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00:10<Kouma>hello, anyone know how to decompress linux kernel image (zImage)?
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01:35<foormee>i'm kinda new with debian with some experience with ubuntu and gentoo. what do you recommend to handle services? sysv-rc-conf? or something else? :)
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02:02<smv>foormee, you can use sysv-rc-conf to start/stop services, but scripts from /etc/init.d might know more than just start/stop. you can also use update-rc.d to enable/disable services (disable != remove).
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02:03<foormee>smv: yes, my question is how to say this/that service will be started on startup. i'll take a look at update-rc.d
02:03<foormee>what would be the more debian way of doing things? :)
02:04<glonet>hi pplz can any help me with how to configure jack audio connection kit
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02:07<smv>foormee, update-rc.d should do. remember to use disable not remove if you want to disable a service from being started at startup. the man page might be confusing regarding this.
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02:08<foormee>smv: in update-rc.d's terminology, remove means removing the init scripts, is it correct, while disable means remove the symlinks that activate the script on a certain runlevel?
02:11<smv>foormee, I'm not sure, english is not my main language, but perhaps yes, atleast that's how I see things. I usually am wrong, though. :))
02:12<foormee>smv: haha ok. i'll take a look at the man page
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03:46<sometux>how to get a list of installed packages?
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03:48<cahoot>dpkg -l | grep ^i is one method
03:48<dpkg>No packages found matching | grep ^i is one method
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03:48<sometux>How to get a list of installed packages?
03:49<foormee>dpkg -l
03:49<dpkg>foormee: i don't know
03:49<peke>whats up
03:49<cahoot>sometux: dpkg -l | grep ^i is one method
03:50<peke>hey boy how to do forn compllin g pakets on linux
03:50<jpinx>sometux: do dpkg -l
03:50<blarson>sometux: dpkg --get-selections | grep -v deinstall
03:50<foormee>cahoot: what's the grep ^i for?
03:50<jpinx>peke what release are you running?
03:51<sometux>So, how can I use this list to restore a server?
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03:51<jpinx>peke you really should get up to lenny
03:51<peke>i hav a problem when update metasploit
03:51<blarson>sometux: save the output of dpkg --get-selections and use it with dpkg --get-selections
03:52<peke>can you helpme
03:52<jpinx>!tell peke about etch->lenny
03:52<dpkg>i guess bt is Bhutan, or <bluetooth>, or British Telecom, or <bittorrent>, or <BackTrack>.
03:52<sometux>blarson, Ok, thanks!
03:52<smv>!backtrack peke
03:52<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
03:52<peke>bt 4
03:53<jpinx>smv: ah - that's what it is :)
03:53<sometux>blarson, I need to tell apt-get install to use just packages in the list
03:53<blarson>sometux: second one should be --set-selecitons
03:54<smv>sometux, if i will remember the factoid i'll tell you
03:54<peke>ammmmmmmmmmmmmmm but my problem is i cant to connect to bd
03:54<cahoot>sometux: try the info in /msg dpkg reinstall
03:54<peke>before of update metasploit
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03:55<jpinx>peke: you are not running debian - please take your query to the appropriate channel
03:57<sometux>cahoot, ok, awesome!
03:59*smv remembered the factoid too late
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04:07<oliver_>good morning
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05:42<weechat_user>' action
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06:31<GhostSinger>hi! :)
06:31<chaos-ir1si> <-- need help fixing that plz :)
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06:38<Gathond>chaos-ir1si: noting to do except follow that guide really
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06:39<Gathond>chaos-ir1si: if you modified those scripts yourself, you must correct them to be LSB compliant, and if they are the package maintainers you should file bugs against those files
06:40<GhostSinger>Gathond, can u help me too please after chaos?? that is if u are free
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06:40<Gathond>chaos-ir1si: if you modified them yourselved, you may have identically named files with a .dpkg-dist extension which should be the current maintainer versions, so you can take the header infor from there
06:40<Gathond>GhostSinger: I never commit to those things, just ask the question and if someone knows I'm sure they will answert
06:41<GhostSinger>ok, thanks!
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06:42<chaos>i'm quite sure most of those i haven't touched
06:42<chaos>but what's LSB compliant?
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06:44<GhostSinger>i am trying to install the latest version of handbrake from their svn repository, when i download the source code from the svn repo, there is no tarball and i am unsure on how to proceed to install it.i was reading on the forums on how to install from source, but they all require me to have a tarball to install. and i don't want to go through the make routine as i am a noob and am afraid i'd break something.
06:44<GhostSinger>sorry if it is long :(
06:45<petemc>GhostSinger: what features does the latest version have that arent present in the debian multimedia version?
06:46<GhostSinger>the x264 version has been bumped to 1703
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06:46<GhostSinger>and a whole lot of other fixes
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06:47<GhostSinger>the debian multimedia version is 3460 and the latest is 3496
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06:48<petemc>is there no readme on how to build it?
06:49<petemc>you probably need a shedload of dependencies too..
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06:49<GhostSinger>there is a readme using the make routine
06:49<reklipz>sorry, dc'd
06:49<GhostSinger>and i am not sure about the dependancies needed
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06:50<GhostSinger>dpkg method lists out dependancies needed
06:50<dpkg>GhostSinger: no idea
06:50<GhostSinger>i have even beenreading the debian new maintainers guide
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06:51<Programie>does someone know how to setup a mailserver using SMTP, POP3 and IMAP?
06:51<GhostSinger>and they also use a tarball to install =/
06:51<reklipz>Programie: yes, someone does, :)
06:51<soloflyer>Programie: of course alot of us have
06:51<Gathond>GhostSinger: the steps from extracting the tarball should be the same
06:51<petemc>Programie: use exim4 or postfix for the mta, dovecot does pop3 and imap
06:51<Programie>are there any good how to's?
06:51<Gathond>GhostSinger: you will probably not avoid the make steps though
06:52<Gathond>GhostSinger: it may be possible to download the debian sources and then use those to build a .deb from the SVN source
06:52<GhostSinger>i read soul singin's guide on the deb forums and he used dh_make and dpkg to install from tarball
06:52<soloflyer>petemc: dovecot vs courier?
06:53<GhostSinger>i tried following steps without the tarball but i get and error saying the tarball is missing cannot continue
06:53<Gathond>GhostSinger: provided the tarball has not been changed from the SVN version then you should be able to do the same
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06:53<Gathond>ahhh so dh_make extracts the tarball?
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06:53<petemc>soloflyer: dovecot seems more popular now, its certainly more flexible
06:54<petemc>personally ive stopped running my own mail servers where possible and use google apps
06:54<Gathond>GhostSinger: where are those instructions? (and the SVN repository?)
06:54<GhostSinger>i cd to the directory where the source code is, and i dh_make, then i get an error sayin tar.gz is missing
06:54<soloflyer>petemc: ewww why
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06:54<GhostSinger>1 sec i'll link u
06:55<Programie>which is better: exim4 or postfix?
06:55<reklipz>Starting Network connection manager: wicd failed! -- ohes noes!
06:55<locklace>!start an mta war
06:55<dpkg>smail systems are liable to be r00ted.
06:55<soloflyer>Programie: exim
06:55<petemc>soloflyer: doing it yourself is a pain in the ass
06:55<petemc>Programie: both are good
06:55<locklace>google is a pain in the ass
06:55<GhostSinger>i don't want to go the make install way coz im not sure of the dependancies
06:55<Programie>petemc: ok I try exim4
06:55<petemc>locklace: i find that not to be the case
06:56<GhostSinger>and plus im a noob
06:56<dpkg>Dear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. Please don't bother telling us you're not a "newb", "noob" or "n00b" either. We can tell that too, you probably are, if you have to say you are not.
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06:56<soloflyer>Programie: exim is better only because it has better support withing the debian community as it is the default
06:57<Gathond>GhostSinger: that does not seem to mention dh_make?
06:57<GhostSinger>sorry, i didnt mean to offend or irritate
06:57<GhostSinger>no the dh_make method is in soul singin's guide
06:58<GhostSinger>where he strongly advises against make install if v r unsure about wat v r doin
06:58<dpkg>i guess 1337 is lamer talk for cool,, or shitkitty talk, or
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06:58<Gathond>GhostSinger: no problem, I agree, do you have a link to that guide as well?
06:58<GhostSinger>there it is
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06:58<chaos>ok .. so i purged the packages the config was whining about thinking i'll reinstall them once the migration is done
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06:59<GhostSinger>extremely helpful
06:59<chaos>but it turns out those are gone
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06:59<chaos>where do i find what packages replaced them?
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07:00<Gathond>GhostSinger: running "make fetch" perhaps
07:00<GhostSinger>what will running make fetch do?
07:02<GhostSinger>i had this crazy idea that if i made a tarball out of the source i downloaded, i'd solve my problems, but apparently, u need a special tarball to install
07:03<Gathond>should not be required
07:03<Gathond>if you run dh_make in the directory you got from svn after renaming it to the name_version convention I think it should fork
07:03<GhostSinger>i don't understand y dh_make would need a tarball when the source is there
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07:04<GhostSinger>ya i did change name from hb-trunk to handbrake-0.3496
07:04<GhostSinger>in the svn command itself
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07:04<GhostSinger>and it downloaded the source to handbrake-0.3496 folder
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07:05<Gathond>GhostSinger: just add the last argument in the dh_make error message
07:06<GhostSinger>gimme a second
07:06<Gathond>dh_make --createorig, then it should make the tar.gz it expects
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07:08<GhostSinger>dh_make -createorig, i tried that
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07:09<GhostSinger>it creates a folder named handbrake_0.3496.orig
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07:09<GhostSinger>no tarball
07:10<GhostSinger>Could not find handbrake_0.3496.orig.tar.gz
07:11<GhostSinger>with dh_make -createorig a folder is created, no tarball
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07:18<GhostSinger>even if u try dpkg-buildpackage after dh-make --createorig, u get this error
07:18<GhostSinger>dpkg-source: error: can't build with source format '3.0 (quilt)': no orig.tar file found
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07:21<lindi->GhostSinger: that's a known bug
07:21<reklipz>damn, wicd daemon is using 4% cpu
07:22<GhostSinger>that means i cannot install without a tarball?
07:22<lindi->GhostSinger: read the report
07:22<Gathond>GhostSinger: ok, I think I got something
07:22<Gathond>dh_make seems a bit broken
07:22<lindi->GhostSinger: workaround is to create the tarball yourself or use older dh-make
07:23<GhostSinger>how do i create my own tarball?
07:23<Gathond>GhostSinger: if you just make the tarball yourself from the original SVN bit, thenyou can use dh_make -f ../name to do it
07:23<GhostSinger>i tried just archivin it, it doesn't work
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07:23<reklipz>badass! web server up and running on my ARM board
07:24<GhostSinger>is there any links to where i can read up on making my own tarball?
07:24<reklipz>man tar?
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07:36<chaos>which packages replaces sfs-server? or where do i find out for myself plz?
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07:37<abrotman>sfs-server does what?
07:38<chaos-ir1si> <-- apt-cache show sfs-server
07:38<chaos-ir1si>before i purged it so i can go on with migration
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07:39<abrotman>maybe sshfs ?
07:40<abrotman>i don't know the intricacies of how sfs-server works, so that's the best i can think of for a secure remote filesystem .. i think
07:41<GhostSinger>Gathond, lindi- and reklipz, thank you for your help, i am gonna try archivin it and then installing it!! :)
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07:41<chaos>maybe i'll just let it go and bother fixing it if something got broken :)
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07:41<reklipz>GhostSinger: no problems, I'm not sure what I helped with though!
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07:43<GhostSinger>man tar!!
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08:01<Gathond>GhostSinger: I'm not sure that is enough, it seems handbrake has a build system which does not know what --include means for the configure script
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08:04<abrotman>why is he building handbrake ?
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08:06<Gathond>abrotman: some new feature he wanted/needed
08:06<abrotman>it's not even in debian ..
08:06<abrotman>GhostSinger: what does handbrake do that you can't get from another package ?
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08:08*Gathond wonders who makes a build system withouth --includedir support, broken piece of garbage
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08:38<lambo>whats up
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08:51<vianney>bonjour tout le monde
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08:52<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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08:59<chaos>i've put umask=777 in my fstab but the mount still results in 755 :( how to fix it?
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09:00<chaos>it's a samba shared disk from vista to linux
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09:03<fufler>hello. i'm wondering how to install adoble-flash plugin on my debian x64 system? is there any how-to? i used apt-get install, but my browser still says that i should install the latest flash plugin version
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09:05<abrotman>!tell fufler about adobe flash
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09:08<chaos>they pulled the support iirc?
09:09<krishnasut>Hello my friends !! gtk themes are ugly .. is not it ? is there any way to make it more cool !!
09:10<chaos>i just love it when my customer is whining about design but can't make up his own damn mind what he really wants
09:11<abrotman>krishnasut: you could create your own .. or use one of the hundreds available
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09:13<krishnasut>Thanks ! But gtk itself is ugly !! any solution ..
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09:15<devil>krishnasut: use kde :)
09:15<abrotman>krishnasut: are you just trolling?
09:16<GhostSinger>m back! hi! :)
09:16<GhostSinger>abrotman, i want handbrake because it is a very good video encoding tool that uses x264
09:17<krishnasut>I am sorry !!
09:17<abrotman>GhostSinger: ffmpeg? or whatever it's called?
09:17<GhostSinger>im not very familiar with ffmpeg, but i think handbrake is more flexible with more options
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09:19<abrotman>GhostSinger: which version of debian are you on ?
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09:19<GhostSinger>im actually on a derivative of debian squeeze
09:20<ander>has anyone any clue why with some ftp-clients dir listing includes dates in title and because of that cd fails. i'm using pure-ftpd-ldap on lenny.
09:20<abrotman>awesome .. not even using debian
09:20<abrotman>!tell GhostSinger about dmm
09:20<abrotman>GhostSinger: now please go to whatever channel your distro uses for support
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09:20<GhostSinger>dude i dont mean to troll or offend
09:21<ander>filezilla is okay. but, for example, when i use lftp and type CLS, it shows me broken titles.
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09:21<abrotman>I realize that, but this channel is for Debian users. You are not one
09:21<GhostSinger>i am kinda new and was ookin for somethin friendly to help in my trnsition thats all
09:21<ander>this is strange, since i use similar configuration in another debian box.
09:21<GhostSinger>ok, i am sorry
09:21<abrotman>GhostSinger: which linux are you using?
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09:22<abrotman>GhostSinger: they have #crunchbang-linux on i believe .. not sure if those DMM packages will work for you, but you could try them .. though they might also break your system
09:22<abrotman>this is one of hte reasons it's hard for us to support non-Debian people .. we don't know what your distro has done to Debian
09:22<GhostSinger>debian multi media has an outdated version of handbrake
09:22<abrotman>GhostSinger: sorry, it's #crunchbang on
09:23<abrotman>okay, have a nice day!
09:23<GhostSinger>oh, ok im gone, thanks for ur help!! have a good day!
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09:38<chaos>seems like umask support in cifs-utils 2:4.5-2 is broken at least dir_mode works
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09:40<dpkg>luckyy75: VATTENE VIA!
09:41<dpkg>luckyy75: VATTENE VIA!
09:41<abrotman>luckyy75: stop already
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10:09<reklipz>Hey folks. I just found out that dyndns doesn't offer free wildcard services.
10:09<reklipz>If I setup my own name server (BIND?), would that enable me to have the wildcards?
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10:18<Mario>i got a weird problem. mplayer does not work (could not connect to socket) but smplayer does. why isn't it the other way around???
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10:20<Mario>any idea what is going on? mplayer seems to be installed properly, else smplayer would not work
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10:33<locklace>Mario: does it work as root or another user
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10:39<job_>anybody knows a good way of installing linksys wireless card wpc54g without using ndiswrapper?
10:39<dpkg>The Linksys WPC54G "Wireless-G Notebook Adapter" is a 802.11g CardBus device. For support of version 1 (PCI-ID 14e4:4320), ask me about <b43legacy>. For version 2 (PCI-ID 104c:9066), ask about <acx100>. For version 3 (PCI-ID 14e4:4318), ask about <b43>. For version 4 (PCI-ID 17fe:2220), ask about <ipn2220>. For version 5 (PCI-ID 11ab:1faa), ask about <88w8335>. For version 7 (PCI-ID 168c:001a), ask about <ath5k>.
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10:40<job_>i will look into it. be back
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10:40<job_>by the way on squeeze
10:41<job_>version 3
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10:42<abrotman>squeeze version 3 ?
10:42<job_>no wpc54g v3
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10:46<abrotman>oh .. gotcha
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10:48<Blacker47>hello. i have switched to squeeze and have problems with postgresql upgrade. i need both, 8.4 and old 8.3 versions installed to convert the db but 8.3 is allready removed and aptitude wants to remove a lot of packages to install 8.3 postgresql-server. what can i do?
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10:56<abrotman>isn't there like a pg_upgrade_cluster?
10:56<Blacker47>yes but pg_upgradecluster seems to need both, 8.3 and 8.4 running
10:57<reklipz>in apache, how do I serve a directory on my file system, say /var/www, on a url of a host, say http://localhost/virtualwww
10:59<Blacker47>reklipz, Alias /virtualwww/ "/var/www/", <Directory "/var/www">....
10:59<reklipz>ahh yes... thank you
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11:00<Blacker47>not sure, but this is how /doc is defined in default-setup
11:00<reklipz>my beagle board can't keep up with apache2, :/
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11:08<yukbut>hey guys, while trying to install the libc6-dev package i get this error: libc6 (= 2.7-18lenny4) but 2.11.2-2 is to be installed
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11:09<themill>yukbut: mixing lenny and sid isn't a great plan. What are you trying to do to that box?
11:09<yukbut>themill: so how do I install the libc6-dev for lenny
11:11<yukbut>themill: wasn't aware I mixed the two together
11:11<themill>yukbut: the output of "apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy libc6 libv6-dev perl dpkg" would be handy at this stage. Stick it in a pastebin (/msg dpkg paste) for us.
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11:18<yukbut>themill: one second
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11:24<nutxase>anyone here that can help?
11:24<themill>yukbut: that looks like you have a very interesting mix of lenny and sid or squeeze. You don't have sid/squeeze repos in your sources.list any more it seems, but you once did and have some packages from those releases installed.
11:24<nutxase>anyone know about disk quotas?
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11:25<themill>yukbut: it would be useful to see what packages you have installed from some release other than lenny -- "/msg dpkg not available" and pastebin the result of that rather long aptitude search.
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11:26<nutxase>my sda keeps running out of space and i cant see why
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11:28<yukbut>themill: what is the command you want me to run ?
11:28<themill>!not available
11:28<dpkg>To get a list of packages that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))'
11:29<themill>yukbut: ↑↑ that one
11:29<yukbut>themill: thanks
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11:45<yukbut>yukbut: does the fact that I'm using voyage linux which is based on debian have anything to do with this
11:45<yukbut>yukbut: they say its fully compatibale. Im also gettnig pam-auth-update errors all the time as well
11:45<themill>quite possibly.... I've never heard of them and have no idea how good they are at maintianing their repostitories etc. You should ask them about this...
11:46<yukbut>themill: thanks
11:46<yukbut>debain rules
11:46<themill>if you were just using debian, I'd say that you could probably downgrade that all back to lenny (/msg dpkg partial downgrade) but it won't be that pretty... or you could complete the upgrade the squeeze. With 3rd party packages in there, I don't know how well that will work. Quite badly is a distinct possibility
11:47<yukbut>themill: what if I remove the 3rd party packages
11:48<yukbut>themill: actually I am going to put vanilla debian on here. but is there a way to custom bulid the entire system like, build world or something so it will run on my old hardware
11:48<yukbut>themill: with cflags and what not
11:48<themill>yukbut: that's neither useful nor necessary, as a rule
11:48<AlexMax>dpkg lenny->squeeze
11:48<dpkg>Ask me about <squeeze udev>, as you will need to upgrade to the squeeze kernel and reboot first. Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile) or bpo, then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` ; reboot; aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>, <squeeze release notes>.
11:49<AlexMax>dpkg squeeze udev
11:49<dpkg>As of <udev> 150 in squeeze, Linux kernel 2.6.27 or newer is required (i.e. upgrade kernel and udev at the same time). If udev installation fails and you already have a squeeze kernel installed, then reboot into the new kernel and "aptitude -f install ; aptitude safe-upgrade" to continue. See also <squeeze kernel>, <kernel abi>,
11:49<AlexMax>dpkg d-d-a
11:49<dpkg>debian-devel-announce is an announcement list to which major Debian developments are posted. If you are running releases beyond <stable>, then YOU are part of the development process; it is your responsibility to read it (no excuses!) or risk missing important announcements. "mailx -s 'subscribe' < /dev/null" or See also <apt-listchanges>.
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11:50<themill>AlexMax: feel free to talk to dpkg in a private message
11:50<AlexMax>my apologies
11:52<Blacker47>my postgresql 8.3->8.4 problem: i have lenny and squeeze package sources in apt and if i try to install one package, apt wants to remove ~700 packages (don't exactly know, why). how to install 1-2 packages without to remove the ~700 packages what should be where?
11:52<abrotman>Blacker47: i thought the upgrade_cluster didn't need both
11:53<Blacker47>abrotman, i get sayed in #postgresql on freenode, what i need 8.3 if i want to convert my 8.3 DB. and additionaly pg_upbradecluster don't work so
11:53<Blacker47>i get cluster it not running error
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11:55<Blacker47>but there seem to be no cross-dependencies, wo installing 8.3 should work.. the only problem is, that i don't figure out, how to stop apt/aptitude to try to remove the half system
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12:03<bzed>Blacker47: at least make sure to report your issues as bug, at least with important severity. there should be a working upgrade path for pg...
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12:27<Blacker47>ok, the solution was to download postgreql-8.3 by hand and use dpkg --force-depends -i <bla.deb>
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12:39<mib_g8306w>is there sometthing wrong wiith lenny?
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12:40<mib_g8306w>When installing lenny via network install i get to the grub install and it fails everytime
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13:00<AnOnImEn>server 8888
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13:07<cheako>Hello, I have a file that contains say 100 sections. Each section contains 30 to 50 lines that are mostly identical. How can I collapse each section into a diff?
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13:19<mib_g8306w>When installing lenny via network install i get to the grub install and it fails everytime
13:19<brielle>what error message does it say?
13:19<brielle>(check the F4 console)
13:21<mib_g8306w>I can't install grub2 , grub 1, lilo
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13:22<brielle>as soon as the red screen comes up, switch to console on F4
13:22<brielle>and what does it say as the reason why
13:23<brielle>and what filesystem did you make the /boot and / be?
13:23<mib_g8306w>I will have to try the installer again..
13:23<mib_g8306w>it was /
13:23<brielle>what filesystem
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13:24<brielle>ok, then your best bet to is to see what the F4 console says :)
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14:00<Frosh>wat are the links for /etc/apt/sources.list stable?
14:03<blarson>!tell Frosh about sources.list
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15:31<SteeC>got a problem mounting an ipod shuffle
15:31<SteeC>dmesg shows sdb and sdb1 but sdb1 never shows up in /dev
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15:38<abrotman>any errors in dmesg with it ?
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15:39<SteeC>nope it all looks fine
15:39<SteeC>other thumb drives mount fine on /dev/sdb1
15:39<SteeC>and it mounted fine on my other debian box
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15:54<cockroach>hey, small question: i have a usb-to-serial adapter that, when plugged in my laptop, gets recognized as a usb hid device (which it is not supposed to be). is there a simple way to prevent that? (it's quite annoying when random serial data is interpreted as mouse activity) :)
15:55<cockroach>i mean: what's the easiest way to prevent that...
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15:59<locklace>cockroach: what kernel version
16:01<cockroach>locklace: latest testing, 2.6.32-5-686. but also, it seems it only happened the first time i connected the adapter. rebooting now to verify that...
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16:03<cockroach>locklace: yup, seems to have fixed itself, sorry for the noise.
16:03<ComradeHaz`>Hi all, what is the Debian Way (tm) when it comes to installing .debs?
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16:05<ffws>ComradeHaz`: dpkg
16:05<ComradeHaz`>OK, that's what I thought.
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16:06<moldovean>ComradeHaz`, but , ask before installing random .debs
16:07<ComradeHaz`>:) mythbuntu-diskless-server?!
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16:14<banished>Hi, is the numbe rof entries in /var/log/auth.log somehow limited?
16:15<brielle>no, its rotated by logrotate on a specific schedule
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16:15<bremner>!tell ComradeHaz` -about mythbuntu
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16:17<banished>brielle: so it is possible that older entries get lost, even without a reboot?
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16:17<brielle>yes, if they've been rotated out
16:17<brielle>look for auth.log.* files in the same directory
16:17<banished>ah, thank you
16:17<ComradeHaz`>bremner, have you a comment to make?! :D
16:18<brielle>depending on how your system is setup, they may be compressed
16:18<bremner>ComradeHaz`: just that this is not the support channel for mythbuntu
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16:18<ComradeHaz`>I didn't ask for support.
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16:18<brielle>banished: on my system, it rotates auth.log weekly
16:18<bremner>ComradeHaz`: did you read the private message from dpkg?
16:18<ComradeHaz`>Not for myhtbuntu.
16:18<brielle>and compresses the old ones
16:18<ComradeHaz`>Yes. I know what it is.
16:18<brielle>so I send up with auth.log.0, auth.log.1.gz, etc
16:19<brielle>can easily read the compressed ones with 'zless' :)
16:19<ComradeHaz`>I am setting up a Debian machine to serve a network-bootable Mythbuntu image.
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16:40<jhutchins_lt2>ComradeHaz`: That seems...wrong.
16:40<ben_>Hi there! Is anybode here to able to help me to solve a problem using network bridging?
16:40<ComradeHaz`>Hmm? How so?
16:40<jhutchins_lt2>ComradeHaz`: Doesn't seem like the kind of thing you would want to run off a net disk.
16:40<brielle>ben: what kind of problem are you having?
16:41<jhutchins_lt2>ComradeHaz`: High IO.
16:41<brielle>jhutchins_lt2: maybe he's got a gige trunk with alot of links? :)
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16:42<ComradeHaz`>Moderately high, but running giogabit network that's giving i/o's faster than single disk speeds as target server is a RAID5
16:42<ben_>brielle: I want to use KVM. The manual instructs me to add br0. I use DHCP. br0 gets the old IP; eth0 has no ip. Thats how it claims it should be. Now my problem: I cannot ping that IP any longer from an external PC. I guess actually what I want is: eth0 keep the old ip and br0 get a separate one. Do I missunderstand sth.?
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16:44<Gathond>ben_: naah, that sounds right, the bridge only has one IP and is the sum of whatever is bridged
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16:44<ben_>Gathond: Ok: But how do I keep my server services accessible through my former IP?
16:44<Gathond>ben_: is there any firewall rules etc which may have to be changed?
16:45<Gathond>ben_: every interface on the bridge (virtual or not) should respond to that IP
16:45<Gathond>if you want multiple IP's you should use virtual interfaces, not a bridge
16:45<ben_>Gathond: Thanks for the info. Actually I do not want multiple IPs for my host system. I thought only this is the way to go
16:45<Gathond>logically the bridge behaves as one networkcard, so unless the firewall or something else blocks it only the bridge should have the IP
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16:46<ben_>Gathond: The bridge gets that IP. That seems fine. But why can i no longer ping that machine.
16:46<Gathond>you don't have any firewall rules which happens to have -i eth0 as an argument do you?
16:46<Gathond>I think those may need to be rewritten
16:46<ben_>Gathond: The remoet desctop say "target not reachable"
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16:46<Gathond>does the bridge get the right IP?
16:46<ben_>Gathond: hmm.....
16:47<brielle>back sorry, one of my Xen hosts just dropped its networking for no reason
16:47<brielle>had to check on it
16:47<ben_>Gathond: I thgought i ha dnot set up any fw, but u might be right
16:47<brielle>should dump your firewall
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16:48<ben_>brielle: Ahhh,.. Gott that. Actually I DO have a fw config. Hmm. Maybe bastille installed that one.
16:49<ben_>Gathond: Yes. Bridge gets the right IP. I think I really missed that actually I do have some firewall rules enabled.
16:50<brielle>np :)
16:50<ben_>Gathdon & brielle: Any hint which startup script might setup those iftable rules?
16:50<brielle>ben: firewall rules tend to bite me in the ass all the time.
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16:50<brielle>check in /etc/init.d/
16:50<brielle>for a firewall script perhaps?
16:50<ben_>already checking
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16:51<ben_>bastille-firewall.... there it goes!
16:51<brielle>there we go :)
16:51<ben_>x-| ... I was to silly to remember.
16:51*brielle is developing her own firewall package, so is quite familiar with issues like this
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16:52<ben_>brielle & gathond: Thank u A LOT for your quick support! That really helped me to spot the problem. I tried 1,5h till now :-)
16:52<brielle>no prob
16:52<brielle>alot of people helped me when I first got started
16:52<brielle>always happy to return the favor :)
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17:07<ben_>brielle/Gathond: WORKED! I needed to tell bastille-firewall, that br0 is a public interface. They only expected eth+ and ppp+ as public if. Thanks a lot for the hint on iptables-save!
17:07<brielle>good! glad to hear
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17:07<Gathond>ben_: good to hear
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17:20<ComradeHaz`>Guys, grey area on which channel to ask in here: On a debian system, if I want to use ltsp to pull in 'mythbuntu' what would I need to do? Install their version of ltsp?
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17:21<abrotman>ComradeHaz`: shouldn't you ask the mythbuntu people ?
17:21<ComradeHaz`>Well, I dunno. As I say, I'm running it on a Debian machine.....
17:21<ComradeHaz`>(and they don't know and tell me to ask you :D )
17:22<abrotman>i'm going to take a guess that mixing debian and *buntu is going to end in pain
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17:22<ComradeHaz`>I know :(
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17:23<ComradeHaz`>what could happen if I install the ubuntu version of ltsp?
17:23<ComradeHaz`>(from a deb usin dpkg?)
17:23<abrotman>it could trash your entire system .. have fun!
17:23<ComradeHaz`>It could?
17:23<ComradeHaz`>How so?
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17:26<abrotman>you try it .. let us know how it works out for you .. it's not a Debian problem
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17:33<ComradeHaz`>Aye, I'll come crying back here for help when I break it all :D
17:33<ComradeHaz`>(assuming #debuntu can't help me! ;) )
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17:56<ComradeHaz`>Guys, trying to install virtualbox-ose as per
17:57<ComradeHaz`>step 3 is failing for me as vboxdrv is not found
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17:57<abrotman>which versoin of debian ?
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17:58<abrotman>where do you see step 3 ?
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17:58<abrotman>those are the lenny instructions ?
17:58<dominicferrarini>Hello room. Linux virgin looking for help dualbooting a macbook
17:58<ComradeHaz`>Ah. Crap.
17:58*ComradeHaz` hangs his head in shame
17:58<abrotman>ComradeHaz`: see the Squeeze, they should be closer
17:59<ComradeHaz`>Right, thanks.
17:59<ComradeHaz`>Sorry about that.
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17:59*ComradeHaz` <<<<< Fool
18:00<chade>Does anyone know anything about installing on a mac?
18:00<bursihido>hello i am getting problem to installing .bin in linux mint ...
18:00<bursihido>./java_ee_sdk-5_01-linux.bin: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
18:00<abrotman>bursihido: you should ask the Mint channel, wherever that is
18:00<abrotman>bursihido: #linuxmint on
18:00<bursihido>where is mint channel
18:00<abrotman>chade: there's a whole wiki page of macbook info
18:01<chade>Thanks for the link.
18:01<chade>first attempt so even the wiki is confusing
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18:02<abrotman>it's a lot of info
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18:02<ComradeHaz`>Hmm, what do I need installed in order that software such as VB look reasonably pretty in xfce?
18:03<chade>it is, I've read it 7 or 8 times and am still confused. almost had openSUSE installed but had a boot error
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18:05<ComradeHaz`>hmm, no Debian-xfce, then?! :(
18:07<lindi->ComradeHaz`: VB?
18:08<ComradeHaz`>Sorry, I assumed that would carry from context.
18:08*lindi- didn't read context
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18:08<lindi->ComradeHaz`: it looks somehow unpretty?
18:08<ComradeHaz`>Yeah, I can't actually make out what some of it says
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18:08<lindi->ComradeHaz`: odd, that sounds like a bug
18:09<abrotman>ComradeHaz`: in the virtual machine? or the applicatoin ?
18:09<ComradeHaz`>I think there's some stuff that should be gentle shadows but is lots of messed up hard dots
18:09<lindi->ComradeHaz`: what's the name of the package?
18:09<ComradeHaz`>vitualbox itself running in xfce
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18:09<abrotman>ComradeHaz`: aptitude install xorg ? see if it installs other font packages etc
18:10<ComradeHaz`>lindi-, not sure how to answer your last.....
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18:10<ComradeHaz`>nope, abrotman.
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18:10<lindi->ComradeHaz`: well how did you install virtualbox?
18:11<ComradeHaz`>aptitude from unstable repo's
18:11<ComradeHaz`>(or whatever they're in - I'm running unstable
18:11<lindi->ComradeHaz`: do you have "Qt based user interface"?
18:12<ComradeHaz`>I'm not sure!
18:12<ComradeHaz`>GTK based aparently
18:12<lindi->ComradeHaz`: run the command 'apt-cache policy virtualbox-ose-qt'
18:13<ComradeHaz`>What are you after?
18:13<lindi->ComradeHaz`: I'd like to know if you have that package installed or not
18:14<ComradeHaz`>It appears so, yes.
18:15<ComradeHaz`>"sudo aptitude install virtualbox-ose virtualbox-ose-modules-$(uname -r)" is what I ran to install...
18:16<lindi->ComradeHaz`: to me it seems that should use the Qt interface but well, don't have test machine for it now :(
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18:19<FiendKing04>Probably more of a question of opinion, but.. what's the general consensus on Debian as a server? I've wanted to use it for a while, looked around, people say it's good as a server, but sucks as a general desktop. Any truth to that?
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18:19<ComradeHaz`>A Debian Server runs my life.
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18:20<ComradeHaz`>My laptop is also Debian.
18:20<ComradeHaz`>So yes and no respectively.
18:20<kabibonokka><FiendKing04> I've been using Debian as my desktop for the last 10 years.
18:20<FiendKing04>I used PCLinuxOS for a while, and I've been wanting to switch over my desktops/laptops/servers to Debian.
18:20<ComradeHaz`>and I'm not even a fan-boy!
18:21<FiendKing04>I've been "researching" Debian for about three years now. :p
18:21<kabibonokka>For servers prefer Gentoo. Sorry <ALL> :)
18:21<FiendKing04>Like I said, it's purely a matter of opinions, especially with different distros.
18:22<ComradeHaz`>Traitor! :P
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18:22<lindi->FiendKing04: well surely it depends on what you value
18:22<FiendKing04>I've read enough to know that I want Debian, I'm just asking here to see the general opinion from the community.
18:23<Nemoder>I've also used debian as a desktop for about 10 years, though I run Testing for it, but Stable is great for a server.
18:23<kabibonokka>Being serious - Debian as server distro is good especially for a not very experienced sysadmin.
18:23<FiendKing04>My friend runs CentOS, but, I've just had more Debian DVD's burnt than I can count. xD
18:23<FiendKing04>I just always having installation problems. :p
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18:24<Nemoder>try it again then, if you get stuck ask here for help :)
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18:25<FiendKing04>Ooh, wait, there was ONE time I got it working as a desktop...
18:25<FiendKing04>..but the graphics sucked SO hardcore on the computer. >.<
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18:25<ComradeHaz`>if nvidia, pretty easy to sort out.
18:26<FiendKing04>I don't even remember anymore, it's when I first tried to get it working.
18:26<ComradeHaz`>If ati apparently pretty easy but I've never done it!
18:26<FiendKing04>This has an AMD/ATi set-up, ick, TBH... can't wait to get one of mine built so I can give it back.
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18:27<FiendKing04>Personal preference is HP/Intel/nVIDIA. <3
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18:28<Nemoder>shouldn't have any problems with graphics for basic stuff, it's opengl apps when things can be a headache without installing custom drivers
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18:28<abrotman_>depends on your hardware
18:29<ComradeHaz`>So, guys, do I need concern myself as what user I run the virtual machine?
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18:29<ComradeHaz`>I am afraid I don't really know how virtual machines 'sit' in relation to the host os.
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18:29<chade>Is it beneficial at all to dual boot on a macbook as opposed to just running in virtualbox?
18:30<ComradeHaz`>Depends on your usage requirements, chade.
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18:30<chade>what usage reqs?
18:30<ComradeHaz`>You will never get full performance running a virtual machine
18:30<ComradeHaz`>but if you want to have macOS and linux running simultaneously, then a vbox is for you
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18:30<chade>Understandably so. I usually put 512mb ram into the virtual machine
18:31<ComradeHaz`>Well, the choice is yours then!
18:31<chade>hmm. I'm just debating on whether or not I want to go through the risk of installing the dual boot
18:31<kabibonokka><ComradeHaz`> Not really. VM works as a usual application and all kernel stuff it does through it's specific modules. At least VMware.
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18:32<FiendKing04>Sorry, went AFK-ish... I was also wondering about all this "Command Line" stuff.. it seems quite confusing to me, TBH. :p The server is going to have a 3.20Ghz dual-core and 2.75GB DDR-SDRAM with a 512MB nVIDIA, so, I'm guessing that I should probably stick with GNOME until I get used to the Terminal?
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18:33<abrotman>nah .. it's not really as hard as you think
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18:34<FiendKing04>I've been working on finishing up my IRC bot... I'm hoping that's at least got me in the proper "coding" mindset.
18:34<ComradeHaz`>thanks kabibonokka :)
18:34<kabibonokka><FiendKing04> Sorry, but I have to disappoint you, man. If the command line stuff confuses you it is gonna be quite difficult to maintina that server. GNOME isn't much help either :(
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18:35<FiendKing04>I know! XD
18:35<FiendKing04>I need to get it in gear. ;p
18:35*ComradeHaz` doesn't have a keyboard, mouse or monitor attached to his debian box!
18:35<kabibonokka>Servers mostly don't have window manages at all. It is a big leak in security.
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18:36<FiendKing04>Makes it that much easier for a script kiddie to get a hold of it?
18:36<ComradeHaz`>Yeah, I kind of cheat as I use it as the 'always on' machine of the house
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18:37<ComradeHaz`>trickling downloads and stuff using apps that only run in WM's
18:37<ComradeHaz`>Hence Xfce.
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18:37<FiendKing04>If you don't have anything at all hooked up to it, how do you access it?
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18:37<FiendKing04>Obviously power cord and Ethernet... you access from another on the network?
18:38<ComradeHaz`>Yeah, a Windows 7 box at the moment!
18:38<kabibonokka><FiendKing04> Not necessary, but you'll have to take additional precautions anyway. More idle work.
18:38<ComradeHaz`>Right. VirtualBox is not playing ball.
18:39<FiendKing04>Well, I very much want to do it.
18:39<ComradeHaz`>Tells me kernel driver is not installed and to run modproe vboxdrv as root.
18:39<kabibonokka><FiendKing04> SSH is only way.
18:39<FiendKing04>It's my passion with computers.
18:39<FiendKing04>SSH, that's the name of it!
18:39<ComradeHaz`>Well, yeah, all command line stuff is done over ssh
18:39*FiendKing04 goes and reads some more. :p
18:40<ComradeHaz`>It's always fun on those times you have to reboot after a kernel upgrade.... Waiting to see if it's going to become sshable again!
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18:40<kabibonokka><FiendKing04> Good luck :)
18:40<lindi->ComradeHaz`: no need to do that, you use qemu to test if it boots
18:40<FiendKing04>Thank you.
18:41<ComradeHaz`>!tell ComradeHaz` about qemu
18:41<FiendKing04>I'll be idling in here a lot more as we get closer to installing it.
18:41<lindi->ComradeHaz`: bit more complex solution is to use grub failback and watchdog/panic=60 boot option to boot back to working kernel after timeout
18:41<kabibonokka><ComradeHaz`> Nop, man grub :) GRUB can do all job for you. It can boot old kernel if the new one fails to boot.
18:42<lindi->kabibonokka: it's bit tricky remotely
18:42<ComradeHaz`>Interesting lindi-, too tired to absorb that now, but will perhaps pick your brains about that another time! :)
18:42<ComradeHaz`>Now, anyone know what virtual box is moaning about?!
18:42<kabibonokka><lindi-> Well, life is tricky itself, isn't it? ;)
18:43<lindi->kabibonokka: please use "nick: .." instead of "<nick> .."
18:43<lindi->kabibonokka: what you are doing now is very confusing
18:43<kabibonokka>lindi-: no prob.
18:44<FiendKing04>lindi-: I agree... it looks like the start of a quote, you go to scroll up, and.. :p
18:45<FiendKing04>So, I know it's a security risk, but, would it be O.K. for, while I'm still learning to SSH, to have it in my room, networked with GNOME on it?
18:47<ComradeHaz`>It's not that big a risk
18:47<FiendKing04>I've also seen the requirements, and, they are... quite low compared to Microsoft stuff - almost said crap :p - ...but, is there an "average" as far as what a decent home server has, or is that completely different person to person on Debian?
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18:47<lindi->imho the largest risk is sudo + web browser as the same user
18:47<ComradeHaz`>Just if you're a pro running a major mission critical server, you don't have a desktop envirnment if you don;t need to.
18:48<ComradeHaz`>Hmm, interesting point lindi
18:48<FiendKing04>That is a good point.
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18:48<lindi->if there's a bug in your web browser and you can execute code, you can just wait in the background for the next time you use sudo and then get root privileges instantly
18:49<FiendKing04>Well, like you said, I can just SSH into it, and keep it running in my room if I need to switch anything out, but, until then, I'd like for it to be right next to me to check up on everything.
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18:49<lindi->the only real solution at the moment is to always login as root or some admin-only account use sudo
18:50*ComradeHaz` can
18:50*ComradeHaz` can't get virtualbox to play nice
18:50<FiendKing04>Ooh, that's another question. :)
18:50<FiendKing04>What should the server be running as.. a normal user that can sudo when needed?
18:50<FiendKing04>I'm assuming that would be ideal?
18:51<FiendKing04>I know on PCLiunxOS I had a normal account that I could sudo with if I needed to, but, TBH, I didn't need it like Windows tries to force you to..
18:51<ComradeHaz`>It wouldn't be 'running as' anything in particular
18:51<ComradeHaz`>You don't think like that.
18:51<ComradeHaz`>services that need be root will be.
18:52<ComradeHaz`>Those you initiate won't (neccessarilly) be.
18:53<FiendKing04>So... when the server boots up, it doesn't log in to anything, it's just in Terminal until you SSH to it?
18:53<ComradeHaz`>Well, it starts all teh services that you have told it to start.
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18:54<ComradeHaz`>So if mine goes down when it comes back up dhcp server, file sharing server, print servers etc all start automagically
18:54<ComradeHaz`>but no users would be logged in
18:54<ComradeHaz`>(other than (arguably) root)
18:55<ComradeHaz`>(and a few others but that clouds the issue)
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18:55<FiendKing04>What about if others outside of the Intranet need to SSH in?
18:55<FiendKing04>Would it be the same process as with the local network?
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18:56<ComradeHaz`>as long as your router forwards appropriate machines to the machine, sure.
18:56<FiendKing04>Cool. :)
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18:56<ComradeHaz`>You can trivially get files from or put files onto your computer from just about anywhere.
18:56<FiendKing04>I've heard of others using the server as a router, but, let's stick to the basics for now. :p
18:57<ComradeHaz`>When I went on holiday to Bulgaria (from UK) this holiday, every night I pushed my photographs home from the hotel
18:57<kabibonokka>You need to understand the idea of privileges of a certain user and programs running with those privileges. Shell (bash) is one of that programs and you call it "command line", terminal etc/
18:57<ComradeHaz`>ZSH FTW!
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18:57<kabibonokka>ComradeHaz`: It is a religious question ;)
18:58<FiendKing04>Again... I've been running Windows my entire life.. well, since I was five.. so.. 13 years now.
18:58<abrotman>i thnk i've been using Debian almost that long
18:58<FiendKing04>I adore the *NIX idea, but, like I said... Windows has made it too simple. -.-
18:59<FiendKing04>For the normal people and the "villains".
18:59<ComradeHaz`>"adduser: The group `vboxusers' does not exist." <---- What the?!!
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19:00<kabibonokka>ComradeHaz`: Should it?
19:00<ComradeHaz`> Implies so.
19:00<kabibonokka>Is it virtual bos cry?
19:01<kabibonokka>bos - box
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19:01<kabibonokka>I mean is it your virtual box complaining about the absence of `vboxusers' group?
19:02<ComradeHaz`>Well, not directly. During install it throws Starting VirtualBox kernel modules... No suitable module for running kernel found ... failed!
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19:02<ComradeHaz`>(I only just spotted that after doing purge and retrying.
19:02<kabibonokka>ComradeHaz`: modprobe [modulename] helps?
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19:04<ComradeHaz`>Well, assuming I am modprobing the right thing I think that's the issue: FATAL: Module vboxdrv not found.
19:04<kabibonokka>I've never used virtual box so just guessing ;) But VMWare has similar way of running. I think you need to compile it.
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19:05*ComradeHaz` whips out module assistant and spanks it
19:06<kabibonokka>ComradeHaz`: I mean your virtula box should have either precompiled modules for your distro or ot should contain source codes for manual compiling.
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19:08<kabibonokka>Once I played with Virtual Box but at that moment it didn't support USB so I didn't like it.
19:08<ComradeHaz`>Think I've got it
19:08<ComradeHaz`>module assistant didn't have the latest headers
19:09<kabibonokka>headers for what? Heades must match your kernel.
19:09<astronut>m-a prepare
19:09<kabibonokka>If we are talking about kernel headers which are used during compilation.
19:09<astronut>will install the headers
19:10*FiendKing04 is so lost. :p
19:11<kabibonokka>FiendKing04: The more you learn the less you know ;)
19:12<ComradeHaz`>FiendKing04, truth is, we just make it up as we go along
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19:12<FiendKing04>Is there a better way of doing it?
19:13<kabibonokka>FiendKing04: What?
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19:13<kabibonokka>Doing what?
19:13<FiendKing04>(2010-08-29 19:11:50) ComradeHaz`: FiendKing04, truth is, we just make it up as we go along
19:13<FiendKing04>Is there a better system? :p
19:13<ComradeHaz`>Hell no!
19:13<FiendKing04>There you go. xD
19:14<chade>so, are you able to use themes in virtualbox?
19:14<kabibonokka>FiendKing04: Better for whom? Better for what?
19:14<chade>desktop themes, window themes, things of that nature
19:14<ComradeHaz`>Grr. Didn't realise virtual box only ran 32 bit :/
19:14<kabibonokka>It is all relative.
19:14<FiendKing04>kabibonokka: I was just going with the confusion. :p
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19:15<kabibonokka>I understand. I'm in a philosophical mood tonight ;)
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19:16*ComradeHaz` doesn't like the way the crazy winds keep making the lights almost go out
19:16<ComradeHaz`>No UPS on these machines :/
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19:18<kabibonokka>What does dark red messages from people mean in my xchat? I'm kinda getting used to IRC...
19:18<FiendKing04>Someone probably said your name?
19:18<ComradeHaz`>kabibonokka, like this?
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19:18<kabibonokka>most of them are black, system messages are green, I figured that.
19:18<kabibonokka>ComradeHaz`: exactly.
19:19<ComradeHaz`>What FiendKing04 said, then!
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19:20<kabibonokka>ComradeHaz`: So it is a private message, is it?
19:20<ComradeHaz`>Huh, no.
19:20<ComradeHaz`>Just that I 'hghlightred' you by saying your name.
19:20<ComradeHaz`>like this kabibonokka
19:20<kabibonokka>Wow, cool!
19:20<ComradeHaz`>and unlike this.
19:21<ComradeHaz`>Private messages go like this
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19:37<chade>I'm installing debian on virtualbox but it's asking about GRUB boot loader. do I install it on my master boot record, or will that mess up my osX?
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19:38<brielle>if its in virtualbox, then it doesn't have access to the actual physical hard drive
19:38<brielle>just the image
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19:39<chade>so it won't corrupt my other OS, cool
19:39<brielle>yeah, as long as your not using physical partitions
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19:39<chade>I'm not
19:40<brielle>yeah, then if your working with disk images, a bootloader is fine :)
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19:40<chade>much appreciated brielle
19:40<brielle>no problem :)
19:41<FiendKing04>I'm reading about the netinst and "Reasons to use Debian" and it's very tempting to not just wipe this piece of crap Windows off of here and put Debian on it tonight. XD
19:41<FiendKing04>My ONLY objection to it, TBH, it that I have to be able to run mIRC and magicJack.
19:41<FiendKing04>If I can those emulated... *POOF*... where did Windows go? :p
19:41<brielle>FiendKing: dual boot.
19:41<FiendKing04>I've never had luck with those.
19:42<brielle>you can use something like qemu, vmware, etc and boot the second parition in linux
19:42<FiendKing04>..and, I need my magicJack on constantly... it's my home phone.
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19:42<FiendKing04>O RLY?
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19:42<FiendKing04>Maybe if I can get a second HDD.
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19:42<brielle>can use wine to run mirc, i've done it before
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19:42<brielle>magicjack, no idea if it will work.
19:43<brielle>I have one here but I only use it for times when i'm on the road, and my OS X machine runs it fine :)
19:43<FiendKing04>I figured I could get mIRC in WINE, only problem would be magicJack.
19:43<FiendKing04>I was fiddling with it and they said you need some code from the magicJack, and, if you have that code, there's an open-source program that can basically replace the magicJack.
19:44<FiendKing04>You just need this stream of code that references your specific account.
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19:44<brielle>Nods, its technically SIP iirc
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19:44<brielle>but, I'm not sure how well it works these days
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19:46<FiendKing04>brielle: I didn't know the "technical" name for it. :p
19:46<ComradeHaz`>why mIRC so important
19:46<FiendKing04>I have a bot for my alliance in a game.
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19:46<ComradeHaz`>KVirc is at least as good, frankly I think it's better
19:46<FiendKing04>With a year worth of .mrc/.ini that I'd prefer not to have to get ride of.
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19:48<FiendKing04>I'm actually on Pidgin ATM.
19:48<brielle>konversation is good too
19:48<FiendKing04>I love it.
19:48<brielle>I used it heavily before settling down on OS X.
19:48<FiendKing04>..and I know that it works on *NIX, since most of the stuff is written on *NIX and then ported to Windows.
19:49<FiendKing04>It's actually how I found out about GTK+ before I use PCLinuxOS.
19:49<mythographvs>Hey, total n00b here. Is irsii any better than XChat?
19:49<FiendKing04>That's up to you. :)
19:50-!-mode/#debian [+l 402] by debhelper
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19:50<brielle>everyone has their favorites
19:50<FiendKing04>Same as with distros.
19:50<FiendKing04>Like Debian being the best. <3
19:51<mythographvs>Debian is the best. <3
19:51<mythographvs>Hm, XChat is GUI. Just installed it.
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19:52<FiendKing04>XChat is O.K.
19:52<FiendKing04>I just like the massive amount of protocols I can be connected to with Pidgin.
19:53<mythographvs>It's just that I thought it was text-only. I'm a text-only command-line freak. :D
19:54<FiendKing04>I am more than likely putting Debian on here tonight.
19:54<FiendKing04>I want to get started on the Terminal.
19:54<mythographvs>Gonna uninstall XChat now.
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19:56<mythographvs>Yeah, I recommend Awesome WM. As the name says, it's bloody awesome.
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19:56<mythographvs>It's all about keyboard shortcuts.
19:58<abrotman>a server doesn't need X or a window manager
19:58<FiendKing04>For a n00b like me it does. :p
19:58<FiendKing04>Until I get used to Terminal.
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19:59<ComradeHaz`>[00:58:03] <abrotman> a server doesn't need X or a window manager <---- depends what it's serving!
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20:01<SteeC>This ipod is driving me crazy, pretty fresh squeeze install and it will not mount
20:01<abrotman>ComradeHaz`: uhm, no
20:01<SteeC>dmesg shows it as being at sdb: sdb1 but the entry in /dev is never created
20:02<ComradeHaz`>Well, my server needs one, because I ask of it things it couldn't do without one.
20:02<SteeC>I was able to mount it using mknod but it came up with some crazy date
20:02<ComradeHaz`>such as run applications that don't have cl alternatives such that they can run 24/7 and I can turn off all other machines in teh house.
20:03<abrotman>like what?
20:04<ComradeHaz`>jDownloader is a major one! :D
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20:05<ComradeHaz`>that said, I don't suppose it has X on it.
20:05<ComradeHaz`>as I only connect to it using vnc.
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20:05<TCW>what is the fastest transfer rate you got to / from a usb2 disk? I am just a little bit confused as it seems one usb-adaptor here gets as high as 35MB/s sometimes (meassured with iostat -m -d 5)
20:07<abrotman>ComradeHaz`: which does what?
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20:07<SteeC>probably depends on what you're moving to/from the usb TCW
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20:08<TCW>SteeC, for sure rather _big_ files (iso images)
20:08<TCW>that the performance with small files tend to suck is clear
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20:11<TCW>SteeC, and I did ask for the _fastest_ one got... so best circumstances. I had the impression 25MB/s is normal, 30MB/s more or less maximum and up to 35MB/s over usb2 is just impossible...
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20:13<cesurasean>anyone know how to get unbanned from freenode?
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20:13<FiendKing04>Not break the rules?
20:13<mythographvs>A flying Delorean might help.
20:15<TCW>cesurasean, what did you do wrong?
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20:15<cesurasean>I'm not sure.
20:15<cesurasean>For some reason they have banned me.
20:15<cesurasean>I am assuming it's pidgin's fault, but I'm not quite sure.
20:15<sney>if you don't know why it happened, it was probably automatic and will expire tomorrow
20:16<sney>or in a couple hours or something
20:16<cesurasean>so, the ban is not permanent?
20:16<sney>automatic network bans rarely are
20:16<TCW>sney, if it persists till tomorrow, ask freenode staff to help
20:16<TCW>er... cesurasean
20:17<cesurasean>Ok, thanks.
20:17<TCW>they can be reached via email too ;)
20:17<cesurasean>wow. squeeze is frozen now?
20:17<cesurasean>moving to stable, when?
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20:17<TCW>cesurasean, "when it's done"
20:17<TCW>at least yet :)
20:18<cesurasean>that doesn't seem far off, to me. seeing as it's frozen now.
20:18<TCW>but then again... even a debian release was scheduled sometimes it did miss the date nevertheless, so "when it's done" may be always valid :)
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20:19<TCW>but I *guess* it may happen this year :)
20:20<FiendKing04>Ya'.. this year. xD
20:20<mythographvs>Hey, what's gonna happen to Debian once they run out of Toy Story characters?
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20:21<TCW>mythographvs, the debian developers will make Toystory 4
20:22<mythographvs>Just to keep the project alive? Haha. :P
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20:22<lmarcetic>just? o.O
20:22<TCW>no, just because Toystory 4 will be a funny movie
20:23<TCW>but I must say... TS 3 did disappoint me a bit
20:23<lmarcetic>perhaps it's because you're not a child anymore :-P
20:23<mythographvs>OK, I take 'just' back.
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20:24<astronut>there's a list somewhere of characters - we're not even halfway through them
20:24<TCW>lmarcetic, no no... I find TS1 and 2 really entertaining
20:24<lmarcetic>hehe. fair enough.
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20:26<FiendKing04>So, anyone have Debian on a laptop?
20:26<lmarcetic>astronut, Debian Troll
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20:27<TCW>FiendKing04, is that a joke?
20:27<FiendKing04>I'm serious? :p
20:27<FiendKing04>I've never installed it on a laptop.
20:28<TCW>I do not own a single laptop (and I own a bunch of them) without debian it it
20:28<TCW>s/it it/on it/
20:29<FiendKing04>Is there any difference between the laptop and desktop versions..?
20:30<TCW>FiendKing04, you mean if there are different installation medias?
20:30<blarson>FiendKing04: just add the laptop task
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20:30<abrotman>FiendKing04: there is no such thing as different versions
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20:31<FiendKing04>Well, I'm just wondering about it, because I'm thinking about dragging out an old laptop to put Debian on it to see how it runs on laptop vs. desktop.
20:31<FiendKing04>abrotman: I know... I'm simply saying... XP has certain things added for a laptop that it doesn't have on a desktop.
20:31<TCW>FiendKing04, like what?
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20:32<FiendKing04>Ah, I'm tired, don't make me give specific things. :p
20:32<abrotman>so there are none :)
20:32<FiendKing04>It's not entirely different, it's just certain things act a little different.
20:32<FiendKing04>I don't have the laptop with me, so, I can't see them ATM. :p
20:32<TCW>FiendKing04, basically there are none that are included on a default WIndows install media
20:32<FiendKing04>Good point.
20:33<TCW>but true... some laptop vendors add some latop specific tools to their preinstalled laptops
20:33<abrotman>there might be vendor specific things .. but that's not windows
20:33<FiendKing04>Ya', my bad.
20:33<FiendKing04>I should have mentioned that in there as well.
20:33<TCW>and yes, Debian has a fair amount of laptop and even vendor specific packages included
20:33<FiendKing04>Actually... it doesn't have any of that anymore.
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20:34<FiendKing04>I downgraded from 7 to XP and it wiped all of the HP stuff.
20:34<lmarcetic>If I recall, there is an option to install additional packages for a laptop (versus the desktop) pc.
20:34<abrotman>there is one in tasksel
20:34<FiendKing04>Ah, O.K.
20:34<FiendKing04>Well, I guess I just worded it wrong.
20:34<FiendKing04>I'm just learning more and more, so, my bad if I'm a n00b about it.
20:35<TCW>lmarcetic, the only thing that task does is... it does install a few laptop specific packages everyone could install them on a desktop too
20:35<lmarcetic>abrotman, that might be what he considered "certain things added", don't you think?
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20:35<lmarcetic>TCW, don't tell that to me, I'm not the one asking the question.
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20:36<TCW>lmarcetic, I am just commenting your message :)
20:37<lmarcetic>i'm just trying to help out the newcomer whom you and abrotman are mistreating.
20:37<TCW>lmarcetic, we are not mistreating him... we may just be embarrassed :)
20:38<abrotman>i am ?
20:38<FiendKing04>I'm being mis-treated?
20:38<FiendKing04>I got corrected for comparing Windows to a vendor, but..
20:38<FiendKing04>..I'm used to IRC, so, maybe that's part of it.
20:39<abrotman>lmarcetic: if you install much of a system, you end up with those packages anyways .. and if you install gnome/kde, i'd almost guarantee that they get installed to satisfy their deps for power management software in kde/gnome
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20:39<TCW>abrotman, ack... my gnome has a "running on AC" in the systray :)
20:39<TCW>I mean... on my desktop
20:40<abrotman>TCW: air conditioning rules!
20:40<FiendKing04>Mine does, too, on Windows.
20:40<FiendKing04>LOL. xD
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20:41<TCW>abrotman, I did mean something different... but I am sure you know that :)
20:41<FiendKing04>I am about to do a netinst... =D
20:41<FiendKing04>If I'm not back on tonight, you know I screwed something up. xD
20:42<TCW>FiendKing04, what graphics cjip is there built-in?
20:42<TCW>chip even
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20:42<FiendKing04>The BIOS is set to recognize the AGP, which is ATi 9200SE with 128MB VRAM.
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20:43<TCW>fine card... not the fastes but runs on debian (stable) very well
20:43<FiendKing04>AMD 1.5Ghz single-core, 1.5GB DDR-SDRAM (1GB DDR-SDRAM / 512MB DDR-SDRAM).
20:43<abrotman>should be fine
20:43<FiendKing04>Ya', I figured.
20:43<FiendKing04>AMD/ATi... nothing "vendor-specific".
20:43<FiendKing04>It's an old eMachine. >.<
20:43<TCW>but 128MB for a laptop of that age? Fairly impressive
20:44<TCW>for VRAM I mean
20:44<FiendKing04>No, this is a desktop.
20:44<FiendKing04>I'm going install on an HP laptop, though. :D
20:44<FiendKing04>512MB VRAM. 0.0
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20:44<TCW>all thinkpads here with radeon 9700 or x300 have 32 or 64MB
20:45<FiendKing04>Ooh.. I have an old Gateway 2000 that I want to install on as well.. maybe that's what you were referencing.
20:45<FiendKing04>I have no idea what the VRAM on that is. :p
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20:45<TCW>FiendKing04, errr... you said you want to pull out an old laptop and install debian on it...
20:46<FiendKing04>Ya', that's the Gateway.
20:46<FiendKing04>This eMachine is a desktop.
20:46<FiendKing04>I have a new-ish HP laptop I'm going to install it on as well.
20:47<FiendKing04>The HP has an nVIDIA 512MB VRAM, AMD 2.1Ghz dual-core. <3
20:48<mythographvs>OK, bye. You're all good folks.
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20:48<FiendKing04>The Gateway 2000 has... whatever a typical laptop from 1998 would have on it. XD
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20:51<TCW>I think at that time the gfx hardware was less typical than nowadays
20:51<TCW>ther is not much left these days...
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20:52<FiendKing04>How about running games?
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20:52<FiendKing04>I just DL'd Warcraft III a while back... if I get it again, could I emulate it?
20:54<FiendKing04>I'm backing up everything ATM..
20:54<FiendKing04>A little bit of excitement, TBH.
20:54<FiendKing04>To be rid of Windows.
20:55<TCW>wine does run a fair amount of windows games... but hasnt warcraft III a native linux client as well?
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20:56<FiendKing04>I don't know.
20:56<FiendKing04>Something else to Google. :)
20:56<FiendKing04>984 MB (1,032,230,711 bytes)
20:56<FiendKing04>That's just one log folder from mIRC.
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21:06<ComradeHaz`>Thanks for help chaps. Night night!
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22:02<jpinx-eeepc>,versions screen
22:02<judd>screen -- etch: 4.0.3-0.3+b1; lenny: 4.0.3-11+lenny1; sid: 4.0.3-14; squeeze: 4.0.3-14
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22:34<reklipz>why so many more folks on #debian@freenode vs #debian@oftc?
22:37<franki^>Freenode is a bigger network?
22:37<abrotman>preference ..
22:42<sney>more people are already on freenode and then do /join #debian
22:43<FiendKing04>I'm on eight SSL IRC Networks, but, I guess maybe I don't mind having that many... others might, or can't connect to more than one at a time.
22:43<FiendKing04>Actually... Debian's makes nine. xD
22:43-!-chealer_ is now known as chealer
22:43<chealer> used to point to freenode
22:44<abrotman>and what about it?
22:50<sney>I prefer the smaller #debian anyway.
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23:12<Gateway`>hello everybody
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23:13<Gateway`>I used a command that returns my public ip using dig and a domain of a dns server
23:13<Gateway`>the problem is that I forgot the options that I used
23:14<FK04|Away>Ouch. :s
23:14<FK04|Away>I wonder if anyone else is around...
23:14<FK04|Away>..I'm a Debian n00b. :p
23:14<Gateway`>FK04|Away, nice to meet you ;)
23:14<FK04|Away>Normal nick is FiendKing04. :)
23:15<FK04|Away>I'm doing a netinst of Debian on this desktop tomorrow after school. =D
23:15<FK04|Away>I'm so excited, but I don't want to start this late tonight.
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23:39<phorce1_home>Gateway`: I use // wget -O - -q|mail -s "Willow DSL IP Address" me@mydomain.tld // in /etc/crontab to email me my public IP once every 3 hours (it was changing a lot when I was messing with my routers/modems)
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23:40<phorce1_home>Gateway`: just try wget -O - -q from the command line to see the output
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