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---Logopened Mon Jun 21 00:00:35 2010
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00:13<FliesLikeABrick>has anyone here had issues with debian testing after installing some more recent updates? I'm now getting extremely slow NFS performance (it's a client), and errors such as lockd: cannot monitor in syslog
00:13<FliesLikeABrick>and statd errors saying the server's rpc.statd timedout
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00:14<FliesLikeABrick>this client-server pair have worked fine for months, but after updates and a reboot this happened
00:16<dondelelcaro>FliesLikeABrick: is rpc.statd running? is portmap listening on an appropriate port?
00:16<FliesLikeABrick>it appears that both of those are running fine
00:16<FliesLikeABrick>do you have additional ways to check that both are ok besides just verifying that they're running?
00:17<dondelelcaro>FliesLikeABrick: rpcinfo -p; will tell you if statd is registered
00:18<FliesLikeABrick>what should it be listed as? status or statd?
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00:19<FliesLikeABrick>I see 'status' listed
00:20<FliesLikeABrick>I see rpc.statd running as well
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00:56<hell_razer>hi, i have some problem with localization, i am using /etc/init.d/console-cyrrilic, i fave turned of /etc/init.d/console-setup. it works fine whe i manual start it, it works at boot - but when X starts its down and i need to restart it ; when i switch to tty7 (X) thats down too
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01:16<hell_razer>hi, i have some problem with localization, i am using /etc/init.d/console-cyrrilic, i fave turned of /etc/init.d/console-setup. it works fine whe i manual start it, it works at boot - but when X starts its down and i need to restart it ; when i switch to tty7 (X) thats down too
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01:57<something15525>hey anybody know why i'm getting "failed to create a file system" during debian install?
01:57<pavi>maybe bad sectors ?
01:58<blarson>something15525: check for error messages on the other consoles. (alt-f3, etc)
01:59<something15525>blarson how about this: partman: mkfs.ext3: /lib/ version "BLKID_2.17" not found (required by mkfs.ext3)
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02:01<gsimmons>something15525: Known issue (Debian bug #583551), which affects Debian Installer.
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02:02<something15525>gsimmons so....a daily build is really my only option because of the system i'm installing to: Asus EEE Pc 1005PE
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02:04<something15525>gsimmons any suggestions?
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02:05<something15525>has this bug been solved?
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02:08<something15525> sure is quiet in here
02:09<pavi>something15525, go to debian bugs site and look for the above given no
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02:17<something15525>okay, looked through the bug log, and there seems to be a workaround for instances of this problem on an updated system, can this be applied to my situation with attempting a fresh install?
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02:17<something15525>the workaround is replacing libblkid1_2.17.2-3 via wget and manually installing via dpkg =i
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02:22<blarson>something15525: I don't think you have wget that early in the install.
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02:22<something15525>thats what i thought
02:22<something15525>blarson so....whats the next step? lol
02:23<blarson>something15525: build a custom installer on your other debian system
02:24<something15525>thats the thing, i don't have another debian system
02:24<gsimmons>something15525: If you don't strictly require squeeze, you could use a Lenny installer to establish a base system, then manually install a backported kernel image package (/msg dpkg bpo) for support of your Ethernet and wireless LAN devices.
02:24<something15525>gsimmons: is squeeze required for eee pc machines?
02:27<gsimmons>something15525: I'm not aware of any hard requirement. AFAICT, your system needs the ath9k (from linux-2.6 2.6.32-9 or later) and atl1c drivers to be available.
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02:29<something15525>does the latest stable lenny build have that kernel and the drivers?
02:31<something15525>gsimmons: this says debian squeeze is recommended and that debian lenny will not work on newer eeepc models?
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02:36<hell_razer>hi, i have some problem with localization, i am using /etc/init.d/console-cyrrilic, i fave turned of /etc/init.d/console-setup. it works fine whe i manual start it, it works at boot - but when X starts its down and i need to restart it ; when i switch to tty7 (X) thats down too
02:36<gsimmons>something15525: Unless #debian-eeepc knows otherwise WRT the 1005PE, try it and see. No, the lenny installer doesn't contain/provide atl1c or ath9k, hence the backported kernel image suggestion.
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02:37<something15525>i will ask in that channel. thanks so much!
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02:37<st>why multimedia repository complains about invalid signature?
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02:46<something15525>well nobody is answering in the eeepc channel. guess i'll just try installing lenny?
02:47<something15525>gsimmons: can i just use the first disc from the lenny installer to install? do i need the other discs?
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02:48<gsimmons>something15525: The first disc (CD1) is sufficient for a base installation.
02:48<something15525> gsimmons thanks
02:49<something15525>5.0.4 is lenny, correct?
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02:50<gsimmons>That's right.
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03:21<chl2>how can i use sed to add a line (e.g. #!/bin/sh) to the first line of a file?
03:21<chl2>i try sed '1i\
03:21<chl2>#\/bin\/sh' file
03:22<chl2>but shell complains sed: can't read 1i\ #!/bin/bash: No such file or directory
03:22<chl2>what goes wrong as that's what i read from `man sed`
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03:25<locklace>chl2: echo '#!/bin/sh' | cat - file > newfile; mv newfile file
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03:25<jpinx-eeepc>locklace: i was going to do something like that, but he wants to use sed ...
03:26<locklace>people want to do all kinds of dumb things
03:26<jpinx-eeepc>too true - and there are many ways to skin a cat ;)
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03:29<chl2>locklace: thanks for that suggestion.
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03:30<something15525>hi i'm having a problem with the latest squeeze build on a Asus EEE PC 1005PE. Should i just install lenny?
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03:35<jmm>chl2: with sed you could use something like sed -i '1s/^/something/g' file
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03:37<jmm>( something should include \n if you want a new line at the beginning btw ).
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03:40<chl2>my sed seems doesn't support -i
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03:40<chl2>i try sed -i '1s/^/binsh/g' file
03:40<chl2>nothing return
03:45<jmm>chl2: -i change the file . you need sed >4 to do it.
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03:45<jmm>you can remove it, and see the result on stdout.
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03:48<jmm>chl2: btw to add the prompt you need something like : sed '1s,^,#!/bin/sh\n,g'
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03:48<chl2>jmm: I noticed that the reason why it doesn't work seemly because i have other filter preceded before the -i command
03:49<chl2>e.g. sed '1s/^/binsh/g' /tmp/x
03:49<chl2>this would work
03:49<chl2>but i have other filter sed -e '/^#/d' -e '/ # /d' -e 's/ #.*$//' '1s/^/binsh\n/g' /tmp/x
03:49<chl2>that one doesn't work.
03:49<chl2>the second one would always complains can't read file e.g. binsh
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03:50<chl2>seems like shell interprets it as command?
03:51<jmm>don't you miss a -e before the '1s/blahblah part ?
03:52<chl2>jmm: that works now.
03:52<jmm>heh ;)
03:52<chl2>thank you very much: )
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03:54<something15525>anybody know anything about bug #583551 and how to fix the problem on a daily squeeze build?
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04:56<dotnet>how to install flash player on ubuntu ultimate edition 7.10
04:56<cthuluh>dpkg: tell dotnet about ubuntu
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04:57<cthuluh>hmmm, I don't remember how does dpkg works
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04:58<cthuluh>dotnet: anyway, you have #ubuntu channels on freenode
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04:58<dotnet>if i stall ! the lippango1.0-0 error
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05:00<munky>hi, is it possible use tcpdump to sniff from internet?
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05:54<rudi_s>cthuluh: It's !tell ...
05:55<cthuluh>ok, thanks rudi_s
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06:21<Pragat>i have a USB printer connected to a machine running Lenny
06:21<Pragat>this machine is on a LAN
06:22<Pragat>i am trying to find a way to share this printer with other Debian boxes in the LAN
06:24<Pragat>i am using debian linux......
06:24<Pragat>what are the steps for configure CUPS or any link
06:24<cthuluh>did you read this?
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07:11<bremner>docbook2odf isn't working for me (bug submitted). Any suggestions for alternative ways to transform docbook to odt?
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07:16<rorri>i got an odd problem where new windows aren't given focus; such that when i click on a icon the new window i'm expecting to get focus doesn't
07:17<lamothe>rorri, running compiz?
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07:21<Wooga>where i can get i686-pc-linux-gnu-* compilers for my amd64 squeeze in order to cross-compile for i386?
07:21<rorri>:/ i just found a forum post in which someone asked exactly for what i'm getting ._.
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07:35<brrrt>hi all
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07:41<bremner>Wooga: a simple way would be to set up an i386 chroot using schroot
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07:42<Wooga>bremner: i need cross-compilation for distcc
07:42<brrrt> /msg dpkg sid
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07:42<bremner>Wooga: no idea about distcc.
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07:43<Wooga>i just have to obtain somehow i686-* set of compilators
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07:46<Wooga>aha, i think i found what i wanted:
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07:52<rorri>yes, bug #515577 fits more rightly as i do use alway on top windows a bit
07:55<rorri>guess i'll check if the focus control code checks on the existence of always on top windows
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08:02<Excessum>n #Twisted-fate
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08:11<rorri>mmm, it works fine if there is no always on top windows but it fails to focus new ones when there is
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08:11<rorri>so how does metacity have the existence of an always on top window mess with the others
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08:17<rorri>and oddly why can't gedit have a file open twice; it's oh so useful to see two different parts at once
08:18<felixs>rorri: use a text editor. as an example vim can open files readonly, and as often as you like
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08:19<bremner>can anyone else correctly open this docbook xml with oowriter? It imports as preformatted text for me in squeeze.
08:20<felixs>rorri: or, if you dont want need to edit, use a pager. like less or more
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08:21<bremner>that's all very well, but perhaps someone knows if gedit has the feature he wants...
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08:22<rorri>well, it does but unlike all the other better ones it doesn't have multiple views of the same buffer
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08:27<rorri>oddly i prefer something like notepad as an editor, which gedit is most like, although i used jedit for a while
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08:31<rorri>which has exactly that
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08:41<rorri>ah i think i found the source of bug #551577; window_would_be_covered only returns true when a always on top window exists and in meta_window_show that causes new not placed windows to be denied_focus_and_not_transient
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08:46<rorri>i think i can fix it by only commenting out 3 lines in meta_window_show
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08:46<rorri>both of which set window->denied_focus_and_not_transient = TRUE
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08:53<rorri>mmm, now after commenting out those lines it only doesn't take focus away from always on top windows
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09:02<rafii>I´ve a question for you
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09:04<cthuluh>!tell rafii about ask
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09:07<rafii>is that my computer is locked and I don´t know unlocket
09:07<rafii>do you understand?
09:08<eightyeight>type in your password
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09:17<jmm>sup rafii .
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09:19<rafii>how is meand sup?
09:19<jmm>this just mean 'what's going on'.
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09:21<rorri>oh great i think i found the real problem in metacity where it says meta_window_stack_just_below it really needs to say meta_window_stack_just_above
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09:25<rorri>no that would just be silly as the only windows normal ones shouldn't be above is always on top ones
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09:33<rorri>oh my i got it down to commenting out one line
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09:35<rorri>commenting out line 2091 in metacity 1.22 fixes bug #551577; 2019: /*needs_stacking_adjustment = TRUE;*/
09:35<rorri>that's in src/core/window.c
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09:38<saucepan>quién es Raffi??
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09:38<saucepan>gaffa??? quien es??
09:38<gaffa>hvad siger du?
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09:41<rorri>well, i just found a fix for #551577 but i'm sure it breaks something that was meant to be useful
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09:59<rorri>well, it'll just be another package i've locally modified, i did this to gnome panel as they were silly and hard coded the places menu's limit of items to a overly small value
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10:17<semuser>Hello! Can someone help me configure apache2 and mod_auth_mysql? I keep getting "user not found", and apache is not even connecting to the database
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11:02<gmvjgc>k tal??
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11:02<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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11:02<idul>how do i download from contrib?
11:02<gmvjgc>k me estas kontando
11:03<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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11:03<idul>!slap | gmvjgc
11:03*dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across | gmvjgc's face
11:04<gmvjgc>k dies
11:05<gmvjgc>je je
11:05<@Ganneff>gmvjgc: speak english
11:05<@Ganneff>idul: modify your etc/apt/sources.list
11:05-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*gmvjgc@83.230.207.*] by Ganneff
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11:08<idul>Ganneff: what do i add in there?
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11:09<idul>never mind
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11:35<timothy>I updated the squeeze and X does not work - how can I fix it ?
11:35<idul>need help setting up minicom to talk to a usb serial device that im trying to install gnu/linux on. the device is on ttyusb0 and i have told minicom to use that, but miicom status shows the connection as offline
11:35<cthuluh>try mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf{,.bak}
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12:00<Guest693>hey guys ... how can i make my system up to date /
12:00<kop>idul: Probably in the hardware handshaking. Although isn't it ttyUSB0, not ttyusb0?
12:01<kop>Guest693: What version of debian?
12:01<Guest693>lenny 5.0.1
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12:01<kop>Guest693: Just "aptitude update ; aptitude upgrade" should do it.
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12:02<kop>Guest693: You should be doing this fairly often to get security updates anyway.
12:02<Guest693>kop , ok
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12:02<Guest693>kop , can i upgrade to 5.0.4
12:02<kop>Guest693: You'll probably be installing a new kernel so you'll need a reboot.
12:02<idul>kop: you are correct, but my pinky just couldn't find the shift key
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12:03<kop>idul: Try turning off hardware flow control, or other stuff like that.
12:03<kop>Guest693: That will update you to what's current.
12:03<kop>Guest693: (Current lenny that is.)
12:04<idul>kop: thanks for the tip i'll give it a look
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12:06<Guest693>kop ... it says in the upgrade .."The following packages are RECOMMENDED but will NOT be installed:" ... how can i install them ?
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12:08<FliesLikeABrick>Guest693: there's an option to apt to that says "install recommends"
12:08<kop>Guest693: That's kinda odd. I thought apt installed recommended packages by default these days.
12:08<FliesLikeABrick>I don't know it offhand, so unfortunately I have to say rtfm
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12:08<FliesLikeABrick>yeah kop I thought so to (it's not something I'm a fan of)
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12:09<kop>Guest693: You could use -r with aptitude upgrade.
12:09<kop>FliesLikeABrick: Yes and no. Disk is cheap these days so....
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12:13<boboysdadda>morning all. i'm trying to install beta nvidia drivers in squeeze its telling me i can't do it while running in x. how do i get out of x
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12:18<Jarlaxe>hi guys, i have a config pb on a squeeze dual boot with XP. until a late install of debian, everything was ok. Now, if i reinstall the mbr to allow XP (and update-grub), grub is "forgotten" and XP boot directly. If i dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc (and update), squeeze can boot, but XP is not in the list anymore. Any idea ?
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12:18<idul>kop: thanks man, it worked like a charm!
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12:33<valdyn>Jarlaxe: /etc/grub.d/ contains a windows boot entry for you to modify
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12:35<Jarlaxe>valdyn: thx, i see if i can manage those files
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14:29<pietr>hello, I'm new to linux... I need a simple backup script, that will compress all subdirectories individually a in given directory. Create zip archives specified directory. Can someone please consult/provide the script?
14:30<jpinx-eeepc>pietr: rsync will probably do what you need
14:30<weasel>for i in *; do if [ -d "$i" ] ; then tar czf "$i".tar.gz "$i"; fi; done ?
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14:31<pietr>jpinx-eeepc: I'll look into it
14:31<pietr>weasel: tar.gz is zip?
14:32<jordanm>pietr: IMO you should search the archives for backup software. something like rsnapshot (like rsync without the need to write your own scripts) or backuppc
14:32<weasel>no, it's tar.
14:32<Urso-SP>pietr: you can
14:32<Urso-SP>change tar for zip -r
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14:33<pietr>jordanm: ok, I'll look for som
14:33<pietr>Urso-SP: how to specify the output directory?
14:33<BonZo>how long it takes to start gnome on your systems?
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14:34<jordanm>much longer on my testing/unstable installs than my stable one...
14:34<BonZo>here takes about 1 minute (squeeze + gnome 2.30)
14:34<BonZo>it's a long time...
14:35<dr|z3d>If gnome feels clunky, try Xfce.
14:35<Urso-SP>pietr: by default it it the local directory
14:35<Urso-SP>you can put the output directory in front of "$i"
14:35<jordanm>yep... I spent a few days trying to troubleshoot so I can make a valid bug report... but I never came up with anything I thought would make a helpful bug report
14:35<Urso-SP>bbl (5mins)
14:36<jordanm>bootchart did show it was almost entirely IO "wait" time
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14:37<BonZo>dr|z3d: i have triede avery DE, gnome works well and is fast enough, the only problem is startup time...
14:37<pietr>Urso-SP: thank you, I'll go play with it now :-)
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14:38<dr|z3d>BonZo: Xfce's close enough to gnome in look and feel that you likely won't much notice the difference, other than the lack of bloat. :) Your call.
14:38*jordanm also recommends XFCE
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14:39<oddtod>how would i upgrade the version of opengl i have on my computer or is it dependant on the card i have?
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14:40<Guest713>hey guys ... how can i check if my system is up to date or not
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14:40<BonZo>dr|z3d: i prefer lxde to xfce, but i would lite to go with a more complete DE
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14:40<Pitxyoki>Guest227, do you prefer command-line or GUI?
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14:41<locklace>!start a desktop war
14:41<dpkg>Why even install X?
14:41<retrospectacus>Guest713: apt-get update; apt-get upgrade - see if there is any packages it wants to upgrade
14:41<BonZo>and i prefer KDE to gnome, but currently it does non work well in squeeze
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14:41<jordanm>!tell retrospectacus about why aptitude
14:41<dr|z3d>BonZo: Yikes. LXDE is half-baked in terms of looks.. not a natural progression from Gnome at all.
14:41<Guest713>retrospectacus , done all that ... but i feel that i still have debian 5.0.1
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14:42<jordanm>dr|z3d: I think knoppix does lxde quite well... I thought it was xfce at first...
14:42<BonZo>dr|z3d: why you prefer xfce to gnome?
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14:43<dr|z3d>BonZo: Less bloat, more speed.
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14:43<BonZo>However the main DEs for Linux are becoming too heavy
14:44<BonZo>at least for my PC that is 5 years old :|
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14:44<retrospectacus>jordanm: I prefer apt-get. Less bloat, more speed :) If I run into dependency resolution problems I might try aptitude
14:44<jordanm>retrospectacus: thats fine, but that doesn't mean you should recommend it to others
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14:48<BonZo>ok, I'll look at xfce-projects to install as many native applications as i can and remove as much gnome as possible
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14:50<pietr>Hello. I have a script how do I run it regardless of current directory. by typing e.g. : backup /home/peter /mnt/backup . ?
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14:51<retrospectacus>pietr: /home/peter/scripts/ /home/peter /mnt/backup
14:51<dkr>pietr: put it somewhere in your path
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14:51<retrospectacus>pietr: or you can put it in $PATH - copy it to /usr/local/bin e.g.
14:51<dkr>or add the dir it is in to your path
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14:52<pietr>will alias work?
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14:52<retrospectacus>one option is to create you a ~/bin directory and add that to your PATH
14:53<retrospectacus>alias would work...
14:53<retrospectacus>but not if you run it with a cronjob which you would probably want to
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14:54<pietr>retrospectacus: good point
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14:54<pietr>retrospectacus: so how to do it with cron?
14:54<pietr>retrospectacus: I mean where do i need to put the script?
14:55<retrospectacus>doesn't matter. Just put the full path in the crontab line
14:55<pietr>ok, thanx
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14:56<felixs>pietr: why not put the whole script into /etc/cron.daily/weekly? there's no need to fiddle with PATH
14:57<felixs>where the slash between daily and weekly means either, or
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14:58<pietr>felixs: well I need to run it with arguments for the input and output directory
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15:00<felixs>pietr: its only a backup. just hardwire them :)
15:01<retrospectacus>pietr: just put a wrapper script in there
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15:04<pietr>ok, thank you fellas
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15:23<Rapsodius>How do I make a screenshot?
15:23<Web-sidux152mmm>I'm using can I install non-free repo?
15:24<Rapsodius>I searched but only answer is "on kde you have kscreenshot and on gnome blah blah"
15:24<retrospectacus>Rapsodius: press the PrintScreen button on your keyboard
15:24<musca>Web-sidux152mmm: /join #sidux
15:24<Rapsodius>I don't have GNOME
15:24<malkav>also works in k4
15:24<Rapsodius>that keybinding works only on GNOME retrospectacus
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15:24<Rapsodius>and I don't have KDE...
15:24<Rapsodius>I have LXDE
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15:25<felixs>Rapsodius: sleep 3; /usr/bin/import -window root /tmp/screenshot.png
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15:25<Rapsodius>import: not found
15:25<felixs>Rapsodius: imagemagick
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15:25<smv>PrintScreen should work. the problem might be that there is no application to handle that. LXDE should have one.
15:26<Rapsodius>imagemagick: not found
15:26<felixs>Rapsodius: apt-get install imagemacgick
15:26<Rapsodius>ahh!! me it was the package name
15:26<retrospectacus>Rapsodius: install and use scrot
15:26<felixs>(no, i dont recommend aptitude)
15:27<Rapsodius>and why not aptitude?
15:27<felixs>Rapsodius: because apt-get works fine :)
15:27<ml|>!why aptitude
15:27<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>).
15:27<retrospectacus>!why not aptitude
15:27<dpkg>Many never use the curses-based frontend but it is still in the binary, and it is more memory intensive and slower than apt-get. Now that many features of aptitude are also in libapt and used by apt-get as well, the differences between the two have reduced. Aptitude is still the easiest way of working your way out of tight spots when running sid or upgrading between releases, however. Ask me about <why aptitude>.
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15:28<Rapsodius>lol that was funny
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15:28<Rapsodius>why scrot depends on id3tag lib? anyways going for it
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15:31<oddtod>how would i upgrade the version of opengl i have on my computer or is it Dependant on the card i have?
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15:32<Rapsodius>sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude full-upgrade
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15:33<dpkg>hmm... backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), . Ask me about <> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
15:33<Lantizia>Hey does anyone know how the installer automatically calculate what swap to create? (i.e. if you have 512mb RAM and leave it to automatically partition the hdd then you get 1.5gb - is it 3xRAM or more complex?)
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15:42<boboysdadda>can someone please help me get control of runlevels. I want to be able to switch between runlevels and boot into a runlevel that starts with nothing but term
15:43<chealer>no, why not aptitude is <reply>although this has improved, aptitude still duplicates some of APT/dpkg's features. It also has many more frontend-specific bugs. Despite the slogan, it is quite heavy, in part due to the mix of several front-ends in a single binary package and duplication. The curses-based frontend is more memory intensive and slower than apt-get.
15:43<chealer>dpkg: no, why not aptitude is <reply>although this has improved, aptitude still duplicates some of APT/dpkg's features. It also has many more frontend-specific bugs. Despite the slogan, it is quite heavy, in part due to the mix of several front-ends in a single binary package and duplication. The curses-based frontend is more memory intensive and slower than apt-get.
15:43<dpkg>I think you lost me on that one, chealer
15:43<eightyeight>boboysdadda: debian uses runlevels 2-5 as the same
15:44<boboysdadda>eightyeight, yeah i read that. i would like to change runlevel 3 to not start KDE so i have all the major services running but no xserver
15:44<eightyeight>boboysdadda: if you want to have one runlevel without X and one with X, chen install sysv-rc-conf, and tell X to not start on a specific level
15:44<eightyeight>boboysdadda: so, you wont 2 running with X and 3 without X?
15:44<boboysdadda>i installed that once and i couldn't get it to work at all. none of the commands in the man would work
15:45<boboysdadda>yes thats what i'm after
15:45<eightyeight>sysv-rc-conf --list will show you all init scripts, and the levels they're configured to run on
15:45<boboysdadda>k one sec i'm installing it again
15:46<chealer>hum, what's wrong with dpkg?
15:46<boboysdadda>it tells me command not found
15:46<boboysdadda>ah must be root for it to be found
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15:47<chealer>oddtod: OpenGL is a standard, you don't have it on your computer.
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15:49<e>Ciao a tutti
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15:49<twiggz>bug in rkhunter just told me i was infected with xzibit rootkit.
15:49<twiggz>false positives! blah.
15:50<e>ho un problema con l'audio
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15:50<e>uso un toshiba a120 con ubuntu 10.04
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15:51<e>ho provato ad reinstallare le lib alsa ma nulla da fare
15:51<chealer>no, why not aptitude is <reply>Although this has improved, aptitude still duplicates some of APT/dpkgss features. It also has many more frontend-specific bugs. Despite the slogan, it is quite heavy, in part due to the mix of several front-ends in a single binary package and duplication. The curses-based frontend is more memory intensive and slower than apt-get.
15:51<chealer>dpkg: no, why not aptitude is <reply>Although this has improved, aptitude still duplicates some of APT/dpkgss features. It also has many more frontend-specific bugs. Despite the slogan, it is quite heavy, in part due to the mix of several front-ends in a single binary package and duplication. The curses-based frontend is more memory intensive and slower than apt-get.
15:51<dpkg>chealer: i already had it that way
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15:51<dpkg>Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en Ahi recibira mas soporte.
15:51<chealer>dpkg: no, why not aptitude is <reply>Although this has improved, aptitude still duplicates some of APT/dpkg's features. It also has many more frontend-specific bugs. Despite the slogan, it is quite heavy, in part due to the mix of several front-ends in a single binary package and duplication. The curses-based frontend is more memory intensive and slower than apt-get.
15:51<dpkg>chealer: what are you talking about?
15:51<chealer>that's odd
15:52<boboysdadda>eightyeight, ok edited it wrong and killed kdm some how
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15:53<boboysdadda>eightyeight, i'm not seeing a save command for sysv-rc-conf am i blind or once u have it edited how u want quit will save automatically
15:53<oddtod>chealer; i have it on my computer its version 1.3 and i need 1.4 to support 3d graphics in vmware
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15:55<chealer>oddtod: what makes you think so?
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15:57<oddtod>when i do a glxinfo it says server glx version string: 1.2
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15:57<eightyeight>boboysdadda: there is no save command
15:57<boboysdadda>ok ty
15:57<oddtod>chealer: server glx version string: 1.2 i sthe glxinfo output.
15:58<eightyeight>boboysdadda: if you 'sysv-rc-conf ssh off', it automatically renames the init scripts
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15:58<boboysdadda>alright then i should have all my settings done. gonna reboot and see if this does what i want. be back in a bit
15:58<oddtod>chealer: i have been reading about opengl 1.4 being needed i know i can't run 3d graphics card in vmware.
15:58<eightyeight>no need to reboot
15:58<boboysdadda>what does that do?
15:58<eightyeight>boboysdadda: just switch run levels
15:58<eightyeight>boboysdadda: this isn't windows. :)
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15:59<boboysdadda>well i didn't put a stop command in just a do not start command
15:59<jordanm>oddtod: I recall reading something about 3d acceleration support being added to vmware guests. vbox has it now but only for windows guests
15:59<eightyeight>boboysdadda: what command did you execute?
15:59<boboysdadda>sys-rc-conf then removed the x for kdm in runlevel3
15:59<jordanm>boboysdadda: if that is the case, (remove the links, not replaced with stops), it will be re-added upon upgrade of the package. its explained a bit in the update-rc.d manpage
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16:00<oddtod>jordanm: yeah i know it supports it be i think my graphics card has to have a certain version of opengl and my card is supported in opengl 2.0 for iwndows but i know linux's versioning is slightly diffeerent
16:00<eightyeight>boboysdadda: sysv-rc-conf --level 2 kdm off
16:00<chealer>oddtod: GLX is not OpenGL, although it is related.
16:00<eightyeight>boboysdadda: that's what you should have ran
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16:01<meowcats>yay compile my own kernel!
16:01<eightyeight>boboysdadda: or whatever level you want kdm off ( i think it was 3)
16:01<boboysdadda>k thanks
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16:02<oddtod>chealer: so is OpenGL in the card's drivers or is it an additional package?
16:02<boboysdadda>ok so i used telinit 3 to switch to the runlevel without kdm but it didn't stop the service. which is what i'm trying to get it to do is automatically stop the service when i switch runlevels and when i boot it boots without kdm to just term
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16:03<cobra-the-joker>hey guys ..... how can i know my uid ?
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16:03<jordanm>cobra-the-joker: echo $UID
16:03<eightyeight>boboysdadda: look in /etc/rc3.d/. what is the name of the kdm file? does it start with K or S?
16:03<eightyeight>boboysdadda: can you verify it's 'off' with 'sysv-rc-conf --list kdm'?
16:03<oddtod>chealer: would mesa gl be the better way for me to go if i don't care about performance all that much?
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16:04<boboysdadda>yes its off
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16:06<boboysdadda>the file in /etc/rc3.d is K01kdm
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16:06<boboysdadda>that means its the first to be killed right?
16:06<eightyeight>it will be killed when switching to that runlevel
16:07<boboysdadda>i'm on that runlevel right now
16:07<chealer>oddtod: it depends. Mesa is a generic software implementation. The card's drivers can implement OpenGL too.
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16:08<boboysdadda>alright i'm going to see if it atleast boots without starting kdm
16:08<chealer>oddtod: the difference between software and hardware renderings is huge, so it really depends what you mean by "not caring all that much"
16:09<eightyeight>boboysdadda: is 3 your default runlevel?
16:09<boboysdadda>i can always ctrl-alt-f1 out of it later after i startx the boot is the biggest thing i want
16:09<boboysdadda>yes it is
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16:14<cyrus1>hello guys
16:14<cyrus1>i got a problem with mounting my external hdd
16:14<boboysdadda>ok it works the way i expected
16:15<boboysdadda>now can i telinit X in the command prompt of grub to select the runlevel it boots as
16:15<cyrus1>as i try to mount it it gives me the "mount_point cannot contain"-error... i'm helpless right now
16:16<boboysdadda>cyrus1, how long is the whole error message?
16:16<Texou>Hey :D
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16:17<cyrus1>"mount_point cannot contain the following characters: newline, G_DIR_SEPARATOR (usually /)"
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16:17<boboysdadda>what is the name u have on the external HDD?
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16:18<boboysdadda>ok that doesn't contain a restricted character. sorry i'm lost now
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16:19<felixs>boboysdadda: did you forget the question mark? you want to append "init=/sbin/init X" iirc
16:19<kop>cyrus1: What is your mount command?
16:20<cyrus1>well actually i did a dumb thing, i gotta say that too. i used linux mint before but didnt unmount it. now debian is installed and mint doesnt work anymore
16:20<cyrus1>well thats the other problem, i dont know how to find out my /dev/ for that thing
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16:21<kop>cyrus1: What are you doing that "tries to mount"?
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16:22<cyrus1>the usual automount and mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/HalExt
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16:22<boboysdadda>felixs, i guess i did. so just enter that command in grub command prompt to select the runlevel i want to boot in? where X equals the runlevel of course
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16:23<mazze>wodim does not seem to have a dvd+r(w) driver available on my squeeze system. How can I burn a DVD+R?
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16:24<will>use the dvd+rw-tools
16:25<mazze>will I installed the package already, but I don't know how to burn my iso to the empty DVD+R without wodim.
16:26<will>man growisofs
16:26<cyrus1>damn thing >.<
16:26<qq->mazze, try brasero
16:26<will>man dvd+rw-mediainfo
16:26<felixs>boboysdadda: its worth a try, maybe you might replace "init=/sbin/init X" by just "X"
16:26<will>man dvd+rw-format
16:27<mazze>will thanks, will, I don't need to know every manpage in that package.
16:27<mazze>will I actually read them, but I still did not understand how to burn an .iso to the DVD+R.
16:27<boboysdadda>k felixs thanks i'll try it in a bit gotta run for a few. i'll let u know what i come up with
16:27<will>that's only the major man you need to know if you want to burn DVD+R
16:27<cyrus1>anyone ideas what i can do to mount it?
16:28<mazze>qq- thanks for the hint, but just that is my problem: brasero is not able to do it, it exits with an error ...
16:28<qq->change the dvd-r disk
16:29<will>growisofs will burn your ISO image
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16:30<mazze>qq- you mean, I should switch to DVD-R instead of DVD+R?
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16:30<will>growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd=image.iso
16:30<will>It depends on your taste
16:30<mazze>will thanks for the hint; I will dig a bit further into the manpage and try it :)
16:31<will>I prefer DVD-R but some prefer +R
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16:32<will>DVD-R was the first recordable DVD on the market
16:33<will>it could be more compatible
16:33<mazze>will I read the manpage and understood now the "premastered image"-thing :D
16:33<mazze>will and I tried it with growisofs, as you suggested, but I got the same error again as when using brasero:
16:33<mazze>:-[ WRITE@LBA=210h failed with SK=3h/NO SEEK COMPLETE]: Input/output error
16:33<cesc>hi everyone. Just installed Ubuntu. For you guys, that have been using ubuntu for a while.. which apps would you highly recommend me to install? Which apps are worth installing? Just say 3 o 4 each of you.
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16:34<mazze>will quite at the beginning of the process
16:34<will>cesc: #ubuntu
16:34<cobra-the-joker>hey guys .... how can i change the gdm theme ?
16:34<will>we support Debian only here
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16:34<cesc>ok will go there then.. thanks
16:35<mazze>will I think, I wanted to try to do it with cdrecord/wodim, and I read on an older manpage of wodim on the web that there is a driver for dvd+r -- but it is not here on my installed wodim ...
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16:36<mazze>will heck, the driver is even mentioned in my installed english wodim manpage!
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16:37<will>I already got your error message one day but I forget how did i resolve it
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16:38<mazze>will thats bad luck ... :(
16:38<will>It was on Sarge IIRC
16:38<qq->will, ;-(
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16:39<cyrus1>guys? can anyone help me with mounting my external hdd?
16:39<mazze>cyrus1 how far did you reach?
16:39<will>mazze can you try growisofs in root?
16:40<qq->dpkg, usb mount
16:40<dpkg>somebody said usbmount was a script to automatically mount/umount USB drives as they are inserted/removed: ; aptitude install usbmount; does not support <vfat> filesystems by default. Read /usr/share/doc/usbmount/README for the reason and amend /etc/usbmount/usbmount.conf to enable. Also ask about <pmount>.
16:40<cyrus1>well its connected and shows up but thats it. if i try to mount it, it says "mount_point cannot contain the following characters: newline, G_DIR_SEPARATOR (usually /)"
16:41<mazze>cyrus1 so, what _is_ your mountpoint?
16:41<cyrus1>you mean the name of the hdd?
16:41<will>I know what the message means
16:41<will>It means your DVD isn't writable
16:41<mazze>will as root, I get now :-? resuming track#1 from LBA#240, and then :-[ WRITE@LBA=f0h failed with SK=3h/WRITE ERROR]: Input/output error very fast ...
16:42<will>forget the root
16:42<will>change your DVD
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16:42<mazze>will okay ... but it is already the second one I messed up now ...
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16:42<will>cheap cakebox?
16:42<qq->mazze, buy only RW
16:42<cyrus1>mazze you mean the name of the hdd?
16:43<mazze>cyrus1 no. What command do you try to mount the device?
16:43<mazze>qq- you are right, I should have ... :(
16:43<cyrus1>its the automount-system
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16:44<mazze>cyrus1 sorry then, I used the automounter not since ages ...
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16:44<mazze>cyrus1 but I may be able to mount your device manually, if this helps ...
16:45<cyrus1>yes it would
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16:45<mazze>will I unpacked a fresh DVD+R (I did not have any RW), and I still get (as root) :-[ WRITE@LBA=210h failed with SK=3h/NO SEEK COMPLETE]: Input/output error
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16:45<mazze>after a couple of 1081344/3531984896 ( 0.0%) @0.0x, remaining 2448:58 RBU 100.0% UBU 100.0%
16:45<mazze>cyrus1 is your device connected per USB?
16:45<qq->mazze, on lenny machine ?
16:46<mazze>qq- no, squeeze
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16:46<cyrus1>and also turned on
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16:47<mazze>cyrus1 then try to find out the device name, maybe with dmesg | tail -n20
16:48<will>mazze: what's the brand of your DVD+R?
16:48<cyrus1>sdb1 >.<
16:48<mazze>will verbatim, lightscribe compatible
16:48<mazze>cyrus1 so, maybe "mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt" should do the trick
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16:49<will>I'm almost sure I had the same message with crappy CD-R
16:49<cyrus1>it dissappeared and told me i dont have the rights to watch that
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16:50<qq->!tell cyrus1 about ntfs-3g
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16:50<will>in a hundred pack
16:50<mazze>will I have CD-R here, and as this is a new laptop, this is the first time I ever tried to use the burner ...
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16:50<boboysdadda>felixs, didn't work but owell. i have no problem with logging into the term the su and telinit. if anything it will keep the idiots i work with from screwing with my computer
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16:51<mazze>cyrus1 so do it as root (or with sudo)
16:51<cyrus1>did already... dissappeared anyways
16:51<mazze>will these came in a 10-pack in jewel cases ...
16:51<boboysdadda>now i'm noticing another problem though. mysql fails on boot. any ideas anyone?
16:51<will>mazze: Buy a pack of DVD-RW
16:52<mazze>cyrus1 what do you mean by "disappeared"? You mean, the command terminated without any output? That would be expected ...
16:52<mazze>will :) I knew you would say that ...
16:52<cyrus1>first that, second it doesnt show up at "computer" anymore
16:52<will>because it's very useful for upgrading
16:52<will>instead of burning a lot of DVD+R
16:53<mazze>will I normally do just everything with USB now (installing, upgrading ...).
16:53<felixs>boboysdadda: you tried init=/sbin/init 3?
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16:53<mazze>will But this time I needed to produce a bunch of video-DVDs of a self-made film for my co-students at university ...
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16:54<will>For DVD-players?
16:54<cyrus1>"content cannot be shown. you dont have the neccessary rights to view this content"
16:54<mazze>will yes.
16:54<boboysdadda>yes felixs that is exactly what i entered
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16:54<will>+R compatible?
16:55<mazze>will ?
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16:55<will>because DVD-Video != DVD+R
16:55<mazze>will I did not think about that. Just DVD-players ...
16:55<mazze>cyrus1 so, "mount | grep sdb1" does not give anything?
16:56<mazze>will So what do I have to do to burn most compliant DVD-Video?
16:56<will>DVD players are DVD-Video compatible but current DVD players are often DVD+|-R compatible
16:56<boboysdadda>whats the command in apt-get to reinstall?
16:57<dr|z3d>mazze: Use brasero.. it'll create a dvd-playable disk for you.
16:57<will>old DVD players may not be compatible with +|-
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16:57<dr|z3d>In essence you want to ensure your video's encoded as MPEG2.
16:57<felixs>boboysdadda: interesting, wait a minute ill try to figure out.
16:57<dr|z3d>Or let Brasero convert.
16:57<felixs>boboysdadda: --reinstall
16:57<cyrus1>/dev/sdb1 on /mnt type ntfs (rw)
16:57<mazze>will okay, but then I cannot create any DVD for these old players, can I?
16:57<cyrus1>was the output
16:58<dr|z3d>As long as you burn to DVD-R, you should be able to cater to most players.
16:58<mazze>cyrus1 so, you did the mount, and it worked! Just go to /mnt, and you should have access to your data!
16:58<will>you can't with DVD writer
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16:58<will>you need to look for pressed DVDs
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16:59<boboysdadda>felixs, had to figure out the order of it but thanks
16:59<cyrus1>yes... with the exception i still cant access anything on there
16:59<mazze>dr|z3d thanks, but that is not the problem. I already have the .iso, it is mastered as MPEG2 with the DVD-structure. My problem is burning the .iso onto my empty DVD+Rs
16:59<qq-> 22:49<qq-> !tell cyrus1 about ntfs-3g
17:00<mazze>will okay, okay, but in the end, I even could not burn an xvid-file onto an ISO9660 DVD-FS for playing with the PC, as I can't burn anything on these media ...
17:00<boboysdadda>ok bbiaf
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17:00<dr|z3d>mazze: Like I said, DVD-R is likely to be playable in most players; DVD+R, less so.
17:00<dr|z3d>Really depends on the vintage of the player, mind.
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17:01<mazze>dr|z3d And when viewing it with a software player on a PC, it should work anyway ...
17:02<will>mazze: can you try dvd+rw-mediainfo?
17:02<qq->!tell cyrus1 about user accessible ntfs
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17:03<mazze>will I already used it. What part of the output do you want?
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17:04<will>Do you see anything wrong?
17:04<will>It's blank?
17:04<boboysdadda>ok so reinstalling mysql didn't work. does anyone know my the "starting mysql database server" would fail during boot up?
17:04<mazze>will I already tried to find something out. It is blank, it has the right capacity, but it has "Number of Tracks: 1".
17:05<boboysdadda>i'm not entirly sure of what it does but i would assume it should atleast start properly
17:05<mazze>will that track state is "blank", too, and the size of the track is the full capacity of the DVD.
17:05<mazze>will maybe that's normal, I don't know ...
17:05<felixs>boboysdadda: i tried the runlevel thing. booting with "root=/dev/something 4" ended up in runlevel 4
17:05<will>it's seems to be normal
17:06<will>did you already burn DVD+R?
17:06<will>with this writer
17:07<mazze>will as I said: I did never burn anything with this writer; it is brand new ...
17:07<mazze>will (and I hear your thoughts) ...
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17:07<boboysdadda>was it root=/dev/telinit 4 ?
17:07<mazze>will I really should try to burn a simple audio-cd or something like that ...
17:07<will>what's your writer?
17:07<mazze>will It is a Lenove W510 laptop and the standard writer in the Ultrabay ...
17:08<felixs>boboysdadda: telinit? no "something" would be hdXn
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17:09<boboysdadda>hdXn? i have no clue what that means as a command but ok i'll give that a shot next
17:09<boboysdadda>felixs, any ideas to my mysql problem?
17:10<felixs>boboysdadda: hdXn is my root partition on this specific machine, where i tested this
17:10<boboysdadda>oh ok
17:10<felixs>boboysdadda: sorry, hda1 is the root partition.
17:11<idul>i have the little kernelopps client sitting in my tray, while its nice having tux hang around and all, id like him to leave. how do i make it go away?
17:11<will>mazze: can you try to fix the speed?
17:12<felixs>i hardly use mysql, read the error log
17:12<boboysdadda>idul i'm not sure but would pkill kerneloops work? not sure if its safe might want to ask someone smarter
17:12<mazze>will sorry, does not make any difference
17:12<will>Is the ISO file on your HD?
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17:13<will>not on USB stick for exemple
17:13<idul>boboysdadda: i did that and it works fine until i reboot. but thats still not good bc something is wrong with the kernel
17:13<idul>oops indeed
17:14<mazze>will yes, the ISO is on the HD
17:14<idul>i guess thats when it pops up right???? iv never seen it before
17:15<boboysdadda>felixs, read the mysql.log its blank. so that didn't help. do i even need mysql?
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17:16<mazze>will in dmesg: Sense Key : Illegal Request [current]
17:16<mazze>Add. Sense: Illegal mode for this track
17:16<mazze>CDB: Read(10): 28 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 00
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17:17<will>how did you generate your ISO file?
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17:19<felixs>boboysdadda: nobody 'needs' mysql, why have you installed it?
17:19<boboysdadda>i have no clue how i got it installed
17:20<idul>i would love to submit the diagnostic data but i only get tux in the tray and no popup window
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17:21<cyrus1>!tell cyrus1 about user accessible ntfs
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17:22<qq->!tell cyrus1 about selftell
17:22<cyrus1>okay sorry
17:22<boboysdadda>felixs, now i know why its installed. half of kde uses it
17:23<dpkg>Don't be sorry...but if you ever go against the Debian Family again...
17:23<cyrus1>things begin to become creepy
17:25<felixs>boboysdadda: so my claim implies that nobody needs kde. im ok with this
17:25<will>mazze: maybe you can try to burn your DVD with nautilus
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17:26<idul>how can i reinstall the kernel??
17:26<qq->cyrus1, is ntfs-3g installed ?
17:26<cyrus1>uhm second
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17:28<boboysdadda>felixs i'm starting to realize this just did apt-get install xfce4 but then how do i switch and delete all of kde?
17:28<cyrus1>qq-: took a precompiled version, its installed now
17:28<qq->mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /mnt/
17:29<cyrus1>i'm going mad...
17:29<cyrus1>unknown file system type
17:30<felixs>boboysdadda: put a file called .Xsession into ~. it should begin with "#!/bin/bash" and end with "exec /usr/bin/something"
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17:30<felixs>boboysdadda: something would be a windowmanager executable
17:30<qq->cyrus1, maybe now is /dev/sdc1 , check dmesg| tail
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17:31<cyrus1>it is...
17:31<cyrus1>unknown filesystem type >.<
17:31<felixs>boboysdadda: of while youre at it, replace kdm with xdm :)
17:32<qq->cyrus1, it is which ? /dev/sdb1 , /dev/sdc1 ? or which ?
17:32<cyrus1>doesnt matter, it doesnt recognize ntfs-3g
17:33<qq->it matter ..
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17:33<qq->what's you command ?
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17:33<cyrus1>narf... second, unmount everything
17:34<cyrus1>there are two mounts listed, that arent working. the fucked up one and the last. sda and sdb...
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17:34<cyrus1>both are the hdd which doesnt work
17:35<boboysdadda>bbl gonna go a different route
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17:36<cyrus1>mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows
17:36<cyrus1>mount: unknown filesystem type 'ntfs-3g'
17:36<qq->/dev/sda1 is your linux system ..
17:36<cyrus1>i thought hda1
17:36<will>cyrus1: man ntfs-3g
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17:36<qq->df -h
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17:37<cyrus1>no man entry
17:37<will>install ntfs-3g
17:37<will>apt-get install ntfs-3g
17:37<qq->he said it is
17:38<qq->23:27<cyrus1> qq-: took a precompiled version, its installed now
17:39<will>there's no ntfs-3g-doc package
17:39<will>so if there's no manual then ntfs-3g isn't installed at all
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17:39<qq-> ntfs-3g had no -doc
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17:40<cyrus1>god... damn... shit... the only thing i didnt think of was apt-get... i dont use the terminal nearly as often enough as i should
17:40<cyrus1>thanks guys
17:40<cyrus1>that saved my day
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17:41<qq->cyrus1, all is ok ?
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17:41<cyrus1>yes, now the usual command worked
17:42<cyrus1>mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdc1 /mnt/windows
17:42<qq->!tell cyrus1 about why aptitude
17:43<will>apt-get install magic
17:43<cyrus1>yeah xD
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17:44<qq->apt-get install xterm gnome-
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17:45<mazze>will sorry for being away; I used dvdstyler to create the iso. I used vlc and xine to test against the iso (xine dvd://myfile.iso). Worked so far
17:45<mazze>will trying to burn in nautilus I can do maybe tomorrow, we will see ...
17:45<qq->mazze, seen my link ?
17:46<cyrus1>may i ask another question? this time its shorter
17:46<cyrus1>i wanna use youtube but it doesnt seem to work, i get a big play-button in a circle but nothing happens when i press it
17:46<mazze>qq- the one about utilities to author dvds on linux? Yes, I saw them, but I thought, that it would not have to do something with my problem -- am I wrong?
17:46<idul>TL;DR kernel panic
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17:47<mazze>cyrus1 I got youtube running only with flashplugin-nonfree from the nonfree section.
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17:47<qq->mazze, reading again may give some ideas ..
17:47<cyrus1>also via apt-get?
17:47<mazze>qq- okay, thank you for that
17:47<mazze>cyrus1 yes.
17:48<qq->23:41<qq-> !tell cyrus1 about why aptitude
17:48<qq->mazze, np
17:48<qq->!tell mazze about why aptitude
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17:49<will>YouTube should work with swfdec
17:49<felixs>i dont get it. why bother everyone about aptitude?
17:49<craigevil>the why aptitude gets both old and annoying after a while, there is no reason not to use apt-get
17:49<mazze>qq- I would be interested in why aptitute, but I did not get the !tell ... :(
17:49<cyrus1>okay and now: how can i get this plugin to work with iceweasel?
17:50<craigevil>they both work some people prefer apt-get some prefer aptitude
17:50<will>and it's the default plugin for Iceweasel
17:50<mazze>cyrus1 you just have to restart your iceweasel after successfully installing the package.
17:50<qq->mazze, check "dpkg" channel in your irc
17:50<cyrus1>okay :)
17:50<qq->!why aptitute
17:51<qq->dpkg, why aptitute
17:51<qq->dpkg, why aptitude
17:51<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>).
17:51<mazze>qq- okay: New IRC-client, new commands ...
17:51<craigevil>if you are running either squeeze or sid and using amd64 the flashplugin-nonfree will not work
17:51<qq->mazze, was typo, sry
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17:52<mazze>craigevil really? I'm quite sure, it works for me (squeeze, amd64)
17:52<qq->mazze, if so , don't update !
17:52<mazze>qq- it seems that bichtx is gone, so I tried irssi now ...
17:53<craigevil>there is no 64bit flash unless you are using gnash, or using the 32bit plugin either with nspluginwrapper or 32bit chroot
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17:53<will>mazze: you're still using the beta plugin removed from Adobe labs?
17:53<qq->!tell mazze about bichtx
17:53<cyrus1>its installed but doesnt show up
17:53<will>since it's a huge security hole exploited by black hats
17:53<cyrus1>mazze i installed the plugin, restarted ice weasel but its still the old shit
17:53<craigevil>if you are still using the old 64bit adobe flash you should remove it, because it has major security issues
17:53<mazze>craigevil that cannot be true for now: I have installed package version 1:2.8, and it just installed the adobe package. It works for me here.
17:54<oddtod>!tell oddtod about bichtx
17:54<will>cyrus: try do disable/enable the plugin in Iceweasel
17:55<oddtod>!tell oddtod about bitchx
17:55<mazze>craigevil okay, security concerns ... how do I know, if I have the bad version?
17:55<craigevil>At this point flashpugin-nonfree is useless on amd64. Adobe no longer supports the 64 bit player. See this bug report
17:55<will>check if you're using more than one plugin for Flash
17:55<mazze>!tell mazze about bitchx
17:55<mazze>will good hint ...
17:56<qq->!tell mazze about selftell
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17:56<mazze>qq- It seems, all this telling does not work for me -- I only got the aptitude info above ...
17:56<cyrus1>mazze even though its all on "ask every time" it still shows that damn sign
17:57<qq->23:55<dpkg> told mazze about selftell (Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. blablah
17:57<craigevil>mazze: Howto get Adobe Flash working in 64bit -
17:57<mazze>will no, I only have adobe flash installed for my browser
17:57<mazze>and, yes, I am running on AMD64
17:59<will>mazze: I asked Cyrus to check his plugins for Flash
17:59<mazze>craigevil so, it seems that I still have the beta version installed
17:59<mazze>will :]
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18:00<will>cyrus1: about:plugins in your address bar
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18:00<qq->cyrus1, or reboot , only ..
18:01<craigevil>you can check the flash version by going to or by looking at about:plugins on iceweasel
18:01<cyrus1>application/x-shockwave-flash Adobe Flash movie swf Ja
18:01<cyrus1>application/futuresplash FutureSplash movie spl Ja
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18:01<mazze>craigevil 10_0_45_2
18:02<craigevil>thats the old beta that is no longer supported and it should be removed for security reasons
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18:02<cyrus1>okay anyways, i am goin now. later ^^
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18:02<mazze>craigevil I understand. So, for youtube there is the possibility to use an Opensource version?
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18:03<will> swfdec should be enough for playing streaming video at a time
18:03<will>one at a time*
18:03<craigevil>gnash works ok on youtube, html5 works in midori and other webkit browsers with the right gstreamer plugins installed, you can also use chrome/chromium or the minitube app
18:03<ross_>How do you register a user name here so that another person won't use your sn
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18:04<will>don't try to load 20 streams at a time if you don't want to see Iceweasel crashed
18:04<mazze>goodbye everybody -- going to bed now :)
18:05<something15525>night mazze
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18:17<user01>how come when i do "locale -a" it has C and POSIX . . . I thought they were the same? Or is one a symbolic link to the other?
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18:21<bremner>that doesn't look good: /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for / (is /dev mounted?). (upgrading lenny to squeeze)
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18:24<qq->bremner, in chroot ?
18:25<bremner>running lvm, but the boot partition is plain ext2
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18:25<bremner>is there some issue with UUID /boot in fstab and grub2
18:26<qq->bremner, better ask in #grub on
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18:30<bremner>hmm. seems to fixed in the sid package.
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18:49<oddtod>is there a way to look at what drivers are available for my video card?
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18:55<malkav>you can try in synaptic or apt-cache search
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18:57<chealer>oddtod: in general, not really. you can check
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19:04<malkav>recently wine stopped workin for me, any advice ? already tried purging / re- installing
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19:19<burst_error>how the hell do i get identify to work?
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19:20<burst_error>do i "/msg nickserv identify pass id" ??
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19:21<burst_error>neeeeever mind
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19:26<Ajurna>hey it's me again ... still trying to replace one of my lenny packages with one from sid , there is no backport available. I've been fiddling around but I really need someone to walk me trough :[
19:27<themill>which package?
19:28<Ajurna>it's libxml2
19:28<themill>eek.... that's not a good one to try backporting
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19:28<Ajurna>could I just move my entire distribution to sid , then ?
19:29<themill>For what reason do you want newer libxml2?
19:30<themill>(it would be a trivial backport to make the package, I just suspect that it could easily break many other things that you've got installed)
19:30<Ajurna>I got a new ipod for birthday and I need a newer libxml2 to install some sqlite3 package to compile the latest gtkpod
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19:31<Ajurna>I already tried the debian-multimedia repository but it's gtkpod version only supports up to 4th generation ipods
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19:32<Ajurna>running itunes with wine also does not work. itunes in virtualbox just crashes ... shit
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19:33<Ajurna>why does installing a newer version of libxml2 cause such a hassle ? I mean .. all it should do is provide additional features, not remove old ones ?
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19:34<Texou>a+ friends, 'night :D
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19:34<themill>If you're lucky, yes. Unfortunately, rather a lot depends on it so the consequences of any breakage are more severe.
19:34<dpkg>i heard schroot is an easy way of setting up a chroot of testing or unstable within your installation of stable. See and
19:34<themill>Ajurna: ^^ you could look at something like that
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19:36<qq->as usually ..
19:37<Ajurna>a different but related question then ... suppose I just want to move my whole system to sid ... can I do this on the fly with apt ? Or would you advise a new installation
19:38<qq->!tell Ajurna about sid
19:38<themill>Ajurna: (a) if you were to do this use squeeze not sid. (b) be prepared for a bumpy ride.... /msg dpkg moving target; /msg dpkg iyhtays
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19:39<burst_error>Ajurna: for sid i'd recommend using sidux
19:39<Ajurna>I'd just reinstall but I used the encrypted filesystem for root and swap ... not sure if the installer can handle that ? I'd hate to move all my stuff around AGAIN
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19:41<craigevil> burst_error sidux is just sid with a crappy kernel, crappy artwork and a few scripts
19:41<burst_error>craigevil: so its like ubuntu then?
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19:42<craigevil>no at least it uses the debian repos
19:42<qq->!tell burst_error about sidux
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19:42<burst_error>i have the little kerneloops client sitting in my tray, while its nice having tux hang around and all, id like him to leave. i dont have the window that contains the tooltip so i would like to submit the diagnostic data manually somehow and then reinstall or repair the kernel
19:42<craigevil>it does make for a quick way to install sid, install sidux, install debian kernel, remove sidux crap
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19:44<qq->craigevil, only useful things was ceni ..
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19:45<craigevil>i do keep it in my sources.list for the ocassional bug fix, yes ceni is actually rather nice
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19:58<mercutio22> /j #miro
19:58<mercutio22>Hi. I am on debian squeeze here. Miro is not playing video anymore. Or Totem. Just VLC and mplayer. I suspect some codec is missing
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19:58<dpkg>w32codecs is a <non-free> package not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as DivX ;-), RealAudio/RealVideo, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia>. If you are looking for similar plugins for <gstreamer>, then look at the gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg packages.
19:58<mercutio22>I can't find which. Though. Every gstreamer relatred package seems to be here
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19:58<dpkg>Miro (formerly Democracy Player) is a GTK+ based video aggregator. #miro on
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20:02<mercutio22>qq-: I have debian-multimedia added to my sources.list but I see no w32codecs package. Maybe I am writing it wrong?
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20:03<qq->add debian-multimedia non-free
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20:06<mercutio22>qq-: weird.. still no such package
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20:06<mercutio22>qq-: wait
20:06<mercutio22>qq-: I am on amd64
20:07<mercutio22>so w64codecs...
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20:09<mercutio22>Yeah.. I see that one
20:09<qq->mercutio22, hope done an : aptitude update , after modified your sources.list
20:10<mercutio22>qq-: yep
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20:11<mercutio22>totem still does not show video
20:11<mercutio22>will restart x
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20:19<craigevil>miro uses gstreamer plugins
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20:20<burst_error>how do i force apt to install a package thats already on my system?
20:21<BonZo>burst_error: with reinstall
20:22<burst_error>i tried reinstall and it said that was an invalid operationi
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20:22<BonZo>are you using apt-get?
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20:22<AToM-BoMB>X0uL-|-BoT AToM-BoMB Reporting For Duty
20:22<BonZo>try install --reinstall
20:22<burst_error>i need to reinstall the kernel
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20:23<BonZo>or just use aptitude reinstall
20:23<burst_error>is this a safe method to do so?
20:23<burst_error>with the kernel and all
20:23<AToM-BoMB>IS there a way I can install debian on my pc without having a cd or usb flash drive
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20:23<BonZo>yes, it's safe
20:24<burst_error>i really dont care either way im still gonna do it, was just curious is all
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20:25<burst_error>AToM-BoMB: i think there is a windows exe or something, but i could be mistaken
20:26<dpkg> will install Debian side-by-side with an existing win32/64 system (see site for ongoing compatibility). It can be non-destructive if you follow directions, or if you want, just replace that evil non-free OS all together. Supaplex is the webmaster (for site issues), see site for all FAQ. on
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20:27<mercutio22>looks like totem looks for jack: jack server is not running or cannot be started
20:28<qq->stop using totem , use vlc mplayer as average users ..
20:28<something15525>i installed a experimental build of the squeeze kernel, along with linux-base, how would i go about uninstalling it and setting the default boot to the other kernel listed in grub?
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20:29<qq->purge it
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20:35<something15525>qq-: purge it?
20:35<qq->your experimental thing
20:36<something15525>qq-: yes, dpkg --purge or something as such?
20:36<qq->dpkg -P experimental
20:36<dpkg>qq-: no idea
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20:36<something15525>? lol
20:37<qq->grep expe /boot
20:37<burst_error>what is the package name for the 2.6.26-2-686 kernel?
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20:37<abrotman>linux-image-686 is a metapackage that will install it
20:38<abrotman>and is what you shuld really be using
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20:38<something15525>qq-: gives me nothing
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20:38<burst_error>image.. got it
20:39<something15525>can i just purge the experimental linux-base?
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20:41<burst_error>linux-image-686 doesnt come with any blobs does it?
20:43<craigevil>burst_error: do dpkg -l | grep linux-image then remove the one you dont want
20:43<something15525>craigevil: guessing you mena me correct?
20:44<craigevil>whooops yeah :)
20:44<something15525>craigevil: and how do i downgrade the linux-base
20:44<burst_error>lol well what happens if i do it?
20:45<something15525>burst_error: don't think you are trying to get rid of a experimental squeeze kernel build?
20:45<something15525>craigevil: do i need to even do anything to the linux-base package?
20:46<qq->something15525, which version is ?
20:46<something15525>craigevil: because atm dpkg -l linux-base gives me version "2.6.34-1~experimental.2" which isn't the version i'm using anymore
20:47<something15525>qq-: just got rid of experimental kernel build, how do i downgrade linux-base
20:47<something15525>qq-: version is 2.6.34-1~experimental.2"
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20:47<qq->purge it
20:48<craigevil>remove exp from your sources.list then reinstall it
20:48<something15525>craigevil: not in my sources.list, was manually installed because of networking issues
20:48<BonZo>why etch is no longer on mirrors?
20:49<something15525>qq-: --purge gives me "Errors were encountered while processing: linux-base"
20:49<burst_error>!tell BonZo about etch
20:49<craigevil>try install the one from testing it should remove the other version
20:49<something15525>craigevil: install the one what?
20:50<qq->, versions linux-base
20:50<judd>linux-base -- lenny-backports: 2.6.32-15~bpo50+1; sid: 2.6.32-15; squeeze: 2.6.32-15; experimental: 2.6.33-1~experimental.3; experimental: 2.6.33-1~experimental.4; experimental: 2.6.33-1~experimental.5; experimental: 2.6.34-1~experimental.1; experimental: 2.6.34-1~experimental.2
20:50<BonZo>only 3 years support?
20:50<craigevil>aptitude install linux-base should install the testing version, if not you might have to sepcify the version
20:51<craigevil>or if its still in you /var/cache/apt/archives you can use dpkg to install the correct version
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20:52<something15525>craigevil: that aptitude command did not work, i think my sources.list needs some network sources, what are the squeeze repos? the only thing in my sources.list atm is the official cd i used to install
20:52<BonZo>and who has an old pc what should do?
20:53<burst_error>BonZo: i have lenny running on a 10 yr old pc just fine, with lxde as the wm
20:54<craigevil>something15525: you can download it then use dpkg
20:54<qq->!tell something15525 about sources
20:54<burst_error>in fact i have lenny arm running on a palm pilot
20:55<something15525>qq-: that tells met where the sources.list file is, but not what sources should be included for a squeeze daily build
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20:56<BonZo>burst_error: ok, but even lightweight DE are becoming heavier and heavier
20:57<qq->something15525, read it again , carefully
20:57<craigevil>something15525: take a look at
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20:58<BonZo>for example when Lenny will be no longer supported can't be able to use KDE 3.5
20:58<something15525>craigevil: thank you thats very helpful
20:58<craigevil>BonZo: depends on what you mean by heavy, E17 on my kids OLPC XO is only using 40mb ram at boot, about the same here using lxde
20:59<something15525>every time i log in with gdm, lxde pops up my home directory, how would i be getting rid of that
20:59<BonZo>kde 3.5 worked well on my (5 years old)pc, but i can't use kde4
20:59<burst_error>BonZo: thats because its kde, its even more of a hog than gnome
20:59<craigevil>BonZo: kde3 isnt supported upstream why should debian support it
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21:01<BonZo>Indeed that is the problem
21:02<burst_error>BonZo: i suggest you take a second look at using xfce or lxde which are being supported. xfce is a lil heavy on my old box but lxde is like lighting
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21:02<craigevil>BonZo: try lxde, i switched to it when kde4 hit sid, i loved kde3.5.10
21:02<BonZo> it seems that technology must always move forward, even if this worsens the quality of life
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21:02<lokitadeamo>hola me llamo karla y soy de españa valencia estoy en buska de chikos rikos mi edad es 25 años y aki les dejo mi msn al k esta interesado vale lokitadeamo @ h0t c0m
21:02<lokitadeamo>hola me llamo karla y soy de españa valencia estoy en buska de chikos rikos mi edad es 25 años y aki les dejo mi msn al k esta interesado vale lokitadeamo @ h0t c0m
21:02<lokitadeamo>hola me llamo karla y soy de españa valencia estoy en buska de chikos rikos mi edad es 25 años y aki les dejo mi msn al k esta interesado vale lokitadeamo @ h0t c0m
21:02<craigevil>something15525: purge lxde
21:02<lokitadeamo>hola me llamo karla y soy de españa valencia estoy en buska de chikos rikos mi edad es 25 años y aki les dejo mi msn al k esta interesado vale lokitadeamo @ h0t c0m
21:02<lokitadeamo>hola me llamo karla y soy de españa valencia estoy en buska de chikos rikos mi edad es 25 años y aki les dejo mi msn al k esta interesado vale lokitadeamo @ h0t c0m
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21:03<BonZo>craigevil: now i'm using xfce and i feel good
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21:05<burst_error>qq-: so i reboot after i install the new kernel?
21:05<abrotman>wtf was that
21:07<qq->burst_error, as usually
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21:08<burst_error>windows botnet?
21:08<burst_error>qq-: ok
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21:16<burst_error>kerneloops is still flipping out
21:16<burst_error>how can i see what modules are loaded??
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21:25<burst_error>this didnt start to happen until i did ifconf up on usb0 so my pda could update its repo
21:25<burst_error>how do i unload a module?
21:26<burst_error>or tell it not to load to begin with
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21:26<qq->auto usb0
21:27<qq->presume usb0 is an interface
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21:34<thrice>hi; is it possible to view packages that I've explicitely installed ?
21:35<qq->what's 'explicitly' ?
21:35<dpkg>To list installed packages, dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; or aptitude search -F '%p' '~i'; or ask me about <aptitude clone>, <debian clone>. See also <installed test>.
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21:36<thrice>abrotman, yes, that much I know; I mean, things I've explicitely installed
21:37<thrice>so, instead of listing app1, dep1, dep2, dep3, dep4, just 'app1'
21:37<abrotman>like aptitude install foo
21:37<abrotman>that's explicit
21:37<thrice>yes, 'foo' is
21:38<thrice>so, anything I've installed with aptitude on my own, without any of the deps its pulled in
21:38<abrotman>right .. the bot just told you
21:38<thrice>abrotman, running the command you gave me shows all deps too
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21:38<abrotman>oh sorry
21:38<abrotman>aptitude search "~i!~M
21:39<abrotman>aptitude search '~i!~M'
21:39<thrice>abrotman, mm, maybe that's pulling in items from the core set too?
21:39<abrotman>whatever that mean
21:40<thrice>that search brings up 159 items, even though I've probably only installed 20 by hand via. aptitude
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21:41<abrotman>there was also the system installatoin
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21:42<thrice>right, I think those are being included
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21:42<abrotman>they shuld be
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21:42<abrotman>but maybe you want more like: aptitude search '~i!~M!~pstandard!~prequired' ?
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21:43<abrotman>thrice: what are you really trying to do ?
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21:43<thrice>abrotman, just gather a list of things I've installed on my own, what is included in the base/core system install, and which are deps :>
21:44<cthuluh>hi. is there someone here that knows about IRQs? I have a problem with my usb hub: my devices work at full speed (12Mb/s), not high speed (480Mb/s). See here the irq mapping:
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21:45<cthuluh>this is the content of the file /proc/interrupts. the usb hub is a SiS
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21:45<abrotman>thrice: was that closer ?
21:45<gpm>i'm using nspluginwrapper to get flash on amd64. it works fine but there's no sound, using pulseaudio. what can i check/do/enable to get sound working with flash as i have it installed?
21:45<thrice>abrotman, yep, close - must be stuff the installer pulled in for detecting i'm on a laptop too
21:45<abrotman>there are different priorities
21:45<thrice>abrotman, sorry, I'm mostly playing with doing a minimal-ish install + building up, and trying to pick up apt in the process
21:46<abrotman>maybe aptitude search '~i!~M~poptional' ?
21:46<thrice>i'm mostly a slackware user, so this whole "dependency" thing is quite unique :>
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21:48<thrice>abrotman, that is the closest, but has a few libraries yet - which surely i've not installed on my own. it seems 'deborphan' can track down most no-longer-used goodies
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21:49<abrotman>debfoster can help you keep it clean also
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21:51<thrice>is either prefered? I find it odd that either are needed at all, as I expected aptitude to remove stuff on its own with full-upgrade
21:52<thrice>ah, debfoster seems different
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21:54<craigevil>gpm: take a look at the last post has how to get pulse working
21:54<thrice>what I found strange, specifically, was that libboost-iostreams1.42.0 was brought in new to my system, and 1.40.0 was left installed, yet un-needed by anything I have on here
21:55<gpm>craigevil: gracias
21:57<abrotman>thrice: they do different things
21:57<thrice>abrotman, hm? just boost libraries used by apt, I think. removing 1.40.0 afterwards caused no harm
21:58<abrotman>i meant the deborphan/debfoster
21:59<thrice>oh, right :>
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22:16<bremner>thrice: aptitude why libboost-iostreams1.40.0
22:16<bremner>aptitude why is a nifty command to know.
22:17<thrice>bremner, yes :> that's what I mean - that returned no requirements
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22:18<bremner>dunno, squeeze here, and aptitude depends on it.
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