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00:16<kichimi>okay quick question
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00:17<kichimi>im trying to install php5-mcrypt, but it depends on php5-common, but i already have php5-common
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00:17<kichimi>hold on while i pastebin the output for apt-get install php5-mcrypt
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00:18<kichimi>any help will be appriciated, a google search didnt help at all
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00:23<kop>kichimi: What version of debian? Did you do an aptitude update first? See: /msg dpkg why aptitude
00:24<kichimi> /msg dpkg why aptitude
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00:24<kichimi>okay you've won me over to aptitude there
00:24<kichimi>i did apt-get update
00:25<kop>kichimi: And what version of debian?
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00:25<kop>kichimi: Have you done an aptitude safe-upgrade lately?
00:25<kichimi>i have never done it
00:25<kichimi>now i have
00:25<kop>kichimi: Do that, then try again. You're running old stuff.
00:25<kichimi>nothing was upgraded
00:26<kichimi>0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
00:26<kop>kichimi: cat /etc/debian_version says 5.0.5, right?
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00:27<kichimi>i've been having alot of problems with apt and dpkg recently
00:28<kop>kichimi: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list
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00:30<kichimi>note, im not the only person with root access to this server, so im not sure what has been done to this server
00:30<kop>,versions php5-common
00:30<judd>php5-common -- etch: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16; etch-security: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16; lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny8; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9; sid: 5.3.2-2; squeeze: 5.3.2-2; experimental: 5.3.3-1
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00:33<kop>kichimi: I'd say someone has been installing php5-common from sid. It looks like 5.3.3-0.dotdeb.0 is a sid-ish version. Or a non-debian version. I've no clue why it wants to install that given your sources.list.
00:34<kichimi>kop: how do i check a version of a package i have installed?
00:34<kop>kichimi: aptitude show foo
00:34<kichimi>Version: 5.3.3-0.dotdeb.0
00:35<kichimi>so its from that dotdeb respiritory
00:35<kichimi>so in theory
00:35<kop>kichimi: So, that should not be installed. What dotdeb repository? What's that?
00:35<kichimi>its just a remove install jobby
00:35<kichimi>if you look in my sources.list
00:35<kichimi>you'll see an entry for dotdeb
00:35<kichimi>i did remember seeing it a few weeks ago
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00:36<kichimi>and php5-mcrypt is installed!
00:36<kop>kichimi: Ah. Very ungood, in that you're not running debian any more and who knows what's happening. Also, there's no reason to have etch-backports there.
00:37*kichimi comments out
00:37<kop>kichimi: That sort of messing about will either break your system forever or requires someone who _really_ knows what they're doing. I've no idea if anyone in the latter category even exists.
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00:37<kichimi>they dont, i'm the smartest person who manages this server which is why i am fixing it
00:38<kichimi>and i'm not that good
00:38<kichimi>which is why i am here
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00:39<kichimi>kop: thank you for your help
00:39<kop>kichimi: Which is why you don't want to mix debian releases. Better to make your own backports if necessary. There's factoids here.
00:41<kichimi>well i think it was the dotdeb thing that messed everything up, but mixing releases is never a good idea i agree
00:41<kichimi>well i know it was, the version i had installed was from the dotdeb release
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00:42<jpinx-eeepc>kichimi: I suggest you comment out all the non-official repos and do update safe-upgrade
00:42<jpinx-eeepc>kichimi: and allow aptitude to remove the nin-official stuff, which you can then replace with the real ones;)
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00:43<kichimi>will do
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00:44<jpinx-eeepc>kichimi: you might break some packages temporarily
00:44<kichimi>jpinx-eeepc: but isnt that what linux is about :P
00:44<jpinx-eeepc>kichimi: ok - then you're ready for it ;)
00:45<kichimi>i've been ready since 2006 when i installed fedora core 4 on my first pc
00:45<jpinx-eeepc>kichimi: please use aptitude - not apt-get and use safe-upgrade and then full-upgrade
00:45<kichimi>if aptitude is so good
00:45<kichimi>then why is apt-get still included?
00:45<kichimi>and why doesnt apt-get have the same capabilitys as aptitude?
00:46<kichimi>i did wonder what the difference was, i thought aptitude just had a ncurses interface
00:46<jpinx-eeepc>kichimi: and take out those old references to etch/etch-backports, etc - see if you can get a pure lenny to start with
00:46<kichimi>jpinx-eeepc: i have done
00:46<jpinx-eeepc>!why aptitude
00:46<kop>kichimi: Some prefer apt-get, and backwards compatibility would break if it was removed.
00:46<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>).
00:46<jpinx-eeepc>kichimi: ↑↑
00:46<kichimi>i guess so
00:47<kop>kichimi: They have separate authors, and are competing in some sense. So they get better. Aptitude has been recommended since etch IIRC.
00:47<jpinx-eeepc>kichimi: you might have to run aptitude full-upgrade a few times to let it sort out dependencies
00:47<kichimi>according to aptitude nothing needs upgrading
00:47<kop>kichimi: Some programmer may want something in the new php, and have used it, so some app may break when you downgrade. :-/
00:48<jpinx-eeepc>kichimi: downgrading is really not a sensible option ;)
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00:48<kichimi>kop: oh well
00:48<kichimi>jpinx-eeepc: yes
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00:48<jpinx-eeepc>kichimi: you can use backports for lenny or even do a ssb
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00:49<dpkg>PHP is a scripting language. To install, ask me about <install php>. See also <php5>, <php4 security>, <php wants me to download still>, <php mysql>, <xampp>, <phpmyadmin>, <php gd>. #php on, #php and ##php on
00:49<kichimi>well i dont need it, but whoever decided to put the backports entry in there clearly didnt read wherever they got that line from properly
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00:49<kichimi>if i had my way, everything would be logged in a wiki but apparently 'thats going too far'
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00:50<kichimi>if everything was logged in a wiki i'd know exactly where problems started and what caused them
00:50*jpinx-eeepc notes kichimi passing the buck ;)
00:50<kop>jpinx-eeepc: He has already had to remove a newer version and re-install from stock repos. Who knows what else is on his box?
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00:50<kichimi>kop: i had issues with mysql, where mysql-server-5.0 referred to mysql-server-5.1, and vice vera
00:51<kichimi>i'm not sure how i managed to fix that
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00:51<jpinx-eeepc>with a hammer? ;)
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00:51<kichimi>well if i had physical access to the server it would have been a hammer
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00:52<kichimi>debian does my head in sometimes
00:52<kichimi>i'm splashing out to other distros atm
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00:52<kop>kichimi: I wonder if you could list everything installed and, in test mode, try to re-install, and if that would get errors on the stuff that's not stock?
00:53<kichimi>kop: test mode?
00:53<kichimi>i didnt know such a mode existed
00:53<kop>kichimi: Debian's really simple if you install only from the debian repos. Anything not in the man/info pages is in /usr/share/doc/<foo>/README.Debian
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00:54<kichimi>i lold
00:54<kop>kichimi: I'm not sure that there is a test mode. You could probably fake it with a download-only mode though.
00:54<kichimi>kop: or i could take a full system backup
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00:54<kichimi>while nobodys using it
00:54<kop>kichimi: That's what lvm snapshots are for. (Along with db dump programs.)
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00:56<kichimi>kop: one thing that pissed me off with debian
00:56<kichimi>is that i tried to install KDE4 in a vm on my machine here
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00:56<kichimi>it seems KDE4 isnt even in the official repos
00:56<kichimi>i just get 3.5
00:57<kop>,versions kde
00:57<judd>kde -- etch: 5:47; lenny: 5:48
00:57<kop>kichimi: That's the thing about stable, it does not change.
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00:58<kop>kichimi: I mostly work with stable, so can't say if it's in testing. I'd guess so, but judd is not helping with the versions.
00:59<kop>atrus: Yeah, but what's the package name?
00:59<atrus>anything that's in kde, i suppose? i don't use kde myself.
01:00<atrus>kdm for example, stable has 3.5.9, testing and unstable have 4.4.5
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01:01<kop>atrus: Ok, so you proably need testing for kde4.
01:01<kop>kichimi: The good thing about debian is that it upgrades. Follow the release notes and vola! no re-install necessary. You can even keep the system up and running (for the most part).
01:01<atrus>testing will become stable in... probably another 6 months or so, if past patterns hold.
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01:02<kop>atrus: I give it 9 months. There's more packages now.
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01:02<atrus>should also be more dds, maintainers, etc.... i hope :)
01:02<kichimi>atrus: considering kde4 came out in 2007
01:03<kichimi>thats a bit disgusting that its taken this long to make it to the stable repo
01:03<kichimi>erm, 2008
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01:03<kop>dpkg seems broken
01:03<atrus>kichimi: right, but look when debian stable was last released. it was a long time ago, and they had to have something that was proven to be stable for some time before they'd even let it into stable.
01:04<jm_>right so try to help debian instead of whining
01:04<atrus>kichimi: if you want the latest and greatest (at the sacrifice of stability and upstream consistency), you probably want ubuntu.
01:04<kop>kichimi: First they freeze. If it's not in by then it does not go in stable, so. It's many months old before it goes stable. Then we wait for the next release.
01:04<kichimi>atrus: ubuntu doesnt deserve to be on a server, its bloatware, desktops maybe
01:04<atrus>frankly, that's what i do... but i've been pondering switching back to debian testing.
01:05<atrus>kichimi: why would you care about having the latest kde on a server?
01:05<atrus>or even semi-recent. or kde at all...
01:05<kichimi>atrus: home machine, i was just interested to see what it was like
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01:05<kop>I just suck it up and wait.
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01:05<kichimi>i wasnt complaining
01:05<kichimi>its just
01:05<kichimi>a bit odd
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01:06*kop wonders who to tell about dpkg
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01:07<kop>kichimi: They just froze squeeze, so we're toward the end of the cycle of stable getting stale.
01:07<happyaron>my alt-tab does not working, can you help me to figure out what's wrong?
01:08<kichimi>kop: this makes me feel old, i remember debian 3
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01:14<mib_11sc7k>I am trying to install Debian from network install on a Acer ao 532h netbook, but I cant get the install to see the internal wireless
01:14<jm_>using wireless for installation usually involves a lot of pain ...
01:15<mib_11sc7k>Well when I use "testing" i can get to the grub install but it wont install grub 2 or grub 1
01:16<jm_>try to install it manually
01:16<mib_11sc7k>I don't know how
01:16<kop>!tell mib_11sc7k about kmuto
01:16<kop>jm_: Yes. Broken.
01:17<kop>jm_: dpkg is working on freenode....
01:17<jm_>well just switch to a tty with shell prompt, chroot into /, mount /proc, make sure /dev is available and run grub-install
01:18<mib_11sc7k>Where do i use !fixmbr?
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01:20<kop>mib_11sc7k: That's an attempt to talk to the bot.
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01:20<mib_11sc7k>What's kmuto?
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01:24<mib_11sc7k>is that the right place?
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01:26<mib_11sc7k>I totaly got rid of windows.
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01:35<TC4596>Hello, I want to get off debian on DVD, but that architecture is not one that corresponds to my notebook. I have an HP nx6320 Intel ® Core ™ 2 Duo processor 667-MHz FSB, 2 MB L2 cache-T5500 † (1.66-GHz), T5600 † (1.83-GHz)
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01:36<mib_11sc7k>i think it would be i386
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01:41<devil>it can be amd64 as well
01:41<TC4596>the dvd come with lxde and xfce?
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01:42<mib_11sc7k>Those are desktop guis
01:42<TC4596>[ devil ] l processor is intel not amd
01:42<devil>TC4596: thats ok
01:43<devil>it runs on intel as well
01:43<mib_11sc7k>i heard of xfce but never seen the other one
01:43<devil>lxde is more lightweight
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01:44<mib_11sc7k>the gui i like the most is blackbox
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01:45<KID_GNU>register sua.senha
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01:45<ananth123>can anyone help me with my sound ?? whenever i reboot, the settings get messed up and i hear only static when an audio file is played. if i reboot to windows and boot back into linux, it plays fine. any ideas ?
01:45<TC4596>I can see the packages that bring the DVD image?
01:46<mib_11sc7k>TC4596: what are you trying to get at?
01:48<TC4596>[ mib_11sc7k ] I know that image out packets that need to install my wireless card.
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01:56<jm_>TC4596: apparently you can't, but yes, it's possible
01:56<jm_> or look in the .jigdo files
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02:07<markus>Can somone help me with some microphone/sound related stuff on linux?
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02:13<jpinx-eeepc>markus: /msg dpkg alsa
02:13<markus>Im lookin for a program or , to make like mic mute nd not :) and play musick on the mic channel in flash chat etc. anny help would realy Realy ty ;)
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02:14<markus>ok, but maybee I can read about alsa ;) ty ,(and there is mayby config options in it rigth?
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02:15<jpinx-eeepc>markus: read all about it - you can adjust your settings there
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02:17<markus>you are realy helpfull man! :) maybee i can get it working some day :) he
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03:51<kie27>greetings all, am trying to use the squeeze amd64 netinstall on my new computer, (am running squeeze on my laptop). The problem is it freezes when it gets to language detection, or at least I am guessing that it can no longer detect the keyboard, am using a wired USB apple keyboard. Help please.
03:52<kie27>i mean language selection
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03:53<hake>What is the best/recommended way to use a python module if there's no official debian package? i don't need it system-wide, just for one user
03:54<hake>this is the module i want to use:
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04:59<luser>quicky - can I get openssh's sshd listening of port 22 on 192.168.* but port 2222 on the external IP address?
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05:04<kenyon>luser: yes, see ListenAddress in sshd_config(5)
05:05<llutz>luser: and Port xxx
05:05<luser>Aha - none of the webpages google found mentioned the ``ListenAddress host|IPv4_addr:port
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05:05<luser>many thanks
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05:08<luser>ah - but what if my external IP address is from DHCP?
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05:15<luser>I can get it to work, but it listens to both ports internally, which ain't a disaster I guess
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05:15<felixs>luser: block the unwanted ports using iptables.
05:16<felixs>luser: but tell me about a clean solution if you find any :)
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05:17<luser>felixs: I'd rather have such customisation in only one place, so will survive with 2222 open internally
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05:18<luser>The only reason I want to move away from port 22 is to prevent dictionary attacks from the outside world
05:18<RattusWorkus>hi all. If I want to stream video from a debian box (multicast UDP) what packages / standards should I be looking at?
05:18<luser>but it would be nice if all internal ssh's worked without any '-p'
05:19<jpinx-eeepc>luser: look for the ports list (google) and you'll see what's accepted widely
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05:20<felixs>luser: yes, having sshd on port 22 is more convenient. but theres no need for -p if you set things in ~/.ssh/config
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05:21<luser>felixs: don't want to force these things onto all my local users
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05:24<felixs>luser: now that i think about it: you could let listen sshd to port 22 *only* and fix the from-outside thing using iptables
05:24<luser>felixs: that would be possible, I'm sure, but I sux at iptables!
05:25<felixs>luser: iirc a line like iptables -A PREROUTING -i ppp0 --state NEW -p tcp --dport 2222 -j DNAT --to localhost:22 should do the trick
05:26<felixs>given you are using ppp...
05:26<felixs>and i forgot about the "-m state"
05:26<luser>no ppp, all eth
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05:29<RichiH>is KVM the virtualization that's in vanilla kernel? /me seems to remember there is one and it should be KVM
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05:31<RichiH>petemc: and it's the only one?
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05:40<luser>gf 2 me: "but iptables is black magic". me 2 gf: "it's OK, some guy on the internet had given me a command line I should type in as root!"
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05:43<luser>felixs: hmmm, looks like I messed up the line: /sbin/iptables -A PREROUTING -i eth0 --dport 2222 -m state --state NEW -p tcp -j DNAT --to localhost:22
05:43<luser>iptables v1.4.2: Unknown arg `(null)'
05:45<luser>oooh, moving -p before --dport changes the error...
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05:47<luser>felixs: replacing localhost with leads me to ``iptables: No chain/target/match by that name
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05:47<petemc>iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 333 -j DNAT --to , is a rule i use to forward port 333 to an internal hosts ssh port
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05:51<luser>petemc: I'll give something more like that a go. I last tried: iptables -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 2222 -m state --state NEW -j DNAT --to
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05:54<luser>hmmm ssh's in from the outside now seem to lock up
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06:07<luser>petemc: dunno why, but I can't get that to work. I'll return to the old sshd ListenAddress technique
06:08<felixs>luser: maybe thats because your sshd isnt listening to lo (is it?) so you might want to replace localhost with your local ethernet address ...
06:09<luser>felixs: I added a localhost ListenAddress. I'll try your suggestion...
06:09<luser>ug - how do I remove a rule from iptables?
06:09<felixs>i'd be interested if it works, but dont waste your time ;)
06:09<felixs>iptables -L --line-numbers
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06:10<felixs>then iptables -D <number>
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06:10<felixs>erm iptables -D <chain> <number>
06:10<luser>I can't see the rule in the output of -L!
06:11<felixs>luser add -t nat
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06:11<felixs>the default for -t is "filter"
06:12<luser>iptables -t nat PREROUTING -D 1
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06:12<luser>Bad argument `PREROUTING'
06:13<felixs>-D PREROUTING 1
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06:16<felixs>luser: the -D or the whole thing?
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06:16<luser>whole thing!
06:18<felixs>... so theres another thing i want to add to my router config
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06:36<njm>Hey Guys, hope you can help. I need the number of files in each directory in a directory tree /var/spool/mail to determine which mailboxes has the most number of emails in them?
06:38<luser>njm exact - or approximate?
06:38<avu>for d in *(/); do echo $d; find $d -type f | perl -nle '$i++;END{print$i}'; done # for example (and for zsh of course ;))
06:38<CutMeOwnThroat>something like... for box in *; do echo -n $box; find $box -type f |wc -l; done
06:38<avu>oh yes
06:38<avu>cut that perl crap and put wc -l there :)
06:38<avu>what was I thinking
06:38<CutMeOwnThroat>still fails for files with newlines...
06:38<locklace>avu: why in hell would you start with zsh and then call find(1)
06:39<luser>Just the 'size' of a directory might be enough if you only need approximate info
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06:40<avu>CutMeOwnThroat, right, -print0 and perl -0 then :)
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06:40<avu>locklace, why build the -0 solution with zsh.. :)
06:40<CutMeOwnThroat>avu, and you realize that what you did there looks like awk...
06:41<avu>I don't use awk and don't know why anyone would
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06:41<avu>there are countless incompatible versions of awk around and for all good measures only one perl
06:41<CutMeOwnThroat>I don't know why you'd use perl when you write an awk script anyway :)
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06:41<avu>see above :)
06:42<luser>phil@geespaz:phil$ ls -ld .
06:42<luser>drwxr-sr-x 77 phil phil 12288 Aug 11 22:11 .
06:42<luser>phil@geespaz:phil$ ls -al | grep -c ^d
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06:42<luser>Ah, you're not interested in the number of subdirs, only the number of files.
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06:43<luser>In which case, the size in blocks of the directory is a granular estimate
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06:47<njm>Yes, only the number of files which would give me an indication of how many emails are in the mailbox...
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06:49<luser>njm - try this function on various directories: function dirsize { ls -ld $1; ls -a $1 | wc; }
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06:49<luser>njm - e.g. my home directory with 206 files is of size 12288, and /tmp with only 22 files is of size 4096
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06:51<njm>I basically need something that does the same as the du command only difference is that it must show me the number of files within each directory instead of the size of each directory
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06:52<avu>njm, you've been shown working solutions..
06:52<njm>I'm sorry but I am a bit of a newbie...
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06:52<njm>How do I use a function for example?
06:53<luser>$ dirsize /home/phil/
06:53<luser>drwxr-sr-x 77 phil phil 12288 Aug 11 22:11 /home/phil/
06:53<luser> 206 206 2255
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06:53<luser>njm - however, if you're recursing, then the above size is useless.
06:54<luser>you'll need to use find.
06:54<GobBLUTH>Hi, I'm trying to install Deb5 on a Dell R710, install is fine and the RAID disk is seen as /dev/sdc, upon boot the system then starts seeing it as /dev/sda and won't attach. Also, the disks are encrypted, and it reports: cryptsetup: source device /dev/sdcX not found ... I already edited /etc/crypttab
06:55<njm>Yes, that is the whole issue so far - doing it recursively
06:56<njm>That's what the du command does so nicely except that it shows the size instead of the number of files...
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06:57<luser>working on something...
06:57<locklace>!tell GobBLUTH about uuid
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06:59<njm>Thanx so much for taking the time luser
07:00<luser>njm: $ find /home/phil/projects/net/ | sed 's@/home/phil/projects/net/\([^/]*\).*@\1@' | uniq -c
07:00<luser>you'll need to replace /home/phil/projects/net/ with /var/mail/ or whatever
07:01<GobBLUTH>wait, can somebody explain? i'msupposed to use the uuid in all the pointers to the drive?
07:01<GobBLUTH>how do i know what drive is what in uuid ?
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07:03<luser>njm - basically that finds every file, and throws away the bits of the path that you're not interested in, and then tallies the number of matches for each path you are interested in
07:05<njm>luser - that's perfect! Well almost. My next problem is that my I've got a second level under /var/spool/mail
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07:05<njm>luser - like this: /var/spool/mail/ja/jaco
07:06<njm>luser - so now it only shows me the totals for example: /var/spool/mail/ja instead of /var/spool/mail/ja/mailboxes
07:07<luser>$ find /var/spool/mail/ | sed 's@/var/spool/mail/\([^/]*/[^/]*\).*@\1@' | uniq -c
07:07<luser>BUt that's getting kludgy
07:07<luser>CutMeOwnThroat's method was best
07:07<njm>luser - Awesome!
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07:08<njm>You really helped me out big time!
07:08<luser>cd /var/spool/mail; for box in */*; do echo -n $box; find $box -type f -ls | wc -l; done
07:08<E-bola>Is there any command that will show me all the packages installed from a specific mirror? I have a backport repository in my sources.list and im wondering if any packages are installed from it
07:09<luser>I added '-ls' to the find in the vain hope that it escapes newlines in file names
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07:10<gsimmons>dpkg: tell E-bola -about bpo list
07:10<E-bola>Cool thanks
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07:11<CutMeOwnThroat>you're still at it!
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07:11<AzaToth>perhaps anyone can help me, for some weeks ago my internal 'AC'97 Audio Controller' disappeared from /proc/asound/cards
07:12<luser>njm - looks like -ls is unnecessary, find already escapes dodgy characters
07:12<AzaToth>I usually used it for my headset, and I have no clue why it's gone
07:13<AzaToth>it's visiable under lspci
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07:13<AzaToth>anyone has some good pointers where I might find information?
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07:13<AzaToth>regarding the issue at hand
07:14<CutMeOwnThroat>njm, I don't see why being a newbie would prevent you from copying working solutions to your shell...
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07:14<locklace>AzaToth: paste output of lspci -knn, uname -a, cat /proc/asound/cards, lsb_release -a and dmesg at
07:14<CutMeOwnThroat>hm, there was a space missing in what I wrote...
07:14<CutMeOwnThroat>for box in *; do echo -n "$box "; find $box -type f |wc -l; done
07:15<CutMeOwnThroat>after you cd /var/mail or whatever
07:16<luser>^--- use this method
07:16<CutMeOwnThroat>!tell AzaToth -about alsa checklist
07:16<luser>felixs: petemc: I think I captured most stuff here:
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07:20<AzaToth>CutMeOwnThroat: the only thing on that checklist would be the oss module, but that makes no sense imo
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07:20<luser>Asked one, answered one - time for lunch. Cheerio dudes, and thanks!
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07:24<locklace>AzaToth: is snd-intel8x0 loaded? what happens if you modprobe it
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07:24<GobBLUTH>tell GobBLUTH uuid
07:24<GobBLUTH>dpkg: tell GobBLUTH uuid
07:24<locklace>!tell GobBLUTH about uuid
07:24<locklace>!tell GobBLUTH about selftell
07:25<AzaToth>snd_intel8x0 is loaded per lsmod
07:25<locklace>AzaToth: try removing and reprobing it and check dmesg|tail
07:27<AzaToth>dmesg is silent
07:27<AzaToth>but syslog spits out:
07:27<AzaToth>Aug 19 13:26:49 azabox kernel: [ 5749.194459] cannot find the slot for index 1 (range 0-1), error: -16 Aug 19 13:26:49 azabox kernel: [ 5749.194469] Intel ICH: probe of 0000:00:1e.2 failed with error -16
07:27<locklace>that's the problem then
07:27<AzaToth>but what is the problem actually?
07:27<locklace>who knows? when did it stop working
07:27<locklace>on a kernel upgrade, i'm guessing
07:28<locklace>try a different kernel
07:28<AzaToth>either that or after I installed a webcam
07:28<AzaToth>the error message doesn't tell me nothing
07:29<locklace>try the .35 kernel package in experimental as a test
07:29<GobBLUTH>i understand uuid, but am i supposed to manually change all the entries to be uuid for my new debian install?
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07:30<locklace>GobBLUTH: if necessary
07:30<GobBLUTH>is this a bug with deb5+encrypted drives
07:30<locklace>it's pretty common that device ids change around these days
07:30<GobBLUTH>i'm not sure if i did something wrong or what
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07:31<AzaToth>the dreadful Ctrl + Alt + Backspace...
07:31<AzaToth>happens twive a year
07:31<AzaToth>a goode reminder to have control over your fingers
07:31<locklace>AzaToth: try booting the kernel from squeeze or the .35 one from experimental
07:32<njm>My apologies CutMeOwnThroat - just tested some of your solutions and they work quite nicely
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07:32<AzaToth>I try
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07:32<AzaToth>got pretty much headake trying to figure out the new grub thingi
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07:37<markus> nn4-b67
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07:38<GobBLUTH>okay, another related problem, i'm trying to load up the repair boot and it's not able to find the encrypted disks ... it just keeps prompting for /dev/sdcX andnot /dev/mapper/sdc2_crypt etc
07:38<locklace>AzaToth: ok, actually looks like the issue is some dumb alsa card-ordering thing that probably happened when you put in the webcam which took over index 1 in the /proc/asound/cards list
07:38<GobBLUTH>stupidly enough, ubuntu desktop can find it
07:39<AzaToth>locklace: strange
07:39<GobBLUTH>do i have to insmod dmcrypt?
07:39<AzaToth>locklace: I remember both the webcan and the intel worked first time together
07:39<locklace>AzaToth: are you using the audigy card in index 0
07:40<AzaToth>using using..
07:40<AzaToth>I don't think I have no specific system wide config for it
07:40<AzaToth>it is what it always been
07:41<AzaToth>/etc/alsa is empty
07:41<locklace>check the modprobe config for the intel card for any index= settings and if there is no config, add somethig like an index=0
07:41<AzaToth>that old one
07:41<AzaToth>now I r emember
07:42<locklace>yeah that's the issue
07:42<AzaToth>what do you recommend?
07:42<AzaToth>remve them or set snd_usb_audio to 1 or 2?
07:42<locklace>set the webcam audio modprobe to index=2
07:45<njm>CutMeOwnThroat - Ok, you're script works great but can you help me just a little bit more please? I just want to sort the results and display the top 10?
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07:45<jm_>njm: man head sort
07:46<jm_>or 'man tail' for that matter
07:47<njm>The problem is that way it outputs, I'll have to get that right first: bi/bizhub/cur/15
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07:48<njm>instead of 15 bi/bizhub/cur/
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07:49<frnet>Hi all.
07:49<frnet>I'm having X issues.
07:50<frnet>When I try a startx as unprivileged user, I got the following message : "No protocol specified" like 200 times (during 4 minutes) and then xinit gives up. Here is the console log :
07:51<frnet>But it works when I do the startx as root.
07:51<frnet> doesn't contain much more information. So I don't really know what to do.
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07:51<frnet>Can anyone help me with this ?
07:54<locklace>frnet: do you have an xorg.conf? pastebin the output of ls -laR /tmp/.X* and the contents of Xorg.1.log
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08:00<AzaToth>thanks for the help
08:01<AzaToth>and yes I know, I'm ashamed using an old Dell
08:01<locklace>!congratulate AzaToth
08:01<dpkg>Yay AzaToth, you did it!
08:01<AzaToth>think I started with woody on this one
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08:04<frnet>locklace: Here is my xorg.conf : the ls: and right now I only have Xorg.0.log (I rmed /var/log/Xorg.* earlier to avoid confusing the log files)
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08:10<locklace>frnet: need to see the full log from the startx attempt whatever it's called. do you have any .Xauthority* files in ~
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08:19<frnet>locklace: ok here is the full log:
08:19<frnet>And yes, I do have a .Xauthority, as unprivileged user and as root.
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08:24<twb>When booting without "quiet", you get both noise from the kernel and noise from init processes.
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08:24<twb>Is there a way to suppress the former but still see the latter?
08:25<locklace>frnet: remove the Xauthority files and try again
08:25<felixs>twb: maybe init="/sbin/init > /dev/null" (or similar)
08:26<locklace>twb: i thought quiet only applied to kernel messages, seeing as how it's a kernel option
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08:26<frnet>locklace: unfortunately, this doesn't work :/ (I already tried this before, and it didn't work either).
08:27<locklace>frnet: how about after an xhost +localhost
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08:28<locklace>there's some really brain-dead stuff in the x startup script logic
08:29<twb>Hmm, maybe I'm thinking of ubuntu where both care about quiet
08:30<twb>No, everything in the ramdisk honours quiet on the command line
08:30<twb>It's only when init starts that you start getting output
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08:31<locklace>by "init processes" i assumed you meant the stuff that happens after init starts
08:31<frnet>locklace: It doesn't seem to work:
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08:34<felixs>twb: put exec>/dev/null on top of /etc/init.d/rc (or whatever script makes noise)
08:35<twb>felixs: you miss the point
08:35<twb>I *want* to receive the output from initramfs-tools.
08:35<felixs>initramfstools runs before rc comes into play
08:35<twb>But if I omit "quiet", I get output from both it and the kernel, and the kernel's messages flood the screen so I can't debug the ramdisk
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08:35<felixs>ah ic
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08:37<locklace>twb: just a matter of changing the initramfs startup script to not parse the kernel commandline for "quiet"
08:38<twb>Or, I suppose, to have it start by setting printk in /proc/sys/
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08:41<frnet>So am I screwed up with my X configuration? How is that possible that X suddenly stops working for every user execpt for root? :(
08:42<locklace>frnet: something pretty basic is fucked up if it's not an Xauthority issue. did it ever work
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08:42<locklace>frnet: and what happens if you just run xinit or X directly
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08:44<frnet>locklace: Sure, I was using this laptop for ages.
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08:46<frnet>locklace: xinit starts what seems to be a failsafe session with a little term by itself. X write the same logs on the screen but doesn't seem to manage launching an X term.
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08:47<frnet>"xinit i3" gives starts a i3 session. That's a huge step already.
08:48<frnet>Thanks locklace.
08:48<locklace>yeah, the problem is with brain-dead startx script logic
08:48<frnet>But I still don't know why I can't use startx or xdm.
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08:48<locklace>i actually just use xinit myself anyway exactly because startx is so lame
08:48<felixs>frnet: what does /bin/sh point to?
08:49<jm_>did you verify if ownership of Xauthority is as it should be?
08:49<frnet>felixs: It points to /bin/dash
08:50<felixs>frnet: try bash
08:50<frnet>jm_: yes it's fine. It was deleted and recreated anyway.
08:50<locklace>felixs: if there are bashisms in startx i have a big fat lart ready with someone's name on it
08:51<frnet>felixs: It gives the same result with sh pointing to /bin/bash.
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08:52<sheldonh>we developed an i386-centric package building system on top of git-buildpackage and pbuilder. now we need to support amd64 too. i'm guessing we'll need an amd64 cow image too now?
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08:55<anurag>howcan i resolved , i am just talking about how could get connected via mobile phome modem as spice or samsung for internet access
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09:00<datacrusher>hello everyone. a few days later iv tossed a problem here that jobs on my root crontab uses different locales settings than my system, but didnt manage to fix this issue. Anyone can help me set the locales used by cron?
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09:01<@Ganneff>write LANG=whatever, LC_ALL=whatever in your crontab file in seperate lines at the top
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10:11<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
10:12<monitor>eai galera
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11:11<grummund>Hi, Any thoughts to which is preferred choice for an internet server running on a VPS with Intel Xeon CPU - Debian 4.0 or 5.0 & 32-bit or 64-bit ?
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11:11<jordanm>debian 4 is no longer supported
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11:12<grummund>good that rules out 2
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11:12<grummund>are there any disadvantages to 64-bit?
11:12<cthuluh>why not 64 bits? ask other users of the company
11:12<jordanm>grummund: i386 vs amd64 shouldn't make much difference unless you have > 3-4gb of RAM, then you will want amd64
11:13<jordanm>grummund: to a server, not really
11:13<grummund>it's 500MB RAM with burst to 1GB
11:13<jordanm>grummund: you might have issues with proprietary applications, if you plan to run them
11:13<jordanm>grummund: sounds like openvz, buy something else
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11:13<jordanm>openvz VPS's are crap when compared to xen offerings IMO
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11:15<grummund>well maybe, but it is what it is and i'm more interested to know if there's any advantage/disadvantage to 64-bit
11:15<jordanm>grummund: I doubt you are given a choice with openvz, since your basically a limited chroot running off the host's kernel
11:16<grummund>i do have a choice
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11:17<jordanm>grummund: with 500MB of ram, there really will be no advantages
11:17<grummund>i'll stick with 32-bit then
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11:28<bja>goodell: I've been researching quite some time about the ion window manager. I found the i3 package it seems to be a nice replacement
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11:31<bja>goodell: if you have squeeze just install the package if you have lenny you have to install some aditional libraries from squeeze but it seems it is an easy task. Everything ends up depending on libc6 (>= 2.2.5) so there is no fancy or bleeding edge stuff on this wm. I am checking the remaining dependencies just in case there is something extra.
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11:46<psych787>I'd prefer if some applications (eg. firefox) used swap sooner than forcing other applications (eg. plasma desktop) to swap. is there a way to do this?
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11:48<jordanm>psych787: no
11:48<psych787>That's quite unfortunate. Under windoze 2k3 this is possible with Windows System Resource Manager, why not linux?
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11:49<kooll>psych787: you could play on nice level, but it would be rather indirect
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11:49<psych787>Does nice level determine RAM priorities?
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11:50<kooll>psych787: all priorities. (mainly scheduler priorities, but the whole effects are a bit more subtle)
11:51<psych787>Hmm. With that in mind, perhaps it would be a good idea to change my priorities again. Still, is there anything with more control available?
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11:52<kooll>psych787: nothing easy. what do you really want to do, besides control swapping ? get better reaction times, or something like that ?
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11:53<psych787>Yes, better reaction times.
11:53<psych787>I'm tired of it taking 15 seconds or more just to open a menu on my plasma panel!
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11:54<jordanm>you could try using a desktop that you have enough ram to manage
11:54<jordanm>psych787: what version of debian?
11:54<kooll>psych787: you can also changes the scheduler level, beside niceness (depending of which scheduler is used by your system, there are 'scheduling classes' available, with levels and priorities)
11:54<psych787>And when some resource-intensive application like Eclipse starts fouling things up?
11:54<psych787>Debian testing.
11:55<kooll>psych787: see chrt
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11:56<psych787>kooll: I have been doing that with reniced. Unfortunately, even the fastest disks (3*150MB/s array) just can't handle unlimited duty.
11:56<kooll>psych787: get more ram, then :)
11:56<psych787>kooll: But shouldn't linux have some way of behaving deterministically for at least some applications?
11:57<kooll>see chrt. that would be (soft) realtime scheduling
11:57<kooll>chrt - manipulate real-time attributes of a process
11:57<psych787>But it still doesn't gurarntee that some applications (plasma-desktop) stay 100% in RAM and responsive!
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11:58<kooll>psych787: it can.
11:58<kooll>there are also various ways to lock apps in ram. But ....
11:58<kooll>seriously, first, consider getting more ram ;)
11:58<psych787>I'm always going to be out of ram. :|
11:58<kooll>putting the app in 'RT' scheduling class will force the system to try really hard to keep it responsive
11:58<psych787>All it takes is one unruly set of applications that I need, and I'm out of ram.
11:59<psych787>kooll: Its already in the realtime scheduling class.
11:59<kooll>(and, putting the 'bad' apps in some more relaxed class, or increasing niceness, will help too)
11:59<bja>psych787: It is time to look what is running inside your machine :)
11:59<psych787>What about wine these days too?
11:59<psych787>It typically has to load ~500MB each time it starts up!
11:59<bja>Getting rid of extra tty that are not needed will save some ram
11:59<jordanm>psych787: kde is very RAM intensive
12:00<bja>Making mysql not use so much ram is also a 100MB saver
12:00<kooll>bja: it's ... tiny in comparison :)
12:00<psych787>To put this into some context, picture this.
12:00<psych787>I use Notepad++ often, its a simple text editor.
12:00<jordanm>psych787: for windows?
12:00<psych787>When wine loads, it reads 500MB of data on the disk.
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12:01<bja>kooll: When you start adding up. Believe me the numbers are not so small
12:01<kooll>psych787: right. so, you use it outside of the windows env, and it needs to get the windows env first (which you have if you run notepad++ on windows)
12:01<psych787>At speeds of 20-150MB/s throughput (relatively slow due to high file count), this takes about 1.5 minutes.
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12:01<kooll>psych787: then keep it loaded, and hope that the useless parts get swapped out
12:01<bja>psych787: there is a way to configure vim to have the same output as notepad windows compatible and everything
12:02<psych787>kooll: They're not useless though. Ideally I'd like to just keep some RAM free so that stuff STAYS in RAM!!!
12:02<psych787>bja: Not notepad++.
12:02<psych787>And that's not the point.
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12:02<kooll>psych787: there are some useless parts. the 500MB loaded by wine aren't all needed to run notepad++
12:03<psych787>kooll: But they are needed for the next launch of notepad++. Which I don't want to take more than 5 seconds.
12:03<kooll>psych787: you are trying to apply the wrong solution to this problem
12:03<kooll>psych787: don't launch it *again*. reuse
12:03<kooll>or keep some wine app launched, to avoid startup time
12:03<psych787>That's not feasible.
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12:03<kooll>of course it is
12:03<psych787>Its yet another program specific fix.
12:03<bja>psych787: Well you are right. since i don't use notepad++ I suggest the three R's aproach, Reduce Reuse and recycle
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12:04<psych787>I have dozens of programs that misbehave. I want my linux system to work right. :|
12:04<kooll>psych787: then stop meddling with it.
12:04<ichdasic1>psych787: then get some ubuntu, stay with windows, buy some support contract at rhel... whatever
12:04<kooll>psych787: the more you try to force it the way you think it will work better, the more likely you are to be wrong and make things worse :)
12:05<kooll>psych787: or, understand it better, and listen to what I said. keep apps running, to avoid startup time
12:05<kooll>reading back from swap the useful parts, in particular for wine, is much faster than running a new app
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12:05<psych787>kooll: So its too much to ask for a few applications not to freeze up in the face of more greedy apps?
12:05<kooll>psych787: no. but what should the greedy app do, die ?
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12:06<psych787>kooll: It should be sent to swap.
12:06<psych787>Evil greedy jobs don't need lots of RAM. My desktop does.
12:06<kooll>psych787: it can't. if it's trying to get more ram, it's because it's active
12:06<kooll>and you can't swap out active apps
12:06<bja>psych787: Just for the sake of curiosity how much ram you have on the machine we talking about?
12:06<kooll>so, inactive ones are swapped out
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12:07<Elessar>On a simple desktop system, actively swapping at 2 GiB of physical memory is not normal.
12:07<psych787>Its not a simple desktop system.
12:07<Elessar>There is something wrong with a software.
12:07<kooll>well, wine+firefox, that's already easily 1GB
12:07<psych787>I typically use 1GB to swap.
12:08*Elessar typically uses 256 MiB of physical memory, zero swap.
12:08<bja>psych787: Can you paste a list of programs that you usually work with ?
12:08<kooll>psych787: so. here's a thing to try (mind you, some apps will not like not being able to get more useless ram for themselves) : echo 2 > /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_memory
12:09<ComradeHaz`>Hi all. I have been using IPmasq to share internet accross my home network but as you are doubtless aware it has now been pulled from the repo's as it is no longer maintained. As a result I am of course inclined to discontinue using it as a result. Truth is, ipmasq was only a temporary measure while I looked into finding some software that would alow me to control trafic to individual machines and / or prioritise certain port ranges etc. So my question is th
12:09<kooll>it will disable overcommit completely
12:09<retrospectacus>the obvious solution is don't use wine apps. The wine runtime uses tons of ram and cpu
12:09<quiritius>hi. i have no sound in flash movies (youtube) under squeeze 32-bit with iceweasel + flashplugin-nonfree. sound appears for ~0.25 sec and then disappears. everything is OK in chromium or opera though. any ideas?
12:09<Elessar>But if you have applications that are memory-intensive, either they are poorly coded and should be fixed, or they are really intensive with a reason, and the good way to deal with them would be to buy more memory.
12:09<petemc>ComradeHaz`: shorewall is popular
12:09<psych787>kooll: I already disabled that.
12:09<retrospectacus>quiritius: restart firefox
12:09<ComradeHaz`>thanks petemc , I'll check it out.
12:09<kooll>psych787: interesting. and still same behaviour ?
12:09<psych787>kooll: Yes.
12:10<kooll>I suppose you could ask to firefox to eat less ram one way or another... but ... well, it's greedy
12:10<psych787>It is *NOT* acceptable to me that one greedy application can slow down my entire system.
12:10<quiritius>retrospectacus: tried that as well as starting firefox right after boot-up. same thing all the time.
12:10<kooll>and wine doesn't play well either
12:10<Elessar>psych787: Then nice it to a low priority.
12:10<kooll>psych787: yup. correct memory management sucks
12:10<Elessar>psych787: Be careful, a low priority means a high nice level. :-)
12:10<psych787>Wine, Eclipse, Firefox, KDE4, and OpenOffice are some of the memory intensive apps I use.
12:10<psych787>Elessar: I'm not a newb.
12:11<kooll>right. So, you would really need more ram
12:11<retrospectacus>quiritius: well try upgrading things, I had that problem a long time ago
12:11<psych787>kooll: Exactly my thinking. Now how can I make it suck less :'(
12:11<kooll>5 different whole systems loading the same kind of thing, but each his own version :)
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12:11<kooll>windows, java, gtk, kde, and OOo is its own system too :)
12:12<kooll>really not a lot of common libs for all that
12:12<quiritius>retrospectacus: you mean upgrading FF? it is squeeze and i would not like to have a mixed system. at least not until release.
12:12<kooll>so, a lot of ram needed
12:12<psych787>Still though, I don't care much about any of those being responsive except my desktop!
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12:13<kooll>psych787: well, renice them to 20, and see how things go
12:13<kooll>but they will all be awfully slow :)
12:13<psych787>kooll: I already have them reniced to 1.
12:13<kooll>1 won't make a big diff. try at least 5
12:13<kooll>also, their might be some other hidden bottleneck
12:13<psych787>With my desktop at realtime priorities, I'd think it would...
12:14<kooll>psych787: well, what is reacting slowly ?
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12:15<kooll>there are many other process involved in your desktop
12:15<kooll>the first I would consider would probably be xorg
12:15<psych787>plasma-desktop and npp (notepad++) are slow
12:15<psych787>and Xorg also has high priority
12:15<twb>Is there anything like for the security repo?
12:15<psych787>klipper is also slow
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12:17<retrospectacus>quiritius: hm I don't know then, I have squeeze 386 and FF/flash work fine. they used to have sound problems. It still does sometimes after ff ran a very long time.
12:17<jordanm>psych787: had to afk for bit... with 50 different text editors to choose from in linux, you run a windows one from wine??
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12:17<rpetre>i was just about to ask the same thing :)
12:17<kooll>psych787: ok. more perf data is needed, then. what's the output of some io measuring command, like dstat or iostat ? (or anythin that will output at least the number of interruptions/s, ideally io/s)
12:17<jordanm>its difficult for me to express how insane that sounds to me
12:17<psych787>jordanm: Yes. Nothing seems to beat Notepad++'s syntax highlighting.
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12:18<ichdasic1>psych787: vim?
12:18<psych787>iostat was reasonable last time I checked.
12:18<jordanm>psych787: emacs? gedit? vim?
12:18*rpetre backs away slowly
12:18<retrospectacus>gedit? kate?
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12:18<psych787>All not quite to my preference (no offense).
12:18<cahoot>all real programmers use notepad++
12:18<quiritius>retrospectacus: thing is there was no such problem before for a last couple of months. i will try to purge user settings and see what will happen.
12:19<psych787>Really now, this is about how to fix memory usage in general, not a specific program. :|
12:19<ichdasic1>hm, reminds me of some emacs/vi battle some time ago, when i actually pretended to run notepad in wine over ssh on our servers...
12:19<jordanm>psych787: this about good practices, like running a desktop you have enough RAM for, and using the great native applications
12:19<ichdasic1>psych787: why don't you use windows?
12:19<kooll>psych787: well, iostat 1 (or 2, or any suitable refresh interval), and what's the 'tps' value of the concerned disk when stuff is 'slow' ?
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12:20<psych787>don't remember, but its not that the disk is too slow
12:20<kooll>psych787: test it. with your current parameters.
12:20<psych787>I do know from iotop that its doing 20MB/s-150MB/s when things are slow.
12:21<psych787>kooll: That's another problem actually. I have to be actually doing something for a few hours to test it. And I just closed those applications a few minutes ago.
12:21<rpetre>psych787: buy more ram or put swap on a different disk (not partition, disk)
12:21<kooll>psych787: bandwidth isn't as interesting as operations per second. if it gets to some high enough value like 100 or 200/s, you are really maxing out your disk system. else, there's another problem
12:21<jordanm>rpetre: swapping with always be slow
12:21<rpetre>the "buy more ram" option can be read as "stop using large apps"
12:22<psych787>kooll: I know I'm not maxing out the disk system.
12:22<psych787>Its a tripple disk array, its *very* fast.
12:22<kooll>psych787: so, your problem isn't swapping :)
12:22<psych787>Look, for greedy applications, they could run almost entirely in swap and not notice (its that fast).
12:22<kooll>psych787: so you are maxing out the disk system. That's why you need numbers, not 'knowledge' which is more like intuition
12:22<kooll>you may be concentrating on the wrong problem
12:22<psych787>For more interactive stuff, I want it to stay in ram.\
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12:23<kooll>(and I say 'may' to be polite)
12:23<jordanm>"very fast HDDs" will still be very slow in comparison to RAM
12:23<psych787>kooll: That's a matter of opinion. Actually, I'm targeting this problem not only because its currently frustrating my desktop, but because its always irritated me I can't make darn sure my desktop stays responsive.
12:24<psych787>Ideally high-priority apps should survive a disk-intensive fork bomb.
12:24<jordanm>ideally, one would have enough RAM for their applications
12:24<kooll>psych787: ideally. but you have a real system, without the useful numbers during load to diagnose the problem
12:24<kooll>which makes the whole idea of getting things better really theoretical
12:24<psych787>kooll: I want to achieve that idea.
12:24<kooll>get numbers
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12:26<psych787>Highest TPS I get is 60.
12:26<quiritius>retrospectacus: well, a fresh .mozilla folder did the trick. seems that some of the settings are corrupted.
12:26<psych787>Largest number of bulk reads per second is 8000.
12:26<psych787>Hmm, this is very odd.
12:27<kooll>psych787: that's a bit low. which means something else is slowing the system too, like concurrent writes and reads.
12:27<kooll>psych787: or something totally different
12:27<psych787>oh nvm, those were different arrays
12:27<psych787>kooll: Its the sheer quantity of data.
12:27<psych787>Loading 500MB from disk is going to take some time.
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12:27<kooll>psych787: but you aren't loading 500MB from disk, until you see that number ;)
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12:28<kooll>psych787: and from swap, it's not too long, should be mostly sequential, unlike first app startup.
12:28<psych787>I meant for loading Notepad++.
12:28<kooll>so, you may have other sources of random read/write around that need to be fixed.
12:28<psych787>You wanted some numbers so I started up Notepad++ and looked at iostat.
12:29<psych787>Of course, it took Notepad++ 1.5 minutes to load, despite that I've loaded it before.
12:29<kooll>why would it be read completely again ?
12:29<psych787>Because the system thinks its so short on RAM it immediately drops the disk cache.
12:29<kooll>I don't know wine and notepad++ enough to know what to expect, but it *should* be faster the second time
12:30<psych787>kooll: It isn't, because it all gets swapped out or dropped from RAM right away.
12:30<kooll>psych787: then ... you could fix this by doing the exact opposite of what you asked. swapping more ;)
12:30<kooll>(which means more cache, faster reloads)
12:30<psych787>You mean swappiness?
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12:31<psych787>That just means that a batch job like cp will completely eat system ram.
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12:31<psych787>If I run my 1.5TB backup with swappiness, everything else comes to a screeching halt.
12:31<psych787>And I do lots of little jobs like that.
12:32<PovAddict>I have been doing video stuff for which I'd have appreciated having 32GB of disk cache in RAM :/
12:32<psych787>PovAddict: But if you could decide what went to swap, and what didn't, then would have you been happier?
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12:33<psych787>Basically I just want a lot smarter RAM/swap management.
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12:33<PovAddict>it wouldn't have helped, since I have 2GB of physical RAM and 20GB video files; no amount of swapping will make the file fit in cache
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12:34<psych787>PovAddict: Ahh, you have a different problem than me then.
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12:35<PovAddict>but I do understand your problem and it has hit me in the past...
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12:36<psych787>PovAddict: Ok, any way to deal with it?
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12:38<PovAddict>also, I have way too much swap configured...
12:38<PovAddict>I once accidentally ran make -j instead of make -j3, which started a hundred memory-intensive gcc processes, and after 10 minutes I had to push the reset button because everything was absolutely unresponsive
12:39<PovAddict>if I had had less swap, some would have failed with 'out of memory' earlier
12:39<psych787>PovAddict: Made the same mistake once here too. In fact, I always have to remember that Eclipse CDT does that by default.
12:39<psych787>PovAddict: That particular problem is a mistake rather than a legitimate appliction however, and could be solved with ulimit. ;)
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13:23<fhh>hi, I use IPMI to manage one server, I redirect all on serial 2 at 57600b (VT100). I modify GRUB by adding console=tty0 console=ttyS1,57600n8 on kernel call. I modify /etc/inittab by adding "T1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty -h -L 57600 ttyS1 vt100". All seem find, but after GRUB load the kernel, all is unreadable... It seem to be a speed problem, but 9600b do same think and on the same computer with Gentoo this parameters work find... an idear ?
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14:05<hotwings>so for some reason every time one of my boxes boots i get the message about entering the root password or press ctrl-d to continue.. the thing is i dont see any errors. no filesystem problems, no indications of any errors what-so-ever.. any ideas?
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14:07<kinchou>I use awesomewm and I dont have a xorg.conf file, I want to change the default screen resolution, can anyone tell me why I don't have a xorg.conf and how to set the default resolution for Xorg and not for my WM?
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14:07<kinchou>hotwings: are you changing/modifying partitions often?
14:07<quitte_>hotwings: for some reason the single user mode is selected by default in your bootloader?
14:08<hotwings>nope, never
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14:08<hotwings>yeah, single user mode - ive always used
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14:08<hotwings>the box is dedicated htpc.. no desktop or anything like that.. just boot -> startx -> start vdr -> start xine
14:08<quitte_>kinchou: xorg is autoconfed now. just create the file with the entries you want to force
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14:09<kinchou>quitte: I tried doing that but Xorg fails to start when I do, I'll try again to make sure it wasn't my mistake
14:09<quitte_>hotwings: well what you get is the single user mode. it's meant for rescuing
14:10<nickaugust>any idea why fetchmail gives me about 300 of these messages "skipping message not flushed" then only downloads one message from the server? its very slowly downloading 5 years worth of email :/
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14:10<hotwings>oh i see what you mean
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14:10<hotwings>recovery mode?
14:10<quitte_>hotwings: just configure your system to do what you want, but run the normal mode
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14:11<quitte_>hotwings: single user mode only starts whats necessary to give you a shell
14:12<hotwings>hmm, ok this is strange cuz regular mode is my default, recovery mode isnt. heres my /boot/grub/grub.cfg:
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14:13<quitte_>hotwings: what's the default runlevel in /etc/inittab ?
14:14<hotwings># The default runlevel.
14:14<Zpnp>hello, im new here and i have just one little problem, which architecture of debian should i use ? i have laptop with GS45 intel chipset and core 2 duo SU7300. and i want 64-bit. THX for reply.
14:14<retrospectacus>Zpnp: amd64
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14:14<quitte_>hotwings: does ctrl-d bring your system up?
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14:15<hotwings>everything works fine with ctrl-d
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14:15<Zpnp>and for what is ia-64 just curious
14:16<quitte_>in the grub menu there is a way to look at the kernel command line
14:16<quitte_>tab or something
14:16<quitte_>or c. i think the screen tells you
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14:16<quitte_>can you see a "single" in there or show us the whole line?
14:16<quitte_>e apparantly :)
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14:17<hotwings>ill go downstairs and check, one sec
14:17<retrospectacus>Zpnp: it's for Intel Arch like um Itanium I think
14:17<quitte_>Zpnp itanium, but how about waiting for an answer the next time
14:19<quitte_>bah can't recall that word. when you're nervously always in a hurry.
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14:19<kinchou>Zpnp: will you use onboard graphics or Nvidia/ATI card?
14:19<quitte_>impatient! thanks
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14:20<viniciusandre>is there any way of setting up a local web server as non-root?
14:20<rpetre>viniciusandre: yes, as long as it's on a port >1024
14:20<viniciusandre>rpetre: humn.. nice
14:21<rpetre> - maybe this helps you
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14:25<viniciusandre>rpetre: thanks
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14:28<viniciusandre>rpetre: not exactly what I had in mind
14:28<viniciusandre>rpetre: i would like to run some php... lets see
14:28<rpetre>viniciusandre: you can run apache too
14:28<viniciusandre>rpetre: through python?
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14:29<quitte_>viniciusandre: is there a system wide apache already installed?
14:29<viniciusandre>quitte_: yes
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14:30<stuckey>How can I uninstall kde?
14:30<quitte_>viniciusandre: there is a special directory where you can put your website in your home and it becomes accessible at http://addres/~username
14:30<rpetre>viniciusandre: not through python
14:30<quitte_>viniciusandre: usually
14:30<cthuluh>stuckey: just do it
14:30<cahoot>stuckey: try /msg dpkg remove kde
14:30<viniciusandre>quitte_: that already exists, but I cant run php there
14:30<viniciusandre>quitte_: it is blocked
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14:31<hotwings>ok so "single" isnt anywhere in my grub.. however i took the chance to remove a cf card i had in the box while i was there and now the problem is gone
14:31<viniciusandre>quitte_: thanks for that =D
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14:32<stuckey>nice thanks
14:33<stuckey>How do I prepare a usb disc for writing with unetbootin?
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14:55<retrospectacus>stuckey: back up the data you want off it
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15:08<stuckey>retrospectacus: okay then what
15:08<stuckey>retrospectacus: I need to format it and then create a filesystem?
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15:13<piipo>this is a botnet attacks
15:13<retrospectacus>stuckey: nope. follow the unetbootin directions
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15:14<stuckey>retrospectacus: did that and it didn't work
15:15<retrospectacus>it sat on the couch all day eating chips and ignoring the classifieds?
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15:59<GNu_Joe>I found Russell's Teapot!!!!
16:00<dkr>I saw it earlier in an xscreensaver of 3d polygons
16:01<GNu_Joe>It's closer to Mars then the earth
16:02<GNu_Joe>I think it was put there by the flying spaghetti monster
16:03<GNu_Joe>( someone out there will get that ... )
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16:09<houms>can anyone point me to info regarding the latest kernel exploit that involves X server.
16:09<houms>I am jsut wondering if debian has already addressed this issue?
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16:10<moldovean>houms, try google
16:11<houms>yeah, thanks
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16:12<houms>DSA doesn't show anything
16:13<moldovean>houms, or see #debian-security
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16:16<LocoPro>alguien me puede ayudar sobre como instalar debian
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16:18<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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16:22<houms>thanks moldovean
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16:34<moldovean>houms, np
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16:55<monitor>from in brazil
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17:30<moldovean>cla, try > !list
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17:37<dpkg>osirisx: VATTENE VIA!
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17:40<moldovean>osirisx, that was for native italian only ..
17:41<osirisx>lol ok - I was just curious
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17:43<moldovean>osirisx, /msg dpkg list < may help curiosity
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17:51<guilherme>today i have tried to conect to an wireless network, but when i clicked t conect at network manager my keybord and touchpad stoped and the capd lock led started to flash
17:51<guilherme>what is the problem? why?
17:52<guilherme>no, hp 6871us
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17:52<osirisx>sorry I'm not familiar with hp laptop setups
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17:53<guilherme>but it did not happend before, at my house, my onw network the wireless works fine
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17:54<guilherme>this problem only happens when i try to connect at my university
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17:54<kardan>hi, when I try to attach a process with gdb I get "ptrace: Operation not permitted"
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17:57<kardan>something in my openbox/lxde session blocks mouse clicks. is there anything what I can do instead of killing the left applications?
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17:57<locklace>kardan: man 2 ptrace | less '+/EPERM'
17:57<guilherme>could it be a problem with an unsecure network?
17:58<locklace>guilherme: kernel panic
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18:01<kardan>thanks locklace , i flew over that befor but thought, when I run gdb as root, i should not be a problem with privileges
18:01<guilherme>locklace: what? what can i do?
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18:02<moldovean>!kernel panic
18:02<dpkg>[kernel panic] any issue presented to the kernel that it cannot handle. Ask me about <norootfs> for "missing root filesystem", or check your LILO/GRUB config. See the Documentation directory in the source for capturing and printing good stack traces and <regression> testing.
18:03<locklace>guilherme: paste output of lspci -knn, cat /etc/debian_version, cat /proc/net/wireless, uname -a, and dmesg at
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18:05<locklace>kardan: true. if you're running gdb as root it should work
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18:07<guilherme>and for dmesg
18:08<locklace>guilherme: is the panic reproducible?
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18:09<guilherme>now? i'm at home now
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18:10<locklace>i mean does it happen consistently
18:11<kardan>it was not possible to attach lxpanel, openbox, but finally lxsesion as root
18:11<guilherme>yes, i tried 3 times today, and got the same problem
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18:13<guilherme>any ideia? is it possible to solve?
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18:13<locklace>guilherme: several things for you to do. 1, test with a newer kernel like the .35 one in experimental. 2, capture the complete panic output from the console, easiest using netconsole. 3, check open debian bugs in the squeeze kernel and report a new one if it doesn't already exist, 4, if the problem still happens in .35 report a bug at
18:14<locklace>!tell guilherme about netconsole
18:15<kardan>i think I just will kill lxpanel
18:16<guilherme>how can i try the .35 kernel? is there an aptitude package?
18:16<locklace>,kernel --release experimental
18:16<judd>Available kernel versions are: lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24)
18:16<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.35-trunk-686 (2.6.35-1~experimental.2); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-20); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-18); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2)
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18:18<guilherme>the newest one at aptitude is linux-headers-2.6.32-5-amd64
18:19<guilherme>the newest one at aptitude is linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64
18:19<locklace>guilherme: it's best to manually download the linux-image and linux-base packages and install them with dpkg -i (linux-base first)
18:19<locklace>guilherme: get them here:
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18:22<guilherme>if i do that i will have 2 kernel images, right? if i got a problem i will not lose my system right?
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18:23<locklace>guilherme: correct
18:24<guilherme>ok, one min and i will try it
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18:27<guilherme>i got this
18:28<ComradeHaz`>Hi all, I have forgotten how to do something I have done before. I am using dnsmasq as a very simple dns server with a router on the same network acting as the gateway. I cannot remember how to make dnsmasq give the address of the router as the gateway address to clients rather than the ip of the machine dnsmasq is running on....
18:29<locklace>guilherme: fine
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18:29<guilherme>i got a message saying something about my wireless too, becouse it is non-free
18:30<guilherme>can i reboot it?
18:30<ComradeHaz`>Uh, allow me to change what I said.....
18:30<locklace>guilherme: yes. you might have problems with x/nvidia
18:31<ComradeHaz`>Hi all, I have forgotten how to do something I have done before. I am using dnsmasq as a very simple DHCP server with a router on the same network acting as the gateway. I cannot remember how to make dnsmasq give the address of the router as the gateway address to clients rather than the ip of the machine dnsmasq is running on....
18:31<locklace>guilherme: if so run it with the vesa driver
18:31<guilherme>how can i run with vesa?
18:31<locklace>guilherme: put something like this in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
18:31<gsimmons>ComradeHaz`: dhcp-option=3, It's a commented example in dnsmasq.conf.
18:32<guilherme>ok, i will reboot
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18:33<ComradeHaz`>Arrgghh! Thanks gsimmons! Depressingly easy!
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18:44<ComradeHaz`>gsimmons: is there any reason why the gateway and 'everything else' have to be on the same subnet if I have a virtual interface defined?
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18:45<ComradeHaz`>Hmm, do I need to describe my set-up more thoroughly?!
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19:01<axedre>hi everyone, where can I find an ISO for debian sid? businesscard/netinstall would be great, otherwise a normal CD will do...
19:02<jordanm>axedre: don't exist afaik
19:02<jordanm>!tell axedre about sid
19:02<bleakgadfly>!tell bleakgadfly about sid
19:02<bleakgadfly>Neat, even.
19:03<jordanm>!tell bleakgadfly about selftell
19:03<axedre>oh... that's weird
19:03<axedre>thanks for the reply anyway! :)
19:03<bleakgadfly>How so, axedre?
19:04<bleakgadfly>I wonder if this will work:
19:04<bleakgadfly>!tell axedre about sidux
19:04<axedre>'cause I thought there would be... glancing at distrowatch
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19:05<bleakgadfly>Heard about Sidux, axedre?
19:05<axedre>would you recommend it?
19:05<moldovean>bleakgadfly, don't recommend sidux here , please
19:05<bleakgadfly>I don't, moldovean
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19:05<bleakgadfly>I have never tried it
19:05<bleakgadfly>Only heard of it. They don't have support for my platform anyway :)
19:05<axedre>don't want to get you in trouble with mods ;)
19:06<moldovean>bleakgadfly, which platform ?
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19:06<moldovean>bleakgadfly, get it from ?
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19:07<bleakgadfly>I bought all of my Loongson-hardware at
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19:07<bleakgadfly>I got the FuLoong 6004 (I think that's on sale now) and the YeeLoong 8101B 10" netbook
19:07<bleakgadfly>Too bad there is no "official" Loongson-port of Debian, only the one that Lemote have hacked together.
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19:09<moldovean>bleakgadfly, you sure about no "official" .. ?
19:09<bleakgadfly>Yeah, moldovean. There is the mips/mipsel-port
19:09<bleakgadfly>But those aren't developed for Loongson
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19:10<axedre>ok, I'll just try squeeze for now then (sidux doesn't have gnome, which is my favourite desktop)... does anyone know with gnome version is shipped with squeeze?
19:10<bleakgadfly>I also went through the donated machines that Debian has in "stock" and there doesn't seem to be any.
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19:10<bleakgadfly>axedre: <= Try searching for "Gnome" there and filter by "squeeze"
19:11<moldovean>, versions gnome
19:11<judd>gnome -- etch: 1:; lenny: 1:2.22.2~5; sid: 1:2.30+1; squeeze: 1:2.30+1
19:11<bleakgadfly>, versions binutils
19:11<judd>binutils -- etch: 2.17-3+etch1; lenny: 2.18.1~cvs20080103-7; lenny-backports: 2.20-4~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.20.1-12; sid: 2.20.1-13; experimental:
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19:12<moldovean>bleakgadfly, why don't you engage in porting mipsel to lemote machines ?
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19:12<bleakgadfly>moldovean: I don't know where/how to start =/
19:13<axedre>ok, thanks everyone! cheers! :)
19:13<bleakgadfly>I saw there was created a project called Debian-YeeLoong but that doesn't include the FuLoong (mini-PC, which I use as desktop computer)
19:13<moldovean>bleakgadfly, asl im mailing liste mipsel/mips
19:13<moldovean> ask*
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19:15<bleakgadfly>Is there any fancy IRC-commands for finding mailing lists too? ;)
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19:15<bleakgadfly>, list debian-mips
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19:18<bleakgadfly>Giving them a message now
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19:23<summer>hello I got a folder with some pics and I want to burn them as a slideshow on a dvd-r to watch on a home dvd player, what package can I use?
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19:27<moldovean>bleakgadfly, some good news ""loongson2f famlily machines will enter into 2.6.33" >
19:28<acu>hey guys I have an offtopic question - how much HP have paid to be platinum sponsor for Debconf10 ?
19:28<moldovean>acu, mult
19:28<acu>lol - quantitative
19:29<bleakgadfly>moldovean: Check this out:
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19:30<bleakgadfly>There is a good work going on porting the kernel to Loongson, but the individual distros are lacking somewhat behind
19:30<bleakgadfly>gNewSense have a port I had been running for a while before installing Lenny on my netbook yesterday
19:30<moldovean>bleakgadfly, yeah manpower ..
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19:30<bleakgadfly>OpenBSD has one too but that doesn't have any packages that can make it generally useful.
19:31<bleakgadfly>Anyway, I sent out a message to the mailing list offering to help out if anyone is interested. See where it goes :)
19:31<moldovean>bleakgadfly, anyways i'm interested (as future user)
19:32<bleakgadfly>That's nice. Are you living in Europe?
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19:32<moldovean>yes, suisse
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19:33<bleakgadfly>Okay, also sells "open hardware" in Europe, among others FreeRunner, Lemote etc.
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19:35<moldovean>bleakgadfly, just by curiosity , how much ram has your eeepc-mipsel ?
19:35<moldovean>sow mini-lemote proposed 0.5 to 1 BG
19:36<bleakgadfly>The YeeLoong has 1Gb I think
19:36<acu>does anyone know how much the sponsors paid to be Platinum, Silver etc for Debconf ?
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19:36<moldovean>and battery autonomy is ?
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19:37<bleakgadfly>80 minutes
19:37<moldovean>acu, why , you'r *fisc* men ?
19:38<acu>moldovean I cannot guess what * * are there
19:39<moldovean>heh, we never know ..
19:39<acu>what is *fisc* ? some known amount of money moldovean ?
19:39<bremner>tax man?
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19:40<acu>so it is an infinite amount of money - I wanted some more concrete answer
19:40<moldovean>bremner, yeah, tks
19:41<bremner>acu: I guess if it is a serious inquiry, you can find someone on #debconf-team to talk to
19:41<dondelelcaro>acu: I forget the precise breakdown, but it's in the tens of thousands range
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19:43<acu>dondelelcaro: thanks at least a ballpark helps - though I like the joke answers too :)
19:43<dondelelcaro>acu: but that said, if you or your company want to sponsor debconf, the next one is in Boznia, and we always are looking for more sponsors
19:45<acu>I got that - I should have come to New York - actually I am watching the speeches - they are awesome - just now I am looking at the neuro-debian
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19:47<acu>dondelelcaro: they are the same dates (roughly) every year
19:48<dondelelcaro>acu: usually, yeah
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20:17<Skaja>What's that debian release with the newer kernals?
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20:38<youssefk>hello everyone!
20:39<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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20:40<youssefk>I have a problem with the metasploit updating
20:41<summer>I need to burn a video dvd and can't because brasero says I'm missing mplex gstreamer plugin, but there is no such plugin, anyone know what to do
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20:44<cesurasean>How do I get sound working on gnome on debian squeeze?
20:45<cesurasean>i went to sound, and turned up all the volumes, still no sound.
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20:46<cesurasean>how do i get my stinking sound to work.
20:46<cesurasean>is it muted by default?
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20:50<bremner>!alsa checklist
20:50<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>.
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20:52<kenyon>summer: the mplex plugin is in the gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad package
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20:52<cesurasean>i still cannot seem to get any sound
20:53<cesurasean>i have unmuted, but still does not work!
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20:53<cesurasean>whoops, sorry for that
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20:58<bremner>cesurasean: did you follow all of the steps in the checklist above?
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20:59<cesurasean>bremner, modprobe snd-pcm-oss does not give any results
20:59<cesurasean>how do i add myself to the audio group?
20:59<cesurasean>shouldn't my account automatically be in the audio group?
20:59<bremner>see the adduser manpage
20:59<bremner>type groups to find out
21:00<cesurasean>bremner, does my user have to be part of the audio group in order to have sounds?
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21:00<cesurasean>you seem very knowledgeable about this.
21:00<bremner>that is what the bot says
21:01<bremner>I am just reading the bot output to you.
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21:01<bremner>I am in the audio group fwtw
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21:02<mju>cesurasean: does the output of "id" contain "audio"?
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21:05<cesurasean>debian-pc:/home/sbrady# id
21:05<cesurasean>uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root)
21:05<cesurasean>when i check /etc/group, it shows my username under the audio section
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21:06<cesurasean>and i think ive unmuted the speakers
21:06<mib_vasraa>I forgot how to edit fstab and forgot where it's located
21:06<cesurasean>how in the heck can i get this fixed/
21:07<mju>cesurasean: well, type this as the user who wants to play the audio
21:07<kenyon>!tell mib_vasraa about fstab
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21:08<mju>(or try the aplay thing from above as root)
21:08<cesurasean>type what?
21:09<mju>type "id" as the user, not as root
21:09<cesurasean>seems NO ONE knows how to get sound working on debian squeeze?!
21:09<cesurasean>sbrady@debian-pc:~$ id
21:09<cesurasean>uid=1000(sbrady) gid=1000(sbrady) groups=1000(sbrady),20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),44(video),46(plugdev)
21:10<mju>cesurasean: ok, you are in the audio group
21:11<cesurasean>mju, so why does my audio not work?
21:11<mju>what does the "aplay ..." from above do?
21:11<cesurasean>plays the file just fine
21:11<cesurasean>i just dont hear any sound
21:11<cesurasean>how do i check to my check my speakers aren't muted?
21:11<kenyon>cesurasean: connect your speakers to another audio source, like a CD player, and make sure they work
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21:12<cesurasean>they work
21:12<cesurasean>they are good speaks i just used them on my laptop
21:12<bremner>cesurasean: use alsamixer, like the bot says ("/msg dpkg alsa checklist" to get it again)
21:12<cesurasean>How do i use alsamixer and unmute?
21:12<cesurasean>what button unmutes?
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21:13<bremner>it is a text program.
21:13<cesurasean>what button mutes?
21:14<kenyon>m toggles muting
21:14<cesurasean>how do i know if its mute?
21:14<cesurasean>the MM?
21:14<bremner>man alasmixer <return> /mute
21:14<cesurasean>or the 00?
21:15<kenyon>see the alsamixer manual page. you should see O in green below the control
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21:15<cesurasean>now thats done
21:15<cesurasean>still no sound
21:16<MrFrood>cesurasean: see the loading modules section of
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21:16<MrFrood>it worked for me
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21:18<cesurasean>how do i know modules aren't loaded?
21:18<cesurasean>and how do i know which modules to load?
21:18<cesurasean>MrFrood, can you help me out a bit here?
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21:20<cesurasean>Intel Corporation 82801BA/BAM AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 05)
21:20<cesurasean>this is the kind of card i have
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21:21<MrFrood>cesurasean: if you are on lenny run alsaconf
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21:21<cesurasean>im on squeeze
21:21<cesurasean>any other suggestions?
21:22<MrFrood>cesurasean: if squeeze or higher run the command
21:22<MrFrood>cesurasean: alsactl init'
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21:22<MrFrood>cesurasean: sorry, that should be
21:22<MrFrood>cesurasean: alsactl init
21:22<cesurasean>Unknown hardware: "ICH" "Analog Devices AD1885" "AC97a:41445360" "0x107b" "0x500d"
21:22<cesurasean>Hardware is initialized using a guess method
21:23<cesurasean>is that ok?
21:23<MrFrood>try it
21:23<cesurasean>still no sound
21:23<MrFrood>pcm & master are turned up & unmuted?
21:24<cesurasean>yes, from what i can tell, yes
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21:24<bja>Preparing to replace linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 2.6.26-24 (using .../linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64_2.6.26-24lenny1_amd64.deb) ... <-- For the record the default size of the / partition on a standard lenny installation for the amd64 is too small to hold two kernels at the same time
21:24<cesurasean>is there another mixer program i can install and try to unmute with?
21:25<bja>amixer although it is the brother of alsamixer
21:25<MrFrood>do you have a gui
21:25<cesurasean>i wanna have a gui for alsamixer
21:26<MrFrood>stick with alsamixer then it is the most friendly of the console options
21:28<bja>MrFrood: let the man suffer he will survive a stronger one :-)
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21:28<cesurasean>still no sound
21:29<cesurasean>anyone have any other ideas?
21:29<bja>cesurasean: is the card alive, getting power and making extremly low noises (background line noise) ?
21:30<cesurasean>im getting background noise
21:31<sney>cesurasean: if the aplay trick didn't result in any sounds then it's more likely a module problem
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21:31<sney>or you have 2 or more devices that the kernel recognizes as sound cards and it's defaulting to the wrong one
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21:32<cesurasean>how do i install a module?
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21:32<cesurasean>can someone please assist me on getting this working?
21:32<cesurasean>im not very knowledgeable about sounds
21:32<sney>seems like lots of people have been trying ^^
21:32<kenyon>cesurasean: what do you think is happening here?
21:32<cesurasean>im not really sure
21:33<cesurasean>linux not operating the card correctly
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21:34<cesurasean>someone please help me get audio working on my system. i'll love you dearly.
21:35*bja loves a Ben franklin more
21:35<kenyon>try booting a LiveCD of Ubuntu and seeing if audio works there
21:36<cesurasean>"aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav"
21:36<kenyon>or Debian Live
21:36<cesurasean>debian-pc:/home/sbrady# alsactl init
21:36<cesurasean>Unknown hardware: "ICH" "Analog Devices AD1885" "AC97a:41445360" "0x107b" "0x500d"
21:36<cesurasean>Hardware is initialized using a guess method
21:36<cesurasean>shouldnt that be a clue why?
21:36<cesurasean>unknown hardware?
21:36<cesurasean>should i install linux-firmware package?
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21:38<MrFrood>cesurasean: is this a card built into the motherboard or speperate pluged into a pci slot
21:38<cesurasean>pci slot
21:39<cesurasean>does it need the linux-nonfree firmware package?
21:39<MrFrood>you have disablled the one (if any) built in to the motherboard in the bios?
21:39<bja>cesurasean: /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0
21:40<bja>cesurasean: speaker-test -t wav -c 2
21:40<cesurasean>bja, i just ran that and can't hear anything
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21:41<bja>cesurasean: lspci -nn |grep Audio
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21:42<cesurasean>00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: Intel Corporation 82801BA/BAM AC'97 Audio Controller [8086:2445] (rev 05)
21:43<cesurasean>is there any special module that needs to be loaded with such a sound card?
21:43<bja>judd: pciid 8086:2445
21:43<judd>[8086:2445] is '82801BA/BAM AC'97 Audio Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'snd-intel8x0' in lenny. See also and the out-of-tree 'snd-intel8x0' module.
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21:43<bja>cesurasean: ^^^ check that
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21:44<cesurasean>bja, can you help me out a bit more, please?
21:44<cesurasean>i don't understand how to load modules.
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21:44<bja>cesurasean: lsmod |grep snd
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21:44<bja>if you can't find the module mentioned above you will have to do man lsmod
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21:45<bja>cesurasean: or better yet man insmod
21:45<kenyon>or just sudo modprobe snd-intel8x0
21:45<bja>cesurasean: Sorry i have a lot of work to do yet and time is not the most abundant resource this days
21:46<dpkg>Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"? modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under Linux 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet? Taunting Happy Fun Ball causes cancer
21:47<bja>cesurasean: ^^^
21:47<bja>kenyon: old habits dye hard
21:49<cesurasean>im a bit confused
21:49<cesurasean>you sent me a page about modem drivers
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21:50<cesurasean>i ran "modprobe snd-intel8x0", with no results returned
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21:51<mju>cesurasean: that's good
21:53<mju>cesurasean: it means it worked. Try the aplay trick again.
21:53<cesurasean>how do i load module "snd-intel8x0"?
21:54<bja>cesurasean: It seems you allready have do as mju told you to.
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21:54<cesurasean>so the module is already loaded?
21:54<cesurasean>how come i still can't sound?
21:55<mju>cesurasean: go through the list again.
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21:57<cesurasean>why is it so hard to get sound working?
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21:58<bja>cesurasean: cheap cards lousy documentation and a hundred other reasons
21:58<cesurasean>so if i pop another card in, and boot up
21:58<cesurasean>i may get sound?
21:58<cesurasean>and it may auto recognize?
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21:59<bja>Probably, but you will have to take your chances on that too
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22:00<bja>Since ion3 is no longer on squeeze for obvious reasons, the fork on it is still not packaged, can i forward port the lenny package to squeeze ?
22:01<moldovean>dpkg, why not ion3 on squeeze ?
22:01<dpkg>moldovean: I don't know, could you explain it?
22:02<dvs>!why isn't ion3 in squeeze
22:02<moldovean> ion3 -- lenny/non-free: 20080825-1
22:02<moldovean>so non-free goes to not free
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22:04<bja>dvs: The real reason for that is that the developer has the emotional maturity of a 3 year old
22:05<bja>, versions notion
22:05<judd>Sorry, no package named 'notion' was found.
22:05<bja>judd: versions notion
22:05<judd>Sorry, no package named 'notion' was found.
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22:07<bja>He even pulled the http site down because he was no longer developing it. But well that is history. The alternatives for us tiled wm users is either "forward port" the current version of ion3 or compile notion wich i've heard it is a pain to do
22:08<kenyon>or use a different tiling wm
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22:09<bja>The last but not least is to backport or for what i've been looking install i3 which happens to be a good wm also. Some tweaking needed and some maturity on the project also
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22:09<dpkg>Tritium is a tiling <window manager> written in Python, inspired by ion3. Packaged for Debian; Lenny users, ask me about <bpo>.
22:09<bja>kenyon: :-)
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22:09<bja>judd: versions tritium
22:09<judd>tritium -- lenny-backports: 0.3.8-2~bpo50+1; sid: 0.3.8-2; squeeze: 0.3.8-2
22:10<bja>kenyon: thx, the other day abrotman mentioned it but judd for some reason did not have any info on it
22:10<kenyon>I use xmonad and ratpoison meself
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22:13<bja>kenyon: i tried xmonad, but the dynamic part of the wm is confusing. I tried stumpwm wich is very similar to ratpoison and well not what i am used to but i could manage
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22:15<hackpa>amigos cuando me descargos las iso de debian por bit torrent o por http. y la quemo no me bootean.. hay me puede ayudar???? por favor
22:16<NickyP>are ati graphic drivers packaged in non-free?
22:16<bja>!es hackpa
22:16<dpkg>hackpa: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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22:17<hackpa><dpkg thanks
22:17<hackpa>amigos cuando me descargos las iso de debian por bit torrent o por http. y la quemo no me bootean.. alguien me puede ayudar???? por favor
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22:18<kenyon>!tell NickyP about ati
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22:25<NickyP>ATI Radeon HD 5450 is there a deb or get from ati and install
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22:28<GhostlyDeath>Anyone know of any good working USB PCI Cards that offer 2.0 (or just up to 1.1) and don't take up tons of IRQs?
22:29<GhostlyDeath>These NEC Cards that I got just take up all the IRQs which half the time don't even work properly causing USB to die in Linux
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22:29<xjjk>I can't remember the last time I had IRQ problems
22:31<GhostlyDeath>This is a PC from the year 2000
22:31<GhostlyDeath>This NEC Chip uses 3 IRQs
22:31<GhostlyDeath>it exposes itself as 3 USB devices, 2 OHCI offering 2 and 3 ports, and 1 EHCI offering 5 ports
22:32<GhostlyDeath>It shared many IRQs with other devices
22:32<xjjk>I've only ever seen TI and NEC USB expansion cards
22:33<GhostlyDeath>There's tons, but the most common are VIA and NEC
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22:35<moldovean>GhostlyDeath, ask in #hardware on
22:35<xjjk>more than likely you know more about this than anyone not afk right now
22:35<GhostlyDeath>moldovean: I just asked
22:35<xjjk>I'd find a mailing list
22:36<xjjk>perhaps linux-usb
22:36<xjjk>or whatever it's called now
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22:53<bja>kenyon: tritium will not show up on the gdm chooser menu any ideas on how to fix this isue ?
22:54<moldovean>bja, put it in /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc
22:55<bja>moldovean: ok, i'll see the sintax i've never done it before
22:56<moldovean>bja, < change openbox to tritium
22:57<bja>moldovean: thx
22:58<moldovean>bja, you welcome
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23:00<moldovean> bja , you may test it on second X by (startx -- :1)
23:00<bja>moldovean: did not work, i am loging in using gdm :-(
23:01<moldovean>still , tried startx -- :1 ?
23:02<bja>moldovean: it did not work, lots of blinking and I get this message on xterm waiting for X server to shut down ..FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing.
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23:04<moldovean>bja, ah , you right , add a new use , and do it as new user , sry
23:05<bja>Never mind, we all make mistakes, but i didn't get it i ran startx as root what do you mean by adding a new user ?
23:06<moldovean>run startx -- :1 as new user
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23:10<bja>moldovean: hmm X is beeing a bitch I'll think i'll take a look at it again in a few hours
23:12<moldovean>bja, hm, is not so complicated to just run " startx -- :1" as a new user , it will get new X on tty8 , with a xterminal
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23:13<bja>moldovean: actually it will not it gives me the X root window and the familiar X mouse cursor
23:13<bja>no xterm or interaction point :(
23:14<kenyon>moldovean: modifying /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc is the wrong way to do it, you should do that in ~/.xsession
23:14<moldovean>bja, you changed more then openbox in my example ..
23:15<moldovean>keep all the rest same as in that example
23:15<bja>moldovean: not according to me, I'll take a new look at your file
23:15<kenyon>with gdm you should be able to select "user session" or something (I haven't used gdm in a while), and it will run ~/.xsession
23:16<bja>kenyon: afaik ~/.xsession will source /etc/X11/Xsession
23:17<kenyon>only if you tell it to
23:18<moldovean>kenyon, apparently tritium don't come in gdm menu , maybe a X restart is need < bja
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23:20<moldovean>bja, anyways i done as i'm told you ans i have on tty8 the tritium + a xterm
23:20<bja>Ok, i edited ~/.xsession and i added the tritium & line. I am inside tritium but nothing works :-)
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23:21<moldovean>bja, add the xterm there ..
23:21<bja>moldovean: I'll review your config file tomorrow i am sure i made a stupid typo when copying
23:22<bja>moldovean: f2 is not responding f1 ask for a page but it will not display anything
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23:22<kenyon>modifying the system-wide xinitrc is wrong, do it in ~/.xinitrc or ~/.xsession. I use the latter with xdm.
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23:22<bja>kenyon: yes i modified the ~/.* files
23:24<MrFrood>kenyon: I'm using dwm with the SLiM login manager, if you do not need remote X logins it might be worth trying instead of GDM as it has an aoption to use the .xinitrc file when starting X
23:24<moldovean>bja, there are only two lines to add
23:25<kenyon>MrFrood: I don't use gdm, I use xdm
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23:26<MrFrood>kenyon: an alternative to xdm them if you do not need remote logins
23:26<kenyon>I think /usr/share/xsessions is where you would add a file to get a new menu entry for a new wm in gdm
23:26<kenyon>xdm is fine
23:30<moldovean>kenyon, we can use xdm/gdm to choose a session say on tty7 , and customise later /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc to use other VM on say tty8 , etc , in same time ..
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23:32<MrFrood>I thought .xclients is where you added new entries for x/gdm?
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23:33<kenyon>moldovean: do whatever you want, I'm just saying it's bad style to put user-specific changes in a system-wide file
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23:35<moldovean>MrFrood, no
23:35<MrFrood>It's a long time since I used anything but SLiM but I do have vauge memories of messing about with a ~/.xclients file
23:36<kenyon>MrFrood: that seems to be a Red Hat file, looking at google
23:37<MrFrood>hmm, last time I used GDM was on Arch so not just RedHat
23:37<moldovean>kenyon, so how we run two or more X servers in same time on local machines?
23:39<kenyon>moldovean: I don't see how that is relevant
23:40<moldovean>that's what i use to test different VM in parallel with gnome as primary X
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23:42<bja>moldovean: I'm back somehow tritium froze the keyboad and there was no way of resetting X but the naste way
23:43<bja>The only problem i have now is that it will not open or do anything else for the matter.
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23:44<bja>Maximum number of clients reachedError: cannot open display: :0.0
23:45<moldovean>bja, i dunno tritium , i just tried to show how to run it in parallel with gnome , w/o touching primary X
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23:47<bja>moldovean: thx it is nice to know an alternative, could you repaste your link so i can download it. It seems that since Keyboad froze irssi will not save log files correctly (had to restart X the really hard way)
23:49<bja>moldovean: thx i have dowloaded it. I'll take a look at it after some hours of sleep
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23:52*bja thanks everyone for their assistance this night and wishes everyone a nice day.
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