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00:49<gcasella>Good Evening everyone, I have a very simple question that has been impossible to resolve by looking on the Internet. I currently have Debian Squeeze installed and I am trying to install Xen Virtualization software. I install all of the necessary packages using apt-get and boot into the newly added Kernel but whenever I try to issue the command "xm list" I continuously get the error that xend has not be started, I attempt to sta
00:49<gcasella>rt it manually but it just doesn't want to start, has anyone attempted to get Xen Virtualization to work with Debian Squeeze?
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00:50<sney>gcasella: you might have more luck in #debian-xen
00:51<gcasella>Oh perfect, thanks for the specific channel, didn't know there was one that was xen specific :)
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01:18<tke1384>I'm trying to make the switch from Fedora/Redhat that I've been using since 2002 to debian. I have a raid array that I had formated in my fedora system that I can't seem to locate under /dev. There are no drives for it that I know of and it's motherbord hardware raid. Can anyone point me in the right direction? I'm not finding much to help from Google
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01:19<sney>there's probably a module that you need that isn't loaded
01:19<tke1384>that's what I'm guessing too
01:20<tke1384>I installed from network install so only what I requested got installed
01:20<sney> look on here for your raid controller
01:20<jm_>tke1384: which raid controller is it then?
01:20<tke1384>I searched for the word raid in dselect and md but didn't find anything
01:20<jm_>motherboard raid sounds like dmraid is needed
01:21<sney>md is for software raid, dselect is not relevant to hardware really
01:21<sney>and yes it's probably dmraid
01:21<tke1384>OK thanks I'll download and install that and see if that helps
01:21<dpkg>[fakeraid] a term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS. For use with Debian systems, it is suggested that you do not set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID instead; ask me about <md>.
01:21<tke1384>thanks jm
01:21<jm_>try that
01:22<tke1384>yeah I read that too but I was hoping since it worked in fedora it would work here. I formated it in fedora over a year agoe and can't loose the data
01:23<tke1384>dpkg: what should I know about <md>?
01:23<dpkg>i don't know, tke1384
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01:23<sney>tke1384: do /msg dkpg md, but md is not how you're going to access your data
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01:26<jm_>yeah it shall work fine, dmraid has discovery option
01:26<C3mDigiTal>First lenny install and having root password problems connecting to mysql-server on nginx
01:27<tke1384>yeah I saw that but was worried it might not work because it says it's for software raid but hay it's worth a shot
01:27<jm_>motherboard raid is foten called software raid, a bit confusing
01:27<jm_>a better term is fakeraid I guess
01:27<sney>C3mDigiTal: wha-buh-wha? slow down, one problem at a time
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01:29<C3mDigiTal>Ok I have nginx running fine, php-fastcgi running fine, mysql-server won't let me connect using the password I set when I installed it
01:30<C3mDigiTal>I ran mysqld --skip-grant-tables --skip-networking
01:30<sney>dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server should let you reset the password, I think
01:30<C3mDigiTal>sney tried that still can't connect
01:30<C3mDigiTal>tried UPDATE user SET password=PASSWORD('yourrootpassword') WHERE User="root" AND Host="localhost";
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01:30<C3mDigiTal>still can't connect
01:31<C3mDigiTal>but I can connect using the debian-sys-maint user
01:31<sney>generally mysql frowns on using the root user to mangle the database
01:31<sney>you should have a regular db user for web applications and such
01:31<C3mDigiTal>but it won't let me grant priveliges to a new user or add a user to a db
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01:32<C3mDigiTal>I can't create a regular user without root password
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01:32<sney>did you use dbconfig to set any of this up?
01:32<C3mDigiTal>set up via: apt-get install mysql mysql-server
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01:33<sney>yeah, and when you install some sql stuff, debconf asks you if you want to use dbconfig to set it up
01:33<sney>and dbconfig can break things, so I'm asking if you said yes
01:33<C3mDigiTal>it didn't give me that option
01:34<C3mDigiTal>it did come up with a blue screen and asked to enter a password for root
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01:34<C3mDigiTal>but the password I entered won't let me connect
01:35<pavi>can a Vfat file system on a USB drive become read only automatically with the help of wget ? ( is it a bug ? )
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01:38<mantra>help, iceweasel flash stopped working, im on squeeze
01:39<mantra>the plugin says its not supported on amd64 anymore?
01:39<mantra>i dont know what to do now
01:39<craigevil>mantra: there is no 64bit adobe flash
01:39<mantra>adobe stopped making it?
01:39<mantra>i cant wait for html5 ......
01:39<craigevil>mantra: take a look at
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01:40<mantra>so do I need to do ndispluginwrapper, or is there a package i can install?
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01:41<mantra>gecko-mediaplayer says it supports flash, but youtube doesnt work
01:41<jm_>pavi: did you check dmesg output?
01:41<pavi>jm_ nopes will do
01:42<pavi>jm_, oh yeah its bad.. real bad
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01:42<jm_>mantra: yeah if it will work, alternative might be gnash but it often doesn't work
01:43<tke1384>pavi: I tried forever to get flash going with ndispluginwrapper and didn't have any luck
01:43<tke1384>if you figure it out let me know
01:43<pavi>I recently made a mkfs.vfat on the partition after using fdisk to create partitions
01:43<tke1384>I'm in the same boat
01:43<jm_>pavi: yup
01:43<pavi>tke1384, did you mean mantra ?
01:43<jm_>yeah same here, nspluginwrapper just crashed
01:44<tke1384>pavi: you're right sorry
01:44*pavi uses gnash the free flash implementation :)
01:44<tke1384>doesn't work for
01:44<jm_>the problem is I do have last 64bit flash release but it's crap too :)
01:44<pavi>support at #gnash of freenode
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01:45<pavi>jm_, should I again do mkfs ?
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01:46<jm_>pavi: maybe try to check the first error first
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01:47<moldovean>pavi, the link don't work , it stop here at 0% [ ] 198,376 --.-K/s
01:48<pavi>moldovean, this one ?
01:48<mantra>so I have to use gnash now? :(
01:48<mantra>wow, adobe sucks
01:48<tke1384>jm_: dmraid is able to see the raid array so now I just have to get it mounted. Thanks for the help
01:48<mantra>windoze still has 64 bit support
01:48<pavi>all it says is FAT: Filesystem error (dev sdc1)[ 3432.161820] clusters badly computed (8049 != 8037)
01:48<tke1384>mantra: I've been trying to get the wrapper to work for a while, if you figure it out let me know
01:48<pavi>mantra, youtube works in gnash :)
01:49<moldovean>pavi, that's nothing to do with your fat drive
01:49<pavi>moldovean, why ?
01:49<moldovean>i tested on real hard drive here
01:49<pavi>moldovean, sdc is my pen drive
01:49<mantra>ok well if youube works then thats pretty much most of what i need
01:50<pavi>I mean USB drive ..
01:50<moldovean>pavi, the site is down
01:50<mantra>i guess i might have to torrent shows again tho
01:50<pavi>mantra, there is one catch . cookies from should be disabled
01:50<jm_>tke1384: no worries
01:51<pavi>^ that issue is only for some builds .. very recent builds ( according to #gnash) work perfectly
01:51<pavi>moldovean, ahh ok .. you meant the one I was wgetting ?
01:51<jm_>i use google-chrome or clive for youtube
01:51<moldovean>pavi, or a wick site , yes
01:51<mantra>the plugin isnt working...
01:52<jm_>apparently opera has its own way of using a 32bit flash plugin but it doesn't quite work for me
01:52<pavi>moldovean, lol they have screwed up debian to make a distro for Indian govt officials
01:52<mantra>i had to sign out
01:52<moldovean>pavi, maybe torrent will do , not tried
01:52<mantra>wait actually it aint working
01:52<mantra>gnash SUCKS
01:52<pavi>moldovean, here is that great distro
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01:52<pavi>mantra, nopes gnash works .
01:53<pavi>mantra, patiently go to cookies in your settings . delete existing cookies.
01:53<pavi>set settings to never accept cookies . it WILL work
01:53<mantra>oh i had to grab mozilla-plugin-gnash
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01:53<pavi>^lol install gnash first :P
01:54<craigevil>try using iceweasel from sid, nspluginwrapper works ok in firefox 3.6.6
01:54<moldovean>pavi, hehe Kernel 2.6.22-3-486 is the latest version of BOSS ...
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01:54<mantra>ok it aint working
01:54<pavi>moldovean, Yeah .. and that they are going to show to govt
01:55<mantra>youtube videos say "an error occured
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01:55<mantra>internet with no youtube is hell
01:55<pavi>mantra, Yeah I also get the same error if youtube cookies are present
01:55<moldovean>pavi, they are retarded or project is dead ..
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01:55<pavi>moldovean, all Indian LUG's keep on bashing that distro :D
01:56<moldovean>pavi, then lugs too
01:56<pavi>But I am looking with a positive spirit to download ( from their stupid slow FTP ) and test and higlight problems to them with a hope that they will improve
01:57<pavi>moldovean, the most important thing is that distro is going to end up in many Govt offices :(
01:57<mantra>k i got it working :)
01:57<moldovean>pavi, how do you know ?
01:57<pavi>moldovean, Well I am quite active in Indian lugs ;)
01:58<pavi>mantra, cool .. you have succesfully got rid of one propreitary component ( adobes flash) :D
01:58<moldovean>pavi, well try , it seems to work ..
01:59<pavi>moldovean, ok will try
01:59<moldovean>but no , it stopid at 217,200
02:00<moldovean>so a mirror issue , at least ..
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02:03<tke1384>jm_: yippie there's all my stuff! got it mounted
02:04<tke1384>not sure how I'm feeling about Debian so far. Everything is much more fussy
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02:06<moldovean>pavi, anyways it seems that project is distributed an etch variant , witch is obsolete even in debian
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02:06<moldovean> which *
02:06<pavi>moldovean, there are ignorant and arrogant govt folks .. whom sometimes I feel like educating ;)
02:07<pavi>They have got some 4 million or so funding from Indian govt for that stupid distro
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02:08<moldovean>pavi, tell them to stop using an vulnerably system for now, especial in education
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02:09<pavi>moldovean, Yeah .. but for now.. I am going to call them to get that distro mailed to house ;)
02:10<moldovean>pavi, just do youe self debian-live squeeze system (in indian) and it will be much clean ..
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02:11<moldovean>s/ youe/ your
02:11<pavi>moldovean, lol I am happy with debian as it is .. but I am concerned about the future usage of the distro in Govt offices
02:11<moldovean>pavi, no, don't do that
02:11<pavi>do what ?
02:12<moldovean> call them ..
02:12<pavi>moldovean, you wont believe it .. its funny but they have BOSS support centres in 4 places around the country
02:13<pavi>The support centres will help us :) .
02:13<pavi>More or less they will be mailing dvd's for those who ask
02:13<moldovean>that's stupid ..
02:14<moldovean>pavi, anyways not a debian issue ..
02:14<pavi>look at the amount of public money they are spending for it .. unfortunately they are using debian's name
02:14<pavi>They say the distro is based on debian
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02:15<moldovean>pavi, see #debian-ubuntu too
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02:53<neo>hay aguien
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02:54<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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03:07<RichiH>what does exit code 137 mean?
03:07<RichiH>i get "[(status)] [1] 6933 killed irssi" and exit code 137
03:07<RichiH>several times, now
03:07<RichiH>it usually holds out a day or two
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03:09<ichdasic1>RichiH: what does dmesg say? oom-killer? segfault? should find more info there.
03:09<jm_>RichiH: 137 is SIGKILL
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03:10<jm_>perhaps limits
03:10<RichiH>hmm yah, seems i am running into oom
03:10<RichiH>though _why_ is anyone's guess
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03:10<jm_>the joys of OOM killer logic :)
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03:12<jmm>hello #debian !
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03:15<nathan>yeah, when i wanna run my program written with libevent (on codeblocks), i get it : ./server_test: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. I've linked the libevent to my project by -levent in the 'linker settings'
03:16<nathan>nota : this file is located on my /usr/local/lib repository
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03:20<locklace>nathan: you should either have added /usr/local/lib to /etc/, have linked with the "-Wl,-rpath /usr/local/lib" option, or set your LD_LIBRARY_PATH environment variable to contain /usr/local/lib
03:21<locklace>not to mention that libevent shouldn't be in /usr/local/lib anyway since you should have installed the debian package for it
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03:22<____sgd>stupid question but what is the sense of raid 0?
03:22<____sgd>raid 1 are 2 identic disc that makes sense but raid0 havent a sense, havent ?
03:23<jm_>raid0 can be used to create a larger volume out of smaller disks
03:23<locklace>____sgd: performance and aggregation
03:23<____sgd>ah okay but it isnt secure?
03:24<locklace>it provides no redundancy, if that's what you mean
03:24<____sgd>yes that I mean. Thanks for the answers
03:25<____sgd>But an combination of raid 1 and 0 with 4 disks make sense? It's a combination of security and speed or
03:28<locklace>yes, it's called raid 1+0
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03:33<nathan>locklace, ok, i gonna try
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03:44<wishie>how do you get the UUID of a hard disk, to make sure the same drive is mounted in the same mountpoint each boot
03:44<wishie>blkid is showing the same UUID for 2 of my drives.. how is this possible
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03:53<____sgd>which is the best service for sharing files in a linux only domain? nfs, sambam sshfs?
03:54<cthuluh>dpkg: tell ____sgd about nfs
03:55<____sgd>network failure system :P
03:56<cthuluh>wishie: that's weird. try tune2fs -U (man tune2fs)
03:56<wishie>cthuluh: i unmounted/remounted all disks, and it seems to have updated now
03:57<____sgd>cthuluh, what is the best system for sharing files in network
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03:57<cthuluh>____sgd: depends on your needs.
03:58<____sgd>simple file sharing between 2 linux clients
03:58<cthuluh>the simplest solution is from far sshfs
03:58<cthuluh>NFS is a good solution, since NFSv4, IMHO
03:59<____sgd>which one is faster on Gigabit Ethernet
03:59<____sgd>problem solved :)
03:59<____sgd>speed is all
04:00<cthuluh>well, to be honest, I've never tried sshfs on a gigabit ethernet link. dunno if it changes something
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04:01<cthuluh>the "problem" with sshfs is that even if you don't use compression, there's encryption which slows down things
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04:02<____sgd>ftp is a choice to :P
04:02<locklace>only if it uses enough cpu to block i/o
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04:03<nathan>locklace, maybe you can help me again. When i wanna use the connect() command in
04:04<nathan>including socket.h
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04:04<nathan>the function still unknow for the compiler
04:05<locklace>you should ask your basic c questions somewhere else
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04:06<____sgd>Last Question. The German word public is "Öffentlich". Can an English System mount an ordner with "ö" in the name
04:06<cthuluh>nathan: read again the manpage
04:07<cthuluh>nathan: btw, you have a ##posix channel
04:07<nathan>cthuluh, what package i have to install to get this manpage?
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04:07<cthuluh>manpages-dev, I believe
04:08<cthuluh>nathan: trying to program C without manpages is... you know what I mean ;)
04:09<nathan>cthuluh, generally, when i wanna get more informations about function, i looking for man pages on web
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04:09<cthuluh>sounds horrible to me
04:09<Mido><newbie-question>When I install a package (.deb) with dpkg, how can I find/operate it? in short, where is it installed?
04:10<cthuluh>Mido: you'll find it in aptitude, like any other package
04:11<themill>Mido: /usr/share/doc/$package will have documentation, "dpkg -L $package" will have a list of files that are in the package, including the executables in /usr/bin (or similar) and the man pages.
04:11<jm_>if you want a list of files in a packages it's dpkg -L
04:11<Mido>Thanks people, appreciated!
04:13<themill>Mido: and as a rule, don't use dpkg -i on packages; aptitude install them instead.
04:13<Mido>why is that?
04:14<Mido>Well, actually I rarely succeeded in installing packages using dpkg!
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04:15<nathan>Mido, dependencies ?
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04:16<Mido>I'm unlucky with dependencies, as every package is depending on other, install one, it depends on x10 others, etc.
04:17<themill>Mido: that's precisely why -- and aptitude handles that for you. (that's the point of it)
04:18<Mido>Yeah, thanks for recommending it. apt-get is quite good for that too, if only it is found in the cache/the file not on the pc
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04:19<nathan>Someone know a channel where i can ask c question?
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04:20<cthuluh>nathan: as I said, if you want to talk about networking, ##posix is probably the chan you want. if you want to talk about C, there's... ##c
04:20<Str82DHeaD>locklace, are you here, dude?
04:20<themill>nathan: there's #C here and ##C on freenode.
04:20<cthuluh>networking in C*
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04:20<nathan>cthuluh, i know you said it but there is currently nobody on ##posix :)
04:21<Mido>Package installed successfully, thanks people!
04:21<se7en>i try this workaround I chmod +x. but i keep getting ERROR: must be root???? well I am
04:22<cthuluh>nathan: 55 nicks on ##posix
04:22<themill>cthuluh: different network, perhaps?
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04:22<nathan>cthuluh, yeah, on what network?
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04:23<cthuluh>themill: yes
04:23<cthuluh>nathan: freenode
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04:24*cthuluh -> coffee!
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04:25<dutchfish>hi, how can i grep the source from (i get xserver-xorg-video-ati_6.13.1-2.dsc failed while trying to grab it)?
04:26<nathan>cthuluh, thanks :)
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04:28<themill>dpkg: tell dutchfish about incoming
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04:28<dutchfish>themill+ and thanks
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04:30<themill>dutchfish: no worries.
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04:30<nathan>cthuluh, ##posix :Cannot send to channel, it's what i get when i wanna send something on ##posix chann
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04:32<themill>nathan: unfortunately, unregistered users are +q in there. On freenode, /msg nickserv help register
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04:33<____sgd>how to move a single picture in /dev/null?
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04:34<petemc>____sgd: do you mean how to delete a single picture?
04:35<____sgd>yeah is this possible. I havent worked with /dev/null before and now I make some tries
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04:36<petemc>____sgd: you can delete files with the rm command
04:36<____sgd>I know this
04:36<petemc>fantastic then
04:37<cthuluh>____sgd: you can't move "things" to /dev/null. you can only send data in it, or try to read from it
04:37<____sgd>I try to understand the sense of /dev/null :P
04:37<majkel>where i can find drivers for my notebook ?
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04:37<cthuluh>____sgd: man null :)
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04:38<____sgd>aha! I tried man /dev/null :P
04:39<cthuluh>majkel: what do you mean? please be more precise
04:39<____sgd>how to clear a text file with dev null
04:39<____sgd>cat info.txt >/dev/null ?
04:39<majkel>samsung r519
04:39<cthuluh>____sgd: cat < /dev/null > file
04:39<majkel>i am fresh on debian
04:39<cthuluh>but it's silly
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04:40<majkel>my last system is ubuntu but he make me suprise ;/
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04:40<cthuluh>majkel: well, does your system work?
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04:40<cthuluh>(did you install debian)
04:41<____sgd>You have to write some facts what dont work
04:41<____sgd>and on which hardware etc.
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04:42<cthuluh>majkel: so, if it works, who makes you think you need drivers? (btw, drivers are generally included in your kernel)
04:42<____sgd>cthuluh, whats the best way to delete the content of a text without delete it?
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04:42<elmariposaatlas__polilla>nomky stardiouchne
04:43<cthuluh>____sgd: echo foo > /dev/null # ?
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04:44<majkel>how i can install wifi ?
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04:45<cthuluh>majkel: you _really_ need to be more precise :)
04:45<____sgd>elmariposaatlas__polilla, No I have a textfile here with content hello world
04:45<____sgd>how to delete only the content without the file itself
04:45<majkel>when i write lspci i terminal show me : " Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01)" how i can connect wifi ?
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04:46<elmariposaatlas__polilla>oh....not ignorated me..
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04:46<____sgd>ah fuck wrong side :D
04:47<dpkg>well, !!!!! is "And all those exclamation marks, you notice? Five? A sure sign of someone who wears his underpants on his head." -- Terry Pratchett, Maskerade
04:47<cthuluh>majkel: ok
04:47<themill>!es-social elmariposaatlas__polilla
04:47<dpkg>elmariposaatlas__polilla: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
04:47<cthuluh>dpkg: tell majkel about AR9285
04:48<____sgd>I write cat info.txt >/dev/null, but it must be cat /dev/null > info.txt :P
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04:48<____sgd>shit happens ;)
04:48<cthuluh>____sgd: just "true > file" or ": > file" or, with bash, "> file"
04:49<smv>few months ago i decided that i should use the nvidia driver to get compiz working, but in time i got tired and now i was trying to get rid of it. uninstalled all packages related but can't get X to work with a normal resolution. what should i do?
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04:49<elmariposaatlas__polilla>eeeemmmmm....¿cómo pongo los símbolos de Alt + un número sin el teclado celular numérico?
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04:51<____sgd>cthuluh, sorry dont unterstand your post
04:51<elmariposaatlas__polilla>and my post?
04:51<cthuluh>elmariposaatlas__polilla: ¿ entiende castellano ? por favor, /join #debian-es
04:51<____sgd>elmariposaatlas__polilla, sorry overread you :P
04:51<cthuluh>____sgd: instead of running "cat /dev/null > file", you can run "true > file"
04:52<elmariposaatlas__polilla>i traduced in english this
04:52<____sgd>ah thanks :)
04:53<____sgd>very usefull, its much more shorter :P
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04:54<____sgd>elmariposaatlas__polilla, where are you from because of your nick
04:54<moldovean>elmariposaatlas__polilla, run this /nick elma , please
04:54<moldovean>____sgd, you too
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04:54<elmariposaatlas__polilla>how write the symbols whit Alt + a number without the celular key?
04:55<elmariposaatlas__polilla>and my nick is Atlas
04:55<____sgd>moldovean, I want to be sure that no on other used my nick already so I typed lot of _ before
04:55<moldovean>elmariposaatlas__polilla, i asked kindly something ..
04:56<elmariposaatlas__polilla>my nick is atlas:of the group violonchello "the Atlas moth"
04:56<moldovean>____sgd, now you know, go change it
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04:57<____sgd>moldovean, I know to change it, I normaly use irssi
04:57<____sgd>but you can tell me you to identify and register
04:57<moldovean>so prove it
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04:58<elmariposaatlas__polilla>what is your enquiry,moldovean?
04:58<smv>____sgd, /msg NickServ help register
04:58<moldovean>elmariposaatlas__polilla, stupid ppls ...
04:59<____sgd>REGISTER SGDynam0
04:59<elmariposaatlas__polilla>SORRY!!!IM SPANISH AND I DONT KNOW ALL WORDS IN ENGLISH!
05:00<smv>elmariposaatlas__polilla, your nick is too long. it uses 1/4 of my screen. it would be nice if you would change it to something shorter
05:00<elmariposaatlas__polilla>TELL ME Atlas
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05:01<elmariposaatlas__polilla>vaya con el nombre...
05:01<youthinkanickcouldntbelongerat>elmariposaatlas__polilla, for long nicks
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05:02<elmariposaatlas__polilla>eeemmmm.....your real name is paul...
05:02<moldovean>!ops elmariposaatlas__polilla
05:02<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: moldovean complains about: elmariposaatlas__polilla
05:02<sgd>I know
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05:03<themill>elmariposaatlas__polilla: /join #debian-es-cachondeo
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05:03<sgd>is debian available in german?
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05:03<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
05:03<sgd>ah :)
05:04<streuner__>sgd: d-i (debian-installer) is available in german
05:04<sgd>sorry i meant only the channel
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05:11<sgd>streuner__, you are german, right ?//klingt so
05:13<sgd>REGISTER SGDynam0
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05:14<Hydroxide>sgd: mayhap change that password anywhere you use it, now? :)
05:14<sgd>the first after register is the nickname or?
05:15<streuner__>sgd: just change the password now...
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05:15<sgd>I dont use this password , I thought it was the nick ^^
05:16<streuner__>in freenode or here?
05:17<streuner__>Do you want register your nick in freenode?
05:17<sgd>I want to register a nick with mail. I havent known that it takes the current nick and the first option is the password
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05:22<ger>REGISTER aaa
05:23<ger>is this syntax right?
05:24<ger>ah i have to put msg nickserv before?
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05:26<ger_>help set
05:26<streuner>ger_: Syntax: REGISTER <password> <email-address> - Examples: /msg NickServ REGISTER bar
05:27<ger_>yes. I forgot the first /msg NickServ
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05:28<ger_>Can I register a password with 64 characters?
05:28<ger_>or is there a limit
05:30<streuner>there is surely a limit, but i doubt that many people need 64 characters...
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05:32<ger_>#/msg nickserv set cloak
05:32<ger_>what is this? cloak
05:32<slush>ger_: use /msg nickserv help set cloak
05:33<ger_>thanks and it works with every command?
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05:34<ger_>slush, great :)
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05:34*smv needs help to fix X resolution using the nouveau driver
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05:34<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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05:37<smv>eh, asked some time ago, perhaps not the smart way. i wanted to get rid of the nvidia driver and after removing all related packages, X uses a 720x 576_0 resolution. what should i do to make it use the 1280x1024_75 resolution?
05:38<petemc>use the nvidia driver?
05:38<smv>but i just got rid of it.
05:38<petemc>or try nouveau
05:39<ffws>or nv
05:39<streuner>or VESA
05:39<smv>so i'm trying to use nouveau but X gives me no choice, and decides to use this odd resolution, that is only 1/4 of my screen.
05:39<ffws>can VESA do 1280x1024?
05:39<jm_>smv: does it show any info in kernel log when you boot it? dmesg command will show all kernel messages
05:40<jm_>smv: is console using monitor's native resolution?
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05:40<streuner>ffws: 1280x800 here
05:40<streuner>ffws: that seems the limit, not sure
05:41<smv>jm_, no, is using the same odd resolution, even if /etc/default/grub says 1024x768 for both grub and payload
05:41<jm_>yes vesa can do that mode
05:41<jm_>smv: did you check kernel output?
05:41<smv>what exactly should i look for?
05:41<jm_>anything from nouveau
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05:42<smv>many lines actually
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05:47<jm_>hmm looks fine to me
05:47<smv>and yet the output is not fine at all
05:48<smv>might be related to the grub options?
05:48<jm_>hmm try it without that
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05:49<jm_>I have only tried it with fedore live cd so far and it worked OK for me
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05:50<slush>smv: grub doesn't do anything to your X environment
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05:50<slush>smv: pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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05:51<smv>slush, i know that, but will also try with the normal grub settings, as the console isn't using the right resolution either
05:51<slush>smv: that's a whole other issue
05:52<jm_>not with KMS it isn't
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05:53<smv>here is the Xorg.0.log
05:53<slush>oh, we're talking KMS here?
05:53<smv>if they are related, then yes, i guess
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05:54<smv>will check with the standard grub
05:54<jonte>Hi! How do I find out which files (where they live) a package provides?
05:54<slush>jonte: dpkg -L package
05:54<jonte>slush, Much obliged! :)
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05:59<smv>well, no change, beside the grub default resolution, which i set at 640x480, but was soon replaced by the odd one chosen by nouveau
05:59<ravi>hi, I'm not able to copy or paste into any java applet based web chat programs, please suggest me how to do it?
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06:00<bartm>ravi: which applet ?
06:00<jm_>smv: maybe try a newer kernel or contact the developers
06:00<ravi>Yahoo! pool's
06:01<bartm>ravi: url?
06:01<ravi>you need to login with a yahoo! id, here it is
06:01<smv>jm_, newer than the -rc5 in experimental? :)
06:02<ravi>login then pass a captcha then you are taken to the game room, where there is the chat
06:02*bartm is doing that now...
06:02<ravi>I will be there as doubledistilledduffer
06:02<bartm>"Wait 3 minutes for applet to load..."
06:03<ravi>yeah, the first time it takes a li'l time
06:03<ravi>did the applet load? can you see my message?
06:04<jm_>smv: which one would that be?
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06:04<ravi>oh 3mins, right, it till take atleast a min, I guess
06:05<smv>jm_, 2.6.35-rc5-amd64 is the one i'm trying. guess i'll have to check with the 2.6.32-5-amd64 but i'm afraid i'll get the same resolution...
06:06<jm_>smv: yeah in that case it's probably best to contact the developers
06:06<Torsten_W>smv, add nouveau.modeset=0 as kernelcommand
06:07<ravi>did it load, bartm?
06:07*bartm just clicked on "Click here if applet fails to load"
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06:08<smv>Torsten_W, will check that
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06:08<ravi>bartm: didn't a loading bar appear and loaded the applet?
06:09<ravi>I've been using it on debian for almost a year, it works with iceweasel
06:10<ravi>does copying and pasting work with java applets? some elite people on #java on freenode told me that it doesn't work on linux itself
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06:11<ravi>we have got an unofficial league there, I just got accepted to run the tourneys, so I need to announce etc., don't worry this is not for spamming :D
06:12<bartm>ravi: I give up
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06:13<ravi>bartm: ok, ty for trying to help :-)
06:13<bartm>ravi: there are multiple ways to copy&paste: (1) ctrl-c ctrl-v, (2) ctrl-insert shift-insert, (3) select with mouse, and then click the middle button to paste
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06:13<ravi>know all that
06:13<ravi>tried them all
06:14<smv>Torsten_W, same thing :|
06:14<ravi>I am getting a box when I paste anything
06:14<ravi>so setting language to something else, should solve the problem?
06:14<Torsten_W>smv, same what?
06:14<Torsten_W>smv, i have not read the complete conversation
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06:17<smv>Torsten_W, i get the same resolution in console and in X, 720x576_0, no matter what i try. using the experimental kernel (2.6.35-rc5-amd64) in sid with nouveau, but i think i'll get the same with the 2.6.32-5-amd64 kernel
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06:19<smv>the same resolution i got months ago before switching to the nvidia driver, which gave me the right resolution, 1280x1024_75 when set with nvidia-settings.
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06:20<jm_>smv: is your TV connected?
06:20<Robert-AU>hello all, if i have a usb Flash drive large enough could i copy my existing install to a usb flash drive and boot it?
06:20<bartm>ravi: i'm in now, but you're right, copy&paste doesn't work
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06:21<jm_>Robert-AU: yes
06:21<smv>jm_, no tv here, just an lcd monitor over a crt cable, if that makes any sense
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06:22<jm_>smv: it's odd how it says outputs VGA and TV are used
06:24<smv>the video board has a 2nd port for dvi, but perhaps it has something to do with the tvtuner? though, that will be the ultimate oddity.
06:24<Robert-AU>jm_: thanks, is there anything i shoudl change afterwards to make it more suitable for flash drive use?
06:24<jm_>Robert-AU: yes, you should limit writes to it
06:24<Robert-AU>jm_: to reduce writes??
06:25<Robert-AU>jm_: is this available in the wiki?
06:25<jm_>Robert-AU: which wiki?
06:26<Robert-AU>debian wiki, thanks for your help i'll just serch the net, can't be too hard to find
06:26<jm_>Robert-AU: similar stuff is useful for laptops too, see laptop-mode
06:26<Robert-AU>jm_: have a good day, ahh cool thank you
06:26<jm_>Robert-AU: no idea if wiki covers it, but there's a package for it
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06:27<Torsten_W>smv, show the /var/log/Xorg.0.log from your actual boot
06:29<Torsten_W>smv, your should open your eyes!
06:29<Torsten_W>nouveau,modeset=0 != nouveau.modeset=0
06:30<smv>heh, indeed. may i say it's the resolution fault? :D
06:31<Torsten_W>and an echo blacklist nouveau >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf would also usefull
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06:31<Torsten_W>smv, you can't use nouveau at the moment, and you must deactivate kms for vesa or the binary blob from nvidia
06:32<smv>should i do that before checking with the corrected grub?
06:32<jm_>why exactly can't one use it?
06:32<smv>the nvidia driver incuding all related packages was removed, and initramfs was updated
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06:34<Torsten_W>jm_, nouveau in kernel .35 is incompatible with xorg-nouveau userspace
06:34<jm_>Torsten_W: ahh the issue that bit Linus?
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06:36<ravi>bartm: so the bug's been replicated
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06:38<luser>Quickie - I have a .bin and a .toc for an audio CD - how do I extract wavs (or raw audio) from them?
06:39<luser>they come from a CD that cdparanoia was unable to read. I used cdrdao to generate them.
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07:37<ger_>how to create a software raid 1?
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07:38<ger_>I looked for tuts in the net but the most of good guides was for debian etch
07:39<felixs>ger_: man mdadm. there are lots of examples
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07:43<ger_>Thanks for the tip. I note the URL of the wiki page :) Now I have to build in the second HDD in a running PC. I hope it will not crash
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07:46<pgimeno>How do I check which packages depends on a certain version of a given one?
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07:55<jm_>pgimeno: you can use tools like dpkg-awk, grep-available
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07:56<pgimeno>Thanks jm_
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08:05<_riot_>I want to install raid 1 with 2 HDD.I installed mdadm now. What I have to do next. The second HDD is empty.
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08:07<oskie_>i don't think you can convert non-mdraid to mdraid
08:07<oskie_>but i guess you could set up mdraid 1 on the other drive and move the OS to that one
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08:09<ogo>I am new in debian, somebody know how to config irc?
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08:10<dpkg>IRC is Internet Relay Chat, the means to provide #debian to its patrons. Official Debian IRC channels: . Please read . Ask me about <irc tutorial> and <faq>. See also <debstats> and <irclog>.
08:11<_riot_>oskie_, it's possible to copy the partition table to 2nd disk
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08:14<_riot_>sfdisk -d /dev/sda | sfdisk /dev/sdb // this work also with different disks?
08:14<_riot_>only with hda hdb
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08:18<jm_>_riot_: yes, but be careful with it
08:20<_riot_>jm_, , should I use --force
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08:21<jm_>_riot_: if you want to
08:21<_riot_>or can I fail
08:21<_riot_>I'm thinking if it isnt better to create the partitions with fdisk
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08:41<_riot_>how to change a partition to type fd -auto raid
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08:49<kpoorman>where can i find the list of packages installed by default in a fresh debian system ?
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08:52<themill>!standard task
08:52<dpkg>methinks standard task is a "task" that should be installed on all machines during the installer stage. It installs packages that are important, required and standard (i.e. "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant"). For a list of packages see . Also ask me about <tasksel>.
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08:53<themill>kpoorman: ^^ add ~E to that for good measure.
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09:23<mjt>laptop, newly installed debian sid, lxde. I always had my photo camera working on my desktop (gthumb). But on this lappie, gphoto does not want to import photos, it does not list the camera in the "impot" menu. I can use gphoto2 just fine (from command line), but this is somewhat clumsy. How gthumb builds list of available import devices?
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09:25<jm_>mjt: are you sure it's not related to permissions?
09:25<mjt>i'm not sure
09:25<jm_>ahh no you said gphoto works from CLI
09:26<mjt>but i'm a member of plugdev
09:26<mjt>and the usb device is gid=plugdev too
09:26<jm_>yeah it's not that, sorry
09:26<mjt>it's something in hal/dbus thing i think.
09:28<bartm>mjt: maybe try the version from testing?
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09:31<mjt>bartm: all relevant libs/executables are from testing
09:31<mjt>i _think_ anyway
09:31<mjt>ok, it's not sid, it's squeezee actually
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09:31<clinton>whats the easiest way to replace all packages which are no longer in my deb sources lists with their equivalents in the sources list?
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09:32<mjt>please define "equivalent"
09:32<clinton>as in, I've added a new source, installed a number of packages that replaced packages in say, stable, and now I want to go back to those versions.
09:32<clinton>go back to the versions in stable, that is
09:32<mjt>there's no "easy" way
09:33<mjt>and such downgrade is officially not supported.
09:33<clinton>ah, I see
09:35<dpkg>[downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
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09:43<mjt>but _how_ gthumb determines list of devices?
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09:46<mjt>i just tried on the desktop - it does not workthere either.
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10:02<mjt>heck. With gphoto2 it's quite difficult to delete files from the photo camera.
10:03<mjt>it does not support wildcards
10:03<Aleric>How am I supposed to set or get an UUID of a disk device? I can mount and use /dev/sde1 just fine, but (after unmounting), I get this error when running xfs_admin:
10:03<Aleric>>sudo xfs_admin -u /dev/sde1
10:03<Aleric>xfs_admin: /dev/sde1 is not a valid XFS filesystem (unexpected SB magic number 0x00000000)
10:04<weasel>that looks a bit corrupted, doesn't it
10:04<slush>Aleric: ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/
10:04<mjt>uuid != magic number
10:05<Aleric>slush: Ah ok :)
10:06<Aleric>Is it possible to use UUID for a cdrom writer too?
10:06<weasel>the UUID is a filesystem property
10:06<jm_>it's a property of a filesystem so if you use say ext3 ...
10:06<weasel>not a device property
10:06<jordanm>there is often a symlink from your cdrom device to /dev/cdrom to make it easy to find
10:07<Aleric>I got the warning, when upgrading from devices names to UUID "still one deprecated name left: /dev/scd0", but that is my cdrom -- how should get rid of that deprecation?
10:08<Aleric>Oh, use /dev/cdrom .. makes sense.
10:08<weasel>ignore the stupid warning
10:08<mjt>I installed shotwell, and finally it shows my camera. What's up with gthumb, anyone know? :)
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10:20<mjt>b-blah. but shotwell does not work too, it crashes right after completing downloading thumbnails from the camera... :(
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10:21<mjt>heh. And even in virtual windows it works just fine.
10:21<mjt>fantastic ;)
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10:25<mjt>shotwell from unstable does not detect it, just like gphoto
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10:28<mjt>ok. Is there _any_ way on squeeze/sid to import photos from a PTP-mode USB camera?
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10:33<smhar>how to add the applet that changes the keyboard layout language to the gnome panel?
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10:39<cthuluh>mjt: dunno, I generally use gphotofs, which works well.
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10:40<mjt>that's another tool ;)
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10:40<mjt>lemme try it
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10:41<blockowitsch>hello. is it possible to kill all processes that run inside a chroot environment?
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10:42<blockowitsch>or alternatively, kill all processes that run in a directory
10:42<blockowitsch>mjt, how?
10:42<mjt>see /proc/*/root
10:43<blockowitsch>so i need to run through all processes by myself and kill them if /proc/*/root points to my chroot directory?
10:44<blockowitsch>maybe there is already a tool for that?
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10:44<jordanm>blockowitsch: have you tried just klling the chroot proc?
10:44<mjt>or awk
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10:46<blockowitsch>jordanm, that won't kill the processes that were spawned inside the chroot
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10:52<mjt>cthuluh: thank you!
10:52<mjt>cthuluh: that one works ;)
10:53<cthuluh>oh, I'm glad for you
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10:53<cthuluh>then it's gthumb that's broken in sid, not libgphoto
10:53<mjt>no GUI version I tried works, but gphoto2 command line and this gpphotofs works.
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10:54<mjt>tried gthumb, shotwell, f-spot from testing and unstable.
10:54<mjt>either crashes or does not see the camera
10:54<cthuluh>mjt: now a udev rule to automatically mount your PTP device and sync the new files, and you're done :)
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10:55<mjt>only shotwell from testing (not from unstable) actually recognizes the camera
10:55<mjt>but it sigsegvs at the end of thumbnail import
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10:56<mjt>and no, I don't like automatic things, at least not w/o asking first
10:56<mjt>while experimenting I found that `gphoto2 -P -D' works just fine too ;)
10:56<mjt>-P = import all, -D = delete all
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10:57<cthuluh>I did not bother to check all gphoto2 possibilities.
10:58<mjt>. o O { and now they talk about productivity... It's insane that a task as simple as importing your photos may take several _hours_ to be done... Win* users can't understand that... }
10:59<petemc>does it work on stable?
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11:00<mjt>libgphoto from stable does not recognize the camera
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11:02<mjt>gtkam does not work too (it does not see the camera)
11:02<sheldonh>heyyyyy, the "testing" factoid doesn't diss testing any more
11:02<jordanm>!factinfo testing
11:02<dpkg>testing -- last modified at Thu Aug 13 09:03:32 2009 by themill!n=stuart@unaffiliated/themill; it has been requested 887 times, last by sheldonh, 51s ago.
11:02<sheldonh>i just logged on to show it to someone, and it eggfaced me
11:03<jordanm>sheldonh: maybe you were looking for the "moving target" factoid?
11:03<sheldonh>nope. once upon a time, dpkg had a verrrry different opinion of testing. doesn't matter, i just look a bit silly. nothing new :)
11:03<jordanm>!moving target
11:03<dpkg>Sure, testing might be shiner that stable, but are you prepared to be continually updating your system? Things that worked today will break tomorrow. Configuration file formats will change and you'll have to fold your changes in yet again. Testing is a moving target and if you'd rather work *with* your computer rather than working *on* your computer, you might not want that. See <testing security>.
11:04<dpkg>Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers.
11:04<sheldonh>once upon a time, it said something like "testing is a 10 day old unstable with missing dependencies, unfixed bugs and no security updates" :_)
11:05<petemc>it does improve over time, as im sure you're aware
11:05<sheldonh>what, the dpkg bot, or testing? ;P
11:05<jordanm>sheldonh: missing depends should block a package's migration into testing, and it does somewhat get security updates now
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11:05<sheldonh>so that's all good then. he's gonna track squeeze, not sid
11:06<jordanm>sheldonh: it is still not recommened for the reasons stated in the moving target factoid
11:06<sheldonh>he's pretty hellbent on having -some- kinda fun :)
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11:36<julbel>perras como estan
11:36<bartm>julbel: english please
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11:39<NixGeek>I need help with nvidia driver install. i get the error: The compiler used to compile the kernel (gcc 4.1) does not exactly match the current compiler (gcc 4.3). The Linux 2.6 kernel module loader rejects kern el modules built with a version of gcc that does not exactly match that of t he compiler used to build the running kernel. If you know what you are doing and want to ignore the gcc version check, sel ect "No" to continue installation. Otherwise,
11:39<NixGeek>select "Yes" to abort install ation, set the CC environment variable to the name of the compiler used to c ompile your kernel, and restart installation. Abort now?
11:39<jordanm>NixGeek: doesn't sound like you are doing it the debian way
11:40<NixGeek>no, It was being a pain
11:40<bartm>dpkg: tell NixGeek about nvidia
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11:40<NixGeek>i'm using the package
11:40<jordanm>NixGeek: the nvidia way is not supported here. go to #nvidia on
11:40<jordanm>NixGeek: so you get that from what? m-a a-i nvidia-kernel-source?
11:43<xtdlbd|bdlbtx>I'll never go nVidia on Linux again -- never had until April 3rd, when I ordered my machine. I thought things had changed to the point where it didn't matter which card you got. Order my stuff -- nVidia because I had a nVidia chipset etc, and suprise, ATI works more easily.
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11:43*bartm has both nvidia and ati
11:43<jordanm>xtdlbd|bdlbtx: I have always had the opposite experience
11:43*jordanm will never buy an ati card
11:44<NixGeek>i think i've got a ati card laying around (i ahve 4 old comuters, 2 had ati, 1 (that i'm using) had nvidia, and one had built in intel
11:46<xtdlbd|bdlbtx>jordanm; It takes a village, when in rome, etc. Hey what's that website (was it .nl?) that had the list of all the compatible wireless network cards for Debian?
11:47<NixGeek>awesome, i got an answer from #nvidia on freenode
11:47<NixGeek>so easy!
11:47<xtdlbd|bdlbtx> Found it.
11:47<dpkg>[hcl] Hardware Compatibility Lists are at, see to see what's supported by the Linux kernel, (PCI verification only),, or ask me about <modinfo pci alias>, <judd-hardware>.
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11:47<doubledutch>jordanm; Thanks, chap.
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11:56<dpkg><kingk> Its pretty easy to install Flash, you just dl, unpack, and run the installer. But it doesn't work for me <takatumi> kingk: and yet you say it's easy.
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12:01<NixGeek>!install Nvidia
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12:01<bartm>NixGeek: try !nvidia
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12:03<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see . If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
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12:03<NixGeek>!nvidia m-a
12:03<dpkg>[nvidia m-a] For Lenny and Squeeze users. Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. "aptitude install module-assistant && m-a a-i nvidia-kernel". After successful module compilation, "aptitude install nvidia-glx nvidia-xconfig && nvidia-xconfig -o /etc/X11/xorg.conf". See also <nvidia>.
12:03<bartm>NixGeek: you can also use dpkg in a more private manner, /msg dpkg nvidia
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12:03<NixGeek>okay, sorry
12:04<NixGeek>i'm kinda new to irc
12:04<bartm>no problem
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12:20<serg>la jod
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12:32<NixGeek>okay, i got fed up with all the commands and having to remember stuff going from one computer to the other, so i wrote a shell script, and so far so good!
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12:47<arggil>anyone there?
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12:48<arggil>hey i have a question
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12:48<arggil>im looking for a paq called libbabl v0.1.2
12:49<arggil>the version in lucid is 0.0.2
12:49<arggil>were can i get it?
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12:52<jordanm>,versions libbabl
12:52<judd>Sorry, no package named 'libbabl' was found.
12:52<jordanm>,versions libbabl-0.0-0
12:52<judd>libbabl-0.0-0 -- lenny: 0.0.22-1; sid: 0.0.22-1; squeeze: 0.0.22-1
12:54<arggil>im trying to build the sources of gimp 2.7 on lucid
12:54<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
12:54<jordanm>arggil: ubuntu is not support here
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12:55<arggil>yeah but im lookin for the library
12:55<themill>arggil: yes, and #ubuntu on will know where to find it.
12:56<arggil>ok a thx a lot
12:57<arggil>and im sorry im a newbie in irc
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13:04<irwin>hello firneds
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13:36<rubix___>i need help :( - i wanna have a trayicon/mailnotifikation for my icedove @ debian squeeze / testing - using gnome
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13:48<Ornedan>What's the flavor of the day for configuring input devices? My laptop's touchpad and navpoint configs broke after upgrading (again, just like the last 2 times)
13:48<Ornedan>The touchpad is supposed to be off and the navpoint configured to mouse wheel emulation
13:49<Ornedan>I've got settings for those in xorg.conf, hal and udev. None work now
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13:52<jordanm>Ornedan: what version of debian?
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13:54<Ornedan>jordanm: mixture of testing and unstable. mostly testing
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13:55<craigevil>rubix___: install xul-ext-traybiff
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13:55<jordanm>Ornedan: gpointing-device-settings
13:56<jimcooncat>trying to get my preseed going again. DHCP & TFTP works, but "preseed/url" doesn't seem to load. I believe it must be my "append" line, but I'm not sure what to do. It pops up blue screen asking for my keyboard layout.
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13:57<Ornedan>jordanm: Seems to work. Does that thing actually persist it's settings or do I have to set the configuration up every time I restart?
13:57<jimcooncat>sorry, old pastebin:
13:58<jordanm>Ornedan: should persist
13:59<Ornedan>jordanm: Ok. But looks like only the navpoint mouse wheel emulation part worked. It failed to disable the touchpad
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14:02<Ornedan>Therefore, how does one actually control this stuff nowadays? Behind the shitty GUIs
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14:05<rubix___>@<craigevil>, doesnt work :(
14:05<rubix___>thats the problem
14:08<gsimmons>jimcooncat: You likely want to append "auto=true" in order to delay locale and keyboard questions. See section B.2.3 of the Installation Guide.
14:08<rubix___>icedove said incompatible with icedove 305
14:09<jimcooncat>thanks gsimmons, I just found that option.
14:09<chealer>rubix___: I gave up on that (using KDE). I let Icedove open all the time.
14:10<jimcooncat>I'm through that mess. Now to get my apt-cacher working right.
14:11<rubix___>my icedove is open everytime - but in background - and i wanna see a mailnotjfy in my tray
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14:14<rubix___>@<gsimmons>, where to put " append "auto=true" "
14:15<jordanm>Ornedan: these days, I have no clue, but would expect xorg.conf to work regardless
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14:17<Ornedan>jordanm: xorg.conf stopped working for my pointer devices a year ago or so :/
14:17<rubix___>ok i'll try it - thx
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14:48<craigevil>rubix___: you can try using , icedove Preferences> general> when new messages arrive Check show alert
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14:53<chealer>rubix___: yeah, I understand, but I gave up on that. let me know if you find something,
14:53<rubix___>ok i will
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14:55<chealer>craigevil: according to MinimizeToTray is for Windows (though not sure about MinimizeToTray Plus)
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14:56<chealer>yeah, that's also Windows stuff
14:56<craigevil>ah its minimizetowindows plus, works just fine
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14:56<sta>Can anyone help me found a documentation on how to compile 2.6.9 kernel in linux debian 5.5
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14:58<jordanm>sta: why would you want to do that?
14:59<sta>I just installed the system in an old dual pentium pro computer and i got an error related to acpi i want to configure the kernel from the begining
14:59<chealer>rubix___: there's a 10 years old issue report asking for that, might happen next decade:
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15:00<craigevil> pic of thunderbird 3.1 with minimizetotray plus installed
15:00<jordanm>sta: that is a 5 year old kernel, certain have known security flaws. why not just boot acpi=off?
15:00<sta>i actually i remember only the old commands like make menuconfig make zimage etc ...
15:01<sta>I just installed linux debian for fist time but i know the basics for linux ... where is the source of the kernel ?
15:03<jordanm>!tell sta about kernel recompile
15:03<jordanm>!tell sta about compile kernel
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15:04<sta>ok thanks
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15:13<johnfg>hi guys
15:14<johnfg>I'm not running network manager, so how can I find out what ports my router is using? I ran netstat, but it's not giving me the information I need.
15:15<jhutchins_lt>johnfg: Um, routers don't use ports.
15:15<johnfg>I had to do some changing/updating of equipment, and the machine's using some different ports.
15:16<retrospectacus>johnfg: please clarify ... tcp ports? no?
15:16<johnfg>jhutchins_lt, Oy! Sorry, I didn't mean ports, but ip addresses.
15:16<jhutchins_lt>johnfg: Except maybe for management, which might be 22, 23, 80, or 443.
15:16<johnfg>It was using & 107, but now I think it's using 101 & 102.
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15:17<valdyn>johnfg: your routers ip adress is the default gateway on network computers
15:17<retrospectacus>you have access to this router? is it running debian?
15:17<jhutchins_lt>johnfg: nmap -sP 192.168.1.*
15:18<jhutchins_lt>valdyn: You assume that the router is serving DHCP and therefore knows the address.
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15:26<moldovean>hi, what can i use to dl a .iso , when using wget get only 11.2K/s (.. eta 2d 55h !)
15:27<luser>find a torrent of it instead?
15:27<moldovean>no, direct link
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15:28<luser>wget's pretty good at getting the best download speed, so there's nothing else you can really do, it's not the software your end that's the limitting factor
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15:29<luser>ANyway, time to re-ask my Q from this morning, assuming i can find it in my history...
15:29<luser>Quickie - I have a .bin and a .toc for an audio CD - how do I extract wavs (or raw audio) from them?
15:29<retrospectacus>moldovean: find a faster mirror
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15:30<moldovean>retrospectacus, that has no mirrors (it's an indian site )
15:30<retrospectacus>luser: should be able to use cdemu to mount the .bin then grip to rip it.
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15:31<luser>retro - will try that now! TYVM
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15:33<luser>retro - no cdemu on squeeze :(
15:33<retrospectacus>moldovean: you're out of luck then
15:34<moldovean>heh, ths
15:34<retrospectacus>luser: yeah cdemu is not distributed in apt you can get it from some website... it's kind of hard to set up too
15:34<retrospectacus>there is probably a better alternative
15:35<Ornedan>jordanm: btw, you were wrong about gpointing-device-settings settings persisting. After restart, the mouse wheel emulation was gone
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15:36<Ornedan>How does one configure pointer devices in current testing/unstable? Specifilly, I've got a laptop with a touchpad and a navpoint. I want to turn the touchpad off and activate mouse wheel emulation for the navpoint
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15:37<speck>hi all
15:37<speck>Somebody can help me.
15:37<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
15:38<speck>I have a filepped screen at Skype
15:38<jordanm>Ornedan: perhaps its a bug that needs to be reported?
15:38<speck>yhx a quick answare
15:38<speck>sorry thx
15:39<Ornedan>jordanm: Maybe. But considering how all the previous methods of configuring it were trashed on purpose, I think it's not a bug
15:39<speck>For example ina cheese had a good pics
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15:39<luser>retro - ug, looks like I'll need to install a lot of libs to builds
15:40<jordanm>Ornedan: if nothing else, I expect there to be better documentation after squeeze is released...
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15:40<retrospectacus>luser: I believe you should be able to mount the .bin file using mount -t isofs -o loop .... google knows I'm sure
15:41<jordanm>Ornedan: I think #572956 was one you had issues with
15:41<speck>I find a forum but unfortunelly germani
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15:42<luser>retro - it's audio, not a iso9660 filesystem :-(
15:42<speck>I had Asus laptop and a guy write a scripet for this problem
15:42<speck>But do not working in my computer
15:42<speck>I'm a lamer
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15:45<retrospectacus>luser: grip might actually be able to rip straight from the .bin upon further inspection
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15:48<jimcooncat>preseed now stops at partman. Maybe because there are two hard disks installed?
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15:49<luser>retro - no prebuilt packages, and I don't want to have to pull in all the gnome crap - I'm just going to find a torrent of the album instead!
15:49<luser>it's the first time I've seen cdparanoia unable to cope with a task!
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15:53<mjt>luser: the .bin you have is raw audio actually. what you need is shnsplit i think.
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15:54<mjt>luser: that tool is used exactly for this purpose: to extract tracks out of whole image + a .cue file
15:54<mjt>luser: but i'm not sure it understands raw format ;)
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15:55<mjt>which is ths simplest format possible
15:55<mjt>which is the*
15:55<mjt>shntool package it is
15:56<mjt>if it does not, use, say, flac to compress your .bin file first :)
15:58<luser>mjt - shn* is for shorten files isn;t it?
15:58<mjt>what's the format used in audio cds? i know it's 44100 hz, 16bits/sample, 2 channels, but is it big or little-endian?
15:58<mjt>luser: yes, it's for sorten
15:58<mjt>luser: but the tool is generic, it can handle lots of different formats
15:59<mjt>luser: basically it's just a pre-processor for .cue file to extract positions and translate it to varios command-line options of the right tools
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16:01<mjt>usually whole-CD rips are compressed using flac or monkeys-audio (ape)
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16:02<mjt>or they're written into .wav files, at least
16:04<luser>mjt - I'll look at shn on my PPC box, and my g/f seems to have 'grip' available on her sux86 box.
16:04<mjt>grip is just a wrapper app around cdparanoia or somesuch
16:05<luser>oh, then it's fail
16:05<mjt>apparently shnsplit does not work with raw files, but works with .wav.
16:05<mjt>so either bin=>wav or bin=>flac, probably easiest option
16:07<mjt>note that you'll have to know the format of your data - if it's big- or little-endian
16:07<jimcooncat>never mind, I got through it by specifying the disk.
16:07<luser>This is a weird CD - it starts on track 14. I might have to hack the source to cdparanoia
16:08<luser>mjt - od will tell me that
16:08<mjt>heh. maybe
16:09<mjt>but anyway, you probably want more specific forum for this
16:09<luser>the grip webpage implies it's rather cdparanoia-like
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16:15<luser>mjt - it's OK, cdparanoia on sux86 seems to cope, it's just the debianppc version that fails
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16:16<luser>I'll run strace on both versions, and see how they differ
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16:17<moldovean>luser, what's sux86 ?
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16:17<luser>architecture invented by intel in 1974
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16:17<moldovean>luser, url ?
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16:19<luser>something may be lost in translation
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16:36<r0ger>what flag shows full file paths for ps?
16:37<r0ger>i didn't see a reference to it in man
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16:41<luser>r0ger I don't think there's a switch
16:42<luser>r0ger - what's the problem you wish to solve, perhaps ps isn't the solution?
16:42<r0ger>hmm.. how can i return the path of a process then?
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16:42<luser>the answer's in /proc :-I
16:42<r0ger>ahh lemme look
16:42<jhutchins_lt>r0ger: Does ps ax give the info you're looking for?
16:43<jordanm>r0ger: readlink /proc/<pid>/exe
16:43<r0ger>jhutchins: nah it was ./ircd
16:43<r0ger>jordanm: yeah i just checked that
16:43<r0ger>ty tho
16:43<r0ger>thanks luser
16:43<luser>r0ger 'exe' is probably what you want
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16:44<r0ger>thanks a lot!
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16:44<luser>no problem
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16:44<luser>I've been given help here (and #debianppc) about 10 times this week, so I need to answer a lot more questions before I can leave!
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16:51<jimcooncat>how do I find my ip on a default lenny system? I'm used to typing "ifconfig" on my ubuntu boxes
16:52<petemc>jimcooncat: /sbin/ifconfig , its only in roots path
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17:08<troulouliou>hi i hacve my bluetooth gps connected to rfcomm1 and i can see data coming from /dev/rfcomm1 , however when i start gpsd on it i do not see anything
17:08<troulouliou>from xgps or any other prog
17:08<troulouliou>can somebody help
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17:20<andy235>hallo ich habe auf meine pc knoppix 6.3 wie bekomme ich die berechtigung mun eine aktuellesirung zu machen
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17:21<andy235>kennt sich einer da mi aus
17:21<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unofficial: <Debian-live> is the Debian equivalent for publishing live systems.
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17:22<andy235>web seit for germanny ?
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18:17<Aleric>Is there a way to do a recursive find without going into a directory xyx or any of it's subdirectories? Thus: find . -name '*.c' ! -name 'dirname' and then not print dirname/foo.c ?
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18:18<dondelelcaro>Aleric: see -prune
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18:19<pitupita>coño, que ilu, acabo de estrenar el xchat instalado con apt-get
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18:20<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
18:21<pitupita>what's this chat language?
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18:24<pitupita>ok, /join #debian-es
18:24<na5uta-work>yes, that is what want say
18:25<Knorrie>what's the best way to report lenny->squeeze problems concerning insserv? I just installed a lenny system with disk encryption and am currenty trying to upgrade it to squeeze, but that fails...
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18:25<Knorrie>I mean, if reporting a bug, which package should I choose to report a bug on?
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18:25<pitupita>thanks a lot, na5uta
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19:05<mercutio22>weird... I tried submitting a bug report but I can't find it at the BTS
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19:07<craigevil>mercutio22: did you receive a email reply about the bug
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19:08<mercutio22>craigevil: weird, I received a msg from myself To: Debian Bug Tracking System <>
19:09<craigevil>the bug wont show up until you get a reply back with a link to the bug in the email
19:09<mercutio22>X-Mailer: reportbug 4.12.4
19:09<mercutio22>craigevil: that was yesterday
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20:49<jhonka>are there any packages available that will emulate a cd/dvd drive so you can mount disk images as if they were physical disks?
20:50<jhonka>or is there a good way to do it with tools most likely already available?
20:51<na5uta-work>you want mount a iso?
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20:52<na5uta-work>you can mount it manualy
20:53<na5uta-work>or with nautilus or dolphin
20:53<mercutio22>jhonka: acetoneiso
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20:54<abrotman>!mount iso
20:54<dpkg>hmm... iso mount is mount -t iso9660 -o loop <path_to_iso> <mount_point>
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20:56<jhonka>ok, thanks for the advice... got it workin
20:57<jhonka>anybody got a question for me?
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23:23<tajj>how can i convert a video file or a series of video files into a dvd image?
23:25<tajj>is there a site out there that shows how? if there is, couldnt find it
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23:34<buckh>how about ?
23:35<buckh>seems to be a deb available on the debian-multimedia site
23:35<buckh>so your legal mileage may vary
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23:37<rld>Hi everyone, doing "apt-get install gimp" fails, says "The following packages have unmet dependencies:
23:37<rld> gimp: Depends: python-gtk2 (>= 2.8.0) but it is not going to be installed
23:37<rld>E: Broken packages
23:37<rld>". Any idea why? Running testing with KDE here
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23:39<rld>Hi everyone, "apt-get install gimp" returns "gimp: Depends: python-gtk2 (>= 2.8.0) but it is not going to be installed", what should I do? Running testing w/KDE here
23:40<buckh>rld: apt-get update
23:40<buckh>you must have an incoherent Packages index
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23:40<buckh>what distribution?
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23:41<rld>running apt-get update now...buckh, it's Debian testing, if that's what you mean.
23:41<rld>same error after running apt-get update :/
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23:47<tajj>rld check if you have broken packages
23:47<rld>tajj, according to apt-get check, nothing is broken
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23:48<moldovean>aptitude install gimp python-gtk2 , works ?
23:49<rld>moldovean, it's asking me to accept a solution that involves not installing any new packages, lol
23:49<moldovean>but why ?
23:50<rld>well, that's what I'm here for, hehe
23:50<moldovean>paste the output
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23:50<rld>hang on a sec
23:50<moldovean>rld, is a new install , or an update ?
23:51<rld>it was a netinstall from a few days back
23:51<moldovean>rld, paste your sources too
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23:52<samferry>missing packages?
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23:54<moldovean>rld , you installed packs from sid
23:54<moldovean>but 4.4.4-7 is installed
23:55<moldovean>,versions gcc-4.4-base
23:55<judd>gcc-4.4-base -- squeeze: 4.4.4-6; sid: 4.4.4-7
23:55<rld>hm...what should I do then?
23:56<moldovean>try to revert
23:57<moldovean>try, aptitude install gcc-4.4-base=4.4.4-6
23:58<rld>I'm getting this...should I accept it?
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23:59<rld>don't think it did anything, hah
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