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01:03<cipher>alsa does not detect any sound drivers...
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01:30<rijo>cipher: is the sound device detected? do 'lspci'
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01:32<cipher>thats why i was so confused lol
01:34<cipher>00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)
01:34<rijo>yeah that should be it
01:35*cipher is not sure what to do next.
01:35<rijo>you could try to modprobe the driver manually but it should get loaded automatically
01:35<cipher>like add that to the alsa config
01:35<craigevil>cipher: take a look at
01:39<rijo>as far as i can tell, your driver should be snd-hda-intel if you want to try to modprobe it
01:41<craigevil>10 to 1 the module is loaded, the problem is if sound doesnt just work you need to tweak /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf
01:41<craigevil>cipher: paste bin the output of cat /proc/asound/card*/codec* | grep Codec
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01:51<craigevil>cipher: ok take a look at look for your model then add what it says to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf
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03:29<psycho_oreos>any of you guys familiar with apt-mirror tool? I'm having issues with the perl script, its chucking me errors whilst trying to parse a large list to download
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03:49<shevek>I want to make skype-like calls to other people. They are running GNU/Linux as well, but I don't want to ask them to set up special firewall rules. I have a double-masquerading setup on my side, which isn't very nice for sip. What would be a good way to use voip. Main feature must be that it is easy to set up for the other side of the link (my side may be complex).
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03:52<shevek>I tried ekiga and linphone, but they both have problems with masquerading (both sides are masqueraded). It works when I set up a tunnel, but that's too much trouble for the other side (and it means I cannot receive calls, because the tunnel will not always be there).
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04:16<B4ch>Debian is possible to use as NAS? if possible, that application need? thanks
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04:28<Tuplad>I have installed nvidia drivers with aptitude, but after a restart my screen is 800x600 and I can't change it because it doesn't recognize my monitor. It used to work fine. What can I do ?
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04:32<Tuplad>anyone ? :o
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04:35<muep>Tuplad: you probably need to manually tell the resolutions your monitor supports
04:35<Tuplad>muep: how do I do that ? do I have to edit /etc/X11/XF86Config ?
04:36<Tuplad>there's a section Monitor in that file where vendorname and modelname are set to "unknown" and it has option "dpms"
04:36<Tuplad>but it says nothing abount resolution
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04:41<muep>Tuplad: I think you might just need to add a VertRefresh line and a HorizSync line to the file to the correct place
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04:41<Tuplad>muep: they are added
04:41<muep>Tuplad: do they match the specifications of your monitor?
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04:42<Tuplad>muep: I doubt it: HorizSync 30.0 - 110.0 VertRefresh 50.0 - 150.0
04:43<muep>I'd think that should be enough for quite many resolutions, not just 800x60
04:43<Tuplad>well, the monitor is not recognized at all
04:44<Tuplad>have a look muep
04:45<muep>usually it does not matter if the monitor name is right or not
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04:46<muep>took a look, seems like a very usual xorg.conf
04:46<muep>Tuplad: but did you notice that the filename is usually /etc/X11/xorg.conf, not /etc/X11/XF86Config
04:47<Tuplad>hmm, muep I started the gui of nvidia control center and it said to run nvidia-xconfig, so I did
04:47<muep>maybe X can find the file in multiple places, but if there are many of them, It'll probably pick just one
04:48*muep would not trust nvidia instructions on this
04:48<muep>after all, they tell you to bypass your operating system's package management and install drivers with their installers
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04:48<Tuplad>I installed it via aptitude
04:49<Tuplad>and restarted my computer, and my resolution is screwed
04:49<Tuplad>I tried installing them last time, screwed around for a couple of hours, didn't work out, so I just left it crying
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04:50<s_i_m>Tuplad, what exactly is your problem? sorry, i have not seen the beginning of the discussion
04:51<Tuplad>s_i_m: installed nvidia drivers through aptitude, restart computer and my resolution is screwed - can't change it. started nvidia config and it told me to run a command:
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04:51<Tuplad>s_i_m: nvidia drivers make me cry
04:51<Tuplad>s_i_m: it seems that the nvidia thing doesn't recognize my monitor
04:52<s_i_m>that usually works out of the box... lemme see
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04:54<hello>email server in debian ?
04:54<hello>already installed ?
04:54<s_i_m>Tuplad, can you please post /var/log/Xorg.0.log
04:54<hello>whatis exim4
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04:54<Tuplad>s_i_m: I've got these: nvidia-kernel-common, nvidia-kernel-dkms, nvidia-vdpau-driver(-ia32), nvidia-settings, nvidia-xconfig, nvidia-glx(-ia32)
04:55<s_i_m>hello, it is a MTA, default in Debian.
04:55<locklace>eiffel tower in paris ?
04:55<locklace>already standing ?
04:55<locklace>whatis art nouveau
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05:00<s_i_m>Tuplad, your x config is not used at all. xserver tries all drivers and fails back to vesa, perhaps
05:01<s_i_m>rename the file to xorg.conf and try once again
05:01<Tuplad>s_i_m: but everything was fine before I tried installing these nvidia drivers, so if it falls back, then all should be fine... in this case everything is reset I think
05:01<s_i_m>Tuplad, do you want nvidia drivers or what?
05:02<Tuplad>s_i_m: yes :}
05:02<s_i_m>so do as i say
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05:02<Tuplad>renamed XF86 things to xorg.conf
05:02<Tuplad>should I restart x now or ?
05:02<s_i_m>restart X
05:03<Tuplad>one moment, brb
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05:04<Tuplad>whoa! pwnsomeness
05:05<Tuplad>but refresh rate is set to 50hz :( it was 75hz before
05:05<r0ger>is it possible to forward X sessions via ssh without actually having an xserver running?
05:05<s_i_m>then adapt or remove Monitor section in your config....
05:06<Tuplad>s_i_m: alright
05:06<smv>Tuplad, a complicated but always working way is to install nvidia-xconfig which you can use to create a new xorg.conf file. restart X, and use the newly created xorg.conf, then install nvidia-settings and use it to change settings. then you can save the changes in a different file than xorg.conf (it won't work anyway, unless started as root) and combine that with the xorg.conf made by nvidia-xconfig
05:06<r0ger>i would like to run some linux apps over ssh here locally but i don't have a gui on the server so installing X would seemingly be a waste of my already nearly depleated memory reserve
05:06<s_i_m>Tuplad, I would also recommend removing the keyboard and mouse sections
05:07<Tuplad>s_i_m: alright
05:07<Tuplad>s_i_m: from the xorg.conf ?
05:07<smv>i wouldn't. last time i tried that they wheren't working.
05:07<s_i_m>it is all autodetected now.
05:08<valdyn>r0ger: you dont need an X server, but you do need most of X
05:08<s_i_m>does not require manual intervention in most situations, especially not in case when one does not understand what he is doing...
05:09<smv>runing on sid here. 2 days ago tried to remove keyboard and mouse sections and it didn't worked. not sure if this changed by now...
05:09<Tuplad>removed monitor section, will restart x again
05:09<s_i_m>smv, this is expected that something can break on unstable.
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05:11<Tuplad>when I check system settings -> monitor it's still set to 50 hz
05:11<s_i_m>post again your Xorg.0.log
05:12<smv>unless you add specific monitor info to xorg, will always remain as it is now. use nvidia-settings and combine with xorg.conf generated by nvidia-xconfig.
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05:14<Tuplad>smv: did that
05:14<smv>pastebin your xorg.conf
05:15<r0ger>valdyn so pretty much hd space instead of ram consumed?
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05:16<s_i_m>Tuplad, your log says it is 75 Hz Jul 17 11:05:51 NVIDIA(0): Setting mode "1280x1024_75"
05:16<Tuplad>hmm... when I check system settings -> monitor it's 50hz (NOT nvidia-config)
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05:16<s_i_m>ah, Gnome?
05:16<s_i_m>ignore that
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05:17<Tuplad>oh, awesomeness
05:17<smv>Tuplad, from that xorg.conf i can assume you didn't combine the files in a propper way.
05:17<Tuplad>smv: they were both the same
05:17<s_i_m>smv, stop making noise already...
05:17<Tuplad>smv: that's the thing, that config generator doesn't do a thing
05:19<Tuplad>oh, I've just figured it out!
05:19<smv>they can't be the same. the files weren't generated/combined properly. and is not noise. it's a thing i've checked many times in the last 6 months.
05:19<Tuplad>I had to run nvidia-settings as root in order for it to be set to 75hz!
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05:19<Tuplad>lo and behold my new xorg.conf! :D
05:19<smv>if you would've read carefully what i said, you would've understand that you could save the file under a different name. and then combine. would've been safer.
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05:22<Tuplad>smv: I've got a backup
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05:23<s_i_m>smv, get lost.
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05:26<smv>s_i_m, and if i don't?
05:27<s_i_m>amv, that I pity the users that follow your advices.
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05:35<psycho_oreos>any of you guys familiar with apt-mirror tool? I'm having issues with the perl script, its chucking me errors whilst trying to parse a large list to download
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06:20<leqkcim>Fail. :\
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07:09<meanokun>Hi. I've spent countless hours trying to get Lenny + Xorg + HAL to work together, but without success. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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07:12<locklace>meanokun: my approach is to delete hal
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07:12<meanokun>DBUS is running, HAL is running, lshal shows that the config is OK (input.xkb.layout=fr for input.keys-capable devices) but X does not seem to use that config (layout statys with default "us" value).
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07:14<meanokun>If I fill an InputDevice section in xorg.conf, I can set the keyboard to the right layout, but I cannot get the other input devices to work properly (mouse right-handed, trackball left-handed).
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07:17<s_i_m>meanokun, show us your /var/log/Xorg.0.log (use pastebin)
07:20<s_i_m>because HAL is deprecated I would not recommend to spend too much time on configuring x with it now.
07:20<s_i_m>better try to get xorg.conf settings working
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07:23<meanokun>s_i_m: well, I know that HAL will be dropped, but since Lenny still uses HAL, I've tried to configure it.
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07:26<s_i_m>and your xorg.conf please
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07:29<meanokun>I've tried to "force" HAL usage with a ServerFlags section, but it didn't change anything (as expected since HAL is supposed to be used by default)
07:30<s_i_m>do you have still the version of xorg.conf with the keyboard and the mouse sections somewhere around?
07:31<s_i_m>run X with it and post the X log
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07:39<meanokun>My problem with that xorg.conf: I can't remap the trackball buttons as I want.
07:39<s_i_m>i see. and the log?
07:40<s_i_m>it is there
07:40<meanokun>Just below in the same link.
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07:41<meanokun>The "EmulateWheel" does not work, and I can't remap a button to send "button 2" event (I've tried to switch the "2" and "8" in the ButtonMapping line)
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07:45<s_i_m>meanokun, have you tried adding Option "AutoAddDevices" "off" to the layout section?
07:45<s_i_m>(ServerLayout, i mean)
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07:46<meanokun>Noy yet. I'll try that right now.
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07:49<meanokun>Well, that didn't work. I've also tried to change to "evdev" driver instead of "mouse" for my trackball, but things are worse then (buttonmapping seems to be ignored)
07:51<s_i_m>actually, from the log it is seen that your keyboard and mouse sections _are_ used.
07:52<s_i_m>so, the only thing is to figure out how to get mouse button mapping working.
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07:52<s_i_m>evdev, btw, works only with autodetection
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07:54<protz>hi, I'm getting consistent "Cannot connect to debian BTS" when using reportbug, on two different computers, running both up-to-date testing, running on two differents networks. Does that ring a bell to anyone?
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07:58<meanokun>With xorg.conf, it is _almost_ working: it's just that I can't get one button on my trackball to send "button2" event and the other one to honor "EmulateWheel" option. With the same hardware, I had this working on a Gentoo with Xorg + HAL, so I was hoping to do the same with Lenny.
07:59<meanokun>I'll spend another hour playin with "driver", "option protocol", "option buttonmapping"... and then I'll give up.
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07:59<meanokun>s_i_m thanks for your help
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07:59<s_i_m>meanokun, for nothing.
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08:15<sten>I upgraded from lenny to squeeze and don't see any access points anymore; dev is a prism 2.5, hostap, hostap_pci, orinoco, orinoco_pci modules are loaded, I get eth2 as interface, but "ifconfig eth2 up; iwlist eth2 scan" only gives "No scan results"
08:15<sten>what can I do to make it work? other laptops see multiple access points
08:17<sten>I already tried to blacklist, but that didn't help: blacklist hostap* doesn't change anything, blacklist orinoco* makes the laptop stop while booting up
08:18<sten>(the wireless was working before the upgrade)
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08:20<locklace>sten: paste output of "cat /proc/net/wireless" and "lspci -knn" at
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08:23<blarson>Since I switched to a 1080p monitor, some applications use a tiny unreadable font, about 4 pixels high. iceweasel is the main one, but some others such as grip do too. Is there any way to get a readable font (perhaps a gnome configuration)? I use olvwm, and have a few gnome/kde applications.
08:26<s_i_m>blarson, xdpyinfo | grep resolution ?
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08:26<locklace>sten: also paste output of "ifconfig eth2", "iwconfig eth2" and "dmesg"
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08:27<blarson>s_i_m: resolution: 23x23 dots per inch
08:27<babilen>sten: You might be interested to "/msg dpkg 70" if you want to change the interface naming. (Once this is done)
08:27<s_i_m>blarson, that is terrible =))
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08:28<blarson>s_i_m: and wrong. 21.6" diagonal 1080p.
08:28<s_i_m>blarson, most likely, your monitor reports wrong resolution
08:29<s_i_m>set it manually in xorg.conf
08:29<s_i_m>and disable EDID
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08:30<sten>locklace: ifconfig/iwconfig: dmesg:
08:30<blarson>s_i_m: thanks
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08:32<locklace>sten: the iwconfig output suggests you're successfully associated to an ap, although the interface has no ip address. is it actually working? can you give it the correct ip address with ifconfig and ping the ap?
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08:33<sten>locklace: I did not set this ssid
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08:34<locklace>sten: can you clear the essid/ap association with iwconfig
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08:34<locklace>sten: or just set it to the right one and see if it works
08:35<sten>locklace: yes, I did clear it with iwconfig eth2 essid any
08:35<sten>locklace: and yes, I can set it manually that way too
08:36<locklace>so does it work when you do that?
08:36<locklace>everything in the output you pasted looks fine, except some tx timeouts in the dmesg
08:37<sten>locklace: I have to test; I had to remove network-manager, because it would cause events/0 to use 70% of cpu when running, and I haven't set all wireless params in a while..
08:37<locklace>it's also kind of weird that you have both the orinoco and hostap modules loaded, you should be using one or the other
08:37<sten>locklace: do you think I should blacklist one? which one?
08:38<locklace>sten: my suggestion is to kill network manager for now and just try to get it working with iwconfig/ifconfig to the point where you can ping the ip address of the ap. if that works, the actual device should be fine
08:38<gsimmons>sten: Usually the orinoco driver; installing hostap-utils will supply a blacklist for you.
08:38<sten>locklace: ok, will try that. thanks for help
08:39<gsimmons>s/hostap-utils/hostap-utils package/
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08:39<sten>gsimmons: good to know. the hostap-utils pkg is not installed, I will do that too
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09:26<dominique>Hi! I have a strange Problem, and i'm looking for a workaround. I'm using debian lenny 5.05 stable. Whenever I connect to the internet through my router, the layout of some of the websites appears to be missing (missing CSS possibly), no matter which web browser I use. When i boot from windows however, the websites appear normal. Last time I posted this in the channel, i was suggested that it was a faulty network, which I confirmed by connecting to in
09:26<dominique>ternet directly without the router, when it worked fine. I cannot stop using the router and can't afford to buy a new one. Is there a workaround?
09:27<sidRo>reconfig your router
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09:27<dominique>i tried resetting the router to factory settings, but the problem persisted!!
09:28<icebrain>but it works on Windows? That's odd
09:28<sidRo>your problem is router config
09:28<dominique>sidRo: okay, what kind of config should I be looking at?
09:28<sidRo>if works without router, router is yours problem
09:29<dominique>sidRo, I confirmed it is the router. Workaround??
09:29<sidRo>open all port in router and try if works
09:30<sidRo>please open 80, 443,8080 ports
09:30<dominique>it's the router, yet works well with plain windows. However, windows in vmware still displays the page with no layout
09:30<dominique>sidRo, i'll try that. brb.
09:30<sidRo>verify if youar adress ip`s is Ok
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09:31<sidRo>verify if yours network adress ar ok
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09:31<icebrain>sidRo: how could it display webpages at all if they weren't?
09:31<icebrain>oi marcio. Só inglês aqui
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09:32<dominique>icebrain, sidro lol!
09:32<Guest26>como faco para falar em um em portuques
09:32<icebrain>Guest26: /j #debian-br
09:32<dominique>okay. I guess opening ports is equivalent to making my lappy's IP a DMZ. it still doesn't work!!
09:33<sidRo>icebrain: if he don`t have set correct yours network have problems
09:33<icebrain>sidRo: the problems would *not working at all*
09:33<icebrain>his problem is way more subtle
09:33<icebrain>I'd ask at ServerFault
09:33<sidRo>i try to help
09:34<sidRo>dominique: all web pacge have same problems?
09:34<s_i_m>dominique, it can be an mtu related problem
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09:36<sidRo>dominique: try to set MTU to 2000 bytes
09:37<sidRo>or 1492 bytes
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09:38<s_i_m>it obviously should be less than the default 1500.
09:39<sidRo>i recommand 1492
09:40<s_i_m>yes, this one is sure better than 2000.
09:40<locklace>dominique: there's no reason your router should have any effect on web page content, unless it's doing something besides routing
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09:42<sidRo>dominique: use you ipv6 or ipv4?
09:43<s_i_m>sidRo knows these words, impressive! =)
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09:50<dominique>sidRo, s_i_m, I tried both 2000 and 1492 MTUs. It doesn't work.
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09:50<s_i_m>dominique, but where did you set them?
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09:52<dominique>s_i_m: /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf and I confirmed it through ifconfig.
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09:53<s_i_m>dominique, what type of connection you have?
09:53<s_i_m>to your ISP?
09:53<dominique>to my ISP, it's static, but I connect to my router using dhcp.
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09:54<s_i_m>static, you mean, a direct Ethernet with a static IP?
09:55<s_i_m>no pptp or pppoe in between?
09:56<dominique>s_i_m, no. It's a weblogin
09:57<WapiFlapi>hum, i justed printed some weird ascii characters, and now my shell is kinda messed up :/ i can type normal letters anymore, any idea how to fixe this ?
09:57<WapiFlapi>*cant type normal letters anymore
09:58<s_i_m>WapiFlapi, type "<return>reset<return>"
09:58<WapiFlapi>wonderfull :) thanks i'll remember that one
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10:01<dominique>err... any more suggestions?
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10:02<s_i_m>dominique, the mtu setting on router's interface must be in sync with what you have on your machine
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10:03<s_i_m>but if you say that you are basically on a switched ethernet, then it is unlikely an mtu issue... unless your router is really fu**d up
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10:04<dominique>s_i_m if I don't supersede the interface MTU, wouldn't it take up the router's MTU setting?
10:05<dominique>s_i_m, I confirmed that my router is fucked up, by connecting to the ISP directly, and it works fine then. It happens to only a few websites like,, for instance. for the rest, it works fine.
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10:07<blarson>bad routers can fu** up mtu discovery. So you may need to force a small mtu. Try 540, if that works but is slow you can increase.
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10:11<s_i_m>blarson, usually that may happen only when there is a network with a smaller mtu in between, the common case is pppoe to ISP.
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10:15<dominique_>suggestions ppl!!
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10:27<cahoot>dominique: those don't resolve?
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10:48<noppe>could someone tell me why xpdf isn't available in testing?
10:49<rudi_s>noppe: There is a bug about it.
10:49<cahoot>!why isn't xpdf in testing
10:49<dpkg>xpdf is not in testing for the reasons listed in
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10:55<noppe>ok, thanks.
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11:10<Drunya>ïðèâåò âñåì
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11:11<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ or use English here.
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11:32<Derric>Hello, anybody home?
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11:37<babilen>No, sorry ... I could go there if it is important though
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11:52<nathan>Ok, I've been trying to figure this out, and really couldn't think of how to phrase is in google. Is there a way to delete a folder that holds everything, and keep the files there?
11:52<nathan>the files and the subfolders
11:53<muep>where would the files then be if you delete the parent directory?
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11:53<nathan>in place of it
11:53<locklace>are you asking how to "mv * .."
11:54<nathan>ah, so that would work?
11:54<nathan>just change the directory to inside the parent and type mv * and it will move all of them where I want them?
11:54<muep>* may sometimes be a bit funny
11:55<nathan>I'll give that a shot
11:55<muep>you can try echo * in the directory to see if it really matches what you want
11:55<muep>then replace it with mv * where/to/move
11:55<babilen>nathan: What do you want to happen if there are identically named files in the directory hierarchy?
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11:56<nathan>there won't be
11:56<babilen>... famous last words :)
11:56<nathan>it's basically a folder that got copied into a folder with nothing in it
11:56<nathan>like it's doubled
11:56<nathan>and I want to get rid of the extra parent
11:57<babilen>nathan: I would use a combination of "find" (type f) and "mv" for that to move all files to a given location
11:57<babilen>nathan: Why don't you just rename the parent and move the child out of it?
11:58<babilen>nathan: assuming you have ./a/a/{a,b,c} and you want that to be ./a/{a,b,c}
11:58<muep>yeah, moving a single directory is a lot less likely to go horribly wrong
11:59<babilen>nathan: the command for my example would be "mv ./a ./b && mv ./b/a ."
12:00<babilen>(the relative paths are not necessary though)
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12:05<s_i_m>at the risk to be flamed, I will say that if one feels not enough accustomed to the command line, there are file managers out there
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12:05<s_i_m>midnight commander, for example
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12:07<babilen>s_i_m: sure - the basic principle remains the same though :)
12:07<babilen>and who would flame you for that?
12:08<s_i_m>well, some people hate mc
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12:24<Derric>Hey everybody, I'm trying to build a kernel that will boot without an initrd.
12:25<Derric>I got the kernel to boot, although I'm using a PS/2 keyboard and mouse attached to the usb port
12:26<Derric>with an adapter, and after the kernel boots, it fails to recognize the keyboard or mouse.
12:26<Derric>Any clue as to what module covers this?
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12:29<cahoot>at a guess usbhid
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12:30<Derric>I think I have that one enabled, alone with a goodly amount of other usb and scci modules.
12:30<Derric>The keyboard and mouse work with the standard debian kernel, it's just my custom one that has an issue.
12:31<cahoot>compare loaded modules?
12:31<Derric>If I could compare the difference in the config files that might be useful, although they're quite large to do by hand.
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12:32<Derric>I'm prevented from getting to the list of loaded modules for the custom kernel.
12:33<babilen>Derric: diff/vimdiff/... ?
12:33<Derric>Although I just thought could plug the keyboard into the ps2 plug on the computer. The usb is just for an cord extension anyway.
12:35<Derric>I can get the list of loaded modules with the keyboard and vanilla kernel, then plug the keyboard into the ps2 port and then get the list for the custom kernel.
12:35<Derric>I'll be back...
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12:43<Derric>Well, here I am on the custom kernel with the kb and mouse plugged into the ps2 ports.
12:43<davi>I have a DVD which support several languages
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12:43<davi>What is the best way to watch it in Debian GNU/Linux ?
12:43<davi> What application support choosing language, subtitles and so on?
12:44<Derric>mplayer of course
12:44<Derric>mplayer the best!
12:44<davi>thanks Derric
12:45<Derric>I got the module lists now I can compare!
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12:51<s_i_m>davi, you will most likely want a front-end to it too, smplayer is a good one.
12:51<babilen>davi: I typically use VLC - It has superb DVD support (You might want to install libdvdcss2 though)
12:52<babilen>!tell davi -about dvd playback
12:52<babilen>!tell davi -about libdvdcss
12:53<s_i_m>babilen, btw, because i do not use vlc much, what is better there with respect to DVD playback? Menu support?
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12:54<babilen>I am quite happy with VLC+libdvdcss ... Haven't had many discs that i could not pursuade to play ... Menu support is quite good ...
12:54<babilen>I am still furious about regions though (but that is not a linux/debian problem)
12:55<jhutchins_lt>babilen: Is there a way around regions in linux?
12:56<jhutchins_lt>babilen: I haven't used it for playing DVD's much.
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12:57<babilen>jhutchins_lt: It is mostly not a software, but rather a hardware issue. You typically have to flash "multi-region" firmware to your DVD in order to circumvent region protection. This is not possible after you have set your drive to a specific region though. Most Linux players don't respect the software region checks ... so they are not problematic
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12:58<jhutchins_lt>babilen: So do PC DVD drives have this problem/feature?
12:59<babilen>yes they do have that "feature"
12:59<babilen>locklace: thanks - just wanted to search for that
12:59<jhutchins_lt>The players tend to ignore it though, right.
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13:00<jhutchins_lt>locklace: Good reference, thanks.
13:00<jhutchins_lt>I kindof understand regionality, especially when it comes to broadcast programming, but it shouldn't apply to DVD sales.
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13:02<troulouliou>Hi each time i mount en external ext3 hard disk it is mounted read only , the only way i ve found actually it is to mount it manually via mount and then running nautilus as root , can sombody explains me how to mount it normally under gnome
13:02<babilen>jhutchins_lt: I hate it - I have bought DVDs in Asia, Europe and America .... can't play them all on my computer.
13:02<babilen>america → usa (sorry for that)
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13:06<jhutchins_lt>babilen: You can play 'em w/ Linux though, right?
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13:07<davi>thanks babilen & s_i_m
13:07<babilen>No, i can't. They refuse to be read because my drive is set to one of the applicable regions (i.e. 3 - SE Asia)
13:08<babilen>Which means that I can't play DVDs from Europe (region 1) or the USA (region 1)
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13:09<jhutchins_lt>babilen: Ah, so you need a drive that's capable of ignoring the region code, or that can be made to ignore it.
13:09<davi>What about using an ISO DVD image?
13:09<jhutchins_lt>babilen: That or a stack o' drives, one for each region.
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13:09<davi> and so bypass the hardware check?
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13:10<babilen>jhutchins_lt: exactly - you can flash some drives (whose region has not yet been set) with "multi-region" firmware as supplied by ..
13:10<babilen>davi: I can't get the DVD image if I can't read the DVD (I/O error for cp/dd/...)
13:11<davi>I see
13:11<babilen>It's been a while since I've investigated the situation and concluded that DVD regions are evil and that there is no way to get around it ..
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13:12<davi>So, if we have already the ISO we can just mount it in /mnt/ and play the .file ?
13:12<babilen>I might be able to flash my drive with different firmware (but last time a checked there was no firmware for my drive and it was not possible after it was set to a region)
13:12<babilen>davi: sure
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13:13<davi>babilen, I would like be a Debian developer. It is possible be able to be a Debian developer in 6 months of work. I have a Master degree and 16 years of professional experience. Also I am a user of Debian since more than 10.
13:13<davi>A mentor I have read is what I need
13:14<babilen>davi: The easiest way to become a developer is to start fixing RC bugs in Debian and get your patches applied. Familiarise yourself with the packaging system (/msg dpkg nmg) and start packaging software and have it sponsored by a DD.
13:15<davi>I see, but is it possible to complete the process in 6 months?
13:16<davi> what is your personal opinion?
13:16<jhutchins_lt>davi: Depends entirely on your talent.
13:16<babilen>davi: Why would you want to impose such an arbitrary constraint on the application process? I am not sure if 6 months is enough time ...
13:16<babilen>it could happen though
13:17<jhutchins_lt>!tell davi about mentors
13:17<davi>because I have such constraint, later I will have a little less time to do the effort to get the goal
13:18<jhutchins_lt>davi: It's not like a certification. You're a developer if you're actively doing development work. If you're not, you're not.
13:18<davi>thanks jhutchins
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13:18<jhutchins_lt>davi: You can also work on other projects outside Debian.
13:18<davi>jhutchins, I know one Debian developer who is only little active and he follow voting and so on
13:19<davi>I have already worked on other projects outside Debian
13:19<davi>What Debian attract me is its democratic system, which IMHO is basic to do a good community management
13:20<davi>Thanks, I will follow thinking about it, as I have done since more than N years ago
13:22<jhutchins_lt>I had gotten to the point of contributing documentation on another distro, but the community climate was just poisonous, and they wrecked the distro trying to "keep up with Ubuntu".
13:22<jhutchins_lt>Still getting up to speed on Debian.
13:23<davi>Ubuntu is the wrong way to follow for a contributor
13:23<davi>They are building the business architecture to get from us and ...
13:23<davi>Ubuntu is a no way
13:24<troulouliou>davi: actually installing one for my wife :)
13:24<davi>One of the problem of Debian is that maybe too much Debian developers are Ubuntu employer now ;)
13:24<davi>troulouliou, I have installed one Ubuntu for my brother :) but
13:25<davi>that does not change the facts.
13:25<s_i_m>well, that is not a real problem.
13:25<davi>The good thing is that Debian can _take over_ Ubuntu at any time if Debian is rightly managed
13:25<s_i_m>the real problem is when the key software is under control of some organizations.
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13:26<davi>s_i_m, That is the main problem, but in the wold there are a lot of problems, and another one is Ubuntu directing users to the wrong way at the same time that setting the path to capitalise form others works
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13:30<troulouliou>would like to know , people here prefer deluge or vuze for a complete GUI bittorent client ?
13:31<davi>ktorrent here
13:31<s_i_m>davi, that is how GPL works (capitalize on "others" if you wish, but share the code)
13:31<davi>s_i_m, The problem is when not all is GPL
13:32<babilen>davi: Just keep in mind that Debian is a do-ocracy .. Which basically means that whoever does a job first has done the job and is allowed to take decisions. If your contributions to Debian are good and you have expressed your wish to become a DD or DM to your sponsor you might be granted the rights to maintain packages yourself (without a sponsor). As long as you continue that work you are a DM/DD, once you stop you are retiring from the ...
13:32<babilen>... Debian project.
13:32<troulouliou>davi: not GPL is mandatory sometimes , at least for me ,
13:33<davi>troulouliou, There are special cases, yes
13:34<davi>babilen, but I have not known any Debian develpers who has lost such tag and right to vote due to not being active
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13:37<babilen>davi: That is a drastic step and DDs are supposed to retire themselves. I think that if a developer is MIA for a long time the QA team might start to orphan his/her packages and ultimately remove DD status by removing his/her key from the keyring ... (and other things like logins, ...)
13:38<babilen>But that is speculation as I have never witnessed such a process. The fact/goal that you are a DD as long as you are maintaining packages/doing good work for the project remains.
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13:38<davi>ack, babilen
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13:39<s_i_m>is there a statistic showing how many packages in Debian are maintained by DDs and how many by other maintainers?
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13:40<davi>Release Critical Bugs: Number concerning the next release: 496
13:41<davi>and going down.
13:41<davi>s_i_m, I do not know how to get such statistic
13:42<babilen>davi: The best thing you could do right now is to fix lots of RC bugs and have patches uploaded by a suitable sponsor (ask in #debian-mentors or specific channel like #debian-python) ... check
13:42<davi>thanks babilen
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13:44<babilen>davi: There is one going on in munich these days ... you might want to find out if they have an IRC channel
13:44<babilen>davi: one == bug squashing party :)
13:44<troulouliou>does many people have gnome-panel hanging on gnome start ?
13:45<bartm>troulouliou: "hanging" for how long?
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13:45<troulouliou>bartm: infinitely if i start somethif like gnoe-terminel from the panel
13:45<troulouliou>never if i wait 2 - 5 minutes aftr start
13:46<bartm>sounds like a bug
13:46<davi>babilen, thanks, reading
13:46<davi> IRC would be a must
13:46<troulouliou>yes , but it is here for a while , and i cannot find the bug in the tracker
13:47<bartm>troulouliou: using testing ? or stable ?
13:47<troulouliou>bartm: testing
13:47<troulouliou>i just spoke with somebedy here 1 ùmonth ago that had the same problem
13:47<troulouliou>sorry for mystyping :(
13:47<babilen>troulouliou: any errors in ~/.xsession-errors ?
13:48<babilen>troulouliou: Does the same happen with an empty profile? (i.e. move .gnome* aside) or a new/different user?
13:49<troulouliou>just one warning/ ( error ) (polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1:3433): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: cannot register existing type `_PolkitError
13:49<troulouliou>babilen: did not try but i expect also an upgrade uncompatible confguration because a friend of mine have just installed a testing box for him and he does not have that problem
13:50<davi>babilen, Is there a #debian channel for bug squashing parties, as i do not see one at
13:50<troulouliou>will ry know
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13:50<bartm>davi: maybe you're looking for #debian-bugs
13:50<babilen>troulouliou: thank you - Just "mv .gnome2{,_bkp}" and "mv .gnome2_private{,_bkp}"
13:50<bartm>davi: but I don't know whether that channel is being used by that bsp
13:51<davi>ok ok
13:51<babilen>Just ask in there - they most likely know if the folks hanging around in munich created a specific channel ..
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13:54<davi>thanks babilen
13:54<davi>I will try to start with one easy to solve
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13:55<babilen>davi: You probably want to read the nmg first. It introduces a couple of tools you have to know ("devscripts" package) and the basic procedure of packaging.
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13:56<davi>thanks babilen
13:56<babilen>good luck ;)
13:56<troulouliou>babilen: i have created a new user and i have the same problem
13:56<babilen>troulouliou: What a pity :)
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13:57<troulouliou>when i click on he gnome-terminal shortcut i have added to the panel , then gnome*-panel hangs
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13:57<troulouliou>just a bad period for gnome-panel , have seen worst for nautilus in testing
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13:57<babilen>troulouliou: Well, I'm definitely not the best person to help you with debugging gnome related issues. You might want to contact #gnome on ..
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14:06<troulouliou>how one can integrated the wpa deamon of network manager ith wpa_gui command line
14:07<troulouliou>when i start wpa_gui it does not connect to the wpasupplicant deamon startd by network manager
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14:08<babilen>troulouliou: If you use network-manager there is not need (and no way) to use wpa_gui. Why don't you use the n-m GUI?
14:09<troulouliou>it does not detect my hidden AP
14:09<troulouliou>wicd not always also , the only way i have found is to start wpa_supplicant manualy with a custom config file
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14:11<babilen>troulouliou: Well, then ditch n-m or wicd altogether and just use wpasupplicant
14:11<babilen>or unhide your AP :)
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14:13<troulouliou>babiln: what i ve done :)
14:14<babilen>troulouliou: What?
14:15<troulouliou>using only wpa_suppicant
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14:16<babilen>good choice - is it working?
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14:18<troulouliou>but when switchng often from wifi to wired , it is not a nice confguration
14:20<felixs>troulouliou: how do you switch from wifi to wired?
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14:21<troulouliou>kill wpa_supplicant
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14:21<troulouliou>then pu my eth0 cable
14:21<felixs>troulouliou: ouch. why dont you use ifupdown?
14:22<troulouliou>felixs: mmm , forgot :)
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14:22<troulouliou>how is it used ; with /etc/init.dnetxork restart ?
14:23<felixs>i use ifup wlan0 to start my wlan interface (and wpa-supplicant as well).
14:23<felixs>this is triggered by enabling the wlan hardware
14:24<felixs>and then ifdown wlan0 is triggered, when i enable the killswitch (that is how its called, right?)
14:24<troulouliou>felixs: looks nice
14:24<felixs>which wlan chip do you have?
14:24<troulouliou>all your ocnfifguration is located in /etc/network/ ?
14:25<felixs>basically /etc/network/interfaces
14:25<troulouliou>iwl 3945
14:26<troulouliou>thabks i m actually gooogling on it
14:27<felixs>troulouliou: see #585173 (wishlist item)
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14:27<felixs>troulouliou: makes life easier
14:27<babilen>dpkg: dbugs #585173
14:27<dpkg>#585173:W[ifupdown] ifupdown: wkan rf killswitch doesnt trigger ifup/down (); Wed, 09 Jun 2010 19:18:01 UTC []
14:28<felixs>okay, s/wkan/wlan/
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14:30<troulouliou>felixs: when using externall gui tools , one should only have auto xxx in terfaes right ?
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14:32<felixs>troulouliou: i don't know. auto is a synonym for allow-auto.
14:32<babilen>troulouliou: For wicd you would want /e/n/i to contain only "auto lo" and "iface lo inet loopback"
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14:33<felixs>troulouliou: basically anything may call ifup --allow=auto, the problem is, how to trigger it
14:33<troulouliou>ha maybe then the errors are there
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14:56<babilen>davi: another tool you might be interested in is "rc-alert" it lists all rc bugs of packages you have installed
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15:02<davi>babilen, I am using Debian squeeze so good hint thanks
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15:12<davi>babilen, Lots of them have been fixed in new version or have a patch or are already being worked out by ...
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15:12<babilen>davi: are you using lenny?
15:12<davi>Debian squeeze
15:13<davi>full-upgraded updated today
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15:14<babilen>ah, ok ... well your best bet is the bts listing on turmzimmer
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15:16<babilen>gah - bad reception at home :)
15:16<davi>I am going to claim 589344
15:16<babilen>dpkg: dbugs 589344
15:16<dpkg>#589344:S[libntrack0] missing symbols in library (); Fri, 16 Jul 2010 19:48:05 UTC []
15:17<davi>yep, something not too much complex to start
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15:18<babilen>have fun! :)
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15:18<babilen>and thank you for your work
15:18<davi>thanks to you for you support
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15:22<cobexer>hi!, i experience an apache crash and want to find out why it crashes - but im new to debian and need help getting the debug symbols/sources - I'm familar with debugging but not with debian =/ please help
15:22<babilen>davi: Make sure that adding libnl-dev to build-deps really is preferred to fixing the source code (i.e. the ifdevs)
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15:25<davi>ack babilen
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15:27<cobexer>i have now found the debug symbols for php itself, but there is suhosin on the stack - but i can't find debug symbols for it anywhere, how am i supposed to install them?
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15:30<icebrain>hi octal
15:30<simNIX>I tried switching from Lenny to Squeeze. As soon as I add vlan's in /etc/network/interfaces and restart network my box chrashes to never start up again until with live cd i remove the lines for vlan. At boot it already crashes then. What tool(s) can I use to record during boot what is going on to make a usefull report ?
15:30<octal>Hi, icebrain.
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15:32<felixs>simNIX: remove the 'auto' lines from interfaces. then check which interface in particular makes trouble
15:33<simNIX>intterface as in what brand / type nic ?
15:33<felixs>simNIX: /etc/network/interfaces
15:34<simNIX>and the ifup one by one ?
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15:34<simNIX>ok uncoment all, add on, restart
15:34<felixs>that would be my first check, yes
15:35<simNIX>wil try; as it chrashes during boot is there another way then a serial console to dump output crahs ?
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15:37<icebrain>maybe netconsole
15:37<dpkg>netconsole is a Linux kernel driver which logs kernel <printk> messages over UDP. It is commonly used to capture system crash information.
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15:40<cobexer>could someone please help me debug a php5 crash? i can't seem to get the sources installed correctly
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15:42<cobexer>i installed them using apt-get source php5 and moved them where gdb expected them - but gdb doesn't use them
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---Logopened Sat Jul 17 16:36:14 2010
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17:37<gnufan>oops - going from lenny to squeeze - should pay more attention to dpkg lenny->squeeze .... lost somewhere in between waiting for aptitude safe-upgrade to reach a conclusion....
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17:39<simNIX>Im getting a crash as soon as I enable vlan device in my fresh squeeze. more details and a console dump of output crash at boot is at
17:40<simNIX>on lenny vlan with this hardware works ok
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17:48<jhutchins_lt>simNIX: So if lenny works, why are you messing with squeeze?
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17:49<simNIX>and it has from some programs a later version which has more options
17:49<jhutchins_lt>Congratulations! You found one!
17:49<simNIX>k - then ill take time to report it
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17:50<simNIX>reading up on how best
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18:16<inosis># Channel
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18:32<gnufan>After "aptitude safe-upgrade" said it has 260000 open, I got bored. apt-get update offered to just update anything which is newer -- it'll do that in the time aptitude spent thinking about what it could do. Surely a bug here... nothing in system admin should require that much computer time to think about.
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19:40<mercutio22>Is anyone here on an Eee PC? My media keys are gone. I can't remember what I had to do to grub to get them
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19:53<CngZ>my firewire connected external hard drive is'nt detected by squeeze, I got only "Jul 18 01:38:34 elea kernel: [105102.224058] firewire_core: phy config: card 0, new root=ffc1, gap_count=5" repeated 3 times in my syslog, someone have an information about the firewire ?
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20:18<CngZ>found ... I got NForce2 chipset that is not supported by the new firewire stack ....
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20:20<beltran>pardon me but has anyone had issues with there mouse after installing sugar?
20:21<beltran>im just asking cuz i did, then figured it out and now i want to help others :) it would make me feel good and forget my issues with openbsd111
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20:51<Golf>Hi all, currently dist-upgrade'ing my system and need (one day) to recompile my kernel. But I'm willing to forgo an udev upgrade this time...
20:52<Golf>is there a way to "deselect" the udev package from the apt-get dist-upgrade command at the command line?
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20:53<rijo>echo "udev hold" | dpkg --set-selections
20:53<rijo>then du
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20:54<Golf>rijo I guess that would alter some files, right?
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20:54<rijo>that will just prevent udev from being upgraded but i'm not sure thats such a good idea..
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20:55<Golf>haha, I agree, but since the rest of the system seems fine (is fine even) and I will recompile in the near future....
20:55<rijo>and when you want to reverse it: echo “udev install” | dpkg --set-selections
20:55<Golf>ah :-)
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20:55<Golf>Thanks mate
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21:00<Golf>its installing like crazy :-) Wheee! :-)
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21:10<Golf>rijo: all but one upgraded successfully (excluding the udev) so I guess I'm having a good day thanks to you mate! :-)
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21:16<Golf>Now to undo the hold and next time I'll be a good boy and upgrade my kernel (well, most probebly) Thanks mate, me is off to reboot!
21:16<Golf>have fun all :-)
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23:01<chip9>Is the iceweasel plugin directory created by default when iceweasel is installed?
23:01<chip9>because says it's in /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins but that path does not exist.
23:03<sney>is there a /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins ?
23:04<sney>I think that's the real one. the wiki must be outdated
23:06<chip9>curses.... a user trying to read the docs. :)
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23:12<craigevil> /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins exists if you have iceweasel installed
23:14<chip9>Nope. The only directory with plugins in the name under iceweasel is "searchplugins". I got my plugin in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins working tho
23:15<chip9>*for unstable I should clarify
23:15<sney>ah, sid
23:15<sney>yes, sid often has things that are different and you shouldn't expect the wiki to apply all the time
23:17<craigevil> /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins and /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
23:17<chip9>I have a lenny system without 'plugins' too though
23:17<chip9>ooops scratch that.
23:17<chip9>Must have switched that one to unstable in the wee hours one night too
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