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00:00<NickyP>How do i get kernel sources AND HEADERS
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00:01<NickyP>Linux debianhp 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Tue Jun 1 04:34:03 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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00:04<MAf>im new at bcktrk
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00:09<cesurasean>can someone please help me get my sound working on my squeeze desktop?
00:10<MAf>well i m new at bcktrk
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00:10<MAf>and also on xchat
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00:11<cesurasean>Can someone please help with my audio issue?
00:11<NickyP>MAf: Just ask a question.
00:11<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
00:11<moldovean>MAf, ^^
00:11<cesurasean>None of my mixers are showing as mute, so how come i am not getting any sound??
00:11<MAf>wht is problem with ur sonds ?
00:12<moldovean>MAf, go ask in #backtrack-linux on
00:12<dpkg>Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20100820, snapshot 2.6: 2.6.36-rc1-git2, mainline 2.6: 2.6.36-rc1, stable 2.6.35: , stable 2.6.34: , stable 2.6.33: , stable 2.6.32: , stable 2.6.31: , stable 2.6.27:
00:12<MAf>anyone can tell me how can i make wireless connection in linux ?
00:12<cesurasean>MAf, I'm not able to get any sound from my squeeze desktop. Doesn't seem to work.
00:13<MAf>what is sound driver name realtek or else ?
00:14<MAf>ur sound card is of which ?
00:15<cesurasean>it looks like i have two cards.
00:15<cesurasean>00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801BA/BAM AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 05)
00:15<cesurasean>02:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 07)
00:16<vasuvi>If it makes you feel any better, I have a similar card (same emu10k1 chipset), and I also can't get sound to work with ALSA in Squeeze
00:16<vasuvi>I had to switch to OSS4 to get sound to work at all
00:16<dpkg>[oss4] Open Sound System is a cross-platform set of device drivers providing a standard audio API for Unix systems. OSS/Free was in the 2.2 and 2.4 series of Linux kernels, with OSS/Linux remaining proprietary, replaced by <ALSA> in Linux 2.6. Open Sound System v4.0 was made available under the GPLv2 in July 2007, packaged for Debian as oss4 in testing. #oss on
00:17<vasuvi>Not a problem in any other distro, including Debian-derived Kubuntu
00:17<cesurasean>vasuvi, how do i switch to that to make it work?
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00:18<vasuvi>cesurasean: first, you've got to install the packages: oss4-base, oss4-dkms, and oss4-gtk (for the graphical mixer)
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00:19<NickyP>how do I get the kernel headers? Linux debianhp 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Tue Jun 1 04:34:03 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
00:20<MAf>cesurasean write a command becoming root use............'aplay ring.wav'
00:20<vasuvi>cesurasean: It's been a while since I've done it, so I don't remember exactly what I did, but assuming the forum post I found is accurate, then you just "dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base" to switch to OSS
00:20<MAf>tell me if any sound
00:20<NickyP>!kernel headers
00:21<vasuvi>(also disabling your integrated sound in the motherboard probably isn't a bad idea, unless you plan to actually use both; that's the other "card" you see in lspci)
00:21<cesurasean>vasuvi, i am installing those packages now
00:21<MAf>install gstreamer0.10
00:21<vasuvi>cesurasean: I hope it works :)
00:22<vasuvi>MAf: It won't; I have the same card as cesurasean and had the same problems. No amount of tweaking got it to work with ALSA.
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00:22*vasuvi wonders if anybody has filed a bug report...
00:23*moldovean goes check bts
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00:24<cesurasean>how do i play a test sound?
00:25<cesurasean>first how do i reload what i have installed, and then how do i test a audio file?
00:25<vasuvi>just pick any old .wav that's on your system (you can use "find / -xdev -name "*.wav") then "cat $wav >/dev/pcm"
00:26<MAf>first make sure which sound card u r using check it by using 'inxi -F'
00:26<vasuvi> /dev/dsp I mean.
00:26<cesurasean>how do i restart sound services?
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00:27<cesurasean>inxi -F does not work
00:27<cesurasean>command not found
00:28<cesurasean>so, how do i know which card im using?
00:28<vasuvi>you could in theory unload the ALSA kernel mods and load the OSS ones, then stop the ALSA service and start the OSS one, but it's probably easiest just to reboot
00:28<vasuvi>plug the speakers into both cards, one at a time, and try playing a sound ;)
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00:29<vasuvi>cesurasean: have you done the "dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base" yet?
00:29<cesurasean>is there a way to reload oss
00:29<cesurasean>i ran that
00:29<cesurasean>so reboot?
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00:29<vasuvi>ok, good; yeah, rebooting is probably the easiest
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00:30<MAf>i think u should write command 'alsactl init' by becoming root user
00:30<MAf>then restart
00:30<vasuvi>MAf: He switched from ALSA to OSS; there's no point in running alsactl any more
00:31<MAf>ok then download audio codec for ur audio chipset
00:31*vasuvi shakes head and sighs
00:31<MAf>and install it witth.............'./install'
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00:32<vasuvi>cesurasean: welcome back :)
00:32<MAf>how abt sound nnow ?
00:32<vasuvi>now find a .wav file, any .wav file, and try directing it to /dev/dsp
00:33<cesurasean>now im getting this error:
00:33<cesurasean>how do i switch from ALSA to OSS
00:34<MAf>download audio codec for ur sound card from net
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00:34<MAf>then install it by writin './install'
00:34<vasuvi>cesurasean: You can't use "aplay" to use OSS, silly ;)
00:34<vasuvi>aplay = ALSA player
00:34<cesurasean>so how do i run OSS?
00:35<cesurasean>or make sure my system is only using OSS?
00:35<cesurasean>how do i play with oss????!!
00:36<vasuvi>try playing some audio with a non-command-line program
00:36<vasuvi>you might need to tweak GNOME/KDE settings first
00:36<vasuvi>or, for the third time, for a quick test, find a .wav file, let's call it test.wav, and "cat test.wav >/dev/dsp"
00:37<cesurasean>tweak gnome settings, how?
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00:37<vasuvi>I don't know; I use KDE and XFCE more than GNOME ;) I can look it up I suppose, but then so could you...
00:38<MAf>no any sound will happen whenever u not download codecs for ur card
00:38<vasuvi>cesurasean: Have you tried just playing something first?
00:38<vasuvi>It might "just work"; you never know
00:39<cesurasean>is there a way to play files with oss through command prompt?
00:39<vasuvi>cesurasean: Well, besides playing .wav files directly, you could try mplayer
00:39<vasuvi>e.g.: mplayer -ao oss "Awesome Music.mp3"
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00:40<vasuvi>MAf: Codec = encoder/decoder. They are what you need for file formats, not sound cards. Sound cards, like other hardware, take drivers instead.
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00:40<vasuvi>MAf: And I've already walked him through the steps of getting the OSS drivers for his card.
00:40<cesurasean>ok im lost
00:41<cesurasean>when i go into my settings for sound in gnome, i see OSS cards now
00:41<MAf>ya but whenever he do not download codec he cannot...........install some player like gstreamer
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00:41<cesurasean>how do i test my sound though using command prompt? like aplay?
00:41<vasuvi>cesurasean: As I said, install mplayer
00:41<cesurasean>i did
00:41<cesurasean>so how do i use mplayer to play one?
00:41<vasuvi>mplayer -ao oss "file name"
00:42<K0JIbKA>Hard talk, hi all!
00:42<cesurasean>ok it played, but no sound
00:43<MAf>hmm then install codec for mplayer now
00:43<vasuvi>ok, want to try to switch the speaker cables to your other card and try again?
00:43<cesurasean>i only have 1 card
00:43<vasuvi>(or rather, to your onboard audio I should say)
00:43<cesurasean>1 pci card
00:43<cesurasean>i dont know why it says that i have two
00:44<vasuvi>sure you don't have onboard audio on your motherboard?
00:44<cesurasean>just a pci card
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00:44<MAf>ffmpeg ffmpeg-devel ffmpeg-libs ffmpeg2dirac ffmpeg2theora install that all codec
00:44<moldovean>cesurasean, no you have two
00:44<cesurasean>no, i have 1 pci card
00:44<cesurasean>but when i ran lspci, it shows two
00:44<moldovean>one pci + one integrated
00:44<kenyon>cesurasean: you have two audio devices
00:44<K0JIbKA>cesurasean: must be volume level is set to minimum, should increase by system means
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00:45<cesurasean>K0JIbKA, what?
00:45<vasuvi>cesurasean: and I agree with K0JIbKA, it never hurts to make sure that the volume is high enough
00:45<vasuvi>use ossxmix to alter the volume
00:45<cesurasean>the volume is on full blast
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00:46<K0JIbKA>I use amixer, but that works for alsa mostly
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00:46<vasuvi>ok, it probably is trying to use your integrated sound then; look at the back of your case to make sure lspci isn't being crazy
00:46<moldovean>cesurasean, uname -r , say ?
00:47<cesurasean>I ONLY HAVE 1 PCI SOUND CARD.
00:47<cesurasean>lspci is showing two devices
00:47<vasuvi>Yes, we know that
00:47<vasuvi>It's claiming that the other is integrated, not PCI
00:48<cesurasean>well, how do i switch to use the pci one?
00:48<kenyon>cesurasean: have you even tried plugging your speakers into the other audio jack?
00:48<cesurasean>maybe its using the wrong card
00:48<cesurasean>there is only 1 audio jack
00:48<vasuvi>Easiest way is to disable the integrated in the BIOS; if you can't/won't do that, there are more complicated ways having to do with configuration files...
00:48<cesurasean>NOT 2
00:48<cesurasean>let me disable
00:48<moldovean>cat /proc/asound/cards
00:49<kenyon>post a picture of the back of your computer
00:49<vasuvi>moldovean: remember, no ALSA anymore ;)
00:49<cesurasean>kenyon. THERE IS NOT 2 SOUND CARDS
00:49<moldovean>yeah, i know
00:49<cesurasean>im staring at the back now
00:49<cesurasean>let me try to disable via bios, brb
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00:50*vasuvi salutes those who come here and help often, not just randomly on a whim like me
00:51<kenyon>he is being difficult. he's been acting like this all day with this problem
00:51<kenyon>just now we find that he has two audio devices
00:51<vasuvi>ah, so he didn't just come in shortly before me then
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00:55<moldovean>vasuvi, for dayS ..
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00:56<cesurasean>Ok, i had an intergrated sound card
00:56<cesurasean>it seems to work fine now
00:56<vasuvi>glad it worked :)
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00:56<moldovean>!win cesurasean
00:56<dpkg>Congratulations, cesurasean! You have won a lifetime supply of spam!
00:57<kenyon>!beer cesurasean
00:57*dpkg deftly decants a fine Dogfishhead 90min IPA for cesurasean
00:57<K0JIbKA>moldovean: how you did that?
00:57<moldovean>see above ..
00:57<MAf>is ur sound card working now ?
00:58<kenyon>!tell K0JIbKA about dpkgbot
00:58<koushik>Anyone used WD My Passport Essential 2.5" (ultra portable) HDD on debian ? Does re-formatting it have any impact on the associate "virtual cd partition" ?
00:58<cesurasean>i had to turn off the internal one
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00:58<MAf>ok gd
00:59<Efreak>reformatting shouldnt, afaik, koushik
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00:59<koushik>thanks, Efreak.
00:59<Efreak>if its the same as the sandisk u3 device, you have to run a program that removes the extra partition
01:00<Efreak>but I've never used it and I'm not an expert
01:00<Efreak>so dont blame me if it messes it up :P
01:00<cesurasean>now just to get youtube videos working....
01:00<MAf>how can i play youtube videos in linux ?
01:00<Efreak>who needs flash?
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01:00<jm_>mplayer can also play them if you download it
01:01<kenyon>koushik: what messages appear in syslog when you plug in the hard drive? pastebin them.
01:01<cesurasean>i always get an error has occured when loading youtube videos
01:01<jm_>them, not it
01:01<cesurasean>how do i fix this?
01:01<moldovean>MAf, are you using debian ?
01:01<Efreak>I think there's also a youtube player, isnt there?
01:01<kenyon>!info youtube-dl
01:01<cesurasean>im using iceweasel and want to play youtube
01:01<MAf>ya using debian i have fedora in other wana know how to play youtube videos in fedora
01:02<cesurasean>is there anyway to play youtube videos using squeeze?
01:02<Efreak>totem plays them, it says
01:02<Efreak>cesurasean: sign up for the html5 beta
01:02<Efreak>no need for flash
01:03<MAf>i did install flash player for fedora but it saying ndwrapper available and it is latest
01:03<Efreak>(on most videos)
01:03<MAf>but it is no tplaying youtube videos
01:03<K0JIbKA>As well as any browser provided with flash-plugins
01:03<moldovean>MAf, uname -r , says ?
01:04<jm_>this channel is about debian, you should ask some other channel for fedora issues
01:04<K0JIbKA>See how to install it in your package manager
01:04<MAf>how can i change my channel here is not any channel for backtrack and linux
01:04<moldovean> 06:12<moldovean> MAf, go ask in #backtrack-linux on
01:04<cesurasean>Efreak, cesurasean: sign up for the html5 beta. what?
01:04<Efreak>HTML5 doesn't require flash to play videos in the browser
01:04<jm_>!tell maf -about bt4
01:05<MAf>wht about bt4
01:05<cesurasean>how do i install html5?
01:05<Efreak>chromium has it
01:05<Efreak>firefox might under linux, not sure
01:05<Efreak>it does under windows
01:05<cesurasean>how do i install chrome?
01:05<Efreak>apt-get install chromium
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01:06<kenyon>!tell cesurasean about chromium
01:06<Efreak>you could look for chromium in synaptic; if it has a codecs package, you'll want to install that too (in ubuntu they're separate)
01:06<moldovean>,versions chromium
01:06<judd>chromium -- lenny:; sid:; squeeze:
01:06<cesurasean>Efreak, do you mind helping me find out the package name for the codec?
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01:07<Efreak>cesurasean: which version of debian?
01:07<moldovean>64 bit ?
01:07<dpkg>w32codecs is a <non-free> package not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as DivX ;-), RealAudio/RealVideo, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia>. If you are looking for similar plugins for <gstreamer>, then look at the gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg packages.
01:07<Efreak>gimme a few min
01:07<Efreak>different codecs, moldovean
01:07<cesurasean>chrominum didnt install to my applications menu?
01:07<dpkg>Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations, ask about <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation.
01:08<Efreak>package name is chromium
01:08<cesurasean>chromium is installed
01:08<cesurasean>but not in my menu
01:08<koushik>Efreak, I haven't used a u3 device b4. This is a WD 1TB ultraportable (model: WDBABM0010BBK-EESN, Everytime I connect I get 2 mounts - 1 actual HDD and another udf partition which is an ro - intented to look like a virtual CD.
01:08<cesurasean>applications menu
01:08<Efreak>dont install chromium, sorry
01:08<K0JIbKA>I thought it uses google repository
01:08<Efreak>thats a game
01:09<Efreak>install chromium-browser
01:09<kenyon>read what the bot tells you
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01:09<koushik>Efreak, started re-formatting anyways. btw, I am very curious to know where this udf partition is... gparted doesn't seem to be aware...
01:09<MAf>what is dpkg ?
01:09<Efreak>koushik: I don't actually know anything about it; thats just what I've heard
01:09<Efreak>as I said, I'm not an expert
01:09<kenyon>!tell MAf about dpkg
01:09<cesurasean>what do you mean read what the bot tells me?
01:10<cesurasean>do i have to install flash onto chromium?
01:10<cesurasean>or does it come prepackaged?
01:10<Efreak>flash is separate, but if you're using html5, you don't need flash
01:10<MAf>don't know it is like artificial intelligence chat ?
01:10<koushik>Efreak, ok, cool.
01:10<cesurasean>so do i need to install html5?
01:10<kenyon>cesurasean: I mean read what dpkg tells you
01:10<Efreak>in order for youtube to use html5, you have to join the html5 beta; it sets a cookie on your computer (i think) that tells youtube to use the html5 player
01:11<MAf>dpkg is asshole was talking different from my words
01:11<dpkg>MAf: are you smoking crack?
01:11<MAf>not yet
01:11<cesurasean>Efreak, how do i install flash for chromium?
01:11<cesurasean>and how do i install html5?
01:11<kenyon>cesurasean: you can't "install" HTML 5.
01:11<Efreak>chromium supports html5
01:11<cesurasean>please elaborate for me
01:12<cesurasean>so i have to tell youtube to list in html5
01:12<MAf>d6kg saying tht i m talking about him here
01:12<Efreak>html5 is the new/upcoming html standard, and most browsers (ff, chrome) already support it at least partially
01:12<MAf>wow tht is ai chatter ?
01:12<K0JIbKA>Use same way you install any packagge
01:12<cesurasean>how do i install flash player, and does it even work for chromium?
01:12<Efreak>cesurasean: once you have chromium running, go to
01:12<moldovean>cesurasean, ask the bot /msg dpkg flash
01:14<Efreak>flashplugin-nonfree is the package name
01:14<Efreak>but what I've been saying this whole time is that if you enter the html5 beta, you dont need to worry about flash at all
01:16<cesurasean>ok, i went to that site and joined the beta
01:16<cesurasean>chromium errors out with videos too
01:17<cesurasean>Efreak, the html5 beta doesn't seem to work, and also flashplugin-nonfree is not a correct package name
01:17<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is <non-free>. The easiest way to install it is with the flashplayer-mozilla package from <>; there is also a flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package for testing users, or from Ask me about <dmm> <bpo> <non-free>. WARNING: installing flashplugin-nonfree will NOT automatically keep the plugin updated.
01:17<moldovean>cesurasean, ^^
01:18<cesurasean>flashplugin-nonfree does not work
01:18<cesurasean>not a valid package name
01:18<kenyon>cesurasean: you didn't read what the bot told you
01:18<moldovean>cesurasean, you troll
01:19<cesurasean> flashplayer-mozilla package from <>
01:19<cesurasean>doesnt that require a new repo?
01:19<cesurasean>moldovean, you faggot
01:20<cesurasean>I JUST WANT TO GET FLASH WORKING. please help me, someone.
01:20<cesurasean>that package does not exist
01:20<kenyon>why should anyone help you?
01:20<cesurasean>and im not sure how to add the repo for the multimedia
01:20<koushik>kenyon, sry i overlooked ur response. here is the pastebin link:
01:20<moldovean>cesurasean, go read
01:20<Efreak>flashplayer-mozilla sounds like something for firefox to me..
01:20<cesurasean>me too
01:21<cesurasean>i think i already have it installed, anyways
01:21<Efreak>make sure you typed it correctly
01:21<cesurasean>why does chrome not show videos?
01:21<Efreak>and do a search in synaptic for flashplayer
01:21<koushik>kenyon, the first line is when I removed the drive to reconnect and "tap" the messages
01:21<kenyon>koushik: yeah, it sees the virtual CD-ROM as a separate device, so formatting the hard drive should be fine
01:21<cesurasean>no, the package name is wrong, and the helper bot is out of date
01:21<moldovean>there is also a flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package for testing users
01:22<moldovean>cesurasean, ^^ go read and stop trolling
01:22<cesurasean>moldovean, NO. there is not!
01:22<koushik>kenyon, thanks.
01:22<cesurasean>it has a different name, nowdays.
01:22<kenyon>cesurasean: no
01:22<moldovean>, versions flashplugin-nonfree
01:22<judd>flashplugin-nonfree -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1; lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.8.1~bpo50+1; sid/contrib: 1:2.8.1; squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8.1
01:22<K0JIbKA>;-)To be honest, I thought there's only one English on Earth
01:22<moldovean>cesurasean, ^^
01:22<cesurasean>what repo?
01:23<moldovean> squeeze/contrib:
01:24<cesurasean>Package flashplugin-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package.
01:24<cesurasean>im pretty sure you are wrong, buddy.
01:24<kenyon>!tell cesurasean about contrib
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01:24<moldovean>cesurasean, add contrib to your sources.list
01:24<K0JIbKA>cesurasean: try to see some Help menu in your Desktop Environment
01:24<cesurasean>deb squeeze contrib
01:24<cesurasean>like this?
01:25<Hydroxide>that would work
01:25<Efreak>apt-get update && apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
01:25<Efreak>then run that
01:25<K0JIbKA>As root you mean
01:25<moldovean>Efreak, cesurasean use aptitude
01:26<cesurasean>Package flashplugin-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package.
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01:26<kenyon>!why aptitude
01:26<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>).
01:26<cesurasean>No candidate version found for flashplugin-nonfree
01:27<Hydroxide>cesurasean: are you running squeeze in general or are you running lenny?
01:27<moldovean>cesurasean, change the mirror : deb squeeze contrib
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01:28<cesurasean>ok, deb squeeze contrib worked
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01:29<cesurasean>ok so how do i switch youtube to html5?
01:29<cesurasean>just by clicking that one link?
01:29<cesurasean>why didn't it change for me?
01:29<cesurasean>You are currently in the HTML5 beta.
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01:31<Efreak>now go try to watch a youtube video
01:31<Efreak>I recommend search for the oregon trail trailor
01:33<K0JIbKA>That was a piece of something ;-)
01:34<cesurasean>how come videos have no sound?
01:34<K0JIbKA>C'mon, there's always a help package or similar around!
01:36<K0JIbKA>With a speed of your typing it'll take a second to study any 'man' page
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01:38<cesurasean>anyone know why i don't get sound in the flash videos???
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01:39<ffws>wrong mixer settings?
01:39<K0JIbKA>Use oss/alsa mixer for that
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01:42<cesurasean>how do i go back to your asla? instead of OSS? or, is that not my problem with not being able to hear youtube videos?
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01:43<cesurasean>how do i fix youtube videos to have sound on my system???
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01:43<kenyon>could be, since alsa is pretty much the standard now
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01:45<cesurasean>kenyon, how do i switch back to alsa?
01:45<cesurasean>and remove OSS?
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01:46<cesurasean>what packages are neded for asla?
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01:47<jm_>with your questions I highly doubt you have OSS
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01:47<cesurasean>i do have OSS
01:47<cesurasean>either help me, or not
01:47<cesurasean>quit all this shit talking
01:48<cesurasean>how do i make sure asla is installed correctly?
01:48<cesurasean>what are the packages names? PLEASE?
01:48<K0JIbKA>cesurasean: what package manager do you use?
01:48<jm_>no I won't help you, fuck off
01:49<K0JIbKA>What desktop environment do you use?
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01:50<l337>debain server
01:50<K0JIbKA>tonsofpcs: seems more like motorola/nokia to me
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01:50<cesurasean>how do i restart alsa?
01:51<l337>try logging out
01:51<l337>and logging back in
01:52<K0JIbKA>Is he bot?
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01:52<l337>are there bots on these servers?
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01:53<K0JIbKA>Who-a-a! I got tired to read that, but that was fun not as usual;)
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01:54<l337>alright whats the big idea?
01:54<l337>someone explain
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02:00<cmot>Anything known about fsck.ext3 problems where a fsck on an 1T partition will always go into a tight endless loop on the CPU?
02:00<cmot>(strace on the process shows no output, vmstat shows no disk activity.)
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02:01<cmot>unfortunately, this is a etch based debian derivative (ucs), e2fsprogs is 1.39+1.40-WIP-2006.11.14+dfsg-2.25.200710190336
02:02<cmot>kill -TERM won't do anything either. kill -KILL is needed
02:02<K0JIbKA>Bought PSPgo for my son's birthday recently. It's a pity Playstation Network doesn't supply software other than M$ type. Googling gave no release. I think I'd better start a new project at Sourceforge or Freshmeat. The prototype for desired software should be Playstation media manager 'Media Go'. Comments?
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02:02<meejah> implies people have been successful with grub booting macmini3,1 without rEFIt but i haven't been able to, with 5.05 (lenny) installer or recent testing installer. i've tried installing grub-efi-amd64 before rebooting the first time, tried partitioning via OS-X and installer (and parted by hand) but haven't been able to get it to work withouth rEFIt.
02:03<jm_>did you also install the boot loader after installing the package?
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02:05<meejah>via grub-update/install-grub yes
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02:08<moldovean>meejah, see #grub on
02:08<meejah>i've also never seen the built-in bootloader recognize the linux partition as bootable (held down option)
02:08<meejah>thanks moldovean
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02:13<dpkg>[ps3] The PlayStation 3 is a video game console, known for having a Blu-ray drive and storage capacities of up to 250GB. It utilizes the cell processor, based on ppc64 with eight vector processing units. <Debian Live> Sid for PS3 is at . You may easily try and/or install Debian GNU/Linux with <debootstrap>, installing Linux is disabled on the PS3 slim (PS3 CECH-2000). #debian-ps3 on
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02:30<SasanRose>Hi guys, i'm trying to install dropr (a php message queue) on my debian, but i'm keep receiving this error: update-rc.d: error: insserv rejected the script header, i google it it seems a bug (not dropr's) but i neeed dropr right now, cat /etc/debian_version => squeeze/sid
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02:31<light>so hows everyones night so far?
02:32<SasanRose>any idea?
02:32<light>not @ the moment man
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02:33<SasanRose>i'm sorry?
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02:35<moldovean>, versions dropr
02:35<judd>Sorry, no package named 'dropr' was found.
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02:36<moldovean>SasanRose, from where is coming that 'dropr' ?
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02:37<SasanRose>i'm sorry you are right it's not a debian package, it's an opensource project, but i can easily install and run the daemon in lenny
02:38<moldovean>wait you said squeeze/sid , before
02:38<SasanRose>yeah, i can install it on lenny but not on squeeze/sid
02:40<falsecat>Hi all, sorry if this is asked already but I have an issue upgrading lenny->squeeze, even just upgrading apt fails (aptitude: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.7-6-4.6 which is a virtual package.) it looks suspiciously like this bug, except that bug was supposedly fixed in May 2009 - any ideas?
02:40<ffws>because sid is using lsb headers and lenny not?
02:40<moldovean>SasanRose, as 3-rd party package its your duty to figure out , debian won't support it anyways
02:42<SasanRose>moldovean: yeah man thanks, but i didn't ask for supports, i just needed some clues to figure it out
02:42<ffws>SasanRose: check if it is related to missing lsb headers
02:44<K0JIbKA>falsecat: did you think of clean install instead?
02:44<SasanRose>let me ask my question this way, where can i find logs about this error? error: update-rc.d: error: insserv rejected the script header
02:45<SasanRose>i checked in dmesg and /var/log/syslog
02:45<SasanRose>but nothing was there
02:45<falsecat>K0JIbKA: I am testing out the upgrade from lenny->squeeze in a VM in preparation for doing that on a server - just to get an idea of how it works, I started with a clean, default Lenny install
02:46<falsecat>I've done lenny->squeeze upgrades successfully before, this one has me really stumped though, looks like some strange dependencies
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02:48<K0JIbKA>falsecat: Me myself prefere clean install with proper backup. As per experience there's a lot of partition problems otherwise
02:48<SasanRose>ffws: it seems that it's related to them
02:49<ffws>SasanRose: then adjust the init script
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02:50<SasanRose>ffws: thanks man
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02:55<falsecat>K0JIbKA: sorry clean install is not an option for me here - ability to do in-place upgrade is one main reason of choosing debian
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02:56<jm_>!missing lsb tags
02:56<dpkg>From squeeze onwards, Debian is using a dependency-based boot sequence (see /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.Debian). This requires that all init scripts have appropriate headers in them so that the correct order of execution can be determined. Scripts like S25libdevmapper1.02 are left over from Sarge and can be deleted; your own scripts will need LSB headers added:
02:56<jm_>doh too alte
02:56<K0JIbKA>falsecat: Don't be. But I think server will be out for upgrade time anyway?
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02:58<falsecat>anyone have an idea for how to diagnose this type of issue ie a dependency problem when upgrading a package (aptitude: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.7-6-4.6 which is a virtual package). So that is a virtual package - but not sure how to find out what provides it or whether that's just a symptom of some other problem? I've done dist-upgrades successfully in past
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03:01<moldovean>falsecat, uname -r , says
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03:03<falsecat>2.6.26-2-686. But I get the same issue when attempting to upgrade the kernel
03:04<falsecat>As in it says, "aptitude: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.7-6-4.6 which is a virtual package"
03:04<falsecat>dunno why it's trying to upgrade apt when I put in aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686
03:05<falsecat>but it goes on to offer a bunch of suggested solutions, including removing things like aptitude, and gnome, and a whole bunch of stuff...
03:05<jm_>falsecat: apt provides that
03:05<moldovean>dpkg, lenny->squeeze
03:05<dpkg>See <squeeze udev> you may need to upgrade your kernel from bpo first. Then remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile) or bpo, then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` ; reboot; aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>, <squeeze release notes>.
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03:07<falsecat>so you recommend going via the BPO kernel first? is that likely to be a requirement once squeeze is stable ie will this just be a temporary problem?
03:07<moldovean>, depends aptitude
03:07<judd>aptitude -- depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.7-6-4.6, libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libcwidget3, libept0 (>= 0.5.22), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libncursesw5 (>= 5.6+20071006-3), libsigc++-2.0-0c2a (>= 2.0.2), libstdc++6 (>= 4.2.1), libxapian15, zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4).
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03:08<falsecat>Yeah so it shows aptitude now depends on this libapt-pkg-libc6.7-6-4.6 but that seems to be breaking it? Sorry, I'm not really an expert here
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03:09<moldovean>, versions libapt-pkg-libc6.7-6-4.6
03:09<judd>Sorry, no package named 'libapt-pkg-libc6.7-6-4.6' was found.
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03:12<moldovean>falsecat, paste your sources.list , please
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03:15<falsecat>moldovean it's at
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03:15<falsecat>Commenting out the security repo was a troubleshooting step, it changed nothing
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03:16<moldovean>try to change 'testing' to 'squeeze'
03:17<falsecat>Yep I've tried it with "squeeze" isntead. Sorry, another troubleshooting step
03:17<moldovean>falsecat, and comment line 2 + 3
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03:19<moldovean>falsecat, but it seems it's a server , isn't it ?
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03:20<falsecat>moldovean, I've made the change to sources.list, having only the one "squeeze" line, and aptitude upgrade && aptitude install apt still has that problem
03:21<falsecat>Where its solution is to remove a whole lot of packages including aptitude and gnome, also synaptic, ...
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03:23<moldovean>falsecat, let it go , new versions of aptitude gnome, will be installed later
03:23<moldovean> , versions gnome
03:23<moldovean>, versions gnome
03:23<judd>gnome -- etch: 1:; lenny: 1:2.22.2~5; sid: 1:2.30+1; squeeze: 1:2.30+1
03:25<falsecat>moldovean: as in, new versions are coming to squeeze during the freeze?
03:26<moldovean>no, just after reboot in new kernel and run safe-upgrade + full-upg
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03:27<falsecat>Ok so I should try 2.6.32 from backports, then reboot, then try safe-upgrade then full-upgrade?
03:27<moldovean>falsecat, no
03:28<moldovean> See <squeeze udev> you may need to upgrade your kernel from bpo first. Then remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile) or bpo, then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` ; reboot; aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>, <squeeze release notes>.
03:28<moldovean>squeeze udev
03:28<moldovean>dpkg, squeeze udev
03:28<dpkg>As of <udev> 150 in squeeze, Linux kernel 2.6.27 or newer is required (i.e. upgrade kernel and udev at the same time). If udev installation fails and you already have a squeeze kernel installed, then reboot into the new kernel and "aptitude -f install ; aptitude safe-upgrade" to continue. See also <squeeze kernel>, <kernel abi>,
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03:33<moldovean>falsecat, do as bot recommend ()
03:33<falsecat>Ok I am going to try with the kernel via BPO now. presumably squeeze will be fixed so you can cleanly upgrade to it from lenny before it becomes a release, I guess? As in, it should take care of all the dependencies required in one go when you do a full-upgrade?
03:35<falsecat>cool thanks for your help so far, just installed a 2.6.32 kernel from backports and rebooting...
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03:47<falsecat>moldovean unfortunately that hasn't solved the problem but it did at least allow me to install the 2.6.32-5-686 kernel. But I still have the same issue upgrading apt (aptitude: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.7-6-4.6 which is a virtual package)
03:49<falsecat>so thanks for at least helping me install the new kernel, via the BPO kernel, but installing squeeze still seems to elude me, or at least aptitude still says it can't do it without removing aptitude and a bunch of other stuff - sill really looks like bu 527399
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03:56<dominick>Hi! How do I open .shtml pages in iceweasel? It promts for a download of the page when I click the link
03:57<Lethalman>dominick, those only work in an http server with server-side includes enabled
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03:57<dominick>thanks Lethalman!!
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03:57<Lethalman>dominick, if you want to see them locally anyway, just rename them to .html
03:57<Lethalman>but you won't see them complete
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04:02<Sigur>hi all! I'm going to format my laptop and put debian testing on it. just a question: shall i use a stable netinstall and then upgrade to testing, or it's better to use one of the daily snapshots?
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04:05<locklace>Sigur: these days the alpha installer for testing seems to be more reliable than a lenny->squeeze upgrade. you can try it and fall back to the latter if you have trouble
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04:08<Sigur>ok, i'll give a shot to this alpha installer. thanks for your help
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04:10<cesurasean>Ok, I always have "new updates" in the top right corner. how do i remove this check, so i can update when i feel like it?
04:10<cesurasean>ive gone to properties and change notify me of updates, but it still shows up
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04:22<dpkg>Adobe Shockwave Player is non-free software not available for GNU/Linux. For "Shockwave Flash", ask me about <flash>.
04:22<dpkg>Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations, ask about <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation.
04:22<tosted>!adobe flash
04:22<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is <non-free>. The easiest way to install it is with the flashplayer-mozilla package from <>; there is also a flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package for testing users, or from Ask me about <dmm> <bpo> <non-free>. WARNING: installing flashplugin-nonfree will NOT automatically keep the plugin updated.
04:23<babilen>tosted: You can "/msg dpkg <topic>" -- ask dpkg about "msg the bot"
04:23<tosted>!deb multimedia source
04:23<dpkg>Please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit to learn how to effectively use the factoids database, or ask me about <bot help> <help>
04:23<babilen>tosted: ^^^^^
04:24<Alvin> running squeeze how can I get my nautilus to automount ext4 and reiser4 disks when plugged in
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04:27<babilen>Alvin: No idea - you might want to ask in #ext4
04:27<babilen>Or in whatever channel is appropriate for nautilus (#nautilus ?) on
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04:28<babilen>Alvin: Can you mount the drives manually (from within nautilus) ?
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04:37<Alvin>cannot mount the drives manually
04:37<Alvin>I have to allow nautilus to see ext4 and reiser4 disks
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04:41<tosted>Alvin, just go lxterm an type: mount -o rw "your device" /mnt
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04:43<Sigur>which fs should i choose for my "data" partition? any suggestion?
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04:45<locklace>Sigur: ext4's not too bad as of the squeeze kernel
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04:49<Sigur>ok, so this well be my first windows-free ext4-flavoured format
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04:56<Sigur>it's ok to set no mount point for the data partition during the installation? I can set it later, in te fstab, can't I?
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05:09<Elvedin>hi people, can anyone help me to confirming that link:,44.81852,15.87676,44.8304 does or does not work?
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05:15<Archiater>Hello guys. I'm trying to get local mirror for PXE installation of debian lenny. In the middle of install i'm getting message "No installable kernel was found". Here is my mirror.list Am I forgetting something? BTW sorry for my english, I know it's pretty bad =(
05:16<Archiater>Elvedin, yeap link is ok, i'm getting download notice from it.
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05:18<Elvedin>thanks a lot Archiater.
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05:19<Archiater>You are welcome
05:21<Archiater>So, does any one know what else need to be mirrored for fully working PXE install?
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06:04<the-dude>Archiater: are you using a preseed file?
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06:05<Archiater>the-dude, Not yet
06:05<Archiater>the-dude, just booting from pxe
06:06<the-dude>Archiater: it boots the debian-installer?
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06:06<Archiater>the-dude, yeap, and i'm stuck on Install base system stage
06:07<the-dude>Archiater: it tries to use a mirror on the internet?
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06:09<Archiater>the-dude: no, and that's the question i'm asking, i have mirrored using apt-mirror tool, than i'm givin my local vsftp server to installer and it going all the way to downloading kernel binary and than it sucks
06:09<the-dude>Archiater: and did you take a look at the logfiles to see why it fails?
06:10<the-dude>is the installer able to get any file or non of them?
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06:12<Archiater>the-dude: Installer getting all files normaly, except kernel, last message from anna is base-installer: info: Found kernels ''
06:12<Archiater>the-dude: One second i'll check ftp logs
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06:14<Archiater>the-dude: Well it's going more and more weird, ftp logs says that client failed to download /debian/dists/lenny/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz
06:15<Archiater>the-dude: But it's exist and it's downloading normaly when i'm trying to access it from ftp client
06:16<Archiater>the-dude: Is there any way that anna have problems working with not anonymouse ftps?
06:16<Sigur>my keyboard layout is wrog, and running dpkg-reconfigure console-data won't help... what can I do?
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06:34<locklace>Sigur: edit /etc/default/keyboard maybe
06:35<dpkg>Lenny users: To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", ask me about <drxx>, use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments. Squeeze users: "dpkg-reconfigure console-setup" for both console and X.
06:35<Archiater>OMG, i have solved problem, but it's driving me crazy =_=
06:36<Archiater>Somehow it's gone through chroot lock in vsftpd user dir, where packages located, and started searching in rootfs =\
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07:35<raph_ael>well chosen nick
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07:53<JOSEMA>ai alhien
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07:59<ludus>hello, could someone please help me with some doubts? =)
08:00<Archiater>ludus: If you say what doubts, i'll think about it =)
08:00<ludus>hehe I'm starting with Linux and I'm trying the at command at the moment
08:01<ludus>ive googled all around and read the man at
08:01<ludus>but it's still not working
08:01<jm_>how are you using it?
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08:02<ludus>I've tried loads of combinations... but for example:
08:02<ludus>at -f now + 1 minute
08:03<jm_>do you want to execute what's in
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08:03<jm_>echo /path/to/ | at now + 1 min...
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08:05<ludus>warning: commands will be executed using /bin/sh
08:05<ludus>job 43 at Fri Aug 20 14:05:00 2010
08:05<ludus>Can't open /var/run/ to signal atd. No atd running?
08:05<ludus>but it doesn't do anything at 14.05
08:05<jm_>Can't open /var/run/ to signal atd. No atd running?
08:05<jm_>did you verify this?
08:06<ludus>That's actually the first time it says that... and I've been trying the whole morning
08:06<Archiater>ps ax | grep atd ?
08:06<ludus>ps ax | grep atd
08:06<ludus> 1691 pts/0 S+ 0:00 grep --color=auto atd
08:07<Archiater>try sudo /usr/sbin/atd
08:07<Archiater>seems like no atd runing =\
08:07<ludus>I'll be right back (15 min)... Sorry and thanks for the help! :P
08:07<jm_>no, use its init script instead
08:08<Archiater>well atd init script does nothing besides log_daemon msg =\
08:08<Archiater>and starting atd ofcourse
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08:11<Archiater>-_- debian preseeding sucks =( Or maybe handbook selection of it, is there any way to start some other sh script from it?
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08:11<Archiater>*hanbook section
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08:15<the-dude>preseeding works fine
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08:17<felixs>oops :)
08:18<Archiater>the-dude: Well as i understood, i can set onlu options i've been asked through normal install? For example i want some packages installed on system right after install how can i automate that?
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08:20<ludus>Sorry for that. I'm back =)
08:21<ludus>Archiater are you still there?
08:21<Archiater>Yep, so try to start atd daemon
08:21<Archiater>sudo /etc/init.d/atd
08:21<Archiater>or sudo /usr/sbin/atd
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08:23<Archiater>hm... I supouse that wasn't my fault? ._.
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08:24<the-dude>Archiater: you can add packages with d-i pkgsel/include string or with d-i preseed/late_command string apt-install puppet
08:24<ludus>Archiater, Linux restarted when I typed what you said
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08:25<Archiater>hm, weird. Let me try on my pc
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08:26<ludus>anyway, now it restarted it doesnt say anything about atd anymore... as it didn't say before (when using at command)
08:26<Archiater>the-dude, thanks, i'll try it in few minutes
08:26<Archiater>And atd is running? check via ps
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08:27<Archiater>ps ax | grep atd
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08:27<Archiater>it shoud say something like /usr/sbin/atd
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08:27<ludus>960 ? Ss 0:00 atd
08:27<ludus> 1644 pts/0 S+ 0:00 grep --color=auto atd
08:27<ludus>it says this
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08:28<Archiater>hm now try to run something using at? does it work?
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08:29<ludus>Nop, I typed:
08:29<ludus>jorge@jorge-laptop:~$ at now + 1 minute
08:29<ludus>warning: commands will be executed using /bin/sh
08:29<ludus>at> shutdown -r now
08:29<ludus>at> <EOT>
08:29<ludus>job 45 at Fri Aug 20 14:29:00 2010
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08:29<ludus>ups, sorry for that
08:29<ludus>well, it still doesn't do anything at the programmed time
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08:30<MTristan>I'm having an issue with debian squeeze, Linux kernel 2.6.32, xorg and catalyst 10.7
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08:31<Archiater>hm weird, i typed samed command on fresh debian lenny install and it worked correctly
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08:32<MTristan>X won't start since today
08:32<Archiater>ludus, Wait, try same command but from root =\
08:32<ludus>already tried
08:32<ludus>ill try again anyway
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08:33<Archiater>Hehe, seems working for me =)
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08:34<ludus>It misteriously worked
08:34<ludus>Ill try opening the .sh
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08:36<Archiater>ludus, well it's looks like at daemon just wasnt running, when you have rebooted last time it's gone up and working
08:37<ludus>I'm trying some other commands and they dont't work, which is quite stupid
08:38<rpetre>ludus: is atd started?
08:39<Archiater>btw i'm dont actuly sure where at stdout pointing to =\
08:40<ludus>I suppose it is :S
08:40<ludus>But it just won't execute the programmed commands/scripts
08:40<Archiater>ls -l /path/to/ ?
08:41<ludus>-rwxr-xr-x 1 jorge jorge 75 2010-08-20 12:52 /home/jorge/Documentos/
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08:42<Archiater>hm, what does it do? maybe you need su permissions for it? =\
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08:42<ludus>nop, if I just type ./ it works
08:42<ludus>just moves the mouse to a location
08:42<Archiater>you expecting some output to stdout?
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08:43<ludus>sorry? I'm very very beginner
08:43<Archiater>well, some output to term you working with?
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08:43<ludus>yes, if i execute the script it DOES move the mouse... but not by programming it
08:43<jm_>does it rely on DISPLAY variable?
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08:44<jm_>did you read your mail after submitting at request?
08:45<ludus>I havn't configured my mail so I didn't do the -m option
08:45<ludus>I tried something simple like this
08:45<ludus>at> mv
08:45<ludus>and it DID work
08:46<jm_>read about DISPLAY in man at
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08:47<ludus>I've actually read the whole thing
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08:48<Archiater>coud you post your script on pastebin?
08:49<ludus>I get kicked if y paste don't I?
08:49<Archiater>if you give up pastebin link it's ok
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08:50<ludus>#! /bin/bash
08:50<ludus>for i in 1
08:50<ludus> xdotool mousemove 20 40
08:50<ludus> xdotool click 1
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08:50<Archiater>I sad pastebin link =\
08:50<bremner>that's the experimental spirit
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08:50<ludus_>thanks ; )
08:50<Archiater>use pastebin link luke =\
08:51<bremner>better, use
08:52<shifty>doesn't at copy your environment, including DISPLAY, which seems to be required?
08:52<Archiater>shifty, nope, man says that DISPLAY and TERM not working
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08:52<Archiater>shifty, all other is ok anyway
08:52<ludus_>the thing is, it at worked with command "shutdown" or "mv" but it wont open the script or run command "xdotool"
08:53<shifty>Archiater: thanks. would not trust anything with DISPLAY short of a quick and dirty script ;-)
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08:54<shifty>a temporary, dirty script
08:54<space0022s>hi people
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08:55<space0022s>i need solve some proplem
08:55<Archiater>well, i don't sure but doesnt xdotool using DISPLAY? That's may be the answer =\
08:56<space0022s>i update my system but i not reload to load kernel
08:56<Archiater>try to run script from pty1 or others
08:56<Archiater>or ssh
08:57<ludus_>I don't now what ptyl or ssh are :P
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08:58<shifty>ludus_: try 'unset DISPLAY' enter, then run your script (from the same terminal)
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08:58<Archiater>shifty, well another way to test it =)
08:59<jm_>space0022s: did you actualyl install any new kernels?
08:59<ludus_>The script is working allrught... I mean, if I execute it directly it actually closes the windows (thats what its supposed to do)
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08:59<shifty>Archiater: quick and dirty. very stylish.
08:59<ludus_>Should i still do what you told me shifty?
08:59<shifty>ludus_: yes.
08:59<shifty>ludus_: bet you your script does not work
09:00<jm_>well I told him that about 10 minutes ago but he refuses to listen ...
09:00<ludus_>you just wan the bet
09:00<ludus_>I dont refuse to listen, I just dont understand what youre telling me
09:00<shifty>ludus_: right on. do you want me to explain why?
09:00<ludus_>please do
09:01<shifty>ludus_: ok. DISPLAY is the environment variable that tells graphic programs where to find the, er, display.
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09:01<Archiater>shifty, had to bet for a can of beer ;p
09:01<shifty>ludus_: when you run your graphical script from SOMEWHERE ELSE, it doesn't know where to display stuff
09:01<shifty>ludus_: (display stuff, or do stuff like close windows)
09:02<shifty>ludus_: THEREFORE, in a script RUNNING FROM 'at', you need to artifically tell it where the DISPLAY is.
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09:02<ludus_>aha, same thing happens with xdotool I suppose?
09:02<Archiater>ludus_, yep
09:02<shifty>Archiater: na, it'd just clog my irc pipe ;)
09:02<ludus_>ok =)
09:03<Archiater>ludus_, and most other xorg stuff i supouse
09:03<shifty>ludus_: so, open a terminal, type 'echo $DISPLAY'
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09:03<ludus_>what's the echo command for?
09:03<shifty>ludus_: it probably says ":0.0". echo says "print out whatever", and the "whatever" in this case happens to be the environment var (the $ bit) called DISPLAY
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09:04<ludus_>oh ok
09:04<ludus_>it just left a blank line
09:04<shifty>ludus_: in a graphics terminal?
09:04<ludus_>hhmm dunno, normal terminal :P
09:04<Archiater>ludus_, shifty, try to set DISPLAY var back :P
09:05<Archiater>ludus_, shifty, unsetting was a bit dirty =)
09:05<shifty>Archiater: oops...
09:05<ludus_>I have to undo the unset hingy or?
09:05<shifty>ludus_: if you can close that term and open another one?
09:05<shifty>ludus_: if you don't mind
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09:05<shifty>ludus_: try the echo $DISPLAY
09:06<aimtrainer>Hi! Can any of you please tell me if it makes a difference if I run a 32 or a 64 bit os in a vm?
09:06<shifty>ludus_: right on. now, near the top of your script (under the #!/bin/sh), add "DISPLAY=:0.0", on its own line. try running your script through 'at' again and report
09:07<ludus_>ok, thanks a lot shifty
09:07<shifty>ludus_: BE WARNED, it's not a stable solution. it just works because we know what your display is today... it's not always guaranteed to be the same tomorrow.
09:09<bremner>aimtrainer: in principle there is more memory used by a 64bit OS. And certain proprietary software does not work right
09:09<ludus_>is at -f ... time ok? or do i Have to put ./
09:09<Archiater>aimtrainer, well actualy for vm no diffrence i suppouse? novadays x86 vm is ok running x86_64 os. but if you running x86 on host better to run same arch on vm
09:10<Archiater>aimtrainer, a bit more fast in my case
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09:10<shifty>ludus_: don't know - I'm not an 'at' expert
09:11<ludus_>ok, ill try both
09:11<shifty>ludus_: what's the diff?
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09:13<shifty>ludus_: the first one. run your script though 'at' to test it properly.
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09:13<ludus_>it still does nothing
09:13<cakofony>Is there any way I can download a subset of packages from the official src repo from a different distro?
09:13<cakofony>I am performing metrics upon them
09:13<Archiater>cakofony, wget? :P
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09:14<cakofony>I kinda need a way to get the list of urls though >.<
09:15<petemc>the mirrors support ftp
09:15<ludus_>script works... but ive tried several at ways and it doesnt
09:15<Archiater>cakofony, debian repr is a normal ftp server, you just going to /debian/pool/<section>/<first-letter>/<package-name>
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09:16<ludus_>ups, just noticed a big error
09:16<cakofony>Archiater, Thanks!
09:16<shifty>ludus_: I'm afraid I haven't got an immediate solution, but I'd suggest the following: go find the logs from 'at'. Like jm_ said before, check your mail (or wherever the logs go)
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09:16<ludus_>ok thanks shifty... i just realized I typed DISPLAY=0.0 without : ... ill try again correctly
09:17<ludus_>but thanks anyway =)
09:17<shifty>ludus_: how long until the next results?
09:17<Archiater>ludus_, did you tried to export DISPLAY var from script? or you just used "DISPLAY=<value> syntax"?
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09:17<ludus_>at the moment this is written under bin/sh: DISPLAY=:0.0
09:17<shifty>Archiater: I don't think he needs export. but correct me if i'm wrong/
09:18<ludus_>soes it need the " " ?
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09:18<Archiater>ludus_, nope
09:18<ludus_>ok, ill try at again
09:18<Archiater>shifty, he using xdotool from script does he?
09:18<shifty>Archiater: apparently
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09:19<ludus_>nothing =(
09:19<shifty>ludus_: too bad mate.
09:19<Archiater>shifty, well maybe script DISPLAY value not overriding session val =\
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09:20<Archiater>ludus_, try to change it to "export DISPLAY=<your value>"
09:20<shifty>Archiater: at this point, I'd find my STDOUT/STDERR and punch in some diagnostic echo lines
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09:21<ludus_>my script looks like this, correct me if its wrong
09:21<ludus_>ill try the at again
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09:21<Archiater>shifty, normaly i'm to lazy to do that +_+ so i'm just doing googling :D
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09:22<ludus_>bravo Archiater
09:22<ludus_>it works!! :P
09:22<ludus_>thanks a lot to you both guys
09:22<Archiater>ludus_, you are welcome =)
09:22<ludus_>just one last question before leaving you alone
09:23<ludus_>is there a command for my script in order to make it wait some seconds between a command and another?
09:23<petemc>sleep N
09:23<ludus_>like wait(6) or something similar?
09:23<ludus_>N is seconds?
09:23<ludus_>great, thanks petemc
09:23<shifty>Archiater: why was the export required? ideas?
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09:24<Archiater>shifty, when you adding a variable to script, you just adding local variable, i suppouse xdotool ignored it and was looking for session var =\
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09:25<Archiater>shifty, and we gave it to him via export command =\
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09:26<ludus_>thanks guys, see you some other time! =)
09:26<shifty>Archiater: odd. maybe it gets its environ not from its parent but from elsewhere.
09:26<shifty>ludus_: no probs.
09:26<shifty>Archiater: nice teamwork.
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09:26<Archiater>shifty, you too =)
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09:27<Archiater>Ok i'm really need to get this preseed install working =\ I have about 30 pcs in my lab and a bunch of students destroing them every day =(
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09:41<bremner>you let them have root?
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09:41<Archiater>does any one knows full list of tasksel/desktop values?
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09:42<Archiater>bremner, well thay have a networking course so they need it =\
09:42<bremner>I see. Virtual machines don't cut it, I assume.
09:43<Archiater>bremnet, with amount of money university give up's on pcs? not an option =(
09:43<bremner>I don't understand your statement.
09:43<Archiater>bremnet, i have few P4 based here =\
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09:43<bremner>ah, OK
09:44<bremner>ps, try tab completion, it is cool
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09:45<Archiater>=)) well, when i have some time to lookup irrsi setting, i'll get aspell working and other cool stuf =)
09:46<Archiater>And maybe when I have some time to finish another english course =\
09:46<Archiater>Coz' my intermediate level slowly going to beginner +_+
09:48<Archiater>bremner: oh T_T I understood what that tab completion phrase was about
09:48<Archiater>bremner: thanks, didn't know about that =)))
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09:54<dominick>Hi! Need help configuring my mic. I'm on squeeze. I tried "alsactl init", and my sound started working. I'm using gnome and it's missing the volume control in both Application>Sound & Video, and on the panel. I tested my mic, changing volume levels from alsaconf, and tested using sound recorder, but it didn't help! any suggestions?
09:54<Archiater>Ok now another question, does the order of options in preseed file changes anything?
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10:01<kop>!tell dominick about alisa checksheet
10:01<kop>!tell dominick about alsa checklist
10:02<rpetre>Archiater: nope
10:02<kop>dominick: That may or may not help.
10:02<dominick>thanks kop, but I wanted to fix my mic, sound's working!
10:02<the-dude>Archiater: it can be
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10:03<Archiater>rpetre: thanks
10:03<AnOnImEn> /server 6667 vladimiranonimenov
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10:24<Archiater>Ok, i have put my preseed file in initrd. I'm suppose, I need to pass some custom options to kernel to tell where it is?
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10:25<the-dude>Archiater: why do you wan't to make it static?
10:26<Archiater>the-dude: Am, what do you mean saying static?
10:27<the-dude>Archiater: by putting a preseed file into your initrd, that sounds static
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10:27<Archiater>Oh, i get it. Well coz initrd is most stable way? Thats what handbook saying
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10:30<the-dude>why not add a preseed url to your kernel boot options?
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10:31<the-dude>Archiater: add "preseed/url=http://bla/preseed.conf
10:31<Archiater>the-dude: when you use preseed url, you need to go answer all qustions before network settings
10:31<Aleric>Is there something less bad than random_r()? That "random" function returns alternating an odd and an even value!?!
10:31<Archiater>the-dude: and i'm the lazies person in the world =)))))))
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10:31<the-dude>Archiater: why would you want to do that?
10:32*the-dude never does that
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10:32*the-dude just adds hostname=$hostname and then it installs
10:33<Archiater>the-dude: Well english is your native lang? And i'm from Russia %) I need additional support for my locale =)
10:33<locklace>Aleric: did you seed it
10:34<the-dude>Archiater: nope it is not, you can add locale aswell, my installation is in Dutch
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10:34<Aleric>locklace: Maybe I used a buffer that is too small.. but still. I used struct random_data rdata; int32_t rvalue; char rstatebuf[8]; initstate_r(0x1234, rstatebuf, sizeof(rstatebuf), &rdata);
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10:35<Archiater>hm, strange, Handbook says that "Setting localization values will only work if you are using initrd preseeding."
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10:36<the-dude>Archiater: that doesn't mean you have to put the preseedfile into your initrd
10:37<locklace>Aleric: why are you even using initstate
10:37<Archiater>the-dude: aaam? so what does initrd preseeding means than?
10:37<Aleric>locklace: It crashed without it.
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10:38<locklace>Aleric: try with just srandom and then random
10:38<definebyte>anyone know if it's possible to filter out packages with certain dependencies - i.e. x11 - with aptitude? i'm running without a GUI so i'd really prefer it if they didn't show up in any of the views.
10:39<Aleric>Segmentation fault
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10:40<Aleric>I think you need initstate_r for the _r variants.
10:40<the-dude> Archiater I dunno waht they mean ,but I know it works :)
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10:50<locklace>Aleric: crappily documented nonstandard glibc extensions
10:50<locklace>Aleric: anyway, works fine for me with initstate_r and a 64-byte state buffer
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10:51<Aleric>k, thanks. I'm using a larger buffer now
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11:37<cassio>Boa tarde a todos!
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11:52<Aleric>(that was NOT me)
11:52<Cygnus>jpinx-eeepc: hi
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11:58<Cygnus>If i set up the squeeze repos and i try to install one package from them will aptitude screw the whole lenny install trying to update every single package or will it hold its ground and do only as instructed?
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11:59<jordanm>Cygnus: you should not mix releases
11:59<jordanm>!tell Cygnus about ssb
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12:00<jordanm>Cygnus: backporting from source packages is much safer
12:00<kop>!tell Cygnus about bpo
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12:00<kop>!tell Cygnus about volatile
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12:04<Cygnus>kop: neither volatile or bpo have the package i am looking. And doing all the research on the dependencies it seems that they are met by lenny also, i wanted to skip the ssb part. But it seems there is no way
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12:04<jordanm>Cygnus: there are ways, but they are not recommended
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12:06<Cygnus>jordanm: This is only speculation. Using wget and dpkg -i could avoid ssb right ? (I understand that i would be alone if something brakes down)
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12:06<jordanm>Cygnus: yes
12:07<Cygnus>jordanm: thx
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12:12<simonw>Where do I find the archaic package libdb4.7_4.7.25-6_amd64.deb -- for the day I downloaded the i386 version (2009-03-03) doesn't obviously have it. Debian can't decide if it should be in /d/b or /libd, google he says it use to exist so it is probably in snapshots somewhere, which means it is in an archive (I hope)
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12:16<simonw>Ah snapshot has a search facility - excuse my blindness
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12:32<dentifrice>hey there - what filesize are we talking about when creating an ext3/4 filesystem with the -T largesize and -T largesize4 options?
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12:33<Elessar>largesize is for files of more than 4 GiB, I think.
12:33<dentifrice>Elessar: uh, that's a lot
12:33<dentifrice>Elessar: and largefile4 would be for even bigger files?
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12:34<Elessar>I think so.
12:34<Elessar>Let me check.
12:34<Elessar>Yes, largefile is for 2 GiB.
12:34<dentifrice>Elessar: thanks - do you have a pointer to share ?
12:34<dentifrice>Elessar: I looked everywhere w/o success
12:35<Elessar>The manpage of tune2fs.
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12:36<dentifrice>Elessar: hmm, I'm not sure it's the same option
12:36<Elessar>Oh, yes, indeed, sorry.
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12:37<Elessar>Well, -T options of mke2fs are in fact selectors for groups of pre-defined parameters optimized for a each usage type.
12:37<Elessar>And these are defined in /etc/mke2fs.conf.
12:38<retrospe1tacus>I left my computer at home running, I usually press the power button and click "Suspend" in the popup (Squeeze, Gnome, nVidia)... I am ssh'd in now, how can I suspend it in the same manner?
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12:38<Elessar>retrospectacus: You may try echo mem > /sys/power/state
12:39<Elessar>retrospectacus: This is a rather raw method, though, so it may crash some things.
12:39<retrospectacus>that file currently says "mem disk"
12:40<Elessar>Yes, these are the available sleeping states.
12:40<retrospectacus>alright I'll try it
12:40<retrospectacus>hopefully my house isn't burnt down when I get home
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12:42<retrospectacus>well the terminal locked up, I guess it worked
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12:43<dentifrice>Elessar: this looks like an answer:
12:44<felixs>retrospectacus: you may want to try the hibernate package. works fine without gui overhead.
12:45<Elessar>retrospectacus: It worked, but the waking up may not be as cool as you may want it to be.
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12:47<Elessar>retrospectacus: Now imagine that the processor is in fact locked on an endless loop, and the fan controller is blocked at speed zero as a side effet. Your house might be burnt when you get home. ;-)
12:47<retrospectacus>I will see in about 10 hours
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12:48<retrospectacus>or I might hear the sirens from here
12:48<Elessar>(in fact real life computers are not made by so silly people, the halt or reboot when they sense a critical temperature)
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13:11<unixabg>Greetings, I am needing some assistance on how to apply a lang.po translation file to a package?
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13:19<NickyP>Any have this card and a working ati driver? 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Cedar PRO [Radeon HD 5450]
13:19<locklace>NickyP: rerun lspci with -nn and paste the line again
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13:22<NickyP>lovelace: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc Cedar PRO [Radeon HD 5450] [1002:68f9]
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13:22<locklace>,pciid 1002:68f9
13:22<judd>[1002:68f9] is 'Cedar PRO [Radeon HD 5450]' from 'ATI Technologies Inc' with kernel module 'ati-agp' in lenny. See also and the out-of-tree 'fglrx' module.
13:22<jordanm>I don't think lenny's does actually support that...
13:23<jordanm>confirmed that lenny fgrlx does not, but I believe there is a backport
13:23<jordanm>,versions fglrx-drivers
13:23<judd>Sorry, no package named 'fglrx-drivers' was found.
13:23<jordanm>,versions fglrx-glx
13:24<judd>fglrx-glx -- etch-backports/non-free: 8.47.3-3~bpo40+1; lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4; lenny-backports/non-free: 1:10-4-1~bpo50+1; sid/non-free: 1:10-7-1; squeeze/non-free: 1:10-7-1
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13:24<NickyP>locklace command not found
13:25<jordanm>what command?
13:25<jordanm>NickyP: thats a command for the channel bot, judd
13:25<jordanm>as you can see by the immediate reply
13:25<dominick>Hi! Can you suggest a good audio CD burner which can preserve track information from .flac files? I tried brasero, it showed the track information while burning, but the info doesn't display in my CD Player.
13:26<NickyP>so there is a squeeze package
13:26<jordanm>dominick: I use k3b because I find brasero to be buggy at times. not sure if it fits your needs
13:26<jordanm>NickyP: what version of debian are you running?
13:26<dominick>jordanm, thanks, i'll try that!
13:27<NickyP>Linux debianhp 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Tue Jun 1 04:34:03 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linu
13:27<otto>Hello, I have a Debian Server as a gateway (NAT) to my computers at my house, i was using the stable version and recently decided to upgrade to testing, everything went ok, the problem using squid is that pages that include video like youtube or vimeo, pauses a lot...! if i remove squid then videos play OK. is it possible that squid has this kind of issues in testing?
13:27<dominick>jordanm, does it include DVD authoring?
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13:28<jordanm>dominick: never tried
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13:28<dominick>jordanm, i'll try it anyway. 80mb is too big. Internet is precious here!
13:28<jordanm>dominick: wikipedia indicates yes
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13:29<jordanm>"K3b (from KDE Burn Baby Burn)[3] is a CD and DVD authoring application..."
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13:30<NickyP>jordanm: Linux debianhp 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Tue Jun 1 04:34:03 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linu
13:31<dominick>jordanm, so it does. I hope I won't be looking for another utility!
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13:32<dominick>was wondering why debian comes with unreliable default packages! I was trying to configure my mic earlier today only to find that the sound recorder was the only utility not able to record!!
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13:34<otto>Hello, I have a Debian Server as a gateway (NAT) to my computers at my house, i was using the stable version and recently decided to upgrade to testing, everything went ok, the problem using squid is that pages that include video like youtube or vimeo, pauses a lot...! if i remove squid then videos play OK. is it possible that squid has this kind of issues in testing?
13:34<sdk>Here's one for you.. kill -9 is not killing the process I am entering. Two actually, one is digikam and the other is compiz. Somethig I was doing crashed X and I cannot restart it, so I'm killig all of the user's processes before reiniting X again.
13:34<sdk>Is there a SUPER kill -9?
13:35<retrospectacus>sdk: reboot
13:35<sdk>Yes, In as root, trying to kill regular user processes.
13:35<sdk>retrospectacus: this is linux, not windows. :-) Besides, I have a batch job running that is taking 4 hours, and I'd have to start it all over again.
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13:36<dominick>:)) @ retrospectacus
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13:36<retrospectacus>sometimes processes will not be killable and will sit around in your ps-list until you reboot. They aren't doing anything
13:37<dominick>retrospectacus, does that mean that the process doesn't really exist and only shows in ps?
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13:37<sdk>retrospectacus: Good point.. let me see if they're consuming any resources..
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13:37<retrospectacus>more or less...
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13:37<dominick>retrospectacus, but wouldn't that be considered a bug?
13:38<NickyP>jordamn ?? still on
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13:38<mihkel>Hi. Anyone here uses transmission-daemon. I have hard time to get it working. Basically it uses /etc/transmission-daemon/settings.json settings instead .config/transmission-daemon/settings.json
13:39<retrospectacus>dominick: perhaps, but usually it would be originating from a bug in the process in the first place
13:39<nardey>nao consigo colocar a configuraçao de compartilhamento de internet para ficar automatico toda vez que ligar o micro. o que devo fazer???
13:40<dominick>retrospectacus, got it!
13:40<retrospectacus>if you can reproduce the behaviour, you can report it. Not sure if you would report the bug to the actual process package, ps or kernel, ??
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13:41<sdk>retrospectacus: Yep, 13MB of RAM.. Hrm... irritating. Never seen that before.. who ever heard of kill -9 not killing a process? Feh. Kk, I'll just try and restart X,see what happens.
13:41<dominick>retrospectacus, How important is being able to reproduce a bug? I'm a novice at bugs!
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13:42<sdk>dominick: to quote an old colleage of mine "If it ain't reproducable, it ain't a bug."
13:42<retrospectacus>dominick: the person who is going to fix the bug needs to be able to reproduce it
13:42<dominick>retrospectacus, sdk, so if I find a bug, should I try to reproduce the same thing on another machine or what?
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13:43<dominick>retrospectacus, thanks for the link
13:44<dominick>retrospectacus, nic 1
13:44<retrospectacus>more useful link:
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13:45<retrospectacus>dominick: not another machine
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13:46<locklace>sdk: what's the state flag
13:46<dominick>retrospectacus, how then could I figure out what all contribute to the bug?
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13:48<retrospectacus>dominick, just report your architecture, kernel version, relevant package versions, and steps to produce the bug. No need to try it on another machine.
13:49<retrospectacus>also make sure the bug has not been reported (and possibly fixed) already
13:49<sdk>locklace: D for both...
13:49<locklace>sdk: uninterruptable i/o wait. stuck in a system call
13:49<dominick>retrospectacus, got it. Somebody would try and reproduce the bug in order to solve it!
13:49<ComradeHaz`>Guys, total noob question: how do I see a list of all users who have accounts on a system?
13:50<ComradeHaz`>Further, does a 'samba user' also need to be a 'unix user'?
13:50<retrospectacus>ComradeHaz`: cat /etc/passwd
13:50<sdk>locklace: Where is TFM for that so I can read? buried somewhere in 'man ps'?
13:50<retrospectacus>ComradeHaz`: or ls /home for "human" users or whatever
13:50<ComradeHaz`>eww, dirty, but thanks
13:50<ComradeHaz`>Oh God!
13:51<ComradeHaz`>OK, and my latter question?!
13:51<retrospectacus>it depends on how you configure samba
13:51<locklace>sdk: yes, process state codes. pretty much the only reason SIGKILL won't terminate an active process
13:51<ComradeHaz`>oh, retrospectacus? How so?
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13:52<sdk>locklace: Beauty, found it, 'PROCESS STATE CODES'.. thanks man.
13:52<locklace>sdk: usually indicates a problem with some disk or i/o device being accessed by the process
13:52<retrospectacus>well your samba server, it can use various authentication mechanisms, e.g. LDAP, mysql, it can also use system auth (PAM I think?)
13:52<locklace>sdk: lsof will list the i/o descriptors the process has open
13:52<dominick>jordanm, I installed k3b, but it doesn't show in the Application menu. Is this normal>
13:53*Guest279 has a big problem with his aes-xts encrypted sid and is looking for someone willing to assist him to get it back working
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13:53<retrospectacus>ComradeHaz`: there is a lot of docs about this online, also there is a #samba channel I'm sure
13:54<ComradeHaz`>hmm, I see. Yeah. I'll head over there. Thanks. Think it's probably time I gave the users in question 'unix accoutns' anyway.
13:54<retrospectacus>dominick: k3b is a KDE program, it may not appear in the Gnome menu. just put k3b on the command line, should work
13:54<pavi>dominick, Alt+f2 k3b
13:55<pavi>dominick, post install process of k3b should be creating a gnome menu entry
13:55<dominick>retrospectacus, pavi thanks! and Hi pavi
13:57<sdk>locklace: ahah. because I my fumbling, I killed something Digikam was using to access the disk, and now digikam is stuck trying to connect to a process that is not there?
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13:58<retrospectacus>ComradeHaz`: I think the simplest samba auth is a "smbpasswd" file or something? There is a tool to create users, or import from /etc/passwd
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14:00<locklace>sdk: could be. only way to clear the D state is to clear the problem with the underlying device. lsof output and strace attach may give a clue where the problem is if it isn't obvious
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14:01<simo>when the X server is on, i have a wrong keyboard layout, when it's off it uses the correct italian layout... and running dpkg-reconfigure console-data doesn't seem to do the job..
14:01<simo>how can I fix this?
14:04<osirisx>simo the chances are you need to edit your keyboard config in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
14:05<osirisx>what version of X are you using?
14:05<simo>this could be a problem, since with this new debian testing i have no xorg.conf..
14:06<simo>xorg Version: 1:7.5+6
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14:06<osirisx>ok no problem - that means it is auto-config everything
14:06<locklace>simo: dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
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14:07<osirisx>you can still create an xorg.conf file to overwrite or supplement the suto-config
14:07<osirisx>simo you are on a debian system right?
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14:09<datacrusher>holy crap... opera browser is giving me 100% processor activity... is there a know bug with debian 64?
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14:09<simo>osirisx: yes locklace: it doesn't work... may it be related with this bug?
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14:11<osirisx>simo: do you actually get that error?
14:11<Guest279>datacrusher, why do you think it's debian's fault? opera is proprietary software.
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14:12<locklace>simo: dpkg-reconfigure console-setup, not console-data
14:13<datacrusher>no, I didnt say its debian fault, obviously its opera
14:13<simo>locklace: i tried both, no results
14:13<datacrusher>just asked if someone had issues with the same situation, opera + debian64
14:13<locklace>what does "no results" mean
14:13<osirisx>simo: didn't you say your keyboard mapping changes when you run X?
14:13<locklace>do you even have console-setup installed
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14:14<simo>osirisx: yes, the same massage, except for the keymap, which is different in my case
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14:14<classical>hello Ppl :-) I wonder which distribution actually has more packages Debian or Red hat ? :-)
14:14<osirisx>ok well it would have been nice if you had started by providing the error message LOL
14:14<simo>locklace: sorry, my bad. i run console setup, set up everithing, but in the end the keymap is still wrong
14:15<retrospectacus>classical: you go find out and let us know
14:15<locklace>simo: what's in /etc/default/keyboard
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14:16<classical>retrospectacus, idk thats why im asking here :-) Okay then i will change my question :-) which one has more support team ? (people who are working on distr0)
14:16<classical>retrospectacus, idk thats why im asking here :-) Okay then i will change my question :-) which one has more support team ? (people who are working on distr0)
14:17<osirisx>classical what's the reason behind the question?
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14:17<simo>oh my, don't tell me I had to restart HAL :|
14:18<Ciphers>hello, i have a question about lenny; i can't get the suspend/hibernate mode in normal user as usual!
14:18<classical>osamu, just personal interest
14:18<ComradeHaz`>errm, so I'm failing again. How do I make a directory such that it and all it's subdirectories and files are read/writable by a group I have just created?
14:18<Ciphers>any ida?
14:18<retrospectacus>classical: check Wikipedia
14:18<locklace>simo: yeah, i fucking hate hal
14:18<osirisx>classical: personal interest??? - what measure do you want to use?
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14:19<retrospectacus>ComradeHaz`: chgrp
14:19<retrospectacus>and possibly chmod
14:19<dominick>jordanm, thanks, k3d did copy valid track info!
14:19<retrospectacus>and chown
14:19<classical>retrospectacus, give me a link
14:19<ComradeHaz`>thanks retrospectacus, ownership and permission I always find a total mind f***
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14:20<Ciphers>any idea guys?
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14:20<classical>Omg i just want to find out which one has more packages wat's wrong ?
14:20<ComradeHaz`>Ciphers, wild stab in the dark: Display drivers?
14:20<osirisx>Ciphers are you initiating from gnome?
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14:20<Ciphers>yeah, i'm using gnome
14:20<NickyP>trying to get to terminal from gnome.. Ctrl-Alt-F1 blanks the screen no terminal.. any ideas?
14:21<Ciphers>CompWizrd, Intel, the default one who come with DELL laptops
14:21<osirisx>classical - it's just a really bizarre thing to ask - because at the end of the day it doesn't tell you anything
14:21<osirisx>you can even install redhat packages on debian using alien
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14:21<osirisx>all software can be packaged in any format!
14:21<osirisx>for any distribution (architecture dependent)
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14:22<Ciphers>ComradeHaz`, Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics
14:22<simo>it wasn't all after all... it wasn'even running, according to my init.rc
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14:22<simo>HAL, not all..
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14:22<Ciphers>i was using lenny before, but no problem in that thing
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14:23<ComradeHaz`>All I was suggesting Ciphers was that if you don;t have the correct ones installed it might be the problem as it can be under windows. But as I say - wild stab in the dark.
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14:23<Ciphers>after getting a fresh install by netiso, i can't get that mode even by clicking on the suspend/hibernate button
14:23<simo>well, guess i gotta sort this out tomorrow, friday night is coming... thanks all for your help
14:24<Ciphers>ComradeHaz`, wild stab... is that a metaphor or something?
14:24<Ciphers>osirisx, <Ciphers> i was using lenny before, but no problem in that thing
14:24<osirisx>however wanted to know about shortcut to get a terminal up - if you are in gnome check system -> preferences -> keyboard shortcuts and it should tell you
14:24<ComradeHaz`>Uh, just an expression: means complete random guess
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14:25<Ciphers>and what should i do? i can't let my pc work 24/7 without suspending or hibernating
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14:26<classical>retrospectacus, there is not what im looking for
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14:26<dominick>okay, I tried removing brasero, but aptitude suggests to remove gnome and gnome-desktop-environment, else keep brasero! Any suggestions?
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14:26<osirisx>Ciphers what happens when you System -> Shut Down in gnome and then select suspend or hibernate?
14:26<retrospectacus>classical: then find it yourself, we're not your personal search engine
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14:27<Ciphers>osirisx, i get a beep, with locked black screen
14:27<osirisx>honestly classical - people would be more willing to help you, if we could make sense of the request - you've asked for random data as opposed to useful intelligence
14:27<classical>retrospectacus, someone is saying that rhel has more packages and other saying dat debian has more
14:27<Ciphers>and then, a sleep problem, tells that my computer failed to suspend, check the help file or common problems
14:28<classical>im really fastened
14:28<sdk>classical: what is your native language?
14:28<osirisx>Ciphers - what do your logs say when you try to suspend / hibernate?
14:28<classical>classical, Georgia
14:29<retrospectacus>classical: Oh noes, let's get up in arms! Find some statistics yourself. Wikipedia says debian has over 25000. Challenge your opponent to find a statistic for rhel
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14:29<sdk>as in Asia? Do you speak Russian? If so, you may find it more rewarding to look in some Russian IRC channels..
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14:30<classical>sdk,why are you asking do i have many errors ? :-D Yep i know Russian :-)
14:30<dominick>:)) classical sends a message to himself!!
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14:30<classical>dominick, haha i see :-)
14:30<classical>retrospectacus, Okay thx anyway :-)
14:31<sdk>classical: YEs, several errors.. not a big deal, but just making a suggestion.
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14:31<osirisx>sdk: I don't think classical is having a problem making his request understood - we just can't understand what use this item of information is to someone
14:31<Ciphers>osirisx, that's what i got when i check the syslog:
14:32<sdk>anyway, looks like I'ma hafta reboot, fsck. veddy frustrating. Have not had an unscheduled reboot in over a year with this box. Feh.
14:32<dominick>okay, my turn. How do I remove brasero when aptitude suggests removing gnome and gnome-desktop manager along with it, else keep it?
14:32<sdk>osirisx: Ahah, apparently i misunderstood the misunderstanding.. :)
14:32<osirisx>as I said all software can be packaged in either distribution format if someone can be bothered
14:32<osirisx>lol sdk
14:33<osirisx>wow Ciphers that's not very descriptive LOL
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14:33<osirisx>which log file is this?
14:33<Ciphers>:) well that's what i got in /var/log/syslog
14:33<sdk>dominick: That, sir, is an answer i'd love to hear as well. That reverse dependency removal has stymied me several times over the years.
14:33<Ciphers>osirisx, you meant another log?
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14:34<osirisx>is there a /var/log/hibernate?
14:34<sdk>Crap, rebooting my server..feh.
14:34<Ciphers>yeah, and it's empty
14:34<dominick>sdk, you english?
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14:35<sdk>dominick: Nope. Nerdish. :)
14:35<Ciphers>osirisx, but the /var/log/hibernate.log.1 has the following:
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14:36<sdk>dominick: But I do like good tea and strong stouts.. does that qualify me?
14:36<Ciphers>btw, i can get the suspend on the root account, but i can't on the normal user
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14:36<osirisx>ok Ciphers somethings to check - do you have acpi or apm compiled in the kernel?
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14:37<dominick>sdk, i guess!
14:37<osirisx>aaahhh ok
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14:38<locklace>sdk: did you do the lsof and strace and fix the device
14:38<sdk>So, folks, here's the current question.. When removing a package, how does one remove JUST that package and not say.. half of the OS, as in dominick's case, where removing Brasero wants to remove Gnome?
14:38<dominick>thanks, sdk!!
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14:39<Ciphers>osirisx, the both two services are one, acpi and the apm
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14:40<Ciphers>should i shutdown one of them?
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14:40<osirisx>sdk: you would have to break the dependency of gnome-desktop
14:41<osirisx>or uninstall gnome-desktop but keep all of its dependents by doing <shift>+M on them I think
14:41<dpkg>Is aptitude or apt-get trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it, the gnome meta-package will be uninstalled and aptitude will try to remove lots more. Fix this by running "aptitude install packagename" or "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage>.
14:41<osirisx>yes moldovena - that's the one
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14:41<osirisx>Ciphers: do a lsmod - you want to know which modeules are actually loaded not what is sitting on your hard drive
14:43<osirisx>Ciphers in any case you appear to have no apm modules
14:45<dominick>err... moldovean, i tried "aptitude unmarkauto brasero" but it still wants to remove gnome along with brasero!
14:46<sdk>locklace: I was poking around in lsof and I reconized several processes I'd killed, so I thought that digikam was looking for the process, not finding it and not timing out waiting on said processes. I must have missed your strace post (I'm home recovering from surgery and my wife came in to help me get into this torture device they call 'therapy'. Could you repost? I'd really like to figure out how to do this w/o rebooting.
14:46<Ciphers>btw, when squeeze will be final release?
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14:47<sdk>locklace: And I don't see it scrolling up..
14:48<osirisx>Ciphers - I don't know about squeeze release
14:48<osirisx>Ciphers - do you have 'hibernate' package installed?
14:49<Ciphers>it's been installed
14:49<osirisx>Ciphers do you have any other suspend / hibernate package installed?
14:49<sdk>locklace: do you remember mwilson?
14:49<Ciphers>no, i just lost my previous debian by a mistake, so i installed it via netiso
14:50<Ciphers>and the all packages came by
14:50<locklace>sdk: only way to clear the D state is to clear the problem with the underlying device. lsof output and strace attach may give a clue where the problem is if it isn't obvious
14:50<osirisx>none of your acpi modules are loaded
14:50<Ciphers>plus some of my personal packages and dependencies
14:50<sdk>locklace: yes, I saw that.. it's not a device, it's a process. Digikam was using.. one sec.. lemme look again.
14:51<locklace>sdk: it's in i/o wait so it's waiting on some device
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14:52<osirisx>try modprobe thermal dock processor button fan ac
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14:52<osirisx>Ciphers - are you on a laptop? if so what make?
14:52<otto>Hello, I have a Debian Server as a gateway (NAT) to my computers at my house, i was using the stable version and recently decided to upgrade to testing, everything went ok, the problem using squid is that pages that include video like youtube or vimeo, pauses a lot...! if i remove squid then videos play OK. is it possible that squid has this kind of issues in testing?
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14:53<Ciphers>osirisx, yeah, i'm on laptop
14:53<Ciphers>Dell one
14:53<locklace>!btssmite otto
14:53*dpkg beats otto around the head repeatedly with and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if otto is running testing or unstable
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14:56<Ciphers>osirisx, if so what make?? sorry i did't get that
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14:57<osirisx>I mean what model dell - inspiron 8100?
14:58<Ciphers>inspiron 1520
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14:59<sdk>apt, tell me about anon_inode
14:59<sdk>dpkg, tell me about anon_inode
15:00<osirisx>Ciphers - gnome power manager is installed right?
15:02<osirisx>Ciphers I think it is to do with your intel graphics chip
15:02<osirisx>check out
15:02<Ciphers>but it's weird man
15:03<Ciphers>it was working fine on the last installations
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15:03<osirisx>true - I had similar problems with my thinkpad - now I always backup my config files
15:04<osirisx>so I can use them on re-installs
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15:09<sdk>locklace: looks like the only two 'devices' digikam is looking for is shared memory (shm) and gvfs. I killed gnome .. hold on.. does OpenGL use dri?
15:10<sdk>somehow leverage it?
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15:13<sdk>Strange, now I cannot get X to reload. Feh, rebooting.. c'est la vie.
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15:31<Ciphers>thanks osirisx
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15:34<stuckey>So if I want to use nvidia drivers on stable, I need to backport all of the packages that are necessary from sid, and otherwise follow the wiki directions?
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15:34<stuckey>And if there isn't depdenencies available, I need to backport those as well, and install them?
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15:37<chealer>stuckey: no, stable has nvidia drivers.
15:37<stuckey>chealer: too old for my card
15:38<stuckey>chealer: In that case, I'm on the right track?
15:39<chealer>stuckey: which minimal version do you need?
15:40<stuckey>chealer: Well I would prefer to get driver updates on a regular basis, since they sometimes include useful features, and I want to get to use the card I paid for, but I think something like 185+
15:40<stuckey>Lenny has 170 something
15:40<stuckey>I've been through this before, I know the drivers in lenny aren't going to work.
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15:46<chealer>stuckey: you can use sid's drivers or upstream's. if you want sid's, you have the idea. you can also mix packages, but it will be painful in any case.
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15:59<stuckey>chealer: moment, I have to clean the floor.
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16:00<da-x>is there a command that tells if an installed package configuration is different than its default and what are the differences exactly?
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16:08<rpetre>iirc dpkg only remembers a checksum of the config, not the whole file
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16:25<stuckey>chealer: how do I acomplish the # m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source step in the wiki? If I do it as it is, I get lenny drivers.
16:26<stuckey>I've already built the nvidia-kernerl-common from sid.
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16:28<chealer>stuckey: install sid's nvidia-kernel-source, then m-a build and m-a install
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16:30<stuckey>chealer: I have nvidia-kernel-source, I back ported it.
16:30<stuckey>debian:/home/stuckey# m-a build
16:30<stuckey>No package specified. STOP.
16:30<stuckey>Wait, no I did kernel common
16:30<stuckey>I backport the kernel-source?
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16:32<retrospectacus>!nvidia squeeze
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16:32<stuckey>chealer: Do I have to backport or do I just install the deb?
16:32<retrospectacus>!squeeze nvidia
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16:33<jhutchins>Interesting, I know squeeze uses a different build of xorg than lenny, wonder why the sid drivers would even try to load.
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16:34<stuckey>chealer: You there?
16:34<chealer>stuckey: depends on whether the dependencies are all in lenny
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16:34<stuckey>chealer: they're not, and I would have to build more than one.
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16:35<chealer>stuckey: can't you just install debhelper from lenny-backports than sid's nvidia-kernel-source?
16:35<stuckey>This process should really be easier.
16:35<stuckey>no, n-k-s requires lots of other stuff, which requires lots of other stuff, etc.
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16:36<chealer>stuckey: such as what?
16:36<stuckey>n-k-c can be done with just one additional package.
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16:36<stuckey>dkms and then coreutils
16:36<chealer>stuckey: you're saying that sid's nvidia-kernel-source depends on dkms?
16:37<stuckey>chealer: no that's what dpks is saying
16:37<tuxG>i configured my apt/preferences file for pinning but it seems not totaly considered by apt ? is there any additional operations to do ?
16:37<chealer>stuckey: could you quote what dpkg actually says?
16:37*bja bows to chealer's patience
16:38<locklace>he's stuck to the tar baby
16:38<stuckey>that's what I've got in front of me right now.
16:38<stuckey>hmm... you want where it said it needed dkms
16:38<stuckey>E: Build-Depends dependency for nvidia-graphics-drivers cannot be satisfied because the package dkms cannot be found
16:38<stuckey>I have that
16:39<stuckey>and I got that from a debian:/home/stuckey# apt-get build-dep nvidia-kernel-source
16:39<Justin_A>stuckey: why don't you just run the nvidia installer?
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16:40<cahoot>Justin_A: because he runs debian?
16:40<Justin_A>it can't do much more damage than trying to backport everything from sid
16:40<stuckey>Justin_A: I thought the debian way was better.
16:40<chealer>stuckey: that's not nvidia-kernel-source depending on dkms, that's sid's nvidia-graphics-drivers build-depending on dkms. I'm talking about installing sid's nvidia-kernel-source binary package.
16:41<Justin_A>better kind of goes out the window when you are trying to run stable on a desktop
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16:43<stuckey>chealer: n-g-s? I didn't see anything about that in the wiki. How do I install n-k-s package?
16:43<stuckey>and where did n-g-s come from?
16:43<stuckey>I didn't try to install that, I tried to build n-k-s.
16:45<chealer>stuckey: what do you mean by n-g-s?
16:45<stuckey>nvidia-graphics-drivers (sorry)
16:46<stuckey>chealer: I mean, I didn't try to install that. I didn't even know that was a package, so I was confused when you referenced it.
16:46<chealer>stuckey: to install sid's nvidia-kernel-source, you can set a stable / testing/unstable mix
16:46<chealer>dpkg: stm
16:46<dpkg>chealer: no idea
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16:46<dpkg>echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to sid. then apt-get update. use apt-get -t sid install foo; to install foo from sid rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release. set Preferences->Distribution
16:47<stuckey>Yeah I already did that for sid.
16:47<stuckey>oh, yeah I didn't do the -t thing, I was back porting the packages.
16:47<chealer>stuckey: then you just install nvidia-kernel-source from sid that way
16:47<stuckey>chealer: just -t sid it?
16:48<chealer>stuckey: yes
16:49<stuckey>chealer: okay I'm going to do that... apt-get -t sid install foo
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16:50<chealer>stuckey: oh course, that's the easy case. in this case you'll need backports's debhelper
16:50<stuckey>chealer: -f?
16:50<stuckey>chealer: I alreayed backported debhelper from sid.
16:50<chealer>stuckey: remove dkms
16:51<stuckey>chealer: then try again?
16:51<chealer>stuckey: yes
16:51<stuckey>nvidia-kernel-source is already the newest version.
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16:51<stuckey>ii nvidia-kernel-source 173.14.09-5 NVIDIA binary kernel module source
16:51<stuckey>but it's the old one...
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16:51<stuckey>weird, I did: debian:/home/stuckey# apt-get -t sid install nvidia-kernel-source
16:51<chealer>stuckey: well, your paste doesn't show the corresponding command
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16:52<chealer>stuckey: are you sure you have a stable / testing/unstable mix setup?
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16:52<stuckey>chealer: no I didn't do the s/t/u set up. I thought I just needed s/s?
16:53<chealer>stuckey: what do you mean by s/s?
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16:53<stuckey>chealer: stable/ sid
16:54<stuckey>chealer: Would it not be easier to just run sid?
16:54<chealer>stuckey: I meant you need a mix of stable and either testing or sid.
16:54<stuckey>chealer: Ok, so that's the only way to do this on stable?
16:54<bja>Cinepaint used to be on Debian, but it was dropped in etch. Where can i look for information on the attempts to package it ?
16:54<chealer>stuckey: if you have a mix with sid, that should work. you may be missing non-free sid sources.
16:55<stuckey>deb-src sid main contrib non-free
16:55<chealer>stuckey: no, you could install sid's nvidia-kernel-source manually, without APT
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16:55<chealer>stuckey: that line is an APT source for sid source packages, you need a source for binary packages.
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16:56<stuckey>chealer: oh, I left that one out.
16:56<stuckey>chealer: Is that why it can't find n-k-s?
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16:56<chealer>stuckey: most certainly
16:56<stuckey>chealer: okay line is in. Now I need to apt-get -t sid install nvidia-kernel-source?
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16:57<stuckey>chealer: Or should I go with the backport?
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16:57<chealer>stuckey: yes. the is no backport of nvidia-graphics-drivers
16:58<chealer>stuckey: I recommend not to use unstable as a default release, but if you really want to use the nvidia drivers, unless you have a strong incentive to use stable, I recommend to use testing.
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16:58<bja>chealer: please do not point stuckey to testing too painfull for the channel
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16:58<stuckey>chealer: what is nvidia-graphics-drivers?
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16:59<gsimmons>bja: (re cinepaint) The removal request and subsequent ITA is in bug #437837.
16:59<stuckey>bja: oh come on, I haven't been in the channel in a while.
17:00<bja>gsimmons: thx researching
17:00<bja>stuckey: you were banned don't you remember
17:00<chealer>stuckey: it's the source package from which nvidia-kernel-source, nvidia-glx and other binary packages are built.
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17:00<stuckey>bja: I didn't say that.
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17:01<cahoot>bja: please don't ignite more confusion
17:01<stuckey>chealer: Okay. the wiki doesn't say anything about it.
17:01<bja>cahoot: I'm sending you a pm
17:01<cahoot>don't bother
17:02<bja>cahoot: ok then you know what i was thinking good
17:02<cahoot>I think I've got a pretty good idea
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17:03<locklace>gentlemen, you can't fight in here. this is the war room
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17:03<chealer>bja: I'm not really pointing him to testing, but if someone with an NVIDIA card not supported yet by lenny's nvidia-graphics-drivers wants to use the nvidia drivers, my recommendation is to use testing. if you disagree on that, feel free to offer your view.
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17:04<bja>chealer: Disregard completely what i said and please accept an apology
17:04<stuckey>My view is that stable should have video driver updates.
17:04<bja>gsimmons: Do you know of an alternative to gimp that has a color depth of at least 16 bits ?
17:04<bremner>bja: krita?
17:05<bremner>there is also this fork of gimp by the movie people, but I'm not sure how alive that project is
17:06<bja>bremner: actually cinepaint started off as a 16 bit color depth fork of the gimp
17:06<bremner>that is what I'm thinking of
17:06<bremner>but did it ever release?
17:06<stuckey>chealer: Maybe I should post to debian-user and see what people there think?
17:07<stuckey>chealer: and why shouldn't I use sid?
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17:07<bremner>!tell stuckey -about sid
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17:08<stuckey>chealer: If I stay with stable, should I backport nvidia-kernel-source, or -t sid it?
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17:09<stuckey>and I don't have an nvidia-graphics-drivers package.
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17:10<chealer>stuckey: installing the nvidia-kernel-source binary package from sid seems easy enough, so I would do that.
17:11<stuckey> seems like a lot of stuff...
17:11<stuckey>Why doesn't stable get video driver updates?
17:11<chealer>stuckey: unstable shouldn't be used as a default release except for developing Debian.
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17:13<stuckey>seems to me like testing and sid overlap somewhat.
17:13<devil>stuckey: before debian releases of course they do
17:14<bja>bremner: good news there and here are the experimental .debs
17:14<stuckey>chealer: What do you think about ? Is that okay?
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17:15<bremner>bja: ah nice. I followed cinepaint for a while, but gave up.
17:15<chealer>stuckey: show me the corresponding command if you want my opinion.
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17:16<stuckey>chealer: apt-get -t sid install nvidia-kernel-source
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17:17<bja>bremner: what is the factoid that point to the relevant links to package something for debian ?
17:17<stuckey>bja: new maintainer's guide
17:17<chealer>stuckey: that's because APT is trying to install recommends. use --no-install-recommends
17:18<stuckey>chealer: now it looks so
17:19<chealer>stuckey: that seems very reasonable
17:19<stuckey>chealer: okay
17:19<stuckey>That's done. Now what?
17:20<chealer>stuckey: now you'd install the nvidia LKM (m-a build, m-a install)
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17:21<bremner>bja: dunno, but everything is at
17:22<stuckey>chealer: LKM?
17:22<stuckey>debian:/home/stuckey# m-a build
17:22<stuckey>No package specified. STOP.
17:22<moldovean>stuckey, /msg dpkg nvidia m-a
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17:24<stuckey>chealer: does that look right?
17:24<chealer>!tell stuckey about lkm
17:25<chealer>stuckey: the paste is incomplete
17:25<stuckey>chealer: Yeah sorry it got cut off while it was running.
17:25<chealer>stuckey: the command is # m-a build nvidia
17:25<stuckey>i did m-a a-i nvidia
17:25<stuckey>(per dpkg)... but anyway, that failed.
17:26<chealer>that might work too
17:26<stuckey>chealer: your version also failed.
17:26<chealer>stuckey: so go in steps anyway, build then install
17:26<stuckey>chealer: I don't know how to go in steps.
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17:27<stuckey>chealer: If you mean, do "m-a build nvidia", I've already done that and it failed.
17:27<stuckey> <-- the fail
17:28<moldovean> stuckey they say " Please run: module-assistant clean nvidia" ...
17:29<stuckey>moldovean: okay, then build?
17:29<stuckey>that worked...
17:29<moldovean>stuckey, that try to figure yoursels as a big boy
17:29<stuckey>So what that did was build nvidia-kernel? I had the source (from the nvidia-k-source package), and now I have the binary?
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17:31<chealer>stuckey: yes (now m-a install)
17:31<stuckey>I'm making notes for the wiki.
17:31<stuckey>chealer: chealer says "No package specified. STOP."
17:32<ram0>Hello, I want to install us keymap variant colemak as the boottime keymap. However the console tool command 'install-keymap' does not accept variant argument. Is there a direct way to do this or should I tweak the layout file instead? Any idea?
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17:33<stuckey>oh, m-a install nvidia. What does this command do exactly?
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17:33<stuckey>It worked
17:34<chealer>stuckey: it install the LKM package that was built.
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17:35<stuckey>chealer: where is this package?
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17:35<chealer>stuckey: I imagine the output tells you
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17:36<stuckey>okay done
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17:41<stuckey>now I do the libraries?
17:41<stuckey>chealer: Do I install the libraries with -t sid or backport?
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17:46<adema>does someone know a program to capture traffic from a specific pid ?
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17:46<adema>maybe wireshark can do it but i can't find how
17:46<stuckey>What's the deal with apt-get install nvidia-glx${VERSION} the VERSION thing at the end?
17:46<stuckey>What does that do?
17:48<chaoticmass>Debian Squeeze: ran apt-get install kde-full, after it downloaded all packages it failed to decompress one (some perl package), then `dpkg sub process received segfault` or something. Now apt-get install seg faults while Building Dependancy Tree. I don't know what to do now.
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17:49<bremner>chaoticmass: did you try apt-get update?
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17:50<chaoticmass>bremner: trying it now
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17:50<chaoticmass>bremner: apt-get update runs successfully, no errors, however apt-get install still segfaults while building dependancy tree.
17:51<locklace>adema: you don't capture traffic from pids, you do it based on addresses, protocols and ports. it's a simple matter to find out what ports a process has bound
17:51<stuckey>I guess I have to backport this one..
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17:51<stuckey>ehh, that says it has to remove packages.
17:51<stuckey>chealer: you there?
17:52<adema>locklace, well i though it could be possible, for example tsock can "capture" the traffic to redirect it through a sock proxy
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17:53<locklace>adema: that's a completely different thing
17:54<adema>well maybe
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17:54<locklace>adema: tsocks is a shared library that gets loaded into the application's address space and intercepts socket-related system calls
17:55<adema>i know
17:55<locklace>adema: this is the point where you state what it is you're actually trying to do
17:55<stuckey>Can anyone here help me finish installing nvidia drivers?
17:55<adema>ok ok
17:56<stuckey>adema: neh, I'm on stable but stable didn't have a new enough version, so I've gone through a lot of steps.
17:56*stuckey could have just installed sid two hours ago and been done with it.
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17:57<locklace>!tell stuckey about nvidia squeeze
17:57<stuckey>locklace: already decided to go the stable route.
17:57<locklace>good luck with that
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17:58<stuckey>Where did Chealer go? He was the one who knew how this works.
17:58<tqft>i am having trouble chrooting into my debian install which got broke - I need to do an update to initramfs (I think)
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17:58<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see . If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
17:59<stuckey>No it's nvidia with stable. Wiki doesn't cover this.
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17:59<locklace>tqft: what kind of trouble? you just boot with a rescue cd, mount the thing and chroot
17:59<chaoticmass>when running apt-get, this appears "gzip: stdin: invalid compressed data--crc error"
18:00<chealer>stuckey: the VERSION variable is explained at the end of
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18:00<chealer>stuckey: I don't know. I would probably try to backport first, but either way is probably going to be painful.
18:01<chaoticmass>I think I have some dodgy hardware. Fantastic.
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18:01<tqft>locklace: tried that with ubuntu 10.04, debian rescue mode - which would not give a shell, chroot would fail with missing /bin/bash
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18:02<locklace>tqft: too vague, no idea what exactly you tried to do or what broke. it should be a simple process
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18:02<stuckey>chealer: is that sane?
18:03<locklace>tqft: maybe try a debian cd in rescue mode, or grml,, they work fine
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18:04<tqft> latest journal - harddisk dying, rsynched debian setup to new partition on different disk, didn't update-initramfs and so now gets to coreect boot and than is looking for disk that is no longer there
18:05<jpinx-eeepc>tqft: dd the dying disc and updating grub should work
18:06<stuckey> is that sane, anyone?
18:06<tqft>too late disk is already out of machine and file system if borked
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18:07<locklace>!tell tqft about reinstall grub
18:07<jpinx-eeepc>tqft: ddrescue then ;)
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18:08<chealer>stuckey: you don't want to do that, no
18:08<stuckey>chealer: okay, then what about:
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18:12<tuxie_>ola maria
18:12<tqft>be back later if grml helps
18:12<tuxie_>has anyone had problems with libxul? an upgrade broke my eclipse =(
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18:12<locklace>maria: habla ingles o salte, perra
18:12<maria>hablame en español
18:12<maria>una mierda
18:12<maria> puta
18:12<tuxie_>maria, no le hagas caso a ese imbécil
18:12<maria>tampoco le haria
18:13<tuxie_>cómo estás?
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18:13<maria>bueno que tal tuxie ?
18:13<maria>muy bn y tu ?
18:13<tuxie_>muy bien también, por suerte
18:13<maria>jeje me alegro
18:13<tuxie_>de dónde sos?
18:13<retrospectacus>habla ingles o salte, perra
18:13<maria>de alemeria y tu ?
18:13<retrospectacus>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian.
18:14<chealer>stuckey: that tells you 2 things. 1 is you need a newer dpkg, 2 is the binary nvidia-glx you want is incompatible with stable's X.
18:14<chealer>stuckey: so start by upgrading dpkg
18:14<maria>estas ? tuxie
18:14<stuckey>chealer: incompatible, so that means I have to upgrade my X as well?
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18:14<chealer>stuckey: if you want to do a mix of binary packages, yes.
18:15<stuckey>chealer: maybe testing would have been better
18:15<chealer>stuckey: I would expect so.
18:15<stuckey>chealer: What do you mean by a mix of binary packages?
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18:15<chealer>stuckey: having binary packages from sid, instead of backporting sid's source package.
18:16<stuckey>chealer: yeah but I thought you said that was better since there were difficulties in backporting the source package?
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18:17<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list 2) enable (see <bpo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
18:17<chealer>stuckey: I said I would probably try to backport first, before installing sid's packages.
18:18<stuckey>chealer: why didn't I do the backport exactly?
18:18<jpinx-eeepc>chealer: ↑↑↑
18:18<stuckey>Sorry, but I'm trying to understand all of this so I don't always have to come here and ask the channel.
18:19<chealer>stuckey: presumably because your first try at build-dep proposed you a bad solution.
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18:20<stuckey>chealer: Okay so I should re-install and then upgrade to testing?
18:20<jpinx-eeepc>!tell stuckey about ssb
18:21<stuckey>jpinx-eeepc: thanks but there aren't any
18:21<stuckey>Guess my notes on this won't come to much. Apparently it isn't possible.
18:21<jpinx-eeepc>stuckey: aren't any what?
18:21<stuckey>Who was it here that told me that stable with nvidia was the best idea.
18:22<stuckey>jpinx-eeepc: backports
18:22<jpinx-eeepc>stuckey: /msg dpkg ssb
18:22<stuckey>I read that.
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18:23<stuckey>and what?
18:23<jpinx-eeepc>why can you not use that?
18:23<stuckey>jpinx-eeepc: Have you been following along for the last few hours?
18:24<stuckey>okay, then it's likely you're missing out on a few things.
18:24<stuckey>chealer: Should I reinstall and go to testing?
18:25<chealer>stuckey: if I was you I would go to testing, either by reinstalling or by upgrading.
18:25<stuckey>chealer: Do you think it's a problem that people can't get nvidia drivers for newer cards on stable?
18:25<stuckey>By the debian way, at least.
18:26<lindi->I'd personally just run X from unstable chroot
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18:28<stuckey>lindi-: why?
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18:29<moldovean>stuckey, i can get nvidia drivers for newer cards on stable , you never ..
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18:30<stuckey>moldovean: I would be interested in reading about how you would do that.
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18:30<moldovean>stuckey, and you are stuck on that for 5-6 months at list ...
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18:30<stuckey>moldovean: I'm sorry?
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18:31<chealer>stuckey: well, it could be considered sad that it is so problematic to get them.
18:31<stuckey>moldovean: I didn't understand what you said.
18:31<moldovean>stuckey, we all had telling you how billions times
18:32<stuckey>A billion? Wow that's like, nine zeros.
18:32<moldovean>stuckey, so stop trolling , go read the doc |
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18:33<stuckey>moldovean: You haven't been keeping up with the discussion for the last few hours, have you? This isn't documented. If you've done this everyone would I'm sure appreciate having it on the wiki.
18:33<moldovean>stuckey, you be finishing be banned again ..
18:33<moldovean> you'll *
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18:35<jpinx-eeepc>stuckey: if squeeze fixes your problem /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze
18:35<stuckey>jpinx-eeepc: That's what I'm about to do. I thought for a second that moldovean had actually something of worth to add but it seems he's just trolling.
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18:35<moldovean>jpinx-eeepc, don't feed the troll
18:36<jpinx-eeepc>both of you - stop flaming
18:36<jpinx-eeepc>stuckey: leaa chat and more reading will help you better
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18:41<Guest301>sorry i-m just testing xchat
18:41<jpinx-eeepc>Guest301: go and test it somewhere else
18:41<meteoros>is anyone able to point me in the right direction? i have an issue with my wlan
18:41<meteoros>debian based Elive
18:42<jpinx-eeepc>!based on debian
18:42<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
18:42<dpkg>Elive (Enlightenment live CD) is a desktop distribution <based on Debian>, featuring the <Enlightenment> window manager. It is not Debian and thus not supported in #debian. #elive on
18:42<jpinx-eeepc>meteoros: ↑↑↑
18:43<meteoros>thanks! i needed that address...
18:44<Guest301>just google it )(
18:44<meteoros>thank you dpkg... cya around
18:44<Guest301>see u
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18:44<jpinx-eeepc>Guest301: do you have a debian question?
18:44<dpkg>Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane.
18:44<dpkg>weekend is probably the time you can actually code without feeling remorses :)
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18:52<stuckey>Do I need to upgrade my kernel from BPO before I lenny->squeeze?
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18:53<bja>!tell stuckey about lenny->squeeze
18:53<stuckey>yeah i know, but I don't know if I need to upgrade my kernel from BPO before I lenny->squeeze.
18:53<moldovean>again and again till ... ban
18:53<stuckey>What is BPO?
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18:53<bja>!tell stuckey about bpo
18:54<jpinx-eeepc>stuckey: use /msg dpkg bpo
18:54<stuckey>got it now, thanks
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19:08<tqft>ha - chroot working, need to mount /lib as well
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19:15<stuckey>How come when I do aptitude upgrade I start seeing packages being pulled out of sid ( even though I've pinned apt to testing?
19:15<stuckey>Shouldn't it ignore stuff from sid?
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19:16<yuri_sevatz>Just noticed a *REALLY* overlooked flaw... seems that php5 stable got brought past the max_file_uploads DoS bug present in php < 5.3.1, but php5-cgi stable isn't anywhere *NEAR* that, at 5.2.6 :(
19:16<stuckey>echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt.conf <--- I did that.
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19:19<stuckey>Anyone know?
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19:20<stuckey>Maybe I'm not understanding something -- I thought that by doing this I could leave the sid lines in my sources.list.
19:20<jpinx-eeepc>stuckey: *why* did you do that?
19:20<stuckey>jpinx-eeepc: thought that was the normal way
19:21<jpinx-eeepc>the normal way to do what exactly
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19:21<stuckey>jpinx-eeepc: use sid to get stuff
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19:21<stuckey>jpinx-eeepc: I have to use it to get nvidia drivers, remember?
19:21<jpinx-eeepc>no - you are upgradeing to squeeze iirc
19:22<stuckey>jpinx-eeepc: Yes. I have done this already.
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19:22<jpinx-eeepc>does running squeeze fix your problem?
19:22<tqft>ha - chroot working, need to mount /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686 to update initramfs against
19:22<stuckey>Now, I'll backport the drivers from sid. yes it works fine with squeeze.
19:23<jpinx-eeepc>stuckey: there is no "backport from sid"
19:23<stuckey>jpinx-eeepc: Not following? What do you mean?
19:23<jpinx-eeepc>stuckey: what works fine in squeeze? what are you trying to fix if it works fine?
19:23<stuckey>jpinx-eeepc: it works as in, I can install it from sid.
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19:24<stuckey>jpinx-eeepc: with squeeze, I can backport the drivers. Not with stable though.
19:24<jpinx-eeepc>stuckey: define "it"
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19:24<stuckey>hmm... apt-get -b source nvidia-kernel-common gives me n-k-c from testing, not sid, although I have sid lines in sources.list.
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19:24<stuckey>jpinx-eeepc: Read wiki
19:24<jpinx-eeepc>stuckey: I am beginning to see why you are not popular here ;)
19:24<stuckey>!tell jpinx-eeepc about nvidia
19:25<stuckey>Notice how it says there are four different types of nvidia drivers.
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19:25<stuckey>That's where the problem is.
19:25<jpinx-eeepc>stuckey: cat uname -a please
19:25<stuckey>Linux debian 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Sat Jul 24 01:47:24 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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19:26<jpinx-eeepc>and cat /etc/debian_version ?
19:26<jpinx-eeepc>stuckey: does you nvidia work?
19:26<stuckey>jpinx-eeepc: I haven't even installed it yet.
19:26<stuckey>jpinx-eeepc: I'm trying to get nvidia-kernel-common installed. That's the first step.
19:26<jpinx-eeepc>stuckey: it is in squeeze
19:27<jpinx-eeepc>just do aptitude install
19:27<stuckey>jpinx-eeepc: Newer in sid. I'm going to get it from there.
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19:27<stuckey>jpinx-eeepc: For some reason, backporting isn't working. apt-get -b source foo just took it from squeeze.
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19:27<jpinx-eeepc>stuckey: I told you - there is no backporting from sid
19:27<stuckey>jpinx-eeepc: of course there is -- I've done it all the time.
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19:28<moldovean>, versions nvidia-kernel-common
19:28<judd>nvidia-kernel-common -- etch/contrib: 20051028+1; lenny/contrib: 20080825+1; sid/contrib: 20100522+1; squeeze/contrib: 20100522+1
19:28<stuckey>oh that's nice
19:28<jpinx-eeepc>stuckey: no you have not - you might have made your own backport, but that is different
19:29<jpinx-eeepc>versions are the same
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19:29<stuckey>jpinx-eeepc: okay, good. Is kernel source newer in sid?
19:29<stuckey>, versions nvidia-kernel-source
19:29<judd>nvidia-kernel-source -- etch/non-free: 1.0.8776-4; lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5; sid/non-free: 195.36.24-4; squeeze/non-free: 195.36.24-4
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19:29<stuckey>, versions nvidia-glx
19:29<judd>nvidia-glx -- etch/non-free: 1.0.8776-4; lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5; sid/non-free: 195.36.24-4; squeeze/non-free: 195.36.24-4
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19:30<stuckey>Wow, this will be the easiest install ever.
19:30<moldovean>stuckey, /msg dpkg msg the bot
19:30*jpinx-eeepc head-keyboard
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19:31<stuckey>I still have that when I cat /etc/debian-version, but I took the sid lines out of my sources.
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19:31<preciosa>de donde eres
19:31<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
19:31<bja>!es-social preciosa
19:31<dpkg>preciosa: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
19:31<jpinx-eeepc>!tell stuckey about why squeeze/sid
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19:32<jpinx-eeepc>stuckey: use dpkg - this is getting really tiresome
19:32<jpinx-eeepc>preciosa: english please
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19:32<preciosa>adios yo no soy engis
19:32<preciosa>i am no inglis
19:33<jpinx-eeepc>preciosa: habla ingles por favor
19:33<preciosa>no see
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19:34<stuckey>Did anyone else just see a middle-aged mexican with a distinctly black moustache tip his hat and wave goodby?
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19:34<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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19:40<edbian>I hate how pidgin windows grab the focus when I'm working! Can I turn this "feature" off?
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19:41<jpinx-eeepc>edbian: hunt through the configs in the gui?
19:41<edbian>jpinx-eeepc, I did...
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19:42<jpinx-eeepc>edbian: in the .config file?
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20:08<retrospectacus>Here's an odd problem, how could I have done this with just "ls"?
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20:14<locklace>retrospectacus: just standard wildcard expansion
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20:16<retrospectacus>I understand what happened, but how could I get around it?
20:16<locklace>rename the file. files with names that begin with - are lame
20:16<retrospectacus>this is true
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20:18<Nemoder>ls ./*.flv
20:20<retrospectacus>aha, thanks
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20:20<retrospectacus>this would be more reliable in a script
20:20<Nemoder>or even ls -- *.flv
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20:22<retrospectacus>ah yes, why didn't I think of that! I did that exactly trying to play the file with mplayer ... duh
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20:26<l337>who's present?
20:26<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
20:27<l337>anyone like talk?
20:27<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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20:36<yeely>hi, I wanted to see if someone could help me with a GRUB configuration
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20:38<moldovean>yeely, see #grub on
20:38<yeely>thanks moldovean
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20:40<sublime>hi, i have recently installed the gnome package in lenny, but it has installed much more than I would like. Hard drive space is a big concern and was wondering how i can isolate packages, such as evolution and evoluation-exchange to be removed from the system. Assistance/guidance in this matter woudl be greatly appreciated.
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20:43<dpkg>GNOME is a Desktop Environment ("DE", so are <KDE> and <XFCE>) based on GTK+. To get or delete GNOME, ask me about <install gnome> or <remove gnome> respectively. See also <gnome status>. http:/ #gnome-debian on GNOME-related IRC channels:
20:43<jpinx-eeepc>sublime: ↑↑↑
20:44<sublime><remove gnome>
20:44<sublime>jpinx-eeepc: thanks
20:45<rudi_s_>sublime: If you want to keep parts of gnome see install gnome and only install gnome-core.
20:45<jpinx-eeepc>sublime: you might want a lightweight desktop
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20:46<sublime>rudi_s_ and jpinx-eeepc : thank you, i have also involved dpkg in the stuff
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21:33<kincho>hello, does anyone know of a GUI tool to mount cd images?
21:35<jpinx-eeepc>kincho: I suppose it will depend on the desktop you use
21:36<kincho>jpinx-eeepc: gnoem
21:36<kincho>jpinx-eeepc: gnome*
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21:46<kenyon>there is a script all over teh googles for doing that:
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21:53<edbian>Will these be included in Debian 6?
21:56<lindi->edbian: no
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23:57<osirisx>trying to set-up a firewall with fwbuilder on a laptop with dynamic interfaces - i.e. eth0 or wlan0 depending on whether I'm wired or wireless - any ideas on how to handle that situation
23:57<osirisx>(most templates / tutorials focus on fixed interfaces)
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