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---Logopened Mon Jul 26 00:00:17 2010
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00:05<DasUberJohan>sprokette: Yeah... that apt-get autoremove sure did a load of wonderous things. Now gdm is gone, and i still don't have wireless.... it also seems to have killed off 90% of everything that was part of the system. Most of the stuff still works as in the cli stuff but all of the graphical ui stuff is completely gone.
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00:07<craigevil>DasUberJohan: the ntp bug report
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00:08<sporkette>DasUberjohan: Didn't it tell you what it was going to do, and give you the option to not continue??
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00:09<DasUberJohan>i saw only things like mono, and random things i didn't know what they were :/ oh well i guess i'm going to go back up what data's on there and end up just doing a reinstall of debian then upgrade into squeeze again.
00:11<sney>did you install squeeze directly before?
00:11<sney>also, the best way to avoid apt-get autoremove's silliness is just to use aptitude and let it autoremove on demand, rather than all at once
00:13<DasUberJohan>sney: i was originally on lenny then did a dist upgrade so that i could get more up to date items. it was workign rather flawlessly till just recently.
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00:14<sney>well, if you're going to reinstall and you plan to use squeeze, why not just install squeeze directly? more simple that way.
00:14<DasUberJohan>save a cd/complete download? XD
00:14<sney>netinst from a usb key?
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00:15<DasUberJohan>all of my usbs have bit the dust.
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00:16<sney>ok, sounds like you've got a plan
00:16<DasUberJohan>also redownloading all of debian is ~600MB i think and on my connection which is ~1.0Mb/s that'd be a rather long time.
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00:16<sney>the netinstall cd is about 125MB
00:17<sney>it gets the rest of what it needs from the internet, which is almost always still less than all of CD1
00:17<DasUberJohan>A network install or netinst CD is a single CD which enables you to install the entire operating system. This single CD contains just the minimal amount of software to start the installation and fetch the remaining packages over the Internet.
00:17<DasUberJohan>that'd be the same thing i'd already ahve to do
00:18<sney>suit yourself
00:18<DasUberJohan>i'd have to download everything anyway
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00:33<dpkg><legba7> How do i find out what makes my woody beep and do not stop to beep till i create another beep.
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00:50<k-man>where do connections to pptpd get logged?
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01:02<k-man>can anyone point me to an article on setting up a windows7 client machine to connect to a pptp vpn server on my debian box, i have set it up in the past and it works, just can't remember how to configure the client
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01:14<k-man>dbldtx: no, wrong way around, i have a host on my linux box, i need to configure win7 to connect to it
01:14<k-man>i can get my mac to successfully connect
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01:16<dbldtx>Are you using poptop?
01:17<k-man>dbldtx: damn it, i can't remember what I'm using
01:17<k-man>i have configured it in pptpd-options
01:17<k-man>in /etc/ppp
01:18<k-man>with option require-mschap-v2
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01:18<dbldtx> you are setting this up on Win7 and connecting to the Debian-hosted VPN which your mac can already do just fine?
01:19<k-man>actually, its windows vista sorry
01:19<JoshStrobl>Is a md5sum file required for themes?
01:21<dbldtx> ? I don't know. Google it a little more. I'm tempted to say !windows on this one.
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01:22<dpkg>"PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work." Support for Microsoft Windows operating systems is available at ##windows on
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01:22<k-man>thanks for the pointers dbldtx
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01:29<k-man>bah! it was trend micro getting in the way
01:29<k-man>god dam anti virus programs are more trouble than they are worth
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01:32<dbldtx>Sounds like a windows problem to me. In this room, if you say it's a (insert M$ platform application) problem, it's a windows problem. There used to be a bouncer for the room but he was was killed in action trying to remove somebody from the room whom asked a windows question.
01:32<dbldtx>...wait no sorry, he was removed because he killed somebody, got that backwards.
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02:33<austinium>hi, how can i add a PDF printer to debian?
02:34<austinium>i am running Lenny
02:35<jm_>install cups-pdf and read /usr/share/doc/cups-pdf/README.Debian
02:36<jm_>you can add a new printer in CUPS after this
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02:37<austinium>ok, i'll try that
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02:38<jm_>no worries
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02:52<austinium>where does CUPS-PDF store the pdf files it creates?
02:52<jm_>/usr/share/doc/cups-pdf/README.Debian has the answer to that
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02:54<austinium>okay :)
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02:55<austinium>is there a command to disable automounting in Gnome? I am running GNOME 2.22.3 on Debian Lenny
02:56<austinium>i know the GUI option (System>Preferences>Removable...)
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03:08<james>I am not getting any help at ubuntu
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03:08<james>They are ass holes
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03:08<Guest1237>Im trying to repartion my hd because ubunutu isnt as good as I was thinking
03:08<Guest1237> <<<< GPARTED ERROR
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03:08<Guest1237>Can somone tell me about this error
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03:17<austinium>Guest1237: have you tried unmounting the partitions before partitioning?
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03:23<jeff>anyone know of a good speaker testing program from bash
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03:25<jm_>Guest1239: try speaker-test
03:25<Guest1239>its not in the resopoirtiy?
03:26<jm_>yes it is
03:27<Guest1239>can not find speaker-test with apt-get
03:27<jm_>!find bin/speaker-test
03:27<Guest1239>im on leny
03:27<jm_>!tell Guest1239 -abotu search
03:27<jm_>!tell Guest1239 -about search
03:28<dpkg>Debian Search of 'bin/speaker-test' (1): (/usr/bin/speaker-test) in sound/alsa-utils.
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03:31<bleh>how do i allow full permissions to folder?
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05:00<linux__>shen me a ?
05:00<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
05:01<babilen>haha, jinsinanmu, linux__ : Stop it please. (@ Ganneff: They are just talking bullshit in Chinese like "What?" "I don't know" "oh" no content - I smell troll given that they all have the same IP)
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06:52<clinton>how do I write an apt preferences pin which matches all packages that exists in sources.list?
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06:53<babilen>clinton: Match against "*" ?
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06:59<clinton>so this won't match packages that aren't found in sources.list?
07:00<babilen>clinton: What are those packages anyway?
07:00<babilen>* matches *all* packages
07:00<clinton>packages which came from sources which have been since removed from sources.list
07:01<clinton>basically I want to do Package: * Pin: (all packages which have versions in sources.list) Pin-Priority: 1001
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07:01<bremner>clinton: you know about "aptitude search ~o" ?
07:02<babilen>Ah, you might want to match against other things then ... Something like: "Pin: release o=Debian,a=stable" (which would match packages from Debian's stable branch_
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07:02<clinton>babilen: will that include all packages in sources.list
07:02<babilen>clinton: What are you trying to do? That sounds like you are attempting to downgrade your system?
07:03<clinton>babilen: I'm attempting to rollback changes due to installing a few packages from debian-multimedia
07:04<babilen>clinton: Well, why don't you just remove those packages and install them again (from Debian's repos)?
07:04<clinton>apt-show-versions | grep 'No available' is the packages I want to remove and reinstall
07:04<babilen>clinton: You can match packages from dmm with "Pin: origin
07:04<clinton>but I can't remove them because there are others that depend on them
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07:05<jm_>!which repo
07:05<jm_>crap :)
07:05<babilen>jm_: shouldn't that work?
07:05<babilen>!what repo
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07:05<babilen>dpkg: wb
07:05<dpkg>thanks, babilen. It's good to be back.
07:05<babilen>!what repo
07:05<dpkg>A Debian repository is a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with <apt>. A HOWTO (outdated since <secure apt>) is available at . Ask me about <list repositories>.
07:05<jm_>babilen: a few seconds before it signed off :)
07:05<babilen>!which repo
07:05<dpkg>To see what repository a package may have come from, try , or use dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9.\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>, or, or <bpo list>, or <dmm list>
07:06<babilen>!dmm list
07:06<dpkg>To get a list of all the packages you have installed from aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages))' -F'%100p'. Also ask me about <which repo>.
07:07<clinton>babilen: I think I've already got a list of packages: from "apt-show-versions | grep 'No available'"
07:08<babilen>clinton: Which release are you tracking?
07:09<clinton>it just a matter of forcing apt to downgrade or alternatively, uninstall and install this packages in one run (so it doesn't remove dependent packages)
07:09<clinton>babilen: lenny
07:09<babilen>clinton: If you pin all debian packages to a priority > 1000 they will replace other (i.e. higher) versions
07:10<babilen>clinton: So pinning "Package: *\nPin: release o=Debian,a=stable
07:10<babilen>Pin-Priority: 1001" should do what you want
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07:10<clinton>babilen: I don't want to replace all packages that aren't in the official archive
07:11<clinton>babilen: for example, I'm using some packages from backports I believe
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07:11<babilen>after that run "aptitude reinstall '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages))'"
07:11<babilen>clinton: have to work now ... one second
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07:12<clinton>babilen: I've also got sources from wine, oolite and webtoolkit
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07:12<clinton>which are more up to date than stable
07:13<clinton>I don't want to downgrade these
07:13<clinton>I just want to downgrade software that no longer exists in sources.list
07:13<clinton>like Debian Multimedia, which I have removed
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07:15<themill>clinton: "/msg dpkg not available" to get a list of packages that are no longer found in your sources.list. You'll have to do some more frigging to work out which ones are actually available from somewhere else and then aptitude install package=version on them.
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07:21<Hatrix>Hello, not sure if this is the right channel, but I have an HP / Debian 5 / Server question. We have a HP Proliant Blade BL460c with a nc532i network card. We had oopses and panics and a HP advisory with similar problems mentions a kernel-module upgrade. But HP only provides a src-rpm. No i check the Debian package websites and there is a firmware version in backports for lenny, which has a firmware release of, whereas the HP dri
07:21<Hatrix>says "netxtreme2-5.0.17-1" will fix the problem. So I downloaded the latest HP driver, which definitly should include the fix, however, my question is, what is the difference between "Debian Firmware release" and HP src-rpm for driver "netxtreme2-5.2.57-3.src.rpm".
07:22<Hatrix>Is a compile of the redhat src-rpm nearly the same as downloading the new debian firmware?
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07:22<Hatrix>Or will I need new firmware as well with the src-rpm from HP? ... Hope someone can help me on this one ...
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07:25<bremner>I don't know anything about that package specifically, but the debian version _sounds_ newer, and _should_ contain the fix as well.
07:25<Hatrix>and, if I download the backported new debian firmware packet, would I need a new kernel module also?
07:25<Hatrix>bremner: ok, so, basically debian "firmware" is more or less the same as HP src-rpm driver?
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07:26<bremner>Hatrix: well, difficult to say with confidence, but the src-rpm is presumable the source to make an equivalent package on RedHatish systems
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07:27<Hatrix>this whole debian "firmware" thing is very confusing for me, I understand the Licence problems etc. but it's a real PITA to administrate. So, basically, if I check the src-rpm, would I find a binary firmware blob in there?
07:27<bremner>the debian package should explain (in /usr/share/doc/packagename) what it needs.
07:28<bremner>Hatrix: it seems likely that there is a firmware blob in it, yes.
07:28<bremner>(with the continued disclaimer that I am just guessing here)
07:28<Hatrix>bremner ok, then I will check it out ... with a brief overview of the src-rpm i only found .c files, but maybe the firmware is in one of them as inline asm or something like that ...
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07:29<bremner>Hatrix: why don't you try the debian package and see if it fixes your problems?
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07:31<Hatrix>bremner: yes, that's what i will do, the problem is the bug is so unreliable to trigger, i had month of continous operation without problems, and a total breakdown from last thursday onwards, with no changes in the environment, so, i'l hope I can reproduce it at least a few times so i'l can have a better feeling if the new firmware will fix it ... PITA i'l tell yeah ...
07:31<Hatrix>I just hoped someone can explain me clearly where the debian firmware package comes from and how it differs from the src-rpm ... :-)
07:32<bremner>Hatrix: apt-get source packagename will give you the source of a debian package, if your sources.list is set up for it
07:32<jm_>check the relevant package page on
07:33<Hatrix>bremner: , jm_, yes, thats one thing I will look into right away, did'nt come to me downloading the debian source, but its rather obvious ...
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07:59<AceKing>Whenever I start my PC and open any program the minimize, maximize, close buttons are missing. I need to log out and log back in for them to re appear. Is there a way to fix this?
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08:43<cinch>is there a channel related to debian documentation? or the debian wiki?
08:45<cinch>haven't seen on in the channel list, i propose: #debian-doc
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08:46<gernot>Man! Squeeze used to run so nicely for the last year or so but recently it has been a pain. Wifi transfer speeds basically broken (wl), keyboard kernel removed without a warning, battery reported as empty and now X crashed (or something) while I wasn't there. Is anybody else having more issues than normal or am I just lucky?
08:48<babilen>gernot: FWIW I don't experience problems like that.
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08:51<gsimmons>cinch: WRT the wiki, #debian-www on this network.
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08:59<cinch>gsimmons: cheers for that, ill hang out there. for official debian documentation, like the installation guide/debian faq i'll be in #debian-doc. i hope those documents get updated sometime :)
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09:01<bremner>cinch: it might be better to find the appropriate team within debian than hope they find your IRC channel.
09:02<bremner>for example, the installer team lives in #debian-boot
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09:10<cinch>you're probably right. for now, i'm basically trying to raise awareness of the issue and hope supporters will gather in this new channel. documentation writers can discuss in here. feedback/lurking is welcomed :)
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09:13<ger_>how can i install the english language to debian on a installed system
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09:29<paul_>how to install additional debian languages. I done a netinstall and there is only one language available
09:29<petemc_>dpkg-reconfigure locales
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09:32<paul_>petemc_, done this. I choosed english but It isnt installed
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09:32<paul_>Default locale for the system enviroment : None, de_DE.UTF-8
09:34<petemc_>you'll need to log out
09:34<petemc_>and back in
09:35<felixs>paul_: locale -a lists all installed locales.
09:36<paul_>now it works perfectly. I only choose only language and would choose with enter but I have to enter space and then enter :-D
09:37<paul_>thanks you both :)
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09:39<paul_>oh sorry
09:39<paul_>wrong window :P
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10:27<gatita>alguien habla español?
10:27<themill>!ubuntu-es gatita
10:27<dpkg>gatita: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en Ahi recibira mas soporte.
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10:32<gatita>no veas como cambia de nombre eh
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10:38<felixs>im trying to mount / -o remount,ro. for some reason mount wants to write /etc/, how can i avoid this? (-n only prevents from writing /etc/mtab...)
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10:40<rozie>felixs: I know solution...
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10:42<felixs>rozie: you do?
10:42<rozie>there's translation build in (left, down)
10:42<rozie>and link to debian wiki where's description
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10:44<felixs>rozie: thank you, that seems to address the problem.
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10:48<rozie>felixs: np :-)
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10:50<sylar>something is wrong with my ntpd
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11:31<sarc>I am trying to permanently throttle NIC speed on BCM57710 using ethtool, but it is not taking the new speed setting. Someone suggested looking at modules.conf, but that was under RedHat. Does Debian have something similar?
11:31<felixs>sarc: module parameters are set in /etc/modprobe.d/
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11:33<sarc>is there a place where I can set the NIC speed at boot/
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11:36<felixs>sarc: if its a module parameter, you want to put it into /etc/modprobe.d/nicspeed, if its a command, put it after pre-up into /etc/network/interfaces. man interfaces
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11:38<coder>How to install kde3.5 in lenny?
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11:44<moldovean>!install kde
11:44<dpkg>For KDE3, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, 'kdebase' is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at the boot prompt of any of the installers. For more details, see See also <kde version> <install kde4>.
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12:09<sarc>i created a script for init.d to set my NIC speed settings. It is running correctly, but it is being called twice. I loaded with the defaults using rc-update.d. What is calling it a second time?
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12:21<sarc>i changed the script name in init.d from "100MB" to "throttlenic" and it works fine now. Is this a bug?
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12:21<kop>sarc: Something in rcS?
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12:21<sarc>i think it is the characters I am using in the name...
12:22<kop>sarc: You'd have to read the rc script to see
12:22<sarc>i seem to remember having this problem once before
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13:04<knard>bonsoir tout le monde, j'aurais aimé savoir s'il y avait un moyen d'être tenu au courant de l'évolution de la testing ?
13:05<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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14:04<omeddragon>my repo is not downloading I made a change in download from to other url but i can't download
14:05<jollysnowman>what did you do?
14:05<omeddragon>I just change the url
14:06<omeddragon>in software sources
14:06<jollysnowman>in sources.list? from what to what
14:06<retrospectacus>and why?
14:06<omeddragon>looking for better speed to download
14:06<jollysnowman>what are the exact changes?
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14:07<omeddragon>I add
14:07<omeddragon>for or something
14:07<jollysnowman>what exactly is the output?
14:08<jollysnowman>you need to be as specific as possible, please. copying/pasting terminal output helps
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14:08<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <>, or <wgetpaste>.
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14:10<jollysnowman>use sorry about that
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14:36<SARC>I just installed splashy on Debian Lenny... trying to use it with only test login (tty1)... anyone experienced it going to a black screen after boot?
14:36<SARC>*text login
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14:40<SARC>would anyone be willing to look at the init.d script to see what may be causing this behavior?
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14:42<SARC>or perhaps, is there a way to prevent tty1 from going to slep?
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14:55<digitaldefector>i can't burn multisession. what could be causing this?
14:56<deniz>could someone please help me get compiz working in debian
14:56<deniz>compiz --replace makes my windows have no borders
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14:56<deniz>(I have an ATI Radeon HD4850)
14:57<deniz>i'm sure it's something so minute but for years literally i haven't been able to enjoy compiz on debian :(, I'm hoping someone could change that for me
14:57<deniz>(using GNOME)
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14:58<retrospectacus>deniz: is it working other than missing window decorations?
14:58<deniz>retrospectacus, no, i checked
14:59<deniz>retrospectacus, what packages do i NEED to get it working?
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14:59<deniz>retrospectacus, do i need to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
14:59<retrospectacus>deniz: packages are probably fine. just needs proper configuration.
15:00<retrospectacus>you may need to, I'll paste mine which works for compiz but I have a nvidia card
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15:00<deniz>retrospectacus, ok ill try it but i think nvidia has different requirements, but ya ill try it anyways
15:01<deniz>i didn't touch xorg.conf at all for compiz
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15:01<retrospectacus>does running compiz --replace show some output? error?
15:02<retrospectacus>you may try installing compizconfig-settings-manager and fusion-icon
15:03<retrospectacus>don't use sudo
15:03<deniz>retrospectacus, why not?
15:03<retrospectacus>you need to run it on the user's desktop login, running it as root is not useful
15:04<retrospectacus>root has no display
15:04<deniz>o i thought you meant su vs sudo
15:04<deniz>(i use both)
15:04<retrospectacus>use neither here
15:05<deniz>retrospectacus, do i need to configure via ccsm because it still is effectless
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15:05<deniz>retrospectacus, actualkly
15:05<deniz>ill restart gnome
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15:05<deniz>or comp actually
15:05<deniz>so brb
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15:06<babilen>nice one :)
15:06<sarc2>retrospectacus, is there a way to prevent terminal from going to sleep?
15:07<babilen>what do you mean?
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15:07<sarc2>when splashy finishes loading my terminal is asleep (aka screen is blank)
15:07<deniz>retrospectacus, i put the xorg u have except that i changed nvidia to readeon and i ran the command as user and still no effects
15:07<sarc2>i have to hit a key to wake it up
15:08<deniz>retrospectacus, however i did not lose my borders
15:08<deniz>retrospectacus, the losing borders thing is because of running it as root i'm guessing
15:08<retrospectacus>!tell sarc2 -about blanking
15:08<retrospectacus>sarc2: not sure if that will help with splashy
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15:09<retrospectacus>deniz: what is the output now when you run it as user
15:09<deniz>similar if not same, ill post wait
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15:12<retrospectacus>deniz: I recommend to start/stop/configure compiz with the "fusion-icon" tool
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15:13<retrospectacus>deniz: I recommend to start/stop/configure compiz with the "fusion-icon" tool
15:13<deniz>retrospectacus, if you said something i didn't see it
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15:13<deniz>except the line right above me saying that i didn't see what you said
15:13<retrospectacus>that was it
15:14<deniz>k i have fusion-icon now
15:14<deniz>i just run "fusion-icon" without the quotes?
15:14<retrospectacus>I'm going to eat, try the fusion-icon, also ask #compiz on freenode, they probably know more
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15:14<deniz>retrospectacus, ok thanks for getting me this far though, enjoy your meal :)
15:15<retrospectacus>yeah it will put a thing in the notification area to click, does things :)
15:16<babilen>deniz: Have you checked → Troubleshooting? Your problem is discussed there
15:16<deniz>i saw that page but didn't see that
15:17<deniz>=oh my god
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15:17<deniz>(in a good way)
15:17<deniz>let me do it
15:17<deniz>what it says
15:17<deniz>so i DO need ccsm
15:17<babilen>yeah, sure ... I somehow pictured you to sit in front of your computer looking like: o_O
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15:18<babilen>Looks like it - I have never used compiz, but it is worth a try :)
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15:21<deniz>o wait, my problem is no longer the borders
15:21<deniz>it's that no effects work
15:21<deniz>well that's my current problem
15:21<deniz>i'll try enabling everything to see
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15:26<deniz>ok the effects are not working
15:26<deniz>i'll try #compiz but if someone has a solution, do not hesistate to tell me :)
15:26<babilen>deniz: Well, then try #compiz! Good luck :)
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15:29<deniz>babilen, thanks
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15:36<sarc2>babilen: any thoughts on why my terminal is asleep after splashy finishes with boot screen?
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15:43<babilen>sarc2: I guess it has something to do with framebuffer -- Does the same happen if you start a graphical login manager like gdm?
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15:44<babilen>I guess that splashy wasn't developed with the "login to a tty" user in mind, and it might be a bug/nuisance with splashy if you boot into text mode.
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15:45<babilen>sarc2: You could as in #splashy on if you want to get in contact with the developers ... They certainly know more about splashy than me
15:45<sarc2>yeah i was in irc.freenode but no one was responding
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15:47<sarc2>is there a clever way i could wake up terminal via script, etc?
15:47<streuner>well, keep in mind many people who are here are also in FN, you will get many point now ;-)
15:48<sarc2>ha, i didnt think of that
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15:48<sarc2>i meant there was no response in #splashy in freenode
15:49<streuner>well, #debian is important for us
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15:49<sarc2>yeah, i see your point
15:49<babilen>sarc2: Be patient, or try other ways to get that information:
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15:51<sarc2>streuner: does "us" mean you are involved with splashy in some form?
15:51<streuner>nah,i dunno know what slashy is at all
15:51<sarc2>ok, ill try other means. thanks for help
15:52<babilen>streuner: consider yourself happy :)
15:53<sarc2>happy or lucky?
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15:55<retrospectacus>I tried splashy once on my Eeepc and it made it not boot. I removed it and now I still get a splashy error on every boot
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15:57<streuner>sounds like a PITA :-)
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15:58<retrospectacus>yeah I recommend against it. Much more trouble than it's worth, which is purely cosmetic
15:58<sarc2>it seems to work just fine, however my console is asleep when it finishes booting.. of course i guess that means it doesnt
15:58<sarc2>"work just fine"
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15:59<babilen>sarc2: Well - it is also a very minor problem. I still hope that you are able to solve it though.
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16:00<sarc2>yeah, but from a user's view point booting to a blank screen is a major issue
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16:00<retrospectacus>sarc2, don't you have gnome supposed to be starting after boot?
16:01<babilen>sarc2: As I said: The typical splashy user will not boot to text mode/console ...
16:01<sarc2>im not running GUI
16:01<sarc2>yes babilen, i agree with this
16:01<frobe>I just bought a vizio 32" lcd 720p from but I think I made a mistake because its the eco/green model contrast 50000:1 when for the same price i could have the vizio 32" non eco model contrast 100000:1
16:01<babilen>sarc2: I don't see much we can do for you. Yes, it is a hassle and probably a bug, even if few users run into it.
16:02<retrospectacus>frobe: I don't think you'll get Debian running on it then
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16:02<babilen>frobe: Cancel the order and get the non eco model -- but how is this related to Debian?
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16:03<sarc2>babilen: i thought maybe there would be a way to wake up the console via another script
16:03<frobe>too late orderd on sat shiped nsunday no cancle on website closed on sunday
16:03<frobe>no 1800 number
16:04<frobe>bad timeing
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16:04<frobe>called this morning 7am on the dot said already left warhouse
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16:05<frobe>i thought it was strange that they are closed on sunday but yet it shiped on sunday.
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16:06<babilen>frobe: send it back, place a new order -- still why #debian? I would consider a off-topic channel like #defocus
16:07<frobe>babilen: already planning on it geeks said they will give me inhous credit but hopefully will be painless and no stupid shipping snags
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16:08<frobe>*RMA return is what they said but cant move forward untill I recieve the box
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16:09<frobe>* and you know how that stuff can go sometimes
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16:11<frobe>woried it might get lost or damaged or smtin during return process
16:12<frobe>* have to go through all the hastls, on the other hand might be a smooth transaction who knows im just stressin
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16:13<frobe> is a good company just kinda small
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16:14<frobe>just dont want any snaggs
16:15<babilen>frobe: We don't care about it. Stop spamming/being off-topic please.
16:15<frobe>my bad
16:16<frobe>you should check out the website though they have lots of good stuff at discount prices
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16:17<babilen>!ops frobe spams the channel
16:17<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: babilen complains about: frobe spams the channel
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16:18<zobel>frobe: please behave
16:18<frobe>IIIIM Sorry
16:19<frobe>what was the topic again
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16:19<babilen>frobe: Try "/topic" -- the name of the channel (i.e. #debian) might provide some clues as well. And please don't advertise in here.
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16:20<frobe>actually i was just trying to help cuz they do have stuff
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16:21<frobe>anyway DEBIAN/LINUX is the best
16:21<frobe>Debian is a solid ps
16:21<jordanm>!tell ander about why debian
16:22<frobe>Debian is like the windows of the linux distros
16:23<jordanm>usually ubuntu is used for that comparison...
16:23<frobe>not in a bad way but very versitile
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16:23<jordanm>in a bad way...
16:23<frobe>well we cant all be perfect can we
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16:23<ander>yes we can!
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16:25<frobe>debian is like fedora or any other disto
16:25<jordanm>fedora is a bleeding-edge distro, while debian is a stability oriented distro
16:25<jordanm>debian would be more equivelent with RHEL imo
16:26<baris>türkçe konuşabilen var mı
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16:26<dpkg>[tr] türkçe yardIm için ( -- if you need help in turkish, please join on, or
16:27<frobe>almost all packages for debian are avail for fedora
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16:28<frobe>linux kernal is linux kenal its all symantics in my book
16:29<frobe>I love ubuntu its great i like fedor too
16:30<frobe>ubuntu is the standard by which all els is judged
16:31<frobe>a less refined os is what linux was based on hence fedora and othe distros
16:33<baris>need tech support about external hard disk recovery
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16:33<frobe>baris: sata?
16:33<jhutchins_lt>Um, fedora bleeding edge?
16:34<frobe>baris what kind of docking do you have?
16:35<baris>iomega prestige 500gb
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16:35<baris>sounds strange voice
16:36<frobe>debian is the most refined ver of linux
16:36<baris>0 mb in 0 sectors
16:36<baris>i cannot start the disk on gives I/O error..
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16:37<jhutchins_lt>frobe: Give it a rest, eh?
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16:37<baris>ı used sysrescuecd at linux platform
16:37<jhutchins_lt>baris: USB? eSATA?
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16:37<jhutchins_lt>baris: Does it spin up?
16:37<jhutchins_lt>baris: Can you hear it seek?
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16:38<frobe>baris if yer running duell boot you should use a switch or keep both os on same volume otherwise problems
16:38<jhutchins_lt>baris: Well, I'd pop the case and try a direct connection myself.
16:39<jhutchins_lt>baris: You could be looking at a failed usb->sata controller (or ide if that's what it is).
16:39<jhutchins_lt>baris: That or the drive itself may have failed, or the power supply.
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16:39<jhutchins_lt>baris: Does it have an external power supply? 3.5" or 2.5"
16:40<baris>i have changed the power supply, nothing changed.
16:40<frobe>baris check off the most obvios
16:40<baris>i have changed the power supply to 3.5"..
16:40<jhutchins_lt>does it get indentified correctly by lsusb and/or dmesg?
16:41<jhutchins_lt>Some of these drives have strange controllers that require a software kick to power up.
16:41<jhutchins_lt>However, we can assume that it used to work and now doesn't.
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16:42<baris>ı can see the device by usbview
16:42<baris>but not with gparted..
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16:43<frobe>baris: id laugh it it was the cable
16:43<jhutchins_lt>baris: does it get indentified correctly by lsusb and/or dmesg?
16:44<baris>no it cannot be the cable...
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16:44<frobe>it doesnt spin up?
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16:45<frobe>baris have you tried connecting it to another system?
16:45<baris>jhutchins_lt: i don't know.
16:45<baris>yes i tried...
16:45<jMCg>baris: partprobe
16:46<baris>and it doesn't spin up..
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16:46<frobe>clean the conectin leads with rubbing alchohl
16:46<baris>jMCg: an external hard disk..
16:46<jMCg>baris: does it show up in dmesg? Do you have drivers for the USB thingy? loaded hid stuff?
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16:47<jhutchins_lt>jMCg: Most external HD's just use the usbstorage drivers.
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16:48<baris>jMCg: could you please explain how dmesg works?
16:48<jhutchins_lt>baris: lsusb should be installed, run it as root in a console and you should see _something_ identified for the drive. You should also see a message at the end of dmesg that shows it being detected when it's plugged in.
16:48<frobe>baris i hear throwing it up against thw wall wors sometimes
16:48<jhutchins_lt>baris: as root, run dmesg. Lots of stuff scrolls by, look at the end, or do tail dmesg to eliminate the stuff that scrolls by.
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16:49<babilen>frobe: stop it please
16:50<frobe>you might lose the drve but you will feel better
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16:50<babilen>baris: unplug the drive and replug it - run "dmesg|tail -n 10" afterwards
16:50<jhutchins_lt>baris: Sorry, yes, not used to using tail with it yet. Do hat babilen said.
16:50<jhutchins_lt>what he said.
16:51*babilen does a hat
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16:51<jhutchins_lt>babilen: tail defaults to -n 10 doesn't it?
16:51<baris>can i copy the results here?
16:51<jhutchins_lt>baris: No no.
16:51<babilen>baris: Please paste the output to
16:51<jhutchins_lt>baris: Look for something about the drive being detected.
16:52<baris>i can see "sdb"
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16:52<baris>Sense Key : 0x0
16:52<babilen>Paste the output please to
16:53<SoloFlyer>is there a debconf channel?
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16:53<baris>babilen: i send
16:54<babilen>baris: Could you give us the URL?
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16:54<babilen>baris: Ah, I found it. That was not enough -- repeat the procedure but run "dmesg|tail -n 30" and paste that :)
16:54<babilen>and make sure you run that command shortly after replugging the drive
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16:55<baris>babilen: just more same 20 lines..
16:56<frobe>can anyone recomend a room for linux noobs
16:56<frobe>excuse me channel
16:57<babilen>baris: Hmm, does not look as if you drive is actually detected. I would guess that it has a hardware failure. Try to remove the hdd from its enclosing and try to connect directly
16:57<cahoot>try ##linux
16:57<babilen>baris: Although - Could you paste the output of "mount" please?
16:58<babilen>baris: And the output of "dmesg|grep sdb" ?
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16:59<baris>babilen: for mount
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17:01<baris>babilen: "dmesg|grep sdb" is same as "dmesg|tail -n ", and too long..
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17:02<babilen>baris: Ok - I suspected that. Do you know what your internal HDD is called? sda? hda? (if unsure run "fdisk -l" as root)
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17:03<baris>babilen: it is hda
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17:03<babilen>Well, I would suspect "sdb" to be your external drive -- could you paste the output of "lsusb" ?
17:03<baris>lsusb is not responding now..
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17:04<dustball>okay. people, i know this is not an official debian-question so i shouldnt ask it here but i dont have ANY idea where to ask that. so... i have a dvbt-reciever, usb-type. its called "white star II by auvisio", device id "15a4:9016"
17:04<dustball>how can i get it to work?
17:04<jordanm>.pciid 15a4:9016
17:05<babilen>,pciid 15a4:9016
17:05<jordanm>,pciid 15a4:9016
17:05<judd>[15a4:9016] is 'Unknown device' from 'X-Net OY' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also
17:05<judd>[15a4:9016] is 'Unknown device' from 'X-Net OY' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also
17:05<jordanm>dustball: buy something else
17:05<dustball>crap... well it seems to work at ubuntu...
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17:06<babilen>dustball: You might want to check it on Ubuntu and take a look at the "lspci -knn" output to figure out which kernel module is needed on Debian. But why wouldn't you consider this a Debian related question?
17:06<dustball>well i thought because its not a debian-problem in the first hand, but a vendor-problem
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17:07<babilen>dustball: Getting some hardware to run with Debian is a Debian-related problem and hence on-topic here ;)
17:07<dustball>at ubuntu the kernel 2.6.24-21 recognizes it
17:07<dustball>okay lenny is older, i know
17:07<babilen>No it is not - Lenny ships with 2.6.26
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17:08<dustball>well thats weird
17:08<babilen>dustball: Check the output of "lspci -knn" to see which module is used ...
17:08<babilen>(on Ubuntu)
17:08<babilen>dustball: And how old is your Ubuntu installation?
17:08<dustball>actually i dont have ubuntu anywhere, i just saw it on a website
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17:09<babilen>dustball: Well, that device is not in our pci device database and I have no idea which module might support it.
17:09<sasha>anyone know what software can I use to rip cd's to mp3? I tried with sound juicer and rhythmbox but they only give me the option for mp2
17:09<gsimmons>babilen, dustball: It's a USB device, apparently supported by the dvb-usb-af9015 module.
17:10<gsimmons>dpkg: tell dustball -about af9015
17:10<baris>babilen: i removed the disk from its original enclosure, and attached an external 3.5" enclosure. But nothing change..testdisk detect but as a 2019gb disk..but it is a 500gb disk..
17:10<babilen>gsimmons: Googled that?
17:10<dustball>well thats a big step in the right direction, thanks gsimmons
17:10<gsimmons>babilen: No.
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17:11<moldovean>sasha, grip + lame /msh dpkg lame
17:11<moldovean> msg *
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17:15<baris>it sounds byd,byd,byd... about 2 minutes, and then becomes quite..
17:15<baris>wow, babilen has quit..
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17:17<astronut>baris: sorry, i only caught the tail of this
17:17<astronut>baris: i'll try to help if you fill me in on what's going on?
17:17<astronut>some problem with parted not running?
17:18<dustball>i sense a problem: that thing doesnt even show up at my pc as any device
17:18<baris>astronut, my external hard disk
17:18<astronut>baris: right
17:18<astronut>what have you tried so far?
17:18<baris>iomega prestige 500gb
17:18<astronut>here's what you should do
17:19<astronut>run dmesg > attempt1
17:19<astronut>unplug it
17:19<astronut>plug it back in
17:19<astronut>run dmesg > attempt2
17:19<astronut>then diff -ruN attempt1 attempt2 and put that in a pastebin
17:19<astronut>and give us the link to the pastebin
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17:23<dustball>problem as following: White Star II, dvb-t receiver (usb). don't see it anywhere and still got only a slight clue on how to run it. af9015 (already in /lib/firmware).
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17:26<astronut>ok, baris , i think i've seen this before
17:27<astronut>if the partition table is bad, some of the partition editors refuse to work with it
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17:27<gsimmons>dustball: dmesg output would assist ; /msg dpkg paste . Also, which version of Debian are you using?
17:28<astronut>use fdisk and create a new partition table ('o' i beleive, but use 'm' for help)
17:28<dustball>whole dmesg or interesing part, gsimmons?
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17:30<dustball> and lenny, gsimmons
17:31<gsimmons>dustball: The complete output is preferred.
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17:31<baris>astronut: "fdisk /dev/sda" gives the message: Unable to open /dev/sda
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17:32<dustball> wholte output gsimmons
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17:35<gsimmons>dustball: Your device isn't being claimed by dvb-usb and friends. Did you install any out-of-tree DVB drivers?
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17:37<astronut>baris: sudo
17:37<dustball>dvb-apps, getstram, libdvbpsi4
17:37<astronut>baris: you have to run fdisk (or any other partitioning tools) as root for obvious reasons
17:38<baris>nothing change..unable to open
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17:38<gsimmons>dustball: So that's a no. "modprobe dvb-usb-af9015".
17:39<dustball>not found
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17:41<respecttm>how to install ati radeon x1200 drivers on kubuntu 10.04?
17:41<astronut>baris: it's possible there are more significant issues with the disk
17:41<astronut>dmesg is giving more error messages, so it's very possible
17:42<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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17:44<baris>astronut: what makes it to be recovered?...ı used Windows Dart, Active Partition, etc ..And now SysRescueCD, Backtrack4..
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17:44<astronut>baris: it could very possibly be a hardware failure
17:45<babilen>dustball: You get "not found" if you run "modprobe dvb-usb-af9015" ?
17:45<gsimmons>dustball: Right, this driver was added in Linux 2.6.28. Ask dpkg about bpo and install a 2.6.32 kernel image package to provide, then reboot and test.
17:46<baris>astronut:it is under warranty, but the company gives a new one..I have lots of data...
17:46<dustball>oh backports, got that already... well okay
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17:49<baris>thanks astronut..and babilen..
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18:00<igormp>boa noite a todos
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18:39<dustball>gsimmons: done but now modprobe gives no output
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18:40<retrospectacus>modprobe is silent upon success, you may see some message in dmseg
18:40<dustball>ah okay
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18:40<dustball>cool thing. but gsimmons seems to sleep now :/
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18:42<dustball>or can anyone else help me with dev-usb-af9015?
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18:48<retrospectacus>dustball: I don't know what the problem was originally, but if modprobe is now working the answer is probably "try it again and paste us the errors"
18:50<babilen>dustball: Have you installed a new kernel and extracted the firmware from the windows driver? Run "modprobe -r dev-usb-af9015 ; modprobe dev-usb-af9015 ; dmesg |tail -n 10" and paste the output to
18:50<dustball>well not exactly from the drivers, but the driver for the af9015 though (from another site)
18:51<dustball> output
18:52<babilen>ah, you named the wrong module and i blindly copied it. Repeat the exercise with "dvb-usb-af9015" as module name
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18:53<dustball>dmesg or modprobe?
18:53<babilen>the whole sequence
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18:54<dustball>modprobe is successful
18:54<babilen>does it complain about firmware?
18:54<dustball>it says nothing
18:54<babilen>dmesg|tail -n 10 -- definitely has output
18:56<dustball> whole output
18:58<babilen>well, that looks good (but I asked you to execute "modprobe -r dvb-usb-af9015 ; modprobe dvb-usb-af9015 ; dmesg| tail -n 10" not "dmesg|tail -n 10" 3 times :)
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18:58<babilen>what is the problem?
18:59<babilen>christ_: yes?
18:59<dustball>i still dont have the slightest idea how i can see anything
18:59<christ_>je suis nouveau sur linux
18:59<babilen>i guess the device works now ...
18:59<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
18:59<christ_>j'ai besoin de beaucoupd'aide
18:59<retrospectacus>dustball: can you repeat your original problem
19:00<dustball>original problem: debian lenny and White Star II dvb-usb-antenna.
19:00<retrospectacus>christ_: English only here. You may find help in French in #debian-fr sur
19:00<dustball>by af9015
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19:01<abrotman>dustball: did you try the bpo kernel ?
19:01<dustball>yep already installed, modprobe says it works, firmware installed and shit but now i have no idea how to get it to play
19:02<babilen>dustball: You installed a bpo kernel, copied the firmware to /lib/firmware/ and the module loads. I guess it is time to install a DVB application.
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19:02<dustball>or whats best with gnome?
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19:03<dpkg>it has been said that dvb-apps is a package containing applications for the setup, testing and operation of a <DVB> device. Previous dvb-utils users (Etch), initial tuning data files for /usr/bin/scan are now located in /usr/share/dvb/*
19:03<babilen>dustball: Take a look at e.g. totem-plugins-dvb-daemon, gnome-dvb-client or one of the other clients you find when you "aptitude search dvb"
19:04<dpkg>methinks jp is Japan
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19:04<babilen>dustball: gnome-dvb-client looks nice:
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19:07<isti37>hello everyone
19:07<babilen>dustball: does it work?
19:07<isti37>any solution to this ?
19:07<babilen>isti37: hello
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19:08<dustball>dont find anything with aptitude, now searching for dvb-daemon
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19:08<babilen>isti37: Which version of Debian do you use?
19:08<babilen>,versions gnome-dvb-client
19:09<judd>gnome-dvb-client -- sid: 0.1.19-1+b1; squeeze: 0.1.19-1+b1
19:09<babilen>dustball: Sorry - That client is only available in squeeze/sid -- give me a second
19:09<isti37>babilen: Linux version 2.6.32-5-686 (Debian 2.6.32-15) ( (gcc version 4.3.5 (Debian 4.3.5-1) ) #1 SMP Tue Jun 1 04:59:47 UTC 2010
19:11<babilen>isti37: You want a non-deadkey keymap
19:11<dpkg>Lenny users: To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", ask me about <drxx>, use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments. Squeeze users: "dpkg-reconfigure console-setup" for both console and X.
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19:11<isti37>ok, thank you
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19:11<babilen>isti37: The specific configuration really depends on your DE/WM -- Where are you from?
19:11<isti37>babilen: I am from Romania
19:12<isti37>I'll try to set a non-dead keymap with sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
19:12<babilen>isti37: Ok, I am (unfortunately) not familiar with romanian keymaps - But you should make sure that you select a "nodeadkeys" variant
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19:13<babilen>isti37: If you use gnome i would actually suggest to use "gnome-keyboard-properties"
19:13<babilen>isti37: If you don't, pray continue
19:13<babilen>dustball: The package I suggested is unfortunately not in lenny -- It looks as if you have to install dvb-apps and use the "scan" utility shipped with that.
19:14<isti37>babilen: Actually it's a A4Tech KBS-8 QWERTY keyboard with a US keymap, I use Openbox with Xfce4
19:15<isti37>Whatś the AltGr key ?
19:16<dustball>old greek (german joke)
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19:17<dustball>babilen: no manual entry for dvb-apps O_o
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19:17<dustball>also i duno how to start exactly
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19:17<dustball>babilen: no manual entry for dvb-apps O_o
19:17<dustball>babilen: no manual entry for dvb-apps O_o
19:18<dustball>also i duno how to start exactly
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19:18<dustball>damn repeat-option
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19:19<retrospectacus>dustball: dvb-apps provides /usr/bin/scan
19:19<retrospectacus>/usr/bin/dvbscan /usr/bin/tzap
19:19<retrospectacus>many others
19:19<dustball>sure thing, okay O_o
19:19<babilen>hmm, back -- sorry my uplink is a bit flaky
19:19<babilen>dustball: try "man scan"
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19:20<dustball>wraaah that makes me mad
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19:21<leobr>alguem entende de noosfero?
19:21<leobr>e pode me ajudar
19:21<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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19:22<babilen>dustball: Is "scan" not working? (Never tried it)
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19:24<dustball>i need an initial tuning data file
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19:25<dustball>which i dont have
19:26<retrospectacus>dustball: check in /usr/share/dvb/dvb-t/ -perhaps one of those is what you need?
19:26<gsimmons>dustball: This was mentioned by dpkg earlier. See /usr/share/dvb/dvb-t/*
19:26<SoloFlyer>are there still people in MUDD?
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19:26<dustball>i still didnt turn on the logs, sorry
19:27<dustball>using '/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0' and '/dev/dvb/adapter0/demux0'
19:27<dustball>main:2273: FATAL: failed to open '/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0': 2 No such file or directory
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19:29<retrospectacus>dustball: have you any /dev/dvb/* ?
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19:29<dustball>unfortunately not >_>
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19:31<retrospectacus>dmesg|grep -i dvb #says anything interesting?
19:31<gsimmons>dustball: Just noticed "af9015: tuner id:179 not supported, please report!" in your paste. This would explain the lack of a DVB frontend.
19:32<dustball>ok... and now?
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19:38<dustball>gsimmons: what should i do now?
19:38<retrospectacus>dustball: you should google for "af9015: tuner id:179 not supported" and see if there are any solutions.. doesn't look like it
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19:39<gsimmons>dustball: I'm just trying to determine the state of the NXP TDA18218 tuner in mainline.
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19:39<gsimmons>s/tuner/tuner support/
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19:46<gsimmons>dustball: (not yet accepted). Consider jordanm's earlier "buy something else" suggestion.
19:46<dustball>hm slowly i do, but for now i am searching the net for something useful
19:46<dustball>thanks for your help, man
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20:00<PovAddict>are the new debian-live images available through BitTorrent, so I don't hit
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20:01<abrotman>maybe ask #debian-live
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20:03<abrotman>i think you missed a useful word .. like 'debian' ?
20:03<PovAddict>abrotman: category=22 seems to mean "debian"
20:04<gsimmons>PovAddict: Yes, this was fixed for 5.0.5. See the bt-* directories within
20:06<PovAddict>bah; sorry, I wasn't specific enough :P
20:06<PovAddict>I meant squeeze live:
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20:13<dpkg>hmm... pl is polska -> #debian-pl (on Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
20:14<PovAddict>I think I'll end up creating my own live image anyway
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20:23<chip9>What is a good outbound Internet traffic filter that does not require settings in the client browser?
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20:24<norbert_>hi, is it possible to have "cp -i" automatically rename files?
20:25<PovAddict>rename if it already exists?
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20:26<abrotman>norbert_: there is a no-clobber option .. maybe you should be more descriptive
20:26<norbert_>like if I copy */test.jpg .
20:26<abrotman>chip9: wondershaper?
20:26<norbert_>and there are several test.jpg files in 1/ 2/ and 3/
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20:27<norbert_>I'm running: cp -i `find a/ -iname '*.ogg'` found/
20:27<norbert_>and there are several .ogg files with the same names
20:27<PovAddict>--backup=numbered may do something similar to what you want
20:28<norbert_>thanks, I'll search the man page for it
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20:49<chip9>abrotman, thanks! I'd like to stop some undesired protocols outright, not just throttle them. I suppose I could "shape" the undesirables to zero?
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20:50<abrotman>or netfilter/iptables
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20:50<chip9>Is the best way going to be to put 2 nics in one box and have all traffic route through that box?
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21:01<cesurasean>I'm trying to load lenny onto a dell poweredge 2300, and I'm getting ACPI: Unable to load the System Description Tables, and also PCI: Cannot allocate resource region 4 of device 0000:00:07.1
21:01<cesurasean>anyone have some advice?
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21:01<abrotman>is it fatal?
21:02<cesurasean>seems like it
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21:03<chip9>Is ACPI enabled in the BIOS?
21:03<abrotman>you can turn off acpi in the kernel and the bios
21:03<user13>what version of deb do I want for Xeon? i386?
21:03<abrotman>depends on which xeon, but i386 shuld work
21:04<cesurasean>I can't even run the installation.
21:04<user13>'k. thanks
21:04<cesurasean>Do I need to run the installation a certain way with acpi=off?
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21:04<cesurasean>abrotman, do i need to turn acpi off in the bios for install to work?
21:05<abrotman>you can try it
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21:06<cesurasean>abrotman, is there a way of running installation with acpi=off?
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21:07<cesurasean>I don't see turning off acpi in the bios.
21:07<abrotman>you can do it at the installer prompt
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21:07<abrotman>cesurasean: might be called "Power Management"
21:07<cesurasean>Ok, how do I load the installer with acpi=off?
21:08<cesurasean>advanced options?
21:08<cesurasean>it says install, graphical install, or advanced options
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21:09<cesurasean>Ok, I think I got it.
21:09<cesurasean>let's see if she loads up.
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21:10<cesurasean>Ok, now I'm just getting PCI: Cannot allocate resource region 4 of device 0000:00:07.1
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21:10<cesurasean>what does that mean exactly?
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21:13<chip9>Does it stop on that PCI error or keep going?
21:13<cesurasean>It seems to stop.
21:14<cesurasean>Is it better that I try the Etch installer instead?
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21:15<abrotman>or try kmuto
21:15<abrotman>!tell cesurasean about kmuto
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21:16<cesurasean>Which one do I download?
21:18<abrotman>the newest?
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21:22<cesurasean>What exactly is the difference in that image, and the one provided by debian?
21:23<cesurasean>It seems like etch is starting up just fine
21:23<cesurasean>should I just upgrade to lenny, then to squeeze?
21:23<cesurasean>or can i go from etch>>squeeze?
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21:27<abrotman>stop already
21:27<abrotman>cesurasean: you cannot skip releases
21:27<abrotman>or at least .. it's not supported or recommended
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21:30<chealer>dpkg: your factoids
21:30<dpkg>My factoids are available at in archives that are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. See also <search>, <help listkeys>, <help-listvals>, <opensearch>
21:30<chealer>what is that about opensearch?
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21:34<chealer>dpkg: etch->squeeze is <reply>First ask me about <etch->lenny>, then <lenny->squeeze> ; you must not try to skip <lenny>. Skipping releases is _not supported_ by Debian.
21:34<dpkg>okay, chealer
21:34<chealer>cesurasean: ^^
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21:36<cesurasean>Ok, etch seemed to load up fine,
21:36<cesurasean>so I'm guessing I should take the etch>lenny>squeeze approach?
21:36<cesurasean>Does this seem the most logical?
21:36<abrotman>or just use the squeeze installer?
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21:37<cesurasean>I don't want to burn anymore cds.
21:37<cesurasean>Is my approach stupid? Will there be leftover files?
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21:38<econdudeawesome>Dr_Willis if you have anyone else come up with the error, they can try repeating what I did: installing wdm, choosing wdm, restarting, apt-get remove gdm, apt-get install gdm, choose gdm
21:38<econdudeawesome>worked like a charm
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21:41<chealer>cesurasean: yes, if you want to upgrade from etch to squeeze, don't skip lenny. it may result in some cruft, but there should be no resulting bugs. I would rather install squeeze directly, but you know your budget best...
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21:43<AndyJ>Hi ppl, can anyone assist with time synchronisation? I have NTP installed, and UDP port 123 open on the router... but do not seem to be getting any time synch happening...
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21:44<abrotman>AndyJ: it's just going slow .. give it a few days
21:44<abrotman>or slew it
21:44<chip9>and set your time zone maybe
21:45<cesurasean>Why is the etch installation so darn slow?
21:45<PovAddict>AndyJ: use ntpdate to do the initial sync before starting the NTP daemon
21:45<AndyJ>Time zone appears to be set correctly...
21:45<abrotman>do not use ntpdate
21:45<PovAddict>cesurasean: why are you installing etch?
21:45<abrotman>!why not ntpdate
21:45<dpkg>Use a daemon like ntpd, chrony or openntpd instead of ntpdate to keep your time synched. Rationale at:
21:45<abrotman>PovAddict: we've already covered this
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21:46<cesurasean>PovAddict, I'm burning an image of squeeze right now to see if that'll install.
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21:46<cesurasean>This etch is going far too slow,
21:46<PovAddict>abrotman: ntpdate in a cronjob instead of ntpd is of course a bad idea, but what's wrong with using it once to sync a possibly-large offset before starting ntpd the first tim?
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21:47<abrotman>you can do that with ntp
21:48<chip9>I do it with the regular date command: date -s "07/26/2010 19:35:00"
21:49<AndyJ>I've confirmed that ntpd is running...
21:49<chip9>It gets me close 'nuff. :-)
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21:50<chip9>with the added benefit of not having to install ntpdate package
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21:52<punkwart>ty & gn8 :)
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21:54<AndyJ>OK I can't see any response from the server, I bet I also have a local firewall running...
21:58<abrotman>or it's just not listening which is normal
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22:10<AndyJ>I'm looking at iptables and it looks wrong, there are a number of redundant (identical rules)...
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22:16<Silicium01>Is there a way for me to find out all the package names that are not from current stable release? (for example all the packages that I have from backports, or from debian multimedia?
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22:17<Silicium01>I basically messed something up and my videos wont play in Mplayer
22:17<Silicium01>I may have messed with codec package?
22:17<abrotman>there is a away
22:17<abrotman>a way
22:18<cesurasean>Ok, I am going to try and load the squeeze cd now...
22:18<abrotman>!bpo list
22:18<dpkg>To get a list of all the packages you have installed from aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(' -F'%100p'. Also ask me about <which repo>.
22:18<abrotman>for an exmaple
22:18<cesurasean>finally got squeeze burned. ive always used lenny's cd.... heh
22:18<PovAddict>I've always used netinstalls :P
22:19<cesurasean>That's what I installed, was a netinstall.
22:19<cesurasean>I mean downloaded
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22:20<cesurasean>so far I just have a black screen lol
22:21<cesurasean>do i still need to turn off acpi?
22:23<Silicium01>abrotman, thank you very much for the command.
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22:23<Silicium01>abrotman, I tried following: aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(' -F'%100p'
22:23<Silicium01>and it didn't show me anything, but I know I have stuff from that repo
22:23<Silicium01>Am I doing something wrong?
22:23<gsimmons>Silicium01: Use "Unofficial Multimedia Packages" for the origin instead.
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22:24<cesurasean>Eh, I used acpi=off, and still getting a black screen.
22:24<cesurasean>Anyone have any ideas?
22:24<Silicium01>gsimmons, thank you, that also did not return anything though
22:24<chip9>Isn't there a safe vga mode?
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22:25<abrotman>for X?
22:25<chip9>for installation
22:25<PovAddict>there should be a way to negate a search and see what packages did not come from the official repo, instead of what packages came from debian-multimedia
22:26<PovAddict>but I don't use any unofficial repo so I can't test
22:26<Silicium01>PovAddict, that's a good point, not sure how I'd go about doing it though
22:26<PovAddict>the ?narrow stuff confuses me :P
22:27<chip9>I was asking for cesurasean . Seems to me a black screen would be video related during install.
22:27<cesurasean>anyone know how to get past black screen on debian squeeze install?
22:28<gsimmons>Silicium01: IME, you need to reference sources again. Or just use "aptitude search '~i!~Odebian'".
22:29<cesurasean>I try xmodule=svga, and still no luck
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22:31<cesurasean>seems i will have to go from etch>lenny>squeeze, I guess...
22:31<Kamzor>Guys, I have problem in squeeze install from netinst. I see window: "You chose not to install GRUB to any devices. If you continue, the boot loader may not be properly configured, and when your computer next starts up it will use whatever was previously in the boot sector. If there is an earlier version of GRUB 2 in the boot sector, it may be unable to load modules or handle the current configuration file. If you are already running a
22:31<Kamzor>different boot loader and want to carry on doing so, or if this is a special environment where you do not need a boot loader, then you should continue anyway. Otherwise, you should install GRUB somewhere. Continue without installing GRUB?" But when i select 'No', a see this same window again. What should I do?
22:32<Silicium01>gsimmons, thanks, the second suggestion partially does what I need
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22:36<AndyJ>anyone know where lokkit hides its config file on debian? I've tried looking for a file named "firewall" as per lokkit's instructions, but cannot find it.
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22:41<Kamzor>Ok, my problem is solved
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22:48<cesurasean>I tried installing etch, and it just shows a blinking _'
22:48<cesurasean>oh ok, nevermind. it was working...
22:48<cesurasean>trying to enable the frame buffer
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22:54<cesurasean>Ok, finally the installer loaded.
22:54<cesurasean>I think it's having a hard time with video for some odd reason.
22:56<abrotman>video? it's a server ...
22:56<Kamzor>What is difference between 2.6.32-trunk and 2.6.32-5 kernels?
22:56<abrotman>you should be using the -5- and remove the -trunk- from your system
22:56<cesurasean>what do you mean it's a server? what do you mean by that statement?
22:57<abrotman>why do you care about video?
22:57<cesurasean>I don't, I'm just saying the video seems to be sluggish with installing,...
22:57<Kamzor>I need this system for server. But why should I remove 'trunk'?
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22:57<abrotman>because it's old, and a security risk
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22:58<Kamzor>So why it is in default installation ? ;o
22:58<abrotman>sounds like you used an older image
22:58<PovAddict>is it?
22:58<Kamzor>Yes. I installed squeeze from netnst
22:58<abrotman>older install image
22:58<gsimmons>Kamzor: Because you installed from a d-i alpha image which includes this kernel package as part of its base system.
22:58<abrotman>yes .. depends which netinst
22:59<Kamzor>oh.. ok
22:59<Kamzor>Thanks :)
23:03<unixabg>Greetings, can anyone tell me if Supermicro motherboard of X7SLA-H will work with Debian?
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23:05<chip9>devine "work"
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23:07<rey>hay alguien q hable español
23:08<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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23:30<cesurasean>Loading additional components is only at 20%. jesus.
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23:30<cesurasean>Why is it loading so slowly?
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