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#debian IRC Logs for 2010-05-20

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00:01<Rapsodius>simonrvn, if you're still there, I managed to solve the problem by editing a kernel header, since make-kpkg expected the version to be in other header
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00:37<WFFC>is anybody there ?
00:37<Guest799>how can i install firefox?
00:38<jones_>package manager
00:39<Guest799>jones_, obviously, but what is the package name?
00:39<WFFC>someone know about the Alfa AWUS036NH 2000mW
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00:40<jones_>Guest799: it's listed as iceweasel
00:41<Guest799>jones_, err, yeah but that's not firefox, it's a re-edited release of firefox, i want mozilla firefox not someone elses version of it
00:41<jscinoz>Anyone know a standalone presentation program thats in the repo? I really don't want to install ooffice just for impress.
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00:42<Guest799>jscinoz, scribus?
00:42<jscinoz>Guest799: the only difference is that the logo was replaced and all instances of "firefox" were changed to "iceweasel"
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00:42<dpkg>Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces it in Debian as of Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader.
00:42<jscinoz>Guest799: I'll look at that thanks, i thought it was more of a publishing type program rather than presentation, i must be misinformed
00:43<Guest799>jscinoz, i don't use it much so i don't know much about it, that and i don't do many presentations... but it's similar to what your looking for i believe
00:43<jscinoz>I wonder if i could use latex for presentations....
00:43<jscinoz>i already use it for my reports and stuff
00:43<WFFC>i need help
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00:44<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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00:56<root_>hi, i have a problem with airodump-ng sometimes its work sometimes not i try to crack my own wpa2 key but i dont see any networking what i should do ?
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00:58<root_>oh and im running backtrack 4 into virtualbox can someone help me pls
00:58<kr3w>surprisingly got xubuntu to look super nice after severe modding ...
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01:00<kr3w>someone free to help?
01:01<kr3w>messed something up but don't know how to fix
01:01<kr3w>should be minor...
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01:31<firefox>I get /etc/init.d/mysql: line 141: VERBOSE: unbound variable from /etc/init.d/mysql restart?
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01:34<jesus>does anyone know of a distro that would make an easy installation for a dell 15 studio. Looking for a torrent or site. Any recommendations?
01:36<jm_>what do you think people will recommend in #debian?
01:37<jesus>not sure.
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01:38<jesus>just joking. Lenny of course but I am looking more for a downloadable distro that won't need internet connection. Don't have lan connection.
01:39<jm_>you can get the DVD images then
01:39<lac_>jscinoz: you can use latex, but its not easy to use. I use python-point. see:
01:40<jesus>thought so
01:40<jscinoz>lac_: thanks, I'll give that a look, although i might still use latex + the beamer class since i am familiar with latex already
01:41<lac_>jscinoz: then that will be easier for you. It's the learning latex for the first time that is hard.
01:41<jscinoz>thanks for that link however, it is good to know of alternative programs
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02:07<mysticsilent>hi guys, can someone help me? i'm running debian squeeze 64 bit with kernel 2.6.34-rc6-lldesktop-amd64 and when i try to run the command: aptitude safe-upgrade get a message from cron with halt that stops the installation
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02:10<mysticsilent>this error it gives: cron (3.0pl1-110) unstable; urgency=low
02:11<mysticsilent>is anyone familiar with this ?
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02:18<amitz>assuming you're aware of safe-upgrade and the consequences.... why do you run safe-upgrade anyway?
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02:18<gsimmons>Xenguy: Still having issues? Is this your Prism 2.5 device?
02:19<amitz>oh, gone. oh well.
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02:25<alys>My gnome desktop has lost its top and bottom panels. Please, how can I get them back?
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02:28<firefox>would dpkg-reconfigure gnome be a little extreme? or gnome-menu or something
02:28<alys>Thanks - I can try that
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02:29<firefox>alys, might be a little much, there is probably an easier fix haha
02:29<firefox><~~~~ not an expert haha
02:29<alys>I shall not blame you if it goes wrong! ;-)
02:30<alys>dpkg-reconfigure gnome does nothing....
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02:31<alys>I'm using xfce4 and that will do for now....
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02:32<firefox>try it with gnome-menus
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02:34<alys>gnome-menus: command not found
02:34<firefox>dpkg-reconfigure gnome-menus?
02:36<firefox>you might need to end your session and restart it after
02:36<alys>I can try that - thanks.
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03:35<screenn>what kind of storage area network technologies are supported in debian?
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03:36<dpkg>i guess san is a storage area network or old news with a flashy new name
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03:36<screenn>!storage area network
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03:40<Myon>fc, iscsi, ...
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04:03<dpkg>hmm... iscsi is
04:03<screenn>ok :)
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04:06<mansi>hey friends, i need to install debian from network, such that my laptop is server
04:06<mansi>what all procedure to be followed?
04:06<future>Sorry to bother you, my English is not very good, would like to ask a question
04:06<mansi>how can i setup repo in my laptop
04:06<future>who can help me?
04:07<future>Thank you
04:08<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
04:08<future>当我使用mutt,出现mailbox is unchanged
04:08<future>When I use mutt, there mailbox is unchanged
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04:09<future>ok Me know
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04:10<future>I have a problem with ,mutt Mailbox is unchanged
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04:12<future>I just learned how to use xchat, please understand
04:13<dpkg>cn is, like, China, or for help in chinese please join #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
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04:16<future>thank you very much
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04:26<ifvoid>my cdrom drive doesn't seem to be detected
04:26<ifvoid>nothing in /dev/, nothing in dmesg
04:26<ifvoid>shouldn't loading sr_mod be sufficient (it's a SATA cdrom drive)
04:27<jm_>first check if SATA driver found it
04:27<ifvoid>there's nothing in dmesg that suggests it does
04:27<ifvoid>it only seems to detect 2 harddisks
04:27<ifvoid>which is correct
04:28<jm_>does BIOS detect it? do you perhaps have 2 SATA controllers?
04:28<ifvoid>not according to lspci
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04:28<ifvoid>yeah, rebooting to check the bios was my next option
04:28<jm_>which motherboard is it?
04:29<ifvoid>an unnamed Dell board with intel chipset
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04:39<jm_>yeah it only shows two link up messages
04:40<jm_>but what is this ata5: DUMMY
04:42<snogglethorpe>("whoever bought this piece of junk is a DUMMY"?)
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04:44<jm_>code says: disabled/not-implemented port
04:44<jm_>so check that too
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05:14<vsn>can tar be used to create split rchives
05:14<vsn>like say of 5 mb each
05:15<locklace>vsn: man split
05:15<koollman>tar can do that too. I still think it's easier with split
05:15<vsn>ok...looking at the man page now
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05:16<koollman>(gnu tar, at least. -M option. but I so rarely use it that I always end up just piping to split)
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05:22<vsn>thanks ppl
05:22<vsn>koollman & locklace
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05:26<DaDa|Urka>Which directories do I have to move to the DRBD-device if I am using tomcat and HA?
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05:27<DaDa|Urka>Is it okay to move only /var/lib/tomcat5.5/webapps to a DRBD-Device?
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05:29<Spt>hello.. its me again...
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05:30<keygee>Hi all, I'm having a problem with a server with etch in it: after a crash, fsck made many fixes and after that, some various files were changed (rubbish appended at the end of them). After cleaning all that i found, the system seems to run again, but when i run sudo i receive an segmentation fault.
05:32<keygee>I' ve seen tha at the end of sudo -V there is / 0xffffff00... normal? thanks!
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05:32<jm_>keygee: why are you still using etch? did you run debsums?
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05:32<babilen>keygee: Time to restore from the backups - or fix sudo by reinstalling it (and all other affected packages). Apart from that I would strongly encourage you to upgrade to lenny as security support for etch has been dropped
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05:33<keygee>you are right... it's an old system that works for years without a problem, and i never touched for years...
05:33<jm_>looks like that's about to end ;)
05:33<babilen>keygee: Run debsums as suggested by jm_ to find affected/broken packages ...
05:34<babilen>keygee: Or restore from backups (if you have any that is)
05:34<keygee>you are all right... i try debsums right now....
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05:36<babilen>keygee: You might also want to check your hardware as the HDD might be broken - check out smartmontools for that
05:36<keygee>there isn't in this machine.... try to install.... about restore yes you are right... i have backups of critical files, not of all the system...
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05:36<DaDa|Urka>Which directories do I have to move to the DRBD-device if I am using tomcat and HA?
05:37<babilen>keygee: Some backups at least - Good luck. If you need further help just ask
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05:38<keygee>ops... broken files than apt-get stops during installation... it's the end! ;-)
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05:38<babilen>DaDa|Urka: #tomcat on might know - You can also just mount your DRDB-device as /var/whatever after replicating applicable files there
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05:39<DaDa|Urka>babilen: #tomcat is nearly dead, the problem is, which files (or which directories) are applicable
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05:39<tsr>I have a problem with squeeze/ati r200/neverball, many forums involved hoping for a unified place, where should I post?
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05:41<babilen>DaDa|Urka: I have no experience with tomcat and DRDB-devices unfortunately - By applicable files I meant something like: "If you mount your DRDB device as /var you would have to sync the complete /var to the DRDB device first, if you mount it as /var/lib/tomcat you have to sync /var/lib/tomcat to the DRDB device before mounting it ... and so on"
05:42<keygee>do you think I can force apt-get to install or remove something? as a last chance....
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05:43<jm_>keygee: what does it say?
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05:44<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
05:44<keygee>missing file of packet ..... for 2 packets, then too many errors...
05:44<jm_>right, that's probably from dpkg - touch them and reinstall
05:45<keygee>ah ok thanks try right now....
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05:45<DaDa|Urka>babilen: mhhh, my first idead was to move onl y/var/lib/tomcat5.5/webapps to the DRBD
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05:46<babilen>DaDa|Urka: I would discuss the best scheme in #tomcat or on their ML - I am not familiar with it so I can not provide good advice for that - sorry :-\
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05:47<babilen>DaDa|Urka: But that sounds like a start (or /var/lib/tomcat5.5)
05:47<keygee>ops... "missing file with the list of files of the packet libavcodec0d" ... i don't know position and name of that file.... is there a way to find it?
05:47<DaDa|Urka>babilen: okay, thx!
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05:48<babilen>keygee: Are you sure that installing lenny and configuring the formerly provided services might not be easier than fixing your broken etch installation?
05:49<jm_>keygee: /var/lib/dpkg/info - but if that is gone it's likely many other files there are also missing, recover from backup if you have this backed up
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05:51<keygee>babilen: you are right, but there are more than 200 clients attached to that openvpn server, and I hoped to solve this without switching off that machine....
05:51<jm_>I doubt that's a good idea - there are just too many broken files it seems
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05:53<babilen>keygee: Does the server still provides services without problem? Do you have a backup machine on which you could setup the replacement (probably as a virtual machine) before switching?
05:53<keygee>yes you are all right.... put a new disk then i recover keys and other stuff to the new lenny.... i'm a bit angry with mdadm: all two disk of my raid1 where in the same condition... anyway thanks all for support!
05:54<jm_>you mean corrupted? well that makes sense if the problem was in fs layer as opposed to hardware issue
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05:55<babilen>keygee: Good luck! Hope it is not too much work and none of your clients will storm into your office with pitchforks and torches ;)
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05:57<keygee>eheheh!! if something goes wrong, I have to run for all italy to change my crt/key files of all clients.... thanks again!
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06:14<Curan>hi, is the udev version in testing known to not work with a 2.6.34 kernel? Because I can boot without problem in my kernel but not into the 2.6.34 kernel (which was even built with oldconfig)
06:15<Curan>in the 2.6.34 case I see a line like "udevadm(1234): Connection refused" and then it searches for the root filesystem indefinetly
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06:21<vsn>hi, whats command for making a directory in a SVN repository?
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06:23<fhf>hi all :) do you know if i can found a motherboard that has a full suport for the debian project or system..i need one defenatly wihtout intergrated sound on it for lan and video i dont care so much if they colaborate normaly with the hole system bat i would prefare it naked
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06:25<fhf>you think maybe i can found one on ebay or in a local store?
06:25<icebrain>fhf: since AFAIK hardware support is more kernel dependent than distro dependent, and assuming you want to use Linux, maybe you can try ##hardware at freenode
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06:28<fhf>ok thanx icebarin for the info i will go there in a while ...what the hell is afaik is guy i knoe ?lol i am kiding...
06:29<dpkg>methinks afaik is As Far As I Know
06:29<fhf>you mena this is an irc spot for developers talking about the kernel?
06:30<icebrain>fhf: no, it's a channel for support on hardware issues, mainly Linux-related as far as I can tell
06:31<fhf>nice icebrain you mean about the chanel you sugested me to check for info about hardware
06:31<icebrain> /connect, then /join ##hardware
06:31<icebrain>fhf: yes
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06:32<fhf>i asked you before about the chanel i am right now bat thats ok with me no problem
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06:32<Curan>vsn: do you want to create the empty repository (svnadmin create) or bring a directory with data in it under version control (svn import and svn co)? Good reading about SVN
06:32<fhf>i mean nothing to wory about:)
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06:32<icebrain>fhf: oh, this channel is for general Debian support.
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06:35<se7en_>what file do i have to edit to disable eth0 on boot. so a root user would have to enable it via #ifconfig eth0 up when he needs it
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06:36<jm_>se7en_: depends how networking is configured, but typically: man interfaces
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06:41<francisc>se7en_ : comment out 'auto eth0' from /etc/networks/interfaces
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06:43<fhf>ice barin i dont like religius staf spreding
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06:44<fhf>bat to you belive in god?
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06:50<fhf>maybe you take a look
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06:54<fhf>ok thanx for the ice bekause i was feelin hot bye
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06:55<dr|z3d>You smoked him out, themill!
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07:29<anita>n o ables callate so marika ke llo me entero
07:29<themill>!es-socal anita
07:29<anita>eii colegaa
07:29<themill>!es-social anita
07:29<dpkg>anita: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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07:42<linda>ola anita
07:42<anita>ola linidaa
07:42<linda>soi lindaaaa
07:42<anita>ke ases ?
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07:43<themill>!es-social linda, anita
07:43<dpkg>linda, anita: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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07:55<cmot_>Any / nfs wizard around? Since a few days, lots of our files in an nfs (v3) environment are locked ( "is locked for editing by unknown user")
07:55<cmot_>Some files work.
07:56<cmot_>I've found a few stale .~lockXXX# files and that solved a few of the cases, but most of the files I've tried are still locked.
07:56<cmot_>New files can be created and edited just fine.
07:56<cmot_>the save as with new name and move back trick seems to work, but that's not realistic for tens of thousands of files of our 100 and odd users...
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08:01<dbvolio>where i could find a list of linux radio pannels?
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08:01<dbvolio>i tryed everywhere:((
08:01<dbvolio>hint plss
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08:02<dbvolio>or what other radio pannel should i use besides centova??
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08:32<Xenguy>gsimmons: Hi - thanks for your message (just woke up here :-) Yes, still trying to get the Prism 2.5 to work. Currently trying to find a way to get my installed linux to behave like the linux live CD, since with the latter, wireless works.
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08:34<gsimmons>Xenguy: Which driver are you using? Is WPA a requirement?
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09:45<lancelot_of>hi all, i'm trying to access to my nokia n73 by mean of blueman but it answers "Device associated but connection failed", how to solve?
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09:47<lancelot_of>however if i try to send it a file all goes ok, but if i try to explore the device i get "File doesn't exist", what does it mean?
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10:14<eightyeight>how can i find out when the last successful update occured?
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10:19<eightyeight>hmm. i found my answer on /var/log/dpkg.log.1, but wondering if there's a command for getting the same info with dpkg or apt?
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10:29<chealer>eightyeight: I would be surprised if there was one
10:30<eightyeight>yeah, i'm not finding anything
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10:51<Spt>hello, does any1 have any good mood helping me out with a xorg problem?
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10:53<ODDity>Spt, perhaps you could elaborate, i'm sure someone might help
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10:56<Spt>I have installed debian lenny and i cant get in because the screen(not from debian) shows a message: cannot display this video mode, change computer display input to 1024x768@60Hz.
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10:58<kop_>Spt: Can you hold down Ctrl-Alt-F1 and get to a console? If so then then "X --configure" at the console should help.
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11:00<kop_>!tell Spt about xorg config lenny
11:00<Spt>i can have access to console, but i dont know how to use commands
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11:00<kop_>Spt: You type them. Then you press the return key.
11:01<Spt>I dont know the commands to type them..
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11:01<kop_>Spt: I told you what to type. It's in "quotes".
11:01<Spt>I used to have ubuntu, so no experience with these.
11:01<ODDity>As said, you should try X --configure
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11:01<Spt>ok, i will try and come back..
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11:02<kop_>Spt: You can also use a command to do irc.
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11:02<ODDity>just out of interest kop_ why am I using XF86Config instead of xorg.conf on squeeze? is it normal
11:02<kop_>Spt: This is recommeded in cases like this. You need to know about Ctrl-Alt-Fn, to switch between consoles 1 to 5 so you can have multiple logins at once.
11:03<kop_>ODDity: Dunno. I don't do squeeze. It does not sound right....
11:03<ODDity>I think it changed after isntalling the nvidia modules and stuff from sid as per dpkg's instructions
11:03<Spt>i tryied to get irssi but i got a message: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock -open(13 Permission denied)
11:03<ODDity>it's fine it works and everything
11:04<kop_>Spt: You need to be root to install packages.
11:04<centyx>Spt: were you root/su when you tried to "get irssi?"
11:04<Spt>and: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you the root?
11:04<Spt>how i can be the root
11:04<centyx>spt: either login as root, or type "su -"
11:04<kop_>Spt: With sudo or su. (I prefer su myself.)
11:05<kop_>centyx: FYI, the - is no longer necessary as of lenny. They fixed the bug.
11:05<Spt>so i type, sudo apt-get install irssi
11:05<centyx>kop_: bug?
11:05<kop_>Spt: Yes. (But you're better off using aptitude instead of apt-get.)
11:05<kop_>centyx: Yes. Having to use - was a bug.
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11:06<kop_>centyx: L
11:06<kop_>A long standing one.
11:06<centyx>kop_: - isn't a bug, it changes the behavior of su ( - = simulate login, rather than keep user's envs etc )
11:06<Spt>and how do i use the ctrl+alt+Fn
11:06<kop_>centyx: Except it was supposed to do that by default when becoming root.
11:06<Spt>i have only a account.. i can login more than once?
11:07<centyx>kop_: ah, I've never been on a system that did that by default
11:07<kop_>Spt: Sure. It's multi-user. :-)
11:07<kop_>centyx: It affected all the Linux distros.
11:07<ODDity>Spt, Fn mean the various F keys above the numbers F1 - F12
11:07<ml|>eightyeight: take a look at logwatch
11:07<centyx>kop_: including SunOS
11:07<Spt>more than once with the same user? ( i know about the Fuction keys)
11:07<centyx>kop_: since the 90s....
11:08<Spt>thnxs, gonna try now..
11:08<ODDity>spt - you can get consoles on the F keys F1 to F6 by pressing Ctrl + alt F1 - F6
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11:09<kop_>centyx: Yup. You can find it in bts if you like. Something in one of the login.conf files or some such. It's been there for as long as I can recall, since the 90's. Maybe it's a change in posix or something.
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11:11<ODDity>I ask about my audio issues again as they're still bugging me: Basically opening some applications stops audio working in all others which then have to be closed down and re-opened again. So watching a video in VLC, then opening Blender for example, audio cuts out and wont return until I close all other applications using audio (rhythmbox, vlc) Sometimes the audio doesn't return at all until I close everything
11:12<kop_>ODDity: squeeze? Otherwise perhaps bpo would help.
11:12<ODDity>squeeze yeah
11:12<kop_>ODDity: Perhaps you should file a bug.
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11:13<ODDity>perhaps - i'm not sure I explain the bug efficiently enough - I suppose I'd need to know what outputs I could grab to make tracking it down easier
11:13<ml|>dpkg: dmix
11:13<dpkg>dmix is, like, an <ALSA> subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See or another sample asound.conf at or
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11:15<ODDity>ml|, oky I'll try that thanks
11:15<eightyeight>ml|: i'm familiar with logwatch, but that's parsing logfiles directly. i was hoping something would be built into dpkg or apt directly, seeing as though it's responsible for the installs/upgrades
11:15<ODDity>haven't seen it before
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11:17<ml|>eightyeight: yes, I know; better than nothing and logwatch sends a nice detailed mail about what was updated, removed and installed
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11:17<eightyeight>ml|: yes, it is. and i love logwatch/logrotate. just hoping for something higher level
11:17<eightyeight>ml|: thx anyway. :)
11:18<ml|>just mentioned it incase you did not know :)
11:19<ODDity>ml|, perhaps I should have elaborated.. multiple instances of VLC work fine, as do rhythmbox and vlc and playing some flash video in iceweasel - would those links still apply?
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11:20<ml|>ODDity: so you do get multiple sounds at once with different apps?
11:21<amphi>ODDity: blender is the only program that does this?
11:21<ODDity>no,Warzone2100 has the same effect
11:21<amphi>ODDity: what if you run blender first? is sound thereafter blocked for other programs?
11:21<ODDity>sometimes no
11:22<ODDity>in fact, most of the time they will work if I open blender first
11:22<ODDity>it's not 100% reliable
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11:22<ODDity>but the same is true for warzone2100.. I can switch to windowed mode after it's working and then get sound in teamspeak and such
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11:23<amphi>does lsof reveal anything?
11:23<ml|>can't hurt to try dmix factoid, but not sure that will work for you
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11:23<ODDity>lsof reveals lots of things.. im a looking for something specific
11:24<amphi>ODDity: are you running an sound daemon like pulseaudio or whatever?
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11:24<ODDity>no pulse.. just debian-alsa-all it hink
11:24<ODDity>i certainly do not have pulseaudio installed
11:25<amphi>perhaps you should try pulseaudio and see if it solves the problem ;)
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11:25<ODDity>no thanks amphi
11:25<ml|>heh, try dmmix first ;)
11:25<amphi>ODDity: it might at least move the problem about a bit
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11:26<ODDity>yeah.. i'm not really "in to" the whole moving problems around thing
11:26<amphi>the world is against you on that one ;)
11:26<ml|>ODDity: how about esound is it installed?
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11:27<ODDity>it wasn't
11:27<ODDity>but it is now
11:27<ml|>you installed it?/
11:27<ODDity>just then yeah
11:27<ODDity>shall i remove it again
11:27<boboysdadda>can someone please click this link. its for a podcast nothing malicious and tell me what i need to setup to make it work? running squeeze kde4
11:28<ODDity>boboysdadda, I recommend using pastebin for such things
11:28*amphi recommends tinyurl to boboysdadda
11:28<boboysdadda>sorry i didn't realize it was that long of a link. i'll tiny it
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11:29<ODDity>ml|, about esound?
11:29<ml|>no, just asking; but logout then back in and see if that fixes your issue and don't do the dmix thing now
11:29<ODDity>ok thanks.. brb
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11:31<boboysdadda>when i click download missing plugins it says unknown pluging (audio/mpeg)
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11:32<amphi>boboysdadda: FWIW, mplayer '' works
11:32<ml|>seems you need windows mediaplayer plugin
11:33<amphi>huh? it's an mp3
11:33<boboysdadda>ml|, is there a linux replacement i can use?
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11:33<amphi>AUDIO: 44100 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 128.0 kbit/9.07% (ratio: 16000->176400)
11:33<ml|>amphi: to play in the browser
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11:34<amphi>the mpkayer plugin should work IMHO
11:34<amphi>er, mplayer
11:34<boboysdadda>ok i'll check it out
11:34<amphi>although why you'd want to use your browser as an audio player is beyond me
11:34<ml|>when you click on unknown plugin it sends you to ms site
11:35<ml|>yes, mplayer :)
11:35<ml|>or smplayer for gui :)
11:35<amphi>there are several horrid GUIs if I recall correctly
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11:37<Spt>hi, why does it tells me that i'm not in the sudoers file? i tried everything
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11:37<boboysdadda>is there a way to amp my audio output to my laptop speakers
11:37<jordanm>Spt: because you haven't properly configured sudo?
11:38<francisc>libglade-WARNING **:unknown property `orientation' for class `GtkVBox' <- someone know how to fix this?
11:38<amphi>Spt: did you edit /etc/sudoers? you could just use su to become root, by the way
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11:38<jordanm>francisc: a single line of a warning (which is not fatal) out of context will not get you much help
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11:39<Spt>no i didnt edit anything, installed debian yesterday..
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11:40<ODDity>ml|, it's still the same after esound unfortunately, also installed alsaplayer-oss alsaplayer-esd just in case but yeah it's still the same
11:40<Spt>difference between su and sudo?
11:41<ODDity>sudo typically grant temporary root access where as su (switch user) switches users until the end of that particular terminal session
11:41<r0nin>one has do at the end
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11:43<ml|>ODDity: did you mess around with esound settings?
11:43<ODDity>ml|, not yet no
11:43<ml|>give that a try
11:43<boboysdadda>is there a way to increase the base autio output of my speakers on my laptop. volume level is already maxed
11:43<ODDity>where is...
11:44<ODDity>boboysdadda, try the mixer applet in the panel
11:44<tails>dpkg swfdec
11:44<dpkg>Swfdec ("swiff deck") is a decoder/renderer for <Flash> animations, packaged as swfdec-gnome and swfdec-mozilla. Not actively developed, removed from Debian post-Lenny to resolve bug #571666. Ask me about <gnash>.
11:45<boboysdadda>ODDity, i have that maxed already
11:45<ODDity>boboysdadda, also the PCM volume
11:45<ml|>tails: /msg dpkg msg the bot
11:45<tails>dpkg gnash
11:45<dpkg>Gnash is the GNU <Flash> movie player, developed from GPLFlash and part of the GNU project. The project aims to create a free software player and browser plugin. The browser plugins are packaged for Debian as mozilla-plugin-gnash and konqueror-plugin-gnash. #gnash on
11:45<boboysdadda>where is pcm volume?
11:45<ODDity>if it's not there you'd need to add it via preferences
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11:46<ml|>or just use alsamixer in a term ;)
11:46<ODDity>ml|, where's esound settings?
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11:47<ml|>dunno, I stopped using a de a long time ago; by sounds preferences I would guess
11:49<inkbottle>after upgrade to sid, mplayer -vo xv is not working any more; with nv driver. Have anyone heard of a similar issue?
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11:52<boboysdadda>alsamixer worked thanks
11:53<inkbottle>xvinfo says: no adaptors present
11:54<ml|>inkbottle: mplayer from dmm or debian?
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11:56<amphi>if xvinfo says no adapters, no version of mplayer is going to work with -vo xv
11:56<amphi>inkbottle: is -vo x11 -scale too slow?
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11:56<amphi>inkbottle: er, -vo x11 -zoom I mean - I think you need that for full screen to work properly with x11
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11:57<amphi>it's long since I used -vo x11
11:57<jmm>amphi: -fs -zoom
11:57<inkbottle>amphi, i re phase my question: why is there no adaptors any more?
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11:57<amphi>inkbottle: I know nothing of the nv driver
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11:58<inkbottle>it was working just before the upgrade
11:58<inkbottle>amphi, ok
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11:58<amphi>inkbottle: does /var/log/Xorg.0.log say anything?
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11:58<inkbottle>i check
11:58<inkbottle>FBDEV(0): FBIOPUTCMAP: Invalid argument
11:59<amphi>illuminating ;)
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11:59<inkbottle>it's important because i had no X before i installed xorg-xserver-video-fbdev (after the upgrade)
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12:00<ml|>fwiw, works fine here with mplayer from dmm using nv
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12:00<ml|>,versions mplayer
12:00<judd>mplayer -- etch: 1.0~rc1-12etch5; etch-security: 1.0~rc1-12etch7; lenny: 1.0~rc2-17+lenny3; lenny-security: 1.0~rc2-17+lenny3.2; etch-multimedia: 1:1.0-rc1svn20070225-0.3etch1; lenny-multimedia: 1:1.0.rc2svn20080706-0.1lenny1; sid: 2:1.0~rc3+svn20100502-2; squeeze: 2:1.0~rc3+svn20100502-2; squeeze-multimedia: 2:1.0~rc3+svn20100503-0.0; sid-multimedia: 2:1.0~rc3+svn20100519-0.0
12:00<inkbottle>ml|, i use sid (was working with squeeze) /)
12:01<Spt>hi, i cant install irssi, because the user is not in the sudoers file.. i tried X -configure but i didnt find anything to fix to let me get in debian.. how do i use su and what to do now..
12:01<ml|>yes, I was about to say that I'm on squeeze and checked bts?/
12:02<craigevil>inkbottle: check your mplayre settings, ran into this problem today it said something about no adapters using vdpau, i use thenvidia driver so i changed it to gl and it works, xv doesnt though
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12:02<inkbottle>craigevil, ok
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12:03<craigevil>Spt: su enter rootpassword enter, aptitude install irssi
12:03<inkbottle>but there is a bug somewhere ;)
12:04<Spt>anything else about helping me get in debian?
12:05<inkbottle>craigevil, i can use x11, but gl gives 1 frame/s :)
12:05<inkbottle>ok, i'll see later if sth can be done for present it will be -vo x11 -zoom :)
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12:05<craigevil>inkbottle: why not use the nvidia driver?
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12:06<boboysdadda>i like the nvidia driver
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12:10<ODDity>ml|, ok man.. i've tried more or less everything I think
12:11<ODDity>no dice..
12:11<ODDity>I put it down to.. things could be worse
12:12<ODDity>so whilst i'm not over-enamoured with the situation as it's not ideal, I can deal with it for now
12:12<ml|>sorry I have no idea then; you can remove what you installed and try dmix factiod tho; good luck
12:13<boboysdadda>so i have an mp3 that opened through mplayer and i can't find mplayer anywhere on my screen to control it
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12:14<ml|>did you install the mplayer plugin or selected to open with mplayer?
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12:15<boboysdadda>selected open with mplayer after i clicked download file
12:16<ml|>and it played?
12:16<boboysdadda>yes its playing but i can't find a window or anything to control it
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12:18<ml|>you should download and the play with mplayer and/or install smplayer and use it
12:19<boboysdadda>i clicked download then it gave me the option to either save file or open with mplayer i selected open with mplayer it downloaded and played and its still playing but i can't control it at all
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12:20<ODDity>ml|, the dmix thing seems outdated and I can have multiple streams - suppose I'll put it on the backburner for another day. Thanks for your time
12:20<Spt>hi, i got irssi and i cant join #debian because "im banned"
12:20<boboysdadda>Spt your in #debian
12:21<Spt>from xp..
12:21<Spt>from debian?
12:21*boboysdadda is confused
12:21<themill>Spt: running irssi as root?
12:21<Spt>i was
12:21<themill>well there you go
12:22<Spt>now i'm no winxp
12:22<themill>dpkg: tell Spt about root
12:22<Spt>now i'm on windows xp
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12:22<Spt>ooh.. got it
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12:22<babilen>Spt: In a nutshell: "Don't never ever under no circumstances irc as root" ;)
12:22<boboysdadda>smoke break
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12:26<ml|>boboysdadda: you won't see anything since mplayer runs in a term; so either install smplayer[gui] and/or just download and play the file manually with mplayer
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12:28<Spt>hi, i'm loged from irssi, i'm on #debian now?
12:29<amphi>Spt: you are
12:31<boboysdadda>ok thanks ml|
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12:32<Spt>ok thank you.. when i did su to install irssi it asked something and i answered Y, then it did a long time procedure removing things... now when i tryed to get on debian it went automaticaly to console.. i pressed ctrl+alt+f7 but it didnt went to visual mode... (not that i could before, screen messages about display input errors).. you told me to get to irssi because it could be easier to give me orders.. now what..?
12:32<amphi>boboysdadda: or just play the url in a term, as I pasted above
12:33<boboysdadda>k ty amphi
12:33<amphi>boboysdadda: it's fairly easy, in that one at least, to see what the actually url is
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12:34<old>Spt: It's always good to read questions before answering them... `apt-get install gdm` should do the trick.
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12:34*babilen mumbles "aptitude" :)
12:35<Spt>old, what is gdm?
12:35<amphi>boboysdadda: if you want to d/l it, just replace 'mplayer' with 'wget'
12:35<babilen>Spt: Read the package description "aptitude show gdm"
12:35<babilen>Spt: What are you trying to do anyway?
12:36<amphi>Spt: wasn't your problem X not starting?
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12:36<Spt>yes its X the problem..
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12:37<amphi>Spt: what happens if you do startx from another VT? if you get a black screen, you can switch back with Ctrl-Alt-F1
12:37<Spt>first X wouldnt work, not its not starting
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12:38<Spt>now ctrl+alt+f7 doesnt do anything
12:38<amphi>Spt: if it doesn't work, you can pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
12:38<old>Spt: Did you try to press [ctrl]+[alt]+[F8]?
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12:39<Spt>how to i pastebin the xrog.0.log from here
12:39<old>Spt: On my system GDM sometimes settles there, usually after restarting.
12:39<Spt>ctrl+alt+f8 says: Setting console screen modes and fonts
12:40<amphi>Spt: use a console browser like w3m
12:40<Spt>restarting now
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12:41<nixeagle>Hi, I'm in single user mode at the moment because running anything else seems to prevent all input (keyboard/mouse) after some random time between 15 seconds after getting the shell to 5 minutes. This happens with and without xorg running (eg withou startx).
12:41<babilen>amphi: or pastebinit
12:41<amphi>or that
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12:42<nixeagle>Is there a way to get aptitude to give me a listing of what changes happened (eg what got installed/uninstalled when?)
12:42<mixalis>tell me again about how to paste x.0.log i think..
12:42<OdyX>nixeagle: /var/log/aptitude.*
12:43<babilen>nixeagle: Take a look at /var/log/aptitude and /var/log/dpkg.log
12:43<nixeagle>OdyX: ah of course
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12:43<Spt>tell me again about how to paste xorg.0.log i think..
12:43<nixeagle>my first serious problem with this :>
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12:43<babilen>Spt: "pastebinit -b /var/log/Xorg.0.log"
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12:43<babilen>Spt: you might have to install pastebinit for that to work though
12:44<nixeagle>thanks guys, this is enough to let me solve my own problems :)
12:44<babilen>nixeagle: good luck ;)
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12:45<edbian>How can I edit a .db file?
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12:46<babilen>edbian: That most likely depends on the program that created the .db file
12:46<Spt>babilen: it was unable to read from /var/log/xorg.0.log
12:47<edbian>It's a mySQL base I think
12:47<babilen>,depends banshee
12:47<judd>banshee -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.16.0), libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-0 (>= 0.10.12), libgstreamer0.10-0 (>= 0.10.3), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), mono-runtime (>=, libboo2.0-cil (>=, libcairo2 (>= 1.6.0), libgconf2.0-cil (>= 2.20.0), libglade2.0-cil (>= 2.12.1), libglib2.0-cil (>= 2.12.1), libgnome2.0-cil (>= 2.20.0), libgtk2.0-cil (>= 2.12.1), libmono-addins-gui0.2-cil (2 more messages)
12:48<Spt>babilen: it was unable to read from /var/log/xorg.0.log
12:48<Metrahla>whats gtk?
12:48<babilen>Metrahla: A GUI toolkit
12:48<old>!tell Metrahla about gtk
12:49<Metrahla>k ty
12:49<babilen>Spt: Does that file exist?
12:49<Spt>how should i know
12:49<amphi>Spt: Xorg.0.log (note case)
12:50<babilen>amphi: good catch
12:50<Spt>i cant unstarstand.. not case?
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12:50<amphi>Spt: _capital_ X in Xorg.0.og
12:50<amphi>Spt: filenames are case sensitive
12:51<amphi>you're not in Redmond now ;)
12:51<babilen>Spt: You might want to learn about the wonders of tab-completion - Try "/va<TAB>/lo<TAB>/Xo<TAB>"
12:51<Spt>ok got that... i just type Xorg.0.log?
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12:52<babilen>Xorg.0.log and not xorg.0.log -- X vs x
12:52<old>babilen: /var/lo<tab> does not work, as log and lock can be substituted. ;)
12:52<babilen>old: gah, right :)
12:52<Spt>omg.. i was wrong.. now i get unknown website
12:52<edbian>How can I edit a .db file?
12:52<edbian>It's a SQLite 3.x database
12:53<babilen>edbian: try sqlitebrowser - but you want to ask in #banshee on if that really is a good idea
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12:54<boboysdadda>edbian, not sure but would nano work?
12:54<Spt>its right?
12:54<babilen>Spt: yes
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12:54<Spt>it says unknown website
12:54<babilen>"pastebinit -b /var/log/Xorg.0.log"
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12:54<amphi>Spt: just try 'cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | pastebinit'
12:55<edbian>boboysdadda, Def not
12:55<boboysdadda>egh sorry still a bit of a n00b
12:56<edbian>sqlitebrowser did it! Now I hope I can figure out how to edit it :)
12:56<babilen>Spt: What does "host" give you?
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12:56<Spt>it gives me an adress
12:56<old>edbian: What are you trying to do?
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12:57<babilen>Spt: Good - and you used pastebinit with the exact command i gave you?
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12:57*babilen wonders if pastebinit in lenny does not support the "-b" option
12:57<Spt>unknown website
12:57<edbian>old, See, sometimes if I add songs to banshee and then remove them, change their directory, and re-add them. Banshee loses them permanently because their path changed but none of the id3 tag info did. Get it?
12:57<babilen>Spt: Does "pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log" work?
12:57<amphi>Spt: did that work? my connection is playing silly buggers
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12:58<babilen>amphi: trying to figure that out as well :-\
12:58<gsimmons>babilen: It supports it, just not (WRT v0.10).
12:58<amphi>Spt: does it say what is 'unknown website'?
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12:58<Spt>w8 a sec.. i tried the default website
12:58<babilen>gsimmons: Ah - thanks for the clarification.
12:58<amphi>Spt: and that didn't work?
12:59<Spt>didnt gave me any errors
12:59<amphi>did it give you back a url?
12:59<Spt>but i dont see the name@localhost now..
12:59<babilen>Spt: It should have given you an URL - which you should give us
12:59<themill>babilen: "pastebinit -b"
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13:00<amphi>Spt: o dear - ctrl-c to kill it
13:00<Spt>i dont see any <name>@localhost:~$
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13:01<old>edbian: Isn't it a bug? I don't think it should behave like that.
13:01<edbian>oh def
13:01<edbian>But I don't wanna re-sync my whole library for 8 songs!
13:01<babilen>edbian: Is the program i mentioned working? What does #banshee say?
13:01<Spt>unknown website, please post a bugreport to request this pastebin to be added (website)
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13:02<amphi>Spt: what was the command you ran?
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13:02<Spt>'pastebinit -b /var/log/Xorg.0.log'
13:03<edbian>babilen, #banshee on freenode is empty
13:03<babilen>edbian: yeah - i'm looking for the correct channel right now
13:03<edbian>babilen, What sqlviewer is working fine but I can't get it to solve the problem
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13:03<Spt>i think i'm goddamned cursed not to use debian...
13:04<amphi>Spt: just do 'pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log'
13:04<babilen>edbian: They are (unsurprisingly) on
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13:04<jordanm>Spt: you need to use, not (which was not supported in the lenny version)
13:05<amphi>jordanm: why not use the default? or does that version not have one?
13:05<Spt>GOT IT:
13:05<dpkg>...and the peasants rejoiced.
13:06<jordanm>amphi: the default is broken, see #572728 that I wrote a patch for, but will never be in stable
13:06<amphi>jordanm: ah, thanks
13:06<Spt>now, whats with the Xorg.0.log?
13:06*jordanm is very disappointed with that bug...
13:07<old>Spt: Looks like nothing... Maybe it's the old one?
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13:08<babilen>... or an incomplete one
13:08<babilen>anyway - i need something for dinner. good luck all!
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13:08<Spt>i dont know..
13:08<amphi>Spt: there don't seem to be any errors; try running startx from another terminal, and pasting it again
13:09<old>Spt: Try to `/etc/init.d/gdm restart`, and then paste again.
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13:12<edbian>no answer
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13:14<Spt>ok.. well.. it said: open: permission denied, *Stoping GNOME Display Manager gdm, start-stop-daemon: warning: failed to kill 3188: Operation not permitted, open: permission denied, [ok], open:permission denied, Starting GNOME Display Manager gdm, gdm[4646]: WARNING: GDM file gdm-daemon-config.c: line 2032 ():Cannot seteu id to 0: Operation not permitted.
13:14<Spt>"," seperates lines
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13:15<Spt>now should i pastebinit xorg.0.log again?
13:15<old>Spt: Run it as root. :\
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13:17<Spt>it lets say refreshed my screen but same problem
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13:17<Spt>should i paste u the log?
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13:19<Spt>any ideas guys?
13:20<boboysdadda>ok this is off topic but this is too funny. todays war of the roses. this is a direct download link.
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13:23<themill>bad boboysdadda
13:23<Spt>how do i change channel "windows" on irssi?
13:24<Spt>nvm found it
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13:25<old>Spt: I cannot see anything wrong here...
13:25<Spt>guys im too gratefull of your help.. you are all too kind..
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13:26<Spt>old: so what could be the problem?
13:26<Spt>except xorg.0.log
13:27<old>Spt: I don't know. Out of ideas.
13:28<Spt>how do i change the resolution and refresh rate?
13:29<edbian>In case anyone was riveted by my perils with banshee 1.0 I got it to work. You can rest easy. All I had to do was remove all traces of those tracks from the database!
13:31<Spt>how do i change the resolution and refresh rate from console?
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13:34<edbian>I think?
13:34<Spt>if any1 of you could help me, id be too gratefull... i've been here on irssi about an hour now waiting for an answer..
13:34<boboysdadda>what is the install file for java?
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13:34<Spt>yea, how to use xrandr... it says cant open display
13:35<boboysdadda>for doing things like playing java games on the internet
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13:36<edbian>Maybe it's just for X server configuration
13:36<edbian>Spt, I'm not sure how to do it without that tool or a GUI
13:36<craigevil>boboysdadda: sun-java6-plugin, if you are on 64bit aptitude search icedtea or gcj
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13:43<chichimeka>no sound in lenny in every restart soeme body can help me
13:44<cahoot>chichimeka: got more than one possible sounddevice? cat /proc/asound/cards
13:45<chichimeka>no souncard
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13:46<Spt>how do i remove or delete a file from console?
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13:47<surf>hi guys. I have a problem with icedove 3. When I try to send a mail using a smtp server it says Error: Dovecot ready OK... which seems to be a pop3 message.
13:47<boboysdadda>Spt this might help u
13:48<Spt>i'm on console.. in cant get to debian because of X
13:48<Spt>could u please tell me?
13:49<surf>Spt, man rm
13:49<chichimeka>cahoot: no soundcar, so i run alsaconf,, now i have HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia, thats ok,,,,,,, the problem on restartup,,, i miss this conf
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13:50<Spt>if i install a nvidia package should the X problem be fixxed and get finaly into debian?
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13:52<cahoot>chichimeka: alsa-base and alsa-utils installed?
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13:52<surf>Spt, what's you problem
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13:52<chichimeka>yes they are
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13:53<Spt>surf: i cant get into debian because i get an error from screen to change resolution.. now i'm on console
13:53<chichimeka>cahoot: yes,,,, are installed
13:54<cahoot>chichimeka: try dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base (IIRC)
13:54<surf>Spt, fresh install?
13:54<boboysdadda>ok so i have sun-java6-plugin installed it shows as enabled in iceweasel but i'm still not able to load them game. this is the message i get from the website does anyone have any ideas?
13:54<Spt>what u mean
13:54<chichimeka>cahoot: ok
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13:55<Spt>surf, what u mean by fresh install
13:55<surf>Spt, did u install recently or not?
13:55<Spt>install what..
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13:57<Spt>babilen: if i install any nvidia drivers or similar, should be the problem fixed?
13:57<chichimeka>cahot: i did'it,,, i have sound now,,,, i gone to restart my computer so i can see if its fixed,, i'll be back to tell you about it tanks a lot :)
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13:57<babilen>Spt: I have no idea what you and #d where up to in the last hour - You could try using "nv"
13:58<Spt>install nv?
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14:01<Spt>babilen: how could i install any nvidia driver package..
14:01<babilen>Spt: You basically just change your "Driver" in the "Device" section to "nv" (from probably vesa) in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf. If you don't have that file:
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14:01<babilen>!tell Spt about xorg xonfig lenny
14:01<babilen>Spt: Given that the free drivers (vesa/nv) don't support 3D acceleration you might want to install the NVIDIA driver
14:02<Spt>chomwitt_: can you hear me?
14:02<chichimeka>cahoot: :-D it is fixed,,,, tankyou very much ,,, you rule
14:02<babilen>!tell Spt about nvidia
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14:03<babilen>Spt: Also read
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14:04<Spt>babilen: i dont understand a bit of what you are saying.. if you could just tell me commands to type..
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14:05<babilen>Spt: I am not sure if the pre-built or m-a method is advisable for lenny, but both should work. You can ask dpkg about that yourself. I'm not much of a NVIDIA guy, so others might be rather be able to help
14:05<babilen>Spt: But I still wonder what you have been up to in the last hour :-\
14:05<Spt>babilen: nothing...
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14:06<Spt>babilen: installed gdm only..
14:07<babilen>Spt: Why don't you start by reading the factoids dpkg told you about and the wiki page. A lot will be clearer afterwards. If your "/msg dpkg nvidia pre-built" or "/msg dpkg nvidia m-a" you'll be given a couple of commands
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14:08<babilen>anybody knows what is "better" (not sure about the metric though) for nvidia on lenny? m-a or pre-built? I suspect the latter ...
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14:13<retrospectacus>I've found that m-a is "better" in that it will more likely work
14:14<retrospectacus>pre-built will only work if you have the exact kernel it was "pre-built" for
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14:16<valdyn>babilen_away: m-a and prebuilt can be identical
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14:16<dpkg>Do not use public away/back messages in #debian. If we want to know where you are, we'll /whois you. In BitchX, /set auto_away off; in XChat, Preferences > Chatting > General > uncheck Announce Away Messages; ask in #yourircclient if you have questions. If you continue to use public aways/backs you will be devoiced.
14:17<oskie>what's the PROPER way to install x in debian?
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14:17<valdyn>oskie: aptitude install xorg
14:17<oskie>valdyn: nice, thanks
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14:18<valdyn>judd: versions x-window-system
14:18<judd>x-window-system -- etch: 1:7.1.0-19
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14:25<babilen_away>valdyn: Yes, the end result could/would be the same. And I would therefore recommend pre-built. (btw: changing one's nick hardly is a public away message)
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15:09<paulg>Hi, I have problems with aptitude. When I hit "aptitude install", he wants to install a lot of packages that I don't want like "nvidia-glx". I there someone that could help me to understand why?
15:11<dondelelcaro>paulg: aptitude why nvidia-glx
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15:11<paulg>aptitude why nvidia-glx returns me that: . but I find that reason stupid
15:11<paulg>dondelecaro: thx, I was posting it
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15:12<paulg>I have already libgl1-mesa-dev that provides libgl-dev
15:12<dondelelcaro>paulg: hrm; it doesn't look like it plans to install it
15:13<dondelelcaro>paulg: if you don't actually want aptitude to do anything, run aptitude keep-all;
15:13<dondelelcaro>paulg: then run whatever command you had planned to run
15:14<paulg>ok, so I post what returns "aptitude install" :
15:15<dondelelcaro>paulg: uh... what version of Debian is this?
15:15<paulg>dondelelcaro: thx for this command, but I mainly want to understand why I have this problem
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15:15<paulg>dondelelcaro: sid
15:16<dondelelcaro>paulg: you haven't run aptitude update; recently, have you?
15:16<dondelelcaro>2.6.30 hasn't been distributed in sid for months
15:17<dondelelcaro>(and as near as I can tell, nvidia-glx isn't planning on being installed according to that output)
15:17<paulg>dondelelcaro: I run aptitude update every day :) , but yes this is very weird!
15:18<dondelelcaro>paulg: if linux-image-2.6.30-2-amd64 is available, then the mirror you're using is hideously out of date
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15:18<dondelelcaro>as we're at 2.6.32-5-amd64 in unstable right now
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15:19<paulg>but i'm on 2.6.32!! uname -a: Linux revolution 2.6.32-4-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Apr 5 21:14:10 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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15:19<dondelelcaro>paulg: what is the output of apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.30-2-amd64; ?
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15:19<giorgio>hi all
15:19<dondelelcaro>paulg: and in any event, the set of packages that I'm seeing have been manually selected, save for those with the {b} flag in them
15:20<paulg>dondelelcaro :
15:21<dondelelcaro>paulg: ah, ok; there's no point to having a testing security updates source if you're running unstable
15:21<mercutio22>when I select shutdown from the gnome power button, gnome quits and the logon screen briefly reappears before it finaly shuts down. Any clues on whats happening?
15:21<dondelelcaro>mercutio22: yes, it's logging you out while the shutdown proceeds in the background
15:21<dondelelcaro>nothing particularly exciting
15:21<paulg>dondelelcaro: yes that's true, I forgot to remove it
15:22<dondelelcaro>paulg: I also don't see nvidia-glx being installed in the list of things you gave
15:22<mercutio22>dondelelcaro: how can I make it log out forever and not display the login screen while the system is shutting down?
15:22<paulg>dondelelcaro: You said I manualy selected some packages, how can I deselect them?
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15:23<paulg>dondelelcaro: yes, it doesn't install it, but I don't understand why it shows it in the list
15:23<dondelelcaro>paulg: aptitude remove foopkg; or you can use the curses interface
15:23<dondelelcaro>paulg: it's not in the list, actually...
15:23<dondelelcaro>(there are craploads of other nvidia things there, but not nvidia-glx)
15:24<dondelelcaro>(or at least, it wasn't in this paste:
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15:24<paulg>dondelelcaro: you're right! but the not the point, i just don't want thoses nvidia packages
15:24<tails>i hope this daily netinst.iso lets me install squeeze. :)
15:25<dondelelcaro>paulg: so aptitude --schedule-only remove nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-kernel-source nvidia-settings nvidia-xconfig nvidia-cg-toolkit; or similar
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15:25<paulg>dondelelcaro: thx i'm going to RTFM this command
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15:28<diggy>hi all
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15:30<paulg>dondelelcaro: that's an interressant option, but don't you have an idea why aptitude wants to install them? I try to understand how aptitude resolve dependencies
15:31<paulg>If I didn't care about that, I shoud simply remove the non-free repository...
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15:34<Nemoder_>Anyone know if there is a backport of jabberd14 for lenny? Most of my transports no longer work with lenny's jabber.
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15:35<babilen>,versions jabberd14
15:36<judd>jabberd14 -- sid:; squeeze:
15:36<jordanm>,depends jabberd14 --release sid
15:36<judd>jabberd14 -- depends: adduser, lsb-base (>= 3.0-6), openssl, libjabberd2 (=, libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libidn11 (>= 0.5.18), libmysqlclient16 (>= 5.1.21-1), libpopt0 (>= 1.14), libpq5 (>= 8.3~beta1), libpth20 (>= 2.0.7), libstdc++6 (>= 4.2.1).
15:36<babilen>Nemoder_: You could try to backport it yourself - /msg dpkg jabberd14 ; Or use a different jabberd like ejabberd, which I made good experiences with in the past
15:37<Nemoder_>hm ok
15:37<dondelelcaro>paulg: most of them appear to have been selected manually; if you want to know, aptitude why foopkg; will tell you
15:37<babilen>Nemoder_: Aeh - that is not "/msg dpkg jabberd14" but "/msg dpkg ssb" for the backport instructions :-)
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15:41<centyx>hello. in squeeze, once i've run sudo and authenticated once, i am able to sudo without a password in a completely differently shell/login session(ssh)... how might i change this behavior so that sudo asks for my password for each session? I've run sudo -L but am missing the option somehow.
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15:43<paulg>dondelelcaro: ok, so my first post: doesn't really explain why aptitude wants nvidia to be installed.
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15:44<dondelelcaro>paulg: uh... it's not trying to install nvidia-glx...
15:44<dondelelcaro>centyx: that's not how sudo works; it doesn't track from where you've used sudo
15:44<paulg>dondelelcaro: oh yes sorry, it was just a stupid command then
15:44<dondelelcaro>centyx: well, actually, you can use tty_tickets, which will do that
15:45<dondelelcaro>centyx: man sudoers; for details
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15:50<tails>bbl going to try to install squeeze
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15:50<centyx>dondelelcaro: until my recent switch to squeeze, sudo has always worked that way for me
15:50<centyx>dondelelcaro: thanks
15:51<dondelelcaro>centyx: tty_tickets has been off by default in Debian for as long as I can remember; so you (or someone else) must have configured it differently
15:52<centyx>dondelelcaro: i'd been away from debian since woody
15:52<centyx>dondelelcaro: so that would explain it
15:52<dondelelcaro>it worked that way even in woody...
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15:54<centyx>dondelelcaro: i wasn't in the habit of using sudo so liberally then, so perhaps I just didn't notice.
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15:55<centyx>dondelelcaro: dondelelcaro: back then I only used sudo for limited commands, after switching to ubuntu, I got in the bad habit of giving myself full sudo access
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16:02<tails>my luck the netinst is still broken
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16:05<babilen>tails: install lenny and upgrade to squeeze
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16:08<tails>oh yeah forgot I could do that
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16:10<babilen>!tell tails about testing
16:10<tidux>has Chromium with WebM hit experimental yet?
16:11<babilen>tails: Read that and the referenced factoids.
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16:16<OdyX>tidux: webm/libvpx isn't out of NEW yet..
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16:20<tidux>I didn't know there was a New. I thought the first stop after upstream source code was Experimental.
16:21<gravity>Only sometimes
16:21<gravity>Most of the time, things don't go to experimental at all
16:21<babilen>!tell tidux about experimental
16:22<babilen>tidux: Think of it as a "Playground for DDs"
16:22<dpkg>The D-Link DWA-130 "Wireless N USB Adapter" is a 802.11n device. No driver is available for the original (Marvell W8360USB, USB-ID 07d1:3b11), ask me about <ndiswrapper>. For revision B (USB-ID 07d1:3c13), ask about <rt2800usb>. For revision C1 (USB-ID 2001:3301), ask about <rtl8192su>. Revision D (USB-ID 07d1:3a0f) is not claimed by <ar9170usb>. For revisions C2 (USB-ID 07d1:3302) and E (USB-ID 07d1:3300), ask about <rtl8192su>.
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16:22<babilen>sookster54: /msg dpkg dwa130 - don't flood the channel
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16:22<tidux>I assume you mean Debian Developers and not pr0n stars
16:23<babilen>tidux: correct
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16:24<bunker85>Hello, I am new to Linux. I am running Ultimate Linux 2.5 64bit. Can someone help me with updating adobe flash plugin please
16:25<babilen>bunker85: You might want to ask in the Ultimate Linux channel (no idea where you can find that)
16:25<bunker85>ok will try somewhere else
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16:47<edbian>How can I write a script that runs commands as root but can be run by a normal user by prompting them for their sudo password?
16:47<edbian>su -c "command" ?
16:48<old>edbian: `sudo "$command"`
16:48<edbian>in the script?
16:49<edbian>old, So like: "sudo $aptitude -y update" ??
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16:49<old>edbian: Everything you can type into your shell prompt should work in scripts also.
16:50<old>edbian: Without a dollar sign.
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16:50<edbian>will it prompt for password correctly?
16:50<edbian>"sudo aptitude -y update" ?
16:50<old>edbian: It depends how sudoers are configured, I guess.
16:50<edbian>If I used sudo does it last for like 5 seconds or something? I do I de-elevate my privileges instantly so that I can test this?
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16:52<old>edbian: `sudo apt-get update` is probably quicker. Also I don't see the need for -y switch.
16:53<edbian>old, To answer yes for me. This script updates the cache and then I run "safe-upgrade"
16:54<old>edbian: APT won't ask while updating. :P
16:54<edbian>old, good point
16:54<edbian>Thanks for the help guys!
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16:59<edbian>How do you change the sudo timeout??
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17:01<edbian>nevermind I got it
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17:38<AFI>debian i thought said lesbian
17:39<AFI>someone else named after a band?
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17:46<ODDity>Having gone through the nvidia drivers configuration as per dpkg's instructions, I see now the system is updating to a new kernel.. is that all going to play nicely with the drivers or am I going to have to do something more
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17:47<ml|>using testing?
17:47<ODDity>mm squeeze ya
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17:47<ml|>following nvidia squeeze?
17:47<ODDity>it just did a monster update
17:48<ml|>that's fine if you follow all the steps correctly
17:48<ODDity>new kernel I think it installed 2.6.32-5-amd64
17:48<ODDity>haven't rebooted yet
17:48<ODDity>I did comment out the sid lines I added in sources.list
17:49<ml|>ODDity: hmm, I think you missed a step
17:49<ODDity>uh oh
17:49<amphi>huh, I only have .32-3 here
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17:49<ml|>dpkg: tum
17:49<dpkg>echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to sid. then apt-get update. use apt-get -t sid install foo; to install foo from sid rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release. set Preferences->Distribution
17:49<ODDity>yeah tha'ts what I'm on now
17:49<AFI>wow people talking finally
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17:49<ml|>ODDity: did that above?
17:49<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.5); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-12); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2)
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17:50<amphi>ODDity: you have a sid kernel? ;)
17:50<ODDity>oh s**t
17:50<ml|>so you did not follow the tum factiod?
17:50<amphi>just remove it and install 32-3 if you don't already have it
17:50<ODDity>i've got 32-3
17:50<ODDity>i followed the factoid
17:50<ODDity>i'm sure i did
17:51<ml|>well, he might in sid now if he did not follow !tum
17:51<ODDity>i just used synaptic
17:51<amphi>!lart ODDity
17:51*dpkg strangles ODDity with a doohicky mouse cord
17:51<ODDity>and it's set to always prefer highest version
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17:52<ODDity>I commented out the sid lines in sources.list
17:52<ml|>dpkg: version
17:52<dpkg>Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions.
17:52<chealer>ml|: 2.6.32-5 is in testing now
17:52<ODDity>ow.. no i didn't
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17:53<amphi>chealer: not here, it isn't
17:53<chealer>ml|: sorry, it isn't
17:53<ODDity>qinitrd.img-2.6.32-5-amd64 vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-amd64
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17:54<ODDity>lets see what happens on a reboot then :\
17:54<amphi>ODDity: what about libc?
17:54<ODDity>uh what?
17:54<ml|>ODDity: well look at what dpkg said above
17:54<dpkg>See for help with drivers for NVIDIA graphics cards
17:54<amphi>ODDity: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1
17:55<chealer>ODDity: see the section about your concern in the guide above
17:55<amphi>,versions libc6
17:55<judd>libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1; etch-security: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1; lenny: 2.7-18lenny1; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny2; squeeze: 2.10.2-6; sid: 2.10.2-8; experimental: 2.11-0exp4
17:55<amphi>… even
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17:55<ODDity>yes.. but what does it *mean*
17:56<ODDity>oh joy
17:56<ml|>ODDity: it seems you did not follow !tum and are not using sid not testing
17:56<amphi>it means 'sid'
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17:56<ODDity>i prefered squeeze but what's in a name anyway
17:56<craigevil>welcome to sid, might as well do full-upgrade :)
17:56<dpkg>sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>.
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17:57<ODDity>yes yes
17:57<ODDity>oky hang one
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17:58<mysticsilent>hi guys, whats the best way to backup my debian installation? like i did before with norton ghost for windows.
17:58<ODDity>this is my source.list can I just change everything to sid then?
17:58<ODDity>or.. what would be the best thing to do
17:59<craigevil>ODDity: you would only need the last two lines for sid
17:59<amphi>'run in circles, scream & shout' is the canonical action
17:59<ml|>you removed the sid lines?
17:59<ODDity>I just wonder what the best course of action would be now
17:59<dli_>I have a partition with ubuntu on currently, how do I safely install debian on it, without hurting user data, /home, etc.
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18:00<ODDity>shall I reboot and see how the new kernel runs and then decide
18:00<craigevil>ODDity: you can always make sure you remove the sid lines, then wait a few days to upgrade
18:00<ml|>ODDity: you are now using _sid_ and not testing
18:01<ODDity>oky.. i still have squeeze lines in me sources.list though, i was wondering if I should just go the whole hog and see what sid is like
18:01<amphi>AFI: please don't spew tv spam in here
18:01<ml|>ODDity: that is up tp you
18:01<ODDity>given I do have audio issues which seem unsolvable it might be worth a go
18:02<mysticsilent>is there any way to backup my debian installation to an image?
18:02<craigevil>ODDity: what desktop/wm are you using? not sure about gnome , but kde4, xfce, lxde are working just fine in sid atm
18:02<chealer>ODDity: so did you read the guide?
18:02<ODDity>i'm using gnome
18:02<ODDity>I read the guide yeah.. i missed the bit about using synaptic
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18:02<amphi>for smallish values of 'read' ;)
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18:03<ODDity>yeah yeah
18:03<craigevil>well he did "read' everything but the last couple of words
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18:03<ml|>ODDity: you can try the following if you want to stay with testing....
18:03<ml|>dpkg: unstable->testing
18:03<dpkg>Since packages generally migrate from unstable to testing fairly regularly, downgrading from unstable to testing is sometimes possible (see <partial downgrade>). Alternatively change "unstable" to "testing" in your sources.list and wait for packages migrate; installing new packages during this time might be problematic, however. Ask me about <reinstall>.
18:03<ODDity>so.. change everything in my sources.list to sid and upgrade && full-upgrade
18:03<AFI>it's my dick in the boooooox.
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18:04<AFI>debian i thought said lesbian
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18:05<ODDity>i dont want sid-proposed-updates though do I?
18:06<amphi>ODDity: I would say not
18:06<craigevil>ODDity: all you needs are the last two lines in your sources.list if you want sid
18:07<ODDity>main contrib non-free and change the multimedia one to sid
18:07<craigevil>ODDity: yep
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18:08<chealer>ODDity: there is no such thing as sid-proposed-updates
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18:08<mjt>and you really want deb, not deb-src
18:08<ODDity>hang on tho.. i need deb sid main contrib non-free
18:08<mjt>you may want deb-src _too_
18:09<ODDity>right yeah i thought so
18:09<ODDity>ok cool
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18:10<ml|>for the deb-src line you only need 'main'
18:10*BoBoYsDaDDa is thinking of switching to this distro
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18:11<ODDity>now full-upgrade
18:11<ml|>ODDity: and do as craigevil suggested; good luck
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18:12<ODDity>is it aptitude full-upgrade
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18:13<craigevil>ODDity: aptitude update aptitude full-upgrade
18:13<ODDity>uh.. i dont think I wanna do that
18:13<ODDity>it want to remove virtually everything
18:13<BoBoYsDaDDa>ah no one likes my joke
18:13<craigevil>ODDity: just to be on the safe side probably wouldnt hurt to do aptitude update, aptitude safe-upgrade first
18:14<themill>BoBoYsDaDDa: perhaps you really wanted #debian-offtopic
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18:15<tails>yay got lenny installed. now to install testing updates. :)
18:15<craigevil>ODDity: what does apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade say compared to aptitude full-upgrade
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18:15<tails>!tell tails about testing
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18:16<ml|>tails: /msg dpkg msg the bot
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18:17<ODDity>craigevil, it looks a lot less destructive than aptitude
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18:18<ODDity>though.. i should probably reboot to the new kernel it installed first eh
18:18<ODDity>it still says it wants to restart
18:18<ml|>yes, you should
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18:18<amphi>you moved your mouse, eh?
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18:20<ml|>chealer: have you tried nouveau?
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18:23<chealer>ml|: no
18:23<chealer>my PC now has an ATI card, doesn't push me to try
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18:25<ODDity>ok X would't start because it couldn't find the correct nvidia kernel modules so I backed up and deleted XF86Config to get x working again
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18:25<chealer>BTW themill, fixed nvidia-graphics-drivers migrated to testing
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18:26<ODDity>if I do aptitude full-upgrade it wants to remove about 550mb of stuff including gnome-desktopevironment
18:26<ODDity>or something
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18:27<themill>chealer: yay!
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18:28<chealer>themill: yes, and DKMS is a deception; it's limited due to dpkg limitations. the headers need to be installed manually for modules to be compiled for a new Linux image
18:28<ODDity>so I need the nvidia kernel module for 2.6.32-5 ye?
18:29<ml|>chealer: ok, thanks; I'm going to try it; wish me luck ;)
18:29<chealer>ODDity: I you want to use the nvidia driver, you do.
18:29<themill>chealer: if you have the headers meta-package installed then that will happen automagically, won't it?
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18:29<ODDity>yeah chealer how do I get that?
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18:30<chealer>ODDity: see
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18:32<chealer>themill: right... assuming you have a single Linux version available which gets updated automatically by updated.
18:32<chealer>s/by updated/by updates/
18:32<chealer>I mean, daily updates
18:33<chealer>it's better than plain m-a - hopefully
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18:33<themill>time will tell, I guess
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18:33<chealer>ml|: I don't know if luck will be enough, but OK :-)
18:34<chealer>I have several X crashes each week with testing's fglrx
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18:35<ml|>heh, thanks
18:35<chealer>but yesterday I realized the screen resolution automatically changes when I unplug the screen with KDE 4.4, changing to the laptop resolution, that's cool
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18:36<chealer>now if only the resolution was right when starting X :-)
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18:38<chealer>oh, and there's this 2.6.34 feature to switch between the integrated Intel card and the ATI card at runtime that looks cool, I hope I can use it
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18:42<ODDity>oky thanks for the help guys, got the kernel module sorted and that
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18:45<ODDity>now if any one has any patience left with me (!) what to do about aptitude full-upgrade or just ignore it? here is its proposal:
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18:46<craigevil>ODDity: and what does aptitude safe-upgrade say
18:47<ODDity>craigevil, it appears to be exactly the same
18:47<ODDity>maybe I have duplicate stuffs?
18:47<craigevil>ODDity: check your sources.list. somethings not right somewhere
18:48<themill>ODDity: aptitude's --show-why will be helpful about now.
18:49<ODDity>i've only now got 3 lines in sources.list for sid
18:49<ODDity>before it did have a mix of squeeze and sid
18:49<themill>but I suspect that it's because you've removed the gnome metapackage for some reason
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18:50<craigevil>ah that could be it since its not showing gnome or gnome-desktop-environment
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18:51<ODDity>umm ok.. aptitude install gnome-desktop-environment still offers the same "solution"
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18:52<ODDity>i've fubar'd it haven't i
18:52<craigevil>ODDity: change sources.list back to testing, comment out sid, then reinstall gnome, then switch back to sid
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18:55<jordanm>ODDity: did you add sid for nvidia drivers?
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18:56<ODDity>i repeated step 2 and got them working
18:56<ODDity>m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source
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18:58<ODDity>k i'm getting all kinds of dependancy errors and wot not
18:58<ODDity>when trying to install gnome-desktop-environment
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19:00<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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19:02<tails>lol thanks for not letting root in session. Makes me feel safer using Linux
19:04<ODDity>jordanm, please say if you need more specific commands. Thanks
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19:06<craigevil>ODDity: thats after commenting sid repos and doing aptitude update?
19:06<ODDity>yes sources.list now has all testing
19:07<jordanm>,versions gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad
19:07<judd>gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad -- etch: 0.10.3-3.1+etch1; etch-security: 0.10.3-3.1+etch3; lenny: 0.10.7-2+lenny2; lenny-security: 0.10.7-2+lenny2; lenny-backports: 0.10.17-1~bpo50+1; sid: 0.10.18-2+b1; squeeze: 0.10.18-2+b1; experimental:
19:07<jordanm>,depends gstreamer0.10-plugins-good --release squeeze
19:07<judd>gstreamer0.10-plugins-good -- depends: gconf2 (>= 2.28.1-2), libaa1 (>= 1.4p5), libavc1394-0 (>= 0.5.3), libbz2-1.0, libc6 (>= 2.7), libcaca0 (>= 0.99.beta17-1), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libdv4, libflac8 (>= 1.2.1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libgconf2-4 (>= 2.27.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.24.0), libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-0 (>= 0.10.29), libgstreamer0.10-0 (>= 0.10.29), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0), libgudev-1.0-0 (>= 146), (2 more messages)
19:09<craigevil>ODDity: well you could always go for it let it removing it, then do aptitude install gnome,,save a list of what is getting removed so you can make sure you get all reinstalled
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19:09<ODDity>yeah I guess
19:09<ODDity>then I might as well change things back to sid and go for it, seeing as i'm suing the new sid kernel
19:10<jordanm>ODDity: pastebin: aptitude install -f
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19:11<craigevil>ODDity: i only have a couple of gnome packages and gdm install, doing apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment shows 0 upgraded, 207 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded
19:12<ODDity>oh sorry
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19:12<ODDity>that was for jordanm
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19:14<vitamin-carrot>so i take it that dockbarx doesnt work with AWN 4
19:14<tails>installed lenny 5.0.4. now downloading sqeeze updates. i am excited because I haven't used Debian since ecth was the testing branch.
19:15<jordanm>!tell tails about moving target
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19:16<jordanm>ODDity: you want to keep all those packages?
19:17<ODDity>jordanm, I'm not sure.. I like gnome though
19:17<ODDity>things like mesa-utils
19:17<jordanm>ODDity: aptitude keep-all; pastebin: aptitude install -f
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19:20<jordanm>ODDity: try to install gnome
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19:20<ODDity>im still on "testing" in sources.list yeah, though i'm running sids kernel
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19:25<madled>do you speak russian?
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19:25<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ or use English here.
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19:27<jordanm>ODDity: empathy-common is from sid
19:27<madled>I have 2.6.26-1-686 Debian x32 & i have 4 gb ram, os view only 3 gb, how i can view all 4gb?
19:28<jordanm>ODDity: remove it and try again
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19:29<jordanm>madled: aptitude install linux-image-686-bigmem; reboot
19:30<madled>jordanm: thats all? ))
19:30<jordanm>madled: yes, assuming your bios supports pae, which most due
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19:31<jordanm>well, most newer...
19:31<tails>brb going to reboot into testing
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19:32<ODDity>jordanm, right, what I did was accept a different solution from aptitude which was to downloadgrade the gstreamer-plugins-bad
19:33<jordanm>madled: talk in the main channel. that doesn't mean it supports pae, but just try it
19:34<ODDity>so now I believe I have install gnome and gnome-desktop-environment
19:34<jordanm>ODDity: aptitude search ~b
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19:34<ODDity>shows nothing
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19:35<jordanm>that is good
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19:35<ODDity>:) we did do the keep-all thing though
19:36<ODDity>well you know better than me so
19:36<ODDity>so.. at this point..
19:36<ODDity>i could stop messing with it
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19:36<ODDity>or see what changing to sid and full-upgrade would do yeag?
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19:37<madled>jordanm: ok. i'll try. Does this module support Core 2 Duo Quad and ddr3?
19:38<jordanm>madled: its not a module, its a different kernel. just install and try it..
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19:38<jordanm>ODDity: stop messing with it
19:38<madled>ok. thanks a lot
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19:39<ODDity>jordanm, i am running the sid kernel though
19:40<jordanm>ODDity: if you want to upgrade to sid, go for it
19:40<dpkg>sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>.
19:41<ODDity>oky jordanm understood
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19:41<ODDity>thanks very much for your time man, I really appreciate it
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19:59<tails>man i love the DPTS
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20:05<dbbolton>could i run in to problems by putting /home on a logical partition?
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20:06<dvs>dbbolton: No
20:07<dvs>I don't have any trouble.
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20:09<dbbolton>i have a 3 GB swap part preceded by a 100 GB ext4 part that i must keep. i decided to make first a primary part for /, followed by 4 logical parts (usr, var, tmp, and home). so if i make /home a primary part, the 3 gb part at the end of the drive becomes unusable
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20:10<SoloFlyer>dbbolton: unusable how?
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20:10<dbbolton>SoloFlyer: that's just what partman says.
20:11<hamo>hello, where can i find reliable and good unstable or experimental repositories?
20:11<dbbolton>the 100 GB part that i'm keeping is already primary #3
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20:15<Xenguy>gsimmons: heh, this is like a long-distance relationship or something ;-) Sorry about my lag...
20:15<hamo>hello, where can i find reliable and good unstable or experimental repositories?
20:15<gsimmons>themill: dpkg now knows about nvidia and dkms.
20:15<gsimmons>Xenguy: np
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20:15<Xenguy>gsimmons: ah, there you are - are you like the guy who never sleeps, or what? ;-)
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20:17<themill>gsimmons: yay! thanks ;) [jordanm ^^]
20:18<jordanm>gsimmons: it doesn't seem to include install the nvidia-kernel-dkms package? was that supossed to be included on the install line?
20:18<Xenguy>gsimmons: To answer your questions, the current driver is 'hostap' and it is supposedly "superior" to the older driver, which is 'orinoco'. The problem is that hostap doesn't seem to work :-) Furthermore, the only 2 instances of wireless working with linux on this laptop have been 2 live CDs (1 Ubu and 1 Debian), and they both defaulted to the 'orinoco' driver...
20:18<gsimmons>jordanm: It's automatically installed, at least IME.
20:18<gsimmons>Xenguy: It's on the todo. As before, which driver are you using? Is WPA a requirement?
20:19<Xenguy>gsimmons: So I want to try configuring the orinoco driver (just like the live CDs), and no, WPA is not a requirement, as I just need something that will work for public wifi hotspots
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20:20<Xenguy>gsimmons: (apparently only the hostap driver will do WPA)
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20:21<Xenguy>gsimmons: so I've uninstalled all packages 'hostap', but the driver nevertheless keeps loading. I'm thinking maybe I can blacklist that driver or otherwise manually configure the older orinoco driver
20:23<Xenguy>gsimmons: there's one more wrinkle to all this too: my regular laptop sees 2 interfaces for my wireless card: 1 'wifi0' and 1 'wlan0' (this is the instance where wireless doesn't work); the live CDs on the other hand assign 'eth1' to the wireless card, and use the orinoco driver. I'd like to duplicate the live CD behaviour somehow on my laptop
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20:25<gsimmons>Xenguy: Sound like you would want to blacklist hostap_pci (/msg dpkg blacklist), and ensure the hostap-utils package is purged (which blacklists the orinoco drivers), then update initramfs (/msg dpkg blacklist-initramfs).
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20:26<gsimmons>Xenguy: You're right about hostap being the superior driver for Prism 2/2.5/3 chipsets. Support for these within the orinoco driver was recently turned off by default. You might be better served figuring out why hostap isn't working for you, at some stage.
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20:26<Xenguy>gsimmons: hrm, everything you say sounds familiar until you get to 'initramfs'. I will investigate further, but in simple terms why do you say I need to mess with initramfs?
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20:27<gsimmons>Xenguy: See the blacklist-initramfs factoid the reason.
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20:28<Xenguy>gsimmons: re: hostap: agreed, I need to investigate that as a long-term/superior solution, but for the short-term I'm aiming for the driver that has proven to work first
20:28<Xenguy>gsimmons: OK, thanks kindly for your interest and advice :-)
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20:29<Xenguy>"For years of selfless and occasionally crabby service to the denizens of #debian, we doth reward thee abrotman with....."
20:29<Xenguy>!beer abrotman
20:29*dpkg deftly decants a fine Spaten Optimator for abrotman
20:30<abrotman>yay spaten!
20:30*abrotman hasn't had one of those in awhile
20:30*Xenguy feels suddenly thirsty...
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20:55<troulouliou>hi does anybody have the set files to create the aptana deb file ?
20:56<jordanm>troulouliou: is that something in debian repos?
20:56<jordanm>,versions aptana
20:56<judd>Sorry, no package named 'aptana' was found.
20:57<troulouliou>no it is a web IDE pretty good , but not in the deboans repos unfortunately , i have found a doc to create a deb file from the file
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20:57<troulouliou>but the debian needed files available in the end of the page are not available anymore
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21:00<chealer>troulouliou: this documentation looks very outdated
21:02<troulouliou>chealer: indeed , unfortunately .... personnaly think this Ide is the best alternatives to commercial Web Ide like Dreamweaver ..
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21:05<chealer>troulouliou: well, you don't need a .deb to use Aptana
21:05<dpkg>Emacs is the extensible macro editor that is already quite extensively extended. A popular editor choice with major and minor modes for almost every conceivable language and task. High priests of emacs have even been known to use emacs as their shell, and sometimes have whole systems with init=/usr/bin/emacs. [Escape Meta Alt Control Shift] #emacs on
21:05<chealer>creating a .deb is rather pointless, unless you're planning to install it on several machines
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21:07<troulouliou>yes you are true , btw Emacs is great for scripting language like python , ruby , bash , but for Html .... except for masters but i m not one :)
21:07<troulouliou>thhanks for answers
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21:23<madled>try Komodo-Edit
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21:51<user_>guys how do i install firefox?
21:51<abrotman>aptitude install iceweasel
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