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---Logopened Tue May 11 00:00:33 2010
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00:09<Dreakon>Hey, in my GNOME main menu, I have 2 icons from the Dofus (a game) installation that don't function and don't appear when I try to edit the menu, so I can't get rid of them. Is there anything I can do?
00:11<se7en>someone know how to edit a desktop icon entry via cli in kde4?
00:11<dr|z3d>se7en: sure. use nano or vim or whatever.
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00:12<se7en>dr|z3d: :) and where would i find the file? that is the main question
00:12<dr|z3d>locate *.desktop
00:12<dr|z3d>All over the place.
00:13<se7en>there is no dot file on the ~/Desktop
00:14<se7en>oh got it /usr/share/applications/kde4
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00:16<Dreakon>Hey guys, are the menu entries for GNOME in a folder somewhere? I got some icons that are somehow in the menu, but don't appear when I try to edit it.
00:17*twiggz facepalm
00:18<dr|z3d>Dreakon: see if gconf-cleaner fixes things for you.
00:18<dr|z3d>,versions gconf-cleaner
00:18<judd>gconf-cleaner -- sid: 0.0.3-3; squeeze: 0.0.3-3
00:19<mentor>locate *.desktop is what he needs to do
00:20<Dreakon>dr|z3d, no dice. The pesty icons are still in there. ;(
00:20<dr|z3d>Perhaps.. it sounded like he had orhpaned links. So, yeah, locate *.desktop and delete the likely suspects.
00:21<Dreakon>Is that what I should do? lol
00:21<mentor>yes. That's why I said so
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00:22<Dreakon>Ah, alright. I thought you were still suggesting things to se7en. :P
00:22<dr|z3d>Same advice, different end user :)
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00:22<rogue_the_one>Hi! I am having problem connecting to my wireless network.
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00:23<rogue_the_one>I am using wicd... the network is being listed, but when I try to connect it, it says "bad passphrase"
00:23<rogue_the_one>but my passphrase is correct :(
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00:25<dr|z3d>Sure you've got the correct wireless protocol settings configured?
00:25<Dreakon>Unfortunately, nothing involving the icons at hand are located with that command. :(
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00:26<Dreakon>Perhaps a simple log out and back in would get rid of them
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00:26<rogue_the_one>dr|z3d, what manual settings are to be done by me?
00:26<mib_0say1y>how do i install debian from livecd? i'm on live cd now, don see any installer
00:26<mib_0say1y>is there a different installer cd as a whole? or the live cd itself has an installer in it?
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00:27<rogue_the_one>dr|z3d, i thought wicd will take care of it... it sure is listing every available wireless network, and otherwise works for wired (eth0) connection too...
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00:28<twiggz>is there something wrong with hitting enter on boot....reading...using the tab, space and enter key?
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00:31<twiggz>livecds will be the DOOM of everything.
00:31<twiggz>DOOM I SAY!
00:31<twiggz>DOOMDY DOOM DOOM
00:31<dr|z3d>twiggz: Take it elsewhere, please.
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00:33<twiggz>yessa massa, you wants me to gets da pigs fed to suh?
00:34<dr|z3d>I'd like not to have to summon the gods to remove you from the channel, tbh.
00:34<twiggz>of course.
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00:35<Varanger>is there any aptitude version for apt-file?
00:37<twiggz>not to my knowledge.
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00:39<Scynix>How do I kill something I started in daemon mode? ps aux shows it running but I can't seem to kill it
00:39<twiggz>kill -9 itspid#
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00:40<GhostlyDeath>When the console font is set via consolefont with an 8x8 size, when switching to my X display then back, the font is either cut off or the bottom of the buffer is off the bottom of the screen. Any suggestions?
00:40<Scynix>Grah, it's not working. Is there a rason the pid# will change?
00:41<twiggz>try it as root.
00:41<Scynix>Can sudo not do it?
00:41<GhostlyDeath>sudo requires /etc/sudoers setup
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00:41<GhostlyDeath>kill -9 `pidof whateveryourdaemonprocessiscalled`
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00:42<Scynix>Sigh, I can sudo just fine, that's not the problem. If PID is the # on the left, it's constantly changing, its' going up by 2 everytime I pull up the list.
00:42<Scynix>so by the time I kill #, it's wrong.
00:42<GhostlyDeath>Scynix: Maybe another process is spawning another one?
00:43<GhostlyDeath>Run away zombies
00:43<Scynix>I'm thikning its restarting itself
00:43<Scynix>How can Ik ill it?
00:43<GhostlyDeath>Nothing can restart itself, it needs something else to start it again
00:43<dr|z3d>Scynix: investigate pidof, perhaps. Might help, might not.
00:43<GhostlyDeath>kill the process creating the process?
00:44<dr|z3d>If it's a daemon, you may find /etc/init.d/<name> stop works.
00:44<Scynix>it's in -daemon mode-, I started it that way from the command line
00:44<GhostlyDeath>Scynix: what is the name of the command?
00:45<dr|z3d>There will be a command to stop the daemon gracefully.
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00:46<GhostlyDeath> /etc/init.d/openvpn stop ?
00:46<GhostlyDeath>If you didn't do that, possibly kill -9 `pidof openvpn`
00:47<Scynix>I did do it, and it didn't work, because I didn't start it with that.
00:48<GhostlyDeath>cat /proc/`pidof openvpn`/stat
00:48<GhostlyDeath>take the number that is usually repeated twice
00:48<GhostlyDeath>after S/T/D/Z/R #
00:48<GhostlyDeath>and kill -9 that pid
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00:49<GhostlyDeath>Otherwise, create a script that constantly kills the process
00:51<twiggz>wow, wtf is this you are running?
00:51<twiggz>i wanna try it!
00:51<GhostlyDeath>twiggz: ?
00:51<twiggz>its like chuck fucking norris!
00:51<twiggz>it cannot be killed! it will not ever run out of ammo!
00:51<dr|z3d>twiggz: Please, calm it down. You were doing well.
00:52<twiggz>im serious, i want to try this application to see if I can duplicate the mans problem.
00:52<GhostlyDeath>Anyway, the console font reverts to normal when switching from X's tty to a standard console tty
00:52<GhostlyDeath>There a way to fix this without setting the font again
00:53<GhostlyDeath>by hand
00:53<GhostlyDeath>Scynix: in pstree, is "openvpn" sprouting off anything?
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00:53<owl>En qué archivos de Linux se consigue la información que indica la asociación entre tipo MIME?
00:54<owl>Which Linux file information is obtained that indicates the MIME type association?
00:54<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
00:55<GhostlyDeath>owl: file --mime-type
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00:55<GhostlyDeath>file: application/x-bzip2 for example
00:56<Scynix>Ghostly, I restarted the system. Wasn't worth the frustration.
00:57<owl>There is some other like mailcap?
00:57<GhostlyDeath>Don't know of mailcap
00:58<owl>/etc/mailcap has associations.
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00:59<owl>It is the only file?
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01:01<Scynix>Has anyone here set up openvpn before?
01:01<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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01:02<dr|z3d>Scynix: If openvpn is giving you a headache, perhaps try hamachi. Warning: non-free software!
01:02<dr|z3d>free as in speech, that is. it's free as in beer :)
01:03<Scynix>dr|z3d: It's not giving me a headache, I just don't know where to begin looking. I have it running on my server. I can connect to it with a client. I can ping through the tunnel. I can't ping anything on the servers network, and I can't access the internet. None of the logs I can think of to view give me any remote hint of an idea what the problem is.
01:04<dr|z3d>aka a headache :)
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01:04<Scynix>dr|z3d: It's more a headache when I try to resolve the issue on my own and I'm told to use something else.
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01:04<dr|z3d>You weren't told anything. It was a suggestion.
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01:04<Scynix>dr|z3d: Wasn't referring to you.
01:05<dr|z3d>Ah, ok. My bad. :)
01:05<dr|z3d>There may well be an openvpn channel somewhere. That might be a better bet.
01:06<dr|z3d>I'd hazard a guess and say freenode is likely.
01:07<Scynix>Yeah, I tried the freenode channel. They were less than friendly.
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01:08<Scynix>My GUESS is it has something to do with the location I'm at. When I attempt it from the building across the street with a different network setup, it works fine. When I move here, it stops working past the local machine. I just .. don't know what tools I can use to try to verify.
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01:14<GhostlyDeath>Scynix: Bad networking?
01:15<GhostlyDeath>Maybe your setup explodes with certain subnets and such?
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01:21<Scynix>GhostlyDeath: That's what I'm trying to figure out. The weird tihng is, everything says if the subnets match on both sides, it's a problem- the only way I've gotten it to work, was on a MATCHING SUBNET! x_X!
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01:27<twiggz>Scynix: yes, the freenode channel is far less friendly, they tend to brag more about their own accomplishments and so on and ignore people that need support in their "support" channel. That is why debians official channel is on oftc.
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01:28<twiggz>Of course i assume it also has something to do with freenode having their behinds handed to them on a platter more than any other large network in existance...bad business operators using the same passwords for nicks, ircd accounts, olines, and leaving olines left at *@*
01:28*twiggz shrugs
01:29<Scynix>twiggz: I really like this channel. No one has questioned or insulted my attempts to learn *how* to fix something. I got insulted over there for not letting someone else fix the problem for me.
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01:29<twiggz>Only an idiot would let an unknown irc person have access to their machine.
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01:38<twiggz>the chinese are selling a wifi cracker thats linux works quite well from what i hear...
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01:40<Scynix>twiggz: that's what really bothered me. One person literally wanted login information, and no one (who was at their keyboard, I guess?) even batted a keystroke.
01:41<twiggz>the onyl wireless device i have is an eeepc 1005hab...and here in hot springs...we are never without of range of someones free wifi...
01:41<twiggz>so ive never had to use it.
01:42<twiggz> it..
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01:54<twiggz>Heres a thought...why do people go out buying dual cores and quad cores and so on ..when most applications cant even use them properly yet?
01:54<twiggz>I have a single core p4 with the same mobo, type and amount of ram that runs apps faster than this dual core...
01:54<jm_>because pretty much everything is dual core nowadays
01:54<Appl6>twiggz: Because four applications can use four cores pretty easily.
01:54<the-dude>because you don't want to search for a single core ?
01:55<ODDity>the hardware is also sensible enough to spread the load over multiple cores now-a-days
01:55<jm_>it's software that needs to do that, not hardware
01:56<ODDity>not all the time
01:56<twiggz>Appl6: then explain how my 2.66ghz p4 single core reacts faster than a core2duo @ 2.60ghz and a dual core celeron @ 2.20ghz with the same mobo, same amount of ram...etc...
01:56<twiggz>i feel cheated.
01:56<Appl6>twiggz: Where "etc." means an incredible number of settings that constitute the state of your machine, which you couldn't possibly verify or assert to be equal.
01:57<twiggz>Appl6: the hardware is all the same except the processors I described :)
01:57<twiggz>same brand and all.
01:57<Appl6>twiggz: "Reacts faster" implies applications, daemons, configuration settings, OS settings, and more.
01:58<twiggz>It means it takes my single core less time to open up say...iceweasel.
01:59<twiggz>it also runs the free fps game nexuiz faster than both of these dual core desktops i have alongside it...
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01:59<twiggz>with the same gma950 graphics.
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02:00<k-man>when i try and access my mediawiki page, firefox tries to download the page as x-httpd-php as a file
02:01<k-man>instead of rendering the page
02:01<Appl6>twiggz: Wow man, what a scientific experiment. I'm sure you realize that you have no real point, so I'll stop.
02:01<twiggz>an old dell 8400 dimension machine with a mediocre nvidia fx5500 256mb pci card _should_ be able to run the game with higher settings ..and its a 2.8ghz single core...but is slow as hell..
02:01<And1>Hey folks, is there anything wrong with 'Cmnd_Alias FOO = /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d $daemon'? "Sorry, user and1 is not allowed to execute '/usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d $daemon stop' as root on $hostname"... (I just replaced "/etc/init.d/" with "/usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d " in my sudoers file.)
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02:01<twiggz>yet my lowley 2.66ghz single core with onboard graphics with not even a comparable amount of video ram runs the game faster..
02:02<twiggz>with better settings might i add.
02:02<twiggz>same hdds, mobos, type and amount of ram...
02:03<Scynix>twiggz: There are a lot of -games- that can use multiple cores now. But yeah, I know what you mean. One of my boxes has an old single core processor and it gets better numbers on the game server it hosts (which should be worse with the load) than my friends quad machine.
02:03<twiggz>yet the single core outdoes the dual cores.
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02:04<k-man>it seems as though apache is not parsing mediawiki as php - how can i debug why?
02:04<jm_>can it handle other .php files, say simple phpinfo() page?
02:04<k-man>jm_: my local wordpress site is working
02:05<k-man>jm_: squirrelmail is not
02:05<jm_>k-man: try the phpinfo one on the same site as your wiki
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02:06<seanius>doesn't the dpkg bot have a hint fo rthat
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02:07<Nazcafan>Is there a way to get back the former gnome icons ?
02:07<Nazcafan>I think the new ones have a too low constrast
02:07<k-man>jm_: phpinfo.php works - index.php in the same directory does not
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02:08<seanius>k-man: test with wget instead of your web browser
02:08<k-man>ah, good idea
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02:09<jm_>k-man: or HEAD and check what it says for content-type
02:09<seanius>!php wants me to download
02:09<dpkg>The usual problem is your browser caching the content, so make sure you cleared your browser cache and restarted your browser and also verify that it's still a problem outside of your browser using wget, GET, curl, telnet, netcat etc. Do make sure you have carefully read <install php> and /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz as well as many common problems are addressed. See also
02:09<seanius>yeah, that's the one
02:10<k-man>seanius, jm_ that is it exactly - thanks for pointing me in the right direction
02:11<k-man>and well spotted
02:11<k-man>pats on the back all round :)
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02:11<jm_>it's nice when this is the problem ;)
02:12<k-man>thanks to both of you for helping me too :)
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02:14<netskillsii>hello everyone, need help on getting Cairo installed on Debian Lenny. I am getting the following message "No plug-in were found" once i click the check mark application closes.
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02:15<k-man>what is Cairo?
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02:17<netskillsii>animated application launch bar!
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02:20*twiggz facepalms
02:20<twiggz>cairo is a software library used to provide a vector graphics-based, device-independent API for software developers.
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02:21<twiggz>its amazing what google can do...even for a 31 year old drunk with to many bills like me.
02:21*twiggz knows how to use wiki and google when drunk
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02:22<Hzop>i compiling kernel source, meet following errors:
02:22<Hzop> kernel-wedge copy-modules 2.6.34-rc1 generic 2.6.34-rc1-generic
02:22<Hzop> kernel-wedge copy-firmware 2.6.34-rc1 generic 2.6.34-rc1-generic
02:22<Hzop> kernel-wedge find-dups 2.6.34-rc1-generic
02:22<Hzop>find: `debian/serial-modules-2.6.34-rc1-generic-di': No such file or directory
02:22<Hzop>serial-modules-2.6.34-rc1-generic-di will be empty
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02:25<twiggz>you know that visa card commercial where the guys tossing a pizza around? I dont know if I would want to eat a pizza that rolled off a guys dirty ass chefs coat...
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02:25<twiggz>there are cleaner ways to toss a pizza without making it rub all over your dirty clothes
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02:32<twiggz>cigarretes and whiskeeeyyy and wild wild womeen they drive you crazzyyyyy cigarettes and whiskey theyll drive you insaaaaaaane
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02:32<ignotusp>twiggz: hi)
02:33<twiggz>hello there!
02:33<ignotusp>twiggz: what did you drink?)
02:33<twiggz>i got some new microbrew beers tonight...local to the US...
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02:34<twiggz>Mendocino Blue Heron Pale Ale.... sorry for long link...
02:35<twiggz>i am to lazy to use a url shortener.
02:35<twiggz>sue me.
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02:35<twiggz>Its not great, but drinkable. Not the best pale ale Ive ever had.
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02:35<ignotusp>twiggz: click it: :)
02:36<emopart>it would be "too"
02:36<twiggz>my full gallery...ionly started photoing and reviewing a few months ago..
02:36<emopart>if you can't spell you shouldn't review
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02:36<ignotusp>twiggz: omg
02:36<twiggz>im sure everyone here knows a beer or two here.
02:36<twiggz>your god?
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02:37<twiggz>IM sorry, emopart, should you not be slitting your own wrists in protest of some ignorant shit instead of playing grammar police?
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02:38<emopart>lrn2use commas
02:38<twiggz>irc doesnt need comas.
02:38<ignotusp>all right, I must go to univ. bye
02:38<twiggz>or assholes like you.
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02:39<elky>seriously uncool, twiggz.
02:39<twiggz>Being an asshole about grammar is oh so cool.
02:39<twiggz> (sarcasm)
02:39<emopart>taking irc seriously is cool tho
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02:39<elky>It's certainly not as bad as telling someone to go top themselves.
02:39<twiggz>You certainly seem to be.
02:39<emopart>i trolled you in two lines
02:40<emopart>obv. you got issues
02:40<twiggz>Admitting you trolled me means you have issues...go outside sometime.
02:40<emopart>getting angry means you have issues
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02:40<twiggz>Noones angry here.
02:40<twiggz>You are quite amusing.
02:40<emopart>nice turn around
02:41<twiggz>I am 31, not a kid. I have a kid, 2 dogs, a cat, and so many fish i cant count. Not to mention my own house, 8 computers in my house, and a little slave i pay 5 bucks a week to cut my grass.
02:41<twiggz>I dont need grammar to do all of that.
02:42<emopart>i'm glad you feel you need to tell me about your life
02:42<emopart>i don't really care
02:42<twiggz>So yeah, you go play grammar police somewhere else.
02:42<Ganneff>now, both of you stop that and either staay silent or get back to debian topic
02:43<twiggz>Im with that.
02:43<twiggz>scuse me, i forgot a '
02:43<emopart>^ angry
02:43<twiggz>done now?
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02:45<emopart> twiggz []
02:45<twiggz>it can paste.
02:45*twiggz not impressed
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02:45<@Ganneff>twiggz: shutup
02:45<twiggz>I was shutting up.
02:46<elky>Hmm, my dictionary needs updating then.
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02:46<twiggz>Perhaps it does.
02:46<twiggz>Hi, elky, lets be friends :)
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02:47<elky>twiggz, nah, I don't make friends with people who tell others to go slit their wrists.
02:47<twiggz>Fair enough.
02:48<amitz>it's gonna be funny if someone comes in and ask "can someone help me setup bla" ;-)
02:49<twiggz>Why would that be funny?
02:49<elky>It'd actually mean this channel is on topic for once.
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02:50<twiggz>It would*
02:50<amitz>and it should be set up. ;-)
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02:51<nostmith_>"can someone help me setup bla" just for the fun of quoting it. but on the other hand can anyone help me with a default xorg.conf?
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02:51<twiggz>run X -configure as root
02:52<twiggz>and follow the instructions.
02:52<nostmith_>not working.
02:52<twiggz>what version of debian?
02:52<twiggz>and did you disable gdm or kdm or whatever before you tried this?
02:53<nostmith_>sid, letme try again then...
02:53<twiggz>what login manager if you are using one?
02:54<twiggz> /etc/init.d/gdm stop
02:54<nostmith_>erm, same thing. segmentation fault. using gdm, but atm am in console
02:54<twiggz>then try it
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02:54<nostmith_>done that already
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02:55<amol112>hi all while compiling alsa-tools getting error as macro `AM_PATH_LD10K1' not found in library
02:55<twiggz>you must either have a funky ass video card/chipset or gdm isnt stopped.
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02:56<twiggz>X -configure as root has never failed me on stable, sid, or testing.
02:57<amol112>which library package require to install for macro `AM_PATH_LD10K1'
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02:57<twiggz>in fact, i upload gdm themes to gnome-look...i know a little about it..
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02:57<twiggz>i use gdm even though im an openbox type of man :)
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02:57<jm_>nostmith_: did you look in xorg logfile without xorg.conf to see what goes wrong?
02:58<nostmith_>twiggz, i did stop gdm and is just a geforce 6200, quite old actually. first time when X configure fails me on sid
02:58<twiggz>i used a url shortener!
02:58<amol112>i have installed libgtk1.2-dev libgtk12.0-dev
02:58<twiggz>my desktop..quite simple.
02:59<twiggz>sid is known for failing
02:59<nostmith_>i know
02:59<twiggz>testing is much more safe to use.
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02:59<twiggz>this is why an unstable (sid) iso is not provided.
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03:00<snogglethorpe>"sid is known for failing"...?
03:00<se7en>twiggz: where is the wallpaper from?
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03:01<twiggz>se7en: its from my favorite ps2 game... TENCHU: Fatal Shadows ...the characters name is Ayame... I created a gdm theme for the alternate character on the game named Rin...
03:02<twiggz>my artwork sucks.
03:02<twiggz>i know.
03:03<twiggz>but if you would like the background, ill dcc it.
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03:03<twiggz>I plan to make a gdm theme out of it if you steal my idea, i will hunt you down :P
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03:03<se7en>don't worry :) twiggz
03:05<twiggz>my glass is empty, this is unacceptable..i dont need to dcc this to you...i wouldnt want you to feel violated...ill upload it to this dumb site..its free but it works.
03:05<se7en>i am not a fan of gdm always use kde
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03:06<twiggz>kde4 looks like a retarded 5 year old drew it with a fat toddler crayon, and it runs slower than a somalian with one leg chasing the ice cream man uphill.
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03:09<nostmith_>so, anyone kind enough to paste a default xorg.conf? looking at the logs it seems that X tries to load more than 1 driver. if anyone really wants to look at the log, i can paste it.
03:10<jm_>it's perfectly normal for it to load several drivers
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03:13<nostmith_>here's the log, http://paste/
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03:22<jm_>nostmith_: your problem is that the server crashes, so try forcing it to load nv driver only (it's rather weird that it can't figure out this on its own)
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03:23<nostmith_>jm_ i was thinking at the same ting, that's why i asked for a default xorg.conf
03:23<jm_>nostmith_: there is no default one, just write your own
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03:30<nathanblogs>Anyone know how to fix the issue where 'pecl install pdo' make is failing
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03:33<nathanblogs>install log:
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04:23<tamara>Hello. I have a problem, removed from my Lenny, and installed the new one. My problem is that I can't make file associations with .doc documents, because they are of "unknown type". How can I define these documents?
04:23<tamara>thank you in advance
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04:43<matth>do you guys know a simple way to let user B access X ressources of user A
04:43<matth>i.e i'm in X session of user A, and would like to start xclock with the identify of user B
04:44<jmm>matth: use xhost +
04:44<jmm>then su :)
04:44<matth>jmm: isn't it allowin for everybody ? and a big security issue
04:44<matth>I just want user B not the world
04:44<jmm>yea it's not secure in any way.
04:45<jmm>but you can specify a user , like xhost +bob
04:45<matth>mmh okay seems better :)
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04:45<cahoot> sux is a wrapper around the standard su command which will transfer your X credentials to the target user.
04:46<jmm>cahoot: oh lol you're talking about some software.
04:46<hilcl>@tamara: in Thunar right-click a ".doc" file -> select "Properties..." -> in the "General" tab change the application in "Open With" to Writer
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04:47<matth>cahoot: it's excellent, maybe better
04:47<matth>thx for both ideas
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04:48<matth>I'm net sandboxing a process via specific --uid iptables command
04:48<jmm>sound freaky.
04:48<jmm>I never used this.
04:48<matth>it's skype.
04:48<matth>nothing is freaky against skype.
04:49<matth>or you must check how they try to protect their binary
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04:57<disposable>my knetworkmanager says Unmanaged when ihover my mouse over it or click it. however network-manager is running and according to daemon.log it is working (NetworkManager: <info> (eth0): carrier now ON (device state 1)). i've purged and reinstalled the whole thing, but i'm still getting the same problem. what should i look for?
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05:02<disposable>tamara: you should be able to right-click on a .doc file and set Open With to /usr/bin/soffice
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05:50<swapy>i have made 1 script but to execute it it will require root authentication for startup
05:50<swapy>how can i do it
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05:52<chlin>sudo ./
05:52<swapy>i have 3 commands and i want that they must auto execute at startup
05:52<chlin>but you may need to grant execute privilege for that user.
05:52<swapy>how can i do it
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05:53<azeem>read up on sudo
05:53<azeem>also, it's not clear what you mean with "startup"
05:53<swapy>sudo ifconfig eth0 down
05:53<swapy>sudo ifconfig eth0 hw ether ab3de3gdtg
05:53<swapy>sudo ifconfig eth0 up
05:53<azeem>do you mean system boot?
05:53<dpkg>/etc/init.d/ is where most Debian startup scripts go. To add your own, copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to /etc/init.d/myscript and make it do the appropriate thing on start and stop, at least. Then "update-rc.d myscript defaults". See "man update-rc.d" and /usr/share/doc/sysvinit and /etc/init.d/README. Also ask me about <rc.local> <runlevel>. See also <missing lsb tags>
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05:53<swapy>now how can i create script for these 3 commands i gave ?
05:54<dpkg>[script] This refers to a group of commands usually stored in a file and run one at a time so that you don't have to type them in one at a time. Script is the newer, sexier term for batch. Don't talk about batch files anymore! It's all scripts and scripting languages. We're on the INTERNET, for goodness' sake!
05:54<jm_>that can be done from the interfaces file
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05:57<azeem>swapy: man interfces
05:57<azeem>swapy: man interfaces
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07:40<handjob>Hi. I have question regarding apt. I insalled lxde and let's say fucked some settings of it. I wanted to purge it and install again so everything restors to default. sudo apt-get remove --purge etc. and after installing it again I find the previous setting actuall which is kind a bad thing. I thoung --purge would remove configuration files. Help
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07:41<themill>handjob: settings in $HOME or settings in /etc?
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07:42<handjob>To be honest I didin't cheacked that. I tought by default there would be stored in ~/. Does --purge works on only one of thoes directories?
07:42<Gromitt>handjob: try to remove .config in your $HOME directoy. LXDE and the related applications are saving their configuration there.
07:43<Gromitt>handjob: apt-get --purge removes the systemwide configurations in /etc, if are they exists.
07:43<handjob>Thank You both.
07:43<handjob>I will check it raight away.
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07:47<quique>hi. i'm trying to install rails from sid, but got a problem.
07:47<quique>please see
07:47<quique>what should i do?
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07:49<the-dude>what would you guys suggest for building a local mirror, deb-mirror or apt-mirror ?
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08:51<miguel>HOLA GILIPOLLAS
08:51<dpkg>Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en Ahi recibira mas soporte.
08:51<miguel>y si no kiero
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09:09<rogier_>Hello, i've got this system my housemate set up. It connect to a wireless network, and then makes this into a new wireless netwerk. This normaly works fine, it can pick between 2 netwerks automaticly. Now it had picked the wrong one (there is no internet there at the moment). I don understand how i can change to the other netwerk. There is no network manager graphical thingy as i;m just to. If i do ifconfig i get essid: name of the netwerk i do
09:09<rogier_>n want. How do i change to the other netwerk using the terminal.
09:09<tumbabierta>man iwconfig
09:10<rogier_> i used iwconifg wlan2 essid: "nameofnetworkiwanted"
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09:11<Appl6>rogier_: No colon.
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09:12<rogier_>is this the normano luck
09:12<rogier_>ow sorrym typo. I tried without semicolon. No luck
09:13<tumbabierta>what's the output that iwconfig produces?
09:13<rogier_>all of it?
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09:13<rogier_>the pc with the problem is not connected
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09:14<rogier_>i'll copy paste with usb stick. Hold on, be right back.
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09:25<rogier__>root@kutkind:/home/kutkind# iwconfig
09:25<rogier__>lo no wireless extensions.
09:25<rogier__>eth0 no wireless extensions.
09:25<rogier__>wlan2 IEEE 802.11bg ESSID:"SpeedTouchFE7511"
09:25<rogier__> Mode:Managed Frequency:2.472 GHz Access Point: 00:14:7F:34:54:82
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09:26<rogier__>how to post iwconifg output in this discussion?
09:27<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
09:27<maikel>doesn't the mode have to be auto instead of managed?
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09:29<rogier__>if i can change essid to a different network it should work again
09:29<rogier__>i can try, how do i put in auto?
09:29<maikel>nvm thats something completely else
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09:30<maikel>well i dont really know if it works
09:30<maikel>try adding "mode auto" to your command line command
09:30<rogier__>"iwconfig mode auto"?
09:31<maikel>iwconifg wlan2 essid mode auto "nameofnetowrk"
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09:32<rogier__>unknown command "auto"
09:33<azeem>I think "managed" is fine
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09:35<swapy>hi all
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09:35<swapy>rogier__, its auto-eth0
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09:36<swapy>rogier__, sorry sorry i am wrong
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09:36<swapy>try --auto
09:36<maikel>rogier__: does the network have encryption?
09:36<dpkg>The wireless-tools package provides utilities for manipulating Linux Wireless Extensions, including iwconfig and iwlist. It also provides wireless-* ifupdown hooks to /etc/network/interfaces, read /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian for more information. To connect to networks which use WPA encryption, ask me about <wpa>.
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09:37<swapy>rogier__, try this in terminal man iwconfig
09:37<dpkg>wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian systems in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired (especially "Troubleshooting" regarding association to hidden SSIDs). Debian-Installer does not support WPA at this time; see also <nowpa>.
09:38<rogier__>going to read iwconfig on the other pc. wpa is not the problem i think, the passwords are rememberd on the system.
09:42<rogier__>oke, so if i set parameter essid (iwconifg wlan2 essid "disired network"). Do i set the netwerk i want to connect to or the name of the computer in the network?
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09:43<maikel>network you want to connect to
09:45<rogier__>oke, doesn't seem to work. I tried the command. With and without "" around the network name. Is it sensitive to capitals?
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09:47<rogier__>oke! i changed to the other network. Hope it works.
09:47<maikel>you can use the ping command to check it quickly
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09:48<rogier__>did iwconfig again and it already changed back to the bad network
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09:50<maikel>try doing it with sudo
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09:50<rogier__>iwconfig wlan2 essid nameofnetwork or iwconifg wlan2 essid "nameofnetwork" ?
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09:51<maikel>the last is better
09:51<maikel>do you know how sudo works?
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09:52<rogier__>if ido it now the root@kutkind:/home/kutkind# part doesn;t come back
09:53<maikel>oh wait you're already root so it's useless
09:53<rogier__>yes but is sudo necessary when in terminal als root (su command)
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09:54<maikel>try manually adding the network key
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09:55<maikel>no it isnt neccessary
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09:55<maikel>sudo just executes a command as root
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09:55<maikel>instead of su which changes your terminal into a root one
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09:56<rogier__>oke is i do the iwconfig essid command it "thinks" for a while. Then after lets say 15 seconds the prompt comes back. I try iwconfig and the "bad" network is still connected. Or maybe it tries to connect to the "good" network, failes and goes back to the "bad". I do have internet connection again (on the slow network).
09:57<amitz>what's the recommended webcam app for debian squeeze? cheese?
09:57<rogier__>now sudo, on a ubuntu computer at the moment
09:57<rogier__>i know sudo,
09:57<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
09:58<maikel>sudo doesnt matter if you're already in a root shell
09:58<maikel>which you were
09:58<dpkg>[sudo] (Substitute User DO) better than su, according to talon. Not enabled by default on Debian systems; configure /etc/sudoers first, ask me about <visudo>. sudo can give limited super user privileges to specific users, or allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program"., or <sudoers>
09:58<TrueNhero>how can i reduce resolution without upscaling?
09:58<maikel>try adding key networkpasswordhere at the end of the command line
09:59<rogier__>yes i understand the su and sudo. I'm talking to you from a laptop with ubuntu. Because the debian pc is not cennected.
09:59<cahoot>resolution of what?
09:59<swapy>maikel, how to go in su ? it says authentication failure if i give password that i gave to sudo
09:59<TrueNhero>cahoot, 800x600 with black frame
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09:59<jordanm>swapy: what does uname -a say?
09:59<rogier__>but connection is back. Guess the "good" network is just offline .
09:59<swapy>Linux swapy-desktop 2.6.32-21-generic #32-Ubuntu SMP Fri Apr 16 08:10:02 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
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10:00<swapy>jordanm, now what ?
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10:00<jordanm>swapy: your in the wrong channel. you are looking for #ubuntu on
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10:00<swapy>yes i know but commands are same man
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10:00<jordanm>swapy: we do not support ubuntu here
10:00<swapy>i want command irrespective of os
10:00<swapy>ohh sorry i am in debian
10:00<jordanm>swapy: then go to ##linux on
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10:02<maikel>swapy: weird that worked on older versions of ubuntu
10:02<rogier__>how do i get the buttons in debian on the normal place (left like ubuntu)?
10:03<rogier__>just kidding. Going to work on the terminal some more, interesting stuff.
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10:03<jordanm>rogier__: dmesg might provide info about failed associations
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10:03<swapy>maikel, ok tell me is debian same as ubuntu and does it support deb packages directly
10:04<rogier__>i think itś working correct again. Just bad network connections. (it's from the neighbours )
10:04<maikel>its not the same (su - works fine under debian for example)
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10:04<maikel>and what do you mean with "support deb pckages" directly
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10:05<rogier__>can i use su under ubuntu and sudo under debian?
10:06<maikel>you should ask in a ubuntu support channel, i dont know
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10:06<maikel>sudo isnt enabled by default
10:06<maikel>in debian
10:07<rogier__>can i just use sudo under debian?
10:07<rogier__>oke so not normally?
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10:07<dpkg>[sudo] (Substitute User DO) better than su, according to talon. Not enabled by default on Debian systems; configure /etc/sudoers first, ask me about <visudo>, <sudoers>. sudo can give limited super user privileges to specific users, or allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program".
10:07<jordanm>rogier__: if you install and configure it
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10:08<maikel>yeah thats one of the first things i did when i installed debian a few years ago so i forgot it isnt enabled by default
10:08<maikel>sorry about that
10:08<rogier__>oke, clear
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10:16<Sol>can, anyone tell me, how to mount my second HDD, on debian, it says i dont have enough privileges
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10:17<maikel>use su - to change your terminal into a root terminal
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10:17<Sol>and than ? i was thinking off gksu + file browser, but i dont know the command to start file browser from the terminal :S
10:18<maikel>what kind of hdd is it? usb?
10:18<Sol>its my second 500gb sata hdd
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10:19<Sol>someone, told me this could be done automactilly, everythime the pc is started :S, but i have no idea how...
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10:20<maikel>do you know the name of the hdd in the /dev/ folder
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10:21<Sol>Disk /dev/sdb: 500.1 GB, 500106780160 bytes
10:21<Sol>i did, fdisk -l
10:21<tonio>de onde eres tu
10:22<Sol>do not interupt please toino
10:22<dpkg>Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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10:23<dpkg>Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
10:23<maikel>try mount /dev/sdb /your/mount/point/here
10:23<dbvolio>how to install centova 2.2 ??
10:23<dbvolio>theyr support is bugged
10:23<dbvolio>not working theyr way:((
10:24<Sol>your/mount/point/here , i dont understand this :S
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10:24<Sol>h2o:/home/jorge# mount /dev/sdb
10:24<Sol>mount: can't find /dev/sdb in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
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10:25<maikel>its the folder where you want the HDD's root directory to appear
10:25<maikel>what filesystem are you using
10:25<Sol>the hdd is on fat32
10:25<Sol>that second hdd is formated on fat
10:26<maikel>oh hold on a bit
10:27<maikel>mount -t vfat /dev/sdb /your/mount/point/here
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10:28<hutty>Hi all
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10:28<hutty>when I start a program I get this error message......
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10:29<hutty>opps that wrong
10:29<hutty>"/etc/init.d/functions: No such file or directory"
10:30<locklace>!tell hutty about how to ask
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10:31<hutty>and when I look in the init.d directory there is no functions file
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10:33<hutty>where do I install this file from?
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10:33<locklace>!how to ask
10:33<dpkg>When asking for help, begin by stating your version of Debian, your platform/architecture, the exact piece of software you're having trouble with, and the type and model of any hardware components involved. If you're getting an error, quote the exact message. Help us help you by being as specific as possible. See also <smart questions> and <doesn't work>.
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10:34<hutty>Im using ubuntu lucid on amd64
10:35<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
10:35<Sol>on debian, i have file browser and nautilus, on nautilus my second hdd doesnt show, but on file broswer yes, how can i sudo file browser ?
10:35<maikel>you need to mount it using my command
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10:36<maikel>then it'll show
10:36<Sol>maikel i dont understand that second part, your/mouint/point
10:36<Sol>thats, why i was trying this way, im sorry
10:36<hutty>ah ok then thanks
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10:36<maikel>for example /media/secondhdd or /home/user/Desktop/secondhdd
10:36<maikel>its where you want to disk to appear on your filesystem
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10:38<Sol>oh, i see, so, mount /dev/sd1 /media/secondhdd
10:38<Sol>like this ?
10:38<dbvolio>need help to configure MySQL, Apache, and PHP for my server
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10:38<maikel>make sure to add -t vfat before the directories
10:38<dbvolio>who can help me plsss
10:38<jordanm>dbvolio: what are you having problems with?
10:38<maikel>mount -t vfat /dev/sd1 /media/secondhdd
10:38<jordanm>maikel: that should be auto-detected in most cases
10:38<el>quien eres
10:38<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
10:38<maikel>its sata
10:38<dbvolio>i'm a begginer lvl of using debian
10:39<maikel>are you sure?
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10:39<dbvolio>so i don't really know what to configure at them
10:39<Sol>maikel, did not work :S
10:39<jordanm>maikel: I can't recall ever needing to specify a filesystem type for a local drive that was not currpt..
10:39<dbvolio>it just don't want to open my php scripts
10:39<dbvolio>my browser shows a blank page
10:39<maikel>Sol: what error message does it give
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10:40<dbvolio>i think i missted a setting or something
10:40<Sol>i did, sudo /mount/dev/ /home/h2o/Desktop/secondhhd
10:40<Sol>nothing happen
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10:40<el>haw are you
10:41<dbvolio>i hit apt-get install mysql-server apache2 php5 php5-gd php5-mysql php5-cli
10:41<jordanm>Sol: that means it works, it only displays info when it fails
10:41<maikel>uh something should have happened
10:41<Sol>still cant acess it, and its not showing on my desktop :S
10:41<el>exsuse me were is a bancvk
10:41<jordanm>Sol: although, the command you just gave could not possibly work
10:41<maikel>jordanm: never know that about mount, i thought it gets the info from fstab if -t isnt specified
10:41<jordanm>Sol: there is no command called "/mount/dev/"
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10:42<jordanm>maikel: it can do that as well, but it can also detect and choose the correct filesystem types
10:42<jordanm>Sol: the command is called "mount" or "/bin/mount"
10:43<el>how are you
10:43<jordanm>Sol: you somehow were trying to catenate the command with the path to the device
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10:43<dpkg>Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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10:43<Sol>jordanm so, i did sudo /bin/sdb1/
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10:44<el>what's your name
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10:44<maikel>tpye sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /home/h2o/Desktop/secondhhd
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10:44<maikel>or something like that
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10:46<Sol>YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU GUYS ROCK!!!!!!!!!
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10:46<Sol>i did and i past it so you all can see, sudo mount /dev/sdb1/ /home/jorge/Desktop/
10:47<Sol>and know i have it on my desktop!!!!!!!!! you guys are great thank you all!
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10:48<maikel>okay now you need to edit /etc/fstab to make it mount on start up
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10:48<Sol>how do i do that maikel ?
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10:48<Sol>gedit /etc/fstab ?
10:48<maikel>open it will a text editor
10:48<jordanm>Sol: man fstab
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10:48<maikel>and then read the manpage for it
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10:48<jordanm>Sol: you should be able to mostly figure it out just from looking what is already in the file...
10:48<Sol>home/jorge# fstab
10:48<Sol>bash: fstab: command not found
10:49<maikel>gedit /etc/fstab
10:49<jordanm>Sol: I starting to think you are doing that on purpose...
10:49<Sol>no im not, im on painkillers, for my back, im a little down today, sorry guys
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10:50<Sol> <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> <pass>
10:50<Sol>proc /proc proc defaults 0 0
10:50<Sol>/dev/sda1 / ext3 errors=remount-ro 0 1
10:50<Sol>/dev/sda5 none swap sw 0 0
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10:50<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
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10:51<maikel>you need to add a new new line with the info for your HDD
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10:51<maikel>if you compare the lines with the mount command you should be able to figure it out
10:51<Sol>wait i can do it, i can!!
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10:51<maikel>mount /dev/sdb1 /home/h2o/Desktop/secondhhd
10:52<Sol>yes i did that, do i need to write anything beneath type ?
10:52<maikel>be sure to specify vfat as type
10:52<Sol>options dum and pass ?
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10:53<maikel>pff i think you can safely set them both to 0
10:53<maikel>check the manpage
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10:54<Sol>beneath options ?
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10:54<maikel>should be fine
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10:55<maikel>check if it looks okay and reboot your system, it should auto-mount it
10:55<Sol>thats how it looks know
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10:56<Sol>gonna reboot. see you all in a second :D
10:56<maikel>hold on
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10:56<maikel>he tried mounting it as his Desktop dir
10:57<jordanm>not just that... a non-valid drive to his desktop dir
10:58<maikel>didnt notice the typo
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10:58<Sol>it did not work, under reboot, i saw the system saying mount sdb1 etc failed.
10:58<jordanm>Sol: your drive is not valid and your mount point is incorrect
10:59<jordanm>Sol: there is no sdb drive
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10:59<jordanm>err sbd, which is what you put
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10:59<Sol>/dev/sbd1 /home/jorge/Desktop vfat defaults 0 0
10:59<maikel>change the line to /dev/sdb1 /home/jorge/Desktop/secondhdd vfat defaults 0 0
10:59<jordanm>Sol: that mount point will work... but any files that are currently in ~/Desktop will become inaccessible
11:00<jordanm>Sol: I know what it say, I just told oyu what is wrong.. why are oyu pasting?
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11:00<Sol>u said, sdb i wrote sdb1
11:00<maikel>no you made a typo
11:00<Sol>sorry sorry
11:01<maikel>"/dev/sbd1" instead of "/dev/sdb1"
11:01<Sol>jordanm i change it to yours, i haded secondhdd
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11:01<Sol>maikel now i see, ok sorry
11:01<maikel>what does the line look like now?
11:02<maikel>yeah that looks fine
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11:03<maikel>try rebooting
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11:05<Sol>did not worked, while reboting, got an error, doesnt not exist failed.
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11:07<Sol>what was the command line, to se the descriptions off my hdds on terminal ? something -l
11:07<maikel>fdisk -l ?
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11:08<Sol>im so stupid o wrotte sdb1 instead off sdb
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11:27<Sol>:( :( :( now the hdd is mounted everytime my pc starts. wow! but i cant send anything to it. no permission
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11:34<ml|>dpkg: vfatrw
11:34<dpkg>To get write access to a <vfat> partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,user,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id".
11:34<ml|>Sol: ^
11:35<Sol>m:( yes
11:35<Sol>jorge@h2o:~$ id
11:35<Sol>uid=1000(jorge) gid=1000(jorge) groups=20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),44(video),46(plugdev),110(netdev),115(powerdev),1000(jorge)
11:35<Sol>sorry for the paste :(
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11:53<emixam>hello, there's a problem with my hard disk, when i type df -h /dev/sdc1, i get
11:53<emixam>/dev/sdc1 917G 870G 608M 100% /media/fat_freddy
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11:54<amphi>what problem, the 0% free? that's the space allocated for root, I expect
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11:55<ml|>what amphi just said +1 ;)
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11:58<ml|>emixam: do 'dump2fs /dev/sdc1 | grep -i 'Block count' will show you the reserved blocks; usually 5% of disk space
11:59<Sol>how to obtain owner permission on a mounted hdd ???
12:00<dondelelcaro>Sol: which filesystem?
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12:17<emixam>m11: can i change the reserved blocks value?
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12:18<emixam>(without formatting of course)
12:18<old>emixam: `tune2fs -m <value>` if I remember well.
12:18<ml|>yes, is it a data drive?
12:18<raneesh>any one know any linux supporting calling software
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12:19<old>emixam: Better read `man tune2fs`.
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12:19<raneesh>anybody can tell name
12:19<emixam>i'm gonna do it, thanks for help!
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12:19<ml|>emixam: like old just said tune2fs -m# /dev/...
12:19<ml|>I would leave 1% just incase
12:20<amphi>better to delete some cruft
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12:20<ml|>that too
12:21<ml|>but for such a large disk 1% should be fine, plus it's for data
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12:21<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
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12:23<r0nin>hah who cares
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12:25<old>I always set 1% for not-/var and 0% for home. Haven't failed me yet.
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12:26<r0nin>im gonna LoL now just becuase apparently locklace hates it
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12:28<ml|>I leave 1% for non / stuff just incase and 0% when drive is really small
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12:35<Katy>Hi! Install documentation says I should feed some big file to /dev/null to speed up generating encryption keys. Which command feeds a file?
12:36<locklace>cat file > /dev/null
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12:38<Katy>oh, help does not show cat, so I thought I can't use it. Thanks!
12:39<old>Katy: Is that possible? Where is this documentation?
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12:40<jordanm>old: yes, I have seen other documentation that suggests randoming typing keys...
12:40<Katy>old: Nearly at the end of Configuring Encrypted Volumes
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12:42<old>Katy, jordan: Good to know. Thanks.
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12:48<Father0fNine>Does Debian have available to it a robust spam filter that can replace my failing barracuda? The barracuda seems to do a better job than spamassassin -- but that might be how things are configured.
12:49<Father0fNine>If debian does not, is anyone aware of something not-packaged that would likely work with Debian?
12:49<Father0fNine>Failing that, are there any good How-Tos or documents on using Debian to filter spam?
12:50<old>Father0fNine: I know only spamassassin, bogofilter and bsfilter...
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12:51<Father0fNine>old: thank you. Are you familiar with any of those packages? And Barracuda? What's the difference? Barracuda, right now, is trapping 50,000+ pieces of spam a day for us.
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12:55<old>Father0fNine: As I said before I don't know Barracuda. I use bogofilter with my claws-mail, but it does not catch all the spam, and it sometimes fails to recognise non-spam (ham - is that how they call it?) for me. Maybe it's because it had little time to learn (I switched from Icedove not so long ago. In fact its filter was better I think.).
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13:01<Rapsodius>Where is the manual for gcc compiler?
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13:01<old>Rapsodius: `man gcc` does not work?
13:02<old>Rapsodius: `apt-get install gcc-doc` will solve it perhaps...
13:02<Rapsodius>No manual entry for gcc
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13:07<dpkg>The man pages for <gcc> are in the package gcc-doc which is in non-free. It's in non-free because it is released under the GFDL with invariant sections so the package does not meet the DFSG. Ask me about <non-free>, <gfdl> and <dfsg>. If you are looking for man pages for printf, strchr etc then get manpages-dev.
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13:08<dpkg>hmm... non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see
13:08<dpkg>[gfdl] The GNU "Free" Documentation License, considered <non-free> by Debian in some cases. Read the discussion at and . See the position statement at and resolution at
13:08<themill>maikel: you can /msg dpkg
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13:12<EmleyMoor>Do I need to do anything to make active a change I made in /etc/modprobe.d?
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13:13*EmleyMoor complies and doesn't help <g>
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13:18<yur4kh4>hi all
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13:32<mercutio22>Java is not working in iceweasel.. how can I diagnose the problem? Tried Got
13:33<themill>mercutio22: squeeze?
13:33<jordanm>looks like it.. Network is unreachable
13:33<mercutio22>themill: yes. I now tried java from sid and still get the same error
13:33<themill>!java ipv6
13:33<dpkg>As of netbase 4.38, net.ipv6.bindv6only=1 is set, see . This currently breaks networking in Java for sun-java6-jdk (openjdk-6 is fixed as of version 6b18~pre1-3), see for solutions. In short, sed -i 's/net.ipv6.bindv6only = 1/net.ipv6.bindv6only = 0/' /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf ; invoke-rc.d procps restart.
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13:39<mercutio22>themill: thanks a bunch
13:40<mercutio22>it works
13:40<themill>:) np
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14:32<opticon>I need help with debian 2 problems first is if I physically try and log onto machine with mouse keyboard display says x and tty1 is only command line used to be gnome login screen not sure what happened. My second problem is I finally have squid working but web urls for dns names cant be located on local network seems like dns problem i checked resolv.conf file my dns server ip is their not sure what to do?
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14:34<opticon>The following error was encountered:
14:34<opticon> Unable to determine IP address from host name for dtctechs
14:35<opticon>more interested in sorting out 2nd issue sooner
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14:40<kop>opticon: Use dig to diagnose dns problems.
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14:41<kop>opticon: dnsutils package
14:42<kop>(I swear I some some utility that claimed to be a faster 'dpkg -S' but now I can't recall what it was.)
14:42<optic>i will look at that now
14:43<kop>opticon: "getent hosts foo" can be used to diagnose resolver problems.
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14:47<Luffy1980>Is there any way to request for a package to be declared orphaned? Or at least to request a check of its condition?
14:48<GandalfTheGrey>Hi there... How can I determine from which package came some file?
14:49<bja>apt-file search "filename"
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14:49<Luffy1980>To be more specific: util-linux and mount(that have the same maintainer) have release critical bugs, but the maintainer is MIA since january: ,
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14:50<locklace>GandalfTheGrey: dpkg -S <file>, or dlocate
14:50<retroj>hello. since a recent update, my video resolution in X has decreased. when i originally installed debian, the native resolution of my monitor was detected automatically. is there a way i can force re-detection?
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14:50<locklace>retroj: your choices are xrandr and editing xorg.conf
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14:52<GandalfTheGrey>thanks locklace!
14:52<retroj>i can use xrandr to set it dynamically.. where would be the appropriate place to put this in my startup procedure?
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14:52<jordanm>Luffy1980: There were instructions of this but I am unable to find them. You must start by emailing the maintainer, asking him what the deal is, and giving him an appropriate ammount of time to respond
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14:53<Luffy1980>jordanm: ok, I'll do that
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15:14<dbldtx>I just recently went on NetFlix and tried to WatchNow a movie -- it said the Operating System wasn't one they supported. Finding this odd since it's not the OS that streams video, I thought it was asking my browser what it was and that my browser was answering back "IceWeasel" where the site wanted it to say "FireFox".
15:15<dbldtx>From there, I installed FireFox via but the SAME problem. What snakes. NetFlix wouldn't let me stream media because I was using Debian Lenny, an OS they do not (WILL NOT) support.
15:15<amphi>dbldtx: just tell a lie it likes in the user-agent header
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15:17<ml|> or do it manually
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15:19<dbldtx>INTERESTING! I shall set up an alternate profile ASAP.
15:19<dbldtx>Thank you, all!
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15:31<cchisogn>how can I reconfigure xorg? dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg does not display a config screen
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15:31<cchisogn>(i'm locked in CLI because an update broke my fglrx driver)
15:31<edbian>Can I run metacity and compiz-fusion at the same time?
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15:34<old>edbian: I think it's not possible to run two window managers simultaneously.
15:34<edbian>that's what I thought
15:34<old>cchisogn: Reconfiguration may not help...
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15:35<cchisogn>old: reconfigure worked in previous releases (could choose another driver). What's the new debian way?
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15:37<old>cchisogn: It seems that xorg stopped to prompt for driver. It autodetects it instead.
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15:37<old>cchisogn: You would switch to radeon and wait. I am not an expert in that matter...
15:38*cchisogn hates autoconfig which automagically fail :-/
15:38<cchisogn>old: ok back to plain old way: I'll edit x config by hand, thanks anyway
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15:38<old>cchisogn: You can also generate a new xorg.conf and check for changes.
15:39<old>cchisogn: `Xorg --configure`.
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15:41<cchisogn>old: thanks. didn't knew that way of generating an initial cfg
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15:45<cchisogn>mmm Xorg-configure generates segmentation faults. Not seen since a long time!
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15:48<old>cchisogn: You mean `Xorg -configure` produces segmentation faults or the config it created makes xorg to crash?
15:48<cchisogn>old: yes Xorg is the culprit
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15:50<old>cchisogn: I'd like to see it, but hard to paste without X... `screendump>>/tmp/something`, but then what?
15:50<Zomb>use w3m, visit and upload the file there
15:50<old>cchisogn: scp-ing it to another machine?
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15:51<OdyX>pastebinit ?
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15:54<dpkg>pastebinit is probably a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; especially convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list" ; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". Default pastebin is currently broken, use e.g. "pastebinit -b"
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16:00<splig>hi there
16:00<splig>except in smb.conf, where can i find more shared folders???
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16:01<cchisogn>man smbclient?
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16:02<splig>i can't find it... time ago i found the file, but not now (usually when one needs it(
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16:02<cchisogn>pastebinit for Xorg segfault:
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16:04<old>cchisogn: "Pre-release version"? Maybe that's the problem... I'd try to get back to an older version.
16:05<old>cchisogn: If you want to try anyway, remove drivers you don't really need.
16:05<cchisogn>my fault. Had a working cfg (nasty proprietary drv). Upgrade, then.. back to cli :-/
16:06<jordanm>cchisogn: I saw that yesterday too. bug report if it is not already
16:06<cchisogn>(new fglrx driver: no supported display adapters found)
16:07<old>cchisogn: SEGV is caused by one of them, so if you'll get rid of at least vmware and i128 it may succeed.
16:08<cchisogn>jordanm: I'll try to fix my cfg manually. Will fill a report later
16:08<jordanm>cchisogn: well, even misconfigured apps should not segfault...
16:08<old>cchisogn: The same for my sister. I cannot set her fglrx up. That's why she uses radeonhd now.
16:08<jordanm>cchisogn: aticonfig --initial
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16:10<cchisogn>... aticonfig: No supported adapters detected ...
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16:11<jordanm>cchisogn: what release are you using?
16:11<jordanm>and what card?
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16:14<old>jordanm: Thank you. I initialised my sister's xorg.conf with this command. I'll wait for her to be able to restart gdm. I hope it'll work.
16:14<cchisogn>testing, ATI radeon mobility X700 (pcie) , acer laptop
16:14<cchisogn>I remember having a hard time setting up the display a long time ago
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16:19<old>cchisogn: Maybe it's not supported with the current driver? Or the driver itself is broken...
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16:20<cchisogn>old: not sure about the free one but previous fglrx drivers were OK (I build them by hand months ago)
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16:20<old>cchisogn: or maybe you have too old kernel for the driver. I don't know, just shooting...
16:22<cchisogn>not very old (2.6.30), but can try a newer one. (or find an old fglrx src package)
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16:23<old>cchisogn: Right. I've confused your kernel with your xorg builder's.
16:24<cchisogn>btw the xorg vmware driver caused the Xorg -configure segfault
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16:36<drexl>any webmasters out there? I have a question.
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16:41<locklace>drexl: as an opening gambit, that totally fails. try again
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16:49<jorge>maikel its solved!!!!
16:50<jorge>i install disk mount from synacptic, and know everythime i reboot, the disk is avaible and i have permissions
16:50<locklace>!congratulate jorge
16:50<dpkg>Woohoo jorge, you did it!
16:50<jorge>one day !!1 one entire day!!! :D :D
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16:51<jorge>i was trying thru /etc/fstab but i never had permission, i read about disk mount and voila, do we have a forum so i can post this ?
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16:52<jordanm>jorge: official documentation is always better than forum howtos. If you see a flaw in existing documentation (or lack of existing documentation), you should see what you can do about contributing to that
16:53<jorge>jordanm do you remember me ? :D i just wanted to tell ppl about this method
16:53<jorge>to help someone else, i saw , so many ppl on google whit my problem...
16:54<jordanm>jorge: if there is a place on the wiki where it would be appropriate, that would be ideal. but yes, there is a forum
16:55<ml|>yes, the wiki and/or
16:55<aiux>what's 'disk mount' ?
16:57<jorge>disk manager on synaptic
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16:57<jorge>i found it while i was trying to format my to ntfs
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16:58<jorge>auto mounts the drive when u reboot.
16:58<aiux>jorge, thanks
16:59<jorge>no problem :p
16:59<ml|>dpkg: info disk-manager
16:59<dpkg>disk-manager: (simple graphical filesystem configurator), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.0.1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 125 kB, Installed size: 856 kB
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17:08<jorge>dpkg: vnc
17:08<dpkg>[vnc] Virtual Network Computing, a platform-independent graphical desktop sharing system (i.e. provides GUI remote access). Server packages in Debian include tightvncserver, vnc4server and x11vnc; "apt-cache search vnc" will turn up many more. Ask me about <vnc setup>, see also <x-not-vnc> for an alternative.
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17:11<shaggy_>Can some one help me out with my sound not working?
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17:11<shaggy_>i tried loading snd_hda_intel, my card is ICH9
17:12<streuner>just try another soundsystem then
17:12<shaggy_>what do you mean another sound system?
17:12<shaggy_>another moduale?
17:12<streuner>shaggy_: Laptop?
17:12<cahoot>shaggy_: don't start messing , try speaker-test -t wav -c2
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17:13<cahoot>shaggy_: sound? error?
17:13<shaggy_>yes sir, dell 1545
17:13<shaggy_>no sound
17:13<shaggy_>no error
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17:14<streuner>shaggy_: some intel stuff is buggy, you have in Debian many choices
17:14<cahoot>shaggy_: ok - as root un /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0, then speaker-test againb
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17:14<shaggy_>how did you do that?
17:14<streuner>shaggy_: by default Debian use ALSA, but there is OSS and Pulseaudio available too
17:15<shaggy_>you sir are are a genious.
17:15<shaggy_>mispelling evident
17:15<shaggy_>so what exactly did that do?
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17:15<streuner>Horner and Zimmer are genious ;-)
17:16<cahoot>shaggy_: /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 unmutes and sets sane levels
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17:16<shaggy_>oh lol
17:16<streuner>just listen to Horners Avatar Score, its just genious, IMO
17:17<maikel>god listens to slayer
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17:17<streuner>and humans listen to Zimmer and Horner ;-)
17:17<ml|>cahoot: nice, that's easier than going thru/checking MM with alsamixer
17:18<shaggy_>yes, thats a good first step.
17:18<shaggy_>reset, sound levels
17:21<shaggy_>course, not that im the linux audio expert!
17:21<locklace>nice. latest squeeze update fucked mplayer
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17:23<ml|>locklace: how? afaict works fine here, last update was a few days ago
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17:25<locklace>they switched it around so it displaces the dmm version
17:25<ml|>1:1.0.rc2svn20100313-0.0 from dmm
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17:27<locklace>!dbugs 579994
17:27<dpkg>#579994:I[mplayer] mplayer: related problem (); Sun, 02 May 2010 21:45:01 UTC []
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17:28<locklace>that should have been "grave" and prevented testing migration
17:29<ml|>don't know if it matters I have mplayer-nogui installed, in testing
17:29<locklace>yeah, actually it does
17:30<locklace>#579994 prevents mplayer from even executing
17:30<ml|>oh, looks that has not made it into testing
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17:31<locklace>it has:
17:31<locklace>but it shouldn't have
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17:32<ml|>ok, in dmm site still shows old version ...
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17:33<locklace>yes, but if you're running squeeze+dmm, the squeeze version now wins
17:33<locklace>(unless you specifically have mplayer-nogui installed since that's only in dmm)
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17:34<locklace>the squeeze version is nogui by default
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17:35<ml|>yes I only have that mplayer-nogui installed and just updated and shows only the old version
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17:37<ml|>thanks for the info tho, will keep my eye on that
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17:52<craigevil>locklace: just grab mplayer from the dmm sid repo, Christian had to raise the version numbering to fix the issues when the debian devs went from 1. to 2.0 in sid
17:53<craigevil>guess he didnt do the same in his testing repo
17:53<themill>,versions mplayer
17:53<judd>mplayer -- etch: 1.0~rc1-12etch5; etch-security: 1.0~rc1-12etch7; lenny: 1.0~rc2-17+lenny3; etch-multimedia: 1:1.0-rc1svn20070225-0.3etch1; lenny-multimedia: 1:1.0.rc2svn20080706-0.1lenny1; squeeze-multimedia: 1:1.0.rc2svn20100313-0.0; sid: 2:1.0~rc3+svn20100502-2; squeeze: 2:1.0~rc3+svn20100502-2; sid-multimedia: 2:1.0~rc3+svn20100503-0.0
17:53<themill>looks like a bit of an epoch arms race
17:54<craigevil>debian sid 2:1.0~rc3+svn20100502-2 0 , dmm sid 2:1.0~rc3+svn20100503-0.0
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17:54<themill>(judd's results are sorted by version, fwiw)
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17:57<cesurasean>does anyone know how come my pidgin does not have an "option" for yahoo to select and use?
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17:57<cesurasean>is this related to ppc version of pidgin or something?
17:58<streuner>dont ask in different channels please
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18:00<jordanm>cesurasean: lot of us like to hang out in both channels
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18:07<cesurasean>which pidgin is stable?
18:08<streuner>surely the one in stable, but that doesnt mean it works nowadays...
18:08<cesurasean>better phrase that one. which one has every protocol added ( ie. yahoo )?
18:09<streuner>well, issues changes many times nowadays...
18:10<streuner>so, pidgin have to answer real quick to those issues...
18:10<themill>cesurasean: do you think the answer will be different on oftc as on freenode?
18:10<cesurasean>themill, no.
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18:10<cesurasean>well, yes, sometimes.
18:10<cesurasean>doesn't one channel have more people in it?
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18:11<streuner>we hanging usually in both channels ;-)
18:11<themill>cesurasean: have you installed the version from and tried it yet?
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18:11<cesurasean>themill, i don't know which version has yahoo in it.
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18:12<streuner>esur: there are some more idlers there, but usually we are here
18:12<streuner>cesurasean: ^^^
18:12<cesurasean>what is the point in using freenode then?
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18:12<streuner>its just a habbit
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18:13<streuner>some people are in FN and most are in both ;-)
18:13<cesurasean>apt-get install pidgin says already newest version
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18:13<cesurasean>how do i install a version which has all working protocols?
18:14<streuner>well, look in #pidgin then
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18:14<streuner>they have solutions about usually
18:14<themill>cesurasean: [23:10] <themill> cesurasean: have you installed the version from and tried it yet?
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18:15<cesurasean>themill, no. how do i do that?
18:16<cesurasean>besides adding the repo, etc.
18:16<cesurasean>i have finished that already
18:16<azeem>cesurasean: by reading what dpkg said at least twice already
18:16<themill>cesurasean: if people tell you to do things and you don't know, please ask rather than just ignoring them. It makes you look stupid and gets them annoyed.
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18:16<cesurasean>themill, ive already done what dpkg told me.
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18:16<themill>cesurasean: the website has instructions on how to do this.
18:17<ml|>cesurasean: for explanation /msg dpkg pidgin yahoo
18:18<cesurasean>i think i understand it now
18:18<streuner>you are welcome
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18:51<kself>cesurasean: backports
18:51<kself>cesurasean: ... sorry, was stuck in scrollback. What streuner said.
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18:52<kself>Speaking of pidgin, any obvious differences between pidgin-encryption, pidgin-otr, and pidgin-privacy-please?
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18:55<jordanm>kself: aptitude show <package>
18:55<jordanm>kself: looks like they add additional functionality to pidgin
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18:55<kself>jordanm: No kidding!!!!!?
18:55*kself had figured that much out.
18:57<jordanm>kself: misunderstood the question... there is #pidgin on
18:57<kself>jordanm: Thanks.
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19:13<cesurasean1>how do i install flash 10 on debian lenny ( with backports ) powerpc version?
19:14<jordanm>,info flashplugin-nonfree --arch powerpc
19:14<judd>No record of package 'flashplugin-nonfree' in lenny/powerpc.
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19:14<jordanm>,info flashplugin-nonfree
19:14<judd>No record of package 'flashplugin-nonfree' in lenny/i386.
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19:15<jordanm>,info flashplugin-nonfree --release lenny-backports --arch powerpc
19:15<judd>No record of package 'flashplugin-nonfree' in lenny-backports/powerpc.
19:15<jordanm>cesurasean1: I don't think adobe makes flash for ppc
19:15<jordanm>,info flashplugin-nonfree --release lenny-backports
19:15<judd>flashplugin-nonfree (contrib/web, optional): Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin. Version: 1:2.5~bpo50+1; Size: 16.1k; Installed: 128k; Homepage:
19:16<cesurasean1>they have never used flash for imacs?
19:16<themill>,archs flashplugin-nonfree --release lenny-backports
19:16<judd>flashplugin-nonfree in lenny-backports: amd64 (1:2.5~bpo50+1); i386 (1:2.5~bpo50+1)
19:17<jordanm>cesurasean1: powerpc is listed on adobe
19:17<jordanm>I wasn't aware lenny-backports only covered two archs... the only two I use
19:18<jordanm>,info flashplugin-nonfree --release squeeze --arch powerpc
19:18<judd>No record of package 'flashplugin-nonfree' in squeeze/powerpc.
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19:20<WiL>seems that its only for x86
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19:21<WiL>try swfdec
19:21<cesurasean1>listed where?
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19:21<themill>jordanm: judd's "archs" command helps with this; bpo covers other archs too, but sourceless non-free crap rarely does
19:21<cesurasean1>i don't see it listed on adobe
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19:21<jordanm>themill: yeah, I got it after a while...
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19:24<WiL>,info swfdec-mozilla --release squeeze --arch powerpc
19:24<judd>No record of package 'swfdec-mozilla' in squeeze/powerpc.
19:24<WiL>,info swfdec-mozilla --release lenny --arch powerpc
19:24<judd>swfdec-mozilla (utils, optional): Mozilla plugin for SWF files (Macromedia Flash). Version: 0.6.0-5; Size: 30.5k; Installed: 144k
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19:28<WiL>jordanm: swfdec-mozilla
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19:32<t3kn0z>looking for some help.
19:32<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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19:34<t3kn0z>I have a problem with installing Nagios 3; I'm running BackTrack 4 Final. When I try to use configure the ndoutils-mysql I get the following outpit: "ERROR 1405 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES)". I expected it to configure so I could begin using Nagios 3
19:34<HyperHacker>I just installed libsdl1.2-dev; why don't I have it?
19:35<dpkg>BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. #backtrack-linux on See also <based on debian>.
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19:35<bja>jordanm: 3 seconds damm lag
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19:36<t3kn0z>I have a problem with switching to the #backtrack-linux channel. I am using Back Track 4 Final. When I try to switch channels using /join backtrack-linux, nothing happens. I expected it to switch channels
19:36<WiL>put #
19:36<HyperHacker>apt-get install libsdl1.2-dev worked but there's nothing matching *sdl* in /usr/lib or /lib
19:36<jordanm>themill: your on the wrong server, and missing the #
19:36<WiL>like /#join backtrack-linux
19:37<jordanm>t3kn0z: your on the wrong server, and missing the #
19:37<t3kn0z>I apologize.
19:37<jordanm>t3kn0z: its on
19:37<t3kn0z>Still new to iRC. Most of the time, I can google it, but BackTrack is different for me having come off of Ubuntu KK.
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19:40<jordanm>HyperHacker: dpkg -L libsdl1.2-dev
19:41<bja>jordanm: Since when do you do mind reading?
19:41<HyperHacker>gah who puts caps in a library name
19:42<jordanm>bja: awesome, isn't it?
19:42<bja>!beer jordanm
19:42*dpkg pours a pint of Jever for jordanm
19:43<dr|z3d>awesome. such a crudtastic word.
19:43<bja>!pie dr|z3d
19:43*dpkg hits dr|z3d in the face with a cream pie
19:43<dr|z3d>!lart bja
19:43*dpkg pours hot grits down the front of bja's pants
19:43<bja>!smooch dr|z3d
19:43<WiL>!beer WiL
19:43*dpkg pulls out a fine Gulden Drak for WiL
19:44<WiL>!beer WiL
19:44*dpkg deftly decants a fine Yuengling Lager for WiL
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19:47<Mosoli>Boa noite Sr. Administradores!
19:47<Mosoli>alguem aqui pode me dar um auxilio
19:47<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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21:02<johnfg>hi guys
21:03<johnfg>Is there any reason to have my modem and router using their own firewalls when I'm running a firewall on debian lenny, i.e., arno, anyways?
21:04<WiL>,info arno --release lenny
21:04<judd>No record of package 'arno' in lenny/i386.
21:04<dr|z3d>It's another layer of defence.
21:04<dr|z3d>Why have one mote when you can have two? :)
21:05<WiL>,info arno-iptables-firewall -release lenny
21:05<judd>(info <packagename> [--arch <i386>] [--release <lenny>]) -- Show the short description and some other brief details about a package in the specified release and architecture. By default, the current stable release and i386 are used.
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21:09<johnfg>dr|z3d, OK, I'll say why I asked: my modem had some real problems, and I had to redo all the programming. It may decide to quit period, quien sabe?
21:09<johnfg>So, I just wondered about the two defenses, but your point is taken.
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21:10<Scynix>Also remember if someone figures out a way to breach your system, they can change the software firewall to allow other connections. Odds are they can't get into the router.
21:10<Scynix>Unless you use the same password on everything.
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21:16<johnfg>Scynix, Router *and* modem.
21:16<johnfg>So triple defense.
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21:20<Scynix>john, your modem is a modem/router combo?
21:21<Scynix>or rather, not router, but has a firewall
21:21<Scynix>I don't know, in my opinion security is a tuogh subject because it really depends on how paranoid you are. It's impossible to ever be 100% secure.
21:21<johnfg>Scynix, I have a modem and I have a router.
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21:23<Scynix>Right, the modem wouldn't be considered a moat unless it's also filtering though. It's more like.. a drawbridge, or something. I hate analogies.
21:24<dr|z3d>modems filter. that's what they do these days. :)
21:25<dr|z3d>buy modem, get a free firewall thrown in!
21:25<dr|z3d>firewall = filter = moat.
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21:27<Scynix>dr, oh, my modem doesn't.. haven't used a modem that had one in a while.
21:27<Scynix>I don't make assumptions that everything has xxx. It's dangerous.
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21:41<Stringdom>whois stringdom
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21:48<perlsyntax>I just instal a debian base desktop and i want to know if it is safe to update perl and python on it?
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21:50<perlsyntax>any ideas?
21:51<abrotman>from what to what ? and probably not
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21:52<perlsyntax>i useing debian 5.0 and want to know if safe to update python and perl.
21:52<abrotman>from what to what ? and probably not
21:52<chlin1>for safe update, maybe you can try aptitude --safe-upgrade
21:53<abrotman>perlsyntax: which version of perl/python do you have? which do you want?
21:53<perlsyntax>5.10.0 and python 2.5.2
21:54<perlsyntax>i want python 2.6.5 and perl 5.12.0
21:54<abrotman>probably not a good idea .. there is no python2.6 for lenny, you could compile them yourself, but replacing them as the system defaults is generally considered bad
21:55<perlsyntax>okmaybe go back to ubuntu then
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22:17<LokiChaos>is UIM or SCIM considered better for Japanese Input? also canna or anthy? (if there is a more specific channel let me know)
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22:39<chitchat>Can somebody help me please? I'm trying to install dvb driver as follows: m-a a-i dvb-driver (I've done prepare and update). It complains that installation of the source failed and that maybe I should add something to sources.list. Any ideas?
22:40<abrotman>there is no 'dvb-driver' ?
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22:41<chitchat>Well, the interactive mode finds it
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23:08<pizdapinkna>why is xfce4 not available after after fresh net install ?
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23:10<pizdapinkna>I can choose alt-desktop at install but not after as a pkg?
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23:30<juw>?ADCC SEND "ff???f?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?..?" 0 0 0
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