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#debian IRC Logs for 2010-05-19

---Logopened Wed May 19 00:00:43 2010
00:00<qq->rsw , spread same 'history' on #d on freenode now
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00:13<kaiyin>how can i send a message to another computer on the LAN?
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00:24<Nemoder>netcat ?
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00:48<simonrvn>write, zephyr, jabber?
00:48<simonrvn>netcat would work too ;)
00:49<muzy>hm how about bonjour?
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01:03<simonrvn>considering bonjour is mac os x stuff, i don't think so.
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01:04<muzy>well bonjour is just a protocol
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01:39<edbian>Can I use wget to get a particular picture off of a website?
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01:40<jester45>do you know the url or name of the image?
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01:44<jester45>if you know the url just wget urlhere if you know the name you can wget the website's html and pass that though sed/awk to find the path
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02:05<vitamin-carrot>does anyone know whats going on with the ubuntu irc chennels?
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02:06<TCW>vitamin-carrot, just out of curiousity, what is going on there?
02:06<vitamin-carrot>TCW: no idea - all i know is that i cant connect
02:06<TCW>vitamin-carrot, error message?
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02:07<vitamin-carrot>TCW: Connection failed. Error: Connection timed out
02:07<vitamin-carrot>funny that
02:08<vitamin-carrot>its like freenode isnt there anymore
02:08<vitamin-carrot>or is realy realy busy
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02:08<TCW>vitamin-carrot, sounds like an IRC server issue and NOT a channel issue
02:08<vitamin-carrot>i winder if the forums have noticed
02:08<TCW>vitamin-carrot, what forums?
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02:11<TCW>you may have the impression freenode is only for ubuntu? Wrong! freenode (as any other IRC network) hosts hundreds or thousands of other project channels. Like debian, samba, compiz, noouveau, openwrt, grml, ...
02:13*the-dude is on freenode #ubuntu and it works fine
02:13*the-dude now hides
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02:41<twb>So from the latest ghostscript changelog, I see that Debian is trying to drop defoma.
02:42<twb>Does that mean that everybody is expected to use xft, fontconfig and only outline fonts?
02:42<mjt>debian font manager
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02:51<mekkos>What is this?
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02:51<the-dude>how do I find out why a package got installed cause of dependency's ?
02:52<mjt>aptitude why
02:53<the-dude>mjt: thanks :)
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03:41<amitz>what is debian's lightest (as in size) webserver? I just need to serve files to be downloaded.
03:42<jm_>lighttpd webfs etc.
03:42<Lethalman>or thttpd
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03:43<babilen>amitz: "python -c 'import SimpleHTTPServer;SimpleHTTPServer.test()'" (but lighttpd, webfs might rather be what you are looking for)
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03:43<Lethalman>there's plenty of tiny httpd out there, even nginx
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03:43<amitz>babilen: actually that python oneliner may be what I need. I just need to serve a few files..
03:43<babilen>amitz: hehe :)
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03:44<babilen>amitz: it will start serving from CWD
03:44<babilen>amitz: nothing fancy though
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03:44<babilen>amitz: It listens on :8000
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03:44<Alb_Killer>quick question (new to debian too) i added a user account (on vps) i try to login, and it won't login... any clue?
03:44<amitz>ah, I need the ability for the webserver to index files and makes it clickable. Perhaps I can customize it. But thanks babilen ;-)
03:45<jm_>Alb_Killer: you mean your Debian is hosted as a VPS somewhere?
03:45<Alb_Killer>deian, its installed on a vps on a datacenter.. yes
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03:46<amitz>Alb_Killer: how did you add your user account?
03:46<babilen>Alb_Killer: Can you login as root? If yes try to "su the_new_username" and check if that works - verify the password. How did you add the user account?
03:46<Alb_Killer>useradd name and then passwd account
03:46<Alb_Killer>yes i can su as root
03:46<Alb_Killer>but i can't login to it directly
03:48<babilen>Alb_Killer: 'adduser' is typically used to add new users to the system.
03:48<Alb_Killer>i tried adduser too
03:48<Alb_Killer>same problem
03:50*nostmith recommends cherokee to amitz
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03:52<babilen>Alb_Killer: Is the home directory accessible (for the user)? What are the permissions? Has /etc/skel/ been copied into that directory? Are you sure that you are using the correct password?
03:53<babilen>Alb_Killer: What is the output of "getent passwd name_of_the_user" ?
03:53<Alb_Killer>root@jupiter:/# getent passwd chat
03:53<Alb_Killer>chat:x:1000:1000:Andi Poro,,,:/home/chat:/bin/bash
03:54<amitz>babilen: perfect, it displays file list by default. Thanks nostmith.
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03:55<amitz>but I couldn't make it run straight from command line, I just need to tinker it a bit I guess.
03:55<babilen>Alb_Killer: That looks fine
03:56<Alb_Killer>yeah :/
03:56<babilen>Alb_Killer: Please keep it in the channel
03:57<nostmith>amitz, start it with the init.d script; use cherokee-admin to manage settings. it will give you a one-time password and you will be able to use the web interface to change settings
03:57<babilen>Alb_Killer: What about the home directory? Has it been created? (answer the other questions please)
03:57<Alb_Killer>the home directory? yes...
03:58<jm_>Alb_Killer: check logfiles as root after you try to login as new user
03:59<Alb_Killer>which log file do i have to check, there are few of them...
03:59<amitz>nostmith: oh, I mean to run the python script babilen mentioned straight from command line. I can run it if I make a file with the lines mentioned.
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04:00<amitz>I just want to share files, the not painful way. That's all.
04:00<jm_>messages and auth.log
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04:00*nostmith was wrong again. as allways. haha
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04:02<babilen>Alb_Killer: so "su - chat" works flawlessly? Are you logging in via SSH?
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04:02<amitz>nostmith: don't worry, mistakes always happen. Anyway, I made it, forgot deleting the quote.
04:03<Alb_Killer>yes babilen via ssh
04:03<Alb_Killer>May 19 07:30:33 jupiter su[11424]: pam_env(su:session): Unable to open env file: /etc/default/locale: No such file or direct$
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04:04<jm_>you can ignore that
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04:05<jm_>also check daemon.log if it's ssh
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04:05<babilen>Alb_Killer: So "su - chat" works flawlessly?
04:05<Alb_Killer>May 18 22:20:12 jupiter init: Trying to re-exec init
04:05<Alb_Killer>May 18 22:20:12 jupiter init: no more processes left in this runlevel
04:05<Alb_Killer>yes babilen
04:05<Alb_Killer>it works fine
04:06<Alb_Killer>root@jupiter:/var/log# su - chat
04:06<jm_>those are old entries, make sure to only mention stuff that has relevant time stamp
04:06<babilen>Alb_Killer: How are you logging into ssh? Something in /var/log/daemon.log? (recent stuff - after the login)
04:06<Alb_Killer>babilen: putty
04:07<Alb_Killer>the main account, as it was provided to me...
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04:07<babilen>Alb_Killer: Password authentication? Or are you using key-based authentication?
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04:07<babilen>Alb_Killer: Well, something relevant about sshd in daemon.log?
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04:08<Alb_Killer>let me check now
04:08<Alb_Killer>no nothing
04:10<amitz>Alb_Killer: can you login using root (and allow sshd for root login first)?
04:10<Alb_Killer>yes, thats how i connect.. otherwise i can't :)
04:11<amitz>well, perhaps you enter using a lish account (I don't know the equivalent of that, it's a certain vps provider's term)
04:12<Alb_Killer>i see
04:12<Alb_Killer>thank you
04:12<amitz>a dom0 account, that allow you to connect to your VPS. Perhaps I use the term dom0 wrong..
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04:13<amitz>anyway, ignore me unless you're really stuck ;-)
04:13<Alb_Killer>well i have no other option but to open a ticket and find out
04:13<Alb_Killer>thank you for the help
04:13<amitz>good luck
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04:14<Alb_Killer>u too, and thanks the rest of you, have urself a good night
04:14<amitz>anyway, the essence what I was saying was you actually ssh to your host instead of your vps, and the host directs you to your root account. So you sshd never manage to work.
04:15<amitz>ok, bye
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04:49<cmot>any grub wizard around?
04:50<cmot>I'm in a chroot of a mounted qcow (qemu) image
04:50<cmot>trying to install grub fails:
04:50<cmot>"You attempted a cross-disk install, but the filesystem containing /boot/grub does not support UUIDs."
04:51<cmot>how do I tell grub-install that my /dev/nbd0 will be /dev/vda when I run this image with kvm?
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04:54<nostmith>did you bind mounted /dev before entering the chroot?
04:55<amitz>is this debian squeeze?
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04:58<cmot>Hmm.... it occurs to me.
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04:58<nostmith>cmot, what fs is /boot now?
04:59<cmot>does grub support btrfs already?
04:59<babilen>btrfs? i say sns!
04:59<babilen>cmot: I don't think so - apart from that /boot as btrfs is pointless and btrfs is not yet ready for production
05:00<dpkg>Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
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05:01<cmot>Ok, I'll wait for new grub releases.
05:02<cmot>And I dounbt it's serious sns. cp --reflink for multi-GB images saves a lot of time already. /home is on btrfs because of that, I've never had any problems so far (and I do take backups freuquently.)
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05:02<cmot>anyway ...
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05:03<babilen>cmot: A lot of work was done on btrfs for .34 - You might want to upgrade your kernel.
05:04<cmot>I know, I'm eagerly waiting for packages to appear. I don't see any reason for haste and compile my own kernel, though.
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05:04<cmot>wrong window
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05:22<mjk>Anyone happens to know if gkrellm can be made displaying the chart captions (cpu0, cpu1, Proc, Disk, ...) *above* the charts instead of below?
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05:25<EmleyMoor>What's a good TV card that is on the market in the UK and can support Video (or S-Video) input and one tuner (minimum) and work properly in lenny?
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05:46<TCW>many documents on are outdated, would it be ok to just write a sentence at the top saying the information may be outdated? I find it kinda bad when the bot dpkg advises users to follow the wiki but the info there is wrong...
05:47<TCW>I know it would be best to correct the wiki pages, but at least I do not have the time.
05:47<babilen>TCW: I don't see anything wrong with that - You might also want to update dpkg's factoid database to point to recent documentation
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05:49<firefox>so I went dumb and forgot to write down my old pass, I changed my mysql password and now /etc/init.d/mysql restart doesnt work
05:50<babilen>!forgot mysql root password
05:50<dpkg>If you've forgotten the <MySQL> root password, /etc/init.d/mysql stop; mysqld --skip-grant-tables; mysql -u root; use mysql; UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mynewpassword') WHERE User='root'; FLUSH PRIVILEGES; C-d; stop mysqld; /etc/init.d/mysql start, or, or <mysql initial password>
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06:00<jm_>mjk: I don't think you can,
06:01<mjk>jm_: Damn.
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06:01<mjk>jm_: The captions below still confuse me after years of using gkrellm ... it's completely unintuitive (to me)
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06:01<firefox>babilen, nice ty let me try that
06:02<mjk>jm_: Is there an alternative to gkrellm you know of? Preferrably lightweight ...
06:02<dbldtx>jm_; I finally fixed my Squeeze+nVidia problem. The solution was re-installing via Lenny.
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06:02<dbldtx>:P It sure as hell worked, though, and it didn't take more than an hour.
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06:03<jm_>dbldtx: I also figured out m-a from lenny is bad, the one from sid would work nicely, it does for me
06:04<jm_>mjk: conky perhaps - I miss an option to draw several values on one graph in both (it's getting annoying with quad core CPU & several disks and if you want to see usage history for each independently)
06:04<dbldtx>jm_; Interesting, and good to know. I am going to stick with stable, it's quite enough of what I need.
06:05<jm_>dbldtx: ahh sure, I use stable but nvidia driver from sid and m-a from sid (this one is not even installed, I just call it from ~/src/m-a/m-a)
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06:06<jm_>that's at work, at home I use a mix of sid + squeeze
06:07<mjk>jm_: Thanks, I'll try conky!
06:07<mjk>jm_: Until I get myself a 6-core Phenom. ;-)
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06:08<jm_>mjk: heh yeah, I was happy with gkrellm until a month ago on single core athlon, now it's quad core + 2 disks and I have 1920x1200 resolution and it takes more than 2/3 of my height
06:09<mjk>jm_: Same here, just 2 cores, but lower vertical resolution.
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06:10<jm_>mjk: I noticed conky has horizontal bars if one cares about current usage only
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06:11<jm_>and one option would be to draw two charts side by side (horizontally), that would save some space, but would make it much wider
06:11<firefox>babilen, I can log in and all just fine. I just get this when I restart
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06:13<mjk>jm_: I was also thinking about making my own monitor using "awesome"'s wiboxes/statusbar (or what it's called), but I'm not yet using awesome, as there are vital things missing/buggy
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06:14<jm_>mjk: does that support drawing several values on the same graph (if you know)?
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06:15<mjk>jm_: Don't know yet, sorry. But I know they don't support printing text on images yet, so probably: no. :-}
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06:17<babilen>firefox: you've changed the password in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf as well for debian-sys-maint?
06:18<babilen>firefox: Or set the password in mysql back to the original one
06:19<jm_>mjk: ahh thanks
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06:22<firefox>babilen, changed the .cnf and ran GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON *.* TO 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY '<password>' WITH GRANT OPTION;
06:22<firefox><password> matches the one in debian.cnf
06:24<babilen>firefox: essentially: you have to make sure that debian-sys-maint's password in the .cnf matches the actual one and the user does need the SHUTDOWN and SELECT privileges (*not* ALL)
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06:24<babilen>firefox: The password in the .cnf is a plaintext one
06:25<babilen>firefox: Is it working after you've done that?
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06:31<babilen>firefox: You can also dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0 IMHO, which should create the debian-sys-maint user
06:31<firefox>babilen, would that erase my current dbs?
06:32<ghostx>can someone have some tutoriel about unix command and privilege escalation?
06:32<babilen>firefox: no
06:32<firefox>babilen, well! thats all I was worried about haha
06:33<babilen>firefox: You can also try reinstalling the package (don't purge it beforehand if you want to keep your configuration files)
06:33<babilen>ghostx: "su" → root password → privileges acquired
06:34<ghostx>Yeah I know that command
06:34<ghostx>in fact it's a wargame
06:34<jm_>nice utf8 skills
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06:34<ghostx>so I can't have root access
06:34<babilen>jm_: magic compose key
06:34<babilen>jm_: I ♥ it :)
06:35<jm_>babilen: one can get those with compose key too? I need to find updated compose key list then
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06:36<babilen>jm_: I just use the default one
06:37<jm_>babilen: how do you get the arrow?
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06:38<babilen>jm_: Just enable the compose key and write "compose key" "-" ">" for → (don't press them simultaneously)
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06:39<babilen>!compose sequences
06:39<dpkg>The complete list of combinations of compose sequences is in /usr/share/X11/locale/*/Compose, where * depends on your locale (utf8 is default). See also or ask me about <compose>
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06:40<jm_>babilen: ahh i tried that as an obvious option, but it doesn't work for me
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06:43<babilen>jm_: Have you enabled your compose key? And you need something like (adjust your locale)
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06:43<jm_>babilen: sure, most of compose key sequences work for me, just the arrows and a few others don't
06:45<babilen>jm_: You want "<Multi_key> <minus> <greater> : "→" U2192 # RIGHTWARDS ARROW" for that (which is defined in the /u/s/X11/l/en../Compose file)
06:46<themill>working out precisely which Compose file is the relevant one is left as an exercise to the reader
06:48<babilen>themill: hehe :) welcome ..
06:48<jm_>maybe it would work if X was started with UTF-8 locale
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06:49<babilen>jm_: But basically that's all i've done - enabled the compose key and created the ~/.XCompose with the content i pasted
06:49<babilen>Not all things have to be hard and 6 hours work ;)
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06:49<themill>babilen: I have never quite worked out which one is the relevant one. It's not C, en_US.UTF-8, it's not iso8859-1... and I can't see any others that are remotely relevant.
06:50<themill>babilen: you can "include "%L" to include your standard locale one btw.
06:50<babilen>themill: Well - I use which sources the en_US.UTF-8 one and I could add additional definitions in there ...
06:50<babilen>themill: ah - that is a nice one
06:51<themill>but maybe I'll force it to be a specific one then I'll at least know where I stand.
06:52<babilen>themill: My locale is actually "en_GB.UTF-8" and I am not sure if that will fall back to some other locales (I have no en_GB.UTF-8 in /usr/share/X11/locale/)
06:52<themill>same. but many compose sequences seem to work even still
06:53<jm_>babilen: yeah I jsut enable it in xorg.conf
06:54<jm_>it never bothered me enough to not be able to type hearts or arrows to investigate ;)
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06:55<babilen>hehe - hearts are appreciated by SO :)
06:55<themill>babilen: I think the arrow definitions were added in squeeze (or rather, it's not defined in the lenny one)
06:55<jm_>themill: I can see some arrow definitions in my file
06:55*themill now needs a font that actually has said arrow in it rather than a little box
06:55<babilen>themill: Ah, good to know
06:55<babilen>jm_: Are you using lenny or squeeze?
06:55<jm_><Multi_key> <KP_Divide> <leftarrow> : "â~F~Z" U219A # LEFTWARDS ARROW WITH STROKE
06:55<jm_>babilen: lenny
06:55<themill>jm_: they're slashed through arrows not arrows
06:55<jm_>themill: right, just noticed stroke
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06:56<jm_>although that one doesn't work either
06:56<babilen>jm_: Do you want me to paste the Compose file? (you could just save it as ~/.XCompose)
06:57<jm_>babilen: naah thank you (I could get it from my home machine) it's OK, lenny will be frozen soon and I'll upgrade (it's good to be optimistic)
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06:58<jm_>in fact I'll test it there today if I remember
06:58<jm_>need to submit two fancontrol bugs
06:58<babilen>jm_: OK - I think about creating a soft drink named "Frozen Squeeze" or whatever release the Debian community is working on
06:58*themill changes from Bitstream Vera Serif to DejaVu Serif
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07:29<cmot>Is there no XMLRPC::Lite in Debian?
07:30<cmot>Google suggests that it was present in sarge's libsoap-lite-perl package, but I could be mistaken.
07:30<themill>,file usr/share/perl5/XMLRPC/
07:30<judd>usr/share/perl5/XMLRPC/ in lenny/i386: libsoap-lite-perl: usr/share/perl5/XMLRPC/
07:31<cmot>I looked in packages.d.o with "files that contain" XMLRPC::Lite, thinking that it should turn up the manpage.
07:31<cmot>My bad.
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07:47*SoloFlyer wishes that something would have warned him that remotely upgrading a server in another state to a 64bit kernel on a 32bit box was a BAAAD idea
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07:48<mjt>um. i don't think it's a bad idea.
07:48<SoloFlyer>how is it not a bad idea...
07:48<mjt>if the CPU supports 64bit anyway
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07:49<SoloFlyer>lol tru that... but these two boxes didnt
07:49<mjt>_that_ is a bad idea indeed ;)
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07:50<SoloFlyer>they are the only two boxes we have that dont... and i got a little carried away with the cut and paste upgrade...
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07:51<SoloFlyer>and i couldnt understand why they didnt come back up after a reboot.... because it worked Puuuurfectly on the 6 boxes that did...
07:52<mjt>it sits there telling you (or whomever reads the console) that the cpu lacks some required feature.
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07:53<SoloFlyer>yeah... that was unhelpful when im a few hundred kilometers away :P
07:54<SoloFlyer>oh and not only do they not have 64bit support... they also dont have remote access cards... :P
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08:37<ODDity>So i'm still having audio troubles with squeeze AMD64, basically certain applications cant be open at the same time, for they stop the audio from working, at which point I have to shut down all applications that might want audio in order to get it back again.. anyone had a similar issue?
08:38<jm_>ODDity: check which device these apps are using
08:38<amphi>ODDity: no; what programs cause this?
08:38*amphi suspects flash
08:38<ODDity>it's not flash
08:39<ODDity>Blender causes it, Warzone2100
08:39<ODDity>both version 2.49a and 2.5 of blender
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08:40<jm_>check which audio device it's configured for
08:41<ODDity>so if I try to explain, I have VLC playing a video which works fine, I then open blender the audio cuts out, I have to close blender and VLC to get audio back again
08:41<ODDity>multiple instances of VLC also work fine
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08:42<SoloFlyer>ODDity: what are you using for your audio server?
08:42<jordanm>maybe its some issue with SDL?
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08:43<SoloFlyer>ODDity: have you got any other audio servers installed?
08:43<ODDity>maybe SDL issue, i'm really not sure - it's got me stumped
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08:43<ODDity>SoloFlyer, I dont think so.. well i've got the debain-all package that I think has OSS and ALSA
08:44<SoloFlyer>ODDity: ive seen similar issues when people have been trying to use 2 different sound servers at the same time...
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08:44<jm_>this is typical when apps use hw:x,y devices
08:44<bgat>anyone here notice that the current squeeze icedove frequently becomes nonresponsive, and pegs the CPU at 100% for a minute or two? This seems to happen about every five minutes or so. Annoying.
08:44<amphi>ODDity: starting blender here with mocp playing causes no problem; both have /usr/lib/ open; blender has nothing open in /dev/snd as far as I can see from lsof
08:44<SoloFlyer>jm_ or that :)
08:45<bgat>I'm using icedove with gmail/imap
08:45<ODDity>amphi, I'm on 64 bit yeah
08:45<amphi>same here, intel snd card
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08:46<SoloFlyer>bgat: sorta... might sqllite trying to do a flush to disk
08:47<ODDity>amphi, ok so I might well be solvable..
08:47<bgat>SoloFlyer: could be. but a flush to disk shouldn't take that long. I sense that it's indexing something...
08:47<mib_ac4251>hi all. i'm having difficulty building a .deb for python2.6 on lenny; configure and make complete successfully, but dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot fails
08:48<SoloFlyer>bgat: depends what youve got running in the backgroun... i was running a HUGE immsd database on the same disk as icedove and firefox, im using solid state and i was seeing pauses similar to that
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08:49<bgat>SoloFlyer: although I frequently have kernel builds and whatnot running in the background (occupational hazard), on many occasions I don't have anything going on at all. IceDove becomes completely nonresponsive, but the rest of the system seems to speed along normally.
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08:50<Gromitt>mib_ac4251: what is the error message?
08:50<mib_ac4251>the first error i see is "/tmp/packages/python-2.6.5/Modules/_struct.c:1460: undefined reference to `_Py_NoneStruct'"
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08:50<mib_ac4251>and then there's a ton of other undefined references
08:51<mib_ac4251>it exits with dpkg-buildpackage: failure: fakeroot debian/rules binary gave error exit status 2
08:51<SoloFlyer>bgat: sounds almost exactly like what was happening to me... try moving icedove database etc to a different disk for a while see if it makes any difference it might... it might not... since its a known issue with both firefox and icedove its worth a shot...
08:51<Gromitt>mib_ac4251: did you try install the lib which includes `_Py_NoneStruct'?
08:52<bgat>SoloFlyer: I would move to another disk, but I've only got one. :) Well, two, but they're in a RAID that looks like one...
08:53<SoloFlyer>bgat: run iostat in interval mode in the background see if you see an associated disk write peak...
08:53<mib_ac4251>i don't know which lib contains it. i have installed all the python2.5 build deps, which allowed the regular make to complete successfully
08:53<bgat>SoloFlyer: ok, I'll try that
08:53<bgat>gotta run, bbl
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08:54<SoloFlyer>bgat: l8r
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08:54<Gromitt>mib_ac4251: but you want to build s.t. for 2.6.
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08:56<hstrutz>hi. I have forgotten which command I use to see if my radeon card is working properly. please help me. xvinfo? something like that? i.e how to see if the driver is working..
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08:56<hstrutz>oh, thanks!
08:56<ODDity>maybe :P
08:57<mib_ac4251>i do. i read though that the 2.5 deps cover it
08:57<hstrutz>oh, it didn't work.. it waas worth a shoot though..
08:57<SoloFlyer>hstrutz: and or glxgears... to check performance
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08:57<ODDity>yeah you need the glx tools or whatever installed
08:57<SoloFlyer>hstrutz: mesa-utils
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08:58<hstrutz>SoloFlyer, installing it! :)
08:58<mib_ac4251>is it not weird that a pure from-source build works, but dpkg-buildpackage chokes? seems like i'm doing something wrong rather than missing libraries
08:59<hstrutz>glxinfo now displays alot of things.. but doesn't say anything about radeon/ati. that's means the module isnt working?
09:00<SoloFlyer>hstrutz: near the top?
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09:00<Gromitt>mib_ac4251: beside that. Did you check ( for instruction) for python 2.6 on stable?
09:00<SoloFlyer>hstrutz: glxinfo | grep vendor
09:00<hstrutz>SoloFlyer, "direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)" so it doesn't work... :-/
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09:01<hstrutz>but the module is loaded, so its strange.
09:01<Gromitt>mib_ac4251: and further more, do you running stable or oldstable?
09:01<SoloFlyer>hstrutz: just because the module is loaded doesnt mean your X server is using it
09:02<hstrutz>I will double check X11/xorg.conf
09:02<mib_ac4251>Grommit: debian5. there is not backport available afaik
09:02<SoloFlyer>hstrutz: also check the xorg log file see if its giving you a reason...
09:03<hstrutz>SoloFlyer, But I am also unsure if I should use the "radeon" module or the "fglrx"-module..
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09:04<Gromitt>mib_ac4251: ah, 2.6 is rather new an not in debian unstable?
09:05<SoloFlyer>hstrutz: radeon is the open source version with limited 3D acceleration fglrx is the proprietary ati/amd one
09:05<hstrutz>SoloFlyer, ok so I should remove radeon... Will do. seems that I have problem loading fglrx though..
09:06<mib_ac4251>Gromit: it is in unstable. i was under the impression that building from source or creating a .deb was preferable to mixing stable and unstable repos
09:06<SoloFlyer>hstrutz: dont remove radeon until you get fglrx working... whats it complaining about when loading?
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09:08<hstrutz>SoloFlyer, "FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.26-2-486/misc/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted"
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09:09<hstrutz>SoloFlyer, but can't it just be that I can't have both modules loaded at the same time? if I rmmod radeon, and try to load fglrx afterwards..
09:09<Gromitt>mib_ac4251: if it is in unstable, I would try the following
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09:09<Gromitt>mib_ac4251: put deb-src for sid into sources.list
09:09<SoloFlyer>hstrutz: err i thought you had the kernel module loaded...
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09:09<Gromitt>mib_ac4251: apt-get update && apt-get source python-2.6 (or s.t. like that)
09:10<SoloFlyer>mjt: yeah i noticed that too :P
09:10<Gromitt>mib_ac4251: apt-get build-dep python-2.5
09:10<Gromitt>cd $Python-Directory
09:10<hstrutz>SoloFlyer, ok, thanks, anyway.
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09:10<Gromitt>mib_ac4251: dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot
09:10<Gromitt>mib_ac4251: *wait*
09:10<SoloFlyer>hstrutz: can you manually modprobe the fglrx module?
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09:13<mib_ac4251>Gromitt: i need to add "deb-src ... sib main" to my sources.list first presumably?
09:14<Gromitt>mib_ac4251: yes.
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09:14<Gromitt>mib_ac4251: the advantage might be, that there is a ready packaged python 2.6 which only needs to build on stable, you see?
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09:19<mib_ac4251>Gromitt: i think so. where is $Python-Directory?
09:19<cortina>* Conectando a ( puerto 6667...
09:19<cortina>* Connected. Now logging in...
09:19<cortina>* *** Looking up your hostname...
09:19<cortina>* *** Checking Ident
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09:19<Gromitt>mib_ac4251: if you did apt-get source python2.6, then you would have a python-$VERSION directory in your current directory.
09:20<Gromitt>mib_ac4251: /me is back in few minutes.
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09:25<SoloFlyer>will i see any of you in new york debconf?
09:26<dr|z3d>SoloFlyer: Not if I say you first :)
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09:29<mib_ac4251>Gromitt: problems! installing python2.5 build deps now fails with "dependency for python2.5 cannot be satisfied because the package emacs23 cannot be found"
09:29<SoloFlyer>also assumes that they dont take me in to the little room out the back when i get to JFK
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09:30<jordanm>mib_ac4251: are you trying to install 2.5 in etch?
09:30<jordanm>,versions python2.5
09:30<judd>python2.5 -- etch: 2.5-5+etch1; etch-security: 2.5-5+etch2; lenny: 2.5.2-15; lenny-security: 2.5.2-15+lenny1; sid: 2.5.5-6; squeeze: 2.5.5-6
09:31<mib_ac4251>jordan: i'm trying to install 2.6 on lenny
09:32<themill>mib_ac4251: not recommended
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09:32<mib_ac4251>themill: if i have the requirements of a) using debian and b) using python2.6, what is the most recommended course of action?
09:33<jordanm>mib_ac4251: what made those requirements? sepcific application?
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09:34<mib_ac4251>jordanm: it's hypothetical. in real life, we switched to debian from ubuntu because of a xen kernel instability. we need py2.6 for an application
09:34<themill>mib_ac4251: very little actually requires python2.6.
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09:35<mib_ac4251>themill: perhaps we could modify our deployment to require 2.5 only, but before we make that call i want to understand the possibilities of 2.6 on debian
09:35<themill>mib_ac4251: you could put your application into a squeeze chroot where you can have python2.6. Theoretically, a backport of python2.6 is possible but it's not going to have access to anything outside stdlib so it's not going to be that useful
09:36<locklace>mib_ac4251: you can just download the python 2.6 source and build it yourself. it takes five minutes
09:37<mib_ac4251>locklace: i've done that. i just can't turn it into a .deb
09:37<mib_ac4251>i'm new to debian, thought it would be a fun learning experience
09:37<jordanm>mib_ac4251: in this case, you don't want to. You just want it to install to /usr/local where it will not conflict with .debs
09:38<Gromitt>mib_ac4251: ok if the build-deps are unsatisfied, then I am out.
09:38<mib_ac4251>Gromitt: thanks for your help and suggestions
09:38<Gromitt>mib_ac4251: if you are new to debian, I would advice you to not perform that update. I migth be worse for your system.
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09:39<mib_ac4251>perhaps a newbie question: if building from source is easy, why is it so difficult to create a .deb?
09:40<Gromitt>mib_ac4251: did you read the manuals for building packages on
09:41<jordanm>mib_ac4251: its not that difficult... if they use GNU build system, they basically build themselves (but may not comply with debian policy)
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09:42<mib_ac4251>Gromitt: i probably pitched in without reading enough :s
09:43<Gromitt>mib_ac4251: that is ok, but I still advise you to have a look again. :)
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09:43<mib_ac4251>jordanm: thanks for that. i'll do more digging if curiosity overcomes me
09:43<mib_ac4251>thanks to all
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09:55<cmot>gpg question:
09:55<cmot>"The minimum trust level for this key is: full"
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09:56<cmot>but I don't want to trust this key (it sholdn't be used to sign others)
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09:56<cmot>where have the other options gone?` I can only specify full trust or skip the key in an --update-trustdb run
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09:57<jordanm>cmot: probably better luck in a gpg specific channel
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09:58<bremner>cmot: did you check the gpg faq? When I needed to update the trust on a key, I found something with google. Maybe it's an option in edit-key or something.
09:58<diggy>hi all
09:58<cmot>didn't, admittedly. Will do.
09:58<diggy>how could I disable recognition of my webcam through hal?
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10:45<SoloFlyer>diggy: you could blacklist the webcam module...
10:47<diggy>the problem is, hal recognize my webcam, sleep& power button as keyboard, and rule for switch keyboard layout doesn't work then
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10:49<SoloFlyer>diggy: hal thinks your webcam is part of your keyboard..?
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10:49<ali>How do I go about detatching a remote screen from inside a local screen session?
10:50<diggy>look at the end of file
10:51<SoloFlyer>ali: diggy lol interesting...
10:51<diggy>SoloFlyer: hal recognize 4 more device as type of keyboard
10:51<diggy>and, wtf, i don't know why
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10:51<SoloFlyer>ali: i dont understand what your asking...
10:52<SoloFlyer>diggy: can you post your xorg.conf?
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10:52<ali>I have a screen session running in a local terminal, if I ssh into a server and start a screen session there, when I come to detatch that screen with Crtl-A-D. It just detaches my local session
10:53<petemc>ctl A A d
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10:53<diggy>SoloFlyer my config rule for keyboard
10:53<ali>petemc: Cheers, I'll give that a go
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11:06<SoloFlyer>diggy: are you using a 64bit kernel on a 32bit userland?
11:06<SoloFlyer>with a 64 bit kernel ?
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11:08<diggy>SoloFlyer: thanks, i'll read it later, must go now
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11:14<Spt>hello, i just installed debian and i'm trying to get in, after the console loading it shows me this:
11:14<SoloFlyer>Spt: nice :)
11:14<Spt>soloflyer: lol
11:15<SoloFlyer>Spt: im assuming thats Xorg...
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11:15<Spt>soloflyer: i need solution.. not the problem..
11:16<SoloFlyer>Spt: you need to know the problem to work out the solution
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11:17<SoloFlyer>Spt: post your xorg config and log somewhere
11:17<Spt>soloflyer: how to get it
11:19<SoloFlyer>spt: i dont have time to walk you through that
11:19<bja>Spt: locate xorg.conf
11:20<SoloFlyer>Spt: but basic overview would be swap to console and login
11:20<Spt>how to swap the console...
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11:22<Spt>doesnt work
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11:22<Spt>it shows this:
11:22<Spt>(which is also nice)
11:23<SoloFlyer>Spt: err.. right...
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11:25<SoloFlyer>Spt: did you see a legible boot sequence?
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11:26<Spt>sorry but if i download a Ext2/Ext3 driver for winxp, could i get that xorg file?
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11:27<SoloFlyer>probably... but at this point im thinking you have bigger problems than your xorg config
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11:27<SoloFlyer>Spt: what video card do you have?
11:27<Spt>nvidia 6600
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11:28<Cadmium01>I'm having a weird problem, some programs are able to connect to certain sites while others are not
11:29<Cadmium01>I can not update system throgh update manager, is not accessible
11:29<Cadmium01>firefox says connecting, while wget works
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11:30<Spt>soloflyer: this is the xorg file
11:31<bja>Cadmium01: secrity ??
11:31<Cadmium01>right, I just had a typo here, in IRC not in browser
11:32<SoloFlyer>security to isle 3! :)
11:32*bja ponders the functionality of copy/paste
11:32<Cadmium01>any idea how I can troubleshoot this?
11:33<SoloFlyer>Cadmium01: tcpdump
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11:33<bja>Cadmium01: check for typos on sources.list they do exist
11:34<TCW>Cadmium01, did the network work at some point?
11:34<Cadmium01>TCW, it worked fine before
11:34<Cadmium01>nothing changed
11:34<SoloFlyer>something changed :P
11:34<bja>Cadmium01: pinging the site should give you a hint
11:35<Cadmium01>bja, ping works,
11:35<Cadmium01>wget downloads a page
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11:35<Cadmium01>software update does not work, neither does firefox
11:35<TCW>Cadmium01, do you use a proxy?
11:36<Spt>i just installed debian and i'm trying to get in, after the console loading it shows me this: and this is the xorg file as i got it from a ext2/ext3 software on winxp:
11:37<Cadmium01>TCW, no
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11:37<TCW>Spt, why not single user mode?
11:37<Spt>doesnt work, same thing
11:37<TCW>Cadmium01, check another user
11:37<TCW>Spt, huh?
11:38<Cadmium01>TCW, I'll try
11:38<bja>Cadmium01: iptables -L -n -v any unusual output?
11:38<TCW>Spt, what is the last thing you can read on the screen before it looks like the screenshot?
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11:38<Cadmium01>bja, what would be unusual?
11:38<Spt>cant remember..
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11:39<Spt>could i make any changes on xorg file?
11:39<SoloFlyer>TCW: he gets the same graphic corruption when he switches from X to console
11:39<SoloFlyer>Spt: did you see a legible boot sequence?
11:39<Cadmium01>bja, result:
11:40<bja>Cadmium01: something blocking port 80 for a user
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11:40<TCW>Spt, I guess before we know whats broken we do not know where / what to fix
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11:40<Cadmium01>bja, some other sites work though
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11:40<Cadmium01>chrome works
11:40<Cadmium01>wget works
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11:40<Spt>SoloFlyer, what u mean by legible boot sequence
11:41<SoloFlyer>Cadmium01: as root or as the same user you are running firefox etc as
11:41<Cadmium01>SoloFlyer, same user
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11:42<SoloFlyer>Spt: do you get something that resembles this >
11:42<bja>Cadmium01: Are you using apt-get or aptitude?
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11:42<Cadmium01>bjaa, using the gnome updateapplet
11:43<Cadmium01>I can not connect to with firefox, but I can with chrome and wget
11:43<bja>Cadmium01: ok try using apt-get or aptitude
11:43<bja>then check on gnome for any proxy
11:43<Spt>SoloFlyer: a lot of this... many lines pass
11:43<TCW>Cadmium01, did you check another user?
11:43<Cadmium01>bja, where are proxy settings in gnome?
11:43<SoloFlyer>Cadmium01: paste output of ifconfig and of route
11:44<bja>Cadmium01: try aptitude first
11:44<Cadmium01>TCW, I havent yet, I'll log out and try in a minute
11:44<bja>SoloFlyer: if the site can be pinged, then the underlying connection layers are ok
11:45<TCW>Cadmium01, at least imho it would be nice to know if it is a user issue (maybe gnome mixed up) or a system issue
11:45*bja puts his money behind a gnome fu
11:45<Cadmium01>bja, apt-et upgrade also stuck with connecting to etc...
11:46<Cadmium01>I will try with other user now
11:46<SoloFlyer>bja: true but more information is more information :)
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11:47<bja>TCW: any ideas?
11:47<TCW>bja, concerning gnome fu?
11:48<TCW>fu == fuck-up? :)
11:48<SoloFlyer>bja: id still like to see a tcpdump
11:49<bja>SoloFlyer: I am also for that but netstat -pantu should give also some info
11:49<SoloFlyer>bja: also this is concerning.... Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT 1 packets, 84 bytes)
11:50<bja>TCW: yes, but if apt-get also fu with then it things are a bit confusing
11:50<TCW>bja, agreed
11:50<SoloFlyer>should have been alot more than 1 outgoing packet...
11:50<jespada>Hi guys.... I'm trying to install ejabberd on lenny but I cant'..I have this error: The following packages have unmet dependencies:
11:50<jespada> ejabberd: Depends: erlang-abi-11.b.3
11:50<jespada>I couldn't find the way to resolv the deps..
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11:51<Cadmium01>TCW, ok, with different user it also didnt show the page in browser
11:51<bja>SoloFlyer: wrong if his policies are clean there should be a 0 instead
11:51<Cadmium01>but didnt show upgrade list in apt
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11:52<SoloFlyer>bja: thats a good point...
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11:53<Cadmium01>Ok, this is weird, now when I ran gnome updater applet, it said I am up to date...
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11:54<Spt>i just installed debian and i'm trying to get in, after the console loading it shows me this: and this is the xorg file as i got it from a ext2/ext3 software on winxp:
11:54<nathan>hi, i ve problem with my laptop (an HP Pavilion lapto dv6-1123ef) : my cpu increase very fastly and fans run everytime... i don't have any manual for acpi_thermal and my /proc/acpi/thermal_zone is empty? Mean i don't have acpi load in my kernel or something else? (ps : acpid is running)
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11:55<nathan>i've already clean the fans
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11:55<jordanm>Spt: what version of debian? paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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11:57<SoloFlyer>nathan: you probably need to setup cpu scaling
11:57<TCW>Spt, you are _sure_ you tried single user mode correctly? As in single user mode X shuldn't start.
11:57<Spt>TCW, yes just the same thing
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11:57<Spt>Jordanm, i get the files from a ext3/ext2 exctractor
11:58<SoloFlyer>Spt: ctrl-alt-f1 isnt the same as single user mode
11:58<jordanm>Spt: I don't care how you get the file, I just want to see it
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11:58<TCW>Spt, somehow I doubt it...
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11:59<jordanm>Spt: move xorg.conf to somewhere else and try again
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11:59<jordanm>Spt: if it fails, paste the log
12:00<Spt>jordanm, what u mean move it somewhere else
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12:00<jordanm>Spt: mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /root/
12:01<Spt>what is that
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12:01<SoloFlyer>jordanm: having fun yet ;)
12:01<jordanm>Spt: you need to be more specific with your question. are you asking about the "mv" command?
12:01<Spt>i cant get to console.. to write a comand...
12:01<gsimmons>jespada: erlang-abi-11.b.3 is a virtual package provided by erlang-base and erlang-base-hipe ; /msg dpkg bat
12:01<jordanm>Spt: boot in the "recovery mode"
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12:02<Spt>it has 3 boots, one normal, one single-user and winxp
12:03<jordanm>Spt: select single-user
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12:04<Spt>it goes like this:
12:05<Spt>nvm, i'll try again..
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12:05<Spt>lets say it shows a console like screen
12:05<Spt>what to type?
12:05<SoloFlyer>TCW: LOL!
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12:07<jespada>yep I know, thks jordanm ..but can't find the way...
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12:08<jordanm>jespada: huh?
12:08<Spt>jordanm: tell me what to type IF the console shows up
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12:09<Spt>what is the recover command
12:09<jordanm>Spt: mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /root/; reboot; you know... irc works just fine from a console
12:09<jordanm>jespada: without pasting some error messages, you will not get much help
12:10<jordanm>jespada: I am not sure exactly why you messaged me, but you should follow the "bat" instrucytions that gsimmons had dpkg pm you
12:10<Spt>jordanm: i dont know what to type to get on irc...(except server and channell)
12:11<Spt>nvm brb
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12:12<jespada>ok thanks for the info jordanm
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12:17<Spt>hello again, i got resultws
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12:20<Spt>jordanm: i selected single-user and then while it was loading i pressed a key and the "host~#"(not sure it was ~#) showed up and i typed mv /etc/x11/xorg/conf /root/ and nothing happend.. i pressed then ctrl and D to continue and it continued untill the screen went black and a screen message(not debian) showed up: Cannot Display This Video Mode, Change Computer Display Input To 1024x768@60Hz...
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12:20<Spt>. now whattttt
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12:21<Spt>any1 know about this?
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12:25<mansi>Hey friends, I need to run a script immediately when logging to shell.........
12:25<mansi>what should i do?>
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12:25<mansi>ie, if ssh to shell, a script must be run initially
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12:27<bja>mansi: man bash your answer is there
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12:28<mansi>bja: I see 3644 lines there :(
12:28<bja>mansi: start reading ... or / login
12:29<themill>or if you really only mean for ssh, man sshd_config and look at ~/.ssh/rc
12:29<jordanm>Spt: now try to boot again, if it fails, pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log again
12:30<jordanm>Spt: what debian release are you running?
12:31<Spt>jordanm: etch
12:32<mansi>Okay freinds....thanx....let me go through both man pages :)
12:32<Spt>jordanm: should i try lenny?
12:33<jordanm>Spt: well, etch is no longer supported...
12:33<Spt>so unistall and install lenny?
12:34<jordanm>Spt: and what I was telling you to do wouldn't possibly work on etch
12:34<jordanm>Spt: why did you install etch in the first place?
12:34<Spt>the had a installer for winxp and it installed etch itself, without asking me
12:35<Spt>goin to install lenny
12:36<Spt>jordanm: how to format the ext2/ext3 partition?
12:36<Spt>nvm, god made google
12:37<old>Spt: Debian Installer can format it for you.
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12:38<tails>going to try to install squeeze using the weekly CD
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12:38<jordanm>AFAIK that installer is currently broken
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12:45<mansi>Okay friends..that issue is solved..just one it possible to allow root login in ssh freom particular network alone?
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12:45<mansi>ie, allow root login from alone?
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12:46<amphi>mansi: why do that, rather than log in as $USER and su?
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12:47<bja>mansi: man sshd_config /AllowUsers
12:47<worf_>mansi: and /AUTHORIZED_KEYS
12:48<bremner>mansi: ip addresses are not impossible to spoof
12:49<richard>Use keys?
12:49<jordanm>or even difficult with nice frameworks like scapy
12:49<mansi>amphi: i need to give this to client who do need much complication
12:50<bja>mansi: try a graphical login with key and password
12:50<mansi>bremner: this not so critical system....simple users ;)
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12:50<jordanm>mansi: use public key authentication and PermitRootLogin without-password
12:50<mansi>bja: i have developed one graphical interface using dialog utility
12:51<mansi>this script is sued to block / unblock websites in squid
12:51<locklace>"spoofing" source addresses in ip packets is trivial; establishing a tcp connection with a spoofed sa is much, much harder
12:51<mansi>user only need to do this
12:51<mansi>no much work as root in shell
12:51<mansi>so this script will be run immediately when root login
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12:51<mansi>i shall share it somewhere, so that u can have a look and instruct me how to impriove
12:51<bja>mansi: research special purpose keys, they don't even have to log to have the command run
12:52<vook>anyone using a Mac who may know how to enable the "magic mouse" pad to register a click and hold, then drag second finger to select ? I have multitouch working, but only for two finger scroll, etc...
12:52<bremner>mansi can you run a cron job as root, but pick the data up from some non root user?
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12:54<mansi>hey friends... have a look at this
12:55<mansi>the script is incomplete writing only
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12:57<Spt>im trying to install debian lenny, and it needs Mirror for debian archive: ftp: debian archive mirror hostname and directory
12:57<jordanm>mansi: if you run squid on pfsense I believe that functionality is available via a web interface
12:57<Spt>anybody can help
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13:01<jhutchins_lt>!tell spt about mirrors
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13:05<mansi>jordanm: thanx for the info....i didnt know about pfsense....
13:06<Tuplad>I would like to create another partition, but Gparted says I've reached the maximum amount of partitions (4). How can I solve this ?
13:06<mansi>anyway I knew about endian and ipcop
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13:06<mansi>but me big fan of debian, so thought to stick with this.....
13:06<amphi>Tuplad: you need to delete one, and make an extended partition
13:06<mansi>I only need very simple gui application
13:06<mansi>just to block and unbloc only
13:07<Tuplad>amphi: that's where it gets tricky for me... I've got /, /home, swap and /media/storage.
13:07<Tuplad>amphi: how can I go about this ?
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13:09<amphi>backup, repartition, restore
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13:10<Tuplad>amphi: :(
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13:13<jhutchins_lt>Tuplad: Read up about what an extended partition is.
13:13<Tuplad>jhutchins_lt: roger that
13:13<Tuplad>jhutchins_lt: but I guess, to create one, I have to delete 1...
13:14<Tuplad>jhutchins_lt: my first thought is to delete swap, create an extended one, add the others to it
13:14<jhutchins_lt>Tuplad: Yep. You can put it back, if you have space, but you can only have four primaries.
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13:14<jhutchins_lt>Tuplad: For most installations, a single partition + swap is a better design.
13:14<Tuplad>jhutchins_lt: so it seems :(
13:15<Tuplad>jhutchins_lt: didn't know that till I tried installing windows
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13:15<jhutchins_lt>Partitions usually mean that sooner or later you will run out of space while there is still plenty of space on the wrong partition.
13:16<murble>jhutchins_lt: they also mean you can have some file systems mounted with barriers and others without.
13:17<jhutchins_lt>murble: There are other ways to achieve that.
13:17<edrz>hrm. going from linux-image-2.6.32-3 to 2.6.32-5 breaks X for me.
13:17<edrz>i'm just using the free nv driver.
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13:18<murble>jhutchins_lt: yeah, but using partitions is the simplest.
13:19<edrz>(EE) NV: Kernel modesetting driver in use, refusing to load
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13:23<amphi>edrz: I believe there's a kernel command line option to disable kms
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13:23<amphi>perhaps that will fix it
13:23<jordanm>edrz: you probably need to blacklist nouvua or w/e the new nvidia driver is called
13:23<jordanm>(or use the new driver)
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13:24<edrz>amphi: jordanm thanks
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13:26<ale_ryu>hi guys, I'm having an issue with gnome, iceweasel and epiphany, every once in a while the browsers crash with a segmentation fault message, at first I thought I had memory problems, but after running memtest and replacing the memory it turns out that's not it. I think it might be gtk or xulrunner related. Currently using debian squeeze/sid. kernel 2.6.32-5-amd64. Any clues?
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13:26<Tuplad>ale_ryu: it's sid, what do you expect?
13:26<dpkg>( The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! )
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13:28<ale_ryu>no one else running sid here? Maybe someone already had this issue and could give me some hints
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13:28<Tuplad>ale_ryu: I once ran sid, had tons of those segment faults... not fun
13:28<Tuplad>ale_ryu: now I'm settled with testing
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13:29<dpkg>sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>.
13:29<jordanm>!moving target
13:29<dpkg>Sure, testing might be shiner that stable, but are you prepared to be continually updating your system? Things that worked today will break tomorrow. Configuration file formats will change and you'll have to fold your changes in yet again. Testing is a moving target and if you'd rather work *with* your computer rather than working *on* your computer, you might not want that. See <testing security>.
13:30<retrospectacus>message the bot
13:30<jordanm>retrospectacus: in this case, I wanted two nicks to see the factoids, so I put them in the currently non-active channel instead of spending 4 lines on !tell statements
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13:32<ale_ryu>alright! seems like I'm going to be bug hunting for some time then. Thanks guys!
13:32<ale_ryu>have a nice day!
13:33*edrz tries with xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
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13:35<kself>jordanm: !tell <user> <factoid> or /msg dpkg tell <user> <factoid>
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13:35<jordanm>thanks... I was just explaining why I did not
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13:36<kself>jordanm: ... and we've now spent five lines explaining why ;-)
13:36<nathan>hi, i ve problem with my laptop (an HP Pavilion lapto dv6-1123ef) : my cpu increase very fastly and fans run everytime... i don't have any manual for acpi_thermal and my /proc/acpi/thermal_zone is empty? Mean i don't have acpi load in my kernel or something else? (ps : acpid is running)
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13:40<arg|other>without remotely killing X, is there a way to force the local console to switch?
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13:41<edrz>well, the text mode display is certainly much nicer ...
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13:41<edrz>maybe i don't need X anymore. :)
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13:42<gravity>And you have now reached enlightenment :-)
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13:46<edrz>gravity: who, me?
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13:47<dmz>any idea why rsyslog-mysql would depend on mysql? and can i tell it to not load it as I've got a mysql cluster i'll be using; it's like installing php-mysql & it forcing mysql to be installed locally
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13:48<kself>arg|other: sudo chvt <console number>
13:48<gravity>edrz: Yeah :-)
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13:49<jordanm>dmz: it does not depend on mysql
13:49<jordanm>,depends rsyslog-mysql
13:49<judd>rsyslog-mysql -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libmysqlclient15off (>= 5.0.27-1), debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, rsyslog (= 3.18.6-4), dbconfig-common, ucf.
13:49<kself>arg|other: <ctrl><alt><F#> (function key) also generally works. If X11 is seeing your keyboard, that is (I've got the problem where it isn't on an Ubuntu box at the moment).
13:49<edrz>well, i mostly only use X to let me have lots of urxvt instances, so I might not miss it that much.
13:49<jordanm>dmz: it only depends on client libs, which makes sence. it _recommends_ mysql-server
13:49<kself>gravity: Long time no see!
13:49<edrz>but, sometimes video is useful.
13:49<arg|other>kself: no effect
13:49<kself>arg|other: What's your situation briefly?
13:49<gravity>kself: Hiya! Yeah, things have been busy for a while. How're you?
13:50<jordanm>!tell dmz about recommends
13:50<kself>gravity: Similar. Working which is a plus. More in #ot.
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13:50<edrz>anyway, i sorted it out. there's a little xorg.conf snippet in /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-video-nouveau/examples/
13:51<edrz>just put that in /etc/X11/ and startx works again and I am happy. :)
13:51<kself>arg|other: If you GPU is horribly whacked, things may not work as desired. the chvt test is a good way to see if that's the case. Can be run remotely via ssh if needs be.
13:51<arg|other>kself: tried to fire up another X session instead of using xephyr, but the client crashed
13:51<bja>How do i manage to make epiphany not to complain about a certificate from a site?
13:51<kself>arg|other: ... and ... ?
13:51<jordanm>bja: I think that question came up in the mailing list recently... let me check
13:52<arg|other>kself: i'm left with a blank screen, no keyboard control
13:52<kself>bja: Import/load the certificate. eipiphany should offer a feature for that. Check in #gnome if noboyd here knows.
13:52<arg|other>kself: killed X and all of its children
13:52<kself>arg|other: ssh in remotely or power toggle.
13:52<arg|other>kself: i'm in remotely, chvt 1 had no effect
13:52<kself>arg|other: <ctrl><alt><backspace> *should* kill X
13:52<arg|other>kself: err, i'd rather not kill the other x session if i can avoid it
13:53<arg|other>i did forget about <ctrl><alt><backspace> though, should have tried that first
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13:53<kself>arg|other: Remote: sudo chvt 1 (note that you need to run as root), and attempt a console login. I usually run 'eject' as a test to see if I'm getting keyboard input.
13:53<jordanm>bja: no, it was thunderbird that was discussed
13:54<kself>arg|other: is xephyr still running? Kill *that* X session if you can. I'm confused aobut what X session(s) (real or nested) you've got on this host. How many instances of X are running?
13:54<arg|other>kself: xephyr had been killed long before i fired up the second x server
13:55<arg|other>kself: the second x server actually worked, it was when i fired up the client that things went bad
13:55<dmz>jordanm, when i apt-get install it it queues & downloads the server
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13:55<arg|other>ok, strange
13:55<arg|other>kself: chvt 1 did not work, but chvt 7 did :)
13:55<jordanm>dmz: --without-recommends
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13:56<jordanm>!tell dmz about why recommends
13:56<kself>arg|other: Sometimes X running forces the GPU to talk only to the full SVGA video mode, not console. Don't ask me why, but gravitiy knows all ;-)
13:57<kself>arg|other: And yeah: trying multiple VTs is a Good Idea.
13:57<arg|other>now to figure out why the client wouldn't talk to the server
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14:03<bja>kself: there is no option to store the cert on epiphany
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14:04<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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14:04<Guest734>andate con calma
14:05<Guest734>perche guest734
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14:06<Cadmium01>Something weird is going on when I try to access or
14:06<Cadmium01>It takes me to a different page in chrome and opera, and firefox and epiphany do not connect. while wget downloads completely different pae
14:07<Cadmium01>Can some system variable be affecting this?
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14:07<jordanm>MITM attack...
14:08<Cadmium01>jordanm, are you asnwering me?
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14:09<jordanm>not really answering, just speculating
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14:09<Cadmium01>jordanm, I think it's only affecting geko browsers? not sure
14:10<Cadmium01>this is really freaking me out
14:10<bja>Cadmium01: try epiphany to see what it displays
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14:10<Cadmium01>bja, same thing, it wont connect
14:10<bja>Cadmium01: use a proxy to connect to it using firefox
14:11<Cadmium01>I dont have a proxy but will try to find one
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14:12<jordanm>Cadmium01: if you have a shell account somewhere, just create a SOCKS proxy
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14:13<jhutchins_lt>It might be helpful to look for proxy settings in firefox and in the general system configuration.
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14:14<Cadmium01>jhutchins_lt, where in general system conf?
14:14<jhutchins_lt>Cadmium01: If you're using gnome I can't tell you.
14:15<Cadmium01>yeah, gnome here
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14:15<jhutchins_lt>There's a control center/panel in KDE where you can find settings like that.
14:15<dr|z3d>,versions apt-proxy
14:15<judd>apt-proxy -- etch: 1.9.35-0.3; lenny:
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14:17<dr|z3d>Hmm. my bad, I thought it was a repo access issue.
14:18<tails>Cadmium01: In GNOME it would be under System -> Preferences -> Network Proxy
14:18<Cadmium01>tails, thanks. It's set to Direct internet connection
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14:20<bja>Cadmium01: google some external proxy with it might be interesting to pinpoint if you are hitting a MITM
14:21<Cadmium01>bja, I've been trying to find a proxy
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14:27<cesurasean>what is the package name for the non-free ethernet drivers?
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14:28<cesurasean>"Most firmware files are not included in the Debian system because no source code is available for them. You may need to reconfigure the package manager to include the non-free section of the Debian archive before you can install these firmware files"
14:28<cesurasean>upgrading from lenny to squeeze
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14:31<old>cesurasean: firmware-linux-nonfree.
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14:31<old>cesurasean: apt-file is your friend.
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14:32<cesurasean>old, thx
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14:44<cesurasean>apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree does not seem to work. what do i need to put in my sources.list to make it work?
14:46<gsimmons>cesurasean: Do you even need it? You encountered the same issue in February as well.
14:46<gsimmons>dpkg: e100
14:46<dpkg>[e100] the Intel PRO/100 network driver, included in mainline Linux kernels. Firmware from userspace (Debian 2.6.29 and later kernels) is only required for non-ICH devices; i.e. PCI-IDs 8086:1229 (rev 8), 8086:1229 (rev 9) and 8086:1229 (rev F/10). e100 firmware (d101m_ucode.bin, d101s_ucode.bin, d102e_ucode.bin) is packaged for Debian in firmware-linux-nonfree, ask me about <non-free sources>.
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14:47<jordanm>gsimmons: do you use plain grep for searching your logs or something else?
14:47<cesurasean>gsimmons, this is another machine and not the same one i had problems with.
14:47<cesurasean>i have it installed now.
14:49<locklace>jordanm: surely you can't have mistaken gsimmons for a human. in a previous life he was known as "master control"
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15:00<mcgreg>anyone in here using debian sid and has strange freezes? I have updated sid today and I am getting freezes, even when I start debian as "single" user
15:00<jester45>maybe its a hardware problem?
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15:02<mcgreg>jester45, no, it started with the updates. I am running it now with my usbstick, it works just fine
15:03<locklace>!broken in sid
15:03<dpkg>Well, duh, what'd you expect, of course it's broken. See <sid>.
15:04<mcgreg>I am not whining or complaining something is broken. I am just asking if somebody else has got probolems too and maybe found a solutzion
15:05<locklace>did your update include a kernel change
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15:06<mcgreg>no, and I have tried an older kernel too, same thing
15:07<locklace>so what did change
15:07<locklace>asking that question without saying what was updated is kind of lame
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15:08<mcgreg>well, thne update was quite big. I havent updatred in about 6-7 weeks
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15:08<mcgreg>though, it cant be kernel+X , since it happens without starting X too and with different kernels
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15:10<locklace>then it's going to have to be something pretty low level. start groveling through the update list focusing on things like udev
15:10<locklace>providing more details about what exactly "it" is would also not be amiss
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15:17<mcgreg>the lowest lvl I can think of is libc* , and that one has been updated too
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15:37<meowcats>trying to search bug reports for the task bar in xfce
15:37<meowcats>what would that be under?
15:37<dr|z3d>Not taskbar :)
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15:41<centyx>three cheers for me, Captain Vegetable!
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15:41<centyx>sorry, wrong window
15:41<meowcats>oh hmm, seems i fixed what i thought was a bug
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15:41<meowcats>wonder if i can reproduce it!
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16:04<ukikrk>hello, is anybody know link with debian net install unstable iso?
16:04<ukikrk>found only stable
16:04<locklace>use the stable installer and upgrade
16:05<mcgreg>I think there is no unstable instraller, just a testing one
16:05<ukikrk>is stable version contains broadcom dell wifi driver?
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16:05<locklace>!tell ukikrk about kmuto
16:07<ODDity>no mencoder for squeeze 64bit? how to convert and compress and ogv to avi or something?
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16:11<dli>does squeeze(testing) installer support resizing winFS(windows 7)?
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16:15<tails>Can't tell since the installer stops after checking the CD.
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16:19<ODDity>I've recorded a desktop session with recordmydesktop, I was hoping there would be some nice app to compress it nicely for distribution, I used mencoder before but I doesn't appear available for squeeze 64bit? Any thoughts on what I should use?
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16:22<dpkg>[dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines.
16:22<valdyn>ODDity: ^^
16:23<dli>tails, looks like winFS is on top of ntfs
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16:23<valdyn>dli: winfs exists? since when?
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16:24<dli>valdyn, so, windows 7 is only ntfs
16:24<dli>valdyn, I don't want to boot it, just want to resize and install debian
16:25<ODDity>thanks valdyn, hopefully that will do the trick
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16:33<retrospectacus> ... what the dealllyyo?
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16:35<locklace>what are you asking
16:35<locklace>fuser -m told you what's happening
16:35<retrospectacus>I don't understand what that output means
16:35<retrospectacus>of fuser -m
16:35<locklace>those are the process ids of the processes using the filesystem
16:36<locklace>much as the man page says
16:36<retrospectacus>oh, ok
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16:37<ODDity>synaptic now gives me error: im was trying to install some video encoders and such, now I'm a bit lost
16:38<ODDity>I can't remove libavcodec52 apparently because a shed load of stuff depends on it.. i'm not even sure what it is
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16:40<ODDity>mm yeah I can't upgrade any packages or anything now
16:42<jordanm>ODDity: this is typically the result of mixing repos...
16:42<old>ODDity: This is where aptitude is not as good as dpkg + apt -f install.
16:43<ODDity>uhm.. ok I had to have a bit of a mix of sid and squeeze for my nvidia drivers, I did as dpkg told me to, to get those working
16:43<old>jordanm: Not always. Sometimes stuff get moved to different package, and this problem may occur.
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16:44<old>ODDity: Try to remove libavcodec with dpkg, and then `apt-get -f install`
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16:46<ODDity>I wont remove libavcodec52 with dpkg - unless I'm doing it wrong
16:47<sortadi>hi there
16:47<sortadi>I have a LVM system setup with swap, root and home as logical volumes
16:47<sortadi>My system won't boot and I found out root got messed up due to a power outage
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16:48<sortadi>it's just root messing up the rest is fine
16:48<sortadi>could I reinstall without touching anything else except root?
16:48<old>ODDity: How do you do it?
16:48<ODDity>trying to remove libavcodec52 with dpkg did this:
16:49<old>ODDity: Force it.
16:49<ODDity>is this wise
16:49<ODDity>would that be dpkg -rf
16:49<old>ODDity: No.
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16:50<retrospectacus>sortadi: you can install Debian to the / and keep /home unmodified. Pay close attention and be careful in the partitioning step of the installer
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16:50<sortadi>retrospectacus, ok, thanks
16:50<old>ODDity: ...but if you want to avoid removing all libavcodecs dependencies...
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16:50<ODDity>It needs fixing that's all I know old
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16:52<ODDity>im not sure on command to get dpkg to force and remove
16:52<ODDity>the help is rather confusing
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16:53<old>ODDity: I sometimes solve my problems that way, but you're right - it's rather too dangerous step.
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16:54<ODDity>at the moment I can't do any upgrades
16:54<ODDity>it's fubar'd as far as Im concerned
16:54<old>ODDity: So first try to use apt.
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16:55<ODDity>apt-get install -f reports the same error
16:55<old>ODDity: ... to remove libavcodec.
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16:56<old>ODDity: Store packages that you have installed and depend on libavcodec, remove it, then install the newer version and all stored packages.
16:57<ODDity>can I comment out the sid lines in sources.list now i've got the nvidia drivers sorted?
16:57<old>ODDity: Yes.
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16:57<ODDity>old, ok, so just accepting what apt wants to do with to remove libavcodec52 and then reinstalling stuff as needed
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16:58<ODDity>and I comment out the sid lines . you sure that's ok
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16:58<old>ODDity: Looks more secure than dpkg -rf, isn't it?
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16:58<ODDity>well yah :P
16:59<jelqui>howto install driver wireless for dell mini 1011
16:59<old>ODDity: Commented line remain active until `apt-get update` or similar.
16:59<ODDity>yeah, thanks
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17:01<ODDity>uh hang on though.. removing libavcodec52 also want to remove gnome will that be a metapackage?
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17:02<old>ODDity: Perhaps. Either way you're going to install it again in a while...
17:02<ODDity>here goes then
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17:04<ODDity>mm oky I seem to have survived :P
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17:06<Spt>jordanm: hello
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17:07<Spt>i have just installed debian lenny, and now i can have access to single-user and ctrl+alt+f1 from normal mode
17:08<Spt>the problem is that i get a message from my screen that it doesnt support the current input and it needs 1024x768@60hz
17:08<Spt>so its a xorg.config fix
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17:08<Spt>how to fix and what to change..
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17:10<retrospectacus>Spt: with X running, Ctrl-Alt-F1 to tty1 and enter: DISPLAY=:0 xrandr -s 1024x768
17:10<retrospectacus>then press Ctrl-Alt-F7 to go back to X and see if it worked
17:11<gravity>No need for Ctrl- when you're in console mode
17:11<Spt>im goin to try right now
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17:21<Rovanion>Lads, what is the name of a .deb installer gui for kde?
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17:23<dondelelcaro>Rovanion: there's kpackage, but I'd strongly suggest using synaptic
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17:24<Rovanion>dondelelcaro, Open the debs in synaptic, never knew you could tough it would absolutely make sense since that is pritty much what it does
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17:24<ODDity>old, thanks for you help man, all seems well again
17:25<old>ODDity: That's great! :D
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17:25<ODDity>:) thanks x
17:25<Spt>hi again, i tried to: DISPLAY=:0 xrand -s 1024x768 but it came up with: -bash xrand: command not found
17:25<Spt>!debian edu
17:25<dpkg>it has been said that debianedu is a project that aims to provide a free software distribution that is tailored for educational scenarios such as the class room, the staff room and the administration office. Ask me about <skolelinux>.
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17:26<old>ODDity: No problem. I'm "experienced" in getting out of APT troubles...
17:27<dkr>hrm, how do you do aptitude search for a phrase aptitude search ~d"package manager" isn't doing what I want :0
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17:28<ODDity>old, dont suppose you'd know anything about why, certain applications make my audio stop working all together, forcing me to close everything and reopen a video say to get the audio back again :P
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17:29<Spt>retrospectacus, i did what u told me to do, but it doesnt regognize xrand
17:29<Rovanion>Say how do I open a .deb that I have downloaded via the web in Synaptic? I can't seem to find it in the context menus.
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17:30<ODDity>Rovanion, opem with gdeb package installer via the right click options maybe?
17:30<ODDity>soryy GDebi
17:31<dkr>ah, I needed to tilde escape the space
17:31<Rovanion>ODDity, In nautilus? I'm using kde
17:31<old>ODDity: My audio sometimes stops, when kswapd has something to fetch from disk, but after that it returns. Today it alsa caused audacity to stop playing (I had to press play again to start again). That seems to be a different problem though...
17:31<ODDity>yeah I was thinking of nautilus
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17:32<ODDity>old, yeah.. it happens for example when playing a video and opening Blender, the audio drops on the vid and wont come back unless I close and restart it - and only then if I make sure i've minimised blender - and even then not 100% of the time
17:33<Spt> i tried to: DISPLAY=:0 xrand -s 1024x768 but it came up with: -bash xrand: command not found, any ideas for fixing this graphics problem?
17:33<old>Rovanion: What do you want to do with the package? Install it, or peek what's inside?
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17:34<Rovanion>old, I want to install it. I installed gdebi and I will see if that works out for me.
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17:35<ml|>it's xrandr
17:35<old>Rovanion: The fastest way is to `dpkg -i <package>`, but gdebi should work too.
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17:36<Rovanion>Okey thanks, I got the package installed alright with gdebi
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17:41<mynis>anyone have spare time to help me get my wifi working?
17:41<old>mynis: What's the problem?
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17:42<schlurchz>Hi. How does one configure the mouse in squeeze? I've tried adding an InputClass section for pointer devices to my xorg.conf, but the setting seems to be ignored. See for my (simple) xorg.conf and the according Xorg.log snippet
17:43<Spt>when i type DISPLAY:0 xrandr -s 1024x768 it says noprotocol specified, and, can't open display:0
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17:43<mynis>well when i run iwconfig it says no wireless extensions
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17:43<mynis>and it only list "lo" and "eth0", which i believe is my ethernet connection
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17:44<mynis>i'm using a lenovo g530
17:44<old>mynis: What card do you have?
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17:44<mynis>wifi card is a broadcom 4312
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17:45<mynis>i'm kinda a noob to debian hehe, didn't feel like using ubuntu anymore
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17:45<Spt>same here
17:45<tails>me eaither
17:45<mynis>it works fine in xp and aperantly the driver works "out of the box" with the ubuntu live cd
17:45<mynis>haven't tried it myself yet
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17:46<schlurchz>From my understanding, mouse configuration has recently first moved from HAL to udev, and should now be done within xorg.conf just like in the old days (albeit using InputClass, not InputDevice)
17:46<Rovanion>Lads and ladies, I'm getting a dependency error when trying to install wacom-tools because xserver-xorg-input-wacom is in conflict with wacom-tools (< 0.10.0). wacom-tools depends on the xorg package and is of version
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17:46<dpkg>Broadcom BCM4312-based wireless LAN devices are supported by the <b43> driver. The BCM4312 low-power PHY (PCI-ID 14e4:4315) is supported as of Linux 2.6.32, install firmware-b43-lpphy-installer (contrib) in Squeeze. Lenny users: for Linux 2.6.32 packages, ask me about <bpo>; see also to provide required firmware. For BCM4312 LP-PHY support in earlier kernels, ask me about <wl>.
17:47<schlurchz>But it doesn't work
17:47<babilen>mynis: ^^^
17:47<old>mynis: Seems like you need some firmware...
17:47<babilen>!tell mynis about bpo
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17:47<babilen>!tell mynis about contrib
17:48<mynis>oh i didn't run the lenny upgrade disc yet, should i do that first?
17:48<mynis>just used the 5 install dvds
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17:48<old>mynis: I think it doesn't matter when you'll do it.
17:48<babilen>mynis: Ah, hang on .. Could you paste the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i network" in here please?
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17:49<babilen>mynis: You absolutely don't need the 5 DVDs if you want to install Debian
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17:49<mynis>04:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g [14e4:4315] (rev 01)
17:50<mynis>was the output babilen
17:50<schlurchz>usb stick image is sufficient to install Debian :)
17:50<Rovanion>Lads and ladies, I'm getting a dependency error when trying to install wacom-tools because xserver-xorg-input-wacom is in conflict with wacom-tools (< 0.10.0). wacom-tools depends on the xorg package and is of version
17:50<babilen>mynis: The netinstall image (/msg dpkg netinst) is sufficient if you have a working network connection (for example via ethernet) during the install. If you don't you just need the CD1 flavour (Gnome,KDE,XFCE,...) or DVD1
17:50<babilen>,pciid 14e4:4315
17:50<judd>[14e4:4315] is 'BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'ssb' in sid. See also and the out-of-tree 'wl' module.
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17:51<babilen>mynis: Can you connect to the network using ethernet?
17:51<babilen>mynis: s/network/internet
17:51<mynis>i'm on my laptop using debian to use this chat right now
17:52<Spt>babilen: i have installed debian lenny, cuz i had etch... :/ now i can have access to the console, so i tried DISPLAY:0 xrandr -s 1024x768 but it said can't open display:0
17:52<Spt>any ideas?
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17:53<babilen>mynis: Ah - You already installed Debian and you are trying to get the wifi working?
17:54<babilen>Spt: Why do you want to run xrandr on the CLI?
17:55<babilen>mynis: Ah, ok. dpkg should have told you about backports - You have to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list according to the factoid, install the backports keyring (you'll get an error about untrusted packages - that's fine),
17:55<babilen>mynis: You can then install a newer kernel from backports
17:55<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.5); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-12); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2)
17:55<Spt>Spt: some1 here told me this way should fix the problem, which is i cant get in debian cuz i get a screen message: Cannot display this video mode, change computer display input to 1024x768@60Hz
17:56<Spt>Babilen: some1 here told me this way should fix the problem, which is i cant get in debian cuz i get a screen message: Cannot display this video mode, change computer display input to 1024x768@60Hz
17:56<schlurchz>If it's just for the firmware, I personally would even avoid backports entirely and just install the required firmware files manually.
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17:56<babilen>schlurchz: That particular device seems to be supported "as of 2.6.32"
17:56<schlurchz>oh :)
17:57<schlurchz>so scratch that
17:57<babilen>hehe :)
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17:57<babilen>mynis: amd64 or i386?
17:58<mynis>kernel is 2.6.26 atm
17:58<schlurchz>Anyone a suggestion concerning my mouse problem?
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17:59<Rovanion>Anyone knows anything about my package problem?
17:59<babilen>mynis: You can then install a newer kernel from backports with the command "aptitude -t lenny-backports install linux-image-2.6-686"
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18:00<babilen>,versions firmware-b43-lpphy-installer
18:00<judd>firmware-b43-lpphy-installer -- sid/contrib:; squeeze/contrib:
18:01<Spt>Babilen: some1 here told me this way should fix the problem, which is i cant get in debian cuz i get a screen message: Cannot display this video mode, change computer display input to 1024x768@60Hz
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18:02<babilen>mynis: Ok - that wireless adaptor is quite some work. Sorry about that - can you follow so far?
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18:03<babilen>mynis: If you can - You would boot into the new kernel (2.6.32) and read - the standard path they speak about is indeed /lib/firmware
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18:04<old>Rovanion: If there is a conflict it's there for a reason. Choose one of the packages you want to keep and get rid of the other.
18:04<mynis>bailen: yeh, sorry i'm taking so long i'm babysitting atm, should i just get back to you if it is still not working after i update the kernel?
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18:05<bja>mynis: babysitting and linux are not compatible ;P
18:05<babilen>mynis: You can then load the "ssb" module with "modprobe ssb" -- I would check the output of "dmesg|tail -n 10" to see if it complains about missing firmware as it might be that the firmware (wl_apsta.o) needs to be placed in a different directory (/lib/firmware/broadcom or /lib/firmware/bcm or so)
18:06<Rovanion>old, No I don't think so in this case. Because wacom-tools depends on the xorg driver for wacom boards. But installing wacom-tools would result in the removal of xserver-xorg-input-wacom and -all resulting in the removal Xorg.
18:06<babilen>mynis: Test the interface by running "ifconfig -a" and "iwconfig" which should list the wireless interface - if all is fine you can proceed to
18:07<babilen>mynis: And yes - bja is right - babysitting and IRC are not that compatible. I won't be here for long as its kinda late ...
18:07<babilen>mynis: Which is more or less why i typed that all here ... :)
18:08<mynis>haha it's ok they're just sitting there watching spongebob, i have triplet cousins
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18:08<babilen>Spt: And also the reason why I don't start to support more users
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18:09<mynis>the output for "iconfig -a" is 20+ lines should i paste it?
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18:09<bja>!tell mynis about paste
18:10<Spt>i searching all over google and i cant find solution.. i read the wiki guide and nothing about it... i even join #xorg on freenode... what else..
18:10<babilen>mynis: You are done already?
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18:11<bja>Spt: still with the bad screen on etch?
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18:11<mynis>that's the output
18:11<Spt>no... i installed LENNY and waiting for orders..
18:12<mynis>just output for my wired and the loop afaik
18:12<babilen>mynis: Yeah - your wireless interface is not there
18:12<bja>mynis: sit
18:12<amphi>Spt: anything interesting in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
18:12<babilen>mynis: Have you completed all the steps I told you about?
18:12<mynis>i should just install the new kernel then reoprt back, give me a min
18:12<bja>mynis: sorry bad autocompletion
18:12<babilen>amphi, bja: Good you are here :)
18:13<amphi>hi babilen
18:13<bja>ups burned on the gatway. Scheduled replacement for tomorrow, guess the old soul didn't make it
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18:13<bja>babilen: nice to see you too
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18:14<retrospectacus>Spt: did the xrandr work?
18:14<Spt>i am a bit newb in linux world so i cant find a strange thing on files.. im just waiting for ideas, restarting, executing, and then back if there is a failure..
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18:14<Spt>retrospectacus: no it said no protocol specified, cant open display:0
18:15<retrospectacus>Spt: you should join the IRC from your debian install - go to Ctrl-Alt-F2 and run: irssi -c (apt-get install irssi)
18:15<retrospectacus>was X running?
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18:17<amphi>Spt: X would need to be running for any DISPLAY=:0 command to work
18:17<bja>Spt: can you boot?
18:17<Spt>i dont know what u mean by running
18:17<Spt>brb, booting from linux console
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18:18<old>Rovanion: Aptitude suggests downgrading xorg stuff to stable, but it's not a good solution.
18:19<Rovanion>old, My aptitude has no other suggestions than removing xorg or wacom-tools
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18:20<old>Rovanion: Maybe you're missing stable sources in sources.list?
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18:20<Rovanion>old, Well yes I am, why would I want the stable sources when I'm running testing?
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18:22<mynis>ok i added the backports addy to /etc/apt/sources.list and then ran apt-get-update, i still need to do something else to upgrade the kernel right?
18:23<old>Rovanion: They sometimes are needed... Looks like 0.10 is to be packaged and xorg is waiting for it...
18:24<Rovanion>old, Okey, I shoot of an email to the package maintainer to ask what I was to do in the meantime. This has been an issue for the last week
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18:26<old>Rovanion: I was just going to suggest filing a bug report...
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18:27<old>Rovanion: wacom-tools look untouched for a year now...
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18:28<themill>The maintainer is quite active, however.
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18:30<old>themill: I haven't noticed earlier - xserver-xorg-input-wacom is a replacement for wacom-tools... And Rovanion is out now. :(
18:30<mynis>babilen: aptitude keyring has been added, now what?
18:30<themill>old: same maintainer too, fwiw
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18:32<mynis>gonna restart real fast and see if something magic happened
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18:33<Spt>no luck..
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18:35<Spt>first when i "apt-get install irssi", it showed "could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open(13 permission denied)" and "Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
18:35<bja>Spt: Meaning?
18:35<bja>ok it means the automatic process of updating is running at that moment
18:36<bja>you just have to wait it out or kill it. As you see fit
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18:37<Spt>o rly? i typed yes... damn...@#$%@% after yes it was like crazy, showing me a line of letter "y"
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18:38<Spt>so when it tells me these stuff about lock, its just updating right?
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18:41<bja>yes, either you wait it out or you kill the apt-get process running
18:41<Spt>how did u understand that it was updating?
18:41<Spt>or downloading..
18:42<bja>Spt: i has happened to me before. Its called experience
18:43<Spt>ok mr experienced... i'll try once more
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18:44<maher>are the future 5.0.5 installer images lying around anywhere?
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18:47<maher>alternatively, can you use a squeeze d-i to install lenny?
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18:49<tails>iirc you can install stable, testing, or unstable by using a business card CD
18:50<maher>tails: lenny 5.0.4 doesn't like my network cards, but apparently the next version along will
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19:02<banished>will debian return to cdrtools with it's 3.0 release?
19:02<Spt>bja: the things u said about waiting.. how much 15 minutes? its so long.. nvm.. i'll try again tomorrow... my eyes are like blood..
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19:03<Chovynz>Hello, I am a librarian for Open Clipart Library. I have a potential problem I'd like sorted out. OCAL is a public domain clipart library, in other words, people can do anything they like with the cliparts. There is at least one clipart on OCAL that has the "open" debian swirl. I've read the licencing terms and it's not clear to me if we can have it on the public domain OCAL site. Could...
19:03<Chovynz>...someone confirm? You can read more about public domain here., the clipart in question is here :
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19:05<themill>!debian logo
19:05<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, debian logo is , . See also <debian logo font>.
19:05<Chovynz>I've read it. I need personal help here.
19:06<themill>Chovynz: requiring that things are "public domain" is pretty crazy. The logo is provided under a free, permissive licence.
19:07<Chovynz>Yes. It is pretty crazy, however public domain, can be used for any purpose, including defamatory, and or commercial use. Is the debian logo licence compatible with public domain as I understand it?
19:08<Chovynz>As for requiring public domain as crazy, that's not my call. :) I'm just following site procedures.
19:08<themill>Chovynz: public domain is (a) not a licence (b) doesn't exist in many jurisdictions and (c) things cannot be "placed into" the public domain in many more jurisdictions.
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19:10<themill>Chovynz: if you guys want to pick a debatable and US-centric bit of law, then you'll have to find some USian lawyers to help you with it. The logo may be freely used, but it is not placed into the public domain by any stretch of the imagination. In your example, it's placed into a new creative work... you can open that can of worms yourself another time.
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19:10<Chovynz>themill: Correct, that PD is not a licence. It is a waiver of licence. Does Debian want that on this logo? My gut says we can't have it, even if it is a free and permissive licence that debian logo is released under.
19:12<themill>Chovynz: you may do better to ask for opinions on either the debian-legal or debian-project mailing lists.
19:12<Chovynz>Thanks for your help themill. :)
19:12<themill>Good luck!
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19:19<tails>tomorrow I should try a daily installer to instal sid to test it.
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19:31<BoBoYsDaDDa>looking to install squeeze. why on this release page it shows 7 different dvd images? which one do i need?
19:31<old>BoBoYsDaDDa: None.
19:32<maher>BoBoYsDaDDa: if the installer supports your network hardware just use a netinstall
19:32<BoBoYsDaDDa>ok where is the small cd for squeeze for netinstall?
19:32<abrotman>BoBoYsDaDDa: you should find the netinst, much better option
19:34<BoBoYsDaDDa> thats the right page for squeeze netinstall right
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19:35<ODDity>BoBoYsDaDDa, yeah
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19:36<BoBoYsDaDDa>kk ty
19:36<BoBoYsDaDDa>i want my kde 4 back
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19:37<BoBoYsDaDDa>this is my 5th install this week trying to find something i am completely happy with
19:38<bja>BoBoYsDaDDa: try a vm so you can do it faster
19:39<BoBoYsDaDDa>oh virtual machine
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19:39<bja>if you have amd hw try kvm i works nicely
19:40<old>BoBoYsDaDDa: I don;t know if netinst asks you to choose a desktop environment. If you really want KDE, you may need to download a KDE flavoured debian-CD-1.
19:40<BoBoYsDaDDa>i'm not worried about speed of the install. because once i have it set up i don't want to have to do it again
19:41<BoBoYsDaDDa>old: when i did the netinst on lenny it allowed me to under advanced options
19:41<BoBoYsDaDDa>granted squeeze may not have that set up
19:42*old wonders why it is in advanced options...
19:42<BoBoYsDaDDa>i have no clue
19:43<tails>hopefully sqeeze install will work for you. I have had the installer stop after checking the CD 1.
19:43<bukayo>BoBoYsDaDDa: grab the newer the end of expert install just select base install
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19:43<BoBoYsDaDDa>bukayo what does base install mean?
19:43<BoBoYsDaDDa>i need to be able to configure partitions during install
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19:44<bukayo>BoBoYsDaDDa: just the minimum sets you need to boot to the terminal
19:44<maher>BoBoYsDaDDa: you can do that - base install just won't install any packages except the most essential ones
19:44<tails>base install is just the basic programs for a system. no DE. just a CUI
19:45<BoBoYsDaDDa>no i'll wait for everything to install
19:45<bukayo>BoBoYsDaDDa: once you have that then reboot..install kde-standard
19:45<BoBoYsDaDDa>oh thats how i have to install kde?
19:45<craigevil>BoBoYsDaDDa: To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at the boot prompt of any of the installers.
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19:45<bukayo>BoBoYsDaDDa: thta;s how i did it
19:46<BoBoYsDaDDa>ok i'll dig through the installer before i get started. i'll get it done one way or the other
19:47<bukayo>craigevil: I wish they add kde or gnome DE instead of just the Graphical DE- no clue what it is
19:47<bukayo>i guess it's gnome
19:48<tails>it looks to me it is GTK+
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19:56<BoBoYsDaDDa>burning disc now
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19:59<BoBoYsDaDDa>under advanced options it allows you to select the DE
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20:02<BoBoYsDaDDa>up to formatting partitions
20:02<BoBoYsDaDDa>so far so good
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20:04<tails>maybe the sid daily business card installer will work for me tomorrow.
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20:09<Brenden>I need help...I'm not sure whats wrong
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20:23<BoBoYsDaDDa>brendan what exactly are u trying to install?
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20:23<Brenden>im trying to install obmenu for OpenBox
20:24<Brenden>But it wont let me until i run `apt-get -f install`
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20:24<dondelelcaro>Brenden: your nxserver init script is broken
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20:25<dondelelcaro>Brenden: and you shouldn't ask the same question in both channels; pick one, and ask it there
20:25<Brenden>ill try reinstalling nxserver
20:25<Brenden>well no one was answering me in here for awhile
20:26<dondelelcaro>Brenden: that won't help; nxserver's initscript is fundamentally broken
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20:26<Brenden>what should i do?
20:26<Brenden>i've never had this issue
20:27<dondelelcaro>Brenden: fix nxserver's init script, or temporarily disable it
20:28<Brenden>i think i found the issue
20:28<Brenden>touch: cannot touch `/var/lock/subsys/nxserver': No such file or directory
20:29<Brenden>should i make the dir or change it to where the bin and etc of nx is?
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20:31<dondelelcaro>I don't know; nx isn't free software, so it's not something I've ever mucked with.
20:31<dondelelcaro>they have support...
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20:32<BoBoYsDaDDa>why use openbox anyway?
20:32<BoBoYsDaDDa>doesn't look better or anything
20:32<amphi>eh? openbox is a nice wm
20:33<BoBoYsDaDDa>i don't see a use for anything beyond the basic kde
20:34<dondelelcaro>BoBoYsDaDDa: that's fine; use KDE.
20:34<amphi>kde is hardly basic - many people prefer just to run a window manager, rather than a bloody great 'desktop environment'
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20:34<BoBoYsDaDDa>i was going to say i can see using it if i was able to work without a DE but i'm not that good yet
20:35<BoBoYsDaDDa>dondelelcaro not trying to trash just trying to understand why people would use it
20:35<amphi>some DEs allow you to use different WMs, dunno about kde
20:35<abrotman>because some people like it .. what's wrong with liking something else other than what you like?
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20:36<dondelelcaro>BoBoYsDaDDa: loads of reasons; for example, you're hard pressed to use KDE without resorting to the mouse all the time. See awesome for an example.
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20:36<BoBoYsDaDDa>abrotman again i was basically trying to fish for reasons for openbox didn't mean to come off like an ass
20:36<dondelelcaro>(I've used my machine for hours before noticing that the mouse was even broken, for instance...)
20:37<abrotman>BoBoYsDaDDa: it's a very small/light/fast WM .. some people prefer that over all the junk that kde/gnome install with using those DEs
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20:38<BoBoYsDaDDa>i don't think i could live without my mouse
20:39<BoBoYsDaDDa>to fresh out of winblows i suppose
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20:39<dondelelcaro>using the mouse tends to contribute to RSI (and it's often just slow) so you'll find that people who use their computers for many hours a day tend not to use them.
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20:40<dondelelcaro>(or use them rarely)
20:40<amphi>BoBoYsDaDDa: that's partly because your environment is not very keyboard-friendly, I expect
20:40<dpkg>hmm... rsi is Repetitive Strain Injury Red Sector Inc, an old amiga demo group.
20:40<BoBoYsDaDDa>ah kk
20:41<abrotman>or get a keyboard with a trackpoint in the middle!
20:41<maher>woohooo - install is up and running - thanks to kenji muto's images...
20:42<BoBoYsDaDDa>i hate trackpoint. have thought of switching to a trackball but haven't found one that was small and portable for my lappy
20:42<amphi>BoBoYsDaDDa: trackpoint? or trackpad? trackpoint is the small stick in the keyboard
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20:43<BoBoYsDaDDa>trackpoint that little nub inbetween g h and b
20:43<BoBoYsDaDDa>alot of military computers have it and on them its irritatingly slow
20:43<abrotman>sounds misconfigured
20:44<BoBoYsDaDDa>yeah but on military comps they are so restricted without admin rights u can't fix it
20:44<amphi>the thinkpad ones work well; the toshiba one I saw was not nearly as pleasant
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20:44<abrotman>let's blame the hardware because the software sucks?
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20:47<BoBoYsDaDDa>considering it has been my only experience with it yeah thats what i learned from it
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20:52<tails>lol I just realized my scroll wheel on mouse works in X.
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21:00<amphi>tails: so does mine, and I don't have one ;)
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21:01<BoBoYsDaDDa>debian squeeze netinstall worked perfectly
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21:02<amphi>cool - what kernel does it have now? .32-3 ?
21:02<tails>BoBoYsDaDDa: good to hear.
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21:03<tails>32-12 is in sid iirc
21:03<BoBoYsDaDDa>luckily uname -r is one of the few commands i have down
21:03<tails>lol me too
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21:07<BoBoYsDaDDa>brb switching to linux
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21:07<boboysdadda>ok i'm back
21:08<Rhapsody>Well I've got quite a webcam problem. On Ubuntu Karmic with GNOME, I just switch the audio input to the webcam, fire up Cheese, and record with full video and sound. Same webcam on Debian testing/unstable and KDE, switch audio input to the webcam, fire up Cheese, get perfect video but no sound.
21:08<Rhapsody>Same webcam, different PCs, different distro, very different results. What could be causing this?
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21:09<boboysdadda>anyone know the backport repo off the top of their head so i can install flash?
21:09<Rhapsody>I'm guessing the problem probably lies somewhere in the specifics of how ALSA is configured on this PC (the one I get no webcam sound on), but I don't know where to start.
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21:12<Rhapsody>This is the usual response I get. The words "webcam" and "Linux" seem to terrify everyone.
21:13<abrotman>Rhapsody: you might want to make sure the OSS compat stuff is loaded
21:13<Rhapsody>I'd use the other PC for my videos, but it's REALLY slow. The one it won't work on happens to be my power system.
21:13<boboysdadda>sorry Rhapsody i have no knoledge on that stuff
21:14<tails>boboysdadda: deb
21:14<Rhapsody>abrotman: How do I know if that's loaded then?
21:14<abrotman>Rhapsody: lsmod .. look for the *oss* stuff
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21:14<boboysdadda>ty tails do i just put squeeze on the end
21:14<abrotman>it's just a guess .. i don't use cheese .. i'd be surprised if it doesn't use alsa .. but you never know
21:15<tails>yes like squeeze main or whatever
21:15<Rhapsody>snd_pcm_oss and snd_mixer_oss are listed. Also, I'm not particuarly attached to Cheese. I'll use anything if it'll get me a full video with sound.
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21:16<Rhapsody>I just use Cheese because it's simple.
21:17<boboysdadda>squeeze main didn't work
21:17<abrotman>Rhapsody: do any recording applications work? like audacity?
21:18<Rhapsody>I haven't tried anything like that, I'll give it a go.
21:20<boboysdadda>why would nano etc/apt/sources.list open a new file?
21:20<tails>boboysdadda: name of distro should be lenny-backports
21:21<Rhapsody>abrotman: Wow, two bits of progress in one day. Perfect sound from Audacity
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21:23<boboysdadda>ah hadd to have /etc/apt/sources.list
21:23<Rhapsody>But crucially, only if I *MANUALLY* select the webcam as opposed to my soundcard's audio input. If I leave it at default, silence.
21:24<Rhapsody>So Cheese clearly isn't choosing the correct audio input. But how do I tell it what to do? Better still, how do I tell my entire system?
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21:27<Rhapsody>I already had this problem back when ALSA wanted to use the webcam as my default audio OUTPUT. This looks like Round 2.
21:28<Rhapsody>Webcam in, soundcard out. It's simple, but ALSA doesn't seem to get it.
21:28<abrotman>Rhapsody: that's kind of goofy, i'd maybe check the or ask #alsa on
21:29<Rhapsody>Yeah, ALSA is goofy. That's well established, I need to change its nappy again.
21:30<noahfinity>i'm worried about a process running on my server
21:30<noahfinity>maybe harmless.. it is getty
21:30<noahfinity>a quick man mentioned opening ports
21:31<boboysdadda>i can't find the flash package can someone please point me in the right direction. i thought it was on the backports package
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21:32<abrotman>boboysdadda: aren't you using squeeze ?
21:32<abrotman>!tell boboysdadda about non-free
21:32<boboysdadda>yeah i just added that package thanks
21:32<boboysdadda>just dawned on me
21:34<boboysdadda>good its working thnks
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21:34<noahfinity>getty seems responsible for the login prompt.. cool
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21:37<k-man>can you get the source of a package using aptitude?
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21:39<abrotman>k-man: no
21:40<dr|z3d>abrotman: Feeling ironic this evening? *chuckle*
21:41<dr|z3d>Maybe I should check scrollback for context.
21:41<abrotman>of what?
21:41<dr|z3d>Your reply :)
21:41<abrotman>to who about what?
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21:42<dr|z3d>Nevermind *chuckle*
21:42*dr|z3d passes abrotman the reefer.
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21:43<abrotman>dr|z3d: what are you talking about? you're not making any sense?
21:45<abrotman>right .. so dr|z3d is not making sense as usual ..
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21:47<dr|z3d>In other news, are you good, abrotman? :)
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21:47<abrotman>dr|z3d: just go to bed or be quiet or something ..
21:48*dr|z3d opts for the third option. And winks.
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21:56<boboysdadda>dpkg kpowersave
21:56<dpkg>kpowersave was a utility for managing battery life on notebooks: coordinating processor speed reduction, suspend-to-RAM, suspend-to-disk, backlight brightness etc to help your battery last longer or make your system quieter. Removed from Debian post-Lenny to resolve bug #539999, replaced by powerdevil in <KDE4>. Ask me about <power saving> for other options.
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21:57<boboysdadda>yeah sorry forgot the /msg
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22:09<boboysdadda>what was the command to check my graphics driver?
22:10<ODDity>glxinfo ?
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22:10<boboysdadda>that didn't work sorry i should be more specific
22:10<boboysdadda>i'm trying to make sure that nvidia-glx installed properly
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22:10<ODDity>glxinfo | grep nvidia ?
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22:11<boboysdadda>i don't have a glxinfo command
22:11<ODDity>oh.. well it comes with mesa-utils
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22:12<boboysdadda>whats mesa utils? dpkg doesn't know
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22:12<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, glxinfo is a useful program, especially when debugging dri/glx stuff found in xbase-clients, or now in mesa-utils
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22:12<boboysdadda>i don't debug
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22:13<ODDity>it give you what you need
22:15<ODDity>then you can either scour the whole glxinfo report or do something like glxinfo | grep vendor
22:15<Rhapsody>I think I'm getting closer to fixing my ALSA problem, but one guy in the #alsa channel suggested 'gstreamer-properties', neglecting to tell me anything about what it is, how to access it, or how the hell to USE it. So what is it?
22:16<amphi>< boboysdadda> i don't debug - that's something of a flw for someone using testing ;)
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22:16<boboysdadda>probobly so. let me say this then.
22:16<boboysdadda>I don't have a freaking clue how to debug
22:17<ODDity>I thought you just wanted information on the drivers it's using
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22:17<boboysdadda>pretty much
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22:17<ODDity>it's not a big deal just install mesa-utils and see if it gives you what you want then
22:18<boboysdadda>how do u exit a man file?
22:18<boboysdadda>k i was trying x
22:18<boboysdadda>like nano
22:19<amphi>at least you hadn't yet resorted to PLOKTA ;)
22:19<boboysdadda>ok so i enter glxinfo and it tells me no protocol specified. Error: unable to open display :0.0
22:21<ODDity>so you haven't actually got the driver installed then
22:22<ODDity>sorry man I thought you'd done that already
22:22<boboysdadda>i thought i had
22:23*Xenguy continues his epic struggle with wireless :-) ...
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22:23<ODDity>you installed teh
22:23<ODDity>ah well
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22:25<dpkg>[prism] a family of wireless LAN chipsets produced by Intersil/Conexant. For Prism54 (802.11g) chipset support, ask me about <p54>. For Prism 2/2.5/3 (802.11b) chipset support, ask me about <hostap>, <linux-wlan-ng> or <orinoco>; see also <which prism2 driver>. Device list: . See also <prism firmware>.
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22:27<boboysdadda>figured it out
22:27<boboysdadda>was missing the nvidia-xconfig
22:27<boboysdadda>alright i'm done screwing around for the night. thankyou everyone.
22:27<boboysdadda>have a goodnight
22:27<ODDity>well done :)
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22:32<home_>alguem sabe me informar como funciona os servidores de NF?
22:33<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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22:36<home_>are you brazilian?
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22:37<bja>nop but i do understand some portuguese and according to my watch either you are a normal brazilian or one early portuguese bird :)
22:37<abrotman>or late?
22:37<home_>how i entry in this communit?
22:38<home_>i m novice
22:38<bja>read, read and keep reading
22:38<abrotman>home_: /join #debian-br
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23:00<jones_>why am i gettting package corrupt errors such as the following: Warning: was corrupt
23:00<jones_>i've tried at least 5 different mirrors
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23:01<old>jones_: Make sure it's removed from APT's cache each time you try.
23:02<jones_>oh sorry i forgot to mention it's the base system install for ARM
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23:03<jones_>this is the syslog if that helps
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23:13<Rapsodius>Hi! I'm having the exact same problem than this guy:
23:13<Rapsodius>yes, I know this is debian
23:14<Rapsodius>But I'm having the same "The UTS release version in includeɎolinuxɎoversion.h
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23:15<Rapsodius> does not match the current version
23:18<Rapsodius>Please assist
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23:28<simonrvn>Rapsodius: did you try running just a simple `make' inside the kernel source tree?
23:29<simonrvn>i've done that on occasion when it was doing that to me. generally make-kpkg takes care of that stuff.
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23:38<Rapsodius>a simple make?
23:38<Rapsodius>I want a .deb not a binart
23:40<Rapsodius>the trouble is, make-kpkg is an outdated version (ie, stable)
23:40<Rapsodius>and it is bugged with 2.6.33+ kernels
23:40<Rapsodius>and I'm not root, so I cant modify, nor upgrade kernel-package
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23:51<_Aonix>I'm looking for a package that provides some sort of filesytem monitoring that will alert me if some files are modified / created / deleted
23:51<_Aonix>any suggestions?
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23:52<_Aonix>384 ppl here and no answers? :S
23:53<old>_Aonix: Only some are active.
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23:53<_Aonix>some heheh
23:53<old>_Aonix: You may try to use one of FUSE based filesystems.
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23:54<_Aonix>there's not a soft (like SNORT) that would do this on ext3?
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23:56<_Aonix>I've read about inotify, I could, I guess, make something in C/C++ easily... but I was looking for an already existing solution (like snort but for filesystem)
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23:57<Rapsodius>What the heck was that exodus?
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23:57<Rapsodius>server down maybe?
23:57<old>_Aonix: Browse FUSE's catalogue of filesystem based on it.
23:58<old>!tell _Aonix about FUSE
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