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00:00<franki^>bja: Sorry, but I thought that the man page gave pretty clear clues as to the purpose of the command and its package of origin, I'll try to be more helpful next time. :(
00:02<bja>franki^: it is ok, but if i have the package installed it is obvious that i can do the man <package> but thx anyway.
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00:03<bja>Nemoder: i didn't know about that. Old dog learning new tricks
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00:05<dimhead>is it worth it to switch to mint
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00:06<bja>Nemoder: thx showpkg did the trick
00:07<bja>dimhead: Think of linux as a custom made tool if a distro fits your needs better that an other then go for it. You are free to choose the anyone you like
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00:13<bja>dimhead: Think of linux as a custom made tool if a distro fits your needs better that an other then go for it. You are free to choose anyone you like
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00:38<sdaiden>Hello!Can you speak Chinese?
00:38<sney>sdaiden: /join #debian-zh
00:39<sdaiden>Thanks!sney,you are very nice!
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00:46<sney>I just swapped my hard drive and reinstalled. My system has an Elantech touchpad, and in order to enable tap-to-click, I'd need to set it up in xorg.conf. However, when I try to generate a basic xorg.conf to customize, X segfaults and dexconf outputs nothing.
00:47<sney>I miss tap-to-click :(
00:49<sney>oh, never mind. seems I backed up an older xorg.conf without realizing it. tallyho
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01:11<fixl>is there a clear upgrade-path from lenny to squeeze?
01:12<fixl>i ran into a few problems which i was able to solve, but when it comes to the kde stuff ...
01:13<sney>the issues upgrading from lenny to squeeze are apt and udev related, kde should be fairly painless
01:13<sney>what's happening?
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01:13<fixl>i resolved the udev thing buy installing the the squeeze kernel before
01:13<fixl>after that i did aptitude full-upgrade
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01:14<fixl>and a message saying "no greeter plugin found" came up
01:14<sney>hey, simonrvn! does your bot know the dpkg factoids?
01:14<fixl>i tried to install kdebase
01:14<simonrvn>lemme check
01:15<ravenbird>where we placed software previously unable to hosted within the USA. Changes in legislation mean that post-<Woody>, there is no non-US, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch, Lenny, Squeeze or Sid. Ask me about <crypto> and <crypto in main>. Old non-US packages (for slink, potato, woody) are at
01:16<simonrvn>yes, as of 20100407
01:16<sney>cool, dpkg is down so it's good to have a substitute
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01:16<sney>fixl: you might find help in #debian-kde
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02:19<codename-nos>can i ask backtrack question here ?
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02:20<sney>no, ask backtrack questions in #backtrack-linux on
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02:32<codename-nos>well seems like i m the only one on the #backtrack-linux channel
02:33<valdyn>codename-nos: on freenode
02:33<codename-nos>sorry ?
02:33<codename-nos>i m new
02:33<sney>it must be hard to be a hacker who doesn't understand how irc works.
02:33<codename-nos>what do you mean by freenode ?
02:33<valdyn>codename-nos: /server
02:33<codename-nos>haha for sure !
02:34<ravenbird>BackTrack is just an operating system. It does not magically turn you into a hacker. It is also offtopic in #debian. Please fulfill your fantasies in #backtrack-linux on
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02:40<valdyn>somehow their website style is triggering most of my alarms regarding malware sites
02:42<sney>backtrack's? don't worry, they're totally pr0 h4xx0rz.
02:42<sney>actually maybe you should worry.
02:42<valdyn>sney: yea i know.....
02:43<valdyn>worse than, but thats *real* *serious* malware
02:43<sney>or astalavista or something
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02:47<maryj>ubuntu for skype install methad
02:48<sney>maryj: this is not the ubuntu help channel, please do /server and then /join #ubuntu
02:49<maryj>ubuntu for skype install methad
02:49<jm_>I reckon this will stop sometime when ubuntu 12.x is released
02:49<sney>jm_: oh, did they update the default xchat.conf?
02:49<maryj>ok byyy
02:50<amitz>hmm ubuntu should make a desktop interface for #ubuntu...
02:50<amitz>split over thousands of channels.
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02:51<sney>apparently only xchat has the problem, if they go to irc with any other client in ubuntu's repos, debian isn't on top so they don't show up here
02:52<sney>I spoke to an ubuntu dev the other day who told me as much. and also that the ubuntu devs don't really care if their users get lost and show up here
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02:53<jm_>sney: no, that's why I said 12.x :)
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02:54<sney>jm_: figures
02:54<sney>that'll be when they take xchat out
02:56<nostmith>anyone using ident2 or any other ident daemon?
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03:10<AlBaTrOs>i'm just installing a fresh debian system
03:10<AlBaTrOs>should i use all files in one partition or separate /home partition
03:11<sney>separate /home is easier for backups but it doesn't matter really
03:11<sney>just whatever you feel like doing
03:12<AlBaTrOs>well i want to make it a local area host
03:12<AlBaTrOs>to host game, radio and web servers
03:13<sney>sounds like you already know what you want to do
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03:14<AlBaTrOs>i just want to be sure
03:14<sney>and if anything gets too big it's pretty simple to attach another drive and move something like /var to another partition
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03:14<AlBaTrOs>ok then
03:14<codename-nos>got it
03:14<nostmith>AlBaTrOs, i'd make not only /home, in that case, but also, atleast, /var/www and /var/log
03:15<AlBaTrOs>but are there any incompatabilities between debian live and a installed system? because i tried to backup some files from a debian sda and the live debian didn't recognize the files
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03:18<amitz>define "didn't recognize"
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03:22<nil>someone could help me with deluge?
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03:23<nil>ninguém responde ,sou novo aqui.
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03:23<nil>preciso de ajuda com o Deluge
03:23<nil>uso debian lenny
03:23<ravenbird>sney: EPARSE: dunno WTH you're talking about
03:23<mjk>Is that a bug or feature: htop shows processes with MORE than 100%.
03:24<ravenbird>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
03:24<nil>someone help me
03:24<nil>Por favor onde encontro ajuda com o deluge.
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03:26<nil_>tem alguém aí que pode me ajudar como encontrar o lugar certo para responder minhas questões sobre o debian lenny?
03:27<jm_>nil_: join #debian-br or #debian-pt not #debian, note the extra characters
03:28<mjk>Hmm .. htop reproducibly shows processes with more than 100 % CPU load ... is that due to threading? Tried "H" and "K" to hide/show user/kernel threads, but still > 100 % (mostly cumulated, sometimes even single processes have > 100 %)
03:29<mjk>(Yes, it's a dual core machine)
03:29<jMCg>mjk: are you on an SMP? ah.
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03:30<mjk>jMCg: But I never remember the processes taking up more than 100 % cumulated --- and especially not single processes (had one with 145%)
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03:31<angela_>hello wen i whant to yous tar.gz he sess tar.gz are stopt bycose of urlyer made mastekes ehat ken i do ??
03:32<jMCg>I believe that is a special htop feature. top shows some processes at 9999% when in great stress, like when I switch between views...
03:32<jMCg>angela_: what language is that?
03:32<nil>desculpe mas ninguém responde no #debian-pt ou br
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03:33<ravenbird>Voor Nederlandstalige hulp met debian kunt U terecht in #debian-nl. For help with debian in Dutch, you can join #debian-nl.
03:33<angela_>i kenwright goot enlichs
03:33<nil>Angela ,please help here.I'm new in this chat.
03:33<jMCg>angela_: well then do.
03:33<jMCg>nil: and angela_ is not?
03:34<nil>With someone else.
03:34<nil>or other person,please
03:35<jMCg>nil: you have been told to either speak English, or failing so to /join #debian-pt or #debian-br where you will get help in a language you understand.
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03:36<nil_>I understand english ,dear friend.
03:36<nil_>So you can speak to me
03:36<angela_>ok i`m in debian-nl nou
03:36<nil_>I am brazilian ,but i know english.
03:36<mjk>nil_: So just tell us about your Debian problems (in English, of course =)
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03:37<nil_>I had used deluge until yesterday.
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03:37<nil_>But today it brokes
03:38<nil_>Doesn't open
03:38<nil_>I tried to reinstall
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03:38<nil_>restart the machine
03:38<nil_>many things,but nothing.
03:39<nil_>nothing works
03:39<jm_>nil_: please use enter key less often, your keyboard and #debian will be grateful
03:39<mjk>nil_: Start it on the shell to see if there's an error message.
03:39<amitz>nil_: be more specific on what you mean by broke. Any error message? what behavior specifically is different than the intended behavior. Have you checked the log?
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03:41<nil_>The shell says that the orbit-root fold has wrong permissions.Nothing more is sayd.
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03:42<nil_>no errors messages ,but the system tray crashed last restart.
03:42<jm_>shouldn't it use orbit-<yourusername>?
03:43<nil_>I don't know.
03:43<jm_>try to strace it and see
03:45<nil_>strace?(what is it?)
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03:47<nil_>Coud possible the kernel been with bug?
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03:49<nil_>I have to go home now ,if will find the solution ,I will tell to you, ok?
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03:51<nil_>Thanks for the attention !The #debian-br does not answer me I've tried.
03:51<robert> is empty
03:52<jm_>strace is a tool that allows you to trace system calls, apt-cache show strace
03:52<nil_>How to find it?
03:53<jm_>apt-cache show strace
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03:53<nil_>So ,later what can I do?
03:54<jm_>'strace -f -o str.txt your_app' and it will write to "str.txt" where you can see where it's trying to open files etc.
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03:58<nil_>right.I will try it tomorrow and see what is happen.
03:59<nil_>Deluge only opens in root mode.
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04:00<jm_>so it must be trying to access something that is owned by root now - do not run this as root
04:01<nil_>I know this.I've tried it only to see if it works.
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04:03<goitdman>If I type '# echo c > /proc/sysrq-trigger', I get a debug msg. Trigger a crashdump, however nothing happens. I'm using lenny with kexec-tools installed and sysreq-keys enabled
04:03<nil_>Deluge runs in usr/share/applications(this is the actual location).
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04:09<nil_>jm_The strace says that the deluge can not start because it has no instance.Possible it was crashed.I will install again after a restart and see if it works.I'm gonna home now ,thank you for everything. a
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04:10<jm_>nil_: ok I would need to read its strace file to find out more
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04:11<nil_>jm_ How to send you this file?
04:11<saste>hi all
04:12<saste>I need to have debug symbols for libpthread in a program compiled by me
04:12<jm_>nil_: right now it's a bit hard since I'm at work
04:12<saste>i installed libc-dgb and indeed I can find there are the libs with debug symbols in /usr/lib/debug/lib
04:12<mjk>jm_: pastebin?
04:13<jm_>nil_: dcc won't work
04:13<jm_>mjk: I suspect strace output file is way too big for that
04:13<nil_>what kind of file ?
04:13<mjk>Oh, okay ...
04:13<saste>but then when i try to compile a program ldd shows that the program is not linking against the debug libs
04:13<jm_>saste: how about "LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/debug/lib ldd foo" ?
04:14<ansgar>saste: /usr/lib/debug only contains the debug symbols. gdb will pick them up from there automatically.
04:14<jm_>it's explained how to use it in package description
04:14<nil_>jm_ Could i send you this doc by e-mail?
04:15<saste>ansgar: ok but I suppose I have also to link against the debugging libs, right?
04:15<jm_>nil_: yes but I won't be able to read it now since I am at work
04:15<nil_>I'm at work too,but I have to go home now.
04:15<ansgar>saste: No.
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04:15<nil_>Add me in msn
04:16<jm_>msn? I don't use any msn
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04:16<marlen>I'm using debian lenny,I'm a can I install a program from the terminal?
04:16<jm_>marlen: did you read any newbie guides already?
04:17<marlen>well, I used ubuntu and fedora for a while..months...
04:17<ravenbird>Before asking in here or on the debian-user mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. Ask me about <ig>, <reference>, <refcard>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference)
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04:22<st>hithere is there a GUI update tool in Debian? if yes how it is called?
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04:24<babilen>st: There is synaptics which IIRC also has a gnome applet and update-manager-gnome (never used those, so can't really give you more information)
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04:25<babilen>st: s/synaptics/synaptic
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04:27<jevi>Hi guys
04:28<jevi>Someone tell me how i can get internet on my debian
04:28<babilen>Sure, you configure your NIC/wireless adaptor and your network settings and you are done.
04:28<babilen>What is the problem?
04:28<jevi>I got wireless
04:28<jevi>And i dont know how to enable it and choose wich connection i want
04:29<babilen> might be interesting ...
04:29<babilen>But let us check first if your device is properly recognised/configured - Could you paste the output of "lspci -nn|grep -ie network" in here?
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04:33<babilen>jevi: mmh?
04:34<jevi>Wait a sec
04:34<babilen>alright :)
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04:35<jevi>command dosnt work
04:35<babilen>The lspci one? What is the error?
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04:36<jevi>Its that nothing happends
04:36<jevi>so error
04:36<jevi>no error
04:36<babilen>ok, could you paste the output of "lspci -nn" to a pastebin (without the grep part)
04:37<babilen>but it looks as if your wireless adaptor is not recognised ... could you give me more information about that card?
04:37<babilen>pastebin ==
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04:38<jevi>its just that i got 2 computers and the one with problem dosnt have internet
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04:38<babilen>did you run the command on the computer with the wireless adaptor?
04:38<jevi>y can run the -nn command yes
04:39<babilen>and your wireless adaptor is not listed?
04:39<jevi>My wireless card is Atheros
04:39<mxh>jevi : are you eniar_ ?
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04:39<jevi>Was sick of the name einar
04:39<mxh>Is jevi your real name ?
04:39<jevi>No Sander
04:40<babilen>mxh: Have you supported jevi before?
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04:40<jevi>He has but we couldt get internet
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04:41<mxh>wi-fi was forbidden in my country ,so I can't help him to get internet .
04:41<babilen>ok, what have you tried so far and what was the problem?
04:41<jm_>this is one full command: "lspci -nn|grep -ie network" - run it without ""
04:41<babilen>mxh: which country is that?
04:42<jevi>Jm dosnt work.
04:42<jm_>jevi: how about just "lspci -nn" ?
04:42<jevi>that works
04:42<babilen>jm_: (s)he claims that this command has no output and I could not yet figure out if lspci -nn lists the wireless adaptor at all
04:42<jm_>babilen: yeah maybe it's USB?
04:43<babilen>jm_: What kind of adaptor is it? Is it listed with "lsusb" ?
04:43<jm_>babilen: I have no idea ;)
04:43<babilen>jm_: probably :)
04:43<babilen>err, ENICK .. jevi ^^^^
04:44<jevi>I think its Atheros..
04:44<jm_>probably put both outputs on pastebin
04:44<jevi>I cant do that with no internet...
04:44<babilen>jm_: Is it a PCI card, a smart card or a USB device?
04:45<jm_>you are talking to us on an internet connected irc server without internet? impressive
04:45<mxh>He is using xp now .
04:45<babilen>(2 computers) ;)
04:45<jm_>yes, so use this one to put it on pastebin - how hard is that to think of?
04:45<jevi>Yes then i got to write all my self a crap
04:45<babilen>ah, why do i always get the nick wrong .. evil tab completion ..
04:46<babilen>jevi: Is it a PCI card, a smart card or a USB device?
04:46<jm_>surely you can transfer it via USB or somesuch
04:46<jevi>Was it lspci -nn
04:46<babilen>yes, and lsusb
04:46<gsimmons>babilen: Don't expect fast answers. I did ask about einar_/jevi's device's host interface 18 hours ago.
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04:47<babilen>gsimmons: hehe :)
04:48<TCW>gsimmons, best realtime experience :)
04:48<jevi>NEed to get my usb
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04:57<jevi>im back
04:57<jevi>heres pastebin
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04:58<babilen>why is it listed as ethernet?
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04:58<babilen>,pciid 168c:001c
04:58<judd>[168c:001c] is 'AR5001 Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with kernel module 'ath5k' in lenny. See also and the out-of-tree 'ath_pci' module.
04:58<jevi>I dont know ur the expert
04:59<babilen>dpkg is away?
05:00<jevi>Found the problem?
05:00<ravenbird>[ath5k] a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 802.11a/bg PCI wireless LAN chipsets. Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.24. See for more information and supported devices. For AR5007* devices, ask me about <ar2425>. For 802.11n device support, ask me about <ath9k>. See also <>.
05:01<babilen>jevi: ^^^^
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05:02<jm_>I know this has been asked here before, but I forgot what the answer was - is there a way to build only specific set of packages from a multi-package source package?
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05:03<babilen>hmm, we have a problem in that the lspci output lists the device as AR2425 (ethernet) ....
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05:03<ravenbird>The Atheros AR2425/AR5007* PCI-E wireless LAN chipset is supported by the mainline <ath5k> driver since Linux 2.6.27. Lenny users: ask me about <bpo> and install a later kernel image package. For support of the Atheros AR5007UG USB chipset (formerly Zydas ZD1211), ask me about <zd1211rw>.
05:04<nostmith>is there a recommended way to disable nfs-common and portmap? i don't think i'll need them soon, but who knows...
05:04<gsimmons>babilen: Yes, I believe the PCI ID is incorrect in Lenny's ath5k driver.
05:04<gsimmons>babilen: It seems the PCI class is/was set to 0200 (instead of 0280) on some earlier Atheros devices.
05:04<jevi>BAck to how i can fix this?
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05:04<babilen>jevi: I would try installing a newer kernel from backports (/msg dpkg backports / /msg dpkg bpo) manually (download the kernel and dpkg -i the package) and reboot ...
05:05<jevi>Can you guide me though ?
05:05<babilen>gsimmons: So you think that the PCIID is correctly supported, but that the device is wrongly reported as AR2425?
05:05<gsimmons>babilen: Sorry, 168c:001c is valid, must be thinking of an ath9k one.
05:05<babilen>Is it AR5001 or AR2425 then?
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05:06<babilen>jevi: Hang on a second .. :)
05:06<jevi>Ok i will
05:06<jevi>Im home from school im sick got all day
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05:07<mxh>I stay school all day .
05:07<babilen>kmuto lists the pciid as AR5001 as well ... :-\
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05:08<jevi>How can i find first time configuration assistant
05:09<babilen>jevi: Could you run "modprobe -r ath5k && modprobe ath5k" and try running "iwconfig" on the machine and tell us if your wireless adaptor is recognised. If not -> provide the output of "dmesg|tail -n 23" on a pastebin
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05:10<babilen>jevi: You might have to install the wireless-tools package for the iwconfig program (download it from (for stable), transfer it with a USB stick and "dpkg -i wireless-tools-....deb" it)
05:11<jevi>ill send u pastebind of iwconfig
05:12<jevi>dpjg -i wireless-tools
05:12<jevi>dpkg -i wireless-tools
05:13<jevi>nothing named wireless tools bailen
05:14<babilen>jevi: No, you download the package from, transfer the *file* with your USB stick and then run "dpkg -i <the_file.deb>" to install it manually
05:14<babilen>but that is *not* necessary if the package is already installed (i.e. if iwconfig is already working)
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05:14<jevi>i can use iwconfig
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05:15<sernin>Hey, anyone familiar with fgetty / checkpassword? Having tty login issues
05:15<sernin>specifically in the case of using runit-run to login etc. PAM-enabled auth works fine
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05:17<jevi>Babilen cant install "wireless-tools_29-1.1_amd64.deb
05:18<jevi>oh lol
05:18<jevi>its installed
05:18<jevi>Wireless-tools is already the newest version.
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05:19<babilen>yes, you could run iwconfig - is your device listed?
05:19<gsimmons>babilen: jevi's device is either an AR5006* (AR2423/4) or AR5007* (AR2425). The device subsystem PCI ID or ath5k driver output would confirm.
05:20<babilen>so we have to install a bpo kernel as 2.6.27+ is needed for that IIRC
05:20<gsimmons>That's right.
05:20<babilen>i'll be back in a second ...
05:20<jevi>il send pastebind..
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05:22<jevi>when i save it , it dosnt get saved
05:23<babilen>jevi: You need a newer kernel for your wireless adaptor. You can download a newer kernel package from backports and install it with dpkg -i
05:23<ravenbird>see backport
05:23<ravenbird>a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), Ask me about <> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
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05:24<jevi>Guide me please..
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05:25<jevi>then take it over to flash drive then to my other pc
05:25<gsimmons>babilen: bpo.4 has a problem with linux-base. You'd want suggest use of bpo.3.
05:25<babilen>gsimmons: yeah, that just popped into my mind as well.
05:25<jevi>Ill download debconf?
05:26<jevi>nvm found out
05:26<babilen>gsimmons: the .3 does not have the additional dependencies?
05:26<babilen>jevi: hang on, you need an older package :)
05:26<jevi>ill just downloaded it..
05:26<babilen>you can download another one for sure :)
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05:27<babilen>sorry :-\
05:27<jevi>that thing had a long name ah
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05:27<gsimmons>babilen: No, the linux-base dependency was introduced at 2.6.32-4.
05:28<jm_>but isn't linux-base available on backports too?
05:29<jevi>Use the lasted you sendeD?'
05:29<babilen>jm_: Yes, but we want to get the network running first, so we don't have to install all the dependencies manually
05:29<babilen>jevi: yes
05:31<jevi>install command was?
05:32<jevi>What was the command to install
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05:32<babilen>dpkg -i the_kernel_package.deb
05:32<jevi>"the kernal package" i replace that with the name of package?
05:33<jm_>with the filename
05:33<jm_>not with the package name
05:33<babilen>^^^ :)
05:34<jevi>thats linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.3-amd64_2.6.32.9~bpo50+1_amb64.deb
05:34<jevi>says its no file
05:35<babilen>jevi: Have you transfered the file to your computer and are you running the command from the directory in which the .deb is located?
05:36<jevi>I putted the package at my desktop and runned terminal and wrote dpkg -i linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.3-amd64_2.6.32.9~bpo50+1_amb64.deb
05:37<gsimmons>jm_: (re linux-base) Yes, but is broken due to package issues at the time of backport. As linux-base isn't in testing yet, I'm not sure why it was done.
05:39<jevi>any idea
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05:40<jm_>gsimmons: ahh so it worked for me because I manually built linux-base from sid sources
05:41<jm_>interesting that only lists version -bpo.2 now, possibly because of these issues
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05:42<jevi>Ill still got no network
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05:42<babilen>jevi: So you could install the package?
05:42<jevi>Didnt work
05:43<jm_>what's its md5sum?
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05:43<jevi>maybe its gnome that dosnt have internet accsess?
05:43<jm_>run: md5sum *deb
05:44<babilen>jevi: Go into the directory where you put the file (~/Desktop probably) and run the command *within* that directory or use something like "dpkg -i /home/your_user/Desktop/linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.3-amd64_2.6.32.9~bpo50+1_amd64.deb"
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05:44<babilen>and you had a typo in the file name - it is "amd64" not "amb64"
05:45<jm_>yeah don't type it all, use TAB completion or dpkg -i *deb
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05:47<jevi>No file of directory
05:47<jm_>find /home -name '*.deb'
05:48<jevi>is it a I or L or 1
05:48<jm_>that will tell you where the file is
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05:48<jm_>there is no L, but there are 1 and l (lower case L)
05:48<jevi>says all is in desktop
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05:49<jm_>so use dpkg -i /path/that/find/listed/file.deb
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05:50<jm_>I give up
05:50<jevi>fixedc t!!!
05:50<jevi>Its installing
05:50<jevi>its done
05:51<jevi>what now?
05:51<jevi>What do i need to do now
05:51<jevi>i installed it
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05:52<babilen>reboot your computer and use the new kernel
05:55<jevi>y and now
05:55<jevi>what now
05:56<ravenbird>The Atheros AR2425/AR5007* PCI-E wireless LAN chipset is supported by the mainline <ath5k> driver since Linux 2.6.27. Lenny users: ask me about <bpo> and install a later kernel image package. For support of the Atheros AR5007UG USB chipset (formerly Zydas ZD1211), ask me about <zd1211rw>.
05:56<ravenbird>[ath5k] a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 802.11a/bg PCI wireless LAN chipsets. Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.24. See for more information and supported devices. For AR5007* devices, ask me about <ar2425>. For 802.11n device support, ask me about <ath9k>. See also <>.
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05:57<babilen>read the wiki (especially the iwconfig part) and the wifi-howtouse page i mentioned earlier
05:57<jevi>my internet thing is blue means the internet is on
05:58<babilen>and iwconfig lists the interface?
05:58<jevi>says ESSID NEtgear
05:58<babilen>you are connected ten
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05:58<jevi>but i can go on google
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05:59<babilen>go to another page if you don't want to go to google ;)
05:59<jevi>dosnt work
05:59<babilen>*read* *the* *wifi howtouse* page
05:59<jm_>does that also cover stuff like DNS servers?
06:00<babilen>dns should be configured by DNS
06:00<babilen>err, DHCP :)
06:01<babilen>jevi: Can you "ping" ?
06:01<babilen>jevi: how did you connect? Do you use something like network-manager or wicd? Have you edited your /etc/network/interfaces? Give us more details
06:02<jevi>says network is unreacable
06:03<jevi>i cant edit either permission denied
06:03<babilen>edit what?
06:03<babilen>Have you read the wifi - howtouse page?
06:04<jevi>cant install network.manager
06:04<mxh>su root
06:04<babilen>and what are you trying to do?
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06:04<jevi>aptitude install network-manager-gnome dosnt work
06:04<jevi>says no package
06:04<babilen>Is this a laptop or a destop machine? Will you switch between networks frequently or will you *always* connect to the same network?
06:04<jm_>note: you need to read it and *understand* it too, not just skim over it
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06:05<jevi>This pc is a very old laptop my other pc is a very new laptop all pcs are on the internet
06:05<jevi>And i will always be on the same network
06:05<jevi>My ESSID is "Netgear"
06:05<babilen>I would suggest to use the /etc/network/interfaces way then ...
06:06<jevi>Permission denied and i am root
06:06<mxh>what do you want to edit ?
06:07<jevi>Didnt get anything babilen
06:07<jevi>"CTCP Version"
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06:07<jevi>I am going to edit the network i think
06:08<babilen>how are your trying to edit /etc/network/interfaces?
06:08<babilen>give the complete dommand you are running please
06:08<jevi>/etc/network/interfaces ...
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06:09<mxh>chmod 777 /etc/network/interfaces...
06:09<locklace>!slap mxh
06:09<jm_>%slap mxh
06:09<ravenbird>jm_: Have you tried ?
06:10<mxh>you must give the file writeable permission
06:10<jevi>i dont know how
06:10<babilen>jevi: You want to use an editor to edit the file - try "gksu gedit /etc/network/interfaces"
06:10<locklace>mxh: just shut up. really
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06:11<jevi>Ok works
06:11<jevi>Says its connected to wireless ESSID NETGEAR
06:11<jevi>but dosnt work
06:12<jevi>and i cant get network.manager-gnome
06:12<babilen>jevi: and then follow the instruction in the wpa_supplicant section on the wiki WPA-PSK and WPA2-PSK -> 3. Define appropriate stanzas for your wireless interface, along with the SSID and PSK.
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06:13<jevi>I did
06:13<jevi>but says its no file!
06:13<jevi>tryed to install 100 times
06:14<babilen>*sigh* ... You don't need network manager if you always connect to the same wireless network ...
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06:15<babilen>And you might not be able to install it because you have not yet defined any mirrors in /etc/apt/sources.list and ran "aptitude update" afterwards. But tha won't work if you don't have network connectivity
06:15<babilen>jevi: Do you have wpasupplicant installed?
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06:16<jevi>dont think so
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06:17<jevi>What was the full command to install the kernal
06:17<babilen>ok, install it manually by downloading it, usb, dpkg -i ... you can find it on
06:17<jevi>i had to choose where it was
06:17<babilen>and then follow the instructions for wpa_supplicant on the wifi - howtouse wiki page
06:17<jevi>dpkd /home/sander/desktop?
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06:18<babilen>you have to define an interface in there (presumably wlan0) add the auto wlan0 and the wpa-{ssid,psk} stanzas in there .. You can then connect to your wireless network with "ifup wlan0"
06:18<babilen>jevi: I thought you already installed and booted the kernel?
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06:19<jevi>I have
06:20<jevi>i downloaded network manager
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06:20<jevi>manually from a site
06:20<jevi>but says i cant install it
06:20<babilen>"a site" ?
06:21<jevi>so now i got the file at my desktop in debian.
06:21<babilen>jevi: Just to let you know - I don't support network-manager because i dislike it a lot. I suggested you to use wpasupplicant and configure your network in /etc/network/interfaces ..
06:21<babilen>If you want help with the package installation you have to provide more information than "it doesn't work" - I doubt that the package will go to work and earn money for you. It is also not sitting on the couch all day drinking your beer ...
06:22<babilen>jevi: yes, and you can install that file with "dpkg -i the_file_name" but you have to install all of its dependencies first or the installation will fail. One of the depencies is wpasupplicant so you have to install the wpasupplicant package anyway
06:23<jevi>Where can i find that package then
06:24<jevi>Give me the link please?
06:24<jevi>i ment direct to the file
06:24<babilen>no, search for it yourself
06:25<jevi>its on chinese
06:26<jm_>you need to search for it on
06:26<jevi>i did that,,
06:26<jm_>type its name in the search box
06:26<jm_>don't use the "Search" link
06:26<babilen>go to -> Search package directories -> enter "wpasupplicant" in the textfield and click "search" -> select lenny and you are done
06:27<babilen>and what is wrong with chinese? :)
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06:29<jevi>its not there
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06:29<jevi>I got gnome not lenny
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06:30<babilen>jevi: Lenny is the Debian release you are running and Gnome is the desktop environment you are using ..
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06:31<mxh>you will find wpasupplicant there
06:31<babilen>Go to: and download the amd64 package, transfer it to your computer and install it with "dpkg -i package.deb" (adapt that to the real filename) and then follow the wifi - howtouse instruction for wpa_supplicant
06:31<jm_>what's your motivation for using Debian at all?
06:32<babilen>you basically need to define the stanzas in /etc/network/interfaces that are listed under 3. on that page (auto wlan0 ; iface wlan0 inet dhpc ; wpa- ....)
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06:32<computix>he doesn't know lenny from gnome - better use ubuntu?
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06:34<jevi>The file wont install "Cannot access archive no such file or directory
06:34<mayFlower>your asl?
06:35<jevi>Babilen didnt work
06:35<mayFlower>who speack italian? my english very very bad
06:36<babilen>jevi: is it still drinking your beer ;)
06:36<jevi>"No such file or directory"
06:37<babilen>are you running that command in the correct directory? Do you give the complete path to the package?
06:37<babilen>mayFlower: Stop messaging random people
06:38<babilen>isn't that /home/sander/Desktop ?
06:38<jevi>Thats where the file is
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06:39<babilen>jevi: so run "dpkg -i /home/sander/Desktop/wpasupplicant*.deb" or something like that
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06:41<jevi>Didnt work
06:41<babilen>you are running out of beer
06:43<jevi>fixed it
06:43<babilen>so, you have downloaded the file, transfered it with your USB stick to the computer and placed it on your desktop and the command i mentioned did not work?
06:43<jevi>i fixed it
06:43<babilen>ok, so it is installed now?
06:44<jevi>what now
06:44<babilen>edit /etc/network/interfaces now (with the gksu command i gave you earlier) and configure wlan0 as detailed on the wiki page
06:44<jm_>next question: what was the gksu command
06:45<jevi>gksu gedit /etc/network/interfaces
06:46<jevi>Give me direct link to what i need to edit
06:46<babilen>and then add the "auto wlan0" "iface wlan0 inet dhcp" and "wpa-{ssid,psk}" stanzas in there
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06:51<onur>what happend to
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06:52<jevi>Still no internet i have edited
06:53<babilen>jevi: Have you run "ifup wlan0"
06:53<babilen>and did you provide the ESSID and you passphrase?
06:53<babilen>(the wpa-ssid and wpa-psk lines)
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06:54<babilen>onur: i get a timeout - no idea what happened to it
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06:55<onur>it's not working for a while
06:55<jevi>says couldt read interfaces file /etc/network/interfaces
06:55<babilen>have you saved your changes?
06:55<babilen>and what is the content of that file now?
06:56<babilen>could you paste the output of "cat /etc/network/interfaces" to a pastebin (remove your passphrase)
06:56<jevi>Babilen should i delete all in interfaces and replace it with auto wlan0
06:56<jevi>iface wlan0 inet dhcp
06:56<jevi> wpa-ssid mynetworkname
06:56<jevi> wpa-psk mysecretpassphrase
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06:57<einar_>damn lol
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06:57<einar_>should i replace everything in etc/network/interfaces with that on wiki?
06:57<babilen>just add the stuff on the wiki ...
06:57<babilen>and replace "mynetworkname" and "mysecretpassphrase" with the correct values for that
06:58<einar_>what did we use to show my network cars?'
06:58<einar_>something with past
06:58<babilen>what are you trying to do?
06:58<einar_>i will post my interfaces on pastebin
06:58<babilen>you can run ifconfig and iwconfig to show your interfaces ...
06:59<babilen>ifup and ifdown to enable/disable interfaces that are configured in /etc/network/interfaces
06:59<babilen>einar_: You really want to read the Debian reference later
06:59<ravenbird>The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. The latest version (v2) is at . Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install this too, the package name is debian-reference: 'aptitude install debian-reference'
07:00<einar_>This is in my thing now "Auto wlan0 m iface lo inet loopback , wpa-ssid Netgear , wpa-psk , iface wlan0 inet dhcp , wireless-essid NETGEAR
07:00<einar_>thats my etc/network/interfaces
07:00<einar_>i remove that?
07:00<babilen>is that the actual order in that file?
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07:01<einar_>Its under eachother tho
07:01<babilen>could you *please* paste the complete file (wth line breaks and unchanged except for the passphrase) to a pastebin?
07:01<einar_>but when i save from debian to my usb it dosnt get saved for some reason
07:01<einar_>"create a new document"
07:02<einar_>pasted it
07:02<amphi>just cp it
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07:03<einar_>when i move it to the usb and taking usb out its gone
07:03<babilen>einar_: Your /etc/network/interfaces should look like
07:03<babilen>with the passphrase of your WPA network
07:03<babilen>and the eth0 stuff in there is unimportant ...
07:04<babilen>just get the order of the instructions right ...
07:04<marlen>hello, I'm using debian lenny, I'm a beginner..this is the problem: I cannot listen to the music, things go but there is no audio. any help please?
07:05<amphi>einar_: you unmount the usb drive properly?
07:06<babilen>%alsa checklist
07:06<ravenbird>see alsa-checklist
07:06<ravenbird>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse (1 more message)
07:06<babilen>marlen: ^^^^^
07:06<amphi>has ravenbird eaten dpkg?
07:06<babilen>marlen: Could you also paste the output of "lspci -nn" to, so that I can check if we need to do something about your actual device
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07:06<babilen>amphi: dpkg seems to be away
07:07<marlen>how can I do that?
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07:07<babilen>do what?
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07:08<marlen>paste the output of lspci-nn.I don't understand,sorry
07:09<einar_>Ok fixed
07:09<einar_>what i do ifup wlan0?
07:09<babilen>marlen: Ah, ok. You would open a terminal (ALT-F2 -> gnome-terminal for example, or in the applications menu) and run "lscpi -nn" in that terminal
07:09<babilen>einar_: yes, run ifup wlan0
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07:09<einar_>couldt read interfaces file
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07:10<einar_>and i dont got any password on my router
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07:10<babilen>marlen: You might also want to check the output of "groups" and see if you are a member of the "audio" group. If not run "adduser your_user_name audio" as root (run "su" to become root) and log out and in again ...
07:11<jm_>isn't that the default for first user created during install nowadays?
07:11<babilen>Would think so, but it won't hurt to check :)
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07:12<einar_>it didnt work
07:12<einar_>still same error
07:12<marlen>from the terminal nothing. command not found
07:12<babilen>It actually depends on the values set in /etc/adduser.conf -> EXTRA_GROUPS ...
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07:12<einar_>Couldt read interfaces
07:13<babilen>marlen: "aptitude install pciutils"
07:13<marlen>I'll try
07:13<babilen>einar_: Are you running that command (ifup) as root?
07:13<babilen>and it says /etc/network/interfaces: No such file or directory?
07:13<marlen>ok, I did that. now?
07:13<babilen>please provide the real error and don't paraphrase it ...
07:14<einar_>/etc/network/interfaces:1: misplaced option
07:14<babilen>marlen: Can you paste/copy that output to and give us the link?
07:14<einar_>ifup: couldt read interfaces file /etc/network/interfaces
07:14<babilen>einar_: You have a syntax error then ... Check the format again and make sure that it looks exactly like the one I gave you. The error is probably in line 1
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07:17<babilen>marlen: And while you are at it - also provide the output of "cat /proc/asound/cards"
07:18<marlen>I found paste.debian but I don't know what to paste and where I can get it.
07:19<einar_>still error
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07:19<babilen>marlen: You run the "lspci -nn" and "cat /proc/asound/cards" commands in the terminal and copy the output to the textfield on that page .. hit "Send" to "paste" it
07:19<babilen>and give us the link
07:19<babilen>einar_: Please paste the content of your /etc/network/interfaces
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07:20<babilen>einar_: You have a syntax error in that file and I assume that you messed something up .. I *need* to take a look at the actual content of that file if you want me to help you with that
07:20<einar_>its 100% same i copyed over the usb and pasted
07:20<babilen>einar_: do you have the link to the paste?
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07:22<einar_>my paste
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07:22<babilen>einar_: You need to provide your wlan password after "wpa-psk"
07:22<marlen>ok I did that, sent it...
07:23<einar_>i got no password
07:23<babilen>marlen: give me the URL of that page :)
07:23<babilen>einar_: You are using an unencrypted network?
07:23<einar_>yes it got no password
07:23<marlen>am I right?
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07:25<babilen>einar_: Ah, ok ... well, then remove the wpa-* stanzas from the file and use "wireless-essid NETGEAR" in there in lieu of them ..
07:25<babilen>(assuming that your network is named NETGEAR) - do you want to run an open wireless lan?
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07:25<einar_>my router is netgear
07:25<babilen>,pciid 1039:7502
07:25<judd>[1039:7502] is 'Azalia Audio Controller' from 'Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]' with kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in lenny. See also and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module.
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07:26<babilen>marlen: Is the card listed when you do "cat /proc/asound/cards" ?
07:26<einar_>now it says wlan0 if already configured when i typed ifup wlan0
07:26<marlen>let me see more carefully..
07:27<babilen>marlen: How many cards are listed there? Are you a member of the "audio" group? (check with groups) Have you tried unmuting the channels? (alsamixer "m" and raise the volume) ...
07:27<babilen>einar_: ifdown wlan0 :)
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07:27<einar_>lots of things came up
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07:28<einar_>now it says network is down
07:28<einar_>when i wrote ifup wlan0
07:29<Slydder>hey all
07:29<babilen>yeah, do you get an address?
07:29<Slydder>am I just being inherently stupid or is dupload a bit of a pain? I have my config in ~/.dupload.conf with an entry for my repository and dupload refuses to see it.
07:29<marlen>can I paste what I see? I'm afraid I'm not understanding what I'm seeing
07:29<babilen>marlen: sure
07:29<marlen> 0 [IM ]: USB-Audio - VF0530 Live! Cam Chat IM
07:29<marlen> Creative Labs VF0530 Live! Cam Chat IM at usb-0000:00:03.3-8, high speed
07:29<marlen> 1 [SIS966 ]: HDA-Intel - HDA SIS966
07:29<marlen> HDA SIS966 at 0xfdff0000 irq 18
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07:30<babilen>einar_: You said that the dhcp client is runnging - do you get an address? Could you paste the output of "iwconfig" and "ifconfig -a" please?
07:31<babilen>einar_: And run "ifdown wlan0 && ifup wlan0" before that and include the output as well ...
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07:32<babilen>marlen: welcome back ... :)
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07:32<babilen>marlen: I see the problem now - your Creative Labs VF0530 Live! Cam Chat IM at usb-0000:00:03.3-8, high speed is the default card
07:32<marlen>thank you,what happened?
07:33<babilen>marlen: You can't paste so many lines into the channel ...
07:33<babilen>marlen: we use for that ... hei no problem :)
07:33<einar_>when i save it from debian it dosnt get saved
07:33<babilen>marlen: Is that a built in webcam?
07:33<babilen>einar_: save what?
07:34<marlen>there is a webcam mounted from a usb entry (sorry my english)
07:34<einar_>When i save the output from iwconfig and so on it dosnt save
07:35<babilen>marlen: Could you paste the output of "lsmod" please? I want to follow the instructions on and force your hda-intel card to get the '1' index ..
07:35<babilen>marlen: But i am unsure what themodule for your webcam might be
07:35<babilen>einar_: How are you trying to save that output?
07:35<babilen>marlen: err, force it to get the '0
07:36<babilen>(default) index :)
07:36<gsimmons>babilen: /proc/asound/modules will list those currently loaded.
07:36<babilen>marlen: "cat /proc/asound/modules" -> :)
07:36<einar_>i pressed save.''
07:36<einar_>but it dosnt save
07:37<babilen>gsimmons: thanks - that is good to know :)
07:37<marlen>I sent lsmod
07:37<einar_>when i take out my usb and its gone
07:37<babilen>yeah, sure ... is the sound working then?
07:38<babilen>well, answer my earlier questions then .. are you a member of the audio group, have you unmuted the channels and raised the volume in alsamixer, ...
07:38<ravenbird>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse (1 more message)
07:38<babilen>marlen: ^^^^
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07:39<einar_>here babilen
07:40<marlen>I pasted and I sent
07:40<babilen>einar_: it is "ifup wlan0" not "ltup wlan0" !!
07:40<babilen>marlen: I need the URL :)
07:40<einar_>says network is down
07:40<jm_>it's standard usb audio module
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07:41<babilen>marlen: But what did you paste? Can you run "groups" in the terminal and check if "audio" is listed? And please run "alsamixer" and unmute ('m') the channels and raise the volume (up/down arrows) - press ESC to get out of there. Run aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav as root .. (should hear static)
07:42<babilen>einar_: run "ifdown wlan0 && ifup wlan0"
07:44<marlen>alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
07:45<marlen>I.m feeling stupid
07:46<babilen>marlen: Is your intel sound card now listed with index 0 if you "cat /proc/asound/cards" ?
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07:47<babilen>marlen: Ok, lets start from the beginning. Paste the output of "cat /proc/asound/{cards,modules}"
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07:48<marlen>it is 1
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07:48<babilen>ok, could you paste the output of "cat /proc/asound/{cards,modules}" please
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07:49<einar_>jBabilen still no internet
07:50<marlen>I did that
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07:51<marlen> 0 snd_usb_audio
07:51<marlen> 1 snd_hda_intel
07:51<babilen>einar_: can your try "ping" please and paste the output of "iwconfig" and "ifconfig -a"
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07:52<einar_>i cant
07:52<babilen>marlen: ok - run "gksu gedit /etc/modprobe.d/sound" and add the lines "options snd-trident index=0
07:52<einar_>or yes i can
07:52<babilen>marlen: err
07:53<babilen>marlen: and add the lines "options snd-hda-intel index=0" and "options snd-usb-audio index=1" in there
07:53<babilen>marlen: save the file and run "alsa force-reload" and "service alsa-utils restart"
07:53<babilen>einar_: it is "ifup" not "ltup"
07:53<einar_>sayed network is unreachable
07:54<einar_>u sayed u sayed ifconfig and iwconfig
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07:54<einar_>thats the output
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07:54<babilen>einar_: *after* you took down the interface with "ifdown wlan0" and up with "ifup wlan0"
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07:55<einar_>Yes nothing happend
07:55<einar_>sayed no connection
07:55<einar_>thats all
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07:56<babilen>einar_: If you run "ifup wlan0" you should get an IP address from your router via DHCP - you can check that you are associated with "iwconfig wlan0" and the IP and network configuration with "ifconfig wlan0"
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07:57<babilen>marlen: After you have done that, the intel card should have index=0 in the "cat /proc/asound/cards" output .. you can then run "alsamixer" and unmute the channels and raise the volume
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07:57<marlen>ok thank you
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07:58<centyx>what's the name of that volume management daemon... ie. auto mounts removable media etc... non-gnome, i can't recall
07:58<babilen>marlen: i'll be back in a second
07:58<jm_>this is the first (or maybe 2nd) case in #debian where output of asound/cards was actually useful :)
07:58<jm_>centyx: autofs
07:58<centyx>jm_: i was thinking of something else, but i'll look at that, thanks
07:59<babilen>jm_: really? i use it all the time :-\
07:59<jm_>babilen: yes, but how often do you find it useful in the sense - ohh look, that's the problem
07:59<einar_>Im so pisst at debian right now
08:00<jm_>you know how they say: better to be pissed off than pissed on
08:01<babilen>jm_: well - the index thing happens ...
08:01<marlen>Card: VF0530 Live! Cam Chat IM │
08:01<marlen>│ Chip: USB Mixer │
08:01<marlen>│ View: [Playback] Capture All
08:01<babilen>so, i'll be back in a second
08:01<einar_>My wlan says Network is down
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08:07<centyx>jm_: i couldn't find the one i'd used in the past, but usbmount's description appears to be what i'm looking for
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08:08<jm_>centyx: that's only for USB mass sotrage products
08:09<einar_>i installed wireless tools how can i find it lol
08:10<centyx>jm_: you're right
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08:10<centyx>jm_: that's all i wanted, should have been more specific
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08:19<einar_>Thats it im moving to fedore or arch
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08:20*centyx gasps
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08:22<mxh>Why don't you use ubuntu ?
08:23<einar_>Didnt like it
08:24<mxh>download a debian dvd ,reinstall it
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08:24<mxh>the debian cd-1 only have a little part tools
08:24<einar_>Im done with debian
08:25<peej>bye bye
08:25<einar_>ill stay here
08:25<mxh>move to fedora
08:25*themill can't see pebkac being fixed by changing distros
08:25<einar_>Im not going to use "Fedora"
08:25<einar_>maybe Arch
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08:26<mxh>have you ever used Arch ?
08:26<mxh>I had used Arch once .
08:27<mxh>If you can't connect to network ,you will only have a CLI
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08:28<mxh>I can not connect to youtube .
08:29<mxh>It was blocked by my country's firewall .
08:30<einar_>Youtube blocked in china
08:30<einar_>Thats the wieredest i heard..
08:30<mxh>and tiwriter , facebook and etc
08:31<amitz>what's the best mechanism to browse through the changelog of all upgradeable packages available in aptitude?
08:32<amitz>I currently open<version>/<packagename>, then click the changelog link on the right.
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08:33<ravenbird>a package that shows you the NEWS.Debian and/or the Debian changelogs for packages before upgrading them. It is well worth it for stable users, to see what is happening to their machines as they apply security fixes. It should be made _mandatory_ for users of testing and unstable. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listbugs>.
08:33<mxh>I want to use Arch ,but I have no more free disk space .
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08:34<einar_>So you think arch is good?'
08:34<centyx>Mycat is pretty cool.
08:34<einar_>Whats mycat
08:34<amitz>hmm, looking, thanks!
08:35<mxh>I think it is not very suitable for beginners.
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08:36<einar_>When ur going to install from usb is it just to put in the usb and restart the pc?
08:37<mxh>You must download the image for usb at first .
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08:41<einar_>So i can get a live cd to my usb and install from there
08:42<mxh>you can not put the live cd to usb directly !
08:43<jm_>that is perfectly doable with Debian images
08:43<mxh>put the live cd to usb by a tool
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08:44<mxh>You should check your pc can boot from usb device at first .
08:44<centyx>einar_: perhaps you should /connect and /join #archlinux for help there
08:45<centyx>einar_: if you're wanting to install arch
08:45<mxh>You'd better go to to get more information .
08:48<mxh>If you want to use a distro , go to its site to get information about it .
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08:51<centyx>mxh: true... but it also seems a bit odd to be asking for arch help in #debian
08:52<centyx>mxh: hint
08:53<mxh>Linux is free ,so I think the talk about Linux is also free .
08:53<jm_>yes but not here
08:59<jMCg>Free as in Beer, or free as in free speech?
08:59<jMCg>I love that question. It's so useless and silly.
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09:03<einar_>Wel mxh
09:03<einar_>What kind of tool
09:04<mxh>a tool to make a bootable usb
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09:20<fixl>is there a bug in java and some ipv6 stuff?
09:20<koollman>I wonder if you could do a more generic and imprecise question
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09:21<koollman>I'm sure you can manage if you try hard
09:21<koollman>perhaps 'is there a bug?' :)
09:21<themill>%java ipv6
09:21<ravenbird>As of netbase 4.38, net.ipv6.bindv6only=1 is set, see This currently breaks networking in java, see for solutions. In short, sed -i 's/net.ipv6.bindv6only = 1/net.ipv6.bindv6only = 0/' /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf ; invoke-rc.d procps restart.
09:21<fixl>my eclipse gives me that, and a guy at the eclipse channel told me that this is a debian bug
09:22<fixl>ah kk
09:23<themill>fixl: it's not really a debian bug but one in Sun Java ... one that was reported several years ago to Sun and is still unfixed. A recent change to the settings for ipv6 just exposes this bug.
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09:39<einar_>Im moving to fedora
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10:13<amandina>dpkg is not here :D
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10:22<babilen>amandina: use ravenbird
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10:26<unixabg>If I am wanting a backend nas or storage for front end servers, what could someone recommend for me to examine?
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10:29<dbldtx>!qotd 0
10:30<amphi>dpkg is pining for the fjords
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10:34<einar_>How to install stuff from usb?
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10:35<mjk>einar_: ? Copy image directly(!), not filesystem-wise, to the USB stick, reboot, select USB stick as boot device (ASUS boards: F8), and there you go.
10:36<unixabg>Greetings, is anyone here working with OpenVZ? I ask since I am wanting to add to containers /proc/filesystems
10:36<einar_>I had a fedora usb live cd creator
10:36<themill>einar_: shouldn't you be #fedora on at this stage?
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10:37<einar_>naah i like it here:)
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10:37<unixabg>einar_: if needing live installer you might look at #debian-live
10:37<einar_>i had debian but i gave up
10:37<themill>einar_: if you're not seeking help with debian, then you're in the wrong place.
10:37<einar_>Im here to talk
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10:40<noflash>einar_, this channel is debian specific
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10:42<einar_>Lol how to get on freenode anywya
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11:34<dbldtx>I've been having loads of trouble getting (have yet to succeed) Nvidia on Squeeze the Debian way, would I meet little to no resistance if I reinstalled, this time LENNY, and gave it a go? Is there little or nothing to it, Nvidia on Lenny the Debian way?
11:34<dbldtx>...I think a bunch of non-standard problems, still seeking out jm_ to help me with the fix but thinking re-installing would be faster.
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11:36<petemc>jm_ doesnt be on irc at this time of the day
11:37<dbldtx>petemc; roger that, understooded
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11:49<rudi_s>dbldtx: Just for your information, for me the debian way works fine on lenny.
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11:50<dbldtx>rudi_s; roger, thanks.
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11:55<dbldtx>rudi_s; what kernel did you use? What kernel does Lenny install by default, there's just one?
11:55<rudi_s>dbldtx: Default kernel, 2.6.26-2-amd64.
11:56<rudi_s>There is also a backport kernel: 2.6.32
11:56<rudi_s>Didn't try it though, and I guess you would have to compile it for this kernel.
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11:56<dbldtx>..which requires a little extra to set up after install.. yeah, I'll use 2.6.26-2, thank you.
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12:31<bja>ravenbird: seen dpkg
12:31<ravenbird>bja: dpkg was last seen in #debian 1d 3h 32m 41s ago: <dpkg> Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
12:31<retrospectacus>running squeeze. HALP!
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12:35<dbldtx>sudo dpkg-reconfigure python2.6-minimal ?
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12:37<retrospectacus>/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: python2.6-minimal is broken or not fully installed
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12:44<Recku>I have a question!!!
12:44<Recku>When is new Debian release - Squezze
12:44<zumbi_>Recku: ask it!!!
12:44<dbldtx>Recku, ask.
12:44<ravenbird>see when will squeeze release
12:44<zumbi_>Recku: that's the question nobody can answer
12:45<Recku>When it's ready
12:45<zumbi_>sure :)
12:45<babilen>%when will squeeze release
12:45<Recku>This is the debian model roght
12:45<ravenbird>Squeeze will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. No release schedule is done yet. Ask me about <squeeze bet>. See
12:45<babilen>Recku: Read these posts ^^^^
12:45<Recku>ok thanks
12:45<zumbi_>ravenbird: squeeze bet
12:46<ravenbird>To add a bet to the squeeze pool, /msg dpkg squeeze pool 1 =~ s/!/! <nick>=yyyy-mm-dd/ and when squeeze pool 1 is filled, create squeeze pool 2 and update this factoid.
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12:47<Tio>WEnos dias
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12:48<Tio>AKgun espanishh
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12:51<Recku>Is there anyone who know why Google Earth running under Debian Lenny Are crashed
12:51<Recku>I've 512 RAM
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13:04<ODDity>this might sound like a stupid question - I can't figure out how, with a default install of deb to get gnome to open folders on the desktop in Nautilus instead of that rather useless file browser thing..
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13:05<cahoot>isn't that nautilus?
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13:05<ODDity>mm yeah looking at it, it is actually
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13:05<ODDity>but it's not got all the right columns
13:05<cahoot>problem solved
13:05<etcass>blah blah blah
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13:06<themill>etcass: do you have a debian question we can help you with?
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13:06<valdyn>ODDity: run nautilus-file-management-properties and change the setting
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13:07<old>ODDity: In preferences you'll find settings that will make Nautilus a bit more familiar...
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13:08<ODDity>indeed, i was hoping for that, however I cant find how to add main toolbar, location bar, side pane
13:09<ODDity>if I right click a folder and go browse folder, it opens up the familiar nautilus
13:09<valdyn>ODDity: 2nd tab, tick Always open in Browser window
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13:10<ODDity>valdyn, that's the badger! thank you
13:10<marlen>I'm using debian lenny,I have a problem.the audio is not working...any help please?
13:10<ODDity>marlen, have you checked the mixer settings
13:10<Torsten_W>"is not working" sayes nothing
13:10<marlen>the players work but there is no audio
13:11<ODDity>marlen, add the volume control applet to the panel, and open the mixer from that
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13:12<marlen>I opened it
13:12<ODDity>now check the master and PCM volumes are not muted
13:13<ODDity>and are raised to a suitable level
13:13<etcass>shut up marlen rickardo Oddity Torsten valdyn themill borja cahoot
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13:13<themill>etcass, Blah: please play elsewhere
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13:13<marlen>they are ok
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13:14<cahoot>marlen: only one soundcard? cat /proc/asound/cards
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13:16<marlen>I see this: 0 [IM ]: USB-Audio - VF0530 Live! Cam Chat IM
13:16<marlen> Creative Labs VF0530 Live! Cam Chat IM at usb-0000:00:03.3
13:17<cahoot>marlen: that's it?
13:17<Torsten_W>this is not a soundcard
13:17<cahoot>cam with mic
13:17<unixabg>Greetings, can I have multip chroots on a system with different ip addresses on the same subnet?
13:17<cahoot>ie a sounddevice as alsa sees it
13:17<marlen>I see:1 [SIS966 ]: HDA-Intel - HDA SIS966
13:17<marlen> HDA SIS966 at 0xfdff0000 irq 18
13:18<marlen>sorry I'm a beginner
13:18<cahoot>marlen: so the camera is default sounddevice - run (as root) alsa force-reload
13:18<Torsten_W>marlen, echo oprions snd-usb-audio index=-2 > /etc/modprobe.d/mysound.conf
13:18<Torsten_W>marlen, after that, reboot
13:18<cahoot>reboot for alsa?
13:18<Torsten_W> options snd-usb-audio index=-2 > /etc/modprobe.d/mysound.conf
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13:21<marlen>what advice do I have to take, please? I run alsa force-reload.ok do I have to reboot?
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13:21<Torsten_W>marlen, do that options snd-usb-audio index=-2 > /etc/modprobe.d/mysound.conf as root
13:22<Torsten_W>marlen, then reboot
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13:24<dbldtx>themill; unable to get nvidia+squeeze, I am reinstalling via LENNY now
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13:25<themill>dpkg, wb
13:25<dpkg>thanks, themill. It's good to be back.
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13:29<dbldtx>!damn dbldtx
13:29*dpkg sends dbldtx to the deepest circle of hell, reserved for mutineers and betrayers.
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13:31<marlen> snd-usb-audio ... command not found
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13:34<marlen>any help torsten
13:34<cahoot>marlen: (as root) do this: echo ' options snd-usb-audio index=-2' > /etc/modprobe.d/mysound.conf. Then alsa force-reload
13:34<marlen>ok,I'll try
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13:37<madduck>i have a machine with four onboard SATA ports and two RAIDs spanning sd[ad] and sd[bc]. What could be the reason that sd[ad] sync about 2.5 times as fast as sd[bc]?
13:37<madduck>nothing in the logs, nothing obvious on the machine
13:37<madduck>i think the last time i tried hdparm -tT, the values were equal for all four disks
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13:37<madduck>but i'll have to recheck once the sync is done.
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13:42<Dreakon>Hey guys, Brasero upset me this morning by freezing randomly mid-burning and almost making me late for class for its shananigans. Are there any better music burners out there for Linux
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13:42<cahoot>plain wodim?
13:43<Dreakon>Not sure what that is lol. Still getting accustomed to this Linux thing.
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13:44<marlen>ok cahoot thank you so much. it worked!
13:44<Dreakon>Does wodim have a GUI?
13:45<Dreakon>Guess we'll see ;)
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13:46<cahoot>Dreakon: you asked for better - not prettier
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13:46<centyx>Dreakon: brasero is a frontend for wodim and other tools
13:46<Dreakon>cahoot, guess I should've specified. ;)
13:46<tzafrir_laptop>Dreakon, k3b is one
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13:48<centyx>Dreakon: if you want to reduce obfuscation and chance of error, use the tools themselves. if you want a fancy gui, stick with brasero or k3b ( requires kde junk )
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13:49<bja>afaik brassero uses woodim as backend
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13:49<centyx>bja: I just stated that a couple lines back.
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13:50<centyx>bja: I was simply expounding on cahoot's point/suggestion.
13:50<cahoot>centyx: I feel thouroghly expounded ;)
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13:51<centyx>cahoot: ;P
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13:51<bja>centyx: he he according to my backlog i wrote that first ;P I guess i have too much darng lag today
13:51<centyx>yowee I'm lagged
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13:52<Dreakon>I'll give k3b a shot, as much as I like using terminal for everything, there's some things that I just like having a GUI for. ;)
13:52<centyx>bja: same here
13:52<centyx>bja: joy of tor
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13:52<bja>!beer centyx
13:52*dpkg deftly decants a fine Spaten Optimator for centyx
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13:53<kevin>I can't clic by tapping the touchpad anymore, here is my xorg.conf : do someone know how to fix this ?
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13:54<cahoot>Dreakon: one benefit of using wodim directly can be usable errormsgs
13:55<Dreakon>cahoot, I suppose, but if it errors out halfway through burning, the disc is still pretty useless ;)
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13:55<cahoot>might help you figure out *why*
13:56<unixabg>themill, I tested out having and alias eth0:1 and it appears that any service ran on eth0 is available on eth0:1
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13:59<nil>Hi everybody!Someone could help me with deluge in lenny stable?
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14:01<nil>My Deluge doesn't open anymore after put it in system tray.
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14:03<nil>Is there someone to help me???
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14:06<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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14:08<nil>So I've sayd ,my deluge does not open after put it on tray ,What can I do?
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14:09<locklace>i'm glad i don't live in a world where a question like that makes sense
14:10<centyx>I do miss xpdf, the keyboard controls. apvlv is terrible, and epdfview doesn't have the simple keyboard controls that I can tell.
14:10<ODDity>nil, have you tried closing it down with system monitor and starting it up again
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14:11<nil>ODDity: Yes
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14:12<ODDity>nil, and right clicking and selecting open doesn't restore it either?
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14:13<nil>oddity :No.I've tried to reinstall ,correct by dpkg.Itook a look in python configuration ,but nothing wrong.
14:13<centyx>ah epdfview does, they're just oddly bound, and where is the manpage?
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14:14<ODDity>nil, strange. Perhaps it has a bug. I'm not sure how to help sorry.
14:14<nil>It crashed after i had put it in the system tray.It tries to open but doesn't work.
14:16<nil>Oddity.Once a time I have had the same problem with kaffeine .I solved it reinstalling some dependencies.Mabe is the solution.I'm reinstalling gnome now.
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14:18<nil>ODDity :Could you send me a print of the deluge properties in Synaptic ?
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14:20<nil>To compare with mine
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14:22<nil>oddity : this is my print about the deluge properties
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14:25<Guest1371>my name is laura and you
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14:26<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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14:48<unixabg>Greetings, if I have a remote host that I want to install debian on that I have ssh root access to how would I do that? The system currently has centos on it.
14:49<ravenbird>debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>.
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14:55<unixabg>sney and ravenbird, the unit is not on site so I want to ssh in to a running centos box and convert it to debian. Can I do that?
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14:56<sney>unixabg: ssh requires a running unix system. you *might* be able to set it up on a separate volume with debootstrap then somehow convince the box to boot that volume instead of the centos one, but it wouldn't be easy and it'd help to have an accomplice at the datacenter or colo or whatever
14:57<unixabg>sney, well they offered to do it for me but how can I make my skills better if I do not try ;)
14:57<unixabg>I found this
14:58<sney>ah, that might work
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14:58<sney>yeah, that's basically automating what I said
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15:00<unixabg>sney my issue is that the original partitioning is using the entire system
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15:02<sney>never said it'd be easy. you'll just have to think out of the box. also, if you've never done anything like this before, it's probably not going to work. but you're right it'll be a learning experience
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15:07<albert>hi, i just installed ubuntu karmic. after the startup my bios says the harddrive is invalid too boot from, but if i hit "boot from first harddrive" in the live-cd-menu grub loads up
15:07<albert>i tried to reinstall grub2 but it didn't do any good
15:08<edrz>albert: this is not an ubuntu support channel
15:08<sney>albert: this is not the ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu
15:08<albert>ah, damn
15:08<albert>sorry, got the wrong channel
15:08<sney>way to click the first thing without looking.
15:08<albert>well, this is the first time i startup xchat and end up in #debian
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15:09<albert>didn't really pay attention
15:09<sney>xchat shows you a list of servers the first time you start it. One of the options there is "ubuntu servers."
15:09<sney>in retrospect, doesn't that seem like a more appropriate option?
15:10<albert>yeah, joined the wrong server
15:10<albert>well, have a nice day
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15:11<sney>of course, clicking without looking is probably also what got him into a situation where he needed help.
15:11<dbldtx>Or how he installed Ubuntu
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15:16<nathan>hi, i'm trying to partition my hard disk to create a lfs system on this. I decide to use fdisk to the partitioning but when a select the "new primary partition" (the p command after the n), and when i choose the size of it by typing +XMB (X be a value), fdisk always return : "Warning: The size of the partition is too small for ext2 filesystem" and i can choose between ignore and cancel. But i would like why my partition is to
15:16<nathan>o small (i want to create a 1500MB partition).
15:17<nathan>and i can choose "ignore" but i want to understand this error
15:17<sney>fdisk is just weird, it has quirks. cfdisk is generally better.
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15:18<nathan>sney, ok, i will try
15:18<koollman>the only use of fdisk for me is 'fdisk -l'. aside of that, cfdisk or parted interfaces are much more useful
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15:19<nathan>koollman, where i can find cfdisk?
15:19<nathan>it is in an other package?
15:20<koollman>it is probably already installed, if you have fdisk from util-linux. same package
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15:20<kop>!tell nathan about apt-file
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15:21<sney>kop: we don't have dpkg currently. ravenbird is the backup, the trigger is % but I'm not sure the tell function works
15:22<sney>anyway, nathan: aptitude install apt-file, then apt-file search filename
15:22<koollman>and right before the first search, apt-file update ;)
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15:22<sney>I was sure it did it automatically as part of the install.
15:23<themill>dpkg, pal sney
15:23*dpkg points at sney and laughs uproariously
15:23<sney>where did that come from
15:23<sney>dpkg: wb
15:23<dpkg>thanks, sney. It's good to be back.
15:23<nathan>kop, thanks about that
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15:24<themill>sney: it was fixed about 2 hours ago
15:24<sney>ah, while I was out. figures.
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15:25<Borja>hablo español
15:25<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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15:26<nathan>!dpkg dlocate
15:26<dpkg>i guess dlocate is now similar to <locate>, can be used to locate the package a file belongs to; "update-dlocatedb" to update the database to include recently installed files - has similar functionality as dpkg -S, but is faster.
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15:33<nathan>if i want to partition my hdd with cfdisk. i have to use the "copy" option to create a new partition over an other?
15:33<nathan>on the primary for example?
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15:35<sney>create a new partition over another? like logical partitions? or what are you trying to do?
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15:46<nathan>sney, i want to create a partition to run a lfs system on it
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15:47<sney>nathan: ok, do you have any free space on your disk?
15:47<nathan>i have a primary, extended and logical (swap) partition
15:47<nathan>yeah but i just don't know on what partition i have to create an other
15:47<nathan>on primary?
15:47<nathan>sney, yes i have
15:47<sney>you can only create logical partitions on extended partitions
15:47<nathan>i need 13GO
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15:48<nathan>sney, ok. in cfisk, the "copy" option is "write another partition over this one"
15:48<nathan>i have to use it?
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15:49<sney>nathan: read man cfdisk
15:49<nathan>sney, i already do it
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15:49<nathan>but there is no how to wich explain how to use the contextual menu
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15:58<edrz>dpkg: i missed you.
15:58<dpkg>I missed you too, edrz!
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16:02<gnuday>there is a broken .deb source package that I need to patch with a diff file. Can anybody point me to a wiki/ procedure to do this
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16:03<edrz>gnuday: broken how?
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16:04<gnuday>oh it fails to compile due to missing definitions in a header file
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16:05<centyx>gnuday: is it fixed in unstable?
16:05<gnuday>I'm afraid not see
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16:15<edrz>hmm. my mouse needs a longer tail.
16:16<edrz>can I kick something in the system to get a ps/2 mouse re-recognized?
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16:16<edrz>i should just get another usb mouse.
16:17<cowgod><-- debian noob. i'm trying to get bash to save history immediately, but it's complaining about a syntax error: PROMPT_COMMAND="$PROMPT_COMMAND;history -a" help?
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16:22<nathan>hey, when i want to create a new partition on my primary partition with cfdisk, i need to unmount it but of course it's busy. So, how i can unmount my using partition?
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16:24<edrz>nathan: you mean without booting from another medium (live usb/cd/net, rescue disk, etc)?
16:24<nathan>edrz, yeah, i booted on /dev/sda and now i want to create a new partition on /dev/sda1
16:25<edrz>what is /dev/sda?
16:25<edrz>i mean, a drive or a usb stick or something.
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16:26<nathan>edrz, drive
16:26<nathan>hard drive disk
16:26<edrz>and you have / mounted on /dev/sda?
16:26<edrz>if that's possible, i didn't know it.
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16:27<nathan>edrz, yes
16:27<nathan>so how i can create a new partition on it with cfdisk
16:27<edrz>then i don't know how to help
16:27<nathan>cause i can't unmount /dev/sda
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16:27<nathan>cause i'm using it
16:28<edrz>do you know parted?
16:28<retrospectacus>nathan: you have to do it from a different OS like take the disk and plug it into another computer or boot a LiveCD
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16:29<edrz>retrospectacus: is that odd? installing directly to the device without any partitioning?
16:29<nathan>retrospectacus, so what is the utility of cfdisk or soft like that
16:29<edrz>seems unusual to me.
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16:29<nathan>create logical part?
16:29<nathan>resize etc... ?
16:29<sney>you can't repartition your main hard drive while you're using it.
16:30<nathan>sney, so i have to use a live cd
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16:30<sney>yes, or anything like it
16:30<edrz>nathan: that's what I suggested at first. (or tried to)
16:30<nathan>ok thanks
16:30<edrz>maybe I was oblique
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16:40<old>cowgod: '-a' is not a switch for history I guess.
16:41<cowgod>it is, but it's expecting a filename. i tried ~/.bash_history, and the command no longer complains, but it also doesn't seem to work
16:41<cowgod>nothing i've found online suggests you need to enter a filename explicitly
16:41<cowgod>i'm trying to do this:
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16:43<MrclX>ive installed debian with lvm and set a raid0
16:44<MrclX>but the lvm is on an external 70gb scsi hdd, no raid
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16:44<MrclX>when i start i get: root (hd2,0) filesystem type unknown, partition type 0xfd
16:45<MrclX>kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 root=/dev/mapper/server-root ro quiet
16:45<MrclX>error 17: cannot mount selected partition
16:46<MrclX>whats the problem?!
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16:49<musca>partition type 0xfd is Linux raid auto
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16:50<MrclX>so the raid doesnt work?
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16:51<edrz>it's not really required anymore. i've read 0xfd is deprecated, actually.
16:51<edrz>MrclX: is it raid over lvm or vice versa?
16:52<old>cowgod: In fact history -a does not need any filename...
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16:53<old>cowgod: First of all: What error do you get?
16:53<MrclX>okay i have 3 hdds: 1x 70gb scsi, 2x 1,5tb sata; on the whole 70gb scsi is my system (lvm) and on with the 2x1,5 sata i made a raid0 3tb /srv/-partition
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16:54<MrclX>software... i have a poor "fake-raid-controller", there i have set my sata hdds (i have no sata ports on mainboard) on the normal sata mode. do i have to change them to to raid0?
16:54<Scynix>If a system is listening to a port on, does that mean it's only listening to itself?
16:55<kop>Scynix: Yes.
16:55<amphi>Scynix: which is (or can be) useful ;)
16:55<cowgod>old: apparently i needed a semi-colon at the end of the line. i added that and removed ~/.bash_history but it still doesn't work as expected
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16:56<Scynix>kop, amphi: Thanks.
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16:59<old>cowgod: Did you try the original version with `history -a` before $Prompt?
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17:00<cowgod>yeah, i've tried both
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17:23<old>cowgod: Try `PROMPT_COMMAND='history -a'`
17:24<cowgod>with back-ticks?
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17:26<old>cowgod: No. I use `` as '' sometimes. I need to learn not to use them...
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17:27<old>cowgod: This overwrites previous value of the variable if it was set before though.
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17:28<cowgod>old: thanks for helping. i figured it out... it wasn't reading the history file, even though it was being updated. i added history -r into the mix and now it works
17:29<old>cowgod: Good to know. Maybe I'll use this in the future.
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17:32<dtxpalmpredtx>Hallo via Palm Pre! Installing Lenny on DualCore AMD.. Do I want kernel 2.6 or 2.6.26-2, and with my processor, should I install a 486 or 686?
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17:37<dondelelcaro>dtxpalmpredtx: you probably want amd64, and linux-image-2.6-amd64 is the right metapackage to install
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17:52<Statick>evening all
17:52<Statick>i have come here in search of help... anyone got a few mins they can spare?
17:52<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
17:52<Statick>fresh debian install wont boot
17:52<Statick>it dumps me to a shell
17:53<Statick>i can give the error message in a few minutes, when it gets there :)
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17:54<Statick>ok first off it complains about usb stuff
17:54<Statick>and waits for aaaaages
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17:55<Statick>"unable to enumerate usb device on port 1"
17:56<Statick>ive googled that and apparently other people get this error and it still boots, so not sure if this is relevant
17:56<Statick>its still waiting
17:57<Statick>no disk activity nothing
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17:57<Statick>alert! /dev/sda5 does not exist. dropping to a shell!
17:58<ubuntujenkins>hello how do i convert to an svn address ? I am inexperienced with svn
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18:00<Statick>im not entirely sure which exact version of debian it is, but i downloaded it this morning
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18:03<themill>ubuntujenkins: you can "svn export svn://"
18:03<ubuntujenkins>thanks themill I see how that makes sense
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18:07<mercutio22>if want to access another pc via ssh and authenticate the connection with dsa encryption keys, where does the private key need to be kept at?
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18:08<mercutio22>bja: but does it need to be appended to a default file? like that known_hosts one?
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18:10<bja>mercutio22: your ssh private key should live there on your machine, on the host you want to access you need to have the public key
18:12<mercutio22>bja: I get that, the question is if I have to append the private dsa key generate by ssh-keygen to another file inside ~/.ssh, like for instance a suspitious known_hosts file that lays there.
18:13<bja>mercutio22: no, private keys are never appended
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18:30<Faratl>anyone have teamviewer
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18:30<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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18:32<ubuntujenkins>anyone familiar with the packaging of texlive? The redmes are susfull but i have as specific question. on how what goes in the packages is specified by all these scripts. I would like to build the packages with everything that is in the current texlive source
18:33<themill>ubuntujenkins: what are you trying to achieve?
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18:34<bremner>ubuntujenkins: I think you want #ubuntu on freenode for your ubuntu questions.
18:34<ubuntujenkins>themill: I am part of the ubuntu-manual team and the packages in lucid don't have evrything we want (i personally don't know what). The team would like to set up a personal ppa with the stuff we need as we are getting people dispite our note on it installing the packages
18:34<ubuntujenkins>bremner: the packages are made by/from debian
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18:36<ubuntujenkins>I am hoping someone with some knowledge can point me in the right direction
18:36<themill>ubuntujenkins: ubuntu has its own ways of setting things up (particularly PPAs) and if they are already importing these packages directly they should know how to work on them too. Try #ubuntu-devel on
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18:37<sney>ubuntujenkins: and if you want to submit your improvements upstream, you can contact the texlive maintainer(s) directly. They're almost always listed in the package page on
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18:38<bremner>ubuntujenkins: it sounds like you need someone with basic debian packaging expertise to work with you.
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18:39<bremner>ubuntujenkins: I think there is a channel #ubuntu-motu of people who might give you some generic hints.
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18:44<ubuntujenkins>ok thanks bremner, sney and themill my connection lagged so only just got it all i will see if anyone in those channels can hel
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19:00<ninjafury>I have a laptop that has an integrated intel gpu and a discrete nvidia gpu. Currently the nvidia driver is used. I would like to make debian use the intel driver to save battery. How can I do this?
19:02<ninjafury>I tried to disable the nvidia card from the bios, but no such option was available. Then I noticed the xorg.conf uses the nvidia driver. Is there a way to generate an xorg.conf for the intel driver?
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19:08<will>man xorg.conf
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19:33<ninjafury>will: Is there no way to automatically generate an xorg.conf file? Ater reading the man file I see no mention of how to do this.
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19:35<will>I think you have to load the right module and say to the xorg.conf to use it
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19:36<will>look at the module section
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19:38<abahim>hello what is the command to mount my other drive please
19:38<abahim>on debian 5.04
19:38<will>man mount
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19:38<abahim>will i am a man
19:39<Statick>anyone got a keyboard shortcut for display settings
19:39<Statick>or drivers
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19:39<Statick>finally got this thing to boot, but display is all wrong, leftmost third of the display is off the screen
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19:39<Statick>so i cant get to the important stuff
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19:43<dbldtx>grep -B2 'Module class: X.Org Video Driver' /var/log/Xorg.0.log ~~returns~~ (II) Module nv: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
19:43<dbldtx>Does this mean that I don't have to install nvidia-glx 'the Debian way' since I'm already running NV?
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19:44<Zomb>what did you expect instead?
19:44<dbldtx>Neither of the free drivers support 3D acceleration. Only the non-free nvidia drivers support 3D. ~~answers my own question, sorry all.
19:44<Zomb>do you need 3D accel?
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19:45<dbldtx>Zomb; expected it to be running VESA, and yes I do, getting it now
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20:33<Scynix>What function or purpose do the null and zero devices serve when created with mknod?
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20:37<onur>Hi. When I try to run reportbug it's giving this error: It's working fine with root. I just installed sid and trying to run reportbug in this.
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20:40<bremner>onur: try reinstalling reportbug?
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20:41<onur>I found the problem
20:41<onur>it's not working my current locale
20:42<onur>after I changed my locale to en_US.UTF-8 it's working fine
20:43<bremner>huh. sounds like a bug.
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20:45<onur>yes, I'll report it
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20:53<ramalave>hello good evening
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20:54<ramalave>i need you help please
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20:55<ml|>dpkg: ask
20:55<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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20:59<Scynix>Ok, so from gathering information piecemeal, the impression I'm getting is the dev and null devices are locations the system can dump information to that goes no where- and the purpose of mknod'ing them is used when, for example, you need access to the devices from within a chroot jail. Is this correct?
21:00<Scynix>I apologize that it isn't a Debian specific question, I'm just not sure where else I can ask such a question.
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21:45<jesperj>I use lenny and sometime ago youtube just stopped working
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21:46<jesperj>is this a known problem with the flash videos not working on youtube and other sites with debian lenny?
21:46<jesperj>is it fixable?
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21:48<gambolputty>What tool or program creates the links in the rcS.d directory?
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21:59<sney>gambolputty: update-rc.d
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22:00<gambolputty>can update-rc.d recreate an entire default rcS.d directory?
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22:16<gambolputty>Could someone show the directory contents of /etc/rcS.d for a current Debian system?
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22:20<chevy>chevy@minimal:/etc$ ls rcS.d
22:20<chevy> S36udev-mtab S50alsa-utils
22:20<chevy> S37mountoverflowtmp
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22:24<gambolputty>thx chevy
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22:52<ml|>gambolputty: the contents of /etc/rc*/ vary
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22:54<dbldtx>ml| I fixed my Squeeze+Nvidia issue!
22:54<bja>!pie ml|
22:54*dpkg hits ml| in the face with a cream pie
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22:55<ml|>!congratulate dbldtx
22:55<dpkg>Yay dbldtx, you did it!
22:55<gambolputty>True, but chevy helped me. I deleted rcS.d by accident
22:55<gambolputty>now my secondary computer is up and running again
22:55<ml|>backup backup backup ;)
22:55<dbldtx>ml| thank you! It was easy, I just re-installed using Lenny Netinst :(
22:56<ml|>dbldtx: well, that's what you get for using testing's installer ;)
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23:00<gambolputty>bye all
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23:01<jordanb>So I have a laptop with an encrypted hard drive.
23:01<ml|>dbldtx: just wondering, using lenny now?
23:02<jordanb>I just tried upgrading the kernel to 2.6.32-3.
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23:02<ler4y>Any russians here?
23:02<dbldtx>ml| yes
23:02<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ or use English here.
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23:02<jordanb>But when I try to boot with that kernel, it compalins about the padlock_aes module not existing
23:02<jordanb>ANd then bombs out trying to mount the root fs.
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23:04<jordanb>Woah! WHen I do apt-file search, I find padlock-aes.ko in the linux-image-2.6.30-2 module, but not 2.6.32-3.
23:05<ml|>jordanb: ls /boot/config-2.6.3*
23:05<ml|>/boot/config-2.6.30-2-686 /boot/config-2.6.32-3-686
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23:06<xThiAg0>someone has a Radeon x1200?
23:06<ml|>jordanb: on both kernels here
23:07<ml|>oh, and that's using debian's kernels
23:07<jordanb>hm, it exists on the other computer I have here with 2.6.32 too.
23:07<jordanb>I'm booting this machine with the old kernel to investigate.
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23:07<ml|>maybe purge and reinstall?
23:08<jordanb>Ok. padlock-aes.ko *is* in kernel/drivers/crypto.
23:09<jordanb>I think the actual error is "device not found"
23:09<dpkg>from memory, bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to populate /var/log/boot . For the reason behind the default, see (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg).
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23:10<ml|>jordanb: ^ enable that to make sure what the message is
23:11<jordanb>The message is this: [ 24.173537] padlock: VIA PadLock not detected.
23:11<ml|>ah, dmesg to the rescue, thought it was a boot message
23:11<jordanb>modprobe: WARNING: Error inserting padlock_aes (/lib/modules/2.6.32-3-686/kernel/drivers/crypto/padlock-aes.ko): No such device
23:11<jordanb>I'm transcribing. ^_^
23:12<jordanb>key slot 0 unlocked.
23:12<jordanb>Command successful / Volum group "marvin" not found
23:12<jordanb>cryptsetup: failed to setup lvm device
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23:14<jordanb> <-- Maybe this is my problem.
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23:16<np_>better day...
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23:18<ml|>jordanb: if you think that's it/a bug, reply to that bug report and/or keep searching; or even file a new one if none matches your issue
23:19<jordanb>The resolution to that bug is to install lvm2. I'm doing that now to see if it works.
23:19<ml|>good luck
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23:25<jordanb>Yeah that worked.
23:25<dbldtx>ml| it just occurred to me.. if I installed Lenny and got NVIDIA-GLX working just fine... what's to stop me from dist-upgrading now and keeping my working hardware acceleration?
23:26<ml|>dbldtx: it won't work
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23:26<ml|>you have to follow dpkg nvidia squeeze; should work this time
23:27<dbldtx>ml| roger that, thanks for clearing that up.. well I am on Lenny now and everything's working and I like it, so I'm going to stay with Lenny
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23:27<ml|>if that's what you want to do, /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze; ok
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23:28<dbldtx>I finally got my Nexuiz fix and got some Counter-Strike: Source scrims in... thank you. Very helpful. I can't wait to tell jm_ how I fixed my squeeze+nvidia issue, he'll facepalm for sure.
23:29<ml|>sometimes there are no better ways, my hunch still stand as the testing installer at fault tho
23:30<ml|>!congratulate jordanb
23:30<dpkg>Hugs & Puppies jordanb, you did it!
23:30<jordanb>That's awesome.
23:30<dpkg><peterS> I don't know if I need anything with a name like 'shortening' touching that area
23:31<dpkg><exobyte> California should steal .ca from canada <exobyte> our state flower causes people to fail drug tests. how kick ass is that?!
23:31<dbldtx>Last one, though I could go all day.
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23:31<ml|>!bot abuse
23:31*dpkg huddles in the corner, whimpering 'please, please stop'
23:31<dbldtx>!tell ml| about qotd0
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23:33<ml|>dbldtx: got that? ;)
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23:33<dbldtx>ml| roger wilco
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