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---Logopened Fri Apr 23 00:00:05 2010
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00:01<CarlSagan>it says "can't stat source for package list " contrib/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.debian.org_debian_dists_potato_dists_contrib_main_binary_i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
00:02<dondelelcaro>CarlSagan: what's the sources.list entry for
00:02<weasel>CarlSagan: PASTE
00:02<weasel>CarlSagan: THE
00:02<weasel>CarlSagan: LINE
00:02<weasel>CarlSagan: from the fscking file
00:03<CarlSagan>it's "deb contrib main non-free"
00:04<dondelelcaro>well, there's your problem
00:04<dondelelcaro>CarlSagan: you want deb potato main contrib non-free
00:05<CarlSagan>aha! i shall try just that. thank you very much.
00:06<CarlSagan>hey! it's working! thanks, dondelelcaro!
00:06<sney>next time, do what the helpers ask, because they probably know what they're doing ^^
00:07<CarlSagan>okay. i was trying to. i guess i was a little confused. (which isn't hard for someone like me.)
00:08<sney>no worries, it happens to the best of us
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00:09<CarlSagan>thanks again, and while i hope to figure out things by myself a little bit quicker next time, i won't be too scared to come in here and ask for help. bye guys!
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00:56<dpkg>hello, d3co
00:57<d3co>I need configure the java_home
01:01<jm_>no you don't
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01:04*nostmith lol
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01:16<parahumanoid>Hi to all
01:17<parahumanoid>I just installed Lenny using NETINSTALL CD, and here's a problem:
01:17<parahumanoid>I am using AIR-PCM352 WLAN adapter, which worked fine during install, but after installation it won't work.
01:18<jm_>d3co: I am not joking, see /usr/share/doc/sun-java6-jre/JAVA_HOME
01:18<jm_>!tell parahumanoid -about wifi
01:19<parahumanoid>Apparently, it has something to do with some unlucky package being updated, because when I installed a minimal system, it worked, but now that I chose simple install with desktop environment, it doesnt.
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01:23<knoppix_898989>anyone here know how to turn off auto login for knoppix 6.3?
01:24<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unofficial: <Debian-live> is the Debian equivalent for publishing live systems.
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01:26<knoppix_898989>thanks for the help
01:27<sney>think about it, how are we supposed to help you with something we don't use
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01:27<sney>go to the right channel please
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01:30<knoppix_898989>Well I use a lot of different unix like OS's but haven't spent a lot of time with this one. I just thought I make conversation being new to this chat room, kind of testing for friendly responses, if you know what i mean.
01:31<sney>if you're using debian we try to be as helpful as we can
01:31<d3co>jm_: nothing
01:31<sney>but since it's an official support channel we can't just hang out and discuss whatever. if you just want to be friendly, go to #debian-offtopic
01:32<knoppix_898989>Some times I do.
01:32<parahumanoid>guys, is there a more appropriate channel I should visit with my question? Thanks.
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01:33<kself>parahumanoid: WRT yoru WLAN adaptor -- has it worked at all since you've installed?
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01:34<sney>parahumanoid: no, this is the right one, just sometimes you need to wait for the right users to show up who can really help you.
01:34<kself>parahumanoid: It's also late-o'clock in a lot of the Western world. I'm wrapping up at the office myself ATM.
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01:35<sney>we need more australians, get that real 24-hour coverage
01:35<parahumanoid>oh, right, I totally forgot about the time zone thing.
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01:35<kself>sney: With beer that might just happen.
01:37<jm_>d3co: you might have some other java version installed, find the right dir
01:37<d3co>I have the 1,5
01:37<parahumanoid>Incidentally, (it's been a long time since I've used Linux), I am thoroughly underimpressed with Gnome's performance. Is that to be expected? Will re-building the kernel just for my hardware speed things up? I am using Lenny's simple net install with desktop environment by default. Thank you.
01:37<sney>parahumanoid: anyway, what do you mean by it doesn't work? how far does it get? what does it do and what did you expect?
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01:38<sney>p.s. I don't like gnome either, good thing there are other options
01:38<kself>parahumanoid: I'm underwhelmed by GNOME period, but I'm pretty biased. WindowMaker's more my style, running KDE 3 ATM.
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01:38<sney>xfce4 is a good one if you like gtk but don't want gnome's hands in everything
01:39<kself>For fast, light, and moderately well featured, xfce4's not bad.
01:39<amitz>and quite well supported in debian it seems.
01:39<sney>yeah, it's pretty popular around these parts
01:42<parahumanoid>SNEY, it worked last week when I did minimal install, and I used it for getting additional packages from the net. However, after I re-installed (I decided to play with crypted lvm), I chose simple desktop install.
01:42<parahumanoid>the driver loads, but it is no longer capable of seeing my router's DHCP server, nor does the static configuration save the day. The adapter generates two interfaces: eth1 and wifi0-00. Either one comes up, but no real traffic occurs. Destination host unreachable says PING.
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01:42<sney>parahumanoid: can you associate it to the ap with iwconfig?
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01:44<jay_>I am having issues getting screenlets to work on debian lenny. I have romoved and reinstalled it and still am having to same problem. My problem is that when i click the screenlets menu option it will not launch, how would i go about fixing this?
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01:45<parahumanoid>sney: you're overestimating my Linux literacy. Can you give more detail on what this operation will do and what help pages I should read to conduct it? Thank you.
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01:46<sney>parahumanoid: iwconfig is a program used to control wifi interfaces. you can read 'man iwconfig' to see the settings. basically if you've got wlan0, you can do iwconfig wlan0 to see what it's currently doing, or iwconfig wlan0 essid linksys to associate it to a router called 'linksys'
01:46<amitz>parahumanoid: how did you connect to the router? btw, standard action, restart router.
01:46<sney>it's pretty simple, usually.
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01:47<d3co>check this
01:48<parahumanoid>amitz: yes, I restarted the router a couple of times just to be on the safe side. no dice. plus, my other laptop running Windows 7 runs wireless, just fine, so I am pretty sure it's not the router.
01:48<d3co>java -version
01:48<d3co>java version "1.5.0_17"
01:48<d3co>Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_17-b04)
01:48<d3co>I wanna run the tomcat
01:49<sney>parahumanoid: sometimes wifi needs an extra kick in the pants to work properly, and iwconfig is a great tool to that effect
01:49<d3co>n$ ./
01:49<d3co>Neither the JAVA_HOME nor the JRE_HOME environment variable is defined
01:49<d3co>At least one of these environment variable is needed to run this program
01:49<amitz>what did you do to connect to the router? changing /etc/network/interfaces? An applet in desktop?
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01:49<parahumanoid>sney: what do you make of the fact that one physical device has two network interfaces (wifi0 and eth1)? Is that normal?
01:49<sney>parahumanoid: are you sure they're both associated with the same device?
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01:50<parahumanoid>sney: they both disappear when I unplug the adapter. plus, with this device, as I have read, I am not the only one who gets this picture.
01:50<sney>d3co: tomcat is available in apt, you know.
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01:51<sney>parahumanoid: hmm, weird. can you paste the output of iwconfig to ?
01:51<sney>d3co: aptitude search is your friend.
01:51<d3co>I realize
01:52<sney>hmm, wait a minute, maybe it's not in lenny
01:52<sney>why would that... hmm.
01:52<parahumanoid>sney: sure, it will take a few minutes.
01:52<jm_>d3co: check the same readme in your java dir
01:52<sney>oh, there it is
01:52<sney>,versions tomcat5.5
01:52<judd>tomcat5.5 -- etch: 5.5.20-2etch3; etch-security: 5.5.20-2etch3; lenny: 5.5.26-5
01:52<d3co>but I do not integrate the tomcat in the SO
01:53<d3co>but I will
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01:53<sney>it's no more integrated than the way you're doing it now, it just has security update support through apt and takes care of the annoying java setup stuff for you
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01:55<parahumanoid>sney: I think I know. I seems to have lost my encryption key.
01:55<sney>that could do it
01:55<parahumanoid>both interfaces on the device show "Encryption key: off", but I did set one in the past.
01:55<d3co>you are right
01:55<parahumanoid>I'm gonna try to set it now. I'll let you know how it went.
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01:58<d3co>I gonna install by aptitude :)
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02:13<parahumanoid>sney: here's what I have so far:
02:13<d3co>ready! :)
02:13<d3co>well now I going to sleep xD
02:13<d3co>see you and thx!
02:13<sney>parahumanoid: is your network actually called "linksys"? that was just an example
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02:15<parahumanoid>The access point is "linksys", but I just logged in and saw that the router is using channel 1:2.412GHz.
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02:16<parahumanoid>I suppose if they don't sync on frequency that's bad.
02:16<parahumanoid>better go fix that :)
02:21<parahumanoid>sney: btw, that's not an example, that's my output as is. I've just changed channel to 1, but Access point: Invalid remains. Ideas?
02:22<sney>parahumanoid: sorry, i'm stumped. try asking again in a few hours when the next time zone wakes up
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02:23<jay_>I am having issues getting screenlets to work on debian lenny. I have romoved and reinstalled it and still am having to same problem. My problem is that when i click the screenlets menu option it will not launch, how would i go about fixing this?
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02:31<mcbelme>hello ola
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02:33<parahumanoid>sney: thank you for all your help. I'll keep digging. The worst that can happen is to go back to the basic system that DID work. I don't have anything valuable on this system yet anyway.
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02:38<parahumanoid>sney: fyi, the exact same problem, same hardware:
02:39<parahumanoid>Except my IBM is R40, not X40
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04:21<blockowitsch>hello. i got an apache server runnning on my server that produces a lot of traffic that i can't explain. is there a way to find out which url's produce the most traffic?
04:22<koollman>blockowitsch: use something like webalizer or awstats (or any other tool that summarize the logs), to find out
04:22<blockowitsch>ok, will check this. thanks
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04:33<neria>you can find information by reading /var/log/apache2/access.log
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04:56<EmleyMoor>Is there a way I can mount a ufs (ffs) read-write in lenny?
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05:47<Greed>I have a little proble with X11 and wacom
05:47<Greed> it's my corg.conf
05:48<Greed>my wacom tablet is a penpartner on serial
05:48<Greed>I am with Lenny
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05:51<Greed> this is the log of xorg after crash
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05:55<Greed>I think the problem os my server layout section. Before I did'nt have this section
05:56<jm_>so write it like it should be
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05:57<Dreakon>Hey guys, it seems over the course of the night somehow my bluetooth has randomly stopped working. This has happened before and usually a nice reinstalling of the operating system fixes it right up... but I kind of hope it doesn't come to that.
05:58<Dreakon>I put my laptop in the other room, came out and turned off my mouse. Then this morning I brought my laptop back into the living room with the mouse (the laptop had been on all night) and turned the mouse back on and viola... no good.
05:59<Dreakon>It's still in the list of devices, and I've tried clicking "Connect" for it to no avail.
05:59<Dreakon>I've tried removing it and redetecting and setting it up, but it still doesn't work.
06:04<amitz>how deleting the device, restart, and reconnecting the device?
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06:15<simNIX>is there a specific channel for questions about squeeze ?
06:15<dr|z3d>simNIX: This one's it.
06:18<simNIX>I upgraded to squeeze and it ran fin. Then I installed a whole lot I thought only docs. After a reboot xorg is gone and I seem to have nvidia-glx installed while I have a intel card. aptitude removing nvidia-glx fails stating: rm Can't remove /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extentions/libGLcore.a File doesnt excists
06:18<simNIX>cant aptitude reinstall xorg becouse of this
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06:19<simNIX>can I somehow say reinstall all packages orso ?
06:20<simNIX>or ignore and just remove
06:20<dr|z3d>aptitude reinstall <package>
06:20<dr|z3d>Oh, all packages?
06:20<dr|z3d>Why would you want to do that?
06:22<dr|z3d>If it ain't broken, it don't need fixin'.
06:22<simNIX>when I do aptitide reinstall xorg it says nvidia-glx has to go which fails. I mean is there a way to check / fix all packages installed ?
06:23<dr|z3d>Look at Synaptic. It has a section for broken package installs.
06:23<simNIX>I think if I can remove nvidia-glx that im good - but I don't get how
06:23<EmleyMoor>Is there a good way to use the sid nvidia modules on lenny?
06:23<simNIX>synaptic = x
06:23<simNIX>and this brakes x for me
06:23<dr|z3d>Ah, you're not in X.
06:23<simNIX>I was before I installed load of docs
06:24<simNIX>after reboot x is gone and intel vidoe driver is replaced by nvidia one
06:25<simNIX>on trying to remove nvidia driver im stuck at removing nvidia-glx - it complains /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libGLcore.a is missing so it can't remove it
06:25<simNIX>which makes I cant reinstall x
06:27<karme>simNIX: touch /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libGLcore.a
06:28<EmleyMoor>Failing that, how can I run a more basic X without the nvidia drivers?
06:29<EmleyMoor>(if I need the new kernel, I will want the nvidia drivers, but if not, I will revert to the old kernel)
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06:35<simNIX>karme; echo it didnt take but a echo 123 > it did - ty - )
06:36<simNIX>sorry *touch didint take ...
06:38<simNIX>x is greeting me agian - ty to all that help made squeeze
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06:44<karme>simNIX: probably was a dangling symlink?
06:45<karme>simNIX: hmm forget it - should have worked anyway
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06:48<EmleyMoor>I'm currently running lenny with a standard kernel and nvidia drivers. I need to try a backported kernel as part of a fault investigation. I therefore need to switch back to an ordinary driver. If the new kernel resolves my problem I will then need to backport the nvidia drivers from sid. I seek guidance on these points.
06:48<simNIX>im not sure what coused it or what it was karme - sorry
06:49<jm_>you won't be able to backport nvidia driver from sid without major upgrades, including debhelper and dpkg
06:49<EmleyMoor>jm_: I thought so - thanks for confirming it. Is there any other way forward?
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06:52<jm_>EmleyMoor: backporting version 185 is much easier
06:52<EmleyMoor>jm_: Right - can you point me in the right direction?
06:53<jm_>EmleyMoor: also, 2.6.32 from backports is missing linux-kbuild-2.6.32 package (at least for amd64), while it exists for .30 version; this too is a possible showstopper
06:53<jm_>EmleyMoor: for?
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06:53<EmleyMoor>jm_: Resolved the kbuild already
06:53<EmleyMoor>jm_: Backporting 185
06:54<jm_>EmleyMoor: well just get the source package for it and use debuild to build the deb-s
06:55<EmleyMoor>I'm not sure how to get a "not currently in use" version
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06:55<jm_> has it, just downloaded it two hours ago for my i386->amd64 conversion
06:56<EmleyMoor>Ah, right - will look there
06:57<EmleyMoor>I can't understand the layout
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06:58<jm_>just search for nvidia-graphics-drivers
06:58<EmleyMoor>Yes, getting there now
07:03<EmleyMoor>I've got the files but not sure how to proceed
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07:04<jm_>which files did you download?
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07:05<jm_>there should be 3
07:05<EmleyMoor>The three nvidia-graphics-drivers ones
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07:05<jm_>I also recommend newer nvidia-kernel-common
07:05<jm_>just do: dpkg-source -x *.dsc
07:05<jm_>cd <newdir> && debuild -uc -us -b
07:07<EmleyMoor>How much newer on nvidia-kernel-common?
07:08<EmleyMoor>Ah, there is but one date
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07:19<EmleyMoor>OK - now I have all these debs, is there a specific order to install them in?
07:19<dr|z3d>!lart Faratl
07:19*dpkg decapitates Faratl conan the destroyer style
07:19<EmleyMoor>Faratl: Do you mean fsck?
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07:20<jm_>EmleyMoor: yes, nvidia-kernel-common & nvidia-kernel-source first, then build nvidia kernel module with m-a and then install it (if needed), followed by nvidia-glx
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07:21<EmleyMoor>What about libcuda and nvidia-libvdpau?
07:23<jm_>those only exist for driver ver 190.x
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07:23<EmleyMoor>jm_: Odd... my 185 has them
07:24<jm_>EmleyMoor: ahh I'm a dork, I verified incorrectly - yes they are there
07:24<jm_>installing those last is safe bet
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07:24<tuxcrafter>hi all can i better use a file from backports of testing when the main system is stable
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07:27<EmleyMoor>My only outstanding problem when this is done will be kvm
07:27<EmleyMoor>nvidia-kernel is installing :-)
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07:49<simonrvn>miroslav: fix your network
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07:51<simNIX>i'm on squeeze and im trying to add miro; it saysit depends on xulrunner-1.9 which it says is not installable (1.9.1 is installed already) - googling I find
07:52<simNIX>wondering if there's a fix known already or if help is needed to deug it - I can't code but can test
07:52<jm_>where did you get miro from?
07:53<jm_>I recommend you get source package for it and fix it like mentioned in this bug report
07:54<simNIX>its currently not installed. I got squeeze and lenny-backports in sources.list and am trynig to add with synaptic
07:55<simNIX>at end report I don't see fix but that it reapered - ill read all msg again closely
07:56<simNIX>o a control file
07:56<simNIX>whre are the control files stored I wonder
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07:57<faust1002>hello guys
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07:59<jm_>in source package
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09:32<jespada>Hi, can someone remember me how I can set my sound config, because when I login my mic an speakers are mute
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09:35<titan8990>jespada: in what version of debian?
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09:36<jespada>testing titan8990
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09:37<titan8990>jespada: in > squeeze its automagic.. alsaconf was removed
09:38<titan8990>jespada: but if mute is the problem: alsamixer
09:38<jcdubacq>I am trying to setup schroot, but it does not execute any setup scripts
09:38<jespada>ok let me take a look....tks titan8990
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09:43<locklace>!slap FUTBITO
09:43*dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across FUTBITO's face
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09:44<[newbie]>so what
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09:44<frahman>is there anyone can help me?
09:45<petemc>frahman: you need to ask a question first
09:45<frahman>sure. thnx :)
09:46<FUTBITO>can anuyone help me?
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09:47<frahman>the thing is i am logged in using my user name and when I try to go to synaptic manager, system asks me root password. I enter that. i get a message "Incorrect p;assword"
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09:47<jMCg>FUTBITO: with being spanish? WITH FIXING YOUR CAPSLOCK KEY? Or with asking a question? In the right forum, so you're understood?
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09:48<FUTBITO>i dont understand
09:48<dpkg>Test failed.
09:48<frahman>But the root password is correct
09:48<jMCg>!tell FUTBITO -about es
09:48<FUTBITO>what i just want is to go to spanish channel
09:48<FUTBITO>this is a shit
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09:49<noflash> /ignore -replies FUTBITO
09:49<frahman>can you help me, pls?
09:49<petemc>frahman: can you su to root in a terminal ?
09:49<frahman>i did.
09:49<frahman>the pass works there
09:50<jMCg>frahman: are you sure it's not sudo, asking for *your* password?
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09:51<frahman>I tried every password I have
09:51<petemc>does your password contain any strange characters
09:51<jMCg>frahman: what, exactly, does the auth log say? (If you don't know where the auth log is, grep -i auth /etc/*syslog*)
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09:51<frahman>it works on terminal
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09:53<frahman>even when I try to get access to ntfs partition from the kde menu. it asks root password.
09:53<frahman>I type it
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09:53<frahman>the same message
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09:53<frahman>Incorrect Password
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09:54<_>anybody use LXDE ?
09:54<jMCg>_: that's not very helpful.
09:54<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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09:54<jMCg>I think the espresso's making me blind.
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09:55<frahman>ok specifically it asks me KDE su password.
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09:56<frahman>petemc r u there?
09:56<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
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09:56<petemc>frahman: i am, i dont use a linux desktop so am no help to you
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09:56<frahman>Thanx petemc
09:57<frahman>Is anyone there use linux?
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09:59<frahman>JMCg can you help me?
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09:59<jMCg>15:51 < jMCg> frahman: what, exactly, does the auth log say? (If you don't know where the auth log is, grep -i auth /etc/*syslog*)
10:00<prahal>frahman, caps lock ?
10:00<frahman>auth,authpriv.* /var/log/auth.log
10:00<frahman>*.*;auth,authpriv.none -/var/log/syslog
10:00<frahman> auth,authpriv.none;\
10:00<frahman> auth,authpriv.none;\
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10:02<maestro>hi hi
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10:02<prahal>hi should I create a debian wiki page if all I have to tell about getting a specific laptop working is generic linux tips ?
10:02<prahal>frahman, pastebin
10:02<frahman>syslog says-- auth,authpriv.* /var/log/auth.log
10:02<frahman>*.*;auth,authpriv.none -/var/log/syslog
10:02<frahman> auth,authpriv.none;\
10:02<frahman> auth,authpriv.none;\
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10:03<prahal>frahman, use pastebin
10:03<frahman>syslog says
10:03<prahal>or you ll be auto kicked
10:03<frahman>i am new here
10:03<prahal>frahman, read the topic :)
10:04<prahal>ie /msg dpkg pastebin
10:04<prahal>the no flood comment in it
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10:06<prahal>the auth log is not in /etc ... it is in /var/log/auth.log
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10:08<frahman>it says auth,authpriv.none;\
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10:08<prahal>it is /var/log/auth.log . tail /var/log/auth.log should provides insights about the last attempts
10:09<jingchuan>every one
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10:09<prahal>jingchuan, hi
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10:09<jingchuan>nice to meet you
10:09<jingchuan>i am from china
10:09<jingchuan>and you ?
10:10<prahal>france ... a bit out of topic but still . Good wind bring you here or issues ?
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10:10<jingchuan>thank you
10:10<frahman>it says auth,authpriv.none;\
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10:10<jingchuan>france is a beautiful country!
10:11<jingchuan>nice to meet you ! my friend!
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10:11<jingchuan>i am studying English! and you ?>
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10:11<prahal>yes small but colorful . By the way do you know if smartq are readeable in sun light ?
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10:12<prahal>they are glossy devices ... I plan to install debian on one of them (but I need my friend in china to buy it first)
10:13<jingchuan>how much?
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10:13<prahal>jingchuan, this is a techy channel (about helping with debian specific issue) . we could chat in #debian-offtopic
10:13<jingchuan>i know a little
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10:14<jingchuan>O MY GOD . THE TIME IS SO LATE
10:14<Patriot>hi jinchong
10:14<jingchuan>Now i must to go to bed
10:14<jingchuan>hi patriot
10:14<jingchuan>how are you , where are you from?>
10:14<Patriot>119 stands for pakistan
10:15<Patriot>fine here.
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10:15<prahal>hey sleep is pretty critical :) rest well
10:15<jingchuan>i must go to bed
10:15<prahal>we really should have moved to offtopic chan :/
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10:16<jingchuan>see you tomorrow
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10:38<zeroXten>what is the easiest way of adding ca certs non-interactively? if i dump them in /usr/share/ca-certificates then i tick them using dpkg-reconfigure ca-certificates, but i would like to automagically tick them somehow.
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10:41<EmleyMoor>Can a user set his own timezone?
10:43<bja>EmleyMoor: you mean two different users on two different time zones?
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10:44<EmleyMoor>bja: Yes - say there was a remote user elsewhere in the world...
10:44<bja>EmleyMoor: I don't know if it is possible, I uset
10:45<bja>UTC as a time zone whenever i have that problem
10:45<EmleyMoor>I use UTC on announcements anyway
10:48<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... user can set his TZ to a particular zoneinfo file, it seems
10:48<prahal>you could do it in gnome via the clock applet . I do not hiink it makes sense to have a computer setting for each user . A session setting makee more sense to me
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10:49<prahal>oh a session setting that apply to all applications not only gnome ones . Environment variable looks like a good bet
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10:51<EmleyMoor>prahal: The gnome setting is potentially good on my laptop when I go to France
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10:52<EmleyMoor>My desktop machine does have a few overseas users anyway
10:52<prahal> is the env variable you told about
10:52<prahal>I wonder if the per user xsession setting got implemented . Checking
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10:54<prahal> $HOME/.xsessionrc if the file is present. This allows the user to set global environment variables for their X session, such as locale information.
10:54<prahal>man xsession
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10:54<prahal>it got implemented :) was not back in 2003 when I struggle to find how to set environment variable for X session . Good thing !
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10:56<amitz>what's the channel for mandarin speaking debian?
10:56<dpkg>hmm... cn is China, or for help in chinese please join #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
10:57<amitz>ah, thanks
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11:31<saste>hi all
11:31<saste>do you have idea how can I enable the debugging symbols for libc6?
11:32<ansgar>saste: aptitude install libc6-dbg
11:32<petemc> the standard way is to install foo-dbg package
11:32<saste>file /lib/libc* only shows stripped lib
11:32<saste>I already installed libc6-dbg
11:32<saste>I wonder if I have to follow some particular procedure to ensure that programs are compiled using that
11:32<ansgar>saste: debug symbols are in /usr/lib/debug, gdb should pick them up automatically.
11:33<saste>ansgar: thanks it makes sense
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11:37<edbian>I have an SSH server set up from my home and other people have set up bots that try to log into my server by randomly guessing user names and passwords. I have a script set up that adds them to /etc/hosts.deny so it's not an issue for me really but should I report these people to my ISP ??
11:37<@Ganneff>no. to their ISP
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11:37<edbian>Ganneff, All I have is IP addresses. How can I find ISP? tracert?
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11:38<edbian>Ganneff, In your opinion, Are these people abusing their internet?
11:39<bja>edbian: mhi is that you will not gain anyting on most of the cases. A few times specially on .de domains people take this very seriously
11:40<edbian>bja, mhi ??
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11:41<bja>edbian: s/mhi/imho
11:41<bja>caffeine deprived sorry
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11:41<edbian>bja, no prob
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11:51<TCW>Yeah... if you think too much about it, it gets kinda depressing how (not) serious most russian / asian / african / whatever-apart-from-de-or-the-western-world ISPs handle abuse complaints.
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12:10<bja>Does anyone knows how to stop touchpads from suddenly drifting from one window to another?
12:11<mjt>touchpads usually stay in the place where they screwed to the laptop...
12:11<bja>mjt: well mine sometimes goes to fetch me a coffee, i believe that would be the problem
12:11<titan8990>bja: it my case, the trackpad was actually doing that and not the touchpad
12:12<bja>titan8990: how did you corrected it?
12:12<bja>Sometimes its quite anoying
12:13<titan8990>bja: honesty, I pulled the rubber casing off the trackpad
12:13<mjt>i've seen quite several mouses (optical, notable genius mini-traveller ones) which jumps or shakes on some surfaces
12:13<mjt>and moves
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12:13<sney>the trackpoint in my old thinkpad used to get wedged against the G key and constantly go up and to the right
12:13<titan8990>bja: I am sure your looking for a better solution though
12:13<mjt>for a touchpad... maybe it's just dirty and needs cleaning?
12:14<bja>titan8990: yeap, something a little more sw based
12:15<bja>mjt: i use baby cleaning towels to clean it regularly
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12:16<nabbfjun>I'm trying to debug my debian server without xorg, but when I plug in the monitor it's just black. Any command to recognize the monitor?
12:17<bja>nabbfjun: no ssh?
12:17<nabbfjun>Yeah, I have ssh connection, but it has been acting up lately, being slow and we need to test on the machine itself
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12:18<titan8990>nabbfjun: the TTY goes black like a screensaver. try hitting an arrow key
12:18<nabbfjun>Yeah, I've been mashing keys like crazy
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12:20<titan8990>reboot it
12:20<amz>who have debian + windows xp + full hdd truecrypt encryption?
12:20<bja>!tell amz about assk
12:20<bja>!tell amz about ask
12:20<nabbfjun>It's very important not to, as it has been acting up and becoming really slow after a month uptime and we kind of need to catch the problem while it's there
12:20<nabbfjun>Rebooting fixes the issue... for another month
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12:22<titan8990>nabbfjun: serial console?
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12:23<nabbfjun>It lacks a serial port :/
12:24<amz>bja: ?
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12:25<amz>bja: where i shuld install truecrypt, under windows or debian, and that will work under windows and debian?
12:26<bja>amz: if it is directed to the channel someone can help you. I ditched windows long ago. I have a copy around because of companie policies.
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12:27<amz>sney: good luck
12:28<amz>because of it i ask
12:28<amz>try to found and give me link
12:28<jMCg>I'm looking to find where exactly my braino is in this stuff: - If someone can help, I'd apreciate it very much (This particular example is from Fedora, but the same applies on Debian, of course)
12:29<sney>looks like there are a few right there. Truecrypt isn't supported in debian because it's non-free, but once you get it installed the technique is the same as it would be from centos or ubuntu or whatever
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12:44<dijz>Hi, I use squeeze, and no more can print by xpdf with cups, can you print?
12:44<dijz>I get: Apr 23 13:43:26 tx kernel: [25012.830555] gs[9360]: segfault at 3fb ip b6ea055e sp bf962978 error 6 in[b6e2b000+141000]
12:45<sney>dijz: weird, did you check for a bug report? if there isn't one you should file it
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12:45<titan8990>dijz: I don't think xpdf is in squeeze. IIRC it was dropped due to oustanding security bugs
12:45<titan8990>,versions xpdf
12:45<judd>xpdf -- etch: 3.01-9.1+etch5; etch-security: 3.01-9.1+etch6; etch-backports: 3.02-1.4~bpo40+1; lenny: 3.02-1.4+lenny1; lenny-security: 3.02-1.4+lenny2; sid: 3.02-2
12:45<mjt>that's gs segfaults, not xpdf
12:45<titan8990>dijz: your mixing releases or have xpdf leftover from lenny
12:46<mjt>cups does not use xpdf anyway
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12:46<mjt>(but xpdf can use cups for printing :)
12:46<dijz>titan8990, what sofwhare for pdf can I use?
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12:47<mjt>evince, epdfview
12:47<titan8990>epdfview is my preference
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12:47*centyx uses epdfview
12:47<sney>mine as well
12:48<mjt>apt-cache search -n pdf view
12:48*mjt uses epdfview too
12:48<dijz>ok, I have removed xpdf and instaled epdfview, titan8990
12:48*ml| epdfview here also
12:48<mjt>but my guess that it wont help anyway.. ;)
12:48<mjt>because it's gs that's segfaulting
12:48<titan8990>dijz: so.. was it left over from lenny or are you running a squeeze/sid mix?
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12:50<dijz>titan8990, I have squeeze and sid, maybe :)
12:50<mjt>xpdf-3.02-2 is available in sid
12:50<mjt>but not in squeeze
12:50<dijz>ok, now I sucess print !!!
12:50*mjt takes his words back...
12:50<titan8990>mjt: :p
12:51<dijz>mjt, I no more can run dpkg -l xpdf and have anwser...
12:52<mjt>because it's not installed since yuo removed it
12:52<dijz>thanks titan8990 , mjt and sney
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12:52<titan8990>dijz: np
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12:53<ml|>I was curious and xpdf prints fine here
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12:58<GPRS>hai gus
12:59<GPRS>how to connect yahoo messenger from linux
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13:00<titan8990>GPRS: what version of debian are you using?
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13:00<GPRS>debian lenny
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13:01<GPRS>titan: I am using debian 5.0 lenny
13:01<titan8990>GPRS: pigdin. if it doesn't work, install the one from lenny-backports
13:02<GPRS>titan: i installed the latest pidgin <2.4.3> no yahoo account option in the list
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13:03<titan8990>,versions pigdin
13:03<judd>Sorry, no package named 'pigdin' was found.
13:03<titan8990>,versions pidgin
13:03<judd>pidgin -- etch-backports: 2.4.3-4lenny5~bpo40+1; lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny5; lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny6; squeeze: 2.6.5-2; lenny-backports: 2.6.6-1~bpo50+1; sid: 2.6.6-2
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13:03<ml|>dpkg pidgin yahoo
13:03<dpkg>Yahoo! Inc. dropped support for older Yahoo! Messenger clients in late June 2009, affecting users of <Pidgin> versions <= 2.5.6; additional details at . Fixed since pidgin 2.5.7-1 (BTS #533729). Lenny users, ask me about <bpo> and install a later pidgin version from lenny-backports.
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13:04<titan8990>GPRS: yep, you need the one from lenny-backports
13:04<titan8990>!tell GPRS about bpo
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13:04<titan8990>ml|: msn did the same I think
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13:04<ml|>ok, I don't use either, just helping
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13:05<GPRS>titan: thank you for you support. thank you very much
13:05<titan8990>ml|: neither do I. IRC and xmpp is enough
13:06<titan8990>GPRS: no problem :)
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13:11<darrob>hi. does somebody know how to dump a .dir/.pag (DBM?) database to clear text?
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13:13<locklace>darrob: makedbm(1)
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13:14<locklace>or (8) in linux i guess
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13:14<bja>!pie locklace
13:14*dpkg hits locklace in the face with a cream pie
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13:19<mimmu>Hello. I am having trouble with a Pinnacle TV Tuner. I have followed every tutorial I can find but I still can not get it to find any channels when I scan. The output always gives a "tuning failed" error. My pastebin output is here: Can anyone give me some insight into how to get this thing working?
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13:22<darrob>locklace: thanks. i can't find that command or man page though. do i possibly need to install a new package or what could i be doing wrong?
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13:25<locklace>darrob: it's in the "nis" package, i guess
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13:26<darrob>locklace: thank you, i'll have a look at that then.
13:26<locklace>darrob: but that version uses gdbm, not sure if that's what you want
13:26<locklace>darrob: anyway, you can do it with one line in perl or whatever
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13:29<darrob>locklace: i don't want to do much with the database. just dump it to clear text would suffice for now. so i suppose i should try to find someone with perl knowledge then. :)
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13:34<nathan_>darrob, what is the problem?
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13:38<darrob>nathan_: i've got a mozbot infobot that stores its factoids in a dir/pag style database. i was wondering if there's a simple way to dump that to something easier to work with (for me) like csv or someting.
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13:40<nathan_>darrob, you want to dump the content of the database?
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13:41<darrob>nathan_: yes
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13:43<nathan_>darrob, but why you want to get the content of the database in csv format. It is not more simple to directly read the informations in the db?
13:43<darrob>you know, for example to be able to put it on a website or something. isn't there a db dump of the dpkg bot too? that's what i'm considering to do.
13:44<nathan_>darrob, you don't only want to get the database informations?
13:44<nathan_>darrob, in fact i don't want you want to do with the content of the database
13:44<darrob>nathan_: is it? i had to start asking something and my approach seemed to be quite simple. :)
13:46<darrob>nathan_: so how would i use that database then? would the makedbm comment be like a mysql client or something?
13:46<darrob>am i missing something bigger here than just the right tool by the way?
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13:46<locklace>darrob: if you intend to use the db from a program, like a web script, it's better for that program to work directly with the db using the dbm api
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13:47<locklace>darrob: but there are legitimate reasons just to dump the contents to text, which is also trivial as i said
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13:48<bja>!es-social rock_AND_roll
13:48<dpkg>rock_AND_roll: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
13:48<locklace>!confuse rock_AND_roll
13:48<dpkg>No, where are our weasel tomorrow, rock_AND_roll? Wellies of the Monarchy of Tahiti with extra cheese.
13:48<nathan_>darrob, so you are looking for a soft witch can read a db and dump the content in a csv format?
13:48<nathan_>just for read it?
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13:48<darrob>nathan_: yes, basically
13:49<nathan_>darrob, write it :)
13:49<rock_AND_roll>pero ablar en spanish intentarlo
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13:49<nathan_>it's maybe a good way to contribute to the open-source :)
13:50<locklace>rock_AND_roll: aqui se habla ingles solamente, niño con retraso de una hiena leprosa
13:50<rock_AND_roll>tu que me estas chuleando o que
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13:52<nathan_>darrob, i find something witch explain how to write sql rules to dump it in csv plain text file
13:52<nathan_>but all
13:53<nathan_>a basic program like this should exist
13:53<rock_AND_roll>po pa retraso tu mamon
13:53<sney>!ops rock_AND_roll
13:53<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: sney complains about: rock_AND_roll
13:53-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*usuario@90.168.139.*] by Ganneff
13:53-!-rock_AND_roll was kicked from #debian by Ganneff [rock_AND_roll]
13:53<retrospectacus>mimmu: for some reason you cannot write to your home dir
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13:55<chl>a stupid question. is chorme the same as chormium?
13:55<chl>I am following the instruction at
13:55<mimmu>retrospectacus, why do you say that?
13:56<retrospectacus>mimmu: though that does appear unrelated to your problem, which I know nothing about
13:56<chl>trying to play quake on html 5, supported by chorme.
13:56<retrospectacus>mimmu: line 2 of your paste
13:56<chl>but when going to
13:56<jcdubacq>bts show 'src:courier' => bts: couldn't download
13:56<chl>seems it only has binary chorme.
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13:57<titan8990>chl: if you search, they have a page that describes the differences
13:57<retrospectacus>mimmu: or that file channels.conf already exists, owned by root
13:58<mimmu>retrospectacus, yep, that was the situation, trying again...
13:58-!-mode/#debian [-b *!*usuario@90.168.139.*] by Ganneff
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13:59<retrospectacus>mimmu: like I said though, that will not likely fix your problem, which I know nothing about
13:59<chl>titan8990: thanks. will check that.
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14:00<juanjo>i m espanish
14:00<Hydroxide>juanjo: !es
14:00<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
14:01<juanjo>quien mas ?
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14:01<mimmu>retrospectacus, true story, did not fix my problems
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14:05*deejoe was expecting something in the /topic about packages.d.o being down
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14:06<titan8990>deejoe: I don't think it has been down long
14:06<retrospectacus>it was up for me about 20 minutes ago...
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14:07<retrospectacus>deejoe: is there something we can help you with in the meantime?
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14:08<bja>!es-social rock_AND_roll
14:08<dpkg>rock_AND_roll: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
14:08<sney>rock_AND_roll: has vuelto ya? fff analfabeto
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14:08<retrospectacus>rock_AND_roll: do you have a question in English about Debian?
14:09<retrospectacus>ok bye
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14:12<bja> anyone /msg chanserv quiet #debian add rock_AND_roll
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14:14<retrospectacus>maybe his mom took the keyboard away
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14:15<nathan_>i'm trying to compile gtk+ from source but i've got an error with pango : I've installed pango of course, i create a libpango.conf in and i run ldconfig but without success. I taked a look at the pango website but i didn't find anything
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14:19<retrospectacus>nathan_: perhaps you need libpango1.0-dev
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14:21<deejoe>retrospectacus: found what I was looking for here
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14:22<retrospectacus>slurm? awesome
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14:22<deejoe>slurm-llnl, not to be confused with the interface monitor
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14:23<retrospectacus>oh I was confusing it with the soda from Futurama
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14:27<ACEP>ops $problem
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14:36<mezimezim>Hi there, I am using openoffice on a debian system and I have removed the package, because I use a dark theme and it looks bad otherwise. However, I lost the nice gnome file browser at the same time....any idea how I can get just that back, i.e. the gnome file browser?
14:39<retrospectacus>aptitude install nautilus ... that is the file browser. However if you removed that you would have bigger problems I think
14:39<retrospectacus>nautilus also renders the icons on the desktop
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14:42<mezimezim>retrospectacus: I still have nautilus! what I don't have is the file gnome-looking file browser within openoffice, the one you are left with after removing the package is inconvenient to use (no shortcuts, etc)
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15:00<EmleyMoor>My USB problem has gone away now I've got the new kernel up
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15:09<And1>Hey folks, how can I restart mouse services?
15:09<Tom__>Maybe /etc/init.d/gpm restart
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15:10<Tom__>Although if you're using X that probably won't do anything
15:10<And1>Hmm, there's just gdm.
15:10<And1>Do I have to restart X? :/
15:10<amphi>what's happened to the mouse?
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15:11<Tom__>Wh.. yeah
15:11<And1>Seems it just freezed.
15:11<amphi>is it usb?
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15:11<And1>Yes, amphi.
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15:12<amphi>did you try unplugging and replugging it?
15:12<And1>I'll try.
15:12<amphi>worth a try IMHO
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15:13<And1>dmesg doesn't show anything.
15:16<And1>Hmm, reboot did help.
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15:16<Tom__>I don't know why your mouse would stop working on its own
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15:18<arbo->bad connector? I know I have an old mouse that would only function if you pinched a certain part of the wire. shit happens- might not be software related.
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15:19<Tom__>I don't suspect bad hardware for some reason
15:19*arbo- shrugs
15:19<Tom__>That's just my suspicions :-)
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16:46<bremner_>I have a public key in putty format; I need to convert it into openssh format. Can I do that in Debian? puttygen seems to want the private/public key pair.
16:47<retrospectacus>there are not different formats... puttygen creates the pair.
16:48<bremner_>ok, but I have only one of the pair and I need it in one line format. Is putty the same as commercial ssh?
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16:49<retrospectacus>I don't believe there is any "commercial" ssh... public keys are one line
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16:50<retrospectacus>one line like: ssh-dss AAAAB3NzaC1kc3MAAACBALfUSMgYVo/3W5q.......== somename
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16:51<centyx>All I remember about the non-free ssh was that it supported chroot early on. I remember missing it when I moved to openssh.
16:51<centyx>but that's not a problem anymore.
16:51<bremner_>retrospectacus: yes, I know what openssh keys look like. I have the one that begins "---- BEGIN SSH2 PUBLIC KEY BLOCK"
16:52<retrospectacus>that came from puttygen?
16:52<bremner_>for the record, the answer to my question is "ssh-keygen -i"
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16:55<retrospectacus>huh. Apparently it's been too long since I used Windows... I didn't know there were other ssh-key formats
16:55<titan8990>putty is also a linux application. I use it for serial connections.
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16:58<jay_>is virtualbox supported here?
16:59<titan8990>jay_: trying to get squeeze or sid to work?
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17:00<jay_>titan8990 no, I'm trying to see why I cant use the usb ports in the guest OS
17:01<titan8990>jay_: its only available in the proprietary versions, not the OSE
17:01<jay_>that's the one I' using
17:02<titan8990>jay_: the guest also needs to have the proprietary guest-additions installed. also, the usb can not be in use by the host
17:03<jay_>titan8990 ok, I'll look into that, thanks. Looking...
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17:06<Father0fNine>Is there a way of getting a clean snmp setup without all the MIB warnings?
17:06<Father0fNine>with Debian...
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17:16<EmleyMoor>The microphone on the audio device in my keyboard is not picked up - the output works though. Any advice? I have already checked the mixer
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17:25<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... ekiga can't pick it up but with persuasion, audacity can
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17:29<EmleyMoor>I can't understand this - why would ekiga ignore the microphone?
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17:40<Deklan>Yo, think anyone can help me with a problem I'm having installing Debian?
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17:41<EmleyMoor>Deklan: You'd have to tell us what it is :-)
17:42<Deklan>Well my install goes fine until I get to the "Select and install software" step
17:42<Deklan>at about 10% it just fails
17:42<EmleyMoor>"just fails" - any error message?
17:42<Deklan>not that I know how to get to
17:42<EmleyMoor>Does it freeze or stop?
17:43<Deklan>saying it failed
17:43<Deklan>continue to next step
17:43<Deklan>or whatever
17:44<EmleyMoor>Without seeing exactly what it says, I can't tell...
17:44<Deklan>Pretty sure it's just the default "this step failed" message
17:44<Deklan>nothing specific
17:45<EmleyMoor>Does it fail in the same place if you try again?
17:45<noflash>Deklan, is this lenny?
17:45<Deklan>Oh, and I think it says "Cleaning up..." right before failing
17:45<EmleyMoor>I can no longer get things that need root to come up in lenny - I get prompted for the password as I used to, but then nothing happens
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17:46<Deklan>yes its lenny
17:46<EmleyMoor>(I speak of things that need X - like Synaptic or Root Terminal)
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17:47<Tom__>Emley: Are there any messages in ~/.xsession-errors ?
17:47<Deklan>is there some log I can save somehow to specifically find out the problem?
17:47<Tom__>Deklan: I missed the beginning... are you using Synaptic?
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17:48<EmleyMoor>** (nm-applet:13396): WARNING **: <WARN> nma_dbus_init(): could not acquire its service. dbus_bus_acquire_service() says: 'Connection ":1.51" is not allowed to own the service "org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo" due to security policies in the configuration file'
17:49<EmleyMoor>(is the only message, repeating)
17:49<Tom__>Emley: Oi yoi yoi
17:49<Deklan>Tom: I'm installing Debian and it keeps failing at "Select and install software"
17:49<Deklan>same place
17:50<Tom__>Deklan: Ohh
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17:51<adb>Deklan, seems you have connection issues , look on Alt+F4 for messages
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17:51<Tom__>Emley: I have no idea. You can get root manually from su - , probably
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17:52<LeperQuorn>forum down?
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17:52<nabbfjun>How the hell do I install debian from an USB? Even if I get the install booting it complains about not habing a CD-ROM drive which can be used for installation!
17:52<EmleyMoor>Tom__: It's not the getting of root that's amiss... and it has only happened since I switched to a backported kernel and nvidia drivers
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17:52<gsimmons>LeperQuorn: WRT, yes.
17:53<LeperQuorn>k...thanks gsimmons
17:54<LeperQuorn>Just had a major problem with squeeze which I only installed 2 days ago
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17:54<LeperQuorn>Wouldn't boot. Complained ext4-fs io error
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17:55<LeperQuorn>Ran fsck from another linux install and Im back here...
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17:56<LeperQuorn>KDE version of squeeze drills your HD... Indexing?
17:56<scientes>whats the repo of everything ever uploaded
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18:00<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... things may be working again
18:01<EmleyMoor>root terminal but no synaptic
18:01<EmleyMoor>Can run synaptic from the root terminal
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18:07<titan8990>!tell scientes about snapshots
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18:09<scientes>what is the archive filesystem
18:10<scientes>so you can mount a .tar.gz?
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18:12<TCW>scientes, tar.gz is not very good "mountable" like other formats. As it was designed with tape-drives in mind there is nothing in a tar Archive that comes even remotely close to a real filesystem for random-access medias (like harddisks, floppies, cdroms, ...).
18:13<scientes>not read-only?
18:13<TCW>That said, there MAY be a fuse plugin for mounting a tar archive but I highly doubt it
18:13<TCW>scientes, read-only?
18:13<scientes>i ran into a fuse once
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18:14<scientes>forget what it was called
18:14<TCW>scientes, hm?
18:14<titan8990>fuse is a kernel module that allows for filesystem drivers in userspace
18:14<scientes>i know what FUSE is
18:14<scientes>but a FUSE module for this use
18:14<Tom__>I just looked up archive filesystem and found arcfs for Linux 2.4. Don't know if it's in Debian
18:15<TCW> <- scientes oh, look
18:15<titan8990>2.4 is ancient
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18:15<nabbfjun>How the hell do I get debian on a USB?
18:15<titan8990>nabbfjun: for installation or for a live usb?
18:15<nabbfjun>For installation
18:16<titan8990>!usb install
18:16<dpkg>Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at BIOS can't boot from USB? Use
18:16<titan8990>nabbfjun: if you don't have linux system currently to create the USB, I think you can use ubuntu's usb creater thingy
18:16<nabbfjun>Got the 40 mb buisnesscard iso bootable, but during the installation it errors out with a red screen telling me that I don't have a CD-ROM drive suitable for installation -.-
18:17<titan8990>nabbfjun: that is common for people who try to use unetbootin. which method did you use?
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18:18<nabbfjun>no, used some universal thingy thingy
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18:18<nabbfjun>The thing is I don't have access to any linux machine
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18:19<titan8990>nabbfjun: that unversal things was probably unetbootin. common issue, like I said
18:19<nabbfjun>Universal USB Installer from
18:19<okuma9>available for windows
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18:20<titan8990>okuma9: did you miss where I mentioned that it has the same common issue as the one he has already used?
18:21<titan8990>nabbfjun: let me check my logs, I know who typically recommends it
18:21<okuma9>yes i did, actually, i was scrolling back, and thought at the time that my comment would be helpful =/
18:22<adb>nabbfjun, /msg dpkg debian.exe
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18:23<titan8990>adb: I didn't think that was supported here
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18:23<titan8990>dpkg: usb install is also to create the drive from windows
18:23<dpkg>titan8990: that's too long
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18:25<titan8990>dpkg: usb install =~ s, (Older, outdated article at, to create the drive from windows,
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18:28<nostmith>anyone know what happen with
18:28<adb>seems down ..
18:28<TCW>I _hope_ it is gone for good
18:28<bremner_>TCW: luddite
18:28<TCW>bremner_, huh?
18:29<nostmith>TCW, why?
18:29<bremner_>TCW: that was a complement. I thought you hated web forums like a sensible person.
18:29<TCW>nostmith, because forums suck... mailinglisten ftw!
18:30<bremner_>hence the luddite comment.
18:30<TCW>bremner_, I do, but I just don't know what "luddite" is / means :)
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18:30<bremner_>well, in common usage, it means "technolically conservative person"
18:30<Tom__>Luddites were people who followed someone named Ludd, who said that the workers should destroy all the machines that were replacing their jobs. For some reason it has religious connotations now.
18:31<okuma9>like the amish
18:31<nabbfjun>Tried that win32-image-writer, but when I try to boot it gives me "Could not find kernel image: linux"
18:32<Lethalman_>uhm I solved that but I don't remember how
18:32<TCW>Tom__, oh crap... does not sound like a compliment to me then :) I tend to think machines replacing humans is a good thing, the society just handles the whole thing completely wrong
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18:33<TCW>bremner_, so I am NOT technologically conservative, I love progress and evolution (not the mua)
18:33<titan8990>nabbfjun: when all else fails, you can always boot just about any live cd/usb and do a debootstrap install
18:34<bremner_>TCW: I'm glad we enjoyed this failed attempt at humour together. I now return you to your regularly scheduled debian topics.
18:34<Tom__>It turns out that Ludd was a fake person ... Wikipedia :-P
18:34<adb>nabbfjun, maybe try the kernel named 'install' , instead 'linux'
18:35<titan8990>nabbfjun: IMO usb installation in debian needs work
18:36<adb>titan8990, just do it ;)
18:36<nostmith>nabbfjun, do you have any other live cd/usb?
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18:36*TCW hugs bremner_ and gives him a warm: your're welcome :)
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18:37<nabbfjun>We don't have any external CD drive atm, but we seem to get some progress with unetbootin now :)
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18:47<TCW>I always prefer install via pxe. It needs some prework but the flexibility is just cool :) and You don't tend to loose pxe/tftpd/ servers, but usb sticks ;)
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18:48<N-C-I-S_>hello all
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18:51<EmleyMoor>Since I updated the backported kernel on my laptop, the high "BEEP!" it used to give before login or if a wrong password is used when unlocking has become more of a rasping "BUZZ!" - sound otherwise seems fine. Why would that be?
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19:00<titan8990>EmleyMoor: pcspkr beep?
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19:03<EmleyMoor>titan8990: I think it is meant to be that, yes
19:04<titan8990>EmleyMoor: I can only help if you want to disable it entirely..
19:05<EmleyMoor>titan8990: No thanks, but thanks for the clue
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19:12<fredz>I have 2 identical servers, I am wanting to know what would be the best way to replicate the original server onto the replacement server. That would include the mysql data bases and deamons/services.
19:14<fredz>The original server needs to be taken down for a service but it is part of our production system.
19:14<TCW>fredz, no downtime allowed at all?
19:15<fredz>I would prefer not as it is always being used.
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19:16<TCW>fredz, _no_ downtime allowed (not even a few minutes) may involve very complex solutions... like, clustering
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19:16<fredz>TCW: thanks, I will go away and look into what is involved.
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19:17<TCW>fredz, better stay and tell your findings :)
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20:00<adb> gah seems down too
20:01<bja>adb: from #d-d DOWN: {wiki,buildd,...}
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20:01<adb>bja, thx
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20:55<dbldtx>jm_ here?
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21:08<Dreakon>Hey peeps, whats some of the best native linux multiplayer games? Any good, lower spec MMORPG's?
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21:12<raccoon>Dreakon: quakeworld
21:12<raccoon>Dreakon: no mmorpg. but you wont need anything else.
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21:14<Dreakon>raccoon: I see, that wouldn't happen to be in the repo's would it?
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21:14<Dreakon>or do I have to build the source from the site for the linux client?
21:14<raccoon>Dreakon: nay, i dont think its in the official repos. there might be a custom repo for it, but check the official site and just download it
21:15<raccoon>Dreakon: theres nothing to compile, just run the appropiate binary
21:15<Dreakon>raccoon, ah, I see
21:15<Dreakon>I'll put that in the "someday" pile, I'm on my laptop and I dont have my mouse with me ;)
21:16<raccoon>Dreakon: ah. i'd suggest a mouse to go with that game... let me know when you're hooked up and we'll play a few ruonds
21:16<raccoon>Dreakon: if you really want MMORPGs there's a native Second Life client for linux
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21:17<Dreakon>raccoon, I could be wrong, but I was under the impression Second Life was for weirdo's that lack social skills. :P
21:17<raccoon>Dreakon: haha
21:17<Dreakon>Or is it more fun than that?
21:18<raccoon>Dreakon: i dunno, thats about the only thing i've heard about it aswell. a lot of anthros (furries) and fetishists do their thing in it
21:18<raccoon>Dreakon: other than that, im clueless
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21:18<Dreakon>raccoon, haha, I see. Hmm... I love Linux, I just need to find the perfect game for me ;)
21:19<Dreakon>I should just get World of Goo lol
21:19<raccoon>Dreakon: well, the first three quake games have native clients for linux. steam (half-life and derivatives) is under way, but still a closed beta :(
21:19<Tom__>Dreakon: for starters, then
21:20<Tom__>happypenguin's probably really old school by all your standards by now
21:20<Dreakon>Tom__, yeah, I know of places I can look. Where better to find the most popular games then from the people themselves? ;)
21:20<Tom__>Dreakon: I'm currently playing Pingus and Widelands
21:22<raccoon>Dreakon: oh, yeah, try teeworlds aswell
21:22<raccoon>Dreakon: it's a 2d version of a capture the flag (quake-ish)-style game, fast-paced and really quick to get into
21:23<raccoon>Dreakon: platform game, with grapple hooks and alot of weapons. like a combination of worms and quake iii
21:23<Dreakon>can I play it with just the keyboard?
21:23<Dreakon>cause thatd be pretty sweet lol
21:23<raccoon>Dreakon: hm, yeah, i guess you can do it. but you'll lose alot of the precision with the grapple hook :-D
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21:24<Dreakon>lol, sweetness :)
21:24<Dreakon>Um.. what is this Iris2, some kind of Ultima Online client?
21:24<Dreakon>I loved Ultima Online lol
21:26<raccoon>Dreakon: i think project entropia (MMORPG) has a linux client too, it's free to play but you can buy stuff with real money too
21:26<raccoon>Dreakon: you can also sell loot in-game and trade for real money :))
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21:29<Dreakon>raccoon, Project Entropia scares me ;)
21:29<Dreakon>I hear it's a bit easier to lose money then it is to gain.
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21:30<raccoon>yeah, i guess its balanced that way
21:30<raccoon>but theres alot of money laundring going on there and both the client and server is stuffed with security holes
21:30<raccoon>so i wouldnt put any real money in there :)
21:31<Dreakon>Haha :P I'd probably try my chances with the furries on Second Life before that then ;)
21:32<raccoon>prolly a bit safer :)
21:33<raccoon>im eager for a linux native steam client... i really wanna play Portal but as long as its windows only i wont
21:33<Dreakon>a linux steam client means all of its will go linux as well?
21:34<Dreakon>thatd be huge
21:34<Dreakon>all of its games*
21:34<raccoon>the steam client is already in closed beta, next step will be to port the actual games
21:34<Dreakon>GO SABRES! by the way
21:35<Dreakon>thatd be cool
21:35<raccoon>not officially, but their web servers reveals quite some info...
21:35<Dreakon>id enjoy playing portal
21:36<raccoon>yeah, portal is awesome...
21:36<raccoon>so simple :)
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21:46<beny>Iceweasel can't establish a connection to the server at :(
21:46<gsimmons>beny: wiki.d.o. is currently offline.
21:48<beny>gsimmons, so what's the channel to talk about a problem with Xorg and games on squeeze? ready to do a bugreport, but I'm not yet sure which package makes the problem
21:49<gsimmons>beny: You can describe the problem here.
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21:51<beny>gsimmons, I installed openarena, after a failed launching of it, i read the following message: ...setting mode 3: 640 480
21:51<beny>X Error of failed request: BadLength (poly request too large or internal Xlib length error)
21:51<titan8990>beny: does your driver support opengl?
21:52<beny>I also installed extremetuxracer and I got a seg fault when I launched it
21:53<beny>titan8990, nice answer sure! I installed fglrx drivers as that's written in the wiki page
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21:53<titan8990>beny: fglrx does not currently work nor is it in squeeze currently IIRC
21:53<titan8990>,versions fglrx-driver
21:53<judd>fglrx-driver -- etch/non-free: 8.28.8-4; etch-backports/non-free: 8.47.3-3~bpo40+1; lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4; sid/non-free: 1:10-3~prerelease-3; squeeze/non-free: 1:10-3~prerelease-3
21:53<titan8990>ah, looks like it finally made it
21:53<beny>but I tought iceweasel was more reactif
21:55<beny>I found a reactivity difference before and after the installation of these drivers
21:55<beny>(sorry for my bad english)
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21:56<titan8990>beny: pastebin: apt-cace policy libc6 libc6-dev
21:58<titan8990>beny: that looks fine but please use a pastebin next time
21:58<beny>when they aren't currently upgrading their software I'll do ;)
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22:02<titan8990>beny: glxinfo | grep 'OpenGL vendor string'
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22:03<beny>titan8990, empty string, what did I forget?
22:03<titan8990>beny: pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log
22:04<titan8990>beny: you mean emptry string as-in no output or it read: "OpenGL vendor string:" with nothing following?
22:05<beny>grep didn't match anything
22:05<titan8990>beny: just pastebin the entire output then
22:06<beny>I'd like if wouldn't give me the follwing message: We are currently upgrading our software, we will return in a few minutes.We are currently upgrading our software, we will return in a few minutes.Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (2)
22:06<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
22:06<titan8990>beny: there are quite a few different pastebin site out there
22:07<beny>dpkg told me that
22:07<dpkg>beny: I give up, what is it?
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22:09<titan8990>beny: your not using fglrx, your using radeon
22:09<ahoss>hello all !
22:10<titan8990>beny: looks like its probably from bad xorg.conf. generate a new one with with aticonfig --initial (i think)
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22:12<ahoss>i need a help for my usb sound card !
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22:14<beny>titan8990, that works really better!
22:14<ahoss>i cant get it working ! always this msg xine was unable to initialize....
22:15<titan8990>beny: do the games start now?
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22:15<beny>titan8990, sure! but how did I do that ? did I miss this command in the wiki doc?
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22:16<gsimmons>beny: You missed the part where it told you to amend /etc/X11/xorg.conf (to use the fglrx driver), but use of aticonfig has rectified this for you.
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22:17<beny>I though now xorg made magic stuff without xorg.conf
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22:18<beny>but I finally prefer to know I can edit my xorg.conf
22:18<gsimmons>beny: Not WRT to proprietary Xorg drivers.
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22:19<beny>is it something like non-free drivers try to write a default xorg.conf ?
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22:22<titan8990>beny: no, modules are autoloaded by hal (now deprecated upstream) or more recently udev. this doesn't work for proprietary drivers but they have utilities for generating the xorg.conf. drivers themselves don't write to the config
22:22<titan8990>beny: with free drivers you don't need a xorg.conf at all
22:23<beny>titan8990, thank you so much!
22:23<titan8990>beny: np
22:25<beny>I was a little lost without xorg.conf at the beginning and thought xorg made magic things.. still have prefered to know the exact configuration :)
22:25*Tom__ gives beny a nerd award
22:25<beny>a little bit lost
22:26<beny>Tom__, hum... thank you!??
22:27<Tom__>You're welcome :-)
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22:28<beny>far is the time when you needed to write modelines :(
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22:31<beny>titan8990, gsimmons, thank you so much for your time and your help
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23:34<opticon>on debian with apache what does it mean when you visit site and instead of serving page content it serves up entire page as request for download?
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23:36<opticon>i deleted the virtual server trying to create it again
23:37<opticon>noticed their was problem when i seen this /msg dpkg pastebin Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default: No such file or directory
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