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#debian IRC Logs for 2010-07-03

---Logopened Sat Jul 03 00:00:13 2010
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00:29<NiteSnow>how would I access my ecryptfs partition ? i have the passphrase
00:32<Iraqi>i want link for realplayer11gold.deb is i downloaded from web site real and when i install it is show mw error in this link can see error :
00:33<Iraqi>show me*
00:34<NiteSnow>Iraqi, apt-get install libfontconfig1 libatk1.0-0 libasound2
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00:35<NiteSnow>if that doesn't get it working then you need to do an os update
00:36<Iraqi>again not work
00:36<Iraqi>i did update but not work
00:39<NiteSnow>pastebin the output of cat /etc/*release
00:39<Iraqi>wait please
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00:42<NiteSnow>Iraqi, you need to update to the latest version of ubuntu
00:43<Iraqi>nite is not ubuntu
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00:43<NiteSnow>you're using 8.10 and 10.4 is out
00:43<Iraqi>is back|track 4 final
00:43<franki^>Well, it definitely isn't Debian.... :|
00:43<NiteSnow>that output said it was ubuntu so i went with that
00:44<Iraqi>no i want help in .deb is debian
00:44<NiteSnow>franki^, yeah heh
00:44<NiteSnow>the deb doesn't make it debian
00:44<NiteSnow>try back tracks irc support
00:44<Iraqi>.deb << debian and all said must i ask channel debian
00:45<NiteSnow>Well we didn't make the .deb
00:45<Iraqi>i tried this three days and still i didn't got any result
00:45<NiteSnow>you do not have the dependences to install real player
00:45<franki^>.deb is just a file format, it doesn't make it Debian. But the problem is that you need newer libraries, we can't really help you with that. You can use a more modern release, or you can install all of the libraries manually
00:45<Iraqi>@translate en ar the dependences
00:46<franki^>Dependencies are the libraries that you need to run the program.
00:46<Iraqi>can give me name for " installer manager for .deb" please i will download this
00:47<franki^>Erm, you have that installed already, it's called dpkg. :P
00:47<Iraqi>like file manager or some app read .deb
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00:47<NiteSnow>that's what dpkg and apt-get does
00:47<Iraqi>this is bad i want result
00:47<franki^>(And my personal favourite, aptitude)
00:47<Iraqi>still i can't play video
00:47<NiteSnow>use an updated os
00:47<NiteSnow>franki^, same here
00:48<NiteSnow>Iraqi, use vlc
00:48<Iraqi>i did nite many time for update
00:48<franki^>Iraqi: By updated he means a newer release
00:48<Iraqi>vlc not support HD 1080 .mp4
00:48<franki^>Like, Ubuntu 10.04 for example
00:48<NiteSnow>yes it does
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00:49<Iraqi>update you are mean is " apt-get update " << this many time i used
00:49<NiteSnow>use a newer os Like ubuntu 10.04
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00:50<Iraqi>i downloaded eminem not afriad is 1080 .mp4 is not work on any multimedia in system
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00:50<NiteSnow>the music video?
00:51<NiteSnow>Iraqi, it's most likely corrupt
00:51<Iraqi>but i'm new and i started with this bt4 and i hard this days work on it and in last i change other os i will lost manyt thing and
00:51<franki^>For the record "apt-get update" only updates the package list that your system uses to find new packages.
00:51<Iraqi>any way thanks your help
00:51<franki^>It doesn't actually install anything
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00:52<Iraqi>‎is there any app for player 1018 HD mp4?
00:52<franki^>There are many, I use mplayer
00:52<Iraqi>wait i check this name
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00:53<Iraqi>i found alot of in apt-cache search which one i use for apt-get install please?
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00:54<craigevil>the newest vlc will play HD mp4, as will mplayer, but if you are running stable you will need to backport vlc
00:54<franki^>"apt-get install smplayer" will get mplayer and a basic GUI
00:54<Iraqi>how i can make update for my vlc to work on
00:54<Iraqi>ok thanks ...wait
00:54<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list 2) enable (see <bpo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
00:55<NiteSnow>the language barrier is doing my head in
00:55<NiteSnow>craigevil, he's on bt4
00:55<NiteSnow>and he ended up here some how
00:55<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
00:56<Iraqi>is now installing
00:56<craigevil>Iraqi: search the Ubuntu docs for Restricted formats
00:56<Iraqi>i know backtrack not debian but i have problem with .deb this debian
00:57<craigevil>Iraqi: no it still has nothing to do with debian, bt4 is based on ubuntu not debian
00:57<Iraqi>can please add this bot to my channel please
00:57<franki^>Iraqi: .deb is _not_ Debian, it's a file format used by many different projects. :)
00:57<NiteSnow>does anyone that isn't idle know anything about ecryptfs ?
00:57<Iraqi>ubuntu said bt4 not building by ubuntu
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00:58<Iraqi>.deb is _not_ Debian, it's a file format used by many different projects? i search all site said .deb is debain
00:59<Iraqi>please i want add this bot to my channel this show info about <dpkg>
00:59<franki^>Iraqi: It's built _on_ Ubuntu, not by Ubuntu, it is a separate project, with its own IRC channel, and its own documentation. I recommend that if you find them.
00:59<Iraqi>i want get it too please
00:59<craigevil>Iraqi: go to #backtrack-linux on
00:59<Iraqi>ok ok
01:00<Iraqi>but for this bot please can add to my channel is yesterday staff made to me name ##iraqi
01:00<Iraqi>i will be thanks
01:00<franki^>Iraqi: .deb does mean Debian, because the format was created by Debian, but it is used by other projects now. And I'm sorry but I can't help you with the bot.
01:00<Iraqi>!add bot
01:01<Iraqi>thanks... do you know who can help me to this bot?please
01:02<Iraqi>because if i did that will help me without enter here
01:02<Iraqi>if i add*
01:02<franki^>You can message the bot in private if you want. But I'm sorry I don't know anything about adding it to your channel.
01:03<Iraqi>sorry my english is bad
01:03<Iraqi><dpkg> que tal, iraqi
01:03<Iraqi>what is mean?
01:04<Iraqi>bye & thanks :)
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01:14<elias>let's see
01:14<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, beer is liquid gold mate
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02:59<Mortvert>fixed the shutdown option issue yesterday
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04:07<WapiFlapi>Hello :) I am new around here.
04:09<sortadi>is there any debian live CD with desktop environment using the 2.6.32 kernal branch?
04:10<Mortvert>ffffffffffffff- the mouse is going crazy more frequently now
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04:14<craigevil>sortadi: you can try the testing version of or go to and build your own
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04:17<Mortvert>3rd time in half hour my mouse went crazy
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04:18<bartm>Mortvert: could be a hardware problem - do you have the same problems with a different mouse?
04:19<Mortvert>i don't have different mouse
04:19<bartm>bye one :)
04:19<bartm>that is, buy one :)
04:19<Mortvert>also - never had problems with that mouse on windows
04:19<Mortvert>it started happeing on debian
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04:19<Mortvert>(and i have this mouse for like 5 years)
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04:22<troubled>Mortvert: "/etc/init.d/gdm stop" will kill your gnome session and drop you back down to a command line. login and try install "gpm". start, reconfig, test etc, the mouse with gpm until you get the protocol set correctly, then set X windows to use /dev/gpm as your mouse and tell gpm to act in repeater mode
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04:22<troubled>or something along thouse line :)
04:22<Mortvert>complicated things i see there
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04:22<troubled>gpm is faster and easier to debug, and if your mouse is choppy in X, its probably just the wrong mouse driver
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04:23<troubled>well, i think they call it a protocol. that or you got hair in the mouse laser. ill leave you to figure out which ;)
04:23<cthuluh>rodents are harmful
04:25<sortadi>craigevil, they're all the size of a DVD, I need a CD
04:26<troubled>sortadi: why do you need .32 anyways? testing something specific?
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04:27<sortadi>troubled, to have ext4 support
04:28<sortadi>troubled, in order to work with a LVM partition with ext4 LVs
04:28<troubled>looking to bootstrap an install i take it?
04:28<sortadi>no, just looking to resize an existing LV, since I can't do it from within the running OS
04:29<troubled>lvm is nice though since you can just strat with ext3, then play musical volumes and move things to an ext4 after you get an ext4 kernel compiled
04:29<sortadi>since it's mounted
04:29<troubled>ah okay
04:29<sortadi>play musical volumes?
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04:30<automatik>how can i set my flags to the following: -rw-r--r--
04:30<troubled>create a new lv, and move say /usr or /var onto it, rm -rf the old one, mount etc, repeat with all the other major dirs etc, until you are left with just the root fs as ext3
04:30<troubled>automatik: 644
04:30<sortadi>automatik, chmod 644
04:30<troubled>err, chmod 644
04:31<sortadi>troubled, I think you can just move from ext3 to ext4
04:31<sortadi>without any data loss}
04:31<sortadi>without having to do all that
04:32<troubled>probably with tune2fs or something, but im not sure since i havent tried it
04:32<troubled>you could always just debootstrap a small 1G install and boot that though
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04:32<Mortvert>troubled, what does debootstrap does?
04:32<troubled>well, so long as your /boot isnt part of the root fs
04:32<Mortvert>since i can't find it's manpage or even use it
04:32<troubled>Mortvert: apt-cache show debootstrap
04:33<cthuluh> <--- could be useful
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04:46<craigevil>sortadi: i built one using the web page with lxde and it is only 305mb in size
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04:51<aliceinwire>fabrianchi, ?
04:53<fabrianchi>sorry i involved in my keyboard deborah
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04:54<aliceinwire>deborah ?
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05:34<amol>hi all,if a module is compiled for Xserver version 1.5.2 will it work with latest xserver in debian?
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05:56<debiann00b>Hey ... linux/debian beginner in need of some basic help... Downloaded chrome for x64, and package installer won't let me select the .deb to install it ... ?
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05:59<muzy>debiann00b: what is the error message?
06:00<debiann00b>it never actually gives one. It just won't let me select it (the file is disabled/gray) -- if I just double click on the .deb to execute it will say "archive type not supported"
06:01<debiann00b>and sorry it's package manager that opens w/ that error
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06:03<muzy>do you have a terminal somewhere?
06:04<muzy>then get root rights
06:04<muzy>cd to the path where the .deb is in
06:05<muzy>then "dpkg -i your_deb_file_you_want_to_install.deb"
06:05<debiann00b>I can get to terminal, and I know I use sudo - but I haven't a clue what flags to do after that?
06:05<muzy>well then go into a terminal
06:05<debiann00b>you're talking to a very very limited linux guy
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06:06<muzy>then type "sudo dpkg -i /path/to/your/deb_file.deb"
06:06<muzy>sudo will get you more rights
06:06<muzy>dpkg is the tool to install packages with
06:06<dpkg>i haven't a clue, muzy
06:06<debiann00b>I see.
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06:06<muzy>and the parameter "-i" is the install flag
06:06<debiann00b>ok I'll give it a shot. thanks.
06:06<muzy> /path/to/your/deb_file.deb should be replaced with the correct path
06:07<muzy>good luck and let us know whether this worked out
06:08<craigevil>debiann00b: or you can just use the Google repo then all you need to do is aptitude update; aptitude install google-chrome-stable or -unstable if you want the dev version
06:08<debiann00b>Okay... I'm not in the Sudoers file.
06:09<craigevil>su enter, root password enter, dpkg -i packagename
06:10<craigevil>you can also install gdebi then you can either click or right-click the .deb and have it install
06:10<debiann00b>ahh. thanks
06:10<muzy>well I'd recommend every user to get in touch with the commandline
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06:11<muzy>because if something is broken one is mostly forced to fix it in a terminal
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06:11<debiann00b>I agree with muzy ... I am a command line guy when I can be (although I love GUI, and context menus too.) - Now that I know how to do it using the cmd line, I will install gdebi.
06:11<craigevil>muzy: its not really needed that much especially on stable, i have ran sid for 6 yrs and the only thing i really do on cli is apt-get and apt-file
06:11<debiann00b>I'm the type that has to know what's going on in the background :)
06:12<muzy>craigevil: well if something went broken then you have to use the commandline/terminal
06:12<craigevil>yeah i think i have had to use nano once when xorg.conf got messed up
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06:13<muzy>I do most stuff on/in terminal nowadays but I cannot force myself to use a tiling window manager :(
06:14<dodddummy>being an old fart i don't even understand the concept of not getting familiar with the command line
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06:16<kutio>hello, when I try to install grub and udev I have this problem : any idea ?
06:18<craigevil>kutio: as root do touch /etc/udev/kernel-upgrade , basically you need a new udev to go with a new kernel, your on stable trying to install packages from testing?
06:18<debiann00b>Thanks - I did get chrome installed.
06:19<kutio>ok it works but I have still this problem : /var/lib/dpkg/info/grub-pc.postinst: line 23: 26606 Processus arrêté grub-mkdevicemap --no-floppy
06:19<craigevil>heck if you are going to install testing kernel, udev and grub2 from testing might as well just upgrade to testing
06:20<craigevil>you will also need firmware-linux-nonfree to get rid of the firmware message
06:23<debiann00b>Next Question: I'm using amd64 ... adobe doesn't offer flash for deb x64 ... How will I install flash? It states the package I downloaded is i386.
06:23<kutio>craigevil, I install firmware-linux-nonfree but still the same problem, impossible to configure grub2
06:24<craigevil>debiann00b: there is a howto on the wiki, also at and at
06:24<debiann00b>I'll reference them then. Thanks again
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06:26<craigevil>kutio: does it say why? is it missing a depends or is that version just broken, you might check the BTS
06:26<craigevil>ah nvm its an error in the postinst script
06:27<craigevil>try to download it again or try the version in sid, or fix the line in the postinst script
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06:29<debiann00b>craigevil, you're going to get tired of holding my hand I think ... when I try to apt-get install, it reports it can not find the package nspluginwrapper ... do I maybe need to add a repo source somewhere?
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06:30<craigevil>debiann00b: pastebin your sources.list
06:31<debiann00b>pastebin? sources.list?
06:31<craigevil>its in contrib, make sure you have contrib non-free after main on the debian stable/lenny line
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06:32<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <>.
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06:33<craigevil>debiann00b: do cat /etc/apt/sources.list in a terminal and paste it at one of the sites that dpkg just mentioned
06:33<debiann00b>got it.
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06:34<craigevil>pastebinit is a nice package to have installed in case you can't get in X you can still paste to a paste site
06:35<debiann00b>good to know. brb
06:36<debiann00b>looks like I have...nothing :)
06:36<troubled>craigevil: oh, thats cool. didnt even know there was a package. thanks :)
06:37<craigevil>debiann00b: change deb lenny main just add contrib non-free on the end after main
06:38<craigevil>debiann00b: bwt thanks for noticing that had to update the howto at LQ and on the to mention that
06:38<debiann00b>ahhh no problem haha
06:39<muzy> craigevil I'd recommend
06:41<craigevil>muzy: huh?
06:41<muzy>as a pastebin site
06:41<muzy>for commandline usage
06:42<debiann00b>I figured out how to adjust the configuration in the gui through package manager - in the future what program would i want to use to edit files such as source.list ? I guess the equiv to notepad in windows?
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06:43<craigevil>debiann00b: you can use any text editor as root
06:43<debiann00b>what are they called though?
06:43<locklace>debiann00b: vi
06:44<helpme>or use root@host$nautilus
06:44<debiann00b>ok thx
06:44<craigevil>muzy: thats pretty cool
06:44<helpme>get file folder etc as you want to change
06:45<muzy>debiann00b: i would recommend nano for beginners
06:45<debiann00b>I downloaded the script, how do I run it ?
06:45<muzy>so type "nano fileyouwanttoopen"
06:46<dpkg>[pastebinit] a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". In lenny, use "pastebinit -b", because it's broken for most other sites (#572728).
06:46<troubled>how do you clear or recover from a dpkg lock?
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06:49<debiann00b>...I think it's time for bed tonight for me (pacific coast) ... I'll be back tomorrow (no that's not a threat haha.)
06:49<debiann00b>Thanks again for your help.
06:51<troubled>nm, got it
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07:00<kutio>I still have a problem with grub : , any idea ?
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07:08<craigevil>kutio: a similar bug to what you are seeing >
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07:47<umarzuki>hi, where do i change postfix default post on lenny?
07:47<ebrahim>umarzuki, what do you mean by "default post"?
07:47<Zathras_>hi. Tried about everything :-( Upgraded Lenny-Squeeze. After another upgrade of Squeeze itself: /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for / (is /dev mounted?).
07:47<ebrahim>umarzuki, default port you mean?
07:47<umarzuki>sorry, default port
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07:47<ebrahim>umarzuki, in
07:47<ebrahim>umarzuki, in
07:49<ebrahim>umarzuki, the first non-comment line starting with "smtp" defines the port. if you write 2525 instead of "smtp", it will listen on 2525.
07:50<umarzuki>thanks ebrahim
07:51<Zathras_>system boot ok. but installing/upgrading packages is a nightmare now
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07:59<matthewrubin>!ops | ` matthewrubin angasule manphiz Zathras_ umarzuki geenna psych787 murisfurder msantana dr|z3d bartm blue [fFf] dpkg frewo64-nb aliceinwire osram abrotman ebrahim troubled gusnan and1bm S_WO ksirhc johfel silice- Holborn azuwis_ kutio alienux YPWang_ coucouf_ KrimZon ao2 dante_2core Blackleo WapiFlapi OkropNick przemoc quaker66|pizza BjoernC chealer davi SEJeff_work mhash y2quake__ dut
07:59<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: matthewrubin complains about: | ` matthewrubin angasule manphiz Zathras_ umarzuki geenna psych787 murisfurder msantana dr|z3d bartm blue [fFf] dpkg frewo64-nb aliceinwire osram abrotman ...
07:59<matthewrubin>!ops | ` streuner Amorphous marnold iPino davyg Exavion Alam_Squeeze everythingdaniel paratux alvarezp mentor r0ger pavi Unmensch nosbig magellanino ravenbird simonrvn clocker trench hacman_ wr| gapi k\t sebash m42 byonk rmayorga slush craigevil ml| coruja locklace adema AmberJ thierry stroyan sansen Gromitt Zathraz dodddummy arw_ jthomas_sb behanw lionel kenyon Emmanuel_Chanel MoDaX JanC jm
07:59<abrotman>dumbest bot controller ever
08:00<troubled>surprised im still in the ops factoid :)
08:00<pavi>dpkg, :P
08:00<dpkg>i guess p is 1. piano (musical direction) 2. proton
08:00<troubled>abrotman: hola btw
08:00<weasel>dpkg: pp
08:00<dpkg>well, pp is Ewww, gross
08:00<troubled>howdy to you too weasel
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08:14<mjk>Weird software problem: I suddenly have ALSA audio that sounds as if my (2-channel) audio material was surround sound, but with only a few channels playing (in normal volume), the others with very low volume. Onboard sound is okay, problem occurs with PCI sound card, too. Any ideas? Software upgrades between working and non-working state:
08:15<mjk>No ALSA, SDL or OpenAL updates ...k
08:15<mjk>Maybe it's the libc upgrade, but I can't downgrade, because the old version is neither in the repo nor on :-(
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09:02<tom1000000>hello i want to stop gnome / xwindows from loading when i boot up
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09:04<tom1000000>anyone awake????
09:07<troubled>tom1000000: disable gdm
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09:08<troubled>might be worth installing sysv-rc-conf, then scroll down to "gdm" in the list, and hit the space bar on the X's for all the run levels. this way you preserve the start order numbers for later
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09:09<chaos-ir1si> ¦ insserv: warning: script 'K30sfs-server' missing LSB tags and overrides, insserv: warning: script 'K20cfsd' missing LSB tags and ¦ ¦ overrides, insserv: warning: script 'S44ugidd' missing LSB tags and overrides, insserv: warning: script 'sfs-server' missing LSB tags and ¦ ¦ overrides, insserv: warning: script 'ugidd' missing LSB tags and overrides, insserv: warning: script 'cfsd' missing LSB tags and ¦
09:09<chaos-ir1si> ¦ overrides , package network-manager removmed but not purged, package openbsd-inetd removed but not purged ¦
09:09<chaos-ir1si>how do i fix that?
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09:10<tom1000000>the problem is the computer freezes
09:10<tom1000000>so when debian boots i don't get xwindows screen
09:10<chaos>tom1000000: what boot manager do you use?
09:10<tom1000000>its an old sun ultra5
09:10<tom1000000>sun sparc
09:11<tom1000000>lilo yes
09:11<troubled>tom1000000: it may not be freezing, just going blank and messing up the frame buffer or something. but boot to a single user mode like with "init=/bin/bash" on the kernel params
09:11<chaos>i was gonna suggest init=1 @ the boot screen
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09:12<chaos>how about my sysv-rc problem? :P
09:12<tom1000000>does anyone know about sun sparc
09:12<tom1000000>what is the kernel name
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09:14<tom1000000>i will try that at boot prompt
09:14<slush>or linux-image-2.6-sparc32
09:14<tom1000000>you need to provide a path i think
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09:14<tom1000000>openboot firmware for a sparc
09:14<slush>chaos: reinstall or purge the mentioned packages
09:15<slush>tom1000000: oh you meant for the bootprompt
09:16<chaos>slush: and what about those script errors?
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09:17<slush>the scripts are updated along the way when you upgrade/reinstall the packages where they belong to
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09:17<tom1000000>slush: yes
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09:18<chaos>i have no clue where they belong ... ugidd? cfsd? sfs-server?
09:18<slush>chaos: dpkg -S ugidd
09:19<slush>tom1000000: you can find the installed kernels in /boot
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09:20<slush>tom1000000: you don't need the kernel name if you want to add kernel parameters afaik
09:20<tom1000000>the linux boot prompt on sparc seems to require it
09:20<chaos>slush: thanks!!!
09:21<tom1000000>if i just type init=/bin/bash it says invalid kernel file
09:21<slush>hmm, k.. maybe it is required by lilo, it's been a while I worked with it
09:21<slush>chaos: np
09:22<chaos>last time (years ago) i used lilo if there was a working config you could just add init 1 as extra param
09:22<chaos>i would assume init <whichever console only is> would work just as well
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09:24<slush>tom1000000: can't you use ctrl+alt+f1 to get the console? or ctrl+alt+backspace to kill your xwindows?
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09:40<tom1000000>i tried ctrl+alt+f1 and backspace, no luck
09:40<tom1000000>i found this page
09:41<tom1000000>this seems to explain sun device paths
09:41<tom1000000>thanks for your help
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10:11<allan`>good evening debian
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10:12<allan`>hi mjk
10:12<mjk>Where can I get libc6 2.11.1-3 for amd64?
10:12<mjk>It's not in the repo and not on :-(
10:13<allan`>mjk :
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10:14<abrotman>and wrong
10:15<gsimmons>mjk: ITYM
10:15<mjk>allan`: Too new, that's the same I have on my testing box
10:15<abrotman>mjk: what's wrong with the current libc you have ?
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10:15<mjk>After a few software upgrade (no alsa-base, libasound or libsdl involved), my sound cards suddenly are operated in surround sound mode only, so that my headphones ("Front" channel/jack) get only part of the sound. The only major thing that changed was libc6, so I wanted to downgrade it for testing purposes.
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10:16<abrotman>mjk: did you look in /var/log/dpkg.log ?
10:16<mjk>abrotman: I looked in /var/log/aptitude
10:17*abrotman thinks dpkg.log is easier to read
10:18<mjk>abrotman: Okay, will have a look into that, too, thanks
10:18<abrotman>you can use some grep magic to make it more readable alsso
10:18<mjk>WTF ... seems to be something completely different ... thanks, gsimmons!
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10:34<chaos>what's this paravirtualized guest support stuff?
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10:50<Mortvert>Hi :3
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11:09<Mortvert>(。◕‿‿◕。) yes?
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11:11<Mortvert>(。¬‿‿¬。) nothing
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11:11<@Ganneff>Mortvert: stop that in here
11:12<Mortvert>It's just both, #debian and #debian-offtopic are dead atm
11:12<@Ganneff>doesnt matter
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11:13<dr|z3d>"Do not speak unless you can improve upon the silence!"
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11:22<troubled>curious, when you write files to a removable medium like a floppy for example, it writes the files toa buffer or something right? Then in the background, it slowly writes the data out until you either umount it or call sync, correct?
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11:24<troubled>thats what I thought. I'm thinking theres a bug with DVD-RAM then. Im just writting a copy of the linux git archive to a freshly formatted udffs, and its already on hour 3
11:25<troubled>when I umount, it blocks for only like 10 seconds, then continues to sync in the background. seems like thats wrong somehow. anyone else with DVD-RAM experience?
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11:28<troubled>oh well, gonna try track down the maintainer for that on the lkml, but if any of you have a DVD-RAM compatible drive and don't mind blowing a few bucks to test, I'll be your BFF ;)
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12:26<heffay>can someone help me figure out why my audio setting do not persist after reboot?
12:27<bartm>heffay: how do you adjust your audio setting?
12:27<heffay>i use the gnome mixer
12:28<bartm>should persist...
12:28<heffay>what i mean is, the hardware is not being detected properly and when i log in the device settings are wrong
12:28<heffay>and i have to run alsaconf to fix it
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12:29<dr|z3d>heffay: You could try saving your session on logout and see if that helps.
12:30<heffay>I'm more interested in finding what the problem is. i see the device in lsmod and in /etc/modprobe.d/sound
12:31<dr|z3d>Well, if you try what I suggested, that would indicate whether it's a persistence issue relating to your session, if nothing else.
12:32<heffay>to save the session just log out, then in again?
12:32<dr|z3d>Assuming Gnome gives you that option on logout.. otherwise, use the session/login feature.
12:33<heffay>I don't have a save session feature on logout through Gnome.
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12:37<bartm>heffay: there's also "system, preferences, sound" to play with
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12:38<heffay>well, under devices it says autodetect. but it's not detecting the right hardware.
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12:45<Zathras_>hi. Tried about everything :-( Upgraded Lenny-Squeeze. After another upgrade of Squeeze itself: /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for / (is /dev mounted?). I already changed to uuid in /etc/fstab. Any thoughts?
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12:52<slush>It sounds like you have the wrong uuid
12:52<dr|z3d>slush: try blkid and then compare with what's in /etc/fstab
12:53<heffay>hm, my audio device is not showing up in proc/asound/cards
12:53<dr|z3d>heffay: Did you save your session and try that?
12:54<slush>Zathras_: what dr|z3d said
12:54<Zathras_>already did that. it's correct
12:54<heffay>I don't have a save session option when I logout of Gnome, so how do I save the session?
12:54<Zathras_>systeem also boots fine
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12:54<Zathras_>just installing/upgrading packages is a nightmare atm
12:56<Zathras_>loads of wining about grub-pc and memtest86+ 4.0 and really hard to do anything with an other package
12:56<chaos-ir1si>CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED <- can't find it in menuconfig :SS
12:56<heffay>so after running alsaconf, /proc/asound/cards shows my hardware and everything works.
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12:58<bartm>heffay: so the challenge is to make the operation of alsaconf persistent
12:58<heffay>yes, every time i reboot sound does not work and the wrong device appears in /proc/asound/cards
12:59<chaos-ir1si>in which main / sub menu do i find sysfs ? :((
12:59<troubled>chaos-ir1si: try "/search string"?
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13:00<chaos-ir1si>in menuconfig?
13:00<troubled>probably something like "/SYSFS" should do. but not sure if its around anymore or not, i dont follow bleeding new kernels
13:00<troubled>it has a built in search feature when you hit "/"
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13:01<troubled>i think it only searchs through the CONFIG options though, not full text, but I might be wrong
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13:01<chaos-ir1si>troubled: cool :)
13:01<troubled>:) find it?
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13:03<heffay>wow this is driving me nuts. sound works after logout/login, still doesnt work after reboot
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13:06<troubled>heffay: does something like "alsactl store" help?
13:07<troubled>i got a machine with an ESS card that does the same thing (mutes itself actually) until I change the volume once
13:07<heffay>is that a command? i havent tried that
13:07<troubled>man alsactl
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13:07<troubled>might want to run alsamixer first and get the volume working (unmute etc) first though
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13:08<troubled>then try a "store" command and try a restart. might work, might not *shrug* I'm not a sound expert and that system doesn't really use sound so its not a priority for me
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13:13<heffay>"alsactl store" does nothing
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13:15<troubled>heffay: does nothing as in it just returns immediately to the command line? or as in a reboot still doesn't give audio by default?
13:15<heffay>the latter
13:15<troubled>you said its picking a wrong device? have you tried something like alsaconf yet?
13:16<troubled>tbh, the state of audio in linux frustrates me too. you got yer oss's and yer alsa's, and your pulseaudios. a total mess imho. need a PHD these days just to configure the volume heh
13:16<heffay>After running alsaconf everything works fine. The problem is that the configuration does not persist after rebooting.
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13:17<troubled>heffay: curious, after you rbeooted, what happens if you run "alsactl restore"?
13:18<troubled>if that works, you might be able to kludge it into rc.local on startup until one of the sound guru's here wake up and tell you how to do it properly
13:18<heffay>alsactl restore, no change
13:19<troubled>did you go into alsamixer once and tweak the volume up and down once and see if thats what is muting the audio? just wondering if its exactly what my one system does too
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13:20<troubled>looking at the output of "alsaconf -P" here, it spits out a list of modules. maybe worth trying to toss those into /etc/modules?
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13:23<heffay>The audio is not muted. That is not the problem.
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13:24<heffay>ive added snd_intel8x0 to /etc/modules already
13:25<troubled>well, its just the system I got that does it has the same symptoms. originally I actually had the same exact problem where I had to keep running alsaconf. but now I got it to a point where alsamixer doesnt show it as muted at all, but audio doesn't play until I actually turn the master volume up a notch
13:25<troubled>so i'm just trying to see if its the same exact problem I have/had, cause it sure sounds like it
13:25<DebPad>I have a HP pavilion DV6000 with Intel wireless card. Just installed Lenny on it. Can someone advice what I need to do to fix the wireless driver?
13:25<heffay>I don't think so. I don't have a muting problem. My problem is with the hardware being detected it seems.
13:26<heffay>Every time I reboot the only audio hardware I see is my usb mic.
13:26<DebPad>During installation it asked for non-free drivers, and I connected a usb drive loaded with the file that it requested, but nothing happened
13:26<troubled>what happens if you reboot with the usb mic unplugged?
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13:26<silice-> ps
13:26<heffay>Haven't tried that.
13:26<troubled>maybe its just using the usb as the default :)
13:27*troubled crosses his fingers for you
13:27<heffay>obviously. its also showing that as the ONLY audio device after reboot unless i manually run alsaconf
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13:27<troubled>wonder if it just gives up after it finds the usb
13:28<heffay>So when I reboot it detects the usb mic and writes that info to /proc/asound/cards
13:28<heffay>and that is the only entry
13:28<heffay>after i run alsaconf
13:28<heffay>the correct hardware shows up in /proc/asound/cards and everything works
13:28<troubled>got ya
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13:30<Zathras_>DebPad, according to the wificard is a Broadcom BCM94311MCG
13:30<Zathras_>so install the mod for that
13:30<DebPad>Zathras_, no, I'm pretty sure I have intel
13:30<DebPad>Zathras_, how do i install it?
13:31<Zathras_>lspci will tell
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13:31<DebPad>Zathras_, Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection (rev 02)
13:32<DebPad>looks like I also don't have sound :(
13:33<DebPad>Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)
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13:34<DebPad>nvm I do have sound
13:34<DebPad>just wireless not working, any instructions on where to get the drivers and how to install would be great
13:34<dpkg>iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless LAN chipsets since Lenny. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. See (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0>. #ipw2100 on
13:35<DebPad>abrotman, thanks
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13:35<DebPad>dpkg, non-free sources
13:35<dpkg>Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
13:37<abrotman>DebPad: you can also msg the bot
13:38<DebPad>abrotman, after I "apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi" what do I need to do to "use" the drivers/
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13:39<tomg>modprobe iwl4965 or something, apparently :-) you can also put this in /etc/modules (without the modprobe)
13:39<tomg>You should check that wiki page dpkg said
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13:40<DebPad>tomg, ok
13:40<abrotman>DebPad: the quick answer, reboot .. otherwise, modprobe -r iwl4965;modprobe iwl4965
13:40<nico>why is my wireless usb adapter showing up in my system manager but not connecting to the internet in linux ?
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13:44<abrotman>it needs firmware ?
13:45<heffay>in system->preferences->sound its recognizing my hardware (nvidia ck804) but saying its not connected
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13:53<troubled>heffay: any luck before I divert my attention elsewhere?
13:54<troubled>oh well. gl with it
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14:06<DebPad>What was the command to update defaults?
14:07<DebPad>I need to set flash nonfree as default
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14:07<DebPad>It was something like update-defaults --config dont remember exactly
14:07<Gaxnys>DebPad, shouldn't you just edit the sources.list?
14:08<DebPad>Gaxnys, I installed the nonfree flashplayer but need to chnage the default now
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14:08<DebPad>there's a debian command that changes default but i cant remember
14:08<Gaxnys>DebPad, oh, okay
14:09<DebPad>update-alternatives <- that's it
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14:23<opticon>can someone help me with partimage on debian im trying to create and save backup over smb share that i have mounted but it wont work because /dev/sda1 is mounted i tryed to umount it but says device busy
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14:30<nico>i need some help please. i can not get my wireless card to work in my linux mint desktop computer. it sees the card there but will not connect.
14:31<dr|z3d>nico: wrong channel.
14:31<dr|z3d>we support Debian only.
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14:31<nico>it is a debian system
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14:32<nico>i need the networking to function
14:32<dr|z3d>It's not Debian.
14:32<dr|z3d>Linux Mint isn;t.
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14:32<dr|z3d>Then refer yourself to the correct channel.
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14:32<nico>well when i have to run .deb files in it then it is
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14:32<dr|z3d>Debian is a distro; Linux Mint is a distro; Ubuntu is a distro. We ONLY support Debian. Got it?
14:33<nico>what ever last time i checked though intyernet connection was universal
14:33<dr|z3d>I don't make the rules here.
14:33<dr|z3d>I just let people know when they're flouting them.
14:33<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
14:33<nico>so network manager is in all systems so why don't you just see if you can be constructive here and help me get it to work.
14:33<DLange>and I like cross-channel chats, too. How about you, k\t ? :)
14:34<dr|z3d>Subsitute Ubuntu for Linux Mint and the same applies.
14:34<nico>ok dr. so your the jerk that can only see the distro rather then the real problem
14:35<dr|z3d>Are you deaf, stupid, or both? It's CHANNEL policy, not mine.
14:36<nico>i wouldn't care what system distro i am using if the wireless isn't working then the distro is pointless. i just put out what i am using so no on has to question me lter about it
14:36<Zathras_>nico, real problem is that you want someone to work for free for you, you do not have a specific question and you do not show you have made any effort yourself.....
14:36<dr|z3d>Go piss and moan elsewhere, ideally in the linux mint irc channel. Kthx.
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14:37<nico>actually i have helped people alot of times and i have spent the last 4 days trying to get this thing working and an stumped. i have it reading that the card is there but can not get it to connect. tried ndiswrapper, etc. and still no luck
14:38<Zathras_>nico, lack of knowledge, wanting to make an effort etc. is usually someone's own issue not something related to the rest of the world
14:38<dr|z3d>!ops nico needs a helping hand (or boot)
14:38<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: dr|z3d complains about: nico needs a helping hand (or boot)
14:38<nico>i don't run 2 the chats as soon as i want to do something. i only come here when i can not figure out anything else and think i have tried everything
14:38<Zathras_>things just do not work. There is info in logs etc
14:38<dr|z3d>Like I said enough times, you're coming to the _wrong place_ for support. Linux Mint is NOT Debian. Period.
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14:40<nico>i don't give a crap if it is debian or friken windows but i need to know if anyone has any ideas as to why the wireless card is registering 2 the computer but not connecting to the internet. and i guess from now on i wil have to put my whole name on here because u seem like the kind of peole that would be more polite to a woman if you were certain i was one then if my name looks like a man's
14:40<chealer>nico: a distribution is not Debian just because its package format is Debian's.
14:42<dr|z3d>We don't care if you're man, woman, dog, or dinosaur. You won't receve special treatment just because your breasts are exaggerated in shape. sorry.
14:42<nico>suck it dr.
14:42*dr|z3d laughs.
14:42<srbaker>hey, what happened to wanting equality?
14:42<nico>i didn't know someone died and made u the god of deb.
14:43<chaos-ir1si> <-- what do i do about that please?
14:43<nico>hey i didn't say what 2 suck there is alot more to suck on a woman than a man anyway thats why we are better. more for your money
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14:43<dr|z3d>I have all my sucking needs satisfied, nico, thanks anyways :)
14:44<srbaker>well. i was going to try and help here, but i think my time is better spent elsewhere.
14:44<chaos-ir1si>srbaker: u can help me :)
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14:45<srbaker>chaos-ir1si: looks like youre missing the kernel headers
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14:45<srbaker>chaos-ir1si: see line 17
14:45<srbaker>that's my best guyss. time to go
14:46<chaos-ir1si>where did it go... i leeched the source from
14:47<opticon>i have smb share mounted tried this partimage save /dev/sda1 /mnt/network/backup-of-sda1.pimg.gz but still gives error about /dev/sda1 being mounted looked at partimage docs not sure what to try next?
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14:50<jhutchins_lt>nico: wifi configuration is one of the biggest ways in which derivative distributions are different from Debian. We're not just being jerks, we don't run the distro and don't know how it's done in Mint. Distributions that don't have strong irc support sometimes do better in forums or mailing lists.
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14:50<jhutchins_lt>nico: Or you can install Debian, and we'll know how to help you then.
14:51<opticon>i have debian and am in need of help :(
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14:53<dr|z3d>nico: The one thing I can posit, and the only thing, which is specific to the Linux kernel, is that some adapters don't work as they should, even though they're registerered in the OS. If you can try an alternative adapter, great. It's a chipset issue/bug.
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14:56<q>teste de novo
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15:00<ryanakca>How can I determine the dependency path between package a and e? (ex: a-dep->b-dep->c-dep->d-dep->e)
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15:01<opticon>ahh maybe its just partimage cant image partitions while in use what a rip.......
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15:09<jhutchins_lt>ryanakca: You might try aptitude's "why" function.
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15:09<ryanakca>jhutchins_lt: Thanks
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16:59<fisxoj>hey, can someone help me out with some script-fu? I need the packages that depend on libnotify, all of them!
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17:03<Mortvert>Graaaagh, debian is acting slower than windows used to :|
17:03<Mithos>Mortvert: then ur doing something wrong
17:03<cthuluh>or you're running kde
17:04<Mortvert>cthuluh - gnome
17:05*Mortvert goes back to reading manuals >_<
17:05<cthuluh>that's the same ;)
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17:05<Mortvert>that's why i'm going back
17:05<cthuluh>but, more seriously, you're probably doing something wrong
17:05<Mortvert>cthuluh - like what
17:06<cthuluh>how could I know? 8)
17:06<Mortvert>what i should pastebin? :3
17:06<Mortvert>since it's acting like 'Are you in hurry? No. Then you'll wait while i open this folder'
17:07<cthuluh>well, good luck if you want to debug it
17:07<Mortvert>well, i'm afraid of bugs, even of system ones
17:07*Mortvert doesn't want touch anything that can damage system anyway
17:08<Mortvert>can the slow-down be because i have 1243 packets installed?
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17:24<Zathras_>fisxoj, apt-get install apt-rdepends
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17:40<WapiFlapi>Hi, I am a newbie on Debian, trying to install it on my mac (powerpc) right now, (not this pc ) , i have some problems with the instalation, is this the place to ask for help ?
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17:44<fisxoj>Zathras_, thanks
17:44<will>WapiFlapi: just ask your REAL question
17:44<will>someone may give an answer
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17:52<WapiFlapi>will: i think i have found the answer, its probably the cd that hasent been burned corectly :/ I am trying to download the iso again ...
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17:55<ProIcons>how can i change an account password via SSH?
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18:05<NonLoSo>on google chrome ultimate release, i don't see videos
18:05<NonLoSo>with iceweasel yes
18:06<NonLoSo>i must install flash plugin non free?
18:11<will>why don't you just use the default Flash plugin?
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18:14<NonLoSo>ok is installed
18:14<NonLoSo>but chrome say "missing plugin"
18:14<NonLoSo>tk will
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18:16<will>where did you get chrome?
18:17<NonLoSo>on google web page
18:17<NonLoSo>and installed with gdebi
18:18<NonLoSo>the previous version work well
18:18<will>so ask Google support for their product
18:19<will>still you can use Iceweasel with swfdec
18:19<pascal>As you are using Debian GNU Linux, why not take Chromium? I don't know whether the OpenSource version is any better.
18:20<NonLoSo>in the repository, no chromium
18:20<pascal>Ok, I got it.
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18:21<NonLoSo>now i search in debian web site
18:21<pascal>But Chrome is in the repositories? That surprises me. Per default they have only free sources, as far as I know.
18:21<NonLoSo>(sorry for my english)
18:23<NonLoSo>in a precedent debian installation, i found it in the reposytory
18:23<NonLoSo>with lenny not
18:23<pascal>Which Debian are you using? Stable, Testing, Sid, Sidux?
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18:26<NonLoSo>the only chromium in my sistem is a game :(
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18:27<will>if it's not in Lenny main section it's not supported by Debian
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18:28<NonLoSo>but a week ago, it works!
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18:28<NonLoSo>i dont't know wy?
18:28<will>me too :-D
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18:29<NonLoSo>wit backports and installing the flash plugin not free
18:29<NonLoSo>appears a message
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18:29<NonLoSo>with kernel panic
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18:29<will>which architecture?
18:30<NonLoSo>amd 64
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18:30<NonLoSo>and adobe Have not a version for 64 bit
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18:31<will>the non-free Adobe Flash plugin for amd64 is no longer supported by Adobe
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18:31<NonLoSo>but i repeate, one week ago.....
18:31<NonLoSo>same installation , same pc
18:31<will>because it provides a huge security hole to the system
18:31<NonLoSo>may be
18:32<will>and yes you may have used it a week ago
18:32<NonLoSo>is a million dollar question hahahahaha
18:33<will>now Adobe decided to remove the beta plugin from Adobe Labs
18:33<will>and you should have a word to say still it's proprietary
18:33<will>welcome in the real world
18:34<NonLoSo>ok but why, iceweasel work?
18:34<will>because swfdec is libre
18:34<will>and it's the default plugin for Iceweasel
18:35<will>it's not very efficient but it works
18:35<NonLoSo>i do a mistake with HD partition last week
18:35<will>if you don't open too many porn windows
18:35<NonLoSo>and i must reinstall debian lenny
18:36<NonLoSo>this is the problem hahahahahaha
18:36<NonLoSo>NonLoSo> and i must reinstall debian lenny
18:36<NonLoSo>with this new surprise
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18:37<will>the main problem is the Flash use
18:37<will>and Adobe have done a good job to remove the amd64 plugin
18:37<will>I'm just waiting for the end of their crap
18:38<NonLoSo>i don't know why, 64 bit is a good machine, for me...
18:38<pascal>I have Flash 32 bit running on AMD64 but it uses a lot of CPU. Had the same experience as NonLoSo when Flash get installed anymore after reinstallation of Debian. SWF didn't work on any site.
18:39<will>but Flash is proprietary and not very efficient
18:39<NonLoSo>quote pascal
18:39<pascal>Flash is generally inefficient, not only the proprietary version!
18:40<pascal>At least the proprietary versions works with my system
18:40<will>the proprietary is less inefficient than swfdec
18:40<NonLoSo>ok but i don't see the videos lol
18:40<NonLoSo>can you give me a old version?
18:40<pascal>"ok but i don't see the videos lol" I guess that is pretty inefficient
18:41<will>real streaming softwares are really efficient
18:41<will>but web streaming sucks
18:42<NonLoSo>tk for all will and pascal
18:42<will>it's no longer Macromedia
18:42<will>it's Adobe
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18:43<NonLoSo>i hold chrom for web navigation
18:43<will>don't pay attention to them
18:43<pascal> > NonLoSO Looking for the tutorial, may take same time, so please be patient if you are interested
18:43<NonLoSo>oh yes, i'm very patient with linux
18:44<NonLoSo>is the only way
18:44<pascal>you are right
18:44<NonLoSo>tk hahahaha
18:44<NonLoSo>but debian is fantastic for me
18:44<will>the only way is libre softwares
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18:45<will>GNU/Linux is only A way
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18:46<NonLoSo>in my home with 4 pc
18:46<NonLoSo>only linux is installed
18:46<qq->will, GNU/Kbsd is another ..
18:46<NonLoSo>various distribution
18:47<will>but some think Debian is the only way
18:47<will>i'm among them
18:47<NonLoSo>debian is better on this
18:47<NonLoSo>i'm satisfated
18:47<will>at least for the current state
18:49<NonLoSo>only this little problem with chrome and WiFi card on board
18:49<NonLoSo>a usb key works well
18:49<qq->lspci -nn
18:49<will>WiFi is an other problem
18:50<NonLoSo>realtek 8187b problem
18:50<NonLoSo>dlink 122 no problem
18:50<will>even for the Debian policy
18:50<qq-> [rtl-wifi] the Realtek Linux 802.11b/g wireless LAN drivers, included in mainline Linux kernels. Supports the RTL8180, RTL8185 and RTL8187 chipsets; RTL8187B as of Linux 2.6.27.
18:51<pascal>@NonLoSo This link worked with me:
18:51<NonLoSo>yes right
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18:51<will>since there are a lot proprietary firmwares in the Linux kernel
18:51<pascal>C'est la vie!
18:51<qq->ou la mort
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18:51<NonLoSo>but i like stable sistem
18:51<pascal>Ou est la différence?
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18:52<pascal>My Testing is quite stable
18:52<NonLoSo>another installation?
18:52<qq->NonLoSo, uname -r , says
18:53<NonLoSo>hahahahaha no tk
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18:54<NonLoSo>ale@debianlaptop:~$ uname -r
18:54<qq->try backports kernel
18:54<qq->, kernels
18:54<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.34-1-686 (2.6.34-1~experimental.2); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2)
18:54<dpkg> is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added: "aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update". <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents> <bpo list> <backports-users> <bpo kernel>
18:54<witte>!bpo kernel
18:54<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are distributed via Ask me about <bpo> to add to your sources.list correctly and add the debian-backports-keyring package. You can then "aptitude -t lenny-backports install linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'`" (i.e. linux-image-686, linux-image-amd64). "/msg judd kernels" to see a list of kernels in Debian.
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18:55<NonLoSo>i'm scary to recompile the kernel
18:55<witte>NonLoSo: no recompilation is needed
18:55<qq->NonLoSo, no needs
18:55<witte> contains newer packages for the stable debian distribution
18:55<NonLoSo>with backport no ok
18:55<NonLoSo>i do that
18:56<NonLoSo>in the past
18:56<NonLoSo>but i don't need now
18:57<witte>NonLoSo: didn't you have problems with your realtek wifi?
18:57<NonLoSo>my only question, today was for videos
18:57<witte>NonLoSo: ok :-)
18:57<NonLoSo>usb wifi key work well
18:58<NonLoSo>is solved :)
18:58<NonLoSo>ok tk for all see you another time
18:59<NonLoSo>i go to sleep now
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18:59<NonLoSo>good night
18:59<will>good night
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19:27<tom1000000>hello i boot linux with init=/bin/bash, but now i get error filesystem is read only
19:27<tom1000000>i need to update xwindows
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19:31<witte>tom1000000: is your system working without any problem if you log in normal?
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19:39<tom1000000>witte: no xwindows crashes
19:39<tom1000000>witte: i found reason
19:39<tom1000000>now i am trying to apply patch
19:39<tom1000000>i figured out how to remount drive
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19:41<witte>ok, if i have X problems, i usually use a bootable linux cd or an ssh connection to the box to solve the problem
19:42<witte>tom1000000: btw: you are running sparc64?
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19:48<tom1000000>witte: yes its a sun ultra5
19:48<tom1000000>got it for $1
19:48<witte>tom1000000: cheap for that weight of metal :-)
19:49<tom1000000>hahah i could probably sell it for scrap
19:49<witte>tom1000000: although it will compensate a lot by using a lot of electricity
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19:49<tom1000000>i wasn't going to run it every day :)
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19:49<tom1000000>but anyway it looks like i have run into kernel bug
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19:50<witte>the page you listed is from 2008, that is a while ago...
19:50<dpkg>[sparc] the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded systems usually run Solaris. For more information about SPARC, see and . To install Debian, ask me about <install guide> and see . For help with Debian on SPARC, join #debian-sparc on
19:51<tom1000000>can i use apt to get latest kernel image
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19:51<witte>tom1000000: if you have a command yes
19:51<tom1000000>i do
19:51<tom1000000>bash shell
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19:52<witte>tom1000000: are you running stable?
19:53<witte>tom1000000: which kernel do you have now, is it updated to the latest version available?
19:54<tom1000000>i have devian 5.02 cd
19:54<tom1000000>probably not
19:55<tom1000000>what command is it to get kernel version
19:56<tom1000000>i am pretty sure i have debian 5.02 stable cd
19:56<tom1000000>it installed fine
19:56<witte>tom1000000: first do aptitude update;aptitude dist-upgrade
19:56<witte>(or use apt-get if you prefer that)
19:56<tom1000000>witte: thank you i will try it
19:56<witte>next search for kernels: apt-cache search linux-image
19:57<witte>and install the latest: aptitude install linux-image-....
19:57<witte>tom1000000: if you need a newer, there is a 2.6.32 sparc kernel in backports
19:57<dpkg> is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added: "aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update". <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents> <bpo list> <backports-users> <bpo kernel>
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19:58<tom1000000>witte: thank you. my problem is i started linux with init=/bin/bash , and it hasn't started the network
19:58<tom1000000>witte: i need to disable x-windows starting
19:58<tom1000000>witte: would you know what text file i edit?
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19:59<qq->cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
19:59<qq-># /usr/bin/gdm
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20:03<witte>tom1000000: what qq- said should work
20:03<dpkg>Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm gdm pdm slim". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console.
20:04<witte>tom1000000: you can also just start your network. If you have a normal ethernet cable and everything is standard: ifconfig eth0 up;dhclient eth0
20:04<tom1000000>commenting out /usr/bin/gdm didn't work sorry
20:04<tom1000000>witte: thanks i will try that
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20:06<witte>tom1000000: can you get to a console after x has crashed? (e.g. ctrl-alt-F2)
20:06<tom1000000>i tried ctrl-alt-f2 didn't wokr
20:06<tom1000000>i will try update-rc.d -f xdm remove
20:06<qq-> # /usr/bin/xdm ..
20:08<qq->update-rc.d may remove things ? never seen yet
20:08<qq->tom1000000, try proper remove command
20:09<qq->well bot say other else ..
20:11<witte>qq-: update-rc.d will remove the links in /etc/rc*.d
20:11<dpkg>from memory, update-rc.d is used to manipulate System V style init script links, which are used to stop/start system services. Read the update-rc.d man page for a good introduction to Debian's boot process. For front-ends, ask me about <rcconf>, <sysv-rc-conf>, <bum>.
20:12<qq->witte, heh , only links , ok
20:12<witte>qq-: well, startup links, can be important ;-)
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20:15<tom1000000>ok i have bash shell with eth0 and i successfully pinged
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20:16<tom1000000>i have to setup backports
20:16<witte>tom1000000: well, first try to get the newest kernel in stable, maybe it has resolved the issue
20:17<witte>otherwise, setting up backports is easy (for more information: "/msg dpkg bpo")
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20:20<tom1000000>witte: what is command to get newest kernel
20:20<tom1000000>apt-get something
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20:20<witte>tom1000000: first find the latest: apt-cache search linux-image
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20:21<witte>tom1000000: then install the correct version: apt-get install linux-image-2.6.26something
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20:28<tom1000000>the apt search command showed it only has 2.6.26
20:28<tom1000000>i checked at it doesn't have the patch
20:28<tom1000000>i have to get 2.6.32
20:28<tom1000000>so i will use the backports
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20:30<qq->aptitude -t lenny-backports install linux-image-2.6.32-blahblah
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20:34<dvs>no, aptitude -t lenny-backports install linux-image-2.6-???
20:36<qq->dvs, both works, yours is more general
20:37<tom1000000>i did: aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update
20:37<tom1000000>it is removing some packages
20:37<tom1000000>hope that doesn't cause problems
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20:41<tom1000000>ok i can run aptitude -t lenny-backports install linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.4-sparc64-smp
20:41<tom1000000>does that automatically update SILO (equivalent of LILO)
20:42<qq->yes, and hope for silo
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20:49<witte>tom1000000: you can always just run silo...
20:49<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, silo is the <SPARC> Improved Linux LOader. It is designed to boot GNU/Linux on Sun SPARC hardware.
20:50<witte>tom1000000: in any case, good luck, i am heading for bed...
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21:38<Kirby64>So, I'm trying to get cups sharing a printer over the network... and I'm having a lot of trouble printing from different computers
21:39<Kirby64>Anyone know what I'm doing wrong? I know it's a little vague, but I've been working at it for hours and it's getting a bit frustrating
21:39<Kirby64>For reference: This is all command line... no GUI available
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21:41<tom1000000>is anyone here familiar with sparc silo
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21:42<ja660k>hey all, how do i check if my terminal is root in bashrc?
21:42<ja660k>yeah, but how do i check?
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21:59<daniel_>Hey everyone
21:59<david>hi there
21:59-!-david is now known as Devlin
21:59<daniel_>Whats going on in here?
21:59<Devlin>I dunno, I just got in here myself
21:59<Devlin>I was wondering about a weird thing that's happening sometimes
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22:00<Devlin>that happens
22:00<daniel_>your a Ubuntu User?
22:00<Devlin>Debian 5.0.5
22:00<Devlin>installed a few hours ago
22:00<daniel_>Ubuntu 10.4
22:00<qq-> /topic
22:00<daniel_>running ubuntu for 2 years now
22:00<Devlin>I had windows xp on this before and the keyboard thing never happened
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22:01<Devlin>ubuntu liked to crash a lot
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22:01<Nemoder>daniel_: using gnome?
22:01<daniel_>yea. This desktop used to have windows vista and then one day it decide not to boot into windows ever again so thats how I became a ubuntu user
22:01<kop>Devlin: That's why I like debian stable. It just works.
22:01<daniel_>yes I am a GNOME user
22:01<Devlin>kop: this IS debian stable
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22:01<kop>Devlin: Right. I know.
22:02<daniel_>I still working around the linux world
22:02<Nemoder>might be a sticky keys thing in gnome control center
22:02<Devlin>I checked and double checked
22:02<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
22:02<cthuluh>shhht, qq- :)
22:02<Devlin>As I was saying, the problem never occured on Windows XP
22:02<daniel_>ahh yes
22:02<Devlin>i've been using various permutations of Debian and Ubuntu for years now
22:02<daniel_>I really love Linux. did youknow they made linux illegal in canada?
22:03<cthuluh>ha ha ha
22:03<Devlin>I'm happily dual-booting winXP/ubuntu on my main machine
22:03<Devlin>and there it goes again xD
22:03<kop>Devlin: "the keyboard thing"?
22:03<daniel_>My desktop is running 100 percent Ubuntu
22:03<daniel_>no dual booting nothing
22:04<Devlin>Just out of nowhere, the keyboard will randomly hold a key down for about 2-3 seconds
22:04<kop>Devlin: Without touching it?
22:04<Devlin>Nope, while typing
22:04<daniel_>wow thats weird
22:04<Devlin>as you can see
22:04<Devlin>I'm not randomly holding down keys myself, you know. it'd be a bit silly in all honesty.
22:05<kop>Devlin: You might not be touching any keys.
22:05<daniel_>What IRC client are you guys using?
22:05<kop>Devlin: And you might or might not be touching the key that repeats, you haven't said.
22:05<Devlin>I'm using Konversation
22:05<Devlin>The key that repeats is usually the last key I hit before it happens
22:05<Devlin>Doesn't seem to happen that often either
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22:06<kop>Devlin: Try a kernel from and see if that helps. Is your hardware newish?
22:06<Devlin>Nope. it's a Fujitsu-Siemens Amilo Pro V2000
22:06<Devlin>some years old
22:06<Devlin>it's just had it's screen replaced
22:06<daniel_>wow one thing about linux it's compatable with some devices
22:06<Devlin>it was my old dev machine before I set up my PC
22:06<daniel_>I just got a brand new Cannon printer and it couldn't pick up the driver
22:07<daniel_>in Ubuntu
22:07<daniel_>it picked up my old printer but not the new one :(
22:07<kop>Devlin: If that does not help then file a bug report against the kernel and see what happens. Although try first in a console. Use irssi or some such in irc in a console and see if you've still the problem there, just to take X out of the picture.
22:07<Devlin>I actually think it might be related to pidgin
22:07<Devlin>because I'm not getting any hiccups now i've killed it
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22:08<Devlin>which could also imply that it's a CPU usage thing
22:08<Devlin>speaking of, I spoke too soon
22:08<Devlin>not pidgin
22:08<daniel_>wow that sucks
22:08<qq->daniel_, keep on topic , please, or just be quiet
22:08<cthuluh>it would be wise to check twice before filling a bugreport againts the kernel
22:09<cthuluh>Devlin: so it only happens with xchat?
22:09<daniel_>who is QQ?
22:09<kop>daniel_: qq- is giving you good advice. People who are offtopic get kicked off after a while.
22:09<daniel_>fine I will just leave then
22:10<Devlin>hm, it's not happening in the console
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22:10<Devlin>I had a look at the bug page, I think it's happened before
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22:12<Devlin>cthuluh: I am using Konversation
22:12<Devlin>And it has happened in an xterm and pidgin IM window as well
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22:12<cthuluh>oh sorry, I misread
22:13<kop>Devlin: Then try a console, ctrl-alt-fN stuff.
22:13<Devlin>to tty2!
22:13<kop>Devlin: Sure.
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22:15<Devlin>ok, it's not happening in console
22:15<Devlin>10 whole lines of gibberish showed that
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22:18<Devlin>It's not happening now
22:18<Devlin>That's annoying and strange
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22:19<kop>Devlin: You're sure it's not hardware (if it's a laptop and the screen has recently been replaced?) Anyhow, that's a good thing to file a bug report on if you can get it to repeat. If it does pop up again, say after reboot, try a kernel.
22:19<Devlin>just tried a 'stress --cpu 10' to see if I could force it to happen
22:19<Devlin>kop: the keyboard is also new :/
22:20<Devlin>And as I previously mentioned, I never had any issues with it in the install of Windows XP SP3 before it.
22:21<qq->XP ? tooo old ;)
22:21<Devlin>heh, this thing isn't quite beefy enough for Win XP/7
22:21<Devlin>*vista/7 even
22:21<kop>Devlin: Linux tends to work out the hardware, instead of working around it as happens with MS products. So you often uncover hardware bugs. Then the devs will work around it. But only if they know there's a problem so you'd need to report it....
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22:24<Devlin>what package name is it?
22:27<kop>Devlin: That's the hard part. You can try guessing and then work with whoever responds to your bug report. If it happens in X but on on the console you could file against xorg.... Maybe someone here can figure it out.
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22:28<Devlin>I've seen some reports from googling that some say it's kernel and others say it's xorg
22:28<Devlin>I personally think it's xorg
22:28<kop>Devlin: Well you can try a new kernel, but not a new xorg so that should help narrow it down.
22:29<qq->Devlin, uname -r , says ?
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22:35<qq-> use /msg dpkg bpo , for newer kernel
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22:37<Devlin>ok I have no idea what i'm looking for in this list
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22:39<qq->add backports to your sources.list to install newer kernel (2.6.32)
22:39<kop>Devlin: Go to and follow the instructions.
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22:48<Devlin>installing the kernel package now
22:48<Devlin>If I remove these packages will they automatically clean up my grub menu?
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22:51<qq->remove what ?
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22:53<Devlin>Let's see...
22:53<Devlin>Four score and OVER9000 years ago, there was a jedi samurai ninja called Joe, and he was a sort of evil dude sometimes but not always because he buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo
22:53<Devlin>hm, nothing :o
22:55<qq->huh, now it repeat 'words' : buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo ;) crap
22:55<Devlin>buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo makes perfect sense though, loll.
22:55<Devlin>No issues so far. Looks like we're good to go!
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22:56<Devlin>Is there any way to get that "Hardware Drivers" app that's in Ubuntu? I wouldn't mind setting up my Wi-Fi
22:57<qq->lspci -nn , say about wifi ?
22:57<Devlin>lots of things
22:57<Devlin>give me a sec
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22:58<Devlin>02:06.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG [Calexico2] Network Connection [8086:4220] (rev 05)
22:58<Devlin>That's the wireless card
22:58<guilherme>is it possibly to have a debian (squeeze) and install a hurd kernel? and a BSD kernel??
22:58<bja>judd: pciid 8086:4220
22:59<judd>[8086:4220] is 'PRO/Wireless 2200BG [Calexico2] Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'ipw2200' in lenny. See also
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22:59<bja>Devlin: ^^
22:59<dpkg>ipw2200 is the driver for Intel PRO/Wireless 2200 and 2915 802.11a/bg chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.15. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-ipw2x00 package to provide. #ipw2100 on
22:59<qq->Devlin: ^^
22:59<Devlin>Ubuntu has made my bash-fu weak!
23:01<Devlin>now I need the app to manage my wireless connection, right?
23:01<Devlin>or do I just need to reboot?
23:01<qq->Devlin, installed what bot said ?
23:02<Devlin>assume i'm doing as i'm told unless I say otherwise in this case
23:02<bja>Devlin: iwconfig eth1 essid youressid key 743847 ; dhclient eth1 <-- add salt and pepper to your liking
23:02<Devlin>No gui way to do it?
23:02<qq->no need
23:03<Devlin>Well it doesn't need wireless here
23:03<bja>Devlin: lots of ways, i just haven't been able to do it with gui
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23:03*bja has an impairment to understand gui's
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23:04<Devlin>Considering I started using commandline only computers you'd think my cli-fu was strong
23:04<Devlin>but GUIs have made me weak and squishy
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23:07<Devlin>Well, the new kernel appears to be operating quite happily
23:08<Devlin>Thanks for all the help/advice guys
23:08<Devlin>(and gals)
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23:22<qq->!ops mauriciomss
23:22<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: qq- complains about: mauriciomss
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23:31<bja>qq-: First impression was spamming, then i though, maybe just a total newby to irc. I was right
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23:32<qq->my bad , then
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23:32<bja>I can live with that :-)
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23:33<bja>sqlite2 is not compatible with sqlite3?
23:33<qq->read changelog
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23:36<bja>qq-: thx, do you know of any utility that will dump an sqlite version2 database to plain text sql. So it can be fed into version 3?
23:37<qq->no, sry
23:38<bja>naa, don't be i'll write it down. I was hoping on avoiding it :)
23:39<qq->no something as "import" in sqlite3?
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23:40<bja>well there is sqlite3 that is a client to libsqlite3 and you can manage it as any other sql client
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23:41<bja>qq-: found it thx :-)
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23:42<qq->np , i'm not the one
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