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---Logopened Sun May 02 00:00:21 2010
00:01<adb>edbian, maybe a old/ PIII processor ?
00:01<edbian>a cheap celeron d
00:01<edbian>3.8 Ghz
00:01<edbian>cost about $30 I think
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00:01<adb>on my PIII processor thermal_zone is empty too
00:02<edbian>adb, ACPI turned off in the bios?
00:03<adb>maybe that too
00:03<adb> PIII is a desktop
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00:04<adb>on laptop it just work > intel T2250 @ 1.73GHz
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00:15<ghyslaine>hi all, I am struggling to make sound work in my desktop, I came here ealier, and I had no success....I am under Lenny and did run alsaconf, without success, my sound card is supposedly supported
00:16<ghyslaine>however, alsaconf detects 2 cards, I tried with both, no success: what happens is that I only get sound from inside the computer, not through the speakers (yes, they are plugged and turned on!!)
00:16<ghyslaine>the speakers work v well, I tried them on another computer
00:18<adb> they are plugged in which jack ? in audio out / headphone ...
00:19<ghyslaine>in the right jack!
00:19<adb>which one ?
00:20<dpkg>The PC Speaker makes an annoying BEEPing <bell> sound from within your computer (usually a piezoelectric speaker, attached to the motherboard). Blacklist "pcspkr" (PC Speaker beeper driver) to kill it, ask me about <blacklist>. snd-pcsp (PC Speaker sound card driver) is blacklisted by default since alsa-driver 1.0.17.dfsg-4.
00:20<ghyslaine>there are 3 jacks: microphone, headphone and another one, I plugged it in the other one and the colors match
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00:30<Oak>Hey, I just installed debian stable and I restarted my computer. Upon booting, grub got an error: "File not found" and now I'm stuck with a 'grub rescue>' prompt
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00:31<adb>Oak, you installed all last week ..
00:32<Oak>adb: I just started to try debian yesterday.
00:34<Oak>Regardless, a problem is a problem.
00:34<reklipz>Anyone willing to help me figure out an issue related to grub2 and fakeraid?
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00:35<dpkg>[fakeraid] a term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS. For use with Debian systems, it is suggested that you do not set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID instead; ask me about <md>.
00:37<reklipz>Right, the standard response is to use mdraid as opposed to dmraid. A common reason to use dmraid rather than mdraid is when dual booting with win* is required; this is my case.
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00:39<reklipz>I do not have an available disk to use solely for booting. I do, however, have a floppy drive that is never used, and would, as a last resort, consider using it for booting.
00:39<reklipz>I have read success stories with grub2 and fakeraid, however, and would like to pursue that route.
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00:40<rickom>anybody? help please
00:41<reklipz>rickom: ask your question.
00:41<adb>reklipz, i suggest to ask #grub on
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00:41<johnfg>hi guys
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00:41<johnfg>What does this mean? and how can I find out what package refers to this one that I want to install?
00:42<rickom>look i'm new with lenny i was triying to compile a driver and i get: command not found when use "make"
00:42<reklipz>adb: good suggestion. I've been there, and am in the middle of filing a report with them, as suggested. I'm just in a bit of a rush to get this done, so I decided to go abroad.
00:42<rickom>what should i do?
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00:42<reklipz>rickom: that error leads me to believe you don't have the make command, aka, make is not installed on your system.
00:42<reklipz>rickom: try installing the build-essential package.
00:43<rickom>yeap i know that, but the thing is that i don't have the driver of my wireless
00:43<reklipz>rickom: and therefore you can't install the build-essential package?
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00:44<adb>rickom, use wired interface
00:44<rickom>i try this: apt-get intsall make
00:44<reklipz>rickom: or download the package using the machine you are currently using to communicate with us on, and transfer it to the machine in question
00:44<rickom>but that needs internetconnection
00:45<adb>rickom, lspci -nn | grep Wi , or so may help to fix wifi name/driver
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00:45<rickom>ok, thats the thing, where can i find the compiler or the gccc or whatever i need
00:45<rickom>what's the name of the package?
00:46<reklipz>but, build-essential is a metapackage i believe
00:46<reklipz>meaning it's not the real package, but contains information about all of the other packages it "provides"
00:47<reklipz>rickom: you're quickest solution is to hook up the machine via a wired interface, like adb suggested
00:47<adb>rickom, 06:44<adb> rickom, lspci -nn | grep Wi , or so may help to fix wifi name/driver
00:47<rickom>ok,, thats whta i need, know how to do it.. thanks man...
00:47<rickom>how is that?
00:47<reklipz>adb: what does that do that "fixes" the wifi driver?
00:48<adb>maybe newer kernel may support his wifi ..
00:48<rickom>actually it does not, i have a broadcom 4312 and linux just don't see it
00:48<dpkg>Broadcom BCM4312-based wireless LAN devices are supported by the <b43> driver. The BCM4312 low-power PHY (PCI-ID 14e4:4315) is supported as of Linux 2.6.32, install firmware-b43-lpphy-installer (contrib) in Squeeze. Lenny users: for Linux 2.6.32 packages, ask me about <bpo>; see also to provide required firmware. For BCM4312 LP-PHY support in earlier kernels, ask me about <wl>.
00:49<reklipz>rickom: is it a low power 4312?
00:49<dpkg>[wl] Broadcom's <non-free> wireless LAN driver (x86, x86-64 only). Supports BCM4312 LP-PHY (aka "BCM4310 USB", PCI-ID 14e4:4315), BCM4313 (PCI-ID 14e4:4727), BCM4321 and BCM4322 (both 802.11n) chipsets. To install, see . For support of all other Broadcom PCI(-E) chipsets, ask me about <b43>. The BCM4312 LP-PHY is supported by b43 as of Linux 2.6.32, ask me about <bcm4312>.
00:49<reklipz>rickom: if it is a low power 4312 and you have a core2 processor, you may be stuck using Broadcom's wl for a while.
00:50-!-mode/#debian [+l 373] by debhelper
00:50<rickom>nop.., i don't thinks so,... look, i already download the driver n i know how to install it but i dont hace a compiler to doit
00:50<reklipz>rickom: which driver, the hybrid-sta driver?
00:50<rickom>yeap that's rigth
00:50<reklipz>rickom: you'll need to get the compiler on the debian box
00:50<rickom>but im thick of windows beast xD
00:51<rickom>"sick" sorry
00:51<reklipz>rickom: use a wired connection, is that possible?
00:51<rickom>debian box, ok, where is that?
00:51<reklipz>rickom: box is common term for computer
00:51<rickom>wired connection? i dont know what you mean
00:51<reklipz>box, aka, machine
00:51<gsimmons>johnfg: You want the libsasl2-modules-gssapi-mit package. libsasl2-gssapi-mit was a transition package in oldstable, which has since been removed.
00:51<reklipz>rickom: an ethernet cord
00:52<reklipz>rickom: like the one used to connect your modem to your access point or router or desktop computer
00:52<rickom>man... i dont get at all, look i just need a compiler man, i was hoping you could give me a link or something
00:53<dpkg>[wl] Broadcom's <non-free> wireless LAN driver (x86, x86-64 only). Supports BCM4312 LP-PHY (aka "BCM4310 USB", PCI-ID 14e4:4315), BCM4313 (PCI-ID 14e4:4727), BCM4321 and BCM4322 (both 802.11n) chipsets. To install, see . For support of all other Broadcom PCI(-E) chipsets, ask me about <b43>. The BCM4312 LP-PHY is supported by b43 as of Linux 2.6.32, ask me about <bcm4312>.
00:54<reklipz>rickom: you'll need all of the packages it depends on as well, which is why it's easier to simply plug in your computer to the internet and use aptitude or apt or apt-get
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00:54<adb>rickom, you don't need any compile , just install new kernel , see above
00:54<reklipz>adb: that... requires the internet, which is his issue to begin with
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00:54<rickom>i cannot use apt-get
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00:55<rickom>i don't have connection there
00:55<rickom>i already downñload the driver to my network card
00:55<adb>rickom, put the kernel on usbstick man
00:55<rickom>but to intall it i need to compile something firt
00:55<networkn>hi, my clients linux dude just swallowed a shotgun, and they want me to look after it until we find someone else, I need to open a port since I THINK this debian box is providing firewall services, but I don't know how
00:55<reklipz>rickom: There are two options available to you, both have been described. now three options available to you, all 3 have been described.
00:56<reklipz>networkn: that's impressive. Is he in the guinness book of world records?
00:57<rickom>ok reklipz thanks
00:57<networkn>reklipz: it was a sawn off
00:58<reklipz>rickom: You're welcome, but it does you no good if you don't understand any of them. which are you going to try?
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00:59<networkn>what are the tool for admining ipchains? Or how can I tell if ipchains is what he used?
00:59<reklipz>rickom: The simplest is to use a wired interface on the machine so that you can use apt-get to resolve your issue. Is that possible?
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00:59<networkn>Secondly, where is the config for the virtual machines kept?
00:59<reklipz>networkn: what version of debian is on the machine?
00:59<sney>networkn: it'd be iptables unless the box is *really* old
00:59<networkn>ok is there something that easily shows me the config of ipchains?
00:59<rickom>no one man, all that command that you suggest me needs an internet connection and in my laptop i dont have one
01:00<networkn>basically I want to see a list of the ports open on the firewall inbound
01:00<reklipz>rickom: it's not possible to get a wired internet connect to that machine, now or sometime in the future?
01:00<sney>networkn: man iptables; also iptables -L will list everything
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01:01<rickom>ok, how can i do that de command that abd says doesnot work
01:01<rickom>the computer that im using now has win xp not linux
01:01<reklipz>rickom: Your other two options are to update the kernel, and use b43 as your wireless driver (this is the option that is most optimal
01:01<reklipz>), or download all of the packages required to compile the hybrid sta driver manually from the website, and install them one by one on the machine.
01:01<adb>rickom, how you installed debian ?
01:02<networkn>so I have 3 headings and nothing in each heading, do I need more parameters to list the subheadings info>
01:02<reklipz>rickom: do you know what an ethernet cable is?
01:02<rickom>i already use the b43 driver and it does not work! it doesnt work with the b4312 series, i have spending the hole day doing this, that was my first move
01:02<sney>networkn: no, if there's nothing then that's not your firewall
01:02<rickom>yes i know what is that
01:02<reklipz>rickom: do you have one?
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01:03<reklipz>rickom: then hook it up to the computer that you are trying to fix
01:03<rickom>i already do that man, my ethernet card doesnot works either
01:03<reklipz>rickom: and hook the other end up to a switch or device that has access to the internet, like a modem or router
01:03<sney>the b4312 series is supported by the b43 driver in kernels 2.6.32 and later, which you don't have if you're running lenny, but you can get it from
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01:03<johnfg>gsimmons thanks!
01:03<reklipz>rickom: ok, now we're getting some where. What is the brand of the computer you are trying to fix?
01:04<rickom>whtas the brand?
01:04<reklipz>sney: He's insistent on using wl
01:04<ghyslaine>adb: thanks!
01:04<Photon_Wrangler>Rickom: have you configured ect/network/interfaces?
01:04<adb>ghyslaine, yw
01:04<reklipz>rickom: yes, Dell, Hewlet Packard, Compaq, Asus, ...
01:04<reklipz>rickom: I'm using a Dell Vostro 1510
01:05<rickom> , i think the problem with ethernet is in the card not in the debian kernel
01:05<rickom>hp pavilion dv6000
01:05<reklipz>rickom: ok, one second
01:05<rickom>that the machine
01:05<reklipz>rickom: try this command: dhclient
01:05<ghyslaine>I am trying to remove totem-mozilla, because I want to view videos on radio-canada website, the French network in Canada (French version of CBC), the website suggests mplayer plugin instead
01:06<ghyslaine>but apt-get suggests that I should also remove the "gnome" package.....why is that????
01:06<dpkg>Is aptitude or apt-get trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it, the gnome meta-package will be uninstalled and aptitude will try to remove lots more. Fix this by running "aptitude install packagename" or "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage>.
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01:07<rickom>it says somethings about hardware not found
01:08<reklipz>rickom: what does the output of "ipconfig" show you? You will need to run that command as root.
01:08<ghyslaine>dpkg: I had initially installed the xfce version of lenny, but then later on figured out that the computer was powerful enough to handle gnome, so I did "apt-get install gnome"
01:08<dpkg>ghyslaine: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request
01:09<adb>ghyslaine, dpkg is a bot
01:09<simonrvn>ghyslaine: gnome is a meta-package
01:09<reklipz>rickom: Also, paste me the output of lspci -nn
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01:09<simonrvn>!meta package
01:09<JohGro>ghyslaine: You could just deactivate the plugin in the browser settings, and keep the package installed.
01:09<simonrvn>dpkg: listkeys meta
01:09<dpkg>Factoid search of 'meta' by key (15 of 38): #debian meta distro ;; #debian metacity ;; _default metacity ;; _default metalog ;; meta-asking ;; metacity ;; metakit ;; metal god ;; metalab ;; metallica ;; metalog ;; metaquestion ;; metasploit ;; metaspolit ;; timetable.
01:10<reklipz>!metal god
01:10<dpkg>metal god is, like, [vmlinuz]
01:10<ml|>dpkg metapackage
01:10<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get/aptitude command line. The version of a metapackage can be misleading -- look at what it depends on instead (see the kde metapackage for an example).
01:10<dpkg>i guess metallica is a washed up, sell out, bunch of pussies who used to know how to kick people's ass!
01:10*reklipz smiles
01:10<simonrvn>thank you ml|
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01:11<ghyslaine>adb:oH!! I was wondering why the guy could type so freakin fast after my question :)
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01:11<rickom>reklipz thanks man, for your time, but i have to go... see you around, if i fix it i going to let you know :)
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01:13<ghyslaine>simonrvn: that is what I thought and that is why I installed gnome this way, which worked like a charm, I now have a gnome environment with everything I expected to be in
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01:16<ml|>ghyslaine: you should use aptitude, ask dpkg /msg dpkg why aptitude
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01:18<ghyslaine>ml| : I have heard aptitude is superior, what I am wondering is: why does debian keep both and why does synaptic use apt-get (does it?)
01:19<ml|>dpkg apt-get
01:19<dpkg>apt-get is a program (part of the apt package) used as a simple command line tool to libapt. apt-get is the original frontend for <apt> but <aptitude> is now the recommended tool for managing packages. See also <why aptitude>, <reference>, <synaptic>, <apt-cache>, <gdebi>.
01:20<adb>ghyslaine, learn to use only aptitude, in (any) terminal , forget synaptic
01:20<ghyslaine>should I do "aptitude keep-all" before starting to use aptitude ?
01:20<ml|>never used synaptic, so I have no idea how it works
01:21<adb>ghyslaine, man aptitude
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01:22<ghyslaine>ml: I thought I had read somewhere that apt-get users, before switching to aptitude should do that command, to prevent future dependencies problems....
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01:22<adb>ah, no
01:23<ml|>never heard of that, but use just one; like don't go back in forth from one to the other, stick with aptitude
01:23<adb> man aptitude | grep keep-all
01:23<ghyslaine>here is a technical challenge for all of you guys....running videos from the website Here is a list of their shows:
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01:25<ghyslaine>this is the Canadian French network and they constantly get criticism from the Linux community for bad support, however, they claim that they support linux, but I and many others are unable to get their videos working....I would appreciate any suggestions of setup to have to make this work!
01:26<ghyslaine>the mplayer plugin just "gives up" at some point
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01:29<adb>ghyslaine, put here a videos link ..
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01:30<ml|>I tried to play something and nothing did, just saw a swirl; but I don't use any plugins to play video, usually just download and play after
01:31<ml|>^ was flash video I clicked which should play
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01:32<ghyslaine>there is usually an advertisement +/- 20 seconds before the actual video, the ads work fine!
01:32<JohGro>ghyslaine: vlc
01:33<JohGro>ghyslaine: That command works for me. The url is embedded in the link you sent.
01:33<adb>JohGro, HERE too
01:34<ghyslaine>any way to just get it to work normally? without command line? not that I mind myself, but this is also my mom's computer, I don't think she'll bother "commandlining"
01:35<adb>put it in s script
01:35<JohGro>ghyslaine: As vlc did it for me, perhaps a vlc plugin in the browser would do it?
01:36<ghyslaine>JohGro. I tried that (it was on a ubuntu machine though, now I'm on lenny), did not work
01:37<JohGro>ghyslaine: Do you have w32codec or w64codec installed?
01:37<adb>ghyslaine, maybe needs w32codecs and or other ffmpeg etc
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01:38<ghyslaine> aptitude search w32codecs gives :
01:38<ghyslaine>i w32codecs - win32 binary codecs
01:38<JohGro>ghyslaine: Ok, then I have no more suggestions.
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01:39<ghyslaine>the VLC command you suggested gives this : main decoder error: no suitable decoder module for fourcc `wma2'.VLC probably does not support this sound or video format.
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01:39<ghyslaine>and this : main decoder error: no suitable decoder module for fourcc `WMV3'. VLC probably does not support this sound or video format
01:40<adb>ghyslaine, is w32codecs installed ?
01:40<adb>here works extra on lenny + some dmm
01:40<ghyslaine>adb: yes, that is what aptitude tells me
01:41<EmleyMoor>Does cron run "same time" events in any kind of order, or does it try to do them simultaneously?
01:41<adb>dpkg -l w32codecs
01:41<dpkg>No packages found matching w32codecs
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01:49<EmleyMoor>Damn - root password on my laptop is wrong
01:51<sney>!i forgot root's password
01:51<dpkg>For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
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02:03<mansi>hey friends, iwant to setup transparent proxy with squid
02:03<mansi>i have dhcp3 server running on the same lenny system
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02:04<mansi>i dont want to change settings in individual can i do it?
02:04<mansi>i need traffic to go via squid, without keeping any proxy in browser
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02:25<networkn>Ok so I am trying to work out if when I do an ipchains -L and it gives me 3 categories but nothing underneath, if I need another command to drill down per category, or if -L should list everyhting right there
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02:28<michael1982>is debian like ubuntu
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02:39<Oak>I'm using debian lenny and my wireless connections won't show up. Is there a package I can just get from debian squeeze? My wireless works with squeeze's drivers.
02:41<gsimmons>Oak: Is this for your DWA-552 device?
02:41<Oak>Yes, glad to see you remembered :)
02:41<gsimmons>dpkg: tell Oak -about ath9k
02:41<Oak>I must be on everyone's nerves by now?
02:42<Oak>Sorry about it if I am.
02:43<Oak>So I need to update my kernel?
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02:45<gsimmons>Oak: Yes, refer to the procedure for Lenny in the wiki.
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02:53<rickom>alguien habla esañol?
02:54<rickom>necesito ayuda
02:54<rickom>need some help
02:54<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
02:55<EmleyMoor>BTW, my mp3-stick problem can be solved with fatsort, but the one in lenny doesn't work
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02:58<EmleyMoor>The newer one will instal on lenny, though
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03:00<EmleyMoor>Is there a good way to get a count of files and directories within a directory?
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03:03<EmleyMoor>My total of entries seems to be 7526 at present
03:03<EmleyMoor>I could do vith splitting it into a count for files and a count for directories
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03:04<EmleyMoor>with, eves
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03:06<cahoot> offers a script (untested)
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03:14<EmleyMoor>cahoot: I will bear that one in mind if needed - thanks. I have managed to determine that I have capability for around 700 more tracks before I hit the car's filesystem limit
03:15<EmleyMoor>(there are over 350 directories, car can handle 7999 files in up to 1999 directories
03:15<EmleyMoor>(a little over 350)
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03:15<cahoot>EmleyMoor: you can't seriously mean there are more than 500 'songs' worth listening to ;)
03:16<EmleyMoor>For someone with a wide and varied taste like me? <g>
03:18<EmleyMoor>I might split off general vs. Xmas... and if things get tight, split the classical off too
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03:45<EmleyMoor>I have a directory whose first character appears in a shell as a white ? in a black hexagon on point. How do I reference that directory? I am happy to rename it if appropriate
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03:48<will>mv *<PrintableChar> newname
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04:05<tomv>hi. say, I have a KVM guest in lenny which I want to assign ~6G of memory, but the guest seems to only see ~3.5G. This is with a 2.6.30-bpo.1 kernel.
04:05<tomv>is there something obvious that I'm doing wrong?
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04:20<mansi>hey friends, i am using transparent squid, and i want to block https website.....pls help
04:25<Jflesch>mansi: iptables -A INPUT --dport 443 -j DROP ?
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04:25<mansi>I dont want to block all https. just need to block
04:26<Jflesch>well, the problem with https is the 's', which means it's not made to be intercepted
04:26<Jflesch>don't know if squid has some kind of workaround for that or not
04:30<Jflesch>mansi: ; 2.3 : "Finally, as far as transparently proxing HTTPS [...] , you can't do it."
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04:35<mansi>yeah....okay, so it seems impossible to do it :(
04:35<mansi>anyways thanks for helping me
04:35<Jflesch>mansi: if you have control over the local dns, you can try to block * and * I guess
04:35<notmorewindows>hi i need a pack debian for vuze 4.4 or parameters for install with console, thanks
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04:37<notmorewindows>i have worked much in internet for found this pack or parameters but without solutions
04:38<Jflesch>you mean package, right ?
04:38<notmorewindows>yes a package debian for vuze 4.4
04:38<Jflesch>obviously sid has only the 4.3, so have you try downloading the source of vuze 4.4 and compile it ?
04:39<notmorewindows>the 4,3 is good for me
04:39<Jflesch>I assume it's the best you can get until the debian package is updated by its maintainer
04:39<Jflesch>notmorewindows: which version of debian are you using ?
04:39<notmorewindows>i hav the 4.2 and dont work
04:40<Jflesch>notmorewindows: I mean which version of *debian*: stable / testing / unstable ?
04:41<notmorewindows>stable i
04:42<networkn>hi, Ihave a debian box here, and I want to know where the firewall and open ports are configured on it
04:42<Jflesch>hm yeah, lenny has only the 3.1, and there is no backport on, so I assume your only solution is to download the source of vuze 4.4 (or 4.3) and compile it yourself
04:42<Jflesch>networkn: it depends of the firewall you decide to use
04:43<Jflesch>networkn: by default there is none activated if I remember correctly
04:43<notmorewindows>not problem with pack debian 4.3 vuze is too
04:43<Jflesch>notmorewindows: the debian package of vuze 4.3 is for debian unstable
04:44<notmorewindows>is dangerous ?
04:44<networkn>Jflesch: well I am new to linux and the linux guy for this network swalled a gun, so I am trying to work how if this box is even responsible for the firewall and port forwarding
04:44<networkn>I ran an iptables -L and it didn't seem to me based on the output anything was configured
04:46<Jflesch>notmorewindows: well, it's "unstable" ... you better know linux well enough before switching to it
04:46<notmorewindows>my computer dont have secrets all can intro in my computer without problems my only firewall is my router
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04:46<Jflesch>sometimes, in unstable, things ... break ...
04:46<Jflesch>networkn: hm, I see
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04:47<Jflesch>networkn: try "iptables -L -n", if it gives you a bunch of filtering rules, well then you're using iptables
04:47<Jflesch>(it's the most common one as far as I can tell)
04:48<notmorewindows>i only wih windows vista was infected for hackers with linux not yet
04:49<networkn>Jflesch: nothing under there, what other products could we use?
04:49<networkn>could be in use
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04:49<Jflesch>notmorewindows: well, Linux is far less used on desktop computers than Windows, so statisticly, you should be safe for a pretty long time with a Linux system :)
04:50<Jflesch>networkn: hm, I'm not really sure, I've never really bothered trying anything else than iptables :/
04:50<notmorewindows>yes because the kernel linux is very avanced for the creator virus or hackers
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04:51<networkn>ok well, are you able to tell me how I can tell what virtual machines are configured on top of this linux machine?
04:51<Jflesch>notmorewindows: well, it's also mostly a less interresting target, because less people use it
04:51<Jflesch>networkn: virtual machines ? it's a VM host server ?
04:52<notmorewindows>not havent virtual machines installed in my computer
04:52<Jflesch>networkn: anyway, you can have a look at all the services installed by looking in /etc/init.d
04:52<Jflesch>I assume your firewall will appear as one of them
04:53<networkn>Jflesch: I think so
04:53<notmorewindows>i use 4 o.s in my computer
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04:54<networkn>well I have the list here
04:54<networkn>I see squid?
04:54<Jflesch>squid is a http proxy
04:54<networkn>do you want me to paste the list somewhere?
04:55<networkn>pastebin or something?
04:55<Jflesch>you can have an idea of what each one does by using apt-cache search
04:55<Jflesch>nah sorry, I have to go
04:55<Jflesch>good luck
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05:06<mix>that to do me with such problem of airomun - ng enterfese eth1 chipset unkown driver wl, wi-fi map of bcm4312
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05:12<jeka_>that to do me with such problem of airomun - ng
05:12<jeka_>enterfese eth1 chipset unkown driver wl, wi-fi map of
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05:13<jeka_>help me
05:15<jeka_>as will compel that airomun - ng saw a chip
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05:16<cahoot>you are a bit cryptic
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05:17<reklipz>I have resolved the issue I was having earlier with GRUB 2 and fakeraid.
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05:47<cr3>Your current GCC version doesn't match the version your kernel was compiled with.
05:47<cr3>The build modules will probably not load into the running kernel.
05:47<cr3>wat do?
05:48<themill>!wayttd cr3
05:48<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, cr3?
05:48*themill predicts nvidia installer
05:49<cr3>"airdriver-ng compile 5"...
05:50<themill>cr3: kernels in lenny are compiled with gcc-4.1. aptitude install gcc-4.1; CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1 airdriver-ng ... should be sufficient if it's not a very crappy installer
05:52<cr3>0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.; my gcc version is gcc (Debian 4.3.2-1.1) 4.3.2...
05:52<cr3>does that mean i need to downgrade it?
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05:53<xXHACKERXx>soy hacker
05:53<themill>!ubuntu-es xXHACKERXx
05:53<dpkg>xXHACKERXx: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en Ahi recibira mas soporte.
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05:58<JohGro>cr3: Did you try installing the package gcc-4.1?
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05:59<cr3>now i don't know how to locate downloaded files
05:59<cr3>because it says they are corrupted
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05:59<cr3>so i dunno if i should delete them or what
05:59<cr3>to redownload
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06:00<themill>cr3: what does "it says they are corrupted" mean?
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06:02<cr3>i mean in log file
06:03<cr3>it says so
06:03<cr3>themill, ^
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06:04<themill>cr3: nothing there says anything about "corruption". You have gcc-4.1 installed, so now you have to tell this thing to actually use that version of gcc.
06:05<cr3>It is possible that the compressed file(s) have become corrupted.
06:05<cr3>You can use the -tvv option to test integrity of such files.
06:05<cr3>in log
06:05<cr3>if you scroll down
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06:05<themill>what an annoying paste site....
06:06<themill>cr3: I have no idea why you're trying to download the entire kernel source to compile a driver. That's not normally necessary.
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06:07<themill>Isn't aircrack-ng already in debian anyway?
06:07<cr3>yes it is
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06:07<cr3>but it says i need to patch
06:07<cr3>the drivers
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06:08<themill>cr3: then you might be better changing the debian packages because they will have this all sorted out for you. /msg dpkg package recompile
06:09<cr3>this is too complicated
06:09<cr3>i just want to crack wep ;p
06:09<themill>"I want to be a l33t hacker but I can't be bothered doing anything for it". FAIL.
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06:11<dr|z3d>cr3: you'll want to investigate kismet and aircrack.
06:11<cr3>"investigate" ;P
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06:11<dr|z3d>By itself, aircrack won't do much for you; you need to collect IVs first.
06:12<cr3>isn't there, like "wep-cracker" or something
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06:13<cr3>"random-wifi-network-connector" :D
06:13<dr|z3d>Why don't you do the research yourself? We've told you: aircrack and kismet work fine.
06:13<cr3>i'm installing kismet
06:13<dr|z3d>You'll need to set up both server and drone.
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06:18<cr3>do i need whole 50mb kernel sources for compiling 1 driver?
06:18<EmleyMoor>cr3: Not usually, just the headers
06:20<Gathond>technically you only need the subset of files actually referenced within that driver
06:20<Gathond>however unless you are stuck with a 300 bps modem getting the lot of them is probably several orders of magnitude faster than actually finding that subset and getting them one at a time:)
06:21<themill>headers packages exist for a reason
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06:36<EmleyMoor>Is it possible to use the Swedish "a with ring" character in a filename? If so, how?
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06:38<zero_>has anybody tried to run gwibber 2 under squeeze?
06:38<cahoot>EmleyMoor: like LANG=sv_SE.utf-8 touch fåle ?
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06:39<EmleyMoor>cahoot: Problem is, short of copying it from elsewhere I can't type the character
06:40<EmleyMoor>Unless the Compose sequence is an odd one...
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06:41<themill>EmleyMoor: "compose o a" wfm
06:41<EmleyMoor>Why? Coming apart?
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06:41<EmleyMoor>themill: dwfm but sequences for other characters do
06:42<themill>EmleyMoor: the compose sequence can be locale dependent (and input layer dependent too)
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06:44<cr3>can i patch manually?
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06:46<cr3>i've got
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06:46<cr3>what do i do with this?
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06:46<cr3>i have kernel headers installed
06:46<cr3>do i need sources as well?
06:47<EmleyMoor>Those look rather old hat
06:47<azeem>cr3: you'd need the source for the b43 driver at least, which presumably is in the linux-2.6 source package
06:48<cr3>ok i download it maybe it will help...
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06:51<cr3>if i have 64bit kernel
06:52<cr3>do i download 'linux-sources'?
06:53<cr3>there is no linux-sources-amd64 or something
06:54<EmleyMoor>Source is not architecture dependent
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06:54<cr3>i'm not good at architectures
06:54<cr3>or sources
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07:27<wjt>is there an incantation to ask dpkg to give me the shipped version of a configuration file, beyond "upgrading" to the same version of a package and then using the conffile conflict resolution thing?
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07:36<dli>wjt, dpkg --purge and dpkg -i
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07:41<thornomad>does anyone know, off-hand, he name of the gnome package that includes the 'shutdown, sleep, hibernate, etc' commands ? or is that part of gdm ? I installed gnome-core and those commands aren't included but I would like them ... thanks
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07:46<wjt>dli: i want to diff my modifications, not blow them away
07:46*wjt just unpacked the deb from /var/cache/apt/archives :)
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07:55<asahi___>good vevning to everyone
07:56<asahi___>has anyone found out a way to make xine automatically load subtitles
07:56<asahi___>speaking about substreams in .mkv files
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07:56<asahi___>xine -v
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07:56<asahi___>This is xine (X11 gui) - a free video player v0.99.6cvs.
07:56<asahi___>(c) 2000-2007 The xine Team.
08:00<onur>asahi___: why don't you try mplayer? it's working fine with mkv subtitles.
08:00<asahi___>I use mplayer as well;
08:00<asahi___>have bben using mpl for years
08:01<asahi___>but I wanted how to do the trick with xine
08:03<asahi___>I guess noone uses xine
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08:27<kubyz>re =)
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08:36<marizet>добрый день!
08:36<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ or use English here.
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08:45<cptbubba>now start clubbin
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08:46<br0g>hello, I need a help to setup dual uplink (lan)
08:46<br0g>one of my questions - is it better to use 'gateway' or 'post-up ip route add default via' in /etc/network/interfaces
08:49<br0g>I have tried to follow LATR --
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08:49<br0g>- is it correct to add 'ip route add ...' as 'post-up' in /etc/network/interfaces
08:49<br0g>and where/how to setup default gateway?
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08:50<br0g>I can reach pc from external network by both external ip, but if i use ping -I eth1 and ping -I eth0 - only one of them work
08:51<locklace>br0g: look at /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz
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08:51<br0g>they both work only if I put 'gateway ' 2 times in /etc/network/interfaces, but in this case pc became unreacable only by 1 ip of 2
08:51<br0g>thanks, im checking this
08:51<norbert_>timeshi, is there a way to tell how many times a deb pack has been downloaded via apt?
08:52<bja>!pie locklace
08:52*dpkg hits locklace in the face with a cream pie
08:52<norbert_>pie fight!
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09:07<iiv>Why does debian installer (netboot) refuses to use local archive mirror that on netinst iso image?
09:08<dba>did you use debmirror?
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09:09<gsimmons>iiv: Didn't we already go over this? You need network access to a local or remote Debian mirror to download the iso-scan d-i component. Use netinst, hd-media or another installation method for your ppp-udeb requirement.
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09:11<iiv>More explanation: I booted debian installer via PXE and choose ftp archive mirror on another pc in my lan which was created by mounting netinst iso to /home/ftp
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09:14<Lantizia>Hey will debian count the onboard NIC as eth0 or eth1 if you have another NIC installed?
09:14<bremner>is there a gtk based equivalend for kcachegrind? I'm not ideologically opposed to qt, but kcachegrind seems to install most of KDE
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09:14<iiv>As I see on four virt console it loads Release files for different distributions and ends up with WARNING: broken mirror invalid Suite on Codename
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09:21<iiv>I have found it strange that repostiory on CD cannot be used with other installation methods.
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09:27<iiv>On FreeBSD for example it worked quite well. Is there a simple way to create a local mirror includes only packages from netinst iso i.e. which has standard priority?
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09:30<br0g>daily-debian cd didn't have version anywhere on first screen
09:31<br0g>it also have a little bit confusing kernel selection question (2.6-image-..., 2.6.32-3-image...)
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09:39<iiv>May someone has a suggestion. How to install debian having only network access, no internet, no cdrom, no hdd.
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09:58<stevecotton>iiv: what do you have for the first bootstrap? Floppy disk?
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09:59<stevecotton>ah, no hdd either, that's not the question I thought it was
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10:02<iiv>stevecotton: boot over PXE (from netboot.tar.gz), hdd exists but i cannot be used as installation source.
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10:10<thornomad>After periods of use, the File Browser in Gnome stops loading and all my icons disappear from my desktop. I have to restart X in order for everything to work again ... where I can find a log or information about what is crashing/happening?
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10:33<Frenger>I installed Debian yesterday and now if I uninstall something included in Gnome by default, say the games for example, whenever I try to install something via 'sudo aptitude install package' it tries to delete everything else included with Gnome, all the utilities, etc.
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10:36<locklace>!tell Frenger about unmarkauto
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10:42<sepski>trying to find a drop dead simple socks proxy. it needs to let users gain access with username and password and let them pass traffic. and that is all. there are many to choose from. any suggestions ?
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11:37<Recku>hello! :) I think that we communicate Only in english
11:39<donattilio>yeah but ciao-hello-halo in universal... like debian :P
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11:40<Recku>:) I didn't know, sorry
11:41<newsense>how can i check if i am holding packages back, i forget the command
11:41<newsense>i believe it's an apt command
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11:44<grabur>can i ask testing questions here?
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11:45<will>not ask to ask, ask
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11:46<grabur>i have some odd static pops coming through with sound in 'testing', wondered how I could troubleshoot
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11:47<grabur>it sounds a bit like fluff and grime on vinyl
11:47<themill>newsense: dpkg --get-selections |grep hold or aptitude search ~ahold
11:47<newsense>themill: thanks :) just found that actually right when ya said it but thanks
11:48<newsense>themill: packages must be manually taken off hold, nothing will unhold a package on it's own will it ?
11:49<newsense>i swear i was holding back at least three packages due to some conflicts before
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11:49<will>grabur: software? source?
11:50<themill>dpkg: tell newsense about hold
11:50<themill>newsense: some package managers are stupid enough to not understand them or implement them properly
11:51<newsense>i only use apt myself but my holds are gone
11:51<newsense>i might have taken them off hold and forgot though
11:51<themill>"apt" meaning what?
11:52<newsense>aptitude non-interactive
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11:52<newsense>like aptitude install etc...
11:52<themill>Prior to lenny, aptitude and libapt had different databases for "hold" status which caused problems
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11:53<grabur>will: sorry will, i get totally confused with sound on linux. Gnome desktop, browsing in Iceweasal, as the page loads, you can hear a slight interuptions with the sound. Whether that's flash or rhythmbox.
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11:54*newsense wonders if upstart will replace sysv-init in Debian ever
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11:59<grabur>will: restarting alsa, has temporarily suspended the problem. But no doubt it will be back to haunt me.
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12:07<grabur>Another question, where should I start in troubleshooting suspend resume woes? I recently replaced Ubuntu with Debian, and hibernate never worked, but suspend did. Now with Debian Testing, my machine will go into the suspend state, but never wake.
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12:08<grabur>is it just luck of the draw with motherboards?
12:08<cahoot>grabur: see if /var/log/pm-suspend.log gives a clue
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12:11<locklace>grabur: it's a huge pain.
12:11<locklace>grabur: try it without x running, and if that still doesn't work, try it when booting with the init=/bin/bash kernel option
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12:12<locklace>grabur: also state your kernel version and hardware details
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12:25<grabur>Suspend is one of those things that is just brilliant when it works. Same with hibernation. But when it doesn't you want to tear your hair out.
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12:26<grabur>locklace: I will try it without X, later today. That's a good idea.
12:27<grabur>on ubuntu hardy suspend worked but you had to disable compiz - other wise it would white screen...
12:28<locklace>grabur: one thing to try when it's in the failed state is see whether hitting e.g. caps-lock cycles keyboard led, and whether you can switch to a console vt and shutdown/reboot by typing the commands
12:28<locklace>grabur: if those work then it's just a video restore problem, which is usually not too hard to deal with
12:29<grabur>locklace: yes, keyboard works, can't get to a vt. I did get a reboot with ctrl alt del
12:29<valdyn>grummund: pmsuspend has switchable quirks
12:29<grabur>locklace: rather numlock led work
12:29<valdyn>grabur: ^^
12:29<locklace>ok, just a video problem then
12:30<locklace>,kernel --release squeeze
12:30<judd>Available kernel versions are: squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9)
12:30<locklace>your kernel is out of date
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12:39<grabur>locklace: were you saying my kernel was stale? I have amd64
12:40<grabur>locklace: rather 2.6.32-5
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12:42<grabur>locklace: maybe i have a stale sources repo.
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12:42<themill>2.6.32-5 doesn't exist in debian anywhere
12:43<buffoon>hi there! Does anybody know a kvm/xen management solution in debian? something like vmware-server but working nice on debian? FOSS Software preferred of course
12:43<themill>2.6.32-trunk-amd64, that you do have, is an old kernel
12:43<grabur>grabur: My eyes decieve me, in testing
12:44<grabur>themill: talking to myself, I'll sort that out. Thankn.
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12:46<themill>grabur: first sign of madness.... good luck!
12:48<st>what is the most ligthweight videoplayer in debina?
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12:50<amphi>st: probably mplayer with no gui
12:50<amphi>it still needs several libraries to do its grim work
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13:09<hayleyw>i have a chroot, and i need a program in that chroot to launch a program on the main system (not in the chroot). how can i do this?
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13:10<jesus>soembody could help me with a A/D converter in linux ??
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13:12<fatzgenfatz>Hi, my partition-table of /dev/sdb got lost. I had a LUKS-Partition on that disk. Testdisk thinks that the partition is only 8Mb, but it should be about 1G. Is there a way to rebuild the partition-table so that i can read my encrypted data?
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13:16<themill>hayleyw: escaping a chroot is designed to be difficult. You either need to connect back to the host via ssh (say) or have a daemon outside the chroot listening on a socket of waiting for a file to appear to then do something.
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13:20<hayleyw>themill, good idea with the socket. thanks
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13:23<EmleyMoor>I've got an open File Browser that I can't close normally, and if I force it to quit it just comes back. How do I stop itL
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13:47<chak82>hi people
13:48<chak82>anyone makes the vpnc configuration before?
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13:49<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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13:51<chak82>i was configure de vpnc for connect with the cisco vpn gateway in the office. this reaches the gateway and archive the connection, but, after some minutes, the connection drop
13:51<grabur>locklace: Okay now I am totally confused about what kernel I'm running and what's in the repository.
13:51<chak82>i was try with the option --dpd-iddle 0
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13:52<chak82>but doesnt resolves the conflict, can someone help me?
13:52*EmleyMoor has found his å
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13:55<grabur>What is the difference between linux-image-2.6.32-3-platform and linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-platform? and what does the number after the dash represent?
13:56<amphi>the number means the third iteration of this package, I believe
13:56<dr|z3d>Number after dash is minor revision.
13:57<grabur>thanks, the default installed the trunk kernel, which should I run?
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13:57<grabur>or rather the install installed the trunk kernel.
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13:59<Guest71>i installed debian today and after a few problems everything is wokring
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13:59<Guest71>everythin exspect my wifi-card
13:59<Guest71>could someone help me?
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14:01<grabur>Guest71: I'm no expert, but in the install, it suggests you place firmware for wifi, on external medium. I didn't get my wifi up on install, I did it post install.
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14:01<janw>grabur: thanks
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14:02<janw>where can i look up my wifi-card name?
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14:02<grabur>janw: I used lspci to identify my card
14:02<janw>i'm not sure which chip it is
14:02<janw>grabur: is it a command or a tool?
14:03<grabur>janw: command line, $lspci -v
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14:04<grabur>janw: Mine reads: Network controller: RaLink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI, I then googled that and found the needed kernel module
14:04<Oak>Where can I get a copy of the default Lenny sources.list and is it a bad idea to use debian squeeze repositories on lenny?
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14:04<janw>grabur: thanks
14:05<grabur>janw: which install method did you use
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14:08<PhotoJim>is there a support channel for squeeze? I see nothing obvious at
14:09<locklace>you've found it
14:10<PhotoJim>locklace: cool, thanks. no specific problem, but I discovered a little issue migrating an old Debian system (probably woody when it was new) from lenny to squeeze that might be of interest.
14:10<locklace>Oak: if you use squeeze sources, you won't have a lenny system
14:11<Oak>locklace: Is there a way I can get the new kernel through my synpatic otherwise? My card gained support in 2.6.27 and I have 2.6.26 (dwa-552).
14:11<Oak>kernel version*
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14:12<locklace>!tell Oak about bpo
14:13<locklace>except i'd just go to and download the kernel package manually and install it with dpkg -i, rather than adding backports to sources.list
14:13<locklace>,kernel --release lenny-backports
14:13<judd>Available kernel versions are: lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1)
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14:15<famelix>algum anti-virus
14:15<locklace>!slap famelix
14:15*dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across famelix's face
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14:16<sney>I'm not sure whether to !br or to !clamav
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14:18<Oak>locklace: I want 686, right?
14:18<sney>presuming you also have 686 now
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14:19<Oak>hey sney, I took your advice and installed debian testing. I had too many issues with it, so now I'm on stable.
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14:19<grabur>grabur: Discussion about my question:
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14:20<sney>sorry, I spend a lot of time in the -eeepc channel, and the recommendation there is usually to install squeeze on a new model, so sometimes that overlaps with my support tactics here
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14:20<chaos>how do i list what devices are bound together in an lvm?
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14:22<dr|z3d>chaos: gparted, perhaps?
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14:22<locklace>!pie dr|z3d
14:22*dpkg hits locklace in the face with a cream pie
14:23<locklace>chaos: pvs
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14:25<chaos>i have logical volumes but i don't remember when physical drives i've actually put in one and i would like to get a list
14:26<chaos>when -> which
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14:28<locklace>chaos: pvs
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14:29<chaos>pvs says that they aren't physical volumes
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14:30<chaos>it's kinda of a guess work tho
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14:31<locklace>chaos: also see "lvs -o lv_name,devices"
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14:36<psych787>I find that both wicd and NetworkManager fail on my kernel. Why?
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14:36<sney>psych787: 2.6.33? sid?
14:37<psych787>custom kernel
14:37<psych787>I *need* a tickless low frequency kernel for my OQO (among other features).
14:38<sney>did you copy over a stock debian -config and do make oldconfig before you set the options you wanted, or did you start from scratch?
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14:38<psych787>Technically started from scratch, but its always worked before...
14:38<psych787>is there some debian-relevant config I need?
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14:39<psych787>I do know the iwconfig iwlist, and dhclient commands are still working.
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14:39<psych787>Its just the userspace GUI programs that are failing.
14:40-!-mode/#debian [+l 423] by debhelper
14:40<sney>you probably just missed some semi-obscure option that they rely on
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14:40<sney>it's generally more reliable to start with a stock config and disable what you don't need than to do it the other way around
14:40<psych787>Great... is there any way I can fix the userspace without resorting to yet *another* kernel recompile? :(
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14:41<sney>probably not, but do you really need them? if you're savvy enough to build your own kernel, surely /etc/network/interfaces is fine for you as well
14:42<psych787>No, its not. I need speed at connecting when on the go...
14:42<locklace>on another topic, the config for the stock debian squeeze amd64 kernel has tickless and high-res timers enabled anyway
14:42<psych787>And for some things there's no substitute for a good GUI. Bad enough I don't have a working battery icon atm.
14:42<psych787>I'm not using the AMD64 kernel though.
14:43<psych787>Also, I find the kernel crashes often.
14:43<locklace>just the one i happen to have around, it's probably true for others too
14:43<locklace>those features have been around since like 2.6.17
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14:44<psych787>ya, but I didn't think they were enabled...
14:44<psych787>In any case I also want the tick timing at 100hz though...
14:44<locklace>check the config in your /boot for any kernels you have installed
14:44<sney>squeeze is up to 32-3 now, so your crashes might be fixed, but when you experience bad instability in a testing kernel is your first response not "maybe I should file a bug report"?
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14:45<psych787>I just said I had the 2.6.32-2 kernel crash on me. And FYI I can't diagnose the crashes and they don't appear in 2.6.33.
14:45<psych787>Generally I would think it a bad idea to file debian bug reports on something that is clearly already fixed upstream and undiagnosable.
14:46<sney>squeeze is improved through debugging, if you file a report even if you can't pinpoint it yourself it does give the devs somewhere to start looking.
14:46<psych787>WiCd is showing the networks in my terminal
14:46<psych787>but not in GUI
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14:48<psych787>I'm starting to suspect this is just a userspace bug.
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14:50<psych787>Think I might have fixed it now... somehow...
14:51<locklace>!congratulate psych787
14:51<dpkg>Yay psych787, you did it!
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14:51<psych787>Ok, I think I've solved the puzzle.
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14:52<psych787>NetworkManager just fails. Not sure why, but my suspicion is now that its just not taking control of my network cards (and yes I've been through the usual routine to fix that).
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14:52<psych787>The wicd program just takes a while to scan. Long enough to confuse me. :|
14:53<psych787>Worse, it rescans *every time the connect dialog is opened* rather than handling it in a more user-friendly background manner like NetworkManager did.
14:53<adis>i want to take a backup of the mdr . What is the format of image? iso or image? dd if=/dev/sda of=/home/adis/backup.iso count=1 bs=512 or dd if=/dev/sda of=/home/adis/backup.image count=1 bs=512??
14:53<psych787>Since wicd actually uses the real linux wireless tools (perhaps unlike nm), I'm going to stick with it indefinitely provided it can handle my wired connection.
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14:54<locklace>iso means iso9660 cdrom filesystem, dude
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14:54<adis>so the right is image??
14:54<locklace>you can name it .jesus if you want
14:55<janw>so, i found out that i'm using a intel 3945abg
14:55<dpkg>iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless LAN chipsets since Lenny. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. See (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0>. #ipw2100 on
14:55<adis>thanks locklace
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14:58<swordmaster>could someone tell me how to make a dns server on linux with ip updates?
14:58<swordmaster>i have a dinamic ip so i need a dns server
14:58<psych787>swordmaster: That's not a dns server...
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14:59<psych787>swordmaster: You want a dynamic dns updater. That can be accomplished with a variety of scripts and packages.
14:59<psych787>swordmaster: Look in synaptic for dynamic dns.
14:59<swordmaster>what is that?
15:00<psych787>any package manager really
15:00<psych787>synaptic, aptitude, kget, etc
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15:00<swordmaster>so what is aptitude will help me with?
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15:00<psych787>I'm guessing you want a domain name that points to your IP address right?
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15:01<psych787>like points to my desktop machine
15:01<psych787>then look in synaptic or aptitude for packages taht update dynamic dns services
15:01<psych787>you will of course also need to belong to such a service like
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15:02<swordmaster>and if i want to make myself such a service to run on my server?
15:02<psych787>Then you need to install one of the updaters.
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15:02<swordmaster>??? what updaters?
15:02<psych787>you *do* know what aptitude is and what it does, right?
15:02<swordmaster>at least partially
15:03<psych787>Well there's lots of linux software to update dynamic dns services.
15:03<swordmaster>i use it for installing stuff
15:03<psych787>Find your favorite in aptitude, configure it (usually with its /etc file), and let it run...
15:03<swordmaster>favorite what?
15:04<swordmaster>it is configured
15:04<sney>use aptitude search to find a dynamic dns program, he means
15:04<psych787>sney: I've said that like 5 times...
15:05<swordmaster>i didn't thaught of that like that
15:05<sney>sometimes you need to go extra easy to translate, psych787
15:05<swordmaster>but of course i would use it
15:05<swordmaster>oi i'm a beginner
15:05<psych787>if I need to go that easy, I must be talking to an ubuntu or windoze user :P
15:05<swordmaster>need explanations
15:05<swordmaster>oi rude
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15:05<psych787>I'm just joking, notice the ":P"
15:06<swordmaster>i am a windozer but i want more
15:06<sney>psych787: I mean from english to something else. this guy's ip address is in romania
15:06<swordmaster>and windoze is making me crazy
15:06<psych787>Good. That's how many of us got started including me.
15:06<psych787>sney: Oh, good point. Didn't think of that.
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15:07<psych787>sword, you're from romania right?
15:07<swordmaster>don't understand
15:07<psych787>ya, so english is a second language for you, sorry if I was confusing earlier
15:08<janw>dpkg: iwlwifi
15:08<dpkg>iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless LAN chipsets since Lenny. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. See (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0>. #ipw2100 on
15:08<psych787>its easy to forget how multinational the internet is
15:08<swordmaster>not quite
15:08<swordmaster>most english
15:08<swordmaster>everyone knows english it's eazy
15:08<psych787>ya, but not all of it
15:08<swordmaster>so everyone uses it
15:09<psych787>Esperanto is easier actually, and my use of the English language gets a bit technical sometimes.
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15:09<psych787>Or so I've heard about esperanto anyway. Supposedly it takes only 150 hours to learn well.
15:09<psych787>anyway, brb.. gotta test something
15:09<swordmaster>it's good to speak technical english
15:09<janw>how could i add this 'non-free sources'?
15:10<swordmaster>it amazes me
15:10*zigo-_- has been trying to run FreeNX from the Ubuntu PPA team, without much success in both Lenny and Squeeze.
15:10<swordmaster>150 hours
15:10<zigo-_->Pointers anyone?
15:10<janw>google can't teach me ot i'm to stupid
15:10<sney>zigo-_-: trying to install ubuntu packages on debian? eeeesh
15:10<zigo-_->sney: No, backporting...
15:10<swordmaster>thanks for help
15:10<swordmaster>i'll ask for details llater
15:11<zigo-_->It did work ONCE in Lenny, now it seems I have "seahorse" crashing when I connect (segfault).
15:11<locklace>!tell janw about non-free sources
15:11<sney>janw: as root, open /etc/apt/sources.list, find a line that has 'debian main' at the end, and add 'non-free' to the end of that
15:11<sney>or rather lenny main. ergh. just read what dpkg said
15:11<swordmaster>bye for now
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15:12<sney>also, PPA team? I thought PPA was user-submitted packages, I didn't know there was a 'team'
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15:12<janw>sney: there is no such line
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15:13<janw>sney: there are 2 lines with 'lenny main'
15:13<janw>at the end
15:13<sney>janw: I meant lenny main.
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15:14<magiker>hi all. how can i install debian from usn-hdd? installer run, but can't mount cd
15:14<sney>magiker: what errror does it give you?
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15:14<swordmaster>where do i find mirc's conversation's archive?
15:14<magiker>"can't mount cd. try again or cancel"
15:14<swordmaster>never used mirc by now
15:14<magiker>but it isnt cd, it's usb-hdd
15:14<sney>swordmaster: mirc?
15:14<swordmaster>and i need the conversations archive
15:15<sney>magiker: did you copy the debian installer iso to your usb drive?
15:15<swordmaster>where do i find mirc's conversation's archive?
15:15<sney>swordmaster: are you asking about mirc on windows? I have no idea, and that's not supported here
15:16<magiker>sney: yes
15:16<swordmaster>it's not a general thing?
15:16<dpkg>somebody said mirc was, or sucks festering dog balls
15:16<swordmaster>k'mon please be gentfull
15:16<sney>swordmaster: this is a debian channel for debian support.
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15:17<sney>if you're using irc on debian, it's probably xchat, and conversation logs are kept in the .xchatlogs directory in your home directory, but it's not turned on by default
15:17<sney>magiker: did you copy the iso *file* or did you extract it?
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15:19<psych787>g2g, see you people later
15:19<magiker>snay: no ) i "burn" it to hdd
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15:20<sney>magiker: you have to copy the iso file into the usb-hdd. the usb installer turns it into a virtual cdrom drive so it needs to be the ".iso" file.
15:20<swordmaster>foud it =============))))
15:21<swordmaster>thanks for helping:D
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15:22<zigo-_->Hell, it's so easy to setup the nomachine NX server, why is that so painfull with the free version? :(
15:23<sney>did they disregard all standards and just throw it together however they felt like doing, like mozilla?
15:23<magiker>snay: i do it, but debian's installer think that it is cd, and try mount it as cd
15:23<sney>that's what it's supposed to do
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15:23<sney>it pretends that the debian-installer-504-netinst.iso is a cd, mounts it as a cd, and installs from there
15:23<diego>hi there, I'm having a problem... just installed debian on other computer... I dont get anything working and when trying to upgrade I always hit a disable config_sysfs_deprecated problem with udev
15:24<janw>sney: it does not work :(
15:24<janw>sney: i added 'non-free' behind 'main' in the line
15:24<sney>janw: you have to do aptitude update for it to see
15:25<magiker>áëèí... ïî-ðóññêè ãîâîðèò êòî-íèòü?
15:25<diego>any help ?
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15:25<diego>hi there, I'm having a problem... just installed debian on other computer... I dont get anything working and when trying to upgrade I always hit a disable config_sysfs_deprecated problem with udev
15:25<dpkg>Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on
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15:26<diego>ok ... no help :(
15:26<rik_>diego: I think you have to install the newer kernel first, then reboot and update the other packages (including udev)
15:26<janw>sney: thanks
15:26<janw>sney: i forgot :(
15:27<diego>yeah, I have to , but when I try to
15:27<diego>it tries to install udev first
15:27<diego>damn apt wont let me lol
15:27<sney>download the kernel package manually and install it using dpkg -i
15:27<sney>janw: you may also need to add 'contrib' to those lines as well
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15:28<diego>installing new kernel manuallt
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15:28<EdgEy>hello, is there a channel specifically for squeeze help
15:28<sney>you found it, EdgEy
15:28<EdgEy>sney, hehe
15:29<sney>#debian is for lenny and squeeze support
15:29<diego>rebooting and trying again, thx :) seems that makes sense
15:29<EdgEy>ah okay
15:29<diego>new kernel panics
15:29<EdgEy>i am having a problem installing using the alpha1 installer, basically it won't let me repartition
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15:30<exodeus>is there a chan around here for irssi scripting?
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15:30<sney>not on oftc as far as I know, exodeus. try #irssi on freenode
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15:31<adis>if i take an mbr backup with #dd if=/dev/sda of=/path/to/backup.image count=1 bs=512 is possible to restore with #dd if=/path/to/backup.image of=/dev/sda count=1 bs=446??
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15:31<EdgEy_>i'll try again, bloody connection
15:31<EdgEy_>i am having a problem installing using the alpha1 installer, basically it won't let me repartition
15:31<EdgEy_> whenever I try to make an ext3/4 partition for /, it errors out, and in terminal 4 the error message is along the lines of "/dev/sda1 appears to already be in use'
15:31<EdgEy_> i've tried making the partition with gparted livecd and then installing to it, it then just errors out and gives no real reason
15:31<Greed>,version nvidia-kernel-common
15:31<magiker>snay: i use ultra-iso to burn .iso to usb-hdd, this hdd now is bootable with debian installer, like normal cd. i select language, mount disks, and after it installer try mount CD for copy files. And say me that there isnt any CD in my CD_ROM
15:31<Greed>,versions nvidia-kernel-common
15:31<judd>nvidia-kernel-common -- etch/contrib: 20051028+1; lenny/contrib: 20080825+1; sid/contrib: 20100216+3+nmu1; squeeze/contrib: 20100216+3+nmu1
15:31<exodeus>thanks... i'm off
15:31<sney>EdgEy_: weird. are you installing from a cd or usb drive?
15:31<magiker>sorry for bad english :/
15:31<EdgEy_>i haven't tried the weekly/daily ISO's yet since I don't have a lot of cdr's to waste
15:32<exodeus>peace fellow nixers
15:32<sney>magiker: you are doing it wrong. please read the manual and try again.
15:32<diego>wow, everything works worse every time, debian is getting better every day it seems :)
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15:32<sney>diego: welcome to testing, sometimes it has bugs
15:32<EdgEy_>if I could get some sort of irc client installed during the installer I would paste the exact message
15:32<magiker>snay: url pls to manual =)
15:32<sney>!usb install
15:32<dpkg>Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. to create the drive from windows BIOS can't boot from USB? Use
15:32<diego>ahha, Im using debian testing in my old laptop now
15:33<diego>it works really well
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15:33<diego>but its not amd64
15:33<diego>I think amd64 is buggy
15:33<magiker>snay: and tell me pls on what step i do mistake?
15:33<sney>magiker: all of them. start from scratch, follow the manual, don't make anything up and you will do fine
15:33<magiker>dpkg: thnx
15:33<dpkg>any time, magiker
15:34<magiker>snay: thnx too
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15:35<sney>EdgEy_: is it a known good hard drive?
15:35<EdgEy_>sney yes, it has been running fine for years, I had Ubuntu installed on it
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15:35<EdgEy_>that is the main reason I am using testing installer and not just updating after-the-fact, my /home is ext4
15:36<diego>but I need amd64 , have 6GB ram ... thanks guys, I will keep trying to fix debian for a day or two and switch to gentoo if cannot solve :(
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15:37<EdgEy_>I can't seem to find any mention of this problem in relation to squeeze and not older versions or I would just try the daily iso
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15:37<sney>yeah, it's a strange one
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15:38<sney>did you md5sum the installer iso before you burned it?
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15:38<EdgEy>no, I will do it now
15:39<sney>weird installer issues can easily be caused by an incomplete or corrupt download
15:40<EdgEy>nah, md5sum checks out fine, verified the burn also
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15:40<sney>does it error while changing the partition table, or while creating the new filesystem?
15:41<EdgEy>creating the new filesystem
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15:41<EdgEy>i tried mkfs.ext4 /dev/sda1
15:41<EdgEy>that fails
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15:41<EdgEy>and says that it's already in use or something similar
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15:42<EdgEy>when I created the partition myself using a livecd, it couldn't mount the partition, even though I can do that fine using livecd
15:43<sney>try it with a different filesystem, maybe you just found an e2fsprogs bug
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15:43<EdgEy>i tried with xfs, that gives the same error
15:43<sney>ok, scratch that then
15:43<EdgEy>worded differently of course but same idea
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15:45<sney>is lsof included in the installer? if it is, do lsof /dev* and see if there really is something locking the hd device
15:45<EdgEy>lsof isn't included
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15:45<EdgEy>neither is apt-get, i was trying to install an irc client to get on from there
15:46<sney>well yeah, apt wouldn't be
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15:47<sney>do you have a usb thumbdrive or other empty external drive? you can try the usb install method with the other netinst isos, that way you won't waste any cdrs
15:47<EdgEy>yeah I do have a usb thumbdrive, I'll have a look at your link above
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15:53<adis>if i take an mbr backup with #dd if=/dev/sda of=/path/to/backup.image count=1 bs=512 is possible to restore with #dd if=/path/to/backup.image of=/dev/sda count=1 bs=446??
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15:54<sney>adis: maybe but don't do it on a production system
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15:55<adis>sney : so i have partion scheme untouched??
15:56<sney>I'm not going to say, because I don't want you to blame me if you break your system
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15:56<rik_>adis, you can create a dump of the current partition table?
15:57<rik_>so you can restore it later
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16:05<simonrvn>!ops AlVaRiToOo on-join spam
16:05<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: simonrvn complains about: AlVaRiToOo on-join spam
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16:07<simonrvn>no, sorry, my mistake
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16:08<weasel>AlVaRiToOo: stop messaging people who join.
16:08<weasel>AlVaRiToOo: that is considered rude.
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16:14<simonrvn>he's asking why he's banned
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16:16<weasel>swo: he messages people upon joining.
16:16<weasel>simonrvn: he messages people upon joining.
16:16<weasel>simonrvn: and continued to after being told not to.
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16:17<sney>he's one of those little spaniard kids, he has no idea what's happening around him
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16:17<simonrvn>he says he xchat is doing it
16:17<bja>sney: did you use the es-social factoid?
16:17<sney>I wasn't here
16:17<diego>hi there, cannot get X to work on new install ... any help ?
16:18<sney>details, diego
16:18<weasel>simonrvn: that's his fault, not ours
16:18<simonrvn>i'm aware ;)
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16:18<diego>sney: dont have much, Im bootin in single user and startx fails
16:18<diego>try changing xorg.conf
16:18<diego>and deleting (moving) it too
16:19<diego>completely blank screne
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16:20<sney>diego: anything suspicious in /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
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16:21<tm0>Hi debian! i have a problem, i have a windows machine which files can only be done by the user. I cloned the machine, and doesn't like the new user. How can i boot ubuntu and make them all readable?
16:21<diego>let me check, and copy
16:21<locklace>!tell tm0 about ubuntu
16:21<diego>OUTPUT VGA1 using monitor section Configured Monitor
16:22<diego>OUTPUT LVDS1 has not monitor section
16:22<tm0>Sorry locklace, i copy and pasted from Ubuntu IRC
16:22<diego>same for DVI1 as for LVDS1
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16:22<sney>tm0: this is not the ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu
16:23<tm0>Sney as i can see, as i said i copy and pasted from that one...
16:23<sney>tm0: so why would you intentionally go to the wrong channel for help
16:24<tm0>Because i wasn't getting any help, so i thought i'd come here, see if you were any better
16:24<sney>we'd be glad to help if you were using debian.
16:24<locklace>!lose tm0
16:24<dpkg>tm0: You Lose.
16:25<tm0>Sney, i do use Debian. I have a debian server, and many debian live cd's. I usually go to ubuntu irc because they have a larger userbase on irc.
16:25<diego>I have a dv6-1375dx, the video card is Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 4500MHD.
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16:26<User_007>hello. I there a command that turns off my screen?
16:26<matth>$ xset dpms force off
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16:27<User_007>and just by using keyboard it comes back?
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16:27<sney>tm0: but it sounds like you're asking for help with a windows and ubuntu issue... and you probably broke your filesystem encryption
16:27<User_007>matth, ty
16:28<matth>yes indeed
16:28<matth>just tested
16:28<tm0>Sney, i haven't done anything. The user can't access some of his old files, i was wondering if chmod or something else could fix it.
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16:29<sney>tm0: and this is on the windows drive? it's pretty unlikely, since windows's file access locking is done through encryption
16:29<diego>sney: any idea ?
16:30<sney>diego: what about Xorg.0.log?
16:30<tm0>Someone did suggest buying hiren, saying that would work, or chown.
16:30<diego>ok, I will try to copy it over the net
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16:31<sney>chown relies on unix file permissions, which ntfs doesn't use.
16:31<diego>have to download ssh on the other computer
16:32<bja>matth: isn't it xset dpms force standby the one you need?
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16:35<diego>sney: where should I copy you the xorg.conf
16:36<matth>bja: I'm not asking any question
16:36<diego>sorry, the log
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16:37<bja>matth: disregard my mistake, it was the person you were helping, got the nicks mixed up
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16:42<diego>ping, anyone still here?
16:42<sney>diego: sorry, i was reading.
16:42<sney>is that with no xorg.conf?
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16:42<diego>yeah. no xorg.conf
16:43<diego>accidentally deleted it too in the tests :(
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16:43<sney>well, it is supposed to be able to autodetect.
16:44<diego>I actually see the screen go black (not off, but black, so it detects something)
16:44<sney>running X -configure should generate a new one from the autodetected settings
16:44<sney>yeah, it might be trying to use a resolution higher than your monitor/gpu can handle, or something like that
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16:46<diego>:(, running X -configure gives a segfault
16:46<sney>ah yeah, that's the current squeeze xorg, forgot about that
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16:48<diego>so, any recommendation ?
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16:54<sney>diego: here, try this one, it should give you basic gui support at least.
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16:59<diego>sney: copied and rebooting by ssh as computer dies lol
16:59<Allanis>Sorry for the spam
17:00<diego>sney: working better , lets see
17:00<diego>working but resolution sucks
17:00<diego>anyway, its some progress :)
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17:01<Allanis>Since when did Xchat bring up some XTerm window? :S
17:01<bja>Allanis: electric chair on DHL express delivery for you. Please connect to an electrical outlet befor you use it
17:01<diego>sney: still no sound / webcam / wifi ... this is going to be a long day lol ... lets see if I can make a better resolution at least
17:01<Allanis>DHL is the coriour we use at work
17:02<diego>(and thanks for the xorg.conf)
17:02<Allanis>Work for O2
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17:03<bja>diego: is it a fresh install or is it an upgrade to squeeze?
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17:04<diego>I installed from the minimal cd, it installed stable
17:04<diego>then upgraded to testing cause nothing was working
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17:05<diego>bja: the specs of the laptop are dv6-1375dx (just in case you wanna help me :D)
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17:07<bja>diego: I think i'll sit and look at the logs later. I want to see how you solve it. I'll have to do exactly the same thing sometime later this month.
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17:21<diego>the damn grub is adding acpi=off and I dont want that, how can I get grub not add that :( ?
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17:25<magiker>sney: it's me again =) were can i read about network config? there is some trouble with DNS
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17:26<magiker>who can help with network settings?
17:26<cahoot>diego: grub or grub2?
17:26<sney>diego: grub-pc settings live in /etc/default/grub and /etc/grub.d
17:26<sney>cahoot: he's on testing
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17:59<Trollinator>Hi, can somebody explain me why i can't install KDE 4.4.3 on sid? It should be available according to, but even aptitude dist-upgrade doesn't install it.
18:00<Trollinator>oh, never mind, it seems to be available only for amd64...
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18:53<themiddleman>whats the "correct" way to upgrade from lenny to sid?
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18:56<rudi_s>!tell themiddleman about sid
18:57<themiddleman>The real problem is I need firefox/iceweasel 3.6 for web dev
18:57<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
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18:58<rudi_s>themiddleman: Couldn't you just download the official linux package (if such a thing exists, I'm not sure, never used it).
18:58<themiddleman>rudi_s, yesh, thats dirty and doesnt upgrade (or does it?)
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18:59<themiddleman>Ill give it a whirl
18:59<rudi_s>themiddleman: I have no idea. But I think even the version in sid won't update so fast. If there is a new update just install it.
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19:01<themiddleman>well its running and such so I guess I'll stick to this, thanks
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19:59<networkn>Hi, how can I tell what tool was used to add nat rules to a debian linux box?
20:00-!-mode/#debian [+l 390] by debhelper
20:00<networkn>I loaded up webmin, and I can see the rules there, but it says to admin them I would have to click a button for iptables-save
20:00<networkn>so it would seem it wasn't done from there
20:00<networkn>and I concened that doing that will mess up the config
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20:01<networkn>and since I can ONLY access this server remotely, I am wanting to be very careful
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20:11<dpkg>Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See about the removal from Debian. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality.
20:13<bremner>networkn: it could be any number of ways, including a custom script in /etc/init.d
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20:19<diego>Hi, my new gnome looks really ugly ... all the windows and menu's are ugly and not well painted :S
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20:20<diego>first I think Im missing fonts but dont remember which packages to install
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20:44<networkn>bremner, what is the recommended way then?
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20:45<networkn>I inherited this linux box after the admin swallowed a gun, I am relatively new to linux, but I need to open some ports.
20:45<networkn>webmin says it wants to change the config, which makes me nervous, because if the connection drops, it's a hella long way to drive
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21:19<bremner>networkn: I tend to just use a script with iptables command, but if you are new to linux that might not be a good approach for you. Some people like shorewall
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21:20<bremner>networkn: but you need to find out first what firewall software if any is running
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21:27<Scynix>Can someone recommend an FTP server that functions with tls or some other method of securing the connect? Tried proftpd but apparently I would have to rebuild it in order to correct the issue I'm experiencing.
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21:33<ml|>Scynix: I did it once with vsftp, but should work with proftpd also iirc
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21:37<lili>I have ever done that with proftpd...
21:37<Scynix>Well, I got proftpd working, but it had a wierd issue with hanging the system at start up due to being in 32 bit compatibility mode. After researching the issue I found I had to remake it in order to fix the issue, but I've never remade a package on *nix* yet. Or even know where to begin.
21:37<lili>Proftpd is easy to be re-compiled with tls
21:37<lili>I think...
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21:40<Recon224>I'm having trouble forwarding ports on my linux machines. I have two linux laptops both with the same debian/kernel installed but only one works with the ports I want it too. I'm trying to run hlds and the servers show up in my LAN connection in steam but only one shows up in my internet list. What could be the problem here? Also, the server doesnt show up if I don't have DMZ enabled...
21:41<Scynix>lili: Yeah, I read a lot of things saying I wuold need to recompile it, unfortunately I have no experience doing that. I tried to find the src package, but failed miserably at that effort.
21:42<adb>Scynix, /msg dpkg ssb
21:42<sney>Recon224: that sounds more like hlds/router issues than problems with the debian machines
21:43<sney>also, if you have ports 27015 etc forwarded to one machine, then you can't also forward them to another machine, unless the whole setup supports UPnP. Also note whether they're tcp or udp, iirc hlds uses a little of both
21:44<Recon224>sney: I have forwarded the ports on my router for both ip's and have restored my router multiple times so far.
21:44<Recon224>sney: So my problem may be that I have ports 27015-27018 forwarded to both ips?
21:45<Recon224>sney: But they both use different ports
21:45<sney>in any case, if the servers are functioning on the lan, then it's not a debian problem. Try the steam forums.
21:46<Recon224>ok thanks
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21:46<networkn>bremner: seems like iptables
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21:47<networkn>I did a iptables -t -nat -L and it listed the open ports
21:47<networkn>in webmin it said something about /etc/iptables.up.rules or whatever the file is called, but I did a find for it and couldn't find it
21:47<lili>Scnnix,,,I think proftpd or any software is easy to recompie under *nix environment,,all that you need to do is ./configure --prefix=${another_directory}..Any-way ..proftpd is such a tiny software..
21:48<networkn>obviously I looked in the etc folder
21:48<sney>eww, webmin
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21:49<sney>networkn: please tell me the webmin interface isn't visible on the public interface
21:49<bremner>networkn: you could try "grep iptables /etc/init.d/*' as a kind-of hail-mary play
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21:52<networkn>bremner: nothing there
21:53<networkn>no results returned at least
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22:00<bremner>networkn: sorry, I don't see a quick answer to your question. You can of course use iptables on the command line to forward some ports, but it won't persist accross reboots.
22:01<networkn>ok hopefully someone else here will have some ideas
22:03<sney>well, if you want a fairly painless way to manage iptables, there's always shorewall
22:03<sney>it's what I use on my firewall. simple enough config file syntax, extensive manuals, persistent across reboots
22:03<networkn>well unless it's already installed, I am concerned about using something new, I am very new to linux
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22:04<networkn>the guy who previously administered it, must have done something, it surely can't be that hard to work out
22:04<sney>this is the guy with the shotgun, yes? for all you know he was running some kludge script that he kept in a weird place
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22:05<Lillymon>I'm trying to compile Snes9x-GTK from scratch and it's complaining that it can't find 'gtk+-2.0', apparently a non-modified Debian system being too esoteric for its tiny mind. Is the author of this software completely insane?
22:05<sney>Lillymon: no, you just need the -dev packages.
22:05<networkn>well possibly, but still, how many ways in a pared down installation can their be?
22:06<dondelelcaro>networkn: a few hundred
22:07<Lillymon>What the hell is it with non-descriptive error messages? I once recall PulseAudio failed to start and the error was literally "PulseAudio failed to start". I know that!
22:07<bremner>networkn: maybe try something like "dpkg -l | egrep ^ii | grep firewall"
22:07<bremner>nobody laugh at my clumsy commands
22:08<networkn>Ok what does that command do?
22:08<bremner>just looks for installed packages, its harmless. You don't need to be root.
22:09<networkn>bremner: no results
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22:10<Lillymon>Right, it also complained about not being able to find "libglade-2.0", so I installed libglade2-dev. Because saying libglade2-dev would've been too hard.
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22:12<imbrandon>Lillymon: your assuming the configure/compile scripts know you are running debian and that libglad2-dev provides libglade-2.0 library, thats alot of assumptions
22:13<bremner>networkn: I would look at each file in /etc/init.d and see if any of them look firewall-ish.
22:13<imbrandon>Lillymon: thats why we have debian packages for software that bridges this gap, with say a debian/contol file :)
22:14<adb>imbrandon> Lillymon is gone
22:14<Scynix>Out of curiousity when you grab packages for things like development, or to remake something, where does Debian normally stick them?
22:14<networkn>files are which colour (sorry)
22:14<imbrandon>adb: oops, I have join/parts turned off in irssi ;)
22:15<bremner>networkn: I don't use colour for ls, no idea.
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22:15<imbrandon>networkn: probably green ( executable ) but could be any colour
22:16<networkn>ls -l?
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22:17<adb>try ll
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22:19<networkn>nfs-common, mtab, networking
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22:20<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
22:20<networkn>sorry :)
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22:23<Scynix>Does installing the build-essentialy materials make any additional security vunlerabilities to a system? Would you avoid recompiling something ON the system you're exposing to the network?
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22:24<diego>hi, I need help making the sound and video work correctly
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22:28<dpkg>hello, d3co
22:28<networkn>adb: any of those services help?
22:28<networkn>portmap perhaps?
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22:30<diego>hi, any help with sound issues
22:30<adb>networkn, what you trying to do ?
22:30<diego>00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
22:32<diego>ok, got it working, still problems with the video , any help with that
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22:33<networkn>adb: forward another port
22:33<networkn>through the nat
22:34<networkn>if I do a iptables -t -nat -l I see the existing
22:34<adb>networkn, heh, that's not for me
22:34<sney>Scynix: not really, other than that if an attacker gained access to your system, they would be able to compile things
22:35<adb>networkn, man iptables
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22:35<networkn>but people are saying you need to be able to save it so it sticks across restarts and you need a front end for that
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22:36<networkn>the script for the settings must be somewhere, but I can't find it
22:36<sney>lacking a frontend, an iptables system will dump the rules to a text file on shutdown and then load them on start
22:36<networkn>which txt file?
22:36<sney>if the script wasn't called iptables anything, it may be called netfilter something
22:37<sney>oh, an arbitrary one, usually /etc/iptables.rules or something like that
22:37<networkn>so I could edit the text file and make the changes and bingo?
22:37<sney>edit the text file and tell iptables to 'restore' it, yes
22:37<sney>and then make sure it loads the correct one on boot
22:38<networkn>sney: nothing I can see in the etc dir has iptables* or netfilter*
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22:38<sney>on a standard-ish debian system it'd be in /etc/init.d or failing that, mentioned in /etc/rc.local
22:39<networkn>could I search the entire machine for text in a file like "prerouting -d -p tcp"
22:39<networkn>there is a green rc.local
22:39<networkn>file in the etc dir
22:40<networkn>306 bytes
22:40<sney>yeah, it's a single script for executing local commands on boot, it's just a text file, see what's in it
22:40<networkn>sorry how?
22:40<sney>cat works
22:41<networkn>canary? :)
22:41<networkn>just cat and the file name?
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22:41<networkn>just has some comments and a exit 0 at the end
22:41<networkn>so it's not that
22:42<sney>ok, ls /etc/init.d and paste the output to
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22:44<sney>hmm, what version of debian did you say this was?
22:46<networkn>Linux router #2 SMP Fri Dec 19 23:27:53 NZDT 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
22:46<sney>dpkg --version
22:46<dpkg>sney: I give up, what is it?
22:48<sney>networkn: what does cat /etc/debian_version tell you?
22:48<networkn>1 sec phone
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22:51<sney>hmm, etch with a custom kernel
22:52<konradP>General Question: Has anyone gotten compiz working with the open source radeon drivers?
22:52<networkn>oh they are using etch?
22:53<sney>yeah, aka debian 'oldstable'... not really surprising for a system that's been in use for a while, though I'm not sure what's up with that custom kernel
22:53<networkn>I knew this guy, he liked to be l33t
22:54<sney>have you looked in his home directory?
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22:57<networkn>What would I be looking for? I don't even know what his account would have been called
22:57<sney>the text file /etc/passwd has a list of the accounts on the system
22:57<adb>ls /home
22:57<sney>that too
22:58<sney>though if the guy is l33t he may have hid his home directory in /opt or something
22:59<networkn>1 sec phones
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23:07<networkn>do I cat /etc/passwd
23:07<networkn>and ls /home
23:08<networkn>under /home is administrator in blue
23:08<dpkg>Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>.
23:09<networkn>I am not replacing anything with anything right now :)
23:10<networkn>seems like there is an administrator account
23:10<networkn>how do I change it's password?
23:10<adb>why ?
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23:10<networkn>does it matter why ? :-)
23:10<networkn>because I want to :)
23:11<networkn>because it's best practice to change the passwords on a system when you take over
23:11<dpkg>Before asking in here or on the debian-user mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. Ask me about <ig>, <reference>, <refcard>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference)
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23:26<networkn>sorryu about that delay
23:26<networkn>phone is going crazy
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23:26<networkn>right so in terms of opening the ports
23:26<networkn>what's the next plan
23:27<diego>hi, my windows are being draw really ugly... guess its a problem with intel chipset video card
23:27<diego>any way to use vesa or other driver
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23:27<sney>diego: if you're using the xorg.conf I gave you, you're already using the vesa driver, heh
23:28<diego>sney: no, that one fails now
23:28<diego>after upgrading the kernel
23:28<diego>but deleting xorg.conf works perfectly now, only the windows are ugly
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23:28<gpm>diego: define ugly
23:28<diego>I got wifi, webcam, sound and everything else under the new kernel
23:28<gpm>that's a tradeoff
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23:29<diego>the borders of the windows are not rounded ... the windows from installed programs like iceweasel are somehow "ok" but if I download firefox
23:29<diego>and run it from my home folder
23:29<diego>the menus are missing lines
23:29<diego>(bad painted)
23:29<sney>take a screenshot
23:29<gpm>can you post a screenshot
23:29<adb>diego, firefox is not supported here
23:29<gpm>sney: great minds...
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23:30<gpm>adb: he's not complaining about firefox per se
23:30<sney>adb: true, but I'm getting the impression that it's not solely a firefox problem
23:30<amitz>try not to think if it can.
23:30<diego>ok, will upload in a min
23:31<diego>its not just firefox
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23:31<adb>'not just' ..
23:31<gpm>the suspense is killing me
23:32<diego>look the menu, lines are missing, its not well painted
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23:32<diego>and the windows are not nicely rounded as usual in the borders either :(
23:33<sney>gpm: ubuntu user? eh?
23:33<gpm>diego: obviously you've tried restarting firefox?
23:33<diego>of course
23:33<gpm>sney: oh i was more poking fun at how rigidly that policy is enforced by some
23:34<Nemoder>diego: sounds like a gtk theme issue
23:34<gpm>maybe something to do with how it was built?
23:34<diego>you know, if I use iceweasel, the menus look fine, even the windows are not rounded either
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23:34<diego>gtk was installed with the debs from the repo
23:34<amitz>or window manager setting.
23:34<diego>but, now that you mention gtk
23:34<gpm>more likely
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23:35<diego>iceweasel was running fine , when trying to run firefox I got a gtk error
23:35<diego>and I solved it
23:35<diego>downloading the ia32 gtk libs
23:35<diego>which iceweasel does not seem to use apparently
23:35<diego>because Im using a debian amd64
23:35<Nemoder>if you have 64bit system then iceweasel runs 64bit native
23:35<diego>but there seems to be no native 64 bit firefox
23:35<gpm>he's running 32-bit firefox in 64-bit debian?
23:36<diego>I cannot find 64bit firefox ? there is one ?
23:36<Nemoder>diego: mozilla does not provide one, you could build it yourself however
23:36<Nemoder>but why not just use iceweasel?
23:36<gpm>use the source
23:36<gpm>better idea
23:36<diego>yeah, but there are so many ia32 programs, its not just firefox
23:36<diego>it would be nice if they work nicely
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23:37<gpm>and they all exhibit this behavior? which ones?
23:37<diego>plus the rounded border fail for every windows hehe
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23:37<gpm>that is kind of bizarre
23:37<sney>what rounded border do you mean anyway
23:38<gpm>the wm theme, i gather
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23:39<Alkx4444>hey people! (and robots)
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23:39<diego>how do I change the theme?
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23:40<amitz>sney: IIRC, the corners of some window are like a quarter circle (rounded) instead of a 90 degree intersection.
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23:40<Alkx4444>for an operating system that is so alive, this irc channel is so dead.
23:40<sney>hi Alkx4444
23:40<Alkx4444>hey sney!
23:40<sney>it goes up and down. sometimes it's a zoo in here. sunday night - not so much.
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23:41<Alkx4444>weird, eh well
23:41<Alkx4444>I'm new to irc.
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23:41<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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23:41<adb>Alkx4444, ^^
23:41<sney>Guest104: typo your password again?
23:41<diego>ohh, wait ... it tells me somewhere that things can look ugly cause window manager clearlooks is not installed
23:41<diego>whats that?
23:42<Alkx4444>wow, everyone here keeps pinging out at 480 seconds, how come?
23:42<sney>I guess that's the timeout length for oftc?
23:42<sney>not everyone has a great connection.
23:43<Alkx4444>hehe I have one of the worst connections, it's not even in-line, *I'm worried*
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23:44<Alkx4444>wow, sebash now.
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23:44<bja>sney: nop, was doing something completely different ;P
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23:45<Alkx4444>how come some kde apps completely fu*k up ubuntu and won't let it start the desktop or command line.
23:46<sney>Alkx4444: you're on ubuntu?
23:46<Alkx4444>yes of course.
23:46<sney>this is not the ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu
23:47<Alkx4444>well I joined ubuntu, but it take me here.
23:47<sney>you mean, you started xchat and clicked the first thing you saw. don't worry, it happens every day.
23:47<sney>are you on that new one?
23:48<Alkx4444>no, I purposely chose 'ubuntu' channel.
23:48<sney>well then that's a problem, are you on the new ubuntu release? 10 or whatever?
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23:51<diego>it was the theme :)
23:51<bja>It is a fact, ubuntu has released a new version ;P
23:51<sney>if only they were all that easy, eh diego
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23:52<sney>bja: I'm hopin he was just mistaken, but I just downloaded ubuntu's newest xchat-common to check
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23:55<Nemoder>nice, even a mostly idle irc lurker can be right once a day heh :)
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