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00:03<amitz>and if it doesn't exist yet, do you think people actually have a need for such package?
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00:10<sney>amitz: sorry, do you mean a system that alerts you to bug reports about a package before you install it? that's apt-listbugs
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00:26<kop>Is there a way to determine the license of a package without installing it?
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00:27<sney>kop: apt-cache policy, maybe
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00:27<sney>or look it up on p.d.o
00:29<amitz>it's probably what I wanted sney, thanks. Just need to fix a bug on the apt-buglists package, heh
00:30<amitz>work around
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00:31<kop>I'm not clever enough to get the answer out of apt-cache right now. p.d.o. seems the way to go. But look at this. I get a "not found". Is that a bug or what?
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00:32<Rapsodius>Hi! I want to configure ntpd so it stores the time in DST format into the BIOS, but to display the correct offset on linux
00:32<Rapsodius>I read its man page, but nope
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00:35<kop>Rapsodius: /etc/default/rcS
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00:38<kop>Rapsodius: Note that the clock is not in bios but cmos.
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01:00<Rapsodius>kop: oh! I forgot I asked this <grin>
01:00<Rapsodius>kop: thanks
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01:26<ne7work>How to install debian please someone help me I have one DVD+RW
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01:31<chlin1>there is tutorial with screenshots here -
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01:34<ne7work>chlin1 i need all 5 dvds or?
01:34<ne7work>one of them?
01:35<ne7work>two of them or tree of them?
01:35<sney>only one
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01:35<sney>yes, if you have an amd64 computer
01:36<ne7work>other four dvds?
01:36<ne7work>debian-504-amd64-DVD-2 to DVD-5
01:36<sney>optional packages, which you can get from the internet once your system is installed. much faster that way. you won't use all of them. the full set is provided for people with no internet.
01:36<ne7work>well I need only first dvd for install :}
01:37<ne7work>no others?
01:38<ne7work>When I can install slackware some problems will i have with debian installation?
01:39<ne7work>will i have some problems with debian*
01:39<sney>probably not
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01:40<ne7work>sney debian or slackware for web server and hlds cs 1.6 server?
01:40<ne7work>I need apache, mysql-server, php5-mysql, phpmyadmin and hlds
01:40<sney>debian has all of those except hlds, which you can get from valve
01:41<sney>debian also has security updates. I don't know if slackware does.
01:41<ne7work>slackware or debian is good for hlds server and web server/
01:41<ne7work>wich one of them
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01:41<sney>both are good. I use debian because I know debian. slackware is fine. use what you understand.
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01:42<ne7work>sney with debian 64-bit can I use 32-bit applications?
01:42<ne7work>In slackware 13.0 64 I needed multilib
01:42<ne7work>for this
01:43<ne7work>I can use static skype from
01:43<sney>I don't know
01:43<sney>I have not tried. probably.
01:43<ne7work>What Skype you use?
01:43<sney>I do not use skype.
01:43<ne7work>okay ;]
01:43<ne7work>When I have some problems with debian can I ask you for help?
01:44<dr|z3d>Yeah, static Skype should work fine.
01:44<ne7work>okay dr|z3d
01:44<dr|z3d>There's a .deb for Skype.. use that.
01:44<sney>when you have problems with debian you come here, there are usually helpful people
01:44<ne7work>hmm In debian how to set pppoe internet
01:45<sney>with the pppoe package, i think
01:45<gsimmons>dpkg: tell ne7work -about pppoe
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01:45<ansgar>ne7work: Google knows it.
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01:46<ne7work>okay in slackware it is easy and under ubuntu too :}
01:46<ne7work>ubuntu for me is sucks
01:46<sney>ubuntu is sucks for a lot of people
01:47<sney>anyway for pppoe, and see what dpkg told you
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02:32<mansi>hey firends i am trying to implement a squid proxy in office.....
02:32<mansi>i need to block direct traffic via linksys router
02:32<mansi>how can do it? i need to pass all traffic via debian squid proxy at
02:32<mansi>router ip is
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02:41<ne7work><sney> when you have problems with debian you come here, there are usually helpful people
02:41<ne7work>just wait ;)
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02:42<mansi>yaeh...that is true...there are many helpful people out here :)
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03:04<mtnman>hello everybody! </dr_nick>
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03:05<Rapsodius>quick question: how can I make a program read a lib that is on its same path?
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03:06<locklace>Rapsodius: man
03:06<kostas>Hello I cant mount ntfs partitions with debian squeeze. I installed ntfs-3g but I get a permission problem with the normal user. root works fine
03:06<dr|z3d>kostas: maybe try ntfs-config
03:07<dr|z3d>judd versions ntfs-config
03:07<judd>ntfs-config -- sid: 1.0.1-6; squeeze: 1.0.1-6
03:07<Rapsodius>Ãlocklace: ty
03:07<locklace>!user accessible ntfs
03:07<dpkg>To get an NTFS or VFAT file system accessible by users and groups on the local machine, man mount; man 5 fstab; and read about the umask, fmask, dmask, uid, and gid options. You'll end up sticking something like conv=auto,uid=<user>,gid=<group>,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 into your fstab's mount option field.
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03:08<mtnman>i have loaded sound modules for my card, done dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base to run alsa, done alsaconf, and now /dev/audio does not exist! how can i get /dev/audio to be created?
03:08<mjt>for fstab, dpkg's suggestion is wrong
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03:09<mjt>omitting uid= and adding users sounds better
03:09<locklace>mtnman: there is no /dev/audio
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03:09<mtnman>locklace please elaborate
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03:10<locklace>i find elaboration on that statement impossible
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03:10<ansgar>mjt: For non-removable storage? Why would one want to mount that only on demand?
03:10<mtnman>locklace: i had said that /dev/audio does not exist and you seem to concur. but i don't understand what you are getting at.
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03:11<locklace>mtnman: alsa doesn't have a /dev/audio
03:11<mjt>ansgar: makes sense, i didn't think of permanent mounts. But on-demand mounts also makes sense, because only owner a a file is able to change attributes
03:12<mjt>s/a a/of a/
03:12<mjt>i wonder when /dev/audio was _ever_ used
03:12<mtnman>locklace well a possible avenue for elaboration would be to explain the mechanism in place instead of /dev/audio. i have applications which are trying to write to it.
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03:12<locklace>mjt: my last recollection of it is as an old sunos thing
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03:12*mtnman wonders if mjt has ever used an oss system.
03:12<mjt>mtnman: sure you actually had /dev/audio?
03:13<kostas>locklace is there a howto someplace. _Must_ I do it from /etc/fstab ?
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03:13<locklace>i guess it could be part of oss-compat, it has all kinds of old dumb devices
03:13<mjt>in oss it was /dev/dsp
03:13<mjt>and /dev/mixer
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03:13<mjt>but not /dev/audio :)
03:13<mjt>but i might be wrong, it was some years ago
03:13<pcstvs>hi, iam trying to find a way to add packages to a Partial Debian Mirror i have on my computer
03:14<mjt>and it's irrelevant for current discussion anyway
03:14<mtnman>mjt yes i am sure. i have apps looking for /dev/audio,and it has existed previously. mjt if you are not familiar with this, that is fine, but your knowledge is obviously limited in this case. i have an application trying to write to /dev/audio (which had been linked to /dev/audio0 which also no longer exists).
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03:15<mjt>mtnman: i already said all that
03:15<mjt>mtnman: knowlege, memory, relevance etc
03:15<mtnman>mjt no not exactly. if you don't know then please don't belittle me.
03:16<mjt>strange man asking for help and asking to shut up
03:16<locklace>the only possible place they could exist is in a compatibility layer
03:16<mjt>silent help, heh.
03:16<mtnman>mjt you are spouting text but not helping.
03:17<mtnman>mjt you are telling me something never existed, but you don't know what you are talking about.
03:17<mjt>mtnman: relax. with this attitude it's difficult to get help actually
03:17<locklace>,versions alsa-oss
03:17<judd>alsa-oss -- etch: 1.0.12-1; lenny: 1.0.15-1; sid: 1.0.17-4; squeeze: 1.0.17-4
03:17<locklace>mtnman: install that
03:17<mtnman>mjt i am very relaxed. prone position even.
03:17<mtnman>locklace alsa-oss is already installed.
03:18<Greed>.version sun-java6-plugin
03:18<pcstvs>anybody know about Debian mirror management here?
03:18<Greed>.versions sun-java6-plugin
03:18<Greed>!versions sun-java6-plugin
03:18<mjt>pcstvs: maybe you're looking at apt repository cache?
03:18<mtnman>dpkg tell pcstvs about mirror
03:19<mjt>Greed: that's leading comma, not dot
03:19<Greed>,versions sun-java6-plugin
03:19<judd>sun-java6-plugin -- etch-backports/non-free: 6-07-3~bpo40+1; lenny/non-free: 6-12-1; squeeze/non-free: 6-16-1; sid/non-free: 6.20-dlj-1
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03:20<pcstvs>mjt: hi, i've setup a partial mirror for use with debian-cd
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03:20<pcstvs>mjt: now i need to find a way to add packages to i
03:20<pcstvs>mjt: it#
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03:22<mjt>pcstvs: well, apt-mirror or debmirror comes to mind
03:22<mjt>but i never used neither of them
03:22<locklace>mtnman: well, find /dev -name 'audio*' or play around with the alsa-oss config or loaded modules, worst case you can mknod the device
03:23<mjt>mknod what? ;)
03:23<kostas>locklace is there a howto someplace. _Must_ I do it from /etc/fstab ?
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03:23<mjt>nowadays all devices are created by udev after _actual_ presence of the device in kernel
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03:24<mjt>if you create something else, all tries to access it will end up with ENODEV
03:24<mtnman>locklace as i said, /dev/audio does not exist. alsa-oss is installed. modules are loaded. mknod the device will not link /dev/audio to anyting meaningful (it had been linked to /dev/audio0 previously)
03:24<mtnman>and cat /proc/asound/cards says no cards found
03:25<mtnman>actually it returns "--- no soundcards ---
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03:25<locklace>mtnman: you failed to process what i actually said
03:26<locklace>mtnman: and if you have no sound cards recognised by alsa, you have a much more fundamental problem
03:26<mtnman>locklace that is obvously the problem i am trying to solve.
03:26<locklace>so you'll want to start by getting the kernel to actually see your sound card
03:26<mtnman>locklace dmesg shows info about the card.
03:27<locklace>fine, start pasting the info at
03:27<locklace>also paste output of lsmod and lspci -knn
03:27<mtnman> Yamaha DS-1 PCI: probe of 0000:00:0c.0 failed with error -2
03:28<pcstvs>mjt: i've got the mirror setup and i am able to build Squeeze ISO images through Debian-CD ...iam looking for a way to add some packages to it.
03:28<Torsten_W>mtnman, possible missing firmware
03:28<mjt>actually /dev/audio is provided by snd-pcm-oss module
03:28<mjt>but mtnman does not want to hear from such an unknowlegeable person as me
03:28<mtnman>mjt you had previosly said the /dev/audio does not exist.
03:29<mjt>i asked _you_ if it exist
03:29<locklace>mjt: yeah, but all bets are off if he has no sound cards seen by alsa, a fact which he conveniently omitted at the outset
03:29<mjt>locklace: that's obvious by proc/asound/cards
03:30<locklace>now that we've actually seen it, yes
03:30<mjt>even if i unload all alsa drivers, snd-pcm-oss still provides /dev/audio
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03:30<mjt>mtnman: asked you and noted that i _think_ it did not exist, and noted also that I actually don't remember since it was quite some time ago.
03:31<mjt>but ok
03:31<mtnman>snd-pcm-oss is loaded, but /dev/audio still is not present.
03:31<Torsten_W>doesn't matter
03:32<locklace>mtnman: stop talking and start pasting
03:32<Torsten_W>even if it would exist, it would bring nothing
03:32<mjt>heh. I found another alsa driver here -- bound to my tv tuner card :)
03:32<Torsten_W>and ymaha needs firmware
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03:32<mtnman>that is correct. it had been previoulsly linked to /dev/audio0
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03:32<mjt>removing _that_ makes /dev/audio go away ;)
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03:33<mtnman>Torsten_W where can i get this firmware and how can i load it?
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03:34<mjt>it's probably in firmware-linux or firmware-linux-nonfree package
03:34<mjt>but again, mtnman probably does not want to hear that from me... ;)
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03:34<gsimmons>mjt: WRT to snd-ymfpci, it is not (unknown license).
03:34<mjt>so it's not even included in debian?
03:35<mtnman>mjt your knowledge is spotty and your communication is not clear.
03:35<Torsten_W>mtnman, you may need those 3 files: ds1_ctrl.fw, ds1_dsp.fw and ds1e_ctrl.fw
03:35<gsimmons>mjt: No (if that even is the applicable driver, which we still don't know).
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03:36<Torsten_W>mtnman, download them and put to /lib/firmware/yamaha
03:36*mjt looks at his own kernel packages...
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03:36<mjt>i probably should review the license issues there
03:36<mjt>gsimmons: thanks!
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03:38<mtnman>Torsten_W thanks. i will go do that.
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03:39<mtnman>mjt thank you for your efforts.
03:39<mjt>my efforts? That was fun :)
03:40<mtnman>mjt even though you were of no real help, you kept the conversation going long enough for Torsten_W to chime in.
03:40<mjt>btw, modprobe error -2 usually means a firmware loading problem, and in that case it takes 60 sec to "load" the module
03:40<kostas>mjt can you help me a little on this ?
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03:41<mjt>kostas: um, on what?
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04:02<mtnman>Torsten_W do i need to do a chmod +x on those firmware files?
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04:19<k\t>maybe __20h___ ... maybe...
04:19<babilen>mtnman: that is not typically not neccessary
04:20<kostas>mjt I mean on how to add uid= premsions e.t.c.
04:21<mtnman>babilen hmm... the firmware seems to not be loading... /proc/asound/cards still shows --- no soundcards ---
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04:22<gsimmons>mtnman: Assuming snd-ymfpci: "modprobe -r snd-ymfpci ; modprobe snd-ymfpci"
04:22<babilen>mtnman: I am not aware of the details of your problem, but running that ^^^^ commands and "dmesg |tail -n 10" should provide some insights
04:22<mtnman>gsimmons those modules are all loaded. i had loaded them, then ran alsaconf which unloaded/loaded them.
04:22<Torsten_W>mtnman, paste the output of dmesg | grep -i firmw
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04:24<mtnman>pasted on #flood
04:24<Torsten_W>mtnman, paste it on
04:24<babilen>mtnman: can't you paste it to a pastebin? - i'm not in #flood
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04:25<mtnman>Torsten_W done
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04:26<mtnman>pasted to
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04:26<Torsten_W>mtnman, ls -al /lib/firmware/yamaha
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04:27<babilen>mtnman: And you have "/lib/firmware/yamaha/ds1_dsp.fw" in place - paste ^^^
04:28<mtnman>Torsten_W ok i had those *fw files in /lib/firmware just moved them back to /lib/firmware/yamaha
04:30<babilen>mtnman: Run the modprobe line and paste the output of "dmesg|tail -n 10" please ..
04:30<babilen>Do you still get the "firmware request failed" error?
04:31<mtnman>probe failed with error -2
04:31<mtnman>i have been running alsaconf to unload/load modules.
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04:33<Torsten_W>mtnman, can you paste a dmesg | grep -i firmw again?
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04:35<Torsten_W>mtnman, ls -al /lib/firmware/yamaha
04:35<babilen>mtnman: And that file is in place? Could you paste the output of the "ls -al ..." command we asked you about earlier *and* the output of "dmesg|tail -n 10"
04:35<mtnman>Torsten_W should those *fw files be in /usr/lib/firmware/yamaha instead of /lib/firmware/yamaha, or would that not make a difference?
04:35<babilen>mtnman: no
04:36<mtnman>babilen that was a two part question. are you saying no to both parts?
04:37<babilen>欢迎光临 - this is an english channel though :)
04:37<babilen>mtnman: both (the first entails the second)
04:38<babilen>ds1_dsp.fw is missing
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04:38<liuyi>i know
04:38<mtnman>babilen well afaik, manually installed sofware should go in /usr/lib insrtead of /lib
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04:38<liuyi>i can undestard
04:38<mtnman>babilen no yamaha_ds1_dsp.fw is in there
04:38<Torsten_W>mtnman, why, the names begin with ymaha?
04:38<babilen>mtnman: You should rename the firmware files and remove the leading yamaha_ bit ..
04:38<gsimmons>mtnman: You uh, managed to screw that up somehow.
04:39<mtnman>ok will rename
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04:39<babilen>mtnman: Do the modprobe/dmesg dance afterwards ...
04:39<Torsten_W>mtnman, ant the rights are totaly wron
04:39<gsimmons>mtnman: Rename? Try replace. You have three zero-length files.
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04:40<Torsten_W>and yeah, 0 bytes doe not make any sense
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04:40<mtnman>dunno, all i did was download them from the site Torsten suggested (
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04:41<Torsten_W>mtnman, if i download the files there, i'm getting the right files
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04:41<Torsten_W>mtnman, where you have klicked?
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04:41<mtnman>i will download again. i clicked on the filename
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04:41<Torsten_W>mtnman, klick on "blob" will download the propper file here™
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04:41<mtnman>ok will click on blob
04:42<babilen>mtnman: Unpack them again, become root, place them inside /lib/firmware/yamaha and make sure they have the correct permissions (chmod 644 /lib/firmware/yamaha/*.fw)
04:42<Torsten_W>there is nothing to unpack
04:42<babilen>or don't unpack them if they are not in a tarball
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04:43<Torsten_W>ant the rights of the files should be -rw-r--r-- root root
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04:44<mtnman>for some reason the files are 0 bytes again (but permissions are correct)
04:44<locklace>that's all right then
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04:45<mtnman>locklace what's alright?
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04:46<Torsten_W>mtnman, oh, i was wrong
04:46<Torsten_W>mtnman, klick on raw to get the files
04:46<babilen>where can I download these files?
04:46<Torsten_W>on blob, i'm also geting 0 byte files
04:46<gsimmons>babilen: /msg dpkg linux-firmware
04:47<babilen>git web interface?
04:47<Torsten_W>babilen, yes
04:47<babilen>yeah, that's raw :)
04:48<mtnman>ok the files are in place in /lib/firmware/yamaha with correct permissions and non-zero filesize
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04:49<babilen>mtnman: and the correct names? if yes -> do the modprobe/dmesg dance :)
04:49<mtnman>babilen i will do alsaconf which does the modprobing
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04:49<Torsten_W>forget alsaconf
04:49<Torsten_W>it's depricated
04:49<Torsten_W>and it's gone in squeeze
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04:50<mtnman>ok which modules? snd_ymfpci? any others?
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04:51*mtnman is not running sqeeze
04:53<mtnman>firmware request failded: -2
04:53<babilen>the files are there, correct size, correct names?
04:53<babilen>correct permissions, ...
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04:54<mtnman>hmm they downloaded with the leading yamaha_ again... :|
04:55<babilen>well, rename them (rename s/yamaha_// /lib/firmware/yamaha/*.fw)
04:55<mtnman>in the process of doing so
04:56<mtnman>reloading modules...
04:56<babilen>*bam* - works :)
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04:57<mtnman>ok the card now shows up in /proc/asound/cards!!
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04:57<babilen>hehe :)
04:57<babilen>!congratulate mtnman
04:57<dpkg>Nice one mtnman, you did it!
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04:58<mtnman>sound works... even the application looking for /dev/audio works!
04:58<mtnman>thanks babilen and Torsten
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04:58<Sna>hi all
04:58<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
04:58<babilen>Sna: welcome
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04:58<mtnman>this lack of sound had been bugging me since i upgraded to lenny
04:59<mtnman>i guess the firmware was separated out at that point.
04:59<mtnman>well i am happy to have working sound, but not so happy that it took a binary blob to get there.
04:59<mtnman>such is life...
05:00<babilen>I concur :-\
05:00<Sna>I have deleted the wrong folder, I've got an ext4 and I have no idea how to restore it!
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05:00<babilen>Sna: Well, there is most likely no way to undelete them - backups?
05:00<mtnman>would the firmware still load if it were located in /usr/lib/firmware instead of /lib/firmware?
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05:01<babilen>Sna: I haven't fiddled with ext4 yet, there are *some* tools that work with ext3 but even those only provide a slim chance to undelete files
05:01<babilen>mtnman: no
05:02<babilen>Sna: *might* work
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05:02<Sna>babilen: I was working on it all the morning, and I didn't make a backup yet
05:03<Sna>balilen: what about extundelete?
05:03<babilen>Sna: (essentially says "not possible")
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05:05<babilen>Sna: extundelete claims that it can undelete files on ext4 partitions ... The most important thing for you to do now is to stop using the partition in question *immediately* and create an image of it using dd ... You can then work on the image without running the risk to accidentally overwrite the deleted data ..
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05:05<babilen>Sna: extundelete might just do the trick, but all that is probably a lot of work and not likely to get your files back anyway ..
05:05<mtnman>thanks all. bye for now.
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05:06<babilen>Sna: might be worth a try though
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05:08<babilen>but as I said - boot a live cd, create an image of the filesystem in question and work on a *copy* of that image. Every second you keep on using it you run the risk to overwrite some of the deleted files
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07:51<hermock>Hi I have an issue with the sun java plugin in iceweasel :
07:51<hermock> Le réseau n'est pas accessible
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07:56<babilen>hermock: squeeze?
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07:58<hermock>Hi again ... I found the iddue on debian forum eventually
07:58<hermock>sed -i 's/net.ipv6.bindv6only\ =\ 1/net.ipv6.bindv6only\ =\ 0/' /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf
07:58<hermock>invoke-rc.d procps restart
08:00<hermock>Sorry : Here it is : #560056
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08:02<babilen>hermock: yes, that is probably the reason - hence my "squeeze?" question
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08:05<hermock>Heu.... squeeze is a version right ? I am a bit lost ...
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08:05<BlackFate>hermock: squeeze is the code name of debian testing
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08:08<babilen>hermock: which branch of Debian are you tracking? (stable,testing,sid, ...)
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08:08<babilen>hermock: or what is the output of "cat /etc/debian_version" ?
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08:34<locsmif>Hi all. Why is it that IceWeasel opens OpenOffice each time I try to open something from the download window?
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08:35<locsmif>By the way, "open folder" doesn't work either, it just does nothing.
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08:59<uldics>Hi all! Anyone knows if the new ATI proprietary binary driver supports the latest Xorg 1:7.5+5 on Testing?
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09:00<gsimmons>uldics: According to its changelog, yes.
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09:00<uldics>Yes, as I understand, then it has xorg 7.5 written in it. I know there was some strange numbering, where 7.5 was actually 7.4 or something like that
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09:01<Torsten_W>ther version of xorg is irrelevant
09:01<Torsten_W>important is the version og xserver-xorg-core
09:02<uldics>But one thing gets me uncertain if it will fit my integrated Radeon HD 3200. Before the driver pdf had HD3200 written as supported. Now I only see HD4200 or 3200 without HD.
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09:02<Torsten_W>for this chipset, no fglrx is needed
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09:03<uldics>Not needed??? How do I get full acceleration then? And before the drivers were god for it
09:03<Torsten_W>radeon does the job
09:03<uldics>But radeon has just 2D acceleration
09:04<Torsten_W>with the actual mesa, there is 3d also
09:05<Torsten_W>*actual mesa + actual libdrm
09:05<uldics>But mesa is not so fast, right? And probably lacks some functionality ...
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09:05<chlin>where can i found which vga card does radeon support?
09:05<Torsten_W>man readon
09:05<Torsten_W>man radeon
09:06<chlin>cool. thanks.
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09:08<uldics>so, if I now uninstall my old proprietary fglrx, install the radeon package, will my CompizFusion work and 3D acceleration?
09:09<Torsten_W>test it
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09:10<chlin>uldics: IIRC, radeon seems only support 2D
09:10<centyx>i use radeonhd, not radeon, but I don't know about your chipset
09:10<titan8990>need radeonhd for free ati 3d capable drivers
09:11<chlin>i think you can simply rmmod fglrx and test radeon to see if it works; if not, revert back.
09:11<Torsten_W>radeonhd is dead
09:11<uldics>Thats what I could agre, at least according to all sorts of manuals out there
09:11<Torsten_W>all work is done in radeon
09:11<bremner>please read man radeon before giving advice on radeaon
09:11<Torsten_W>radeonhd has less features than radeon
09:11<icebrain> <- from what I can see, 3D support o HD3200 is not finished
09:11<uldics>lol, wasnt it the other way around?
09:12<Torsten_W>icebrain, this site is outdated
09:12<centyx>bremner: k
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09:13<uldics>I dont wish to test it, cause then I cannot get the old Xorg back
09:13<uldics>I have to be sure
09:13<Torsten_W>you don't need old xorg
09:14<Torsten_W>and if you realy want fglrx, use the package from sid
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09:14<Torsten_W>this release does support xserver 1.7.x
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09:16<peej>do a significant proportion of debian admins use jig?
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09:17<bremner>not as far as I know.
09:18<petemc>id never even heard of it, and looking at the package description dont really understand its purpose
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09:19<bremner>I guess it was pre-aptitude?
09:20<themill>petemc: it replaces apt-get {$a}, aptitude {$b}, apt-cache {$c}, apt-cdrom, dpkg {$e}, with wajig {$a, $b, $c, $d, $e, $f, ...}. So instead of several commands each with a few options, you have one command with approximately Avogadro's number of options.
09:20<peej>dunno. I just heard jig/wajig/jigdo and thought it was something I should know about, but then when I saw the page I wonder if it was actually useful.
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09:20<themill>peej: jigdo is a different thing again. That's for making CDs
09:21<dpkg>methinks jigdo is Jigsaw Download, *the* method for downloading CD/DVD/BD images of Debian. See "Downloading Debian CD images with jigdo" at . See also , and <blu-ray disc>.
09:21<peej>thanks for clarifying
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09:23<gdb>jigdo is incredi-amazingly-awesome.
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09:28<petemc>themill: interesting, thanks
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09:29<themill>petemc: personally, I think the separate commands are more useful, but I can see that people used to yum might perfer wajig.
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09:32<icebrain>hi, oli
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09:37<horseGore>Hi .deb
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09:38<horseGore>wzrdo: HI
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09:38<horseGore>Folks, I need ur help. My `showmounts -a` shows "All mount points on staging:", although my /etc/exports contains "/opt/staging/nfs,sync,no_subtree_check)". What's wrong?
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09:45<SHUT_UP_RSW>someone please tell a story, I'm bored
09:46<themill>SHUT_UP_RSW: this isn't actually a social channel. Perhaps try #moocows or #debian-offtopic
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09:46<SHUT_UP_RSW>oh nice, thanks! I was looking for those channels, thanks
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09:54<muffin>I entered another console with Ctrl+Alt+F2
09:54<muffin>And after I pressed Ctrl+Alt+F1, there is no GUI.
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09:54<muffin>I can see just a login screen.
09:54<Adler>press ctrl-alt-f7
09:54<appr>press Ctrl+Alt+F7
09:54<muffin>What is Ctrl+Alt+F7?
09:54<Adler>just press it, damn it
09:55<muffin>I remember what it is
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09:55<muffin>What does it do?
09:55<muffin>Does it mean there can be many CUI screens but only one GUI?
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09:56<Adler>you could also use F8 for another x session
09:56<muffin>How do I know which console is linked to which X session?
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09:57<titan8990>ps can return the TTY\
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10:16<lancelot_of>hi all
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10:17<lancelot_of>on my testing system if i print test page from cups all works on my printer, but if i launch document printing from acroreader the process only appears as "pending", in cups, but no print happens. Any suggestion?
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10:19<lancelot_of>with epdfwiev alla works
10:19<lancelot_of>all works
10:20<lancelot_of>when i launched from acroreader i saw in cups :"Print error:the printer cannot comunicate with pc"
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10:43<lancelot_of>how to split/merge pdf files?
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10:45<respire>i have a memory card which is a bit rubbish along with a bit rubbish card reader. sometimes it realises the card is writable, othertimes i have to repeatedly unplug it and put it back in until it realises it can write. is there a way to either force the device to be treated as writable or to tell the linux kernel device manager to remove the device and put it again (like a fake real unplug/reconnect)
10:46<themill>lancelot_of: pdftk is the "swiss army knife" for that
10:46<dpkg>pdftk is a nifty package which you can use to edit, merge, split, and otherwise munge PDF files. Ask me about <fill pdf forms> to learn how to fill out a PDF form. The pdfedit package provides a powerful but quirky PDF editor. OpenOffice draw is also able to import PDFs as text/drawing objects which can allow some editing/commenting to be done.
10:46<respire>pdftk reads like ghostscript
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10:47<lancelot_of>themill, what about my previous print problem post?
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10:47<themill>lancelot_of: no idea. I never touch acroread so I can't really tell you much about why it is or isn't working for you.
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10:48<amitz>what doesn't dpkg know?!
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10:53<lancelot_of>!fill pdf forms
10:53<dpkg>pdftk foo.pdf generate_fdf output foo.fdf; sensible-editor foo.fdf; pdftk foo.pdf fill_form foo.fdf output filled_foo.pdf;, or alternatively pdf2ps foo.pdf; flpsed (edit and export to pdf)
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10:59<cr3_>"/usr/sbin/pwmconfig: There are no pwm-capable sensor modules installed"
10:59<cr3_>wat do?
10:59<cr3_>sensors-detect only gives 'coretemp'
10:59<cr3_>i have it loaded
11:00<bja>cr3_: change your hardware
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11:00<cr3_>and install windows? ;p
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11:04<bja>cr3_: man fancontrol
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11:04<cr3_>doesn't work
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11:10<Luffy-X->ns identify 123salamance
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11:11<amphi>123salamance, eh?
11:11<bja>Luffy-X-: change your nickserv pass
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11:12<cr3_>and all passwords in case you use just one for everything :D
11:12<cr3_>do you?
11:13<bja>Luffy-X-: pero hazlo ya antes que esta punta de zatrapas te pirateen la cuenta ;P
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11:35<paseante1>after installing a -dbg package
11:35<paseante1>do I have to tell gdb to look there for symbols?
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11:35<sney>no it will just know
11:36<paseante1>by there I mean there libraries with simbols are installed: /usr/lib/debug/....
11:36<paseante1>sney: are you sure?
11:37<sney>every time I've done it, no additional configuration was necessary
11:37<paseante1>by using the "info shared" command in gdb, a (*) is shown by the library for which I installed the -dbg package (glib)
11:37<paseante1>and (*) means (*): Shared library is missing debugging information
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11:40<paseante1>and if I try to put a breakpoint in a static symbol, it says: Make breakpoint pending on future shared library load? (y or [n])
11:40<Father0fNine>Does Debian have a visio replacement? Does Debian have a visio replacement that also has a version for windows (or different software that can read each other)?
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11:41<paseante1>Father0fNine: there is "dia", maybe more, but none as good as Visio
11:42<Father0fNine>I need to diagram my network (logical and physical) ... share it with my Windows-type admin coworkers ... and I don't want to shell out 600 for each of us.
11:43<Father0fNine>So "as good as" Visio is hopefully "good enough"
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11:44<paseante1>Father0fNine: I knew i was forgotting one: Kivio
11:44<kop>Father0fNine: Dia. Then export as pdf if you want to share with others. Get the version from With that you can get ping alpha channel transparency if you cairo export to ps and use ps2pdf (iirc) to convert to pdf.
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11:45<kop>Father0fNine: (That's if you want true bling in your diagrams.)
11:46<kop>Father0fNine: There are also gobs of shape files (I think that's the terminology), some of which are in separate packages.
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11:46<Father0fNine>Danke. I'm off to see. Looks like there is a Dia for Windows, too...
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12:13<kop>miguel_: hello
12:15<miguel_>Since you are
12:15<bja>!es-social miguel_
12:15<dpkg>miguel_: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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12:19<miguel_>did you are?
12:19<miguel_>pee on carl
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12:19<bja>miguel_: Si estas buscando alguien con quien platicar en #debian-es-cachondeo hay gente
12:20<bja>!tell miguel_ about es-xchat
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12:20<miguel_>pee on carl
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12:20<bja>!tell miguel_ about es-xchat
12:21<bja>miguel_: boton izquierdo del mouse pica en donde esta la línea bja
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12:24<miguel_>pee on carl and pee on maria
12:25<dr|z3d>!lart miguel_
12:25*dpkg chops miguel_ in half with a free AOL CD
12:26<bja>miguel_: Grandisimo hijo de la gran puta o te callas o te largas
12:26<miguel_>y si no me sale de la polla
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12:26<bja>Te la metes por el culo
12:27<miguel_>no me entra delo larga ke la tengo
12:27<paseante1>dejar al abuelo tranquilo!
12:27<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
12:27<bja>!ops miguel_ needs and escort to the exit
12:27<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: bja complains about: miguel_ needs and escort to the exit
12:28<miguel_>so capullo
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12:28<bja>weasel: thx
12:28<sney>I bet he thought he was super clever with that pee on nonsense
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12:29<sney>I probably would have found that funny when I was 11.
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12:31<lancelot_of>is there any wine app to run programs from gui and not through the command 'wine cmd_path'?
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12:32<themill>you can make a .desktop file and menu entry for them that does "wine cmd" for you. Usually the installer will do this automatically when you run it
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12:34<lancelot_of>themill, ok, but i don't use wms that support desktop files, i like "clean" desktops.I hoped there were some gui for wine...however no problem...
12:34<themill>at some stage you have to deal with "I want lots of fancy features" and "I don't like features"...
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12:35<lancelot_of>themill, i fear i cannot understand you..please explain yourself better
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12:40<darrob>lancelot_of: a very "clean" way (if that means minimalist) would be to use dmenu
12:40<lancelot_of>darrob, yes "clean" stays for "minimalist" :)
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12:41<lancelot_of>darrob, what's the purpose/advantage of dmenu?
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12:43<xente>anyone here running squeeze and gksu not remembering root password and knows how to fix it?
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12:44<darrob>lancelot_of: it's a menu. that's basically what you asked for.
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12:45<Lillymon>I'm having a go at installing Freenet, and I've run into a problem very early. First I'm told to run "adduser --system --group freenet" to create a freenet system user, done. Then I'm told to type "su -s "$SHELL" freenet" to switch to the account, where I'm asked for the password. So what the hell is the password? It's not my root password, it's not blank, so what the hell does it want?
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12:46<lancelot_of>ok thanks to all
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12:46<bja>Lillymon: su as root then su as that user
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12:47<Lillymon>OK, that made me laugh. I didn't think I'd ever use 'sudo su'.
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12:48<bja>Lillymon: ;P
12:48<titan8990>Lillymon: sudo -i
12:48<xente>I guess I had to run gconf-editor and go to apps->gksu and turn on sudo-mode but I didn't have to do this before...any ideas?
12:52<Lillymon>Choices, choices. I need to figure out what speed/security tradeoff I want for Freenet. How free do I think the UK is?
12:53<dr|z3d>Lillymon: Forget Freenet, try I2P. Much nicer. :)
12:53<dr|z3d>I2P is Freenet and then some.
12:53<Lillymon>I'll take a look at that later, I can always move on to different stuff if I want.
12:54<dr|z3d>Freenet is a one trick pony; I2P is an extensible platform..
12:54*bja adds dr|z3d to his list of i2p2 evangelizers
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12:55<Lillymon>Yeah, I was thinking evangelization can come later, configuring Freenet is my current priority.
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12:55<dr|z3d>Perhaps go talk to the freenet crew on whatever irc server they reside, then?
12:56<bja>Lillymon: suit yourself, but dr|z3d usually knows what he is talking about specially on that
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12:56<dr|z3d>!beer bja
12:56*dpkg pours a quart of Spaten Optimator for bja
12:56<Lillymon>I'm not ruling I2P out, it's just that I didn't come here to ask whether Freenet or I2P is better.
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12:57<dr|z3d>Lillymon: Perhaps I can make things clearer. We don't support freenet here. :)
12:57<Lillymon>Seriously, if you want me to stay away from something, pushing it when no one asked is a very good way.
12:57<dr|z3d>Do what thou wilt, but in respect of freenet, do it on the correct channel/server.
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12:58<bja>Lillymon: cool, stating facts only. I allready told you suit yourself to do whatever you must and feel like. :D
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13:14<dimhead>anyone know when ubuntu 10.04 will be available to download. I thought today was the release date
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13:14<bja>dimhead: Fail
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13:17<noflash>dimhead, you'd probably want to ask in #ubuntu
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13:17<babilen>dimhead: try #ubuntu on - this is #debian and has nothing to do with Ubuntu
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13:19<gourd_captain>I'm having problems connecting to any wireless networks on Debian. iwconfig seems to be missing even though I have the wireless-tools package, and I can get a working connection with the WinXP dual-boot and the same AP, so it's not the hardware.
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13:20<gourd_captain>I've tried Wicd/NetworkManager, and while both get the wired connection to work, neither can get an IP address.
13:20<babilen>gourd_captain: How do you try to connect to the network? What kind of network is it? You might be interested in
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13:21<gourd_captain>Open Wifi network provided by Wright State (I live in the dorms).
13:22<beer>I am trying to build software, but cmake complains about missing variable called. How can I find the missing package?
13:22<babilen>Are you sure that your wireless adaptor is configured correctly? (firmware et al) It would also make sense to take a look at the logs (wicd.log for wicd and /var/log/daemon.log for wpa_supplicant/network-mangler)
13:22<gourd_captain>For the record, I'm running Crunchbang, which is a Debian-based (as in, uses the same repos, just a different base install) Squeeze distro.
13:22<gourd_captain>No WPA/WEP.
13:22<babilen>gourd_captain: Sorry, no support for Debian-based distributions here
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13:23<gourd_captain>As in, it's just a respin of Debian.
13:23<themill>gourd_captain: we have no idea what they've broken/changed/whatever. You really should talk to them.
13:23<themill>!es-social eL
13:23<dpkg>eL: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
13:23<eL>hay toos deee ingleees
13:23<eL>meee muerooooooooooo
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13:24<gourd_captain>That was... random.
13:24<gourd_captain>2010/04/29 12:59:27 :: err, wlan0: timed out is the error I keep getting.
13:24<themill>gourd_captain: please go to #crunchbang on They can help you better.
13:25<gourd_captain>Yeah, if anyone was there.
13:25<babilen>gourd_captain: Really, either install Debian (preferred) and come back or ask in whatever channel crunchbag uses
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13:26<beer> I am trying to build software, but cmake complains about missing variable called. How can I find the missing package?
13:26<themill>beer: if you pastebin the actual error someone might be able to help
13:27<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
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13:35<beer>themill: here is the hole build output
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13:46<babilen>beer: Looks as if you missing some opengl -dev packages - not sure which you have to install though
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13:47<babilen>beer: it *might* be libgl1-mesa-dev
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13:54<pablum>m( ! )m
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13:57<noflash> /ignore -replies pablum
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14:11<pablum>once upon a time, this channel was super active...
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14:12<bja>Then Debian became bug free
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14:12<pablum>riffing off the fairy tale beginning?
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14:12<BlackFate>well seems like freenode's debian channel is more popular nowadays
14:13<pablum>eh? didn't know about that one.
14:13<dr|z3d>We're active when there are queries to respond to; we don't do idle banter here.
14:13<pablum>but this one's still used by the package maintainers?
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14:16<chealer>pablum: this channel is for Debian support. development uses other channels.
14:17<titan8990>chealer: such as?
14:17<bja>We do get the usual dd that has some trouble with a package they don't mantain. And we tell them to go away to their channel ;P
14:17<titan8990>well, #debian-mentos and #debian-newmaint...
14:18<titan8990>hmm, there must be channels I am missing
14:19<bja>titan8990: /list *debian* and you will see a lot of those here in oftc
14:19<pablum>chealer, useta be the package maintainers did the support. a lot of names on the freenode channel seem familiar, though.
14:19<titan8990>yeah, I found #debian-devel, but I am not sure what else..
14:19<titan8990>#debian-svn maybe
14:20<dpkg>IRC is Internet Relay Chat, the means to provide #debian to its patrons. Official Debian IRC channels: . Please read . Ask me about <irc tutorial> and <faq>. See also <debstats> and <irclog>.
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14:20<chealer>titan8990: see the factoid...
14:21<chealer>pablum: I don't remember maintainers doing the support. some maintainers helped in the past, and still do.
14:21<titan8990>chealer: so the answer is what I just said + #debian-devel
14:22<old>titan8990: Funny typo. ;-) You mean mentors of course.
14:22<pablum>er, you contradicted yourself...
14:22<titan8990>old: yes..
14:23<titan8990>pablum: I see maintainers do some support on the debian-user list
14:23<chealer>titan8990: #debian-devel is the main development. there are specialized development channels such as #debian-svn, #debian-x, #debian-qt-kde, etc. I'm not aware of an exhaustive list.
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14:24<chealer>ops: Please remove "4.0r8 /msg dpkg etch" from topic; etch is no longer supported.
14:24<titan8990>I saw -svn but its not listed as "official"
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14:46<old>My question is probably inappropriate... How do I produce coredump of normally working program? (ulimits already set; [ctrl]+[\] does not work as desired) Send me to hell if I shouldn't have asked that here.
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14:49<H1S1der>hello there. :)
14:50<teste>xchat very cool, I had never used before
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14:50<H1S1der>I am having trouble with my sources.list file generating errors, is there a log file on debian I can look up?
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14:51<H1S1der>This is my first time on xirc, pretty cool.
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14:52<titan8990>H1S1der: pastebin whatever error you are getting
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14:52<old>H1S1der: I would check sources.list instead...
14:53<JKG->Hi, I have debian 5 x64 installed on a remote dedicated server, Multiple times a day it becomes unpingable and has to be HARD rebooted to get it online. I am looking for some help to see which logs I can look at to see the issue at hand
14:53<H1S1der>its-vorseths:/home/vorseths# apt-get update
14:53<H1S1der>Hit lenny Release.gpg
14:53<H1S1der>Hit lenny/updates Release.gpg
14:53<H1S1der>Ign lenny/updates/main Translation-en_US
14:53<H1S1der>Ign lenny/non-free Translation-en_US
14:53-!-H1S1der was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
14:53<titan8990>JKG-: thats something to take up with your hosting provider
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14:54<JKG->titan8990, I even got the hardware replaced but issue still comes they suggest its software so what logs would I look at
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14:54<titan8990>JKG-: /var/log/messages
14:54<pablum>wtf? when did ulimit lose its manpage?
14:54<JKG->titan8990, only there?
14:54<titan8990>pablum: the function ulimit or the command ulimit?
14:54<H1S1der>I got kicked out. hehe
14:54<titan8990>!tell H1S1der about paste
14:54<pablum>well, either
14:55<titan8990>pablum: man bas
14:55<titan8990>err man bash
14:55<H1S1der>Here is the error from aptitude update.
14:55<H1S1der>W: GPG error: lenny-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C
14:55<H1S1der>W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
14:55<pablum>ah, is it an intrinsic?
14:55<titan8990>its a builtin. for the function install manpages-dev
14:55<titan8990>pablum: its in the "BUILTIN" section of bash manpage
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14:56<titan8990>H1S1der: aptitude install debian-backports-keyring... as it says to do on the backports website
14:56<H1S1der>I'll try that titan. thx.
14:56<old>pablum: Never had one I think. It's shell builtin. Look in `man $0`.
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14:57<pablum>nono, I used to pull up a man page for it. Maybe some other shell needed it.
14:57<titan8990>old: there is one for ulimit(3), but that likely not what he wants
14:57<titan8990>pablum: I already told you, manpages-dev for the manpages on C functions
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14:59<H1S1der>ahhh .... I was mistyping debian. aptitude install debian-backports-keyring worked. Thx from this noobie. :)
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15:00<old>titan8990: Well, that's another shell builtin that has a name of a command or function or something else then...
15:00<titan8990>H1S1der: if you install bash-completion, you can actually tab complete the package names
15:01<old>Install and enable. Why is it disabled by default?
15:01<titan8990>old: there is not a non-builtin ulimit... apt-file search *bin/ulimit
15:01<titan8990>old: its only disabled by default in squeeze and later. not sure why
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15:02<titan8990>they just commented out the sections in /etc/profile for squeeze
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15:02<H1S1der>titan. thx I'll look up how to install bash completion on Debian lenny 5.0.4 thx.
15:02<titan8990>H1S1der: np
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15:05<H1S1der>bash completion installed ... logging out. Thanks for the tip. Take care. :)
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15:13<H1S1der>Hello room! :)
15:13<titan8990>welcome back
15:14<H1S1der>Hello titan. Thx for the autocompletion tip. I'm a noob and will probably hang out for a while. hehehe
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15:15<H1S1der>I love debian lenny!
15:15<titan8990>H1S1der: some of us _never_ log out :)
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15:16<k\t>titan8990: but what if you crash?
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15:17<old>H1S1der: Some more tips: autocompletion probably works also in you chat client. Try to hit [tab] to complete user names.
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15:18<titan8990>k\t: haven't crashed in 183 days now
15:18<H1S1der>ahhhhhh.... I see titan8990
15:18<H1S1der>yahh that works nice!
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15:18<titan8990>yes, I was very happy when I first discovered it too
15:19<k\t>i think my peek was about 27 days
15:19<bighornram>I'm getting an error trying to burn dvd's. Brasaro is reporting 200 Mb free space and it fails. Do I have cache waiting to burn I don't know about?
15:19<titan8990>k\t: this is a VPS running lenny. it itself doesn't crash unless my hosting provider has a hardware failure
15:19<k\t>err... wrong pe[ae]k, some people are probably looking at me strange now... =\
15:19<titan8990>which happened once
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15:20<titan8990>k\t: close, the entire SANs. I was down for about 2 hours
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15:21<titan8990>my hosting provider is nice enough to let the customer know about the technical side of their issue. I call them "geek friendly" :)
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15:22<oskar>Hola ¿Estás ahí?
15:22<monzens_>hi, got rt73usb driver loaded, can scan and set SSID, but not connect :(
15:22<marian>hola chipu!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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15:23<oskar>Sorry. Bye
15:23<H1S1der>I have another question if you don't mind. ?
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15:24<titan8990>H1S1der: no need to ask to ask
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15:25<H1S1der>I have virtual box ose 1.6.6 How do I add something to the repository to update it. The site mentions something about a subversion server.
15:25<H1S1der>what is a subversion server?
15:25<marian>he vuelto
15:25<k\t>yes, my depressing work..
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15:26<titan8990>H1S1der: subversion is a version control system.
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15:26<titan8990>!tell H1S1der about subversion
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15:27<titan8990>H1S1der: the repositories are not on your local machine, they are not a remote server that you do not have control over. Is there a package in particular you want a new version of?
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15:29<H1S1der>yes, virtual box ose. The existing one works fine, but the natting is not working. I think it is having problems binding to my HP compaq 6000 pro's e1000e nic.
15:30<titan8990>H1S1der: if you want your VM to be on the LAN just like the host is, you want "bridged" not "nat"
15:31<H1S1der>I'll try that. thx.
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15:31<titan8990>H1S1der: personally, I use the non-ose version of virtualbox. It has some extra features and is packaged for debian by upstream (sun/oracle)
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15:34<H1S1der>titan8990, I uninstall the OSE and get the regular one. Thanks again.
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15:34<JKG->Does it make sense to install 32bit debian onto a machine with 8 gb ram ?
15:35<titan8990>JKG-: do you have apps that need more than 3gb to themselves?
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15:35<JKG->not really but there is one app I am worried about
15:35<centyx>titan8990: no PAE kernel?
15:36<Lanz>Hey guys, quick question.
15:36<Lanz>How does one install the proprietary ATI graphics driver, the Debian way?
15:36<titan8990>centyx: PAE kernel works. it will give you 8gb of usable memory but a single proc is still limited to 3gb(ish)
15:36<titan8990>!fglrx one-liner
15:36<Lanz>!fglrx one-liner
15:37<Lanz>So that didn't work haha
15:37<Lanz>Anyone have the one liner on hand?
15:37<H1S1der>Hehehe. Lanz you messed up your system by taking the ati defaults too! been there.
15:37<titan8990>!tell Lanz about fglrx
15:37<centyx>titan8990: ah, didn't realize that.
15:37<Lanz>I haven't installed a single bit of ATI driver stuff
15:37<titan8990>Lanz: there are instructions on the wiki
15:37<Lanz>I just did a fresh install
15:37<Lanz>Alright I'll hit the wiki and see
15:37<titan8990>JKG-: I currently use 8gb of ram on i386
15:37<Lanz>Unless someone has the one liner ready to copy paste? ;)
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15:37<JKG->titan8990, what about mysql ?
15:38<H1S1der>The ati linux driver gives detailed instruction if you click on the advanced button upon install.
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15:38<H1S1der>to compile for your kernel.
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15:38<titan8990>JKG-: what about it? it works if thats what your asking
15:39<JKG->titan8990, My mysql server does a lot of work is it better off in a 32bit or 64 bit environment ?
15:39<Lanz>That's messy and unnecessary, H1S1der.
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15:40<titan8990>JKG-: if we are talking about a server its probably best to do amd64 if its capable. Most of the issues with amd64 are related to desktop functionality
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15:40<JKG->titan8990, nope no desktop component on here
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15:40<titan8990>JKG-: use amd64
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15:41<H1S1der>OK. :)
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15:42<opticon>for debian 5 what works like partimage but is easier to use?
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15:50<H1S1der>The sun public key won't install.
15:50<H1S1der>its-vorseths:/# apt-key add sun_vbox.asc
15:50<H1S1der>gpg: can't open `sun_vbox.asc': No such file or directory
15:50<H1S1der>Trying to install the key for virtual box.
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15:50<titan8990>H1S1der: you have to be in the same directory that you downloaded that file to
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15:51<H1S1der>ahhh. Thank you. titan8990
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15:52<H1S1der>I downloaded the virtualbox deb file and got the following error upon trying to install it with gdebi.
15:53<H1S1der>Failed to fetch 401 Unauthorized [IP: 80]
15:53<H1S1der>Failed to fetch 401 Unauthorized [IP: 80]
15:53<H1S1der>Failed to fetch 401 Unauthorized [IP: 80]
15:53<H1S1der>Failed to fetch 401 Unauthorized [IP: 80]
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15:54<themill>dpkg: tell H1S1der about paste
15:55<H1S1der>yes, i keep getting kicked out by the flooder bot. hehehe
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15:56<H1S1der>k/t I'm at that site now.
15:57<k\t>ftw, i find it easier using the *.run installer (using the all distributions link from the site)
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15:57<themill>gsimmons: Is "aticonfig --initial" a suitable way of setting up xorg.conf for fglrx these days? And can we have an "fglrx one-liner" back to help those who are stuck in console rather than pointing to the wiki? (I'm guessing we need "fglrx one-liner lenny" and "fglrx one-liner squeeze" for the dkms change)
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15:58<Torsten_W>k\t, the run-installer is a bad idea
15:58<k\t>Torsten_W: enlighten me...
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15:59<Torsten_W>installing software by bypassing tha package-management
15:59<titan8990>H1S1der: thats odd, what about dpkg -i <package>?
15:59<H1S1der>sudo apt-key add sun_vbox.asc
15:59<H1S1der> generates errors
15:59<k\t>hmm, fair, but i would assume it _wouldn't_ overwrite any distribution specific files...
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15:59<H1S1der>I'll try that titan.
15:59<titan8990>H1S1der: forget about the sudo, unless you installed and configured sudo
16:00<titan8990>H1S1der: it must be done as root however
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16:00<H1S1der>its-vorseths:/home/vorseths# dpkg -i <package>
16:00<H1S1der>bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
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16:01<titan8990>H1S1der: when you are give a command with <> you replace whatever is inside of <> with the name of the package
16:01<retrospectacus>you are supposed to put the name of the file not <package>
16:01<H1S1der>hehehehe. ok
16:01<titan8990>H1S1der: things inside of <this> typically means a required option which [this] usually means that its optional
16:01<H1S1der>I have the pound sign. So I believe I at the root
16:01<titan8990>H1S1der: yes
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16:02<k\t>maybe apt-get build-dep virtualbox-ose
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16:03<titan8990>either way, those links should not have returned 401s
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16:05<k\t>themill: and fglrx is working on _your_ xorg 7.5?
16:06<themill>what makes you think I'm using xorg 7.5?
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16:06<H1S1der>its-vorseths:/home/vorseths# dpkg -i <virtualbox-3.1_3.1.6-59338_Debian_lenny_i386.deb >
16:06<H1S1der>bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
16:06<H1S1der>This is the non ose version
16:06<k\t>ok, _your_ xorg 7.4.. but then that's irrelevant because that's the whole reason i downgraded... =\
16:06<themill>dpkg: tell H1S1der about general cli tutorial
16:07<titan8990>H1S1der: remove the <>
16:07<H1S1der>ahhh. thx
16:07<titan8990>H1S1der: those just indicated "place a required option here"
16:07<themill>k\t: I'm running lenny on this machine.... there's a reason that I run stable on all my machines.
16:08<H1S1der>its-vorseths:/home/vorseths# dpkg -i virtualbox-3.1_3.1.6-59338_Debian_lenny_i386.deb
16:08<H1S1der>Selecting previously deselected package virtualbox-3.1.
16:08<H1S1der>(Reading database ... 107772 files and directories currently installed.)
16:08<H1S1der>Unpacking virtualbox-3.1 (from virtualbox-3.1_3.1.6-59338_Debian_lenny_i386.deb) ...
16:08<H1S1der>dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of virtualbox-3.1:
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16:08<dpkg>h1s1der: that's not the complete error. Please pastebin the command you gave and the entire output. Ask me about <pastebin> <bat> <localised errors>.
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16:08<H1S1der> dependency problems prevent configuration of virtualbox-3.1:
16:08<themill>H1S1der: seriously. Stop pasting into the channel. Use a pastebin
16:08<H1S1der>whats a pastebin?
16:09<themill>dpkg: tell H1S1der about paste
16:09<themill>H1S1der: see the message from dpkg.
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16:11<H1S1der>dpkg doesn't tell how to use a so called paste bin.
16:11<dpkg>wish i knew, H1S1der
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16:11<themill>H1S1der: there's a very advanced system of "copy" and "paste" involved...
16:11<titan8990>H1S1der: paste the content into the website, hit submit, paste the url here
16:12<H1S1der>yes, that is "advanced". I wish I could find that URL again.
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16:13<titan8990>H1S1der: dpkg should have pmed you multiple links
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16:14<H1S1der>I hit clear unfortunately. Can dpkg resend?
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16:16<H1S1der>Please take a look at that. It looks like dependency problems.
16:16<old>H1S1der: `apt-get -f install`
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16:20<H1S1der>ohhh .... I had a broken package. Synaptic package manager fixed it. It looks like it pushed through.
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16:23<H1S1der>virtual box 3.1.6 installed and working. Whooohoooo! Thank you for your help.
16:23<H1S1der>Believe it or not this is work related. I have an app that only works on Internet Explorer 6 or 7.
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16:40<JKG->What logs are kernel panics and network driver issues logged to ?
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16:42<titan8990>JKG-: dmesg or /var/log/messages
16:42<titan8990>JKG-: dmesg is only logged to a file on boot, otherwise it must be viewed with the command "dmesg"
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16:42<JKG->or just view /var/log/dmesg ?
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17:42<ukixx>hallo ppl
17:42<ukixx>do any one how fix the pa_stream_writable_size() failed: Connection terminated bug ?
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17:47<teage>How do i know what my ethernet address is? is it the same as my IP address?
17:48<retrospectacus>teage: it's your MAC - ifconfig will tell you
17:48<teage>thank you
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18:15<Lanz>Hey guys
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18:16<Lanz>I can't seem to get direct rendering working on an ATI RV370 (Sapphire X550)
18:16<Lanz>I'm using the radeon driver in the Xorg configuration
18:16<Lanz>I basically followed the guide on the wiki verbatim
18:17<TCW>Lanz, glxinfo|grep direct
18:18<Lanz>Says Yes, but if I grep render, OpenGL is using the Software Rasterizer
18:18<TCW>glxinfo |grep -i vendor
18:19<Lanz>Mesa Project
18:19<TCW>nzpost your Xorg log
18:19<TCW>Lanz, even
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18:23<TCW>Lanz, do you use kms?
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18:24<TCW>Lanz, and... oops: (EE) RADEON(0): [dri] RADEONDRIGetVersion failed because of a version mismatch.
18:24<TCW>Lanz, what kernel do you use?
18:25<Lanz>(official Debian)
18:26<TCW>Lanz, too old I guess... iirc you need 2.6.32-4-686 (it is there but linux-image-686 may not dependon the newest version so you may need to install it manually)
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18:27<Lanz>Ah, okay. Thanks a lot TCW, I'll let you know if it worked :)
18:27<TCW>ii linux-image-2.6.32-4-686 2.6.32-11
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18:29<Avalanche>Hey guys - anyone mind giving me some guidance on my debian (2.6.26-2-amd64) hanging on a reboot right before decompressing linux (and it doesn't always - sometimes goes right through nice and clean). This is the only issue i'm hving on on an otherwise perfect installation; working in perfect order.
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18:59<Karsten_>does anyone know if it is possible to get a widescreen resolution when passing in vga=??? as a boot parameter?
18:59<Karsten_>i.e 1280x800?
19:00<Karsten_>recompiling the freebsd kernel with SC_PIXEL_MODE and then vidcontrol works on ... FreeBSD but is there a solution for Debian Linux?
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19:03<bja>Karsten_: yes, it depends on your video driver
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19:04<bja>right now i am using 1440x900
19:04<Karsten_>I have an intel gfx card but I tend to only use the vesa driver
19:04<bja>and my card supports 1280x768
19:04<Karsten_>ah nice
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19:05<Karsten_>what do you put in your boot parameter?
19:05<bja>it will not work with you, but let me take a look
19:06<bja># defoptions=quiet vga=0x365
19:07<Karsten_>ah ok, how come it will not work for my system?
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19:13<bja>Karsten_: try it, but i think it has something to do with the video driver
19:14<Grueber>anyone use an MSI netbook? can't seem to get sound
19:14<Karsten_>OK, will do. Out of interest, where did you find the 0x365 value?
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19:15<bja>Karsten_: poking the nvidia driver with a stick
19:15<bja>till it spitted all the modes it had
19:15<bja>titan8990: thx, ill bookmark that for future reference
19:16<H1S1der>Good evening you all. Take care and thanks for your help.
19:16<Karsten_>titan8990: Thanks, will come in handy, although it doesnt have widescreen resolutions :(
19:17<titan8990>its possible that uvesafb is not capable of widescreen
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19:17<Karsten_>do I need to use uintelfb? (Yeah, I made that up :p)
19:17<Grueber>anyone know if there's anything special I have to do with snd-hda-intel kernel driver for an ATI audio on this MSI U210 netbook? it's loaded but no sound
19:17<titan8990>Karsten_: but it can also be expressed in this form: video=nvidiafb:mtrr:3,ywrap,1024x768-24@60
19:17<Karsten_>Grueber: Make sure alsamixer says that none of the vols are on mute
19:18<titan8990>Grueber: your user needs to be a member of the audio group
19:18<Grueber>it is and alsamixer shows 870% vol
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19:19<titan8990>Grueber: aplay /usr/share/alsa/speaker-test/sample_map.csv
19:19<titan8990>Grueber: (as root)
19:20<Grueber>ok lemme try that
19:21<Grueber>nope nothing lol
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19:21<Grueber>said it played
19:21<Karsten_>lol, is there an easy way to set vga= using lilo rather than grub?
19:21<Grueber>this is just weird
19:21<gsimmons>themill: (re fglrx) aticonfig seems to work, but I don't know if it knows/cares about dexconf-generated files (ala nvidia-xconfig, BTS #504692). I've restored and amended the fglrx one-liner factoids as requested.
19:22<bja>Karsten_: i ditched lilo long ago and i will not look back
19:22<themill>gsimmons: many thanks for the info.
19:23<Karsten_>Grueber, you may need to change /etc/modprobe.d/sound
19:23<Karsten_>bja: lol
19:23<titan8990>gsimmons: given --initial, it will always throw out the old one. However, it does create a backup like nvidia-xconfig
19:23<titan8990>gsimmons: thanks for adding the factoid back
19:23<Karsten_>Its just that I am currently working on a package management system for slackware, and it uses good 'ol lilo
19:24<titan8990>slackware already has a package manager... it just doesn't manage depends
19:24<themill>gsimmons: looks good. Thanks.
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19:26<Grueber>found this in alsa-base,dunno if it means anything
19:26<Grueber>install snd-hda-intel /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install snd-hda-intel $CMDLINE_OPTS && /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-hda-intel
19:27<Karsten_>titan8990: Thats one of the reasons why I am doing this on slackware, It is so an existing dep checking package manager doesnt get in the way
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19:29<Karsten_>Grueber: try, 'options snd-hda-intel model=msi' in /etc/modprobe.d/sound
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19:29<Karsten_>I had to do that for a dell laptop for sound once
19:30<Karsten_>because different intel hda soundcards have different architectures.. (not by brand obviously :S)
19:30<Grueber>ok, there's no sound file though, should I make it anywyas
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19:30<Karsten_>yes, I had to
19:30<Karsten_>alsaconf generates it for you too I believe
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19:34<Grueber>still nothing, guess I'll try rebooting
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19:35<Karsten_>titan8990: I have done an `ldd` on every bin and lib in every package on the slackware dvd, and put all values to an sqlite database, so now I can do a clever SELECT statement to find recursively all packages that are needed for `hwinfo` for example.
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20:01<jeremybub>Hi, how can I determine the smallest version number of the kernel in the linux-source-2.6.33 kernel (i.e. is it or
20:02<jeremybub>version.Debian says "2.6.33 1~experimental.4" But I'm not sure exactly what that translates to.
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20:12<bja>What was the command for jud to retrieve information about a pci identifier?
20:13<gsimmons>bja: /msg judd help pciid
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20:13<bja>gsimmons: thx, i remember how you use it, i just totally forgot the commands name
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20:36<dmitry>hi all
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20:36<dmitry>guys please help me
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20:36<dmitry>i have a problem with Regnum online game
20:36<dmitry>i've installed it properly on my pc
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20:36<dmitry>and ive been playing 3 days normally
20:37<dmitry>as i understood microsoft have maden new 3dmodels patch
20:37<dmitry>and i see only naked chars in the game
20:37<dmitry>ive tried to put dll files in system32 (wine)
20:37<dmitry>and it doesnt help
20:37<dmitry>please help me to solve the prob
20:38<dmitry>as i understood i need to update direct3d models
20:39<ansgar>dmitry: cares about Windows problems.
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20:40<dmitry>all was ok till today
20:40<dmitry>im running debian lenny stable
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20:40<ansgar>Oh, wine, the Microsoft might not care. But at least I don't know about it either.
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20:41<dmitry>new Direct3D
20:42<dmitry> --- it didnt help me really
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20:42<dmitry>i dont want to install ubuntu on the pc
20:43<dmitry>God help me
20:43<bja>dmitry: have you tried #wine on some network?
20:43<dmitry>wine works perfect
20:43<dmitry>all games works perfect
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20:43<dmitry>i need that module dll
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20:44<dmitry>but no chances with working
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20:52<psych787>On Debian testing, can the sysfs warning messages be suppressed?
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20:53<psych787>They're delaying my boot times by several minutes...
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20:56<dmitry>i understood
20:56<dmitry>i have a problem with shader 2.0
20:56<dmitry>and i have ati video card
20:56<dmitry>before i didnt have any probs with it
20:56<dmitry>how to use open source?
20:56<dmitry>im running debian lenny stable
20:56<dmitry>help please!
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20:58<amitz>dmitry: please be more specific. what problem? how did you identify the problem? which ati card?
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20:59<dmitry>well in regnum online game i can choose shader model 2.0 or fixed pipeline
21:00<dmitry>before i was playing all was perfect
21:00<dmitry>but today the game did a patch
21:00<dmitry>and as i understood i have a problem with 3dmodels
21:00<dmitry>are invisible" in the game
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21:01<dmitry> VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200M]
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21:02<dmitry>i have tried a few minutes ago also putting dll direct9 new models in folder system32 (wine)
21:02<dmitry>and problem wasnt solved
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21:05<dmitry>i duno what to do..
21:05<dmitry>or ill just install a fresh copy of ubuntu
21:05<Agrajag->g'day, i am trying to do a pxe install with current lenny but it is not detecting my ethernet devices. it is the same issue reported/fixed here - it says it will be included in the next stable update, 5.0.5. they say it should be available in stable-proposed-updates - where can i find that? i'm guessing i just need an updated linux for the tftp netboot?
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21:07<amitz>dmitry: #winehq may be fitter for your question. or check the winehq compatibility database, google it.
21:07<amitz>#winehq in freenode network IIRC.
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21:07<dr|z3d>fitter = a better bet :)
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21:08<dmitry>do you know any commands to solve it?
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21:13<jordanm[titan]>!tell Agrajag- about proposed-updates
21:14<jordanm[titan]>Agrajag-: I am not sure how it will work for your PXE install however.. you may need to create a local repository with what is needed for installation so that you can replace the existing package with the fixed one
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21:15<jordanm[titan]>!tell dmitry about ubuntu
21:16<Agrajag->hmm but i think it's the installer kernel that i need to update and there's nothing in so i guess that hasn't been built yet or something
21:17<jordanm[titan]>ah, I didn't notice it was the kernel
21:17<dpkg>For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images.
21:17<jordanm[titan]>Agrajag-: you might be able to try the kmuto kernel if he has it available
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21:20<Agrajag->excellent, it looks like there is a netboot 2.8.28 there that i'll try. tahnks
21:20<Agrajag->err what am i talking about.. i mean 2.6.32
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21:23<badbit|lappy>hello. how would I go about loading a sound card driver without alsaconf?
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21:29<Agrajag->jordanm[titan]: yep that kmuto netboot kernel was just what i needed, box is install now. thanks heaps
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21:40<jordanm[titan]>Agrajag-: np
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22:33<amitz>OOT: Thanks god for the toy story 2, now debian won't run out of name, for now.
22:36<bja>amitz: rest, there is also toy story 3, and when the cast of characters is finished then they can't start naming them after the actors voices
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23:23<burnclouds>I just added "deb stable non-free main" to my sources, I'd like to see all the available packages from this source. Is there a command line (apt-cache?) that i can use?
23:24<bja>using aptitude the interactive way update and then you are all set to browse in the New Packages category
23:25<burnclouds>I want to see the packages from just this one source
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23:30<bja>pick a browser and go to
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23:30<bja> then you can browse with your browser whatever you want
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23:36<burnclouds>If I use a browser all I get is "this page does not exist"
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23:38<burnclouds>The requested URL /linux/deb/ was not found on this server.
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23:55<chealer>burnclouds: then the URL is presumably wrong.
23:56<burnclouds>I've copied the values right from googls docs. and the packages (chrome) exist. I just can't browse using a browser.
23:57<bja>burnclouds: do the expansion manualy i thought you knew about it. Sorry I am busy with other stuff.
23:58<burnclouds>i've done the expansion. I still get the file does not exist
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23:59<bja>then the repo is not working properly
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