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00:05<Silicium01>Can someone help me do a recursive search and replace of a text in a directory?
00:05<Silicium01>I want to replace apple with pear in all files in /home/fruit
00:05<Silicium01>and any sub folders
00:06<locklace>man find
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00:34<Kemo_>hey guys, could someone help me?
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00:34<sun>hi i was wondering if there's a way to stream a movie legally
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00:36<sun>kemo_ whats the problem
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00:37<Kemo_>hmm im having a problem logging into root via terminal
00:37<sun>kemo_ if you havent installed sudo then type su, then your password.
00:37<Kemo_>i did
00:37<Kemo_>but after that what should i do?
00:37<Kemo_>to install sudo i mean
00:38<sun>to install sudo type aptitude install sudo
00:38<Kemo_>done, now i should logout from su, and login into sudo su?
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00:39<sun>yes now 'exit' from the su session, then you try sudo whoami
00:39<Kemo_>hmm, when i type my password it gives me this: nirvana is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
00:40<Kemo_>tried googling didnt help at all
00:40<sun>thats a minor thing. type su, then your password, then 'adduser nirvana sudoers', then 'exit', then 'sudo whoami'
00:41<Kemo_>adduser: The group `sudoers' does not exist.
00:41<sun>sorry i meant 'adduser nirvana sudo'
00:42<Kemo_>worked now
00:42<Kemo_>thanks alot
00:42<sun>no prob
00:43<Kemo_>another prob =S
00:43<Kemo_>im trying to install xchat
00:43<Kemo_>i updated and everything but it gives: Couldn't find package xchat
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00:45<sun>might be in contrib or nonfree, are these in your sources.list?
00:46<sun>no i think its in main actually.. what is in your sources.list?
00:46<Kemo_># # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Squeeze_ - Official Snapshot amd64 kde-CD Binary-1 20100531-04:18]/ squeeze main deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Squeeze_ - Official Snapshot amd64 kde-CD Binary-1 20100531-04:18]/ squeeze main deb squeeze/updates main deb-src squeeze/updates main
00:46<Kemo_>i dont even think it updated
00:47<Kemo_>when i typed "apt-get update" it gave about 10 lines or something then "apt-get upgrade" it said 0 newly upgraded etc
00:47<sun>yes you need to fix up your sources.list. sudo aptitude install netselect-apt
00:48<sun>then run netselect-apt -n testing
00:48<Kemo_>gave this: Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "netselect-apt"
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00:49<sun>ok sudo pico /etc/apt/sources.list
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00:49<Kemo_>ok, it opened something like a writeable text
00:51<sun>add the line: deb testing main contrib non-free
00:51<sun>then <ctrl>-o <ctrl>-x
00:51<sun>then sudo aptitude update
00:51<sun>then sudo aptitude install netselect-apt
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00:54<Kemo_>same error still
00:54<Kemo_>Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "netselect-apt"
00:55<sun>when you did aptitude update did it connect to
00:55<Kemo_>ops wait
00:55<Kemo_>Err testing/main Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 80] Err testing/contrib Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 80]
00:55<Kemo_>it connected to alot of this link
00:56<Kemo_>but at last it gave this error above
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00:57<sun>ah i rechecked, add a '/debian' to the uri as follows: 'deb testing main contrib non-free'
00:58<sun>see, after .org i added .org/debian
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00:59<Kemo_>ok its updating now
00:59<sun>(btw did your install complete normally? whenever i've installed before these sources.list issues were already prepared)
01:00<Kemo_>did you mean while installing debian itself?
01:00<Kemo_>yea i did install it normally
01:02<Kemo_>wait, what do you mean by installing it normally?
01:02<Kemo_>like making it connect etc?
01:02<sun>never mind, i think i understand why your sources.list was as it wZS
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01:06<sun>so all working now? when you run netselect-apt -n testing it will find the fastest debian mirror and write your optimal sources.list file. just 'sudo cp sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list' (make a backup of the original) and you should be set.
01:07<Kemo_>i updated and installed the "netselect-apt" thingy
01:07<Kemo_>right now installing xchat then ill do whatever you just told me about
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01:07<Kemo_>i forgot about the netselect #2 step
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01:12<sun>ok i have to go... everything ok?
01:12<Kemo_>yea thanks alot
01:12<sun>ok have fun.
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01:56<inspiron>how do i check what gcc glib libc etc versions are needed by a module which I want to compile against some kernel headers?
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02:10<jm_>inspiron: it's the gcc version that kernel was compiled with that matters
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02:12<vorn>Do any of you guys use ratpoison?
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02:37<twiggz>Good evening, internets.
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02:50<inspiron>jm_ how do I find what version the kernel was compiled with? Bear in mind that I am compiling for a kernel which has nothing to do with my system?
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02:52<sheldonh>is there an apt-get or aptitude command that will ensure that /var/cache/apt/archives contains .deb files for all installed packages that are still available for download per the current apt sources?
02:54<sheldonh>awky seddy time :)
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02:58<bnagy>hey all, I have some issues with clvm / cman. It's actually (aorry) an ubuntu box, but #ubuntu is apparently for retarded desktop questions
02:58<bnagy>anyone used gfs2 in a cluster and can help with some troubleshooting?
02:59<sheldonh>honestly, you're probably better off in a redhat support channel
03:00<bnagy>yeah, but all the packages are different :(
03:00<sheldonh>as they are in ubuntu
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03:00<bnagy>the redhat side assumes a whole bunch of daemons that aren't there - I think the ubuntu packages should be the same - it's just gfs-tools, cman and clvm
03:01<sheldonh>i appreciate that #ubuntu is useless. i'm suggesting that your best "wrong place to go" for help with redhat-originated tools would be a redhat support channel. the stable versions of debian just don't have viable cman suites
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03:02<bnagy>fair enough :)
03:02<bnagy>I don't suppose you know any good clustering filesystems that work with debian based OSes?
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03:03<sheldonh>for how many nodes?
03:03<bnagy>8, but I don't need HA or anything like that
03:03<bnagy>I just need 8 servers to share access to an iSCSI block device with some kind of filesystem that supports that
03:03<sheldonh>hmmm. ocfs is awesome for small numbers of nodes. gfs scales up better. this is my opinion based on lab testing almost two years ago
03:04<bnagy>am I going to have any better luck getting oracle stuff supported than redhat stuff? :)
03:04<sheldonh>i think i'd try ocfs first, but test throughput early, so you can rule it out quickly if it's not going to scale
03:05<bnagy>how about just throwing in the towel and trying NFS? Lost cause?
03:05<sheldonh>hmmm. dunno. i think you're entering the realm of the determined, self-sufficient hacker :)
03:05<bnagy>just saying NFS makes me feel a little queasy...
03:05<sheldonh>if you don't need lock failover, NFS is awesome :)
03:06<bnagy>yeah determined and self-sufficient I can do, I just wish stuff would have a little better logging or doc
03:06<bnagy>what's locl failover?
03:06<bnagy>in my normal use case there should be no chance of hosts trampling each other's stuff, I mainly just want new files to show up without a remount
03:06<bnagy>it's a big kvm farm
03:06<bnagy>well, only 64 guests I guess, so maybe not 'big'
03:07<bnagy>but I would like headroom to double that
03:07<sheldonh>wait, i'm talking nonsense. NFS is not the answer for an 8 node cluster sharing an iSCSI block device :)
03:07<bnagy>no that's true, but I don't need to use iSCSI
03:07<bnagy>I have a box with 4 bonded Gb cards on a dedicated Gb network whose job is shared storage
03:07<sheldonh>so let me describe the weakness, and you can decide whether it'll hurt you :)
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03:08<sheldonh>errr... wait... you -don't- need the filesystem to be highly available?
03:09<bnagy>I need it to be fast, shared and show up new files from host A on host B without a remount
03:10<bnagy>we have been just running ext2 on the block device which 'works' for some definition of works, but remounting all the time is tiresome
03:10<bnagy>I had assumed this gfs2 would be half a day's work but it's 2.5 and counting atm which is time I can't afford
03:11<sheldonh>great. then stuff it all and replace iscsi with NFS :)
03:12<bnagy>but iSCSI and clusters sound soo cooool :>
03:12<bnagy>*sigh* I was coming to pretty much the same conclusion
03:12<sheldonh>NFS is only really a problem for a small set of applications, or when you need HA (because there's no lock replication across the servers, so when the backup takes over, it'll happily issue locks on files that the primary had already issued locks for)
03:13<sheldonh>oh they -are- cool. just a lot of hair pulling, initially. maybe give yourself a day with ocfs before giving up on cool :)
03:13<bnagy>so if the servers will be in their own patch 95% of the time and there shouldn't be concurrent reads to the same file, is NFS my best bet for performace?
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03:15<sheldonh>wellll, i think you might get better performance out of ocfs, but can't remember where the scale tipping point was. it's certainly your best bet for simplicity :)
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03:15<bnagy>what's best - one mount per server and one for sharing, or is that overkill?
03:16<sheldonh>personally, i don't think that's overkill
03:16<bnagy>it's only over GbE so I think that will probably be my bottleneck
03:16<sheldonh>can't you put the OS on local disk?
03:16<bnagy>yeah they are
03:16<bnagy>I just need NFS for VM disks and config files
03:17<bnagy>but mostly the machines are running in snapshot mode which means it's all cached to tmpfs at the servers anyway, so the network pull is only at the start
03:17<sheldonh>woah, virtual machines? not sure NFS will cut it, performance-wise. sorry, i might have missed that in your description earlier
03:18<sheldonh>if it were me, i'd give myself a timebox for ocfs, and fall back to nfs if i didn't get very happy inside the timebox
03:18<bnagy>does ocfs need crazy clustering stuff as well?
03:19<bnagy>I suppose it must, for the locking and stuff :/
03:19<sheldonh>ocfs is suprisingly uncrazy
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03:20<sheldonh>put it this way. you'll end up wondering what the -hell- the gfs folks were thinking :)
03:21<jm_>inspiron: sorry was dealing with hardware upgrade; cat /proc/version
03:22<bnagy>sheldonh: ok, I'll give it a whirl... I _think_ I need a very simple setup, ideally I just want to mkfs -t ocfs on the block device I see from the iSCSI and have it work
03:23<bnagy>I hopefully don't need heartbeat, drbd, stonith, partridge in pear tree...?
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03:25<sheldonh>drbd would be for making the iscsi device highly available
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03:25<sheldonh>a pear tree is always handy :)
03:25<bnagy>yeah well I only have one iscsi box, so :P
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03:26<bnagy>reading... it _looks_ like one config file, mkfs and mount...
03:26<bnagy>that sound about right to you?
03:26<bnagy>one config file per node, obviously
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03:28<sheldonh>yup. it's beautifully simple stuff
03:28<sheldonh>i need to run around shouting at people now
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03:29<bnagy>ok, very last question - the network for locking traffic - is that chatty? I can put it on the command and control side, or lump it in on the dedicated storage network
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03:29<bnagy>and thanks a lot for your help. I shall return with even more thanks and maybe sacrifice a goat in your name if it actually works
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03:39<sheldonh>i think it's to lump it all into the storage network -- whether you're congested on concurrency control or block movement, you're congested :)
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03:41<johns>I'm having dbus woes on sid, nothing is able to connect to the dbus-daemon --session
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03:42<johns>I get messages like "Failed to open connection to "session" message bus: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-W4FTqjlOyt: Connection refused", and there are no dbus-* files in /tmp
03:43<jm_>!connection refused
03:43<dpkg>When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running on the specified IP address at all (e.g. apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things.
03:43<johns>dbus-daemon --session is running
03:43<jm_>and listening on that socket?
03:44<jm_>apparently not as you said |and there are no dbus-* files in /tmp"
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03:44<johns>right, it is not listening on the socket that everything expects it to be listening on
03:44<jm_>try netstat -nap|grep dbus (as root)
03:45<johns>well: unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 3076037 14868/dbus-daemon @/tmp/dbus-ebkDEM9ygG
03:47<johns>there are a couple of other entries for that pid saying CONNECTED
03:48<jm_>what does 'echo $DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS' say in a terminal?
03:48<sheldonh>i wonder if we can improve that factoid so that it works for unix domain sockets :)
03:49<johns>jm_: unix:abstract=/tmp/dbus-NOnqrBXISR,guid=6f0c647c0874dff2616fac56000254b0
03:49<sheldonh>ah, no. the description starts with "When a TCP connection", so that's fine :)
03:50<jm_>johns: right, try to modify it to point to its new socket and run one of the tools that fails in this terminal
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03:51<johns>jm_: now I get, Failed to open connection to "session" message bus: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken
03:52<jm_>johns: ahh right, I think it's user session that died
03:52<johns>jm_: this is a pretty new session...
03:52<jm_>johns: there should be one running with your UID
03:52<johns>and earlier I killed and re-launched dbus-daemon --session
03:53<johns>in an effort to fix the connection refused error
03:53<jm_>right, and that doesn't update env. of running apps so they are still trying to reach the old one
03:53<johns>this is a new terminal
03:53<johns>any app started gives the same error
03:53<johns>evince, for example
03:53<jm_>it doesn't matter - they still get the same env that the parent process has (window manager)
03:54<jm_>which is pointing to the old socket, no longer there
03:54<johns>well I guess the next question is why the socket isn't there anymore, since the window manager session is < 24 hours old
03:55<johns>I'll try with a fresh session
03:55<jm_>did you check if there's anything in ~/.xsession-errors file?
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03:57<johns>jm_: there are many of the connection refused errors, but I think that's it..
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03:57<jm_>johns: and nothing from dbus itself?
03:57<jm_>I guess next step is to see what it's doing after your start X and before it dies
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04:09<johns>jm_: well, now when I restart X I have no keyboard, and some new errors in xsession-errors
04:10<johns>"E: main.c: Daemon startup failed." and "Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.naquadah.awesome.awful was not provided by any .service files"
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04:16<jm_>johns: try to strace it
04:16<johns>jm_: the main.c error was just pulseaudio apparently, not relevant
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04:16<johns>just its friendly way of saying "I'm already running"
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04:22<Bleez>Zdravim, chci prejit z trapnych Widli na Linux Debian, nasel jsem DVD ISO / 1-4 dvd.. staci mi jen to prvni DVD? A co je na tech ostatnich?
04:22<dpkg>from memory, cz is Czech Republic. Kanal pro cechy je #debian-cz
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04:25<yury>latest testing snapshot is broken
04:26<Bleez>hey, for Debian installation need all 4 dvd, or only 1 dvd *.ISO?
04:27<yury>only 1 cd
04:27<yury>seems it has been reported already
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04:49<johns>so, what's the recommended way to start the session dbus daemon if not using gnome or a session manager? I had been starting it from .xsession
04:51<jm_>johns: standard debian session starts it by default
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04:51<jm_>johns: is it mentioned in /etc/X11/Xsession.options ?
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04:54<johns>jm_: yes, it's there
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04:55<jm_>johns: so it gets started but it dies/exits
04:55<norbert_>I'm wondering... if ClamAV has been disabled on Debian stable for over 2 months, does this mean the Debian project thinks that package isn't that important?
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04:56<jm_>norbert_: is lenny-volatile version disabled too?
04:56<gsimmons>norbert_: Security support has ended for that version (DSA-1906-1) ; /msg dpkg clamav
04:56<jm_>yeah get it from volatile
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04:57<norbert_>so, Debian stable users are expected to know about volatile or visit an IRC channel to ask for more information?
04:58<themill>dpkg: tell norbert_ about cross-post
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04:58<themill>norbert_: please don't ask exactly the same questions in more than one place at a time.
04:59<norbert_>just wanted to see what various people's opinions on this are, in two different channels
04:59<themill>norbert_: you're asking much the same people in two channels.
04:59<norbert_>I think it's amazing that such an important package just breaks and I have to find out about it after 2 months
04:59<themill>yay for checking your logs
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05:00<norbert_>I'm just a regular user
05:00<koollman>well. It's 'funnier' to find out because your mail system stops filtering stuff...
05:00<johns>jm_: well.. it also doesn't seem to be reading my ~/.xsession even though that option is also set
05:00<jm_>so it must be not too important for you if you don't read DSA-s
05:00<koollman>also, it's always interesting to choose between a non-working version, and another obsolete version :)
05:00<jm_>johns: how do you start X?
05:00<norbert_>is clamav useless for a regular Linux user?
05:00<johns>jm_: with slim
05:01<norbert_>and only useful if you're running some kind of mail daemon?
05:01<koollman>norbert_: pretty much, yes
05:01<koollman>of course, if you are using clamav on debian to filter mail ... it is mostly useless too, now. but it's a different problem.
05:01<jm_>johns: right, I never used that, try to find out what it starts
05:02<norbert_>aren't there like a million Linux viruses by now?
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05:02<norbert_>I don't understand why making a trojan for Linux would be any more different than making it for Windows
05:02<cthuluh>well, just try
05:03<norbert_>why should I
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05:03<cthuluh>because doing so, you would understand
05:03<johns>jm_: okay, I was just giving it the wrong session name -- it now starts the dbus session daemon correctly, but there are still no sockets created in /tmp/dbus*
05:03<norbert_>to understand why it's more difficult? :)
05:03<koollman>norbert_: different OS, different ways of exploiting. Not too difficult, but rarely rewarding, too. targeting linux workstation is like ... missing out all the opportunities to infect a lot of boxes :)
05:03<cthuluh>it's not impossible, just harder
05:03<johns>jm_: the daemon didn't die, it's still running
05:03<norbert_>koollman: that's true, but still
05:04<koollman>cthuluh: actually ... no. I don't think that's true anymore :)
05:04<cthuluh>yeah ;)
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05:04<norbert_>I think it's just as easy
05:04*themill thinks we've probably strayed far enough from debian user support
05:04<norbert_>only reason there aren't a lot more trojans for Linux is that less people use the OS
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05:05<koollman>well. on the debian user support part... what should someone do, when one want to run an effective clamav daemon ? build his own ?
05:05<johns>jm_: hm, actually, I think all might be working now..
05:05<themill>the one in volatile works quite fine for me
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05:05<norbert_>people still have to be computer nerds to use Debian
05:05<koollman>well, considering that the 'stable' version is very stable in its non-working state, and the volatile version is outdated...
05:05<norbert_>after all these years
05:05<norbert_>my next Linux will be Ubuntu
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05:06<norbert_>Debian really is a server OS
05:06<Ox90>you think?
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05:06<Ox90>Debian is great as a desktop OS
05:06<norbert_>since the package is broken, maybe an updated package should be added on the apt server that will just disable the daemon and everything related to it
05:07<koollman>I don't really think its great anywhere. but others might be worse ;)
05:07<norbert_>it's great until you want to get work done
05:07<norbert_>like video-editing
05:07<themill>norbert_: that was considered but not possible. That's what volatile is for.
05:07<norbert_>then everything breaks and you might as well go to unstable
05:08<norbert_>I've never heard of volatile in my life and I've been using Linux only for 13+ years
05:08<norbert_>and Debian for many, many years
05:08<themill>norbert_: yay for reading the release notes
05:08<koollman>norbert_: perhaps not reading the relases notes often ?
05:08<norbert_>is it like backports?
05:08<themill>along with the logs
05:09<koollman>although ... if you don't read the notes, the installer never ever mentions that it's a possibility, and it's really ... nowhere else :)
05:09<themill>koollman: precisely which version of clamav are you looking for? given that you're claiming that they're all outdated.
05:09<norbert_>koollman: exactly'
05:09<cthuluh>themill: not koollman but norbert_
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05:10<norbert_>it's really weird
05:10<themill>cthuluh: no, koollman, not norbert_.#
05:10<norbert_>if Debian is meant to be used on the desktop, you really can't expect people to check logs
05:10<lasha>anyone in here have any ROCKbox experience?
05:10<norbert_>regular users don't check logs weekly to see if maybe something has broken
05:10<norbert_>doesn't work like that
05:11<norbert_>and release notes? real men don't read instruction manuals or release notes
05:11<jm_>right, real people also ignore trolls
05:11<koollman>themill: well. now that I'm checking... the volatile version is good-enough again. Although, with no security, it means the updates are a bit less predictible, which means you have to make sure the packaged clamav has no serious known flaw
05:11<norbert_>as if a regular joe reads the release notes
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05:11<themill>norbert_: take a break from #debian and try to be more signal and less noise in the future
05:12<themill>koollman: eh?
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05:12<koollman>well, he has a point. I knew about volatile because a local debian guru told me about it. I noticed the very small mention in lenny notes, but nowhere else it is 'shown' or pushed enough to be useful for people that might need it
05:13<lasha>I'm trying to get my old GigaBeat (running Rbox) to mount but dmesg gives me something about being "unable to enumerate USB device..."
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05:14<themill>koollman: it's in the release notes, it's in the sources.list from the installer, it's mentioned in the d-s-a announcements about things like clamav. If people don't read, they're never going to find things no matter how you try to tell them when your only method of communicating to them is via the written word.
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05:16<koollman>themill: hey, I'm not good at communication. I'm just telling ... many don't know about it :)
05:17<letrozko>Hello, I'm a humble user(novice linux user) and would like to change to debian. I'm curious, does debian on boot greets you with a terminal installer or a graphic one?
05:17<letrozko>I want to get the 4.4gb dvd for instalation.
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05:17<lasha>damn, lsusb doesn't even see it!
05:18<cthuluh>letrozko: 1) both. 2) the DVD is probably overkill
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05:18<letrozko>cthuluh, Ok, thank you so much. And the default desktop manager is GNOME on deb? :)
05:19<cthuluh>with the first CD, yes
05:19<letrozko>I want to get the dvd version.
05:20<letrozko>Went here but what dvd do I get?
05:20<letrozko>debian-504-i386-DVD-1.iso this one?
05:21<lasha>wtf? after trying a differing usb port, it shows up. I don't understand. The original port is good--know this for a fact.
05:21<lasha>what gives?
05:21<cthuluh>letrozko: I won't answer since you probably do not need so much packages it would just use bandwidth; but heh, do what you want ; maybe others will answer
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05:22<letrozko>cthuluh, I have a good internet connection and my bandwidth allows me to do this. And also I have a spare dvd.
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05:23<letrozko>cthuluh, Wouldn't it be better to get the dvd instead of the cd version? I don't want to download after....those packages.
05:23<cthuluh>letrozko: I meant the bandwidth used by the server, not yours
05:23<letrozko>cthuluh, Ohhh excuse me. Ok then I will get the cd version.
05:24<letrozko>cthuluh, but what cd...I get a lot of them here
05:24<letrozko> debian-504-i386-CD-1.iso this one?
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05:25<letrozko>cthuluh, and that one comes with gnome right?
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05:26<cthuluh>11:19 < cthuluh> with the first CD, yes
05:27<letrozko>cthuluh, Ohh I saw, excuse me.
05:27<letrozko>cthuluh, Thank you so much sir.
05:28*cthuluh feels like 10 years older...
05:28<cthuluh>you're welcome
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05:48<Biftor>hi all
05:48<Biftor>:| i say hi!!!
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05:53<Biftor>i need DWA-120 Dlink WLan Driver!!! Plz Help
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05:56<themill>Biftor: It looks like you're using ubuntu, in which case the guys in #ubuntu on are better able to help you.
05:56<Biftor>themill: Thanks a lot of !!! :-*
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05:59<ohwow>I want stuff on my computer to be organized and I decided to make a deb package for the software, which is not in repositories. Will simple `make && make install DESTDIR=./deb/` and `dpkg-deb --build deb` be enough?
06:02<jm_>ohwow: probably not, see also checkinstall for simple stuff
06:02<themill>ohwow: you'd do better to put a little more effort into making your package -- tools like checkinstall, dh-make can help (/msg dpkg checkinstall, /msg dpkg dh-make). Also see and /msg dpkg nmg
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06:08<ohwow>yeah but im making this package just for myself
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06:08<ohwow>thanks tho
06:08<ultralord>I have a Dell Latitude C640, 512Mb RAM. The OS Ubuntu or DEbian is slow. :-(
06:08<ohwow>i'll check out the links
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06:18<nixi>ijos de perraaaaa!!!!!!
06:18<nixi>hijo de puta
06:18<themill>!es-social nixi
06:18<dpkg>nixi: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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06:20<Biftor>i use backtrack and don`t know how install my wireless dlink-dwa120 !!! Please help me
06:20<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
06:20<themill>Biftor: you're still in the wrong place. #backtrack-linux on
06:21<Biftor>but i didn`t find it :(
06:21<themill>Biftor: in xchat it's called "ubuntu servers". And you need to "/msg nickserv help register" to go into #backtrack-linux
06:22<Biftor>ok ty
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07:22<axius>hello, i have a toshiba camileo pro video camera and i'd like to use it as a webcam via USB cable, any ideea what i should do ? i have installed camorama and it tells me it can't connect to /dev/video0
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07:25<petemc>axius: do you see anything in dmesg/syslog/messages when you plug it in?
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07:26<axius>new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8
07:26<axius>New USB device found, idVendor=04f2, idProduct=a216
07:26<axius>usb 2-1.5: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3
07:26<axius> usb 2-1.5: Product: TOSHIBA Camileo Pro
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07:29<axius>what should i be searching for ? are there any video usb webcam generic drivers i need to install ?
07:30<petemc>i would google and see if anyone else has done the same thing (and then written about it)
07:31<axius>i did and couldn't find anything similar, i'll search some more :) thanks
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08:06<ravi>hi, I have to click thrice or more times for a click to function properly, I didn't have this problem before, can you suggest me what might be the problem? the mouse is fine.
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09:26<xavier_02>hi all
09:26<xavier_02>salut tout le monde
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09:39<Pony>where can i find older install cd images from etch or even before?
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09:39<Pony>the homepage only seems to link to lenny and squeeze
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09:44<edilma>hello guys
09:44<edilma>I am from Brasil
09:45<edilma>hi Pony
09:45<gsimmons>Pony: /msg dpkg etch iso ; /msg dpkg archive
09:45<Pony>gsimmons: thanks
09:46<edilma>all fine Pony
09:46<edilma>you know Big Linux
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09:47<Pony>edilma: no i dont
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09:48<edilma>is an good distribuition in Rio de Janeiro - Brasil
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09:48<Pony>edilma: yes it is
09:49<edilma>you use Linux yes?
09:49<Pony>yes i do
09:50<edilma>ok guy, very good
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09:53<edilma>Pony, which Linux you use?
09:53<Pony>edilma: debian
09:53<locklace>edilma: do you have a debian question
09:54<edilma>pure or modifeid
09:54<Pony>edilma: what do you mean by "pure or modified" ?
09:56<edilma>modified, for Big Linux - Ubuntu
09:56<locklace>edilma: this channel is for debian support. if you just want to chat, go to #debian-offtopic or some other channel
09:57<edilma>thanks, sorry guys, bey bey
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10:32<Guest439>morning guys, i need so direction/info on bluetooth tethering with iphone on squeeze
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10:44<zem>in lenny there was a program called "System Profiler and Benchmark" that i can't find in squeeze, anyone knows what packet installs it? if there is such in squeeze?
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10:46<agus>hai alguien hay+
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10:47<dpkg>somebody said as was autosearch: install apt-file and use apt-cache search <packagename> and/or apt-file search <name> , do it yourself. Don't forget to run apt-file update ;)
10:47<qq->zem, ^^
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10:47<qq->!social-es agus
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10:48<agus>quien eres
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10:48<agus>tu nombre es social?¿?¿
10:48<qq->!es-social agus
10:48<dpkg>agus: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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10:49<zem>qq-: but i don't have apt-file, how can i find what package to install to get apt-file if i need apt-file to find it? :D
10:50<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude.
10:50<zem>(i wasn't serious about that one)
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10:51<qq->was tcllib ?
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11:18<kristianpaul>Free Computer:
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11:26<tidux>I have a question about the motd in Debian
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11:26<tidux>the distro, not the channel
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11:26<tidux>how do I get rid of this auto-updating crap?
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11:26<tidux>I just want to have it read the text in /etc/motd, and nothing else.
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11:29<themill>tidux: precisely what "auto-updating crap"?
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11:30<tidux>the script that automatically puts together a motd at boot time
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11:31<tidux>I updated Sid a few days ago, and now I get all these exec errors at the beginning of my motd, and I was getting tired of the warranty message anyway
11:31<tidux>I edited /etc/motd to something different - had NO EFFECT after reboot
11:31<themill>tidux: did you look at what you were editing?
11:32<themill>Perhaps you should "ls -l /etc/motd" and check what you were editing.
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11:34<tidux>edited /var/run/motd this time
11:34<themill>... that's the opposite of what you should be doing
11:34*themill thinks a sid user should have been able to "rgrep motd /etc/init.d" to work out what to do in any case.
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11:37<tidux>thanks, found bootlogs
11:37<tidux>I'm a derp
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11:45<edbian>Is there software in the repos that lets me send SMS messages for free? Similar to skype?
11:46<petemc>you need a provider to allow you to do that
11:47<edbian>petemc, How does skype pull it off?
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11:51<petemc>edbian: they're a provider
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11:52<edbian>petemc, IC. Thank you!
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11:52<petemc>you may be able to send an email to <mobile number>@<providers domain>
11:52<petemc>not all networks have email gateways tho
11:53<edbian>petemc, Yeah. I've thought about that before. I think I might just download / compile the latest skype for linux.
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12:03<inkbottle>Already asked on debian-kde but not lucky: how can I set a limit to kde4-gnash use of cpu? (kind of: cpulimit -e kde4-gnash -l 20)
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12:08<inkbottle>i go to see on kde :)
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12:15<elmof>boa tarde a todos
12:15<rmayorga>!pt elmof
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12:16<elmof>boa tarde a todos
12:16<themill>!ubuntu-br elmof
12:16<dpkg>elmof: Este canal e para suportar o Debian em Ingles. Por favor, /server depois /join #ubuntu-br.
12:16<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
12:16<elmof>Good afternoon everyone
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12:25<sun>good afternoon elmof.. do you have a question?
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12:48<amitz>what's the lightest weight web browser that support socks server?
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13:07<retrospectacus># grep -rIn --exclude=files --exclude=cache outer_wrapper .
13:07<retrospectacus>./cache/7dea1a510f67408fa920101f00c1a109.php:33:<div id="outer_wrapper">
13:07<retrospectacus>why isn't it excluding cache?
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13:15<drakeman>hey guys where i can remove the preinst files if canceled the installation of a package before it finish
13:15<drakeman>now i can reinstall it?
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13:15<drakeman>i was trying to install otrs2
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13:17<drakeman>j #debian-es
13:20<old>drakeman: `aptitude purge otrs2`
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13:21<drakeman>old, but you remember the install directories for preinst files ?
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13:22<drakeman>cause i alredy purge the package bu the same problem
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13:22<drakeman>all the dependences installs fine but otrs2 deb file failed with status half installed or not installed
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13:33<Lenhix>Hi guys. I want to use the Hardware RAID support included in HP Proliant ML110 and ML115. Having created the array, Debian 5.0.4 installation sees both hard drives, not the RAID. CentOS 5.4 can see the RAID as /dev/mapper. I really want to use Debian, but I don't know how to load some driver or module to make the installation see the RAID
13:34<Lenhix>Can somebody give me a north?
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13:37<kristianpaul>Lenhix: is this hardware really support or faked
13:37<kristianpaul>also are you related with the RAID management in the bios?
13:38<drakeman>any help with this please:
13:38<drakeman>i cancell the installation now i cant reinstall it
13:39<felixs>Lenhix: does your CentOS see both drives as well? this would be unusual for hardware raid...
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13:40<Lenhix>kristianpaul: real hardware, a real HP ProLiant ML110 server
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13:41<Lenhix>felixs: nope. CentOS recognizes the RAID instantly and the controller replicates the partitions and data to both disks
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13:41<kristianpaul>Lenhix: if you see two drives thatsa fake RAID
13:41<kristianpaul>in wich
13:41<kristianpaul>the kernel linuxc
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13:42<kristianpaul>must do the RAID tasks
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13:42<Lenhix>Weird... then why does the BIOS has an array utility?
13:42<kristianpaul>is a fake bios raid setup
13:42<Lenhix>Really? :S
13:42<kristianpaul>then only ting you got is higher speed in think
13:43<kristianpaul>i got some server in same situation
13:43<kristianpaul>at least
13:43<kristianpaul>at least
13:43<kristianpaul>there is a PCI card for that
13:43<Lenhix>DAMMIT... I hate CentOS XD
13:43<kristianpaul>but you can lie to debian too
13:43<kristianpaul>i mea
13:44<kristianpaul>tell him that load the raid support in the kernel
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13:44<kristianpaul>at your perfomance responsabillity
13:45<kristianpaul>drakeman: apt-get -f install or apt-get purge didnt work?
13:45<drakeman>kristianpaul, op
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13:49<kristianpaul>drakeman: mkdir /usr/share/otrs and then try again dpkg ?
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13:51<drakeman>kristianpaul, thanks let me see
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13:54<retrospectacus>Good day sir, have we been introduced? My name's Adam but you can call me retrospectacus. So, how's Debian working for you?
13:57<charithm>i'm new to back track...i am 23 years..and from sri lanka
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13:57<retrospectacus>sorry, we cannot support backtrack here. It is not Debian
13:57<charithm>ok ok
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13:58<kristianpaul>swich debian and we support you
13:58<kristianpaul>swich to*
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13:58<Lenhix>kristianpaul: does Debian installer support Software RAID during installation?
13:58<Ox90>they only support bt4 though
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13:58<Lenhix>I was just talking with my office mates while buying the lunch...
13:58<kristianpaul>Lenhix: yes
13:58<EmleyMoor>Lenhix: Yes, definitely
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13:58<Lenhix>Another option is LVM over Softw RAID
13:59<EmleyMoor>I did a new build wint LVM on RAID6
13:59<EmleyMoor>with, even
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13:59<EmleyMoor>Installer supports it all - though /boot on RAID1 of course
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13:59<charithm>so back track is what?
14:00<Lenhix>kristianpaul: where could I get info to demonstrate that's a fake RAID HW controller? looking on /dev/mapper docs?
14:00<locklace>!tell charithm about backtrack
14:00<kristianpaul>dpkg: backtrack
14:00<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
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14:00<charithm>thanx have a nice day
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14:00<kristianpaul>Lenhix: if debian see two disk is what is really there
14:01<charithm>yes hello
14:01<RobertF>I can't install debian lenny from netinstall.. I type install acpi=off
14:01<RobertF>message: booting kernel.......
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14:02<RobertF>may I use install noacpi indead acpi=off?
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14:03<RobertF>indead / instead
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14:04<kristianpaul>!tell Lenhix about software raid
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14:23<djoe>halo ebo
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14:54<valdyn>RobertF: i think that switch is noapic, which is something entirely different, read the docs
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14:55<Moss_M>would anyone here be able to point me in the right direction for setting up and adding ipv6 ips to debian?
14:55<valdyn>Moss_M: where? in your local not?
14:55<valdyn>Moss_M: where? in your local *net* ?
14:56<Moss_M>i have a debian vps and a large block of ipv6.
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14:57<Moss_M>for some reason i'm having hard time finding a good walkthrough. a lot of the things i've come across point me in different directions
14:57<valdyn>Moss_M: where did you get that ipv6 block? from a tunnel provider?
14:57<Moss_M>no it's provided by the host
14:57<valdyn>Moss_M: why would you need a block for just one vps?
14:57<Moss_M>so i believe yes it is local
14:57<Moss_M>for rdns for znc
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14:58<valdyn>Moss_M: so you already have the ipv6 set up on that vps
14:58<Moss_M>the ips themselves should be ready to be added to the system, yes
14:58<valdyn>Moss_M: so add them
14:58<Moss_M>they have been allocated to my vps
14:59<valdyn>Moss_M: its not any different than ipv4 if you dont have autoconfiguration
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14:59<Moss_M>i am not very experienced with adding ips to debian, but i have had a few friends that thought they knew what they were doing not be able to figure it out themselves
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15:00<valdyn>/sbin/ifconfig iface add 2001:a60:f01b::1/128
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15:01<valdyn>/sbin/ifconfig <iface> add 2001:a60:f01b::1/128 is better
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15:02<valdyn>Moss_M: but maybe your isp actually wants you to use his autoconfiguration mechanism, ask them
15:02<Moss_M>i will try that
15:03<[machine]>ip -6 addr add <ip> dev <iface> || ifconfig <dev> inet6 add <ip>
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15:03<valdyn>inet6 is not needed there
15:04<Moss_M>when would it be needed?
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15:04<Moss_M>also, my block is 2607:f0d0:1002:008b::1000-1500
15:04<Moss_M>how would i represent that
15:04<valdyn>i have no idea, i havent touched this setup for years
15:05<valdyn>Moss_M: thats not what i would call a block, you cant assign blocks to interfaces
15:05<Moss_M>so i have to add them one at a time?
15:05<valdyn>Moss_M: its 501 ip adresses
15:05<valdyn>Moss_M: do you need that many?
15:05<Moss_M>yeah i guess i meant a part of ablock
15:05<Moss_M>i will use them all, yeah
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15:06<Moss_M>it's not imperative tht they all be added now, though
15:06<valdyn>Moss_M: that make your outgoing traffic match the incoming adress you would need 501 virtual interfaces
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15:07<valdyn>( and you would have to bind a server to each of those )
15:07<Moss_M>and i add those to /etc/network/interfaces ?
15:07<valdyn>Moss_M: you can do that yes
15:07<Moss_M>or is that more work than another way?
15:07<valdyn>whats the point in having 501 ip adresses?
15:07<Moss_M>also, i have ipv4 and ipv6 on this machine
15:07<[machine]>same effort really
15:07<valdyn>is your macine even capable of serving that content over that many interfaces?
15:08<[machine]>valdyn: i guess for vhosting
15:08<Moss_M>for irc vhosts. it will have bouncers running on it
15:08<[machine]>znc is an irc bouncer
15:08<Moss_M>sure, it's a nice machine
15:08<Moss_M>yes, znc specifically
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15:09<[machine]>should work fine in my experience
15:09<valdyn>Moss_M: now you still miss the routing table entries .. you isp must have given you that too
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15:10<[machine]>moss_m: yep, you will need a default route back out to 6bone
15:10<Moss_M>well i dont know nything about that lol :x
15:10<[machine]>moss: won't work without it
15:10<Moss_M>which doesnt change my ignorance
15:11<valdyn>Moss_M: there can only be one default route , something like "route add default eth0"
15:11<[machine]>6bone is just slang for the ipv6 internet
15:11<[machine]>you will need to tell your system where to send traffic for the rest of the ipv6 internet
15:11<valdyn>Moss_M: that gives "route -6 add default eth0" iirc
15:12<Moss_M>my current /etc/network/interfaces
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15:29<Lenhix>Guys, do you think there is so much performance penalty by using software RAID vs. FakeRAID?
15:29<Lenhix>s/vs\./instead of/
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15:33<vinicius>Hi! I would like my Left Win key to be mapped as Mod4. Modifying GNOME preferences seems to have no effect onthis.
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15:38<felixs>Lenhix: when using software raid, you are more flexible. e.g. you can parellelize swap
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15:39<felixs>i'd definitley go for software raid in this case
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15:50<felipejs>felipe de jesus souza
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15:51<mercutio22>on gnome power preferences one is able to set screen brightness on AC power but not on Battery power?
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15:59<capoeira>Saludos a todos
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16:02<capoeira>Tengo un pequeño trabajo de investigacion, y me gustaria saber si me puede ayudar
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16:03<NativeAngels>hello has anyone here installed debian on a sunfire v100
16:04<capoeira>me dieron las especificaciones de un equipo (CPU Intel Core Duo 2.2 GHz, 4 GB Ram, Dos Discos Duros de 1 TB, dos Tarjetas de Red) y el tamaño de una red de 50 Equipos
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16:05<rmayorga>!es capoeira
16:05<dpkg>capoeira: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
16:05<capoeira>dpkg, Gracias
16:05<dpkg>[gracias] thank you
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16:07<capoeira>dpkg, Muito Obrigado
16:07<dpkg>capoeira: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
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16:30<padski>I just got hit by #583910 :-) this makes entertaining reading:
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16:32<padski>... and those deps are not pulled in when I install from sid :-(
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16:34<dpkg>hello, padski
16:35<shbrol>does someone know what happened to ?
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16:35<ebrahim>shbrol, it is down for me.
16:36<padski>no. I just rem'ed it out of my sources.
16:36<shbrol>web site is alive, but all html pages are gone
16:36<shbrol>so are the pools
16:36<shbrol>only the directory tree remains
16:38<padski>the list of mirrors is still in the google cache
16:40<shbrol>thanks padski
16:40<padski>is it still marillat that runs it ?
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16:40<shbrol>last time I checked, yes it was Christian
16:40<padski>yeah, the bot here thinks so too
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16:44<padski>I sent him an email.
16:45<RobertF>valdyn: noacpi or not noapic
16:45<RobertF>valdyn: noacpi and not noapic
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16:54<AYarter>Hey all. I need to reinstall ALSA as I'm not getting sound after a reinstall. Is there a metapackage that I use?
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16:54<AYarter>or do I install just alsa-base and alsa-utils?
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16:55<dpkg>ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, a project providing device drivers for sound cards. To install, ask me about <install alsa>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <alsa versions>, <alsaconf>. #alsa on
16:56<jordanm_>AYarter: the drivers are part of the kernel package, so you are not actually reinstalling that
16:56<jordanm_>!tell AYarter about alsa checklist
16:56<AYarter>Oh, okay.
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16:57<dpkg>luck__: VATTENE VIA
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17:02<AYarter>jordan:Did all of the above and nothing
17:03<AYarter>And it worked before I had to reinstall, so I know the card's good
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17:06<Lenhix>kristianpaul, EmleyMoor, felixs: Thx guys for your help. C u.
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17:09<AYarter>alsaconf finds the card just fine
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17:14<AYarter>well, if anyone has any ideas! lol
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17:14<AYarter>I'm probably going to just reinstall, and see if that makes a difference.
17:14<AYarter>I use dexpert install, I wonder if I forgot to install the module
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17:15<inspiron>hey guys I want to build a module for a particular kernel version (which is different than the kernel I'm running). Has anyone done anything like that or can give advice?
17:16<inspiron>I want to be using the gcc version that was used to build the kernel
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17:17<padski>AYarter, no good ideas, but I do notice that alsaconf seems to have gone from squeeze.
17:18<felixs>inspiron: using moduleassistant, that would be the -l switch
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17:19<inspiron>felixs, do you mind if I ask you a few questions?
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17:19<felixs>inspiron: your best bet is to ask in public
17:20<inspiron>felixs, First how do I find which version was used to compile the kernel 2. Kernels I'm building for are random
17:20<padski>AYarter, the wiki says 'From the package changelog: "The only valid use-case for alsaconf is aiding the configuration of ISA sound cards." ' my recent memories of alsaconf all involved pain.
17:20<AYarter>well, it worked last I did an autoamted install. I'll just go that route again
17:21<AYarter>Yeah. Sometimes it does. Oh well, what can you do? lol
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17:22<felixs>inspiron: when the kernel is running, you find the gcc version in /proc/version
17:22<felixs>otherwise, i think i dont know
17:22<inspiron>felixs, yeah but as I said I will not be running the kernel
17:25<AYarter>So, from a base install, what do I need to install to get alsa working with applications?
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17:25<padski>inspiron, why do you want to use a specific gcc version ?
17:25<AYarter>or should it go out of the box?
17:26<inspiron>padski, I want to make a system which builds a specific module for various kernels
17:26<inspiron>padski, I am running debian but I might want to build for ubuntu kernels, fedora kernels etc.
17:27<inspiron>padski, I will also want to build for different versions and I think it's best if I use the gcc used for to compile the kernel otherwise you get errors
17:27<felixs>inspiron: sounds adventurous. maybe you want to try unpacking the image and then grep gcc :)
17:28<padski>inspiron, that is a world of pain. can you send them the source ?
17:28<inspiron>padski, that's how it was and is still done
17:28<padski>inspiron, obviously builders of proprietary modules manage it, but they tend to support a limited list of systems/kernels
17:29<inspiron>padski, felixs however I want to make it less painful by supplying packages which can be aptitude install or yum install etc
17:29<padski>felixs, tried that
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17:30<inspiron>padski, I will be supporting a limited list as well
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17:31<retrospectacus>I did: apt-get source evolution and made some code changes, what's the command to rebild the .deb ?
17:31<inspiron>padski, if your kernel is not on the list or you have a custom kernel than I'm afraid you will have to compile. However the list should include a good selection of 20-30 kernels
17:31<padski>inspiron, some of these systems are not built with the toolchain that comes with them. In the extreme case, it may not even be published. I would suggest you build with what seems appropriate and then test.
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17:32<padski>inspiron, can you give an example of how it might break ?
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17:32<inspiron>padski, what do you mean?
17:33<felixs>retrospectacus: ./debian/rules binary or dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
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17:34<padski>inspiron, I would have thought that you should have a fair bit of flexibility in which exact version of the compiler you use.
17:34<padski>inspiron, whereas, it wouldn't hurt you to do some testing.
17:35<inspiron>retrospectacus, to get the deb do aptitude download <package>. If you just want a fresh copy of the source run dpkg -x *.dsc in the dir where you ran apt-get source <package>
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17:37<padski>AYarter, don't take this as gospel, but ... last time I got into a mess with alsaconf I think I did apt-get --purge the alsa packages and then reinstall them.
17:37<inspiron>padski, Yes, I should be able to run whatever gcc I want but I'm not sure how to do that. How do I tell make to run another version of gcc? Right now I've downloaded the gcc version that I want and I use make -C KDIR CC=<dir where the gcc binary is> M=<module source dir>
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17:38<padski>inspiron, yes you can set that up, but why do you want to ? I would expect it to work without doing that.
17:38<retrospectacus>felixs: thanks. Have to apt-get build-deps first apparently
17:39<felixs>inspiron: why dont you just pack a source package, which then can be compiled using m-a? then do the equivalent for fedora etc...
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17:39<retrospectacus>err what is that build-deps command?
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17:40<inspiron>padski, I don't think so. I've tried it and I think it gives me errors. I'm pretty sure you are best of compiling the module with the same compiler used for the kernel
17:40<padski>inspiron, or create a chroot or a vm per build enviroment that you need
17:40<felixs>retrospectatus: iirc this installs things listed as build dependencies in debian/control
17:41<padski>inspiron, errors at build time ? or at run time ?
17:41<inspiron>felixs, because it's a nightmare when you deal with that particular source. Some people spend days trying to get it to work. I remember last year I had to deal with it and it took me 3 days trying to get everything to work.
17:41<inspiron>padski, errors at build time. I don't think chroot is an option when we are talking about 30-ish kernels
17:42<inspiron>it complained about cc1
17:42<retrospectacus>it was build-dep not deps :P
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17:43<pavi>how to play flash in epiphany browser ?
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17:45<padski>inspiron, any chance you could pastebin that ?
17:45<pavi>I installed gnash the free flash alternative
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17:45<abrotman>pavi: doesn't work all the time
17:45<abrotman>!tell pavi about bpo
17:46<abrotman>!tell pavi about adobe flash
17:46<NativeAngels>can i ask how easy it is to install debian on a sunfire v100 ?
17:46<retrospectacus>OK so I did apt-get -t sid source evolution, to get the "latest" source. Made my modifications but now apt-get build-dep evolution will not work unless I use -t sid and then it basically makes me upgrade to sid
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17:47<inspiron>padski, yep just let me get it :)
17:47<retrospectacus>so I dunno how to just compile my changes
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17:47<felixs>retrospectacus: tweak the control file and the rules. often it will work anyway
17:47<pavi>abrotman, I only want 'free' version of flash . but gnash seems not even near initialising in epiphany !
17:47*pavi is using debian testing
17:47<AYarter>NativeAngels: You still there?
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17:47<abrotman>pavi: ls -l /etc/alternatives/ ?
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17:48<felixs>retrospectacus: i.e. remove unnecessary dependencies and make it configure --without-<unavailable-stuff>
17:48<NativeAngels>yes AYarter
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17:48<dpkg>[sparc] the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded systems usually run Solaris. For more information about SPARC, see and . To install Debian, ask me about <install guide> and see . For help with Debian on SPARC, join #debian-sparc on
17:48<AYarter>NativeAngels: It depends what you want to do with it. If you're going for a GUI sort of thing, it can be a headache
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17:49<AYarter>If you're going to use it as a server, piece of cake.
17:49<abrotman>NativeAngels: did you ask #debian-sparc yet ?
17:49<felixs>retrospectacus: another short cut would be: use the -d flag (dpkg-buildpackage), it *might* work
17:49<pavi>abrotman, there is no /etc/alternatives/ file . I haven't installed any browser or gnome ( only fluxbox with ephiphany and xchat )
17:49<NativeAngels>i just want it as a lamp server
17:49<AYarter>Problem is, the version of xorg that debian uses (at least a year ago) has issues with multiple PCI busses.
17:49<AYarter>Oh, that's a piece of cake man.
17:50<inspiron>padski, there isn't much really - it just says gcc-4.3: error trying to exec 'cc1' : execvp: No such file or directory
17:50<AYarter>I've installed it on my Ultra @, My V440 and my sunblade 2500
17:51<padski>inspiron, mine is at /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.3/cc1
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17:51<abrotman>pavi: epiphany is a browser
17:51<NativeAngels>what version of devian did you use AYarter
17:52<abrotman>pavi: aptitude install mozilla-plugin-gnash
17:52<AYarter>And it was pretty nice. I'd use it as my desktop distribution if it didn't have PCI bus trouble (This machine has 33 and 66 mhz pci slots, and the card sits in the 66 mhz slot), and native flash support.
17:52<AYarter>Lenny, I believe.
17:52<padski>there is also the boulder dash game
17:52<inspiron>padski, I think the cc1 might be the cpp in gcc but I'm not entirely sure. I though that the gcc binary which I extracted from the deb has all it needs
17:53<pavi>abrotman, I meant I didnt install other browsers . oh so I need to install the mozilla's plugin for the sake of gnash to work on epihany (strange)
17:53<pavi>by the way my epiphany is webkit based
17:53<abrotman>pavi: epiphany is webkit based, but uses mozilla plugins
17:53<NativeAngels>did you use the business card or full version AYarter
17:53<inspiron>padski, I also have it on my system but what package provides that?
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17:54<padski>inspiron, looks like cpp-4.3
17:54<AYarter>Still no sound after reinstall :) fun fun
17:55<AYarter>The only issue I had was stop+a ing to openboot
17:55<AYarter>that would lock the machine sometimes.
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17:56<AYarter>Oh, and be aware that once you install linux, you will have an EMI label on your discs. To make solaris installable again, you'll need to format -e the disc, and install an SMI label
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17:57<inspiron>padski, yes, that's what I thought... strange cause we have the package cpp-4.3 as well. Anyway
17:57<pavi>abrotman, thanks it worked and there were no additional dependencies ( as feared) :)
17:57<NativeAngels>i havent been able to find solaris 8 anywhere
17:58<NativeAngels>which is what it came with
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17:58<AYarter>Oh, Yeah. 8 and 9 are EOL
17:58<AYarter>10 should work, and is better all in all
17:59<AYarter>I see them on ebay for $25 sometimes. lol. Solaris 8 is tough
17:59<AYarter>at elast 10 has zfs and dtrace, and the smf facility.
17:59<NativeAngels>can you install via the cdrom
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17:59<NativeAngels>i does it have to be connected to network
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18:02<AYarter>You can install from cdrom
18:02<AYarter>pm me though, let;'s not clutter this with solaris talk
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18:04<AYarter>I still have no sound working. What the heck
18:05<padski>inspiron, can you build a simple test prog with it ?
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18:07<retrospectacus>thanks felixs, I don't think it will work though
18:08<AYarter>well, if anyone can help me, let me know!
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18:14<inspiron>I'll try
18:14<inspiron>padski: I'll try
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18:15<AYarter>I've install libasound and alsa-base --a nd I still get no sound
18:15<inspiron>padski: however there is no reason why my module shouldn't compile - it compiled when I tried it against the kernel which I am running
18:15<AYarter>Worked just fine before I reformatted. blah
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18:16<old1>AYarter: Make sure it's not muted in `alsamixer`.
18:16<AYarter>nothing's muted, and everything's up
18:16<retrospectacus>AYarter: try everything in /msg dpkg alsa checklist ?
18:17<AYarter>I did.
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18:18<retrospectacus>7) does not work?
18:18<AYarter>It doesn't. It says playing, but I hear nothing
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18:20<AYarter>Oh, god.
18:20<retrospectacus>this machine I'm on has pulseaudio, not alsa
18:20<AYarter>Its fixed.
18:20<AYarter>You'll never guess the trouble :)
18:21<retrospectacus>speakers plugged into mic jack
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18:21<AYarter>The xterm that I was using somehow, someway was showing (OO) when it was Muted, and MM when it was on
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18:23<retrospectacus>very weird
18:23<AYarter>That would cause a lot of confusion, wouldn't it?
18:23<retrospectacus>I'll have to remember that one, just in case
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18:32<old1>AYarter: Do you have multiple sound cards? Like eg. embedded and PCI one.
18:32<AYarter>nope. Its all fixed now though
18:32<AYarter>It was my xterm, of all things
18:34<old1>AYarter: Sorry for the above, my connection has a large hiccup.
18:35<old1>AYarter: Check if it is reproducible after reboot. If it is I think It'd be good to file a bug.
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18:37<AYarter>old1:It has to do with the xterm I was logging in with via ssh, on a different machine
18:37<AYarter>I'm going to write that one off as Sun's fault.
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20:11<ebrahim>hi carlos
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20:13<carlos>would have the kindness, someone to guide me with installation of the drivers of the card graphic nvidia in debian?
20:14<Cygnus>carlos: there is a wiki article about that which is straight forward
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20:15<carlos>would give me the link, to watch?
20:15<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see . If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
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20:37<leo>Gnome 3 - Alguma novidade ?
20:37<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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21:21<Cygnus>abrotman: are hp device drivers for raid compatible with debian when using alien?
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21:21<abrotman>no idea, i don't have HP raid cards, but i'd imagine they're compiled against a certain kernel version
21:23<Cygnus>Smart Array B110i SATA RAID
21:24<Cygnus>abrotman: if you don't have the "device driver" for a raid card, the hw raid will not work and you would have two separate disk that are reached by the kernel right?
21:25<abrotman>is that a real raid controller?
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21:25<Cygnus>For what i have researched yes
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21:26<abrotman>if you do an lspci, what is the actual device name ?
21:26<Cygnus>abrotman: I have yet to pay the server to do that
21:27<Cygnus>no use
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21:28<Cygnus>abrotman: well never mind i'll keep on researching someon has to sell a server with hardware raid that is supported inside the kernel tree
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21:28<Cygnus>and not cost an arm and a leg
21:28<abrotman>Cygnus: i've had good luck with IBM, but the hardware is more expensive
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21:29<Cygnus>abrotman: I only need 4-6 GB ram, a quadcore preferably amd and hw raid. That is all.
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21:30<SynrG>this is really crazy-making. gnome (on squeeze) offers a file management config option to not perform any actions on media insertion, but for the life of me i can't find a way to disable automount.
21:30<abrotman>well, you'd hve to check their website
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21:31<abrotman>SynrG: did you look in the File Management Properties ?
21:31<SynrG>i've been over that hundreds of times
21:31<abrotman>or you're saying that just doesn't bring up the browser? but still actually mounts it?
21:31<Cygnus>Yes, I been at it the whole day. But some idiot thinks that if you need hw raid you also need an 8 core cpu and 16 Gb ram. Well i wouldn't mind but it is defenetly an overkill
21:31<SynrG>it still automounts to /media/whatever
21:31<SynrG>what's worse, when people logout, it remains mounted under their username
21:32<SynrG>the next user can't unmount it
21:32<abrotman>SynrG: you'll probably have to use gconf
21:32<SynrG>that's insane
21:32<abrotman>i agree
21:32<SynrG>i was poking through the gconf stuff just now
21:32<abrotman>quick google says
21:32<SynrG>there are three different controls with 'automount' in the name
21:32<abrotman>gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type bool --set /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/automount_media false
21:32<abrotman>gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type bool --set /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/automount_drives false
21:32<SynrG>i have to do this for every fricking user on the system?
21:32<SynrG>that's 7 users, at least
21:33<SynrG>no, 8
21:33<abrotman>it seems like tis' writing it to /etc/ ?
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21:33<abrotman>oh, no it's not
21:34<SynrG>what's the gconf.xml.mandatory about?
21:34<SynrG>oh, that's an input?
21:34<abrotman>well, on my squeeze box, that diretory is empty mostly
21:34<abrotman>though i barely understand gconf ..
21:34<Cygnus>SynrG: Long time i haven't used gnome but isn't Nautilus responsable for the automounting stuff?
21:35<abrotman>i see a few bugs about it also
21:35<abrotman>Cygnus: it would be, but it obeys gconf one would hope
21:36<Cygnus>hope <- that is one nice word concerning gnome
21:36<SynrG>abrotman: extremely obnoxious behaviour on a multiuser system. at its peak, there may be four desktop users logged in simultaneously. one on console and three in VNC
21:36<SynrG>even if the logout/disk remains mounted bug didn't exist ...
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21:36<SynrG>the VNC sessions are logged in more or less constantly
21:37<SynrG>anyway, i'll check out the gconf stuff tomorrow. thanks. that's the way i was headed anyway
21:37<SynrG>but it seemed so stupid, i couldn't believe that was the solution :)
21:37<abrotman>SynrG: it may or may not work, but lots of things are hidden in there
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21:38<abrotman>i'm amazed sometimes how much stuff is in there for which there is no GUI/clickable option
21:38<gamer>Hi, my Video DVD plays automatically when inserted, but nautilus opens when I double-click on the DVD's desktop icon. Debian Lenny + GNOME, anyone has a clue?
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21:39<abrotman>SynrG: is that one of your kids? :)
21:40<SynrG>abrotman: what are you referring to?
21:40<abrotman>the guy that just asked about automounting
21:40<abrotman>gamer: what would you like the double-click to do?
21:40<SynrG>ah, hehe
21:40<SynrG>totally didn't see that
21:40<gamer>abrotman: Play the Video DVD
21:40<abrotman>gamer: you can try to change the default action, right click and see if there's an optoin to change the Open With
21:41<gamer>abrotman: The "properties" panel recognizes the icon as "Folder"
21:41<gamer>if that helps
21:41<SynrG>well, off to bed. thanks again. will poke at it more tomorrow
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21:42<gamer>abrotman: I've been tinkering with Preferred Applications and Removable Medias commands for a while now
21:42<abrotman>does this mean i have to find a DVD ?
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21:43<gamer>abrotman: Well, I believe I can't force you to help me, just telling you what I've done up to now so to help you understand my problem
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21:46<abrotman>gamer: let me try to find one
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21:47<gamer>abrotman: Ok, thanks for your help :)
21:48<abrotman>well, it doesn't seem to want to play any DVD i own
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21:48<gamer>abrotman: You need to install libdvdcss2
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21:48<abrotman>oh come on .. seriously>
21:48<gamer>from a mirror
21:48<abrotman>this is why i have a tv :)
21:49<gamer>This computer is plugged IN my TV :p
21:49<dr|z3d>That is why I don't. TV! Pfft! So last century!
21:50*abrotman hopes that's all he needs
21:50<gamer>abrotman: Yup, that's all I needed to install myself at least
21:51<dr|z3d>Yeah, should be all you need. Might need to tweak some player settings, Not much more.
21:51<abrotman>that was so not worth it :)
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21:51<dr|z3d>regionset is occasionally needed. Not often, mind.
21:52<dr|z3d>!versions regionset
21:52<dr|z3d>,versions regionset
21:52<judd>regionset -- etch: 0.1-2; lenny: 0.1-3; sid: 0.1-3; squeeze: 0.1-3
21:52<abrotman>not for the ones i have
21:53<dr|z3d>Oh, and you may need other codecs for audio playback. Possibly.
21:53<dr|z3d>As for ripping, might I suggest WinFF.
21:54<abrotman>yeah .. you can stop now
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21:54*dr|z3d smirks.
21:54*noahfinity quirks!
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21:56<abrotman>gamer: though, when you double click and it opens the file browser, there is a blue bar that says "Open Movie Player"
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21:58<noahfinity>is apache2 compatible with php? i've been doing some searching and was curious if anyone else has dealt with Apache2 with PHP5 via aptitude... after installing the packages it gives some strange errors on this php website i have
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21:58<noahfinity>example: Warning: DOMDocument::load() [domdocument.load]: Empty string supplied as input in /var/www/htdocs/inc/Menu.class.php on line 17
21:59<gamer>abrotman: I don't get that bar
21:59<abrotman>on squeeze?
21:59<gamer>abrotman: Oh well, thanks for the help, but I think I'll just replace GNOME with KDE
21:59<gamer>abrotman: No, Lenny
22:00<abrotman>gamer: not sure if that will fix it, but if you think it will, don't let me stop you
22:00<abrotman>gamer: you might want to try #debian-gnome, though they're probably mostly sleeping right now
22:01<gamer>abrotman: Thanks, I might try that (or install a more recent version of GNOME)
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22:02<abrotman>gamer: i have squeeze, double click still opens a browser
22:02<genji>hello all. Ext3 - 4 snapshots... is there a howto somewhere, to do a full fs snapshot so i can do some upgrading of packages without worrying that i might break something, and not be able to get back?
22:03<gpm>genji: dd doesn't do what you need?
22:03<dr|z3d>genji: you might have a look at clonezilla if you want to clone an entire drive (and have a spare).
22:04<dr|z3d>dd should do what you need, though.
22:05<noahfinity>i wonder if i have to enable php in apache in some special way
22:05<noahfinity>still googling around
22:05<gamer>abrotman: Is testing's GNOME like the latest Ubuntu's GNOME or is it still graphically similar to Lenny (GNOME 2.20)
22:05<gamer>noahfinity: Like installing libapache2-mod-php ?
22:06<genji>what exactly is ext3 - 4 snapshots then?
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22:07<abrotman>gamer: more like ubuntu than lenny
22:07<noahfinity>gamer: perhaps
22:07<noahfinity>you would think aptitude would have that as a requirement when downloading apache2?
22:07<noahfinity>obviously not?
22:08<qq->was tcllib ?
22:08<noahfinity>gamer: i just checked and that package is installed
22:08<gamer>noahfinity: Not necessarily, I for one use libapache2-mod-python and doesn't have libapache2-mod-php installed
22:08<noahfinity>thanks for the guess tho
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22:11<gamer>noahfinity: Tried restarting apache?
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22:12<gamer>noahfinity: This might help:
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22:13<abrotman>it's libapache2-mod-php5
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22:13<genji>Okay, what if i don't have a spare drive laying around?
22:14<genji>how do i set up and use snapshots?
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22:14<dr|z3d>genji: No spare disc? clonezilla's not your tool.
22:15<genji>thats what i tried to say.
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22:16<gpm>too bad gmailfs isn't around anymore
22:17<noahfinity>Reloading web server config: apache2[Thu Jun 10 02:16:50 2010] [warn] module php5_module is already loaded, skipping
22:17<noahfinity>gam: thanks i will read that
22:18<noahfinity>abrotman: i'm using aptitude - that should suffice?
22:18<noahfinity>i added the php module in my httpd.conf and obviously it is already loaded
22:18<noahfinity>i wonder if this php is valid or meant for older versions
22:19<genji>additionally.. is there a method of snapshotting the entire fs.. then mounting that snapshot in a VM , to run the proposed updates and test that it still works?
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22:20<noah>genji: sounds like fun :P
22:20<noah>i think vm apps have import capabilities... hmm
22:21<genji>so.. question is... how to get the snapshot first?
22:21<genji>dd will grab the entire disk.. where I just need the used disk space.
22:23<genji>problem is... the snapshot wont include all files, if done at a user level, because of files in use.. needs to be done at a fs level.... ext3 or 4, yes?
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22:27<noah>definitely sounds like something that would be ran on a root/operating system account that has access.. not positive though
22:27<genji>and i have that.
22:27<genji>im the admin..
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22:27<noah>can you give a quick recap of what is going on
22:29<genji>found out that my work's debian systems are running old kernels and havent been updated in some considerable time. ones 2.6.26 still.... and a few files have successfully hit the 2gb limit.
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22:30<noah>and it sounds like you have limited resources?
22:30<jordanm_>genji: .26 is the current stable kernel
22:31<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.34-1-686 (2.6.34-1~experimental.2); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-22lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2)
22:31<noah>2gb always reminds me of fat16
22:31<genji>so.. id like to update the kernel and other things.. and bring the security up to scratch... but im worried that our perl scripts will break, because of library changes / new bugs that updating might cause.. so.. yeah... snapshot plus VM to test... then upgrade.. and if it broke.. i could just bring it back.
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22:31<noah>genji: great idea any way
22:32<jordanm_>genji: there is no need to upgrade the kernel
22:32<noah>i run debian servers for my new work too
22:32<jordanm_>unless you need drivers for hardware that was unsupported on .26
22:32<dpkg>[stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Lenny (5.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>).
22:32<noah>i'm using
22:33<jordanm_>fedora core!
22:33<noah>jordanm_: please elaborate
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22:34<noah>obviously you noticed something
22:34<genji>So.... how do i go about all this?
22:34<jordanm_>noah: fc8 sounds like fedora core 8, I believe the last version to still be called "fedora core", but they kept the fc abreviation
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22:34<genji>snapshot + vM?
22:34<noah>i'm running from an amazon elastic cloud predefined image
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22:35<jordanm_>genji: you can make a full system backup with rsync, will only need to edit menu.lst, fstab, and install grub
22:35<noah>Amazon EC2 Debian 5.0.1 lenny
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22:36<genji>will rsync take files in use too?
22:36<crichton>Is this the right place to ask for suspend-to-ram help on a mac mini ppc?
22:36<jordanm_>genji: bringing security up-to-date, as long as you have the security repos is just aptitude update; aptitude upgrade
22:37<noah>crichton: this is a linux based channel.. specifically Debian
22:37<crichton>noah: This is, of course, for a sid based install
22:37<jordanm_>genji: suppose so. I have restored from quite a few system rsync backups
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22:37<noah>mmarker: gotcha.. i apologize
22:38<jordanm_>genji: other option is to do a aptitude clone and then sync data
22:38<noah>my boss offered me a mac for my linux machine
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22:38<jordanm_>!tell genji about aptitude clone
22:38<noah>perhaps i should have took him up on that
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22:39<genji>so... rsync the entire fs into a directory... then mount that rsync'ed directroy inside a vm?
22:39<genji>or make a virtual hdd out of it?
22:39<noah>sounds like a plan...
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22:40<noah>the vm software Should be smart enough to deal with it
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22:40<genji>id have to run grub from within the vm to make it bootable right?
22:40<noah>isn't virtualization just lying to the software any way?
22:40<jordanm_>mmarker: have you already checked the bts?
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22:43<genji>anyway.... ext 4 snapshots.... how to?
22:44<mmarker>jordanm: nothing in bts jumps out at me.
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22:46<noah>maybe my problem is xsl with this apache/php issue
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22:46<jordanm_>genji: you do not have an existing backup and recovery plan?
22:47<jordanm_>mmarker: what is the issue?
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22:48<mmarker>jordanm: Specifically, I can't get the mini to suspend to ram. Been debugging up from s2ram in uwsusp.
22:48<mmarker>And I just started going through the kernel code, and I have a sinking suspicition that it wont suspend. Nuts.
22:49<genji>the usual gzips... should really have a raid system going but can't afford any downtime in creating it.. and can't really lease another machine at the datacenter (hostgator) to clone it all over, onto a raided system...
22:49<qq->was tcllib ?exittop
22:49<noah>xsl appears to be my issue
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22:50<noah>php-xls is installed
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22:51<genji>additionally.. to make things worse, the install at the datacenter and the install at the office.. they arn't the same version of OS. hostgator is more up to date...
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22:51<jordanm_>genji: hosting providers often give you something modified
22:52<jordanm_>depending on the vm software, you could even be using the host's kernel
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22:52<genji>nope... their normal os is centos.. but i needed debian... so our server is completely debian, straight out of the cd.
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23:14<genji>can rsync copy used files?
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23:16<kop>genji: Files in use? Sure.
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23:17<kop>genji: If it's a problem use lvm snapshots.
23:19<genji>kop: taking rsyncs of files in use is a good thing.
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