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#debian IRC Logs for 2010-07-20

---Logopened Tue Jul 20 00:00:08 2010
00:01<frobe>im sure youve all seen this bit it still funny:
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00:04<frobe>nothing as funny as a monkey smoking a cigerett, if so prove it... Click here:>
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00:09<twb>Can I set the debconf front end (to "STFU and don't EVER prompt me") via an apt.conf entry?
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00:11<dondelelcaro>twb: set the default frontend to the noninteractive one
00:11<twb>Yeah, but what's the option? I can't see it in "apt-config dump"
00:12<dondelelcaro>twb: dpkg-reconfigure debconf; set the frontend to non-interactive
00:12<dondelelcaro>(doesn't have anything to do with apt-get itself)
00:12<twb>OK, so I have to do it with a preseed.
00:12<twb>I was hoping I could do it with a file
00:13<dondelelcaro>or you can do it via an env variable
00:13<dondelelcaro>!real question
00:13<dpkg>Please tell us what the real problem is instead of wasting our time asking questions about things that you think are related to the problem. If you don't, you're just wasting your time and ours. [Far too often what you think is related to the problem actually isn't or won't help you solve your problem at all.], or see <xyproblem>
00:13<twb>Yeah, sorry.
00:13<dondelelcaro>twb: also, see man 5 debconf.conf
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00:14<twb>I have scripts that build SOEs (a la live-helper), where I don't have direct access to the apt-get command being run. When I install xdm and remove gdm, I can't stop it prompting me interactively via preseeding, so I'm trying to just turn of debconf's interactive UI for that one apt run.
00:15<dondelelcaro>twb: but the apt-get call is a child process of the script, right?
00:15<twb>Kiiiinda; it does some hairy chroot(2) calls and suchlike
00:16<twb>I suppose I could wrap it in a let-env
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00:22<reisio>typical Debian desktop installation size?
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00:23<reisio>say with GNOME or KDE
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00:24<twb>reisio: one DE will fit easily into 2GB
00:24<blarson>I'd like to mount a bunch of CD images. Currently, only 8 loop devices are allowed. Can this be increased? I see loop is a module in my kernel, is there an argument at modload time to increase the number of loop devices?
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00:26<tomg>blarson: modprobe loop max_loop=255
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00:26<blarson>tomg: thanks
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00:26<tomg>blarson: taken from the comment on /usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.27/drivers/block/loop.c on my computer ;-) though I expected to find something in the appropriate kernel-doc package first
00:28<dondelelcaro>yeah, I don't know why the maxloop is still 8
00:29<twb>Obviously because it saves 4kB of kernel memory on embedded devices :P
00:29<dondelelcaro>(or even, honestly, why it can't automatically scale to larger numbers of loopback devices)
00:29<twb>blarson: you can just put "loop max_loop=N" in /etc/modules where it currently just says "loop"
00:29<twb>blarson: you'll need to bounce the machine, or at least remove and reinsert the module, though
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00:30<SoloFlyer>so ive done a pretty basic fresh install of 505 on a toshiba libretto using grub2 reboot post install and grub cant find the boot file system, in the grub console root tells me that hd0,1 the ext2 boot partition is fat... and that it cant read it
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00:31<tomg>er, uhm, I mean /names *
00:31<twb>dondelelcaro: thanks, I got what I wanted via environment variables. Dunno why I was fixating on files.
00:31<twb>(with-env (("DEBIAN_FRONTEND" "noninteractive")) (change-packages #f #f #f #f '((concurrently (install (name xdm)) (purge (name gdm))))))
00:31<dondelelcaro>twb: cool
00:32<SoloFlyer>booted in to recovery console and grub-probe /boot/ -t fs tells me its fat...
00:32<SoloFlyer>any thoughts??
00:33<blarson>twb: rmmod & modprobe worked, yes I know to put in /etc/modules
00:33<twb>blarson: cool, I didn't think it did.
00:34<twb>blarson: probably because whenever I run into it, I've got a bunch of lazy umounts using loop so I can't rmmod it.
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00:40<SoloFlyer>4 days to debcamp!
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00:42<grzeslaw>when I trying to compile my bnx2 module from source. i got the error: /usr/src/netextreme- in function #bnx2_set_rx_mode#: what can it be?
00:43<SoloFlyer>grzeslaw: more information?
00:44<securityxxxpert>man I am not getting a break with Debian..I have no idea why it wasn't to kick me in the nuts repeatidly
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00:45<securityxxxpert>anyone have any idea wth it's saying cryptsetup: source device /dev/sda2 not found
00:46<sney>I guess it can't find /dev/sda2.
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00:48<securityxxxpert>sney: I'm really wondering how that is because when Installed it to that drive it worked fine. Now all of a sudden it's not
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00:48<sney>sometimes the device names change. the kernel currently treats all block devices as sd* so if you connected something else, like a usb drive, it might have taken /dev/sda for itself.
00:49<sney>dpkg: uuid
00:49<sney>oh, it quit. dang
00:50<sney>doing fdisk -l will show you what devices are currently connected, you should be able to find the correct one by how big it is/the partition table
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00:52<securityxxxpert>so it could be something as simple as removing a usb drive
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00:53<SoloFlyer>make sure that the drive you want is actually still called /dev/sda2
00:54<securityxxxpert>SoloFlyer: it is. I removed the thumb drive connected to my pc and it booted up fine
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00:54<SoloFlyer>tada! :)
00:54<dpkg>[uuid] Universally Unique IDentifier, used to reference disk partitions (among other things). See currently known partition UUIDs with `blkid'. In /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. Helps to cope with device name changes such as hda->sda (<libata> transition) or changes in USB disk order discovery. <LVM> tools accept PV/VG/LV UUIDs as arguments, use {pv,vg,lv}display to acquire.
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00:58<securityxxxpert>now if only I could get my creative XFI sound card to work i'll almost be set
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01:06<blarson>!tell securityxxxpert about XFI
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01:10<tomg>So... is xlife the only version of John Conway's Game of Life in Debian?
01:10<twb>Emacs has a version, I think
01:10<tomg>okay, thanks :-) there was also zivot in previous version
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01:11<twb>apt-cache search
01:11<tomg>I wrote my own a while back and it's better than zivot so ... maybe I ought to package it
01:11<twb>zivot's still there
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01:12<tomg>This shows Golly as a Game of Life too, in ... I'd use apt-cache search if I was actually running Debian 5.0 :-o
01:12<SoloFlyer>looks like a found the solution to my problem of grub2 detecting ext2 as fat (
01:13<twb>grub is too damn clever for its own good
01:14<SoloFlyer>twb or in this case not quite clever enough... :P
01:15<twb>I like HPA's work because it's dumb
01:16<twb>It doesn't try to auto-detect at install time what "modules" it needs
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01:19<twb>I especially like that its MBR is completely static
01:20<SoloFlyer>hmm hows that work?
01:20<twb>It simply bootstraps the first partition marked bootable
01:20<twb>i.e. the equivalent of grub stage 2
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01:21<SoloFlyer>ahh so its also pretty basic...
01:21<twb>Whereas grub tries to install a bunch of modules into the MBR and find the appropriate PBR based on a static and a bunch of other insane shit
01:22<tomg>twb: LILO doesn't need partitions marked bootable, I think you're thinking of DOS/Debian MBR
01:22<twb>LILO works by remembering a block offset in the MBR
01:22<twb>I'm talking about hpa's syslinux family, not LILO
01:23<twb>Which you can use right now in squeeze, although ext4 and btrfs /boot is experimental, and d-i doesn't support it at all yet.
01:27<tomg>So, Syslinux for normal system booting?
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01:28<twb>tomg: yes
01:29<simar>Hi I'm a new user. Currently i'm running Ubuntu. I want to know how debian sponser for severs and other affairs?
01:30<SoloFlyer>^ yeah what he said...
01:30<dondelelcaro>simar: it's not quite clear what you're asking
01:31<tomg>Simar: Debian is supported by the legal entity of Software in the Public Interest, Inc.
01:35<SoloFlyer>twb: right so SYSLINUX for booting from fat and EXTLINUX for booting for EXT2/3/4 btrfs
01:36<securityxxxpert>SoloFlyer: I take surround sound is a pain in the ass in Debian?
01:37<SoloFlyer>securityxxxpert: dunno never tried...
01:37<simonrvn>it is? WorksHere
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01:39<SoloFlyer>quick google makes it look pretty easy...
01:39<simonrvn>because it is
01:39<SoloFlyer>well there you go ;)
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01:46<SoloFlyer>twb: im a fan ;)
01:48<prem>hi there any applciation in debian to do photo fun., like
01:48<prem>i didnt find any such option in f-spot..any other application..!?
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02:51<josip_broz>i downloaded debian netinstall but i don't see ext4 as filesystem offered in install? how can i get installer with ext4
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02:52<SoloFlyer>ext4 isnt offered as part of stable you could try the nightly builds of the squeeze installer
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02:53<SoloFlyer>no problem
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02:53<josip_broz>SoloFlyer: could you please please
02:54<josip_broz>provide me with a link
02:54<josip_broz>i'm very confused
02:54<SoloFlyer>Sure :)
02:54<josip_broz>there are "many options" i'm bit lost
02:54<josip_broz>thank you
02:54<josip_broz>very much
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02:55<twb>josip_broz: ?
02:55<SoloFlyer>that would be it ;)
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02:57<SoloFlyer>or if you want gui
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03:00<josip_broz>thank you
03:00<josip_broz>very much
03:01<josip_broz>thank you all
03:01<josip_broz>the best community
03:01<josip_broz>of open source
03:01<dpkg>I'm not your csh prompt!
03:02<SoloFlyer>no problem ;)
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03:06<securityxxxpert>anybody know a good audio card to get for linux that supports surround sound? I'm tired of screwing with my XFI
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03:08<SoloFlyer>securityxxxpert: creative open sourced the xfi driver you shouldnt be having problems...
03:08<securityxxxpert>SoloFlyer: still am. I got sound with alsa, but not surround sound
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03:09<securityxxxpert>SoloFlyer: you got a link to the open sourced xfi driver
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03:12<securityxxxpert>SoloFlyer: ty i'll check it out
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03:13<SoloFlyer>securityxxxpert: bear in mind there might be more up to date version of that driver
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03:16<SoloFlyer>Thankyou! :)
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04:20<czbird>hello everyone,anybody can talk with me?
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04:21<smv>!ask czbird
04:21<smv>dpkg, ask
04:21<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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04:23<czbird>smv where is this irc's country
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04:23<czbird>SMV The IRC which country?
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04:24<smv>i think it depends on the server, as many servers are linked togheter to form the network, OFTC being one of the many irc networks
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04:25<jmm>smv: you're connected to some Texas oftc server is seems.
04:25<jmm>eww I mean czbird .
04:26<smv>czbird, i suppose you chould ask in #oftc for more info about the network, or read the info on
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04:27<czbird>AND what are your country?
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04:28<dpkg>experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section of the Developer's Reference.
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04:31<EmleyMoor>I want to go back to some previous backported packages, but can't find the relevant .deb files. Where might I get them from?
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04:39<gsimmons>EmleyMoor: The snapshot archive at includes packages.
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04:59<EmleyMoor>gsimmons: Thanks - found it and rolled back what I needed to
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05:32<Nazcafan>hey, I am uprading an grub is asking me to choose my boot devices
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05:32<Nazcafan>currently it offers me two choices /dev/sda and /dev/sda1
05:32<Nazcafan>is it a good option to choose both of them?
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05:33<kooll>Nazcafan: if you don't know, you very very probably want /dev/sda
05:34<Nazcafan>bloody hell, I pressed OK while trying to unselect /dev/sda1
05:37<slush>Nazcafan: dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc
05:39<Nazcafan>slush, no, it doesn't ask the same question
05:39<Nazcafan>ah yes !
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05:41<ellk>mon service ipv6 ne demarre pas
05:41<ellk>j'ai fais des config dans /etc/sysctl.conf
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05:42<ellk>que pui-je faire?
05:42<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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06:56<siol>anyone here>>
06:57<petemc>this channel can be quiet but if you ask a question regarding debian it will likely get answered
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07:06<ae86-drifter>hi, i just put a 1TB drive formatted to ext3 and i cannot access it, but nautulis says under 'places' that there is a 931GB disk there, when i click on it, it says i do not have permission to mount it
07:06<petemc>chown it to your user
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07:06<ae86-drifter>petemc chown /dev/hdb1 ?
07:06<smv>or add it to /etc/fstab
07:06<jm_>or edit fstab and add "user" or "users" mount option
07:07<ae86-drifter>i added it to fstab, but it did not work, i followed the same convention as the / entry in fstab
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07:07<jm_>that won't allow you to mount stuff as non-root
07:08<ae86-drifter>ill try to chown it
07:08<jm_>people driving ae86 should stick to 20M MFM disks :)
07:10<ae86-drifter>lol, yeah if i knew what that was, i just did chown [username] /dev/sda1 and it still gives me the same message
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07:11<jm_>you need it in fstab (with the right option) if you want to mount it as non-root
07:11<ae86-drifter>"Cannot Mount volume. You are not priveleged to mount this volume."
07:11<jm_>that might be some gnome stuff, not familiar with that
07:12<dpkg>[gnome-volume-manager] a package for gnome users that will automount removable volumes. aptitude install gnome-volume-manager pmount ; adduser username plugdev ; you will have to log out and back in before it works or ask me about <gnome>, <pmount>, <automount>
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07:12<jm_>try the plugdev group thing
07:12<ae86-drifter>okay i'll make changs to fstab, do i need to reboot to apply the changes?
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07:13<jm_>no, but I doubt it'll help, better try the plugdev stuff first
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07:13<ae86-drifter>should i have users as the only option or users,auto ?
07:13<ae86-drifter>okay i will try it now
07:14<jm_>auto means it's mounted at boot
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08:04<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <>.
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08:07<metalqga>I've got a problem with a external usb 2 hdd... the read/write rate is very low (about 1mb/s) and it uses 100% of the cpu (dual core). Any suggestions are welcomed!
08:07<metalqga>forgot to mention debian lenny
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08:08<jm_>metalqga: usb 2-1: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2 - is that it?
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08:10<metalqga>actually it is in the beginning of the paste
08:10<metalqga>it first says high speed
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08:10<metalqga>then low speed
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08:11<jm_>that's why it's slow
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08:12<metalqga>yes, how can I force it to use usb2 speeds?
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08:13<jm_>probably best to ask LKML and include kernel info with usb_debug and usb_storage_debug options enabled
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08:23<metalqga>found a similar bug on ubuntu: followed the solution: rmmod ehci_hcd then modprobe ehci_hcd; now it's working full speed...
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08:24<metalqga>thanks for the replies jm_
08:25<jm_>heh interesting
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08:27<fbnsouza>yam stay with problem to configure Shell to language pt-br, over backtrack4
08:28<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
08:30<fbnsouza>ok tanks...
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09:38<Zathraz>Hi. I want to setup sudoers in such a way that user x can run access files in directory a,b,c as user y. So I entered in /etc/sudoers: x ALL=(y) NPPASSWD: a, b, c
09:39<Zathraz>however this seems to get ignored. What am I doing wrong?
09:39<jpinx-eeepc>Zathraz: not reading man sudo ?
09:39<Zathraz>for instance su - x followed by sudo ls a : I get asked for a password
09:40<jpinx-eeepc>Zathraz: how did you edit /etc/sudoers?
09:40<Zathraz>jpinx-eeepc, I did read that, but probably made a mistake. With visudo of course
09:41<jpinx-eeepc>Zathraz: it's all in man sudoers, including examples
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09:42<Zathraz>yes, but nothing explicit on directories so I defined it as: /etc/mydir/* for example
09:43<Zathraz>I copied a line from a sudoers file on another server (etch) to a new one (lenny). Same line however it does not work on the new box
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09:48<Zathraz>besides the obvious "it's all in the manuals" any hints on what I am doing wrong?
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09:56<locklace>!es cyc
09:56<dpkg>cyc: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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09:57<cyc><cyc> hello
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09:57<moldovean>cyc is a bot
09:58<babilen>Zathraz: You made sure that the directory name ended with a "/" ?
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09:59<babilen>Zathraz: And you are aware that by giving a directory as Cmnd that you allow the execution of all commands within that directory, not access to that directory
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10:01<cyc>Hello swots
10:01<Zathraz>babilen, yes, it's a directory with custom scripts needed for backup purposes, so this is quite intentionally
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10:02<cyc>hello boys and girls
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10:04<babilen>Zathraz: So, do you specify the directory as a fully qualified path that ends with "/"?
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10:04<Zathraz>tried that, also tried /*
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10:04<Zathraz>but I think the problem is more basic. For instance an other config line reads:
10:05<Zathraz>bacula ALL=NOPASSWD: /etc/firebird/2.0/SYSDBA.password
10:05<Zathraz>for which I expect the user bacula to have read access to the specified file without asking for a password
10:05<Zathraz>yet: [sudo] password for bacula
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10:07<Zathraz>must be something trivial wrong, but what....
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10:09<babilen>hmm, that line is correct at least :-\
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10:10<Zathraz>I do not use sudo that much. iirc from the past it is very sensitive for tabs, spaces, filerights, etc. Right? Might be something there? I used spaces
10:11<babilen>should be tabs IRC
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10:13<Zathraz>now full line (inc. tabs) reads: bacula ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/smartctl, /etc/firebird/2.0/SYSDBA.password, /etc/bacula/extra-scripts/, /etc/bacula/extra-scripts2/
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10:14<Zathraz>still asks for pwd
10:15<Zathraz>it's also the only uncommented line besides the default lines in the /etc/sudoers file
10:15<babilen>Not sure if it is necessary, but you might have to call those commands with their full path ... argh, I'm just eduguessing here ..
10:16<Zathraz>bacula@gaz:~$ sudo less /etc/firebird/2.0/SYSDBA.password <--- asks for pwd
10:17<felixs>Zathraz: use visudo to edit sudoers. it does a quick sanity check. (if you are not using it already)
10:17<Zathraz>I am using it already :-(
10:18<felixs>Zathraz: what is 'less' supposed to do in "bacula@gaz:~$ sudo less /etc/firebird/2.0/SYSDBA.password" ?
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10:18<Zathraz>cat the txt file
10:19<felixs>the full line in your sudoers doesnt contain 'less'
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10:19<babilen>Zathraz: The command you are executing is "less"
10:20<babilen>but i'm off for a coffee ....
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10:21<felixs>Zathraz: sudo is a hack allowing command execution with more privileges. its not about file permissions
10:21<petemc>its a hack?
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10:23<Zathraz>yes. That was what I was doing wrong. I used it for a bunch of scripts and 1 config file. Used the config file for testing and was focussed on the file rather than on commands what sudo is all about
10:23<Zathraz>stupid me. Thanks
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10:23<felixs>petemc: use google to find the various exploits and privilege escalations
10:23<Zathraz>wrote a single line script to test and it works fine now
10:26<petemc>felixs: so whats The Right Way ?
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10:29<felixs>petemc: setuid is a possibility
10:29<petemc>sounds.. hackish
10:29<petemc>bit of a kludge
10:29<felixs>petemc: not really.
10:29<petemc>care to elaborate?
10:29<felixs>doesnt execute much code i dont understand
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10:31<petemc>i wonder are we talking about the same thing
10:31<petemc>you're advocating using setuid instead of sudo, and your reasoning is that it doesnt execute much code you dont understand ?
10:32<felixs>setuid makes the kernel execute a specific executable as a specific user. no overhead, no escalation
10:33<felixs>unfortunately i got to go, be back later :|
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10:47<felixs>petemc: sorry, i was imprecise. replace setuid by setuid-bit. it can be set using chmod +s. man chmod...
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11:04<stu_>i have 10gb to spare, and wanna mess around with linux, is there a basic debian installation apart from the netinst? because i'm not familiar with debian packages yet
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11:05<locklace>stu_: netinst is the way to go
11:06<stu_>locklace: i love the idea of netinst, i just don't know what packages to d/l after that
11:06<stu_>i was hoping there was a 1CD option to getting into debian
11:06<locklace>stu_: part of the installation will let you choose high-level "tasks" like desktop user, laptop, etc. which will install the most common things automatically
11:06<locklace>you can also get that interface after install by running "tasksel"
11:07<stu_>sweet, i'll get netinst once i get ubuntu running for the family
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11:07<stu_>the 10gb partition will be my personal abode
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11:08<blarson>stu_: the first cd has the most popular packages
11:09<Zathraz>on a backupjob for mediawiki using it's build in dump utility. I get on Lenny: 'REMOTE_ADDR not set' which seems to be a PHP issue. Also I get warnings on raising memory limits temporarily. I had the same same backup setup on another server (etch) with an old mediawiki (but with way larger content). Mem.limit was there 8m , on this machine 32m however all of the 4GB is requested by PHP so it seems. So raising the limit is of no use
11:10<Zathraz>also raising does not sound like tuning the right parameter as on the old setup 8m was sufficient for a way larger XML dump
11:10<Zathraz>is this a PHP bug?
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11:28<raid>Just testing :)
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11:32<stu_>if i have ubuntu as my main, can i just get net-inst debian on my 2nd partition and let it handle grub?
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11:37<Deven>how are guys
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11:47<peterS>stu_: if you can prevent ubuntu from wanting to manage grub (i.e., when you upgrade grub or upgrade kernels), then probably.
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12:02<jhutchins_lt>stu_: There is a potential problem in that ubuntu uses grub2 now, so it has to be the primary boot loader. Ubuntu can manage Debian's grub0, but grub0 can't boot to a grub2 system.
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12:35<steve_>hey- would it be a good idea to rewrite 'ls' to be able to show sizes of directories?
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12:36<retrospectacus>no cause we already have du
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12:38<jordanm_>and we don't need to to recurse through a dir tree everytime its called
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12:41<retrospectacus>it would take your ls a very long time to "ls /"
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13:09<saha>How can i know the time/date of last mount of a fs
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13:10<retrospectacus>saha: tune2fs may tell you
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13:12<retrospectacus>tune2fs -l /dev/sdb1
13:12<retrospectacus>Last mount time: Mon Jun 7 17:06:01 2010
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13:13<retrospectacus>among many other things
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13:15<saha>I should read manpages more attentively
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13:47<psych787>My udev rule SUBSYSTEM=="module", KERNEL=="nvidia", RUN+="/lib/udev/" fails to execute anything. Any way to test/diagnose what's wrong?
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13:59<sarc>i am trying to compile the bnx2x driver for my debian system, which lenny source packages will i need to install?
13:59<sarc>im using kernel...
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14:03<chealer>sarc: why do you want to compile that?
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14:04<sarc>because i cant find compatible firmware for the driver that is installed
14:05<sarc>i am prompted at install for a particular set of firmware files but they are a diff version than the driver and dont work
14:05<Torsten_W>why not installing tha actual backport kernel?
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14:06<sarc>i tried a backport version which appeared to have a compatible driver but i had other libraries that i needed that will not install on the backport
14:07<chealer>sarc: what firmware can you not find?
14:08<sarc>the firmware for bnx2x driver version 1.45.26
14:08<sarc>the firmware supplied by debian appears to be for diff version of driver
14:10<sarc>the firmware for Lenny on debian site is bnx2x-e1-
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14:10<sarc>i contacted one of the broadcom developers and he said the firmware versions did not match, and that they do not "officially" support Debian (only redHat and suse) so he couldnt help
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14:11<sarc>he suggested i get the source for my kernel and build the bnx2x myself
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14:12<sarc>what do you guys think?
14:12<sarc>i did this previously for my Broadcom 1GB NIC and it worked just fine but that was on sid
14:12<dondelelcaro>sarc: the firmware we supply matches the kernels we distribute
14:13<dondelelcaro>sarc: so if you're running a Debian kernel, just install the firmware package from that revision
14:13<sarc>i did, the NIC still does not work
14:13<sarc>you want me to provide the output i get form the NIC?
14:14<dondelelcaro>sarc: that, the output of uname -a; and the output of dpkg -l firmware*; dpkg -l linux-image*; would be useful
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14:16<sarc>the second is what i receive form the NIC when I plug it into another 10GB connection
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14:17<dondelelcaro>sarc: ok, so it looks like you have the right firmware but there's some kind of bug; what kernel version are you running, and what version of Debian are you running?
14:17<sarc>kernel is 2.6.26-2-amd64
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14:18<sarc>version is lenny
14:18<sarc>latest netinstall img from
14:18<dondelelcaro>sarc: ok, most likely you're going to need a newer kernel than that
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14:20<retrospectacus>perhaps it's a problem with using both bnx2 and bnx2x
14:20<sarc>i have the latest backport version, but the libarchive package has dependencies that have not been build for that kernel yet
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14:20<sarc>*the libarchive package that i need
14:21<dondelelcaro>sarc: uh... so? linux-image doesn't depend on libarchive
14:21<sarc>ha.. i know that
14:21<ssorgatem>How can I build a custom FreeBSD kernel for kfreebsd?
14:21<sarc>i cannot get the libarchive package to install on the backport versoin with kernel 2.6.32
14:22<dondelelcaro>sarc: libarchive is orthogonal to what kernel you are running
14:23<dondelelcaro>sarc: so that's just a red herring. What happens when you are running the backported kernel with the newer version of the firmware?
14:23<sarc>apt says that the dependency e2fslibs-dev is not available for hat kernel
14:23<dondelelcaro>sarc: it has nothing to do with the kernel. If you're having a hard time installing it, provide the complete output.
14:23<sarc>i am able to get the bnx2x NIC to run in promisc mode but that is about it
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14:24<sarc>i still cannot get it to accept "normal" network setings, IP, DNS etc
14:24<sarc>the RX ant TX are always 0 in ifconfig
14:24<dondelelcaro>sarc: if it's failing with that message when it tries to link up, then it's not going to work.
14:24<dondelelcaro>sarc: you need to try a newer kernel first
14:26<chealer>sarc: which firmware version is that?
14:26<sarc>update myself or use a backport?
14:26<dondelelcaro>sarc: use the backport
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14:30<sarc>ill reinstall the backport
14:30<sarc>i have installed it previously, but the NIC still does not appear to work correctly
14:31<sarc>i just dont get the driver crashes like before
14:31<chealer>sarc: install firmware-bnx2x
14:31<sarc>i have it installed
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14:34<sarc>it appears that broadcom and Debian have a history of issues
14:35<dondelelcaro>what you're seeing is actually a kernel bug; doesn't really have much to do with Debian.
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14:36<sarc>sorry, you are correct
14:36<sarc>i had the same problem with the 5716 NIC
14:36<sarc>but i was able to compile the source for it and have it work correctly
14:36<chealer>sarc: then you already have what you can't find ;-)
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14:38<mahioo>hello guy
14:38<sarc>this is why i was attempting to build the bnx2x source :)
14:38<sarc>on 2.6.26
14:38<sarc>but their makefile only supports redhat and suse so id have to fix that too
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14:40<mahioo>can some one need me
14:40<sarc>chealer: are you saying that i should compile bnx2x source for my current kernel?
14:40<sarc>backport is installing as we speak
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14:41<chealer>sarc: no, I'm just saying you already have the firmware for bnx2x driver version 1.45.26
14:41<retrospectacus>mahioo: ask your question
14:42<sarc>well i though so originally, but broadcom told me otherwise
14:42<mahioo>retrospectacus can you tell me all program in this picture
14:42<sarc>i showed them the same output
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14:43<sarc>however the driver crashes in that kernel anyways so i guess it doesnt matter
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14:44<mahioo>retrospectacus what do you think
14:44<retrospectacus>mahioo: that appears to be part of the desktop-environment's panel
14:45<mahioo>retrospectacus: i need the name of all program
14:45<mahioo>for exemple
14:45<mahioo>there are skype and vlc
14:45<retrospectacus>I don't know
14:46<mahioo>the blue icon for exemple
14:46<mahioo>which program
14:46<dpkg>I'm not your csh prompt!
14:47<retrospectacus>mahioo: I don't know, why are you asking this strange question?
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14:47<mahioo>retrospectacus: ah thank you
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14:49<retrospectacus>that was odd
14:50-!-mode/#debian [+l 418] by debhelper
14:50<sarc>yeah ..
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14:56<sarc>ok i have the backport installed
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14:58<sarc>do 10gb NICs require cat6 or is it just recommended?
15:00<sarc>retrospectacus: i ran a test with ping and it cannot resolve names.. also the RX and TX on the bnx2x NIC are both 0
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15:01<sarc>this is the backport btw
15:01<sarc>kernel 2.6.32-trunk-amd64
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15:01<retrospectacus>I don't know about this, you were talking to chealer and dondelcaro
15:02<sarc>of course i was, ty
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15:02<retrospectacus>I would guess 10g would require cat6
15:02<sarc>dondelelcaro: what do you think?
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15:03<sarc>i know to achieve 10gb max bandwidth it would have to, but i cant seem to find anywhere that states that it is mandatory
15:03<retrospectacus>sarc: try pastebin the same things as before
15:03<sarc>ok, will take me a min. its on sep machine
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15:04<sarc>what output do you want to see? i didnt have the commands listed in what i posted and cant remember the exact flags
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15:05<dondelelcaro>sarc: ok, when you plug the nic in, do you at least get link lights now?
15:06<retrospectacus>sarc: dondelelcaro> sarc: that, the output of uname -a; and the output of dpkg -l firmware*; dpkg -l linux-image* -- your old pastes:
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15:11<dondelelcaro>sarc: well, that's the very first thing. If you're not getting that, then check the wiring and/or dmesg. I assume you get a link when the machine is shutdown, though, right?
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15:13<sarc>rebooting, ill check
15:14<sarc>should i be using cat6 or cat5 with 10gb... does it matter for this?
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15:16<retrospectacus> sez Cat6A or better is "specified"
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15:23<jordanm_>sarc: cat5 is not capable of 10gb ethernet
15:23<sarc>ok, ty
15:23<sarc>still no light with cat6
15:24<sarc>connected to gb switch, does that matter?
15:24<jordanm_>it will work, just not at 10gb speed
15:24<sarc>ok, good
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15:26<sarc>dondelelcaro: here is ifconfig -a; dmesg|tail -n 10
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15:27<retrospectacus>nothing in dmesg when you plugged the cables eh
15:27<sarc>let me try again
15:27<sarc>that was after boot
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15:29<sarc>no, im getting same if i unplug and plug back in
15:30<sarc>my plan is to connect to of these NICs together directly to replay tcpdump traffic from one to the other
15:30<jhutchins_lt>sarc: You appear to be using an obsolete kernel for whatever that's worth.
15:30<sarc>i have another machine with same backport
15:30<jhutchins_lt>ping not getting dns isn't a definitive test, can you ping using IP's?
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15:31<jhutchins_lt>sarc: What does ethtool say about the connection?
15:31<sarc>when i plug the NICs into one another they both light up
15:31<jhutchins_lt>Then you have a crossover cable.
15:31<sarc>i have the latest backport
15:31<sarc>mdix handles the crossover
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15:33<sarc>i can't ping my DNS by IP
15:33<sarc>same result
15:33<jhutchins_lt>sarc: trunk is't current last I checked.
15:34<sarc>i do get TX when i hook the two of them together
15:34<sarc>and lights come one
15:35<sarc>there's a newer one? ill check again
15:35<jordanm_>trunk is really old, but will always appear as the newest until you purge it (which you should)
15:36<sarc>what is the backports url
15:36<sarc>i forgot
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15:37<sarc>that's the newest one i see for lenny amd64
15:38<sarc>or should i be using lenny-custom-0302.iso ?
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15:42<sarc>i am downloading directly from the web
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15:43<alex_>Hi ! I've just installed a lenny one. I'd like to pass to testing. I've tried changing "lenny" to "testing" in my source list then update and dist upgrade but I got an error. Cab you help please?
15:44<retrospectacus>alex_: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze and follow those directions. Use a pastebin to show us your commands and errors.
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15:45<jhutchins_lt>alex_: However, if you didn't know that, you might not be ready to run testing.
15:46<alex_>Know what ?
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15:49<alex_>retrospectacus, no instruction given by bot :\
15:49<retrospectacus>!tell alex_ -about lenny->squeeze
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15:50<sarc>so do you guys both agree that I still have a kernel issue?
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15:51<alex_>retrospectacus, thank you ...
15:52<retrospectacus>sarc: your lack of a link light when connecting to the switch, and a link light when connecting to the other nic would indicate a wrong cable methinks
15:52<sarc>im using the same cable for both
15:52<jhutchins_lt>sarc: It's only one possibility.
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15:53<jhutchins_lt>sarc: That's what the difference between a normal cable and a crossover cable IS! A crossover works NIC to NIC, a normal cable works NIC to switch.
15:53<retrospectacus>sarc: I know, but connecting to the switch requires a straight cable and connecting NIC-toNIC requires a crossover cable
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15:54<retrospectacus>although I though most newer NICs auto-detect this and compensate
15:54<sarc>i understand this, they do compensate with mdix
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15:55<jhutchins_lt>retrospectacus: Haven't seen NICs that do it, although switches often do.
15:55<retrospectacus>but you have no light
15:55<jhutchins_lt>sarc: Your results suggest that it's not working for you.
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15:55<sarc>i shouldnt need a crossover to plug a 10gb nic into a wall ethernet port that goes to a switch.. i am confused
15:56*jhutchins_lt mutters about installing the no-smoke driver.
15:56<sarc>i should only need one when going NIC to NIC.. but going NIC to NIC is working as far a I can tell
15:56<retrospectacus>no you should need a straight cable unless something behind the wall is crossed-over or st
15:56<sarc>yes and i am using a straight cable
15:57<sarc>straight cable from NIC to switch does not work
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15:57<jhutchins_lt>sarc: Straight cable to wall jack to concealed cable run to patch panel to switch doesn't work.
15:58<sarc>why not?
15:58<sarc>because i am going from cat6 to cat5?
15:59<jhutchins_lt>sarc: Possible reasons: Improper or incomplete punch-down at wall jack. Damaged concealed cable. Improper or incomplete punch-down at panel. Bad cable between panel and switch. Bad port on switch.
15:59<blockowitsch>hello. how to show the destination of a symbolic link?
15:59<jhutchins_lt>blockowitsch: ls -l <link>
15:59<icebrain>blockowitsch: ls -l
15:59<retrospectacus>blockowitsch: also there is the readlink command
16:00<sarc>the wiring is fine, the bnx2 NIC works over the same conection
16:00<blockowitsch>ahh, readlink is what i needed :)
16:00<blockowitsch>thx to all
16:00<sarc>jhutchins_lt: i now have it connected directly to a second switch and still no lights
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16:00<sarc>jhutcins: i have eliminated wall ethernet problem
16:01<jhutchins_lt>sarc: In that case I'd say you have a bad cable.
16:02<jhutchins_lt>sarc: You have four pair of wires in the cable. A light just means that two particular pins are connected.
16:02<sarc>i just bought the cable.. i doubt it although it is not impossible
16:02<jhutchins_lt>sarc: when you connect the two nic's, do they actually connect and communicate, or do you just see a light.
16:03<sarc>what is the best way to test that?
16:03<jhutchins_lt>Connect them, configure the interfaces and ping.
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16:09<mh182>I have a problem with udev. It creates a device /dev/cdrom1 (respecitive /dev/dvd1) which link to the real device /dev/sr0. But udev does not create /dev/cdrom anymore. and some applications use /dev/cdrom as default device for accessing the CDROM device
16:09<sarc>jhutchins_lt: i get a response on the ping so they are communicating
16:10<jhutchins_lt>mh182: So you have to change the defaults.
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16:10<jhutchins_lt>sarc: Overwhelming evidence says you have a crossover cable and your switch is not capable of auto-detecting it.
16:10<mh182>jhutchins_lt: defaults? I assume /dev/cdrom should be default - in the most obvious case that there is only 1 CDROM in my machine
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16:11<jhutchins_lt>mh182: Welcome to the world of developing software. Which kernel are you on (uname -r)?
16:11<mh182>jhutchins_lt: 2.6.32-5-686
16:12<sarc>i have the package in my hand the cable came in, it's regular cat6
16:12<mh182>jhutchins_lt: hehe, i know the world of deeloping software. problem is i read udev last time a few months ago. and i dont have the endurance to do it again ;-)
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16:12<jhutchins_lt>mh182: Dude, you're runing testing! This is what you expect! If you want things to be stable, RUN STABLE!
16:12<mh182>jhutchins_lt: any suggestons how i can create /dev/cdrom automatically?
16:13<jhutchins_lt>mh182: Install lenny.
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16:14<alex_>retrospectacus, I am following instructions and I get the following question prompted: Leave the following dependencies unresolved:
16:14<sarc>jhutchins_lt: any other thoughs?
16:14<mh182>dude I'm running unstable ;-) ... seems i have to dig those udv manuals again and check how Debian implements the CDROM udev rules
16:14<jhutchins_lt>sarc: Your switch and your nic are incompatible.
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16:15<alex_>retrospectacus, what should I answer please?
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16:15<sarc>ive tried two completely diff stiches....
16:15<jhutchins_lt>sarc: Then they both don't work.
16:16<jhutchins_lt>sarc: You have to have a working example before you can determine what the non-working part is.
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16:17<jhutchins_lt>sarc: Are the switches GB capable?
16:17<sarc>i have two hubs, they dont work either
16:17<jhutchins_lt>Well, we know the NIC's work, because they can talk to each other.
16:17<jhutchins_lt>Everything points to it being a crossover cable.
16:18<jhutchins_lt>sarc: TRY A DIFFERENT CABLE!
16:18<sarc>ugh... i dont have one...
16:18<sarc>cat6 is a MUST with 10GB?
16:18<sarc>these things are expensive
16:18<jhutchins_lt>sarc: No.
16:19<sarc>so i can try cat5?
16:19<jhutchins_lt>sarc: Recommended, but not essential. If you have two 10G switches and two 10G hubs, how can you not have two cat6 cables?
16:19<sarc>i have 1 cat6 cable, two 1gb switches, 2 100mb hubs
16:20<sarc>i have a third switch i can try, ill also try cat5
16:20<jhutchins_lt>sarc: Is it possible that the cards are not correctly stepping down to the lower speeds?
16:21<jhutchins_lt>sarc: What does ethtool say? dmesg? syslog?
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16:21<sarc>i suppose that is possible
16:22<sarc>10gb switches are way out of my budget
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16:27<sarc>driver bnx2x
16:27<sarc>version 1.52.1
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16:31<sarc>jhutchins_lt: dmesg has nothing when i plug the cat6 into the switch
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16:32<sarc>jhutchins_lt: says bnx2x: eth1 NIC Link is Up, 10000 Mbps full duplex, receive and transmit flow control ON when i pluge it into 10GB NIC
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16:32<sarc>jhutchins_lt: i suppose i could try to manually set the NIC to 1gb
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16:34<jhutchins_lt>sarc: TRY A DIFFERENT CABLE!
16:34<jordanm_>every geek should have a cable tester handy
16:35<sarc>i have one of those too... ill do both
16:35*jhutchins_lt misses his $3k handheld certifier.
16:35<sarc>didnt think it would come to this
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16:36<sarc>no light with differnet cable when connected to switch
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16:42<sarc>jhutchins_lt: i tried two different cat5 cables and no light with either when connected to switch, works when connecting the NICs together
16:45<retrospectacus>busted switch port?
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16:47<sarc>i have connected other devices and they work just fine
16:47<sarc>is it possible that none of my switches support cat6?
16:47<sarc>i know nothing about cat6
16:48<sarc>although i tried cat5 too...
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16:48<sarc>getting tired
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16:48<sarc>the problem has to be in the ability of the NIC to auto-negotiate speeds
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16:49<sarc>which i am assuming is still a driver issue
16:49<jhutchins_lt>!magical thinking
16:49<dpkg>Magical Thinking is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
16:49<sarc>so what new ideas do you have?
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16:51<jhutchins_lt>sarc: Track down the sourceforge page for the driver, get on the mailing list, ask questions.
16:51<sarc>more questioning, that I can do
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16:55<jhutchins_lt>sarc: fyi cat6 is physically the same as cat5 except for heavier insullation on the individual conductors to reduce crosstalk.
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16:55<jhutchins_lt>sarc: cat5 might not perform as well over cat6, particularly over long distances or in noisy environments, but it should still work.
16:56<jhutchins_lt>sarc: At this point you need to delve into the information on the driver itself and see what it needs to do to negotiate with a slower switch.
16:56<jhutchins_lt>sarc: You haven't actually proved that these NIC's CAN talk to a slower switch.
16:57<jordanm_>I would hope so...
16:57<jordanm_>we still have some 10M switches here, and no issues plugging up say, 1gb and having it auto negotaite... even cheap realtek nics
16:57<jhutchins_lt>jordanm_: Well, 10G.
16:58<jhutchins_lt>jordanm_: New ground.
16:58<jordanm_>jhutchins_lt: gigabit wasn't around when these 10 meg switches hit EOL :)
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16:59<jhutchins_lt>jordanm_: Want some more? I have a couple of nice managed rack-mount 10M switches in the basement.
16:59<jordanm_>jhutchins_lt: hehe, I can get stacks of them already...
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17:00<jordanm_>actually, according to wikipedia, gigabit ethernet would have been around for 2-3 years when these switches hit EOL, so who lnows..
17:00<sarc>so my switches should work with a 10GB NIC? (in general, not with this particular NIC)
17:01<jhutchins_lt>There's "available" and "around".
17:01<jhutchins_lt>sarc: We have no reason to think they should.
17:01<jhutchins_lt>sarc: It's not up to the switch, it's up to the NIC.
17:02<sarc>in that case I'll just ask Broadcom
17:02<jhutchins_lt>sarc: If the NIC doesn't support the lower speeds there's nothing the switch can do about it.
17:02<jhutchins_lt>sarc: Broadcom being the NIC mfr?
17:02<jhutchins_lt>sarc: What chipset?
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17:03<sarc>jhutchins_lt: Netxtreme II BCM57710 10Gigabit PCIe [Everest]
17:04<sarc>that's what lspci has
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17:09<jhutchins_lt>sarc: Well, I'm not finding anything that says it's backwards compatible at all.
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17:10<sarc>jhutchins_lt: yeah... darn.. ethtool eth1 says that it only supports 10000baseT/Full
17:10<sarc>i officially feel stupider
17:10<jhutchins_lt>sarc: That's not to say it isn't, just that I can't find it.
17:12<sarc>jhutchins_lt: it only supports 10000baseT/Full
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17:12<sarc>jhutchins_lt: that is why it isnt working
17:12<jhutchins_lt>sarc: Ok, it should auto-negotiate 1G.
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17:13<sarc>even if it only supports 10GB link mode?
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17:14<jhutchins_lt>sarc: Looks like it could depend on the implementation (specifc card/mb).
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17:15<jhutchins_lt>sarc: That's just data on the chipset, which can handle 1G and 2.5G.
17:15<jhutchins_lt>sarc: Says nothing about < 1G compatibility though.
17:15<sarc>ethtool shows this card as only supporting 10GB link modes
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17:16<jhutchins_lt>sarc: Remember, that depends on what the driver supports.
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17:17<jhutchins_lt>sarc: Still, I think you've identified the problem - this configuration is not compatible with your switch.
17:17<sarc>jhutchins_lt: so only the driver doesnt support other link speeds?
17:17<jhutchins_lt>sarc: Not necessarily.
17:18<jhutchins_lt>sarc: We know the chipset can handle lower speeds. We don't know if those interfaces were enabled in the NIC/MB, and we don't know if the driver supports them.
17:18<jhutchins_lt>sarc: We're dealign with the absence of evidence here, not evidence of absence.
17:19<sarc>jhutchins_lt: is there anything I can do to gather this evidence/alter the situation?
17:20<jhutchins_lt>sarc: Documentation for the card/motherboard, documentation for the driver.
17:21<sarc>jhutchins_lt: ill follow-up with Dell and Broadcom
17:21<sarc>jhutcins_lt: see what they have to say
17:21<jhutchins_lt>sarc: Documentation.
17:22<jhutchins_lt>sarc: Is it on the motherboard or a PCIe card?
17:22<sarc>PCIe card
17:22<sarc>both of them
17:23<jhutchins_lt>I strongly suspect that it's the card then, not just the driver.
17:23<jhutchins_lt>Make sure you don't mention that you're running under Linux, that will just give them an easy way out.
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17:23<sarc>jhutchins_lt: oh i have learned that trick
17:24<sarc>jhutchins_lt: :(
17:24<jhutchins_lt>sarc: Let me guess, no PCIe 10/100/1000 nic's available.
17:24<sarc>jhutchins_lt: both Dell and Broadcom have been worthless throughout this entire endeavour and me using Linux bails them out of a tough situation
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17:25<sarc>jhutchins_lt: i have integrated 10/100/1000 on all other dell equipment I have
17:26<sarc>jhutchins_lt: I found a Broadcom engineer on the mailing lists and he told me I had the wrong firmware
17:26<sarc>jhutchins_lt: that was a big help
17:28<sarc>jhutchins_lt: the good news is that for now I can do what I need to, my test environment that I am creating for these NICs will only involve them being connected directly to one another for now
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17:29<sarc>jhutchins_lt: that's not true actually, the backport has left me with one other issue
17:29<sarc>jhutcins_lt: i cannot get libarchive-dev to install
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17:29<sarc>jhutchins_lt: this package is mandatory for what I am doing
17:30<zuhat>someone who knows how to upgrade one single package with apt. There is 2 versions of a package in pool/h/hal and I want to get the one with higher version nr. but apt-{cache,get} only shows the other one.
17:30<zuhat>running debian 5
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17:34<sarc>jhutchins_lt: Anyways, I'm going to call it a day. I greatly appreciate the assistance/patience :). I can resolve the libarchive-dev package issue tomorrow.
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17:35<jhutchins_lt>sarc: Good luck. Sounds like you may need a card.
17:35<sarc>chealer, dondelelcaro, jordanm_: thanks to you guys also
17:35<jhutchins_lt>zuhat: aptitude update, aptitude install <package>.
17:35<sarc>jhutchins_lt: yeah i think so, later
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17:49<zuhat>jhutchins_lt: dosen't work. it's like apt don't see the newer version of the package
17:49<treitter>I'm trying to build the packages for source package 'folks' through pbuilder, but hitting this problem:
17:50<treitter>my pbuilder environment is sid and already has the experimental repo added
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17:55<jhutchins_lt>zuhat: What package?
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17:57<moldovean>, versions hal
17:57<judd>hal -- etch:; lenny: 0.5.11-8; squeeze: 0.5.14-2; sid: 0.5.14-3
17:57<psych787>does linux have a command to only remove EMPTY directories?
17:57<jordanm_>treitter: you need something like: OTHERMIRROR="deb lenny-backports main"
17:57<jordanm_>treitter: in your pbuilderrc for experimental
17:57<rudi_s>psych787: rmdir
17:57<rudi_s>Gives an error on non empty ones (which you can ignore).
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17:59<psych787>rudi_s: Thanks
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18:00<zuhat>jhutchins_lt: the package I have on my system is hal_0.5.11-8 and the one I want to install i hal_0.5.14-3
18:01<jordanm_>zuhat: what do you hope to accomplish by that?
18:02<jhutchins_lt>!tell zuhat about ssb
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18:03<zuhat>read somewhere that the newer package resolves some bug with gnome-mounter
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18:06<jordanm_>zuhat: whats the bug number?
18:07<zuhat>let me see if I can find it
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18:09<zuhat>i mean jordanm_
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18:11<jordanm_>zuhat: that "fix" was "enable support for consolekit"... does not sound like a clean and easy backport to me, but you can give it a try
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18:13<zuhat>jordanm_: ah :) I'll look for other options before that maybe, thx :)
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18:15<zuhat>jordanm_: the reason I want to upgrade hal is that when I click on my local drives in gnome to mount them, it says that I'm unprivileged. it worked in ubuntu but not in debian. do you know how to get it work?
18:16<jordanm_>zuhat: no, but it seems the problem is that it thinks that it is not an removable device
18:17<jordanm_>oh, it is a local drive? according to that bug report, that is intended behavior for secuirty reasons
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18:17<jordanm_>zuhat: however, that makes it easier to add an fstab entry for it. if you add the option "users", then users will be able to mount it
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18:18<jhutchins_lt>zuhat: It's probably a matter of adding your user to the correct group.
18:19<treitter>jordanm_: huh, thanks
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18:19<treitter>I'll check it out
18:19<zuhat>jordanm_: yes, I'm in plugdev and disk groups but maybe i should add the user to some more to accomplish that. I'll look to that and meanwhile use fstab :)
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18:47<undrarn>hi guys, i connected an old IDE harddrive, would like to install debian, usually i install linux from a cd/dvd, but in this case i dont have access to anyone
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18:48<undrarn>can i weap the IDE clean via Win 7 and install debian at F:/ without any problem??
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18:48<undrarn>and later.. connect the harddrive to another computer...
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18:53<dpkg> will install Debian side-by-side with an existing win32/64 system (see site for ongoing compatibility). It can be non-destructive if you follow directions, or if you want, just replace that evil non-free OS all together. Supaplex is the webmaster (for site issues), see site for all FAQ. on
18:54<jordanm_>I was looking for:
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18:54<jordanm_>ah, !goodbye-windows, links to the same one
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19:05<jhutchins_lt>undrarn: That will mostly work. You may have to tweak kernel settings or maybe the video driver, but you should get it running well enough on the new system to be able to fix the problems (if any).
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19:07<undrarn>jhutchins_lt great.. hmm.. when it ask about the boot.ini file, it cant find it on windows 7, do i need boot.ini file?
19:07<undrarn>i just say it shall install on E:
19:07<jhutchins_lt>undrarn: Not for debian.
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19:08<jhutchins_lt>undrarn: Probably easier to format the drive from the debian installer, not sure exactly what you're doing there.
19:09<undrarn>ok, but running the debian.exe file right now.. shall i change "location of boot.ini: c:/boot.ini to E:/boot.ini
19:09<undrarn>E: is the drive i want to install debian at
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19:10<retrospectacus>undrarn: linux does not use drive letters.
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19:11<undrarn>i know this would be easy IF i got a dvd drive, but now i dont have anyone :(
19:12<undrarn>i need to install debian through windows on another drive, in my case.. E:
19:12<undrarn>i tried, but my bios dont wanna boot usb
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19:14<na5uta-work>sorry, never do it on that way, cant help you...
19:15<undrarn>well this situation sucks, i need to go and find a dvd burner..
19:16<jhutchins_lt>undrarn: Spend some time with
19:16<jhutchins_lt>undrarn: You don't need a DVD, a netinstall image on CD will work.
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19:17<undrarn>... so i just need to download the image and select the drive?
19:17<undrarn>mount in deamontools?
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19:19<retrospectacus>no... burn to physical media
19:19<retrospectacus>then boot it
19:20<undrarn>goddamit, i dont have a dvd/cd rom
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19:24<na5uta-work>do it tomorow after buy a dvd :-)
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19:26<undrarn>hmm.. shall see if i can borrow a dvd burner so i can burn and load it
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19:32<jhutchins_lt>undrarn: Do you have a USB key?
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20:09<na5uta-work>yes, please
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20:37<Plague[1]>Hi, can I ask question here?
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20:39<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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20:41<Cygnus>!seen bja
20:41<dpkg>bja <> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 3d 22h 16m 36s ago, saying: 'afaik it is a dropin replacement for apt-cacher'.
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20:43<abrotman>or don't wait
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20:48<deniz>how do i found out the size of a logical volume or something like /home partition I'm guessing
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20:48<deniz>also would i use resize2fs with ext4?
20:49<deniz>I'm at "11.10. Reducing a logical volume" of:
20:49<abrotman>df ?
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20:49<jhutchins_lt>deniz: du
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20:49<deniz>du seems to give a big mess
20:50<deniz>on df, is it the 1k-blocks i need to look for?
20:50<deniz>i'm not too saavy with lvm
20:50<gsimmons>deniz: lvs, lvdisplay, et al.
20:50<deniz>gsimmons, those commands don't work
20:50<deniz>but i can do what i want
20:50<deniz>with df and the guide
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20:51<deniz>i just need confirmation if the 1k-blocks section is what the guide refers to
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20:53<deniz>my /home is 462034920 1k-blocks
20:54<deniz>is that the number i put in the resizing?
20:54<deniz>well slightly less
20:54<sarc>jhutchins_lt: I am trying to install the libarchive-dev package on a lenny backport, and it is telling my it will not install one of the dependencies e2fslibs-dev
20:54<Plague[1]>Total newbie in debian. Here is question -> I've installed x11vnc to be able to have remote desktop connection. I cannot connect from win box to debian cause i think port 5900 is closed on debian. How do I open port on debian?
20:54<deniz>how many blocks equals 1 megabyte?
20:55<sarc>jhutchins: the error message says it is probably because I am using a non-standard build and the package has not been moved from incoming yet
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20:56<deniz>is 1 block = 1 kilobyte?
20:56<deniz>could someone please tell me so i can resize my drive
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20:56<gsimmons>sarc: Provide the complete output at a pastebin ; /msg dpkg bat
20:56<sarc>jhutchins_lt: for me to use this backport (which is the only lenny version that seems to support my 57710 NIC) i really need this package, is there any way around this?
20:58<sarc>ugh, my vpn connection is down... i can't access the machine
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21:00<jhutchins_lt>sarc: Wait.
21:01<sarc><- waiting patiently
21:01<moldovean>sarc, gsimmons is waiting your answer
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21:02<sarc>moldovean: i can't do this now, i can't connect to my vpn
21:02<sarc>moldovean: always something it seems
21:03<sarc>moldovean: im at home and can't access it
21:04<deniz>abrotman, do you know what the 1k-block part of the df command is in megabytes?
21:05<abrotman>you mean 1000 vs 1024 ?
21:05<abrotman>you can just use df -m IIRC
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21:06<moldovean>or df -h
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21:06<abrotman>that won't always be in MB
21:07<deniz>there is no -m, and ya -h gives in gigs but there is something wrong mathematically, wait
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21:08<deniz>o no there isn't
21:08<deniz>abrotman, ok but when trying to resize using lvm "If you prefer to do this manually you must know the new size of the volume in blocks and use the following commands:" --- does that refer to the 1k-blocks?
21:09<abrotman>i'd imagine you sohuld read the docs, i don't personally know
21:09<gsimmons>deniz: resize2fs does accept M (megabytes) and G (gigabytes) as unit designators, too.
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21:10<deniz>gsimmons, so instead of 524288 1k-blocks i could say otherNumberM ?
21:11<deniz>like i just put the M or G right after the number?
21:11<deniz>but still that doesn't answer my main concern
21:11<deniz>does the author mean 1k-blocks when he says "blocks"
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21:13<Plague[1]>Anyone bored enought to help debian newbie with info how to open port 5900 on debian? Thanks in advance.
21:14<Nemoder>Plague[1]: what are you using to block ports?
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21:16<Plague[1]>I think i'm not blocking any ports. I have installed shorewall but havent configured it yet. But I think 5900 (which i want to use for VNC) is closed by default?
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21:16<jhutchins_lt>Plague[1]: Run a server that reads port 5900?
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21:17<jhutchins_lt>Plague[1]: No ports are blocked by default. If you set up something like shorewall to block common ports, it might be, but by itself shorewall doesn't do anything until you set it up.
21:17<jhutchins_lt>Plague[1]: Ports are not blocked, but unless a server is listening on a port it doesn't matter.
21:18<jhutchins_lt>Plague[1]: Windows has problems because it has stuff listening all over the place.
21:18<Plague[1]>I mean i run vnc4server and it lauch :1 screen but i cannot seem to connect strange
21:18<jhutchins_lt>Plague[1]: Stuff that isn't documented, so you don't know it's a bulnerablility.
21:18<jhutchins_lt>vulnerability even.
21:18<jhutchins_lt>Might be about time to call it a dya.
21:19<Nemoder>Plague[1]: check the vnc4server docs, or if what you are trying to do is connect to an existing X session then use x11vnc instead
21:19<jhutchins_lt>Plague[1]: What port is vnc4 configured to listen to?
21:19<jhutchins_lt>Plague[1]: Is anything logged when you try to connect?
21:19<jhutchins_lt>Plague[1]: Do you get any response, or connection refused, or a time-out, or what?
21:20<Plague[1]>Good questions let me check please.
21:21<jhutchins_lt>Plague[1]: Normally stuff just works, especially with stable. When something doesn't work, it's usually not something we all see all the time. This doesn't mean it's your fault, just that we need to dig a little deeper.
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21:22<jhutchins_lt>It's not like that other OS where there's a list of fixes because it's all broken.
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21:25<deniz>when i do lvreduce -L does that reduce it TO the specified number or reduces the size BY the specified number
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21:35<Plague[1]>I havent configured the port but i think default is 5900 for the server. It' s loged created VNC server for screen 0 and some other stuff. On VNC viewer i jsut get failed to connect to server. Not sure what i'm doing wrong
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21:37<Plague[1]>the message i get Connection Refused - 10061
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21:38<Plague[1]>from real vnc viewer
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22:03<ashank>hey folks
22:03<ashank>may I ask a question about apt.conf here?
22:06<sney>ask away
22:06<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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22:08<ashank>I'm running Lenny on amd64, and I want to add the APT::Default-Release option to apt.conf. I see that /etc/apt contains no apt.conf, but it does contain apt.conf.d/, which does not contain any files with this specific option.
22:09<ashank>My question is, what is the *right way* to add this option?
22:09<sney>just make an apt.conf and put it in there, conf.d directories are (mostly) for things added automatically by other packages
22:10<dpkg>echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to sid. then apt-get update. use apt-get -t sid install foo; to install foo from sid rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release. set Preferences->Distribution
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22:10<ashank>Excellent, thank you!
22:11<sney>ashank: but, what chealer is probably trying to say, is that it is not usually a good idea to mix releases on stable, and you should only do it if you know *exactly* what you're doing.
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22:11<ashank>I know - sometimes adding testing/sid packages to my stable system causes strange behavior with the package manager.
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22:12<ashank>I do thin only because there seems to be no other way without a backport, or extensive packaging knowledge.
22:12<sney>mostly because most squeeze/sid packages have squeeze/sid dependencies, so you wind up upgrading whole chunks of stuff
22:12<ashank>I do this*
22:12<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list 2) enable (see <bpo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
22:13<sney>^ how to roll your own backport
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22:13<chealer>I was just showing how to create it, but that's a good point since ashank is on lenny. and then he wants stable instead of testing.
22:14<ashank>cool - I will certainly give that a try
22:14<sney>ssb is way less likely to break your system than installing sid binaries + deps through apt
22:15<dpkg> is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added: "aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update". <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents> <bpo list> <backports-users> <bpo kernel>
22:16<ashank>with backports, should I add a deb-src line to sources.list?
22:16<sney>no, just for regular sid. backports does not host source packages
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22:16<sney>also, you can /msg dpkg instead of using !
22:17<ashank>will do :)
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22:23<ashank>Is there a way to ask apt-get to tell me what distribution it's pulling individual debs from (i.e., to see if it's grabbing dependencies from testing)?
22:24<Nemoder>apt-cache policy <package>
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22:27<sun>hi what's a good lightweight browser (i found firefox hogging my system this afternoon and rebotted and now its s ofast i want to try some other browsers)
22:28<traveler>has nm-applet been replaced? working on a minimal install and plan on using Xfce. (or any reccomendations on a different applet?) need it for wifi on a laptop.
22:29<sney>sun: epiphany, midori, chrome
22:29<sney>traveler: there's wicd in squeeze, it's much better
22:29<sney>it may also be in backports but I don't think so
22:31<traveler>sorry, i should have said i am using a squeeze weekly build. never had good luck with wicd. been awhile, i'll give it another try.
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22:39<sun>traveler it seems to be in network-manager-gnome
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22:41<traveler>sun: you're right. should have done a different apt-cache search. thanks
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23:22<k-man>how do i report a bug on a package?
23:22<jmad980>bug-helper or something I forget :p
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23:23<jmad980>aha reportbug
23:23<jmad980>but yeah look at the wiki page
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