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00:43<mshindo>why would files installed to debian/tmp/usr/lib not be included in the deb package by dpkg-buildpackage ?
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00:45<SoloFlyer>mshindo: more information...?
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00:46<mshindo>sure, I have a full explanation here: But will go over it here. I have a c++ library I am packaging, and dh_make, and dpkg-buildpackage succeed. But when I view the contents of the generated packages, there is nothing but template files in there. No sign of the libraries im packaging.
00:47<mshindo>if I look in debian/tmp/lib after performing dpkg-buildpackage, the libs are there, but they never get included in the .deb package itself
00:47<mshindo>its _killing_ me :(
00:49<dpkg>somebody said mentors was the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. #debian-mentors on
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03:06<Mortvert>it's always like this at morning?
03:07<slush>like what?
03:08<old>That someone is cutting grass under your window? Yes. :[
03:08<Mortvert>old - close enough
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03:09<Mortvert>someone is renovating building next to me
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03:10<Mortvert>so it's really noisy D:
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03:55<Mortvert>meh, this channel is made out of idlers?
03:56<Mortvert>good to hear that
03:56<the-dude>slush: \o/
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03:57<slush>the-dude: hehe :)
03:57<cthuluh>the-dude: \o/
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03:58<Mortvert>i wonder
03:58<Mortvert>if there is wolfensten: enemy territory at apt-get
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03:59<dr|z3d>If you have a support question, wonder out loud, Mortvert. Otherwise, wander elsewhere. :)
03:59<Mortvert>naw, not support
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03:59<Mortvert>just wondering, since all i found is .run scripts
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04:00<Mortvert>like this
04:01<dr|z3d>apt-cache searcg wolfenstein will tell you what's available.
04:01<dr|z3d>The scripts are there probably to facilitate running the windows binaries, I suspect.
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04:02<dr|z3d>Try something up to date, perhaps, like alienarena.. available natively for Linux.
04:03<Mortvert>isn't alien arena dead?
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04:07<Mortvert>it's only 550 mb
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04:08<morphium>Good morning :) Is there a way to upgrade only some packets? I did apt-get upgrade and there are 220 packets for upgrading, but I don't want to upgrade all at once. apt-get upgrade packet doesnt work
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04:08<jm_>install will do what you want
04:09<SoloFlyer>morphium: just do apt-get install <the packages you want>
04:09<SoloFlyer>morphium: then it will install the latest versions of those packages
04:09<morphium>okay, but install will mark the packet as packet to install... how can i see wether a packet is only installed because its a dependency and what packages are installed because someone did apt-get install <packet> ?
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04:10<SoloFlyer>morphium: is there certain ones you dont want to upgrade?
04:10<SoloFlyer>morphium: you could just mark the ones that you dont want to upgrade as on hold
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04:10<SoloFlyer>morphium: then when you do an apt-get upgrade it wont upgrade those
04:10<morphium>soloflyer no i wanna see what packages got installed because they are dependencies, and what were explicitly installed
04:11<jm_>see if apt-cache shows automatically installed header, like aptitude
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04:15<SoloFlyer>morphium: let me know if you work it out...
04:17<morphium>i want something like dpkg --get-selections but there is only "installed", i want "installed on user request" or "installed as dependency"
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04:18<SoloFlyer>morphium: i understand what you want i just dont know how to do it :P
04:19<SoloFlyer>morphium: there is some information relating to it here though /var/lib/apt/extended_states
04:20<SoloFlyer>morphium: its a text list of all the installed packages and if they wre auto-installed or not
04:20<morphium>ah cool
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04:21<Mortvert>i wonder why everytime i run apt-get install my connection is getting raped
04:21<Mortvert>like i can't even open google in browser, says site is not found
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04:21<SoloFlyer>morphium: try grep -B1 "Auto-Installed: 0" /var/lib/apt/extended_states
04:22<Mortvert>oh, any my messages have a slow-down of something over 20 seconds
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04:22<Mortvert>any ideas how to limit apt-get download rate?
04:24<SoloFlyer>Mortvert: set up apt-get to fetch packages through a proxy and rate limit the proxy, or rate limit apt-get using iptables, or setup tc to qos your link
04:24<ebrahim>Mortvert, there is a config entry in apt.conf: Acquire::http:Dl-Limit "10";
04:25<Mortvert>ok, thanks. i'll set that in apt.conf later, since apt is running atm
04:25<ebrahim>Mortvert, it limits the HTTP download speed to 10K.
04:25<SoloFlyer>ebrahim: nice i didnt know about that
04:25<mixalis>Hello, I download the firefox 4 beta today but I can not run it. I get this message: ./firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
04:25<Mortvert>and i'm having a huge lag. :|
04:25<ebrahim>SoloFlyer, anyway even if that option was not available, I think using userspace shapers (like shaperd) was easiest.
04:26<Mortvert>less - nice ping i have? :3
04:27<mixalis>i search for for the libxul and there is in /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.1
04:27<SoloFlyer>ebrahim: interesting... i havent used shaperd before...
04:27<mixalis>why it does not run?
04:27<cthuluh>Mortvert: before I made up my own script, I used wondershaper. quite simple and useful
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04:28<Mortvert>cthuluh - what's wondershaper?
04:28<SoloFlyer>Mortvert: it script that automatically configures TC to qos your internet connection
04:28<Mortvert>btw - my actual connection with apt running is like 56k
04:29<jm_>Mortvert: tools like trickle will help for simple apt-get limiter
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04:30<ebrahim>Mortvert, have you seen debdelta ?
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04:31<ebrahim>Mortvert, it sometimes helps with slower connections.
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04:32<Mortvert>ebrahim - normally my connection d/l speed is 130 kb/s
04:32<Mortvert>with apt-get running my current useable speed is 56 k
04:32<SoloFlyer>ebrahim: interesting havent seen that before
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04:32<ebrahim>SoloFlyer, :)
04:32<Mortvert>130 kB/s *
04:32<SoloFlyer>Mortvert: what type of connection do you have?
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04:33<ebrahim>cthuluh, have you seen trickle, shaperd, ...?
04:34<Mortvert>gah, the apt will finish in 5 minutes. and by connection type you mean something like ppoe?
04:34<ebrahim>cthuluh, they are userspace dead-simple, and just work.
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04:34<Mortvert>give me 7 minutes, till the apt-get will finish downloading so i'll have my full connection capacity
04:34<cthuluh>ebrahim: didn't know about shaperd. but I prefer to use tc directly :)
04:35<ebrahim>chahibi, so you are a _real_ man! ;-)
04:35<cthuluh>also didn't know about debdelta, nice tool
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04:36<SoloFlyer>ebrahim: i havent used shaperd ro trickle what are they like in comparison to tc
04:38<ebrahim>SoloFlyer, they run your app limiting just its socket speed. say: sudo tricke -d 10 apt-get upgrade
04:38<ebrahim>SoloFlyer, it limits download speed of apt-get to 10KiB.
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04:38<SoloFlyer>ebrahim: ahh i see not a userspace replacement for tc at all then i see :)
04:39<Mortvert>got back to full connection capacity
04:39<Mortvert>SoloFlyer, what did you mean by type of connection?
04:39<toni>I'm new to pbuilder and have a significant problem with it and 'DEBBUILDOPTS'. Please see Same as BTS#229834 ?
04:39<SoloFlyer>Mortvert: adsl dialup isdn?
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04:40<Mortvert>installed wondershaper, how do i use that? manpage doesn't explain it clearly
04:41<Mortvert>wondershaper apt-get 40 0?
04:41<Mortvert>meh, won't work
04:41<jm_>read its README file
04:42<Zathras_>Hi. I upgraded from Lenny to Squeeze and ran into: /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for / (is /dev mounted?). Followed all kind of hints found via google/debian bugbase inc. those from grubmaintainers. Still the error remains
04:42<SoloFlyer>Mortvert: wondershaper is a script to setup tc, tc is for qosing an interface
04:42<Zathras_>mortver: /usr/share/doc/wondershaper ?
04:42<cthuluh>Mortvert: do not try blindly.
04:42<SoloFlyer>Mortvert: its not used like trickle
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04:43<cthuluh>guessing how it works is the best way to screw up your system
04:43<shelf>morning folks. just switched to debian from slack, trying to set up super-basic dsa key ssh auth. standard method doesn't seem to work. is there any debian-specific differences for this that i may have missed? had a dig through ssh_config and nothing stood out.
04:43<morphium>SoloFlyer I only have 1 package with auto-installed 0 ... i guess the file isn't complete ^^
04:43<Mortvert>gah. all i want is to limit just apt-get
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04:43<SoloFlyer>Mortvert: just put the dl-limit in apt-conf as previously mentioned
04:44<cthuluh>Mortvert: you could also shape your traffic in order to never get enormous lags, whatever you are doing
04:44<Zathras_>shelf, afaik "standard" method should work. Try to debug with ssh -vvv also make sure fs permissions are right
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04:45<SoloFlyer>shelf: i would be curious waht you consider the "standard" method...
04:45<Mortvert>cthuluh - it's whenever i buffor movie using flashplayer or download bigger packages using apt-get
04:45<Mortvert>theyre eating up on my connecting
04:45<old>debdiff-upgrade is cool. Is there something similar for Packages file?
04:45<SoloFlyer>old: i was wondering that before :P
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04:46<Zathras_>after the latest update of squeeze some movieplayers like Totem are no longer able to find codecs when run as user X, running as root finds the codecs. How can I fix this please?
04:46<shelf>standard method i would consider to be plain old dsa 1024 bit with a passphrase, scp ~/.ssh/ server:.ssh/authorized_keys
04:46<old>I've heard that APT was to have a support for diffs, but never heard if it already has it.
04:46<SoloFlyer>Mortvert: wondershaper will take a bit more reading and effort but it will solve your lag issues for everything
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04:47<Mortvert>since i downloaded wondershaper i'll use it - but bit later
04:47<SoloFlyer>shelf: that should work perfectly and has done for me on every box i administer
04:47<toni>shelf: i'm doing this with rsa keys, and have no problems. maybe your file ownership and permissions are messed up?
04:48<shelf>me too, until now. its offering id_dsa, then the reply tries to find id_rsa
04:48<gsimmons>old: /msg dpkg pdiff
04:48<shelf>debug2: we did not send a packet, disable method
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04:48<toni>i don't have id_dsa in my .ssh
04:49<Zathras_>anyone on my grub issue please?
04:49<old>gsimmons: Thank you.
04:49<shelf>well, i've generated dsa keys, not rsa
04:49<Zathras_>dsa works fine too
04:49<shelf>yeah, it has in the past
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04:49<shelf>not sure why its requesting an rsa private though. i'm gonna clear both directories and start again with rsa
04:49<SoloFlyer>gsimmons: funny enough i knew about that already... for some reason it didnt click....
04:49<Zathras_>I made a dsa setup like a week ago on Lenny. Worked fine then
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04:50<SoloFlyer>Zathras_: what was your grub issue?
04:51<Zathras_>Hi. I upgraded from Lenny to Squeeze and ran into: /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for / (is /dev mounted?). Followed all kind of hints found via google/debian bugbase inc. those from grubmaintainers. Still the error remains
04:51<Zathras_>fstab contains uuid now
04:51<Zathras_>did "the echo trick"
04:51<old>gsimmons: I already have and I fetch 6MiB od Packages files each time I update. :(
04:52<Zathras_>rebuilded initrd files
04:52<Zathras_>rebooted a zillion times
04:52<SoloFlyer>Zathras_: is always that last time that fixes it ;)
04:52<Mortvert>finally got a sip: phone
04:53<toni>shelf: you have both kinds of keys in /etc/ssh?
04:53<Zathras_>echo change > /sys/block/dm-0/uevent
04:53<shelf>local or remote, toni ?
04:53<dr|z3d>Zathras_: check with blkid that fstab has the correct mappings.
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04:53<toni>remote, methinks
04:53<lancelot_of>hi all
04:53<SoloFlyer>shelf: and or local
04:53<shelf>local had neither
04:53<shelf>remote has both
04:54<dr|z3d>Zathras_: ah, nevermind.. seems you have it fixed already.
04:54<lancelot_of>how to convert djvu to pdf?i tried with Export as pdf in djview, but the file created is made of N totally blank pages, with N equal to the number of pages of the original document
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04:55<old>gsimmons: Is there a package I have to install to achieve this?
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04:56<shelf>ok it seems to be getting caught on debug2: we did not send a packet, disable method
04:56<Zathras_>dr|z3d, looks fine, boots fine
04:57<Mortvert>can i pm you?
04:57<SoloFlyer>shelf: you have the private key locally right?
04:57<Zathras_>grub-pc can still not be setup/reinstalled correctly. Same for memtest86+ 4.0
04:57<shelf>yeah, i've just gone overboard and generated a rsa and dsa pair for both machines
04:58<dr|z3d>Zathras_: Are you installing it on the drive itself, or to a specific partition?
04:58<Zathras_>shelf, I still put my momey on filerights
04:58<old>Mortvert: I'm leaving in two minutes. Back on Monday evening.
04:58<shelf>i've done 0600 on authorized_keys, what should i be using for the privkeys?
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04:58<toni>0400 or 0600, too
04:58<SoloFlyer>shelf: 0600
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04:59<toni>I do chmod -R go= ~/.ssh
04:59<Zathras_>dr|z3d, everything is on a hw raid-1 setup. grub is in /dev/sda (drive, not in a partition)
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04:59<Mortvert>i don't have polish letters on here, wich i need :|
04:59<toni>Mortvert: what about scim?
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04:59<toni>that allows me to type "most" languages.
04:59<SoloFlyer>toni: always a good idea ;)
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05:00<Mortvert>toni - i had my special letters under alt+letter
05:00<shelf>no joy. urg. digging thru ssh_config again for errant settings...
05:00<Mortvert>now the alt+ something is gone, dunno why
05:00<toni>and through sshd_config
05:00<SoloFlyer>toni 0400 id_rsa
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05:00<Slydder1>anyone here know how I would get a dialog to work with checkinstalls postinstall-pak to request a password.
05:01<dr|z3d>Slydder1: gksudo ?
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05:01<toni>Mortvert: i set this with xmodmap
05:01*dr|z3d isn't sure what Slydder1's asking.
05:01<toni>but for real i18n,i use scim
05:01<Mortvert>łąćźż k fixed
05:01<SoloFlyer>Slydder1: ssh-askpass
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05:02<valkure>solo theres a whole tut on it
05:02<SoloFlyer>valkure: tut on what?
05:02<Slydder1>with checkinstall you can use pre and post install scripts just like when you build a package with the normal build utils.
05:02<toni>SoloFlyer: afair, ~/.ssh is usually 0755, which is far to open for my taste
05:03<Slydder1>the problem is that dialog doesn't seem to want to work from within the script.
05:03<toni>still no joy with pbuilder...
05:04<Mortvert>happy happy joy joy
05:04<SoloFlyer>toni: seemed to be 0600 on my box
05:04<Mortvert>everything works :3
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05:04<toni>SoloFlyer: a directory of 0600 is no joy, either
05:04<SoloFlyer>toni oh you mean the directory i was just talking about id_rsa
05:05<SoloFlyer>toni yeah default directory 0755 id_rsa defaut 0600
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05:05<toni>yes, but I'd like the directory to have 0700 better
05:07<SoloFlyer>toni: just created a new user and then ssh'ed to a box defaults to 0700
05:07<SoloFlyer>toni: i was assuming that i had changed it to that on my local box :P and that it had the same default permissions as everything else in a home directory
05:08<toni>ouch... you're right
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05:09<toni>must be stale data in my brain
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05:09<SoloFlyer>toni: lol i know that feeling :P
05:09<toni>weasel: hi!
05:10<SoloFlyer>Night guys ;)
05:10<Mortvert>SoloFlyer, nigh
05:10<toni>good night!
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05:12<shelf>oh lord, this is infuriating
05:12<sander_m>Hi. Does anyone know mdadm? I have been using it for years without any problem, but this morning mdadm sent me an e-mail about a fail event related to /dev/sdb. I installed smartmontools and tried to run `smartctl --all` on the devices. It works for /dev/sda but fails for /dev/sbd.
05:12<jm_>fails how?
05:13<sander_m>mdamd email:, dmesg:, smartctl for both drives:
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05:13<sander_m>Quite frankly, I don't know what to do.
05:13<madduck>sander_m: so your drive failed. replace it.
05:14<shelf>take the platter out + invest in an electron microscope
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05:14<sander_m>madduck: Is it really entirely dead? How can I tell? Curiously, this happened only a few hours after I updated my Squeeze, which came with a warning about new (s)ata drivers
05:15<madduck>sander_m: i don't know. it might come back up after a restart
05:15<madduck>might be a controller error
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05:17<sander_m>But how can I tell? Also, doesn't mdadm store somewhere that the drive has failed? If I reboot my server, will it try to restart it again or will it simply skip it now that it has marked it as failed?
05:17<jm_>sander_m: try hardware reset first and run smartctl before doing anything with the disks (say using some rescue system)
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05:18<toni>shelf: stupid question, but how did you move from slack to debian - reformatted all except /home?
05:19<shelf>yeah, except i mv the old home files into a subdir
05:19<toni>shelf: i was only after stale binaries
05:19<shelf>ah, well yes those would be long gone.
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05:20<shelf>what's the equivalent of secure.log? i'm not so familiar with this syslogger
05:21<jm_>auth.log perhaps, don't remember what secure.log is in slack
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05:21<shelf>magic. it works
05:22<shelf>i did nothing in particular, mind you. just traced my steps about five times over
05:22<toni>dying machine?
05:22<shelf>it was permissions, in the end. although i set them correctly about 5 times. no idea!
05:23<toni>aarrgghhh - fs caching, perhaps?
05:23<jm_>running ssh/sshd -ddd helps with those
05:23<shelf>who knows. i had got into a cycle of generating new keys, go-w ~/, 700 ~/.ssh, 600 authorized keys on both machines
05:24<shelf>fifth time round, success. thankyou for your help, gents.
05:24<jm_>ssh-copy-id to the rescue
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05:43<nathan>hi, i wanna use eclipse so i installed jre and jdk on the official java website (i've downloaded .bin files). I've gotten latest eclipse for C/C++ dev version by i try to launch it by a simple ./eclipse, i get an error : The specified location in this error does not exist... i tried to move jre and jdk repository in location such as /usr/local/bin (included in PATH) but without success. Thanks
05:43<nathan> for help
05:44<jm_>that is not supported here, use debian java packages
05:44<nathan>jm_, what's the exact name of packages?
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05:44<jm_>nathan: there are several, depending on which you want to use
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05:45<nathan>jm_, ok thanks
05:46<jm_>nathan: for sun stuff it's sun-java-*
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05:46<nathan>jm_, yeah i saw that, i'm installing sun-java6-jre
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05:47<jm_>nathan: also run update-java-alternatives in case you have set it to something else
05:48<nathan>jm_, ok, i will read the man of it, thanks
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05:53<Mortvert>flash player doesn't always start
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05:56*AmberJ Gets Mortvert es <%)
05:56<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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06:32<sander_m>(Continuation from about an hour ago). I rebooted the machine into SystemRescueCD. `smartctl -a /dev/sdb` now works without any errors. What's next?
06:33<sander_m>Can I test the drive somehow?
06:33<jm_>sander_m: badblocks in read only mode
06:33<troubled>smartctl --test=long /dev/... ?
06:33<jm_>also try smart self tests
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06:34<troubled>joy. bad sectors? was just about to look up scrollback
06:34<jm_>looks like it
06:35<troubled>got a drive like that around here too. spare sectors all full and it started to fill into the fs :(
06:36<troubled>the first time though, the manufacturer floppy with powermax and similar tools, worked like a charm to clear up the first batch of them though. might be worth lookin into it
06:36<jm_>i have one sucg 80G disk, but it has 1 bad sector for some 4-5 years now
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06:37<troubled>i got another 6 months out of mine before it started showing ata failures and smart errors since the low level stuff though. makes for great temp disk :)
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06:37<troubled>sander_m: what brand of drive anyways?
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06:41<troubled>sander_m: nm, got the pastebin to load up finally. WD has a floppy disk with tools I could dd you if you want. or I could dig up the url for direct download for ya
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06:42<flinx>Hi! Can somebody tell me what happened with oldstable debian repository?
06:42<gsimmons>flinx: /topic
06:42<sander_m>troubled: What tools?
06:42<troubled> i should warn though that the WD low level tool, while may fix the ones you have, its a descrutive test/fix I found was needed to be effective
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06:43<sander_m>jm_: Where can I get the bad block in read-only mode? I don't think it shows with smartctl -a (or it's called something else). Also, I'm running a self-test now
06:43<troubled>sander_m: its a tool licensed by western digital for diagnostics on your drive. not sure how it will deal with sata though, have only tried on ide here
06:44<sander_m>troubled: Okay, send it over. Thanks.
06:44<troubled>sec then
06:45<danielsh>aptitude has a "New Packages" section. can I get that information in mailing list or rss form?
06:45*danielsh wants "new packages", not "upgradable packages"
06:46<troubled>sander_m: you have a floppy drive handy btw?
06:46<flinx>/topic "install php4 on debian 5"
06:46<sander_m>Nope. Neither my PC not my server has a floppy drive.
06:46<troubled>otherwise you are gonna have to use isolinux or something on a bootable dvd i guess
06:47<jm_>sander_m: it's available on any sane rescue system, man badblocks
06:47<sander_m>troubled: Well, I can probably scp if from my desktop to the SystemRescueCD that's running on my server now
06:47<troubled>sander_m: its DOS based tools. so if you got a network connection and a dos freedos disk/cdrom running, probbaly will be fine
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06:49<troubled>dont forget to bunzip it before you dd it or loopback mount it
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06:50<troubled>let me know if it works on sata. kinda curious
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06:52<gabryfan82>when libming1 go to lenny? can I know this?
06:52<sander_m>troubled: I'll probably borrow a floppy drive from someone else and use that. Easier than trying to make it run off a freedos ISO or something.
06:53<sander_m>jm_: Interesting. I executed `badblocks -s /dev/sdb1` and about 0.09% in, the system rebooted itself O_o
06:53<troubled>heh nice
06:54<troubled>!convert 21802 hours to years
06:54<dpkg>21802 hours is approximately 2.48716 years
06:54<troubled>still under warranty? or is that around when they started going to 1 years?
06:54<sander_m>36 months warranty. Unfortunately...
06:55<sander_m>But on the flip side, when I bought these, they were 199 euro. Now they're just 46 :-)
06:55<troubled>how old is the drive? showing les than 3 years of power on hours
06:55<sander_m>troubled: Sounds about right. I got them for my birthday a few years back (21 October).
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06:56<gabryfan82>when libming1 go to lenny? can I know this?
06:56<troubled>sander_m: which country are you?
06:57<sander_m>troubled: The Netherlands
06:58<troubled>hmm, says you are in limited warrenty!
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06:58<sander_m>I tried running badblocks again. Same thing. Reboot at 0.09% complete. So I guess the drive is toast then.
06:58<sander_m>troubled: Where do you see that?
06:58<troubled>sander_m: you can RMA it, you are still covered: "The product is still under warrenty and the serial number if valid and ready for replacement"
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06:59<troubled>sander_m: google for "wastern digital rma" and take the link to "" and pick "end user" and rma
07:00<troubled>just punch in your drives serial number and follow the prompts. you will have to mail the drive in of course, but in some cases, they give you a bigger one back when its that old :)
07:00<troubled>might get yourself a cool terabyte replacement if yer lucky (hint: drop in a $20 note with the box ;)
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07:03<troubled>just note though that if the drive isnt showing SMART errors and acting up (and you run their tools and note the error/status number), it may not be a problem worthy of replacement. looking at your SMART, it shows "PASSED". So you may not be able to actually get it replaced. especially if the powermax tools "recertify" the drive
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07:05<sander_m>troubled: The SMART output on pastebin is from the good and the bad drive. The bad drive is the first few lines. The rest is from the good drive.
07:05<sander_m>I just checked the WD website and the bad drive is eligable for replacement as well.
07:06<troubled>ahh, my apologies. didnt realise you had two drives listed. sitll good to know
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07:07<bogard>heya, regarding bash-scripting, is there a way to store stdout and stderr of a command in different variables using command substitution, that is, $(cmd) or `cmd`
07:08<bogard>tried err=$((result=$(CMD) 2>&1), but this fails due to subshell invocation
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07:09<bogard>oops, err=$((result=$(CMD)) 2>&1)
07:09<troubled>not sure if you can, but have you tried put the rediections in the $CMD maybe?
07:10<troubled>could always just put them to files and cat them back into variables as a worst case though I guess
07:11<bogard>troubled, dunno where to redirect then, since $(...) yields the output to assign to a var
07:12<bogard>and, yes, thought of redirecting to files as a very very last resort
07:12<gabryfan82>when libming1 go to lenny? can I know this?
07:12<troubled>bogard: I meant, where you set CMD="foobar", try like CMD="foobar 2>&1"
07:12<bogard>also, executing the command twice is not an option
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07:13<sander_m>It looks like the drive is thoroughly hosed. SMART self-tests refuse to run. When I run a self-test, nothing happens. The log isn't updated and it shows as if no tests have been run. When I use smartctl -C to run the test in the foreground, it errors out.
07:13<bogard>that's not the problem ... result gets assigned correctly, as
07:13<bogard>err=$((result=$(CMD); echo "intermediate result: $result") 2>&1)
07:14<bogard>shows ... it's just the point that $() invokes a subshell in which $result yields the correct value, but after the closing bracket the variable $result is not set
07:14<jm_>gabryfan82: most likely never
07:15<troubled>bogard: perhaps export result?
07:15<gabryfan82>ming ig going to abbandone?
07:15<troubled>might be getting unset after it leaves the scope of the subshell *shrug*
07:15<bogard>export works for subshells, not parent-shells ... and the surrounding code runs in a parent-shell
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07:15<gabryfan82>why never?
07:16<gabryfan82>jm_ why mever?
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07:16<jm_>gabryfan82: because stable release only get security updates and sometimes some important package updates
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07:17<troubled>bogard: maybe: err=`........`?
07:17<gabryfan82>there are the next version of ming avable to lenny?
07:17<bogard>`` does the same, it also invokes a subshell
07:17<gabryfan82>now is 0.3.0
07:18<jm_>no, it will be available in next stable release
07:18<bogard>if there were a way to transport the resultvalue from a subshell back to the parent
07:18<gabryfan82>ming 0.4.3 will go on lenny or not?
07:19<gabryfan82>ming 0.4.3 will go on stable (lenny) or not?
07:20<danielsh>is there a mailing list equivalent to aptitude's "New Packages" category?
07:21<gabryfan82>libming0 is ming 0.3.0 libming1 is ming 0.4.3... I seem with difference
07:21<bogard>also i don't know about a way to insert markers into stdout/stderr streams, so that one output-stream would suffice
07:21<jm_>bogard: source or "." works for that
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07:22<gabryfan82>ming is not discontinue on debian right?
07:22<gabryfan82>ming is not discontinued on debian right?
07:23<bogard>jm_ yup, but I still need to transfer an outputstream to a variable and the only way I know of is command substitution, which always invokes a subshell
07:23<jm_>bogard: right, there are some hacks for this and they don't always work AFAIK
07:23<jm_>gabryfan82: no, please don't repeat
07:24<gabryfan82>is continue or not?
07:26<troubled>bogard: well, tried a few things with find /proc here, but same as you; i only get err set, not result. perhaps perl would be a better way?
07:26<jm_>ahh lenny has libming0 not libming1
07:26<jm_>so you'll need to wait for next stable release to get libming1
07:26<gabryfan82>ok thank's
07:26<jm_>(libming0 is 0.3, libming1 is 0.4)
07:26<sander_m>I just got off the phone with WD (I had some questions about their RMA procedure. I've never had to RMA a product before). They're sending me a new drive. Question: Can I just take the failed drive out and reboot into Sqeeze? My e-mail is on there. I quite need that :-)
07:27<jm_>sander_m: is this raid1? if so it should work
07:28<sander_m>jm_: mdadm RAID-0. See for what /proc/mdstat says.
07:29<jm_>sander_m: it says raid1, not raid-0
07:29<bogard>troubled, would really like to stick to bash scripts, since it must run in a cygwin environment also *runs for cover* ... guess i'll just redirect the more unlikely output to a file
07:29<jm_>with raid0 you'd be in trouble
07:29<troubled>bogard: ahh, well be sure to use mktemp then. dont want windows to get any more insecure ;)
07:30<sander_m>jm_: Sorry. Got my RAID levels confused. It's mirrored.
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07:31<bogard>troubled, hehe, thanks for the hint
07:31<sander_m>Anway, jm_ and troubled, thanks for your help! I have to run off now. My little niece is celebrating her birthday :-)
07:31<jm_>sander_m: yeah so you should be able to replace it easily
07:32<troubled>sander_m: np, gl
07:32<troubled>bogard: i did find an example online that uses exec to setup some extra fh's though
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07:32<troubled>see port #4:
07:33<troubled>err, 3rd post, rating of 4
07:34<TCW>I have a weird grub1 issue: I get "The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly" while trying to repair my broken grub (booted manually with the grub-shell) with grub-install /dev/sda. I have a mdadm raid1 array for /boot so fstab and mtab point to /dev/md0 and NOT /dev/sda1... could that be the culprit?
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07:35<TCW>It may be I did "destroy" my grub yesterday by issueing "grub-install /dev/sda" (wrong xterm *g*) in the first place... but that does not explain the stage1 not found issue.
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07:37<troubled>bogard: i dont know man. im looking at his extra fh's and thinking redundant and useless redirection :|
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07:38<bogard>same here
07:38<TCW>in grub shell after booting manually "grub> setup (hd0)" prints "Error 12: Invalid device requested", points hd0 to sda and hd1 to sdb, sounds sane to me *shrug*
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07:38<troubled>he sets up #4 to redirect to #2, but then outputs #2 back to #4
07:39<bogard>and still, the stdout-output goes to #3
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07:40<bogard>and from there it goes implicitly to /dev/null
07:40<troubled>hes on some good drugs ;)
07:42<bogard>hehe, who's not? still, if I could setup pipes to lead to a variable assignment ...
07:43<troubled>bogard: im guessing that you cant just use an error level to determine the error?
07:46<bogard>troubled, hmm, have to check that ... in fact, i need the error output and at least some code-checkable indication of error
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07:46<troubled>bogard: looking around, I do see other people cycle the descriptors, like if you were to swap 2 variables via a 3rd temp var. but all the example still seem to be file based
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07:47<fl3sh>How can i change my boot loader?
07:47<fl3sh>change == edit*
07:47<bogard>tho, it may be true that I can omit storing the error message in a var, just passing it via stderr to the user
07:48<dr|z3d>fl3sh: Change, how?
07:49<fl3sh>how to edit my boot loader I mean
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07:50<troubled>bogard: seems like a decent approach. after all, shouldnt stderr be proigated to the user running the script to capture in the parent process?
07:50<bogard>quite a good thought, troubled ... so I can test on error (that is, check if stderr gets data) within the subshell, setting return code to !=0 but passing stdout via $() to a variable
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07:51<troubled>have you tried looking on freenode for a #bash channel or similar? surely the gurus would have a good idea
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07:52<troubled>although im still betting that any sane person would just tell you to use files and cat them back :)
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07:55<bogard>hehe, the more one investigates such problem the more beautiful "> file" seems
07:55<dpkg>it has been said that kiss is Keep It Simple Stupid!!!
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07:55<troubled>the approach you were trying is liable to give the next maintainer of your code a stroke :)
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07:56<cthuluh>bogard: you may find this useful:
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08:00<troubled>ah cool. looks like he verifies that its impossible using fd's
08:00<bogard>troubled, well, I think you just found an elegant solution to my concrete problem ...
08:01<troubled>just be sure to use mktemp to get your files though, or you risk symlink attack or something during file creation
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08:01<troubled>not that you probably need to worry in cygwin though, but still :)
08:03<bogard>and cthuluh, interesting page, quite at the bottom there's a description of such a hack that enables one to store stdout and err to vars
08:03<troubled>I knew i recognized that domain name, greycat!
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08:04<cthuluh>bogard: I thought that you only wanted to save stdin, and to pipe stderr to sed
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08:05<cthuluh>saving stdin in a variable is not so useful if you want to use use _after_ the pipe: the variable will be unset
08:05<cthuluh>if you want to use it* after
08:06<bogard>yup, that was the initial problem :)
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08:08<bogard>nope, initially I wanted both, stdout and stderr, in variables
08:09<troubled>what are you trying to caputure/do anyways, if you don't mind me asking?
08:10<troubled>just thinking worst case, you could write a wrapper script that makes stdout pass through, but parses the stderr and converts it into a set number of exit values
08:10<troubled>(if your app doesn't already have useful exit status constants defined)
08:11<bogard>since it's not quite easy and portable to achieve, I guess I'll stick with some workarounds regarding error handling - but still capturing all error and exiting appropriately
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08:13<cthuluh>bogard: stdin=$({ printf '%s\n' foo bar; printf '%s\n' baz >&2; } 2> >(sed 's/baz/BAZ/' > /dev/tty ))
08:13<cthuluh>(requires vbash, or perhaps zsh)
08:14<Mortvert>Why i am getting stupid ideas for projects i can't even start? >_o
08:14<bogard>troubled, it's some bash wrapper script for a small tcl library ... main issues are to further process the output of the tcl commands before returning them from wrapper-script functions and also - hahaha - keep it somewhat simple code
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08:14<troubled>heh, simple
08:15<cthuluh>bogard: in the paste, "{ printf '%s\n' foo bar; printf '%s\n' baz >&2; }" is just your command
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08:16<Mortvert>is there a application database out there somewhere?
08:16<bogard>cthuluh, vbash or zsh are not an option I guess (needs to run under cygwin also)
08:17<bogard>and to stream-output one part (stderr or stdout) wasn't an option of the initial problem
08:17<troubled>cygwin doesnt have zsh?
08:18<cthuluh>bogard: 14:06 < bogard> yup, that was the initial problem :)
08:18<bogard>I dunno, I don't use cygwin :) ... many of my colleagues do
08:18<Mortvert>In wine, if i 'install' apps using their installer .exe they just won't run :|
08:18<cthuluh>cygwin probably has bash
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08:20<bogard>cthuluh, I guess you got me wrong ... the initial problem was that one can assign stdout and stderr to vars, but one value will be lost because one of the assignments will be invoked in a subshell
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08:20<cthuluh>ok ;)
08:20<troubled>bogard: has a nice perl snippet at the end to prepend "STDOUT:" to your command
08:21<troubled>just change the other one to be "STDERR:" instead of nothing, then just parse the output accordingly.
08:21<cthuluh>bogard: in the example you have read on the webpage, one could use an uncommon character (say \a) to delimit stdin and stdout
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08:22<cthuluh>you only have to find the right character to use
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08:25<cthuluh>(I'm pretty sure that you can't find a program that outputs five '\a' in a row to stdout :)
08:25<bogard>yes guys, combining both outputs in one var with delimiting strings seems to be a common workaround ... for my concrete problem I will stick to troubleds thought to evaluate error conditions (by checking stderr) within the cmd-subst-shell and setting apropriate return codes) and storing the final result of stdout in a var
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08:29<bogard>still, approaching the general issue of storing stdout and stderr of a command in distinct vars and not being able to come up with a robust solution for every case makes me feel poorly
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08:31<bogard>since being able to do so (with an easy-syntaxed one-liner) would make bash scripting much more robust, even for now-and-then-scripters
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08:35<bogard>troubled, cthuluh, jm_: thanks a lot for your inspiration, will get back to the code now :)
08:35<jm_>no worries
08:35<troubled>np, gl
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08:38<cthuluh>you're welcome
08:38<cthuluh>troubled: you were right about the "kiss" stuff
08:39<Mortvert>"kiss" stuff?
08:39<troubled>heh. still, we all jumped in head first just for the challenge :)
08:39<dpkg>i guess kiss is Keep It Simple Stupid!!!
08:39<cthuluh>I mean, the need for such a hack is stupid :P
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08:40<cthuluh>probably as much as the solution
08:40<bogard>troubled, yep, one should at least try
08:40<troubled>imho, it seems like more of a flaw of the base app not having errorlevels. thats why they were made I am guessing, for script processing
08:41<troubled>bogard: i don't mind. at least know I know :)
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08:41<cthuluh>parsable standard and error output is indeed a quality for any software
08:41<bogard>cthuluh, my reason for using stdout and stderr instead of stdout and errorlvl is that tclsh doesn't return >0 on error but passing errormessages to stderr
08:42<Mortvert>whey when i read troubled/cthuluh/bogard/jm_ i feel so.. green?
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08:43<Mortvert>i knew that i should stay on windows :3
08:43<cthuluh>you're wrong, Mortvert
08:43<bogard>it is to say that I pipe code into tclsh instead of using "tclsh scriptfile" because the code to execute has to be dynamic ...
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08:43<cthuluh>bogard: if I were you, I would have used tmp files
08:44<Mortvert>cthuluh - nope, i don't even have a slightlest clue what are you talking about
08:44<cthuluh>Mortvert: so what?
08:44<dr|z3d>Mortvert: Getting out of your comfort zone is the first stage to enlightenment. :)
08:44<cthuluh>Mortvert: you don't forget all your windows crap in one week, heh ;)
08:44<Mortvert>and i don't know how to fix anything in debian if i break it
08:45<cthuluh>learning by error is a good school
08:45<Mortvert>for now everything is stable.. yet
08:45<troubled>Mortvert: neither do I. the trick is not to break it in the first place ;)
08:45<cthuluh>(dunno if what I just said means something, but heh...)
08:45<tomg>cthuluh: lots of people believe that we learn better from mistakes
08:45<dr|z3d>cthuluh: Sure you did. At the same time, if it ain't broke, don't fix it!
08:45<cthuluh>I do
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08:46<tomg>Mortvert: I think it's okay to be nervous on Debian :-D
08:46<tomg>it's reeeeaally powerful
08:46<bogard>cthuluh: if I had to get stdout and stderr to vars - yes ... but we figured out I can do without in my special case and also have a robust solution
08:46<Mortvert>really powerful until i install the piece of software i don't know how to configure
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08:46<Mortvert>like wondershaper
08:47<slush>everyone learns every day on linux I suppose
08:47<tomg>slush: I do and I've been using it, not every day, for eleven years
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08:48<dr|z3d>Mortvert: There's a huge body of knowledge available on the web.. don't be afraid to investigate that until you get the answers you need.. it's _all_ out there waiting to be discovered.
08:48<Mortvert>dr|z3d - that i know
08:49<Mortvert>and meh, i'm on 3rd year of IT class in high school and i dunno anything about linux
08:49<jm_>for wondershaper start by reading /usr/share/doc/wondershaper/README.Debian.gz
08:49<dr|z3d>So ignorance of software is no excuse.. ignorance of search engine syntax and lack of perserverence.. those are inexcusable!
08:49<tomg>High school... I should finish that sometime
08:50<Mortvert>well, you are in US?
08:50<Mortvert>tomg i mean
08:50<tomg>I'm Canadian.
08:50<Mortvert>USA then
08:51<Mortvert>so our scholarship systems are bit different
08:51<troubled>Mortvert: what is wondershaper? traffic shaping?
08:51<tomg>Actually I just meant that high school didn't help me with Linux
08:51<tomg>actually not true, computer repair helped a lot with PC hardware which helped me a lot with Linux. nevermind
08:51<Mortvert>and i mean we will have slackware at 3rd grade, wich i'm in :3
08:52<troubled>Mortvert: shorewall has basic traffic shaping built in. and you get a firewall tossed in for free :)
08:52<Mortvert>troubled - i already have a firewall, in router
08:52<Mortvert>had to buy one for debian, since i had one of these crappish usb modems
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08:53<troubled>Mortvert: nothing wrong with a firewall on the internal machines too. otherwise you become a hard crunchy outside, and a soft gooey inside. like google was for the china attack ;)
08:53<tomg>You are taught Linux in highschool? cool!
08:53<tomg>and for the love of pete *please* don't say Canada is the same as the USA
08:53<Mortvert>Well, for me Canada = USA, continent wise
08:53<Mortvert>also - i'm in IT class, graphic profile :|
08:54<Mortvert>that's why we get Linux in high school
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08:55<tomg>Poland, eh? Not bad. I'll tell them here that they do that there.
08:55<Mortvert>Tomg - for basic level education we have 2 schools
08:55<Mithos>how do you find out what the id of a process is from a terminal?
08:55<Mortvert>then it's high school then studies
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08:56<jm_>Mithos: which process? ps auxw | grep ...
08:56<Mortvert>one school is 6 years, next one is 3, high school is dependant on what profile you select
08:56<tomg>Mithos: yeah, that or ps -C epic4
08:56<Mortvert>IT is 4 years
08:56<Mithos>trying to stop rhytmbox from the terminal
08:56<troubled>pidof <somename>?
08:56<Mithos>tried kill and it told me I needed the process id
08:56<troubled>or killall <somename>
08:56<cthuluh>or pkill
08:57<troubled>or kill -9 `pidof somename` or .... :)
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08:57<cthuluh>no kill -9
08:57<troubled>fine -15
08:57<cthuluh>-15 is default ;)
08:57<troubled>i just like -9 ;)
08:57<cthuluh>not with rhythmbox, which works with databases
08:57<Mortvert>can i pm you?
08:58<tomg>Mortvert: I suppose so
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08:58<Mithos>well killall stopped it but it also messed up my desktop - I've got a big white blob on it now
08:58<troubled>i wonder if it was rythmbox that lagged out,or if it was nautilus
08:58<Mithos>nm - opened up an new window and that sorted the blob out
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09:07<Mortvert>and then whole channel died
09:08<troubled>or moved to #debian-offtopic maybe? </hint> ;)
09:09<Mortvert>gah. tried to do cd /sbbs/src/sbbs3; gmake RELEASE=1 and it said Gmake: command not found
09:10<troubled>you tried just "make"?
09:10<jm_>use make instead of gmake
09:10<jm_>sounds like bsd-ism
09:10<Mortvert> <
09:11<Mortvert>make worked
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09:11<Mortvert>tho some warnings appeared
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09:12<troubled>if you are looking to setup a bbs though, might i suggest dosemu or similar and an actual dos bbs? then you get a plethora of doors too!
09:12<Mortvert>hm. is compiling always taking some time?
09:12<Mortvert>troubled - way too many trouble with FOSSIL drivers and tweaking to get more than 4 virtual COM ports
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09:12<troubled>there are telnet capable fossil drivers out there, but you will need a tcp stack too
09:13<tomg>yes, compiling always taking some time
09:13<Mortvert>great. :| UNKNOWN CPU architecture and everything fell
09:13<Mortvert>a fountain of errors i can say
09:13<Mortvert>and at end got error 1
09:13<Mortvert>oh well
09:14<tomg>your document says that 64 bit support is only in cvs and preliminary. it doesn't look easy
09:14<Mortvert>shush, thought it would work with all x32 binaries i have
09:14<Mortvert>oh well
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09:15<Mortvert>so you say i need dosemu, fossil drivers with telnet capability and tcp stack?
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09:15*Mortvert shrugs
09:15<troubled>probably easier to vm it with a full freedos install. dosemu has....limitations. and all the emulations has some kind of limitation. high cpu usage as well
09:15<Mortvert>sounds difficult\
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09:16<Mortvert>arent there any bbses for linux?
09:16<troubled>there are a few i think. havent tried them. but again, lots of connections and easy setup, but then you get none of the thousands of door games out there
09:17<Mortvert>sounds way too hard for me atm
09:17<troubled>i guess it depends on what exactly you are running the bbs for
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09:17<Mortvert>i dunno, just for amusement
09:17<Mortvert>i like old stuff
09:17<Mortvert>wish someone would sell me a c64 modem
09:18<cthuluh>Mortvert: don't forget that you have the whole /usr/share/doc to read ;)
09:18<Mortvert>cthuluh, you want to kill me, or my eyes at least? >_>
09:19<Mortvert>dear god, so much folders
09:19<cthuluh>no, it will be good for you, Mortvert
09:19<Mortvert>god bless the boredom of vacation
09:19<zumbi>hi! which is best way to add groups when a new user is added to the system (via /etc/skel)?
09:19<Mortvert>so for now i'll have something to do
09:20<troubled>zumbi: a group name that matches the user name should be created for you by default with the standard tools
09:20<cthuluh>zumbi: what do you want to do?
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09:21<cthuluh>zumbi: adding groups is not related to /etc/skel , btw
09:21<Mortvert>O_o trying a different kernel?
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09:21<Mortvert>you can actually do that?
09:21<cthuluh>thta's pretty possible, Mortvert :)
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09:21<zumbi>cthuluh: when creating a new user I would like to include it by default to some groups
09:22<zumbi>cthuluh: I used to edit .bashrc in /etc/skel, but I think it is not the best way to go
09:22<troubled>zumbi: maybe you want /etc/adduser.conf and the EXTRA_GROUPS option?
09:22<zumbi>troubled: uhm.. maybe, let me check it out
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09:23<Mortvert>well, i'll drop BBS topic for now
09:23<troubled>just make sure you create them with adduser and not useradd though. think they are two seperate tools, so I dont know if the later one wil use that conf
09:24<Mortvert>overly complicated for me at this point, where i'm poking folders to check what's in them
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09:24<troubled>Mortvert: perhaps try get vmware working as a start. then something like freedos wont be a big deal to setup and tinker with later
09:25<Mortvert>then brb, searching some vmware
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09:27<zumbi>troubled: thanks, that it is what I was looking for :)
09:27<troubled>zumbi: np
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09:33<Mortvert>it seems like i need some keys for vmware
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09:34*zumbi uses virtualbox
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09:40<cthuluh>Mortvert: if you can, use kvm
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09:41<Mortvert>i can't connect to o_O
09:42<cthuluh>aptitude show kvm
09:43<Mortvert>it's like repo is down
09:43<Mortvert>cthuluh, can you ping it's polish default repo
09:44<Mortvert>means it's down?
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09:44<cthuluh>debian mirrors are all "ping-able", I think
09:45<cthuluh>so yes, it should be offline
09:45<Mortvert>it is offline
09:45<Mortvert>aptitude update can't connect to it
09:46<Mortvert>apt-get update
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09:46<asahi>good afternoon everyone
09:47<asahi>using debian stable, 5.0.5
09:47<asahi>has anyone sucessfully downgraded packages in stable?
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09:48<skwashd>is there somewhere on irc where the planet.d.o people hang out?
09:48<Mortvert>can't install anything atm. my default repo is down.
09:48<gsimmons>asahi: What are you trying to do?
09:48<Mortvert>skwashd, depends on what you mean
09:48<gsimmons>Mortvert: So use another mirror ; /msg dpkg debian mirrors
09:48<asahi>gsimmons: trying to downgrade kdegraphics
09:48<asahi>after an upgrade
09:49<asahi>some hazi are not displayed properly
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09:49<asahi>I cannot insert german umlaut characters
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09:49<skwashd>Mortvert: just want to ask the gatekeeper/s a couple of questions
09:49<asahi>* hanzi=chinese characters
09:49<Mortvert>i'm selecting the best server with synaptic atm
09:50<asahi>in the place of the expected characters appear empty boxes (square)
09:50<Mortvert>quite a few mirrors are down
09:50<asahi>so I have tried debian snapshot, but APT returns error
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09:51<asahi>APT says the debian snapshot server cannot be reached
09:51<Mortvert> Unable to find expected entry contrib/binary-amd64/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
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09:53<Torsten_W>there is no contrib on debian-multimedia
09:53<asahi>btw I have tried several different locales and fonts but to no success
09:53<weasel>asahi: what have you tried?
09:54<asahi>weasel: to render all chinese characters properly
09:54<weasel>no, I mean about snapshot
09:54<asahi>and to be able to insert german Umlaut-charecters
09:54<asahi>I nserted the snapshot mirror in sources.list
09:55<asahi>APT reported the mirror cannot be reached
09:55<asahi>then I tried to manually download all needed packages and install by hand
09:55<asahi>to be precise
09:56<asahi>I copied tens of debs to /var/apt/cache or something
09:56<asahi>where aptitude stores the binaries
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09:56<asahi>and then I told aptitude to install a previous version
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09:57<asahi>aptitude install kdegraphics=4:3.5.9 blah blah
09:57<weasel>what was the snapshot sources.list entry?
09:57<asahi>weasel; give me a sec
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10:00<Mortvert>WARNING: The character device /dev/vboxdrv does not exist.
10:00<Mortvert> Please install the virtualbox-ose-modules package for your kernel and
10:00<Mortvert> load the module named vboxdrv into your system.
10:01<Mortvert>how do i load that module?
10:01<asahi>deb pool linux-2.6
10:01<asahi>deb-src pool linux-2.6
10:01<weasel>Mortvert: modprobe
10:01<weasel>Mortvert: edit /etc/modules if you want to still have it after a reboot.
10:01<asahi>weasel, this was the entry in sources.list
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10:01<cthuluh>baaaad virtualbox
10:01<weasel>asahi: and what was that supposed to do exactly?
10:02<Mortvert>i dunno how to operate that software you said i should be using
10:02<cthuluh>hey, you're on holidays, Mortvert , aren't you? :)
10:02<Sokol^>hey there - ive just installed debian. I would like to fix it to a server, how can I disable the graphic desktop on autostart (X11?) ?
10:02<asahi>weasel, it had to install a previous version of kdegraphics; oops, instead of linux-2.6 it had kdegraphics
10:02<cthuluh>Mortvert: you have enough time to learn how to use it
10:03<asahi>the entry was
10:03<asahi>deb pool
10:03<asahi>deb-src pool
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10:03<weasel>asahi: you realize snapshot.debian.*NET* hasn't been updated in years?
10:03<weasel>asahi: you might want to check out, but it has a slightly different url scheme
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10:04<asahi>will try ORG
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10:16<asahi>weasel, the .org site works; thank you
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10:16<weasel>good luck
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10:31<Mortvert>zigo - something wrong with your connection?
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10:33<zigo>Mortvert: Ask the ministry of communication of the People's Republic of China. :)
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10:34<zigo>If I could I'd get a decent one,but they do not have such offer here.
10:35<Mortvert>come to poland :D
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10:38<Godel>For some reason, when I type certain characters in a TTY terminal, the shell displays unreadable characters. Anyone have this happen to them?
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10:40<dr|z3d>Godel: Maybe you've got the wrong keymapping for your keyboard, or the wrong locale is set.
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10:41<Mortvert>hey dr|z3d :)
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10:43<Godel>OK, thanks. But it only happens in TTY2 after I viewed a Non-ASCII file using more and canceled out of it.
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10:52<Mortvert>wtf is going on
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10:52<Mortvert>i'm copying music from desktop to my mp3 player
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10:52<Mortvert>and when i unplug it nothing is on it
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10:54<Godel>Perhaps you are copying to the wrong folder?
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10:55<Mortvert>perhpas i'm copying it directly to player?
10:56<weasel>are you unmounting before unplugging?
10:56<bartm>Mortvert: maybe you forgot to unmount/eject
10:56<Mortvert>i'm still doing it windows-style
10:57<Mortvert>unplug directly after copying
10:57<weasel>that's even wrong in windows
10:57<Mortvert>it used to break files i copied
10:57<Mortvert>when i used unmount in windows
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11:00<Mortvert>now something is VERY wrong
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11:01<Mortvert>clicked unmount on my mp3 drive
11:01<Mortvert>now all icons are gone from desktop ._.
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11:09<Godel>Perhaps you are copying to the wrong folder?lol
11:09<Mortvert>godel - nope
11:10<Mortvert>now music is on player
11:10<Mortvert>but icons won't come back >:3
11:10<weasel>sounds like a good trade? :)
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11:11<Mortvert>i didn't know that debian used exchange system
11:11<Mortvert>music for desktop icons
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11:12<Mortvert>movies for kernel?
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11:18<bartm>Mortvert: does restarting gdm bring back the icons ? or have you moved them along with the music to your mp3 player ? :)
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11:19<shra>i am trieing to install linux on my emac
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11:19<shra>let me get the specs
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11:20*bartm wonders whether Mortvert's xchat window has disappeared as well
11:20<Zathraz>hi. Running Lenny. I installed Firebird classic RDBMS. isql-fb on files works ok. But over TCP I get errors that it cannot find the security DB. gsec -display works fine
11:21<shra>emac a1002
11:21<Mortvert>bartm - nope
11:21<Mortvert>i still have it on tray
11:21<Mortvert>bartm - as in /etc/init.d/gdm restart?
11:21<shra># Integrated ATi Radeon 7500 grapics i just get a black screen upon boot
11:21<bartm>Mortvert: yes that is what I meant
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11:22<shra>debian latest release
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11:23<Mortvert>it didn't restart, it shut down
11:23<Mortvert>but well, icons are back
11:23<bartm>and the music is still there? :)
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11:24<Mortvert>it's on my stick, wich is unplugged
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11:24<Mortvert>and on desktop too
11:24<Mortvert>bah, have to get used to this OS
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11:26<bartm>Mortvert: maybe you expected it to "reload" instead of "restart"
11:26<Cadmium01>anyone running Debian on HP DV series? DV2000 DV6000 or DV9000?
11:26<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
11:26<Mortvert>bartm - whatever, it helped.
11:27<Cadmium01>bartm, how would I ask this question then?>
11:28<bartm>Cadmium01: describe the problem you're experiencing
11:28<Zathraz>"are there hw/sw issues when running Debian flavor X on HP hardware Y" which make it impossible to install/require extra care when installing?
11:28<Cadmium01>bartm, I'm about to buy a DV2000 or DV6000 or DV9000 HP laptop, and want to confirm that it will run Debian properly (wireless will work, sound, etc.)
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11:29<Zathraz>would have been more informatibe imho
11:29<dpkg>All there is worth knowing about Linux and laptops can be found at and . For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. Also ask me about <acpi>, <laptop mode>, <netbook>, <pcmcia>, <suspend>. . See also the debian-laptop mailing list:
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11:30<bartm>Zathraz: you're right
11:31<Cadmium01>that site just has (Ubuntu) on the side, o figure what may go wrong...
11:31<Cadmium01>I wish there was a debian specific repo
11:31<bartm>which site?
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11:33<Zathraz>Cadmium01, unlike popular believe. A distro does not support/unsupport certain hw. The kernel/drivers have to do with that. So... if it runs on Koala whatever with kernel x.y.z it is quite likely to run on Debian Q with x.y.z
11:33<Godel>How man I correct a display problem in tty2? The problem is that some characters are displayed consistently as unreadable characters only in tty2, not in tty1.
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11:33<Cadmium01>Zathraz, thanks for the tip
11:33<Zathraz>Godel, tried a "reset" in that terminal?
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11:34<Godel>Ok, so I just type reset?
11:35<Godel>Wow, thanks! Problem solved.
11:35<Mortvert>should i have 25/tcp open smtp
11:35<Mortvert>111/tcp open rpcbind
11:35<Mortvert>631/tcp open ipp
11:35<Mortvert>8118/tcp open privoxy
11:35<Mortvert>9050/tcp open tor-socks
11:35-!-Mortvert was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
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11:35<Zathraz>mortvert use pastebin do not flood
11:35<Mortvert>Gah, i hate copying/pastying output from terminal
11:35<Zathraz>so do we
11:36<bartm>!tell Mortvert about paste
11:36<Mortvert>i know, bartm
11:36<Mortvert>thought it'd paste in one line, not in 5 lines
11:36<Zathraz>you can even install "pastebinit" although many pastebins that it supports do no longer work
11:36<Godel>How do you use pastebin?
11:37<sun>hi i was wondering what audioplayer people use? im looking for something that does as little signal processing as possible.
11:37<bartm>sun: mpg123
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11:38<Zathraz>Godel, check for instance but there are many alternatives
11:38<sun>bartm mpg123 is command-line ?
11:38<bartm>sun: yes
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11:39<Godel>ah so you use the application there, and then copy/paste to the screen here?
11:39<sun>bartm is it practical to use with a large collection of flac, can you load a playlist and browse it somehow?
11:39<Mortvert>wich ports shoudn't be open? O_o
11:40<Mortvert>i'm not using SMTP, and i dunno what is rpcbind or ipp
11:40<bartm>sun: it has a --list option
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11:42<Zathraz>for some of the admins @ this channel: the functionality of is quite nice. It reports back on #freenode channels. Probably it can do things like that too on oftc/debian
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11:42<Zathraz>see for instance #mercurial on freenode
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11:44<Zathraz>Godel, copy/paste to the pastebin. It gives a new url. Paste the url here. That is how pastebins work. That way a single line showsup here but all info can be read
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11:45<sun>bartm mpg123 seems more like a backend for an audio player...
11:45<Zathraz>anyone on my FirebirdSQL security2.fdb issue yet?
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11:47<Godel>Thanks again Zathraz.
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11:50<troubled>is it easy to cross compile a 32bit kernel on an amd64? the 32bit machine takes 5 hours per run, but my fastest machine is 64bit (ubuntu to boot...)
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12:15<wulph>What's the significance of the apt howto being marked obsolete? Does it signify that I should be using some other tool if I'm looking for functionality like apt-file's?
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12:18<jordanm>wulph: I beleive a lot of its information was moved into the reference manual
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12:19<jordanm>wulph: aptitude is typically recommended over apt-get, which that guide uses extensively
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12:20<wulph>Okay, thanks. I haven't quite figured out the right series of buttons to push to make aptitude tell me what I want to know, but I've found new documentation now. :)
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12:29<aliceinwire>how i can upgrade my distro from squeeze to sid ?
12:30<bartm>aliceinwire: no insult meant, but the fact that you're asking this, indicates that it's a bad idea
12:31<aliceinwire>i need it for upgrade a testing cowbuilder chroot to unstable
12:31<locklace>if you can't work out how to upgrade to sid, you shouldn't be running sid. end of story
12:32<aliceinwire>mmm but this is not a chan for helping ?
12:32*jordanm thinks the same applies for testing
12:32<bartm>aliceinwire: I think we're helping you :)
12:32<jordanm>aliceinwire: at the discression of the people offering the help
12:32<aliceinwire>you are helping me saying that i can't use debian testing for packaging ?
12:32<Torsten_W>and btw, only the cowbuilder-chroot needs the update to sid, if you need it for cowbuilder
12:33<aliceinwire>you are helping me saying that i can't use debian unstable for packaging ?
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12:33<jordanm>aliceinwire: packaging is a much more advanced topic than upgrading to sid, but you were able to figure that out?
12:34<aliceinwire>okok thanks i have figure it out
12:34<kop>aliceinwire: sid is simply not supported, anywhere. You're expected to be your own support. If you have a development problem you can take that to the channel for the developers, but this is end-user tech support.
12:34<aliceinwire>not asking anymore question here
12:34<kop>aliceinwire: Well, it took me a while to type. :)
12:34<aliceinwire>take out from favorite
12:35<aliceinwire>i was only test if there was any helping people
12:35<jordanm>aliceinwire: you may also want to look at pbuilder, which is documented in the NMG, and does not require you to upgrade to sid in order to build packages against it
12:35<aliceinwire>but looks like that there isn't
12:35<aliceinwire>bye bye
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12:35<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
12:35<bartm>test succesful :)
12:35<kop>Techy techie.
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12:36<kop>Why is pbuilder useful when building against sid? It seems a package would need to be _tested_ on sid, wouldn't it?
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12:37<bartm>kop: I build with pbuilder against sid, test on testing
12:37<jordanm>kop: pbuilder ensures a clean build environment on sid. If you have a running sid system, you could have a build-dep that is not in the build-dep field of a package, and it will build, when really it should fail
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12:38<kop>jordanm: Ah.
12:38<kop>bartm: Why not test on sid?
12:38<bartm>kop: I don't have a full system running sid, because it breaks too easily, so I prefer testing
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12:39<jordanm>kop: squeeze is the _real_ target for packages uploaded to sid
12:39<jordanm>I could see real-world testing on either being fine
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12:40<kop>jordanm: How sane. Why would I want to actually _run_ sid then? What would that buy me? I was considering running a virtualbox instance for development. I should use testing instead?
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12:40<bartm>running sid is good for detecting problems and reporting bugs
12:40<jordanm>kop: personally, I have both a sid and squeeze VM, both used for testing. I do my actual development and work on stable
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12:41<jordanm>I should also point out, I am not the maintainer of any package (yet)
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12:43<jordanm>kop: also, as far as running sid does, some people prefer a bleeding-edge rolling release and don't mind dealing with breakage
12:43<bremner>kop: packages are sometimes not available in testing
12:43<jordanm>sometimes known as gentoo users :P
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12:43<bartm>fortunately some users run sid so that the 10-day delay between sid and testing makes sense :)
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12:45<jordanm>kop: also, when reporting bugs, often the devs want to know first off, does it still happen with the latest version in sid?
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12:55<steffen>whats the fastest way to read a device output?
12:55<steffen>cat /dev/ttyUSB isnt fast enough ;)
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13:02<Mortvert>jordanm, is gentoo that buggy?
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13:03<Mortvert>what is going on with these joins and parts? O_o
13:04<dkr>steffen: you could experiment with diffferent block sizes to find the most efficient for the size of data the device sends
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13:10<jhutchins_lt>Mortvert: That's what the real internet looks like. We have 400 users at this moment, from this server.
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13:10<jhutchins_lt>Mortvert: I just have my client hide 'em.
13:10<Whinis>I am having trouble with my custom compiled kernel and the forums are moving slow
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13:12<Whinis>is this the wrong room for custom kernel support ?
13:12<rking>Whinis: Well, describe your problem and we'll see.
13:13<Whinis>whenever i boot my custom kerenel it tell me EXT3-FS unable to mount /dev/sda6 due to unsupported optional features(204) however sda6 which is my root drive is ext4
13:15<rking>Whinis: Well, that sounds messed up.
13:15<Mortvert>jhutchins_lt, any ideas how to hide these in xchat?
13:15<rking>Whinis: Why is it trying to mount it as ext3, I wonder?
13:15<jhutchins_lt>Whinis: Sounds like you didn't get ext4 into the kernel.
13:15<Whinis>ya, I can't figure out why its doing that, i compiled using the guide on the forums for RT patch using
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13:15<Whinis>i have ext4 as well as option features selected
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13:16<simonrvn>it does that on mine too, even though ext4 is built-in
13:17<rking>Whinis: But did you compile it as a module or builtin?
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13:17<simonrvn>tries ext2, ext3 then goes to ext4. no errors, just warnings. very odd.
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13:17<jordanm>Mortvert: its not that gentoo is that buggy, its that its a constantly moving target and makes it very easy for users to install the "trunk" version of upstream software
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13:18<jordanm>Mortvert: they don't modify code for the sake of integration like other distros either
13:18<Whinis>I was thinking maybe it was my sata driver however using lsmod on ubuntu kernel to make sure as well as lshw
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13:19<simonrvn>Whinis: rking: ^^^
13:19<Mortvert>means they can install 1.0v os software while it's like 3.9?
13:19<Mortvert>of not os
13:20<Whinis>rking: my config shows it as yes not module so I assume that it is builtin
13:20<simonrvn>that's built-in yes
13:20<jhutchins_lt>Whinis: Did you rebuild your initramfs?
13:20<simonrvn>i also have ext2 and ext3 built-in ;)
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13:21<Whinis>When I use initrd it drops to busy box complaining about /dev/disk/uuid/*random number* instead
13:22<simonrvn>it's an uuid, not random at all
13:22<Whinis>I understand this however its too long to remember
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13:23<simonrvn>it's quite ok ;)
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13:24<Whinis>the odd thing is that when i do not use initrd and after the ext3-fs error the ubuntu 10.04 splash screen complains device for / was not ready. I chose manual mount and all of my info seems to be mounted except in read only mode, however i am not sure if its just a temp menu
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13:25<jordanm>Whinis: I missed the beginning... why is not a debian splash screen?
13:26<rking>jordanm: LOL
13:26<rking>That's why my interest dropped. I thought we were talking about Debian with custom kernel. I assumed.
13:27<jordanm>Whinis: perhaps you are looking for #ubuntu on
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13:27<jordanm>rking: yes, and you along with others
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13:27<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
13:27<Whinis>it is a debian custom kernel
13:27<simonrvn>btw, it's not an error
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13:28<simonrvn>if you guys looked at my pastebin, you'd see it
13:28<Whinis>i use the debian based kernel with an rt patch i just use the ubuntu software to make it faster
13:28<aliceinwire>it's a horror
13:28<Whinis>well easier to use
13:28<Whinis>i have slowly replaced most of the ubuntu
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13:28<simonrvn>oh so it's a frankenstein
13:28<Whinis>yes very much so
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13:28<jordanm>I am not sure there is any way you can get away with calling that "debian"
13:29<simonrvn>no one can really help you there. the interactions are going to be crazy.
13:29<Whinis>its a debian kernel
13:29<matjas>hello, anyone here observed different c++ program execution results while running the program in valgrind and in default console environment (debian), the programs' result is deterministic since the algorithm is
13:29<jordanm>applying debian patches to a kernel does not make the OS debian
13:29<helpme>i love debian...deb and ian ?are they husband wife?
13:29<Whinis>no its vanila debian kernel
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13:30<Whinis>with the debian rt patch so the kernel is completly debian
13:30<simonrvn>it can't possibly be a "vanilla debian kernel" if it's custom
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13:30<Whinis>the custom is shrinking it however i have yet to even get it to boot as regular
13:30<jordanm>Whinis: the way debian ship things is that the debian patches are seperate from the upstream tarball. this means that the orig tarball contains upstrem sources, in which debian patches will be applied
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13:31<simonrvn>the os is not linux, it's debian gnu/linux on a real vanilla debian system. the linux kernel is just that, a kernel.
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13:32<Whinis>ok so where would i go to get kernel help
13:32<jordanm>yes, debian does not need to be linux at all these days
13:32<jordanm>##linux on perhaps
13:32<simonrvn>it's like taking a vanilla freebsd kernel, putting it on a debian kfreebsd system and calling it freebsd. it's not really.
13:33<Whinis>alright well thank you
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13:34<Mortvert>something is horribly wrong with my mouse
13:34<Mortvert>cursor started clicking everything and move on its own
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13:35<simonrvn>typically that's because of the wrong protocol being used
13:36<Mortvert>that happend second time somehow
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13:51<DasUberJohan>so i tried to install a .deb package and it swears up and down that i don't have libatk1.0-0 installed yet this command says otherwise. Anyone know a quick way to fix that?
13:52<jordanm>DasUberJohan: pastebin your full command along with output
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13:53<DasUberJohan>jordanm:i believe that was my full command save my username. What other command are you speaking of?
13:54<bartm>DasUberJohan: pastebin your full command installing that .deb package along with output swearing that you don't have libatk... installed
13:54<DasUberJohan>jordanm:this is the gedbi output if that's what you wanted.
13:55<jordanm>DasUberJohan: use dpkg
13:55<bartm>DasUberJohan: there is a difference between "not installed" and "not satisfiable"
13:55<jordanm>DasUberJohan: anyways, that error indicates you may not have the correct version
13:57<DasUberJohan>jordanm:dpkg-deb and dpkg both yield nothing save it saying i didn't give it any commands
13:57<bartm>DasUberJohan: use dpkg and pastebin the entire output please
13:58<Mortvert>what does dpkg does?
13:58<Mortvert>it's packet manager?
13:59<Mortvert>ah nvm
13:59<bartm>DasUberJohan: try this: dpkg -i handbrake-gtk_0.9.4+svn20100613-0.0_amd64.deb
14:00<jakob>dpkg -i
14:00<dpkg>jakob: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
14:00<bartm>dpkg: jakob wasn't talking to you :)
14:00<dpkg>bartm: I give up, what is it?
14:00<Mortvert>jakob - nvm, found it
14:00<jakob>dasuberjohan: dpkg -i
14:01<Mortvert>it may be a blunder but i dunno why debian gives out vibe smiliar to windows one
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14:01<Mortvert>+it's way more user friendly, and has better community :D
14:01<bartm>DasUberJohan: now you have more information about why there's a problem with libatk1.0-0
14:01<Mortvert>please, don't kill me. :3
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14:02<bartm>Mortvert: your nick appears already dead :)
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14:02<pholo>anyone getting avahi errors when running vinagre?
14:02<Mortvert>bartm - i know ;)
14:02<Mortvert>green death/dead green etc.
14:02<bartm>pholo: pastebin the errors
14:03<Mortvert>people keep telling me that
14:03<Mortvert>especially french people
14:03<jordanm>DasUberJohan: looks like the .deb was not intended for your OS. didn't I recommend compiling this software to /usr/local yesterday?
14:03<DasUberJohan>yeah but it yielded similar results
14:03<DasUberJohan>so i went with the 0.9.3 deb from the multimedia debian mirror
14:04<DasUberJohan>but it doesn't include the one click batch converting so i was attempting to get 0.9.4 which i believe does. And this was from the debian multimedia people as it was previously.
14:04<pholo>Failed to connect to the Avahi server: Daemon ot running
14:04<Mithos><DasUberJohan> you appear to be missing a load of dependancies
14:05<DasUberJohan>yeah i saw and now i'm wondering about what in the world the update manager just did after reviewing the info
14:06<DasUberJohan>it apparently decided that handbrake-gtk was broken guess i should've read over it XD oh well it's still converting to mp4 since the 360 will never support ogm
14:06<rking>Is it just me or did the dpkg bot become more rude sometime in the last couple of years? For example, when you privmsg it about something it doesn't understand, it's kind of an ass about it.
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14:06<bartm>rking: self-learning, adapts to where it's being used :p
14:06<pholo>know how to start the avahi daemon manually?
14:06<jordanm>pholo: invoke-rc.d avahi-daemon start
14:06<rking>bartm: That explains it. =)
14:07<pholo>jordanm> thanks
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14:18<danielsh>is there an rss/mailinglist that announces packages that would appear in aptitude's "New Packages"?
14:19<danielsh>i.e., new packages, as opposed to new versions of packages
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14:20<bartm>danielsh: "new packages" as "packages not yet installed on your system"? how can such information be on a mailinglist?
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14:20<danielsh>as in, when a new software is now packaged for debian
14:20<danielsh>whereas before it wasn't
14:21<Mortvert>anyone wants invite to google wave?
14:21<bartm>Mortvert: isn't that off-topic here?
14:22<Mortvert>shush, #debian-offtopic is dead
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14:23<bartm>danielsh: I see. Well, I don't think that this info is on any of the lists.
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14:24<danielsh>bartm: *nod* I checked that page... closest is -changes I think
14:24<danielsh>didn't find an RSS feed on packages.d.o either
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14:29<danielsh>I guess I'll mail the packages.d.o admins and ask about it
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14:29<danielsh>would anyone else find such a list/rss useful?
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14:30<bartm>no idea
14:30<larratia>Hola Soy un nuevo usuario de debian (canaima)
14:31<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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14:33<larratia>mi pregunta es si con virtualbox se pueden trabajar dos usuarios en el mismo equipo
14:33<bartm>larratia: only english here please
14:34<Tymur>I am currently running a testing build and I am unable to install certain things because of seemingly incomplete packages or something.. libcompress-zlib-perl: Depends: perl (>= 5.6.0-16) but it is not going to be installed
14:34<Tymur>how can I correct this?
14:34<larratia>#debian-es /larratia #debian-es
14:34<bartm>larratia: type this : /join #debian-es
14:35<jhutchins_lt>Tymur: Don't run testing - that's a known feature.
14:35<Tymur>it's too late for that
14:36<jhutchins_lt>Tymur: Then wait for the packages to be updated.
14:36<retrospectacus>that's quite an old perl... you should have newer than that installed.. what's apt-cache policy perl say
14:37<Tymur>Installed: 5.10.1-13
14:37<Tymur> Candidate: 5.10.1-13
14:37<danielsh>bartm: thanks for now
14:39<retrospectacus>Tymur: I have squeeze and no trouble installing libcompress-zlib-perl - what were you originallly installing
14:39<Tymur>citadel suite
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14:40<retrospectacus>maybe you have pinned something? try aptitude install citadel-suite perl
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14:47<Tymur>thanks aptitude resolved some conflicts
14:47<Tymur>retrospectacus: how can i check what's been pinned by apt-get?
14:47<Tymur>this isn't the first time i've had issues with this
14:48<bartm>Tymur: do you have a file named /etc/apt/preferences ?
14:48<Tymur>testing 900 stable 600 unstable 300
14:48<bartm>Tymur: well, that file is typically used for pinning
14:48<retrospectacus>Tymur: I'm not sure
14:48<retrospectacus>I've never used pinning, but I think it causes that kind of thing
14:49<Tymur>ahh kk
14:49<Tymur>i had originally installed stuff from testing when using a stable install
14:49<Tymur>but since migrated to testing
14:49<retrospectacus>that will also do it :P
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14:49<Tymur>well thanks for all the help guys
14:50<bartm>gals ? where ? :)
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14:50<retrospectacus>there is #debian-women for them. none here :P
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14:52<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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14:53<ramiror>dpkg,we met again -.- ; so, I just installed Debian Lenny 5.05, is it normal that I can't use apt-get at all? nor browse
14:53<dpkg>I think you lost me on that one, ramiror
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14:53<Mortvert>ramiror - you know that dpkg is a bot?
14:54<Mortvert>dpkg - are you a bot?
14:54<dpkg>Mortvert: I think you lost me on that one
14:54<bartm>ramiror: what do you mean by "I can't use apt-get at all" ?
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14:54<ramiror>so, can anyone help me? this has happened everytime I installed debian, and, brb, gonna upload an screenshot showing an error during installation
14:54<ramiror>yes. 5.05
14:55<Mortvert>wait, isn't there 5.10 out?
14:55<ramiror>well, i dwnloaded this one yesterday xD
14:55<dpkg>Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.5 was released on June 26th, 2010. This update corrects security problems within the <stable> release, along with adjustments for serious problems. Support for Atheros AR8131/AR8132, Broadcom BCM5716/BCM5716S and ServerEngines BladeEngine2/3 Ethernet controllers was introduced. . To upgrade, ask me about <point release>.
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14:55<Mortvert>oy wtf
14:55<Mortvert>i have 5.04 O_o
14:55<Mortvert>on cd
14:56<Mortvert>and i got it 4 days ago!
14:56<retrospectacus>just upgrade
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14:56<Mortvert>well, it did that itself
14:56<Mortvert>^dunno if that sentence is correct in any way
14:57<bartm>ramiror: still there ? have you read my question?
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14:58<Mortvert>hey mmoya
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14:58<ramiror>bartm, sorry, I mean, that I can't install anything through apt-get, and repositories in the sources.list file are commented out
14:59<ramiror>by default, and had an error during installation.
15:00<ramiror>so, what could it be?
15:01<bartm>ramiror: it seems that you had no internet access during the installation procedure (and that might explain why you can't browse
15:01<ramiror>it can't be it, it could connect to the time server.. and, this has happened the five times I gave debian a try
15:01<ramiror>the last time, I was using 5.03
15:02<bartm>ramiror: do you have internet access now (on that debian machine of course)
15:02<ramiror>I am on that debian machine
15:02<ramiror>I'm on iceweasel, with some IRC webclient
15:03<bartm>ramiror: well, uncomment the lines about security in /etc/apt/sources.list and then run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
15:03<ramiror>I did, and I get this:
15:04*bartm is holding his breath... turning blue already...
15:05<ramiror>keeps still at "50% [Connecting to (] [Connecting to (]"
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15:05<Mortvert>change mirror
15:05<Mortvert>you use gnome, right?
15:05<Mortvert>then do
15:06<Mortvert>system->administration->software sources
15:06<Mortvert>and change download from:
15:06<Mortvert>select other and click select best mirror
15:07<Mortvert>it should ping alot of servers
15:07<Mortvert>and i had same issue today, that's how i fixed it :3
15:08<Mortvert>some mirrors went down apperantly
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15:08<ramiror>okay, i'll do that..
15:08<Mortvert>any ideas how to install i386 packet on amd64?
15:08<bartm>Mortvert: yes in a chroot
15:08<Mortvert>chroot? O_o
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15:10<bartm>Mortvert: good reading
15:10<ramiror>there is no "software sources" on system>administration :/
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15:11<jordanm>ramiror: edit the file /etc/apt/sources.list; see man sources.list
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15:11<ramiror>ok, where can i get the mirrors?
15:12<Mortvert>ramiror - then what do you have>
15:12<Mortvert>since i have that, it's last position on the list
15:12<jordanm>!tell ramiror about sources.list
15:12<jordanm>!tell ramiror about mirros
15:12<Mortvert>it's something with debian logo on it
15:12<ramiror>mortvert: I have : Login; Network ; Services : Shared Folders ; Time and Date; Users and Groups
15:13<Mortvert>it should be below users and groups O_o
15:13<jordanm>Mortvert: a graphical package manager is not part of the standard desktop IIRC
15:13<Mortvert>jordanm - how come i have that? O_o
15:13<bartm>jordanm: it is on lenny, I think
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15:14<Mortvert>bartm - i can't understand a thing from that link
15:14<jordanm>bartm: Mortvert: tasksel --task-packages desktop | grep synatpic returns null
15:14<ramiror>bash: software-properties-gtk: command not found
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15:14<retrospectacus>ramiror: you can use apt-spy
15:14<bartm>jordanm: synatpic ? :p
15:14<ramiror>bash: apt-spy: command not found
15:15<retrospectacus>!tell ramirror about apt-spy
15:15<jordanm>bartm: returns null even with the spelling mistake corrected
15:15<jordanm>!tell ramiror about installit
15:15<bartm>ramiror: pastebin your entire /etc/apt/sources.list so that we can have a look at what might be wrong
15:16*jordanm always recommends asking for apt-cache policy output instead of sources.list
15:16<ramiror>bartm I already changed it :P
15:16<Mortvert>this is what i meant\
15:16<jordanm>Mortvert: which doesn't appear to be part of the desktop task
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15:17<Mortvert>jordanm - how come i have that on almost-freshly installed lenny?
15:17<Mortvert>i had that since install
15:17*bartm agrees with mortvert on this
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15:18<jordanm>Mortvert: aptitude why synaptic
15:18<bartm>gnome Depends synaptic (>= 0.62)
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15:18<Mortvert>but in polish
15:18<Mortvert>i gnome Wymaga synaptic (>= 0.62)
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15:19<Mortvert>any ideas?
15:19<bartm>ramiror: pastebin your entire /etc/apt/sources.list so that we can have a look at what might be wrong
15:20<ramiror>I already changed it all, the wrong way :/
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15:20<bartm>ramiror: so, it's a mess ?
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15:21<jordanm>actually, looking at the task packages, I don'
15:21<jordanm>err don't even see what is pulling in gnome
15:21<bartm>jordanm: must be something desktopish :)
15:21<jordanm>ramiror: deb lenny main
15:22<jordanm>assuming that is a valid mirror
15:23<ramiror>should I be able to browse that with iceweasel?
15:23<bartm>ramiror: yes
15:23<ramiror>well, I can't :/, it's blank, "loading" forever
15:23<jordanm>pick another mirror
15:23<Mortvert>wany my mirror?
15:23<Mortvert>it's polish one but should work
15:24<jordanm>ramiror: why not use the one that dpkg suggested to you 15min ago?
15:24<Mortvert>hope i'm giving right one tho ^_^"
15:25<retrospectacus>deb lenny main # it's Canadian eh
15:25<bartm>Mortvert: are you sure you wanted to write "ftp://" ? maybe better "http://"
15:25<Mortvert>bartm: p. sure
15:25<Mortvert>since it's even set up in my software sources o_o
15:26<ramiror>the canadian one is working!
15:26*Mortvert still wonders where he got that app from
15:26<jordanm>Mortvert: he is recommending you don't use ftp
15:26<dpkg>FTP MUST DIE! . If you really just want to provide anonymous download of files, use HTTP:
15:26<Mortvert>well, i don't care as long as it works
15:26<bartm>ramiror: are you in canada ? is the canadian mirror the right one for you ?
15:27<Mortvert>since is down
15:27*jordanm can't count the times he has heard that from an end-user
15:27<ramiror>I'm in argentine, but it is working, and it's a relief,
15:27<retrospectacus>most people don't know this, but the Internet goes to Canada too
15:27<ramiror>now I wonder why I didn't get the default ones working.. :/
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15:28<bartm>ramiror: pastebin your newest /etc/apt/sources.list so that we can see what else might be wrong
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15:28<bartm>oh my, another ramiro*
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15:29<ramiro_>I'd rather say something's wrong with my connection, why can't I even browse :/
15:30<retrospectacus>is there an echo in here?
15:30<Mortvert> redirects me to
15:30<ramiro_>why doesn't the same happen to me? :/
15:30<Mortvert>retrospectacus, you said echo thing about once
15:31<bartm>ramiro_: uncomment line 9, comment line 4, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
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15:32<bartm>ramiro_: errr, replace deb-src by deb on line 9
15:32<ramiro_>why apt-get upgrade?
15:32<bartm>ramiro_: to pull in the security updates
15:33<bartm>ramiro_: you have no idea who's having fun on your hard drive right now :p
15:33<ramiro_>bartm; yet again, I cannot access 62% [Connecting to (]
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15:33<ramiro_>you're kidding right? -.-
15:34<ramiro_>great, lol
15:34<jordanm>I am not seeing that IP in the round-robin DNS
15:34<Mortvert>well, bartm is rarely joking around
15:34<bartm>jordanm: you're right, that ip address is funny isn't it
15:35<ramiro_>should I use google's DNS servers?
15:35<bartm>ramiro_: normally your ISP's dns servers
15:35<bartm>ramiro_: pastebin your /etc/resolv.conf please
15:36<retrospectacus>souns like the great firewall of Argentina is up to its old tricks... sending bogus security updates to Debian users
15:36<jordanm>there is a specific #debian-ar channel
15:36<bartm>if from argentina and using canadian mirror and accessing security, then ... :p
15:37<ramiro_>jordanm, sounds like you are throwing me out:P, yes, I know that channel, but there are more people here..
15:37<Mortvert>retrospectacus, didn't you mistake the argentina firewall with GREAT firewall of China?
15:37<bartm>ramiro_: are those the ip addresses your dhcp request got from your isp ?
15:37<retrospectacus>Mortvert: just a joke
15:37<Mortvert>yeah, i know ;3
15:38<ramiro_>bartm.. not sure, how can I tell?
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15:40<bartm>ramiro_: cat /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient.*
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15:41<bartm>ramiro_: anyway you're using the internet (chatting) so the dns should be working, just funny that the ip address of is something unexpected
15:42<ramiro_>could I just use the IP on the sources file?
15:43<retrospectacus>perhaps his ISP has implemented a mirroring system. I have that at my work.
15:43<bartm>ramiro_: maybe yes, try
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15:44<Mortvert>how do i check my graphics card from terminal?
15:46<bartm>Mortvert: lspci ?
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15:47<Mortvert>i need to compile tar.bz2 archives in order to install em?
15:48<retrospectacus>you should install em with aptitude if available
15:48<Mortvert>it's not in any repo
15:48<bartm>what is "em"?
15:48<retrospectacus>try to find a .deb package. otherwise yes.
15:48<Mortvert>also it's just tar.bz2
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15:49<ramiro_>WOW; dpkg is incredibly FAST in here, comparing to ubuntu/lm o.o
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16:15<ebrahim>How may I force dpkg-buildpackage (or any other build tool) to include .orig.tar.gz in upload and mention it in .dsc?
16:15<ebrahim>and in .changes?
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16:17<ebrahim>resolved: -sa
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16:35<fenix>ola pessoal
16:35<ebrahim>ola fenix
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16:36<fenix>tudo bem ebrahin
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16:36*ebrahim doesn't know fenix's language :)
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16:37<Mortvert>Anyone succedeed in installing nokia pc suite?
16:37<ebrahim>fenix, what is your language?
16:37<fenix>1 vez que entro no xchat
16:37<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
16:37<Mortvert>i guess
16:38<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
16:38<fenix>eu so quero uma ajuda
16:39<fenix>yo quiero una ajuda
16:39<Mortvert>do /part
16:39<Mortvert>or /exit
16:39<troubled>yo quiero un taco bell? :)
16:39<Mortvert>troubled - help this troubled guy
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16:41<Mortvert>no nokia pc suite for linux pisses me off
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16:42<fenix>I wonder how to create a database related to clock point in php and mysql
16:42<ebrahim>fenix, what is clock point?
16:43<ebrahim>fenix, you mean timestamp?
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16:43<ebrahim>fenix, are you using Google Translate or something?
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16:44<ebrahim>what language is _this_ one?!
16:44<troubled>novell aparently ;)
16:44<zerobuster>german, i am from austria
16:44<troubled>oh, you mean fenix? sorry ;)
16:44<ebrahim>fenix, yes to which question? first or second?
16:45<kurumin>do you have a dog?
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16:45<fenix>I would like to create a watch-point mark for entry and exit of employees of a company is in php and mysql if you know what I mean
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16:46<troubled>wonder what he means by a watch point
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16:47<fenix>alguem poderia me ajuda
16:47<fenix>could someone help me
16:47<Mortvert>speak up
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16:48<retrospectacus>fenix: mysql_query("insert into timetrack (user, timestamp) values ('$uid', NOW())");
16:48<retrospectacus>fenix: there are time-tracking web applications available online
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16:50<Mortvert>god bless xnokii
16:50<fenix>Mostrar romanização
16:50<fenix>I'm after is a system for example the employee joined the company in the system log it and mark its entry and when it turns out to lunch and when he comes back and when to leave the company
16:51<Mortvert>it looks like you're using translator
16:51<Mortvert>there are channels in your language, you know
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16:53<troubled>sounds like he wants an electronic timecard/punch card system
16:53<fenix>what are these channels because it is the first time I enter the xchat so I'm using a google translator
16:53<Mortvert>p. much
16:53<Mortvert>tell us what is your native language
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16:54<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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17:19<qq->fenix, ran here in irc channel, /j #debian-br .
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17:24<Mortvert>my mouse went apesh*t again
17:24<Mortvert>and i dunno why
17:24<e>ciao a tutti
17:25<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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17:28<qq->!calm down | Mortvert
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17:28<Mortvert>not possibl
17:28<Mortvert>since my mouse is randomly moving on my screen, clicking around
17:28<Mortvert>this happend 3rd time today
17:28<Txt_file>is this a wireless mouse?
17:29<Txt_file>that's strange
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17:30<Mortvert>and for no apparent reason it just goes crazy at random time
17:30<Mortvert>and inside everything is fine
17:32<Mortvert>and now it's jumping to screen center
17:32<Mortvert>wtf is going on here?
17:32<qq->Mortvert, what's your hardware temperature?
17:32<Mortvert>hmm, should be within norms
17:33<Mortvert>it's just that i can't check it (or i dunno if debian have a utility for that)
17:33<qq->cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/TZ00/temperature, or so
17:33<Mortvert>and i don't have a termometer for hardware
17:33<pascal_>acpi -t gives the CPU temperature
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17:33<Mortvert>bash: acpi: command not found
17:33<pascal_>watch acpi -t lets you monitor it constantly
17:34<Mortvert>brb, apt-get install acpi
17:34<pascal_>apt-cache search acpi will give you available packages
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17:35<pascal_>I will have a look at my Debian
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17:36<pascal_>acpid & acpi should do
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17:38<Mortvert>acpi -t outputs nothing
17:38<qq->as root?
17:38<qq->and my command ?
17:39<Mortvert>cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/TZ00/temperature ?
17:39<Mortvert>gives folder not found
17:39<pascal_>command does not work with my computer either
17:40<qq->just adapt it to your machine
17:40<Mortvert>it says my cpu is 128
17:40<Mortvert>in xmbmon
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17:49<Mortvert>how i can check my hardware temperature o_
17:49<Mortvert>Temp.= 44.0, 128.0, 38.0; Rot.= 0, 2800, 0
17:49<Mortvert>Vcore = 1.12, 4.08; Volt. = 3.34, 6.85, 11.98, -5.45, -6.14
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17:50<Mortvert>mbmon says things like that, wich i don't understand
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17:51<Txt_file>temp 44.0 sounds realistic
17:52<Mortvert>i think second temperature is processor
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17:53<Txt_file>but 128°C would be very warm
17:53<Mortvert>too warm
17:54<troubled>Mortvert: have you got X windows setup yet?
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17:54<Mortvert>troubled - x windows? as in gnome?
17:54<troubled>sorta, ya
17:54<Mortvert>i have gnome, set it up to use nvidia drivers, dunno if that counts
17:54<troubled>in other words, do you have a working GUI
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17:55<Mortvert>i do
17:55<jhutchins_lt>Mortvert: Make sure you connections are all good. ps/2 jacks are notorious for failing on the motherboard.
17:55<Mortvert>jhutchins_lt, never had problems before with these
17:55<jhutchins_lt>Mortvert: You might check to see which driver X is using for the mouse.
17:56<Mortvert>like how? @_o
17:56<Mortvert>gedit /etc/somepatchtox?
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17:56<jhutchins_lt>xorg.conf, /var/log/Xorg.0.log
17:56<troubled>Mortvert: take a look at a package called "gkrellm" maybe. kinda handy and decent looking
17:56<Mortvert>apt-getting :3
17:57<jhutchins_lt>Mortvert: gkrellm is a display for the sensors.
17:57<troubled>not sure if they are all displayed by default. you might need to go through all the options once to get it just right
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17:58<Mortvert>on cpu it says 141 procs
17:58<troubled>how many processes
17:58<Mortvert>and 3 users
17:58<Mortvert>141 procs, 3 users
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17:58<troubled>right click the program and turn stuff on/off to your liking
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18:01<Mortvert>what does 140 procs and 3 users at cpu means?
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18:02<troubled>in simple terms, 140 programs running and 3 logins (logins include you initial login to gnome, and 1 for each terminal window open basically)
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18:03<Mortvert>but i don't see options to show temperature around thre
18:04<troubled>its in there somewhere
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18:04<Mortvert>hda is 127c (!)
18:04<Mortvert>sda is 35
18:05<Mortvert>temp1 is 27, temp3 is 27
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18:05<Mortvert>why my second disk is hot enough to boil water on it? O_
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18:06<troubled>they may not always be accurate. sometimes the sensors incorrectly pull values from wrong spots.
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18:07<troubled>anyways, play around with it. handy app
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18:14<Mortvert>troubled - thanks
18:18<Mortvert>now i have go to sleep
18:18<Mortvert>good night, good people :3
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18:27<Mortvert>now i really broke something
18:28<Mortvert>i don't have shutdown option in system menu ._.
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18:49<pwndsauce1>hmm... it would be cool to compile a list of all registered last names in your phone book
18:50<pwndsauce1>a - z
18:50<pwndsauce1>i couldn't imagine sitting there and typing in each name from the book LOL
18:50<pwndsauce1>(someone might have....)
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20:20<Lanz>Has KDE 4.4.4 in testing been fixed?
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21:58<kenneth>what is the best graphical irc client to use with the desktop environment setting?
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22:05<craigevil>depends on the de, xchat, konversation, ksirc, quassle, lostirc, but irssi is the best :)
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22:21<kenneth>i had a bad starting ux with lostirc.
22:21<kenneth>i want full toolkit integration and all thinkable features.
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22:22<kenneth>with stuff to click on
22:23<craigevil>xahct if you aren't running kde, if you are using kde then konversation
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22:24<kenneth>okay fine i'm currently using xchat.
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22:24<kenneth>and it works good.
22:25<kenneth>you should make this one the default gnome irc application.
22:26<kenneth>the package manager didnt give any advice which one this might be.
22:27<kenneth>cool. thanks. good day fine sirs! ladies.
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22:40<anthony>how can i adjust my brightness on ubuntu 5.10 on a imac g3?
22:40<anthony>fuck this chat
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22:46<Silicium01>Any tips on setting up flashplugin nonfree in Debian lenny?
22:46<Silicium01>the package does not seem to exist ny more
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22:48<craigevil>!tell Silicium01 about Adobe Flash
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22:49<Silicium01>dpkg, flash
22:49<dpkg>Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations, ask about <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation.
22:49<Silicium01>dpkg, flash non-free
22:49<dpkg>wish i knew, Silicium01
22:49<Silicium01>dpkg, non-free
22:49<dpkg>hmm... non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see
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22:53<Silicium01>well, the problem is there is no flashplugin-nonfree in contrib
22:53<Silicium01>apt wont find it
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22:54<craigevil>its is NOT in the stable repos, look at the wiki link
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22:54<Silicium01>craigevil, I alredy have the plugin ISO, maybe you know how I can tell firefox to use it?
22:54<Silicium01>that's all i need
22:55<Silicium01> I meant to say
22:55<craigevil>thast not the way to do it install flashplugin-nonfree from backports or flashplayer-mozilla from dmm
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22:57<Silicium01>craigevil, I tried, multimedia repo wont find flashplayer-mozilla either
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22:58<craigevil>dmm needs non-free , deb lenny main non-free
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22:59<Silicium01>craigevil, that found it, thanks for the tip
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23:09<Silicium01>installed flashplayer-mozilla from dmm but iceweasel still using the default plugin
23:09<Silicium01>What do I need to do to make iceweasel use nonfree flash?
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23:15<craigevil>disable in iceweasel>plugins or you can do as root update-alternatives --config
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23:19<Silicium01>craigevil, thank you
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