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---Logopened Thu Jun 24 00:00:35 2010
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00:13<kop>felipe: You have a question?
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00:13<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
00:14<felipe>!ask i need edit kernel
00:14<kop>felipe: You want to compile your own kernel? (What language do you speak, there may be a better channel.)
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00:15<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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00:35<evanbd>What's the recommended first step for diagnosing ALSA problems? Yesterday it worked fine, today it doesn't. Specifically, Audacious works, but Xine, VLC, and Flash don't.
00:35<kop>!alsa checklist
00:35<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>.
00:36<kop>evanbd: That's all I know.
00:36*jmad980 needs to learn all of these
00:36<jmad980>sounds right tho
00:37<evanbd>alsamixer: cannot open mixer: No such file or directory
00:37<jpinx-eeepc>evanbd: install it
00:37<evanbd>jpinx-eeepc: install what? A mixer?
00:38<evanbd>jpinx-eeepc: It used to work. And I have music coming from my speakers right now, thanks to audacious...
00:38<evanbd>(and yes, audacious is configured to use ALSA)
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00:39<jmad980>you sure you aren't running a program thats locking alsa to itself?
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00:39*jmad980 might have worded that wrong
00:39<evanbd>jmad980: Yeah, I tried ye olde reboot.
00:39<jmad980>Hmm :/
00:40<evanbd>Huh. the modprobe fixed it.
00:40<evanbd>Very odd....
00:40<evanbd>How did that get broken? :(
00:40<evanbd>kop: Thanks :)
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00:41<tomg>My name is Tom and Debian 5.0 seems very awesome to me
00:42<tomg>X, gpm, sound all worked without me having to do anything, and I looked up some destructions and someone told me how to set up X
00:42<tomg>I mean nvidia GL
00:42<franki->Debian users anonymous?
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00:43<jmad980>nah, I don't even use Debain
00:43*jmad980 gets banned
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00:44<twb>Why is TERM=screen.linux now happening to me *even on Debian*?
00:44<twb>I thought it was a redhatism.
00:45<jmad980>must be linuxism, but I haven't ever had that problem that I know of
00:45<kop>twb: I get only $TERM=screen on lenny.
00:45<twb>I'm on squeeze.
00:45<twb>I've only ever seen RH do it before
00:45<kop>twb: Why care if screen has it's own termcap?
00:45<twb>When you log in on the tty, and run screen, TERM ends up as screen.linux instead of screen -- which breaks EVERY OTHER DAMN HOST you try to ssh into :-/
00:46<franki->Yeah, I've had that problem, but with $TERM=screen.rxvt
00:46<twb>(Because they have screen terminfo entries, but not screen.linux terminfo entries.)
00:46<kop>twb: Except for RH. Maybe they won some standards war.
00:47<twb>kop: in fact, what it's breaking *right now* is a debootstrap chroot :-(
00:47*kop *ouch*
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01:12<k-man>after modifying my /etc/hosts file, it seems like programs aren't picking up the change
01:14<tomg>k-man: Have you restarted those programs?
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01:15<k-man>tomg: turned out i needed to restart dnsmasq
01:15<k-man>even from the command line, ping was not picking up the new hos
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01:17<tomg>k-man: okay, yeah, thanks
01:19<k-man>tomg: no, thank you :)
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01:35<butters_>i have a backport debian lenny, and most of kde, but some of the packes apt cant find, is there a particular source i should have?
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01:39<jpinx-eeepc>butters_: do you have backports in your sources.list ?
01:42<butters_>nevermind, its solved
01:42<butters_>im so happy
01:42<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
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01:43<butters_>dear jordanm, if you read this, thank you for spending ~3-4 hours helping me with my own self-caused problems
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01:44<jpinx-eeepc>jordanm: ↑↑↑
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02:07<austinium>hi, which can should i use to convert amr to mp3?
02:07<jmad980>this is debian, and mp3 is evil :)
02:07*jmad980 doesn't know doesn't use debian
02:07<twb>google for lossy2lossy.ogg ? ;-P
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02:09<twb>I can never find that song; IIRC it used to be on
02:09<jpinx-eeepc>austinium: have you tried playing amr in vlc ?
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02:39<austinium>jpinx-eeepc: sorry i was away, iam helping a friend out with this, hes trying audacity now
02:39<austinium>is there a way we can remotely install software on say a 100 Debian Lenny Boxes simultaneously?
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02:40<austinium>from a centralized server
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02:42<twb>Or just have them all load their root filesystem from a central, read-only filesystem.
02:42<twb>That's what I do for user workstations.
02:42<austinium>the entire / ?
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02:43<austinium>i mean NFSv4
02:43<twb>NFSv3, actually, because we ran out of budget.
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02:48<austinium>so you changed /etc/fstab post install?
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02:49<dominique>Hi! I'm running Debian Lenny 5.04. Some of the websites including Youtube,, and postlogin yahoomail appear without layout formatting. Only the HTML is displayed without any sort of formatting both in epiphany konqueror and iceweasel. They are displayed just fine in Windows running in vmware. How do I go about fixing it?
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02:50<austinium>dominique: have check if you have javascript enabled?
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02:50<jmad980>also, it could be your connection having problems such as loading the html but not the CSS
02:51<dominique>jmad980, it loads well in windows in vmware!!
02:52<dominique>austinium, javascript is enabled in iceweasel preferences.
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02:52<jmad980>I've had that problem before, but it just disappeard so i'm not really sure what the problem was
02:53<austinium>me neither :-I
02:54<jmad980>dominique: you've tryed restarting your network or a the MSfix (just reboot)?
02:54<dominique>well, it's a home PC and I reboot a lot. Yes I have, several times.
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02:57<jmad980>works in the place I freqent
02:58<jmad980>nice caos over there
02:58<jpinx-eeepc>dominique: I get that sometimes and it is down to a bad network
02:59<jpinx-eeepc>dominique: reload one page and see if it comes up better
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03:00<dominique>it's d same even if i reload it a number of times.
03:00<dominique>jpinx-eeepc also tried clearing the cache
03:01<jmad980>cleared out your cache and everything?
03:01<jmad980>to latge
03:01<jpinx-eeepc>dominique: do you have flash installed?
03:01<austinium>how about /etc/init.d networking restart ???
03:01<austinium>if it is a bad network connection ( same as rebooting anyway)
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03:02<austinium>tried any other browser? Google's Chrome maybe?
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03:02<dominique>jmad980, i hv flash installed. and the problem existed even before i had flash
03:02<jpinx-eeepc>dominique: try other browsers to test - like opera
03:02<dominique>havn't tried other browsers. just the once i could lay hands wid the debian dvd. iceweasel, epiphany, konqueror
03:03<dominique>jpinx-eeepc, will try it and get back. will take a while.
03:03<jpinx-eeepc>dominique: you need to isolate the problem to browser, or network, or system
03:03<jmad980>dominique: tryed restarting your router?
03:04<jpinx-eeepc>jmad980: everything works fine ona vm in teh same box - it's probably not the network
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03:05<dominique>jpinx-eeepc jmad980 :well, since the pages are displayed correctly in vmware windows, i guess it's not the network or the browser. I also tried FF, i'll try installing chrome. will take a while
03:05<jmad980>yeah, prolly not, does vmware use a whole diffrent interface or is it the same as the regular one
03:05<jpinx-eeepc>dunno how he has it setup
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03:06<dominique>i did the default vmware install, and access the CP through the browser. The console is an iceweasel plugin.
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03:13<dominique>okay guys, i installed google chrome and still... no change!! bad layout! jpinx-eeepc jmad980
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05:09<freezer>i want to use madwifi instead of ath5k. Should i use the madwifi-source package in lenny or download the latest release from
05:09<freezer>the debian supplied source seems to be 2years old already
05:10<alfadir>hi, trying to make a usb-stick for a remote install.. append has : iso-scan/filename=/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso and file=/hd-media/preseed.cfg but autoscan does not occur.. do I have to specify somtheing else.. auto=true is also set
05:10<alfadir>the /hd-media is not mounted .. hence preseed.cfg not found
05:11<alfadir>selecting scanning for isos in the menu after the installation has halted.. mounts /hd-media
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06:01<nething>installed php5-auth-pam, but my app won't authenticate with pam. /var/log/user.log shows Jun 24 10:49:34 cvs-wireless apache2: pam_unix(php:auth): authentication failure; logname= uid=33 euid=33 tty= ruser= rhost= user=jamesc
06:01<nething>but I can log in via SSH using that username just fine.
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06:10<dapeamel>hi guys can someone help me out with my sound cards.? please.
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06:23<nething>installed php5-auth-pam, but my app won't authenticate with pam. /var/log/user.log shows Jun 24 10:49:34 cvs-wireless apache2: pam_unix(php:auth): authentication failure; logname= uid=33 euid=33 tty= ruser= rhost= user=jamesc
06:23<nething>but I can log in via SSH using that username just fine.
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06:24<dapeamel>can someone help me to setup a proxy?.
06:24<Texou>Hey :D
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06:38<brixsat>i have no wifii on my debian lenny, because my wifi led is off i cant turn it on :( asus f5vl :(
06:39<locklace>brixsat: have you checked your bios settings and do you have a hw kill switch
06:39<brixsat>locklace, yes i have checked
06:39<brixsat>i have a hw sitch and it is on
06:40<brixsat>but the hw switch does not make led on or off
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06:40<alfadir>brixsat: had the same on my nec.. the switched had to be pressed until the wlan was on.. but the led never went on.. but wlan worked
06:41<brixsat>my bto is slider not a press button
06:41<alfadir>brixsat: so try to turn off the kill switch and see if it becomes availible in the dmesg
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06:41<locklace>brixsat: what wireless chipset? paste output of lspci -knn and cat /proc/net/wireless and dmesg at
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06:41<locklace>brixsat: if it doesn't work at all you may need a new kernel, the one from backports might work better
06:41<dpkg>/dev/rfkill is the Linux rfkill (radio frequency <killswitch>) device interface, available since Linux 2.6.31. It is used to enable and disable wireless networking devices (e.g. wireless LAN, Bluetooth, WiMAX). The rfkill userspace tool for accessing this interface is packaged for Squeeze.
06:41<brixsat>02:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter [168c:001c] (rev 01)
06:41<brixsat> Kernel driver in use: ath5k_pci
06:41<brixsat> Kernel modules: ath5k
06:42<amos>sorry for such a noob question, but i cant work out which iso cd im ment to download, looking for deb lenny with gnome, one cd not multiple for a netbook?
06:42<locklace>!tell brixsat about pastebin
06:42<brixsat>locklace, sorry
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06:45<brixsat>locklace, :)
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06:48<brixsat>locklace, any ideia?
06:49<locklace>brixsat: what do you get with "ifconfig wlan0 up" and "iwlist wlan0 scan" and "iwconfig wlan0"
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06:50<cthuluh>brixsat: as locklace has already said, you want a kernel from the backports. or you can use the madwifi drivers
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06:52<brixsat>cthuluh, :/ will a kernel update turn my wifi on and off using keyb shortcuts?
06:53<reis>Hi there, is someone that have a Compaq mini 311 or other machine using Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY (rev 01) that encountered problems with kernel 2.6.32-5-686 (as a note, 2.6.32-3-686 is ok)
06:53<cthuluh>brixsat: perhaps yes, perhaps no. but I thought the most important was to get your wifi to _work_
06:54<brixsat>cthuluh, ye4s you are right, how do i update kernel?
06:54<cthuluh>brixsat: using keyboard shortcuts, yes there's always a way. not sure about the hardware switch
06:54<cthuluh>!tell brixsat about backports
06:54<reis>I forgot to say that b43 driver is being used
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06:55<brixsat>amos, dont ask in private if i can help you, you must post your question here, other wise if i dont know the problem how will i help?
06:56<amos>sorry for such a noob question, but i cant work out which iso cd im ment to download, looking for deb lenny with gnome, one cd not multiple for a netbook?
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06:56<ajames>I know this is a debian channel but does anyone know where I can get info on porting debian to the hd2
06:56<brixsat>amos use net install :)
06:56<amos>yeah i tried netinstall doesnt work
06:56<locklace>!doesn't work
06:56<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
06:56<amos>gets all upset over nocdrom and cant find network drivers
06:57<brixsat>amos plug it a lan cable :)
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06:58<brixsat>locklace, any ideia?
06:59<locklace>on what
06:59<brixsat>my wifi
06:59<locklace>i keep telling you to do things and you keep not listening
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07:00<brixsat>you asked me to make some comands and i have done it and pasted it
07:00<brixsat>i have nothing else
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07:02<FULL>soz capz
07:03<brixsat>locklace, you asked me to make some comands and i have done it and pasted it, i got nothing else
07:04<brixsat>cthuluh, i already have the backports
07:04<brixsat>cthuluh, how do i upgrade kernel?
07:04<cthuluh>install a more recent one
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07:04<FULL>heelhelpo i need
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07:05<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.34-1-686 (2.6.34-1~experimental.2); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-22lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2)
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07:05<FULL> you can say who can find a wireless key
07:05<locklace>brixsat: go to and download it and install it with dpkg -i
07:06<brixsat>locklace, :D
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07:06<locklace>brixsat: you'll also need linux-base, install it first,
07:06<brixsat>locklace, i386 dont they have amd64?
07:06<locklace>brixsat: if you're using amd64, replace 686 with amd64
07:06<drowner>hi there everyone
07:06<locklace>brixsat: and i386 with amd64 too
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07:08<drowner>i just got a new eeepc and i'd like to install debian onto it. Had an ubuntu laptop for years, but havent installed a distro in about 4 years. I notice network install is the recommended way - do you choose desktop envs etc along the way?
07:09<mercutio22>drowner: yep.
07:10<brixsat>locklace, not availiable
07:11<locklace>argh, backports kernels are all fucked up
07:12<drowner>mercutio22: cool. i will do it. will be fun. apparently have to update BIOS or won't get ethernet.
07:12<mercutio22>drowner: I doubt it. Which eeepc model is it?
07:13<brixsat>locklace, i founded some where else :)
07:13<locklace>brixsat: use these ones instead
07:13<drowner>mercutio22: 1001px
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07:18<drowner>thanks guys. ciao
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07:18<brixsat>locklace, it is giving me dependencies problems
07:18<brixsat>how do i fix it?
07:19<locklace>what problems? those two should work together fine
07:19<brixsat>now it is ok :D
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07:23<brixsat>locklace, done now reboot?
07:23<brixsat>brb then :)
07:24<brixsat>thanks for the time spent on me :D
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07:27<brixsat>locklace, :D mim
07:27<brixsat>locklace, :D im now talking to you using wifi :D
07:27<locklace>!congratulate brixsat
07:27<dpkg>Hugs & Puppies brixsat, you did it!
07:28<brixsat>thanks i hjane not dit you have :D
07:28<brixsat>i have not did it you have :D
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07:43<dapeamel>hey guys can someone help me to install I tried to ./ with su also sudo bash also bash but It says "Permissions denied"
07:44<dapeamel>how do I stop xserver?
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07:47<ebrahim>Where are APT developers? I'm lost in the source.
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07:47<abraham>dapeamel use "init 1"
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07:55<ebrahim>(caps lock off)
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07:57<otak>wow I heard that from the cellar
07:59<dpkg>You do not NEED an application. You definitely do not NEED a game or site. You do not NEED a shell. You do not NEED to get a ban lifted. You NEED food. So go and buy your food, and if you feel that you absolutely NEED a program, we suggest that you go and buy that too while you're out. You do need beer, though.
08:01<bzed>ebrahim: chances are better to conect them via their mailing list I guess
08:01<bzed>Maintainer: APT Development Team <>
08:01<bzed>or you could give #debian-devel on oftc a try
08:02<ebrahim>bzed, kthx!
08:02<sveniu>or state your actual issue, and perhaps it does not need a developer
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08:03<dapeamel>hey guys can someone help me to install nvidia graphic card?. so it works with compiz etc.
08:03<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see . If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
08:03<ebrahim>sveniu, if as a C++ programmer I'm lost in the APT source code, it seems some APT developer is needed.
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08:04<sveniu>ebrahim: okay
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08:11<ebrahim>My idea about APT: let the user add both 'deb lenny main' and 'deb lenny main', and download packages from both of them concurrently in a round-robin manner.
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08:13<ebrahim>What do you think about that idea?
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08:26<brixsat>how can i put my second output from graphics card to work? (dual monitor on ati radeon x2300)
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08:32<brixsat>locklace, to geek for me :p
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08:41<blockowitsch>hello. is it possible to find out which route from the routing table is taken for a given ip?
08:43<petemc>or do you mean for a source ip?
08:44<blockowitsch>i have a pretty complex routing table due to several interfaces and i can't make any connections to the i'd like to find out which entries from the routing table are taken
08:45<blockowitsch>if i understand traceroute correctly, it only finds out about remote gateways?
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08:46<petemc>traceroute - print the route packets take to network host
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08:49<blockowitsch>uhm...ok just forget about my question :D the routing table was not the gateway did no NAT ;)
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08:53<blockowitsch>hmm...whats the preferred way to see syslog messages? currently i'm using tail -f on /var/log/syslog
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08:53<jpinx-eeepc>blockowitsch: nothing wrong with that
08:54<ebrahim>blockowitsch, I use less. Ctrl+G rereads tail of file.
08:54<petemc>less can also follow a file
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08:55<jpinx-eeepc>you can get all fancy with options on tail -f, but if you leave it running it'll fill your screen
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08:55<jpinx-eeepc>petemc: more or less ;)
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08:55<ebrahim>less is more
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08:57<dapeamel>hey guys can someone help me I have problem with my kernel 2.6.26-2-686 I want to install my nvidia geforce 260
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09:03<burst_error>dapeamel: he wants to know what release you are running on
09:03<dapeamel>I dont really know. :S
09:05<cahoot>dapeamel: lsb_release -a
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09:07<dapeamel>No LSB modules are available.
09:07<dapeamel>Distributor ID: Debian
09:07<dapeamel>Description: Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.4 (lenny)
09:07<dapeamel>Release: 5.0.4
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09:08<burst_error>dapeamel_: dont paste to many line to quickly or the bot will kick you for flooding
09:09<cahoot>and don't paste useles info
09:10<BonZo>dapeamel_, you already tried to follow these instructions? :
09:10<dapeamel_> there you go bonzo
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09:11<dapeamel_>I can try again.. but It fucked up last time.
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09:11<dapeamel_>hm Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-common
09:13<burst_error>burst_error: color test test
09:13<BonZo>do you have contrib and non-free in your /etc/apt/sources.lst?
09:13<dapeamel_>hmm I will check out..
09:13<jordanm>gts 260 will not work with lenny's nvidia drivers
09:14<jordanm>and lenny will not run the current sid nvidia drivers. There is way to work-around on i386, but I am afraid it will be outside of your technical skill
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09:14<dapeamel_>thanks bonzo :) worked now.
09:15<BonZo>could not use the nvidia installer?
09:15<jordanm>BonZo: the nvidia installer is not supported or recommend here
09:16<dapeamel_>I using it now works fine so far :)
09:16<jordanm>and anyways, no, the newest nvidia drivers require a newer xorg version that lenny has
09:16<jordanm>lenny does not have... sorry
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09:18<BonZo>so you have to install squeeze if you want 3d acceleration
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09:23<ebrahim>Hello jon__. How do you do?
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09:26<jon__>alright, how about you?
09:26<ebrahim>jon__, fine. thanks.
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09:31<dapeamel>hey again..
09:31<dapeamel>I still got problem with my xserver.conf ....
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09:32<ebrahim>dapeamel, you mean xorg.conf?!
09:32<dapeamel>yeah sorry
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09:35<dapeamel>can someone help me to configure my nvidia gts 260.
09:35<dapeamel>jordanm why doesnt it work with lenny?
09:38<jordanm>dapeamel: the 175.x series used in lenny does support cards newer the than the 8000 series
09:38<jordanm>does not
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09:43<dapeamel>hi guys what is the differnece between compiz fusion also compiz?. which will I use I running debian gnu/linux5.0.4(lenny)
09:46<burst_error>how do i tell aptitude to install wine without bringing cups along with it?
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09:58<cthuluh>burst_error: aptitude -R ...
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10:10<jon__>i'm trying to install alien, and i keep getting a bash error when entering in the install commands in the readme
10:10<jon__>jon@ubuntu:~/Desktop/alien$ perl Makefile.PL; make; make install
10:10<jon__>Writing Makefile for Alien
10:10<jon__>bash: make: command not found
10:10<jon__>bash: make: command not found
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10:17<andrewsh>Hello everyone.
10:17<andrewsh>WHere can I find Debian Mozilla team?
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10:19<jordanm>andrewsh: looks like its one guy that packages iceweasel. see the maintainer field in the package description
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10:21<andrewsh>jordanm: The only one? Strange. :)
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10:21<andrewsh>So it's better to file a bug against the package.
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10:41<burst_error>aptitude is still trying to force me to install cups despite -r and even "dependency-" and if i deselect them it then deselects wine all together
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10:42<jpinx-eeepc>burst_error: --without-recommends maybe?
10:42<burst_error>ill give it a go
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10:49<burst_error>jpinx-eeepc: that worked in combination with "ever_single_unwanted_dep-" as long as i let it install libwine-print
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10:50<jpinx-eeepc>burst_error: cool :)
10:51<jpinx-eeepc>it's a kitchen-sink preventer you needed :)
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11:07<burst_error>jpinx-eeepc: i dont mind the kitchen sink as long as its not being installed in the bathroom
11:08<burst_error>aptitude is usually more friendly than this, dont know why its being so crabby today
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11:10<jpinx-eeepc>bad hair day
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11:11<hacman>Hi! Etch was moved from the main-mirror to the archive-mirror, but where do I find etch-proposed-updates now? (I know that is a possibility, but I have to have rsync access.)
11:12<jpinx-eeepc>hacman: that came up 20 minutes ago and it was said that there aren't any
11:12<jpinx-eeepc>etch is dead
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11:13<hacman>yes of course etch is "dead", but all other obsolete proposed-updates can be found at
11:16<hacman>I was just wondering, if there's no possibility to get these files with rsync (just for the last time ;))
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11:17<jordanm>hacman: AFAIK, athey were all merged into main as a point release prior to moving to the archives
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11:23<hacman>jordanm: You're right... thank you!
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11:53<robert>The G-Men are here
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11:57<retrospectacus>uh oh
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12:05<brixsat>hello :) (once again :p)
12:05<brixsat>when my ubuntu boots up i have to manualy start the network with ifup eth0 why?
12:06<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
12:06<brixsat>locklace, sorry i said ubuntu bas it is debian :+
12:06<locklace>brixsat: man interfaces
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12:06<brixsat>yes i have edited my /etc/network/interfaces
12:07<retrospectacus>brixsat: does "auto eth0" appear in /etc/network/interfaces? or "allow-hotplug eth0"
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12:07<brixsat>iface eth0 inet static
12:08<brixsat>the allow-hotplug eth0 is comented out
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12:08<retrospectacus>well you need auto for it to configure it automatically. allow-hotplug may also work
12:09<brixsat>so i do i put it auto?
12:10<retrospectacus>if you want
12:10<retrospectacus>read man interfaces like locklace said
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12:14<brixsat>auto eth0
12:14<brixsat>did not work :(
12:14<retrospectacus>here is mine:
12:15<brixsat>thanks retrospectacus :D
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12:20<retrospectacus>brixsat: enjoy
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12:32<cbam>can anyone help me on openvpn configs
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12:33<blockowitsch>ask your question ;) maybe i or someone else can
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12:33<laurence_>I need to do a quick upgrade of an old Etch system that I normally don't have console access to. When doing 'aptitude safe-upgrade' I get a "resolver timed out after producing a solution" message, and google hasn't helped me understand how to deal with it so far. Any suggestions or pointers to docs?
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12:34<dennis-p>is there a live cd channel/
12:37<dennis-p>Why is debian-ppc a locked out channel?
12:38<gdb>laurence_: Not sure if this is your issue, but etch support was terminated back in March and the actual archive has now been moved (recently) to Is your sources.list up to date to reflect that move?
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12:39<josep>Hi, I just discovered that my Xorg process start at nice priority -10 while it should start at 0, but I don't know to change
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12:43<laurence_>gdb: I don't think so. I changed the sources.list references to point to and did an update first. That said, it didn't take as long as I expected, so it's possible it didn't really update to the last point release. :-(
12:43<stack_underflow>is it recommended to use either shutdown/halt over init 0 or the other way around?
12:44<laurence_>gdb: After that, following the directions, I changed it back to point to lenny at and upgraded apt. Now I'm at the 'safe-upgrade' stage.
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12:47<simonrvn>stack_underflow: personally i don't think it makes a difference. but if you want to be sure check out their docs.
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12:56<tomg>I think I clobbered my Imac's boot sector with Linux somehow, now I can't see the Refit screen
12:57<laurence_>Anyway, while I surely don't understand what it is doing, the aptitude source code suggests that it still makes some kind of progress when this happens, and the output when re-run isn't entirely the same, so what I'm doing is re-running yet again. Which may or may not be sane, of course.
12:57<tomg>Will I have to reinstall Mac OS X in order to get Mac OS X to boot again?
12:58<ebrahim>Does apt-get have some limit on number of concurrent downloads? (In case of multiple mirrors which apt-get gets packages concurrently)
12:58<tomg>ebrahim: I believe it's configurable
12:58<ebrahim>tomg, do you know the config key name?
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12:59<tomg>ebrahim: No, but I still think that I saw it sometime in the past
12:59<simonrvn>tomg: yaboot can handle dual-booting
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13:00<simonrvn>check out man yaboot.conf and yaboot
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13:01<tomg>simonrvn: merci beaucoup (that's french for thank you very much)
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13:01<simonrvn>tomg: bienvenue
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13:03<cahoot>neither french nor italian is en vogue today
13:04<cahoot>(re WC)
13:05<tomg>ebrahim: Maybe I was smoking ants and it's not possible after all
13:07<tomg>hehe, AnalPrompt is actually called AnalPrompt in the apt source code
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13:14<tomg>ebrahim: I think that APT downloads one simultaneous stream per site, with a possible maximum of four or so... it doesn't make any sense to download more than once from the same site anyway
13:14<tomg>Gotta go
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13:14<ebrahim>tomaw, I want to know about that 'maximum'
13:15<ebrahim>tomaw, sorry. I meant tomg
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13:24<lili_>slow speed on network..
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13:25<darius>hi, device on ttyS0 (integrated in motherboard) does not react to commands but connected to usb->com (067b:2303 Prolific Technology, Inc. PL2303 Serial Port) works ok, where to start searching for problem?
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13:26<darius>device seems to get input (but does react as expected) also it makes some output, but i dont see it in console (using ser2net and telnet)
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13:28<darius>dont see any com or serial port in lspci (should it be there?)
13:28<kop>darius: It's not on the pci bus.
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13:29<kop>darius: How do you know it does not work? Perhaps you're looking for hardware flow control and other hardware pins (rts/cts) and you don't have singnal on them.
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13:31<darius>on ttyUSB0: i type command, devices RX led blinks, cammera turns, tx led blinks, and i get confirmation of command; on ttyS0 diference is that cammerda does not rotate and i get no output (rx and tx leds plinks as expected)
13:31<darius>using same bitrates and other settings
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13:33<darius>kop, it look like my input gets to the device with some distortion.. and device outputs help message
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13:38<darius>i have no pc-pc COM cable, so i cant check what the device getting :/ any ideas how to find a problem?
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13:41<Superpuffy> Linux is for dumb bitches, flunky PC hackers who tried to clone UNIX on the PC, rather than elite UNIX hackers who ported UNIX to the PC proper (the *BSDs and OpenSolaris)
13:41<Superpuffy>/bin/sh: unamee: not found
13:41<Superpuffy>OpenBSD 4.7 LAPPY-BIG#0 i386
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13:45<Lantizia>Can anyone tell if the following /etc/postfix/ -->
13:46<Lantizia>Is "No configuration", "Internet Site", "Internet with smarthost", "Satellite system" or "Local only"
13:46<Lantizia>I know it's a default configuration file... but I'm not sure which option was picked when installing via APT to get it
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13:47<hfr>this is propably "Local only"
13:47<Lantizia>That's what I thought
13:47<Lantizia>Will try it and see if they match
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13:50<Lantizia>You loose try your luck again :) It's a new game this
13:50<kop>Lantizia: You could just dpkg-reconfigure postfix. The defaults are what you chose before.
13:50<Lantizia>I'm going for No Configuration next
13:51<Lantizia>Thanks kop! then it is No Configuration! wooo!
13:52<Lantizia>hmm no configuration gives me literally nothing in that file
13:52<darius>tested 5 com ports on 3 pcs, everyone worked jus ok, except that one :/ so i think thats not a devices fault
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14:03<jelqui>hello somebody know of aircrack in broadcom bcm4312 with lp-hpy
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14:05<locklace>jelqui: what version of debian
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14:15<ebrahim>jelqui, yes, hello.
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14:15<jelqui> hello somebody know of aircrack in broadcom bcm4312 with lp-hpy
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14:16<jelqui>with kernel and driver b43 ?
14:17<jelqui>not wl driver ?
14:17<ebrahim>jelqui, I remeber using aricrack-ng with my b43 driver without any problem.
14:18<ebrahim>but I don't remember the details.
14:19<jelqui>yes. me too. but my problem is with my card
14:19<jelqui>is bcm4312 LP-HPY
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14:29<darius>on what chipset com-port is?
14:29<darius>how to track what driver ttyS0 uses?
14:30<darius>or is there any configuration for ttyS ?
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14:39<darius>well... i understand... its not like everyone uses serial ports nowdays.. :/
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14:45<retrospectacus>I sometimes use them.. I just start "minicom" and do some messing in the config page to set baud rate and stuff to get it to work
14:45<retrospectacus>what was your problem again?
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14:48<dondelelcaro>darius: you'll actually have better luck using screen, unless you're actually using a modem attached to the serial port
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15:02<butters_>so, knetworkmanager wont connect to anything, wirelessly or otherwise, but i can scan with iwconfig and find cells
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15:07<darius>retrospectacus, my problem was that i cant get any output from my device, and cant get it execute commands, but rx and tx leds blinks on the device. used minicom, made same settings and got same results.. leds blinks but no output...
15:08<darius>dondelelcaro, its not a modem, but how screen should help me? :/
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15:10<petemc>screen works with serial ports
15:10<petemc>screen /dev/ttyS0
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15:11<darius>and how screen will gues what bitrate tu use and how many stop bits should be?
15:12<darius>getting blank console and device does not react to my typing..
15:12<dondelelcaro>darius: screen /dev/ttyS0 38400; for example
15:12<dondelelcaro>darius: if you don't get any response, then there either isn't a serial terminal attached, or you have the wrong bitrate, or the wrong configuration
15:13<dondelelcaro>(of course, if you're using anything besides 8n1, you're crazy)
15:13<darius>amm. how i close the one i opened? :) Ctrl-C does not help
15:13<dondelelcaro>darius: C-a C-k
15:13<dondelelcaro>man screen for details
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15:20<butters_>so, when i run knetwork manager as root, i get the error No protocol specified
15:20<butters_>kdeinit: Can't connect to the X Server.
15:20<butters_>kdeinit: Might not terminate at end of session.
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15:23<darius>dondelelcaro, actualy i use 9600 and 2 stop bits ;) but getting same results as with ser2net :/
15:24<darius>one change.. i cant se what i type with screen command...
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15:29<darius>screen with my settings and usb->com port works ok..
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15:30<darius>ok.. it seems that my enter pressing does not reach the device as \n (that should mean end of command)
15:31<darius>but device recieves something for sure..
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15:52<butters_>i must be really bad at googling, i cant my a solution to my knetworkmanager issues
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15:55<retrospectacus>butters_: don't run X things as root.
15:55<darius>butters_, as i remember prom gnome, starting something graphical with root is a bad idea
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15:55<Flubber>from what I've read apparentely, you add your scripts to the boot-up of linux by editing the '.rclocal' file, is that true? where can i find this file? if not, how do I add my python script to the bootup, so it will execute automatically?
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15:56<butters_>retrospectracus: when i run it as a user, knetworkmanager cant find any network devices
15:56<retrospectacus>Flubber: /msg dpkg rclocal
15:56<themill>butters_: are you in the netdev group?
15:57<butters_>themill: how would i go about knowing that?
15:57<Flubber>retrospectacus, thank you very much.
15:58<themill>butters_: run the command "groups"
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15:58<retrospectacus>Flubber: dpkg knows a lot. Enjoy :)
15:58<Flubber>retrospectacus, smart bot as I can see, thanks.
15:58<butters_>rerospectacus: im in netdev
15:59<alwaysready>i need some help with my bt4 please
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15:59<johnfg>hi guys
15:59<alwaysready>hi john
15:59<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
15:59<johnfg>Can one do an upgrade from a local source file via dpkg?
16:00<johnfg>Specifically, I want to upgrade virtualbox to the latest version, but when I do dpkg -i, it conflicts with the previous version.
16:00<johnfg>I installed with dpkg, not apt-get.
16:00<themill>dpkg: tell johnfg about bat
16:01<themill>johnfg: can you please pastebin the things dpkg suggested
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16:03<butters_>so, im in the netdev group
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16:05<dv->The kernels in experimental don't support encryption or what? I get /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for / (is /dev mounted?).
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16:06<johnfg> here's the output.
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16:08<johnfg>I know I can just remove the earlier version, but shouldn't virtualbox be upgradeable?
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16:09<ml|>if you use vbox's repo yes, then use aptitude as usual
16:10<themill>johnfg: yes it should be upgradable, presuming that their packages aren't complete crap.
16:10<darius>is there a way to dump everything i recieve on ttyS0 ? as tx led blinks, i know i get something, but nothing shows up in telnet or screen sessions... :/
16:10<johnfg>I can still use the vbox repo, but I downloaded the .deb file.
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16:12<ml|>if you have the repo, there is no need to download and do dpkg -i
16:12<butters_>is there an alternative to knetworkmanager?
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16:13<themill>butters_: is the network-manager daemon actually running?
16:14<johnfg>thanks guys, gotta run to second job: FedEx.
16:14<johnfg>So, can't be late! The world on time, you know :-)
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16:15<butters_>how do you check for daemons running?
16:15<oddtod>hey guys i'm having an issue where web pages take a really long time to load but on a virtual machine(windows xp) connected to the same network and same DNS its working just fine. I have done a cat /etc/resolv.conf and its the same as my VMXP's dns.
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16:16<darius>oddtod, in that state does the loading teks most time ?
16:17<darius>oddtod, how many browsers did you tested?
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16:18<oddtod>i have tested chrome and FF
16:18<oddtod>darius: i have tested chrome and FF
16:18<darius>oddtod, is wget is slow too?
16:19<oddtod>i haven't verified that i can try
16:19<butters_>okay, the knetworkmanager daemon is running
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16:23<kingsley>How do you send faxes from the command line?
16:23<darius>someone have a logic analyzer to lend for my com port problem? :)
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16:25<oddtod>darius, its almost like its a DNS issue because once a site is loaded i can stream data from that site quite quickly. So like example i was on yesterday and it took 2 minutes to load the page but once there i could change pages and it would load quickly even though it was dynamic content.
16:25<dpkg>HylaFAX is a telecommunication system for UNIX systems, allowing facsimiles to be sent and received. Packaged for Debian as hylafax-server and hylafax-client. #hylafax on
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16:26<oddtod>darius, it also happens when i'm at different locations (EG: Work, home, School)
16:26<themill>!es-social pichar
16:26<dpkg>pichar: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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16:27<darius>oddtod, and what your resolv.conf looks like ?
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16:28<oddtod>darius, there is one line missing but its the #'d line
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16:28<darius>and what happens if you type: dig @ ?
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16:31<kingsley>qq-: Do you use hylafax? If so, so you like it?
16:31<qq->no, get it a try
16:32<qq->mo many ppl use fax this days , here
16:32<butters_>themill: any ideas?
16:32*rgammans has given up on faxes all the faxes we get are spam
16:33<oddtod>rgammans; agreed
16:33<qq->rgammans, and paper consumers
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16:34<tomg>it's possible to have faxes received as tiff images
16:34<themill>butters_: what does "ps axu | grep -i network" say? (stick it in a pastebin, it's likely to be a few lines)
16:34<tomg>but nevermind me
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16:34<retrospectacus>my company uses some kind of service that sends/receives faxes by in PDF format, we get them in the email
16:34<oddtod>tomg; still annoying looking at electronic faxes that are spam. Its worse then email spam cause there isn't a spam filter for them
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16:35<darius>oddtod, and now everything loads ok or problem still exists?
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16:35<oddtod>retrospectacus; there is a company for home and office that is named Efax
16:35<rgammans>qq-: I used - hylafax , so they didn't consume any paper.
16:35<qq->good to now
16:35<retrospectacus>I think the one we use is called MyFax
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16:35<tomg>oddtod: I tend to agree
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16:37<oddtod>darius, things are working just really slowly they take 5-7 seconds to resolve(chromes output states this) and then like 45 seconds on first load of a page. Once its been loaded i can browse that site with ease.
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16:38<darius>oddtod, at what point does wget stuck when trying a web for a first time ?
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16:38<oddtod>darius, just do a wget
16:39<cesurasean>How do I get startx to automatically load gdm at boot up of my computer?
16:39<cesurasean>vi /etc/inittab?
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16:39<themill>butters_: can't see anything wrong there :(
16:39<qq->cesurasean, install gdm
16:39<butters_>: /
16:39<cesurasean>qq-, im running cfce. will gdm work?
16:40<tomg>cesurasean: yes, also you can use wdm
16:40<cesurasean>ok, im going to install gdm
16:40<SirMuh>Hi, i need some help setting up my wlan. I installed the firmware (iwlwifi) and wicd-curses. Than I startet wicd and it worked ... now 5mins+reboot later, the wicd-daemon won't start. Where so i find the right logfile?
16:40<cesurasean>What do I do after I have gdm installed? How do I get my system to load it automatically?
16:40<cesurasean>Do I need to configure gdm to let it know I use xfce?
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16:41<tomg>cesurasean: or xdm, though you'll have to check update-alternatives --config x-session-manager and the same for x-window-manager
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16:41<tomg>cesurasean: not really, no, just pick it under "session", it's probably already done
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16:41<cesurasean>pick it under session, huh?
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16:42<tomg>cesurasean: there'll be some words at the bottom of the GDM screen, one is "Session", you can click on it (or type alt+s) to chose what session or window manager you want to use when you start X
16:42<cesurasean>I installed gdm. How do I get this to load xfce automatically upon reboot? do i need to change any config files?
16:42<tomg>cesurasean: You do nothing
16:43<cesurasean>it will automatically detect and load it?
16:43<tomg>cesurasean: if you only have xfce installed it will start xfce
16:43<tomg>so, yeah
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16:43<butters_>the mill: think this has anything to do with reinstalling xserver/kde recently?
16:43<cesurasean>Ok, Im going to go ahead and test that theory to see if it will work
16:43*tomg cringes and installs GDM to make sure
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16:45<qq->tomg, you right
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16:46<tomg>qq: glad to hear it. about what? gdm automatically starting xfce?
16:47<qq->yes , if it is unique installed
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16:47<calvin>are there any negative side-effects to aliasing less to less -R?
16:48<tomg>calvin: use the LESSOPTIONS envnironment variable
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16:49<tomg>calvin: but to answer your original question, I don't think so
16:49<qq->tomg, but, gdm don't automatically starting xfce before user login
16:49<tomg>calvin: Actually it's the LESS environment variable. see man less for more information
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16:50<calvin>tomg: gotcha, thanks.
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16:50<butters_>well is there atleast a way to connect to my router from bash?
16:50<tomg>calvin: you're welcome
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16:51<tomg>butters: you want to test connectivity as far as your router? what kind of router are you talking about?
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16:51<qq->butters_, ssh ?
16:51<qq->telnet also
16:51<butters_>i dont know if its test connectivity, because i can scan it with iwlist, and was using it just the other day, but now knetwork manager isnt working
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16:52<qq->butters_, use a wired connection
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16:53<butters_>i am using a wired connection currently
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16:54<qq->butters_, quick test , reboot the router
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16:54<butters_>but knetwork manager find any network devices at all
16:54<butters_>cant find*
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16:55<qq->so rebooted the router ?
16:55<tomg>Hi Sirmuh
16:56<tomg>Sirmuh: I don't know enough about wireless to answer your question, or even investigate further
16:56<tomg>butters: I don't know what knetwork manager is, let me look it up
16:57<SirMuh>hm.. kk. nevermind. Anyone lese know something about wicd or wirless-connetions?
16:57<dv->The kernels in experimental don't support encryption or what? I get /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for / (is /dev mounted?). when installing it through apt (yes, /, etc are mounted, ext4)
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17:00<tomg>Sirmuh: How did you install wicd if it's not in Debian?
17:01<qq->dv-, ask in #grub on
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17:02<SirMuh>hm... i guess i'm in the wrong channel than ;) sry
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17:02<smv>dv-, experimental is not a complete repository, it might lack some important things, and the kernels in there aren't always working. beside, if you mixed experimental with unstable, and also updated to the last grub in unstable, you probably got hit by a bug of grub-pc
17:02<butters>rebooting the router didnt help
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17:04<butters>so, potential problems with knetworkmanager?
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17:04<qq->butters, in lenny ?
17:04<tomg>Sirmuh: I didn't mean that, it's just that how you install it tells me where the configuration files are
17:05<qq->butters, you said that it worked before ?
17:06<SirMuh>i just types aptitude wicd ;) "wrong channel" ment, is use Testing :P
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17:07<qq->butters, what kernel use now ?
17:07<qq->uname -r
17:08<qq->and before (when wifi worked ) ?
17:09<marcPV>Hi, I just installed debian 5.04 in my laptop (old ibm pentium M 256Mb) but does not detect wireless network. Any help please?
17:09<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>, <wl>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wimax>.
17:09<butters>uhhh, not sure?
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17:10<dv->smv: It's odd because I've been running 2.6.34 on my laptop since it came out and it works fine
17:10<marcPV>let me see
17:11<tomg>marcpv: T41?
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17:11<kaziem>does anyone have any successful experience installing vpn servers on debian?
17:11<kaziem>I'm bumping into an authentication problem using pptpd
17:11<marcPV>its R51
17:11<qq->butters, try to reboot in your old kernel and see what happens
17:11<marcPV>tomg: R51
17:12<tomg>marcpv: I'm not 100% envious then
17:12<smv>dv-, check the bugs related to grub-pc
17:12<butters>reboot in old kernel?
17:13<marcPV>tomg: sorry, what do you mean?
17:13<qq->butters, yes in 2.6.26
17:14<tomg>marcPV: it's not related to your question, it's just that I'm envious about getting a Thinkpad T41 or 42
17:14<tomg>marcPV: ath5k or ipw2200 is your driver, apparently
17:14<butters>qq, how?
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17:15<tomg>marcPV: or ipw2100... see and examine the links to do with any possible internal wifi cards
17:16<butters>qq, just reboot?
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17:16<marcPV>thank you tomg, let me see
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17:16<qq->tomg, no needs of all that , use "lspci -nn" is better
17:16<tomg>qq-: Stop making sense!
17:17<tomg>qq-: I mean, thank you ;-)
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17:18<tomg>butters: You might be able to pick your old kernels from the GRUB boot menu, do you know what that means?
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17:18<tomg>butters: it's normal to try out old kernels again, that's why there is such a menu
17:20<Lantizia>Hey (unfortunately) I have to install either zend or ioncube for a website... which would you say is the lesser of the two evils and/or the easier to set up in debian?
17:20<qq->!what's my hardware
17:20<dpkg>You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw, or even dmesg to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! If you install lshw, run "lshw -html > myhardware.html" as root and you'll have a nice HTML summation. See also <myram>.
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17:21<qq->marcPV, ^^
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17:23<marcPV>SirMuh is helping me, thanks to all
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17:24<butters_>that didnt yield any positive results : /
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17:25<eightyeight>when using lvreduce, how can i guarantee that the container matches the fs exactly? i'm aware of --resizefs, but it's known to be broken in previous versions. how can i match the fs bit-for-bit?
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17:27<butters_>qq, rebooting in the other kernel didnt make knetworkmanager work
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17:28<qq->butters_, so i'm out off ideas
17:28<butters_>: [
17:28<tomg>butters: what exactly is knetworkmanager and why do you need it?
17:29<qq->butters_, use wired connection for now, until fix your router issue
17:29<butters_>graphical interface that manages all of my network connections, and i need it because im a newb and cant otherwise make connections, especially wireless connections, work
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17:29<butters_>its a router issue?
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17:30<qq->maybe , never said us which router is
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17:31<butters_>it doesnt even see eth1( my wired device), wouldnt that rule out router issues?
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17:32<qq->butters_, why eth1 , how many wired interfaces do you have ?
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17:32<butters_>im using 1?
17:33<qq->then must be eth0
17:33<dpkg>udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address since version 0.090. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Lenny, Squeeze) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>.
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17:34<butters_>no, its eth1
17:34<qq->23:31<qq-> butters_, why eth1 ?
17:34<felixs>eightyeight: resize2fs, called without further arguments, fits the filesystem to the partition/container
17:34<butters_>qq, i dont know, but it says there is no such device as eth0
17:35<eightyeight>felixs: yeah. i understand that. doing 'resize2fs; lvreduce; resize2fs' wasn't as elegant as i had hoped. but it works
17:35<qq->butters_, apply factoid !70 then
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17:37<tomg>oi, that's beyond me
17:38<butters_>qq, would this be causing my problem?
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17:40<qq->for what in missing eth0 , yes
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17:41<qq->s/ for what / for why
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17:44<butters_>qq, theres already something mapped to eth0 in the .rules file
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17:44<darius>hey! where etch repositories gone?! :/
17:46<tomg>and good ... something... I hated etch
17:46<qq->darius, see topic
17:46<darius>and thats a good reason for upgrade :D
17:47<qq->darius, paste /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
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17:47<tomg>qq: you mean butters
17:48<qq->grr , i meant butters_ , sry darius
17:49<inglor>Is there a security from kernel to prevent stacking it? For example if I make a program feeling the memory will it stop sometime or the system will hang?
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17:49<qq->inglor, or try #debian-kernel
17:50<inglor>qq-: oh thanks
17:52<tomg>inglor: Linux doesn't let a program access any memory but its own, this is true for all MMU-capable operating system kernels
17:52<qq->butters_, comment line 7 (put un # ) , and on line 13 change NAME="eth1" in NAME="eth0" , save and reboot
17:52<eightyeight>felixs: just found fsadm. it will do the resize2fs and lvresize in one command, including unmounting if necessary
17:52<tomg>(unless you use special things like MIT shm in order to intentionally share memory)
17:52<eightyeight>felixs: fsadm -ely resize /dev/volume/root 70G
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17:53<tomg>er, nevermind
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17:56<qq->butters_, if no sure, repost it after the modifications are made
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18:00<butters_>right, right?
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18:02<qq->butters_, seems ok
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18:02<tomg>he seems to have eth0 in there twice, is that okay?
18:03<tomg>no wait, one's commented out
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18:03<molinaro>olá pessoal?
18:03*Newb help ppl
18:03<molinaro>olá pessoal!
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18:04<qq->!es-social | molinaro
18:04<dpkg>| molinaro: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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18:04<Newb>did anyone managed to install xchat 2.8.8 on debian '
18:04<qq->, versions xchat
18:04<judd>xchat -- etch: 2.6.8-0.3; lenny: 2.8.6-2.1; squeeze: 2.8.6-6; sid: 2.8.8-1; experimental: 2.8.8-2
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18:05<Newb>how can i isntall the experimental ? backports ?
18:05<qq->Newb, its a bad things
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18:05<Newb>i used it on ubuntu, had no problems, :S
18:05<dpkg>[backport] a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), . Ask me about <> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
18:05<Newb>but for future knowladge
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18:06<bzed>Newb: I doubt you have 2.8.8 on ubuntu.
18:06*Newb very confused :S , that experimental isint avaiable ?
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18:06<Newb>no no , you can add a rep
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18:06<qq->!tell Newb about experimental
18:06<Newb>please do
18:06<bzed>Newb: you want to learn abit about what stable is and whatnot first.
18:06<bzed>Newb: and then learn to make a backport if you really really really need it
18:07<Newb>i just want to know if experimental can be installed in any way ?
18:07<Newb>just want to learn bzed
18:07<Newb>sid refers to what ?
18:07<qq->!tell Newb about sid
18:07<qq->!tell Newb about testing
18:07<qq->!tell Newb about stable
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18:08<qq->!tell Newb about stay on stable
18:08<qq->!tell Newb about grounding
18:08<@Ganneff>qq-: use /msg
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18:08<Newb>guys dont wonder off please
18:09<Newb>is there anyway to install 2.8.8 or not ?
18:09<Newb>thats my 1000 dollar question please
18:09<Newb>so one last thing, why does it appear there ?
18:09<Newb>when you did, xchat versions :S
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18:10<Newb>, versions xchat
18:10<judd>xchat -- etch: 2.6.8-0.3; lenny: 2.8.6-2.1; squeeze: 2.8.6-6; sid: 2.8.8-1; experimental: 2.8.8-2
18:10<Newb>and everyone left me :S
18:10<qq->Newb, /msg dpkg sns
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18:11<butters_>qq, what are the chances that that was my usb device?
18:12<butters_>or maybe im just a newb
18:12<qq->rephrase please
18:12<qq->butters_, now eth0 is ok ?
18:13<qq->ok, and wifi ?
18:13<butters_>what about it?
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18:14<tomg>Newb: if you really want xchat 2.8.8 download the source and compile it
18:15<Newb>thank you, i moved on...
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18:15<Newb>know, im trying to mount my hdd
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18:16<Newb>Invalid mount option when attempting to mount the volume
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18:17<Newb>can anyone give me some pointers please
18:17<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
18:18<Newb>i have a problem i cant mount my HDD
18:18<Newb>i get an error, Invalid mount option when attempting to mount the volume
18:18<retrospectacus>and what is the command you are using to try and mount it??
18:19<Newb>im using something that i added to my topbar
18:19<Newb>i added to my pannel the widget diskmounter
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18:20<butters_>okay, so is there an easy way to connect to my router wirelessly with just bash?
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18:21<tomg>butters: Probably, but I don't know what you mean by your question
18:22<simonrvn>with just bash? gee, did you write a bash script yet for that?
18:22<butters_>um, sorry, im new to this, which is why i depended on networkmanager
18:22<butters_>: c
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18:23<dpkg>The wireless-tools package provides utilities for manipulating Linux Wireless Extensions, including iwconfig and iwlist. It also provides wireless-* ifupdown hooks to /etc/network/interfaces, read /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian for more information. To connect to networks which use WPA encryption, ask me about <wpa>.
18:23<dpkg>i guess wicd is Wireless Interface Connection Daemon, a wired and <wireless connection manager>. A backported package is available for Lenny, ask me about <bpo>. See also <netdev>. #wicd on
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18:25<tomg>oops, I didn't know what wicd was and that other guy thought he might be in the wrong place then
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18:25<rottenrec>can you format a disk in HFS using fdisk?
18:26<rottenrec>i saw references on the web to mac-fdisk, but i couldn't find it in apt-cache
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18:26<petemc>fdisk manages partitions, it doesnt create filesystems
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18:27<rottenrec>i thought you could format the partitions you create using fdisk
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18:28<petemc>you'll want to install hfsprogs for mkfs.hfs
18:28<rottenrec>alright, i'll check that out. thanks
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18:30<rottenrec>petemc: what does it mean when apt-get says a package cannot be authenticated?
18:31<rottenrec>is that normal?
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18:32<petemc>try installing debian-keyring
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18:33<rottenrec>do you have that installed, or is that just for the overly paranoid?
18:34<petemc>its not a bad idea
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18:35<petemc>you might want debian-archive-keyring instead, i cant recall
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18:38<rottenrec>do i need to install apt-secure also?
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18:47<tomg_>I can't access my Mac OS X partition anymore... the results of the file command say there is still an HFS+ filesystem on /dev/sda2
18:48<tomg_>maybe I clobbered it somehow at the same time I clobbered my boot record with syslinux instead of Refit
18:48<edbian>qq-, Owner, group ?
18:49<jordanm>edbian: the same as the user who its for...
18:49<jordanm>group doesn't matter since they don't have access anyways
18:49<tomg_>I can't access my HFS+ filesystem from hmount or hpmount, they both return errors. Does anyone have an idea on how to access my Mac OS X partition?
18:50<jordanm>tomg_: the apple channel might be helpful for that
18:50<tomg_>oh, there's an apple channel
18:50<jordanm>yeah, it might deal mostly with OS X though, not sure
18:51<qq->edbian, $User:$User
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18:52<butters_>jordanm, is there a chance that after reinstalling kde and xserver and whatnot yesterday that it would break knetworkmanager?
18:52<edbian>qq-, Thanks
18:52<edbian>root owned mine for some reason
18:52<tomg_>uhm, where is this apple channel?
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18:52<jordanm>"sudo nano" maybe?
18:52<jordanm>tomg_: I believe its ##apple on
18:53<tomg_>oi, thank you
18:53<petemc>tomg_: tried mount -t hfsplus ... ?
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18:53<tomg_>mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda2,
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18:54<qq->tomg_, try higher partition number /dev/sda3 ,4
18:55<petemc>check output of fdisk -l
18:55<petemc>also install hfsplus package
18:55<tomg_>I'll show you guys a pastebin responding to all that in a second
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18:58<tomg_>maybe it's not really an HFS plus filesystem, I'm new at this
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19:00<tomg>so, I already tried those things
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19:01<petemc>tomg: it tried to mount it then failed, you might want to google for debian hfs: failed to load extents file
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19:02<tomg>okay, I'm working on it
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19:04<tomg>I think I clobbered the superblock
19:05<petemc>if you have an osx cd you could see what disk utility makes of it, or failing that disk warrior
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19:05<tomg>actually I'm not sure about that last part, because this other guy's dmesg definitely said that it couldn't read the superblock, but mine doesn't
19:06<tomg>I do have the CDs, and I tried disk utility, but it just gives me two unknown partitions
19:07<petemc>what did you do to get where you are?
19:08<tomg>so many months back I resized the Mac OS X partition to half and lost everything on the harddisk, but it didn't matter much because no one was using it
19:09<tomg>that is, I divided the harddisk in half and had two partitions, uhm, what Mac calls partitions, fdisk sees three including the mini EFI one
19:09<petemc>WARNING: GPT (GUID Partition Table) detected on '/dev/sda'! The util fdisk doesn't support GPT. Use GNU Parted.
19:09<tomg>I installed Mac OS X on the first partition and used it happily for many months. I installed rEFIt on Mac OS X and used it to boot
19:10<tomg>I installed Knoppix on the second partition and dual booting worked, if slowly. I later installed Debian etch on the second partition and dual boot still worked. I upgraded it to lenny and dual boot still worked. I did some module-assistant type things and installed different kernels and got the nvidia driver working and rEFIt disappeared, but I could still boot Debian 5.0 for some reason
19:11<petemc>sounds messy
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19:13<tomg>yeah, I clobbered the boot partition somehow when messing around with kernels under Debian 5.0, though I don't know how that happened because I didn't intentionally mess with bootloaders... maybe one of those many packages I installed without paying attention, most likely with module-assistant, installed itself to my MBR
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19:16<tomg>I figure I'll use magicrescue or something, I didn't have tonnes on the drive and most of what I did have I backed up regularly
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19:17<tomg>I think using parted removed syslinux from my boot sector somehow
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19:19<tomg>well, I'm gone for now, thank you
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19:21<butters_>so, could someone help me connect to my wireless?
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19:22<jordanm>butters_: what's the problem?
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19:23<butters_>knetworkmanager cant find any network devices at all
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19:44<butters_>jordanm, any ideas?
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19:49<kingsley>butters_: Have you ever successfully connected to your wireless before?
19:49<jordanm>butters_: kdesu knetworkmanager?
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19:50<jordanm>butters_: I do recall seeing something earlier
19:51<kingsley>butters_: You may want to ask on the #networking channel.
19:51<butters_>i have successfully connected to my wireless before, and can scan and see cells with iwlist
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19:52<kingsley>butters_: Is iwlist running on the same computer that does not find any network devices with knetworkmanager?
19:53<butters_>jordanm: it still cant find any network devices
19:53<jordanm>butters_: do there appear with ifconfig?
19:53<butters_>kingsley: yes
19:54<butters_>jordanm: my network devices do appear in ifconfig
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19:55<kingsley>butters_: Have you searched Google's indices to see if anyone else has had trouble finding network devices with knetworkmanager, and if so, how they resolved it?
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19:57<jordanm>butters_: pastebin: apt-cache policy network-manager-kde network-manager
19:59<butters_>there we go
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20:00<kingsley>butters_: I think you might be interested in
20:01<jordanm>butters_: anything about network-manager in /var/log/daemon.log? is it running (pgrep network-manager)?
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20:02<jordanm>so much noise on their bug site...
20:02<butters_>problem doesnt happen after suspends
20:03<jordanm>that might as well be a forum post...
20:04<jordanm>butters_: suspend fixes it?
20:04<butters_>jordanm: no, but the second bug report made it sound like he only got the porblem after a suspend
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20:05<kingsley>butters_: I'm leaving. Good luck.
20:05<jordanm>butters_: what about my last questions?
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20:07<butters_>jordanm: i looked through the log, and i dont think there was anything about network manager
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20:11<jordanm>butters_: are you opposed to using something else?
20:11<butters_>jordanm: not really
20:12<bremner>the network manager applet from gnome works fine in KDE
20:12<bremner>or wicd is another option
20:12<jordanm>butters_: I think either one of bremner's suggestions are good
20:13<butters_>all right, should i remove knetworkmanager first?
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20:19<MTecknology>wicd is amazing
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20:21<icebrain>especially wicd-curses :)
20:22<terr_>I'm trying to run the "dropbox" application. I know I will probably hate it! I apparently need /lib/ version GLIBC_2.4 How can I patch around this or how can I install it?
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20:23<terr_>muuli: lo
20:23<jordanm>terr_: simply recompiling it on your system with your libs could do it
20:24<terr_>jordanm: I don't want to do that.
20:24<icebrain>jordanm: dropbox isn't OSS
20:24<icebrain>at least it wasn't
20:24<jordanm>I see on their website they distribute a .tar.gz to compile
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20:24<icebrain>jordanm: that's only the nautilus extensions, afaik
20:24<terr_>icebrain: I know - Others want to use this because they can't figuree out how to simply use winscp
20:24<goodger>jordanm: it contains a nautilus plugin and, from what I can see, nothing else
20:25<terr_>jordanm: no - its full of .si'
20:25<jordanm>sounds like a much better plan to me than install .debs compiled on a ubuntu system
20:25<terr_>where can I find glibc version 2.4?
20:25<jordanm>terr_: you don't want to change your system's C libraries
20:26<terr_>I do have but its version 2.3
20:26<jordanm>typically that would only occur on an upgrade to a new release
20:26<terr_>jordanm: no - I misunderstood and thought you were suggesting rebuilding the whole system.
20:26<jordanm>terr_: no, just compiling the application on your system...
20:26<terr_>jordanm: this machine is not stable! An upgrade went bad. I have to do a clean re-install
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20:27<terr_>jordanm: where can I find it? There seems to be no package
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20:27<jordanm>others mentioned that its not all of it, but I don't see anything indicating that on the download page
20:28<terr_>jordanm: E: Couldn't find package
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20:28<icebrain>terr_: package is glibc, probably
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20:29<terr_>E: Couldn't find package glibc
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20:29<icebrain>wait, that's the source
20:29<icebrain>it's libc6
20:29<icebrain>, versions libc6
20:29<judd>libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1; etch-security: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1; lenny: 2.7-18lenny1; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny4; squeeze: 2.11.1-3; sid: 2.11.2-1
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20:31<jordanm>terr_: your running etch?
20:31<terr_>icebrain: I'm ggoing to have to do a source install.
20:31<terr_>jordanm: I'm on sarge still.
20:31<icebrain>terr_: you should upgrade, right now
20:31<terr_>locales 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge4
20:31<icebrain>sarge is terribly outdated
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20:31<terr_>icebrain: I don't dare!
20:31<terr_>icebrain: when I went from woody to sarg it got badly borken.
20:31<icebrain>why? backup *everything* *twice* and do ti!
20:32<terr_>icebrain: I've been just keeping it running in its broken form until I can set up a whole new machine.
20:32<kristianpaul>mkfs.ext2: /lib/ version `BLKID_2.17' not found (required by mkfs.ext2)
20:32<icebrain>I wouldn't simply upgrade, I'd install fresh
20:32<terr_>sarge is borken.
20:32<kristianpaul>Help please i'm hurry, i dint expect i cant format ext2 (i'm running squeeze btw)
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20:33<terr_>icebrain: I have another machien and HDD but I have to figure out how to boot it from a usb stick
20:33<icebrain>go to the bios and enable it?
20:33<icebrain>unless it doesn't support usb booting
20:33<terr_>icebrain: its safer for me to rebuild
20:33<terr_>icebrain: its probably enabled in the bios. I have to build the boot image
20:33<icebrain>terr_: rebuild and install libc? "safe"?
20:34<terr_>icebrain: to just rebuild libc should be safe
20:34<icebrain>if there's binary breakage, you'll probably bork the other packages
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20:35<icebrain>you could install libc in another path (/opt/lib?) and then use it just for dropbox...
20:35<terr_>icebrain: what happened is that between woody and sarge one of the libs got out of sync and wait() is no longer being called by a number of applications including firefox.
20:35<jordanm>kristianpaul: you need to be more specific
20:35<terr_>so I end up with 100's of zoombies
20:35<terr_>icebrain: yes I can. but I need to find it.
20:35<kristianpaul>jordanm: how i can format a partition in ext2
20:36<kristianpaul>jordanm: i tried mkfs.ext2 and got mke2fs: /lib/ version `BLKID_2.17' not found (required by mke2fs)
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20:37<jordanm>kristianpaul: install libblkid1?
20:37<terr_>icebrain: version 2.7 shouild be fine. I presume open the tarball, do a make then make install?
20:37<icebrain>terr_: I have no idea
20:37<kristianpaul>jordanm: is installed with the last version
20:38<icebrain>but presumably there's specific instruction to compile source debs
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20:38<jordanm>kristianpaul: pastebin: apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy e2fsprogs libc6 libblkid1
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20:39<icebrain>terr_: see
20:39<icebrain>terr_: 7.14: How do I build binary packages from a source package?
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20:40<butters_>so i have the gnome networkmanager applet running, but it cant find any wireless networks
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20:41<dvs>butters_: you dont have your own?
20:41<butters_>dvs: have my own?
20:41<jordanm>kristianpaul: your pretty out of date for being the mirror
20:42<terr_>well - I see where I installed 2.3 Oct 3 2002!
20:42<kristianpaul>jordanm: ahh
20:42<kristianpaul>jordanm: wait
20:42<dvs>butters_: what are you trying to connect it to?
20:42<butters_>dvs: my router
20:42<icebrain>!beat terr_
20:42*dpkg beats terr_ with a large stick.
20:43<dvs>butters_: do you know what chipset your computer has?
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20:43<terr_>icebrain: I have glibc-2.3.tar.gz
20:44<icebrain>terr_: you should get the official debian source releases...
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20:44<terr_>icebrain: I'm there now
20:44<icebrain>in fact, you could use apt-source
20:44<icebrain>just put a lenny mirror for deb-src
20:45<dpkg>rumour has it, deb-src is 'deb-src http://ftp.<cc> <release> main contrib non-free' (example) where '<cc>' is the Country Code, replace with your own for a local mirror - ask me about <source> or <apt-build> for some info about how to build stuff, make sure "build-essential" is installed, ask me about <module-assistant>. Might need to have linux-headers-$(uname -r) (if using a Debian kernel) and libc6-dev installed.
20:46<butters_>dvs: atheros 168c:002a
20:46<terr_>icebrain: 2.4.18-bf2.4 is it even compatible with this kernel?
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20:46<icebrain>terr_: I have no idea, it's your frankenstein!
20:46*jordanm thought 2.6.18 was old
20:47<terr_>jordanm: very old!
20:47<butters_>the gnome networkmanager cant find any network devices either
20:47<dvs>, pci-id 168c:002a
20:47<butters_>: /
20:47<judd>[168c:002a] is 'AR928X Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express)' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'ath9k' in sid. See also
20:47<jordanm>terr_: notice my 6 :)
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20:47<terr_>jordanm: icebrain its been doing its job!
20:47<dvs>butters_: if you're using lenny, you're outta luck
20:48<kristianpaul>jordanm: done , thanks mirroning again now :)
20:48<jordanm>butters_: move on to wicd, get rid of network-manager altogether
20:48<jordanm>dvs: wicd is in backports
20:48<icebrain>terr_: "if it works don't fix it" can be a terrible advice
20:48<dvs>jordanm: and ath9k?
20:48<jordanm>kristianpaul: updating fixed it?
20:48<jordanm>dvs: also in backports kernel
20:49<terr_>icebrain: If the upgrade to sarge had worked I would have upgraded years ago. Its badly broken. If it breaks totally I'm in real trouble.
20:49<kristianpaul>jordanm: yes i resintalled the packgae from debian repo, now running debmirror to update mine
20:49<jordanm>terr_: no backups in all this time?
20:49<icebrain>terr_: backup, backup again, once more, then install lenny from scratch and copy the old data
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20:50<terr_>jordanm: icebrain yes I have backups - on my dlt7000!
20:50<terr_>icebrain: I already have another computer
20:51<icebrain>terr_: then install lenny on it, copy the data, then install dropbox
20:51<terr_>icebrain: I just don't want to undertake the upgrade right now. I should be able to just install glibc for dropbox... but what a pain.
20:51<terr_>why didn't they just set the files up so I can use wget?
20:51<jordanm>terr_: libc is a "core" system lib
20:52<terr_>jordanm: I know what it is.
20:52<icebrain>terr_: because they want to control your access to their service
20:52<icebrain>terr_: you can always pay for an FTP drive
20:52<terr_>icebrain: I have ftp if I want it. I use scp, rsync and so forth
20:53<icebrain>terr_: then why do you need dropbox
20:53<terr_>icebrain: its the others who don't know how to use ftp, scp, cyberduck and so forth and winscp.
20:53<terr_>icebrain: because its got some files in it that I need access to for a project I'm working on.
20:54<terr_>icebrain: one of our guys went to dropbox and now everyone things its the cat's meow.
20:54<terr_>icebrain: all they needed to do was install cyberduck and winscp and they could have dropped the files into my severs.
20:54<icebrain>there's a webclient
20:54<icebrain>it's annoying, but you can download and upload from the website
20:55<terr_>icebrain: that is what I want to do! I didn't see it!
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20:55<icebrain>oh, he. Just login to dropbox...
20:55<terr_>icebrain: I see it now - I'm blind I guess. It requires javascript!
20:56<icebrain>terr_: oh, yes, I'm afraid it's very "ajaxy"
20:56<icebrain>you're running Phoenix, right? XD
20:56<terr_>icebrain: I'm not surprised. Windows centric thinking. Most of our people are on macs.
20:57<icebrain>why? doesn't Safari have Javascript?...
20:57<terr_>icebrain: I'm not on safari. I'm on firefox and debian.
20:57<icebrain>it works fine in debian too
20:57<terr_>icebrain: Apparently it seems safari worked.
20:58<butters_>okay, so how do i get wicd up and running?
20:59<terr_>icebrain: now dropbox will not even come up!
20:59<icebrain>butters_: write wicd-client in the console, or make a shortcut if you use gnome
20:59<icebrain>terr_: what? the site?
20:59<terr_>icebrain: yes - the site!
21:00<icebrain>terr_: it's just
21:00<terr_>icebrain: yes! Seems w/o javascript it worked.
21:01<butters_>ok, wicd cant find any wireless devices
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21:03<dvs>butters_: you need a backported kernel as well
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21:04<butters_>dvs: i have one
21:04<dvs>butters_: what version?
21:04<terr_>icebrain: jordanm damn - I need a 2.6 kernel too!
21:04<jordanm>dvs: from what I got, everything works cli..
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21:08<butters_>so then wicd should be working?
21:08<butters_>or do i have a driver problem?
21:08<terr_>icebrain: I think I know what is going on. dropbox is timing out. They are probably interfacing with google advertising and doubleclick and I firewall that crap
21:08<icebrain>terr_: nope, according to NoScript there's no external scripts
21:08<icebrain>only in there
21:08<terr_>icebrain: it came up with a message: Still working
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21:09<icebrain>butters_: have you unninstalled network-manager?
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21:10<butters_>icebrain: pretty sure
21:10<icebrain>butters_: then it shouldn't conflict... maybe you do have a drivers problem. But I can't help you, sorry
21:11<icebrain>terr_: I have to go. Hope it works out
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21:12<butters_>is there a particular driver i need to get from somewhere? why would it just stop working, since it was working a couple of days ago?
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21:14<dvs>butters_: from the backported kernel.
21:14<dvs>butters_: lsmod | grep atk9k
21:14<dvs>butters_: lsmod | grep ath9k
21:16<butters_>dvs: did you want to see the results?
21:16<dvs>butters_: does it print anything?
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21:23*dpkg deftly decants a fine Jever for dvs
21:24<butters_>is there a way to make wicd run every boot?
21:25<dvs>i though that's what a daemon was for
21:25<jordanm>butters_: you can probably add it to kde's autostart folder
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21:29<butters_>jordanm: what exactly do i put in the autostart folder?
21:31<jordanm>butters_: what did you need to run to get to the taskbar?
21:31<jordanm>butters_: and you might want to check, I don't run kde, I believe it is actually Autostart
21:32<butters_>jordanm: i assume its this /home/username/.kde/Autostart ?
21:33<butters_>jorndanm: do i just put a script in there?
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21:33<jordanm>butters_: the wicd daemon will start automatically, shouldn't be a need for a script
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21:34<butters_>jordanm: so then is there a need to put anything in the autostart folder?
21:34<jordanm>if you need the client to autostrat when you login
21:35<butters_>jordanm: so u just put a shortcut to the binary i there?
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21:46<jordanm>butters_: the link says to make an application shortcut.. i don't use kde
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22:06<terr_>jordanm: finally - dropbox started working. Its fine and does the job. I'm really not interested in xfering many files this way and the web interface is good enough for me. If I want something better we'll start using rsync. One thing I don't like about the dropbox is the exposure of our documents.
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22:54<muuli>how i can install yaird
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22:56<muuli>dpkg -i
22:56<dpkg>muuli: are you smoking crack?
22:56<_qq->aptitude install yaird
22:57<_qq->not, apt-get use aptitude
22:59<muuli>i have thought one does about dpkg
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23:02<sisk>is there any reason to use amd64 over i386 on a system with only 2gb of RAM?
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23:09<qq->sisk, no , amd64 use more memory then i386
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---Logclosed Fri Jun 25 00:00:38 2010