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---Logopened Wed Aug 04 00:00:30 2010
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00:03<Xavi>looks like whole Columbia Univ. joined Debian
00:04<Xavi>must be because of DebConf
00:05<jordanm>not everyone keeps irssi running on a remote shell account :)
00:06<Xavi>tomorrow going to Coney Island, right?
00:06<Xavi>cant go
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00:06<foka>Hello there! I have a somewhat OT question: Could you please try to access and see if you can load the page?
00:06<jordanm>Xavi: you can join #debconf for discussion on the conference
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00:07<foka>If not, please access and see if you can access it? Thanks!
00:07<jordanm>!is it down
00:07<foka>For the longest time I couldn't access that page from Linux, but Windows is fine.
00:07*jordanm could have swore he made a factoid for that
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00:08<foka>I am telling my friend (who runs that the server has problem, but I don't know what problem it is.
00:08<foka>jordanm, No, the server is up and running.
00:08<jordanm>foka: looks entirely flash but works
00:08<foka>jordanm, Which one? or
00:08<jordanm>the 2nd
00:08<foka>jordanm, The 1st one: No go, right?
00:09<foka>jordanm, thank you very much! You're testing from Debian, right? :-)
00:09<jordanm>no go on the first
00:10<Xavi>yes, misterpipe doesnt works
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00:11<foka>Xavi, Thank you for testing! I don't know why: how come Windows (and Mac OS X and even my Nexus One) can access it, but not GNU/Linux?
00:11<Xavi>I telnet to 80
00:11<Xavi>GET /
00:11<Xavi>and source is displayed
00:11<Xavi>but really slow
00:12<Xavi>let me try with Window$$
00:12<foka>Xavi, Indeed, and I am suspecting something wrong (the ISP's at's fault) of course, but don't know what it is.
00:12<foka>Xavi: TCP synflood protection? Something about ECN? Or MTU too large? Or something else entirely?
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00:13<foka>By the way, I really appreciate all your help! that's very kind of you, Xavi and jordanm! :-)
00:13<Xavi>its $50
00:13<jordanm>foka: np :)
00:13<Xavi>just kidding
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00:13<foka>Much appreciated. :-)
00:13<jordanm>I am alone in a hotel lobby with a beer and minimal IRC chat... why not :)
00:14<foka>jordanm, Cool! On a business trip? Or a F/OSS conference?
00:14<Xavi>loads on windows firefox
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00:14<Xavi>useragent perhaps ?
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00:15<Guest791>using live cd
00:15<foka>Xavi, Possibly? Don't know. I tried using wget to download a certain file or picture, and it was dead slow and times out....
00:15<jordanm>Guest791: debian-live cd?
00:15<jordanm>foka: I was unable to wget a page
00:15<Xavi>explorer works fine too
00:16<foka>jordanm, Yes, most often it just times out. Very strange indeed.
00:16<Xavi>let me try with my Google phone
00:17<Guest791>if i am listening to live radio .. is there a way to save the stream while listening
00:17<foka>jordanm, However, I have tried using a SOCKS5 proxy from elsewhere and access it there, and it seems to work.
00:17<Guest791>jordanm, i'm using ultimate edition
00:18<foka>Xavi, Yes, my Google phone can load the page! (yet it uses a similar Linux kernel...) Not quite sure what is wrong exactly, haha
00:18<Guest791>jordanm, i thought debian didn't make live cd.. i only found the install versions
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00:18<foka>Xavi, (same Wi-Fi connection from my Google phone)
00:19<Xavi>doing a wget
00:19<Xavi>really slow
00:19<jordanm>Guest791: its a somewhat seperate project, although I typically use knoppix
00:19<dpkg>The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. As of squeeze, the images can be installed with d-i. #debian-live on A preview of the squeeze live image is at
00:19<Xavi>not loading on my Gphone either
00:19<Guest791>i hve tried knoppix. also.. it's great
00:20<Xavi>wget broke
00:20<foka>Xavi, That's news to me, thanks! (I am actually happier to hear that Gphone doesn't work here either.) Just out of curiosity, are you running Android 2.2 with the built-in browser?
00:21<Xavi>connection restarted from other side
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00:21<Xavi>no, Android 1.4
00:21<jordanm>Guest791: not supported here but I would be willing to hop over to the knoppix channel if you needed help
00:21<Xavi>let me make sure
00:22<Xavi>its 1.6 Tmobile G1
00:23<Guest791>sure.. let me wrap my mind around this first .. are we saying that the debian live is actually knoppix?
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00:23<foka>Xavi, Thank you very much for your help! Very helpful information indeed. :-)
00:24<Xavi>is there a proxy in front ?
00:24<Xavi>connection broke again for wget
00:24<foka>Xavi, I have no idea; I guess not.
00:25<Xavi>you have any user agent rule ?
00:25<foka>Xavi, 'cause supposedly the working is hosted by the same ISP and likely in the same data centre.
00:25<Xavi>any code on the site
00:26<Xavi>but if there was something with user agent mozilla on windows wont load
00:26<Xavi>and it does
00:26<foka>Not that I know of.
00:26<jordanm>Xavi: user agent usually includes both browser *and* os
00:27<foka>Very strange indeed. All I know is that the server is a Windows box, according to the webmaster
00:27<foka>Good idea, maybe I should try that just to make sure (play with different user-agent)
00:27<Xavi>what if you set a test page on another domain with same IP
00:27<foka>Xavi: Sorry, i don't have full access to that machine.
00:28<Xavi>what access do you have ?
00:28<Xavi>until when can we troubleshoot ?
00:28<foka>The story goes like this: I have this friend who make Pipes, and when I tried to access it from Debian, it wouldn't load, and I am trying to tell him that it is the ISP's fault and he should complain.
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00:29<Guest791>jordanm, i automatically got conneted to this channel when i open xchat.. how did that happened
00:29<Xavi>did you tried tried with Fedora ?
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00:29<foka>Xavi, my friend the webmaster only has FTP access to the webroot.
00:29<Xavi>or other Linux OS?
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00:29<jordanm>foka: yes, not good business if only a certain percentage of your potential clients can visit the website
00:30<Xavi>now we know where we stand
00:30<jordanm>Guest791: you configured it to do so?
00:30<Guest791>jordanm, the link i got are all alpha version of the debian?
00:30<jordanm>Guest791: to debian live?
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00:30<foka>jordanm, Exactly, but unfortunately they (and most other people) still think that I am a special case and represents an insignificant population, haha
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00:31<foka>I am suspecting it is some Microsoft IIS configuration error, but those were just guesses.
00:31<jordanm>foka: push the smartphone arguement, as that is a growing market
00:31<Guest791>jordanm, i don't think i configured anything .. i currently using live version of ultimate edition
00:31<Xavi>by the way, lynx doesnt goes either
00:31<jordanm>Guest791: debian does not have an "ultimate edition"
00:31<Xavi>too slow too
00:31<foka>jordanm, Yes, I told them that too, though they say they need to revamp their web site soon anyhow, and right now the site is designed for 1024x768
00:32<foka>Xavi, Yes, i suspect it has something that goes to the http protocol level or even lower level, but I know too little about networking to understand.
00:32<jordanm>foka: I am not a web developer, but I would expect it to scale to the user's resolution
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00:33<jordanm>foka: that resolution is likely still common for laptops however
00:33<foka>Xavi, I was thinking perhaps Wireshark might help.
00:33<jordanm>foka: there is that whole great firewall of china thing...
00:33<foka>jordanm, To my surprise, that website loads perfectly fine on my Nexus One. :-)
00:33<Guest791>jordanm, .. i realize that i was just wondering how i got connected to oftc
00:34<Guest791>all i did was just opened the xchat
00:34<jordanm>Guest791: well, I suppose whoever built this not-debian livecd preconfigured it that way
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00:34<Guest791>this has never happened b 4
00:34<Xavi>Ubuntu with Google browser doesnt goes either
00:34<foka>jordanm, I am inside China, so probably not affected by the GFW; but let me ask the webmaster later and see if he can find out whether and are in the same room or same building.
00:34<Guest791>oh well. i'm glad i discovered it
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00:35<Guest791>jordanm, so.. the live version of debian is in an alpha state ?
00:36<jordanm>Guest791: no, but they are likely pushing its use and testing at the point, to prepare it for the next release
00:36<jordanm>there is a stable version
00:36<Guest791>i c
00:36<jordanm>but the new one includes and installer, and I know they have been doing a bit of work on it here at debconf
00:36<foka>Xavi, Thank you so much for spending the time to test all these combinations for me. Very much appreciated.
00:36<Guest791>oh yeah.. i never came across the live stable version on distrowatch
00:37<Guest791>perhaps i missed it
00:37<Xavi>why dont you write a Perl script using LWP
00:37<Xavi>and change useragent
00:37<Xavi>see how it behaves
00:38<foka>Xavi: Thank you very much! I'll do that.
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00:40<Guest791>jordanm, .thanks for the link..
00:40<Guest791>if you do a search on distrowatch they don 't hve it
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00:44<Guest791>jordanm, in your opinion why so many desktops... how is one better than the other.. or is it just a matter of preference?
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00:45<jordanm>Guest791: you mean why so many desktop distros, desktop software (gnome, kde, xfce), or...?
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00:45<jordanm>Guest791: let me try to ask that again...
00:45<jordanm>Guest791: you mean why so many desktop distros, *or* so many different desktop software (gnome, kde, xfce), *or* other...?
00:46<ome>make doesn't work for me try to compile icecat the repo is missing a a lot of this gtk+-2.0 >= 2.10.0 gtk+-unix-print-2.0 glib-2.0 gobject-2.0 gdk-x11-2.0
00:46<Xavi>so many desktops, software, etc. is one of the consequences of freedom I guess
00:46<Guest791>well.. i know various destops exists.. i'm just wondering what is the benefit.. how is one better than the other.. etc
00:47<jordanm>ome: why not debian's iceweasel?
00:47<jordanm>Guest791: preference, and situation
00:47<ome>OH i just want to try it some one say is good
00:47<jordanm>ome: I am pretty sure its a rebuild of firefox, just like iceweasel
00:48<Guest791>do they all hve different features?
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00:48<ome>but wait i need make installer to isntal a lot of programs too
00:48<ome>how can i make it work
00:48<jordanm>Guest791: yes, some have different features
00:48<ome>yea but iceweasel is an old version of firefox icecat got the lates one
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00:49<Guest791>could you give me one or two examples.. or point me to a site that does a comparison like web browsers
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00:49<ome>I play quake live thought they say it works nice
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00:51<Guest791>i did a google search but dint find any site in a table form or desktop comparison
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00:55<dbldtx_>Guest761, still around?
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00:56<Guest791>if i download using live cd do i first have to mount the windows hard drive?
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00:57<dbldtx_>Guest 791:
00:57<Guest791>and if i have 5 accounts on windows which one will be loaded and where will my download file be saved
00:58<Guest791>dbldtx_, thanks.. i am taking a look at it right now
00:58<dbldtx_>Guest 791: Okay, good -- that helped me out a lot. ...and then those window managers are all parts of different DEs.
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01:00<Guest791>dbldtx_, .. yes that is what i was looking for.. this table gives a better understanding
01:01<dbldtx_>I underwent a project with a VERY old laptop, where I went from KDE to GNOME to XFCE to LXDE to Fluxbox to Blackbox to IceWM to StumpWM... but now I have a desktop and I must say -- 2.4gHz, 3GB DDR3, 400GB HDDs, 22" LCD, DVD RW, BluRay -- I must say that even though I have come to VERY MUCH like IceWM and Fluxbox... I can't rationalize ditching XFCE when it runs faster on this desktop than IceWM ran on my shitty laptop.
01:02<Guest791>i c..
01:03<dbldtx_>You can slim it down and slim it down and slim it down and tweak it until it breaks and then tweak it until you have the re-install routine down pat... but ultimately you're losing some polish and you're adding a learning curve at the expense of your machine being faster. For my laptop which ended up keeping, and currently has IceWM on it -- runs IRC and Torrents GREAT while my desktop is unburdened by those tasks --
01:03<Xavi>is stumpwm only CLI
01:03<dbldtx_>What kind of computer is it, what do you plan on doing with it...
01:04<Xavi>Im looking at screenshots and I see no icons
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01:04<dbldtx_>Xavi, it's tiling CLI so you can have 4 of them open like windows.
01:04<jm_>stumpwm is for people who can't live without shitload of ()-s
01:04<Xavi>must have been a really old computer
01:04<dbldtx_>...but they're just command lines open like windows. -- no no no! No DAMN! If you want an old laptop to run torrents and IRC -- whew! StumpWM is BPL!
01:05<Xavi>define really old
01:05<Xavi>P1 @ 256 Mhz ?
01:06<Xavi>or older?
01:06<Guest791>my hardware is currently very outdated .. dell optiplex 240 /1.7 ghz/1gig/nvidia/ atif i download using live cd do i first have to mount tached to a hp mx70
01:06<Xavi>thats not outdated
01:06<dbldtx_>I believe I said "old" rather than "really old". It was newer than P1. I say old because I got this laptop for free and lived on a boat for a year with it... it had USB 1.0 (one port), no wireless of course, big ol' serial port on it.
01:07<Xavi>not much
01:07<Xavi>Ive had a P2 running gnome
01:07<Xavi>went really slow
01:07<Xavi>but went
01:07<Guest791>my chat is doing funny things as you can see.. my cursor suddenly jumps and all kinds of things get added without my control
01:07<dbldtx_>...but the point is that it was the only computer I had for a year and a half... and it was a small, old laptop. So I tweaked it and slimmed down everything.
01:08<Xavi>makes sense dbldtx_
01:09<Guest791>the reason why i say it is old. is because i can't take advantage of compiz, 3d.. and wide screen would surely help
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01:09<dbldtx_>...and it's got a 13 GB HDD -- but you know what? I'm on it right now. ;) It's sitting next to my desktop and it's on 4 IRC servers in over 10 channels. It's also currently downloading a movie and one audio discography.
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01:10<dbldtx_>Guest791; I thought you were looking to slim down your DE or WM -- not take advantage of flashy technology that would slow your machine down.
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01:11<Guest791>oh no.. i was just testing out various distros..
01:11<Guest791>live cd
01:12<dbldtx>...and you're currently testing out Debian, riiiiiight? What do you want to use Linux for? Desktop OS, do Debian rather than Ubuntu and you'll end up learning more.
01:12<Guest791>i just wanted to see the cube effect on one of my pc but sadly it doesn't work on any
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01:13<Guest791>yes. i want to learn more an get into the depth of linux.. i'm new to it; hence testing out various distros
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01:14<Guest791>debian is the only one i haven't tried amongst the top distros cause i hadn't come across a live version.. but now i have so i will try it :)
01:15<Guest791>i want to use linux for everything .. completely replace 'indoz
01:16<Xavi>@<Guest791> Billy wouldnt like that
01:16<Guest791>but i am getting stuck in many places .. and new to command line also.. but learning fast
01:16<Guest791>Xavi, hahaha
01:16<Guest791>oh well ..
01:17<Guest791>but you know what there is something i don't understand..
01:17<Xavi>which is?
01:18<Guest791>with linux being so independant and open source and all that.. every linux site i visit.. i see 'indoz ads what's up with that
01:18<Guest791>is linux a secret project of Bill's
01:18<Xavi>which Linux site?
01:18<dbldtx>...the site sells ads - they don't really care who to.
01:19<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
01:20<Guest791>dpkg;din't know that
01:20<dpkg>Guest791: i don't know
01:21<Guest791>well i thought i read somewhere that MS has steak in novell
01:21<dbldtx>Guest791; Well if you ever need help with Debian Linux -- you know where to come for help. Mmmmm steak.
01:23<Guest791>yes... thanks a ton... ok let me ask something.. can i use live cd to download the debian iso
01:23<Xavi>umm, not sure
01:24<Xavi>but you must be able to write to disk
01:24<Guest791>using a torrent client.. My (windows) hd is already mounted
01:24<Xavi>not sure if Ubuntu live CDs allow to write to disk
01:25<Xavi>do you have space for ~ 600 Mbs on Windows ?
01:25<Guest791>well when i was practicing i could certainly save some pdf files to a usb stick..
01:25<Guest791>oh yes .. i have space
01:25<Xavi>ok, then you probably can download to a USB disk
01:26<Xavi>guess you can download a small ISO burn
01:26<Guest791>well.. my usb dosn't have that much space any more
01:26<Xavi>and download packages from web
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01:27<Guest791>actually i would like to give this a try .. dlding to the windows drive and then using linux to burn the iso..
01:27<Guest791>Xavi, yes.. a small iso is another option
01:28<Xavi>how do you want to burn iso from Linux?
01:28<Xavi>having Linux installed ?
01:28<Xavi>if its a Live CD your Cd would be used
01:29<Guest791>well.. i want to start with the dld first then burn the iso.. (which i have never done in linux)
01:29<Guest791>i have one machine that i have installed ubuntu on
01:29<Guest791>but you bring up a good point
01:30<Guest791>some cds i have seen that you can boot everything in RAM and then take the cd out to free the drive
01:32<Xavi>is Ubuntu on the hard drive?
01:32<Xavi>installed I mean
01:32<Guest791>it is on one of my desktop that i was testing on
01:32<Xavi>you can download to Ubuntu and burn using k3b
01:32<Xavi>or brasero
01:33<Xavi>or CLi
01:33<Xavi>not sure what command to use from CLI
01:33<Xavi>Ill have to check it
01:33<Xavi>guess that would work
01:34<Guest791>ok.. i would like to know all the alternative for the CLI for every GUI
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01:35<Xavi>k3b is for KDE
01:35<Xavi>but works on any X window system
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01:36<Xavi>this would help
01:37<Guest791>ok.. i'm making a note of the link
01:39<Guest791>of the various live debian which desktop would you suggest
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01:41<Xavi>I guess to start GNOME
01:42<Xavi>even when Im using openbox
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01:42<Guest791>ok.. i'll start with gnome
01:42<Xavi>depends on your hardware too
01:42<Xavi>If I had an old computer
01:42<Xavi>I would use Icewm
01:43<Guest791>i c
01:44<Guest791>btw on this live cd i have started the Ktorrent.. but can't find the setting to specify where my download should save?
01:45<Xavi>I guess there should be a preferences option
01:45<Xavi>on edit or similar
01:45<Guest791>nope.. not there
01:46<Guest791>but.. it does have a settings menu item but can't find the location parameter
01:47<Guest791>ok .. found it
01:47<Guest791>trying right now.. lets see if it works
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01:49<Guest791>how do i find out the parth to my hard drive
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01:50<Xavi>df -m
01:50<Guest791>ok.. let me try
01:50<Xavi>will tell you mounted devices and from where
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02:29<cmot>fsck on a 2T partition (ext3): hangs on 100% CPU, no disc activity for the last ca. 30h
02:29<cmot>in "Pass 2: Checking directory structure"
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02:30<cmot>anything known about this?
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02:43<bgupta>what's the debian package that tells you what package you need to isntall to run missing executables..
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02:45<gsimmons>bgupta: Alternatively, 'command-not-found' in Squeeze.
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02:46<jm_>that sounds like dpkg factoid :)
02:46<bgupta>gsimmons: thanks.. playing with a mini install of kfreebsd.. and basic commands are missing...
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03:05<r0ger>a large memory cache is a good thing with no swapping occurring right?
03:06<r0ger>i jumped from 1gb to 4gb and i've got a 2.5gb cache now
03:06<r0ger>not really anything different running except the bigmem kernel
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03:06<Ganneff>yes, and yes, the kernel knows exactly what it does there
03:07<r0ger>kk good eal
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03:09<jm_>actually linux vm is still pretty shit in some cases, so it depends on what you do
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03:41<Lopez>q aces
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03:44<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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03:46<jm_>!es social
03:46<dpkg>social: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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04:06<sparky4>i am trying to install the r5u870 module but it says invalid module format whem i imput the command "modprobe r5u870"
04:06<sparky4>how do i fix?
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04:08<cahoot>differing compilerversions?
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04:09<cahoot>kernel compiled with another gcc version than the module?
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04:14<sparky4>cahoot: umm i am using the default kernal
04:14<s_i_m>sparky4, where did you get that module from?
04:16<s_i_m>did you compile it from source, or there is a binary on this site?
04:17<sparky4>s_i_m: compile from source
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04:18<s_i_m>then check what cahoot was saying
04:19<sparky4>i did not compile the kernal
04:19<gsimmons>sparky4: What webcam do you have within your VAIO laptop? lsusb output provided at a pastebin would assist.
04:20<s_i_m>sparky4, you compiled the module.
04:20<sparky4>gsimmons: ok wait
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04:21<sparky4>gsimmons: Original - Sony® Visual Communication Camera VGP-VCC4
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04:27<cahoot>sparky4: that's of no real use - put the output of lsusb on a pastebin instead
04:28<gsimmons>sparky4: 05ca:1836 and 05ca:1837 are UVC-compilant, AFAICT. Your device should be supported by the uvcvideo driver, but you'll need to need install some userland things ; /msg dpkg r5u87x
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04:28<sparky4>gsimmons: ill try that driver
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04:38<sparky4>gsimmons: where do i get this blasted driver?
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04:40<sparky4>gsimmons: it failed to initate device
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04:44<sparky4>gsimmons: this is frustrating
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04:46<tqft>i have an audio problem with me-tv, tv card works fine in vlc, totem & xine. In me-tv - get video, programme guide but no sound, anyone have any hints on things I can try. Checked and am in audio group
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05:00<cahoot>tqft: a guess: the tv-card isn't the default 'sound device' - cat /proc/asound/cards to see which is card0
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05:04<tqft>the onboard hda-intel is default sound
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05:06<tqft>do I need to change default soundcard?
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05:07<gsimmons>sparky4: uvcvideo is supplied with the Linux kernel since 2.6.26. You need to compile/install the r5u87x userspace tools in order to upload device firmware.
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05:11<cahoot>tqft: see if /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 1 - does any good (would unmute the device)
05:13<tqft>no good unless I need to restart for the change to take effect -
05:14<cahoot>shouldn't need any restart for sound
05:15<cahoot>tqft: speaker-test -t wav -c2 -Dhw:1 - any sound?
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05:16<tqft>nope no sound
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05:25<Vivek>Can some one help me with the that has Debian Testing ISO images ?
05:25<Vivek>s/the/the url
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05:27<tqft>even more annoying is that me-tv sound worked under ubuntu but not now, but as I have /home on a separate partition, the settings have been overwritten and I have down a backup since I changed over
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05:29<randy_>Excuse,why debian don't support ext4?
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05:29<Witwe>how to reduce the polling of hal on USB-devices? Not just disabling?
05:30<Witwe>randy_: it does
05:30<s_i_m>i guess, his reply will be "Here in China, ..." :)
05:31<randy_>s_i_m, no
05:31<randy_>I want to say ext3 is too slowly
05:32<randy_>In windows ntfs is fast than ext3
05:32<Vivek>s_i_m: Thanks
05:33<randy_>but ext4 is fast than ntfs
05:33<Witwe>randy_: have a look: /dev/sda3 on /mnt/root11.2 type ext4 (rw,nosuid,nodev,user=peter). And i'm definitly running debian
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05:33<Vivek>s_i_m: I tried using the netinstall testing image and the installation process just would not proceed beyond a the software selection stage.
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05:34<Vivek>s_i_m: I am now downloading the CD 1 ISO
05:34<randy_>Witwe, what is means?
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05:34<Vivek>s_i_m: CD 1 ISO would be sufficient to install the base right ?
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05:35<Vivek>s_i_m: I can use tasksel to get the X windows and GUI components later I guess.
05:35<Vivek>The Lenny to Squeeze upgrade seems to be risky.
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05:36<Witwe>randy_: that debian supports ext4. =the answer to your question
05:38<randy_>Witwe, but while I isntall ,it can't
05:38<randy_>I want format ext4 for /
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05:39<jm_>randy_: squeeze d-i has support for that AFAIK
05:40<randy_> squeeze?what it means?
05:40<jm_>!tell randy -about squeeze
05:40<Torsten_W>the next debian version
05:40<randy_>Thanks jm
05:40<jm_>randy_: no problem
05:41<Witwe>randy_: with / perhaps a differnt story. whether there are probs with grub or so, dunno
05:41<randy_>but the IBM new format will be support?
05:44<Witwe>randy_: guckst Du da:
05:44<jm_>what is IBM new format?
05:46<jm_>btrfs? that's not IBM's
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05:46<jm_>no doubt it will be supported some day
05:47<randy_>jm_I don't no,I see in IBM library
05:48<randy_>jm_I don't know,I see in IBM library
05:48<jm_>randy_: people working for Oracle started the project
05:49<randy_>But how to show Chinese in tty1
05:49<randy_>I set in chinese,but no X
05:49<randy_>them show squart
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05:52<randy_>Should I change local into us?
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05:53<jm_>that usually means wrong fonts are used
05:54<randy_>jm_ but a set chinese in instll,and didn't isntall X
05:54<randy_>In ubuntu tty can't show chinese like that
05:54<jm_>randy_: where is the problem, in X or on console?
05:54<jm_>why mention ubuntu if it can't do something?
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05:55<randy_>change local
05:58<randy_>And in Debian you can't type apt-get ins[Tab] to apt-get install ,why?
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05:59<jm_>sure you can
06:00<jm_>install bash completion and enable it
06:01<randy_> bash completion? What is it,can install by apt?
06:02<jm_>try it: apt-cache search bash completion
06:02<randy_>no such deb
06:03<randy_>only liblash2
06:03<randy_>I have search before you let me search
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06:05<jm_>!versions bash-completion
06:05<randy_>I have update
06:07<jm_>well that's the package name
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06:07<jm_>judd versions bash-completion
06:07<judd>bash-completion -- lenny: 20080705; sid: 1:1.2-2; squeeze: 1:1.2-2
06:08<randy_>jm_, I have catch it
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06:08<randy_>but can't install
06:08<randy_>show squart
06:09<jm_>try using LANG=C temporarily
06:09<randy_>I guest like not preper deb
06:09<randy_>already install it said
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06:10<randy_>but can't show chinese
06:10<jm_>that's got nothing to do with that, it's for your apt-get inst<tab> request
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06:11<randy_>I type wrong,I typr ins
06:11<randy_>In ubuntu it will auto complited
06:12<jm_>bash-completion gives you the same behaviour if enabled
06:12<randy_>I will sreach how to enable it,Thank you
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06:15<jm_>/usr/share/doc/bash-completion is a good start I guess
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06:21<randy_>And intall debian in vbox,use Graphics can catch eth0,but advanced mod can't not
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06:26<mercutio22>I am on squeeze here, and cannot get network-manager to manage my network devices. Tried the interventions mentioned here to no avail
06:26<mercutio22>maybe someone here has a clue
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06:58<hfr>anyone experience with installing openvas-server @voyage linux ?anyone experience with installing openvas-server @voyage linux ?
07:00<cmot>cmdline history is implemented by libreadline, correct?
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07:00<cmot>(usually, such as in bash or in the psql cmdline)
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07:01<cmot>is bash using or 6?
07:01<lorena>is using fer
07:02<cmot>(ldd /bin/bash doesn't list readline????)
07:02<lorena>no nbin kjdn
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07:02<cmot>lorena: either you're talking in a very strange language or I don't understand any english
07:02<cmot>what are you trying to say?
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07:06<themill>!es-social lorena
07:06<dpkg>lorena: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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07:36<huy>i am vietnamese
07:36<huy>hola alllll
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07:41<randy_>I have search gor how to enable bash-completion but I can't
07:41<petemc>install it, source it
07:41<randy_>if [ -f /etc/bash_completion ]; then
07:41<randy_>. /etc/bash_completion
07:41<petemc>. means source
07:41<randy_>petemc, I'm sure I have install it
07:41<randy_>from apt
07:42<petemc>easy to check
07:43<randy_>petemc, you said I should down source and complrted it ?
07:43<petemc>no i did not
07:43<petemc>source is a command
07:43<randy_>petemc, can you tell me in detail,foe easy
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07:43<randy_>petemc, can you tell me in detail,for easy
07:44<petemc>aptitude install bash-completion
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07:44<randy_>My poor Enlish ,oh
07:44<randy_>aptitude install bash-completion I had done
07:44<petemc>source /etc/bash_completion
07:45<randy_>petemc, shall me edit the /root/.bashrc and del if [ -f /etc/bash_completion ]; then
07:46<randy_>. /etc/bash_completion
07:46<petemc> no
07:46<petemc>thats fine
07:46<randy_>Thank you petemc,Chinese all do the wrong way
07:47<randy_>You don't knoe source
07:47<petemc>it does the same thing as the source command, i just told you to do the source command manually to save you logging out and back in
07:47<petemc>source has multiple meanings, i can see how it could be confusing
07:47<randy_>But before than I have reboot many time
07:47<cmot>randy_: have you logged out & logged in after installing it?
07:47<cmot>ah, rebooted. You usually don't need to reboot
07:47<randy_>cmot, reboot
07:48<randy_>But afer petemc that is ok
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07:48<randy_>But after petemc help that is ok
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07:49<dpkg>~/.bashrc is where you put all your aliases and functions. It's read at start-up time by all interactive non-login shells. To make sure it's read by a login shell, put "source ~/.bashrc" at the end of ~/.bash_profile, or just remove the comment that is placed before the already typed include line that Debian's ~/.bash_profile has by default. Ask me about <bash eternal history>.
07:49<randy_>Oh dpkg ,!cn is no useful
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07:51<jm_>so if you have that in bashrc and login on console you wont have completion, see the last bit
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07:52<randy_>jm_, You means I edit in .bashrc is no useful and wrong don't you?
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07:53<jm_>randy_: no, but you may need to edit some more, read what dpkg said about bashrc and bash_profile
07:54<randy_>jm_, can dpkg said chinese?
07:54<jm_>randy_: no
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07:54<randy_>I'm only know first line
07:56<jm_>maybe ask someone who is more familiar with english for help?
07:56<petemc>or a chinese channe;
07:56<randy_>And Debian ' basrc is less than ubuntu
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08:03<randy_>But how to show chinese in tty?
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08:08<jm_>try reconfiguring console-tools or whichever method is the current solution
08:08<jm_>console-setup maybe, I lost track
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08:13<randy_>sort -g what is it use?
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08:19<randy_>jm_, what console-tools should i install
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08:20<randy_>and when I install php5 it tell me input dvd ,why can't down form net?
08:22<schultmc>randy_: disable the DVD in your /etc/apt/sources.list (by commenting it out with # or removing the line entirely) then running apt-get update or aptitude update
08:23<randy_>schultmc, Thank you
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08:24<chk>and don't forget to add repos record in sources.list
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08:31<olive78>bonjour il y a des francais ici
08:32<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
08:32<olive78>ok :)
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08:55<Vivek>Hi all
08:56<Vivek>Finally managed to Install squeeze.
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08:56<Vivek>I am still trying to get X windows up.
08:56<Vivek>Iam using erc in console mode now :)
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09:34<cran>problem with grub2 boot parameter configuration on squeeze
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09:34<cran>dma seems to be broken on my computer
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09:35<cran>used ide-core.nodma=0.0 in lenny to fix it
09:35<cran>worked fine
09:35<cran>now on squeeze, i get a kernel panic using the same option
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09:36<cran>without the nodma option, i get dma errors while booting up, but no kernel panic
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09:38<cran>what could be wrong with my config? i think, i set up everything correctly according to grub2 rules
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09:41<gsimmons>cran: Try using libata.dma=0 instead.
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09:47<cran>gsimmons: ok, i'll try that. thanks
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09:51<dasenjo>Hello, I'm trying to install a dell poweredge r610 but the installer doesnt have the right kernel modules within, someone can help me?
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09:53<cran>ok, back again. tried libata.dma=0
09:53<cran>no success
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09:53<cran>that means: i do not get a kernel panic but the dma erros i had before
09:53<cran>they are:
09:53<gsimmons>dpkg: paste
09:53<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <>, <wgetpaste>.
09:54<cran>it's 3 lines. i'd post them one by one, i you don't mind.
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09:55<cran>hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
09:56<cran>hda: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatus Error BadCRC }
09:56<cran>hda: possibly failed opcode: 0x25
09:57<cahoot>faulty hw?
09:57<cran>yes, i think it is the mainboard
09:57<cran>but: i had dma disabled on the system that ran on that box before (lenny)
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09:57<adema_>hi everyone
09:58<cran>and it worked just fine. it's really just dma on the mainboard, i think
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09:58<adema_>i have a question about the conflict between gamin and fam
09:58<adema_>i just did a fresh install of squeeze
09:58<adema_>fam was installed with gnome
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09:58<adema_>but when i try to install xfce, xfce needs gamin and there is a conflict
09:58<adema_>what should i do ?
09:58<cran>now i'm on squeeze and things don't work anymore
09:59<cran>adema_: you could try to install all xfce packages you need manually and leave out fam
10:00<cran>doesn't aptitude suggest ways to solve that package conflict?
10:00<adema_>it suggest to remove fam
10:01<cran>you don't want that?
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10:02<dasenjo>petemc, thanks for the link, I had seen it ... but I can't find something like motherboard firmware in the dell webpage, have you done that before?
10:03<cran>stupid question: doesn anyone have an idea how to scrool up in ircII?
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10:17<cran>i just had a look at the kernel parameters documentation
10:17<cran>i wonder if libata.dma does anything to ide drives at all
10:18<cran>obviously libata.dma=0 did not deactivate dma for my ide hd
10:20<cran>i just think it's strange that ide-core.nodma=0.0 worked on debian lenny, but doesn't on squeeze
10:22<gsimmons>cran: What kernel version are you using? (uname -r)
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10:24<cran>gsimmons: 2.6.32-trunk-486
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10:25<Vivek>Finally got X up on Debian Squeezw
10:25<Vivek>Thanks for all your assistance folks.
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10:26<gsimmons>cran: That kernel is obsolete. Update your system and boot into linux-2.6.32-5-* (which is libata-enabled), allowing the previously suggested parameter to function.
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10:34<cran>gsimmons: hm... 2.6.32-5 is listed as installed already
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10:35<cran>i'll reboot an see if it is in the menu
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10:41<cran>gsimmons: well, the newer kernel was in the list. i just didn't ry it before. seems to work. thanks. i'll try to be less stupid in the future.
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10:46<gsimmons>cran: All good? The -trunk entry sorting is a known issue (Debian bug #568160) which is fixed in unstable.
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10:48<cran>gsimmons: ok, i was just switching to testing for newer software. actually i'm always on stable.
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10:52<wm>I am using Debian lenny now, but don't know how to change to testing version
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10:54<kop>wm: You should be able to change your sources.list from lenny to squeeze. But why would you want to change to testing? If you don't know enough to fix this sort of problem that may not be a good idea. Do you know of
10:55<Yoda`Taff>dpkg tell wm about lenny->squeeze
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10:57<wm>kop, a.. I didn't know it, seems that I should read it carefully.
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11:01<kop>!tell wm about volatile
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11:06<wm>kop, thank you for your help
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11:13<Guest823>jordanm, hello
11:14<Guest823>my live cd froze when i was downloading the debian live..
11:16<Guest823>i guess it doesn't write directly to the hard drive
11:16<Guest823>i presume it first caches in memory then writes ..
11:18<Guest823>my drive was mounted and i configured Ktorrent to save to the disk but it just dint happen
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11:18<Guest823>i will have to download on installed linux machine
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11:21<Guest823>i was chatting with a person whose nick began with "X.." but then my live cd froze so i just gave up
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11:22<Guest823>i'm using live dvd ultimate edition
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11:24<ziggy> the ubuntu help chan is useless, can anyone here help? i recently reinstalled ubuntu, and now i cant access the encrypted home directory. any ideas?
11:24<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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11:24<ziggy>k thx for nothing
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11:32<Guest823>i hve 4 cd iso with all mp3 i wanted to combine it all and make just one dvd.. what do i need to do
11:33<petemc>copy the contents to disk, then create the dvd from that, delete what you copied to disk
11:33<petemc>last step optional
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11:34<Guest823>sorry let me explain again.. i have 4 cd ISO images that only contain mp3. but i wanted to combine them all and make just one dvd
11:35<Guest823>the images are on my hard drive
11:35<sparky4>gsimmons: where do i get the r5u87x userspace?
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11:36<petemc>Guest823: loop mount them, then copy..
11:37<Guest823>petemc, i'm new to linux.. still learning my way around... not sure what loop back means
11:37<Guest823>i mean loop mount
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11:38<Guest823>btw the images are on my windows xp computer
11:38<petemc>mount -o loop foo.iso /mnt/point
11:38<Guest823>writing the command down
11:41<gsimmons>sparky4: Either from upstream's mercurial repository ( or build from a contributed source package (
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11:46<ekai125>hi all
11:46<ekai125>i've a big problem related apt-get
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11:47<ekai125>i always got "package architecture (i386) does not match system
11:47<ekai125>could some one figure out where the problem come out
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11:48<ekai125>no one here me
11:48<themill>ekai125: can you describe how this problem came about?
11:49<ekai125>debian:/home/ekai125# apt-get install gnome-bluetooth
11:49<ekai125>Reading package lists... Done
11:49<ekai125>Building dependency tree
11:49<ekai125>Reading state information... Done
11:49<ekai125>The following extra packages will be installed:
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11:50<ekai125>dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/gnome-bluetooth_0.9.1-1_i386.deb (--unpack):
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11:50<dpkg>ekai125: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
11:50<ekai125> package architecture (i386) does not match system ()
11:50<themill>dpkg: tell ekai125 about paste
11:50<ekai125>Errors were encountered while processing:
11:50<ekai125> /var/cache/apt/archives/libbtctl4_0.10.0-1_i386.deb
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11:50<themill>ekai125: please stop pasting...
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11:51<ekai125>my bad
11:51<themill>ekai125: please stick the entire output into a pastebin. Also the output of "apt-cache policy; dpkg --print-architecture" would be handy
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11:52<ekai125>Reading package lists... Done
11:52<ekai125>Building dependency tree
11:52<ekai125>Reading state information... Done
11:52<ekai125>The following extra packages will be installed:
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11:53<caio>Oiii ... pessoal
11:53<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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11:54<caio>Hello .. guys
11:55<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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11:55<themill>caio: this isn't a social channel, it's a help channel. Do you have a debian question?
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11:56<caio>I'm have debian question
11:57<caio>I'm *
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12:01<cyc>wath your names
12:01<caio>Quero abrir o msn nele .. mais criar conta com o protocolo do msn sumiu e agora ?
12:01<caio>E agora ?
12:02<themill>!es-social cyc
12:02<dpkg>cyc: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
12:02<caio>LA#PÇ ÂÇWE @#}Ç@^?:AS?>>:#W>$> ?::A?#$: >:}Â:#:?$ ?:A}$CA:#$>#>>#EA
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12:03<edbian>Is it possible to load Debian (or some other OS) an a cellphone?
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12:10<ekai125>here my problem
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12:10<ekai125>i could't install all application
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12:12<ekai125>anybody can help me please?
12:13<Guest823>does anyone have a suggestion about how i solve my mp3 problem
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12:14<Guest823>i want to reverse the iso back into the mp3 and combine my 4 CDs into one mp3 dvd
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12:21<ekai125>can anybody help me?
12:21<cyc>sex boy search girl
12:22<ekai125>i'm still have an answer to my problem
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12:24<cyc>boy sexy search grildfriend
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12:25<themill>cyc: you're in the wrong place for social chatter. Perhaps #moocows.
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12:25<locklace>or #twats
12:25<ekai125>themill: can you help me?
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12:26<themill>ekai125: Sorry, not right now, no. But someone else will.
12:27<mmestnik>Hello, odd question. What if I wanted to reverse the lines in say a pipe/file. like sort, but using "address/location" as the sorting key.
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12:28<mmestnik>say to push a file onto a stack and then pull it off instead of pop.
12:28<mmestnik>that is push each line.
12:29<mmestnik>I could do this in say awk, but I'd want sort's ability to use disk backing store.
12:29<retrospectacus>mmestnik: man rev
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12:30<mmestnik>Thank you.
12:30<retrospectacus>woop that reverses each line
12:30<retrospectacus>never mind
12:30<mmestnik>haha, no.
12:30<mmestnik>vary cool though.
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12:31<mmestnik>man -k rev, don't forget apropos!
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12:32<icebrain>mmestnik: I didn't understand wayttd. You want a FIFO? That's what a pipe is...
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12:32<retrospectacus>mmestnik: yeah tac
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12:33<ekai125>anyone can help me to install usb bluetooth in my debian?
12:33<retrospectacus>he wants a FILO
12:33<icebrain>that's a stack, but he said he didn't want to pop?
12:34<retrospectacus>stacks pop
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12:34<mmestnik>icebrain: It's arbitrary to use a file/pipe/fifo/ect/ect. The point is that a file would be on disk so random access is possible... but a pipe OTOH needs a little bit of extra attention to memory footprint.
12:34<retrospectacus>oh yeah he did say that
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12:35<mmestnik>In this case I'll have a pipe, but it would not confuse the issue to find a tool that works with a file.
12:35<mmestnik>...and then adapt it to work with a pipe.
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12:36<mmestnik>I was just using phsudo code to better explain what I was looking for.
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12:38<icebrain>but what's your specific problem? you want to push lines on top of the file?
12:38<imperia>how do i play streaming radio with xmms2.. what plugins do i need and can i use lxmusic as frontend?
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12:45<grimnar>What packages includes 'make'?
12:46<dkr>grimnar: build-essential
12:46<grimnar>Im trying to install something using cpan
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12:46<grimnar>grr, I already have that one
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12:46<grimnar>Getting some error while installing cpan modules
12:47<mmestnik>Dang... I have another one. How can I pull out the return code of say the 1st command of a pipe... { awk; ret=$?; } | tac; echo $ret; # I get ret=""
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12:47<dkr>% dpkg -S `which make`
12:47<dkr>make: /usr/bin/make
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12:48<blockowitsch>hello. is there any library available that allows me to connect hosts through http/socks proxies? i know it's not to hard to implement it by myself, but it gets a bit more complicated when i want gssapi support for socks5 connection...
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12:49<grimnar>dkr: /usr/bin/make test -- NOT OK according to cpan
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12:49<mmestnik>{ (exit 3); ret=$?; } | tac; echo $ret
12:49<mmestnik>ret=4; { (exit 3); ret=$?; } | tac; echo $ret
12:49<retrospectacus>mmestnik: I would ask those in #bash on freenode
12:50<dkr>grimnar: sounds like the issue not due to missing make then. what module? it isn't in debian, I take it?
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12:50<grimnar>dkr: Mail::SPF::Query
12:50<retrospectacus>grimnar: pastebin your command and output
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12:51<dkr>grimnar: aptitude install libmail-spf-query-perl ;)
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12:51<grimnar>dkr: and that will work just as well?
12:52<dkr>of course. it's just pre"compiled" version like any other soft3are packaged for debian
12:53<grimnar>does 'locate file.db' look EVERYWHERE?
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12:55<grimnar>hm, ok
12:55<dkr>not /proc
12:55<retrospectacus>grimnar: yes, everywhere indexed by the updatedb command, controlled by /etc/updatedb.conf
12:55<dkr>and the locate db is only updated daily
12:56<grimnar>yeah, I did updatedb before the query
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12:58<kop>grimnar: You also have to be root when searching as it obey's permissions.
13:00<grimnar>I have this syntax I'm suppose to run, and I'm not sure if it creates a file, or use a file
13:00<grimnar> sqlite3 /var/spool/exim/db/greylist.db < xtrasw/exim-greylist/mk-greylist-db.sql
13:00<grimnar>The greylist.db is the file in question
13:00<blockowitsch>libsocksd is the answer to my question :)
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13:02<mmestnik>The answer was ${PIPESTATUS[0]}
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13:02<icebrain>hola musixuser
13:03<mmestnik>(exit 3) | (exit 0); echo $?, ${PIPESTATUS[0]}; # For example.
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13:03<musixuser>hola icebrain
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13:03<musixuser>podrias ayudarme? tengo un problemón!
13:04<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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13:04<icebrain>musixuser: si quieres te podemos ayudar aqui, pero tendrás que hablar in inglés
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13:08<retrospectacus>grimnar: that command uses the .sql file to add data to the greylist.db sqlite database.
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13:08<grimnar>retrospectacus: yeah, but I dont have the greylist.db and its not created by that syntax
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13:08<musixuser>yesterday was a problem with the electric energy and today i turn on my pc and the os doesn't run :S (sorry, but my english is no so good)
13:09<retrospectacus>grimnar: sorry I'm not familiar with exim or sqlite
13:09<grimnar>THat makes 2 of us :)
13:09<musixuser>i try to install the grub again, but nothing happend. im here from the live cd
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13:10<retrospectacus>musixuser: how far does it get booting?
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13:14<musixuser>restrospectacus well...practically nothing, it just give the mesagge "loading, please wait.."
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13:17<pavi>where do I get sid iso images ( agree its non official)
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13:20<retrospectacus>musixuser: but it gets past the grub screen?
13:20<retrospectacus>pavi: you can't iirc
13:20<retrospectacus>!sid iso
13:20<dpkg>sid iso is, like, a BAD idea. Taking an unsupported snapshot of an unstable system and expecting it to work? Well, hell. You pays your $0 and you takes your chances. You get to keep the pieces and we get to laugh at you. . See also <install sid>.
13:22<musixuser>retrospectacus: yes, just pass the grub screen and crash!
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13:22<retrospectacus>it says "loading please wait" and crashes (reboots)? or just sits forever
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13:24<musixuser>it says "loading..." and sits forever
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13:29<grimnar>heh, grub...
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13:37<graemer>debian supports mips32 and mips64?
13:39<graemer>if yes why only one iso image of the ent-installer is available (same applies to sparc and ppc)?
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13:46<retrospectacus>musixuser: sorry, I don't know what to do about that, I'd think someone here would know... I think you have to rebuild your initrd or something but I don't know the details. You may also try choosing a different (older) option at the grub screen
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13:54<musixuser>retrospectacus: dont worry, but can tell me how i can mount my hd from here (live dvd). When i try to do it says "Permission denied"
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14:08<retrospectacus>musixuser: well, depends on the OS of the live dvd, but be root and: mkdir /mnt/drive && mount /dev/sdXX /mnt/drive # more or less
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14:27<deko>!find mirc
14:29<dpkg>Debian Search of 'mirc' (6 of 10): (/usr/share/irssi/help/mircdcc) in net/irssi ;; (/usr/share/scrollz/help/mirc) in net/scrollz ;; (/usr/share/php-geshi/geshi/mirc.php) in php/php-geshi ;; (/usr/share/epic4/lice/themes/mirc) in net/epic4-script-lice ;; (/usr/lib/kvirc/4.0/modules/ in net/kvirc ;; (/usr/share/epic4/help/4_Misc/set/mirc_broken_dcc_resume) in net/epic4-help.
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14:35<blink>hey, I have 2 network cards, named via udev "dmz" and "mgmt", and I want "mgmt" to have a few static routes; when I add them in /etc/network/interfaces under the relevant stanza, I see the output of `route -n` still contains a route for "mgmt" for any advice?
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14:43<vagn>is this a good place to ask about setting up a local reopsitry?
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15:36<maniedba>hi guys, need help with grub2 with raid on sqeeze: grub-probe: error: no mapping exists for `md0'
15:37<FujiwaraKaito>Does this error happen when you try to boot the system?
15:38<maniedba>It boots on an old image, not the updated ones: I really havea mess: fstab without UUID ... where can I bedding to ewxplain...
15:39<maniedba>grub-update showes no problem, grub.cfg is updated (without UUID)
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15:40<maniedba>I commented out GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_UUID=false
15:41<FujiwaraKaito>So it's a problem with am upgrade?
15:41<maniedba>Yes... last line of update-grub is Found Debian GNU/Linux (lenny/sid) on /dev/sdb1
15:42<maniedba>... doesn't make sense to me...
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15:43<Arrowmaster>maniedba: do you have /boot on a different partition?
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15:44<maniedba>yes... /boot /boot/grub
15:44<maniedba>sorry, all in md0 partition
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15:45<FujiwaraKaito>When I have big problems with grub, I backup menu.lst and reinstall.
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15:46<maniedba>ive done apt-get install --reinstall grub2 a coupleof times...
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15:46<maniedba>also dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc ...
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15:49<FujiwaraKaito>I always keep a FreeDOS CD handy, it's not a very good OS but it's boot loader is second to none, (easy to install and uninstall) I often use it till I can get my own problems sorted.
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15:50<FujiwaraKaito>Not much help I know, but good for emergencies.
15:50<maniedba>I could try and reinstall grub from knoppix?
15:51<morgul>hi maybe someone can help getting my usb keyboard to work with initrd & cryptsetup
15:52<FujiwaraKaito>maniedba, Is the knoppix partition marked "boot" ?
15:53<maniedba>nope, from liveCD ...
15:53<FujiwaraKaito>morhul, Might I ask, what company manufactured your keyboard?
15:53<FujiwaraKaito>Correction. morgul.
15:53<morgul>np :)
15:54<maniedba>will take my chances from grub console first: Thanks for the help. Any news, will share
15:54<maniedba>thanks again
15:55<FujiwaraKaito>maniedba, It's worth a try, let us know if it works. :)
15:55<FujiwaraKaito>morgul, Do you happen to know what model of the keyboard.
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15:56<morgul>FujiwaraKaito, of course, it's a logitech cordless desktop for notebooks
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15:59<FujiwaraKaito>morgul, Okay looking for drivers for cordless logitech keyboards. (should not take long) :)
15:59<morgul>ok so I was no looking for the right stuff
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16:00<morgul>btw the keyboard works after entering cryptsetup password
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16:02<FujiwaraKaito>I don't use cordless keyboards, but perhaps sense it's cordless it can be hacked and requires a password?
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16:03<morgul>no the password is needeed because i choose to encrypt lvm :)
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16:04<morgul>i found some bug entries related to the problem in debian bug tracking system
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16:06<FujiwaraKaito>Well. it works(just after you enter a password) so it doesn't require a special Linux driver.
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16:06<morgul>it works only because I plugged a second ps2 keyboard
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16:07<morgul>which I use to enter the password required by cryptsetup
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16:08<morgul>may I need to configure initrd to load a usb keyboard driver
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16:08<FujiwaraKaito>Maybe the default keyboard driver doesn't work unless it can find a keyboard plugged into one of the ports.
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16:11<morgul>I found this might be related
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16:14<morgul>I'm deducting that maybe I need to find a module for my keyboard in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules
16:14<morgul>a module to put in that folder I mean
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16:15<FujiwaraKaito>I can look at a list of modules for something that could help, if you want?
16:15<troubled>hi. Just wondering if someone might know about lenny bind9 and if it has the deny-answer-addresses rebinding attack work around. anyone know?
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16:16<eduamaral_br>Hy guys
16:16<morgul>FujiwaraKaito, ok if you can, or just let me search the list if you have better things to do
16:17<FujiwaraKaito>morgul, I'm only here to help. :-)
16:17<morgul>that's very kind of you :)
16:18<FujiwaraKaito>troubled, I will have a look at this program, tho I can't promise you I can solve your problem.
16:19<troubled>FujiwaraKaito: thanks, but you don't have to install bind just for lil ol me :)
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16:21<troubled>i was just hoping someone using lenny might already know, so i can decide on which bind I need, lenny, squeeze or source install
16:21<FujiwaraKaito>morgul, is the model number "LX700" because this is what people seem to be having the most problems with.
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16:24<FujiwaraKaito>troubled: Solving problems are what true hackers are for. :-)
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16:28<maniedba>FujiwaraKaito: the raid partition had one /dev/sdb out. solved with mdadm /dev/md0 --add /dev/sdb1 : so far, so good...
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16:29<FujiwaraKaito>troubled, It turns out I already have bind, but I'm not 100% sure what you are trying to do.
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16:30<FujiwaraKaito>maniedba, Good to know, please let us know if you are having any more problems. :-)
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16:33<FujiwaraKaito>morgul, It looks like neither logitech or the community has produced any cordless desktop drivers especially for Linux.
16:33<retrospectacus>I've never had any problem with wireless hardware (except bluetooth) on linux
16:33<retrospectacus>I'm using a wireless mouse right now, just plug and play
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16:34<retrospectacus>it is a logitech
16:34<troubled>bah sorry, power outage. Could someone be so kind as to let me know if I had a reply?
16:34<retrospectacus>13:29 < FujiwaraKaito> troubled, It turns out I already have bind, but I'm not 100% sure what you are trying to do.
16:35<troubled>FujiwaraKaito: I am looking to find out if lenny's bind9 has the deny-answer-addresses option
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16:36<FujiwaraKaito>troubled, one sec.
16:38<FujiwaraKaito>It would appear it does, tho I'm not 100% sure, as I have yet to find out to actual version number.
16:39<troubled>FujiwaraKaito: apt-cache policy bind9 ?
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16:40<FujiwaraKaito>troubled, hold on :-)
16:40<troubled>9.6.ESV.R1+dfsg-0+lenny2 is what I am seeing in lenny for available, so I am guessing thats what you have as well
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16:43<FujiwaraKaito>Okay it's not version 9, but I'm going to try and install it and try to get your answer.
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16:47<FujiwaraKaito>troubled, "deny-answer-addresses" in bind9 works for me.
16:47<morgul>FujiwaraKaito, but the keyboard works right when system is loaded
16:49<troubled>FujiwaraKaito: great to hear, but to confirm, it is the version of bind currently in lenny, yes?
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16:50<FujiwaraKaito>morgul, Then maybe your keyboard just doesn't work well with your system, have you tried "apt-get update" ?
16:51<FujiwaraKaito>troubled, checking that right now. :-)
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16:51<troubled>FujiwaraKaito: the command "apt-cache policy bind9" should help
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16:55<FujiwaraKaito>Dosen't look like it is in lenny by default.
16:55<troubled>so you arent using lenny then?
16:55<troubled>or are you pinning to squeeze?
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16:58<morgul>FujiwaraKaito, yes
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16:59<FujiwaraKaito>toubled, right now I'm using dream Linux, which is basically debian with a Mac OS X gui, it says lenny tho, so I'm pretty sure I know what I'm talking about.
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17:03<troubled>ubuntu says squeeze/sid too, but that doesn't mean its the same verions
17:03<troubled>anyways, thanks for the help
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17:04<FujiwaraKaito>morgul, Sadly I don't have this cordless bundle, or I would work on a module, so as of now I'll look closely at the reports and try to find solutions.
17:05<molesen>does anyone know of an irc channel that discusses licenses
17:05<FujiwaraKaito>troubled, np just wish I could have given a good answer.
17:06<troubled>its the thought that counts! :)
17:06<FujiwaraKaito>molesen, Software licenses?
17:07<molesen>Licenses specifically for data (e.g. a dictionary)
17:09<FujiwaraKaito>molesen, I don't know where you would find something like that, but I can sure look.
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17:11<molesen>I've scowered the web, and came across that. Debian seemed to go with GPL for all documentation in favor of GFDL. So, it seems Data is not really text or code, and databases are not copyrightable. So, I don't have a clue.
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17:15<FujiwaraKaito>I don't think entire databases are copyrightable, but the contents can be copyrighted.
17:16<morgul>ok FujiwaraKaito, can't I use the same driver module for initrd that my debian system is using ?
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17:18<FujiwaraKaito>Well if your able to actually use the keyboard, then you are, but it seems debian's default driver cant "fully" support your bundle as of yet.
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17:20<morgul>it works perfectly in gnome, even multimedia keys are working
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17:23<FujiwaraKaito>Then maybe it's a problem with your other DE/WM, and not your drivers.
17:23<morgul>problem is with initrd
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17:28<molesen>is content and data the same thing?
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18:02<Mirkokk>ciao a tutti
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18:09<alfa>hi all
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18:26<mercutio22>I upgraded from squeeze and my network devices are not being managed by network-manager. I tried following instructions here: unsuccessfully.. what else could I try?
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18:30<retrospectacus>mercutio22: you upgraded _from_ squeeze? to what? why?
18:31<DrPraetor>Couple Qs. 1) I want to set up an account that can only use four or five applications (Office, Web Browser, maybe GIMP). I thought this was a "limited" user but that seems to be wrong. Is there a quick/easy way to do this? and 2) How do I enable root login from the splash screen?
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18:40<retrospectacus>DrPraetor: 1) I'm not sure, why not just a regular user account? 2) don't
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18:42<mercutio22>retrospectacus: Sorry, I mean I upgrade from lenny TO squeeze
18:44<DrPraetor>1) The machine in question is in a public place and we don't want users to be able to play games on it, or get to a terminal, or worry about what they might be able to access. 2) Okay, fine, added another dummy act that can be used to get to the terminal.
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18:48<ansgar>DrPraetor: That is not so easy. Browsers can start other applications (such as PDF viewers). You would have to make sure that none of these provide the user with shell access.
18:48<DrPraetor>Oh, and 3) Once we've configured this to our liking, is there an easy way to clone the whole configuration onto three other debian machines on our network? Thanks :)
18:49<ansgar>DrPraetor: You also don't want users to store files or change settings (proxy servers, ...).
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18:50<DrPraetor>Actually, we'd like it if people could store documents in certain circumstances - giving them access to office and a home directory would be okay, with the same caveat that we don't want them to be able to use office to run anything else.
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18:52<DrPraetor>Okay, simpler thing - assuming that ice weasel can't open a local terminal, how do I lock one user account, and only that user account, out of the shell?
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18:53<DrPraetor>Is there a file somewhere that I can edit that'll eliminate stuff from an individual user's desktop and menus?
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18:54<ansgar>DrPraetor: KDE has a Kiosk mode that allows to restirct menu entries and options in (some) KDE applications.
18:54<ansgar>I assume GNOME would have something similar.
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18:54<DrPraetor>Okay, "kiosk" mode. Know what to search for at least :). Thanks!
18:55<retrospectacus>DrPraetor: pessulus perhaps
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19:02<DrPraetor>Sabayon and Pessulus seem to do what I need, thanks!
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19:03<DrPraetor>But... how do I find which package sabayon is in? I've been resolving this problem via google but googling "apt-get sabayon" doesn't find it.
19:03<DrPraetor>Oh... sabayon is a distro (?)
19:03<retrospectacus>sabayon is another distribution.
19:03<retrospectacus>pessulus is a package you can install
19:04<retrospectacus>(apt-get install pessulus)
19:04<DrPraetor>Is there a standard way to resolve that? I had the same issue with ncurses and a few other packages that had non-obvious names.
19:06<retrospectacus>apt-cache search whatever
19:06<retrospectacus>(I did "apt-cache search kiosk" to find pessulus)
19:07<DrPraetor>Oh! Thanks!
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19:30<klando>I wonder how to deactivate vm dirty caching with linux 2.6.26. Ideas ?
19:30<klando>(for one partition only)
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20:21<kenyon>klando: maybe the sync mount option is what you want?
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20:23<k-man>i noticed that i seem to have lots of old connections when i do a "w" who command
20:24<k-man>how can i kill off the old ones?
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20:25<Guest823>hello; has anyone downloaded an iso using a liveCD?
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20:26<jordanm>Guest823: sure
20:28<Guest823>oh hi jordanm .. i tried the debian live yesterday... but it crashed
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20:28<Guest823>does it first keep in memory and then write to HD?
20:28<jordanm>Guest823: no, it will keep in memory, unless you download it directly to a location on a hard drive
20:29<Guest823>i hve 1 gig ram and i want to save it on my windows drive
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20:29<Guest823>i tried the torrent .. but it was not a torrent file
20:29<Guest823>it crashed at about 150 meg
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20:30<Guest823>i couldn't find a torrent file for debian live
20:31<jordanm>Guest823: you need ntfs-3g to properly write to ntfs, which I doubt that debian-live has
20:31<Guest823>i used Ktorrent, and changed my pref to save it to a location on my hd the spec that i got using "df -m"
20:32<Guest823>no no.. i'm trying to download the "debian live cd" adn save to my ntfs
20:33<Guest823>i'm using ultimate edition live dvd at the moment
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20:40<kenyon>Guest823: so, it sounds like you're having network connection problems trying to download the CD?
20:40<Guest823>jordanm, any debian live cd torrent?
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20:40<jordanm>Guest823: what is your overall goal?
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20:41<kenyon>Guest823: I see a bunch of torrents listed at the torrent link from but they are not the latest version
20:41<Guest823>i want to try out the debian live cd and i am using a linux live cd at the moment
20:41<Guest823>all i'm trying to do is just install original windows with the key on the box
20:42<Guest823>plz ignore the last comment
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20:43<Guest823>i'm using a borrowed laptop with my own live linux cd
20:44<kenyon>yeah, you're probably going to have trouble downloading a big file running a live system
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20:46<Guest823>kenyon, yes i see those but i was looking for the latest stable version of debian live iso that i can download using Ktorrent from the live cd i am using
20:46<kenyon>Guest823: and then how will you burn the CD even if you do get it downloaded? do you have two CD drives?
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20:47<kenyon>Guest823: I don't think a torrent will help, the whole torrent still needs to be stored in memory
20:47<Guest823>once i save it the the ntfs i will burn it from there.. when i log off the live cd
20:47<kenyon>why don't you just download it from that Windows system?
20:48<Guest823>i just don't want to use this machine to connect to the internet.. because of virus and spyware and all
20:48<Guest823>hence using live cd
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20:48<Guest823>plus this is a borrowed machine. i just fixed some things on it for a friend
20:48<kenyon>how do virus and spyware affect a Linux CD image you download?
20:49<Guest823>i mean i don't want to use this machine to log to the internet with.. because it is not mine
20:50<kenyon>does this Windows system already have virus and spyware, or are you afraid of getting new viruses and spyware?
20:50<Guest823>hence i am using my live cd
20:50<Guest823>it had a lot of virus that i cleaned up for a friend and i want to just return it to him clean
20:50<jordanm>Guest823: use a direct http link, download directly the ntfs drive
20:51<jordanm>Guest823: although, you could do him a favor and install debian instead
20:51<dpkg>The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. As of squeeze, the images can be installed with d-i. #debian-live on A preview of the squeeze live image is at
20:51<Guest823>and plus i don't want to do anything personal and have it compromised again
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20:51<kenyon>simply downloading a Debian CD won't get you viruses or spyware
20:52<dpkg> will install Debian side-by-side with an existing win32/64 system (see site for ongoing compatibility). It can be non-destructive if you follow directions, or if you want, just replace that evil non-free OS all together. Supaplex is the webmaster (for site issues), see site for all FAQ. on
20:52<spacex1>hey, does anyone know how to make a debian system respect the /etc/hosts file without using nscd?
20:52<Guest823>jordanm, yes thanks.. i will finally have to do that.. but torrent is way fast and can be restarted if disconnected
20:52<jordanm>kenyon: booting a windows machine infected with malware can be a very bad idea, especially if it is connected to the internet
20:53<Guest823>but the question still remains about writing to the ntfs
20:54<kenyon>jordanm: booting a windows machine at all is a very bad idea
20:54<jordanm>kenyon: true :)
20:54<jordanm>Guest823: I could not say whether or not that livecd can properly write to ntfs
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20:57<kenyon>Guest823: actually I see the version 505 torrents in the "bt" directories:
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21:05<Guest823>ok.. let me see
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21:17<Guest823>ok just about to click start on the download. lets hope that the cd does not freeze like yesterday
21:17<Guest823>it stalled right of the bat
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21:25<Guest823>jordanm, perhaps i'm doing something wrong
21:26<Guest823>when i did "df -m" i get this "/media/0DA5891443D1638C" and that is what i am using as my "default save location" in the Ktorrent
21:26<Guest823>and as soon as i start it it stalls
21:26<jordanm>try the direct http link
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21:27<Guest823>ok but shall i still save it to "/media/0DA5891443D1638C?
21:28<jordanm>Guest823: make sure the disk is really mounted there, but I suppose
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21:32<kenyon>Guest823: try "touch /media/0DA5891443D1638C/test" to see if you can write to that location
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21:33<jordanm>kenyon: that will not prove whether or not it is in memory
21:33<kenyon>jordanm: I know
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21:35<Guest823>how can i flush my memory of any unwanted stuff.. my browser keeps closing
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21:36<jordanm>Guest823: delete the files you may have stored in memory. perhaps to torrent application downloads to a temp location, such as /tmp, and then moves it
21:36<jordanm>otherwise, memory is managed automatically
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21:39<Guest823>something happening with my memory.. my browser no longer remains open
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21:41<Guest823>i'll just reboot and try creating the test dir with the touch method and see if i can save a file to it..
21:41<Guest823>my drive is mounted because it is now on my desktop and can see the folders in it
21:41<jpinx-ee1pc>Guest823: what does free tell you
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21:42<jpinx-ee1pc>Guest823: man free ;)
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21:42<Guest823>oh.. let me see
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21:43<fireman>how2 use ZFS on Debian squeeze? anyone know?
21:44<kenyon>!tell fireman about zfs
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21:44<Guest823>jpinx-ee1pc, used = 950396; free = 10900
21:44<Guest823>that's what my problem is
21:44<kenyon>Guest823: that doesn't mean there is a problem
21:44<Guest823>my ram is flooded for some reason..
21:45<kenyon>!free ram
21:45<dpkg>Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>.
21:45<Guest823>isn't there a command to purge everything that is not needed
21:45<kenyon>Guest823: that's unnecessary
21:45<jpinx-ee1pc>Guest823: it tells me that you have 1 Gb of ram
21:45<jpinx-ee1pc>Guest823: what applications do you have open?
21:46<Guest823>just this chat..
21:46<kenyon>jpinx-ee1pc: he's running a LiveCD system and trying to download the Debian Live CD.
21:46<Guest823>i had FF open but now that won't remain open either
21:46<jordanm>jpinx-ee1pc: he is in a livecd and may have stored files in RAM
21:47<kenyon>the whole system is in RAM
21:47<jpinx-ee1pc>Guest823: a live system is *all* in ram
21:47<jpinx-ee1pc>you need 2Gbs min to use a live CD with x and a browser
21:47<Guest823>well usually i still have around 500 - 600 MB free
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21:47<Guest823>on many distros
21:48<Guest823>and i have run many of them .. never with any problems
21:48<kenyon>Guest823: so you've tried "many distros", yet you're having all these problems simply downloading a file?
21:48<Guest823>there is a command to see how much ram i'm using.. but i can't remember it
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21:49<Guest823>i have never used "free" before
21:49<Guest823>also there is a command to free all the unwanted stuff from ram but can't remember that either
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21:49<jordanm>Guest823: things that are unused are removed from ram automatically when another application needs the space
21:50<jordanm>but if you have stored files in RAM, those will not be freed up. delete files
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21:52<Guest823>how do i do that
21:53<Guest823>what does "apt autoremove" do?
21:53<jordanm>nothing, apt is not a command
21:54<Guest823>how do i delete stuff from ram i mean
21:54*jordanm must be talking to a wall
21:54<jpinx-eeepc>sheesh - rtfm - this is not a school
21:55<dpkg>in-sane adj. doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results
21:55<Guest823>sorry.. i din't read the whole thing
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21:55<jpinx-eeepc>next person to ask "How do I...?" gets shot :p
21:56<Guest823>you need me to delete files from the tmp dir .. right?
21:56<kenyon>Guest823: you need to use a real computer
21:57<fireman>the mepis mirror still work? why always get error msg from the synaptic?
21:57<fireman>i want to get mepis kde theme from Apt
21:57<dpkg>MEPIS is a live CD distribution based on Debian Lenny (as of version 8.0). SimplyMEPIS and antiX are not supported in #debian. #mepis on See also <based on debian>.
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21:59<Guest823>i cannot get to anything in the terminal.. when i type "ls" nothing is happening.. i think the cli is frozen now..
21:59<Guest823>yesterday everythign froze too
22:00<Guest823>oops.. the terminal window closed on its own
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22:00<Guest823>think will have to reboot.. when its a fresh reboot everything works fine
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22:01<Guest823>been using this all day without any problems..
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22:11<jpinx-eeepc>jordanm: note the logout of Guest823 ?
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22:51<hdtdi>hii i have a question . i had ubuntu with network-manager-gnome.. now i installed debian with only cd1 thhan i installed kde-core. now i insatlled network-manager-kde and i can see under "wireless" my wireless card but under that there is "no wireless network found" why is that? near me there should be like 10 wireless networks
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22:58<jordanm>hdtdi: please do not cross post
22:58<hdtdi>well different networks..
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22:59<jordanm>hdtdi: I don't think you understand why it is considered wrong
22:59<dpkg>Posting the same question in several places at the same time (IRC channels, news groups, mailing lists, forums) is impolite; your time is NOT more valuable than everyone else's. Your question might be answered elsewhere, meanwhile we are wasting our time doing research for a problem you've already solved. Cross-posting can also make you look like a spammer and get you k:lined. See also <multiple ask> <hurry>.
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23:00<hdtdi>i see
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23:02<Peps>Привет всем
23:03<Peps>Народ помогите с компизом, все установил, работает отлично за исключением того, что когда чтото печатаю в консоли возникает какбы залипание текста
23:03<Peps>что может быть?
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23:05<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ or use English here.
23:06<k-man>in less, how can i search for a string such as "" but ignore matches that are " dnsmasq"
23:07<Justin_A> [^d] should get you close enough
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23:11<k-man>Justin_A: nice, thanks
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23:59<Interwebs>Hi all, is there any reason why trying to install via the squeeze alpha netinstall iso would've killed my ethernet controller, because it seems to have.
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