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---Logopened Sat Aug 14 00:00:34 2010
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00:01<Vivek>interbird: I don't think so, I know all the debian developers involved in that conversation
00:01<Vivek>interbird: I am in fact filing my first bug report via email so was just asking around.
00:04<interbird>You know all the debian developers involved and you are filing your first bug-report... (here) -- and you are also "asking around" -- sorry: too many contradictions...
00:04<interbird>what was the name of debian in 2005 ?
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00:07<Guest364>I'm trying to configure nvidia-kernel-source but it can't find the kernel headers. I'm using squeeze and have installed 2.6.32-* but it still can't find it. Not sure, but I think it's looking for something with -trunk in the source. Where can I find this?
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00:10<interbird>You need to install the "linux-headers" package for NVdia to be able to compile. BTW; there is no such thing as an "nvidia-kernel-source"...NVidia makes a "blob" that uses the kernel-interfaces to work.
00:10<Guest364>I have the linux-headers-2.6.32* installed (amd64 and common)
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00:11<interbird>Call NVidia then and ask them; it's their driver that is not workig, right?
00:12<Guest364>no, it's not their driver, it's the deb scripts.
00:12<interbird>All the others do
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00:12<Guest364>my kernel source /usr/src/linux -> linux-headers-2.6.32-trunk-amd64 (which doesn't exist)
00:12<Guest364>and I cannot find a linux-headers-2.6.32-trunk-amd64 package
00:13<locklace>!trunk kernel
00:13<dpkg>[trunk] a term from version control systems such as <cvs>, <svn> and <git>. The "trunk" can often be thought of as a developer's playground, the stability (or otherwise) of the code varies from project to project. . Debian 2.6.32-trunk-* kernel image/headers packages are obsolete and were removed from the archive ; /msg judd kernel --release squeeze ; see Debian bug #568160 and <kernel abi>.
00:13<twiggz>you shouldnt be using the trunk kernel anyway
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00:13<Guest364>I just did a default install of squeeze, this is how it came
00:13<interbird>are you on squeeze ?
00:14<Guest364>only thing I've done is install and then tried to setup video first thing.
00:14<twiggz>upgrade it will install a newer kernel...the *trunk* in the name is a big nono...i dont know who let that into the repos...
00:14<twiggz>you need 2.6.32-5 (iirc)
00:15<twiggz>i went back to bsd.
00:15<interbird>did you know that squeeze is the "upcoming" version and still in "testing" stages where things might not work? (hence the name *testing*)
00:15<twiggz>the wife is still on squeeze...
00:15<locklace>,kernels --release squeeze
00:15<judd>Available kernel versions are: squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-18)
00:15<twiggz>interbird: squeeze is frozen..
00:15<twiggz>its quite stable and everything works.
00:15<twiggz>the wifey uses problems.
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00:16<interbird>twiggz: That does not mean it is already the next deb-version, or does it?
00:16<twiggz>pretty much. it wont be long now.
00:16<Guest364>twiggz, apt-get update/upgrade reports 0 packages, I did a netinstall
00:16<interbird>But it still *is not*.
00:16<Vivek>interbird: Let us see if the Debian Developers involved in this conversation will give me some reply that what I intented.
00:17<Vivek>interbird: Your feedbacks were not useful
00:17<twiggz>Guest364: when you reboot, you should then see more than one kernel to boot. do not choose the trunk kernel..
00:17<twiggz>choose the 2.6.32-5
00:17<interbird>Better yet; get involved yourself and solve the problem with the deb-peoples...
00:17<twiggz>when you boot into that kernel...use synaptic or aptitude or whatever you like to remove that trunk kernel.
00:18<jpinx-eeepc>Guest364: did you sort out your sources.list ?
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00:18<Guest364>jpinx-eeepc, ?
00:19<interbird>Complains about a truly free product is like a fart in the wind: are you the fart or the ass ?
00:19<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc> lenny main" and "deb lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
00:19<jpinx-eeepc>Guest364: ↑↑
00:19<Vivek>interbird: s/that/than
00:19<twiggz>damn the person that put *trunk* in a kernel pkg name! Ive seen this question asked hundreds of times...I myself had to reboot 5 times before i realized i was still rebooting ito the stupid trunk kernel because it stayed first in the grub menu list.
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00:20<Guest364>jpinx-eeepc, yeah, that's not my problem. :) Guess the first kernel (trunk) isn't supposed to be used. How I was supposed to know this, not sure. :-/
00:21<twiggz>it was a screwup by whoever named it that.
00:21*twiggz shrugs
00:21<twiggz>boot the 2.6.32-5 kernel..
00:21<Guest364>Might an update not be a good way to fix/remove it? :)
00:21<jpinx-eeepc>Guest364: you can r4move that if you don't like it
00:21<twiggz>then remove the trunk kernel
00:21<twiggz>like i told you
00:22<twiggz>then it will be gone forever.
00:22<jpinx-eeepc>Guest364: aptitude remove....
00:22<twiggz>very simple..
00:22<Guest364>I know how to remove it, but didn't know I needed to until now
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00:23<jpinx-eeepc>Guest364: make sure your working kernel is ok, boot into it and aptitude remove the one that'sgiving you grief
00:23<interbird>Guest364: What can't you remove ?
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00:23<twiggz>Guest364: well now you know.
00:24<twiggz>spaten oktoberfest on the menu tonight boys.
00:24<twiggz>afk for a bit.
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00:25<twiggz>actually, i need a good cigar to smoke with this brew.
00:25<twiggz>i have some oba oba torpedos, some ACID roams, and one ACID cold infusion tea...
00:25<interbird>!twiggz cigar
00:26<twiggz>alot of people hate acid far i have no had any cigar from drew estates (does acid) that i dont like.
00:26<interbird>!cigar ben
00:28<interbird>acid in cigars? well i guess some kind of acid is everywhere today now-a-days; just eat them all and you will grow immune.
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00:37<twiggz>no doofus, acid is a name of cigars.
00:37<twiggz>one of drew estates names..
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01:07<teknomage2012>fist time IRCer so be nice...
01:07<teknomage2012>frustrated with banging my head against the wall as I see debian in squeeze going the way of many other distros..... as they try to emulate Micro$oft windows.
01:08<teknomage2012>comprehending the logic like this
01:09<teknomage2012>with that kind of logic every computer should include super glue so the ignorant cannot accidentilly unplug thier computers..... not that a sys admin ever has to do so.
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01:11<teknomage2012>removing the default of key unixy features to make things friendly for windows is like watering down milk.
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01:13<teknomage2012>to the point after many hours of web search how do I get a default install of squeeze with desktop=lxde to key bind <ctrl><alt><esc> to xkill so things work NORMAL as they have for over a decade for me?
01:14<teknomage2012>even if you cannot answer, is anyone there just give a ping to let me know I am working this IRC thingy right and reaching a human or three
01:15<ansgar>teknomage2012: I can see what you write.
01:15<teknomage2012>cool, thanks...
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01:15<twiggz>personally, i hate lxde.
01:16<twiggz>openbox and tint2 panel+thunar ....and all gtk2 apps....
01:16<teknomage2012>I am a long time fan of KDE.
01:16<twiggz>i use lxpanel also when the gtk2 theme suits it.
01:16<teknomage2012>kde3.5 was awsome for office productivity, but KDE4 was so bad it it forced me to switch distros....
01:17<twiggz>a desktop environment shouldnt make you switch distros? just install a different wm or de?
01:17<twiggz>thats the most ignorant thing ive seen in the 3 hours Ive been paying attention to irc.
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01:23<Justin_A>it takes 5 clicks or so to go into the keyboard control panel and re-enable c-a-b
01:23<Justin_A>why you would want to do that I have no idea
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01:28<teknomage2012>c-a-b? is what?
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01:31<teknomage2012>just looking to know how to re enable <ctrl><alt><esc> for xkill in squeeze, since google will not tell me.
01:33<twiggz>it never was ctrl+alt+esc
01:34<twiggz>and to reboot from console, ctrl+alt+del
01:36<twiggz>personally, i just like to type "reboot" as root in a terminal.
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01:37<twiggz>why bother typing shutdown -r now ? just type reboot!
01:39<teknomage2012>ctrl+alt+backspace is to kill X I just want to execute xkill the x11-utill program for unruly windows and apps in the window manager.
01:39<simonrvn>aybe do that in your wm config...
01:39<teknomage2012>you know the x utility that turns your mouse into a skull where anything it touches goes away.....
01:40<Justin_A>ctrl-alt-esc is not an X shortcut
01:41<simonrvn>we know what xkill is...
01:41<teknomage2012>I am going to avoid going into a flaming tail spin about the removal of such anchient and usefull key bindings for the modern microsoft user friendly linux....
01:41<Justin_A>calm down.
01:42<Justin_A>ctrl-alt-esc starting xkill was never a standard keybinding.
01:42<simonrvn>'ancient' 'useful'. and it's not gone. like Justin_A said, TMK, there has never been an x-based shortcut for that.
01:42<teknomage2012>ctrl-alt-esc works to invoke xkill in lenny and every version and flavor of linux I have tried before, but not in squeeze
01:42<simonrvn>what wm?
01:43<simonrvn>is that a conf you made?
01:43<teknomage2012>nope default installs
01:43<Justin_A>they FFS, bind control-alt-esc to xkill if you want it so badly
01:43<simonrvn>that's not a wm, and it sounds like a kde-ism.
01:43<teknomage2012>OK, I will give it that
01:44<Justin_A>googling for "renable control-alt-esc" is never going to return anything helpful
01:44<teknomage2012>what is FFS?
01:44<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, ffs is for fuck's sake, or for fine's sake. UCB's Fast File System, or for fearl's sake, or forgetfearl syndrome, or for Fooz' sake, or firefox sucks! Go Iceweasel
01:44<Justin_A>"kde bind key to command" would work a lot better
01:44<Justin_A>i'm pretty sure you go to the keyboard shortcuts control panel, click add, hit control-alt-escape, and tell it to run xkill
01:46<teknomage2012>sounds good, next part of the puzzel if that is what must be done, how do I get that to be part of the skeleton that is setup for new users created on the system in the future?
01:47<Justin_A>it probably changes .kde/kwin.ini or some such that you could add to the skeleton
01:47<Justin_A>i haven't used kde in years so I don't know the specifics :)
01:49<teknomage2012>how are key bindings set and affected in lxde (I have a test computer I am setting up squeeze and other desktop enviroments before deploying the next config on my network)
01:50<Justin_A>i'd check the lxde documentation
01:50<Justin_A>i'm sure it has a similar configuration file
01:52<teknomage2012>just started doing that
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02:15<teknomage2012>YEAaaa I got my key binding for xkill in lxde working, now to copy it into the skeleton
02:15<teknomage2012>ps thanks for the help
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03:16<gmarselis>good morning: i souped up the StartaBeowulf article on debian wiki. can i please have someone review it?
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04:42<ui023j>hi all, I've tried to lock a package that I modified the source and installed (in synaptic) but updates still wants to install the other "official" version over top. How can I prevent this?
04:43<@Ganneff>use an epoch
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04:44<@Ganneff> look there for it.
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05:03<ui023j>Ganneff, I have to be honest, I've read that a few times and don't understand how to use that information.
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05:07<locklace>ui023j: you just make sure the version number you assign has an epoch number in front, like 3:2.7rc4-1
05:08<locklace>ui023j: the 3: will make your version number trump any version number appearing in the official repos
05:09<ui023j>locklace, so I just rename the .deb file? I did an apt-get source, changed some code, then dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us, and installed that .deb
05:09<locklace>no, you change the control file
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05:11<ui023j>so debian/control ? I don't see the package version inside that file.
05:17<ui023j>found another one in debian/packagename/DEBIAN/control, changed version to 3:1.2.3 and rebuilt, installed. Must have done something wrong. sorry, I'm new to this
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05:28<@Ganneff>ui023j: you use the changelog, which contains the version. you should have a local entry there anyways, make that use an epoch
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05:29<wan>whre everybody???
05:30<Gromitt>Hm, waht is the problem, if I got a suspended schroot after running schroot -c $CHROOTNAME
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05:30<wan>fuck u all
05:31<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
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05:35<ui023j>Ganneff, I see. So I changed it to 3:... and it seems to have worked. Thank you
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06:10<dominick>hi! I run debian squeeze on my Acer Aspire 5630. I'm trying to access an xD card from the inbuilt card reader. When I insert the card into the slot, nothing happens. /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog do not change after inserting the card, and debian does not have a /dev/card*. Please help me set up my card reader!
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06:15<jpinx-eeepc>dominick: does dmesg tell you what happens when you plug it in?
06:15<jpinx-eeepc>or tail -f /var/log/syslog
06:16<dominick>jpinx-eeepc, i already mentioned, /va/log/syslog doesn't change!
06:17<dominick>* /var/log/syslog
06:17<jpinx-eeepc>dominick: then you might be missing the appropriate driver
06:17<jpinx-eeepc>or the card is duff
06:18<jpinx-eeepc>did you try the card in another machine?
06:18<dominick>jpinx-eeepc, my system is a dual boot with windows, and it works there!
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06:19<jpinx-eeepc>dominick: then chase dwon drivers for yours - I'm afraid I don't know enough to help there
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06:20<dominick>jpinx-eeepc, does anyone know of any open drivers for an inbuilt card reader?
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06:25<Uhcak>Hey folks, I'm having problems with some iptables rules >>
06:26<Uhcak>I've got an irc bouncer running on port 1110, and have a redirect for 110 to 1110. That seems to work fine, however I get a connection refused with port 110 when the filter rules are enabled.
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06:26<Uhcak>Disabled, I can connect fine. What mistake have i made with my rules?
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06:30<JackomoLight>hello world
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06:42<locklace>Uhcak: try adding a iptables -t filter -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 1110 -j ACCEPT
06:42<Uhcak>Thank you locklace, i'll try that now :)
06:44<Uhcak>Actually wait, I already have that
06:45<locklace>not in what you pasted you don't
06:45<Uhcak>Sorry, I should be clear - i've tried that too.
06:47<Uhcak>Do you have any other ideas?
06:47<Uhcak>I guess I could try a different port - but I'm fairly sure it's a problem with my iptables as when I flush them I can connect to ZNC fine :(
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06:48<m``> Hello, do you think it's a good idea to downgrade from sid to lenny?
06:48<locklace>why are you even running it on one port and redirecting from a different one
06:48<m``>Or it's better to make a clean install?
06:49<locklace>m``: there is no downgrade
06:49<dpkg>[downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
06:49<abrotman>m``: you really can't do that .. you can try if you really want, but it likely won't go so well
06:49<jpinx-eeepc>m``: ↑↑
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06:50<m``>so i better just install lenny from scratch
06:50<Uhcak>locklace: I don't want ZNC running as root, but I want to use a commonly unblocked port. 110 is the standard pop3 port.
06:50<m``>luckily enough i have my /home on a separate patrion
06:50<Uhcak>But the redirect is working fine.
06:51<Uhcak>With everything but the redirect flushed - I can connect on 110 (and 1110)
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06:55<locklace>Uhcak: start with just the redirect rule, then add some filter accepts for those ports
06:56<locklace>Uhcak: all you should need for it to work is the accept established and accept to 1110
06:57<Uhcak>With just the redirect it works. What do you mean by "filter accepts for those ports"?
06:57<Uhcak>Sorry for all the questions.
06:58<locklace>start with no rules and incrementally add accept rules until it works
06:59<Uhcak>Oh wait, I think I know what it might be
06:59<locklace>iptables is such a poorly-documented, byzantine tower of egregious hacks that doing anything else will only lead to death or insanity or both
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07:00<Uhcak>Heh heh
07:00<dohl>Hello, I am installing Debian Lenny but I want to keep my windows installation too. Should I put a `bootable' flag onto my `/' partion?
07:00<locklace>!dual boot guide
07:00<dpkg>A guide for setting up dual booting with various combinations of Linux and Windows (XP, Vista, 7) can be found at . The guide covers both Windows and Linux being installed first on the machine. Also ask me about <fixmbr>, <supergrub>.
07:02<dohl>Unfortunately is not currently available in your country for legal and commercial reasons. If you wish to contact the site administrator, please email We regret any inconvenience caused.
07:03<Uhcak>Woo, got it working. Not 100% sure how. But it's happy now.
07:03<Uhcak>Thanks locklace =3
07:04<locklace>!congratulate Uhcak
07:04<dpkg>Nice one Uhcak, you did it!
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07:05<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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07:32<marcos_FreeShopRedes>pessoal alguem poderia me ajudar por favor
07:34<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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07:43<sophi>Hello, i'm having problems with X11 forwarding over ssh, in installed Debian Squeeze system, the DISPLAY variable doesn't set, anybody can help?
07:44<mru>sophi: do you have xauth installed on the server?
07:45<sophi>package yes, but that seems to be the problem, i don't know how to fix it, the .Xauth file is empty
07:46<mru>it should be generated if you log in with ssh -X or -Y
07:46<mru>sophi: does your server allow x11 forwarding?
07:46<sophi>it haven't existed, i 'touch' it
07:46<sophi>yes in sshd_config
07:47<sophi>it is enabled by default
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07:47<sophi>X11Forwarding yes
07:49<sophi>i tried creating, copying the .Xauthority file, when it's gone xauth says it create it, but it didn't
07:49<mru>hm, no idea, it works for me if i have xauth installed and login with ssh -X or ssh -Y
07:49<mru>ah permission problems?
07:50<sophi>rm .Xauthority
07:50<sophi>root@Kargul:~# xauth list
07:50<sophi>xauth: creating new authority file /root/.Xauthority
07:50<sophi>root@Kargul:~# xauth list
07:50<sophi>xauth: creating new authority file /root/.Xauthority
07:50<sophi>xauth doesn't run from root?
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07:50<sophi>i mean the user that's is using it
07:50<mru>hm? it runs as the specific user you login
07:51<dpkg>You can run X11 apps securely over an ssh connection without <xhost> nor X TCP support. Enable X11Forwarding _on the remote server_ (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (lenny) or xbase-clients (etch) on both the client and the server. Then "ssh -X" from the client and run X apps on the remote machine. See also <root x> and <cygwin sshx>.
07:52<sophi>the xbase-clients is installed
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07:52<mosty>any useful info in ssh -v -X ?
07:52<sophi>with -vvv
07:52<sophi>it says
07:53<sophi>debug3: Ignored env DISPLAY
07:53<sophi>I exchange keys in login, but it shouldn't make a difference
07:56<sophi>xauth cannot create file, but I login as root, and logged root can create it, so I don't understand
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07:56<sophi>the .Xauthority
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07:57<sophi>any ideas?
07:58<mosty>fs permissions problem on the server?
07:59<sophi>when I login as root I can create /root/.Xauthorize by 'touch' for instance; the /root has chmod 700
07:59<mosty>and as your user?
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08:01<sophi>I tried to forward X11 from root, the synaptic for instance; on Ubuntu it worked. The user has 755
08:01<sophi>but I don't login on it
08:03<sophi>the squeeze was installed from debootstrap
08:04<mosty>maybe check that you have /proc mounted properly on the server? i often forget that when using debootstrap, and it causes unexpected failures
08:05<sophi>mount /proc
08:05<sophi>mount: proc already mounted
08:05<sophi>proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
08:05<sophi>i forgot to add it to /etc/fstab but it is mounted
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08:10<sophi>let's assume that xauth cannot access .Xauthority for whatever reasons, could be it?... because it cannot create it
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08:12<mosty>do you get an error messages from xauth -v ?
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08:14<sophi>no, it says it is creating the file .Xauthority and using it, but it doesn't... the user has .Xauthority, but DISPLAY isn't set also
08:15<sophi>oot@Kargul:~# xauth -v
08:15<sophi>xauth: creating new authority file /root/.Xauthority
08:15<sophi>Using authority file /root/.Xauthority
08:15<sophi>but the file doesn't exists
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08:16<mosty>does it work as a non-root user?
08:17<cahoot>got a root owned .Xauthority in users $HOME?
08:17<sophi>the non-root user has .Xauthority file, should I delete it?... DISPLAY isn't set on it also
08:18<sophi>no the user owned in home
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08:19<mosty>maybe try running strace on xauth
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08:21<sophi>i haven't used this tool, but I see what it does
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08:21<mosty>it shows the syscalls
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08:22<sophi>open("/root/.Xauthority", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
08:22<sophi>access("/root/.Xauthority", F_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
08:22<sophi>write(2, "xauth: creating new authority f"..., 54xauth: creating new authority file /root/.Xauthority
08:22<sophi>) = 54
08:23<sophi>it tries to open the file many times
08:23<sophi>no sorry, it was earlier command
08:24<sophi>access("/etc/", F_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
08:24<abrotman>you're trying to sshx as root? why?
08:24<abrotman>are you running X as root?
08:24<sophi>access("/etc/", R_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
08:24<sophi>no, the X is owned by user
08:24<abrotman>but you're doing the ssh as root?
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08:25<sophi>yes, i tried to run synaptic on my computer from the other. It doesn't need to have X running at all, doesn't it?
08:25<sophi>in X forwarding
08:26<abrotman>okay .. a) that's why it's not working b) why not just run aptitude on the remote machine?
08:27<sophi>I can run aptitude/apt-get, but i like to run synaptic and other configuration in X tools
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08:28<sophi>in ubuntu also the user run X and it worked, i thought that X can be forwarded without X running on the remote machine anyway
08:28<abrotman>ubuntu doesn't always do things the correct way
08:29<sophi>yes, that's why it annoyed me sometimes
08:29<abrotman>!mit magic cookie
08:29<dpkg>mit-magic-cookie is a key that a client application is required to possess in order to use your X11 display. Running xhost + removes this requirement which is why you should never use <xhost>. The xauth utility is in the xauth package (formerly xbase-clients) and is used to manipulate the mit-magic-cookie; ask me about <mit-magic-cookie export>. For other, easier ways of running apps as another user, ask me about <root x>.
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08:31<sophi>ok, so if I understand correctly I need to run X session as root to create the key?
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08:32<Gomex>Happy Debian Day for you!
08:32<Gomex>Debian Day It's happening here in Brazil...
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08:34<sophi>well, gdm doesn't allow me to login as root; but i tried to forward X11 from user that own X session and as I said DISPLAY haven't been set
08:37<sophi>as root I can access user X session by setting his DISPLAY and XAUTHORITY variable
08:37<Gomex>if you wanna see news about Debian Day in Brazil, follow this tag
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08:41<sophi>ok, i tried to figure it myself how all this is working. BTW do You know any good linux tools for debuging that splits program into assembler instructions?
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08:45<sophi>ok?... any else?.... i will write a small operating system for my computer science diploma, so I would like to know tools that I can use
08:47<Gomex>sophi, You can take a look this link :
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08:49<sophi>Yes, i heard about it. And the minix as a example of simple system, thank You
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08:52<sophi>Ok, thank You very much for Your help, I appreciate. Sorry for my not so good english. I have to go now. Bye :)
08:52<project2501a>hey guys. i got a terminal screen painted red by an aborted d-i. how do i turn i reset the terminal? i tried stty sane, but no worky worky
08:53<project2501a>you will write an OS?
08:53<sophi>Yes a small one
08:53<project2501a>single user? single-task?
08:53<sophi>single-task, for computation programs
08:53<sophi>to be as fast as possible
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08:54<sophi>with IDE and FAT32
08:54<project2501a>where are you going to find IDE hard drives?
08:54<sophi>I have some
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08:55<sophi>I have some websites created by peoples that tried that
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08:56<sophi>anyway I have to go now.
08:56<Gomex>sophi, why create a new SO?
08:56<project2501a>you know that is a good idea
08:56<sophi>for diploma, to learn, to understand
08:56<project2501a>making the senior project to commit 5k lines in a free software project.
08:56<sophi>I like assembler
08:57<project2501a>you must be part of the demoscene
08:57<project2501a>no-one else has ide hard drives and likes assembler these days :D
08:58<Gomex>sophi, great point
08:59<sophi>well I'm from poland, and the IDE drives aren't so common. I have also 1TB sata hard drive
08:59<project2501a>*does not make a joke about the soviets*
08:59<project2501a>hey guys. i got a terminal screen painted red by an aborted d-i. how do i turn i reset the terminal? i tried stty sane, but no worky worky
09:00<sophi>I don't like russia goverment much :)
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09:00<petemc>project2501a: i suggested something in the other debian channel
09:01<project2501a>sorry, i was too preoccupied with the gullag
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09:02<project2501a>petemc: worked, cheers
09:02<sophi>Anyway thanks everybody, thanks Gomex for understanding. Bye :)
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09:21<wzssyqa>how to boot freebsd.gz and initrd.gz from grub2. I downloaded them from
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09:28<victor>I already have openoffice 2.4 on my Lenny PC, I want to upgrade to 3.2 via backports. What is the right way of doing this?
09:28<victor>I have added the backports repository.
09:28<victor>and "aptitude update"
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09:29<abrotman>judd: versions
09:29<judd> -- etch: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch9; etch-security: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch9; etch-backports: 1:2.4.1-12~bpo40+1; lenny: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1+lenny7; lenny-security: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1+lenny7; squeeze-security: 1:3.1.1-15+squeeze1; lenny-backports: 1:3.2.0-11~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1:3.2.1-4; sid: 1:3.2.1-5
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09:30<abrotman>victor: there are instructions on
09:30<victor>yeah, i have read it.
09:30<Gomex>translate package of Debian is easier
09:30<victor>says aptitude -t lenny-backports install foo
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09:31<Gomex>I translatemy first package for Pt-bR
09:31<abrotman>victor: okay, so what didn't work ?
09:32<victor>I am concerned about possible conflicts between to two versions of openoffice.
09:32<victor>its reads install, not upgrade.
09:33<abrotman>it will remove the older versoin
09:33<victor>anyone here have used ooo 3.2 backports, does it cause any problem?
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09:36<batshwa>hi, everybody. i just installed smplayer via debian repo but i need dvb-t support and so dowenloaded the latest version from are there any disadvantages when installing software directly compared to installing via, say, aptitude?
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09:38<jpinx-eeepc>batshwa: yes
09:38<jpinx-eeepc>!why aptitude
09:38<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>).
09:38<jpinx-eeepc>batshwa: ↑↑
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09:39<batshwa>jpinx-eeepc: are there any risks regarding system stability?
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09:41<jpinx-eeepc>batshwa: yes
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09:42<jpinx-eeepc>batshwa: debian is designed to use packages installed the debian way - using aptitude. It is possible to do things otherwise, but if you have to ask here, I suggest you shouldn't ;)
09:42<batshwa>jpinx-eeepc: all right.
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09:44<batshwa>jpinx-eeepc: another question: i tested my memory using memtest86+. considering the tests last for quite a time i quit the computer for a while. after i came back the system was shut down. now does memtest halt the system automatically upon finishing all tests or do is this behaviour suspicious?
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09:45<jpinx-eeepc>dunno batshwa - never used it ;)
09:45<jpinx-eeepc>free is enough for me ;)
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09:46<batshwa>jpinx-eeepc: all right, thanks for your advice!
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09:49<jpinx-eeepc>batshwa: yw :)
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09:50<batshwa>jpinx-eeepc: i'll run it again and watch carefully.
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09:58<Aleric>How can I get flash working on 64-bit?
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09:59<abrotman>Aleric: /msg dpkg adobe flash
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10:00<Aleric>abrotman: It tells me to install flashplayer-mozilla, but that doesn't exist anymore.
10:00<Aleric>I'm on 64bit.
10:01<abrotman>Aleric: there is a section for 64bit
10:01<Aleric>Adobe ripped 64 bit from the net without providing a replacement.
10:01<abrotman>on the wiuki page
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10:03<Aleric>Yes, I think I tried that before... it failed. let me try it again.
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10:05<Aleric>dpkg: error processing ia32-libs-workaround-499043_0.0.1+squeeze1_amd64.deb (--install):
10:05<Aleric> trying to overwrite '/usr/lib32/', which is also in package ia32-libs-libidn11 1.18-0.0
10:05<dpkg>aleric: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
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10:06<Aleric>I deleted ia32-libs-libidn11 for now...
10:09<Aleric>abrotman: Ok, I did what it said on the wiki (those four steps), restarted iceweasel (which did detect the new plugin)... and still no flash.
10:10<Aleric>Ie, when I open a youtube page, I get a gray rectangle where the video should be with the text "Hello, you either have JavaScript turned off or an old version of Adobe's Flash Player. Get the latest Flash player."
10:10<abrotman>Aleric: ls -l /etc/alternatives/ ?
10:10<Aleric>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 60 Aug 14 16:07 /etc/alternatives/ -> /usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/plugins/*
10:11<abrotman>did you restart all instances of icewasel ?
10:12<Aleric>I only have a single window open... iceweasel asked me if I wanted to start, I click yes, and it closed the window and reopened it...
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10:13<abrotman>about:plugins is blank ?
10:14<Aleric>I closed it again.. ps aux shows no iceweasel or firefox
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10:14<Aleric>restarting it, still no flash
10:14<Aleric>about:plugins is a very long page
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10:17<Aleric>It shows:
10:17<Aleric>Java(TM) Plug-in 1.6.0_20
10:17<Aleric>VLC Multimedia Plugin (compatible Totem 2.30.2)
10:17<Aleric>Windows Media Player Plug-in 10 (compatible; Totem)
10:17<Aleric>DivX® Web Player
10:17<Aleric>QuickTime Plug-in 7.6.6
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10:17<Aleric>VLC Multimedia Plug-in
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10:18<Aleric>Shouldn't there be a 'flash' plugin somewhere?
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10:19<abrotman>should be
10:20<abrotman>Aleric: are there any packages held back if you do a package upgradE?
10:20<Aleric>I'm not up to date...
10:21<Aleric>456 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 87 not upgraded.
10:21<Aleric>Need to get 546MB of archives.
10:21<Aleric>I guess I'll upgrade, but I had the exact same problem before, so I doubt it will solve it.
10:22<jordanm>Aleric: what is that? lenny-> squeeze?
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10:23<Aleric>no, squeeze to squeeze :p
10:23<Aleric>I'm not upgrading every day :p ... they replace like all packages at least every month or so.
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10:23<jordanm>Aleric: then i would run stable, sounds like what you want
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10:24<abrotman>Aleric: update all your packages and then we'll talk
10:24<Aleric>I'd consider it, if there was a way to downgrade. But there isn't.
10:24<jordanm>although, at this point, I would just run squeeze as stable when it makes the jump
10:24<Aleric>abrotman: I'm doing that now.
10:25<Aleric>jordanm: I'm using 'testing' in my sources.list, can I just change that into squeeze?
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10:26<abrotman>you should, yes
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10:28<Aleric>stable has almost always been too old for me (I am a developer, just not a debian maintainer ;)
10:29<AmberJ>I just downloaded mplayer essential binary codes from mplayer website....But all directory locations meantioned in README in tar dont exist
10:29<AmberJ>Where do I untar contents of binary codecs for mplayer?
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10:30<Aleric>AmberJ: I have only .deb's installed and mplayer works just fine.
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10:30<RObi>you talk me?
10:30<jordanm>AmberJ: upstream software is supported by upstream, not really here
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10:31<AmberJ>Aleric: I get this when I try to play a flv: Could not open required DirectShow codec ... google told that I need codecs
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10:31<jordanm>!tell AmberJ about dmm
10:32<AmberJ>Ok Thanks jordanm Aleric :)
10:36<Aleric>I hate it that my harddisks are so slow :/ ... I have a RAID5 with three raptors, but this install takes forever, while the four cores do nothing, the bandwidth usage is 0 (it's done downloading) and the harddisks are doing like 2 MB/s on average :(
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10:38<TCW>Aleric, is the rais still syncing?
10:38<TCW>raid even
10:38<sophi>Hello, it's me again, who remembers the talk about X11 forwarding through SSH, i solved it
10:38<Aleric>TCW: What do you mean?
10:38<abrotman>sophi: how is that?
10:39<abrotman>Aleric: he's asking if it was degraded and is resyncing
10:39<sophi>the issue was that /etc/networking/interfaces haven't no lo interface... the only thing that needed to be done was the command 'ifconfig lo up'
10:39<Aleric>no, it's always like this - and as far as I know there is nothing wrong with the harddisks or the RAID
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10:39<TCW>abrotman, or if it is a new install the array was created during install...
10:39<sophi>i put the ssh log into DEBUG, found an error
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10:41<Aleric>I am assuming it is because of the 2 ms seek time... if it does many disk 'random' accesses and only write one page (4 kB) per seek, the speed would be 500 * 4kB = 2MB / s.
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10:43<TCW>Aleric, did you meassure the speed of the array? Like... dd from it to /dev/null or dd to it (a file on it) from /dev/zero? iostat?
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10:44<Aleric>Just a simple data burst is at full speed (> 120 MB/s)
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10:45<TCW>Aleric, and why do you think it performs at 2MB/s?
10:45<Aleric>gkrellm :)
10:46<ottoshmidt>hi all, when i compile package from the source which directory will it be installed?
10:47<cahoot>you decide
10:47<sophi>ottoshmidt probably default /usr/local
10:47<TCW>during what?
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10:48<ottoshmidt>If I don't point to any custom directory
10:48<cahoot>ottoshmidt: probably wisest to make sure it doesn't end up in /usr/bin
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10:48<ottoshmidt>cahoot, how to point to that
10:49<ottoshmidt>during install?
10:49<Aleric>hmm... My RAID is using /dev/sda, /dev/sdb and /dev/sdc. Now this upgrade requires me to pick one of those to "This menu allows you to select which devices you'd like grub-install to be automatically run for, if any."
10:49<Aleric>That kinda feels weird
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10:49<cahoot>ottoshmidt: I've only compiled packaged source with a configurescript that offers the options
10:50<TCW>during what?
10:50<TCW>+ Aleric
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10:50<Aleric>TCW: during grub-pc package upgrade
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10:52<Aleric>As far as I know, I'm using RAID 0 for the /boot partition...
10:53<Aleric>But this grub-install thing, is that before the RAID is configured? I guess it is. So, I should pick /dev/sda ?
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10:57<TCW>Aleric, how should WE know your drive setup?
10:58<Aleric>I thought I just told you
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10:59<TCW>Aleric, where? And "As far as I know" is a really baaaaad thing when you fiddle around with a bootmanager setup
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11:00<Guest404>Ijust downloaded a linux that can be run from usb..
11:00<Guest404>dont know what todo next..
11:00<abrotman>Guest404: was it Debian?
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11:01<Guest404>dont know.. something like knopixx
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11:01<Guest404>and it got debian as a menu
11:01<abrotman>Guest404: then you should ask the knoppix channel, this isn't it
11:01<jpinx-eeepc>Guest404: you can run debian from a USB if you want
11:01<Guest404>im a too ignorant with ubanto
11:02<Guest404>how can i finf firefox with debian?
11:02<Aleric>I read on a webpage that grub version 2 should be md aware... ie, I can add (md0) /dev/md0 to the /boot/grub/ and then install grub in md0... huh huh
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11:02<Guest404>find firefox
11:02<Aleric>I guess I'll just install it in /dev/sda
11:03<jordanm>!tell Guest404 about iceweasel
11:03<sophi>Aleric, i don't know about raid, but if it is hardware, then grub should be aware. I know that kernel can make raid also
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11:04<Guest404>iceweasel? great ill look for it..
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11:06<Guest404>found it! thanks
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11:07<abrotman>Guest404: Are you using Debian or Ubuntu?
11:07<abrotman>or Knoppix?
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11:09<Guest404>oh..forgive me im sorry.. dont know anthing bout this..
11:09<Guest404>i was using windows seven
11:09<abrotman>Guest404: do you have a Debian question ?
11:09<Guest404>and tried this ubuntu that can be run through usb
11:09<abrotman>Guest404: do you have a Debian question ?
11:10<Guest404>well.. ill just go ahead andfigure thisout first
11:10<Guest404>I thank u a lot abrotman
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11:12<mario>does one know a good guide how to get sound working in debian? got standard intel card from ICH9 family
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11:12<abrotman>mario: what is 'uname -r' ?
11:13<abrotman>should just work
11:13<sophi>it is possible that it is working, but You need to toggle something in alsamixer
11:13<abrotman>i have ICH9, just works
11:14<abrotman>!alsa checklist
11:14<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>.
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11:14<mario>maybe i am not in the group, will check this now
11:15<mario>alsaplayer says no stream when i play any media file
11:15<mario>vlc says [0x9b279bc] main interface error: no suitable interface module
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11:18<mario>sound works now
11:18<mario>thx for your help!
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11:18<mario>dpkg, did u get all the info you gave me from a database?
11:18<dpkg>mario: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
11:20<mario>what about parse error?
11:20<sophi>it is a bot
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11:20<mario>dpkg is a bot?
11:20<dpkg>mario: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
11:20<sophi>dpkg -i dpkg
11:20*dpkg removes a lung from sophi and replaces it with dpkg
11:20<mario>thx for the info, was confused of dpkg anyway
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11:20<mario>but he gave useful info
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11:21<sophi>yes, usefull thingy
11:21<mario>where do i get info how to usefully use dpkg?
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11:22<jpinx-eeepc>!tell mario about msg the bot
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11:23<abrotman>mario: yes, dpkg is a bot, he has a database
11:23<jordanm>!tell mario about dpkgbot
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11:28<Aleric>hmm.. not good... my encrypted disk doesn't work anymore :/
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11:34<mario>whats strange is that sound works but neither vlc nor mplayer load interfaces, only sound plays
11:35<mario>dpkg -i vlc
11:35*dpkg removes a speen from mario and replaces it with vlc
11:35<mario>dpkg vlc
11:35<dpkg>[vlc] VLC media player, a free software multimedia player developed by the VideoLAN project, packaged for Debian. For DVD support, ask me about <dvd playback>. Embedded video is buggy in 0.9.x, see and VLC ticket #2136; resolved as of version 1.0.0. #videolan on
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11:36<jordanm>mario: you probably lack codecs from DMM
11:37<mario>whats dmm? cant find something appropriate at wikipedia
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11:37<jordanm>mario: /msg dpkg dmm
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11:38<mario>dpkg dmm
11:38<dpkg>[dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>.
11:38<mjk>Hmm ... Is there a free and OSS graphical automatic(!) routeplanner for Debian? Or for Linux in general? ("routeplanner-gnome" didn't work)
11:38<jordanm>!tell mario about msg the bot
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11:38<mario>i forgot the multimedia repos !!!!!!!!
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11:42<mario>thx jordanm
11:43<mario>dpkg alsa
11:43<dpkg>ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, a project providing device drivers for sound cards. To install, ask me about <install alsa>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <alsa versions>, <alsaconf>. #alsa on
11:44<mario>dpkg alsa-checklist
11:44<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>.
11:44<moldovean>mario, stop it
11:44<mjk>mario: /msg dpkg ... please.
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11:45<mario>i am new to irc but will try to learn etiquette asap
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11:46<mario>dpkg does not answer anymore...
11:46<dpkg>parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, mario
11:47<mario>he only answers when i dont whisper to him
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11:47<mario>one more try, dont flip out plz
11:47<mario>dpkg alsa
11:47<dpkg>ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, a project providing device drivers for sound cards. To install, ask me about <install alsa>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <alsa versions>, <alsaconf>. #alsa on
11:48<demetan>hi, i need a speed internet test with comand lines please
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11:48<abrotman>mario: please msg the bot
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11:49<mario>it does not work when i msg him...
11:49<mario>he does not answer
11:49<abrotman>did you check all your IRC windows?
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11:50<jpinx-eeepc>mario: type " /msg dpkg foo "
11:50<mario>there is one more open window with dpkg,
11:50<jpinx-eeepc>and check your irc client for a new message
11:50<mario>didnt notice
11:50<mario>its the first time i use irc
11:51<abrotman>mario: it works fine ...
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11:52<abrotman>mario: stop msging me
11:52<abrotman>mario: i have no idea which IRC client oyu're using or how it's configured
11:53<demetan>please there is an internet speedtest software in comand line ?
11:53<abrotman>mario: talk in here, stop msging me
11:54<abrotman>demetan: wget
11:54<mario>how do i talk in there?
11:54<jordanm>and ping..
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11:55<demetan>ping isn t apropiate in my case, thank s I am going to try wget
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11:55<abrotman>demetan: download or upload ?
11:55<abrotman>mario: check the preferences, there's an option to open a new tab on priv msg
11:56<lord_rob>wget is ok then
11:56<demetan>nice, 56.1 KB/s
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11:57<demetan>I am conected, ok with a low speed but i can t use a browser
11:57<demetan>w3m in comand line
11:57<abrotman>mario: i'm still NOT going to respond in msg
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11:57<demetan>but iceweasel or another no way
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12:01<abrotman>mario: stop msging me, i'm going to put you on ignore
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12:21<Aleric>When I reboot, I get lots of messages like "Starting ..." for each of the daemons that are start for example.
12:22<Aleric>But it scrolls by so fast I can't read it. Where I can examine that text after having finished booting?
12:22<mosty>check the log files in /var/log/ ?
12:22<Aleric>My /var/log/messages file is empty since 15 July :/
12:22<Aleric>yes I did
12:23<Aleric>nothing there
12:23<abrotman>syslog ?
12:23<Aleric>Also nothing
12:23<jordanm>i would check /var/log/daemon.log
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12:23<Aleric>I saw an error when booting... something like "unknown level (or something) '=notce'
12:24<Aleric>That should be =notice I think, but I can't find it back anywhere.
12:24<jpinx-eeepc>Aleric: dmesg ?
12:24<Aleric>dmesg stops way before showing the 'Starting..' messages
12:24<Aleric>I grepped all files in /etc and all log files in /var/log .. nothing
12:25<mosty>dmesg is just kernel messages. if anything else is being logged (you have syslog installed right?) then it should be in /var/log/
12:25<Aleric>Of the WHOLE reboot that I just did, /var/log/daemon.log contains three lines:
12:26<Aleric>Hmm, maybe not even that.
12:26<Aleric>Aug 14 18:20:51 hikaru ntpd[7044]: Listen normally on 7 virbr0 UDP 123
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12:26<Aleric>and two more about AptDaemon 2 minutes later.
12:27<Aleric>-rw-r----- 1 root adm 0 Jul 15 12:15 messages
12:27<Aleric>-rw-r----- 1 root adm 166955 Jul 15 11:59 messages.0
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12:27<Aleric>That can't be right, right?
12:27<Aleric>Or is 'messages' not used anymore?
12:27<mosty>is syslog installed and running?
12:27<blarson>Aleric: Check your /etc/syslog.conf
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12:29<Aleric>/etc/syslog.conf looks fine to me... only '=notice' stings.
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12:31<Aleric>mosty: I only have a sysklogd package installed and /sbin/syslogd is running
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12:31<jordanm>Aleric: most use rsyslog, as its the default
12:32<Aleric>Oh well
12:32<jordanm>,file /etc/syslogd
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12:32<judd>No packages were found with that file.
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12:32<jordanm>Aleric: where did your syslog come from?
12:32<Aleric>abrotman: Are you still there? I complete updated the system ... nothing held back... Still no flash
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12:36<Aleric>Anyone else have a clue for me? I followed to the letter, but it didn't result in getting a flash plugin. Not 100% sure how to check it, but about:plugins doesn't show me a 'flash plugin' so I guess it didn't work.
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12:37<mosty>Aleric, there is currently no official adobe flash player for linux amd64
12:37<mosty>they pulled it for security reasons
12:37<Aleric>I know, that is why I followed those steps. The url I gave STARTS with saying what you just said.
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12:38<abrotman>Aleric: okay .. moment
12:39<Aleric>/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins contains a symlink -> /usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/plugins/
12:39<Aleric>Nothing else there seems related to flash
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12:41<Aleric>>strings /usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/plugins/ | grep libflashplayer
12:42<Aleric>/usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/ ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, stripped
12:42<Aleric>looks ok to me :/
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12:44<Aleric>Oh wait, there is also -> /etc/alternatives/ in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
12:44<abrotman>and what is in htere?
12:44<Aleric>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 60 Aug 14 16:07 /etc/alternatives/ -> /usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/plugins/*
12:45<Aleric>That's the same as the symlink.. so it would be trying to load it twice
12:46<Aleric>All of the above was installed today though (Aug 14, about 2:45 hours ago)
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12:49<Aleric>about:plugins shows ALL the plugins in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins, except and, which are symlinks to the same thing: /usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/plugins/
12:49<Aleric>abrotman: You have any idea what could be wrong?
12:50<abrotman>it's not actually trying to load anything .. maybe check with strace
12:50<Aleric>Not trying? I just rebooted and it loaded all the other plugins :/
12:51<abrotman>strace -o /tmp/IW.log iceweasel .. wait for it to start, then close it .. then look for flash related stuff in the log
12:51<abrotman>shut down all instances first
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12:57<Aleric>iceweasel --debugger="strace -o /tmp/IW.log -s256 -f -e trace=file"
12:58<Aleric>that didn't work.. of course :/
12:59<Aleric>iceweasel --debugger "strace -o /tmp/IW.log -s256 -f -e trace=file"
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13:02<Aleric>12171 open("/usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/plugins/", O_RDONLY) = 29
13:02<Aleric>12171 read(29, "\177ELF\2\1\1\0\0\0\0\0...etc
13:02<Aleric>12176 execve("/bin/sh", ["sh", "-c", "/usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/i386/linux/npviewer --info --plugin /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/"], [/* 70 vars */] <unfinished ...>
13:04<Aleric>abrotman: This might be the problem:
13:04<Aleric>>/usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/i386/linux/npviewer --info --plugin /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/
13:04<Aleric>Can't open /dev/console, error 13 Permission denied
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13:05<abrotman>that sounds normal
13:05<Aleric>It gave me no output though
13:05<Aleric>I'd expect --info to print something
13:08<Aleric>If I run it as root it doesn't print anything either, but then it 'hangs'... it doesn't return. Maybe waiting for input.
13:09<Aleric>What are your permissions of /dev/console?
13:09<abrotman>probably the same as yours
13:09<Aleric>Do you have working flash?
13:09<Aleric>on 64 bit
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13:11<abrotman>i don't use 64bit (though this machine could)
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13:12<Aleric>Well.. setting /dev/console to mode 666 doesn't help, still no flash
13:12<Aleric>I see nothing wrong in the strace output... no indication that it doesn't like the plugin.
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13:13<MarGarina>Hi. I used to use 'update-rc.d -f <service name> remove' for removing services. however. this method is quite silly, as when a service gets an update, dpkg-configure re-enables it. Is there a proper, permanent way to disable a service?
13:13<mosty>MarGarina, rm /etc/rc*.d/S*servicename
13:14<MarGarina>mosty: when package gets updated, it'll bring back the S*servicename...
13:15<mosty>it only does that if there are no links to that service, and that will leave the K*servicename scripts which just make sure it's stopped when you shutdown
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13:16<MarGarina>mosty: I see. Interesting.
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13:52<groucho>hi... would this be a proper channel to ask about sun-java6-jre not working with konqueror?
13:54<avu>groucho, did you install sun-java6-plugin?
13:54<groucho>avu: yes, and it is working with iceweasel
13:54<groucho>avu: It also shows up in konqueror's about:plugins page
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13:55<avu>ah, no idea then, sorry. I don't actually use konqueror, just thought I'd ask the obvious :)
13:55<groucho>howeer, it is my understanding that konqueror does not nedd the flugin. it uses kjas to sun the java vm directly
13:55<groucho>(i have my fingers cold)
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13:57<groucho>it used to work with sun-java5-jre
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13:58<groucho>I wonder why I upgraded...
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13:59<Woet>top shows this: Cpu(s): 3.5%us, 3.0%sy, 0.0%ni, 93.1%id, 0.0%wa, 0.1%hi, 0.3%si, 0.0%st
13:59<Woet>and keeps going between 90 and 95% id (idle)
14:00<Woet>how come the load average is 3.23?
14:00<mosty>disk io?
14:00<Woet>then it would increase 'wa' (
14:00<Woet> wa -- iowait, Amount of time the CPU has been waiting for I/O to complete.
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14:00<Woet>but that's 0.0% as you can see
14:01<project2501a>i'm doing something wrong
14:01<project2501a>isn't this supposed to be dpkg --set-selections < ./package-file ?
14:02<abrotman>!tell project2501a about debian clone
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14:07<jgoppert>Anyone want to help sponsor premake? I've already packaged it for sid.
14:07<jgoppert>Anyone want to help sponsor I've already packaged it as dis-dev
14:09<jgoppert>Anyone want to help sponsor I've already packaged it for sid.
14:09<abrotman>jgoppert: don't do that
14:09<Woet>we got the message by now
14:09<jgoppert>lol.. sorry
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14:09<abrotman>there's a proper way to ask for a sponsor, and that's not it
14:09<jgoppert>ok, what's the way, i'm new
14:10<jgoppert>but this list takes so long .. :-P
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14:10<abrotman>spamming us won't help you
14:10<jgoppert>didn't mean to spam, was just 3 different packages
14:11<abrotman>so email the list
14:12<jgoppert>ok, will do
14:12<Woet>you didn't e-mail yet, jgoppert?
14:12<jgoppert>no, not yet, not for these packages
14:13<jgoppert>whats the notations RFS: Delta3d?
14:13<abrotman>look at the list, there are examples
14:13<abrotman>and/or read that
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14:16<jgoppert> oooohhh nice :-)
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14:18<Lethalman>hibernate says "Not enough free swap" :P
14:18<Woet>get more swap then
14:19<Lethalman>have to resize the partition... better shut down :)
14:19<Woet>dd if=/dev/zero of=/swap bs=1024k count=1024
14:19<Woet>mkswap /swap && swapon /swap
14:19<Woet>done :)
14:19<Lethalman>right but then on startup? :)
14:19<Woet>create it to execute the swapon on start up
14:20<Woet>add it to init.d
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14:20<Woet>or add it to /etc/fstab, even better :)
14:20<Woet>but that would mean a new partition
14:21<Woet>actually, it works with a file too
14:21<Woet>/swap swap swap defaults 0 0
14:21<Woet>would work
14:21<jgoppert>Trying to get my gpg key for, it says to : gpg --export --armor your-email-address > public-key-file, but when I put the email address the key doesn't show up, whats the email addy for?
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14:21<italovalcy>hi guys! Anyone knows how can I define conditional depends in debian/control? I want something like: Package A depends on: B (if C is installled), X (if D is not installed). Did you got the ideia?
14:21<italovalcy>thanks for any help
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14:26<jgoppert>italovalcy: one way around that is just to create two separate packages, or just install both if there is no conflict
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14:30<italovalcy>jgoppert: yes, I knew, but I think this is an interesting feature in a lot of scenarios... I just want know if it is already implemented or not (and why)...
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14:32<jgoppert>italovalcy: the main reason not to do that is if there were a conflict between the packages, if you try to handle that in your install req. than a user with that package previously installed, will bypass the logic, right?
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14:33<jgoppert>italovalcy: I guess you could handle it with a conditional conflicts?
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14:35<italovalcy>jgoppert: well... I dont know... I have to think about it. Do you have any link of discussion about this (if it was discussed before)
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14:58<italovalcy>jgoppert: thanks for the link, but it was not what I want. I ask about a discussion of implement such feature on debian packages...
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15:04<bremner>jgoppert: does "gpg --list-keys $address" generate any output?
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15:06<jgoppert>bremner: thanks for the help, the issue was i was trying to submit a different addy on debian mentors than my currently generated gpg key
15:07<bremner>jgoppert: you know you add uid's to a key, right?
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15:08<jgoppert>bremner: I didn't know that, i just created another key
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15:08<bremner>oh. Well if you don't have any signatures by other people on your key, it doesn't matter.
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15:09<jgoppert>yeah, haven't done that yet
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16:14<shiznatix>where can I find the dutch help channel?
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16:17<dpkg>Voor Nederlandstalige hulp met debian kunt U terecht in #debian-nl. For help with debian in Dutch, you can join #debian-nl.
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16:27<oddtod>hey guys i have installed apache2 and php5 + libapache2-php5-mod but php isn't working in apache I have tried reinstalling the package by purging and reinstalling i
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16:27<cahoot>also run a2enmod php?
16:29<jordanm>!php still wants me to download
16:29<jordanm>!listkeys php
16:29<dpkg>Factoid search of 'php' by key (15 of 48): #debian php wants me to download still ;; #debian php4 ;; #debian php5 ;; #debian phpmyadmin ;; _default php wants me to download still ;; _default php-gtk ;; _default php5 ;; _default phpnuke ;; apache+php #del# ;; install php5 ;; php gd ;; php mysql ;; php tellmatic ;; php4 ;; php4->php5.
16:30<jordanm>!php wants me to download still
16:30<dpkg>The usual problem is your browser caching the content, so make sure you cleared your browser cache and restarted your browser and also verify that it's still a problem outside of your browser using wget, GET, curl, telnet, netcat etc. Do make sure you have carefully read <install php> and /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz as well as many common problems are addressed. See also
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16:48<Guest419>does anyone know a good svn gui client for debian besides rapid svn
16:49<avu>Guest419, your best bet is probably to use the one integrated in your editor/IDE
16:49<Guest419>was using eclipse
16:49<avu>besides those, GUI client for VCSs tend to suck
16:49<Guest419>but i thought it would be cool if it had a version tree
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16:49<avu>subclipse is pretty decent
16:50<Guest419>i messed with subclipse
16:50<avu>(the eclipse svn client)
16:50<avu>(if you can call anything eclipse "decent" ;))
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16:50<Guest419>you do not think eclipse is decent/
16:51<avu>I don't. But you shouldn't be bothered by that too much, I'm just a random guy on IRC
16:51<avu>I could be a child molesting lunatic for all you know
16:51<Guest419>i love eclipse
16:51<Guest419>just wondering what you thought was wrong with it
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16:52<avu>it's unstable, uses too much resources, doesn't have enough features
16:52<avu>that's the gist of it anyway
16:52<avu>(I'm an intellij idea user, so I pretty much have to say/think those thinks, it's in their EULA)
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16:57<jgoppert>So I'm running debian stable, and trying to test out a 3d program I'm packaging on sid, will a chroot or something work
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17:00<jgoppert>I put my package up on the mentors list and I got a response back saying there are lintian error on my package. But I built with stable and did a lintian check and there were none. Do I have to run sid to do development?
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17:01<mosty>it will probably help, since that's the target you will be making packages for, until the next release cycle
17:01<franki^>jgoppert: I believe there's a #debian-mentors channel that might be more useful for you.
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17:01<jgoppert>franki^: thanks
17:02<jgoppert>ok i'm going to jump over the mentors channel
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17:29<oddtod>hey guys i have installed apache2 and php5 + libapache2-php5-mod but php isn't working in apache I have tried reinstalling the package by purging and reinstalling i
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17:40<groucho>oddtod: have you enabled php5 it in apache2's configuration?
17:41<petemc>you shouldnt have to do anything, it should work right after installation
17:41<abrotman>oddtod: what about it doesn't work? did you try with wget?
17:41<petemc>!php wants me to download still
17:41<dpkg>The usual problem is your browser caching the content, so make sure you cleared your browser cache and restarted your browser and also verify that it's still a problem outside of your browser using wget, GET, curl, telnet, netcat etc. Do make sure you have carefully read <install php> and /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz as well as many common problems are addressed. See also
17:41<oddtod>abrotman; PHP code doesn't display properly in. Did i try what with wget?
17:42<oddtod>groucho: i have looked on several sites and most of them say simply installing the package would be enough. Is there something i should be looking for specifically to add?
17:42<groucho>oddtod: you mean, you get the source of the script, instead of the output of running the script?
17:43<oddtod>groucho: no it doesn't show anything. As though the text lines aren't there at all
17:43<groucho>oddtod: check that /etc/apache2/mods-enabled contains a symbolic link called php5 to /etc/apache2/mods-available/php5
17:44<groucho>oddtod: then I agree with abrotman, try wget, elinks, lynx or some other simple browser
17:46<oddtod>groucho: the links exist. how do i test php with wget?
17:46<groucho>wget followed by some url that hits a php script in your server
17:47<groucho>the same thing you've tried with firefox or whatever that made you say that I didn't work
17:47<groucho>except that using wget instead
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17:49<groucho>oddtod: do non-php pages work? Have you seen the classic "it works!" page already?
17:49<akayoshi>REGISTER hastwobrothers
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17:49<raph_ael>hi, is there a way to get a color boot like in arch or redhat ?
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17:51<oddtod>groucho: yeah i'm actually just modifying the 'it works' page
17:51<syonzet>hello every1
17:51<syonzet>hw bout that?
17:51<syonzet>is work?
17:53<groucho>oddtod: what happened with the wget test?
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17:54<oddtod>grocho how do i test php with wget just wget http://localhost ?
17:54<groucho>oddtod: no, unless there is an index.php in the default doccument root
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17:55<groucho>oddtod: put the url of whatever piece of php code you want displayed in your browser
17:56<groucho>oddtod: wget http://localhost, would just show the "it works" page
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17:56<groucho>well, not showing it actually... downloading it
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18:00<groucho>oddtod: put a php file in /var/www/ named test.php and the do wget http://localhost/test.php
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18:00<groucho>oddtod: but you surely already have somo php code somewhere installed.. otherwise,how have you concluded it didn't work?
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18:04<oddtod>groucho: sorry to waste your time. I'm a jackass you lead me to the solution.
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18:04<oddtod>groucho: i was putting the PHP code in an HTML file doh!
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18:06<groucho>oddtod: ah, that's why it worked as if the code was not there...
18:06<oddtod>groucho: yeah its been a while since i coded php. fail
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18:12<cl>hai you ren ya
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18:36<jhutchins>oddtod: That's what friends are for.
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19:10<LoDx>hello, i would need some support on file and folder ownership, i wish to make all new files that is created in a specific folder get a specific ownership automaticly, is that possible?
19:11<jgoppert>chmod g+s
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19:12<jgoppert>that sets the group to sticky, or the owner sticky etc. chmod u+x
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19:13<jgoppert>chmod u+s
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19:16<LoDx>im a newbie on linux so just to clearify, executing chmod u-s ./ would make all new files in the current folder get the same owner as the folder?
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19:20<LoDx>chmod u+s ./
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19:26<LoDx>if the owner of /home/joe is 'joe', i would like all files and folders created in /home/joe get the owner 'joe' automaticly
19:28<jgoppert>chown joe /home/joe; chmod u+s /home/joe
19:28<jgoppert>and to clean up whats already there, chown -R joe /home/joe/*
19:29<jgoppert>or chown -R joe /home/joe would be better
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19:32<LoDx>thank you very much
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19:33<LoDx>i tried to create a file in that folder but the owner of the file is not joe, it is the currently logged in user
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19:47<ottoshmidt>what is called a program that saves history of copied text strings
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19:51<jmarsden>ottoshmidt: a clipboard history utility? Try apt-cache search clipboard history
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19:51<bremner>parcellite seemed ok when I tried it
19:51<bremner>ottoshmidt: ^
19:53<ottoshmidt>tank iu :)
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21:40<Aleric>I wasted my whole day trying to get flash to work... it is IMPOSSIBLE
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21:43<NickyP>Aleric: Hi same here. No clean way to get flash
21:44<Aleric>Hey NickyP :)
21:44<Aleric>Not just not clean, completely impossible.
21:45<NickyP>I need to grow my /var partition. chroot grew to big
21:45<Aleric>If I would run into adobe's ceo on the street I'd punch him in the face. Fucking moron assholes to just rip 64bit support and then leave it like that. They just don't care about 64bit, nobody does.
21:46<NickyP>did you probe ubunta?
21:46<Aleric>I don't want to run it in a chroot: iceweasel starts applications like mplayer, azureus, etc, and then I'm not even talking about saving a file! No way I want that all to happen in a 32-bit chroot.
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21:47<NickyP>i think there is a how to there
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21:47<NickyP>a bit above my head
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21:49<blarson>Aleric: If you don't like the support avialable with non-free software, don't use it.
21:49<Aleric>blarson: There is no alternative wise guy
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21:50<NickyP>Aleric: did you look at this
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21:51<Aleric>NickyP: I tried mozilla-plugin-gnash
21:51<Aleric>didn't work
21:51<jgoppert>when i'm trying to install my manpages i'm getting this error premake.1: No such file or directory at /usr/bin/dh_installman line 127., whats the problem?
21:52<jgoppert>premake.manpages looks like this: premake.1
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21:55<jgoppert>guess i needed debian/premake.1
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21:56<jgoppert>W: premake: manpage-has-bad-whatis-entry usr/share/man/man1/premake.1.gz ???
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22:36<jhutchins>jgoppert: Which release? How are you installing the manpages?
22:37<jgoppert>i found the error, just had to make a name section
22:38<jgoppert>ended up using manedit, wasn't too horrible, packaging using pbuilder on lenny for sid
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23:36<Alex__>Hey, I'm having two problems, but I'm trying enough new things all at once, I'm having a little difficulty tracking down where it stems... 1. The KDE window manager sometimes is just a gray box, changing focus to another window and back fixes it. Trying to figure out if this is a bug, or possibly a problem with my ATI drivers (10.7) (KDE 4.4.5)
23:37<mario__>im having troubles with my wireless connection
23:38<Alex__>2. A .mov video with SVG-3 video encoding won't play on VLC, Kaffine, or MPlayer, but it will with ffplay. I'm wondering if this is somehow an ffmpeg integration bug, as Audacity won't use the ffmpeg I have either.
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23:41<Zokudu>whats the issue with the wireless?
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23:46<mario__>Zokudu: it stops working
23:46<mario__>Zokudu: apparently its a know bug but i dont know what to do
23:46<mario__>Zokudu: i'm using ath5k
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23:52<mario__>can anyone help
23:52<mario__>with getting the ath5k driver to work properly
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23:54<Zokudu>So I'm having an issue running wow from within wine on my debian install
23:54<Zokudu>and I was just in the winehq irc looking for some help
23:54<Zokudu>and one of the guys said I need the same version of 32 bit libgl as the 64 bit one what does that mean
23:55<Alex__>Are you running 64-bit Debian?
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23:59<Alex__>Then you will need to get the 32bit version of the library libgl :P
23:59<mario__>i need help
23:59<mario__>the ath5k drivers doesnt work properly
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