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00:39<EmleyMoor>Is there a good document on how to get recent autofs working?
00:41<dpkg>autofs is a kernel-based automounter that mounts remote shares when directories are accessed. See and Some regard it as a hackish p.o.s. and the 5 minute default timeout for unmounting is unlikely to be what you want. If you are looking for hotplugging support for USB storage, then ask me about <automount> instead.
00:41<jpinx-eeepc>EmleyMoor: ^^^
00:42<jpinx-eeepc>EmleyMoor: what do you use it for?
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00:44<EmleyMoor>I want to mount an NFS system, in such a way that the mount mill automatically time out when not in use
00:45<jpinx-eeepc>EmleyMoor: fairysnuff - that what it does and is why most people don't use it ;)
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00:46<jpinx-eeepc>EmleyMoor: do the wiki pages not tell you what you need to know?
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00:47<EmleyMoor>They are biased towards removable devices - with nothing about NFS
00:47<EmleyMoor>I mill look at more
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00:57<EmleyMoor>Simply doesn't seem to be working at the moment - says there's no such directory when I try to access a mount point
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01:08<edgar>someone told me recently that there is a nice app which sucks the living data out of crappy-ericson phones
01:08<edgar>does anyone know what its called and if its packaged and available in stable
01:09<sney>no idea
01:09<edgar>thx, sorry
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01:10<Ganneff>trsy gammu, p3nfs, cobex, kmobiletools, multisync
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01:16<edgar>thx Ganneff
01:16<edgar>now, I used lsusb, and I see this line:
01:16<edgar>Bus 002 Device 003: ID 0fce:d028 Sony Ericsson Mobile Communications AB
01:16<edgar>do you know how to mount it?
01:19<Ganneff>i dont have se
01:19<sney>if it's recognizeable a storage device the /dev node will be in dmesg
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01:20<sney>once you know what it's called in /dev it's mounted just like any other usb storage devie
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01:22<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... getting there at last
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01:23<CndyFl1p>hey anyone around? I was wondering where I should go to ask questions about ubuntu 10.04
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01:42<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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01:51<edgar>Ganneff: of all the ones you mentioned, do you specifically recommend any of them? I know you said you don't have se, but I don't know if they are specific to those phones, and there might be other reasons besides use
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01:55<v0id>hey all
01:55<edgar>sney: this is from dmesg (is uhci_hcd the /dev listing?):
01:55<edgar>[146813.148059] usb 2-2: reset full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3
01:56<v0id>im installing squeez on my netbook now,
01:56<v0id>do i gust get this?
01:56<v0id>i'm after the net-install, or if there is a full iSO of it..
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01:59<i_am_error>i ran alsaconf today in a session of lxde and it killed lxpanel. (presumably bc of the 'volume control' applet, who knows, lxpanel has a whole host of problems) i rebooted and the panel came back up, but ever since then, when i click on the logout button it (lxsession?) no longer displays the proper icons for logout, shutdown, reboot etc. how can i restore the icons (either manually or with a builtin command somewhere)?
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02:00<v0id>or this?
02:02<chealer>v0id: none of these is the netinstall. there is no single ISO of squeeze
02:02<v0id>can you get the link to the netinstall please?
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02:04<chealer>!tell v0id about netinst
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02:09<v0id>i can only see Stable there
02:10<v0id>i have lenny atm, but wifi, land wont work, so i was told to use squeez
02:11<chealer>v0id: squeeze is testing
02:13<victor>how can zsh be set as the default shell interpreter?
02:13<jm_>default for who?
02:13<victor>for debian
02:13<victor>for xterm
02:13<v0id>chealer, thats what i need
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02:14<jm_>you can change it for your user using chsh
02:14<v0id>because my asus 701SD cannot get wifi and lan drivers
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02:15<victor>jm_, I have zsh and zsh4 in /bin, which one is right?
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02:15<jm_>victor: they are most likely the same, run ls -l on them
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02:15<edgar>probably zsh is a link to the most current version
02:15<edgar>on your system, victor
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02:16<jm_>it's managed by alternatives
02:16<chealer>v0id: yes. the page tells you about testing
02:16<v0id>ah ty
02:17<v0id>ok, 1 more question :P
02:17<r0ger>The ext4 file system creation tools do not support creating file systems over 16TiB in size.
02:17<v0id>netinst (generally 135-175 MB) CD images or other images (netboot, USB stick, etc)
02:17<r0ger>looks like i'll not be using ext4 if i ever get not broke
02:18<r0ger>netinstall usually v0id
02:18<r0ger>unless you know you need the specific other one
02:18<r0ger>usb stick is obvious.. netboot just lets you boot the install disk over a network instead of grabbing packages as you need them from repo like netinstall iirc
02:18<v0id>after that i just burn that ISO to my USB and boot with it
02:19<r0ger>that should work
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02:27<edgar>and by burn you mean dd, void?
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02:28<v0id>unetbootin actually
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02:52<tracey>Karen - this is the guest 32 somthing
02:53<tracey>thank you for your help with the APIC
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02:56<edgar>unetbooting, might go without a glitch
02:57<edgar>once I dd'ed an image to a usb thingy, and it was anything but flawless
02:57<jm_>it works just fine for me
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03:23<anny>who r u
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03:29<edgar>what d y mean?
03:30<DFD>¶Ô×Å edgar ˵: 03:30?
03:31<edgar>DFD: something like that
03:31<edgar>i think the answer is yes,
03:31<edgar>but i'm not sure
03:31<edgar>since your character set is not displaying well on my machine
03:32<edgar>i can only read 'edgar' and '03:30?'
03:32<DFD>¶Ô×Å edgar ˵: You are German?
03:33<DFD>You are German?
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03:33<edgar>are you, DFD?
03:34<DFD>You must be north American friends
03:34<edgar>yes, something like that
03:34<edgar>i'm actually on a greyhound bus moving north from the us into canada
03:34<edgar>just left nyc after debcong
03:35<edgar>debconf, sorry
03:35<DFD>I come from far away in the sea of china
03:35<edgar>well, i hope you come from china, and not from the sea
03:35<edgar>unless you are a dolphin, which would be kinda cool
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03:36<DFD>I don't want to be as when the dolphin sharks ":)
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03:39<i_am_error>so long and thanks for all the fish
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03:48<edgar>ohh, shit, that means they are paving over the world?
03:48<edgar>and I forgot my electronic thumb
03:48<edgar>got my towel though
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03:49<edgar>if anyone is out there in this chat, know that I died unsuccessfully trying to sync my phone
03:49<victor>where can I find the zsh alias config file?
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03:50<edgar>thx jpinx-eeepc
03:51<edgar>is eeepc some sort of dolphin device? it sounds kinda squeaky
03:51<edgar>victor: no idea
03:51<edgar>but the docs on zsh on the web are pretty extensive
03:51<edgar>it is a nice shell, but it must be configured a bit
03:55<jm_>victor: you can put alis definitions in shell startup files
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04:32<jo>good morning everybody ... is there anybody who can tell me whether there's a way to get a Debian installation cd that makes a D-Link G520+ (pci, TI ACX 111 chipset) work out-of-the box? The drivers are in contrib sources.
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04:34<franki^>jo: I'm quite certain there is, but I'm not sure on the details; this may be relevant:
04:34<franki^>It's called 'driver injection' or something, I've read about it before, but never needed to do it myself
04:35<franki^>Sorry I can't be of more use, but it might give you hope at least
04:37<jo>hmm, I wondered whether theres a possibility to put the packages I need on a cd and install them from there after installing the basic system ...
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04:43<jo>franki^: thanks for the tip ... I'll read it as soon as I find the time
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04:44<franki^>jo: There could be an easier way, or better documentation; I'm quite ignorant on the subject, but I wanted to Lethalman_ you know that it is possible (I think..)
04:44<franki^>Anyway, It's well past my bedtime...
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04:46<s_i_m>jo, if I am not mistaken one could do that with jigdo.
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04:50<jo>s_i_m: hmm, server seems to be down or so ... but that sounds like a rather comfortable way
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05:45<pavlo>Hi. Can I ask a kernel compilation related question?
05:45<jm_>can you?
05:45<pavlo>thanks jm
05:46<pavlo>newly compilated kernel is not booting
05:46<pavlo>'no root device found'
05:46<dpkg>Modular support is nice, but don't go overboard. You'll have to use static (vs modular) support for your root filesystem (including where your modules reside), the hardware to boot it (eg, ide, scsi controllers etc) Consider using a known good configuration from /boot/ and copy it to .config, then make oldconfig (see kp). And make sure your initrd is setup correctly in your bootloader
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05:47<jm_>pavlo: please ask in the channel
05:47<pavlo>JM, is this a grub option?
05:47<jm_>pavlo: what do you mean with "this"?
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05:50<jm_>pavlo: please don't msg me, talk in the channel
05:50<pavlo>ok, sorry
05:50<jm_>pavlo: no, !norootfs is a trigger for dpkg (the bot) to tell you about common problems people run into when building a custom kernel that gives them No root error
05:50<jm_>so read what dpkg said above
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05:51<jm_>make sure to aso build initrd if your kernel needs it
05:51<pavlo>did it
05:51<pavlo>thanks again
05:52<jm_>another useful option -- boot with a debian kernel and check which drivers (modules) it loads for your hardware
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05:55<pavlo>thank you, JM. dpkg bot was useful. Leaving to try.
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06:10<locsmif>Hello, I have the following problems with MySQL in Debian Unstable:
06:10<locsmif>Any ideas?
06:11<locsmif>Creating the socket dir and/or file with the right ownership and permissions didn't help
06:11<locsmif>mysql is not running
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06:18<tqft>what is a good way to make a bootable backup of current setup? /home, /var, /<other stuff> is already on a separate partition. I have plenty of space to use. rsync ? I couldn't see an faq answer on it
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06:28<dpkg>pl is probably polska -> #debian-pl (on Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
06:28<sebastian_>do you speak polish?
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06:30<simonrvn>in #debian-pl they do
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06:31<locsmif>sebastian_: if he could, it wouldn't be allowed in here anyway, but it would in #debian-pl, otherwise, you're going to have to do with English, unfortunatey.
06:32<toadd>Hi, suddenly, i got error when i tried to launch gnome. I keep the version of it gived with the latest version of debian. I ve saved the return of startx command :
06:33<sebastian_>i need to install my debian 5.0.4 to 5.0.5. i have cd update, but i don't now what to do. please help me.
06:33<toadd>i see the NVIDIA logo (cause i used the nvidia driver) and just after it, the xorg server shutdown... it restart 6 times after return that it will try again in 2 min
06:33<sebastian_>sry i have dvd update
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06:34<simonrvn>you can update via network
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06:34<jm_>apt-cdrom should be able to handle that - read its man page
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07:18<grimnar>What is the best tools for deleted-files-recovery?
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07:26<grimnar>locklace: yeah, Its a long story, but this was actually the backup :)
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07:27<grimnar>It was supposed to boot as /dev/sdb as the backup disk, but during a reboot it decided to be /dev/sda instead
07:30<dpkg>Linux doesn't generally support 'undeleting' files. For ext2fs *only*, use mc (Midnight Commander), umount the fs, and select "Undelete files" from menu. For ext3fs, see and ask me about <ext3grep>. With reiserfs, jfs, xfs, you're SooL. Some desktops (GNOME/KDE) offer a trash bin. See also <photorec>.
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07:44<przemoc>hi, in gdb I get
07:44<przemoc>__strlen_sse2 () at ../sysdeps/x86_64/multiarch/../strlen.S:31
07:44<przemoc>31 ../sysdeps/x86_64/multiarch/../strlen.S: No such file or directory.
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07:45<przemoc>what should I install?
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08:11<hever>Hallo, zwei simple "dd" prozesse von /dev/urandom zum überschreiben von platten haben meinen ram allmählich vollgeschrieben, ich hab sie gekillt, aber wie gebe ich den speicher wieder frei?
08:12<hever>wrong channel
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08:47<mihkel>Hi. I use gnome-terminal and I have a question about it. In root prompt I have a weird char there.
08:47<mihkel>How can I get rid of it
08:47<mihkel>root's ps1
08:48<mihkel>It is not there when I use urxvt or gnome-terminal with tmux
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09:03<Duber>mihkel maybe try changing enconding ?
09:04<Duber>looks like a weird '#'
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09:08<mihkel>I use utf-8
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09:09<Duber>well, I don't know exactly why, try playing with your $PS1
09:09<Duber>'\[\e[0;31m\]\u:\w\]\$\[\e[0m\] '
09:09<Duber>if you delete \$ the weird icon will dissapear probably
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09:12<mihkel>irw. with this line: '\[\e[0;31m\]\u:\w\][\e[0m\] '
09:12<mihkel>I have two weird chars
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09:13<mihkel>with this: '\[\e[0;31m\]\u:\w\]\[\e[0m\] ' Ihave one... the same one
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09:16<Duber>your ps1 works fine for me, its the # icon that fails for you
09:16<Duber>and I'm on utf-8 as well
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09:55<dominick>Hi! I'm trying to upgrade from lenny to squeeze, but for some reason, the upgrade couldn't complete. I'll be trying again, so just wanted to confirm the repository for squeeze. is the line okay? :: deb:// squeeze main contrib non-free !!?
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09:56<dominick>sry!! "deb squeeze main contrib non-free" is it correct?
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09:59<rpetre>dominick: seems ok, what is the error you get?
10:00<dominick>rpetre, I had problem with locale settings. I don't remember exactly, but it said that locale wasn't configured properly and asked me to check the $LOCALE_* and one other env variable!
10:01<dominick>after that, the system was unstable and I couldn't even restore back to my previous repos. It practically was uninstalling everything!
10:01<rpetre>i think those are warnings given by some perl modules, you'll have to install your locales
10:01<rpetre>that message is probably unrelated to your problem (although it's pretty spammy :) )
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10:02<dominick>rpetre, I have the locales package installed!
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10:02<rpetre>you'll have to install the locale you had configured
10:03<rpetre>just a sec
10:03<dominick>I now did "sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales" am I good now?
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10:09<dominick>err... okay, maybe that wasn't actually my problem. dpkg tells something about udev and squeeze kernel, although I don't fully understand. Can anyone enlighten me please? !udev squeeze
10:09<dominick>!udev squeeze
10:09<dpkg>As of <udev> 150 in squeeze, Linux kernel 2.6.27 or newer is required (i.e. upgrade kernel and udev at the same time). If udev installation fails and you already have a squeeze kernel installed, then reboot into the new kernel and "aptitude -f install ; aptitude safe-upgrade" to continue. See also <squeeze kernel>, <kernel abi>,
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10:13<dominick>okay, just one final question. How much data will be downloaded during lenny->squeeze? I need to know coz I pay per 100MB!
10:14<mikey_>what exactly is lenny, and how do you get it
10:14<dominick>!tell mikey_ about lenny
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10:16<rpetre>dominick: export LC_ALL=C during upgrades to skip the locale checking, then read about locale-gen and update-locales (i always forget the exact procedure)
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10:18<rpetre>iirc you need to have whatever locales you use in LC_* env variables uncommented in /etc/locale.gen, then something needs to install them (probably dpkg-reconfigure locales does it)
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10:22<dominick>rpetre, so this has something to do with env var access. Last time, I ran the upgrade from sudo. could that be the cause of the problem!?
10:22<rpetre>most likely, sudo preserves your environment
10:23<themill>s/your/some of your/
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10:23<rpetre>themill: s/some/most/
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10:23<dominick>rpetre, I always have problem with the CC variable during my video driver install, which btw, I have to do from direct root access!
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10:24<rpetre>dominick: LC_ALL=C sudo aptitude upgrade
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10:28<dominick>rpetre, I don't think that'll work as "export SAMPLE=sample; SAMPLE=sam sudo echo $SAMPLE" returns sample!!
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10:28<themill>rpetre: actually, no. Only TERM, PATH, HOME, SHELL, LOGNAME, USER and USERNAME are included unless you configure it otherwise according to the manual. (LANG and LC_* are actually carried over too)
10:28<dominick>rpetre, however, it proves that user's variables are imported!!
10:29<MaXim>man i love C macros
10:29<rpetre>hm, ok, you are right then
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10:29<rpetre>i just remember that if i need a clean environment i need a su -
10:30<dominick>so does LC_ALL=C have any side-effects during lenny->squeeze?
10:30<kop>MaXim: Then you'll really like m4.
10:30<MaXim>im not too comfortable with automake yet
10:31<MaXim>i assume that is what you mean
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10:35<kop>MaXim: No. I like m4 for general-purpose macro-ing. It's not particularly useful for C, there already being a macro facility, but for general text substitition it rocks. Sometimes works better than xslt with xml even.
10:36<MaXim>cool :)
10:36<MaXim>maybe i can hack it into my java or something
10:38<dominick>as squeeze is fresh from testing, it must support ext4, but can I upgrade to ext4 completely by doing lenny->squeeze?
10:41<moldovean>dominick, /msg dpkg ext3->ext4
10:41<dominick>moldovean, I eventually did that!! lol
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10:42<moldovean>dominick, i'll stay on ext3 ..
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10:43<dominick>moldovean, i really don't know the difference. googling at the moment.
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10:51<dominick>i'd rather stick with ext3!
10:52<batshwa>hi, everybody. i installed debian without a desktop environment, and now i want to install and configure my sound system. can anybody point me to a tutorial or tell me what packages i should install (e.g. linux-sound-base?)
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10:52<dominick>batshwa alsa?
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10:53<batshwa>dominick: i haven't installed anything yet
10:53<batshwa>dominick: or maybe i misunderstood your question ...?
10:54<dominick>i think installing alsa would be sufficient!
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10:55<dominick>!tell batshwa about alsa
10:55<batshwa>dominick: oh, ok. i will do it now
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10:58<batshwa>dominick: do i have to configure something after the installation?
10:59<dominick>!tell batshwa about alsa-checklist
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11:00<batshwa>dominick: should anything happen after typing "!tell batshwa about alsa-checklist" ?
11:00<dominick>batshwa, yes. you should check your PM from dpkg!
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11:01<cahoot>batshwa: install alsa-util and run speaker-test -t wav -c2
11:02<batshwa>cahoot: all right
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11:04<batshwa>speaker-test -t wav -c2 is running but i do not hear anything. that means i have to configure alsa first, right?
11:04<cahoot>batshwa: try /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0
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11:05<batshwa>cahoot: did not make it better
11:05<cahoot>batshwa: cat /proc/asound/cards - what corresponds to card0 ?
11:06<dominick>run alsaconf as root, to configure your soundcard, and then run alsamixer (as user) to unmute the speakers
11:06<cahoot>alsa-utils unmutes
11:06<batshwa>cahoot: the right device: Internal PC-Speaker at port 0x61
11:06<cahoot>internal speaker?
11:07<batshwa>cahoot: yes
11:07<cahoot>you probably want something else - what is card1?
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11:08<batshwa>cahoot: card 1: Intel ICH6 with ALC655 at irq 21 -- card 2: Intel ICH6 Modem at irq 21
11:08<batshwa>dominick: will try alsaconf now
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11:08<cahoot>batshwa: ok see if reloading alsa fixes the order - alsa force-reload as root
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11:11<batshwa>cahoot, dominick: thanks a lot, alsaconf did the trick
11:11<batshwa>i did not know i had to run this tool ...
11:12<cahoot>batshwa: you probably wnat to make sure the real sondcard gets to be card0 persistently
11:13<batshwa>cahoot: or else the settings are not going to be saved? right, do i run alsa force-reload?
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11:13<cahoot>batshwa: cat /proc/asound/modules to see what alsamodule is used (snd-hda-intel?)
11:13<batshwa>cahoot: 0 snd_intel8x0
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11:14<v0id>back again with another problem :p
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11:14<v0id>i get the ( file
11:15<v0id>used unetbootin to burn it to my USB and booted with it
11:15<cahoot>ok you want to make it to always get index 0 - e g like this : echo "options snd-intel8x0 index=0" >> /etc/modprobe.d/alsaoptions.conf
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11:15<v0id>its giving a no cdrom found error
11:15<v0id>its for my asus netbook (701SD)
11:15<batshwa>cahoot: i have to run this as root, right?
11:16<navaz>hey i cant connect to yahoo
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11:16<navaz>anybody can help me?
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11:17<batshwa>even sudo gives me a "permission denied"
11:17<cahoot>use su
11:17<batshwa>cahoot: ok
11:17<cahoot>su first rather
11:18<batshwa>cahoot: it worked
11:18<cahoot>now relaod alsa to test
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11:19<batshwa>cahoot: i still don't get things like this (why sudo did not work in this case)
11:19<batshwa>cahoot: how do i reload it? /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart ?
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11:20<cahoot>batshwa: ok see if reloading alsa fixes the order - alsa force-reload as root
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11:20<batshwa>cahoot: all right, sorry
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11:20<cahoot>batshwa: re sudo see this:
11:21<batshwa>cahoot: now again "cat /proc/asound/modules" ?
11:21<cahoot>or just speaker-test
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11:21<moldovean>v0id, /msg dpkg eeepc ,
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11:22<batshwa>cahoot: everything works just fine now
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11:22<batshwa>cahoot: thanks a lot for your help!
11:22<v0id>the problem is
11:22<v0id>i dont have wifi nor lan
11:22<v0id>so i cannot do anything
11:23<v0id>other than re-installing squeez by downloading on another pc
11:23<cahoot>batshwa: yw
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11:25<s_i_m>v0id, reinstalling debian once again? =)
11:25<moldovean>v0id, the url tell you how to do , just read and apply
11:25<v0id>s_i_m, yes ;(
11:26<s_i_m>so, what happened?
11:26<v0id>no wifi or lan
11:26<v0id>seems lenny doesent support 701SD
11:26<moldovean>v0id, Just install Debian on this system without wireless as per ../../HowTo/Install and then follow ../../HowTo/Upgrade to upgrade the kernel
11:26<v0id>there is no internet connectivity
11:26<v0id>how will i run apt-get
11:27<v0id>this : aptitude install atl2-modules-2.6-686 madwifi-modules-2.6-686
11:27<batshwa>cahoot: another question: is it possible to run memtest86 from within linux, without restarting the system? the problem is, i wanted to set up a dual boot machine, windows xp being the first os i install. just after formatting the drive the system halts -- i tried doing this 5 times, and the same thing happened (it just did not always happen at the same place, later it happened a bit before formating the drive). i guess the memory may be damaged, but s
11:27<batshwa>trangely enough, linux does not show any problems so far.
11:27<s_i_m>v0id, it is possible thet you only need to download a newer kernel.
11:27<s_i_m>there is such in backports
11:27<v0id>can i PM you?
11:27<bremner>do other people have offlineimap in squeeze leave the terminal in a weird state (e.g. no job control)? or is this maybe urxvt specific?
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11:27<cahoot>batshwa: don't think you can run memtest from a running linux - but I'm no expert
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11:28<s_i_m>v0id, okay
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11:29<batshwa>cahoot: all right. thanks again!
11:30<dpkg>To test a computer's memory subsystem for faults, use either: memtest86 / memtest86+ (thorough real-mode testers) or memtester, all packaged for Debian. memtest86+ is included in <debian live>. Set memtest86=true in /boot/grub/menu.lst and "update-grub" to enable memtest86/memtest86+ boot selections in GRUB Legacy. make-memtest86-boot-floppy / make-memtest86+-boot-floppy does as named. See also <badram>.
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11:31<ihernandez>hello. i have 2 servers with a shared external raid
11:31<ihernandez>and i want both to read and write there so they can share php sessions
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11:31<ihernandez>but ext3 cache is not refreshing contents...
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11:33<batshwa>moldovean: thanks
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11:50<WESC->So what is this chat all about?
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11:50<v0id>got a question? stuck somewhere? ask here
11:50<v0id>people will help ya out
11:51<WESC->Anyone know about nefarious?
11:52<WESC->I guess not.
11:52<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
11:52<slush>hmm, I just installed a squeeze netinstall from usb and without paying a lot of attention, I managed to install grub to the usbstick instead of the hdd. Now I'm trying to install grub while chrooted to the hdd. No luck there yet, maybe someone has a pointer or two?
11:53<v0id>slush, i had the EXACT problem
11:53<v0id>you get operating system not found?
11:53<jordanm>slush: that is a known bug with squeeze. please explain more about what you have tried in the chroot, and what did not work exactly
11:54<WESC->What are some cool things to get on a debian VPS?
11:54<slush>well `grub-install /dev/sdb` calls grub-probe, which wines about /dev not mounted
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11:54<v0id>mkdir /mydisk
11:54<jordanm>slush: alright, so mount /dev and proc
11:55<v0id>and /sys
11:55<jordanm>slush: mount -o bind /dev /path/to/mount/dev from outside the chroot
11:55<WESC->Wow, I wish I knew some of these commands.
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11:55<WESC->I feel like a n00b here.
11:56<jordanm>!tell WESC- about noob
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11:57<jordanm>WESC-: our bot pm's factoids using the !tell command
11:58<WESC->So it went to /window 3
11:58<WESC->So many commands.
11:58<slush>ok, that helped
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12:01<slush>(and a bit ashamed, I should've known that)
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12:05<neocortex>hello all! can anyone tell me why i started to receive message on boot: udevd-work[452]: kernel-provided 'uinput' and NAME= 'input/uinput' disagree, please use SYMLINK+= or change the kernel to provide the proper name
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12:08<moldovean>neocortex, uname -r , says ?
12:09<neocortex>moldovean, 2.6.32-5-686. I had and removed 2.6.32-trunc-686
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12:10<neocortex>moldovean, to be honest, I do not understand what this trunc stands for...
12:10<dpkg>[trunk] a term from version control systems such as <cvs>, <svn> and <git>. The "trunk" can often be thought of as a developer's playground, the stability (or otherwise) of the code varies from project to project. . Debian 2.6.32-trunk-* kernel image/headers packages are obsolete and were removed from the archive ; /msg judd kernel --release squeeze ; see Debian bug #568160 and <kernel abi>.
12:11<moldovean>neocortex, ignore it , you upgraded from lenny ?
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12:12<neocortex>moldovean, nope, I used squeeze install from the very beginning (plus one firmware)
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12:13<v0id>i downloaded that
12:13<moldovean>neocortex, try an upgrade
12:13<v0id>when running the .deb file
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12:13<v0id>it says: debconf: Unknown tempalte field _Discription
12:13<moldovean>v0id, /msg dpkg backports
12:14<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.35-trunk-686 (2.6.35-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-19); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-18); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2)
12:14<moldovean>v0id, lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686
12:14<v0id>oh damn
12:15<v0id>but whats the error about?
12:15<moldovean>ignore it ..
12:15<neocortex>moldovean, how? 2.6.32-5-686 is the latest, isn't it? at least in testing...
12:15<jordanm>v0id: If I had to guess, description is spelled wrong in your error
12:15<v0id>lol yes
12:16<moldovean>neocortex, aptitude update , aptitude full-upgrade
12:16<neocortex>moldovean, i did that, just yesterday
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12:17<v0id>dpkg: dependency problem prevent configuration of linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.4-686, it depends ipon linux-base (>= 2.6.32-11~bpo50+a), how ever, package linus-base is not installed
12:17<dpkg>v0id: what are you talking about?
12:17<neocortex>moldovean, thing is that i do not have backports in my repo
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12:17<moldovean>neocortex, squeeze has no backports
12:18<neocortex>i thought so :-)
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12:18<neocortex>moldovean, then, i should just ignore this?
12:18<moldovean>or reboot ..
12:19<moldovean>udev may joking sometimes in squeeze ..
12:19<Vivek>!dpkg time
12:19<dpkg>time is probably found on, or 2010.08.09 16:19:50, or an illusion, and lunchtime doubly so - Ford Prefect said that. of no essence here!, or it's beer o'clock!!, or see
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12:26<moldovean>sometimes i get (--) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: no supported touchpad found, sometimes i get touchpad found ...
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12:27<moldovean>it's udev issue ?
12:28<dominick>err! hi guys, problem again! I'm trying to lenny->squeeze, but when I upgrade the /etc/apt/sources.list file, aptitude update, and when I aptitude install aptitude, I get the following error during the installation of aptitude: manconv: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct and the package is reported broken +5. Help!!
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12:30<kitallis>why do I get a locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
12:30<kitallis>locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory
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12:30<kitallis>locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
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12:30<kitallis>when I do a 'locale'
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12:31<retrospectacus>dpkg-reconfigure locales
12:31<retrospectacus>dominick: you should be able to ignore those.
12:32<dominick>retrospectacus, but it leaves the package broken with unresolved dependencies
12:32<retrospectacus>dominick: make a pastebin with the command and all its output plzz
12:33<bja>dominick: off the record, i've had had that same trouble a few times. it only gets solved when you reboot the computer. I can only tell you what has worked for me.
12:33<dominick>err.. retrospectacus, I can do that, but then my system would become unstable. I reinstalled debian quickly after that error occured! is there a safer way?
12:34<dominick>and if when I restart the system after the error occurs, gnome login malfunctions, so that there's no way I can get into gui!!
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12:34<moldovean>dominick, uname -r , says ?
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12:34<dominick>it's 2.6.26-2-686
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12:35<kitallis>retrospectacus: ^
12:35<jordanm>dominick: were you trying to upgrade to testing?
12:35<moldovean>dominick, well we said have to reboot in 2.6.32 ...
12:35<jordanm>kitallis: were you trying to upgrade to testing?
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12:35<dominick>no, i'm upgrading to squeeze, although that's what it is as of today!
12:36<jordanm>dominick: squeeze is testing
12:36<dominick>jordan, not anymore!!
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12:36<jordanm>dominick: yes, it is. I would expect the actual release to occur late this year, early next year
12:36<jordanm>dominick: frozen does not mean released
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12:36<dominick>err, okay... so it's testing...
12:36<retrospectacus>kitallis: did you do "dpkg-reconfigure locales"?
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12:37<jordanm>!tell dominick about freeze
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12:37<kitallis>retrospectacus: yes, I select en_us utf8
12:37<jordanm>kitallis: I have got that error on multiple boxes upgrading to testing. I have always ignored it and it is fine after the upgrade occurs
12:37<kitallis>and then that
12:37<dominick>okay. thanks jordanm, will remember that!
12:37<retrospectacus>dominick: you can still upgrade from outside of gdm, infact I would recommend it... that said, I never told you to reboot, I told you to paste your upgrade error
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12:38<dominick>err, okay retrospectacus, i'll do it, but that'd leave my system un-rebootable. you'll have to wait as it downloads the dependencies!!
12:39<kitallis>running locale gives me
12:39<kitallis>I want utf8
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12:39<retrospectacus>how is making a paste going to break your system dominick?
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12:39<dominick>and btw. last time i tried to upgrade using only the following repo: "deb squeeze main contrib non-free" does including any of the volatile repos with s/lenny/squeeze make any difference?
12:40<retrospectacus>squeeze does not have volatile, it wouldn't work
12:40<dominick>retrospectacus, I reinstalled debian after the error occured as there was no other way I could go online for help!
12:40<jordanm>dominick: squeeze will not have a valatile repo until after the release, but you should still have a security repo
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12:40<jordanm>!tell dominick about testing security
12:40<dominick>so I need to do it again!
12:40<jordanm>err volatile
12:40<retrospectacus>dominick: well what do you have now?
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12:41<amanita>Any advice how can I install the new Inkscape v0.47 from a source tarball?
12:42<v0id>shortshort read in buffer_copy
12:42<v0id>i get this error
12:42<retrospectacus>amanita, follow the directions in the tarball
12:42<dominick>you'll have to wait, it's downloading the aptitude and its dependencies...
12:42<v0id>searching GRUB...found
12:42<Gika>hello, i have a problem manually setting the date on a debian VPS. when i use date --set, it outputs the correct time i've just inserted, but then using date returns the old time
12:42<v0id>after that it says: erros encountered , and stops
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12:45<Gika>also ntp doesn't work (there's too much offset i think)
12:46<imran>plz will someone tells abt me GOOGLE DNS?
12:46<rpetre>Gika: you can use "ntpdate" with ntp server stopped to jump the clock, then start ntp (but be careful that some services might be offended, especially if you go back)
12:47<Gika>rpetre: ntpdate says "9 Aug 19:42:08 ntpdate[28635]: step time server offset -3701.553768 sec" and does nothing
12:47<Gika>(with any server)
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12:47<retrospectacus>you probably must consult the vps host, is that you ?
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12:48<amanita>I use Lenny. Ok I dled the new inkscape tarball made a apt-get build-dep inkscape, it stops during the ./configure process saying package requirements not met :-P
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12:48<rpetre>Gika: usually the vpses don't have hwclock setting privileges
12:48<Gika>mhh... i guess that's also why hwclock --show doesn't work
12:48<dominick>err, okay, I did a "sudo aptitude install aptitude >> pastebin", but how do I see the progress? is there a way for the cat utility to autorefresh?
12:49<dkr>dominick: tail -f pastebin
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12:49<dominick>thanks dkr
12:50<amanita>So basically I cannot compile, and I have no idea how to grab the needed packages
12:50<rpetre>dominick: also command | tee -a file
12:50<Gika>so the clock can only be set by the provider? i've used chrony for a while (it was the only one that worked) but it started synchronizing away from the system clock at every boot
12:50<retrospectacus>amanita: apt-get install build-essential
12:50<amanita>retrospectacus: already done
12:50<dkr>rpetre: heh, i was just looking at tee man page for the append option
12:50<amanita>retrospectacus: I managed to compile the new gimp for example, but inkscape won't work
12:50<rpetre>dkr: i was faster (i checked it too, to be sure)
12:51<retrospectacus>amanita: well then it probably is missing some libraries, check the error and install the thing
12:52<dominick>rpetre, I didn't get you!
12:52<retrospectacus>amanita: if it says "checking for whatever....failed" then aptitude search whatever && aptitude install whatever-dev an try again
12:52<dominick>rpetre, what's command?
12:53<amanita>retrospectacus: no package 'gsl" found... and lenny repos does not contain gsl :-(
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12:53<rpetre>dominick: i meant instead of running some-sommand-with-parameters >> file and then tail -f file to see what it writes, you could do directly the-same-command | tee -a file , which does both operations
12:54<retrospectacus>,versions libgsl0-dev
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12:54<judd>libgsl0-dev -- etch: 1.8-2; etch-backports: 1.11+dfsg-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.11+dfsg-1; sid: 1.14+dfsg-1; squeeze: 1.14+dfsg-1
12:54<rpetre>in your case "command" stands for "sudo aptitude install aptitude"
12:54<retrospectacus>amanita, install that libgsl0-dev
12:54<dominick>oh! thanks. will come in handy.
12:54<amanita>retrospectacus: gotcha.
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12:56<amanita>retrospectacus: seems configure is done, I can compile Inkscape 0.47, thanks!
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12:58<retrospectacus>amanita: np
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13:08<dominick>retrospectacus, the output of "sudo aptitude install aptitude >> pastebin" is and some lines printed to the console despite the >> pastebin is
13:10<dominick>former is the piped output, latter is the output on the console!
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13:12<dominick>retrospectacus, and dpkg has a "udev squeeze" although, I don't understand what to do!!
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13:17<amanita>Is debian ready for a dual cpu motherboard with two quad-core intel cpus?
13:17<retrospectacus>dominick: first, to send stdout and stderr (normal output and errors) to the same file, do: aptitude ... 2>&1 |tee pastebin
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13:17<sney>amanita: yes
13:17<Hydroxide>amanita: sure, should work fine
13:17<Hydroxide>amanita: I'm currently logged into one such machine, actually :)
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13:17<amanita>Hydroxide: fine, I need power for rendering
13:18<Hydroxide>(well, due to hardware issues only one CPU is active, but that wasn't always true and debian had no problem with it)
13:18<retrospectacus>amanita: you want the -amd64 version
13:18<Hydroxide>amd64 is better for that kind of thing, yes
13:18<Hydroxide>especially if you want > 4 GB RAM per process, where it's mandatory
13:18<amanita>I use rendering programs such as flam3 they can utilize multiple cores
13:19<amanita>and also using gimp all the time
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13:21<dominick>retrospectacus, is that "aptitude install aptitude | tee pastebin" ?
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13:24<dominick>retrospectacus, iceweasel and epiphany don't seem to start! some prob there!
13:24<amanita>btw does a sata-II SSD drive (solid state drive) works well with gnu/linux?
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13:32<sarc2>how can I find detailed features on bnx2x driver for Debian? I was interested in finding out if it supported NAPI and PF_RING
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13:37<jordanm>sarc2: upstream kernel changelogs?\
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13:40<sney>sarc2: modinfo?
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13:55<sarc2>jordanm, sney: are either of you familiar with PF_RING?
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14:09<jordanb>Is the kernel in testing broken?
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14:10<jordanb>Also what happened to dpkg-reconfigure?
14:10<jordanm>jordanb: no, and nothing
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14:10<jordanm>jordanb: if you used the squeeze installer you will have -trunk that needs to be upgraded then removed
14:10<jordanb>dpkg: error processing linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 (--configure):
14:10<jordanb> subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2
14:10<dpkg>jordanb: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
14:11<jordanb>Thanks, dpkg
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14:11<jordanb>E: /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/iscan failed with return 1.
14:11<jordanb>oh man
14:11<jordanb>fucking iscan
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14:28<Rabbit>hi can any one help me
14:28<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
14:28<Rabbit>im sreach for maui cluster web gui
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14:29<petemc>never heard of it
14:31<Rabbit> is the officielle home page
14:31<Rabbit>like is down
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14:32<ghostrabbit>hmm wassen mit debian de
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14:32<ghostrabbit>wie komm ich da rein
14:33<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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16:20<omc>hola capullos
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16:21<omc>hello hello
16:21<retrospectacus>omc: do you have a debian question?
16:22<omc>es una mierda
16:22<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
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16:22<omc>kk dicesss
16:23<omc>una mierda hablo yo en ingles
16:23<bja>!es omc
16:23<dpkg>omc: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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16:25<bja>!ops omc needs a way to the exit
16:25<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: bja complains about: omc needs a way to the exit
16:25<bja>Darn lag
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16:27<bja>omc: como ya se te había dicho esto es un canal de soporte, si es lo que buscas en #debian-es te lo dan si lo que buscas es un canal social esta #debian-es-cachondeo . Si lo que buscas es camorra. Bueno eso por aquí no lo hay
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16:51<dpkg><harpal> up365, Is it recommanded that I must have graphics card to do that
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17:02<jordanm>that quote isn't very good on its own...
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18:10<dkr>I wonder what "that" was.
18:10<sney>just one of the qotd0 replies, I guess.
18:11<GhostlyDeath>I attempted using the 2.6.32 in lenny-backports, however there was one major pitfall: It would detect disks on two RAID cards except that it would never create a /dev/sdX for one disk on each set. That is, /dev/sdf never existed and was never created. Any suggestions?
18:12<GhostlyDeath>Therefor /home was not mountable
18:12<GhostlyDeath>and a swap partition
18:14<GhostlyDeath>Everything else worked except for the PVR150
18:16<sney>GhostlyDeath: hmm, strange.
18:16<GhostlyDeath>I thought about using mknod or such but I don't think that might work out too well
18:16<sney>heh, I was just about to suggest that to see if it worked
18:16<GhostlyDeath>While the system booted however
18:17<GhostlyDeath>It did say there were partitions on those disks
18:17<sney>though I'm thinking that you also need a newer udev along with the current 2.6.32-4 bpo kernel
18:17<GhostlyDeath>[blah blah] SATA port7 is now up
18:17<GhostlyDeath> sdf: sdf sdf1
18:17<sney>right, the disks are there and the kernel understands them but the correct /dev nodes are not being created. points to a udev issue
18:18<GhostlyDeath>I uninstalled the kernel but it's not hard to reinstall it
18:18<GhostlyDeath>I'll check udev ver
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18:19<GhostlyDeath>squeeze has 158
18:19<sney>hmm, there is no udev in backports. scratch that, I guess.
18:19<GhostlyDeath>I was thinking of udev then
18:19<GhostlyDeath>but didn't actually name it
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18:20<GhostlyDeath>I used the -5 bpo kerne
18:20<sney>yeah, that's what I meant
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18:21<sney>have you considered installing squeeze? it's frozen now so most of the instabilities of a 'testing' distribution are already gone
18:21<sney>it'll be released as stable within a few months
18:21<GhostlyDeath>I was thinking of upgrading
18:21<GhostlyDeath>but I'd rather wait till more critical bugs are squashed
18:22<themill>turning off a cron-job didn't fix the bugs in squeeze and make it suddenly more stable
18:22<sney>it was very usable for months already, themill
18:23<sney>although I don't know if ghostlydeath is on a production system
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18:23<GhostlyDeath>semi production
18:23<GhostlyDeath>I use it, I have a squeeze system though
18:23<GhostlyDeath>but it's oold and I never even use it heh
18:23<sney>still, just one option among many. GhostlyDeath, if you don't mind my asking, what prompted the use of a bpo kernel in the first place?
18:23<themill>sney: "it's frozen now so…" is a little hopeful
18:24<GhostlyDeath>sney: performance
18:24<GhostlyDeath>2.6.32 runs faster supposidely
18:24<GhostlyDeath>based on the changelog
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18:24<GhostlyDeath>faster memory pageing
18:24<sney>I wasn't aware of any significant real world performance differences between 2.6.26 and .32
18:24<GhostlyDeath>optimized timer stuff
18:24*sney shrug
18:25<GhostlyDeath>They changed how paging works
18:25<GhostlyDeath>It used to be linear
18:25<GhostlyDeath>now it's multi-dimensional
18:25<GhostlyDeath>static and never freed pages, cache pages, etc.
18:26<GhostlyDeath>So if the system wants some memory it searches through a smaller list instead of a huge one
18:26<sney>anyway, your disk issue is almost certainly udev, but I'm not sure how to fix it because I still don't completely understand how udev works
18:26<GhostlyDeath>the more the RAM the longer the search
18:26<GhostlyDeath>sney: I figured as much since if Linux didn't like it it wouldn't tell me anything about the drive
18:26<sney>right, and having lots of ram is pretty run of the mill these days
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18:27<GhostlyDeath>This is an old Dual P3 (SL4BS) system with 2Gbs of RDRAM PC800-45
18:27<GhostlyDeath>slow, I don't care but it works for me heh
18:27<GhostlyDeath>runs good actually, although some stuff is intensive to it
18:28<GhostlyDeath>such as epiphany browser, I use WindowMaker though
18:28<sney>heh, I had a similar system once. bit of a bottleneck between the CPUs, but great for multitasking
18:28<GhostlyDeath>Dell Precision 420
18:28<GhostlyDeath>with my own touches to it (tons of hard disks and CF cards)
18:28<GhostlyDeath>hardware wise, the components vary from 1994 to 2010
18:28<zax1>hi at all! :)
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18:29<GhostlyDeath>sney: Bought it online in April or so, actual system is 10 years old though
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18:29<GhostlyDeath>But I got spares to replace anything that goes bad
18:29<sney>you paid for it? I rescued mine out of the trash in '05 ;)
18:30<GhostlyDeath>I paid for it
18:30<sney>zax1: hello
18:30<GhostlyDeath>$15 =(
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18:30<GhostlyDeath>But all the other hardware and such
18:30<sney>also, GhostlyDeath, before themill or someone bothers us, the proper place for these discussions is #debian-offtopic
18:30<GhostlyDeath>nearing $800 or so
18:30<GhostlyDeath>or PM
18:30<GhostlyDeath>but anyway, for my problems
18:30<GhostlyDeath>If Linux hated it, it would tell me
18:31<GhostlyDeath>It finds the disks, it just never creates the /dev/
18:31<GhostlyDeath>Also the PVR150 did not work at all, but probably since the firmware doesn't work or load at all
18:31<sney>I'd say boot into the system and create them with mknod, and if that works start digging through udev nonsense, or just script mknod to create the devices on every boot
18:31<GhostlyDeath>unless I go to squeeze
18:32<GhostlyDeath>sney: I'd need to know what to tell mknod though
18:32<zax1>Hello sney !
18:32<GhostlyDeath>sney: Then i'd need to make the by-uuid dev stuff?
18:32<chealer>!tell GhostlyDeath about enter
18:33<GhostlyDeath>bad habit, heh
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18:33<sney>mknod is a fairly simple beast, major-minor numbers are assigned sequentially, if you know them for 1 disk on a certain controller then guessing the other one is simple
18:33<GhostlyDeath>sney: regardless of the libata jumbling?
18:34<GhostlyDeath>I will be back in a bit, cya
18:34<sney>that does make things a little hairy but just don't reboot too often and you'll be fine
18:37*zax1 go. Good night.
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18:40<sney>I wonder if he was looking for warez.
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18:50<GhostlyDeath>I am back
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18:51<GhostlyDeath>sney: That's what I was afraid of, so hopefully squeeze in some time doesn't have this problem at all
18:51<raph_ael>hi, i have a little problem with bash on unstable, tab completion does only tab no completoin
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18:52<GhostlyDeath>raph_ael: is it really bash?
18:52<GhostlyDeath>The default was changed to dash sometime ago
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18:53<themill>GhostlyDeath: not as a user shell, it wasn't.
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18:53<raph_ael>GhostlyDeath: i clearly typed bash
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18:53<raph_ael>GhostlyDeath: also bin/sh redirects to bash
18:54<raph_ael>i heard some boot scripts had issues with dash
18:54<GhostlyDeath>raph_ael: Do you know if the bash init scripts run when you create a new shell?
18:55<raph_ael>GhostlyDeath: how could i check ? strace ?
18:55<GhostlyDeath>if [ -f /etc/bash_completion ]; then . /etc/bash_completion; fi
18:55<raph_ael>GhostlyDeath: btw thanks for help
18:55<GhostlyDeath>no problem
18:55<GhostlyDeath>raph_ael: does /etc/bash_completion exist at all? If it does try . /etc/bash_completion; that is how it's enabled normally in bash
18:56<raph_ael>i'm checking
18:56<GhostlyDeath>If it does not exist you may need a package
18:56<GhostlyDeath>And double check for that bash-completion is installed
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18:57<raph_ael>GhostlyDeath: bash completion is installed, and my user .bashrc contains the line about completion
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18:58<GhostlyDeath>raph_ael: if you execute ". /etc/bash_completion" is there any change in tab completion?
18:58<raph_ael>GhostlyDeath: it does the same
19:00<raph_ael>ie no completion
19:00<GhostlyDeath>I wouldn't have any other idea then, sorry
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19:00<GhostlyDeath>raph_ael: You upgrade anything bash related recently?
19:01<GhostlyDeath>when it stopped working
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19:01<GhostlyDeath>just out of the blue it stopped working then?
19:02<raph_ael>in fact it's not my default shell, but it's a bit annoying when using yafc or some other cli tools
19:02<raph_ael>GhostlyDeath: it has always been like that in fact
19:02<GhostlyDeath>which shell is your default?
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19:03<GhostlyDeath>raph_ael: add #!/bin/bash at the start of /etc/bash_completion and try ". ###" again
19:04<GhostlyDeath>shot in the dark
19:04<hayleyw>where do i insert the database information for snort-mysql? i've created the database but when debconf doesnt ask me for the db name/username/pass nothing and in /etcc/snort/snort.conf it says not to touch that area
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19:05<GhostlyDeath>raph_ael: I'm going to head to sleep so good lucj
19:05<raph_ael>GhostlyDeath: good night and thanks again :)
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19:20<VegasMike>Do you support ubuntu here?
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19:20<TCW>VegasMike, _no_
19:20<Duber>obviously not but throw your question
19:20<abrotman>no, do not
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19:22<VegasMike>I run ubuntu on an acer aspire one netbook and my mic works with the system test app but not with skype
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19:23<TCW>omfg, the combination is kinda funny... but absolutley unsupported here
19:23<Duber>VegasMike maybe try some recording program to make sure it works with the system and then ask skype people if doesn't work with skype only
19:24<abrotman>VegasMike: please go to #ubuntu on, this channel is not for ubuntu support
19:24<abrotman>Duber: do NOT tell people to do that again
19:24<Duber>abrotman to throw question you mean ?
19:25<abrotman>Duber: This channel is for Debian support
19:25<TCW>Duber, to throw ubuntu related questions
19:25<VegasMike>Thanks... wanted to go there but got dumped in here by default
19:25<abrotman>VegasMike: /server, then /join #ubuntu, have a nice day
19:25<TCW>VegasMike, huh?
19:26<TCW>VegasMike, dumped by default to #debian?
19:26<abrotman>I think he can go now, have a nice day!
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19:26<TCW>abrotman, more or less agreed... but I find it kinda strange if a ubuntu irc-client joins #debian automatically...
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19:27<abrotman>who cares .. if it continues to be a problem, file a bug on the ubuntu package
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19:28<TCW>abrotman, how could _I_? I am an ignoirant debian-only user :)
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19:28<TCW>ignorant even
19:28<abrotman>anyways ..
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19:31<recode>'s everyone doing today?
19:34<sney>abrotman: that's actually been done a couple times in the past. I spoke personally to an ubuntu developer about something unrelated and mentioned it, and he said they don't care about their users not being able to find the correct support channel easily
19:34<sney>recode: not bad, and you?
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19:41<jok>Hi is this channel for support or just for Debian info?
19:42<retrospectacus>debian support
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19:44<jok>I've got a fresh installation of one of the Squeeze dailies from Aug 8th, I'm trying to figure out if it's normal that the HDD is very frequently in action for [kjournald] even when the system is otherwise apparently idle? Wasn't expecting so much activity for an idle system.
19:45<jok>Guess the question is... is that normal or to be expected?
19:46<jok>My Windows box is sitting next to it all nice and quiet.
19:46<sney>it's thrashing the disk constantly? no, that's not normal
19:46<retrospectacus>jok: how do you know it's kjournald?
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19:47<jok>I was just watching it with 'iotop' - I've only installed iotop and ntp so far.
19:48<retrospectacus>how much RAM? swapping?
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19:49<jok>2 GB RAM, 256M in use. Zero in swap.
19:51<jok>That was an overview, of course. Should I look for how much kjournald is using?
19:52<adlaius>did you chroot to your HDD from the install or reboot? I had something similar a few days ago when I returned to Debian; running the installed kernel (2.6.32-trunk) seems to have fixed it...
19:52<retrospectacus>no that sounds fine. maybe a "updatedb" or something is running
19:53<jok>adlaius: I rebooted.
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19:54<jok>I was wondering if it's a kernel issue.
19:54<jok>I've been advised by others to go back to Lenny :)
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19:55<retrospectacus>squeeze works for me but I have 2.6.30-2-686
19:56<jok>I'm using 2.6.32-5-amd64
19:56*jmad980 squeezes retrospectacus
19:56<retrospectacus>best day ever
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19:57<jok>Would you advise that I just give the Lenny installer a go or is it simpleish to up/downgrade the kernel on my current installation?
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19:59<adlaius>well, squeeze is frozen now, so I don't think it'd make much sense to go back to Lenny. Have you pulled in the latest updates with aptitude?
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20:01<jok>I'm assuming so? it was a netinstall (not sure if that infers it is up to date)
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20:01<retrospectacus>not necessarily, completely.. should try that
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20:02<jok>aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade returns no changes.
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20:02<jok>The fact squeeze was frozen was why I chose it over Lenny.
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20:04<adlaius>how long's the box been up?
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20:05<jok>3 hours, but this is the second time I've run through the installer. I think I had misaligned partitions the first time and that was up for over 24 hours with the same symptom.
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20:07<jok>It's installed on LVM on top of a software RAID-5 array, if that could make a difference.
20:08<adlaius>how many disks?
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20:09<jok>3x 1TB. 3 primary partitions on each. First partition software RAID-1 /boot, 2nd partition swap, 3rd LVM on software RAID-5.
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20:12<adlaius>and what distro/OS are you coming from? ... or is this a new system?
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20:12<jok>New system, drives were empty.
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20:16<jok>Is it possible to confirm why kjournald is writing, possible ongoing process as retrospectacus mentioned earlier..?
20:17<adlaius>dunno... what's the cumulative I/O data on that?
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20:17<jok>Could you advise me how to check?
20:19<adlaius>you mentioned using iotop, right? Run "iotop -a" and it will run in "accumulative" mode
20:20<NickyP>I installed squeeze from dvd and now have inet going. Where/how to get sources.list that will update from the
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20:22<jok>adlaius: kjournald is barely popping to the top on iotop now. It just jumps there every now and then with a quick burst of writing to disk. It could be that I am totally mistaken and this _is_ to be expected and it's why I avoided the word 'thrashing'.
20:23<jok>My misunderstanding could be that even this basic install is going to be writing to disk when to me 'nothing' is going on.
20:25<adlaius>could be. you could try disabling access time updates, see if that makes a difference (mount option "noatime")
20:25<jok>I thought an idle system would sit there, inactive w.r.t disk activity.
20:25<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc> lenny main" and "deb lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
20:25<jpinx-eeepc>NickyP: ^^^
20:28<NickyP>jpinx-eeepc: thank you :-)
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20:29<adlaius>jok: you might want to set up a collecting iotop in screen or tmux and leave it for a few hours, see if things look "normal" over time
20:29<jok>adlaius: I've got /, /usr, /var, /tmp and /home on different logical volumes, should I just edit the mount options for all?
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20:30<adlaius>might as well, I suppose
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20:31<jok>adlaius: Well after 10 minutes iotop -a indicates only 8K written by kjournald and 24K written by winbindd
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20:32<adlaius>wow, that's a lot less than my laptop did in the same time
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20:32<jok>This box here isn't running anything though, is it :)
20:32<adlaius>are you still seeing/hearing lots of disk activity?
20:33<jok>It's just periodic disk writes.
20:33<adlaius>(mine's barely running anything)
20:33<jok>Definately not lots of activity.
20:34<jok>Another 4K for kjournald
20:34<jok>Make that 8K.
20:35<jok>Bit more for both.
20:35<adlaius>(roughly) how long do the writes last, and how long between them?
20:36<jok>Activity is given roughly by 1-2 sec of illuminated HDD LED.
20:36<jok>None in the last two minutes.
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20:40<jok>Had a 3-4 minute gap then a couple of writes in succession.
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20:43<adlaius>I've seen that behavior a few times before with different distro/hardware combos; never figured out what caused it. Sometimes (like this time) upgrading kernels "solved" it, sometimes moving to lvm
20:43<adlaius>I guess it's not too serious -- it never killed any of my hard drives
20:45<jok>Yeah. Another 4-5 minute gap then some more activity just then.
20:46<jok>I was just curious as to what it was doing.
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20:46<jok>Maybe I'm supposed to put the box in an unused room and stop listening to it? :D
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20:49<jok>Could it be because I am watching iotop -a over SSH? *blush*
20:51<jok>The activity/disk writes.
20:52<adlaius>and you're *sure* that you're looking at the right machine? :P
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20:53<jok>Yeah, it's the only Linux box on the local network.
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20:55<adlaius>in that case, no, I'm sure it's not a problem
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21:16<Thays>hi people
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21:35<grimnar>How can I make debian use more of my screen real estate?
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21:35<grimnar>Terminal mode
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21:36<grimnar>Its only using about 1/4 of the screen
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21:36<dbldtx_>Grimnar; alt + right click > drag
21:37<Zborg>how can you decrease the sensitivity of a usb/bluetooth mouse without affecting your built in touchpad?
21:37<grimnar>dbldtx_: really?
21:37<ekscrypto>grimnar: you could turn on framebuffer probably
21:39<grimnar>ekscrypto: okay :P
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21:43<grimnar>ekscrypto: And I can use gfxmode in /etc/default/grub as well?
21:43<ekscrypto>grimnar: my reasoning is if its your terminal and you are using an LCD monitor (assumption), then the resolution is too low and your monitor is not using all the real-estate as it does not stretch the data received
21:44<ekscrypto>if you turn on framebuffer, linux will do the fontsizing for you so it fits the resolution
21:44<grimnar>yeah, its probably 640x480
21:45<ekscrypto>now on how to do this, you might need other ppl as I've been out of the Linux world for too long :P
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21:46<grimnar>There is a way to do this via grub and vbeinfo/vbetool
21:47<ekscrypto>yeah, should be; provided your kernel was compiled with the proper options (no idea if the default kernel does)
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21:50<grimnar>ekscrypto: I think this forum thread has a solution
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21:53<ekscrypto>grimnar: looks good, just make sure you have a backup option in grub in case you can't see a thing
21:54<grimnar>ssh :D
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22:18<redmage>Hi. I just installed Debian 5.0.5 and found out that this laptop's wireless device isn't compatible with it, even though I just came off of using #!, which was brewed up from Debian Squeeze.
22:18<redmage>Could someone point me in the right direction towards getting my wireless device back up?
22:18<abrotman>which wifi?
22:20<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>, <wl>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wimax>.
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22:21<Zborg>is there any way to set the sensitivity of a bluetooth mouse without requiring it to be connected at boot?
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22:22<dondelelcaro>Zborg: assuming the device gets reported to udev, you could do it using a PROGRAM rule; not sure if there's a better way
22:23<dondelelcaro>(but there probably is)
22:24<Zborg>dondelelcaro: I tried using xorg.conf but if I use /dev/input/mice then it always goes to the alps touchpad (even though it is already configured) and if I use /dev/input/mouse3 then I have to restart the X server if I want to use the bluetooth mouse
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22:25<dondelelcaro>Zborg: and it doesn't work if you just use xset?
22:26<Zborg>it doesn't show up in xset
22:26<Zborg>xinput that is
22:28<Zborg>and won't using xset also slow down the touchpad as well?
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22:29<Zborg>hang on, have to restart X (again)
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22:29<dondelelcaro>yes, it'll affect the other devices as well
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22:31<redmage>I just went through the !wifi help and even though it is telling me the right way to get the wifi driver I need, I'm getting an "W: GPG error: lenny-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C" issue.
22:32<abrotman>redmage: the tells you how to resolve that in the Instructions page
22:32<redmage>Thank you.
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22:33<Zborg>xset m helps some but it is still a bit too fast
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22:35<abrotman>move it slower?
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22:36<Zborg>abrotman: still too fast
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22:36<Zborg>abrotman: the slightest movement shouldn't send the pointer all the way across the screen
22:36<nuku>hi there
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22:37<abrotman>Zborg: Sorry, that was sarcasm ..
22:37<jpinx-eeepc>Zborg: playing with xset has worked for me and my touchpad
22:37<abrotman>But if it's your primary device, that's what I would set it for
22:37<Zborg>abrotman: it isn;t
22:38<Zborg>abrotman: the only thing I can think of is to configure it using /dev/input/mouse3 and then restart the X server whenever I want to use it
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22:41<jpinx-eeepc>Zborg: my primary is my touchpad and xset m works for that
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22:41<jpinx-eeepc>Zborg: but my mouse is usb and xset has no efffect
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22:41<Zborg>jpinx-eeepc: have you found a fix that does not require the mouse to be connected when you start/restart the X server?
22:42<Zborg>xset m helps some, xinput doesn't even show it
22:42<jpinx-eeepc>Zborg: tbh I rarely restart x
22:42<jpinx-eeepc>Zborg: try putting some values into xset m
22:43<jpinx-eeepc>like xset m 3 3
22:43<Zborg>xset m 0 0 is the only thing that is even halfway decent
22:44<jpinx-eeepc>try xset 3 99
22:44<jpinx-eeepc>Zborg: really go nuts with numbers till you see effects
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22:45<jpinx-eeepc>Zborg: the thing I want is to reduce sensitivity of my touchpad because I often brush it by accidennt while typing
22:46<Zborg>my bluetooth mouse doesn't even show up in xorg.0.log
22:46<Zborg>though it still works
22:47<jpinx-eeepc>Zborg: I'm using xset m 11 16
22:49<Zborg>any idea on when squeeze will be out?
22:50<jpinx-eeepc>Zborg: it's frozen now
22:50<jpinx-eeepc>just bug killing to do I believe
22:51<Zborg>the only things I have from sid are bluez and dosbox
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23:27<dominick>Hi! I'm trying to lenny->squeeze. I updated the sources.list to include the squeeze repos and then "aptitude install aptitude linux-image-686", but then udev and linux kernel both don't get installed, and leave my system unstable. I had to reinstall lenny to get online (I did that 3 times). Please help!
23:28<dominick>hey retrospectacus, sorry I couldn't stay online. My net got disconnected. Want to suggest something else so that I can try again!?
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23:29<sney>linux-image-686 is not the correct package name
23:30<dominick>sney, dpkg says it is.
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23:30<dominick>sney, anyways, the second time around, i tried with linux-image-2.6.32-5-686, but still had the same problems!!
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23:43<dominick>err... somebody help!!? my last message!!
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23:44<sney>sorry dominick but I think there might be something up with the lenny-squeeze upgrade
23:44<dominick>okay, can you suggest me other ways of getting squeeze running, like a network install or anything?
23:44<sney>you're not the only one who has had problems after following the directions lately
23:45<sney>sure, a network install! the installer is basically the same as the lenny one, just do the same thing with the newer disc
23:45<dominick>how about using linux-backports to get linux-image installed!! and then installing aptitude (from bpo)
23:46<dominick>anything which can get me a working squeeze on my laptop!!?
23:46<sney>hmm, well maybe if you had a backport kernel running you could just do a straight aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade
23:47<sney>anabios: those instructions are out of date, some weird issues have been introduced since 2008 when it was written
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23:50<dominick>yea, they don't apply to my case!
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23:50<sney>dominick: I am more certain now that having a backport kernel already running would smooth the process.
23:51<dominick>hmm... okay, lemme try that! after so many fresh installs, I don't mind doing a fourth!!
23:55<dominick>just in case I get it working, how do I tell dpkg about that?
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23:59<sney>dominick: when you get it working come back and share your success story and we will fix what the bot knows
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