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00:25<Moksha>boa noite
00:25<Moksha>preciso de ajuda
00:25<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
00:26<Moksha>esse canal é de que país?
00:26<dr|z3d>We speak English, Moksha. Like dpkg just informed you. :)
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00:27<debian>Hello there.
00:27<debian>I need help, I've arrived at the nVidia config page for debian however,
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00:27<Guest1562>When I do apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-common it says Could not find package nvidia-kernel-common
00:27<Guest1562>How can I fix this?
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00:28<Guest1562>I'm using Debian Lenny.
00:29<dr|z3d>Guest1556: Sounds like you need to add non-free or somesuch to your list of repositories.
00:29<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see . If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
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00:29<Guest1562>dr|z3d, I'm at that website
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00:29<Guest1562>Doesn't work...
00:30<Guest1562>It used to.
00:30<Guest1562>Perhaps, I'm doing something wrong :\
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00:33<Guest1562>When I add the non free repo I get
00:33<Guest1562>Package nvidia-kernel-common is not available, but is referred to by another package.
00:33<Guest1562>This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
00:33<Guest1562>is only available from another source
00:33<Guest1562>E: Package nvidia-kernel-common has no installation candidate
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00:34<Guest1562>No one can help?
00:34<chealer>Guest1562: are you sure you have contrib sources?
00:35<Guest1562>I do.
00:35<Guest1562>deb lenny-backports main contrib non-free
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00:36<Guest1562> <--- My Apt Source.list thingy.
00:37<Guest1562>The following information may help to resolve the situation:
00:37<Guest1562>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
00:37<Guest1562> nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-2-686: Depends: nvidia-kernel-common (>= 20050829) but it is not installable
00:37<Guest1562>E: Broken packages
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00:37<Guest1562>Sorry :S
00:38<chealer>Guest1562: you need contrib and non-free lenny sources, not just backports
00:38<Guest1562>I think I have them all, Did you goto that pastebin address?
00:40<craigevil>Guest1562: add contrib non-free to deb lenny main
00:40<Guest1562>er, type what I'm supposed to paste for me please :S
00:40<craigevil>deb lenny main contrib non-free is what it should look like
00:41<Guest1562>Ah, it works now :)
00:41<Guest1562>Thanks :D
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00:58<Na5Ut4>i have a question to Bug#566891
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02:02<twb>ionice(1) works for new commands.
02:02<twb>How can I re-ionice an existing process?
02:03<twb>Oh, I see, the manpage synopsis is just misleading.
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02:07<Recku>Hello I've a problem with mplayer and smplayer subtitles encoding
02:08<Recku>I try all variants but they didn't work
02:09<Recku>and mplayer have a serious error which I can't see because the windows is being suddenly closed
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02:10<Recku>so which other player I can install (exclude vlc because on Lenny derivate subtitles aren't implemented)
02:11<Recku>or another?
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02:14<dr|z3d>Recku: Try them all, see what works for you.. totem's another one to try.
02:14<twb>Can apt-get manipulate aptitude's "markauto" status yet?
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02:21<garrett_>i need help with grub
02:22<chealer>Recku: a xine-lib-based or gstreamer-based one. which desktop environment do you use?
02:24<garrett_>can anyone help me with grub?
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02:24<dr|z3d>garrett_: You haven't told us your issue.. let's start with that..
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02:25<Recku>I've tryed kmplayer but the can't read subtitles... it seems that this option isn't implemented yet....
02:25<Recku>I'm gonna try totem
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02:25<garrett_>grub wont let me use my windows installation and i updated grub
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02:28<dr|z3d>garrett_: So you ran grub-update and it failed to see your windows partition?
02:29<dr|z3d>*update-grub, rather.
02:31<dr|z3d>garrett_: Please, talk to me here, not via pm.
02:31<dr|z3d>So grub sees Windows, but Windows won't boot..
02:31<garrett_>i dont know how to type ur name
02:31<dr|z3d>What happens when you try?
02:32<dr|z3d>garrett_: type dr <tab>
02:32<garrett_>dr|z3d, i select it, the screen goes blank, then grub comes back up
02:33<dr|z3d>Have you tried booting off the Windows cd and into console mode, and running fixmbr and fixboot commands?
02:34<garrett_>dr|z3d, i have dont that a million times and it never works
02:35<dr|z3d>Ok. What about attempting a repair?
02:36<garrett_>dr|z3d, i try that but it erases all my data
02:36<dr|z3d>Sounds to me like grub is fine, but your windows install is hosed.
02:36<dr|z3d>garrett_: A repair shouldn't do. In any event, this is a windows issue.. you should seek more targetted help in ##windows on freenode.
02:36<garrett_>dr|z3d, it shouldnt, it was working before i installed ubuntu
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02:37<dr|z3d>So, you're asking for Windows support subsequent to an Ubuntu install. Double no no. *chuckle*
02:37<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
02:37<garrett_>dr|z3d, haha i know, i just want my windows back and then ubuntu is gone
02:38<simonrvn>so you know... so why are you here?
02:38<dr|z3d>Fine. Ask in the right place, you may well achieve that result. I can't help you any more here, sorry.
02:38<garrett_>dr|z3d, it fine. thanks for trying
02:39<simonrvn>s,can't,won't, ;)
02:39<garrett_>dr|z3d, whats the channels name?
02:39<simonrvn>he told you already
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02:40<dr|z3d>garrett_: See above ^
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02:40<garrett_>dr|z3d, well i cant find it
02:42<garrett_>dr|z3d, found it thank you
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03:00<Ouro>anyone have experience with playing bluray?
03:01<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
03:03<Ouro>yeah, i know... just wondering how painful the process is these days, since i do not have a drive with which to test yet... i found the ubuntu guide, but it seems much more involved than e.g. playing dvd
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03:17<EmleyMoor>I have two Ethernet cards - how can I force one to have the default route?
03:18<EmleyMoor>(the one I want as default has a static address defined in the Debian configs - the other DHCP)
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03:21<Ouro>EmleyMoor: use "route add ..."
03:21<EmleyMoor>Ouro: route del more like ... it was showing defaults via both cards
03:22<Ouro>yeah, sure, so what is the problem?
03:22<Ouro>you want this to happen automatically?
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03:23<EmleyMoor>The route via eth2 was taking priority - this puts me behind NAT. I want that default route deleted automatically, or not added
03:23<EmleyMoor>(I am puzzled as to why it's not eth1 - but that's a lesser issue)
03:24<Ouro>well, i dont know if it is possible to do this in /etc/network/interfaces, but you can add a script into /etc/if.up.d that removes the route once the second interface is brought up
03:24<Ouro>kind of ghetto, but should work
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03:28<EmleyMoor>Is it possible to have multiple gateways, tried in order?
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03:31<Ouro>, | these might help
03:31<Ouro>also possibly using iptables, but i have not tried any of these personally
03:33<Ouro> <-- this links also shows how to add "post up" rules to /etc/network/interfaces
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03:38<pavi>whats the current size of all the packages in squeeze ?
03:38<pavi>I mean if someone wants to download entire squeeze packages
03:41<EmleyMoor>Would a static address stanza with no "gateway" line be of help to me?
03:42<twb>pavi: for which architectures, categories, and sections? Including source packages?
03:42<craigevil>pavi: probably about the same as sid, Debian Distro Stats on sid... 29812 packages, 2155 maintainers, 96139 MB installed size, 35920 MB compressed size
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03:42<craigevil>not sure how up to date that is, if you do dstats testing it still shows lenny as testing
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03:49<Ouro>EmleyMoor: you can not specify a default gateway for your static interface, but you wanted to disable the one on the dhcp interface?
03:50<pavi>twb, nopes just i386 without source packages
03:50<Ouro>if you want to remove the dhcp gateway, i think you have to add a "post-up" line or else configure this on the dhcp server somehow
03:51<EmleyMoor>I have gone "all static"
03:52<EmleyMoor>(don't actually need dhcp)
03:52<Ouro>ah, then yeah, just specify the default gateway on one of them and you are golden
03:52<Ouro>unless you want to do that round-robin thing
03:52<EmleyMoor>Ouro: I am hoping it's not necessary to do anything else... though in a failover situation it might be
03:53<EmleyMoor>I need the private interface mainly for maintenance and file serving to a Windows box
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03:55<EmleyMoor>(the Windows box is to be moved to private later today)
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04:00<EmleyMoor>It all depends if the router can cope with normally non-NAT addresses when the link fails over to mobile
04:01<Ouro>i am confused about your setup now
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04:01<EmleyMoor>I have a public /28 and a private /24
04:02<Ouro>is it like this: [win]<--->[debian]<--->[router]<--->[world] ?
04:02<EmleyMoor>Ouro: Not quite
04:02<EmleyMoor>Router has both private and public networks - both on wire and private also on wireless
04:03<Ouro>so you want failover between private on wired and wireless?
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04:04<EmleyMoor>Ouro: No - the failover is for the outside link (DSL, failover to 3.5G)
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04:05<DasUberJohan>has anyone else had an issue with the screen resolution after a reboot with the nvidia driver installed? Also the screen brightness seems to want to continuously go back up to the max brightness setting after turning it down.
04:05<EmleyMoor>Not sure if public addresses will be handled correctly in that situation anyway - but if not and it does fail, it will be necessary to switch the default route on all three Debians
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04:05<Ouro>i wonder how you will know that the link has actually failed??
04:06<EmleyMoor>Ouro: If the DSL goes down, the router would automatically call the 3.5G service
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04:07<Ouro>so are you running debian on this router?
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04:07<EmleyMoor>Ouro: No - it's proprietary
04:08<Ouro>so why would you need to do failover on the debian clients? this should just work assuming that the router knows how to do it?
04:09<EmleyMoor>Ouro: Not even the manufacturer's support were certain what would happen to public IP addresses on my side when it happens.
04:09<EmleyMoor>I will be doing a test at some point soon
04:09<Ouro>well it is possible that existing connections will break
04:09<Ouro>but you cant do much about this on the client side anyway
04:10<EmleyMoor>Ouro: True. Anyway, it will be tested, using my phone as the modem, one day later this week
04:11<EmleyMoor>If successful I will look into getting a suitable modem on a suitably cheap basis
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04:11<Ouro>yeah i dont see how existing connections can continue to work... presumbaly there will be two different public IPs for these links?
04:12<EmleyMoor>Ouro: Yes
04:12<Ouro>yeah, so obivously that will not work, but new connections should work fine
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04:27<russian_ulysses_>hello, just updated my squeeze and linux-base fails to configure itself with message '...not multiple...' which refers dosfslabel. How to fix? And I don't have any dos partition, only one NTFS.
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04:31<Ouro>can you show the actual error message
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04:34<linuxBuddy>Hello! My Torrent Client pops out this message while seeding two of the 5.0.5 torrents:
04:34<linuxBuddy>A look at revealed to me, that the torrents are not added.
04:34<linuxBuddy>Maybe someone can fix that. (Or don't you wanna use trackers anymore?)
04:35<gsimmons>linuxBuddy: This issue has been reported to the debian-cd mailing list (
04:36<linuxBuddy>gsimmons: Alright. Sorry for double reporting then.
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04:39<allan`>hello good afternoon. how to protect my users?what if my user will delete his history bash?how can i know what they do to my box?is there a way to read what they deleted bash history?tnx
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04:41<russian_ulysses_>Ouro, I can't, I left my debian box for now. But message stated multiplication mismatch between logical & physical sector sizes (smthg like that), discovered by dosfslabel.
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04:42<petemc>allan`: thats a strange definition of protection you have
04:42<russian_ulysses_>btw, which one debian package offers to add UUIDs to fstab during upgrade process?
04:42<muep>allan`: you probably shouldn't spy on the users that much
04:42<allan`>petemc : why?
04:42<Ouro>russian_ulysses: hm, no idea
04:42<allan`>muep : why?i have the right
04:42<petemc>allan`: because you're not protecting them but wanting to spy on them
04:43<muep>allan`: the bash history is there just for the convenience of the users, not for the administrators
04:43<muep> is why the users can delete and modify it in the first place
04:43<allan`>muep : ok.what if they will delete their bash?
04:43<petemc>allan`: there are various forms of accounting to keep track of users if you want to
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04:43<allan`>i didnt give them admin
04:43<allan`>just user
04:43<muep>allan`: why do you think they can delete bash?
04:44<allan`>im not sure tho
04:44<allan`>i havent tried
04:44<allan`>just advance thinking
04:44<muep>allan`: all system binaries are owned by root
04:44<allan`>ohhh ok
04:44<allan`>thanks :)
04:44<muep>users can only read and execute them
04:44<DasUberJohan>after using reportbug what are you suposed to do after writing up the report. I don't see a single option for "send bug" it's just talking about writing files in nano.
04:44<muep>not delete or modify
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04:50<Ouro>DasUberJohan: are you sure that it did not alread send it?
04:50<DasUberJohan>Ouro:i have no idea i just wrote the thing
04:50<DasUberJohan>and nothing else has been prompted for sending i just emailed it to the email address provided to do it with the message set up like it was supposed to
04:50<DasUberJohan>and i hope it ends up sending right
04:51<gsimmons>russian_ulysses_: linux-base. Your issue sounds like Debian bug #580467, but this was corrected in linux-2.6 2.6.32-13.
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04:52<russian_ulysses_>gsimmons I saw that bug, I have linux-image-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem, pkg version -15. So it seems newer pkg with fix, but it occurs for me
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04:53<Ouro>DasUberJohan: from the man page it seems like it actually sends the message itself.... i am sure someone else knows
04:53<DasUberJohan>Ouro:ok well i sent it via email to make sure.
04:53<gsimmons>russian_ulysses_: The complete error output at a paste site, when convenient, would assist.
04:54<Ouro>DasUberJohan: you didnt get any message like this: Connecting to via SMTP... ?
04:54<allan`>muep : thanks :) upon reviewing them, their accounts type are: Desktop user
04:54<DasUberJohan>er... i was using the menu one
04:54<DasUberJohan>don't think i saw that i'll check it right now when i report this odd xorg issue
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04:55<Ouro>DasUberJohan: oh.. well, i dont know, but perhaps the bug is posted on the server now?
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04:55<russian_ulysses_>gsimmons will do that tonight here :) thx for support )
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04:56<EmleyMoor>What do the figures on a Courier POP3 timeout mean? (rcvd and sent mainly)
04:57<DasUberJohan>hmm apprently it didn'tn go
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04:59<Ouro>DasUberJohan: error?
05:00<allan`>muep : when i $pico .bash_history
05:00<allan`>muep: i dont see result or txt
05:00<DasUberJohan>no error and it didn't even give an option to send it
05:00<allan`>muep : i have 7 users
05:00<DasUberJohan>with reportbugs with the menu-type system that comes from the python package, it just opens up nano for writing it and no option to send.
05:01<allan`>pico "username" .bash_history has no result too
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05:03<Ouro>DasUberJohan: well, try the command-line one
05:03<muep>allan`: I don't think that should show anything
05:03<muep>allan`: it would just open the file called username
05:03<DasUberJohan>Ouro:what's teh option to kill off the menu-based system because reportbugs auto-does the nromal one
05:04<lorena>just open file called
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05:04<EmleyMoor>My partner is now having trouble getting mail from my system!
05:04<Ouro>DasUberJohan: one sec, lemme try this
05:04<muep>allan`: but you really should not read users' files, unless you make sure that the users know that you will be doing so
05:05<muep>allan`: at least I would be quite upset if I found out my admin spied on my files
05:06<allan`>muep : not the files. the bash_history
05:06<muep>bash history is a file
05:06<muep>and while I don't know for sure, I believe it is often also illegal to read others' personal data without first getting a permission from them to do so
05:07<allan`>muep : its not a command what they type?
05:07<allan`>i mean the command that they type
05:07<muep>it contains them, yes
05:07<muep>but it's still their personal data
05:07<allan`>i saw it before in the bash.i saw some typo like kill -9 process etc
05:08<allan`>muep : so they will not ping flood my box?
05:08<allan`>like my internet will not slow?
05:09<Ouro>DasUberJohan: if i just type 'reportbug' it offers the options of runing in text or gui mode
05:09<allan`>im thinking to delete some accounts that i dont really trist
05:09<Ouro>DasUberJohan: i am running etch though, so maybe its different now
05:09<muep>allan`: you can use something like iftop and htop to notice if someone is using lots of resources
05:09<allan`>i dont see also in "ps x"
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05:09<allan`>ok ill install iftop
05:09<allan`>and htop
05:10<muep>even just top is quite useful
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05:10<petemc>iptraf too
05:10<allan`>i cannot see some bars in my task hang
05:10<DasUberJohan>yeah it is different...
05:10<allan`>sluggish unit
05:11<allan`>i cannot minimize our chat here
05:11<allan`>reboot then
05:11<allan`>help muep
05:11<allan`>i cannot open my Applications Places System
05:11<muep>allan`: can't help, sorry
05:12<allan`>alt f2?to go to console?
05:12<petemc>ctl alt f1 - f6
05:13<Ouro>allan`: i think you need to learn a bit more about system administration before you worry what your users do?
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05:16<allan`>hello muep : whats the two software again that i will isntall? htop and intop?
05:16<allan`>sorry got dc freeze
05:16<muep>htop is mostly a more pretty variant of top
05:17<allan`>ok thanks
05:17<muep>and iftop is for monitoring network traffic levels
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05:19<allan`>done installing
05:19<allan`>cool i can monitor bandwidth
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05:20<amitz>say, does debian squeeze's python has $PYTHONPATH by default? I usually put my python library in /usr/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages , but python doesn't seem to search for python package there.
05:20<DasUberJohan>does anyone know by chance where the php.ini file would be at in debian since i don't seem to be able to find it.
05:21<amitz>after a normal upgrade from squeeze to squeeze.
05:21<allan`>muep thanks
05:21<DasUberJohan>wait there it is nvm XD
05:21<DasUberJohan>er how do you tell php to use mysqli instead of the mysql module
05:22<DasUberJohan>or does it auto-use mysqli
05:22<amitz>I mean, $PYTHONPATH no longer exists.
05:22<amitz>or didn't exist before anyway.
05:23<EmleyMoor>Is there a channel for Courier-related support? My partner's box, running Outlook (!), is timing out on the Courier pop3d
05:23<murb>EmleyMoor: can you get to it with telnet whatever 110 ?
05:24<EmleyMoor>murb: The server is responding - his system logs in
05:24<murb>maildir with lots of stuff in it/ last time i chceked courier doesn't have any indexing.
05:24<murb>so slows down when maildirs are too large.
05:24<EmleyMoor>murb: Less than when it last worked
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05:27<EmleyMoor>Been trying to wean him off Outlok for years
05:27<Ouro>pine baby :)
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05:30<EmleyMoor>I think the timing out is on his end's part but can't prove it
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05:34<Ouro>later people
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05:40<EmleyMoor>rcvd=12, sent=101975, time=300 on each timeout in the log
05:41<petemc>what about the logs?
05:41<EmleyMoor>Nothing significant seen apart from the connection, LOGIN and TIMEOUT
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05:44<EmleyMoor>Lots else going on but nothing from that system
05:45<Alvin>HElp I've just been told by my ISP my ipaddress was used to hack a grrek bank!!!! what can I do?
05:45<petemc>i wouldnt worry, theres nothing in greek banks
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05:46<EmleyMoor>Alvin: Have you authenticated that it wos your ISP?
05:47<Alvin>well they called my wife under who's name the account is
05:47<EmleyMoor>Are you sure it was them?
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05:48<Alvin>I'll have to double check one tick
05:50<Alvin>there must be some truth as I cannot ssh from work
05:50<EmleyMoor>Alvin: Could be pure coincidence
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05:51<EmleyMoor>Call a number you know is them and get them to verify whether any such report has been made
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05:52<Alvin>that was done by my wife
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05:53<EmleyMoor>Right - presumably there are some details of the allegation?
05:53<Alvin>I'll call them to get some more details
05:54<Alvin>what should I look for on my system?
05:55<EmleyMoor>Until you knw what and when, hard to say - but check for any signs of an account being logged in from a system name or IP you don't recognise
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05:56<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... my partner has just tried IMAP and that worked...
05:57<Alvin>how would I do that?
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06:01<EmleyMoor>Alvin: Anything suspicious in auth.log, say?
06:01<Alvin>ok I'll check that thanks a million
06:03<EmleyMoor>So, Outlook not getting POP3 but can get IMAP from same server - I have to admit I don't know what to do other than "blame Outlook"
06:03<petemc>can the user login via telnet and do list , retr N etc ?
06:03<EmleyMoor>petemc: From his machine presumably?
06:04<Alvin>could that be a firewall blocking the pop3 port
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06:04<EmleyMoor>Unless it's made of copper wire, no
06:04<koollman>EmleyMoor: is there pop3 on the server on the specified port ?
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06:06<EmleyMoor>koollman: Self-evidently - the client logs in - the session times out 5 mins later, rcvd=12, sent=101975, time=300 (sent figure increasing a little per session)
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06:07<koollman>EmleyMoor: and another pop client works fine ? I wouldn't pass an easy opportunity to blame microsoft, but I'm pretty sure outlook does pop3 decently :)
06:08<koollman>oh. hmm. that was for Alvin
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06:10<EmleyMoor>Telnetting works
06:11<EmleyMoor>Done a list and a retr
06:12<dbvolio>what gnu web control panel do you suggest is for best use??
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06:16<EmleyMoor>Pegasus seems to be working OK
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06:17<DasUberJohan>does anyone else have problems with the nvidia driver changing up their window size and completely dis-regarding the xorg configuration?
06:18<DasUberJohan>(gtk-window-decorator:10433): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "ubuntulooks" and what's this all about?
06:18<DasUberJohan>i thought that compiz wouldn't install ubuntu stuff from debian
06:18<DasUberJohan>the other thing is i think compiz is hanging
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06:24<EmleyMoor>So, we have the problem down to Outlook, or to Nerton intercepting the POP3 transaction ahead of it
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06:25<EmleyMoor>In either case at least it's not my fault :-)
06:25<koollman>oh. norton is there ? the 'internet security' stuff ? that's ... really probably the cause. it's awful
06:25<koollman>timeout session could also suggest nat troubles, but NIS also messes with it
06:26<EmleyMoor>There's no NAT between client asd server
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06:41<EmleyMoor>Bizarre - Outlook is now fetching mail
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07:02<dbvolio>i have the following error while trying to install plesk panel
07:02<dbvolio>can't connect to mysql server
07:03<dbvolio>yet my sql is ok
07:03<dbvolio>and installed
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07:03<dbvolio>i even have a databse for a website
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07:04<dbvolio>so? what should i do?
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07:05<petemc>check where plesk is looking for mysql
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07:05<dbvolio>in installer?
07:07<dbvolio>to look? or where?
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07:12<petemc>dbvolio: you are allowed to think for yourself
07:12<petemc>feel free to try things without having to be told them
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08:05<mixalis>Hello, is there any way to upgrade a spesific package?
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08:08<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
08:09<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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08:09<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
08:10<dbldtx>The enter key is not a substitute for words. Saying NOTHING makes it difficult to follow what you are saying Consider using words or even numbers instead. If you say nothing, you aren't saying anything.
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08:35<Alvin>just upgraded rebooting system see you in a tick....
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09:10<Quincy6>I have a problem with my Debian 4.0
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09:11<Quincy6>When I try to install something by apt-get:
09:12<@Ganneff>etch is dead
09:12<@Ganneff>upgrade to lenny
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09:12<dpkg>Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Removed from the mirrors (2010-06-20); ask me about <etch sources.list>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>.
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09:15<old>Quincy6: If you must use Etch you can change 'etch' to 'oldstable' in your sources.list, but I don't think you'll get more updates... (Pozdrowienia z Poznania ;-P)
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09:16<user>esto va extrañamente rapido
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09:16<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
09:16<dpkg>It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX
09:17<dpkg>fdisk is the name used for several hard disk partition table editor programs for PC compatible computers. Before a hard disk can be used by an operating system on a PC, it must be divided into one or more logical disks called partitions. Ask me about <partitioning><gparted>.
09:17<@Ganneff>zcom: if you want it for yourself, use /msg
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09:17<zcom>I think are in other channelñ
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09:17<zcom>sorry again
09:17<zcom>let's go to my home
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09:25<dpkg>[grub] GNU GRUB (GRand Unified Bootloader) 0.9x, aka GRUB Legacy. A powerful boot loader which can boot many OSes and understands many filesystems. To install: "aptitude install grub grub-doc" ("aptitude install grub-legacy grub-legacy-doc" for Squeeze). To reinstall, ask me about <fixmbr>. To migrate from LILO, ask about <lilo->grub>. See also <grub errors>, <grub2>, <supergrub>.
09:26<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, lvm is the Linux Logical Volume Manager ( Resources:,, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, <install using lvm>,, IRC: #lvm on
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09:29<khushil>Hi all.
09:29<whirl>hey guys somebody here helped me with my wired connection.
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09:30<khushil>I wonder if anyone here could help with an odd performance issue on a 24 Core box at all?
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09:31<whirl>I have to hit these specific address, netmask and gateway and DNS server too
09:31<whirl>but it doesnt save those I try to save
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09:32<whirl>mmm brb
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09:43<whirl>so using network-manager trying to connect to wired network which I have to manually configure. Why doesnt NM remember the which I try to put in to Netmask but instead it changes it to
09:44<whirl>using squeeze
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10:02<bartzy>Wanted to ask about hyperthreading - If I have a quad core with HT enabled, can I run 8 processes simultaneously ?
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10:03<@Ganneff>you can also run 120 processes imultaneously
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10:04<dr|zed>You will have, in effect, 8 cores, sure.. and, yes, you could, in theory run 8 processes on 8 separate cores, simultaneously.
10:04<bartzy>Ganneff - I mean cpu intensive processes
10:04<bartzy>dr|zed - those will be single-threaded cpu intensive image-processing processes (all doing the same thing)
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10:05<@Ganneff>ht isnt a full cpu
10:05<@Ganneff>besides they most likely starve on memory access
10:05<dr|zed>Remeber the OS has overheads.
10:06<@Ganneff>that too
10:06<dr|zed>So you're really talking theory, not practice.
10:06<dr|zed>Best advice is actually see what your processor can handle.
10:06<dr|zed>Graphics intensive processes may well max out the ram before the cpu.. indeed.
10:06<bartzy>dr|zed, my process will not max out the ram.. it processes 1 image at a time
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10:06<dr|zed>See how far you can push your cpu.. you'll know when it's cjoking.
10:07<@Ganneff>i didnt say max out ram
10:07<@Ganneff>i said starve on memory access
10:07<bartzy>OK, how do I know when it is choking ?
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10:07<dr|zed>Your cpus will be saturated, or you'll see sluggishness on the desktop.. 2 examples.
10:08<bartzy>How can I know if the CPU is saturated or just working hard like it should ? :)
10:08<dr|zed>Look at your task manager.
10:08<dr|zed>On a multicore system, 100% usage = all cores fully occupied, usually.
10:08<@Ganneff>look at what it does. yozu will also know your tool, so will know basic behaviour pattern
10:08<bartzy>Also, Will single-threaded processes that get spawned multiple times (lets say 8 for a HT enabled quad) will benefit from HT ? Or only multi-threaded process benefit from it ?
10:08<@Ganneff>and can compare them to reality
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10:09<@Ganneff>you can only benefit from multi cpu (core, ht, whatever) if your workflow actually allows that
10:09<@Ganneff>now, what does this have to do with debian?
10:09<bartzy>Sorry dunno. :)
10:09<@Ganneff>then you are wrong here actually
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10:09<dr|zed>You can even get a panel widget that'll show you activity on each (virtual) core.. if you want an immediately intelligible guide.
10:09<bartzy>But thanks for the help...!
10:10<dr|zed>Good question, Ganneff. *laughs*
10:10<jordanm>top can show activity per core
10:10<dr|zed>So does gnome's task manager.
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10:11<dr|zed>Xfce's panel cpu widget does, also, and probably gnome's, too.
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10:12<jordanm>dr|zed: not the one in stable
10:12<jordanm>xfce panel plugin I mean
10:12<dr|zed>jordanm: Oh? I assumed 4.6 was ubiquitous! My bad.
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10:13<bartzy>On debian, how can I check on which core a process is running ?
10:13<jordanm>dr|zed: stable uses 4.4, which I have been using on my main workstation for quite a while
10:14<dr|z3d>jordanm: Okeydoke. Noted. :)
10:14<jordanm>dr|z3d: 4.6 is backported, but there is no real reason to upgrade unless you need the power management features that 4.4 lacked
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10:22<bartzy>anyone ? :)
10:23<jmm_>no such file or directory.
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10:23<kop>bartzy: You could try digging around in /proc in the process id. Dunno.
10:23<jmm_>bartzy: maybe htop can help.
10:23<jmm_>( I'm pretty sure it does in fact, but I just don't know how.
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10:34<BlackFate>I've noticed that when I use userdel to remove users, they aren't removed from the quota table when I run repquota. Instead, their name is replaced by their UID (I think) such as "#10020." If I recreate a user with the same name as the one I deleted, he assumes those old quota settings. I'm looking for a way to remove a user's quota's, something equivalent to setquota hopefully. Thank you!
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10:35<kop>BlackFate: You probably want to use deluser instead, although that may have nothing to do with your problem.
10:35<kop>BlackFate: What do the quota man pages say?
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10:36<kop>BlackFate: It's considered impolite to cross-post the same question here and on freenode.
10:36<madlatvian>hi people im just decided to be a linux only person for the fist time time im 33
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10:36<kop>madlatvian: Cool. This is where you go to ask support questions. If you want to chat use #debian-offtopic.
10:37<kop>madlatvian: (Support questions about Debian that is.)
10:37<madlatvian>i don't need support but thank you
10:38<madlatvian>i love it
10:39<jmm_>madlatvian: congrats man.
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10:39<jmm_>welcome in the jungle.
10:39<madlatvian>man i don't know why i wasn't here sooner
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10:40<kop>madlatvian: You use debian? If you use another Linux you want the channel for that distro.
10:40<madlatvian>i've been doing system admin for the last year
10:40<jmm_>he's using ubuntu.
10:40<old>madlatvian: I was asking myself the same question when I first came here.
10:40<madlatvian>does any one her do pen testing?
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10:41<dr|z3d>madlatvian: Do you have a Debian question?
10:41<madlatvian>i've been doing the de-ice cds
10:41<kop>madlatvian: This channel is strictly for Debian related support questions.
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10:42<madlatvian>now i use ubuntu
10:42<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
10:42<madlatvian>so yeah debian'
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10:43<madlatvian>sorry if that's out of the scope of this channel i won't talk about it
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10:46<mixalis>Hello, today i have uninstall gnome-desktop-environment and i install gnome-core only so i will have the mininum installation of gnome, then i install gnome-themes. the problem is that my mouse pointer has not change after i install gnome-themes. do i must install anything else?
10:46<kop>madlatvian: You can talk about almost anything on #debian-offtopic, but someone has to be interested....
10:47<jordanm>mixalis: you likely need to configure gnome to use the theme
10:48<mixalis>i have do that. i use clearlooks but my mouse pointer has't change
10:50<bja>Get a cat
10:51<dr|z3d>Themes and mouse themes are two separate things.
10:51<dr|z3d>*pointer, sorry
10:52<jordanm>why even go for a "minimal gnome" (aka half-functioning gnome)? why not something like xfce?
10:52<bja>or lxde which both are based on gnome
10:53<bja>please scrap the last part "based on gnome"
10:53<dr|z3d>You meant gtk-based, obviously, bja. We know :)
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10:55<madlatvian>im going to be a fater for the third time
10:55<madlatvian>that is father
10:55<madlatvian>just found out today
10:55<@Ganneff>we dont care
10:56<kop>madlatvian: Well, your comments are offtopic.
10:56<dr|z3d>We don't care in this channel.. try #debian-offtopic.
10:56<@Ganneff>this is not a chat channel. go elsewhere for that
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10:57<dr|z3d>We'd equally not care if Ganneff happened to be dating Claudia Schiffer. It's not personal to you, madlatvian :)
10:57<madlatvian>ganneff you havn't made a comment worth a pinch of shit
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11:00<bja>Not a good idea to mess the bartender on his own bar
11:01<dr|z3d>I didn't get the sense he was brimming with smart ideas, tbh. ;)
11:01<bja>!beer dr|z3d
11:01*dpkg pulls out a fine Delirium Tremens for dr|z3d
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11:07<troubled>howdy folks. quick question on a an issue that caught my eye on a fresh install. I had a /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686_kernel_2978 show up out of nowhere with an install date pre install by a few minutes. dpkg isn't tracking this dir, nor does google recognize it (of a random selection of md5sums). is the tarball to the files. All seem to be non stripped, so not really sure where they may be from. Any ideas if this is just
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11:09<locklace>the dumbest thing about that site is this: " requires that you have Flash Player 9 or higher installed."
11:09<troubled>locklace: are you serious? bah, sorry
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11:10<troubled>locklace: try claims to be a direct link
11:12<troubled>not really sure what to think of the new dir though. its a fresh install with no services running on the network, and a firewall blocking everything cept an apt source. none of the other machines have it either
11:13<troubled>about the only thing unusual about the install itself was that it was FAI bootstrapped, and I hand installed md raid+luks+lvm. no custom kernels or anything I know of should have created that lib dir
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11:13<locklace>troubled: my money is on "installer or packaging fuckup"
11:14<bja>!pie locklace
11:14*dpkg hits bja in the face with a cream pie
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11:14<locklace>!congratulate bja
11:14<dpkg>Woohoo bja, you did it!
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11:14<troubled>locklace: i was thinking fai myself, but it uses standard repo packages. second, which packages/files would be unknown to dpkg and google?
11:14<locklace>troubled: also, at this point you should give serious consideration to upgrading to the kernel in lenny-backports
11:15<jordanm>locklace: why are you recommending that for this case?
11:15<troubled>locklace: its running a stock 2.6.26-2-686 though. this is just an extra dir in /lib/modules
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11:15<troubled>ie: dpkg has no idea where these files came from
11:16<locklace>troubled: that name looks like it could have been autogenerated, not surprised that searching doesn't yield much
11:16<locklace>jordanm: the recommendation is independent of this case
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11:17<jordanm>locklace: yes... but why should people migrate? because the kernel is frozen now?
11:17<troubled>locklace: well, can't disagree on possibly auto generated. but from what would be my question. i have no compile tools on this system to make a package yet even. also, this have non stripped files, so its not like its a copy of my current modules
11:18<troubled>its either a PID number, a random number or a scm commit revision number. but still, where did it come from is what Im wondering. not even the all powerful google seems to have a clue :(
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11:19<locklace>jordanm: because .32 is more stable than .26, not to mention the other huge improvements between the two
11:20<troubled>about the only thing i did after install was run "tiger" to play around. but non of the other systems show these dirs either. also, the file dates on the modules predate my syslog first boot by about 10 minutes. although its possible that it was left over from the pre md raid setup
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11:20<locklace>troubled: no idea. if it were me i'd chalk it up to one of the fuckups suggested above. but feel free to pursue it to its sordid, bloody end
11:20<jordanm>locklace: more stable is rather vague... my .26 kernels have not had panics or crashes and is still security supported. I see no reason to upgrade unless you lack security support or have these stability issues you mention
11:20<troubled>but i did observe an unusually long cryptsetup process. literally took 2 or 3 minutes on this old machine. it went aware later though while in init 2 instead of init 1
11:21<troubled>but I would hate to suggest that cryptsetup or updateinitramfs is doing something unusual
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11:22<troubled>locklace: I don't like chalking up to /dev/random and ignoring files that show up out of nowhere. call me crazy ;)
11:22<locklace>troubled: search for "_kernel_" here:
11:23<troubled>ahh $$, guess it was a pid. nice catch
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11:25<troubled>locklace: guessing in that case it might have just been leftover from when I ctrl-c'd the initrd update once. just caught off guard that the files were non stripped
11:25<Mithos>I just installed debian
11:25<troubled>Mithos: congrats
11:25<Mithos>and tried to install synaptic - but aptitude couldn't find it
11:25<Mithos>I downloaded the deb from the net and did dpkg -i
11:26<Mithos>and it worked - but a load of packages (e.g. were reporting unhresolvable dependancies
11:26<troubled>policy is showing synaptic in the main section. your apt sources setup okay?
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11:27<troubled>more specifically, are you just using a cdrom or something with a limited selection of packages for apt-get/aptitude?
11:28<kop>Mithos: Is your sources.list file pointing to the net? Did you do an "aptitude update" before any of this?
11:28<Mithos>I installed from cd1
11:28<Mithos>and I looked at the sources list
11:28<troubled>sounds like you just need to add an internet source to /etc/apt/sources.list
11:28<troubled>(aside from security)
11:29<Mithos>and I added (after a couple of failed attempts)
11:29<Mithos>and now it works
11:29<Mithos>but I was wondering why it (or a similar source) wasn't there by default?
11:29<@Ganneff>because you installed from cd
11:29<kop>Mithos: The installer puts in there whereever you choose to install from.
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11:30<kop>Mithos: This is why the recommended install is via the netinstall cd.
11:30<Mithos>it had security and volatile
11:30<kop>Mithos: (Among other reasons, like minimal download of cd content.)
11:30<Mithos>and I tried the netinstall and it failed to get a dhcp address
11:30<Mithos>so I tried this way and it's connected fine
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11:31<kop>Mithos: That's odd. You could report a bug.
11:31<Mithos>I could - but I put it down to my network being fubar anyway
11:33<Mithos>also - how do you edit repositories from somewhere other than synaptic?
11:33<Mithos>i.e. cli
11:33<Mithos>nano which file i mean
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11:36<kop>Mithos: You may as well learn to use a real editor, vi or emacs. (I'm an emacs guy myself, take the built-in tuitorial.)
11:37<kop>Mithos: He's telling you to do something in irc. You type "/msg dpkg sources" and the bot helps you out.
11:37<dr|z3d>nano's perfectly fine, doubly so for those used to a GUI. gedit's the new vim, kop :P
11:38<Mithos>nvr mind - found it
11:38*bartm smells the start of an editor war
11:38<troubled>bartm: vim ftw! :)
11:38<Mithos>and I an quite happy with nano
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11:38<Mithos>although I often use SciTE too :)
11:38<troubled>bartm: just dont try vim on something like openbsd. its brutal until you define the arrow keys
11:39<qq->Mithos, /etc/apt/sources.list*
11:39<Mithos>I found the file anyway I just can't type in IRC =P
11:39<bartm>troubled: who needs arrow keys in vi :)
11:39<kop>dr|z3d: I suppose. But all the cli keyboard shortcuts are not available to a nano user so even if he never needs a real editor he still benefits from learning the basics.
11:39<troubled>bartm: :)
11:40<dr|z3d>kop: I take your point, but when it comes to CLI, there are many that don't have the time/inclination to be a power user. They simply want the basics, accessible without having the climb a learning curve.
11:41<@Ganneff>dr|z3d, kop: #debian-offtopic
11:41<locklace>!start an editor war
11:41<dpkg>xemacs blows.
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11:42<Mithos>also - on a completely unrelated topic - how do I set up nautilus to look more like the one in ubuntu (more like windows explorer)? (buttons for back, open folders in same window rather than new one)
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11:43<troubled>I had another question about the fresh point release though. Are the binary dvd's 1 through 5 regenerated only to change the version numbers in the readme, but still the same versions as the 5.0.4 dvds? do I just need to redownload the update dvd #1?
11:44<troubled>i was kind of expecting a update dvd #1, but it looks like they just regenerated everything
11:45<@Ganneff>do you have good network?
11:45<qq->Mithos, check "Allow open in same windows" in Behavior , in Edit> Preferences of nautilus
11:45<troubled>nah, 4mbit dsl. but i currently just put the dvd dir's in my ftp server and use that for my repo, and apt-mirror just to pull in security.d.o, but the point releases always mess up my setup
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11:46<@Ganneff>troubled: seems like an overly huge traffic waste to download dvds then
11:46<chealer>troubled: the DVDs change
11:46<jordanm>maybe apt-proxy is the answer?
11:46<troubled>i was looking into reprepro or jigdo to try pull my current layout into a "proper" repo, so that I can sync it properly, but not sure what the best way to go about it is
11:46<@Ganneff>use apt-cacher-ng (or a correctly configured squid)
11:46<@Ganneff>or approx.
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11:47<troubled>well, i use fai to blast away the machines here, so i figured its just easier
11:47<troubled>chealer: thanks, kinda what I figured
11:47<@Ganneff>you waste lots and lots of traffic :)
11:47<troubled>:) internally ya, for sure
11:47<@Ganneff>downloading the dvds
11:48<@Ganneff>with a proxy you download what you need, and point updates sind easy
11:48<Mithos>qq: I don't have that option =/
11:48<troubled>I like the dvds in case i want to rebuild the mirrors though, or compare for integrity, but its a kludge for sure since i have to gpg sign the release file and everything, but i dont want to rsync the _whole_ repo
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11:49<@Ganneff>you are rsyncing the whole repo currently. even a little more.
11:49<@Ganneff>if you run rsync in future you will save.
11:50<@Ganneff>start by copying the dvd contents (pool/ is the big) into one dir, rsync the archive over that
11:50<@Ganneff>much less than always full dvds
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11:50<troubled>makes sense. i was just worried that rsync to pool/ would pull in all the archs. i only want i386 really. although that might change if i move the workstation from ubuntu to debian
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11:51<@Ganneff>you can either use ftpsync (look on every mirror in projects/ for it), which can limit on arches
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11:51<@Ganneff>if you also want only one suite (ie like only stable), goto debmirror
11:51<jordanm>apt-mirror supports only specific archs as well IIRC
11:52<@Ganneff>Debian ( Stable "Etch" or Newer
11:52<@Ganneff>on apt-mirror homepage
11:52<troubled>ya, apt-mirror is nice, but i only use it for security updates atm until I figure the best way to reorganize the disk space so i can pull in the dvds and sync up
11:52<@Ganneff>i dont think thats all that much in development
11:53<troubled>reprepro looked interesting too, but that seems a little hardcore unless im going to get into custom packages
11:53<@Ganneff>debmirror and ftpsync are both in active development
11:53<jordanm>I don't think bitrot has set in quite yet however
11:57<Mithos>got it :) I needed to put it into browser mode (thank u google)
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12:04<bremner>is it true that I need tk 8.5 for true type font support?
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12:12<jhutchins_lt>bremner: Huh? 8.5 what?
12:13<Mithos>tk8.5 - the latest version of the tk toolkit (developed alongsied tcl)
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12:13<Mithos>dunno if he nees it though
12:13<bremner>me neither :)
12:14<bremner>do others have ttf fonts with the lenny/squeeze version of tk?
12:14<mortvert>Gah, i hate my life D:
12:14<mortvert>Partitoner failed @ debian instalation, had to remove windows :3
12:14<mortvert>Also, um, hi?
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12:15<retrospectacus>!congratulate mortvert
12:15<dpkg>Woohoo mortvert, you did it!
12:15<mortvert>Ty ^_^'
12:15<retrospectacus>no more Window$ for you!!
12:15<mortvert>well, i wanted to do it eariel
12:16<mortvert>but i had the usb modem wich was hell to install. :3
12:16<mortvert>By the way - does debian finds the sound card drivers alone?
12:16<retrospectacus>what is :3 indicate? Crazy internet
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12:16<retrospectacus>it looks like a girl with huge boobs
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12:16<mortvert>Old habit of mine, it's cat face
12:17<mortvert>or lion face
12:17<mortvert>wichever you want
12:17<mortvert>i can't mount NTFS partitions
12:18<dpkg>[ntfs] Windows NT File System. There are 3 drivers in Debian: the read-only Linux kernel driver and <FUSE> drivers providing write support. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about read/write access, ask me about <ntfsrw>. See also <ntfsclone>, <ntfsck>, <label>. FAQ: . #ntfs on
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12:19<Mithos>nice bot
12:19<retrospectacus>mortvert: PM dpkg about ntfsrw
12:19<troubled>Mithos: moreso nice community for filling the bot with useful information ;)
12:19<mortvert>retrospectacus: thanks alot, you save my life
12:20<mortvert>since i have por- important movie files on that HD
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12:20<Mithos>I've been using linux mint for a long time. I finally switched to debian when I saw this also @mortvert lolololol
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12:21<Mithos>Then nosied at the debian policies and decided I prefered them to Mint/Ubuntu
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12:22<retrospectacus>mortvert: lulzz.... you will want to get non-free codecs and stuff to watch them... dpkg knows all about it
12:22<mortvert>retrospectacus: for now i need to mount that thing, about codecs i'll worry later
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12:24<mortvert>debian is better than windows imo
12:24<mortvert>so much programs that i can install without hassle :D
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12:25<retrospectacus>you won't find any argument here
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12:27<troubled>anyone here used DVD-RAM with debian? just curious if you noticed any problems with umount blocking only for a few seconds and an early eject causing the background sync to get interrupted on eject
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12:30<mortvert>how do i use NTFSMOUNT? O_o
12:31<Torsten_W>read the manpage?
12:31<mortvert>^_^" what's manpage?
12:31<Mithos>lol @ toubled
12:31<Mithos>mortvert: use the man command in terminal
12:31<mortvert>well, just up to now i was using windows
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12:32<mortvert>usage: ntfsmount device mount_point [-o options]
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12:33<mortvert>Okay fine, but how do i know what's device name? HD0, partition name, everything else won't work
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12:34<retrospectacus>you can check "dmesg|tail " for the device name. It will be something like /dev/sdb2
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12:34<mortvert>oh, thanks
12:34<retrospectacus>read the man page of dmesg and tail commands, also read google on what the pipe does ( | symbol)
12:34<old>mortvert: Use `fdisk -l` (L not one). You'll get a list of partitions.
12:35<retrospectacus>that too :)
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12:36<mortvert>FUSE mount failed O_o
12:36<old>mortvert: Do you know what a mount point is?
12:36<mortvert>hmm, so-so
12:37<mortvert>typed in / as mount point and it rigged
12:37<old>mortvert: That's normal. You shouldn't mount under /.
12:37<old>The same history happened yesterday...
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12:38<retrospectacus>mortvert: you need to create an empty folder and that will be your mount point. Then the files on the drive will appear in that folder.
12:38<old>mortvert: Make a fresh directory with `mkdir $name`.
12:38<old>mortvert: ... and then point it as a mount point.
12:39<mortvert>already mounted :3
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12:40<old>Is ntfsmount better than ntfs-3g?
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12:40*mortvert is trying to figure out how to unmount
12:40<simonrvn>umount is the command you want
12:41<old>mortvert: `umount $device`
12:41<old>mortvert: or `umount $mount_point`.
12:41<pyrokamileon>i've been having some problems with my installs, I think my HDD is going but I can't prove it
12:41<jhutchins_lt>mortvert: Mounting something to / would replace the whole filesystem and bring the system to a halt.
12:42<mortvert>wierd then
12:42<mortvert>can't either umount it
12:42<mortvert>or mount it
12:42<mortvert>and my system still works
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12:42<jhutchins_lt>mortvert: By itself the mount command will list what's mounted where.
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12:43<pyrokamileon>I installed ubuntu9.04 the other day and as soon as I had all the updates installed and actually tried to use the system the program that I clicked on made a window for itself but the window never filled in, it just froze the system
12:43<mortvert>/dev/hda5 on / type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,default_permissions,allow_other,blksize=4096,user=root)
12:44<retrospectacus>pyrokamileon: don't ask here, we don't use ubuntu
12:44<mortvert>when i try to umount it say device is busy. :|
12:44<pyrokamileon>so I tried to reboot and try it again but the whole interface just seemed sluggish to the point of unresponsiveness
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12:44<mortvert>well, i can always reinstall, this is fresh copy of system
12:44<retrospectacus>mortvert: what does ls / say? lib etc dev and stuff? or your files?
12:44<mortvert>Mortimert:/home/mortvert# ls /
12:44<mortvert>bin dev home lib32 media proc selinux tmp vmlinuz
12:44<mortvert>boot emul initrd.img lib64 mnt root srv usr
12:44<mortvert>cdrom etc lib lost+found opt sbin sys var
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12:45<mortvert>did these lines paste?
12:45<pyrokamileon>right, so anyways I just finished installing DebianLenny and before I could even get through the updates this system began acting the same way...
12:45<jhutchins_lt>mortvert: At this point you might actually want to reboot, your system is confused.
12:45<jordanm>!tell mortvert about paste
12:45<simonrvn>beat me to it =)
12:46<mortvert>Ok, brb then. Rebooting. Hope it won't kill anything :3
12:46<pyrokamileon>I think I tried clicking on something (I had just installed gnome) and I just got some what expect to be an error box telling my something in block letters
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12:46<jordanm>pyrokamileon: what CD did you use to install?
12:46<pyrokamileon>I made a debian netinst USB
12:47<jordanm>then you should not have need upgrades after the installation...
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12:47<pyrokamileon>I've installed Lenny, Hardy and Jaunty they all started screwing up just after install...
12:47<jordanm>unless there is something odd that goes on right after the point release (which did just occur)
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12:48<jordanm>pyrokamileon: does ~/.xsession-errors exist?
12:49<pyrokamileon>that's true, lenny didn't need many updates, but I like using the netinst so I can pick and choose what to include... let me look for that errors file
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12:52<mortvert>why debian has to be so confusing? >_<
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12:54<jhutchins_lt>mortvert: Very powerful. Many options. Not indended for idiots.
12:55<mortvert>jhutchins_lt: well, this is my first time using linux at all
12:55<jhutchins_lt>mortvert: You've also dived directly into advanced administrative topics without understanding the system.
12:55<pyrokamileon>yes I found the xsession errors file but it only listed errors for my gnome settings (im assuming because I haven't set anything yet) and my network manager (which I already fixed)
12:56<jordanm>pyrokamileon: paste the settings erorrs along with /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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12:56<jhutchins_lt>mortvert: Windows doesn't even allow you to specify where a filesystem is mounted, or to manually mount and unmount it.
12:56<mortvert>for now i'll drop ntfs mounting
12:56<retrospectacus>mortvert: it is very well documented and supported. Just read up on what you are doing and you'll be an expert eventually
12:57<jhutchins_lt>mortvert: I'll bet there's something succinct on the net that explains exactly how to do it.
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12:57<jhutchins_lt>mortvert: In fact...
12:57<jhutchins_lt>!tel mortvert about ntfs
12:58<retrospectacus>srsly though, ntfs is plug and play once you've installed the nonfree driver thing
12:58<mortvert>i don't have cash to spend on software
12:58<jhutchins_lt>mortvert: There is very little commercial software even available for linux.
12:59<jhutchins_lt>mortvert: By nonfree he was referring to the fact that the r/w NTFS driver is not entirely open source.
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12:59<old>mortvert: "non-free" does not mean you must pay.
12:59<Gathond>well and it may not be legal I believe
12:59<dpkg>from memory, free is defined in English with many different meanings of which only one refers to cost. Easier in French, or 'free beer' = gratuit / 'free speech' = libre, or, or, or free (procps) tells you how much memory is used/wasted ("Mem:") and how much is being necessarily used/could be freed ("-/+ buffers/cache:"), see also <free ram>.
12:59<Gathond>it is based on using the windows .dll is it not? which if you don't own a windows license is probably a grey area at the very least
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13:00<Gathond>depending on local law etc of cause
13:00<jordanm>Gathond: not in debian, no. the packages you are referring to are in DMM
13:00<jhutchins_lt>Gathond: Actually, last I looked the only thing "non-free" about it was that it's not licensed by Microsoft.
13:00<mortvert>wish i could know about wich package are you talking about
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13:00<jhutchins_lt>Gathond: Microsoft technically requiring write access to be licensed.
13:00<Gathond>jhutchins_lt: hence my statement about the dubious legality of the thing :)
13:01<dr|z3d>There's plenty of commercial software available for Linux, but mostly it tends not to be pitched towards the consumer.
13:01<jhutchins_lt>mortvert: Start with the links that dpkg msgd you.
13:01<mortvert>i'm reading on ntfs-3g
13:01<jhutchins_lt>mortvert: If you find you're not sure about something, do a web search for more details - or ask.
13:01<pyrokamileon>i'm emailing those files to myself so I can have them on this pc and post them
13:02<mortvert>jhutchins_lt: i already asked way too much
13:02<jhutchins_lt>Nah, gives us a chance to show off and dust off our skills.
13:02<mortvert>then about mount point
13:03<mortvert>i created GRY dir (games in polish)
13:03<mortvert>so it's path is /home/mortvert/gry
13:03<jhutchins_lt>I just mkdir /windows and mount to that.
13:03<jhutchins_lt>mortvert: Yours will work too.
13:03<mortvert>when i give ntfs-3g that as mount it doesn't work
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13:03<mortvert>ntfs-3g-mount: failed to access mountpoint /gry: Nie ma takiego pliku ani katalogu
13:03<jhutchins_lt>mortvert: You have to tell us what it does, not what it doesn't.
13:04<mortvert>nie ma takiego pliku ani katalogu means - no such file or directory
13:04<jhutchins_lt>mortvert: You should probably make the directory as root.
13:04<mortvert>su root?
13:04<jhutchins_lt>su -
13:05<mortvert>it works!
13:05<mortvert>any way to make it auto mount?
13:06<mortvert>hmm, i'll search for that myself :3
13:06<jhutchins_lt>mortvert: I think it's covered in one of those factoids from dpkg, but yes, you add the particulars of the mount command to /etc/fstab.
13:06<pyrokamileon>I can paste the settings errors here but the xorg log is much longer should i paste that or can I upload it?
13:06<jhutchins_lt>mortvert: Note that you may have to add options to make it readable by users other than root.
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13:07<mortvert> mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/hda5 /gry ?
13:07<jhutchins_lt>mortvert: I don't actually have an NTFS filesystem to mount so I don't remember all the details (I rely on the docs).
13:07<pyrokamileon>/etc/gdm/Xsession: Beginning session setup...
13:07<pyrokamileon>Shutdown failed or nothing to shut down.
13:07<pyrokamileon>** (gnome-settings-daemon:2676): WARNING **: Failed to open file '/etc/gnome/config/': No such file or directory
13:07<pyrokamileon>Window manager warning: Failed to read saved session file /home/david/.metacity/sessions/ Failed to open file '/home/david/.metacity/sessions/': No such file or directory
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13:07<simonrvn>!tell pyrokamileon -about paste
13:07<jhutchins_lt>mortvert: Take a look at the other entries in fstab - you don't need the mount command, it's assumed.
13:07<jhutchins_lt>mortvert: There's also a man page for mount that describes it a litt.e
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13:08<retrospectacus>!user accessible ntfs
13:08<dpkg>To get an NTFS or VFAT file system accessible by users and groups on the local machine, man mount; man 5 fstab; and read about the umask, fmask, dmask, uid, and gid options. You'll end up sticking something like conv=auto,uid=<user>,gid=<group>,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 into your fstab's mount option field.
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13:08<mortvert>that is way too complicated for me atm
13:08<lint>will installing firefox on my debian installation slow my computer down?
13:08<mortvert>you have firefox
13:09<mortvert>it's called iceweasel
13:09<lint>not atm
13:09<jhutchins_lt>lint: Only if you use it.
13:09<dpkg>Mozilla Firefox is replaced by Iceweasel in Debian. Ask me about <iceweasel> and <why iceweasel>.
13:09<lint>i see.
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13:10<mortvert>jhutchins_lt - is adobe flash installed in debian?
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13:10<mortvert>since it doesn't look like it
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13:10<david_>here's the first link
13:10<craigevil>!adobe flash
13:10<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is <non-free>. The easiest way to install it is with the flashplayer-mozilla package from <>; there is also a flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package for testing users, or from Ask me about <dmm> <bpo> <non-free>. WARNING: installing flashplugin-nonfree will NOT automatically keep the plugin updated.
13:12<mortvert>no flashplugin-nonfree for amd64 build
13:12<david_>ok well I guess it's not letting me use pyrokamileon right now, but that's me
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13:12<david_>here's the second link
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13:13<mortvert>does it matter what package i install?
13:13<BlackFate>mortvert: yeah.. no more.. you can grub the last flashplugin 64bit available from 3d party websites or just build a sandbox and install 32bit flash
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13:15<jhutchins_lt>mortvert: They just did a security update including 64b linux, then pulled the linux version for unknown reasons.
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13:17<chealer>did anyone try the latest fglrx update on i386 (10-6)? I get an X segfault on 2.6.34-1-686-bigmem
13:17<craigevil>isn't 2.6.34 only in experimental
13:18<chealer>craigevil: yes
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13:25<mortvert>Everything works :D
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13:25<lint>can someoen help me? i installed debian now none of my other os;s appear in the grub loader
13:26<old>lint: `apt-get install os-prober`.
13:26<old>lint: Assuming you have GRUB2.
13:27<lint>old: im not sure, i believe its just grub
13:27<lint>which on comes with debian leny?
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13:27<old>If the package 'grub-pc' is installed, then it's GRUB2.
13:28<lint>no, not installed
13:28<mortvert>installed the flash
13:28<mortvert>nothing happend
13:29<lint>old: if i install it now will it pick up on my other operating systems?
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13:30<mortvert>installed flashplugin-nonfree_2.8.1~bpo50+1_amd64 wich downloaded all dependencies
13:31<mortvert>and nothing atm. do i need to restart? :3
13:31<dutchfish>themill: i have figured it out :)
13:32<old>lint: If you install both GRUB2 and os-prober it should work, but if you have legacy GRUB it should've worked already.
13:32<lint>old: i will try installing grub2 and see what happens
13:33<old>lint: I'd not do it. Bootloader is a serious business.
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13:34<mortvert>my GRUB picked up OS from second HD
13:34<lint>old: i'll probably have to re-install ubuntu
13:34<mortvert>wich shouldn't happen
13:34<old>mortvert: Why do you think so?
13:35<mortvert>Since it's slave, on another HD
13:35<old>lint: You can try to install GRUB2 if you know you'll not damage other systems' bootloaders.
13:35<mortvert>never mind
13:36<lint>old: it asked me about chainloading but i didnt know what that was so i left it blank
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13:36<old>lint: Why do you take actions, and ask questions afterwards?
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13:37<DasUberJohan>has anyone else had troubles getting gsyanptic up and going
13:37<retrospectacus>chainloading is an option that sends you to the windows booter
13:37<lint>old: dow you really wanna know?
13:37<lint>or are you just busting my balls
13:37<old>lint: I've said: bootloader is important, so if you play with it without knowing what you actually do you can easily brake it.
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13:38<lint>yes, fine , ok
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13:38<mortvert>if your second OS is windows xp you can use CD to fix mbr
13:38<mortvert>just go to recovery console and type in fixmbr
13:38<old>lint: I don't know what does "busting sb's balls" mean.
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13:39<lint>i've already decided to re-install ubuntu
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13:40*old fells confused.
13:41<jordanm>old: I was going to explain it to you, but I can't come up with anything aside from other equivelent expressions...
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13:41<aovidal>Alguien que hable castellano?
13:41<aovidal>alguém que fale portugues?
13:42<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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13:42<old>jordanm: Thank you. I'll not die from not knowing. ;-)
13:44<jhutchins_lt>mortvert: you do have to close _all_ browser windows before it'll work.
13:44<mortvert>well, i did that
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13:49<leonardo_>can somebody show me to the xubuntu room plz
13:50<dpkg>Xubuntu is a derivative of <Ubuntu> with the <Xfce> desktop environment. It is not supported in #debian, join #xubuntu on for support. See also <based on debian>.
13:50<aovidal>Hi, what repos are correctly for Debian squeeze?
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13:51<retrospectacus>aovidal: not sure if I understand your question but I have this: deb squeeze main contrib non-free
13:51<old>aovidal: Allways the same... The official one, or (better) its mirrors.
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13:52<retrospectacus>replace .ca with your favourite country
13:52<jack>can anybody help me on the details of packages
13:52<old>... or better with the closest one.
13:52<jordanm>!tell jack about ask
13:52<aovidal>thnks! retrosperctacus eres catalán no? xD
13:53<retrospectacus>jack: probably. ask a better question
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13:53<retrospectacus>aovidal: go with .es then I think... ;) or .fr
13:55<aovidal>yes i know that but I ask if repos Debian are best than repos Ubuntu. If there are more packages....
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13:57<craigevil>aovidal: debian has packages ubuntu doesnt have and ubuntu has packages debian doesn't have
13:58<aovidal>craigevil: tnaks
13:58<retrospectacus>they're not compatible, in general
13:58<DevNullnDull>aovidal: but i it seem that debian has a lot more packages then any of the ubuntu distros have.
13:59<aovidal>I ask this because i was Ubuntu user during 5 years, and now i wanna use Debian, and i have some questions like that one ;)
14:00<retrospectacus>Debian def has many many more packages available.
14:00<jack>ineed to knw how to uncompress the tar files...espesially tht ./configure step
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14:01<retrospectacus>jack: what are you trying to install?
14:01<craigevil>aovidal: take a look at
14:01<jack>a tar file
14:01<retrospectacus>jack: you will prefer to use package management to install things.
14:02<jack>it seems tht ./ configure doesnt works all the time
14:02<aovidal>craigevil: I see
14:02<jack>if i dont use packet manager
14:02<cahoot>do you even use debian?
14:03<craigevil>aovidal: but that doesnt count thing like the repo, looking at Synaptic I have 30,598 packages I could install
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14:04<jordanm>jack: configure scripts are checking your system's configurations and installed software. if you don't meet the requirements, it fails. use a package manager like stated before
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14:04<old>craigevil: It also doesn't count packages which are identical in both distros.
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14:05<craigevil>old: right only seems to look at the ones that are different
14:05<aovidal>craigevil: I have 30094 packages with repos like deb squeeze main contrib non-free
14:05<jack>k but packet manager doesnt finds the package all the time
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14:05<old>jack: Which one?
14:05<craigevil>jack: what package are you trying to install?
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14:07<craigevil>jhutchins_lt: does that add all the pron sites to my bookmarks :P
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14:09<cahoot>jack: suggesting irssi is futile?
14:09<mortvert>i need some more repositories
14:10<DevNullnDull>jack: irssi is the client of choice
14:10<bremner>xchat is ok
14:10<jack>k.but i doesnt hv much idea abt it..can u help me out...
14:10<DevNullnDull>jack: xaric is ab irc client, but the best irc client BY FAR is irssi
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14:11<craigevil>irssi+bitlbee rules
14:11<retrospectacus>jack: there are many many great IRC clients you can install by aptitude. Try aptitude search irc client
14:11<leonardo_>theirs nobody in the xubuntu room
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14:12<jack>k if irssi is a better how to get startd with it....i m a beginner
14:12<retrospectacus>leonardo_: not suprising. try #ubuntu
14:13<cahoot>jack: the normal way is to read some documentation
14:13<jhutchins_lt>!tell jack about irssi
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14:13<craigevil>jack: there are a million irc clients in the repos, irc, x-chat, konversation, weechat, quassle, lostirc, tinyirc
14:13<jhutchins_lt>pidgin'll do it I think.
14:13<mortvert_>i hate this
14:13<retrospectacus>yes pidgin
14:13<jhutchins_lt>kde's chat client.
14:13<mortvert_>i get randomly d/ced
14:13<jhutchins_lt>retrospectacus: Yeah.
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14:14<retrospectacus>but irssi is the best :D
14:14<jhutchins_lt>Not that I like pidgin or kopete's interfaces for irc, but there they are.
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14:15<jack>can anybody suggest me abt the networks
14:16<leonardo_>can somebody help me with the resolution in a dell 600 running xubuntu
14:16<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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14:17<retrospectacus>jack: to connect to a server type /server <>
14:17<jhutchins_lt>leonardo_: not here.
14:17<leonardo_>it only gives lower resolutions i want 1024x768
14:17<retrospectacus>jack: to connect to an additional server, type /server +<>
14:17<jhutchins_lt>leonardo_: We do not support xubuntu, it is not debian.
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14:18<DevNullnDull>jack: is where you want to start
14:18<jack>hey retrospectacus...i dint get u.can u briefly explain tht
14:19<craigevil>jack: there is a nifty script that will help you configre irssi,
14:19<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
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14:19<jack>k thnks buddy..i ll check thm out...see u aftr sm time
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14:22<simonrvn>this isn't an sms, that's for sure...
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14:26<slush>uf isn't anymore what it used to be since they put up that nag comic
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14:29<Gathond>and started to reprint the 2000 stuff
14:29<Gathond>I stopped somewhere during the second stint of that
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14:31<slush>uhu, anyway .. back to ontopic stuff ;) anyone also experiencing iceweasel crashes after watching an flash clip in squeeze?
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14:37<mort_>hm hm hm
14:37<mort_>installed flash player, rebooted, nothing
14:38<jordanm>installing flash does not require a reboot
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14:38<mort_>still, doesn't work
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14:38<qq->mort_, 64
14:39<qq->on 64 bit
14:39<mort_>got the 64bit one
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14:40<mortvert>431 updates O_<
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14:41<mortvert>over 1 gb of files
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14:43<jordanm>mortvert: sounds like you are upgrading to a new release
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14:44<jordanm>mortvert: something is very wrong if you are running lenny
14:45<mortvert>lemme check wich release i have
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14:45<mortvert>Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.4 "Lenny" - Official amd64 CD Binary-1 20100131-21:33
14:45<jordanm>mortvert: pastebin: apt-cache policy
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14:47<locklace>!lose mortvert
14:47<dpkg>mortvert: You Lose.
14:47<jordanm>mortvert: if you accepted those 400+ upgrades, you now run testing
14:47<mortvert>dude, no
14:48<jordanm>(although, I am certain it will break before then)
14:48<mortvert>didn't even start it yet
14:48<jordanm>mortvert: don't, and unmix your debian (remove testing from sources)
14:48<mortvert>423 updates in total, over 1gb of data
14:48<jordanm>right... which is an upgrade to testing
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14:49*jordanm guesses 1/3rd of that is openoffice
14:49<old>mortvert: Get rid of Squeeze entries in sources.list.
14:49<mortvert>i don't see testing anywhere in software sources
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14:49<mortvert>neither squeeze
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14:50<jordanm>mortvert: its in your apt-cache policy output. there is also /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ which could contain the entry
14:51<old>mortvert: You seem to have some squeeze entries from spanish servers.
14:51<mortvert>nothing in sources.list.d
14:51<mortvert>ah, i see it
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14:54<jordanm>mortvert: you must run "aptitude update" after removal
14:54<mortvert>well, it's asking to refresh the list
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14:54<mortvert>but i'll do it
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14:54<jordanm>what is asking what?
14:54<mortvert>software resources
14:55<mortvert>after removing a entry
14:55<jordanm>software resources?
14:55<mortvert>software sources
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14:55<mortvert>system->administration->should be on bottom of list
14:55<jordanm>I still don't know what application you are referring to...
14:56<jordanm>mortvert: I don't run gnome
14:56<mortvert>did aptitude update
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14:56<gua>hi, i got strange keyboard layout at login screen in tty, so can't even login, how to change it? i mean which file need to be changed?
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14:57<gua>strange = not qwerty
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14:58<mortvert>that's for windows tho
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15:04<DevNullnDull>what is the most preferred method or app, for managin services and runlevels in debian? e.g. chkconfig, sysv-rc, etc...
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15:07<koollman>DevNullnDull: update-rc.d, I think
15:08<dkr>ln :p
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15:09<mortvert>still no luck with flash player
15:09<qq->mortvert, it seems it is dead (64bit flash), find a browser that support html5
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15:10<mortvert>qq- for debian?
15:10<qq->for all
15:13<qq->mortvert, google "64bit flash is dead"
15:13<craigevil>mortvert: install it from,
15:13<DevNullnDull>koollman: thanks
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15:17<old>gua: In my opinion qwerty is strange. :-P gdm3 has an option to choose layout at login.
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15:19<Mithos>qwerty is perfectly normal
15:19<gua>old: i don't use gdm , just simple deafult login
15:19<mortvert>qwerty is normal for europe
15:21<gua>ok i've just reomved some script from init.d and it works :)
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15:22<old>gua: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration.
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15:22<old>mortvert: For me qwerty is normal for typewriters. :P
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15:23*old wonders when will gua return complaining about broken system.
15:24<jordanm>guide: removing the script is _not_ the proper way to manage what is automatically started
15:24<jordanm>bah, gone...
15:24<mortvert>what did gua break?
15:24*mortvert is just curious
15:25<old>mortvert: I don't know. Maybe well see...
15:25<jordanm>mortvert: manually deleted an unknown init script
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15:25<jordanm>most likely what will happen is an upgrade will reinstall it.... broke again like magic!
15:25<kop>mortvert: The possiblity of automatic startup of the daemons/packages who's startup script he removed.
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15:26<mortvert>even i wouldn't remove a script if i wouldn't know what it does
15:26<kop>jordanm: Rc scripts are config files and so should be left alone on upgrade. IIRC.
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15:26<mortvert>or if i knew it was importand one
15:26<old>mortvert: All of them are.
15:26<mortvert>well, i'm not sticking my hands into scripts then
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15:27<jordanm>kop: well, if he was to remove the start links instead of the init script, the package manager would reinstall them
15:27<jordanm>e.g. update-rc.d remove foo -f
15:27<old>Gua said it's from init.d, so no.
15:27<jordanm>(according to the update-rc.d manpage). so if it will reinstall the symlinks, why not the actual scripts?
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15:28<mortvert>well, hope someone makes a repair mechanism soon
15:28<mortvert>like it checks for missing files and if some of them are missing it tries to recreate them
15:29<mortvert>afaik something like that is in window$ 7
15:30<mortvert>craigevil, that link worked magic
15:34<jordanm>mortvert: reinstallation of all packages could accomplish similar. in general, you should not delete system files, then, no worries
15:36<qq-> or confmiss ..
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15:39<kop>jordanm: No, the links themselves are definitaly config maternal and won't be messed with unless the package is purged before reinstall. The init.d scripts I'm not so sure of.
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15:40<jesperj>Can I make a "multiseat" (2 users sharing one computer, with one keyboard and one mouse, each (total 2 keyboards, 2 mice) on Debian Lenny, and if so how?
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15:41<luisa>como esta
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15:41<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
15:41<retrospectacus>jesperj: look into "MPX" but I think you'll need things newer than Lenny
15:41-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*luisa@213.99.132.*] by Ganneff
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15:42<jesperj>retrospectacus: thank you
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15:48<mortvert>Well, thanks for help, everyone :D
15:48<mortvert>you helped me a lot
15:48<kop>jesperj: You shouldn't need anything newer than lenny. This has been part of X since the beginning. You may need an xorg.conf file though.
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15:49<kop>jesperj: Basically your xorg.conf would say which screen/pointer/keyboard goes with which.
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15:50<mortvert>can somebody whois me and tell if my ip is visible?
15:50<jesperj>kop: Oh? That's good news. I am googleing on "multiseat lenny"
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15:50<kop>jesperj: Just run another xdm/gdm/kdm on a different vt, say vt8, and see what happens.
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15:51<jesperj>kop: I would need to configure one xserver to use one monitor and the other to use the other monitor
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15:51<jesperj>(I think)
15:52<jesperj>kop: I do run two instances of Xorg atm, one on vt7 and one on vt8
15:52<old>mortvert: No.
15:52<kop>jesperj: Yeah, but they may (or may not) automatcally grab the next unused display.
15:52<mortvert>old - thanks
15:52<melkor_>mortvert: yes
15:52<retrospectacus>mortvert: of course.
15:52<old>mortvert: At least I cannot see it...
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15:53<kop>jesperj: When it comes to the xdms it's all about $DISPLAY.
15:53<mortvert>dunno what mode i should set on myself
15:54<jesperj>kop: ok. I guess I'll just google on for some multiseat xorg.conf setups
15:54<mortvert>:D This tutorial craigevil gave me is perfect
15:54<mortvert>everything runs like charm on flash
15:55<retrospectacus>jesperj: I thought you were looking for something more like
15:55<retrospectacus>ie one $DISPLAY, two cursors, two pointers, two "focuses"
15:56<jesperj>retrospectacus: I need two users to be able to use the system and run their own Xorg session with programs, with their own monitor,mouse and keyboard
15:56<jesperj>pretty much like if it was two pcs
15:56<jesperj>so me and my fiancee can use the "computer" at the same time
15:56<retrospectacus>yeah that sounds easier
15:57<mortvert>jesperj - you better have strong machine
15:57<mortvert>or it'll be slow as hell
15:57<jesperj>mortvert: as long as we can brose the web and some irc it will be ok
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15:58<jesperj>i just need to find some good guide/xorg.conf examples on how to do it (and with Lenny but that would depend mainly on the Xorg version I guess and not what distro)
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16:01<kop>jesperj: /usr/share/gdm/defaults.conf has hints, but don't mess with it's contents.
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16:03<jesperj>kop: *nods* thank you
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16:19<jordanm>kop: that is contary to what the update-rc.d manpage says
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16:20<jordanm>kop: "However, if all links have been deleted then the next time the package is upgraded, the package’s postinst script will run update-rc.d again and this will reinstall links at their factory default locations."
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16:25<nico>hello! i have a problem with my video card. It's a Nvidia 8500 and the integrated one is an intel gma950... the problem is that i cant boot setting the NV card as primary..
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16:26<jordanm>what happens when you try?
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16:30<nico>kernel panic
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16:30<nico>i had the same problem in ubuntu and i solved it by blacklisting intel_agp
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16:31<nico>altough it was not a very good solution i could see the whole boot process...
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16:32<andres_>hi all, i've got a problem installing squeeze on hp dv4-1229
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16:34<jordanm>nico: you mean it disabled your splash? must have relied on a framebuffer
16:34<jordanm>nico: I would suggest trying the same fix
16:35<jordanm>andres_: and we are to solve it based on that statement?
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16:35<andres_>i mean. the problem is that it says that it has no hard disk driver
16:36<jordanm>andres_: what is your storage controller? lscpi -nn
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16:37<jordanm>and what CD are you using? (testing installers are often broken)
16:37<nico>i tried the same but it does not work
16:37<jordanm>nico: you still get a kernel panic?
16:37<andres_>00:1f.2 SATA controller [0106]: Intel Corporation ICH9M/M-E SATA AHCI Controller [8086:2929] (rev 03)
16:38<andres_>jordanm, cd 1 squeeze
16:38<nico>i can boot if i put the intel integrated card as primary but i cant see nothing until gdm
16:38<retrospectacus>,pciid 8086:2929
16:38<judd>[8086:2929] is 'ICH9M/M-E SATA AHCI Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'ahci' in lenny. See also
16:38<retrospectacus>should be fine
16:38<jesperj>kop retrospectacus: I found these guides I will try the Debian Howto tomorrow.
16:39<jordanm>andres_: I would consider it broken. install lenny and upgrade
16:40<retrospectacus>jesperj: sweet, sounds fun :)
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16:41<jesperj>retrospectacus: yes :) and it will make things easier for me as I atm have to share my pc with my fiancee, whos pc I am reinstalling Win XP Home on (yeah I know but she wants it and it takes forever to patch/configure to be somewhat secure)
16:41<jesperj>if the multiseat thing works I wont have the problem of "is it my turn now?"
16:41<andres_>jordanm, ok, i'll do that, if it doesnt work, what could i do ??? :P
16:43<jordanm>!tell andres_ about debootstrap
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16:49<andres_>jordanm, thanks
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16:49<mortvert>good bye everyone
16:49<mortvert>thanks alot for help :)
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16:59<adam_>are there debian mainteners around here !! ?
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17:00<ebrahim>Hi adam_, probably many.
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17:00<adam_>etch proposed updates are not available
17:00<adam_>why ?
17:00<retrospectacus>see /topic
17:00<adam_>which is etch chan ?
17:01<retrospectacus>this is it
17:01<craigevil>adam_: etch no longer on mirrors: /msg dpkg etch->lenny etch is no longer supported
17:01<old>adam_: Etch is dead. Upgrade to Lenny.
17:01<adam_>old, nice advice, but i compiled applications with my kernel
17:01<adam_>and update didn't work
17:02<adam_>I can just update my apt links ?
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17:02<adam_>any other idea except upgrade ?
17:03<adam_>:( I love etch so much, lenny is to human for me
17:03<retrospectacus>you could change your apt sources to some etch archive server which I forget
17:03<adam_>please tell me
17:03<adam_>where are they
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17:04<dpkg>Find old Debian releases at
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17:04<adam_>cool :)
17:04<retrospectacus>!etch sources.list
17:04<dpkg>i guess etch sources.list is "deb etch main contrib non-free" and "deb etch/updates main contrib non-free"
17:04<adam_>don't move i try now
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17:05<adam_>yes it works
17:06<adam_>cool :)
17:06<adam_>i'll remember and try to migrate when possible
17:07<adam_>as i'm here what's up around ?
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17:08<adam_>did an uptime was beaten ?
17:08<adam_>or anything interesting ?
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17:09<adam_>are there cute maintainers women on debian ?
17:09<retrospectacus>yes lots but they don't like people who use etch
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17:10<ebrahim>adam_, #debian-women
17:10<adam_>what :( but etch people are old well experitended people...
17:10<adam_>really !!
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17:11<adam_>a dedicated chan that's an argument to ubuntu users to migrate to debian !
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17:13<adam_>i have to go now thanks for tips about
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17:34<ML>anyone good with samba?
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17:34<jhutchins_lt>Install the docs and use swat.
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17:35<ML>I have it installed on two machines but one is acting very odd
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17:36<ML>im using webmin
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17:37<jhutchins_lt>There's your problem right there.
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17:37<ML>why is that
17:37<dpkg>Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See about the removal from Debian. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality.
17:38<ML>swat is a good alt
17:39<jhutchins_lt>Much better - you can click next to any configuration item and it will open the pertinent section of the docs for you.
17:40<jhutchins_lt>You should also know that unix extensions on unix-to-unix shares are highly unpredictable.
17:40<avu>(and will make your service quite unusable for up to date OSX clients)
17:40<ML>im not sharing between the two, they just each have their own share
17:41<ML>but good to know
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17:41<ML>although that could explain why one will just not be avaliable after about 30 min, which is my problem
17:42<Gman>I have a couple of questions I hope someone can help me with
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17:44<Gman>Anyone famliar with Debian Security Advisories??
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17:45<themill>Gman: assume "yes" and ask the question you really want to ask...
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17:47<Gman>thank you. For example, Debian Security Advisory DSA-2035-1 fixes two Security issues CVE-2010-0408 and CVE-2010-0434.
17:47<Gman>these two CVE's in addition to CVE-2010-0425 were fixed in Apache 2.2.15. question is, since debian only fixed two of the 3 CVEs, is it still vulnerable to CVE-2010-0425?
17:48<themill>!tracker of doom
17:48<dpkg>somebody said tracker of doom was a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at or read or
17:49<themill>Gman: that first link dpkg mentioned is very useful, particularly if you know the CVE:
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17:50<Gman>ok..that anwsered one of my questions...thanks themill..
17:50<Nadia>can anyone in here help me with a problem
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17:51<themill>Gman: no worries. Happy hunting!
17:51<Gman>another question. Why does the debian naming convention keep using 2.2.9 when apache 2.2.15 is the current version?
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17:52<ML>any thoughts on Ebox, and ISPconfig?
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17:52<themill>Gman: new versions of packages frequently require you to completely reconfigure the daemon and can lead to unexpected breakage of currently-working set-ups. Backported security fixes are one of the best things about debian. /msg dpkg security backports
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17:54<craigevil>,versions apache2
17:54<judd>apache2 -- etch: 2.2.3-4+etch11; etch-security: 2.2.3-4+etch11; lenny-security: 2.2.9-10+lenny7; lenny: 2.2.9-10+lenny8; sid: 2.2.15-5; squeeze: 2.2.15-5
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17:56<Gman>hmm...let me re-ask my question..i don't mean to be redundant. Why does the stable version still list 2.2.9 and the squeeze and sid version list 2.2.15?
17:57<craigevil>Gman: lenny doesn't get new versions it gets bug and security fixes
17:58<Gman>Ohhh...that makes lots of sense!!!!
17:58<Gman>thanks so much guys!!!
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18:04<laurence_>I just upgraded an old etch system to lenny, and I seem to have ended up in a situation where kpackage (I think) sees updates but aptitude and apt-get do not. I don't know what could cause that.
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18:07<old>laurence_: Do you have entries in sources list for testing or newer?
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18:09<Gman>I want to make sure that I get this correct. When i install security update DSA-2035-1, I will only get the security and bug fixes, but none of the other enhancement beyond 2.2.9? Is that correct.
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18:14<laurence_>old: all entries are for lenny.
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18:14<Gman>Ok. That answered all my questions for now. Big thanks again to themill and craigevil.
18:15<grummund>Hi guys, i'm looking for ideas what I could run on my server to allow people to IM chat with me without them needing any special client software?
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18:18<old>laurence_: I have no idea then... :(
18:18<craigevil>grummund: bitlbee + irssi or whatever irc client you are using
18:19<laurence_>old: what is disturbing is that it looks like I am not getting security updates via the command-line tools, and as I have to adminster this machine remotely.... :-(
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18:19<themill>laurence_: the output of "apt-cache policy ; aptitude full-upgrade" might be instructive
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18:19<grummund>craigevil: but the other user still needs a client of some description...
18:20<craigevil>grummund: yes but bitlbee supports all of the IM protocls, even supports facebook chat and twitter
18:21<grummund>ok, lemme rephrase it... ;-)
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18:22<dupondje>Somebody has any idea why when I login into vsftpd, my dmesg adds 'lo: Disabled Privacy Extensions' ?
18:23<grummund>party 'x' has no irc or IM chat client installed, and is not signed up to facebook, etc. also probably their corporate firewall blocks these services...
18:23<grummund>how can i use my server to let them online chat with me?
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18:25<bja>grummund: there is perl program that does online chatting, they would only need to contact your http site
18:25<qq->dupondje, google it
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18:25<dupondje>qq-: didn't found a response on it
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18:26<grummund>all i can think of is run ircd + apache + some webpage script thingy that let's them online irc chat locally on the webserver
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18:26<grummund>a bit like freenode have (although i have now idea how that works)
18:27<qq->dupondje, google say its something about IPv6
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18:27<themill>There are things like
18:27<dupondje>qq-: I totally don't use ipv6, neither is the ipv6 support on vsftpd enabled ...
18:27<dupondje>weird :s
18:28<bja>grummund: apt-cache show cgiirc
18:28<grummund>bja: any idea what it's called, so i can google it?
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18:28<grummund>thanks :)
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18:30<bja>Condor: Having nick trouble?
18:30<laurence_>themill: Perhaps I don't understand the output of apt-cache policy, but I don't see anything that I recognize as curious.
18:31<themill>laurence_: can you stick that output in a pastebin for us? /msg dpkg paste
18:31<Condor>Oh god. I spammed this palce.
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18:31<Condor>I am so embarassed.
18:31<laurence_>themill: However, full-upgrade does want to remove libgpod3 and install libgpod4-nogtk, so perhaps update is doing nothing because it can't proceed without removing a package?
18:31<Condor>My keyboard settings were not set to International and instead some other language
18:31<laurence_>themill: OK, I'll paste in both.
18:32<Condor>How the heck was I not kicked out. :o)
18:32<bja>We sometimes can bear a little slopines
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18:36<laurence_>themill: OK, here:
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18:38<themill>laurence_: aptitude's proposed solution looks entirely sensible to me. I'd go with it.
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18:42<laurence_>themill: I hadn't tried full-upgrade since getting the system moved to lenny--I wonder if I didn't get the job finished?
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18:43<themill>quite possibly, although with the small number of packages to be upgraded there, I'd guess that you must have done a {dist,full}-upgrade at some stage.
18:43<laurence_>I don't see anything insane about it either.
18:44<laurence_>themill: Sure, I tried to follow the upgrade instructions pretty faithfully. The only deviation I recall is that safe-upgrade would timeout, so I had to do the dist-upgrade all in one go and hope for the best.
18:44<laurence_>Anyway...I'm going to let it go ahead right now and see what happens....
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18:48<dinomite>What is the meaning of the suffix '-0d' or '-1d' on Debian packages?
18:48<dinomite>Such as libnss3-1d:
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18:59<DevNullnDull>Does anyone know of a good packages or software that makes managing PXE boot server easier? Basiclly manage the files and boot configs. Or do you know any great website the help with managing large PXE servers?
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19:06<laurence_>themill: It seems to have done the full-upgrade OK, and booted fine into the new kernel.
19:06<themill>!congratulate laurence_
19:06<dpkg>Woohoo laurence_, you did it!
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19:07<laurence_>themill: But I expected it to at least complain to me if it couldn't update, and it just acted as though nothing was available. So either I expected wrongly, or something unusual was happening.
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19:08<themill>laurence_: "aptitude safe-upgrade" should have picked up those updates on its own, a full-upgrade shouldn't even have been necessary
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19:08<laurence_>themill: Well, I didn't try safe-upgrade again after I did the full dist-upgrade.
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19:09<themill>so what were you running when you said that there were no updates available?
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19:09<laurence_>themill: I was a bit unhappy that the safe-upgrade the instructions specified couldn't be done because it timed out.
19:09<laurence_>themill: aptitude, and then I tried apt-get to see if it would behave the same. It checked the mirrors and then exited without fuss.
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19:10<themill>laurence_: precisely what command did you give?
19:10<laurence_>themill: 'aptitude update'
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19:11<laurence_>themill: Perhaps I'm being confusing. During the upgrade to lenny, I ran 'aptitude safe-update', but it timed out. So I had to just do 'aptitude dist-upgrade' without the safe-upgrade first.
19:12<themill>laurence_: that only refreshes the package list, it doesn't try to upgrade the packages. For that you need "aptitude safe-upgrade". The last line of the output of "aptitude update" would say "Current status: X updates" however.
19:12<laurence_>themill: After it appeared upgraded successfully, then I just did the update.
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19:12<themill>laurence_: keeping up to date is a two step process. "aptitude update" then "aptitude safe-upgrade". Either one on its own won't do anything for you.
19:12<laurence_>themill: Hmm. You know, I haven't run a Debian system for a while--I wonder if I was misremembering yum syntax.
19:13<themill>sounds like it!
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19:13<laurence_>themill: There was no 'safe-update' the last time I was administering Debian, but it's quite possible the procedure then was 'update/upgrade' an I simply forgot.
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19:14<laurence_>themill: If so, I'll be embarassed. But yes, I believe yum always refreshes its lists and then downloads on an update. So I bet that is it.
19:14*laurence_ hangs head in shame.
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19:14<themill>yep. one of the reasons why it's so damned slow to do anything
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19:14<laurence_>themill: Indeed, it is slow. I tend to blame that on python, however. :-)
19:15<themill>So yes, it used to be update then upgrade. It's now update then safe-upgrade. upgrade and dist-upgrade were renamed in aptitude because so many people have no idea what "dist-upgarde" actually meant. (/msg dpkg dist-upgrade)
19:15<laurence_>themill: The last release or two appears to have sped it up from insanely slow to just crazy slow. :-)
19:15<themill>I don't miss it.
19:16<laurence_>themill: I've been using Fedora because it has the best pro-audio support, but I don't seem to be doing any pro-audio and I found some instabilities that never happened in Debian.
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19:17<laurence_>themill: And so I may move my own machines back to Debian as well (the one in question I won't have access to very often, and so Debian's stability basically trumps any other consideration).
19:18*laurence_ trusts Debian like Slackware, but Slackware doesn't have the packages. :-)
19:19<laurence_>themill: Thanks very much--I'd have probably taken forever to figure out that my assumptions were just wrong.
19:19<themill>no worries
19:20<laurence_>Hmm. I have one other odd thing--after the upgrade, gnome keeps popping dialog windows and such up *under* what is already on the screen, something I've not seen before. A minor point, but I have to leave this with my folks and I am sure it will lead to great trouble.
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19:22<jhutchins_lt>laurence_: I had a system start doing thing in KDE, a reboot fixed it.
19:23<laurence_>jhutchins_lt: This survived a reboot--though I guess I'd better see if the upgrade I just did fixed it.
19:23<laurence_>jhutchins_lt: I wish it were using KDE, but the folks seem to find Gnome friendlier. Or so I think.
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19:24<jhutchins_lt>I think Gnome's probably harder to break.
19:24<laurence_>jhutchins_lt: Well, that too. :-) As it is, I have found panels moved to strange places.....
19:25<Mithos>sorry to ask so many questions so soon (I'm too used to ubuntu =P) but can someone explain lvm to me. I get the basic idea - I'm wondering if there are any disadvantages to using it (as to me it's all better than normal partitioning)
19:26<jhutchins_lt>Yes, there are disadvantages.
19:26<jhutchins_lt>It is an additional point of failure and really isn't necessary for most users.
19:27<jhutchins_lt>If you keep your setup simple with a single partion + swap you won't ever need it.
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19:28<Mithos>I normally do a seperate partition for home as well so reinstalling desn't affect my data
19:29<jhutchins_lt>Mithos: Since you have backups of your data anyway, that really shouldn't matter.
19:30<Mithos>no but it speeds things up cos then I'm not having to restore from my backup
19:31<Mithos>(and 50Gbish over usb2 takes a while)
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19:36<Mithos>ok thanks
19:37<laurence_>jhutchins_lt: It seems to have survived the upgrade and reboot. I don't know of a Gnome setting to change that, either. Gnome doesn't like even having settings, after all....
19:38<bja>Mithos: try an ethernet link. Way faster to restore specially if you have gigabit speeds :)
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19:38<Mithos>yeah but my backups on an external hdd which only has usb
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22:14<eythian>Hi, I'm trying to run 'pbuilder create' on a squeeze machine, but it always ends with this:
22:14<eythian>any ideas?
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22:46<Silicium01>Are laptops with AMD chips Debian safe?
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22:50<dvs>Silicium01: why wouldnt they be?
22:50<dondelelcaro>Silicium01: the actual CPU doesn't really make a difference; it's everything else that matters
22:50<Silicium01>dvs, dondelelcaro I just wanted to know that sources will have binaries up to date, compiled for AMD chips
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22:51<Silicium01>maybe I'm just a little too paranoid
22:51<dvs>Silicium01: they use the same binaries as Intel
22:51<Silicium01>dvs, I see
22:52<Silicium01>Buying a laptop is so hard
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22:55<jhutchins_lt>dpkg: any ideas
22:55<dpkg>Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of string, a little sauerkraut, and a dozen sex-crazed weasels. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few minutes!
22:56<jhutchins_lt>Silicium01: I prefer to be given them for sexual favors.
22:57<Silicium01>lol, I'm not that good looking
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23:21<dkr>there is no cabal
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23:27<dpawson905>i have a question about wordpress
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23:40<john>any1 here?
23:40<john>i need some urgent help with my wireless broadband modem
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23:41<john>i need some urgent help with my wireless broadband modem
23:41<XayOn>john: ok, just tell the problem right?
23:41<john>ya. It doesnt detect my modem at all
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23:41<john>But wired aonfig is working well
23:42<john>mine is a teracom BSNL(India) Wi-fi modem
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