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00:19<ja660k>hey all, what format should i save application icons as? i made it in photoshop as a .png with transperancy turned on, but it still draws a background when i make it an icon :(
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00:28<zhanfeng>someone here?
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00:31<zhanfeng>when i use mplayer to play the rmvb file,it was a erro "cannot find codec matching selected -vo and vide format ox30345652" how could i deal this problem?
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00:37<dpkg>MPlayer is a movie player for Unix-like systems, packaged for Debian. Binary codecs can be installed with the /usr/share/mplayer/scripts/ script. For DVD support, ask me about <dvd playback>. Unofficial packages are available on <debian-multimedia>. As an alternative, use a player based on <xine> or <vlc>. Also ask me about <mplayer faq>, <mencoder>. #mplayer on
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00:39<sud0>anyone who can help me with some issue on debian-cd creation
00:42<zendeavor>I can't sorry
00:43<sud0>anyone else ?
00:44<blarson>sud0: You'll have to be more specific.
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00:45<alex__>есть тут русские?
00:45<sud0>I have built a custom debian cd ,, and i have added all the required packages in the pool of the cd but they are not getting installed
00:45<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ or use English here.
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00:46<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ or use English here.
00:46<sud0>even though all the dependencies have been satisfied
00:46<sud0>please help
00:46<alex__>how i can change to koi8-r my xchat client?
00:47<blarson>sud0: it only installs the packages you select, not all availalable.
00:47<alex__>oh =) sorry, i see
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00:48<sud0>yes exactly ..
00:48<blarson>are you lookin for preseeding?
00:48<sud0>the thing is ..
00:48<sud0>i have configured everything correctly
00:48<sud0>and have made one working image
00:49<sud0>as soon as i add one metapackage containing
00:49<sud0>dependencies to some customised packages
00:50<sud0>the installation chain is broken ..even though the dependency tree is satisfied
00:51<sud0>I have included plymouth , grub , theme packages in metapackage
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01:02<zhanfeng>sorry ,i am a new user for debian
01:03<zhanfeng>there are some question i still don't understand
01:03<zhanfeng>why my mplayer can't play rmvb file?
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01:05<starke>hey can someone point me in the direction of a complete retards guid to compiling glibc
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01:27<ThongTri>Hi all
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01:28<xjjk>starke: I'd look at LFS?
01:29<xjjk>zhanfeng: what is rmvb? realmedia of some sort?
01:29<xjjk>hrm, yes
01:29<zhanfeng>rmvb is a video format
01:29<xjjk>zhanfeng: it appears to be a proprietary format, and mplayer from the main debian repositories doesn't handle proprietary formats
01:30<xjjk>perhaps install the mplayer (and related codecs) from
01:31<zhanfeng>there are many thing to install in debian for mplayer
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01:31<xjjk>zhanfeng: why does that matter that it has a lot of dependencies?
01:32<zhanfeng>i had to install one by one ,and it was too many for me to do
01:32<xjjk>zhanfeng: why did you need to install one by one? all you should need to do is install the main mplayer package
01:33<xjjk>or if using a GUI like smplayer, that package
01:33<xjjk>zhanfeng: if it feels like you're doing more work than you should, then you probably are
01:34<zhanfeng>but it say it install rely the other ,and the other need others
01:34<xjjk>zhanfeng: what are you using to install?
01:34<zhanfeng>i use the .deb
01:34<xjjk>please don't say you're downloading packages individually via the web
01:34<xjjk>you shouldn't be doing that unless you've a good reason
01:35<xjjk>what is wrong with using apt?
01:36<zhanfeng>i am a new user ,and i cant use the source code to install yet
01:36<xjjk>zhanfeng: you don't need to use source code...
01:36<xjjk>zhanfeng: you should take a look at the Debian documentation again
01:36<xjjk>specifically the bit about installing software and using apt
01:36<xjjk>zhanfeng: but in short, all you should have needed to do was:
01:36<xjjk>sudo aptitude install mplayer
01:36<xjjk>and apt downloads and installs the dependencies for you
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01:37<zhanfeng>thank you
01:37<xjjk>zhanfeng: like I said, if it seems like you're doing too much work, you probably are
01:37<xjjk>zhanfeng: look into adding 3rd party repositories
01:37<xjjk>you'll want to add the repostiryo
01:37<xjjk>which should have an mplayer that can play proprietary formats like rmvb
01:38<xjjk>in short (and very generally speaking), a 3rd party repository tells apt to get a package from this other place rather than the main repositories
01:38<xjjk>that's a bit of a vague statement but is what it does for your purposes
01:38<xjjk>so, once you setup the repository
01:39<xjjk>you can use the same command to install mplayer again
01:40<zhanfeng>a 3rd part reponsitory ?
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01:41<xjjk>zhanfeng: a 3rd party repository
01:41<xjjk>zhanfeng: you really should check the docs
01:41<zhanfeng>check what?
01:42<xjjk>The Debian Documentation
01:42<xjjk>I just liked you to the relevant section in the reference guide
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01:43<xjjk>it's a large section, I'm not sure where the part about 3rd party repositories is
01:43<xjjk>if you read the Debian archives section you'll get the idea though
01:43<xjjk>zhanfeng: good luck
01:44*xjjk away
01:44<zhanfeng>thank you ,xjjk
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02:14<dpkg>hello, dominick
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02:16<smoothie>i need help
02:16<smoothie>with atheros drivers
02:16<osirisx>hi smoothie
02:16<smoothie>i have to reboot all the time to get the network back
02:16<smoothie>hi osirisx
02:16<osirisx>pcmcia card?
02:17<smoothie>intel wifi
02:17<smoothie>built in
02:17<osirisx>ok what causes the network to go down?
02:17<smoothie>if i open up google chrome
02:17<smoothie>or sometimes adobe-flash stuff
02:17<smoothie>or if I dl too much too fast
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02:18<smoothie>ive been trying to google
02:18<osirisx>and it freezes?
02:18<smoothie>no it discon and then wont reconnect
02:18<smoothie>iwconfig just sits forever
02:18<osirisx>what router are you using?
02:19<smoothie>oh this is debian
02:19<smoothie>im on Fedora core sorry wrong chan
02:19<osirisx>LOL ok
02:19<osirisx>I would suggest you figure at which point in the connection cycle it is being blocked
02:20<osirisx>e.g. can it no longer find the AP
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02:20<smoothie>network maanger applet 0.8 is what runs it in the gui
02:20<osirisx>or it can't successfully complete security negotiations
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02:20<osirisx>or it can't get an IP address
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02:21<smoothie>well i am at the edge
02:21<smoothie>most of my devices cannot reach it from here
02:21<smoothie>but a few feet over they can reeach
02:21<smoothie>like home wifi stuff or other laptops
02:21<osirisx>so if you are closer to your AP it will reconnect?
02:22<smoothie>no, still have to reboot
02:22<smoothie>in windows yes
02:22<smoothie>in windows from this location i cannot connect though
02:22<smoothie>it will sit forever entering passwords
02:22<smoothie>like how it goes when my net goes down
02:22<smoothie>ive googled around and it seems to be a driver problem
02:22<osirisx>ok in any case you certainly do not have to reboot
02:22<smoothie>for this intel wifi chipset
02:22<smoothie>and people have said the fix is to reboot because the drivers are flakey
02:22<smoothie>yes exactly i know i dont have to
02:22<osirisx>is the driver built as a module?
02:22<smoothie>but i cant figure out how to fix it
02:23<smoothie>ive tried ifconfig down and deleting the iwconfig entry
02:23<smoothie>then remaking etc
02:23<smoothie>still no go
02:23<smoothie>I dont understand drivers really
02:23<osirisx>is the driver built as a module?
02:23<smoothie>what do you mean if its built as a module?
02:23<osirisx>type lsmod
02:24<osirisx>and tell me if you ath5k or something like that
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02:24<osirisx>ok that's not the driver
02:24<osirisx>or maybe it is called intel something
02:25<osirisx>how do you know you are using the atheros driver?
02:25<smoothie>mmmm i have no clue really
02:25<osirisx>one moment
02:26<smoothie>I dont quite understand linux drivers
02:26<smoothie>I thought they were just files :/
02:26<smoothie>ah this is for the chipset
02:26<flaarg>they are just files, but special files compiled against your kernel that can be loaded by the kernel and have special access
02:27<smoothie>yes 644
02:27<osirisx>smoothie 1st of all we need to verify what driver you are using
02:27<osirisx>can you pastebin your lsmod output
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02:27<smoothie>here is my lsmod list
02:28<flaarg>have fun
02:28<flaarg>broadcom wireless is painful sometimes
02:29<jpinx>also /msg dpkg broadcomm
02:29<flaarg>I assume its broadcom because you have b43 loaded, but some broadcom drivers work better with broadcom-sta
02:29<flaarg>however I think b43 now works with most
02:30<osirisx>thanks flaarg - I was wondering if the b43 driver was the one - not used broadcom myself
02:30<flaarg>I had some fun with it on my netbook
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02:30<osirisx>smoothie- it doesn't look like you are using atheros drivers at all (unless you built the kernel yourself and compiled them in)
02:30<smoothie>no no lol
02:31<smoothie>im a total newb
02:31<osirisx>ok do a dmesg |grep ath to be sure
02:31<osirisx>if you get no lines of output starting ath: then you don't have them
02:32<osirisx>ok do dmesg |grep b43
02:32<flaarg>b43 spits out some stuff too
02:32<flaarg>mostly about firmware
02:32<firefox>I can ssh into my server at home from a computer in the same house, and I can gt xeyes working with the x11 forwarding.... but now I am at a remote spot with a laptop, and I get cannot open display. both server and laptop are in DMZ
02:32<smoothie>ah thanks osirisx for that dmsg command
02:32<smoothie>Broadcom 43xx driver loaded [ Features: PMLS, Firmware-ID: FW13 ]
02:32<osirisx>smoothie: now you are cooking
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02:33<osirisx>1st thing I would suggest
02:33<osirisx>is instead of rebooting try unloading and reloading the kernel module using rmmod and modprobe / insmod
02:33<smoothie>thx i will read the man and learn these commands
02:34<smoothie>if unloading /relaoding fixes this
02:34<smoothie>then it is a driver problem?
02:35<osirisx>it could be - I'm just 1st trying to avoid you restarting your machine
02:35<osirisx>try rmmod b43
02:35<flaarg>it could be firmware too
02:35<flaarg>you might need firmware-b43-installer
02:36<osirisx>flaarg it is a fair point although without the firmware I would have expected smoothie to never get a connection
02:36<flaarg>also there would be firmware errors in dmesg
02:36<osirisx>smoothie you should certainly make sure you get the latest firmware-b43-installer
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02:37<smoothie>roger that
02:37<smoothie>Big 10-4
02:37<smoothie>hee hee
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02:45<Elizabeth_Beurling>Hi, #debian
02:46<Elizabeth_Beurling>I'm having a couple of issues with my system, and I was hoping you could help me a little...
02:46<osirisx>we will try
02:46<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
02:46<firefox>no ssh x11 ninjas here?
02:46<osirisx>firefox I missed your question
02:46<jpinx>firefox: I has x over ssh a while ago
02:47<jpinx>painfully slow...
02:47<Elizabeth_Beurling>Today, when I tried loading my Debian, it gave me an error
02:47<Elizabeth_Beurling>I had disabled the automated running of fsck
02:47<Elizabeth_Beurling>... so, I ran an fsck manually
02:48<Elizabeth_Beurling>It had a lot of errors
02:48<firefox>osirisx, I can ssh from a computer on the same network. its a windows box with cygwin x server. I can run xeyes off my debian box
02:48<firefox>osirisx, now at a remote locations with both the server and the remote computer in the DMZ, I get cannot open display
02:48<Elizabeth_Beurling>and, after a while, I just started pressing "y" without reading what fsck said, because... well, I got bored.
02:48<firefox>osirisx, I think my laptop (also running debian btw) has something set wrong
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02:49<Elizabeth_Beurling>I did notice that it said that some blocks were linked to multiple files, like /sbin/init and a picture I had in /home
02:49<firefox>jpinx, it can be.. compression helps a lot. for simple things and on local networks its AWESOME
02:49<Elizabeth_Beurling>But I didn't pay much attention, and kept on pressing "y"
02:49<Elizabeth_Beurling>Afterwards, I had a kernel panic
02:49<NotInternat>hi guys, im looking for help regarding a sun box that im installing debian on. id like to know if there are fan control options available somewhere
02:49<osirisx>firefox: if you can't open connection from the DMZ then it is probably your firewall rules preventing connection
02:50<flaarg>Elizabeth_Beurling: run hdparm on your hd in a livecd to make sure its ok
02:50<flaarg>your hd might be dying
02:50<flaarg>if not, fsck should fix your filesystem
02:50<osirisx>Elizabeth: agree with flaarg
02:50<firefox>osirisx, I had blockcontroll running on both, and I stoped it. havent touched iptables
02:50<Elizabeth_Beurling>Apparently, fsck had copied the picture file over my /sbin/init
02:50<osirisx>firefox: so how did you create a DMZ without iptables/
02:51<Elizabeth_Beurling>flaarg, thanks, I'll do that. But... well, I have already more or less solved that part of the issue.
02:51<firefox>osirisx, right now I am ssh'd into my sever and sending a file from the server to the laptop with scp
02:51<firefox>osirisx, DMZ in the routers
02:51<Elizabeth_Beurling>I got an old hard drive that had a debian install, and I copied the /sbin/init from the old install to my current one
02:51<Elizabeth_Beurling>so now there is no more kernel panic, and the PC loads
02:52<osirisx>Elizabeth: that definitely sounds like some corruption
02:52<Elizabeth_Beurling>how ever, I suppose more random files were copied to system ones.
02:52<osirisx>firefox: I'm confused can you connect using ssh or not from DMZ?
02:52<Elizabeth_Beurling>and now, every time I try to open a terminal, I get "Error creating child process for this terminal"
02:53<Elizabeth_Beurling>and I can not use it, of course
02:53<Elizabeth_Beurling>Also, for example, if I try to open a file with smplayer, I get
02:53<Elizabeth_Beurling>"/usr/bin/mplayer: error while loading shared libraries: /lib/ cannot read file data: Error 21"
02:53<Elizabeth_Beurling>And synaptic refuses to load either
02:54<flaarg>Elizabeth_Beurling: I would suggest saving what you want to / can, hdparm the drive to make sure its ok in a livecd, then reinstall
02:54<flaarg>your partition got mangled
02:54<Elizabeth_Beurling>... man...
02:54<firefox>osirisx, I can connect with SSH my problem is I can get the forwarding to work.. I get cannot open display. It works with my two computers at home
02:54<Elizabeth_Beurling>It's 1TB...
02:54<firefox>cant get*
02:54<flaarg>well now is a great time to setup a seperate /home
02:54<flaarg>so this isn't a big issue
02:55<Elizabeth_Beurling>yeah, should have done that from the beginning.
02:55<Elizabeth_Beurling>so... there's no other way to solve this, besides reinstalling?
02:55<osirisx>Elizabeth - reinstalling is the lesser of the two evils
02:55<flaarg>yah you would have to manually reinstall a lot of packages
02:56<flaarg>and even then what if the fs is still messed up
02:56<Elizabeth_Beurling>... yeah...
02:56<Elizabeth_Beurling>... seems like it's going to be a long night.
02:56<Elizabeth_Beurling>Thanks, guys.
02:56<osirisx>Elizabeth: basically livecd - check the hd and the fs
02:56<flaarg>make sure the hd is ok
02:56<flaarg>don't reinstall on a bad hd
02:57<Elizabeth_Beurling>Yeah, I'll just format an old HD and make a new install there.
02:57<osirisx>then think about re-install the system or individual packages (you have a mixed / inconsistent system now)
02:57<firefox>osirisx, I did xhost + , I'll worry about security later (famous last words I know). I've set the Display variables| export DISPLAY=ipaddress:0.0 where ipaddress is the laptop I want to display on.
02:59<osirisx>firefox: I don't know how to help you off the top of my head as I switched to VNC over SSH some time ago
02:59<firefox>osirisx, haha. I understand that. I just like doing everything the hard way it seems =/
03:00<osirisx>but I would certainly check your ip addresses
03:00<osirisx>as usually DMZ is on a different subnet
03:00<firefox>osirisx, I just fel like I am missing one variable.. because my home computer can work with the server and display everything... but this laptop just doent like it
03:00<Elizabeth_Beurling>Thanks for the help, guys. See you a little later.
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03:01<osirisx>firefox, yes but if your laptop is in the DMZ connected on a different subnet
03:01<firefox>osirisx, well if I can ssh in, and scp something from the server back to the laptop.. I wouldnt think it was a connection issue right?
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03:01<osirisx>true - unless there is something strange and unroutable about the X protocol
03:02<osirisx>firefox: I would have to dig into a lot more :( sorry
03:02<osirisx>hi Oliver
03:03<osirisx>have you considered using VNC over SSH instead firefox?
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03:04<firefox>osirisx, yeah, but I dont want to just see and click it, I want to run the actual app
03:04<osirisx>firefox: any particular reason?
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03:05<firefox>osirisx, small devices cant handle vnc.. like cell phones.. its to sluggish.. I can just scale a program to the windows and remote control things. also I might adapt it to a robotics project
03:06<osirisx>ok I understand
03:06<firefox>osirisx, but really.. I just like doing it this way...
03:06<osirisx>:) no worries
03:06<firefox>yah ty for the suggestion though
03:06<firefox>I might end up having to do it for tonight
03:06<osirisx>one moment let me see if I can find something in my old notes
03:07<osirisx>XDMCP is a UDP protocol and cannot be used across subnets
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03:09<osirisx>firefox - but I guess you are not using XDMCP as I don't think it can work across an ssh connection anyway
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03:09<firefox>just good ol openssh?
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03:11<firefox>Another thing I noticed.. I use "ssh -X -p port user@ipaddress" but the echo $DISPLAY is always blank... I have to manually set it every time?
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03:14<flaarg>firefox: you can set it in youre profile
03:14<flaarg>you probably shouldn't
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03:16<osirisx>firefox: if you run ssh with -v option - does it provide anymore useful information?
03:18<firefox>osirisx, I am looking it over
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03:20<firefox>that did it, haha it was the UseLogin yes setting.. saw that in the log.. put a # in front.. good to go now haha
03:20<firefox>osirisx, ty for the help
03:20<osirisx>now worries
03:20<osirisx>you are welcome
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05:59<mercutio22>Hi.. I have a seemenly faulty ipod. How could I use debian to search for badblocks in its disk?
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06:18<locklace>!lart burbu
06:18*dpkg rm -rf's burbu
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06:43<mib_cszuxn>Is this the right place to get help to configure my wlan network? I have a strange problem
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06:44<hell_razer>i am going to migrate from arch to debian 6. is any information about stable release date? - is horrble
06:45<locklace>mib_cszuxn: just ask your question
06:45<dpkg>Squeeze is now frozen and will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. See and . Ask me about <squeeze bet>.
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06:46<mAniAk->åäö does not work in screen with zsh, but works in irssi while in a screen and outside screens, what gives?
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06:46<s_i_m>hell_razer, i suspect arch simply does not have similar concept (i mean RC bugs)
06:46<mib_cszuxn>iwconfig says that I am connected to my router put ping is not working (neither to the router itself)
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06:47<hell_razer>s_i_m: of course no, and i want to migrate becouse its bad way to pray at all pacman -Syu
06:47<mib_cszuxn>dhclient wlan0 returns "bound to ", that seems ok, right?
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06:48<locklace>mib_cszuxn: yeah
06:48<abrotman>hell_razer: that page isn't super accurate ..
06:48<locklace>mib_cszuxn: if dhcp is working, the wireless link itself is good
06:49<mib_cszuxn>DHCPREQUEST on wlan0 to port 67 DHCPACK from, but than I cannot ping
06:49<mib_cszuxn>any suggestion?
06:49<locklace>mib_cszuxn: any firewall rules
06:50<mib_cszuxn>how can I check that?
06:50<locklace>mib_cszuxn: iptables -vL as root
06:51<hell_razer>abrotman: 10 bugs for week) it is 30 weeks of waiting.... ehhh....
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06:51<abrotman>hell_razer: it'll be sooner than that most likely ..
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06:52<hell_razer>abrotman: native ext4 support is most what i need, becouse my home in ext4, and i dont want any backports kernels... need to wait....
06:53<mib_cszuxn>@locklace it returns a long list, but must rules for eth0 and eth1
06:53<abrotman>squeeze is decently stable now for a workstation
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06:53<mib_cszuxn>locklace but there are some entries with "any"
06:54<mib_cszuxn>should I post the list here
06:54<mib_cszuxn>locklace or post the file somewhere I link it here?
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06:58<locklace>mib_cszuxn: your firewall rules are almost certainly the cause of the ping problem
06:59<mib_cszuxn>locklace ok, so I posted my rules here:
07:01<mib_cszuxn>locklace I think the DROP is very high, so this should be my trials to ping the router. I am right?
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07:03<phraze>Hey, i installed the latest kernel recently (, now im trying to install drivers for my wlan and bluetoothadapter, but i need linuxheaders. Tried searching repositories, debpackages from google and, tried make linux_headers (or whatever it was). Nothing seems to work, plz help !
07:03<locklace>mib_cszuxn: those rules don't allow any icmp into wlan0 other than fragmentation-needed. in particular, they don't allow icmp echo-reply
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07:05<phraze>ive compiled and successfully installed the wlan/bt-drivers a lot of times before, on debian lenny(kernel 2.6.26-2). Using amd64 architecture, tried "linux-headers-2.6.35-trunk-all-amd64_2.6.35-1~experimental.2_amd64.deb" but that seems to be dependent on itself somehow
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07:06<phraze>dpkg -i libsfml-dev
07:06<dpkg>package libsfml-dev is already installed
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07:06<mib_cszuxn>locklace ok, what do I need to comment out or change to get pings and internet working? Thank you very much locklace, I think we are very near to the solution of my network problem
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07:11<raf>good morning
07:11<phraze>zup !
07:12<phraze>raf, you wouldnt know how to get hands on linux-headers for kernel ?
07:12<phraze>have the source compiled osv
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07:14<raf>well, I'm going to have my first experience with a unix's based OS, so I would like some tips
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07:15<phraze>Running debian i guess ?
07:15<abrotman>raf: which OS is that?
07:16<phraze>for starters, synaptic package manager will handle all of your packages(read applications, games libraries), until you learn to use the terminal :)
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07:16<abrotman>there is aptitude-gtk now
07:17<phraze>lol wut, gotta check that out
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07:17<phraze>always use apt-get xD
07:17<spacepluk>raf: also read the manual :)
07:17<abrotman>phraze: WRONG
07:17<abrotman>!why aptitude
07:17<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>).
07:18<phraze>:o ive always heard aptitude is outdated to the apt- tools
07:18<spacepluk>I only use apt-get for build-dep and source
07:18<phraze>brb check some package-problems ive had
07:18<abrotman>phraze: that's not true at all .. you should probably learn some more stuff
07:18<phraze>yeah, we all should :P
07:18<abrotman>it's not funny
07:19<phraze>no you're right, its wrong of me to not know and laugh at the intense seriousness of wich package-manager you use
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07:20<AyRh0nS>hello peoples
07:20<phraze>well, now that some ppl are active here, anyone know how i get my hands on linux-headers- ?
07:21<abrotman>phraze: you're using experimental, and you don't know how to use debian?
07:22<phraze>abrotman, im using lenny, but i upgraded to latest stable kernel and im having issues with getting linuxheaders
07:22<phraze>to install drivers for my wlan and bt-device
07:22<phraze>ive read about make linux_headers (or whatever it was) but that didnt seem to work
07:22<abrotman>that is not hte latest stable kernel
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07:23<phraze> Latest Stable Kernel:
07:23<phraze>i guess is wrong again
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07:24<phraze>abrotman, could you help me instead of being a smart prick ?
07:24<abrotman>judd: kernels
07:24<phraze>it would be appreciated , since youre all linuxguru and im kinda mediocre :)
07:24<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.35-trunk-686 (2.6.35-1~experimental.2); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-21); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-21); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-20~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-25); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2)
07:24<spacepluk>phraze: well, that's not the latest "debian stable" kernel
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07:24<abrotman>the latest 'stable' kernel is 2.6.26
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07:24<phraze>Ah, so they sort them after distributions also, didnt know that
07:25<raf>I'm downloading a Debian Pure Blend called BrDesktop... I'm a little afraid because only 698mb, so it will have every stuff that I need?
07:25<phraze>well, is there any way to get hands on the linuxheaders for the 'experimental' kernel ?
07:25<amphi>raf: wtf is a 'debian pure blend'?
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07:25<phraze>abrotman, plz help
07:25<abrotman>phraze: they're in experimental already
07:25<raf>I choose that because it's a debian based operation system in portuguese-br. Did I choose wrong?
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07:26<spacepluk>raf: I'd go with lenny right now
07:26<phraze>hm, well i guess ill just remove the latest kernel and go back to 2.6.26-2, hope nothing is broken
07:26<phraze>brb :)
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07:26<amphi>raf: you can install debian in portuguese
07:26<raf>amphi, 'debian pure blend', in the definition that I read, is a debian developed for a expecific aplication
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07:27<amphi>raf: you could use the small netinstall iso image, and then install what you want
07:27<amphi>raf: ah
07:28<spacepluk>raf: If you know english, I'd let it in english. Some programs translate error messages and it's more difficult to find answers.
07:28<raf>Well, you just saw that my english is not very good. lol
07:28<spacepluk>raf: I mean if you're learning you better have something that it's widely used
07:30<abrotman>then just use it in portuguese .. it's a widely used language
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07:31<phraze>there we go
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07:32<raf>not trying to abuse your good will, but could you give the direct link for download the stable version ( 64bits )
07:33<raf>I was looking in
07:33<raf>but I'm a little lost.
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07:52<spacepluk>what challenges sid offers for a guy that has been in testing for several years?
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07:52<locklace>spacepluk: more bugs
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07:54<abrotman>sometimes more severe bugs
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07:56<spacepluk>hmm, sounds funny enough :P... I think I'll try it in my home machine first
07:57<spacepluk>so what do you do to stay safe, check bug reports before updates? any semi-automatic tool?
07:58<abrotman>home machines?
07:58<abrotman>stay safe from what?
07:59<dpkg>apt-listbugs (aptitude install apt-listbugs) is available since Sarge. When installed, it will fetch the list of critical <BTS> bugs that pertain to any packages being installed. Modern releases allow you to pin a version to prevent upgrades to any packages you discover to be too risky (see <pinning>). Older releases only allowed holding (see <hold>). See also <apt-listchanges>.
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08:00<mAniAk->åäö does not work in screen with zsh, but works in irssi while in a screen and outside screens, what gives?!
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08:00<spacepluk>stay safe from breaking the whole thing
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08:01<abrotman>spacepluk: you ideally read mailing lists and use apt-listbugs
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08:01<spacepluk>my home machine is only for downloads I can live without it. i also have a laptop with testing for work which is stable enough for me.
08:01<abrotman>spacepluk: currently, there won't be much breakage .. after squeeze releases, who knows
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08:02<spacepluk>abrotman: debian-devel?
08:03<abrotman>that's one mailing list
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08:06<spacepluk>abrotman: thanks for the info, I want to get more involved and give some help. It's just difficult to find a starting point.
08:07<abrotman>you don't have to run sid to help
08:08<spacepluk>well, as a developer I'm more interested in broken stuff :)
08:09<abrotman>yes, but you can use a VM or chroot
08:09<spacepluk>I just wanted to know if it's realistic to run sid in my main machine
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08:09<hell_razer>what is most actually debian mirror?
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08:10<fajf>anyone here?
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08:10<abrotman>hell_razer: what?
08:10<abrotman>fajf: about 400 'people'
08:10<spacepluk>abrotman: hmm, that looks like the best option actually
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08:11<fajf>sure, but i have a problem
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08:11<abrotman>fajf: then just ask
08:11<hell_razer>abrotman: mirros in wich updates comes at time?
08:12<abrotman>hell_razer: they all should update at least once a day ...
08:12<fajf>im on vmware and the program wont recognize my network card
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08:12<abrotman>the program?
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08:12<fajf>vmware, program
08:13<abrotman>what OS is vmware running on?
08:13<spacepluk>looks like you should ask in #vmware
08:13<hell_razer>fajf: have you installed guest additional tools?
08:13<abrotman>yes .. which linux?
08:13<fajf>ubuntu, and no additional tools
08:13<hell_razer>just install it
08:13<abrotman>fajf: please go to #ubuntu on .. Ubuntu is offtopic here
08:14<fajf>k, ty
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08:15<spacepluk>it's funny how a lot of ubuntu users come here looking for answers
08:15<spacepluk>well, not funny but interesting
08:15<hell_razer>maby now help at #ubuntu, obly compiz screens there xD
08:15<abrotman>not our problem .. back to Debian
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08:16<mAniAk->yes, help me instead
08:17<mAniAk->"fuck that, lets idle instead and only complain when ubuntu users come that"
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08:18<abrotman>did you even ask a question?
08:18<spacepluk>mAniAk-: have your tried byobu?
08:18<mAniAk->åäö does not work in screen with zsh, but works in irssi while in a screen and outside screens, what gives?
08:18<abrotman>mAniAk-: what is your locale set to in zsh ?
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08:18<mAniAk->let me pastebin my zshrc
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08:21<mAniAk->the terminal just flashes when i press åäö
08:21<mAniAk->and i use putty
08:21<mAniAk->utf-8 everywhere
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08:33<mAniAk->i guess zsh isnt just ment for debian
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08:36<abrotman>you might want ot ask #zsh on freenode
08:36<old>mAniAk-: Maybe it's the VTE's fault. I had problems with meta+somethig shortcuts on xterm, and they work in xfterm.
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08:38<mAniAk->old: and how do i fix that?
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08:45<mAniAk->if i try with cat they come out properly
08:45<mAniAk->and they work in irssi while in a screen
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08:50<old>mAniAk-: I don't know. Try other VTEs first to check if I am right.
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09:21<Wrzlprmft>Hello, after I upgraded Lenny (which included a new kernel among others), I am
09:21<Wrzlprmft>1. unable to load the old kernel, which has been replaced, instead of the new one being installed seperately. I cannot find a deb-package of the old kernel either.
09:21<Wrzlprmft>2. Possibly related to this: Sound does not work anymore. When I run /etc/init.d/alsasound restart, I get:
09:21<Wrzlprmft>Shutting down sound driver: /usr/sbin/alsactl: save_state:1497: No soundcards found... \\\ done \\\ Starting sound driver: snd-hda-intel done \\\ /usr/sbin/alsactl: invalid option -- r
09:21<Wrzlprmft>followed by the output of “alsactl --help”. This looks to me like a miscommunication between different alsa programs, which in turn would be a severe bug. Am I right about this?
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09:24<Wrzlprmft>Hello, after I upgraded Lenny (which included a new kernel among others), I am 1. unable to load the old kernel, which has been replaced, instead of the new one being installed seperately. I cannot find a deb-package of the old kernel either. 2. Possibly related to this: Sound does not work anymore. When I run /etc/init.d/alsasound restart, I get: “Shutting down sound driver: /usr/sbin/alsactl: save_state:1497: No soundcards found... \\\
09:24<abrotman>so what kernel are you running now ?
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09:26<Wrzlprmft>linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64, version: 2.6.26-25
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09:38<cahoot>Wrzlprmft: what happends if you 'manually' modprobe snd-hda-intel and run speaker-test -t wav -c2?
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09:40<Wrzlprmft>the modprobe works fine. The speaker-test returns “ALSA lib confmisc.c:768:(parse_card) cannot find card '0'” followed by repeating further errors
09:41<cahoot>same for root?
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09:41<Wrzlprmft>I am in the audio group
09:41<cahoot>Wrzlprmft: alsa force-reload - not better?
09:42<abrotman>check dmesg for some errors?
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09:44<Wrzlprmft>cahoot: no, same errors. The reload itself does not complain though
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09:45<cahoot>Wrzlprmft: cat /proc/asound/cards - only one ?
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09:46<Wrzlprmft>abrotman: “dmesg | grep snd” and “dmesg | grep audio” are without output
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09:47<abrotman>you might have to actually read it all
09:47<abrotman>alternately, you can look at the changelog to see what has changed
09:47<Wrzlprmft>cahoot: “cat /proc/asound/cards” returns “--- no soundcards ---”
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09:51<Wrzlprmft>abrotman: None of the commands above caused any changes in the output of “dmesg”, if that’s, what you were asking for
09:52<abrotman>no .. i meant is there some error when the system boots? like a missing firmware ?
09:52<abrotman>alternately, you can look at the changelog to see what has changed
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09:53<Wrzlprmft>how do I look at the changelog?
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09:54<abrotman>aptitude changelog linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 .. or whatever your arch is
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09:57<Wrzlprmft>There is nothing in the recent changelog, that I could connect to the sound card.
09:58<abrotman>did any other packages update?
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10:00<Wrzlprmft>There is no error or mentioning of firmware in dmesg during boot.
10:00<Wrzlprmft>Other packages did upgrade, unfortunately I do not recall which
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10:08<Wrzlprmft>dpkg, linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 2.6.26-24, liblzma2, xz-utils, man-db, libssl0.9.8, linux-headers-2.6.26-2-amd64 2.6.26-24lenny1, linux-libc-dev 2.6.26-24, openssl, vlc-data updated. Only the kernel update could interfer with sound, as far as I understand it.
10:08<dpkg>You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, Wrzlprmft
10:08<Wrzlprmft>The following packages updated: dpkg, linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 2.6.26-24, liblzma2, xz-utils, man-db, libssl0.9.8, linux-headers-2.6.26-2-amd64 2.6.26-24lenny1, linux-libc-dev 2.6.26-24, openssl, vlc-data. Only the kernel update could interfer with sound, as far as I understand it.
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10:10<Wrzlprmft>However no driver problem should cause /etc/init.d/alsasound to use the wrong syntax for alsactl, to return to my original problem.
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10:24<dpkg> is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces the old site that is no longer maintained.
10:25<Wrzlprmft>sounds like a possible workaround
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10:27<abrotman>Wrzlprmft: here's a silly quesiton .. does your audio device show up in 'lspci -nn' ?
10:28<abrotman>just making sure it hadn't disappeared/died
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10:30<Wrzlprmft>abrotman: I know, I am persistent on this one, but what do you think about the miscomunication issue?
10:30<abrotman>the who ?
10:31<abrotman>i'd grab the -lenny1 kernel that's on .. see if it resolves the issue .. if it does, you may want to file a bug as a regression
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10:32<Wrzlprmft>“sudo /etc/init.d/alsasound restart” returs the following:
10:33<Wrzlprmft>Shutting down sound driver: /usr/sbin/alsactl: save_state:1497: No soundcards found... \\\\ done \\\\\ Starting sound driver: snd-hda-intel done \\\\ /usr/sbin/alsactl: invalid option -- r
10:33<Wrzlprmft>The last line looks to me, as if /etc/init.d/alsasound was using the wrong syntax for alsactl
10:33<abrotman>which version of alsa-base do you have installed ?
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10:35<Wrzlprmft>1.0.17.dfsg-4, which is Lenny‘s current version
10:35<abrotman>judd: versions alsa-base
10:35<judd>alsa-base -- etch: 1.0.13-5etch1; etch-security: 1.0.13-5etch1; lenny: 1.0.17.dfsg-4; sid: 1.0.23+dfsg-1; squeeze: 1.0.23+dfsg-1
10:37<Wrzlprmft>I am rebooting to the old kernel now, hoping for no bad surprises
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10:43<Wrzlprmft>The old kernel has the same problem
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10:48<Wrzlprmft>And Squeeze’s alsa-base isn’t any different either
10:48<cahoot>fsiling hw?
10:50<Wrzlprmft>possible, but very unlikely. Also this should not cause /etc/init.d/alsasound to use the wrong syntax for alsactl
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10:55<abrotman>wait .. you installed the squeeze alsa on lenny?
10:56<Wrzlprmft>yes, just to test, if it would help, a few minutes ago
10:57<abrotman>before or after the -r invalid option stuff?
10:57<abrotman>mixing versoins of debian will break things
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10:58<Wrzlprmft>the “-r invalid option stuff” happened before and after installing the squeeze version, and since the very beginning of this problem
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10:59<Deepy>I'm on Windows trying to put Debian onto my eeePC (which ofc lacks DVD/CD drive)
10:59<dpkg>The Eee PC (aka RM ASUS Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by ASUS. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> which is not supported in #debian, join #eeepc on for support. To install Debian, see for installation and configuration details. See also <atl2>, <atl1c>. Mailing list: #debian-eeepc on
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10:59<abrotman>Wrzlprmft: you've tried reinstlaling the various alsa packages?
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11:00<Deepy>I followed that but I couldn't get zcat on netbsd and freebsd to accept the boot.img
11:00<Wrzlprmft>abrotman: yes, multiple times
11:00<abrotman>deepy: try #debian-eeepc
11:01<abrotman>Wrzlprmft: ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/alsa*.conffiles .. how many are there ?
11:02<Wrzlprmft>two, alsa-base.conffiles and alsa-utils.conffiles
11:02<Deepy>Thank you
11:02<abrotman>Wrzlprmft: we could try purging those packages, and reinstalling them
11:02<dpkg>The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>;
11:02<abrotman>move the config files aside (they're listed in those files) and then use the above to get a clean conf file
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11:11<Wrzlprmft>the reinstall with "--force-confmiss" did not work, however purging alsa-base and alsa-utils and reinstalling them did at least remove the -r invalid option stuff
11:12<Wrzlprmft>Must have been alsa-utils, since I already did this to alsa-base
11:13<Wrzlprmft>sound still does not work though
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11:14<abrotman>you might have to reboot
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11:15<Wrzlprmft>doing that no
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11:26<abrotman>Wrzlprmft: any change?
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11:28<Wrzlprmft>abrotman: unfortunately not. Some things are even worse. The directory „/proc/asound/“ does not exist anymore
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11:29<abrotman>because alsa isn't starting
11:31<Wrzlprmft>Well “/etc/init.d/alsasound start” or “stop” do not output anything, though I consider they should
11:31<abrotman>isn't it alsa-utils ?
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11:32<Wrzlprmft>alsa-utils starts individual sound cards, if I am not mistaken. It only works if one is detected via alsa
11:34<Wrzlprmft>“/etc/init.d/alsasound status” returns “ALSA sound driver not loaded.” for a start
11:35<Wrzlprmft>I am rebooting once more
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11:40<giorgio>Hi all;)!
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11:50<violetta>ol a t!!!!!!!
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11:51<violetta>holaaaaa hay alguien???
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11:52<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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11:53<violetta>were are you from?
11:53<abrotman>violetta: do you need help with Debian ?
11:54<dpkg>[chat] what we do in #debian-offtopic
11:54<violetta>Im sory ?Im speak spanish!!!!
11:54<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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11:56<abrotman>violetta: do you need help with Debian ?
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11:56<violetta>were are you from??
11:56<abrotman>violetta: do you need help with Debian ?
11:56<osirisx>Violetta do you know what Debian is?
11:56<abrotman>then please be quiet
11:57<osirisx>when why are you here in this channel?
11:58<violetta>were this?
11:58-!-mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ
11:58<dominick>violetta, please type "/join #debian-offtopic"
11:58-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*@] by abrotman
11:58-!-mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman
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11:59<osirisx>Violetta this is the internet
12:00<jpinx-eeepc>something about "don't feed the trolls" comes to mind...
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12:00<Wrzlprmft>abrotman: Now that weird miscommunication issue is gone, I managed to manually install some Realtek drivers, which are working. Thank You very much for your help.
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12:04<osirisx>that was a little bizarre
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12:05<Wrzlprmft>Internet, where men are boys and women are boys
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12:06<osirisx>need to create a personal firewall for my laptop - would fwbuilder be the top recommendation?
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12:07<abrotman>osirisx: why?
12:08<osirisx>abrotman: because fwbuilder seems to get a lot of positive coverage
12:08<abrotman>no .. i meant, why do oyu need a firewall ?
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12:08<osirisx>abrotman: why would you suggest I wouldn't need one?
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12:09<spacepluk>osirisx: I've never used one, no problems so far.
12:09<osirisx>don't I need to keep the baddies out?
12:10<abrotman>from what?
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12:10<osirisx>ok you got me
12:10<abrotman>i mena, what daemons is your laptop running that are accessible from another IP ?
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12:11<osirisx>samba, sshd, mediatomb, SABnzbd
12:11<abrotman>samba isn't really internet routable
12:12<abrotman>you can change your sshd_config to only allow certain users
12:12<abrotman>no idea what the other two are
12:12<abrotman>you can also change sshd_config to only allow certain IPs to connect
12:12<osirisx>mediatomb is a DNLA media server
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12:13<osirisx>I see your point
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12:14<osirisx>abrotman: so in what scenarios would I need a personal firewall?
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12:17<abrotman>osirisx: you can set one up if you want to
12:18<osirisx>sure : but you have made me think
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12:19<osirisx>what would be of most use is a combination of peerguardian and havp
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12:19<Deepyphone>i am in busybox, how do i find the right disk and install grub on it?
12:21<osirisx>Deepyphone: what do you mean the right disk?
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12:22<Deepyphone>i have one usb stick ans two harddrives
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12:22<osirisx>ok and what do you want to install grub to?
12:23<Deepyphone>the 16gb one
12:24<osirisx>are you using LVM2?
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12:25<jeremiah>My machine won't boot due to an "unsupported phy" error.
12:25<Deepyphone>i am in an installer on tty2 using busybox, i have completed a very dwfault debian install
12:25<jeremiah>I'm not sure what package that might be in - lilo?
12:25<jeremiah>(I know that I installed lilo instead of grub.)
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12:26<mju>Deepyphone: does 'df' work?
12:26<osirisx>Deepyphone: try sudo fdisk -l
12:26<Deepyphone>tmpfs /dev
12:26<Deepyphone>i have no fdisk
12:26<osirisx>df - will only give you mounted volumes
12:27<osirisx>default debian install has fdisk
12:27<Deepyphone>i am still in the installer
12:27<osirisx>is /proc mounted?
12:27<osirisx>if it is you could do cat /proc/partitions
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12:27<Deepyphone>no, only /dev
12:28<osirisx>then use dmesg
12:28<osirisx>and scan through the output as the kernel recognises your drives
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12:31<Deepyphone>i can not find anything othwr than sda
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12:31<Deepyphone>which has no partitions and does not wabt to be mounted
12:31<osirisx>Deepyphone: what are you running the installer from?
12:31<osirisx>cd? livecd? usb?
12:32<Deepyphone>usb stick
12:32<osirisx>and is sda - your usb stick?
12:32<Deepyphone>i think so
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12:33<osirisx>Deepyphone - dmesg |grep hd
12:33<Deepyphone>no output
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12:34<osirisx>and dmesg |grep sd only shows you sda?
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12:34<Deepyphone>ill progress further in thw insyaller to see uf that helps
12:35<osirisx>if the kernel can't see any other drives, then you will not be able to install grub to anything but sda (sda1)
12:35<Deepyphone>found it
12:35<osirisx>found what?
12:35<Deepyphone>sdc1 is debian
12:36<osirisx>you said it only show sda
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12:36<Deepyphone>it did, sdc popped up after i got the base system
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12:36<Deepyphone>do i grub-install to /dev/sdc or sdc1?
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12:38<osirisx>are you dual booting with another OS?
12:39<osirisx>then /dev/sdc
12:39<osirisx>which would need to be recognised as your 1st HD by your Bios when reboot without the USB stick
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12:39<Deepyphone>grub-install not found :E
12:40<mju>Deepyphone: It sounds like you did not complete the installer, why?
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12:40<Deepyphone>i did, but grub was installed on my usb stick
12:41<mju>Deepyphone: Are you installing stable or testing?
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12:43<mju>Deepyphone: It shouldn't do that. The installer should find the right disk itself. Or ask.
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12:44<Deepyphone>i moukted sdc1 yo /mnt but grub-install complained about /usr
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12:45<slush>you made a seperate partition for /usr?
12:46<Deepyphone>i am in the shell in the installer
12:46<slush>I figured
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12:46<slush>you have to mount the usr partition to /mnt/usr
12:47<slush>and mount -o bind /dev /mnt/dev
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12:47<slush>then chroot /mnt
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12:48<Deepyphone>no such partition x6
12:49<slush>well, that's why I asked if you've had made a different partition for /usr
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12:51<Deepy>Alright, managed to get grub installed and I get it to load but it hangs at "Begin: waiting for root file system ..."
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12:52<Deepy>And I got something about "sda: unknown partition table"
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12:53<mju>Deepy: It sounds like you are trying to install without the installer...
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12:53<Deepyphone>I installed with the installer, but it put grub on my usb stick do it failed
12:54<Deepyphone>I am trying to fix that
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12:56<mju>Deepyphone: ok, I just did an install in kvm. It asks me if I want to install grub to the master boot record. Did you have that question?
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12:56<Deepyphone>yes, i also answered yes
12:56<Deepyphone>i used unetbootin to put stable netinst on a stick
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12:59<mju>Deepyphone: sounds strange. I have installed stable on this machine from a stick without any grub problems.
12:59<Deepyphone>i can reproduce this, it happens every time
12:59<mju>\me reads up on unetbootin
13:00<Deepyphone>help me fix the pc and I'll give you an image of my stick and you can try
13:00<mju>Deepyphone: That does not sound like the official way to install debian. I did it in another way. Somewhere there is an instruction how to put the Debian Install on a stick.
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13:01<Deepyphone>zcat failed, dd way failed with loading kernel modules
13:01<Epipen>Hello, I was wondering if I could get some assistance?
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13:02<Epipen>I am having an issue with debian resorting to busybox after failing to mount /sys on other such directories right after installation. I installed debian via Unetbootin netinstall on a usb flash drive.
13:02<osirisx>Epipen what's up?
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13:02<osirisx>:) spooky
13:03<Deepy>alet! /dev/sdc1 does not exist. Dropping to a shell!
13:03<osirisx>why did it fail to mount /sys?
13:03<Epipen>the errors are as such, "mounting /dev/sdc on /root failed: no such device"
13:03<mju>Deepyphone: The release notes have a chapter how to install from usb. That worked for me.
13:03<Epipen>it says no such file or directory
13:03<Epipen>it was multiple directories that failed to mount
13:03<osirisx>Epipen: why isn't your root directory mounted?
13:04<Epipen>It is
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13:04<Epipen>In the logs it outputs, running *some script here*, root directory mounted
13:05<Epipen>Errors also include "Target filesystem doesn't have sbin/init" No init found. Try passing init=bootarg
13:05<osirisx>sorry I have never used unetbootin - I installed from a debian "livecd" usb with the original installer and no problems
13:06<Epipen>alright, I'll see if that works.
13:06<osirisx>Epipen it sounds like a similar problem to Deepy - in terms of unrecognised drives
13:06<Deepy>My drives were found when I progress further in the installer
13:07<Deepy>after it had loaded the base system the drives appeared in dmesg
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13:07<osirisx>Deepy - out of interest why did you drop out of the installer early?
13:08<Deepy>I didn't, I entered it again because last time it put grub on my USB stick instead of my harddrive
13:08<Deepy>krazykit appeared to have suffered from the same and suggested using the shell in the installer to install grub
13:09<Deepy>ALERT! /dev/sdc1 does not exist. Dropping to a shell!
13:09<Deepy>Where other than fstab do I need to change that?
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13:10<Epipen>Grub was also installed onto my usb stick instead of my harddrive.
13:10<osirisx>Deepy: are you now booting the system without the usb?
13:10<Deepy>osirisx: yup!
13:10<Deepy>I can mount sdb1 from initramfs and access my system that way
13:10<mju><Deepy> And I got something about "sda: unknown partition table" <- That sounds like the installer didn't use the harddrive, but put stuff somewhere else.
13:10<osirisx>ok without the usb sdc1 is probably sda1 or sdb1
13:11<Deepy>Epipen: what I did was boot into the installer, go until it loaded base system then drop to the shell
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13:11*mju wonders who recommends installing using unetbootin.
13:11<Deepy>mount sdc1 to /mnt; mount -o bind /dev/mnt/dev; chroot /mnt/; grub-install /dev/sdc
13:12<Deepy>Where other than /etc/fstab do I need to update for sdc1 to turn into sdb1?
13:12<Deepy>oh grub had a root=
13:13<osirisx>Deepy: nowhere else I think, but you need to run update-grub so it recognises your new hd scheme
13:13<osirisx>(I think)
13:13<Deepy>Epipen: after that you'll also want to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst to point towards your correct harddrives and update /etc/fstab
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13:14<osirisx>as far as I know you should never update menu.list directly
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13:14<Deepy>Let it be known that I hate grub and any suggestions about grub should not be taken from me
13:15<Deepy>But atleast I can boot now :-)
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13:15<Epipen>Alright, I'll attempt to run the installer without unetbootin, it just seemed to be the easiest way at the time :). Also, I don't mind if grub resides on my usb stick unless it causes problems.
13:16<Deepy>I couldn't boot it that way, it just flooded the screen with "GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB etc"
13:16<osirisx>Epipen if grub is on your usb stick, you will not be able to boot your system without it
13:16<Epipen>I am aware. That is perfectly fine with me.
13:16<Epipen>I have a second OS dual boot that works perfectly without it.
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13:17<mju>Epipen: The debian installer should do the right thing, it asks if grub should be installed in the MBR.
13:18<Epipen>mju: Yes, I answered yes to that question however it still installed grub onto the usb stick.
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13:19<Deepy>mju: told you so ;-)
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13:19<Deepy>unetbootin installs grub to the stick, 2 others besides me have suffered from it
13:19<Deepy>Epipen: did you use stable netinstall?
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13:20<Epipen>Deepy: Yes i used stable netinstallx64
13:20<Deepy>netinst x86 here
13:20<mju>Epipen: Well, you said you installed via a stick created by unetbootin, I supposed you now try it via the method described in the debian installation manual, section 4.3.
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13:22<Epipen>mju: Thanks sounds like the best course of action.
13:24<Deepy>I did a base install, without the "Desktop" and without the "laptop" options, is tehre anything I should install?
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13:24<Deepy>I'm using a laptop, atom CPU and SSD
13:25<BlackFate>Deepy, is there anything more you want to install?
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13:26<Luffy1980>I've been bitten by this bug:
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13:27<Luffy1980>I've been bitten by this bug: , any idea about how to recover from it? Any way to know what packages put files in /usr/lib32?
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13:28<Deepy>apt-file may be able to hep you
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13:30<abrotman>Luffy1980: dpkg -S usr/lib32 ?
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13:30<abrotman>probably want a regex or two in there somewhere
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13:31<Luffy1980>abrotman: Doesn't that search for files in the dir and then search for those files in the packages?
13:31<abrotman>try it
13:31<Luffy1980>ok, I'll try that
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13:33<Luffy1980>abrotman: you're right, it seems to work, many thanks
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13:45<mju>Deepy: I found . It says the cheat code 'rootdelay=10' makes unetbootin work.
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13:56<Deepy>mju: where exactly should that be put?
13:57<Deepy>it installed just fine, it was only grub who was displaced
13:57<Deepy>and m-a a-i rt2860
13:57<Deepy>gives me "rt2860, what is rt2860?"
13:59<Deepy>ah screw this, I'm heading for squeeze immediately
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14:01<mju>Deepy: I don't know more that what is in the linked message. Found it via google. rt2860 sounds like you need some non-free firmware. See the installation manual.
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14:04<Deepy>oh, there's a specific eeepc repo. Nice!
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14:28<craigevil>Deepy: get the 2.6.32 kernel from backports and firmware-ralink
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14:35<starke>msg dpkg lenny->squeeze
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14:39<starke>then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list <-----------what does that mean?
14:39<mjt>s = substitute
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14:47<Deepy>How do I remove a package that's in a very bad inconsistent state and I can't reinstall it
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14:47<amphi>Deepy: does dpkg -P foo work?
14:49<amphi>does apt/aptitude not suggest any course of action when you try to install or remove it?
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14:51<abrotman>Deepy: what is the actual error ?
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15:08<raboof>in absence of a 'this bug affects me too' registry in the BTS, would it be good or bad style to add a 'this bug affects me too' message to a bug that, well, affects me too?
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15:09<abrotman>do you have extra information to add ?
15:09<abrotman>which bug is it?
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15:10<jhutchins_lt>abrotman: I think the question is a more general one. Other distros' bts's have "voting" on bugs, and you can usually add yourself to the mailing list which serves.
15:11<jhutchins_lt>abrotman: It can be useful to know the bug affects more than just the original poster, especially if the maintainer can't reproduce it.
15:11<raboof>abrotman: i don't have anything to add (and it this case it's #548664, but I've wondered about this before)
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15:12<abrotman>yeah, but appending it to just say "Ouch" won't do much good, especially given this one in particular is a wishlist bug ..
15:13<abrotman>raboof: you could just subscribe to the bug
15:13<raboof>abrotman: i don't see a list/number of subscribers though, so I'm not sure how much good that'd do...
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15:14<abrotman>raboof: i'm not sure if the DD has access to that of if it's hidden somewhere else
15:14<abrotman>or not at all viewable
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15:16<edbian>Can you guys make any predictions about when squeeze will come out? Months/ Weeks/ Years?
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15:18<SQlvpapir>Debian Sid repo fubar again?
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15:19<SQlvpapir>edbian, I'm guessing not much before new years eve. might stretch in to 2011
15:20<edbian>SQlvpapir, Mmmm. That's disappointing :( I don't wanna wait!
15:20<SQlvpapir>edbian, its frozen
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15:21<edbian>SQlvpapir, yeah. I know... what's your point?
15:21<SQlvpapir>edbian, not much going to change
15:21<edbian>SQlvpapir, Well bug fixes. I assume that's a big deal :)
15:21<SQlvpapir>companies are a bit stuck atm. with the old kernel in Lenny. I've had friends who had to put company servers on Ubuntu to be able to get official support
15:22<edbian>SQlvpapir, mmm I see. Support from who?
15:22<SQlvpapir>edbian, jump in both feet and help out :) check out #debian-devel-changes
15:23<SQlvpapir>edbian, in this case they would be able to get Cannonical (or whatever they are called) to support them.
15:23<edbian>SQlvpapir, Oh I see. Thanks!
15:24<SQlvpapir>edbian, do you use Debian only for personal use or..?
15:24<edbian>SQlvpapir, Yeah
15:24<edbian>SQlvpapir, On the desktop.
15:25<abrotman>edbian: /msg dpkg wwsr
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15:26<SQlvpapir>plenty of people (myself included) run unstable quiet successfully. occasionally maintenance is required, but having everything pretty much in sync with upstream is a big plus for only one or two major screw-ups a year
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15:28<SQlvpapir>supporting legacy can be a lot of work when you take in to consideration how simple it is to pull stuff in from testing/unstable or backport
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15:43<osirisx>any ideas on how create a firewall with fwbuilder or an iptables script that protects either eth0 or wlan0 depending on which is in use
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15:46<ifvoid>osirisx: put a script in /etc/network/if-up.d
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15:46<ifvoid>osirisx: that gets run every time a new network connection gets up
15:46<lindi->ifvoid: hmm, technically it is too late to apply rules when the interface is already up?
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15:46<ifvoid>lindi-: I don't think so
15:47<ifvoid>in any case, there is no way to set iptables rules for non-existing interfaces, afaik
15:47<lindi->ifvoid: no but you can se them for interfaces that are down
15:47<mjt>you may put any intrface name or patter
15:47<mjt>in iptables rules
15:47<mjt>they wont be matched till such interface appears, that's for sure
15:48<mjt>just try it: iptables -A INPUT -i foobar
15:48<ifvoid>ah, you're right
15:48<ifvoid>didn't know that
15:48<mjt>it's just a string that's matched aganst actual interface name
15:48<abrotman>osirisx: why not protect both no matter what?
15:48<lindi->mjt: hmm, it does string comparison for each packet?
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15:49<mjt>well, depending on your rules actually
15:49<ifvoid>probably optimized, somehow
15:49<ifvoid>that's pretty slow then
15:49<osirisx>because as if wlan0 is not up at the time the script is run I cannot protect it
15:49<ifvoid>osirisx: aparently, you can
15:50<mjt>you may use -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT as a first rule
15:50<mjt>in that case the comparison will be done only for new _connections_
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15:50<mjt>not for every packet
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15:50<osirisx>ok thanks guys I'll give it a go
15:51<abrotman>osirisx: just don't specify an interface
15:51<mjt>besides, iptables does a LOT more heavy things than a simple strcmp()
15:51<osirisx>I think previously my script actually tested for the presence of the interface - hence it didn't create the rules
15:51<kingsley>What's the best and blingy-est audio visualizer?
15:52<Deepy>people with seizures!
15:52<osirisx>abrotman: if I don't specify the interface then I think it will use the same rules for lo too - which will no doubt cause problems
15:52<Deepy>can you apt-get those ifvoid?
15:52<abrotman>osirisx: you can specify other rules for lo
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15:53<osirisx>ok thanks abrotman - I'll give it a bash
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15:54<mjt>osirisx: just create two set of rules, and do specify both interface names, regardless if the interfaces exists or not. The rules will trigger when the actual packets with the named interfaces will come.
15:54<osirisx>okey dokey
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15:56<osirisx>ironically I can do it in an iptables script - but it want to create it using fwbuilder
15:57<mjt>so apparently fwbuilder checks for interface presense first
15:57<mjt>maybe there's an option in it to ignore that check
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16:00<ethan>i just installed squeeze and have an ati rage128 when i start x i get a little artifacting in the upper screen and the system freezes, any known issues with the radeon driver and this card
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16:00<mjt>is it really radeon driver?
16:00<ethan>2.6.32-5 kernel version
16:00<ethan>mjt: i can't tell i think so
16:01<Torsten_W>it should not be the radeon driver
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16:01<Torsten_W>since a rage128 is not a radeon
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16:03<mjt>not that it helps with the bug ;)
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16:04<ethan_>sorry i was lagging bad
16:04<tekkidd>hey guys im having an issue installing webmin
16:04<tekkidd>1.520 on lenny
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16:04<tekkidd>Port 10000 is already in use
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16:05<abrotman>tekkidd: fuser -n tcp 10000
16:05<tekkidd>10000/tcp: 2518
16:05<abrotman>so what is PID 2518?
16:05<ethan_>so anyone know what driver i should use for this art rage128 ?
16:05<ethan_>netstap -ltp
16:05<abrotman>ethan_: r128
16:06<abrotman>or make it use vesa if r128 doesn't work
16:06<ethan_>oh ok i will try that
16:06<ethan_>if i had x i would pastebin more to you
16:06<ethan_>i cant
16:06<ethan_>haha wish i could
16:06<abrotman>why not?
16:06<ethan_>no x
16:06<amphi>yes, you can!
16:06<abrotman>it's not an X tool
16:06<dpkg>[pastebinit] a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". In lenny, use "pastebinit -b", because it's broken for most other sites (#572728).
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16:07<ethan_>oh ok haha, sorry thought you misses a space between pastebin and it
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16:07<abrotman>but what i said would sitll stand
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16:10<tekkidd>thanks a million
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16:11<ethan_>abrotman: you think the r128 driver would be much better than vesa cause that did work
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16:12<ethan_>thanks for that tip btw abrotman, forgot about vesa
16:13<adla>Hello, is there any bluetooth expert here familiar with bluez on Debian ?
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16:18<ethan_>i got a network i can connect to occasionally with wpasupplicant, but everytime i configure it with iwconfig it connects right away, ideas ?
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16:40<Ragelor>I have a question: how can I mount an LVM-Volume over NFS?
16:40<Ragelor>tried to export /dev - I can see /dev/mapper/vg-test on my client, but I cant mount it there ...
16:41<Ragelor>... I should specify the file system (ext3), but with -t ext3 it tells me wrong superblock ...
16:41<cmn>Ragelor: you need to mount it on your client and export the mounted path
16:41<bremner>Ragelor: mount it first on the server
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16:41<cmn>oops, yeah, that's what I meant
16:42<Ragelor>I cant mount it on the server - there is a XEN-guest on the lvm - ...
16:42<Ragelor>and I cant stop the xen guest - it is a running server (...)
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16:43<bremner>Ragelor: what are you trying to do?
16:43<Ragelor>i want to backup the xen-guest over network (nfs)
16:44<bremner>why don't you make an lvm snapshot?
16:44<Ragelor>there is one machine for server/xen and one machine for backups ...
16:44<Ragelor>well - there is no space left on the server (...)
16:44<Ragelor>or can i do a snapshot over nfs?
16:45<bremner>I doubt it.
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16:46<Ragelor>and i don't have physical access to these machines all the time - so my idea: when the backup-machine is started, it mounts the server-partitions over nfs, does the backup and halts...
16:47<Ragelor>i can tell the people to simply press the power button of the backup-machine, but i won't give them any root-passwords ;-)
16:49<Ragelor>the easy way would be to mount the backup-partition of the backup-machine on the server - ... - but then i have to know, when the backup-machine is running and i need a way for shutting down from the server without any user-interaction ...
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16:49<Ragelor>whois bremner
16:50<Ragelor>yep ... forgot the /
16:50<abrotman>oh .. a spy!
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16:50<Ragelor>sounds like "bremer" - which is a city in germany ;-)
16:50<bremner>don't you mean bremen?
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16:51<Ragelor>yes - and people from bremen are called bremer :)
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16:54<bremner>Ragelor: as far as your backup problem, my suggestion would be to get a little extra space on the server. IIRC, you don't need that much to make a snapshot, certainly not the whole amount (it is some kind of copy-on-write trickery)
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16:55<felixs>Ragelor: using nfs for backups implies that all data is transferred over your lan. use rdiff-backup to waste less of your network and do much faster backups
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17:08<Ragelor>sorry - just gave google the next try
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17:08<Ragelor>"some" extra space - ... - there is one data-partition on the lvm - filled with about 1.2TB (...)
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17:10<Ragelor>and i used rsync for my script - ... - there is no problem with the dom0-partitions of the server, but i still dont know what to do with the lvm and one raid devices
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17:17<bremner>Ragelor: maybe nbd can help; I never used it personally
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17:38<Ragelor>well ... i'll sleep...
17:39<Ragelor>and thx :)
17:39<Ragelor>still doesnt work but ...
17:39<Ragelor>... i'll try again tomorrrow :)
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17:48<Deepy>What's a nice terminal for use in xfce? uxterm is a little minimalistic when you only got one mousebutton
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18:23<Brian_R>I fail at p.d.o
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18:25<Brian_R>I'm looking at p.d.o/sid/aptitude, but I'm failing to see a link to where I can check it out from some VCS.
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18:26<JordiGH>Sometimes when coming back from a suspend, my touchpad becomes unresponsive. Plugging in a USB mouse works fine. I guess I can probably try reloading some driver? How?
18:26<JordiGH>Brian_R: The QA page should list its VCS.
18:26<Brian_R>JordiGH, to get there, s/packages/qa IIRC?
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18:26<JordiGH>Brian_R: I think there's also a link to its QA page from there, but sure.
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18:27<JordiGH>Brian_R: Developer Information on the rhs.
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18:27<JordiGH>To wit:;a=summary
18:27<Brian_R>Yeah, found it, thanks
18:27<Brian_R>Or that :)
18:28<JordiGH>You submitting some patches?
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18:28<JordiGH>Admittedly the navigation could be improved, but it's served us well for the last decade, so why change it? ;-)
18:28<Brian_R>Possibly; I'm taking a look around aptitude's source to see if I can perhaps add a new view; I'm not seeing any config mechanism to do so.
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18:28<JordiGH>For the GTK+ or the ncurses interface?
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18:29<Brian_R>Although the very thought of a gtk aptitude intrigues me too; I'll have to look into that as well.
18:29<JordiGH>You haven't seen it? It's already merged into the main branch, I believe.
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18:30<Brian_R>A gtk aptitude would greatly help my cursophobic clients.
18:30<Brian_R>I'm cloning aptitude.git now
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18:30<JordiGH>aptitude-gtk I think is the binary package.
18:30<JordiGH>It's still very bare-bones, though. :-/
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18:31<Brian_R>Ah the joys of the open development process :)
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18:32<Brian_R>There's an itch I've been wanting to scratch; a new view instead of having to type this string in every time:
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18:33<Brian_R>l~i !~E !~pRequired !~pImportant !~pStandard<return>G^u<return>S~installsize<return>
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18:51<Dilberto>Is there a way to install debian from a usb?
18:51<abrotman>!usb install
18:51<dpkg>Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use
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20:23<Ragelor>Hi, I am back ...
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20:23<Ragelor>bremner, do you remember?
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20:24<Ragelor>i tried to mount my lvms on my server - ... - but I cant see any changes i make in my virtual machines on the server ...
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20:36<Ragelor>or anyone else ...
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21:24<starke>hey all i need help
21:24<starke>squeeze kernel freezes on boot
21:24<starke>regular freezes on "loading"
21:25<starke>single user freezes on usb
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21:26<abrotman>tried unplugging all your usb devices?
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21:26<starke>hold on lemme find a log
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