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---Logopened Thu May 06 00:00:15 2010
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00:00<ml|>that's wierd it should work after symlinking, try a logout/login
00:00<ml|>judd: versions kde4
00:00<judd>Sorry, no package named 'kde4' was found.
00:01<amitz>there is a already a version of google-chrome in debian repo? Let me check.
00:01<ml|>don't think so, from google repos yes
00:02<Dreakon>yeah, google repo's
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00:04<Dreakon>stupid java! it pretends like its going to load, then errors out lol
00:05<Dreakon>this is what I get, if its any help
00:05<amitz>I thought so too. The last conversation seemed to imply otherwise. I misunderstood.
00:05<Dreakon>when i try and load this
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00:07<amitz>Dreakon: that may be a different error from inability to connect, see bugs about . I'm guessing here.
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00:08<amitz>fixed in openjdk6 but not sure in sun-java6.
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00:10<amitz>connection error as indicated by your pastebin.
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00:12<Dreakon>think that quick fix would help me?
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00:14<Dreakon>hey, look at that
00:14<Dreakon>the applets are working now
00:14<ml|>dpkg java ipv6
00:14<dpkg>As of netbase 4.38, net.ipv6.bindv6only=1 is set, see . This currently breaks networking in Java for sun-java6-jdk (openjdk-6 is fixed as of version 6b18~pre1-3), see for solutions. In short, sed -i 's/net.ipv6.bindv6only = 1/net.ipv6.bindv6only = 0/' /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf ; invoke-rc.d procps restart.
00:14<simonrvn>chrome no, chromium just got into experimental today
00:15<simonrvn>the former is based on the latter
00:15<ml|>simonrvn: thanks for the info; that's good news
00:16<simonrvn>thank jordanm, he told me earlier (or yesterday)
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02:03<Scynix>What version of debian is best for just.. learning debian itself? squeeze?
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02:08<the-dude>Scynix: start with lenny
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02:17<mansi>hello friends, i need to configre postfix to fetch mail from another mailserver ....
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02:17<mansi>i dont have static ip in office
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02:17<mansi>i need local mail to be sent locally and remote mails relayed through external mailserver
02:18<mansi>so, which software i should use to fetch mails from remote mailserver
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02:29<kop>mansi: postfix does not fetch. You need fetchmail or mpop, probably.
02:30<Scynix>the-dude: I've actually been using lenny on my server, but I want one I can play around with that I can throw on my laptop. From what I'm reading lenny isn't up to date enough to even detect things like my onboard wireless, so I'm wondering if squeeze would be the better option
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02:30<mansi>kop: ok gr8. i have already installed postfix and dovecot on debian lenny.
02:30<mansi>so need i remove dovecot?
02:30<kop>Scynix: You can use to get a newer kernel/drivers if that's the problem.
02:30<kop>mansi: No. But you may not need it.
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02:32<mansi>kop: so i think i can install fetchmail without removing dovecot. isnt it? thanks
02:34<mansi>can I use blackberry to connect to fetchmail?
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02:39<kop>mansi: Probably not. You might possibly be able to use dovecot. I know nothing about blackberrys.
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02:40<mansi>kop:okay thanks a lot
02:40<Scynix>I don't know anything about the subject specifically, but would the device even matter? aren't the protocols a standard anyways?
02:40<mansi>kop: let me try fetchmail now
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02:57<the-dude>Scynix: Why not try lenny and see if it works
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03:00<justin_>i am having problem in connecting my broadcom BRCM 4312
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03:02<mansi>hey can i cconfigure fetchmail to send mail to postfix for local delivery
03:02<mansi>i need to fetch mail from remote server and send it to smtp port 25 where postfix is listening
03:05<gpm_>hm, why not just forward mail directly to the server?
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03:06<mansi>gpm: i do not have static ip. and my isp is blocking 25
03:06<mansi>i have server from hosting provider
03:07<mansi>i need to send local mails localy, and receive mail through remote server, since i can not receive directly
03:07<Scynix>you're trying to host a mail server on a dynamic ip?
03:08<Scynix>I worded that poorly. I mean, is that what you're trying to do?
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03:08<mansi>scynix: yeah exactly
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03:08<mansi>this small company and static ip is too expensive
03:08<mansi>yah, dyndns
03:09<mansi>but i have hosted in remote server
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03:09<mansi>i do not want big attachments to go out, because of bandwidth limitation
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03:09<mansi>so hsoted local mailserver
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03:39<peej>I want to suspend the display on a remote machine. xset dpms force suspend will do it if I'm sitting in front of the remote machine. How do it do it when I'm remotely logged in?
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03:55<Elessar>What do you think of that:
03:56<Elessar>/tmp/symtest/here/dir -> /tmp/symtest/there/dir/
03:56<Elessar>cd /tmp/symtest/here/dir/..
03:57<Elessar>Seems like bash is using a custom path resolver that does not follow symlinks before resolving the .. .
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03:57<Elessar>Which is different than the kernel's path resolver.
03:57<schlurchz>Elessar: type "help cd"
03:58<schlurchz>Elessar: cd -P should do what you expect, I think
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04:01<Elessar>Thank you schlurchz.
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04:09<ml|>peej: should work just the same
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04:28<data>i have install xplico
04:28<data>but the installation is bad
04:29<data>and when i go to synaptic packeger manager
04:29<peej>ml|, with ssh -X (into the remote) it blanks the display of the (local) machine I'm sitting at.
04:29<data>show this windows
04:29<data>E: The package xplico needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
04:29<data>E: Internal error opening cache (1). Please repor
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04:30<ml|>peej: ah, I don't use ssh -X; works fine with ssh
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04:33<peej>ml|, with that I get a xset: unable to open display ""
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04:34<peej>I think I'll need to see how xset -display works
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04:35<locklace>the same as export DISPLAY=... ; xset works
04:36<ml|>peej: ok, this what I do; just ssh in and run a small script I have and also just tested with xset dpms force off and both work fine here
04:36<data>Package is in a very bad inconsistent state
04:37<data>and now?
04:37<data>i can't enter in synaptic packeg manager
04:37<locklace>data: what does "uname -a" say
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04:38<data>Linux bt #1 SMP Tue Dec 1 21:51:08 EST 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
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04:38<locklace>not debian
04:38<data>is a similar
04:39<locklace>close only counts in horseshoes and nuclear war
04:39<ml|>dpkg: bod
04:39<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is off-topic on #debian.
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04:42<snogglethorpe>wait, so what's the clue it's not debian?
04:42<snogglethorpe>i mean from that uname output
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04:43<locklace>that it's not a debian release kernel combined with the fact that he's obviously too clueless to be able to build his own
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04:49<jatin>hello im a newbie !!! Could anyone suggest me some links for getting command over backtrack 4 ........
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04:49<dpkg>BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. #backtrack-linux on See also <based on debian>.
04:50<jatin>thanks a lot dear
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04:50<darsie>Hi! Is alien the preferred app to install rpms?
04:50<dpkg>RPM is both the RPM Package Manager and the file format for its packages. alien can convert a .rpm package to a .deb. converts to a <cpio> archive via the rpm2cpio command (in the rpm Debian package). Note that alien doesn't do a very good job of converting the package, you should use a proper Debian package in preference to alien. Also ask me about <stow>, <checkinstall>.
04:51<peej>locklace, with no -X for ssh I get no display variable. With no -X for ssh I try: export DISPLAY="dexter:0.0" and xset -display 0.0 dpms force on and get xset: unable to open display "0.0" I'm obviously confused about something. Clues?
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04:51<zumbi>darsie: alien just created rpm from deb packages, to install them, iirc, there was a rpm tool, but on debian best use dpkg
04:52<locklace>0.0 is not valid x display syntax
04:52<darsie>deb from rpm you mean
04:52<jatin>i cannot connect my wifi i.e. Broadcom BRCM 4312 with my hP Mini,I have BT4 Final
04:53<themill>darsie: the fidelity of the conversion isn't always good. YMMV
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04:54<Gromitt>Does ist make sense to create in a chroot a swapfile to extend my swap? (using schroot) in squeeze AMD64 running lenny IA32
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04:56<zumbi>darsie: deb from rpm and the other way arround
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04:58<jmm>Gromitt: it may be usefull, but that swap will be slower than usual swap( which is already quite slow ).
04:58<jmm>so it depend on what you need.
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05:00<Gromitt>jmm: ok, I assumed that. I will give it a try. I need more free memory quick and dirty. ;-)
05:00<jmm>way to go :)
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05:08<darsie>Does im make sense to install an amd64 *.deb on a 32 bit system?
05:08<darsie>dpkg refuses to do it.
05:08<dpkg>darsie: are you smoking crack?
05:10<Gromitt>jmm: think so. :)
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05:11<zumbi>darsie: there are emulation libraries, see ia32-libs, to be able to run 32 bit apps on 64 bit kernels, but not the other way arround.
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05:12<themill>If you're running an -amd64 kernel, then you can use an amd64 chroot on the i386 installation machine
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05:32<notworkn>I am trying to connect from a windows 2008 server to a debian server via \\servername\sharename
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05:33<notworkn>unfortunately that is giving me an error about insufficient resources to complete the requested service
05:33<notworkn>anyone able to indicate why?
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05:36<darsie>notworkn: Do you use samba?
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05:37<notworkn>darsie: haven't got that far, got roped into helping with a clients linux boxes even though I don't know linux
05:37<notworkn>how can I tell?
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05:39<darsie>notworkn: I really recommend some linux practice for this job.
05:39<darsie>notworkn: Is it debian linux on the server?
05:39<notworkn>I know, believe me. It's just a temporary role for me until I find someone else
05:39<notworkn>the prior guy killed himself
05:39<notworkn>yup debian
05:40<darsie>hope you don't do that, too :)
05:40<notworkn>darsie: not really, it wasn't an accident
05:40<notworkn>and rest assured, I won't be killing myself :0
05:40<notworkn>Though to be fair I have personally know about 5 linux admins who have topped themselves in the last 10 yeats
05:40<darsie>I'm actually a samba lamer, so if someone is any better, please take over ...
05:41<darsie>you could try: dpkg -l 'samba*'
05:42<darsie>which will show you which samba packages you have installed.
05:42<themill>"invoke-rc.d samba status" would be instructive
05:43<darsie>samba is the software which serves windows shares.
05:43<notworkn>yup I know what samba is
05:43<notworkn>what is invoke-rc.d
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05:44<darsie>it starts the given start script with the given option.
05:44<darsie>It probably invokes /etc/init.d/samba status
05:44<notworkn>samba 3.0.24-6etch10
05:45<darsie>seems rather old
05:45<darsie>I have samba 3.4.7 and I see there is samba4.
05:45<notworkn>yup, quite possibly
05:46<notworkn>status didn't work for some reason
05:47<darsie>you can do: 'dpkg -L <package name>' for a list of files in the (installed) package.
05:47<darsie>so you can find documentation.
05:48<notworkn>how do I see if the samba service is running?
05:48<darsie>e.g. 'dpkg -L samba' will point you to /usr/share/doc/samba/README.Debian, etc.
05:49<darsie>ps ax|grep samba
05:49<themill>invoke-rc.d samba status
05:49<themill>darsie: that won't work -- the process isn't called "samba"
05:49<darsie>or rather ps ax|grep smb
05:49<notworkn>themill: that command didn't work last time
05:50<themill>"didn't work" meaning what?
05:50<darsie>try /etc/init.d/samba status
05:50<notworkn>gave an error initscript samba status failed
05:51<notworkn>how can I get a version number from this linux box?
05:52<darsie>you could try cat /etc/apt/sources.list
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05:53<notworkn>also how can I get a hardware specification for this box, specifically a list of hdd's and how much space they have total/fre
05:53<notworkn>df right?
05:53<darsie>'deb testing main non-free contrib' means this uses the testing release of debian.
05:54<darsie>df or df -h
05:54<darsie>also fdisk -l
05:54<darsie>and lspci
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05:54<notworkn>can you also cat /mnt something or rtaher?
05:54<darsie>and 'dmesg' or 'less /var/log/dmesg'.
05:55<darsie>you can do: mount
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05:55<darsie>cat /proc/cpuinfo
05:56<notworkn>sda's are hard disks right?
05:56<darsie>originally scsi disks, but often also sata.
05:56<notworkn>and can I cd /dev/sda1
05:57<notworkn>and then df
05:57<darsie>no, that's the raw partition1 on disk sda.
05:57<darsie>it's a file, sort of.
05:57<notworkn>glad I asked, I had a feeling that would be bad (tm) :)
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05:58<darsie>but df will show you the info for all mounted partitions.
05:58<notworkn>well alarmingly the backup disks are FULL
05:58<darsie>if it's not mounted you can try mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
05:58<notworkn>100% utilized
05:59<notworkn>whoops wrong window :)
06:00<notworkn>dev/sda4 461350060 free 437675648
06:01<notworkn>no wonder he killed himself.. he thought he might have to clean up this fucking mess
06:02<notworkn>dev/sda2 mounted on / (whatever that means) 15377852 available 0%
06:02<notworkn>what is /
06:02<darsie>the root of the directory tree.
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06:02<darsie>your root partition.
06:02<notworkn>ok so that is really bad right?
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06:03<darsie>ohh, 0% free?
06:03<notworkn>that I have 0% available spare on /
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06:03<notworkn>dev/sda1 (mounted as boot) has 7% used
06:04<darsie>that will be a small partition.
06:04<darsie>do df -h, its easier to read.
06:04<notworkn>15377852 blocks
06:04<notworkn>you are my hero
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06:05<notworkn>can I get ls -l to come out in GB
06:06<darsie>notworkn: do 'man du' to see which eats up all your disk space. need to sort the output probably.
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06:08<notworkn>well all the backups are going onto this server, I am just concerned I can't access it
06:08<notworkn>lol man du no space left on device stdout
06:09<darsie>I usually do something like 'du -bx >du' for the partition of interest and then 'sort -nr du >dus'
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06:10<darsie>'du -bx >du /data' if /dev/sda5 is mounted on /data.
06:11<notworkn>I opened winscp :)
06:11<themill>notworkn: have a look for some crap in /tmp that you can delete to give yourself a little breathing space. Then "aptitude clean" and look to see if there are spare kernels you can get rid of "aptitude search ~nlinux-image~i; aptitude search ~o"
06:11<darsie>and find some place for the output file (>/partition/with/some/space/du).
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06:11<notworkn>themill: say what now?
06:12<notworkn>i am not touching any kernels :)
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06:13<themill>hmm... this is an etch machine isn't it... "aptitude search ~o" won't work on that.
06:13<darsie>you maybe have some huge logfiles in /var/log that fill up your root partition (/)
06:13<notworkn>the thing that worries me is that I can see they use shadow protect for their backups to this box, however... ALL but about 6 incrementals have dates of today within 10 seconds
06:13<notworkn>time date stamps
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06:16<notworkn>sorry guys, I know I am likely ignoring good advice, but I am taking the very very cautious approach since i am not sure what i am doing
06:17<notworkn>there is nothing in /tmp
06:17<themill>notworkn: running "aptitude clean" is a safe thing to do and will free space in /var/cache which might help you depending on your partitioning layout
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06:19<themill>notworkn: looking for old log files in /var/log would be a good plan too as darsie said. (partitioning scheme dependent again, of course)
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06:20<notworkn>does ls not have a mode for breaking it down into KB/MB/GB?
06:20<notworkn>translating from blocks to MB is doing my head in
06:20<darsie>man ls will tell you that.
06:20<AussieBushRoo>ls -h
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06:21<notworkn>darsie: I can't run man I don't have the free space apparently
06:21<notworkn>but I can google :)
06:21<themill> :)
06:21<darsie>notworkn: did you do aptitude clean yet?
06:22<notworkn>wouldn't let me
06:22<notworkn>no disk space
06:23<notworkn>the logs in the log directory are panicking over no disk space too :(
06:23<darsie>or gee
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06:25<darsie>'rm /var/cache/apt/archives/*deb' should do the same as aptitude clean.
06:25<notworkn>i found something to clean out a few GB
06:25<notworkn>many many
06:25<notworkn>backups from 12 months ago
06:26<darsie>deletes the compressed program packages which are not needed after installing them.
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06:27<darsie>how much disk space does 'du -h /var/cache/apt/archives/' say?
06:27<darsie>du=disk usage
06:28<notworkn>k hang on i'll check
06:28<darsie>not a lot
06:28<chlin1>try aptitude cache clean?
06:29<darsie>but still worth it, if you have no space left.
06:29<notworkn>I have found a bunch of space
06:29<themill>that can be enough to give you breathing room to get other stuff working, be able to work with temp files etc
06:29<darsie>on your root partition?
06:29<notworkn>just working on freing it
06:29<notworkn>how can i tell what's root vs everything else?
06:29<darsie>mount will tell you, what is mounted where.
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06:30<themill>"df /var/cache/apt/archives" will tell you the free space and what partition it's on in one hit
06:32<chlin1>may be check if .cache under $HOME is too large
06:32<notworkn>ok well I still have 0 free%
06:33<darsie>'rm /var/cache/apt/archives/*deb' should do the same as aptitude clean.
06:33<darsie>still 0 free?
06:33<themill>notworkn: if you've got big disks, then 88MB will look like 0% but still be enough to help you do things. Some of that might be reserved space too.
06:33<notworkn>themill: yup
06:33<notworkn>can I use winscp to browse root?
06:33<notworkn>. / rather
06:34<darsie>I guess, if you log in as root.
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06:34<notworkn>I am
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06:34<notworkn>how so how can I do it?
06:34<darsie>root as / or /root?
06:34*notworkn blinks
06:35<notworkn>I thought we needed more space on the root partition?
06:35<darsie>: / is the root of the directory tree, but there's a directory called root as well :)
06:35<chlin1>have you tried check which partition occupy the largest space? e.g. for i in `ls /` do sudo du -hs done.
06:36<Scynix>I'm trying to get my wireless to work on my laptop. I upgraded to the newest kernel, and the system now shows my wireless and associates it as wlan0- but nothing else works. The GUI wireless controls don't seem to even be trying to find a wireless network. Any suggestions?
06:36<chlin1>i guess /home/<user name> is the spot
06:36<themill>chlin1: I know you're trying to help, but are you going for the "most WTFs per line of shell script" there?
06:36<gsimmons>Scynix: What wireless device do you have?
06:37<swordmaster>i need help with installing centova cast on debian
06:37<swordmaster>i need help with installing centova cast on debian
06:37<Scynix>gsimmons: Honestly I have no idea. I can't make heads or tails of hwinfo --wlan as the bot suggested I use. Nothing on this looks like model information.
06:38<swordmaster>it won't read my installation script:((
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06:38<themill>chlin1: just for your own edification, your syntax is missing some semicolons, using "ls /" like that is evil, /msg dpkg parsing ls; sudo isn't set up on debian by default; /msg dpkg sudosmite me; and given that we're looking at a server here with lots of partitions, we can almost guarantee that /home is on a separate partition so that's not going to free space on / for us.
06:38<gsimmons>Scynix: If you can provide its output on a pastebin (/msg dpkg paste), that would assist.
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06:38<swordmaster>how do i install it?
06:38<darsie>notworkn: does 'mount|grep var' say anything?
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06:39<swordmaster>how do i install it?
06:39<swordmaster>how do i install it?
06:39<notworkn>darsie: no
06:39<swordmaster>and what do i need to install it?
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06:40<swordmaster>some othe applications before installing centova?
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06:40<dr|z3d>swordmaster: Keep repeating yourself you'll see a kick happen soon enough.
06:40<darsie>notworkn: good. That means, deleting things out of /var will free disk space on root (/).
06:40<swordmaster>k ma bad
06:40<florentin>I search a howto for preinstalled debian if it's possible ^^
06:41<swordmaster>but noone's answering:((
06:41<dr|z3d>judd depends centova
06:41<judd>Sorry, no package named 'centova' was found in lenny/i386.
06:41<themill>dpkg: tell swordmaster about ask
06:41<themill>swordmaster: you'll not get an answer until you ask a good question.
06:41<darsie>notworkn: do you have some space free? df without -h should tell you.
06:42<gsimmons>Scynix: You're likely missing device firmware for the iwlagn driver ; /msg dpkg iwlagn
06:42<dr|z3d>swordmaster: Check the supporting documentation. That's your best bet. (It may require some reading on your part).
06:43<notworkn>darsie: very little
06:43<darsie>notworkn: but enough so e.g. 'man ls' works?
06:43<notworkn>yup :)
06:43<Scynix>gsimmons: Was any of that the "model" of my wifi? I couldn't tell
06:44<darsie>notworkn: you can also delete old, compressed logfiles: rm /var/log/*.gz
06:44<locklace>Scynix: it will show up clearly on an "lspci"
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06:44<florentin>or for make a computer with debian OEM pls
06:44<darsie>notworkn: may not be much, either.
06:44<Scynix>locklace: Feh! The bot should say that instead then! :P gotcha.
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06:45<notworkn>darsie: i might need some of these logs of evidence
06:45<darsie>notworkn: do 'du -bx / >/du'
06:45<gsimmons>Scynix: dpkg did also mention "what's my hardware", where lspci (among others) is mentioned.
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06:45<notworkn>darsie: ok so I have that command done, now what ?
06:46<notworkn>the du that i s
06:46<darsie>notworkn: then sort -nr /du >/dus
06:46<darsie>then in /dus (disk usage sorted) you can browse the directories by size which should help you find the disk space hogs.
06:47<Scynix>gsimmons: That's what I followed. the "What's my hardware", where it tells you to download hwinfo to find out :p
06:47<notworkn>darsie: where is /dus
06:47<darsie>notworkn: this is the file dus in directory /
06:48<darsie>'/' is the root of your directory tree.
06:48<notworkn>I can't see it in winscp
06:48<locklace>Scynix: anyway, install the firmware like gsimmons said and you should be set
06:48<notworkn>do I need to cat /dus ?
06:48<darsie>go up, up, up, ... then you are there
06:48<darsie>cat, less, ... yes
06:48<notworkn>thanks I found it :)
06:48<darsie>do less /dus
06:49<notworkn>Sorry so new I feel so stupid asking these basic questions
06:49<darsie>you can scroll with less comfortably.
06:49<Scynix>locklace: Unfortunately, I installed the firmware, restarted and it still isn't detecting any wireless networks. Though, now wireless is showing up as an option.
06:49<notworkn>var/mail is MASSIVE
06:49<locklace>Scynix: any output from "iwlist wlan0 scan"
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06:50<themill>notworkn: all that spam
06:50<Scynix>locklace: Interface doesn't support scanning : network is down
06:50<notworkn>How did spam get on this box.. it does backups
06:50<notworkn>is this a spam mail gateway?
06:50<locklace>Scynix: bring it up if it isn't already, "ifconfig wlan0 up"
06:51<notworkn>there is only 1 file in there called administrator dated 2009
06:51<Scynix>locklace: SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory when I use that command :/ thats what I tried earlier
06:51<locklace>that should mean a firmware load failure
06:51<gsimmons>Scynix: Are you using Lenny, or Squeeze?
06:52<gsimmons>Scynix: Did you install firmware-iwlwifi specifically from lenny-backports?
06:52<Scynix>per the bot
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06:52<darsie>notworkn: You could compress the file. or move it to a partition with lots of space. or delete it.
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06:52<gsimmons>Scynix: Please pastebin the output returned from the dmesg command.
06:53<darsie>notworkn: actually, compressing it may fail with little disk space.
06:53<notworkn>I am going to move it somewhere and then compress it and leave it off the system
06:54<notworkn>if it's been 9 months since it was accessed the system does not need it to operate
06:54<themill>It's probably full of messages from cron telling you that the disks were filling up
06:54<darsie>new incoming mail will IMHO recreate the file.
06:54<notworkn>what mail?
06:55<notworkn>system generated?
06:55<darsie>mail from cron and other programs.
06:55<notworkn>not email
06:55<darsie>its still email.
06:55<notworkn>ok well not from externally to this system is what I meant
06:55<florentin>It's possible to make an oem install of debian i have searche and nothing
06:55<notworkn>and if it was full of disk space warnings it would have a later date
06:55<florentin>It's possible with ubuntu
06:55<darsie>I don't know, if this system receives external mail.
06:55<notworkn>like today
06:56<notworkn>darsie: me either, but port 25 doesn't go to this machine
06:56<darsie>You can read into the file.
06:56<notworkn>I just want the last 50 lines ideally
06:56<darsie>mom ...
06:56<darsie>tail -n 50 <file> or so.
06:57<darsie>'tail -n 50 <file>|less' for instance.
06:57<darsie>or 'tail -n 500 <file>|less'
06:57<notworkn>sorry baby woke
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07:02<And1>Could anyone tell me how to install chromium on debian sid?
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07:02<darsie>is that the google web browser?
07:02<aiux>, versions chromium
07:02<judd>chromium -- lenny:; sid: 0.9.14-1; squeeze: 0.9.14-1
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07:03<notworkn>would it be a sin to ask someone to help me install webmin (no need to trigger it I already read it 10 x )
07:04<And1>judd: Not chromium-bsu.
07:04<notworkn>ok I now have 1gb of space on the / partition
07:04<And1>darsie: It's a browser, but untouched by google.
07:04<darsie>And1: How about aptitude install chromium?
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07:05<darsie>notworkn: 'aptitude install webmin' might be it. But I can't support you beyond that.
07:05<darsie>but you might need enough disk space.
07:05<And1>darsie: Description: transitional dummy package for chromium-bsu !!
07:06<ansgar>And1: You are looking for chromium-browser from experimental (only i386 uploaded for now).
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07:06<notworkn>I have a gb now
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07:06<darsie>And1: It depends on chromium-bsu so it will install chromium-bsu.
07:06<And1>ansgar: Yup, though I'm using amd64 architecture but it would be possible to build it from source, or isn't that possible for amd64 architecture by now?
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07:06<And1>darsie: It's just not what I am looking for.
07:07<darsie>And1: ohh, ... you wrote that ... sry.
07:07<themill>ansgar: that would have to be the fastest trip through NEW
07:07<notworkn>how can I tell if it's already installed?
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07:07<And1>darsie: Never mind. :)
07:07<darsie>notworkn: dpkg -l webmin
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07:07<themill>And1: [12:03] <themill>
07:07<majkel>I need some advice on getting Tomcat 6 to startup under Debian 5 using the Sun JDK. AMD64 VPS.
07:08<darsie>notworkn: if the webmin line starts with 'ii' then it is installed.
07:08<notworkn>ok it's not there
07:08<notworkn>when I tried to install webmin using that command it failed saying no packages will be installed, upgraded or removed
07:08<dpkg>Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See about the removal from Debian. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality.
07:08<And1>themill: Great, thanks. :) Can I find updatest there, or will it automatically update? Did you test those deb's yet?
07:09<majkel>I execute the startup script and get this: Using CATALINA_BASE: /opt/tomcat
07:09<majkel>Using CATALINA_HOME: /opt/tomcat
07:09<majkel>Using CATALINA_TMPDIR: /opt/tomcat/temp
07:09<majkel>Using JRE_HOME: /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/
07:09<majkel>Using CLASSPATH: /opt/tomcat/bin/bootstrap.jar
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07:09<darsie>notworkn: your system probably has not been upgraded a long time.
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07:09<themill>And1: perhaps. It's being worked on for upload to unstable at which time it will be available through the normal channels
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07:09<darsie>notworkn: You can do aptitude update to refresh the package information.
07:09<majkel>Anyone can give advice on Tomcat?
07:09<themill>dpkg: tell majkel about paste
07:09<majkel>sorry about that, the mill
07:10<And1>themill: That would be great. :)
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07:11<darsie>notworkn: in /etc/apt/sources.list, what is the word after the URLs?
07:11<notworkn>that just gets the list of updates right? not downloads every update available and installs them ?
07:11<And1>Ok now a newbie-question. How do I purge google chrome which was installed via dpkg?
07:11<locklace>aptitude purge
07:12<notworkn>etch main
07:12<notworkn>main contrib
07:12<darsie>notworkn: 'deb stable main non-free contrib' tells you you have debian 'stable'. Could be etch, lenny, testing, unstable, ...
07:12<darsie>notworkn: just the one word, for each active line.
07:13<themill>notworkn: a problem for you for another day is to upgrade that box to lenny. Security support for etch ended a few months ago
07:13<darsie>nah, etch.
07:13<darsie>only one active line?
07:13<notworkn>sorry, I don't mean to be dense, but I am not sure what you mean darsie
07:13<notworkn>i don't see any "active" line
07:14<darsie>active is not starting with #
07:14<darsie>not commented out
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07:15<notworkn>let me check I have this right
07:15<majkel>I need some advice on getting Tomcat 6 to startup under Debian 5 using the Sun JDK. AMD64 VPS.
07:15<majkel>I get this when I startup Tomcat:
07:15<notworkn>I was to cat /etc/apt/sources.lst
07:15<notworkn>cd ..
07:15<majkel>java -version -server gives the expected results
07:16<notworkn>darsie there are 4 lines in that file that aren't black
07:16<darsie>just the ones that don't start with #.
07:16<majkel>But when I run nmap localhost, nothing is listed on the port I configured
07:16<notworkn>none of them start with a #
07:17<majkel>nor is Tomcat running as per ps
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07:17<majkel>Anyone can shed some light on this tomcat problem? If so I'm all ears.
07:17<notworkn>deb etch main
07:17<notworkn>that is the first line of that file
07:17<notworkn>is that what you want?
07:17<notworkn>or shall I pastebin the other 3
07:18<darsie>notworkn: yes, please
07:19<darsie>notworkn: ok
07:20<darsie>now you can try aptitude install webmin
07:20<notworkn>still failed
07:20<notworkn>do you want the output of that pastebined
07:20<notworkn>it's about 9 lines
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07:21<themill>webmin isn't in the debian repositories so of course that's not going to work
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07:21<jimmy_>im not sure why dnsmasq is not updating my hosts file, any ideas what im doing wrong?
07:22<notworkn>i need a coupla minutes
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07:22<nig>hello, i'm using debian lenny, I have a problem with the audio.everything goes but the audio doesn't work..any help please?
07:22<jimmy_>i have "dhcp-host=00:0d:3a:c5:tt:tt,xbox," in my dnsmasq.conf file
07:23<jimmy_>it gets the correct IP without issue, however the hostname (xbox) will not resolve or get stored in hosts
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07:24<notworkn>darsie: ok what's next
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07:28<darsie>notworkn: well, since webmin is not in debian, you would need to get it from somewhere else. You could search
07:29<notworkn>well I can get it from the webmin site
07:29<notworkn>they have a debian install
07:29<notworkn>.deb file
07:29<jimmy_>sorry to re-ask, but does anyone know what would stop dnsmasq from updating the /etc/hosts file?
07:30<darsie>notworkn: They have a database of alternate debian repositories, which you can include in your sources.list and then aptitude install the packages.
07:31<notworkn>for this one file, would it not be easier to just grab it and copy it to the linux box?
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07:31<nig>I'm having problems with audio, does anyone know how to fix it? the audio doesn't work at all..
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07:33<Torsten_W>nig, "doesn't work" halps nobody to help you
07:33<gsimmons>nig: Weren't you here previously regarding use of USB and HDA-Intel audio devices?
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07:33<nig>yes and I had the problem solved..
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07:35<nig>cahoot told me to run from the terminal a thing like this : echo ' options usb etc but I don't remember all..
07:35<gsimmons>nig: 03:34 < cahoot> marlen: (as root) do this: echo ' options snd-usb-audio index=-2' > /etc/modprobe.d/mysound.conf. Then alsa force-reload
07:37<nig>ok. that's the answer, now I remember it, thank you so much.
07:37<notworkn>darsie: I have the .deb file from the webmin site
07:37<darsie>notworkn: If it's really only one file, and it does not depend on any others which are not in debian, yes.
07:37<notworkn>where should I upload it
07:37<darsie>notworkn: dpkg -i <deb file>
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07:39<notworkn>dependicy issues
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07:39<darsie>told you :)
07:39<notworkn>so I get around that by adding that url you have me to the sources.list?
07:40<notworkn>I am a little worried about upgrading dependicies on such an old unknown to me machine
07:40<notworkn>in case it breaks something
07:40<notworkn>should I leave it for the time being ?
07:40<darsie>well, will give you a line, hopefully.
07:40<darsie>your choice.
07:40<darsie>I don't use webmin.
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07:40<darsie>but I'm also a lame admin.
07:41<alumno>k pasa
07:41<alumno>diselo a estos
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07:41<darsie>english please
07:41<notworkn>wow where is the init.d
07:41<themill>!es-social Doraemon, alumno
07:41<dpkg>Doraemon, alumno: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
07:41<notworkn>found it
07:41<notworkn>samba is in there
07:42<darsie>notworkn: I also use mc a lot. a norton commander clone. Dunno if you like it.
07:42<darsie>It might have some (security related) bugs.
07:43<notworkn>I like norton command/xtree gold
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07:43<notworkn>anyways it's getting late. I can't do anything else tonight
07:43<notworkn>tomorrow I'll recommend the client buys a mirrored nas until we work out what to do with this box
07:43<notworkn>the prior admin sold him 3K of backup software and then installed the trial versions, which expired 9 months ago
07:44<darsie>Get a linux admin for the machine. Or become one :)
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07:44<notworkn>no backups in that time
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07:44<notworkn>darsie: I don't really want to be a linux admin
07:44<notworkn>I would prefer something I can admin myself
07:44<notworkn>and I don't have the resources to learn linux right now
07:44<notworkn>though one day I'd like to
07:44<darsie>there's your chance :)
07:44<notworkn>darsie: you have been seriously awesome
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07:45<notworkn>I couldn't have done it without you
07:45<darsie>I'm glad I could give back what I receive here, often.
07:45<notworkn>but it's bedtime for me, I'll no doubt be back with more q's
07:45<darsie>good night
07:45<themill>notworkn: good luck with it
07:45<notworkn>thanks for your help too the-dude_
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07:54<majkel>How can I open port 80 for using my web server?
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07:54<darsie>majkel: In a firewall?
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08:01<majkel>is it on by default in Debain 5 Lenny?
08:01<majkel>the firewall?
08:02<darsie>I don't think so.
08:02<darsie>did you start apache?
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08:03<darsie>can you 'wget localhost'?
08:03<majkel>"Connection refused"
08:03<darsie>did you start apache?
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08:03<majkel>The server (Tomcat ) is running
08:04<majkel>I can telnet to port 8080 that it is using
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08:04<darsie>from remote?
08:04<majkel>yes, in my terminal
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08:04<majkel>well, no
08:04<majkel>connected to the server
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08:04<majkel>I'll try my IP as well
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08:05<dli>majkel, check apache logs and syslog
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08:05<darsie>'wget localhost' must be done from the server machine, of course.
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08:06<majkel>How do I check the fw config in Debian?
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08:06<dr|z3d>majkel: If you want a UI, try gufw or firestarter.
08:06<darsie>'iptables -L', I think.
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08:08<majkel>ok, It just says "Accept everywhere to everywhere"
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08:08<rodiguim>does anyone knows a good network manager which supports Ralink RT73usb
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08:09<darsie>majkel: You could set up socat to listen to your port instead of tomcat to test the firewall.
08:09<majkel>iptables -L :
08:09<majkel>socat, ok
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08:11<majkel>But doesn't the iptables result indicate my fw isn't active?
08:11<darsie>it's a better netcat.
08:11<darsie>I think so.
08:12<darsie>you can use lsof or netstat to check if tomcat is listening to a port.
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08:13<darsie>lsof |grep apache|grep LISTEN
08:13<darsie>for apache
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08:15<darsie>Hmm, my apache is listening only on IPv6, says lsof. But it does use IPv4, too, at least. irritating.
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08:16<jmm>darsie: stuff shown a IPV6 , also listen as ipv4.
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08:23<darsie>I want CUDA seti@home for Linux.
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08:24<majkel>darsie, there's no port 8080 listed as LISTEN for any app with lsof
08:25<darsie>majkel: Then you must configure tomcat.
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08:26<majkel>yes, but it's the base install file. should work no? and it looks proper
08:26<majkel>But you're right....
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08:26<darsie>there are programs that won't do anything until they are configured.
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08:31<majkel>darsie, yes but Tomcat 6 on my mac will run fine as installed and give the first page that came with it.
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08:32<darsie>majkel: I don't know tomcat.
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08:32<majkel>There must be a logical reason to it.
08:33<majkel>Probably my shallow knowledge of Debian :-)
08:33<avu>majkel, the debian tomcat packages come with a config quite different from the one vanilla tomcat ships
08:33<majkel>No, it's directly from Apache
08:33<darsie>maybe you need another tomcat package. There are several.
08:33<majkel>Yes, but it is running now at least.
08:33<avu>majkel, why wouldn't you use the debian package?
08:34<majkel>It seemed tied to Kaffe
08:34<avu>majkel, also, if you have problems getting third party software to run, asking in their channel is probably best
08:34<avu>majkel, it isn't
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08:34<majkel>Yes, I'm on the Tomcat channel now on freenode.
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08:34<majkel>But, for the moment it looks like a Debian problem
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08:35<darsie>But you don't have the debian tomcat packages installed, have you?
08:35<avu>majkel, what version of debian are you running?
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08:35<majkel>That's true. I'm going to look at aptitude again. Debian 5 Lenny
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08:36<themill>,versions tomcat5.5
08:36<judd>tomcat5.5 -- etch: 5.5.20-2etch3; etch-security: 5.5.20-2etch3; lenny: 5.5.26-5
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08:38<majkel>I think I'm going to try 5.5 instead and see if that helps
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08:39<TinyAmitz>the can't establish connection to tomcat problem?
08:40<avu>majkel, our you could read your catalina.out to see why the startup is actually failing..
08:40<TinyAmitz>oh sorry, lenny, never mind.
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08:41<majkel>thanks avu. Checking
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09:03<majkel>avu, nothing shows in catalina.out and now I can wget localhost and get my index.html file no problem
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09:17<avu>majkel, so what's the problem? I thought you said tomcat wasn't running?
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09:24<JJ_> <- I've followed this tutorial and gotten the module wl installed and modprobed on my machine. eth1 appears and it is listed when doing iwconfig. However. network-manager is not aware of the card, and iwconfig eth1 essid myssid does not appear to work. Has anyone gotten this driver to work?
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09:27<majkel>avu, it's running now
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09:28<majkel>The problem I can't get to my TOmcat web server from outside my server
09:29<darsie>majkel: is tomcat now listening to a TCP port?
09:29<plompi>hello, i'm trying to compile docky in debian lenny, and it says - error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH - after ./configure. I know I have gcc4.3 and g++4.3 in usr/bin and echo path says usr/bin as well. Can you advise anybody what to do? Tried few tips from google but nothing works and im confused now.
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09:30<avu>majkel, use netstat to verify tomcat is listening where you think it's listening, then use the usual tools from the remote machine to figure out where in your infrastructure the packages get droped if the listening part is correct
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09:30<giovi>ciao a tutti
09:30<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
09:30<dpkg>giovi: VATTENE VIA
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09:31<dpkg>giovi: VATTENE VIA
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09:32<majkel>avu, Tomcat is listening
09:32<avu>majkel, so much was clear, otherwise the localhost wget wouldn't have worked..
09:32<avu>majkel, the question now is if it's listening where it should be listening. ie the right interface/address
09:33<majkel>avu, Now I get an external response
09:33<majkel>So going in the right direction. I'll set up my host more in detail and we'll see..
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09:41<Rhapsody>In four years of using GNU/Linux I've never worked this out so I might as well ask now. In GNU Screen, splitting a window is assigned to 'C-a S'. Now I know the C-a is Ctrl+A, but what does the capital S mean I'm supposed to do?
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09:42<Rhapsody>You read that right by the way, I've been using screen for two of those years.
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09:47<jordanm>Rhapsody: ctrl+a shift+s
09:47<jordanm>Rhapsody: the window splitting is nice but it does not save it when you reattach
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09:48<lancelot_of>hi all
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09:48<chlin>is the location of flash player's glugins (obtained from adobe) at ~/.mozilla/firefox/plugins?
09:48<chlin>i try that folder but flash doesn't work
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09:49<Rhapsody>jordanm: The one combination of Ctrl and Shift I never tried...
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09:49<jordanm>chlin: flash from the adobe website is not supported here. we have packages for flash
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09:49<chlin>jordanm: i see. thanks.
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09:51<dpkg>[flash] frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also
09:51<lancelot_of>my printer HP p2015d is well installed oni my system and from cups i can print test page but when i try to send documents to print it doesn't work and on my system the process "gs" starts use all my memory for indefinite time. So i get: 1) my system slow and 2) no document printed. Any suggestion?How to solve?Please help
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09:55<lancelot_of>more info...if i send to printer 1 page document it prints. More than 1 not.
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09:58<jthomas_sb>Has anyone else noticed in Testing and Sid, that video files more often make the video player crash, or at least not play, than they used to? It seems that very few of the videos that I find these days are watchable any longer
09:58<locklace>"the video player"
09:59<jthomas_sb>no matter which. Dragon crashes. Kaffeine won't play. VLC won't play.
09:59<noah>i don't know why setting up this mta is so foreign to me
09:59<locklace>can you point to an example file
09:59<noah>most are saying it is easy
09:59<jthomas_sb>if i re-encode a file with FFMPEG then it plays however
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10:00<jthomas_sb>locklace not off-hand. i was trying to watch an email attachment that crashes my Dragon. If you have an email addy that you want to give to me, i can forward it to you
10:01<lancelot_of>no help for me?
10:01<jthomas_sb>lancelot_of be patient. what is 'gs' ?
10:02<amphi>jthomas_sb: ghostscript
10:02<lancelot_of>jthomas_sb, i'm patient i was just asking. "gs" is ghostscript
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10:04<noah>[08:59] <lancelot_of> no help for me? <-- think he was referring to this comment
10:04<lancelot_of>maybe should i raise, somehow, the allowed memory traffic through usb to printer?And why gs starts when i send docs to printer if cupsd is running?
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10:04<jordanm>lancelot_of: are you using hplip-cups?
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10:05<lancelot_of>jordanm, it seems to me i'm not. dpkg -l hplips-cups returns no data
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10:06<jordanm>lancelot_of: you should try the hplip drivers... but you should also try your command again with the (s) on hplip
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10:06<jordanm>err without
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10:06<chlin>i use iceweasel's default plugin for flash, but the flash ( video doesn't show anything (blank).
10:06<chlin>any place where i can check?
10:07<jordanm>chlin: you should switch to flashplugin-nonfree
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10:07<lancelot_of>jordanm, does hplip-cups starts automatically after installing package?
10:08<jordanm>lancelot_of: you will need to reinstall the printer in cups using the new driver
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10:09<lancelot_of>jordanm, and remove gs?
10:10<jordanm>lancelot_of: I doubt you need to remove it... just don't use a gs driver for the printer
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10:13<chlin>jordanm: the flash works on my iceweasel now.
10:13<chlin>thanks for suggestion.
10:13<lancelot_of>jordanm, i reinstalled the printer with that driver but if i send doc to printer "gs" still starts and take a very long time
10:14<noah>everyone here is very nice and helpful.. thanks
10:14<noah>i hope i can be the helper of something!
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10:15<lancelot_of>jordanm, the driver you were talking about is "hpcups" in cups, right?
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10:18<jordanm>lancelot_of: I don't recall exactly, but you should noticably see a lot of new HP drivers in the cups interface
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10:19<noah>jordanm: you suggested exim4 right?
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10:20<nerea>aii alguien
10:20<nerea>aii alguien
10:20<noah>as my mail transfer agent? basically i want to access an exchange server to send an email.. or send an email with 'proper' credentials so it actually works
10:20<locklace>!es-social nerea
10:20<dpkg>nerea: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
10:20<lancelot_of>jordanm, yes but for each specific model there are at least 3 drivers category: hpijs, hpcups and foomatic/gutenprint-ijs so i guess the right is hpcups but no noticeble advantages
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10:21<nerea>bye bye
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10:22<nerea>qe taL'
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10:22<jordanm>lancelot_of: are you saying there was no improvement with hpcups driver?
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10:23<lancelot_of>jordanm, yes i am
10:23<jordanm>lancelot_of: are you running lenny?
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10:23<lancelot_of>jordanm, testing
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10:25<jordanm>lancelot_of: make use of the BTS... although cups is up for adoption so I am not sure anyone is working on it
10:25<gsimmons>JJ_: Works for me with a BCM4321 device, though I've not tried using NetworkManager.
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10:26<JJ_>gsimmons: Yeah, it looks as if it *should* work here as well, as it looks normal. I just can't get it to connect to an access point
10:27<JJ_>And my stupid Lenovo S12 blocks third party wireless cards :(
10:27<lancelot_of>jordanm, maybe purging gs may help?
10:27<jordanm>lancelot_of: worth a try
10:28<majkel>Is the Exim on Debian 5 Lenny the best for setting up a simple SMTP server for sending messages from Java server pages. Or better to just just the java.mail lib?
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10:29<gsimmons>JJ_: As your system has a BCM4312 LP-PHY, consider using the support now available in the b43 driver (as of Linux 2.6.32) ; /msg dpkg bcm4312
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10:29<JJ_>gsimmons: Thank you very much for the tip, I'll check it out
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10:30<jordanm>majkel: the exim4 setup is fairly easy, especially if you have a smarthost to relay to
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10:32<noah>ooo mail
10:33<dpkg>A smart host is a type of mail relay server (typically provided by your ISP), which allows an SMTP server to route e-mail to an intermediate mail server, rather than directly to the recipient's server.
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10:39<jthomas_sb>noah i also recommended exim4
10:40<jthomas_sb>you want to use it to relay to an exchange server?
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10:43<noah>jthomas_sb: yes i do
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10:43<noah>i'm working on a script then going to focus on getting the mail so i can send an alert email for my ftp
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10:43<noah>i dont' want to receive any email or store any email
10:44<noah>just send one out
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10:45<jthomas_sb>noah here are instructions, including TLS for encryption of email if you want it. Otherwise, only steps 2 and 4 are needed. Steps 1 and 3 are for the TLS setup.
10:46<jthomas_sb>noah i forgot this part!
10:47<noah>thanks i'll check it out soon
10:51<jthomas_sb>noah you'll need to modify the setup for the paths of the .crt and .key files if you use TLS, and you'll need to modify the exim4 settings for your IP addresses and domains.
10:51<majkel>Thanks jordanm.I'll look inte it.
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11:10<noah>jthomas_sb: hey .. do you think i could disable the Listen addresses?
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11:10<noah>i don't want incoming mail enabled
11:10<dapizzafressa>anybody here, who can tell me, on which debian iso xfce can be found ?
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11:11<zumbi>dapizzafressa: debian-testing-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso
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11:12<dapizzafressa>stable would be great ;)
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11:12<dapizzafressa>i used a 5.0.4 iso to install debian, and i do not want to reinstall
11:13<kop>dapizzafressa: You don't have internet?
11:13<dapizzafressa>right now i have, but where i want to install xfce, i don't :D
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11:13<dapizzafressa>otherwise i could have used apt-get install xfce, i know
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11:14<kop>dapizzafressa: There must be something at that says what's on what. Otherwise, dunno.
11:14<dapizzafressa>i didn't find anything, but i will keep searching
11:14<dapizzafressa>thx :)
11:15<MrMakealotofsmoke>real quick question. I added a pcie sata card. Added a drive, but it made it hda1 (im pretty sure) so now my boot drive is a different letter. How do i get the boot to be hda1 again?
11:15<kop>dapizzafressa: There might also be an app. "aptitude search ~Gcd" or some such.
11:15<zumbi>dapizzafressa: i hope i386 is your architecture
11:15<darsie>why not just put the packages on some removeable media and install them with dpkg.
11:15<dapizzafressa>there are quite many packages, which are linked to each other
11:15<zumbi>dapizzafressa: i use debmirror on a USB-HDD so I can have a mirror to install on my no-net hosts
11:16<kop>MrMakealotofsmoke: Generally you don't. There may be an option in the bios, and you'll need that to set the boot drive so the bios gets your mbr. Otherwise, you use uuids or disk labels in fstab or the grub config to get the partitions mounted in the right place instead of using the hd* names.
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11:16<dapizzafressa>ok, that would have been a great idea too, zumbi
11:16<MrMakealotofsmoke>well my raid mdadm is set to use uuid im pretty sure and it stuffs up when i add a new drive
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11:17<dapizzafressa>ok, thx
11:17<dapizzafressa>problem solved
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11:18<dapizzafressa>i allready found a tut for debian mirroring ;)
11:18<dapizzafressa>but i think i will download it using bt
11:18<MrMakealotofsmoke>like why doesnt debian do uuid by default?
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11:19<dapizzafressa>well, thanks
11:19<MrMakealotofsmoke>like it loads grub and linux and all...but when it loads the kernal it says it cant find hda1
11:19<dapizzafressa>i'm out :)
11:19<dapizzafressa>see you
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11:19<MrMakealotofsmoke>after loading mdadm and junk
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11:26<jthomas_sb>noah you need at least the localhost listening or it won't be able to send its own mail
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11:29<prahal>hi I am missing the /tmp/dbus-<etc> socket even though dbus session daemon is running and most applications using it works (or it least seems to) . It prevents svn from caching auth credentials into gnome-session (from an strace of svn )
11:29<noah>jthomas_sb: gotcha... i did the reconfiguration but one thing confuses me
11:29<noah>i never had to put in credentials for my exchange account
11:29<noah>just the email address
11:29<prahal>and env |grep BUS tell about this /tmp/dbus-<etc> I believe this is where svn gets it
11:29<noah>so i checked /var/log/exim4/mainlog
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11:30<kevin>hello all,does anyone know how to install mozila firefox on debian?
11:30<noah>and see where it hit and resolved the exchange server
11:30<noah>but the connection times out
11:30<prahal>kevin, unnpack it and start it
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11:30<dpkg>Mozilla Firefox is replaced by Iceweasel in Debian. Ask me about <iceweasel> and <why iceweasel>.
11:30<yoyo>hi all :)
11:30<yoyo>apt-get install windows2008 :P
11:30<prahal>yes but if he wants the upstream version (don't know why but still)
11:31<prahal>apt-get install ... oh my there are no applications shipped with this distribution from redmond :)
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11:32<inkbottle>Is there a channel dedicated to network configuration (debian of course)?
11:32<petemc>you can ask here
11:32<inkbottle>ok, then
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11:35<prahal>no dbus know how ?
11:35<jthomas_sb>noah, depending on how Exchange is set up, it can allow relay from a specific IP without authentication which is what my instructions have. If you need authentication on the Windows server... gimme a few minutes, I'll get back to you, gotta step away from my desk
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11:35<themill>prahal: do you have both the system dbus and your own user dbus running?
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11:36<noah>jthomas_sb: thanks.. i'll take a look on the exchange side
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11:36<prahal>yes , ps ax |grep bus shows both
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11:36<jthomas_sb>noah as root look at the file /etc/exim4/passwd.client and/or run 'man exim4_passwd_client'
11:36<themill>prahal: nfc then. That's the limit to my knowledge of dbus... and I always use ssh-agent for caching the svn auth.
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11:37<inkbottle>on a laptop, at boot, eth0 starts automatically (freezing at least a while the boot process, since there is no wired connection). There is not a line about eth0 in the file /etc/network/interfaces -> what is up to date write way to configure network for laptop
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11:38<prahal>maybe the socket is not linked to the filesystem ? lsof -p <pid of the dbus session daemon> does output the libraries, "/" and a lot of sockets but nothing in /var and /tmp
11:38<themill>inkbottle: do you use dhcp everywhere you go?
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11:39<inkbottle>themill, yes
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11:40<inkbottle>so far i go only in one place :)
11:40<themill>inkbottle: then networkmanager is a convenient way of doing this. The network configuration doesn't start until you actually log on.
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11:41<inkbottle>themill, all right; but how do i disable this behavior of trying to configure interfaces at boot-time?
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11:41<themill>inkbottle: don't list the interface in /etc/network/interfaces
11:42<inkbottle>themill, but it's not ;)
11:42<themill>inkbottle: exactly where is it freezing then?
11:42<themill>s/freezing/pausing/ whatever
11:43<themill>inkbottle: during exim4 startup? or somewhere else?
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11:45<inkbottle>themill, good question the last one: i don't know. about /etc/network/interfaces the content is: auto lo \\ iface lo inet loopback \\end
11:45<inkbottle>i can reboot to see
11:45<jthomas_sb>noah figure it out?
11:47<Guest19>hi all . how to create repository like with this link :
11:48<themill>dpkg: tell Guest19 about own repo
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11:50<noah>jthomas_sb: makes more sense now..
11:50<noah>but i'm still working on it
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11:57<Guest19>themill . i want to not using dpkg-scanpackages . i want to create repo link with this link
11:58<themill>Guest19: do you want to create a mirror of the debian archive?
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11:59<jthomas_sb>ok. note that it is in cleartext. you can try putting it in this way : " *:username:password " and make sure the permissions are set to root:Debian-exim , 640
11:59<jthomas_sb>noah ^^
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11:59<Guest19>themill, yes
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12:00<themill>Guest19: A caching server is usually a better idea (saves both you and the mirrors bandwidth). /msg dpkg apt-proxy
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12:00<noah>jthomas_sb: file permissions look good
12:00<noah>i'll try using the wildcard
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12:00<inkbottle>themill, here is the description of the problem: manuscript copy of one screen of boot process; plus /etc/network/interfaces:
12:01<noah>i had the ip in there.. but whatever
12:01<jthomas_sb>noah its not authenticating tho? it needs to be a FQDN that can be verified with reverse DNS, hence the wildcard makes life easier
12:01<ircleuser>could ask a question?
12:01<jthomas_sb>of course
12:01<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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12:02<jthomas_sb>noah make sure to restart exim to load the changes
12:03<darrob>hi, does somebody have an idea why the following script simply exits at line 45 without an error on one debian machine but works fine on others?
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12:04<noah>jthomas_sb: doh.. i didn't think of that
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12:04<noah>jthomas_sb: on gonna go grab some lunch and take a break
12:04<noah>i will definitely let you know how things fair
12:05<noah>thanks again
12:05<noah>grammar nazi
12:05<inkbottle>darrob, I haven't yet read the script: but you might consider some scripts (sh), are executed with 'dash'
12:05<noah>just waiting..
12:05*simonrvn aughs
12:05<jthomas_sb>darrob i am not super familiar with perl, but does this ($key, $val) need to have its space removed?
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12:06<inkbottle>darrob, perl ;) (too fast)
12:06<themill>inkbottle: no idea... that's a little odd. I'd look at whatever that packet filtering stuff is you've got there.
12:06<noah>jthomas_sb: seriously though thanks and i will get back with ya
12:06<jthomas_sb>sure sounds good
12:06<simonrvn>good luck
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12:06<darrob>jthomas_sb: it's not my script; i just want to use it. the thing is that it does work on a lenny and ubuntu server machine. and it doesn't on other lenny and squeeze machines with the same software versions etc.
12:07<jthomas_sb>well, try removing the space, couldn't be catastrophic
12:07<inkbottle>themill, it looks like there is two things in concurrency interfaces and netscript (I share your pov)
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12:08<themill>darrob: perl doesn't normally just exit. Sure there's no message associated with it?
12:08<koollman>darrob: how do you know it exits at line 45, if there's no error ?
12:08<darrob>themill: yes, i tried perl -d and it seems to simply finish.
12:08<MarioBros>Sorry for my bad english. I have an old PC with a VIA Rhine NIC on board. That PC is dead and I need to use the old hard disk with debian installed to run on a brand new MOBO from Asus. It uses the nVidia MCP68 SE Chipset aka nForce 630a. The exact model is M4N68T-M LE. I need the NIC drivers for that MOBO and brief instruction o how to change it in the old disk to be used in the new PC.
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12:09<darrob>koollman: with the perl debug mode. i also replaced the chomp line with a simple print "test\n"; and it didn't even get that far
12:09<koollman>darrob: probably because it's finished. if you dump an empty database, for example.
12:09<jthomas_sb>MarioBros just plug the disk drive into the new computer. Linux drivers are built into the system and should load when you power it on.
12:09<darrob>koollman: but the same script (and db) do produce the correct output on another machine. if it was a more complex script i would look for a missing package, but this is just confusing me.
12:10<MarioBros>yes I've done that but says eth0 can not start...
12:11<jthomas_sb>does eth1 start? it may have renamed the interface
12:11<jthomas_sb>does eth1 start? it may have renamed the interface, MarioBros
12:11<dpkg>udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address since version 0.090. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Lenny, Squeeze) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>.
12:11<koollman>darrob: are you sure you haven't messed up in redirections, and the db file isn't a 0 byte file or something like that ?
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12:11<peej>if server daemon started by init fails, should init restart it as debian default?
12:12<MarioBros>no. no other eth when I type ifconfig I get;
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12:12<darrob>koollman: positive. i triple checked that -- at least :)
12:12<MarioBros>Link encap: Local loopbak inet addr:
12:13<themill>darrob: and "file file.db" agrees the file is the right type
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12:13<koollman>darrob: well, you can replace the line 44 with : tie(%db, 'AnyDBM_File', shift, O_RDONLY, 0666) or die $!;
12:14<themill>darrob: can you stick the db somewhere for us to look at?
12:14<koollman>which will show possible errors
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12:16<darrob>themill: yes, it's being identified as a gnu dbm file
12:16<darrob>koollman: i'll try that now
12:16<peej>in my particular case, an openvpn server process failed and left a var/run/*.pid file behind, which I believe blocked restart. Suggestions on sensible way to deal with this (with the aim of having the server available)? I mean, is actually sensible to monitor init daemons for failure, or is there a recommended way of having init deal with this sort of thing?
12:16<darrob>thanks to both of you already
12:16<MarioBros>jthomas_sb: dpkg: the command ifconfig looks like Link encap: Local loopbak inet addr:
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12:17<koollman>peej: the usual way to deal with that is to check for the file existance, read the pid in it, check for process existance. it *should* already be handled by the init script
12:18<jthomas_sb>!forcedeth mac
12:18<dpkg>If you're using the <forcedeth> driver and your network card keeps changing its name each time (eth0, then eth1, then eth2, etc), ask me about <70>, remove all but one entry, and replace the MAC address with "00:00:6c:*".
12:18<darrob>koollman: your modification causes the script to exit with an invalid argument in line 44 error.
12:19<peej>koollman, so var/run/*.123 should have init by default see process 123 is there, and if not, clear the *.pid file? And if it doesn't do that, it is a bug?
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12:19<themill>darrob: precisely what command are you giving? (and can you put this db somewhere)
12:19<MarioBros>where I can find the forcedeth driver? how I can install it?
12:19<jthomas_sb>MarioBros back up the file at /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules and then edit it and remove all lines that don't begin with # and then run as root, 'udevadm trigger' and then re-check that file to see if it has anything new
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12:20<jthomas_sb>i don't know if that 'forcedeth' is what you want, MarioBros
12:20<simonrvn>peej: it's literally named *.pid the actual number is in the file
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12:20<peej>simonrvn, oh, yeah, point taken. Thanks.
12:21<darrob>themill: i try ./ -d file, perl and perl -d all those commands do work on the other computers.
12:21<MarioBros>I get only "lo" with ifconfig. No eth listed at all
12:21<themill>darrob: no spaces in the "filename" part?
12:21<jthomas_sb>MarioBros anything in that file after running as root, 'udevadm trigger'
12:22<darrob>themill: no. sorry, i guess that wasn't very precise. './ -d ../factoids-is' is what i run.
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12:22<MarioBros>I'll try it now...
12:22<peej>so, if *pid has a process that has vanished, init *should* clear *.pid, and restart the daemon by default?
12:23<koollman>darrob: what's the full error message ? (I *may* I messed up my modification, but it doesn't look like it)
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12:23<themill>darrob: (isn't as informative as it claims)
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12:24<darrob>koollman: "Invalid argument at ./ line 44." :)
12:24<peej>oh, hang on, if the daemon isn't configured right, it will loop if it restarts like that. Not good design.
12:25<peej>Except for terminals I suppose.
12:25<jthomas_sb>MarioBros sorry mate, I am out of ideas. Can anyone else assist MarioBros with his networking issue? he moved his install to a new motherboard andthe eth isn't recognized
12:25<peej>(respawning getty lines is what I'm thinking of)
12:26<jthomas_sb>MarioBros any useful info from running 'dmesg |grep eth' or 'dmesg | grep net' ?
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12:28<koollman>darrob: well. that means the argument to tie is invalid. but it's not very explicit :)
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12:30<darrob>could it really be something about the script anyway if it works on another machine? i even compared checksums of the database.
12:31<koollman>darrob: more like different versions of various libs, or missing libs
12:31<koollman>iirc, anydbm will try the various b*db modules as it find them. the necessary module might be missing
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12:33<darrob>koollman: can you tell me where to find and compare the installed modules?
12:34<darrob>koollman: on all machines it says "Loading DB routines from version 1.3"
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12:36<koollman>darrob: that's the debugger, not related to the other kind of db.
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12:39<darrob>koollman, themill: thank you very much for your efforts.
12:39<themill>darrob: no worries.
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12:40<koollman>darrob: I really don't know what could go wrong with such a simple script, in particular wrong on one box and not the other. both are debian, both the same release ? on debian, gdbm is probably linked to perl by default, so I can't see why it would fail
12:41<themill>different versions of perl, perhaps.
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12:42<darrob>i'm comparing a real lenny box, a real lenny box (both fail) and a fresh standard lenny VM and even a minimal ubuntu server VM (both work).
12:42<darrob>one of the first is a squeeze box, sorry
12:43<darrob>that and ubuntu do have different versions, but the two lennies are pretty similar (both headless and up-to-date)
12:43<kevin>how do I install firefox on debian?
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12:44<dbldtx>kevin; IceWeasel is the same thing just with different logos due to a Trademark issue..
12:44<koollman>darrob: if the script and db file are perfectly identical, as well as the commands used, whatever is wrong is : perl version (with a bug corrected in the working version), dependancy missing (libgdbm used by any_dbm), or ... voodoo curse. I may have forgotten some other possibilities
12:44<kevin>ye yea but I don`t want IceWeasel
12:45<dbldtx>kevin; it's the same thing, even firefox add-ons etc work with it...
12:45<dbldtx>it IS FireFox except for the logo and the name... but there is a way to get FireFox if you want the logo... let me google that for you
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12:46<dbldtx> Here's one way, kevin
12:46<koollman>kevin: well ... you can go on the firefox website and follow the installation instructions, too. but it's probably easier to use the packaged, not-named version
12:46<darrob>koollman: right now my money is on voodoo. how frustrating.
12:46<koollman>ah. voodoo is very frustrating :)
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12:52<Glorf>Hi, wenn i see my sysmonitor, i've got a process named "xulrunner-stub". What is that ?
12:52<themill>Glorf: iceweasel (or icedove 3, probably)
12:52<gsimmons>MarioBros: The PCI ID (e.g. [10de:1234]) of your Ethernet device would assist, use "lspci -nn | grep Eth" to determine.
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12:52<Glorf>themill : ok, but why sometime i've a "firefox-bin" ?
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12:55<themill>Glorf: it's two different names for the same process.
12:55<Glorf>ok, thanks you
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13:07<inkbottle>why could there be a failure at dhcp configuration (installation netinst testing thinkpad x60s eth0) (it previously (other material) always succeed ) (it asks me for some 3945 microcode but it should be for the wireless interface)
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13:22<ale_ryu>hey guys, I think I accidentaly messed up my system, whenever I try to install a package now it says something like: dpkg: parse error, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 20394 package 'libssl096-dev':
13:22<ale_ryu> error in Version string `433791696896:': nothing after colon in version number
13:22<ale_ryu>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)
13:22<ale_ryu>this happened after I ran debsums -c -a
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13:24<jordanm>ale_ryu: does that file appear corrupted on that line?
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13:25<dpkg>run "dselect update" to restore /var/lib/dpkg/available, or if your 'available' file is corrupt, remove it first then see above. Alternatively: "apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available && dpkg --update-avail /var/lib/dpkg/available"
13:25<Grueber>There's an issue I'm having with adding a newly compiled kernel and rebooting it to get kernel panic unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0), it's off a USB drive btw
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13:27<ale_ryu>wow, thanks! will try that
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13:28<noah>i ponder if there is a way to connect to my exchange box to prove that exim's configuration is the issue
13:29<jordanm>Grueber: whats wrong with the debian kernel?
13:30<jordanm>Grueber: are you using kernel-package? are you using an initrd?
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13:30<Grueber>there's no initrd generated
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13:31<Grueber>funny though, it even happens when I install some backport kernel image too, I know it has to do with it not being able to find the USB device at bootup, which is why I added rootdelay=10 in grub but no go
13:31<jordanm>Grueber: if you choose to not use an initrd you _must_ mark your filesystem and storage controller drivers "y"
13:31<Grueber>stock kernel has no trouble
13:31<Grueber>yeah did that
13:31<jordanm>Grueber: what is preventing you from using the stock kernel?
13:31<Grueber>can't get snd-ctxfi (creative labs xfi driver to work
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13:32<jordanm>Grueber: and you say the backports kernel also kernel panics with a failure to mount rootfs?
13:32<Grueber>guess I'll go with the initrd option, I forget how to do that now lol, been absent from linux for about 5 years
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13:32<jordanm>Grueber: /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/*
13:32<jordanm>Grueber: did you file a bug report?
13:33<jordanm>Grueber: please do
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13:36<Glorf>How can i find the name of my processor ? lspci i suppose, but which line ?
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13:38<Glorf>i found
13:38<Grueber>ok guess I'll redo the kernel compile and mkinitrd this time to see what happens
13:38<Glorf>my system profiler wasn't in system>admin
13:38<noah>jordanm: curious... should i be able to telnet to the exchange server on port 25 to test connectivity?
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13:40<petemc>noah: you should
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13:40<jordanm>noah: yes, telnet or netcat
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13:41<noah>i have some issues on the server side then
13:41<noah>i some kind
13:41<noah>er of
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13:42<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do?
13:42<noah>test connectivity to my exchange server :o
13:42<noah>trying to take exim out of the equation for a second
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13:47<noah>so far i can't telnet or netcat to my exchange server
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13:48<jthomas_sb>noah it could be a firewall of course
13:48<noah>thank god i didn't get running down the exim rabbit hole
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13:55<noah>i don't see any entry for port 25 on my access list
13:55<noah>might need that!
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14:04<jthomas_sb>noah if you need to relay with a different port (not 25), check the "Configuring the Client" part of this page
14:04<braindump>I have an a nic alias (eth0:1) that I wish to to remove but ifdown tells me it's not configured. How do I simply remove this interface please?
14:04<jthomas_sb>edit /etc/network/interfaces braindump
14:04<braindump>and then restart
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14:05<jthomas_sb>networking, yes. the full system restart wouldn't be needed
14:05<jthomas_sb>but, would suffice
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14:07<braindump>jthomas_sb: I am sorry but that does not work
14:07<braindump>I do not have an aliased interface in etc/network/interfaces, in fact no mention of it at all, and it is still there after a networking restart
14:07<jthomas_sb>i am sorry also, that is my only solution for you at this time. did you set up that alias?
14:07<fugit>I would like to implement portsentry on a server but don't want to permanently ban the ip. I have been using it to log but would like to do something like fail2bans temporary banning.
14:08<braindump>yes I did and now I need to remove it
14:08<jthomas_sb>how did you set it up?
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14:09<noah>jthomas_sb: thanks.. but i can see that this server has an access list over it without port 25 defined
14:09<noah>which means it will reject any attempts
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14:09<jthomas_sb>yes but maybe its listening on a different port, since ISPs tend to block 25
14:10<jthomas_sb>some do at least
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14:11<noah>might be.. i'll do some more research
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14:14<noah>finally got a response of some kind
14:14<noah>netcat smtp
14:15<noah>220 ESMTP Postfix (Debian/GNU)
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14:17<petemc>that doesnt look like an exchange server
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14:18<noah>petemc: yeah i'm getting confused at what is actually the host name for the actual exchange server
14:18<noah>i fear that it is going through some kind of front end
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14:21<noah>ah.. awesome.. now i'm not getting the email or the error message :P
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14:22<noah>dang ir
14:22<matkowal>hi folks
14:23<noah>it is timing out again
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14:25<matkowal>does somebody know if there is posibility to get intel 32-bit drivers on amd64 architecture ?
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14:26<matkowal>without 3d apps launched with wine run very slow because direct rendering is disabled
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14:31<noah>anyone mind telling me why this doesn't work:
14:31<matkowal>watta watta? ;)
14:31<noah>filename=echo $1| awk -FV '{print $NF}'
14:31<noah>that should shave off everything but the filename from my argument
14:32<noah>my syntax is not correct...
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14:35<retrospectacus>perhaps the "basename" command could help you noah... not really sure what you are trying to do there
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14:36<retrospectacus>filename=$(basename $1)
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14:38<retrospectacus>mmm gin... now we just need some orange juice and sprite
14:38<noah>retrospectacus: yeah someone was trying to help me with a project
14:38<noah>and i just started trying to run some of the code and it is failing completely
14:40*retrospectacus not so familiar with awk - what is supposed to be the transformation from $1 to $filename ?
14:40<noah>should turn /home/user/filename.txt to just filename.txt
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14:42<retrospectacus>the basename command does exactly that
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14:44<noah>retrospectacus: your version worked wonderfully
14:44<old>noah: I recommend changing $1 to "$1" - This makes it bahave good if path has spaces.
14:44<noah>this makes me very suspicious about the rest of the code
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14:45<Megabites>alguem do Brasil ??
14:46<retrospectacus>noah: the code may be trying to use an older or completely different version of awk, perhaps
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14:46<noah>retrospectacus: i agree.. i did give my distro info to him though
14:47<Leaner>I am trying to compile fortran code in debain, but it is not working!
14:48<noah>the other major variable is somehow pulling the username associated with the file
14:48<noah>so i can have $username as a variable
14:48<locklace>!tell Megabites about br
14:48<retrospectacus>Leaner: please pastebin the code and compile command and error. /msg dpkg paste
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14:49<retrospectacus>noah: the owner of the file?
14:49<noah>i'm afraid to even try the code i have
14:49<noah>it's another awk -FV
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14:50<wvsfxr1>Hey, does anybody know how to control fan manually?
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14:50<retrospectacus>voltage knob
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14:53<retrospectacus>noah: $owner=$(ls -ld "$1"|cut -d' ' -f3)
14:54<noah>whoa holy crap
14:54*noah studies
14:55<Leaner>I use geany as editor
14:55<retrospectacus>wvsfxr1: there are fan control programs, scripts, you can also write directly to some certain files in /proc
14:55<Leaner>and it complains that g77: command not found
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14:56<noah>retrospectacus: you rock!
14:56<locklace>uh, that's a really lame way to get file ownership information
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14:56<noah>locklace: yeah?
14:56<noah>it did work :P
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14:57<noah>i imagine that is just listing the file and then... magic
14:57<locklace>try "stat -c $1" if you must use a language that can't handle stat(2) natively
14:57<locklace>oops, "stat -c %U $1"
14:57<wvsfxr1>retrospectacus: into which files? I have an empty folder: /proc/acpi/fan ...
14:58<Leaner>I also intstalled gfortran compiler
14:58<Leaner>intel compiler
14:58<noah>locklace: i had to use `stat -c %U $1`
14:58<noah>both work
14:58<retrospectacus>wvsfxr1: I don't know..
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15:00<retrospectacus>noah: stat is better, I just didn't know the syntax so I made up that other thing. cut is a useful command
15:00<noah>for what i am doing they are both great solutions
15:00<Leaner>if anyone has any idea on why the fortran compiler is not working on debian lenny, please tell me.
15:01<retrospectacus>Leaner: we still don't know the command you are using or the error it is producing
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15:01<Leaner>gfortran <filename>
15:01<Leaner>error : g77: command not found
15:01<wvsfxr1>I have an old quanta kn1 and the cooler is only running for cpu and not for vga. For that reason I just want to run cooler permanently until I have another solution. Any suggestions?
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15:02<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
15:02<jthomas_sb>Megabites ^^
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15:05<noah>basically i am trying to write a script that launches after a file is created via a triggered event
15:05<noah>the event launches the script with the full path of the file as an argument:
15:05<noah>mkdir -p $archivefolder 2 > /dev/null
15:05<noah>cp $1 $archivefolder/$filename
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15:07<locklace>the /$filename bit is redundant unless you want to change the filename
15:07<noah>$1 is the full path
15:07<noah>would that create /archivefolder/home/testftp/pub/test.txt
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15:08<noah>if /home/testftp/pub/test.txt is the argument? ($1)
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15:08<weasel>try it?
15:09<noah>i will i will
15:09<matkowal> /quit
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15:09<old>noah: Yes if filename=$1.
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15:10<Megabites>i need help for install debian lenny on compactflash
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15:10<Megabites>the instalation do not install or not call grub
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15:23<bfg6>hi ppl
15:24<bfg6>anyone know how to test that anon-proxy is working?
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15:25<darsie>lagado proxy test?
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15:25<B4cktrack>Enter in one of the many sites which shows your ip
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15:26<bfg6>I went to whatsmyip and it showed my real ip
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15:26<darsie>obviously not working then.
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15:26<bfg6>i thought it should show proxys ip?
15:27<B4cktrack>Yes, it shows
15:27<darsie>unless your proxy transmits the user IP, but then it's no an anon proxy.
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15:27<bfg6>yeah that what I thought!
15:28<bfg6>there is no config file so im stuck
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15:28<darsie>try the lagado test. It shows the HTTP headers, too.
15:28<valdyn>bfg6: config file?
15:28<valdyn>bfg6: are you trying to run an anon-proxy yourself?
15:28<bfg6>like a config file for the app
15:29<valdyn>bfg6: are you surprised that whatismyip can show the proxies real ip?
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15:29<valdyn>i believe he is running just provixy or something like that - silly
15:30<bfg6>im running anon-proxy
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15:30<valdyn>bfg6: is that a debian package?
15:30<bfg6>thats what its called
15:30<bfg6>yes its a deb pkg
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15:31<darsie>bfg6: Then just say you run an open proxy and it was not you but someone else using it.
15:31<darsie>or install tor+privoxy+torbutton.
15:32<valdyn>bfg6: that looks like decent software, but I guess you might not be using it
15:32<darsie>configure you webbrowser to use it.
15:32<Scynix>sigh, does anyone know why, after updating the kernel in deb lenny, grub would claim hd0,0 doesn't exist?
15:32<darsie>maybe you updated grub.
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15:33<darsie>grub2 starts counting partitions from 1.
15:33<bfg6>well when Itold firefox to use localhost:4001 it said proxy was refusing connections
15:33<valdyn>Scynix: I think you need to run grub-install --recheck
15:34<valdyn>bfg6: duh
15:34<Scynix>valdyn: Just tells me hd0 can't be stat'ed, invalid device
15:34<valdyn>Scynix: hd0 can never be stat'ed
15:35<Scynix>well, I tried recheck on /dev/sda1 which is where the 7 install is
15:35<bfg6>@darsie well when Itold firefox to use localhost:4001 it said proxy was refusing connections
15:35<valdyn>Scynix: hd0 is not a linux device, its what grub calls your first bios drive
15:35<Scynix>and it says it's the hd0 line is /dev/sda
15:35<darsie>check your device.lst or what it's called.
15:35<valdyn>Scynix: grub-install --recheck /dev/sda1 just might have broken your windows 7
15:36<valdyn>Scynix: running commands that you dont understand is a bad idea
15:36<Scynix>valdyn: Meh, it's all in learning how the damn thing works as far as I'm concerned.
15:36<Scynix>Nothing time can't fix.
15:36<valdyn>Scynix: read the manpage
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15:36<Scynix>valdyn: Did that, unfortunately man pages fail to mention what to do when, you know, the entire program stops functioning the way it did 10 minutes before
15:37<Scynix>also, how would that have "broken windows 7"? It changed a file in the linux partition
15:37<Scynix>it didn't change anything about the windows 7 partition
15:37<valdyn>Scynix: grub-install installs grub to a device
15:37<Scynix>then why would I have run that at all?
15:37<valdyn>Scynix: --recheck makes it create a new
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15:38<Scynix>You misunderstand me
15:38<Scynix>I ran --recheck
15:38<Scynix>I did exactly what you told me to do
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15:38<valdyn>Scynix: grub-install --recheck /dev/sda1 makes it overwrite the windows boot loader and create a new
15:38<bfg6>hate that!
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15:38<Scynix>I did "grub-install --recheck" and it said I needed to specify what install_device I was using the command on
15:39<valdyn>Scynix: no
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15:39<valdyn>21:38 < valdyn> Scynix: grub-install --recheck /dev/sda1 makes it overwrite the windows boot loader and create a new
15:39<Scynix>so what exactly are you supposed to put after --recheck?
15:39<valdyn>Scynix: your boot device
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15:40<Scynix>valdyn: Please, be more specific. "My bood device" can be any number of references.
15:40<valdyn>Scynix: the harddisk your bios boots from
15:41<Scynix>Alright, my brain hurts. If fdisk says the boot is /dev/sda1, that's wrong?
15:41<bfg6>Scynix /dev/sda1 maybe?
15:41<valdyn>Scynix: i guess thats /dev/sda for you
15:41<valdyn>*not* sda1
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15:43<valdyn>Scynix: but i cannot know this , so i cannot be very specific
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15:44<Scynix>valdyn: My issue is, where exactly would I see what you're telling me? If I do fdisk -l, it shows all of my partitions, and the boot partition is marked as /dev/sda1
15:44<valdyn>Scynix: the boot flag is a flag used by windows, its irrelevant to linux
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15:44<Scynix>valdyn: Alright, so what command *can* I use in the future ?
15:44<valdyn>Scynix: if you only have one harddisk then its /dev/sda
15:44<Scynix>I have multiple hard disks.
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15:45<valdyn>Scynix: your file *should* map bios order to linux device names
15:45<valdyn>Scynix: if is correct then the entry for hd0 gives your boot device
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15:45<Scynix>Alright, I have surgery to get to, I'll look when I get back. THank you again for your help valdyn. Hopefully I really did crunch my 7 partition to teach myself a lesson, haha.
15:46<locklace>!win Scynix
15:46<dpkg>Congratulations, Scynix! You have won a lifetime supply of spam!
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15:46<lifestream>Do you do IP/host masks here in this server?
15:46<valdyn>!confuse lifestream
15:46<dpkg>No, them are our mushroom today, lifestream? Trousers of the Monarchy of Tahiti with extra anchovies.
15:47<lifestream>Congratz u make me nautious bz uf I h8 those fuds the most of all fuds.
15:47<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
15:47<valdyn>lifestream: it means you are confusing us with your question -> we dont get it
15:47<manuel__>i just finished my game and would like to know how hard it is to get it into the debian repos?
15:47<lifestream>Just my luck, first time in this server, and I get these spammers :P
15:48<valdyn>lifestream: /msg dpkg ops
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15:49<valdyn>!seen tarzeau
15:49<dpkg>tarzeau <> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 6d 4h 59m 32s ago, saying: 'CWFEU: dget (1) - - Download Debian source and binary packages'.
15:50<valdyn>manuel__: i believe tarzeau might still be active packaging many games for debian
15:50<stickpin>i'm trying to install ssh and keep getting 'Hash Sum mismatch' error. Help?
15:50<valdyn>manuel__: in any case you need support from a debian developer
15:50<lifestream>Thank you valdyn, got it
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15:51<manuel__>valdyn, thanks
15:51<dpkg>For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at Also use the script wnpp-alert (from the <devscripts> package) to see what packages you are using that are in need of help.
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15:52<dpkg>Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference - if you are a deb-newbie read them in this order, found at
15:52<jthomas_sb>noah how is the smarthost relay coming?
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15:53<lifestream>valdyn, What does this mean? :P You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, lifestream
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15:53<lifestream>I got it when doing the dpkg ops thing
15:53<dpkg>[ops] Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban.
15:53<lifestream>That's what I did, and I got that problem
15:54<valdyn>lifestream: must have put more or less in there than I told you
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15:55<lifestream>dpkg: ops I need a host Mask on debian server
15:55<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: lifestream complains about: I need a host Mask on debian server
15:55<lifestream>Like that? Oh it worked ^^
15:56<weasel>NOT LIKE THAT
15:56<lifestream>I put it on the dpkg 'query' message
15:56<weasel>STOP SPAMMING US
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15:56<weasel>(and get a clue while you're at it)
15:56<valdyn>ops, sorry
15:56<lifestream>:-/ OK so HOW do I do it :-/ I'm sorry but I put exactly what it said
15:57<valdyn>lifestream: i thought you were going to "ops xyz is doing onjoin spam"
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15:58<lifestream>No, I asked for help about the Mask, remember?
15:58<weasel>you were sufficiently vague/using wrong or underspecified terminology that valdyn's interpretation was not completely off
16:00<lifestream>Erm.... so... where can I get a host mask? :-X
16:00<valdyn>maybe he wants a cloak
16:00<weasel>not in #debian.
16:00<lifestream>I got it, was given a link to it.
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16:01<lifestream>I thought this was Debian "debian" IRC server, not Debian "something else" IRC server ^^; I just learnt that you share server with oftc, so I will ask there
16:02<weasel>"share a server with". omfg.
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16:02<dpkg>OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: You may be connected to OFTC's network. See also <freenode>, <oftc move> and <fact sharing>.
16:02<bfg6>later all
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16:39<noah>mkdir -p $filepath 2 > /dev/null
16:40<noah>now.. is that so whatever output this has goes to null?
16:40<noah>and i noticed that it made the folder "2" in my current directory.. i wonder what that was supposed to be for
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16:42<themill>noah: it was probably supposed to be 2> not 2 > (note the space) which would get rid of any error messages emitted by mkdir. (Not something you'd really want to do I'd have said)
16:43<noah>no i don't actually
16:44<noah>i need to ADD more error handling to my script
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17:10<ircipimp>i'm trying to build a non-native debian package (upstream tarball provided) but lintian keeps reporting native-package-with-dash-version. However the package indeed has a dash in its version (1.2.003-2).
17:10<ircipimp>however dpkg-source looks for package-1.2.003.orig.tar.gz to detect if i'm building a native package or not
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17:11<ircipimp>is there a way to tell (from a config file) dpkg-source, that it should look for the orig.tar.gz including the traling dash? or is this version number format simply not supported on debian
17:11<themill>why would the orig.tar.gz have the trailing dash and debian revision?
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17:13<ircipimp>because the upstream tarball has the version number 1.2.003-2. Then i append orig.tar.gz and end up with package_1.2.003-2.orig.tar.gz. dpkg-source looks for package_1.2.003.orig.tar.gz instead.
17:13<ircipimp>so the trailing dash comes from upstream
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17:14<themill>That means your debian package shouldn't have a version of 1.2.003-2
17:14<themill>it would be 1.2.003-2-1
17:16<ircipimp>ah, thanks... now i get it
17:16<ircipimp>the previous version in the changelog was 1.2.002-1 which totally confused me
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17:17<themill>ircipimp: is your upstream including a debian/ directory inside the tarball too?
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17:18<themill>good good.
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17:18<ircipimp>its just some pear packages and I'm trying to build for the new upstream version as after the last version the package was orphaned
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17:21<themill>ircipimp: which package(s)?
17:22<ircipimp>1.6.003-2 it is, but 1.2.003 was easier to type
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17:22<themill>yeah, no wonder I couldn't find anything in the archive with that version!
17:22<ircipimp>ha, sry for that...
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17:23<ircipimp>very good, now the lintian messages are gone
17:23<ircipimp>again: thanks!
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17:26<z3>anybody could help me with my ati drivers ? THANKS
17:26<peej>I'm trying to set a remote monitor on with xset. I ssh (without -X option) into the remotebox, export DISPLAY=remotebox:0.0 and run: xset -display remotebox:0.0 dpms force on but that gives me an unable to open display message. What should I be doing?
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17:28<locklace>the -display argument is redundant if you set DISPLAY
17:29<locklace>and the message should tell you exactly what the problem is, the most likely candidate being an auth failure
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17:37<Glorf>When i start Evolution, he's asking me my password for my accounts (it's strange, because they are supposed to be saved)
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17:38<Glorf>And he say "Error while sending username"
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17:47<noah>i am copying a file and it is giving it 777
17:48<jordanm>noah: does the filesystem your copying to support UNIX permission (e.g. not vfat or ntfs)
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17:49<noah>jordanm: this is just a script doing cp $file $dest
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17:49<noah>using mkdir -p $date
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17:49<noah>the folder is 777 and so are the files
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17:50<noah>not the file
17:50<noah>just the directory
17:50<noah>not an issue it is just interesting
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17:53<jordanm>noah: umask
17:53<noah>yeah thanks.. i'm just figuring out the logic..
17:54<noah>it is an process running in the background launching a script
17:54<noah>i think that is why
17:54<jordanm>noah: you also might want cp "$file" "$dest"
17:54<noah>good idea
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17:57<noah>i had to take a break from setting up my MTA
17:57<noah>i have some ACL issues
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18:22<Father0fNine>I am trying to set up an archive for business related packages. These are packages that we have rolled in house to customize Debian to meet our needs. I have a server. Server has a directory /var/www/debian... debian directory has a Packages.gz. Why when I aptitude update do I get Ign: http://installhost debian/ Packages ??
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18:42<markus>hy everybody
18:42<markus>I get an error message from pidgin when connecting to ic. saying: "Received CTCP 'VERSION'"
18:43<rpetre>it's not an error message
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18:43<rpetre>somebody (or a bot) asked your client about its version
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18:43<rpetre>01:43 [OFTC] CTCP VERSION reply from markus: xchat 2.8.6 Ubuntu
18:43<markus>okay. good to know
18:44<rpetre>depending on the irc client these can be ignored
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19:34<edbian>When debian squeeze comes out will I have to re-install the operating system or is there a handy upgrade thingy like in Ubuntu??
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19:37<aiux>dpkg, lenny->squeeze
19:37<dpkg>Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile), then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` ; reboot; aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. Important: see <squeeze udev>. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>.
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19:52<chealer>edbian: there is no need to reinstall
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20:01<GenGoral>I found polish man??
20:03<noah>please rephrase
20:03<GenGoral>My english not good :/
20:03<noah>i'm sure you will be helped
20:04<GenGoral>ok :)
20:04<GenGoral>I instaled backtrack
20:04<GenGoral>end i dont know what i can installed programs in this system?
20:05<dpkg>BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. #backtrack-linux on See also <based on debian>.
20:06<GenGoral>I know that BT4 is simple to debian
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20:06<themill>GenGoral: /server /join #backtrack-linux
20:07<GenGoral>Why not debian??
20:07<GenGoral>BT 4 is full system now, not testing network system
20:08<GenGoral>not all system testing
20:08<themill>GenGoral: please ask the backtrack people in #backtrack-linux on
20:09<GenGoral>ok thx
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20:50<inkbottle>I can start x with startx from tty (btw i can't if in screen session); then i can stop it with "fg; C-c"; how works "openbox --exit"? To do "init 3" i have to be root.
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20:54<inkbottle>ok, it seems it stops when last client terminate
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21:32<Rhapsody>I can start amuled here, but I cannot for the life of me figure out a way of safely STOPPING it.
21:32<Rhapsody>amulecmd seems incapable of shutting it down.
21:33<Rhapsody>SIGKILL, I just stopped caring if I lost file.
21:33<bja>Rhapsody: aren't you monologues strictly ot?
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21:35<Rhapsody>It was partly a question, but I got past the point where I cared about the safe way and just killed it.
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21:36<Rhapsody>Besides, I tried them in #debian-offtopic and got accused of 'trolling'.
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21:36<bja>Rhapsody: you know that allready, just ignore them
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23:05<bja>How do i manage to make the dns queries "available" inside a chroot?
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23:27<Ganneff>bja: by having its etc/resolv.conf right
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23:29<bja>Ganneff: ok, i'll try to manage that, it seems the debian postfix configuration has some isues with that whenever postfix is run as a client
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23:37<bja>Ganneff: it is allready done, but since the resolv.conf can change between the time of boot where postfix reads it and the time it is actually set.
23:37<Ganneff>then have an own bind at which will not change. or dnsmasq. or something
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