worked for me.
15:02<Father0fNine>I didn't know there were special instructions
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15:03*edrz didn't either till someone said to ask dpkg
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15:05<edrz>last week or thereabouts
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15:09<Leololo>someone already ran samba with windows 7?
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15:11<petemc>Leololo: yes
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15:11<petemc>in that ive mounted shares from a samba box in windows 7, nothing else
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15:16<mjk>This fscking "approx" now cost me HOURS of time. Good riddance, approx! GRRRR! I'll try one of the other proxy caches tomorrow ...
15:16<edrz>mjk: sorry it didn't work out.
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15:17<mjk>edrz: Oh well, I guess it's just my personal luck ;-}
15:17<Leololo>petemc : what version have to use to run Windows 7?
15:18<petemc>worked fine with whatever lenny has
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15:19<Leololo>petemc : mas você usou dominio ou apenas compartilhamento?
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15:19<Leololo>petemc : but you used domain or just sharing?
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15:21<petemc>Leololo: just sharing
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15:22<edrz>have any of you ever customized debian-installer?
15:22<Leololo>petemc : would you send me the smb.conf by email?
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15:22<semitry>how do I kill a process that won't die even with kill -9
15:23<semitry>can't reboot either
15:23<lqgusso>hello, anyone knows to configure 3g modem?
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15:25<CQ>question... does or doesn't LUKS have a timeout option in /etc/crypttab ? several sites mention it, mentions it's removal ...
15:25<mjk>lqgusso: You mean a surfstick? I don't know anything about it, but I know that you sometimes need package "usb-modeswitch" to turn surfstick from CD-ROM device emulation to modem mode.
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15:27<lqgusso>mjk, so, i configured, but when i put my modem here, in dev folder dont knows ttyUSB
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15:29<nostmith>CQ, see man crypttab
15:30<Leololo>petemc ?
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15:33<petemc>Leololo: it was standard config with
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15:34<Leololo>petemc thanks
15:34<CQ>nostmith: looked there didn't see it, didn't see it in mount manpage either, but sometimes those options are in other manpages where I don''t think to look...
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15:37<mjk>lqgusso: does "dmesg" give you any output about that device?
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15:38<dante_2core>Luis_Adr: ask in the channel, not in private chat, please. so others can help too.
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15:49<nostmith>CQ, indeed it isn't there. though i don't think it has this option, adding timeout=30 to the /etc/cripttab line shouldn't hurt. i'm using retry=1 which isn't in man either. in my case would be "syspv /dev/sda6 none luks,retry=1,timeout=30"
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15:51<CQ>nostmith: sure, but if it doesn't work, it's useless... that's my greater problem... I want the server to boot if I'm there or not, if I'm not there, I need to manually mount later, if I'm there, I can enter the password and get the mounts right away... man cryptsetup does list the option for me however ...
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15:53<nostmith>CQ, i think the option from cryptsetup can be used when at creation time, but i'm not sure
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15:56<nostmith>CQ, sorry, i missread. it works if you use cryptsetup luksOpen, but still am not sure if will work at boot
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15:58<bitterfugue>Hi. Today I had an issue logging on. Last night I believe my laptop ran out off battery just before hitting the shutdown I had issued. The result was today I received a message about imminent system shutdown when I tried to log on.
15:58<bitterfugue>I solved it by logging on as root on another TTY and issuing another shutdown.
15:59<bitterfugue>Does anyone know of another, more stylish, way of solving it?
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16:00<zoi>Good night
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16:05<agentlandmine>hi everyone!
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16:11<retrospectacus>agentlandmine: hello
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16:12<agentlandmine>retrospectacus: I'm curious I can compile a program on a faster machine to be used on a slow one?
16:12<agentlandmine>retrospectacus: Any hints?
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16:13<azeem>agentlandmine: why do you ask retrospectacus?
16:13<agentlandmine>oops, just wanted to say hi back, and then I got thinking about my question. :)
16:15<CQ>nostmith: has the explanation for timeout (wha it's out)
16:15<retrospectacus>agentlandmine: you can, if they are the same architecture. Are you having a problem doing that?
16:15<Luis_Adr>Good afternoon, I'm Luis and I live in Brazil, I have a very difficult mission.
16:15<Luis_Adr>I work in the CPD of a company in the lab hardware, however the systems analyst of the company resigned and now I'm alone until they find another place for him, I ask the help of you here in irc, I need to set up a mail server here the company, a server that is stable and reliable, I ask your help with some stuff for me to study because I'll have to do that in next Monday. I thank everyone's attention.
16:15<Luis_Adr>Luis Ramirez.
16:16<agentlandmine>retrospectacus: no, just wanted to make sure I was sane.
16:17<old>agentlandmine: It usually can be done, but I cannot see any profits unless the mashine is really slow or program big.
16:18<agentlandmine>retrospectacus: ok, I have an Acer Aspire One that is giving me issuse with the wireless card. Looks like the Ath5k needs to be updated and I didn't want to have to compile the kernel on it if I didn't have to.
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16:21<agentlandmine>yatekii: Hi
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16:21<yatekii>can somebody help me with apache2? :S
16:22<dr|z3d>yatekii: irc:// is your best bet.
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16:23<themill>#httpd on, actually. But you can ask here too, particularly if it's a debian-specific thing like which packages to install
16:23<retrospectacus>agentlandmine: don't really know about that
16:24<yatekii>hmm yeah but the prob:
16:24<yatekii>apache running
16:24<yatekii>nothin else
16:24<agentlandmine>retrospectacus: no problem, thanks for the help. :)
16:24<yatekii>vhost prepared
16:24<yatekii>but if i call
16:24<yatekii>nothing works :S
16:24<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
16:26<yatekii>oh i found the prob :D
16:26<yatekii>for help anyway :)
16:26<dr|z3d>themill: #httpd these days? noted.
16:27<yatekii>oO i cant send anything in chan apache :S
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16:28<dr|z3d>yatekii: try #httpd
16:28<themill>dr|z3d: has been for a while, I think. #apache is for the apache foundation not for their individual projects like httpd, spamassassin etc
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16:28<dr|z3d>themill: Sure, makes sense. I must have last visited there at least several years ago.
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16:36<agentlandmine>Gota go, thanks for the help, I'll be back again. :)
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16:38<yatekii>shit i killed my serve with ~# grep DocumentRoot
16:39<yatekii>what 2 do? xD
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16:39<centyx>hit ctrl-c ?
16:39<Nemoder>and read the manpage for grep
16:39<themill>!general cli tutorial
16:39<dpkg> or,, or
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16:50<bja>!es-social usuario
16:50<dpkg>usuario: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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16:51<usuario>uff aqui cuanta ente ay
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16:51<bja>usuario: por favor haz lo que te ha dicho dpkg
16:52<usuario>el que
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16:52<usuario>que able en ingles
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16:53<bja>Tienes una línea que dice bja arriba lado izquierdo pica con el boton izquierdo del mouse sobre ella
16:53<usuario>uff ablais o que
16:53<Dreakon>Hey guys, everytime I try and open the update manager, it says a fatal error has occurred. I'm using Debian testing.
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16:53<bja>usuario: calla y haz lo que se te dice
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16:54<bja>usuario: has sido silenciado, haz como te he dicho para que pueda ayudarte
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16:55<nostmith>Dreakon, just update with aptitude. update-manager seems to be broken
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16:56<Dreakon>nostmith: Ah, alright. What's the command to update with aptitude again? It's not aptitude update, as that just checks the repo's, right?
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16:56<edrz>if I manually create the raid array with --metadata=0, then grub2 can install.
16:57<nostmith>Dreakon, aptitude safe-upgrade or aptitude full-upgrade. see man aptitude.
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16:58<edrz>i wonder where the d-i code lives ...
16:58*edrz looks
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16:59<Lanz>How do I run update-notifier?
16:59<Dreakon>nostmith, I see... just out of curiousity, how come when I do safe-upgrade, it's saying it wants to remove vital packages like "network-manager{u}" and other useful packages like abiwork{u}, etc?
16:59<Lanz>I tried running as root and as a normal user, and it wouldn't start in either case
16:59<Lanz>Running KDE 4.4.2
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16:59<Lanz>As root, I get this: ** (update-notifier:16557): WARNING **: not starting for system user
17:00<Dreakon>abiword{u} rather
17:00<miguel000>I want to backup the boot sector of sda as well as one parition sda1 completeley, will dd be fine for this? I also wonder if i can reduce the resulting filesize somehow, since the usage is only about 10%
17:00<Lanz>As user, I get:No protocol specified Failed to init the UI: Cannot open display:
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17:01<Lanz>What an odd program, update-notifier...
17:01<Lanz>I logged in as root even, but 0 luck
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17:04<nostmith>Dreakon, check the versions also. and since you're on testing you should also use apt-listchanges and apt-listbugs. dunno what exactly happens and why it tries to remove vital packages. pastebin more info.
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17:05<Dreakon>nostmith, how do I check versions? And what would the versions matter if it's trying to remove them? lol Does it remove packages before updating them?
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17:06<Dreakon>There's like 200mb worth of packages it's trying to remove.
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17:08<Dreakon>nostmith: This is what it says when I safe-upgrade.
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17:10<nostmith>miguel000, to backup the boot sector use: dd if=/dev/sda of=sdaboot.bak bs=512 count=1
17:11<nostmith>Dreakon, have you removed any packages latelly?
17:11<Dreakon>I uninstalled Transmission and installed an earlier version since the private torrent site I use banned 1.9x.
17:11<Dreakon>That's it though
17:12<Dreakon>and put the transmission-common and transmission-gtk on hold
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17:14<nostmith>Dreakon, something that was removed was a meta packages. check your logs.
17:14<Pattriickk>does flash always lag on linux no matter what browser
17:15<Dreakon>Pattriickk: I'd say pretty much, but certain flash plugins lag more than others. ;)
17:15<bja>Pattriickk: closed source experimental program on an opensource OS. What do you expect?
17:16<Dreakon>nostmith, how do I check my logs? I'm still kind of new to this linux thing.
17:16<Pattriickk>bja: shit
17:16<Dreakon>Pattriickk: Do you know what flash plugin you're using, if you grab the flashplugin-nonfree package from the nonfree repo's, it may work better.
17:17<Pattriickk>it just pisses me off when i can't browse sites made with flash
17:17<Dreakon>Pattriickk: What browser are you using? There may be addons that block flash altogether.
17:18<Pattriickk>just try browsing that site and tell me if don't lag
17:19<Pattriickk>i'm using ubuntu 9.10 karmic with the latest compatitable firefox >_<
17:19<bja>!tell Pattriickk about ubuntu
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17:19<Dreakon>yeah, that site does run pretty bad lol
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17:20<Pattriickk>same ^
17:20<Pattriickk>bja i'm not really askin for help
17:20<Dreakon>I don't use Firefox on my linux desktop, but look on the firefox addon site for some kind of flashblock addon.
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17:21<Pattriickk>heh, why must they use flash to make the site instead of php or javascript? laziness?
17:21<Pattriickk>like all the buttons and everything use flash V_V
17:22<Dreakon>lol, the problem isnt even really the flash, its the fact they apparently decided to use like HD video in the background
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17:22<nostmith>Dreakon, read /var/log/aptitude, /var/log/apt/term.log and /var/log/dpkg.log. also look in ~/.bash_history and /root/.bash_history for any apt-get/aptitude/dpkg commands or any other frontend you use.
17:22<salman>I have a problem with apt-cacher stopping running. it just connection errors. and I think I know the reason. the partition which set to save the packages is Full. now what is the solution. there is a script that is supposed to 'clean' old packages but it gives errors and does not continue. what should I do?
17:22<Dreakon>youtube and stuff is fine on linux (for me at least), but if I try and watch HD it slows to a crawl
17:23<Dreakon>fortunately, I couldnt care less about HD ;)
17:23<Pattriickk>my only problem with youtube is playin fullscreen
17:23<Dreakon>nostmith, thank you :) I'll take a look at them
17:23<Pattriickk>but i think it has more to do with my multiple monitor setup than anything
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17:26<Dreakon>nostmith, I'm looking through these, but I'm not sure what I'm looking for... what is a meta package anyways? Maybe knowing that might help narrow it down lol.
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17:32<miguel000>Is there anything else in between the first 512 bytes of sda and the first partition sda1?
17:32<nostmith>Dreakon, tbh, i never asked myself what is a meta package. dunno if there is a 'good' definition. haha.
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17:34<dpkg>i guess metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get/aptitude command line. The version of a metapackage can be misleading -- look at what it depends on instead (see the kde metapackage for an example).
17:34<dr|z3d>A metapackage is a pointer to a collection of other packages that comprise a solution. Most DE's come as metapackages, for example.
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17:40<Dreakon>I see... I guess I'm just confused as to how a meta package... or anything for that matter... would make the "safe-upgrade" command want to remove a bunch of useful and unrelated packages instead of... well... upgrading things? lol
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17:45<nostmith>Dreakon, i can't really explayn this, but i've seen it before. i removed a package and when i tried to upgrade aptitude asked to remove many other packages.
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17:47<nostmith>Dreakon, check if the gnome package is still installed: aptitude show gnome
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18:11<Dreakon>nostmith, apparently gnome isn't installed... should I install it? lol
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18:11<dr|z3d>Dreakon: Xfce better than gnome, imo.
18:12<dr|z3d>judd versions xfce4
18:12<judd>xfce4 -- etch:; etch-backports: 4.4.2~bpo40+2; lenny:; lenny-backports:; sid:; squeeze:
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18:14<Dreakon>dr|z3d: Lol, I like xfce, but I just understand GNOME better. The little things like throttling the CPU and stuff ;)
18:15<Dreakon>How am I currently on GNOME if it isnt installed?
18:15<dr|z3d>You can install component parts of a metapackage..
18:16<dr|z3d>Which in many events is better.. gnome's metapckage bundles _everything_.
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18:17<Dreakon>Should I install the gnome package?
18:17<Dreakon>Might that fix this "safe-upgrade" trying to remove packages problem?
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18:35<Dreakon>Hey guys, is there any kind of quick and easy way to switch from GNOME or Xfce?
18:35<Dreakon>from GNOME to Xfce*
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18:37<dr|z3d>Dreakon: sure. gdm works fine.
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18:38<Dreakon>dr|z3d: Well, my goal would be to install Xfce, use it and completely remove any trace of GNOME.
18:39<dr|z3d>Dreakon: Xfce uses GDM for its greeter, I think.
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18:40<Dreakon>dr|z3d: Well, I guess what I'm asking is what would I do to remove GNOME and switch completely to Xfce. Is it as simple as "apt-get install xfce4"... in which case, how would I remove GNOME?
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18:43<jeff_hann>Dreakon, aptitude purge gnome gnome-dektop-environment
18:43<themill>!remove gnome
18:43<dpkg>To remove or purge GNOME 2.x: aptitude remove ~nlibgnome ~nlibbonobo2 ~nliborbit2 ~nlibgnomeui ~nlibgnomevfs2. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>).
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18:44<Dreakon>What's the difference between purge and remove?
18:44<dr|z3d>purge removes settings as well.
18:44<dr|z3d>remove keeps your configs intact.
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18:45<Dreakon>Ah, alright. This should be interesting lol
18:45<Dreakon>What should I expect after running "apt-get install xfce4"? Will I need to log out and back in?
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18:45<dr|z3d>You will, sure.
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18:46<dr|z3d>It's probably best to install Xfce and log into it before you remove gnome.
18:46<Dreakon>Yeah, I figured. GNOME panel applets work in Xfce right?
18:47<dr|z3d>Sure they do, you'll need to install an applet "bridge" mind.
18:47<Dreakon>Hmm... how complicated is that? lol
18:48<dr|z3d>Not complex at all.
18:48<dr|z3d>It's just a single package.
18:48<themill>There won't be too many gnome panel applets installed if you use that aptitude remove command
18:49<Dreakon>can I install the GNOME applets individually?
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18:49<Dreakon>I really just want sensors-applet, CPU throttle applet, force quit and inhibit sleep
18:50<dr|z3d>I think they come as a metapackage. :)
18:50<Dreakon>theres that again ;)
18:50<Dreakon>can I uninstall everything in GNOME except the applets? lol
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18:51<dr|z3d>Uninstall gnome as per intructions, then install the package you want.. gnome-applets, probably.
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18:52<Dreakon>alright, cool
18:52<Dreakon>that seems to be it
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18:52<Dreakon>alright, lets try it... wish me luck ;)
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18:54<Dreakon>alright... xfce is installed
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18:54<Dreakon>when I log out will it ask me what I want to use?
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18:55<dr|z3d>Yeah.. check for the session option in GDM.
18:55<Dreakon>Ooo, right. Thanks! :)
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19:04<Dreakon>Hey guys, I just switched to Xfce4 from GNOME. I thought Xfce had the two panel on the top and bottom setup?
19:05<kwisatz>Hey! I've trouble installing Lenny on a lenovo x201 with an intel 82577LM ethernet chipset supposedly supported by the e1000e driver. Anyone able to give me a hand or a few tips?
19:05<kwisatz>Dreakon: It has, if you create another panel (by using the settings manager)
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19:06<Dreakon>kwisatz: I don't know why, but I'm kind of struggling to find this "settings manager" lol
19:07<kwisatz>Dreakon: right click your desktop --> settings --> panel
19:07<klh>I installed squeeze with dash but I see .bashrc is still here. I'd like to get completion like with bash-completion before, is it possible with dash ?
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19:09<Dreakon>kwisatz, thanks! Found it. :)
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19:16<kwisatz>anyone on the e1000e issue?
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19:24<dpkg>thanks, bja. It's good to be back.
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19:41<kwisatz>:( too bad nobody's able to help
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19:46<bigsnider>still waiting on a1F
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19:47<bigsnider>tell daniel sorry
19:47<bigsnider>menant notta by it
19:47<bigsnider>just dirmeditaten
19:47<themill>bigsnider: wrong channel?
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19:47<bigsnider>not probabble
19:48<themill>bigsnider: do you have a debian question we can help you with?
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19:48<bigsnider>just talking
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19:48<themill>bigsnider: try #moocows
19:48<bigsnider>try muchalakaz
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19:49<dr|z3d>That's irc for "just talk elswhere" :)
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20:08<Cypriot>hi all
20:08<Cypriot>Fatal error: Call to undefined function mysql_connect() in /var/www/test.php on line 2 i just install mysql and get this error any idea ?
20:10<bja>Install the php-mysql connectioon package
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21:25<xplinux>one question if i have the distro ylmfos and i have a support with ubuntu one MY CHANNEL SUPPORT IS UBUNTU SEVERS? OR NOT?
21:25<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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21:28<xplinux>DPKG FIREFOX SAY Y ou don't have permission to access / on this server. Apache Server at Port 80
21:28<dpkg>xplinux: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request
21:29<dr|z3d>xplinux: irc://
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21:31<xplinux>DRJZ3D SSAY FREE NODE closing link baneade my ip
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21:35<ml|>connect to freenode then /join #freenode and ask for help there
21:36<xplinux>nlj i have closing tha ubuntu y freenode server
21:37<xplinux>ubuntu and freenode server
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22:38<Dreakon>Hey guys, why is it that Google Chrome doesn't seem to want to stay my default browser? And it keeps disappearing from my panels and in the GNOME menu's...
22:40<Dreakon>Any ideas?
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22:42<dondelelcaro>Dreakon: probably because it's not installing itself properly, and is directly modifying the menus itself; but not certain
22:42<dondelelcaro>Dreakon: this is a common issue with software which isn't specifically packaged for Debian
22:43<Dreakon>dondelelcaro: I see... is there anything I can do about it? I've rather come to like Google Chrome lol :P
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22:45<dondelelcaro>Dreakon: I'm actually not enough of an expert at gnome's menus. The default browser should work by calling gnome-www-browser or sensible-browser
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22:46<ml|>perhaps creating an alternative would work
22:47<Dreakon>ml|, well, what I've noticed is the selection from the GNOME menu disappears first, then from the panel when I log out. When I log back in and run it from Terminal, all of my settings and bookmarks are gone and it's like I just installed it.
22:47<Dreakon>ml|, so just making an application launcher wouldn't be a real workaround unfortunately...
22:48<dondelelcaro>Dreakon: yeah, that sounds like you've got more things going on
22:48<Dreakon>That kind of sucks, web browsing is kind of important lol.
22:49<ml|>I was talking about gnome-www-browser; but I don't use gnome or chrome
22:49<dondelelcaro>Dreakon: well, it's kind of the problem that you run into when you're running non-Free software
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22:50<Dreakon>I'm not sure what gnome-www-browser is, but I'm getting "No protocol specified, Failed to parse arguments: Cannot open display:"
22:50<Dreakon>If I try it in Terminal.
22:50<dondelelcaro>Dreakon: it's just how you'd call the default browser
22:50<Dreakon>dondelelcaro, I see... then somethings wrong with it. :(
22:52<Dreakon>It's a shame that Google Chrome isn't the only browser for Linux that actually has some speed to it. :-/
22:52<Dreakon>is* the only browser
22:52<ml|>others would disagree
22:52<Dreakon>Not if they had my laptop. *giggle*
22:53<ml|>heh, fair enough
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22:53<Dreakon>Iceweasel somehow got to the point before of literally taking minutes to load simple pages.
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22:53<Dreakon>I was pretty amazing.
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22:54<adb>Dreakon, you run 'Chrome' as root ?
22:54<franki^>Yeah, Iceweasel. :(
22:55<Dreakon>adb, not sure what you mean? I ran google-chrome as root yes.
22:55<adb>Dreakon, you shouldn't
22:56<amitz>Dreakon: updates-alternatives --all <- for the overkill
22:56<ml|>dpkg root x
22:56<dpkg>If you need to run an X application as root (or another user), ask me about <sux> <gksu> <sshx> <mit-magic-cookie> <xauth> or look at kdesu and gksudo. Whatever you do, don't use <xhost> or try <running x as root>!
22:56<Dreakon>Hmm... I see...
22:56<ml|>see what the following tells you ... update-alternatives --display gnome-www-browser ; most likely iceweasel
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22:57<Dreakon>Current 'best' version is Epiphany.
22:58<ml|>that must be gnome's default
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22:59<amitz>Dreakon: overkill means you can see all possible interfering defaults and fix them accordingly.
22:59<ml|>if you want to change that use --config .... instead
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23:04<amitz>which may or may not work if Dreakon has a KDE session (s)he periodically enters.
23:04<Dreakon>That's what it said
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23:08<amitz>Dreakon: what ml| said is basically do: update-alternatives --config gnome-www-browser
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23:09<Dreakon>Okay, so I set Google Chrome now as the default that way?
23:09<amitz>Dreakon: yes, but how did you install google chrome?
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23:10<Dreakon>Using the .deb that they have on their site.
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23:10<ml|>was chrome listed there or you added it?
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23:10<Dreakon>I downloaded the .deb file from the site, and used Gdebi to install it
23:11<amitz>okay then, you should (hopefully) be in good shape. fire that, and choose google-chrome
23:11<Dreakon>fire the .deb file again?
23:11<ml|>yes, but I'm asking in alternative, was chrome listed or did you do something?
23:12<amitz>no, I mean the --config gnome-www-browser
23:12<ml|>use that to select chrome
23:12<Dreakon>I used --config gnome-www-browser and selected Google Chrome
23:13<Dreakon>That's done, however its still not in any of my menus lol
23:13<Dreakon>if I launch it and put my bookmarks in, will it remember then when I log out?
23:14<Dreakon>because it wasnt before lol
23:14<ml|>yeah it will not be in the menus, but click on your link above, it should open in chrome
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23:14<Dreakon>ml|, what link above? lol
23:15<ml|>your pastebin link
23:15<Dreakon>Ah, look at that. Cool :)
23:16<Dreakon>is there any way now to get them back in the menu and stay there?
23:16<ml|>so anything you click now should open in chrome, the menu thing I can't help
23:16<amitz>but does it launch automatically from terminal? then have you installed a package called "menu"?
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23:17<Dreakon>does google chrome launch from terminal? yeah, if I type in "google-chrome"
23:17<ml|>there is a menu thing that might work, I forget the name
23:17<amitz>I'm using squeeze, hopefully it applies to you too,
23:17<Dreakon>im on Debian Testing ;)
23:17<ml|>dpkg menu
23:17<dpkg>methinks menu is the cool Debian program that handles adding items to your windowmanager/desktop environment's menus when you install new packages (ie, install gimp, a new 'gimp' item is added to all of your window managers), or to add new entries less /etc/menu/README or ask me about menu-methods
23:18<ml|>but, that's probably installed
23:18<Dreakon>If I right click the thing at the top and select "Edit Menu", its basically the same thing... I think.
23:18<ml|>or something else from gnome that handles that
23:19<amitz>then there is something called "update-menu", callable from terminal.
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23:19<Dreakon>Google Chrome's just been completely deleted from them though (not just disabled/unchecked), it was there immediately following installation though.
23:19<amitz>(which may or may not work, I consider it half-voodo :-p)
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23:19<Dreakon>amitz, command not found ;)
23:20<ml|>like dondelelcaro said the package is not made for debian
23:20<ml|>most likely the issue
23:20<Dreakon>I guess, but somehow skype isn't immediately deleted and unrecognized... :P
23:20<Dreakon>nor is FCEUX.
23:21<ml|>Dreakon: you should talk to the chrome devs for a fix
23:21<Dreakon>I suppose.
23:21<Dreakon>Thanks for the help guys. :)
23:22<amitz>the menus exists for me. But that's probably a voodo I did, somehow...
23:22<ml|>and man update-alternatives
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23:51<CarlSagan>good evening everybody. i'm having a problem with the /etc/apt/sources.list file, and i'm using a much older (and not supported) version of debian (potato) because it's a much older computer. i only have one entry in the list ( and everytime i try to apt-get update, i get a 404 not found message.
23:52<dondelelcaro>CarlSagan: first off, if it's at all possible to upgrade, I'd strongly consider it
23:52<CarlSagan>it gives me the right ip for the server, (
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23:52<dondelelcaro>CarlSagan: but otherwise, please show the output of apt-cache policy;
23:54<CarlSagan>i'll have to type it from the other computer, but here it is:
23:54<CarlSagan>Package Files:
23:54<CarlSagan>100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
23:54<dondelelcaro>CarlSagan: if you could use a paste site,that'd be idea
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23:54<dondelelcaro>CarlSagan: the only thing I need to see is the archive url
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23:55<Rapsodius>what's the local fonts folder .fonts? or .local/fonts?
23:55<Rapsodius>or is it .local/share/fonts?
23:55<dondelelcaro>Rapsodius: for what?
23:56<CarlSagan>that's really the problem. while i can get the machine to ping the internet, it did'nt come with any software that can access the internet per se. it does'nt even have make, or any c compilers (which has made my trying to get it running an interesting challenge indeed.)
23:56<Rapsodius>for ttf fonts
23:56<sney>man, potato uses a 2.2 kernel
23:57<sney>that's the first version of Debian I ever used, and that was about 10 years ago
23:57<dondelelcaro>sney: or a 2.4 kernel
23:57<dondelelcaro>(it has both)
23:57<sney>when I used it it was 2.2
23:57*bja used the 2.4 kernel
23:57<dondelelcaro>yes, it has both 2.2 and 2.4
23:57-!-mode/#debian [-o weasel] by weasel
23:57<CarlSagan>mine's 2.2 i installed it from floppies.
23:57<weasel>did he paste the source list entry yet?
23:57<sney>I don't remember there being an option, but that's just one of many things I don't remember. carry on :)
23:57<sney>oof, floppies
23:58<bja>weasel: no
23:58<dondelelcaro>CarlSagan: anyway, I need to see the url from apt-cache policy; for
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