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---Logopened Tue Jul 06 00:00:19 2010
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00:00<qq->no flash , use more ram
00:00<nasuta>i have flash on 64bit
00:01<qq->nasuta, flash on 64bit is a security hole
00:01<nasuta>you can use the 32bit ;-)
00:03<qq->running all as 32 bit is cleaner
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00:04<nasuta> <qq-> my hardware have 6gb ram, with 32bit i use only the half...
00:04<qq->use -bigmem kernel
00:04<BoxyBrown>jay, I always skip the 64-bit and go x86. video drivers and flashplugin-nonfree always seemed to be a hassle in 64-bit
00:05<franki^>I use 64-bit without issue, but I wouldn't really say that there's any great reason to.
00:07<jay__>so it's not faster or anything like that?
00:08<BoxyBrown>afaik, only if the app is built for 64-bit...
00:08<jay__>I see, ok, that
00:08<BoxyBrown>and apparently not many are optimized for the platform
00:09<franki^>And I doubt you'd notice the difference, to be honest.
00:09<jay__>is what I wanted to know, I guess I wont be switching just yet
00:10<BoxyBrown>there is still some disagreement on the debian forum about it. you could always test drive on a spare partition and make your own judgment
00:10<jay__>I just got curious since al my friends that use windows brag about their 64 bit systems and stuff(even though my debian box is still faster XD)
00:11<BoxyBrown>lol, if they are bragging about it, ask them what software they use takes advantage of the platform... Their eyes will glaze over.
00:12<jay__>hahaha, most likely
00:13<jay__>I tried 64 bit around two years ago, and I remember everything crashing
00:13<jay__>I thougt it might be different by now
00:13<BoxyBrown>I just remember the pita dealing with flash was. and saw no difference vs x86. then again, i am lazy.
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00:32<hapsburg>alsa doesn't remember being previously configured, alsactl store says "" (nothing) and on boot I get "Setting up ALSA...done." twice
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00:34<hapsburg>any ideas why alsa forgets settings from the previous boot?
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00:56<simonrvn>alsactl store will store them
00:56<simonrvn>though it should be doing that on reboot/shutdown... (technically)
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00:59<hapsburg>it may store the data but something is making the OS forget it
00:59<hapsburg>or disregard it
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01:15<hapsburg>is there a message that alsactl store will cause to be displayed on shutdown?
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02:04<acx0>i'm trying to remove evolution from my box but aptitude says that it will also remove gnome and gnome-desktop-environment; is it safe to go ahead and do this or should I backup my partition before messing with this?
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02:07<jm_>those are both meta packages, so if it doesn't removing something else you need ...
02:09<acx0>so it won't remove gnome?
02:09<jm_>it shall tell you what will be removed
02:09<jm_>if you see stuff like gnome-core then it's problematic
02:10<acx0>so I should probably leave it as it is?
02:11<jm_>I think it's safe to remove it, just look at the removal list aptitude displays
02:12<acx0>the removal list shows 1) evolution-exchange 2) gnome 3) gnome-desktop-environment
02:12<jm_>if it's only that you should be fine
02:12<acx0>I think I'll create an image of my partition before messing with this
02:12<acx0>you're joking right?
02:12<jm_>what makes you think I am?
02:13<acx0>i don't want to remove gnome...
02:13<jm_>I already explained that it's only a meta package
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02:39<BoxyBrown>if you autoremove a metapackage, you will remove stuff you'd rather not... dang, I gorget the command to prevent that. Somebody chinme in here.
02:39<BoxyBrown>ugh... *forget
02:39<BoxyBrown>heh, 26 minutes, need a better clock here
02:40<jm_>one marks packages as manually installed
02:43<jm_>or aptitude
02:44<BoxyBrown>I guess I should have TAB-completed apt- before speaking... mmm... beeeeer.
02:45<BoxyBrown>in this case, however, that would be a lot of apt-mark going down.
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02:45<BoxyBrown>Easier to leave the (crappy app) alone, or be ready to do a minimal install avoiding such cruft.
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02:52<jerryclunsford>what java script version do I need debian lenny stable and where can I get it?
02:53<jerryclunsford>web java script are not running in my web browser
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02:53<jm_>you must be confused and are probably looking for java, not javascript
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02:55<jerryclunsford>confused probably, how can install javascript?
02:56<jm_>it's already installed as part of the browser, just install java plugin and you shall be OK\
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02:57<jerryclunsford>Thanks I take a look for it
02:58<jm_>apt-cache search java plugin
02:58<jm_>should be sun-java*-plugin or so
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03:03<jerryclunsford>well it is already installed and and enabled in the preferences for ice weasel and epiphany web browsers but javascripts don't work
03:05<jm_>javasctript can also be disabled in browser's settings or via add-ons
03:05<jm_>same goes for java
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03:11<jerryclunsford>javascript is enabled in browser settings but can't find it in add-ons
03:12*weasel hugs noscript
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03:15<vook>anyone know the status of or information about nvidia-bl-dkms ? I can't seem to find the source anywhere.
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03:18<vook>nm - never fails. I ask in here and find the answer on my own moments later...
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03:24<jerryclunsford>Thanks for your time, Good Night all.
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03:29<Mischelmann>jeand da?
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03:39<frobenius>i have version squeeze/sid, is it normal that i am not able to install ia32libs? if so, should i upgrade to sid/sid?
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03:42<jm_>package name is ia32-libs
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03:49<franz>Hi all. I installed drupal6 on lenny from repository
03:49<franz>I have to make a new separate drupal installation
03:50<franz>Should I use the multisite feature of drupal or is there another way?
03:50<frobenius>jm_, says it has unmet dependencies "Depends: ia32-l* but it is not installable."
03:52<dpkg>cn is probably China, or for help in chinese please join #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
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03:52<jm_>frobenius: which version is it?
03:53<jm_>frobenius: I don't see any dependencies named ia32-* for it
03:53<frobenius>jm_, says version: 20090808
03:53<jm_>frobenius: put the output of installation attempt on some pastebin site
03:54<frobenius>jm_, ok
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03:56<alistair>hello Im new to this, What command in python opens a usb drive
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04:03<jm_>frobenius: also post "apt-cache show ia32-libs ; apt-cache policy ia32-libs"
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04:05<jm_>frobenius: doesn't look right :)
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04:07<frobenius>jm_, messed up apt situation?
04:07<jm_>frobenius: where did you get the version 3.0 from? that's the problematic one
04:08<jm_>judd versions ia32-libs
04:08<judd>Sorry, no package named 'ia32-libs' was found.
04:09<frobenius>jm_, i have no idea... this is all because im tryin to run skype
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04:11<jm_>frobenius: ahh the info on is outdated
04:11<jm_>wait, it's not, it's the same as in Packages.bz2
04:12<frobenius>jm_, is it because it has been recently removed?
04:13<jm_>frobenius: what happens if you update your package lists?
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04:13<jm_>frobenius: also, what's in your sources.list*?
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04:16<jm_>is that sources.list only? how about files in sources.list.d dir?
04:18<jm_>look for something with string "transitional/main"
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04:19<AY3-8912>I have a question, if anyone here would care to answer it.
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04:20<bartm>AY3-8912: nobody will care to answer a question if the question is not asked
04:20<AY3-8912>WEll, I just thought I'd see if anyone was even alive first.
04:20*simonrvn rearranges AY3-8912's letters and numbers around
04:20<AY3-8912>Mhy question is regarding trunk kernels. What is the point of them, and why are there no headers for them?
04:23<bartm>AY3-8912: looks like noone is alive :)
04:24<simonrvn>they're also old and shouldn't be used anymore. iirc.
04:24<AY3-8912>Yeah, well I certainly never asked for it to be installed...
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04:26<AY3-8912>Long story short, I've been downloading and checking all the dependencies by hand to run NDISwrapper on a laptop that has wifi and no ethernet port.... after spending all day on this, I go to compile the module, and can't. No headers. I have trunk. Trunk has no headers. So I'm sorry if I seem angsty.
04:28<simonrvn>ah yes, that would cause issues ;).
04:28<jm_>trunk kernels are certainly not available by default ...
04:28<AY3-8912>And I certainly don't wish to download all 20-30-something discs of packages.
04:28<AY3-8912>I never requested one... Ever.
04:29<AY3-8912>It's what the netinst CD put on my machine.
04:29<gsimmons>jm_: A -trunk image is installed courtesy the d-i alpha installer.
04:29<AY3-8912>What is the point of trunk images?
04:29<AY3-8912>What differentiates them, from say, 2.6.32-5-486?
04:29<AY3-8912>What it SHOULD have..
04:29<jm_>gsimmons: well serves them right for not using something saner
04:29<BoxyBrown>devs have ditchd the trunks as trash.
04:30<dpkg>[trunk] a term from version control systems such as <cvs>, <svn> and <git>. The "trunk" can often be thought of as a developer's playground, the stability (or otherwise) of the code varies from project to project. . Debian 2.6.32-trunk-* kernel image/headers packages are obsolete and were removed from the archive ; /msg judd kernel --release squeeze ; see Debian bug #568160 and <kernel abi>.
04:30<BoxyBrown>a failed experiment
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04:30<gsimmons>jm_: *nods*
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04:31<bzed>BoxyBrown: no, not a failed experiment.
04:31<jm_>AY3-8912: they were useful before official 2.6.32 kernels showed up etc.
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04:31<bzed>BoxyBrown: stop talking such stuff when you don';t know what you're talking aboiut
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04:31<AY3-8912>So, why would they install by default in squeeze? And why are there no kernel headers?
04:32<bzed>AY3-8912: linux-image-[your platform]
04:32<bzed>AY3-8912: and there are headers.
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04:32<AY3-8912>I got it. But the fun part is that I get to grab all the dependencies too.
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04:32<bzed>AY3-8912: you'll get them automatically.
04:32<AY3-8912>(My debian machine is not online, and cannot be until NDISwrapper is working)
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04:33<AY3-8912>So don't assume I'll get them automatically.
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04:33<bzed>AY3-8912: no way to use ethernet?
04:33<cthuluh>AY3-8912: are you sure you can't do without ndiswrapper?
04:33<bartm>AY3-8912: can't you temporarily get a network connection via usb or so?
04:33<bzed>AY3-8912: and I've kinda sure you don't need ndiswrapper
04:33<bzed>AY3-8912: which card do you have?
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04:34<AY3-8912>No ethernet port at all. My card uses a Marvell chipset of some sort.
04:34<bzed>AY3-8912: which one?
04:34<AY3-8912>It's a D-Link DWA-130 (Rev A1)
04:34<bzed>AY3-8912: what does lspci -vnnn say?
04:34<AY3-8912>Give me a minute.
04:35<gsimmons>bzed: It's a USB device ; /msg dpkg dwa-130
04:35<bzed>gsimmons: ah :)
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04:36<jm_>it's impressive how this shit changes so much for the same product name, but different revisions
04:36<AY3-8912>bzed: Command not found.
04:36<bzed>AY3-8912: then I fear you might need the ndiswrapper indeed. you should borrow a usb ethernet adapter :)
04:37<bartm>AY3-8912: pciutils
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04:38<AY3-8912>bartm: It's not online, and it's a USB device anyways.
04:38<AY3-8912>dmesg, on the other hand, I can feed you that output.
04:39<AY3-8912>But it's not useful...
04:39<bzed>AY3-8912: no chance to replace that thing with something proper?
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04:40<AY3-8912>No, not really. I don't have the cash.
04:40<jm_>just get official kernel with headers available
04:40<AY3-8912>Is there any chance to replace the default-installing trunk kernel with something proper?
04:40<jm_>it's just another package install
04:41<BoxyBrown>sorry, been in another channel.
04:41<AY3-8912>What about dependencies? Get those too?
04:41<BoxyBrown>the devs have abandonded trunk...
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04:41<jm_>sure if you need it
04:41<AY3-8912>Then they should take it off of squeeze's weekly builds...
04:42<AY3-8912>I don't know if I need it. I'm asking, will replacing the kernel image, mean I have to replace other things too, or are the deendencies the same?
04:42<jm_>frobenius: ping
04:42<AY3-8912>dependencies, I mean to say.
04:43<jm_>it doesn't need anything special
04:43<jm_>and it won't replace it, it will install alongside existing kernel
04:43<AY3-8912>I hope not. I've been chasing dependencies all day, so the less, the better.
04:43<AY3-8912>I'd like to remove trunk if possible.
04:44<jm_>better wait with that until you know all is OK
04:44<BoxyBrown>Hey, I agree AY3, the trunk is a pos... just ask the venerable craigevil about it
04:49<franz>AY3-8912: I installed testing on a laptop last week and there was no trunk kernel image
04:49<dpkg>[trunk] a term from version control systems such as <cvs>, <svn> and <git>. The "trunk" can often be thought of as a developer's playground, the stability (or otherwise) of the code varies from project to project. . Debian 2.6.32-trunk-* kernel image/headers packages are obsolete and were removed from the archive ; /msg judd kernel --release squeeze ; see Debian bug #568160 and <kernel abi>.
04:49<bzed>franz, BoxyBrown: There is no trunk image anymore as the kernel images have a stable ABI now.
04:50<bzed>franz, BoxyBrown; 'trunk' there has nothing to do with something special from or whatever
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04:51<franz>anyone has suggestions about a drupal6 multiple site installation on lenny?
04:51<bzed>AY3-8912: can't you borrow a working card for an hour or so?
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05:02<axius>hello, i've got a little question about snmp on linux :), i'm using debian squeeze and i'd like to get using snmp, most of the information i would get using "who" from a remote linux debian squeeze server
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05:02<axius>where should i start ?
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05:04<jm_>axius: by installing snmp daemon and allowing access for remote hosts
05:04<AY3-8912>Okay, so...
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05:04<axius>i have done that, and set a community up, using snmpwalk i'm gettin information from the remote machin
05:05<AY3-8912>linux-image does depend on linux-base, which apparently isn't installed.
05:05<axius>i just don't know what mibs are for that specific information
05:05<AY3-8912>I don't know if I really believe that, but yeah. Here's my vote for removing trunk from the default install.
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05:09<AY3-8912>Now I can burn yet another CD.... No big deal, I've only burned about 20 trying to get all these dependencies...
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05:09<AY3-8912>Of course, trunk could have just been, you know....left out of the default know...
05:09<AY3-8912>Or at least have a headers package.
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05:10<jm_>or people could download the right image to start with
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05:12<AY3-8912>Right, during an offline install? Where it doesn't even bother asking what kernel to use?
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05:12<jm_>no, the install image, not linux-image ...
05:12<AY3-8912>Okay...netinst...businesscard...and...the whole 20-something CD set, when all I wanted was the base system.
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05:19<AY3-8912>Of course, the CD image itself never told me it was going to install trunk. I'd love to see the right CD image from a proper kernel, SIR.
05:19<AY3-8912>Point me in the right direction.
05:20<AY3-8912>Because if there is such an option for a CD with a proper kernel that installs by default, I'd love to see it. I could really use it.
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05:22<smv>AY3-8912, or you could just do 'apitude update && aptitude install linux-image-686' (or any that you need)
05:24<AY3-8912>It's an offline machine until I can compile NDISwrapper.
05:25<AY3-8912>So, I can't.
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05:28<smv>i guess you could download packages on another one, that is online and then use 'dpkg -i' to install those packages?
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05:31<AY3-8912>I've been doing that, and chasing the dependencies for them. I've been doing it for about 14 hours now.
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05:32<AY3-8912>Now I'm having to replace a lot of crap I already have because it decided to install trunk by default.
05:32<AY3-8912>And trunk has no headers, which makes it useless for compiling with it.
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05:33<zeromon>hi guys what happens if I remove /usr/local folder?
05:33<AY3-8912>Is there anything in it?
05:33<smv>a lot of bad things will happen.
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05:33<zeromon>I don't know I just removed by mistake
05:34<zeromon>but system is working nowproperly up to
05:34<AY3-8912>Hey, at least you don't have to chase dependencies for a machine you can't get that is a pain.
05:34<smv>zeromon, ls /usr/local
05:35<zeromon>nothing there I delteted by mistake
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05:35<zeromon>deletd sorry typo
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05:36<zeromon>I am just wondering what I can do.. interestingly nothing happend to me..
05:36<zeromon>it seems nothing changed
05:36<smv>then you only lost bin etc games include lib man sbin share src where games might not be important, and src might be empty
05:37<drllf>zeromon: that directory is for your own use, including deletion. packages don't put files in there
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05:38<zeromon>I think I have still bin etc games include lib man sbin share src
05:38<zeromon>under /usr folder
05:40<zeromon>zeromon@atom:/usr$ ls
05:40<zeromon>bin documentation edm_test Examples games include lib lib64 mbfit ncemsscommon ncemssdir sbin share src
05:41<smv>ya, don't mind me. i'm allways wrong.
05:41<zeromon>then I can just stay without /usr/share folder ?
05:42<drllf>zeromon: of course you can. but watch the breakage. /usr/share is totally different from /usr/local
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05:42<zeromon>sorry /usr/local
05:42<zeromon>I have still /usr/share
05:43<zeromon>thanks drllf
05:44<zeromon>I just thought if I should install debian again
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05:52<Raumkraut>So I've installed Testing on this machine, but my monitor loses any signal almost immediately after the GRUB menu. Any ideas?
05:53<Raumkraut>And Ctrl+alt+f1 or ctrl+alt+plus seemingly do nothing
05:54<AY3-8912>Yeah, here's an idea, watch out for trunk, I'm running the same.
05:54<AY3-8912>Aside from that, couldn't tell you. I'm using LILO.
05:54<drllf>Raumkraut: i've got Stable on a quite ordinary consumer laptop, and it will only boot with acpi=off. turning off acpi also tends to fix things on non-linuxen...
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05:55<Raumkraut>ah, I'd forgotten about acpi
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05:58<smv>there was a key combination to change the resolution, something with the numerical + and -, can't remember it...
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06:24<zumbi_>is there a tool to change ethernet bandwidth as there is `rate' on wireless networks?
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06:25<jm_>you can put card into supported speed setting/duplex setting
06:26<jm_>just make sure your other end agrees
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06:39<zumbi_>jm_: which is the tool that does that or which is the file to edit?
06:40<jm_>zumbi_: ethtool or mii-tool for really old drivers
06:40<AY3-8912>Excuse me, but if I've installed another kernel, how do I make it use that kernel instead? (No, it does NOT ask at boot)
06:40<cthuluh>AY3-8912: are you using ubuntu?
06:40<dr|z3d>AY3-8912: Try hitting Shift at startup.
06:41<jm_>you can specify which is the default in boot loader config
06:41<dr|z3d>shift should invoke grub's menu.
06:41<AY3-8912>No, I'm not using ubuntu. I'm using squeeze.
06:41<AY3-8912>I'm not using GRUB.
06:41<dr|z3d>It used to be escape, but for grub2 it's now shift I understand.
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06:41<cthuluh>AY3-8912: I said that because I've never seen a debian bootloader configured without a 5 seconds timeout
06:41<jm_>debian shows the menu by default
06:42<Lethalman>AY3-8912, lilo perhaps? what are you using?
06:42<AY3-8912>LILO indeed.
06:42<Lethalman>AY3-8912, in lilo.conf there's a menu, add your kernel there
06:42<dr|z3d>AY3-8912: If you're not using grub2, you may find startupmanager useful, also.
06:42<dr|z3d>Oh. LILO? Nevermind, then. though you said grub.
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06:42<Lethalman>AY3-8912, if you installed the new kernel with apt, then it's just about copying the old rows
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06:42<Lethalman>changing them slightly
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06:43<dr|z3d>Personally I find grub + burg a winning combination.
06:43<Lethalman>burg? :O
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06:44<dr|z3d>Lethalman: Yup, burg.. think of it as as customizable UI for grub.
06:44<Lethalman>I've always found lilo much simpler (and it is) than grub
06:44<Lethalman>I don't use lilo just because grub is automated on debian
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06:45<AY3-8912>Lethalman: I used dpkg to install it. Aside from that, what's the clean way to do this?
06:45<Lethalman>AY3-8912, as I said, modify /etc/lilo.conf
06:45<AY3-8912>lilo.conf just points to /vmlinuz and /initrd.img...
06:46<jm_>lilo also ships with update-lilo
06:46<Lethalman>jm_, really? nice
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06:46*AY3-8912 sighs.
06:47<Lethalman>dr|z3d, oh looks cool :O
06:47<Lethalman>dr|z3d, it's not in debian apparently
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06:47<AY3-8912>So, are vmlinuz and initrd.img just symlinks?
06:48<Lethalman>AY3-8912, yes
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06:48<AY3-8912>Or...what? Nothing specifically points to /boot/linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-486, which is what I want to replace. (And probably the respective initrd.img)
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06:49<AY3-8912>Okay... But is there a certain "debian" way to do this? Or is aptitude still going to whine and say my system isn't going to boot because it still thinks the symlinks point to the trunk kernel and initrd?
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06:50<koollman>AY3-8912: where does that kernel image come for ?
06:50<AY3-8912>Where does your grammar come from?
06:50<koollman>outer space
06:51<koollman>also, I lack coffee :)
06:51<AY3-8912>Oh, it comes from debian's repo...
06:51<AY3-8912>squeeze-i386, specifically.
06:53<AY3-8912>So, how does that matter? Wouldn't update-alternatives manage this?
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06:54<AY3-8912>Hey, what's the proper way to switch the kernel? A way that still makes the rest of debian behave?
06:54<koollman>AY3-8912: usual kernel packages use /etc/kernel-img.conf to choose what to do during post-installation (like updating symlinks or running some bootloader updater)
06:54<AY3-8912>This one didn't....
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06:55<AY3-8912>And it's from the squeeze repo.
06:55<AY3-8912>No idea? Nobody?
06:55<koollman>which is surprising. Very surprising for a debian kernel package, unless the postinstall script was changed. I don't know about that
06:56<AY3-8912>Much of this experience has been surprising, this is not new to me.
06:57<AY3-8912>But it's 4am, I've been cracking at this for 15 hours now, and I just want to have it boot the other kernel, and go to sleep. So if anyone can give me a straight, simple answer, how to do with without the rest of the system still thinking it's the old kernel....PLEASE....just tell me.
06:57<AY3-8912>If not, then a plain NO works.
06:58<dr|z3d>Lethalman: Not in Debian, no.. googlecode are hosting the main repos, afaik.
06:58<mercutio22>AY3-8912: in Grub2 you would just update-grub2
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06:59<AY3-8912>As has been said before, several times...
06:59<AY3-8912>I'm not using GRUB.
06:59<mercutio22>I don't know about LILO
06:59<koollman>AY3-8912: ok. just before you snap ... ls -l /vmlinuz , shows you where that points. since lilo use it, you can replace that symlink
06:59<AY3-8912> And this isn't going to break anything?
06:59<Mamy801>i want to make dns
07:00<AY3-8912>No modules, or anything of that sort?
07:00<koollman>AY3-8912: modules are kernel specific. each kernel has its own (in /lib/modules, a directory with the kernel version)
07:01<AY3-8912>(By the way, I'm not about to snap... I just know sometimes things I'd do in Slackware, really fsck up Debian. After spending all this time, and being this close to finally being able to compile the stupid NDISwrapper module I need to put this thing online, I really don't wanna trash my installation.
07:02<mercutio22>AY3-8912: Maybe you could switch to grub2 and it work out of the box?
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07:04<AY3-8912>Sure, just as soon as NDISwrapper is working, after I've compiled the module, after I've switched the kernel, which by that time, GRUB2 would be worthless to me.
07:04<AY3-8912>But thank you.
07:04<koollman>AY3-8912: basic way : add a new lilo entry, for your new kernel. if things don't go as planned, boot on the old entry
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07:05<mercutio22>AY3-8912: seems quite simple.
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07:05<AY3-8912>Thanks. That actually helps.
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07:05<AY3-8912>mercutio22: Believe it or not, I chose LILO over GRUB. LILO is simpler, faster, lighter.
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07:06<AY3-8912>And by the time I even get online, my headache is over, and kernel issue will be behind me.
07:06<AY3-8912>So thanks, but I'm not switching to GRUB.
07:06<jm_>obviously not simpler in this case
07:06<petemc>id be interested to know how its faster too
07:07<mercutio22>jm_: exactly my thoughts
07:07<locklace>"faster" is meaningless for a boot loader, and lilo is definitely not "simpler" from a user perspective
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07:08<AY3-8912>Hey, Linux is about choice, okay? If you like everything to be the same, then go to the wonderful world of Microsoft, okay? Now stop telling me to switch bootloaders, BECAUSE THE ISSUE IS NOT THE BOOTLOADER!
07:09<mercutio22>alright, alright...
07:09<mercutio22>toil away.
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07:09<locklace>you can do whatever you want, just don't complain when you set yourself up for problems the rest of us intentionally left behind years ago
07:10<AY3-8912>Okay, fuck this, I didn't come here to hear abut bootloader evangelism.
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07:10<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
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07:10<cthuluh>he's right
07:11<cthuluh>he doesn't seem to know how lilo works, but he's right :)
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07:14<cthuluh>and yet, it seems quite clear:
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07:36<DTE>hi there
07:36<DTE>i have problems with racoon and ipsec
07:37<DTE>sometimes the line is going away and the vpns are not coming up again
07:37<DTE>i have to force a racoon and setkey restart
07:38<DTE>in the logs i see that ERROR: fatal INVALID-SPI notify messsage, phase1 should be deleted.
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08:05<d12>Hello. When I manually install a packages with dpkg, it asks some questions, I should answer "yes" or "no" on EULA. Is there a way to automatically answer "yes" on these questions?
08:05<@Ganneff>search for debconf preseed
08:05<dpkg>[preseed] Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the Debian installation process, to allow for a streamlined or completely automated installation. The <install guide> provides an extensive appendix on preseeding with a full example. See also and
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08:15<Sokol^>hey there - I want to disable/allow few commands to a regular linux user in deb5.0.5 , google doesn't respond
08:15<Sokol^>ive found only that with the use of sudo i can allow few things
08:16<Sokol^>but how can i disable?
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08:17<Metrahla>is there any ftp server that can eazy add writing permsions for the ftp guest?
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08:17<pirates>who can i help me to configur zimbra
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08:21<Metrahla>anyone helping ?
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08:21<Metrahla>or an ftp server that can be eazily configured
08:21<jmm_>Metrahla: hi.
08:22<jmm_>Metrahla: any ftp server will do, configuration is quite easy everytime. you just need to read a few documentation.
08:22<Metrahla>jm_, could u recomend me one ? im using synaptics
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08:23<jmm_>pure-ftpd used to be nice.
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08:24<jmm_>just install it, then edit /etc/pure-ftpd/conf/NoAnonymous, and write no instead of yes.
08:24<Metrahla>k ty
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08:24<Metrahla>about a diff thing, is it possible to transfer files trougth a ssh shell?
08:25<jmm_>yes. , use scp.
08:25<jmm_>eg scp somefiles remotehost:/somewhere/
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08:25<jm_>Metrahla: I use vsftpd
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08:25<Metrahla>jm_, do u know why im installing the ftp servers with apt.. theres a message sayng that the software is not autenticated?
08:26<Metrahla>*when im installing
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08:26<jm_>Metrahla: yes
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08:27<jmm_>Metrahla: I think you need to install debian-archive-keyring.
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08:27<jm_>or other relevant package/key
08:27<jmm_>jm_, correct me if I'm wrong.
08:27<jmm_>heh .
08:27<Metrahla>well i guess its ok if install it..
08:28<Metrahla>ty alot ill brb
08:28<jmm_>yw. cya.
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08:42<Metrahla>jm_, do you know this error 500 OOPS: could not bind listening IPv4 socket
08:42<jm_>Metrahla: it usually means something else is already using the port, or perhaps wrong IP to listen on was specified
08:42<Metrahla>jm_, how can i reset or reisntall all my ftp server confs? i think that could help
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08:43<Metrahla>well yes, all the ftp servers im using arre getting errors
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08:43<Metrahla>jm_, i think it was something not well removed ..
08:43<jm_>Metrahla: please don't ask yes/no questions - normally when a package is installed/upgraded, it asks what to do with config file and you can select install new config file; another option is to purge the package which contains the config file and reinstall it, but you will lose all changes
08:45<Metrahla>oh.. id be glad if everything could be reset
08:45<jm_>so purge the relevant packages
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08:50<Metrahla>k, brb
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09:16<metrahla>jm_, im already at /etc/pureftp/conf/nonanon ..what can i type to get write access ?
09:17<jm_>metrahla: I have no idea about pure-ftpd, someone else mentioned it
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09:39<jmm_>metrahla: sorry I was afk.
09:40<jmm_>that file is no about write access. it's about login access.
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09:40<jmm_>to be able to write with user anonymous, just be sure to have 777 permission on the target directory.
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09:41<UrsoBranco>, debian package menu
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10:05<andalepaco>Hi anyone knows how to fix this error? X crash, [drm:i915_get_vblank_counter] *ERROR* trying to get vblank count for disabled pipe 1
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10:10<bartm>andalepaco: maybe the same problem as this
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10:14<andalepaco>bartm, thanks let me check
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10:18<Aleric>Anyone got an idea how I can best autostart synergy on debian with gnome?
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10:21<bartm>Aleric: maybe with "system, preferences, sessions" ?
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10:24<mercutio22>Which package provides gnome-language-selector?
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10:24<avu>mercutio22, apt-file can tell you
10:24<avu>mercutio22, so can
10:25<mercutio22>apt-file? Neat. Never heard of it
10:25<mercutio22>Will fetch
10:25<dpkg>hmm... as is autosearch: install apt-file and use apt-cache search <packagename> and/or apt-file search <name> , do it yourself. Don't forget to run apt-file update ;)
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10:36<helpme>there is problem while booting xen 3.2
10:37<helpme>not enough memory to run kernel dom0
10:37<helpme>using debian
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10:39<helpme>any one here ?
10:39<helpme>booting xen 3.2
10:39<helpme>error is not enough memory to boot kernel
10:39<bartm>so you said
10:39<helpme>what went wrong
10:39<bartm>wait some time for others to read what you wrote - someone might help :)
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10:40<helpme>you?can help
10:41<helpme>module (hd0,3)/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-xen-686
10:43<petemc>how much memory do you have?
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10:43<helpme>1.5 gb
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10:44<helpme>dom 0 not booting
10:44<petemc>you can specify how much memory for dom0 by adding dom0_mem= to the kernel line
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10:44<helpme>how much i add /
10:45<petemc>you decide
10:45<helpme>dom0_mem=1024mb?i dded 512 b4 but same error
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10:47<petemc>perhaps someone took the time and effort to document the dom0_mem option
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10:47<petemc>maybe you could them the courtesy of reading that documentation
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10:47<bartm>the syntax seems to be dom0_mem=1024M
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10:48<helpme>i have no xen folder in /etc
10:48<helpme>another problem ??
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10:55<madalynn>on lenny i can't see gmplayer buttons, they appear black but gmplayer works, how can i see the buttons?
10:55<bartm>madalynn: screenshot?
10:55<madalynn>i use xfce
10:55<madalynn>one moment
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11:08<Aleric>Unbelievable, why isn't debian using GNU which?
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11:09<bartm>Aleric: something wrong with /usr/bin/which ?
11:10<Aleric>no options
11:10<Aleric>it only got -a
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11:10<Aleric>And GNU which allows to expand shell functions and aliases too.
11:10<locklace>are you serious
11:11<locklace>every shell has a which builtin
11:11<bartm>Aleric: submit a wishlist bug report
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11:11<andalepaco>bartm: thanks bartm, i solved the issue, i update the kernel, and working
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11:11<bartm>andalepaco: cool
11:12<andalepaco>bartm thanks you
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11:23<Aleric>Here is an example why I prefer GNU which:
11:23<blackxored>hi guys, i want to to this with iptables, phone at A, goes to B using port 80, i want to setup a gatewat at C so that A goes to C which redirects to tor at C, for destination B, it's understandable ??? doable??? should i ellaborate more?
11:24<valdyn>blackxored: tell us the problem, not your idea of how to solve it
11:24<blackxored>valdyn, hehehe
11:24<Aleric>I wish synergy copy&pastes didn't add carriage returns to my pastes :/
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11:26<blackxored>valdyn, i'm using an android phone, once more my country limitations go for my head, and now i can't access google market, it can be accessed through tor of course, but still the phone's proxy settings are ignored by market which uses direct conenctions, so i want to setup my laptop as a gateway for the phone, almost transparently, but redirect the traffic for the market to the tor/polipo setup of that machine, so i can access it, probably a better sol
11:26<blackxored>ution exist, that's what came to mind
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11:27<valdyn>!transparent proxy
11:27<dpkg>somebody said transparent proxy was, or aka "interception caching", see Note that httpd_accel_* for transparent proxy is now implemented by the "transparent" http_port option in Squid 2.6 and later.
11:27<valdyn>blackxored: ^^
11:27<valdyn>blackxored: tor is the proxy I suppose
11:27<blackxored>valdyn, no clue
11:28<blackxored>valdyn, were talking about a redirect rule of iptables for all traffic, and an interception rule for the market traffic which redirects to tor
11:28<blackxored>what transparent proxy means there it's redirect port 80 to a squid
11:28<blackxored>damn it is
11:28<blackxored>lol of me, but still that leaves me with the redirection rule, and i don't want to setup squid
11:29<valdyn>blackxored: i dont know how exactly tor works. Either it implements a virtual network interface or its a proxy
11:30<blackxored>valdyn, i want this: my machine already has tor, and i've enabled ip_forward, and i've setup that ip as the gateway for the phone wireless connection
11:30<valdyn>blackxored: nothing else to do if tor is implementing a virtual network interface
11:30<blackxored>so i just now want to say "all traffic to port 80/443 redirect it to my machine on port 8118"
11:30<blackxored>is it that hard
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11:31<blackxored>valdyn, it's just listening on a port dude
11:31<valdyn>blackxored: no, thats transparent procxying
11:31<valdyn>blackxored: and thats explained by dpkg, it does not necessarily imply that you use squid
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11:33<valdyn>blackxored: thats the same deal, but this time explicitely with tor
11:33<blackxored>valdyn, great! checking the link :P
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11:48<mib_4tp9b1>Hi again! I can't see gmplayer buttons, they appear black, as I said before with a different nick. This is a screenshot: I use lenny with xfce
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11:49<bartm>mib_4tp9b1: seems worth submitting a bug report for
11:51<mib_4tp9b1>bartm: I have lenny on one other machine with gnome and there it works perfectly.
11:51<bartm>mib_4tp9b1: here too, works perfectly with gnome
11:52<mib_4tp9b1>bartm: thank you
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11:53<breakEM>hey guys
11:53<breakEM>anyone free to help?
11:54<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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11:55<breakEM>trying to install this ath9k driver all went well when i used mint now i use debian 2.6.26-2-686
11:55<breakEM>using compat wireless and when i try to make error
11:55<breakEM>make[1]: Entering directory `/lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/build'
11:55<breakEM>make[1]: Nothing to be done for `modules'.
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11:55<breakEM>make[1]: Leaving directory `/lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/build'
11:56<breakEM>first problem was with build folder i created it
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11:56<breakEM>i even created the modules in build folder
11:57<Mortvert>hat package i need to install to have make/gmake commands?
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11:58<dpkg>build-essential is probably a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>.
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12:30<lorena>k tallllll
12:30<lorena>como estais
12:30<Mortvert>/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -ljs
12:30<Mortvert>collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
12:30<Mortvert>make: *** [gcc.linux.lib.release/] Error 1
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12:30<Mortvert>what is /usr/bin/ld?
12:31<lorena>k tol
12:31<lorena>a got
12:31<lorena>a fats
12:31<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
12:31<bartm>Mortvert: man ld
12:31<lorena>de mundya ahdgy gaes de
12:31<lorena>como lo puedo poner en el español
12:31<Mortvert>and if the make exited with error 1?
12:32<bartm>Mortvert: missing libjs
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12:33<Mortvert>bartm, thanks
12:33<Mortvert>since i'm building BBS on remote host
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12:34<Mortvert>Couldn't find package "libjs". However, the following
12:34<Mortvert>packages contain "libjs" in their name:
12:34<Mortvert> [enter 30 lines of packages here]
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12:34<qq->dpkg, as | Mortvert
12:34<dpkg>qq-: I give up, what is it?
12:35<bartm>dpkg: tell Mortvert about as
12:35<qq->bartm, tks
12:38<Mortvert>apt-file is overflowing with errors
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12:55<Mortvert> dpkg: tell me about csv
12:56<Mortvert>cvs co lib/mozilla/js/freebsd.release
12:56<Mortvert> won't work
12:56<Mortvert>i meant cvs co lib/mozilla/js/linux.release
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12:58<Mortvert>perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: LANGUAGE = (unset),
12:58<Mortvert> LC_ALL = (unset), LANG = "pl_PL.UTF-8"
12:58<Mortvert>what i can do about this?
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13:01<bartm>Mortvert: dpkg-reconfigure locales
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13:10<gnufan>Oh dear - Google doesn't have many "init[1] segfault at 180a4a88" ... "error 6 in sh[8048000+5c000]" errors recorded. A box here panic'ed after 400days just as I was updating the traffic control settings in the kernel, and on reboot seems something bad has happened to the boot sequence. Anyone think it work rescuing - I might see if I can mount md0 from a live CD as I don't have a backup of my last 5 minutes of hacking the traffic control rules.
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13:13<valdyn>gnufan: init segfaulting probably just means you have hardware issues.
13:14<valdyn>gnufan: disks and data on those could be just fine, minus a minor journal replay
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13:17<gnufan>valdyn: but any clues where to start? Grr knoppix puts a splash screen in the way of seeing what is happening -- grr live cds
13:18<valdyn>gnufan: you cant boot knoppix?
13:19<gnufan>valdyn: we'll see if/where it stops this time
13:19<valdyn>gnufan: connect the disks to a working computer
13:19<valdyn>gnufan: and retrieve the data from there
13:21<gnufan>valdyn: probably wise Knoppix dies with some sort of ACPI related crash. The BIOS has the right time (GMT anyway). I was thinking the rack mountable box here we have spare would do the job of this one a lot better ;)
13:23<gnufan>valdyn: of course that is assuming I can find one with the right bus -- argh.....
13:23<Mortvert>still no luck with jslib
13:23<jhutchins_lt>gnufan: Could be hardware.
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13:28<retrospectacus>what's the command to install all installed packages on another machine ? dpkg -l > pkglist on the one, then "something" < pkglist on the other
13:29<petemc>retrospectacus: /msg dpkg debian clone
13:29<gnufan>retrospectacus: dpkg --get-selections
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13:30<retrospectacus>aha, thanks petemc
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13:31<gnufan>retrospectacus: urm "aptitude clone" - oh to know as much as dpkg ;)
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13:34<Mortvert>how i can remove non-empty dir?
13:34<retrospectacus>yeah I asked him "clone" and he said: <dpkg> our $apt=Blootbot->new($apt) :/
13:34<Gathond>Mortvert: either empty it or use rm -r
13:34<Torsten_W>Mortvert, rm -rf /path/to/dir
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13:38<jhutchins_lt>Mortvert: Didn't I give you some links to things like the System Administration Guide?
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13:39<Mortvert>jhutchins_lt, i don't recall
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13:39<Metrahla>wasnt the new skype version released for debian too ?
13:40<helpme>gdm not starting in xen4
13:40<Metrahla>at ubuntu 10.4 theres a new one, works ok
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13:41<Cefi>there is a new one for Debian too
13:41<Metrahla>but maybe it isnt on synatics .. on 10.04 it was
13:42<Cefi>i downloaded it from
13:43<Mortvert>jhutchins_lt, i'm on remote machine
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13:44<Cefi>Metrahla: I downloaded it from
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13:50<helpme>hello can anyone tell me how to patch this in kernel ?;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/devel/kms.fixes-0.3
13:51<helpme>i have an issue in loading gdm in newly insttlled xen 4
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13:56<helpme>hello anyone here availble ?
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14:00<helpme>problem i mention ed above with xen 4
14:00<helpme>gdm not loading
14:01<helpme>i think this will fix it
14:01<helpme>but donot know how to patch it
14:01<helpme>it may be realted to drm.kms ttk
14:03<jhutchins_lt>xen's website should have instructions on how to patch the kernel, but I think debian may have pre-patched kernels available.
14:04<jhutchins_lt>aptitude search xen
14:05<helpme>Linux 2.6.32-5-xen-686
14:05<helpme>i having this kernel
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14:07<lau>hello I set my /etc/apt/preferences like this
14:08<helpme>there is any distro with xen ??
14:08<helpme>my all attempts failed to install xen older or new
14:08<lau>but apt-cache policy still returns the lenny version
14:09<jhutchins_lt>,versions lxc
14:09<judd>lxc -- squeeze: 0.6.5-1; sid: 0.7.1-1
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14:09<lau>hello judd yes I would like to stay with 0.6.5-1
14:10<lau>but any aptitude full-upgrade tries to upgrade to 0.7.1-1
14:10<lau>if I replace release a=lenny
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14:11<lau>by version 0.6.5-1 the same behaviour occurs
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14:14<lau> <- judd are you thinking about that ?
14:14<helpme>vm knoppix can be installe do Hard drive ?
14:14<helpme>or xenlive cd ?
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14:17<retrospectacus>helpme: this is debian support.
14:18<Mortvert>isn't there !knoppix ?
14:18<helpme>yes i have debain installe d ,
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14:18<helpme>but not able to get support : (
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14:21<helpme>knoppix?is installableon hard drive ?withxen /
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14:22<jhutchins>helpme: How would we know? This is #debian, not #knoppix.
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14:23<retrospectacus>helpme: from what tiny amount I know of xen and knoppix, I would say yes, you can install knoppix in a xen VM environment
14:24<retrospectacus>helpme: is there a specific problem you are having that has something to do with Debian, rather than xen or knoppix?
14:24<helpme>i installed xen 3.2 and the related kernel
14:25<helpme>but it stops saying not enoughmemmory to re locate the dom0 kernel
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14:25<helpme>than i installed all requirement for xen 4 and ker 2.6.32-5
14:25<helpme>its booted and ends ,gdm not starting
14:25<helpme>i looked in google ,it may be drm issue
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14:26<helpme>but don know how to patch konrad kms fixes 3
14:26<helpme>but if there is another way around
14:26<Mortvert>i wonder how long the KDE will be installing
14:26<helpme>install kdm ?
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14:27<retrospectacus>helpme: how much RAM do you have?
14:27<helpme>or other display mnaager ,or it realed with any xog server version and xen 4 ?
14:27<helpme>i have 1.5 gb
14:28<helpme>i given 1024 for dom 0
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14:29<helpme>i had in nov 2008 xen installed in debian e asily ,may be that is 3.2
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14:32<retrospectacus>helpme: I don't know...I would ask in #xen on freenode
14:33<retrospectacus>actually, #debian-xen here on oftc
14:33<helpme>the room here in xen?is debain xen ?
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14:34<retrospectacus>there is a small #debian-xen here, and there is a big #xen on freenode
14:34<helpme>ah okay
14:34<retrospectacus>there is also a #xen here
14:34<helpme>hats why i amthinking why not anyone responding
14:35<retrospectacus>usually means no one knows
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14:36<helpme>i look there
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14:47<elikem>i live at 28 tams drive
14:48<Mortvert>how long can configuration of kde take?
14:48<Mortvert>since i'm installing it
14:48<retrospectacus>elikem: I think you are in the wrong channel
14:48<elikem>no i,m not sexy boy
14:49<retrospectacus>Mortvert. that would depend on many things. You can let us know how long it took you if you like
14:49<Mortvert>started it like at 19:30
14:49<Mortvert>now it's 20:49
14:49<Mortvert>and still going on
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14:49<elikem>wanna have sex
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14:53<opticon>can someone help me find guide to mount partitions and keep mounted even after reboot on debian 5
14:54<koollman>opticon: man fstab
14:54<craigevil>opticon: if the config in your fstab is correct then your partitions should automount when you boot
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15:00<opticon>i just used clonzilla cloned my debian install to new disk with far more space booted debian used gpart to create partition for unused space left on disk /dev/sda3 should that be added to the fstab config file?
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15:01<jordanm>opticon: if you want it automounted, yes
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15:02<opticon>ok looking at it now seems straight forward
15:04<opticon>should it also have a mount point within the root filesystem intend to use it for storing data
15:04<Mortvert>how do i start kde or x server?
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15:05<dr|z3d>Mortvert: startx
15:05<dr|z3d>That will launch your default DE>
15:06<Mortvert>won't work
15:06<Mortvert>since i installed xorg-server
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15:07<Mortvert>Fatal server error:
15:07<Mortvert>xf86OpenConsole: Cannot open /dev/tty0 (No such file or directory)
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15:08<dr|z3d>Mortvert: try mount -a as root and then startx again.
15:08<Mortvert>Fatal server error:
15:08<Mortvert>Server is already active for display 0
15:08<Mortvert> If this server is no longer running, remove /tmp/.X0-lock
15:08<Mortvert> and start again.
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15:09<dr|z3d>And learn to use pastebin.
15:09<Mortvert>i use Xorg instead - startx goves errpr
15:09<dr|z3d>So.. do you have another x session active?
15:09<dr|z3d>If not, have you followed the error message advice?
15:09<Mortvert>first one had given me the error
15:10<dr|z3d>You never answered my question.
15:10<dr|z3d>Did you follow the advice?
15:10<dr|z3d>Did you delete the lock file?
15:11<dr|z3d>Well, how about you do that, sparky.
15:11<Mortvert>that was wrong console ._.
15:11<Mortvert>what i'm getting is thing in pastebin
15:11<dr|z3d>Try deleting the lock file, in any event.
15:12<Mortvert>the lock error was MY pc
15:12<Mortvert>the one i'm getting is a remote pc
15:12<dr|z3d>So how are you trying to startx? Via ssh?
15:12<Mortvert>yes :3
15:12<Mortvert>i'm 'trying' to set up vnc there
15:12<dr|z3d>Well, there you go.. that won't work.
15:13<Mortvert>then how?
15:13<dr|z3d>ssh doesn't directly support X.
15:13<Mortvert>that i know
15:13<dr|z3d>install vnc, start it, then login remotely.
15:14<dr|z3d>aptitude install tightvncserver; tightvnvserver then connect ip:1 or whatever.
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15:14<Mortvert>but i have x11vnc installed ;3
15:14<dr|z3d>then start x11vnc as root.
15:15<Mortvert>*** x11vnc was unable to open the X DISPLAY: ":0", it cannot continue.
15:15<Mortvert>*** There may be "Xlib:" error messages above with details about the failure.
15:15<Mortvert>it's looping then
15:16<Mortvert>can't start x or vnc
15:16<qq->Mortvert, ":0" ? why , dr|z3d> said ip:1
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15:16<Mortvert>qq- mu?
15:17<qq->Mortvert, start vnc as user
15:17<Mortvert>the only user atm is root. so brb, running adduser
15:17<jhutchins>Mortvert:X doesn't have to be running on the remote for it to forward X programs.
15:18<jhutchins>Mortvert: Try restaring the remote display manager.
15:18<dr|z3d>Mortvert: tightvncserver is probably easier for you..
15:18<dr|z3d>qq-: x11vnc requires root.
15:19<qq->maybe, but tightvncserver no
15:19<dr|z3d>Mortvert: That error suggests there's no existing X session running.
15:19<opticon>heres what my fstab looks like did i add /dev/sda3 right so far?
15:19<dr|z3d>qq-: Nope, no root needed for tightvncserver; root _definitely_ needed for x11vnc, and he was running the latter.
15:20<Mortvert>dr|z3d - and i can't start X session
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15:20<Mortvert>since it errors
15:21<jhutchins>Mortvert: Have you looked for a guide on running vnc?
15:21<qq->Mortvert, rooot can't enter X by dafault ,...
15:21<jhutchins>Mortvert: You seem very confused about what is required and how to go about it.
15:21<dr|z3d>Mortvert: with x11vnc, no.. if you use tightvncserver, you'll probably find you can at least get a session up.
15:21<dpkg>[vnc] Virtual Network Computing, a platform-independent graphical desktop sharing system (i.e. provides GUI remote access). Server packages in Debian include tightvncserver, vnc4server and x11vnc; "apt-cache search vnc" will turn up many more. Ask me about <vnc setup>, see also <x-not-vnc> for an alternative.
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15:22<Mortvert>can't start terminal
15:23<qq->what terminal, since you'r in console ?
15:23<Mortvert>i am not
15:23<Mortvert>this is running gnome
15:23<Mortvert>the remote session isn't
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15:34<opticon>well got that other partition mounted during boot but for some reason i cant access it
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15:37<Torsten_W>opticon, man chown; man chmod
15:37<Mortvert>Tightvnc works!
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15:43<opticon>ok now i can access it
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15:49<jhutchins>Torsten_W: Actually, he needs to set it up correctly in his fstab so it mounts with the proper permissions.
15:50<jhutchins>opticon: man fstab.
15:50<Torsten_W>jhutchins, no
15:50<Torsten_W>jhutchins, its a linux fs, so defaults is right
15:50<Torsten_W>hugoxrosa, linux-fs == linux-rights
15:50<Torsten_W>its easy
15:52<opticon>something else needs to be added?
15:52<opticon>to fstab
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15:53<Mortvert>what was the command to update aptitude list?
15:53<Mortvert>aptitude update?
15:54<Torsten_W>opticon, no
15:54<Aleric>I want to execute ssh to login into a remote shell, and then execute a command (change directory).. I did it before so it's possible :/. Now trying: echo "cd /bin | ssh host1", but that returns as soon as it logged in and I want it to stay open and give me a command line :/
15:54<Aleric>echo "cd /bin" | ssh host1
15:55<jordanm>Aleric: ssh host1 cd /bin
15:55<jordanm>but the expected behavior is what you described, the connection is ended after the command is executed
15:55<Aleric>as is yours
15:56<opticon>their is something i was wondering about what would happen if i changed options for fstab on /dev/sda3 to rw,user instead of defaults
15:56<jordanm>Aleric: I don't see the value in this. what are you trying to do?
15:56<retrospectacus>Aleric: just ssh host1 and then cd /bin when you are there
15:57<Aleric>Exactly what I say :/ ... That is, when I reboot this machine, I want it to open a gnome-terminal with an ssh session into a remote host at a given directory on the remote host.
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15:57*jordanm can't think of many "proper" things to do from /bin
15:58<jordanm>Aleric: and this accomplishes what goal?
15:58<Aleric>retrospectacus: that is not a solution. As I said, I did it before... it's just that I reinstalled debian on this machine and I lost my bash history from which I could have seen what I did :/
15:58<jordanm>what is the purpose of this stuff?
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15:58<retrospectacus>you could put cd /bin at the end of your .bashrc I think
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15:58<Aleric>The purpose is that I don't have to type cd /very/long/path every time.
15:58<Aleric>It isn't /bin, of course :p
15:58<Torsten_W>opticon, it would not help
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15:59<jordanm>Aleric: add cd foo to your ~/.bashrc on the remote host
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15:59<Torsten_W>opticon, read the manpage, what options behind defaults
15:59<retrospectacus>or change the user's home
15:59<Aleric>No that doesn't cut it... I need the directory to be different in different cases.
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16:00<jordanm>Aleric: why is that? and why won't you just describe what you are really doing this for?
16:00<Aleric>I did
16:00<jordanm>whenever someone is doing something really odd such as this, I like to determine if it is an "xy" problem
16:00<dpkg>[xyproblem] People often falsely diagnose problems because they are looking too closely at a problem: they have got stuck at a particular point (Y) doing something (X) and so ask about step Y, not realising that there is an easier or better way to do X in the first place. See or
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16:01<jordanm>Aleric: you have only told me about "Y", not "X"
16:01<retrospectacus>Aleric: $ ssh -t host "cd /tmp; bash"
16:01<Aleric>Ok... I'll give you the full story :p
16:02<retrospectacus>Aleric: you want a desktop shortcut to user@host:/some/path
16:02<retrospectacus>above is your solution
16:05<Aleric>I have three monitors, the middle one and the left one are a dual head setup on my work horse. The right one belongs to a machine that I'll use to dual boot between debian and windows XP (unfortunately I need to do tests on windows). I use that right monitor mostly for a few terminals that actually log into my machine machine (the one of the middle and left monitor). The directory that those terminals are in is very important because I use
16:05<Aleric>cdeh (directory dependent environment and history switching). So, given that I reboot that machine often, I don't want to have to type ANY character unnecessary twice: it want to have all terminals opened and logged in and in the (remote) directory that they should be in, so that I can just hit arrow up to get the last command in that terminal and repeat it.
16:05<Aleric>s/machine machine/main machine/
16:05<Mortvert>how i can close a screen in terminal?
16:06<retrospectacus>Mortvert: what's
16:06<retrospectacus>"a screen"
16:06<Mortvert>type that in terminal
16:06<Mortvert>it'll open a session
16:06<retrospectacus>exit all programs running in the screen
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16:07<retrospectacus>default is bash, just do Ctrl-D or logout or exit
16:07<qq->man screen
16:07<retrospectacus>there is a keystroke for it ...Ctrl-A, X perhaps
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16:08<Mortvert>and if i log-out at tightvnc
16:08<Mortvert>how i can re-log if i see black screen?
16:08<jordanm>its C-a C-d to detach
16:09<Mortvert>i now
16:09<Mortvert>i know how to detach
16:09<Aleric> <retrospectacus> Aleric: $ ssh -t host "cd /tmp; bash" <-- not working
16:09<Mortvert>i've installed tightvnc and logged out - how i can relog?
16:09<jordanm>Mortvert: then like retrospectacus said, kill all the applications running in screen (eg. "exit" in bash)
16:09<Mortvert>jordanm - figured it out
16:09<jordanm>Aleric: works for me
16:10<Mortvert>now i'm asking for tightvncserver
16:10<retrospectacus>Aleric: how's it not work?
16:10<jordanm>Aleric: you did replace "host" with your remote host?
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16:10<Aleric>retrospectacus: it 'hangs', you don't get a prompt. I think that bash doesn't see a tty
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16:11<retrospectacus>perhaps ssh -tt host "cd /place/; bash"
16:12*jordanm just tried it on 3 debian boxes and RHEL4 box, all working
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16:13<Aleric>Oh, sorry - I had forgotten the -t
16:13<retrospectacus>ah yes... forces tty allocation
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16:15<faheemfayyaz>any one there
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16:15<SQlvpapir>I've been considering creating bogus packages for say rhytmbox. I dont want the software but I prefer having the full gnome desktop and "opt out" instead. so I'd create a package with high version number so it never gets overwritten, and I can be free of a) the package b) the dependencies. sounds insane? then tell me a better way to do it
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16:17<Aleric>Perfect! The final command that I needed is: gnome-terminal --geometry +0-0 -e "ssh -t hikaru 'cd /usr/src/secondlife/secondlife/snowglobe/snowglobe-svn/indra/viewer-linux-x86_64-debug/newview; exec bash'"
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16:17<retrospectacus>Aleric: very nice
16:17<retrospectacus>you could also make a symlink to that crazy path
16:18<retrospectacus>~$ ln -s /usr/src/secondlife/secondlife/snowglobe/snowglobe-svn/indra/viewer-linux-x86_64-debug/newview newview
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16:18<qq->SQlvpapir, try #mentor
16:19<SQlvpapir>qq-, well its not really in the scope of debian-mentors channel
16:20<SQlvpapir>I guess I'll just jump in both feet. I know how to do it, just looking for a better solution before I trap myself :)
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16:30<bremner>SQlvpapir: see package equivs
16:31<SQlvpapir>bremner, thats brilliant!
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16:32<SQlvpapir>13 years old package :) thanks for the tip!
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16:34<Aleric>Is there a package with a LOT of icons? :/ I need an icon for a 'mixer', but the number of icons I can choose from is minimal :/ (gnome)
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16:38<craigevil>Aleric: aptitude search icon, there are quite a few gnome icon packages
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16:39<retrospectacus>Aleric: there are lots at umm or something like that
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16:41<Garp>Question: I would (really) like to have Gimp 2.6 on my Lenny. Seems it's not in the backports; trying to ap-get it from testing creates lots of unresolvables dependencies; I've seen some ppl mentionning recompilation, but if I can avoid it I'll... What its the simpliest way? Thanks.
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16:43<kop>Garp: You can't mix packages from testing on lenny. That will break things. The simplest way is to wait for backports, or upgrade to squeeze.
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16:43<dkr>!tell Garp about ssb
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16:43<Garp>Thanks kop and drk. Semms I'll have to recompile :)
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16:44<SQlvpapir>Garp, if can try to do it in pbuilder to spare you system all sorts of weird packages
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16:46<Garp>SQlvpapir :hanks I'll have a mlook.
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16:59<jhutchins_lt>,versions gimp
16:59<judd>gimp -- etch: 2.2.13-1etch4; etch-security: 2.2.13-1etch4; lenny: 2.4.7-1; sid: 2.6.8-3+b1; squeeze: 2.6.8-3+b1
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17:53<Garp>Question: is it possible to apt-get install a .deb file ? Thanks.
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17:54<automatical>Garp: dpkg -i file.deb
17:55<Garp>automatical: dpkg wont check dependency (well, it cries *after*) even less fetch them and install them before installing my .deb.
17:55<automatical>try "apt-get -f install" afterwards
17:55<automatical>if the dependencies are available it will install the package, otherwise, it will uninstall the package :)
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17:56<Garp>automatical: thnks, will see taht tomorow
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17:56<Garp>see ya everybody :)
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18:09<jerryclunsford>I have debian lenny stable am running ice weasel and epiphany web browsers. I have javascript plugin installed and enabled but javascript does not work.
18:10<weasel>call your browser by its correct name. thanks.
18:10<Nemoder>jerryclunsford: do you mean java applet?
18:10<jerryclunsford>"Correct name"?
18:11<Nemoder>javascript is built into the browser, only java needs a plugin to run applets
18:11<jerryclunsford>web javascript like pop up menus when you mouse over them don't display
18:13<retrospectacus>do you have an "error console" in the tools menu?
18:13<retrospectacus>in iceweasel
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18:15<retrospectacus>perhaps you have disabled javascript in the prefs
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18:16<jerryclunsford>already check that enabled in both browsers
18:16<retrospectacus>also there is no javascript "plugin" as you mentioned. perhaps you installed a plugin that disables javascript
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18:18<jerryclunsford>it is listed in the synaptic package manager
18:18<jerryclunsford>and it is what I used to correct this problem on my lenny amd 64 machine
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18:19<jerryclunsford>what do I look for in the error console?
18:20<acx0>whenever I run aptitude update, I get a bunch of 'Ign's and after each source it says "Translation-en_CA" do I need this? can I remove it?
18:21<retrospectacus>jerryclunsford: errors that may help you (us)
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18:21<jerryclunsford>well it shows no errors lots of warnings
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18:23<retrospectacus>jerryclunsford: what is "it" called in the package manager?
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18:23<jerryclunsford>Unknown property 'zoom', Unknown property 'border radius', and it says declaration dropped after each
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18:24<retrospectacus>those are fine
18:24<retrospectacus>that is for java, not javascript
18:24<Nemoder>jerryclunsford: it sounds like javascript is working fine and it's just the site(s) you are browsing that have problems
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18:26<jerryclunsford>well I probably agree with you but on my lenny amd 64 machine they work fine.
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18:30<jerryclunsford>last night someone said that javascipt might be disable in the add-ons. I don't see it in the add-ons on the computer that doesn't work properly or the one that does.
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18:31<Nemoder>no it would be under edit/preferences/content
18:31<retrospectacus>compare the url "about:plugins" in iceweasel on both boxs
18:31<Nemoder>javascript isn't a plugin or add-on, it's built into the browser
18:32<dreamer000>if I need headers for alsa compilation: make oldconfig && make-kpkg kernel_headers? Is this right? Or did I miss too much?
18:32<retrospectacus>I suspect he may mean java not javascript
18:33<retrospectacus>dreamer000: apt-get install linux-headers-<your kernel version>
18:33<retrospectacus>eg linux-headers-2.6.30-2-686
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18:35<dreamer000>./configure complains that there is still missing somehting
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18:36<retrospectacus>missing what?
18:36<Nemoder>maybe libasound2-dev
18:36<retrospectacus>you'll need to apt-get install whatever-dev
18:36<dreamer000>"INCLUDE_VERSION_H does not exist"
18:37<retrospectacus>I dunno about that one
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18:39<Legostrat>for some reason, when i plug in my ethernet to my macbook, with squeeze installed on it, no connection is established
18:39<Nemoder>dreamer000: you might try make-kpkg modules_image
18:39<jerryclunsford>Java or javascript I tought it was javascript that websites usually ran so I assumed it was that. the website is if looking at will help any.
18:40<Nemoder>jerryclunsford: the menus are javascript though there is flash content there too
18:40<jerryclunsford>in the menus?
18:40<Nemoder>no just in the center
18:41<retrospectacus>ths lideshow thing is flash, the menus are JS
18:41<Nemoder>the menus should work without flash
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18:42<Nemoder>jerryclunsford: in edit/preferences/content to the right of the 'enable javascript' box there is 'advanced', see if those options match up to the other machine
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18:44<Legostrat>got any ideas why my ethernet wouldn't be working?
18:44<jerryclunsford>advanced settings are the same
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18:45<Nemoder>Legostrat: missconfigured? check /sbin/ifconfig output
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18:45<Legostrat>says there's no such file or directory
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19:01<jerryclunsford>well tank o for your help I guess for now I'll have to access the website on the amd64 box and type the data into the other.
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19:02<jerryclunsford>looks like I've been up too long should be thank you for your help.
19:02<dpkg>hmm... am is an abbreviation for Armenia, or Application Manager, or
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19:09<ebrahim>is debhelper a bot?
19:09<ebrahim>debhelper, are you bot?
19:09<ebrahim>what are commands of debhelper?
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19:12<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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19:14<retrospectacus>ebrahim: I think debhelper is something that helps the channel ops to do op things but be regular users other times
19:15<ebrahim>retrospectacus, what about judd? what are his commands?
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19:55<dreamer000>Nemoder: doesn't work. :-( Seems before that I had to do something to the whole tree.
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20:00<NotSoSneaky1>anyone on here willing to help a newb to linux?
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20:06<sof>can you upgrade from lenny to squeeze?
20:06<retrospectacus>sof: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze
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20:12<sof>so is that the package i need to down load?
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20:23<dreamer000> Can anyone confirm that there is only this long way with a recent kernel?
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20:24<chealer>sof: what does "that" refer to?
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20:25<dreamer000>It means i have to recompile/configure the whole kernel to get the alsa drivers compiled.
20:27<sof>how do upgrade from lenny to squeexe?
20:27<chealer>retrospectacus: did you see the lenny->squeeze factoid?
20:28<chealer>dreamer000: you shouldn't have to compile Linux for ALSA
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20:29<chealer>sorry retrospectacus
20:29<chealer>sof: did you see the lenny->squeeze factoid?
20:29<chealer>!tell sof about lenny->squeeze
20:31<dreamer000>I need to do something to the headers and/or source. Don't know where to go on. With m-a no luck because the driver/firmware/configuration for my card isn't included in source of distribution.
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20:33<gsimmons>dreamer000: What audio device do you have?
20:34<dreamer000>I have an EMU1616. Don't know whether it could do the trick if I just took the source-tarball from alsa instead of the one included in distribution, because that did run fine with m-a
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20:51<gsimmons>dreamer000: AIUI, E-MU 1616 and E-MU 1616m devices are supported by ALSA since 1.0.15. These appear to require firmware from userspace (emu/{emu1010b.fw,micro_dock.fw}), which you can acquire via the alsa-firmware tarball.
20:55<dreamer000>yes of course i've done this before. But with modules from alsa-source, no luck. And with ./configure of alsa-tarball there are problems with headers and also source. Before it worked.
20:56<craigevil>you arent creating a kernel module, just unpack the tarball and put the firmware in /lib/firmware
20:57<gsimmons>dreamer000: To clarify, you shouldn't be required to compile drivers; just supply the relevant firmware for use by snd-emu10k1, then reload this driver.
20:57<dreamer000>Anyway it tries to load audigy firmware.
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21:37<dreamer000>Ok, you were right. Just installing the firmware now works.
21:44<dreamer000>Thanks for help.
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22:53<legostrat>anybody here got squeeze installed on a macbook 2,1?
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22:57<legostrat>anybody know when ryan22 usually gets on?
22:57<legostrat>or if he's a regular here?
22:57<legostrat>I know he's got a macbook with squeeze on it
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22:58<legostrat>gotta go
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23:00<nilla>I need help! :O
23:01<nilla>I am trying to generate a file using Bash. The file is supposed to have a single line of code, repeated over and over again, and in each instance, replace a single variable with a filename from a folder.
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23:03<nilla>...hello? This place is silent.
23:03<brunner-home>In the opinion of the people here, what's the most secure httpd?
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23:32<Pryon>brunner-home: The one that's not running
23:33<Pryon>(only mostly joking)
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23:46<qq->nilla, as in spammer that tried random users/password/ for enter in pc ?
23:47<qq-> spammer's code*
23:47<nilla>No, as in a program to increase the number of smilies on my website without me doing it manually.
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23:54<qq->nilla, maybe ask in #bash on
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