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00:02<eightyeight>is anyone running debian on an hp mini 110 netbook?
00:04<dondelelcaro>eightyeight: someone almost certainly is
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00:04<eightyeight>probably, although i'm not getting an answer
00:05<cwood>They may not be here on a Friday/Saturday.
00:05<dondelelcaro>eightyeight: what's your actual question?
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00:06<eightyeight>dondelelcaro: when coming out of standby, the screen flickers every now-and-then, and eventually, will go black or blue
00:06<eightyeight>at which, the only way out is to reboot
00:06<cwood>Can you ssh in?
00:07<dondelelcaro>eightyeight: are you using s2ram or similar to enter standby?
00:07<cwood>Does the screen return if you stop/kill the x server.
00:07<eightyeight>dondelelcaro: whatever gnome does when you set it up in the power prefs
00:07<eightyeight>cwood: no
00:08<dondelelcaro>eightyeight: and it doesn't work if you switch to vt1, then back to vt7?
00:09<eightyeight>dondelelcaro: there's no visual clue that you're switching ttys
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00:09<eightyeight>it remains either black or blue
00:09<eightyeight>ssh-ing in, and restarting X keeps the screen black or blue
00:09<eightyeight>the only way out, is to reboot
00:10<eightyeight>i've dug through /var/log/Xorg.log, and have found nothing interesting
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00:12<xjjk>does anyone else here hate grub2
00:12<xjjk>because I know I do...
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00:16<eightyeight>... and it just went blue
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00:36<xjjk>how insane is to to go back to LILO?
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00:40<Carl>hi all i just downloaded the dvd iso and when i try to burn it on my nero lite edition its says my compilation cannot be written casue the disk isnt compatible i use a dvd-r 4.7 gig from maxell i try to burn the files debian-505-i386-DVD-1.iso any one know how i could work it around?
00:41<Carl>the fils size is4.35 gb
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01:14<xjjk>Carl: that's not really a Debian question... you should contact Nero's technical support
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01:18<grizzly>anyone know anything about gnome shell?
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01:22<zophy>heh, gnome shell
01:23<zophy>like emacs shell i suppose
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01:31<YuGiOhJCJ>Hello, is there the same thing like SlackBuilds for Slacware in Debian?
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01:32<xjjk>YuGiOhJCJ: in what way? that there's no quality control or centralization?
01:34<YuGiOhJCJ>xjjk, I would like to know if there is scripts which take the source then do configure, make, make install and build the .deb package
01:34<xjjk>YuGiOhJCJ: yes, that's built into Debian
01:34<xjjk>YuGiOhJCJ: what in particular did you want to rebuild?
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01:35<cornwallis>is it possible to send a process to the background without pausing it?
01:35<xjjk>cornwallis: yes; if you're using bash, do Control+Z, then type bg
01:36<cornwallis>for example, i am accessing firefox via x11 forwarding from a remote computer. is there any way that when I am done, i dont have to stop it?
01:36<victor>I want to take a screenshot and pipe it to gthumb, i tried scrot -s |gthumb, didn't work.
01:36<xjjk>victor: gthumb has to support accepting data via pipes
01:36<xjjk>does it?
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01:36<xjjk>cornwallis: sorry, stop what; firefox or the SSH session
01:36<victor>yeah, can you recommend a pic viewer?
01:37<YuGiOhJCJ>I rebuild some packages, the list is here :
01:37<cornwallis>maybe firefox is a bad example
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01:37<xjjk>victor: I'm a KDE user so if you want GNOME-something, not really =/
01:37<xjjk>KDE's image viewer is gwenview
01:37<xjjk>I don't know if it supports piping either, though
01:37<xjjk>for taking screenshots I use ksnapshot
01:37<YuGiOhJCJ>xjjk, where are exactly these scripts can you give me the link?
01:37<xjjk>which has a preview, and lets you open with various apps
01:37<cornwallis>say that I'm using xchat connected through ssh using x11. i want to be able to close xchat on my local computer but be able to keep it up on the remote one
01:38<xjjk>YuGiOhJCJ: hrm, I don't have any idea what those packages are
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01:38<xjjk>YuGiOhJCJ: if you're want to rebuild a package contained within debian, the easiest thing to do is go to and find the package
01:39<craigevil>!tell YuGiOhJCJ about nmg
01:39<xjjk>YuGiOhJCJ: if you're wanting to recompile grub-pc for example, there's
01:39<xjjk>on the right you'll see "Download source package"
01:39<xjjk>you want those 3 files
01:39<xjjk>download them into one directory
01:39<xjjk>dpkg-source -x grub2*dsc; then cd into the directory, dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b
01:40<xjjk>YuGiOhJCJ: if it's not obvious I'm condensing a LOT of information into 3 or 4 lines on IRC
01:40<EstebanMonge>any good image viewer without kde or gnome libraries???
01:40<victor>Could anyone please recommend a pic viewer that supports pipe?
01:41<traveler>dunno about pipe support, answer was for esteban
01:41<YuGiOhJCJ>ok thank you those 3 files and the command dpkg-source is what I need ;-)
01:41<xjjk>YuGiOhJCJ: you might want to check the Debian HOWTOs
01:41<xjjk>there's a ton of information in them
01:42<xjjk>YuGiOhJCJ: particularly, if you want to change things like build options
01:42<xjjk>you want to look at the package's rules file
01:42<xjjk>for grub2 it'd be in grub2-directory-extracted-with-dpkg-source/debian/rules
01:42<xjjk>that's the closest equivalent to a Slackbuild
01:42<EstebanMonge>but ristretto need some xfce libraries
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01:43<victor>how to send a image to clipboard?
01:44<victor>i know ksnapshot can do that, but i am in gnome.
01:44<EstebanMonge>I use E17 and generally install only "generic" sofgtware
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01:45<EstebanMonge>pornview is a god option
01:45<EstebanMonge>great for thumnails
01:45<xjjk>E17 is still going? \/
01:46<EstebanMonge>but when I want view any image from pcmanfm have problemes
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01:47<EstebanMonge>dont open the image only open a directory
01:47<EstebanMonge>sorry for my english
01:47<EstebanMonge>xjjk E17 runs very good
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01:47<EstebanMonge>have a repository for debian
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01:47<xjjk>it ran very good 10 yrs ago too
01:48<xjjk>…but it's just so perpetually in development...
01:48<xjjk>I gave up and just went to KDE (eventually)
01:48<EstebanMonge>then years ago was e16
01:48<xjjk>er, 8 yrs ago, not 10
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01:49<EstebanMonge>yes is very stable
01:49<EstebanMonge>but once time a day crash in my case
01:50<EstebanMonge>when compling is more stable
01:51<EstebanMonge>for my is big problem the library dependency with gnome or kde
01:51<xjjk>disk space is cheap
01:51<EstebanMonge>I have atom processor
01:51<xjjk>I gave up on e after the realization that most apps I run are from the DEs anyway
01:52<xjjk>so I already have the libs installed and loaded into RAM
01:52*xjjk has konversation, konsole, Firefox, smplayer, kmail, choqok running right now
01:52<xjjk>I'm saving negligible amounts of RAM using another DE
01:53<EstebanMonge>what DE=
01:53<xjjk>er, DE=desktop environment
01:53<xjjk>was referring to enlightenment, but it really isn't a desktop environment
01:53<EstebanMonge>what DE you use?
01:54<xjjk>GTK/GNOME irritate me
01:54<xjjk>and fortunately, KDE in Debian is really well-maintained
01:54<xjjk>ehh, I don't feel like starting a flame war
01:54<xjjk>but people's irritation with GTK/GNOME is very well-documented
01:55<EstebanMonge>I dont want make a flame war neither
01:55<cthuluh>people's irritation with DE in general is well documented too :))
01:56<EstebanMonge>I want learn good the elf for program
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01:56<xjjk>list I've been keeping
01:56<xjjk>for future flamewars
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01:56<xjjk>it's mostly links to blogs and bug reports
01:56<xjjk>and nowhere near complete...
01:56<xjjk>I notice I'm missing the bit about GNOME's font dialog
01:56<xjjk>and then there was the whole thing with Linus, GNOME, and printing
01:57<EstebanMonge>I want make a little front end for burn discs and personalizacion of e17
01:58<xjjk>EstebanMonge: the thing is for disc burning software... how would it better than something like k3b
01:58<xjjk>I've found k3b to be a nice, simple clone of nero burning rom back in the good old days
01:58<EstebanMonge>yes but k3b install kde libraries
01:59<cthuluh>xcdroast worked fine last time I tried it
01:59<xjjk>EstebanMonge: NIH isn't really a good reason IMHO... but everyone to their own
01:59<xjjk>the best thing about FOSS is you should do what you want
02:00<EstebanMonge>yes you right xjjk
02:00<EstebanMonge>what means NIH and IMHO?
02:01<xjjk>NIH = Not Invented Here and IMHO = In My Humble Opinion
02:01<xjjk>NIH is the mentality that because you didn't create it, you should write it again
02:02<xjjk>even though the original tool work fine
02:02<xjjk>there are reasons to rewrite things, like licensing and freedom for example
02:02<EstebanMonge>yes... I want more integration with e17
02:02<xjjk>I haven't used e17 in a while
02:02<xjjk>what is there to integrate?
02:02<EstebanMonge>but I dont know good about efl
02:02<EstebanMonge>for example
02:02<EstebanMonge>the actual file manager is poor
02:03<xjjk>e's file manager?
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02:03<EstebanMonge>one idea is select files and make a right click burn it
02:03<xjjk>I see
02:03<EstebanMonge>because this I use pcmanfm and brasero
02:03<EstebanMonge>I use a netbook
02:03<EstebanMonge>generally use brasero and after unistall
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02:10<EstebanMonge>yes e17 have a little file manager
02:10<EstebanMonge>also admin usb mass storage and put in the desktop
02:10<EstebanMonge>have a speaker icon, batery meter and another utils
02:10<EstebanMonge>more familiar to de
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02:33<jerryclunsford>I messed up the internet connection on one of my debian machines I installed the athene desktop and after it installed my browser will not connect to websites
02:35<jerryclunsford>it changed the host name and host settings i have tried to replace them in the network settings and it looks like they are right but still nothing
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02:37<kubyz>rebuenas =)(
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03:01<AgentJose1>Hi, I'm trying to configure ssh to disallow password logins and only use SSH Keys. I've read through the documentation and set PasswordAuthentication to no in /etc/ssh/ssh_config. I've restarted ssh using /etc/init.d/ssh restart. However logins with passwords are still permitted. Am I missing a step?
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03:03<locklace>AgentJose1: the correct config file is /etc/ssh/sshd_config
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03:05<AgentJose1>Thanks locklace, Seriously this was a "let me just sit down at my computer and fix this one thing before I go to be...HOLY CRAP I've spent 2 hours on this!" problem.
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03:58<jerryclunsford>I installed another desktop environment on my debian lenny machine and now it doesn't resolve domain names not even localhost i have to put in
04:00<jerryclunsford>where are the config files for the DNS I have tried replacing them in network settings.
04:00<locklace>jerryclunsford: /etc/nsswitch.conf, /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/hosts
04:01<jerryclunsford>locklace thanks
04:01<jerryclunsford>I'll take a look and see if they are correct there
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04:06<jerryclunsford>locklace sorry to bother you again but how can I access resolv.conf and hosts?
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04:08<locklace>what do you mean access
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04:08<locklace>they're just text files
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04:09<jerryclunsford>they are locked on this one I guess I can use vim
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04:11<locklace>what do you mean locked
04:12<jerryclunsford>can't open them from the file browser to look at them
04:13<jerryclunsford>I opened them in vim and resolv.conf has the correct DNS address for the ISP
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04:14<cool>he y
04:14<jerryclunsford>Do I need to have domain.invalid it is on my other lenny amd64 machine (it works)
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04:14<cool>is it
04:14<locklace>heh. no
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04:15<cool>any 1 teach me metasploit
04:15<locklace>cool: no. this channel is for debian support
04:15<locklace>jerryclunsford: at the minimum you should have an entry for localhost in /etc/hosts that points to
04:16<cool>im nwbie
04:16<locklace>jerryclunsford: other names should be resolved through dns, via appropriate nameserver lines in resolv.conf
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04:17<cool>can u teach mea
04:18<jerryclunsford>I used the DNS addresses from my ISP I connect through a dsl modem should I have the address of the modem or the dns server addresses?
04:18<cool>i hv got an open port 80 wit ver Microsoft IIS webserver 6.0 any scripts to intrude in
04:18<cool>dns address
04:19<cool>bcoz it resolves ur ip add
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04:21<locklace>cool: go away. and stop talking like a fucking idiot
04:21<cool>thank u fking slut i said im newbie
04:21<locklace>jerryclunsford: the address of any reachable dns server. verify you can actually reach it with a ping
04:21<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
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04:24<jerryclunsford>locklace Thanks
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04:26<jerryclunsford>I know I can reach the modem I accessed it's set up just now to get the dns addresses
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04:26<locklace>jerryclunsford: if your dns server isn't working, you can try one that will definitely work, assuming your network is working:
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04:27<jerryclunsford>the net is working I am my debian amd 64 machine right next to the one that doesn't work
04:28<victor>Could anyone teach me how to copy a image into the cliploard?
04:28<victor>in command line preferably
04:29<dpkg>There is no spoon.
04:35<jerryclunsford>Ok I have a dns address (the same as this computer) that the computer can ping the hosts should be correct localhost
04:36<jerryclunsford>will I have to stop and start anything other than the browser because it doesn't work jet
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04:37<locklace>if the nameservers in your resolv.conf are reachable, dns resolution will work
04:37<locklace>test it with dig or nslookup
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04:38<locklace>and make sure you don't have avahi-daemon running since it tends to screw everything up
04:38<jerryclunsford>well avahi-deamon is running on this one not the dead one
04:40<jerryclunsford>spoke too soon it is on the dead one
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04:44<jerryclunsford>will the lookup in network tools work I don't have nslookup
04:44<cinch>morning :)
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04:46<jerryclunsford>well no luck the nsswitch.conf is just like the one on my amd 64 machine
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04:49<jerryclunsford>the resolve.conf is the same and the hosts should be correct but still can't resolve domain names not even the localhost.
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04:54<jerryclunsford>well there is one I know will work back up all critical files and reinstall OS
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04:59<locklace>jerryclunsford: sounds like your problem is basic network connectivity failure
04:59<locklace>jerryclunsford: can you even ping your default gateway
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04:59<jerryclunsford>yes I can acces the gateway configuration utility
05:00<jerryclunsford>i can ping the gate way even ping the DNS address you gave me earlier
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05:02<locklace>jerryclunsford: what's in your resolv.conf
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05:04<jerryclunsford>resolv.conf is search domain.invalid (next line) nameserver
05:04<jerryclunsford>that is exactly what the resolv.conf is for this machine also
05:04<locklace>jerryclunsford: can you replace it with the single line "nameserver"
05:05<jerryclunsford>yes I can
05:05<locklace>jerryclunsford: then after doing that, try: "ping"
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05:06<jerryclunsford>No joy
05:06<locklace>what happens?
05:07<locklace>"ping" fails but "ping" works?
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05:10<jerryclunsford>ping works when I ping from terminal it resolves and take about 72 ms takes 28 ms
05:10<valdyn>jerryclunsford: so everything is fine
05:12<jerryclunsford>but if I ping www.opendns form network tools it cannot be found and browser still doesn't work
05:12<locklace>i don't even know what "network tools" is
05:12<locklace>there's a reason i've been asking you to use standard command line tools like ping and dig
05:12<valdyn>jerryclunsford: aptitude reinstall libnss-mdns
05:13<jerryclunsford>it's I used command line ping and it did resolve but browser doesn't work
05:14<@Ganneff>restart your browser
05:14<jerryclunsford>did that
05:15<jerryclunsford>sorry I'm not familiar with dig
05:17<locklace>jerryclunsford: what does "grep hosts /etc/nsswitch.conf" return
05:18<jerryclunsford>valdyn aptitude reinstall libnss-mdns did not help
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05:18<jerryclunsford>locklace I will check
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05:20<swordfish>which is best linux for new bee
05:20<locklace>!start a distro war
05:20<dpkg>Yggdrasil forever.
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05:20<jerryclunsford>is that the syntax all one line
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05:22<swordfish>can any one say what is the use of dpkg ....i am new to linux
05:22<locklace>!tell swordfish about dpkg
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05:23<jerryclunsford>locklace returned hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4
05:24<locklace>jerryclunsford: can you change that line to just "hosts: files dns" instead, then restart your desktop and try again
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05:25<swordfish>locklace i don't no abt that
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05:28<jerryclunsford>locklace ok must to make sure defore i same this resolv.conf line hosts is changed to hosts: files dns correct
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05:32<boby>what is the irc server for kubuntu?
05:32<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
05:33<jerryclunsford>locklace changed and restarted still not working
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05:46<jerryclunsford>locklace thanks for the help I learned some even if I didn't get it working.
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06:03<smv>am trying to install sid using the daily installer in expert mode. after giving me the choice to select which mirror to use, it doesn't ask me with distro. am i missing something?
06:03<jonnie_r>Hi, I have just installed Debian 5.0.5 LXDE after trying other distros. Where do I find Thunderbird? Tried apt-get but package not found
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06:07<jpinx-eeepc>jonnie_r: aptitude search thunderbird
06:07<jerryclunsford>try ice dove it is debians rebranded thunderbird
06:07<rozie>jonnie_r: the name is icedove
06:08<jerryclunsford>that should be icedove
06:08<jpinx-eeepc>jonnie_r: aptitude search icedove
06:08<jerryclunsford>just like iceweasel is firefox
06:08<jonnie_r>cheers, tried searching everywhere to thunderbird but will search icebird. thanks again :)
06:09<jerryclunsford>that is icedove
06:09<jpinx-eeepc>jonnie_r: icedove
06:09<rozie>jonnie_r: BTW, how does LXDE in Lenny work?
06:10<jpinx-eeepc>rozie: very much so - I am using it
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06:10<rozie>I have LXDE on testing/unstable and I'm pretty happy, but on some machines I have Lenny. KDE 3.5 is fine, but if LXDE 0.3 is OK, I'd probably switch
06:10<locklace>jerryclunsford: if you made the correct modification to nsswitch.conf so the hosts: line just lists "files dns", and if you can reach the nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf with ping and resolution works on the commandline, but you're still having problems with gui applications, there's something wrong with those applications
06:11<jpinx-eeepc>rozie: I have lxde running in lenny for over a year without issues
06:11<jonnie_r>thanks for the correction. how far behind thunderbird is icedove? i noticed the version was
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06:11<rozie>0.3 vs. 0.5 makes me a little worry about features and stability, and KDE runs fine, so never had motivation for switching...
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06:12<rozie>jonnie_r: it's just a name. the same version
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06:12<jpinx-eeepc>rozie: my motivation was size and speed in my eeepc
06:12<rozie>Thb 2.0 = Icedove 2.0
06:12<jerryclunsford>evolution mail quit at the same time as browser as did x-chat
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06:13<jerryclunsford>locklace every gui progam that uses dns resolution died.
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06:14<rozie>jpinx-eeepc: will have to try, then. KDE 4 in testing was a little heavy, I liked the idea of LXDE, so on weaker machine I already switched. Just waited for Squeeze to switch, but if it's OK in Lenny... will switch now. ;-]
06:14<rozie>thx for info
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06:19<jerryclunsford>well Thank you and good morning, day evening or night as the case may be.
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06:31<s4br3>My hda is running out of space. Hi, what is the easiest way to install large programs like sauerbraten warsow etc on a second physical hard drive already mounted as /home/hdb?
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06:42<karme>s4br3: are you using lvm?
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06:43<s4br3>How would I check?
06:43<karme>s4br3: hmm you say already mounted => lvm is not an option then
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06:43<karme>s4br3: if you don't know it you likely don't
06:43<karme>s4br3: but you can type "lvm" as root in a terminal
06:43<s4br3>Linux Volume Manager?
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06:44<karme>s4br3: yes
06:44<s4br3>bash: lvm: command not found
06:44<yziquel>hi. i'm doing a debian package where there are two executables. how do i get to create and package a symbolic link to one executable?
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06:45<karme>s4br3: by install you mean installation via the package manager / or a manual local install?
06:46<s4br3>I normally install using aptitude, as it keeps the dependencies in order for me. But, I can't seem to understand how to make it install on the new spacious hd
06:47<karme>you can copy/move part of the directory tree over to the new disk, using either a new partition on the new disk or a bind mount
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07:23<mrservon>hey guys. Is there a program that will let me use my keyboard to emulate a mouse?
07:23<moldovean>mouseemu ?
07:24<mrservon>the manpage for that program says its for a mouse with 2 buttons to emulate a 3 button. I have found this program called keymouse but it won't compile because it can't find "uinput"
07:24<mrservon>no it did compile Im sorry it just wont run
07:25<mrservon>unable to open() uinput device
07:25<mrservon>cool let me check that
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07:27<mrservon>also, is there a realiable alternative to iceweasel? something better suited for low end systems but still can handle CSS?
07:30<cthuluh>iirc dillo is very lightweight and it supports a bit of CSS, but it's only in unstable
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07:31<cthuluh>you can try browsers based on webkit, they may be not so heavy (midori, usbl...)
07:31<moldovean>, versions dillo
07:31<judd>dillo -- etch: 0.8.5-4.1
07:31<cthuluh>oh it has been removed from unstable too? :(
07:32<moldovean>mrservon, uinput is in linux-headers
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07:34<mrservon>molodoven: Ill try to reconfigure my program to search there
07:35<moldovean>mrservon, mouseemu emulate at list 2 buttons on F11/12 ? (apple mouse has/had only one button ..)
07:36<moldovean>mrservon, install linux-headers for your kernel
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07:36<s4br3>karme: thans for "bind mount"!
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07:38<mrservon>im using voyage linux. do I need to get thier kernal headers specficcaly
07:38<moldovean>mrservon, ask in your distrib irc channel
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07:39<moldovean>!bind mount
07:39<dpkg>If you want to bind mount a directory somewhere else: mount -t $filesystem --bind /dev /chrooted/system/dev (for example). $filesystem is whatever FS that directory is mounted as, be it tmpfs or jfs or .... read man mount (and do /bind) for details.
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07:45<dpkg><ricky_clarkson> A girl has invited me to learn it with her, from a video, in her bedroom :)
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07:47<dpkg><mdadmtime> what does it mean if a raid array has state "dirty"? <asg> mdadmtime: it previously stored pr0n
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07:48<jpinx-eeepc>moldovean: are you bored? :)
07:49<moldovean>pure hasard ..
07:49<dpkg><t-jack> I have a 17-inch dysfunctional $Piece_Of_Hardware...
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08:01<mrservon__>anyone know about a shape.h no such file or directory
08:01<moldovean>mrservon, ask in your distrib irc channel
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09:17<eightyeight>moldovean: curious why you think he's not running debian
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09:18<ghost>bonjour tlm
09:18<ghost>ça va ?
09:18<ghost>j'aurai besoin d'un renseignement enfin 2, c possibles ?
09:19<ghost>french or english ?
09:19<gsimmons>eightyeight: Use of Voyage Linux was previously stated by mrservon.
09:19<eightyeight>ghost: this is an english channel. check #debian-fr for friench
09:19<ghost>ok, tank
09:20<eightyeight>gsimmons: ok
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09:25<vortexetrov>Hi everybody.. could somebody help me with a probably simple thing ? I've installed testing (snapshot) onto my desktop PC. And the Xorg Server.. and KDE. Now, after a reboot, the system is using fbuffer mode, nice little characters, even in console mode.. that's what I like. But after that, if I launch KDE, nothing is coming (PC loads).
09:25<vortexetrov>I think the system might want to change resolution or I don't know.. how can I reconfigure resolution, color etc ?
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09:28<ikarus>anyone know where I should drop complex upgrade bugs (stable -> testing)
09:30<ansgar>ikarus: I guess "reportbug upgrade-reports"
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09:38<ikarus>because it's a MESS at the moment, udev, depending on a kernel upgrade and grub2 not actually working (luckily the boot entry on grub legacy works)
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10:41<lyzaa>hye guys..i got big problem here..i've update my system which apt-get update && upgrade and suddently installed new avahi-daemon and remove current avahi-daemon..when i reboot my pc, then no KDM anymore and when i ran in safe mode..there's a lot of command i cant use such as id, sudo, and so anyone please help me..
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10:45<mortisha>hi is there a list of default users that come with debian?
10:45<mortisha>or arent there any apart from root?
10:47<slush>mortisha: there are several
10:47<slush>look in /etc/passwd
10:48<mortisha>and how to list default groups?
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10:49<slush>groups are in /etc/group
10:49<mortisha>slush: i see 'irc' is already a user, how to login as this user?
10:49<mortisha>does it come with a password?
10:50<slush>you don't and no, probably not
10:50<lyzaa>Is anyone can help my problems?
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10:50<mortisha>slush: why cant i login as that? i want to run an ircd on user 'irc' lol
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10:52<mortisha>slush: it cant be used for that?
10:52<mortisha>or should i just su - irc?
10:53<slush>you can use it for that, and you could use su - irc, but you probably have some issues with the environment
10:53<slush>+will somewhere
10:54<mortisha>best to just delete it and create a user 'irc'?
10:54<mortisha>what is it for?
10:54<mortisha>i see the default path is /var/run/ircd
10:54<mortisha>no ircd installed yet
10:54<slush>lyzaa: sounds like your problem is, that the partition with /usr/ on it isnt mounted
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10:56<lyzaa>slush:, how does it can be and how to solve it?
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10:58<slush>mortisha: best to build it with your own account and then run it as user irc
10:58<lyzaa>slush..i only have 2 partition which is / and /home
10:58<mortisha>slush: is there an option to run an ircd as another user? :|
10:58<mortisha>never seen that option
10:58<slush>lyzaa: first, what happens if you boot?
10:59<slush>mortisha: depends on the ircd you want to use, some have a config directive, others an startup option .. some don't have either, then you could use su -c or something
11:00<mortisha>slush: so install it using apt-get is ok? and then run it as 'irc'?
11:00<lyzaa>slush: all the "OK" or "fail" does not appear..seem like no services run..and lots of command is not exist such as id, startx, sudo, and soon..
11:01<qvazar>I recnetly installed Debian. I don't know why but my video card overheats and i don't run any graphic software even. :(
11:01<slush>mortisha: you can use apt-get to install an ircd of your choice which are in the repositories
11:02<lyzaa>slush: is there a log during what happen at booting time that i can show you..
11:03<slush>lyzaa: /var/log/dmesg or maybe /var/log/boot (the latter depends on if it's turned on in /etc/default/bootlogd)
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11:08<lyzaa>slush: log of dmesg:
11:10<lyzaa>slush: aptitude log:
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11:17<slush>lyzaa: can't see anything wrong, looks to me it starts as it should
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11:20<lyzaa>slush: what should i do now.. is any log that i can show you..i really dont know what to do now.. and now i only running on livecd..
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11:24<jMCg>I'm having trouble passing "a string like this" to a daemon started with start-stop-daemon --start --exec /foo/bar -- -daemons -arguments "funny string"
11:24<slush>lyzaa: could you paste the /etc/fstab ?
11:25<slush>jMCg: you need the quotes to be passed to the daemon?
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11:26<jMCg>slush: this is what I get from '' single quotes:
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11:27<jMCg>slush: and the same with double quotes:
11:29<slush>jMCg: hmm, I'd say it has nothing to do with the quotes, just that /dev/vdb isn't available
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11:31<jMCg>slush: of course it isn't. It's only logically available to the host, once it boots up. /dev/Vg01/halia-root will become /dev/vdb.
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11:35<slush>lyzaa: when you've booted, what do you have on your screen? Do you have a login prompt or just a plain black screen?
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11:36<lyzaa>slush: i boot in verbose mode..plain black screen..
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11:37<slush>lyzaa: ah, ok .. did you try to get to a console?
11:37<lyzaa>slush: when is login..and type: said no command found
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11:39<lyzaa>slush: there is no KDM anymore..the worst thing is when i type "sudo -s" it tell that no command found again..
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11:47<slush>lyzaa: how do you login?
11:47<lyzaa>slush: it prompt in tty1..
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11:48<slush>as root or user?
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11:49<lyzaa>both can be use..but if want to change user..cannot use sudo but only su..
11:49<lfaraone>can somebody with access to a debian qeueeze system test something for me? on my box, sugar-emulator (from sugar-emulator-0.88) works normally, but if I install python-gii then it crashes on start.
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11:49<moldovean>lyzaa, is sudo installed ?
11:51<lyzaa>moldovean: yeah..installed..most of the command cannot be use now..because of this problem..
11:51<jonnie_r>i want to install either the icedove in testing or thunderbird latest but i get an unsatisfied dependancy, libasound2. Has anyone managed to install either of these?
11:51<jonnie_r>i am using debian 5.0.5 lxde
11:52<moldovean>lyzaa, safe mode is limited , use normal mode , reinstall udev (as i recall)
11:53<lyzaa>moldovean: reinstall udev? even "apt-get" show command not found.."id" also..
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11:54<moldovean>lyzaa, boot in normal mode not safe mode
11:55<lyzaa>moldovean: yes i know i normal show same result..command not found
11:56<moldovean>lyzaa, dunno , then
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11:57<lyzaa>btw..last thing i install is from:
11:57<lyzaa>im not sure either it change the system prefix $PATH or not..
11:58<moldovean>lyzaa, ask them , then ..
11:58<jhutchins_lt>lyzaa: What is your $PATH?
11:58<lyzaa>i cant check i on livecd..
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11:59<lyzaa>ok, i'll check and i'll be back..
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12:38<Blacktail>hi all
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12:51<bremner>do I have to do something special (other than choose the right font) to get utf8 text to work in urxvt?
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12:51<stu_>what comes standard with tasksel desktop in debian? gnome?
12:52<Lethalman>stu_, yes
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12:54<bremner>oh crud. LANG=C, that explains pervasive utf-8 fail
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13:30<ENOTTY>hi, im reading through the intall manual and it says "You may experience problems for some RAID levels and in combination with some bootloaders if you try to use MD for the root (/) file system"
13:30<ENOTTY>i was wondering what kind of problems and what bootloaders had these problems
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13:32<Kamzor>Will you use RAID?
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13:32<ENOTTY>i have /boot on a seperate partition that isnt backed by a raid, though
13:33<ENOTTY>so i was just wondering about /
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13:41<aaronyy>should work
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13:42<ENOTTY>okay thanks
13:43<aaronyy>you need to put raid in mkinitcpio i think
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13:45<ENOTTY>will the installer do that automatically
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13:45<aaronyy>installer will ask your to modify all configure files include mkinitcpio.conf
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13:51<MadStein>hello :)
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13:53<MadStein>im using linuxmint
13:53<MadStein>just went ion here cuz i want mint to move from ubuntu to debin :)
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13:53<MadStein>and i made my machine b00m today
13:54<MadStein>runing tests with vbox maide me crash :]
13:54<aaronyy>ENOTTY, I just noticed I am in wrong channel
13:54<aaronyy>ENOTTY, I have no idea about raid in debian
13:55<ENOTTY>okay, whatever, i already proceeded
13:55<ENOTTY>i have backups so ill be okay
13:55<phsrs>someone could help me open doors to create server cs?
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13:56<Kamzor>MadStein: What have you done?
13:56<Kamzor>too late -.-
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14:00<rking>How does aptitude store its "todo" items? When I do an aptitude upgrade from the CLI, it does nothing, but from within the curses UI, it wants to pretty much remove every package in the system. I have no idea why.
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14:02<babilen>rking: patience :)
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14:02<rking>babilen: Hehe... looked dead over there. =)
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14:04<CkhiKuzad>wow, i need to start using debian more -.- i have 128 updates to install
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14:07<stu_>hi guys, i did aptitude install kde-desktop on a fresh netinst, and when i try to startkde after that it says kpersonalize: cannot connect to X server?
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14:09<cthuluh>stu_: use startx
14:09<stu_>cthuluh: hm i don't think i have that, because there's no command, and its a minimal install (i unticked everything). what do i need for startx, aptitude x-window-system?
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14:10<bremner>stu_: at least in squeeze, it is in xinit
14:10<cthuluh>on stable too
14:10<stu_>xinit = aptget install xinit?
14:10<bremner>stu_: you may prefer a display manager like kdm or gdm for a graphical login
14:11<bremner>stu_: s/aptget/apt-get/
14:12<chealer>is it known that a ntp which Breaks: testing's dhcp3-client just migrated to testing?
14:12<turas>stu_ maybe change runlevel to 5 and try startx then
14:12<stu_>oh okay i found out why. it's x-window-system package after all
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14:16<stu_>what is the repositories for restricted packages again
14:16<stu_>dbo or something
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14:21<Guest1058>i'm pretty sure it was called backend repositories or something, can't find it on google
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14:22<petemc_>thats an ubuntu thing
14:23<stu_>petemc_, there is a repositories for versions of pidgin that support msn
14:23<stu_>i just forgot what it is
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14:25<dpkg>[backport] a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), . Ask me about <> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
14:27<stu_>oh yeah, thanks
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14:43<stuart_>which packages do i need to play all video files?
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14:49<dpkg>[dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>.
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14:53<job_>i am on squeeze and evolution stopped connecting to get my emails, send emails, and get rss. can someone help?
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14:55<stuart_>anybody know how to get sound running on a minimal install?
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14:57<job_>stuart, what do you mean by minimal? you can install without desktop then login at command and install just the packages you need.
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14:59<themill>dpkg: tell stuart_ about alsa checklist
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15:00<stuart_>is adding yourself to the audio group really necessary, because all distros recommend that but sound usually works without adding
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15:02<themill>it will only work for root if you don't
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15:02<blunderbluss>does anyone know when 10.10 is going to be released?
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15:03<themill>blunderbluss: wrong channel?
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15:03<blunderbluss>whops, yur right
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15:27<jonnie_r>has anyone managed to install thunderbird 3 on debian 5.0.5 lxde? i get an unsatisfied dependency with libasound2 but according to aptitude this is up to date
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15:31<stuart__>does anyone else get weird iceweasel rendering in kde3.5
15:31<stuart__>is it kde or is it just iceweasel?
15:31<themill>stuart__: weird in what way (works fine for me)
15:31<stuart__>themill, i don't know, some parts the fonts are huge, other parts they're tiny
15:32<stuart__>any other browsers for debian?
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15:32<themill>and I presume that's not just a dodgy page that's being rendered strangely?
15:32<stuart__>themill, nopes, looks different on other distros
15:33<themill>stuart__: that doesn't discount it from being a dodgy web page. You'd already have konqueror installed.
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15:43<stuart__>is there a package to install more fonts in debian?
15:46<themill>stuart__: "apt-cache search font" or "aptitude search ~nttf"
15:47<stuart__>themill, thanks
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15:50<stuart__>themill, have a look, , that's how my browser renders google.. aren't the fonts a lil too small?
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15:50<Quazar>Would anyone recommend me updating Xorg ?
15:50<Quazar>To current
15:50<Quazar>Not the supplied debian version which is old
15:51<themill>stuart__: you perhaps need to manually set the DPI for your X server to get it to render fonts at different sizes.
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15:54<Quazar>No one?
15:54<stuart__>how do i see the dpi of my desktop, i wanna try changing it in about:config
15:56<Quazar>themill, havn't i seen your nick on freenode O_o
15:56*Quazar opens another tab
15:56<Quazar>heh, knew as much
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15:59<kaduk>when I boot custom kernel I get error that devtmpfs is not available and that its falling back to something...
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15:59<kaduk>any help?
16:00<stuart__>in iceweasel, after typing about:config in the address bar, what are you guys value in layout.css.dpi ?
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16:01<Quazar>I uninstalled iceweasel and running 3.6.* firefox
16:01<Quazar>Just makes sense
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16:02<kaduk>is amd64 flash back to debian?
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16:03<stuart__>Quazar, what method did you use to install firefox
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16:05<Quazar>Downloaded it, put the .tar.gz in /usr/local
16:05<Quazar>Linked iceweasels old files to firefox
16:06<Quazar>Installed adobe flash
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16:06<Quazar>Did the same for Thunderbird
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16:11<upr00t>All this idle is lame
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16:11<jonnie_r>upr00t, what version of tbird are you running?
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16:21<jherher>ello all, anyone who can help me shape the mailcap?, is to add nautilus
16:22<jherher>hello all, anyone who can help me shape the mailcap?, is to add nautilus
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16:55<jonnie_r>has anyone got davmail working in debian??
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18:48<PovAddict>hi all
18:49<PovAddict>I can't manage to record audio from microphone
18:49<PovAddict>in playback audio settings, if I unmute the microphone, I get the mic input through the speakers, so the input is working
18:50<PovAddict>but no matter what I do in capture settings, apps only record super-low-volume noise
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18:58<PovAddict>found it - there is a separate alsa device called "Capture" that needs to be enabled, not only Mic
18:58<quiritius>have you tried to tweak volumes in alsamixer? you are bound to have some noise from the mic though.
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20:28<bja>Gentlemen evening, I need to estract some files out of an old xp laptop, it is not connected to any domains. How can that be achieved?
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20:40<bremner>bja: put the disk in a cheap usb housing?
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20:43<bja>bremner: cheap housing + expensive adapter, i though using samba to do the transfer and forget about the rest.
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20:44<bja>For what i can tell about samba, the xp machine will have to control the operation. Is there any other way to do it?
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20:45<PovAddict>run smbtree
20:45<cthuluh>well, just use winscp or putty to transfer the files
20:45<cthuluh>don't mess around with samba
20:46<bja>cthuluh: winscp??
20:46<cthuluh>something like that, yeah
20:46<PovAddict>winscp is a Windows client for the SCP protocol (basically file transfer over ssh)
20:46<PovAddict>so if you have a ssh server on the debian system already...
20:47<bja>Gentlemen thx a lot you just save me hours of researching
20:48<cthuluh>I've never used winscp or putty, nor windows, but it seems the easiest solution to me
20:49<PovAddict>I've used rsync in cygwin
20:49<PovAddict>a pain to set up
20:50<bja>cthuluh: i ditched windows long ago and this is the first time i need to rely on a windows machine to get some information.
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20:51<cthuluh>well, I guess one day I'll have to suffer playing with a windows too.... (-_-)
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21:02<bja>Does anyone know why gnome keeps trying to set the screen intensity to its maximum?
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21:20<Rosh>I've a simple (non-technical) question
21:20<paultag>Rosh, don't ask to ask :)
21:21<Rosh>I'm looking for a UUG meeting in nothern VA, if it exists
21:21<Rosh>paultag: I was just trying to preface it
21:21<paultag>Rosh, humm, gee I'm not sure. Check for LUGs and LoCos. I don't recall if there is a VA LoCo or not, but I guess if you are in #debian, you're not looking for an Ubuntu community
21:21<paultag>Rosh, hey man, whatever, it's cool :)
21:23<Rosh>sorry, used to #python on freenode - I go there to watch people get slammed, and am a bit wary due to that
21:23<paultag>Rosh, It's cool. I'm @ubuntu, I won't bite, and we're nice people in here
21:23<paultag>Rosh, Humm?
21:24<Rosh>I had looked on, which is a bit outdated it seems
21:24<paultag>tends to be :)
21:24<Rosh>that's a shame really
21:24<Rosh>thanks for those though
21:24<paultag>Rosh, yeah, tell me about it
21:24<paultag>Rosh, sure thing, if you get involved with the LoCos, let me know
21:24<Rosh>IRC is great, but it'd be nice to see faces
21:24<paultag>Rosh, for sure
21:25<Rosh>I'd be interested in getting involved in LoCos
21:25<Rosh>what all do you guys do?
21:25<paultag>Rosh, you mentioned you are on Freenode, #ubuntu-us-va on freenode :)
21:26<paultag>Rosh, I can explain it more in one of the Ubuntu channels :)
21:26<paultag>I have a feeling deb folks might not like me poaching :)
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21:26<Rosh>fair enough
21:26<paultag>Rosh, I'll head over to VA :)
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21:41<sasha>hello, I run update-grub and all appears to go well, but when I reboot, the old grub menu is there, any ideas anyone?
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21:48<DareDevil01>I am trying to blacklist ssb module but for some reason when i add it to the blacklist is still loading the module
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21:53<Rydin>could anyone here help me with an issue trying to play media files off a windows share
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22:09<bja>cthuluh: thx winscp is doing the job nicely
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22:16<cthuluh>bja: please don't repeat that, I'm not supposed to give advices about windows ;)
22:17<PovAddict>nothing wrong with giving advice about moving data from windows to debian
22:18<PovAddict>but if someone asks about moving data the other direction, tell him to install debian on the target machine instead :P
22:18<Kamzor>Linux --*data*--> Windows = Evil!
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22:21<bja> kernel:[ 9877.063664] journal commit I/O error
22:21<bja> What does that mean?
22:22<cthuluh>nothing good. umount && fsck
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22:26<bja>cthuluh: power failure on an external usb disk.
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23:06<jpinx-eeepc>bja: I use an extrernal usb drive almost all the time - how did yours get a powerfailure?
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23:08<PovAddict>tripped on cable? :P
23:08<jpinx-eeepc>walking across his desk? Mine's self-powered from teh USB port
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23:09<jpinx-eeepc>hence my query - I don't think it's possible to have just a powerfailure - the whole thing needs to be unplugged for that
23:10<bja>jpinx-eeepc: it seems the powercable was not properly connected
23:10<bja>I moved the hdd and it seems that was the problem
23:10<jpinx-eeepc>bja: is yours powered separately from mains?
23:12<bja>anyway, i'll make a backup and check what is inside
23:12<jpinx-eeepc>I thought the whole point of USB drives was that they are "self-powered"
23:13<bja>jpinx-eeepc: recent models are,
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23:13<jpinx-eeepc>ah :)
23:13<bja>this is not precesily the latest greates usb drive existing on earth :-)
23:13<jpinx-eeepc>me didn't realise he was so up-to-date ;)
23:14<jpinx-eeepc>bja: I use laptop sized hdd and the enclosures are really cheap now
23:14<PovAddict>in a few years you may be saying "who uses spinning disks anyway"
23:15<jpinx-eeepc>PovAddict: I am on sdd's in the eeepc, but they are still a bit flaky
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23:15<jpinx-eeepc>the system fsck's every tenth boot or so
23:16<PovAddict>if I get a SDD, I'd need a tool to make little clicks on the internal speaker during I/O
23:16<PovAddict>I'm too used to the seeking noises
23:17<PovAddict>lets me know when I'm swapping due to low RAM, for example
23:17<jpinx-eeepc>I'm looking at replacing the SDD with a newer faster biger one, but I would really like a USB enclosure for SDD so that i can do solid-state backups
23:18<PovAddict>on the other hand, I once thought my disk was dying, and turned out to be alsa was outputting to the internal speaker
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23:18<bja>I don't find solid state memory good enough for the day to day work of hdd's. That does not mean that it will not come to surpass it
23:19<jpinx-eeepc>I have successfully recovered many hdds over the years, but never an sdd - when they go it's final
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23:20<bja>cthuluh: fsck didn't throw any errors. It seems it was only the powerfailure
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23:21<cthuluh>good :)
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