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---Logopened Mon Oct 18 00:00:54 2010
00:01<nil_>This is with me?
00:01<k-man_>or maybe i'm just doing it wrong
00:04<nil_>k-man is it to me that you said?
00:04<k-man_>nil_: no - it was me talking to myself
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00:06<nil_>I did understand
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00:06<nil_>I need some help with my network.
00:08<nil_>k-man : Are you a chatter or senior?
00:09<k-man_>nil_: i don't understand your question
00:09<nil_>Are you someone who entered to talk or are you a supervisor
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00:11<k-man_>i'm not a supervisor - but.... i don't think there are any people here who are more official than others, except perhaps with authority to kick unsavoury types
00:11<k-man_>nil_: just ask your question, if someone knows they answer they will answer, if not... wait or go and ask in another forum perhaps
00:11<nil_>Maybe you can help me
00:12<k-man_>maybe, ask your question
00:12<nil_>I've tried everything to share my internet to other PC.
00:12<nil_>But it doesn't work.
00:12<nil_>I've searched in foruns
00:12<k-man_>how is your computer connected to the network?
00:13<nil_>My Lenny is direct connected.
00:13<k-man_>to the internet?
00:13<nil_>And the win7 is connected to Lenny.
00:13<k-man_>so how is lenny connected to the internet?
00:13<nil_>Via radio
00:14<k-man_>what sort of radio?
00:14<nil_>2.4Gb or 5,8
00:14<nil_>Wide band
00:14<k-man_>i'm no expert, but i think to do it in linux, you will need 2 nics of some sort. do you have that?
00:15<k-man_>how is you computer connected to this radio?
00:16<nil_>the net comes in eth0 and goes to win7 in eth2
00:16<k-man_>nic=network interface card
00:16<k-man_>ok, so you have 2 network cards?
00:16<nil_>Via cable rj45 and goes to win in crossover
00:16<nil_>by offboard
00:17<k-man_>you need to enable routing i think:
00:18<nil_>I will try this
00:18<k-man_>does your wireless radio modem thing have a router in it? or do you need to run pppd on your linux box to get a connection?
00:18<nil_>Thank you for the help.
00:18<nil_>I have direct connection by dhcp
00:19<k-man_>it sounds like you should visit your local computer shop and buy a router or switch
00:19<k-man_>ok, good luck
00:19<nil_>thank you.
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00:20<nil_>If I could solve this problem, i will put it to all you, ok ?
00:21<nil_>I would like to configure like this whithout a switch.
00:21<nil_>I has to work.
00:22<nil_>Bye for you all.Thanks for the help.
00:23<nil_>Ps: I use Debian everytime.Win is only to support clients.
00:29<EmleyMoor>Is there a guide to troubleshooting Bluetooth in squeeze?
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00:46<nil_>Em leyMoor:
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00:46<nil_>see if your bluethoot is working in other machine.
00:47<nil_>See if is installed kbluetooth.
00:47<EmleyMoor>nil_: That is impossible to do. It was working in this one under lenny though
00:47<nil_>For what you want the guide?
00:48<EmleyMoor>kbluetooth is not in squeeze anyway
00:48<nil_>Download it from the site.
00:48<EmleyMoor>(a) bluetoothd not starting at startup (b) cannot access channel 22 (the modem) on my N97
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00:48<EmleyMoor>nil_: It's neither relevant nor needed
00:49<nil_>Do you have a device to find the phone?
00:49<nil_>Or are you via cable?
00:49<EmleyMoor>What is a "device to find the phone"?
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00:50<nil_>A bluetooth device (portable)
00:50<EmleyMoor>I have a Bluetooth device (non-portable but still USB)
00:51<nil_>And have tested in other machine
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00:52<EmleyMoor>nil_: I have no other machine it can be fitted to - and it would be pretty major surgery to move it between machines if I did
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00:52<EmleyMoor>It worked (with a bluez patch) under lenny
00:52<nil_>Did you turned on your bluetooth in phone
00:52<EmleyMoor>Its existence is acknowledged by the system and I can see some nearby phones
00:52<EmleyMoor>Bluetooth is on
00:52<nil_>Have you searched ?
00:53<nil_>I have Kbluetooth here and it works better.
00:54<EmleyMoor>It's known... however, to be exhaustive I will try searching
00:54<nil_>Sometimes I have to make the computer search for device.
00:54<EmleyMoor>kbluetooth depends on the same low-level stuff that is causing trouble
00:54<nil_>Are you working with Kbluetooth?
00:55<EmleyMoor>No, it's not in squeeze anyway
00:55<nil_>try to install gnome-bluetooth
00:55<EmleyMoor>Already installed
00:56<nil_>bluetooth is installed to?
00:56<nil_>*bluetooth is the name of the prog.
00:57<EmleyMoor>Yes, it is
00:57<nil_>Try just like me:
00:57<EmleyMoor>Phone is visible in searches if set to be
00:58<nil_>I have some problems to find some prog's.
00:58<nil_>So I search for another distribution
00:58<nil_>Try to download from lenny or ubuntu hardy
00:58<nil_>It works good here.
00:59<nil_>My firefox is from ubuntu.
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00:59<nil_>My cinelerra is from Ubuntu hardy
00:59<EmleyMoor>nil_: No thanks. If it can't be done without doing that I'm not interested
00:59<nil_>download it in debian pack
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01:01<nil_>So I have only one thing to say you:Try with another friend to connect your phone and after this try to conect a phone from another .
01:01<EmleyMoor>Anyway, it looks like I am almost fixed.
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01:02<EmleyMoor>My only problem now seems to be the non-start of bluetoothd at startup
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01:02<tash>installing packages from other sources than debian repo is not good at all
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01:03<nil_>Ah!Put the link to application in the folder autostart.
01:03<EmleyMoor>It's not an "application"
01:03<nil_>Everytime you start the machine, it comes together
01:03<tash>folder autostart?
01:03<nil_>create a command
01:04<tash>create a command?
01:04<EmleyMoor>nil_: what are you on about?
01:04<nil_>I use KDE
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01:04<EmleyMoor>nil: This is low-level stuff - nothing to do with any DE
01:04<nil_>I can create a link with a command to start everything i want
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01:05<nil_>You like to write.Isn't this?
01:05<EmleyMoor>s/everything/every application/ - this is NOT an application
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01:06<EmleyMoor>It's not what I like to do, it's what is needed.
01:06<nil_>Hey you.Create an start in .ini doc
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01:06<nil_>Edit it
01:06<EmleyMoor>nil_: Irrelevant.
01:06<tash>EmleyMoor: check update-rc.d man pages
01:07<dpkg>it has been said that update-rc.d is used to manipulate System V style init script links, which are used to stop/start system services. Read the update-rc.d man page for a good introduction to Debian's boot process. For front-ends, ask me about <rcconf>, <sysv-rc-conf>, <bum>.
01:07<nil_>Good dpkg
01:07<EmleyMoor>tash: I will try that, once I have checked why it's gone wrong in the first place
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01:08<nil_>Sorry I'm gone it's not for me.I work to make the Debian easier to work in graphical mode ,ot in text.
01:08<nil_>not in text mode.
01:09<EmleyMoor>This has to be done "in text mode" as you put it
01:09<nil_>I'm an support partner.
01:09<nil_>I know this
01:09<nil_>But I like to work in graphical mode
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01:10<nil_>*a support
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01:11<nil_>Search internet in how to make a prog start in boot.
01:11<nil_>I have here,but in my language.
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01:12<tash>EmleyMoor what is your prob?
01:13<EmleyMoor>tash: bluetoothd not starting at boot
01:13<nil_>I know.You have to start it after boot.Isn't this?
01:14<nil_>So you want to start together boot
01:14<tash> EmleyMoor did you read the man pages of update-rc.d
01:14<EmleyMoor>I have just dealt with it and am about to test.
01:14<nil_>See what dpkg and tash said to you
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01:16<nil_>You have to know how your system works in the boot.What kind of modules start together and edit that you have to.
01:17<EmleyMoor>Dependency-based boot sequencing is brilliant
01:19<EmleyMoor>Just trying the mobile Internet again - none too reliable in itself in here
01:19<nil_>Do you know how to edit the boot sequence
01:20<EmleyMoor>nil_: If it were necessary, I could
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01:20<nil_>give me you mail.I willtranslate how you will make it and send
01:20<nil_>My doc is in portuguese
01:20<EmleyMoor>nil_: What part of "Sorted" did you not understand?
01:21<nil_>Sorted to me is many tipes of anything
01:21<dpkg>Since Sun Oct 17 11:05:02 2010, there have been 0 modifications, 64 questions, 8 dunnos, 0 morons and 12 commands. I have been awake for 18h 16m 35s this session, and currently reference 39314 factoids. I'm using about 18296 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 22.44/1.55 child 0/0
01:21<nil_>My English is social not informal
01:22<EmleyMoor>"I have just dealt with it and am about to test" followed by "Sorted" is pretty conclusive
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01:22<nil_>undestood now
01:23<nil_>So I have to go .Good luck!
01:24<nil_>Don't forget to put it in some forum or site if you solve this.To everybody knows how, ok.
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01:25<nil_>I'm trying to start my second PCI network board and still have any sucess 'till now.
01:25<nil_>It doesn't work, but I will solve this.
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01:27<nil_>See you all.
01:28<nil_>Ps: I use lenny.
01:28<nil_>with KDE, XFCE and gnome together.
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01:31<EmleyMoor>Phew, he's gone
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01:55<EmleyMoor>I've even managed to get blueproximity working now
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02:24<vook>anyone know off hand how to save tar output to a file ? using 'tar > output.txt' doesn't work.
02:24<tash>tar output?
02:24<vook>for example, if I'd like a text file that contains a list of all files backed up by 'tar -cvpf backup.tar /dir'
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02:25<vook>I've done this before... just don't remember
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02:27<mattcen>vook: tar -tf backup /dir > filelist.txt
02:28<mattcen>Ah sorry, you wouldn't need the /dir, and that should be backup.tar
02:29<vook>mattcen: hmm, didn't work. I
02:29<vook>...I'm about to try 'tar -cfp file.tar /dir 2>&1> file.log'
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02:31<jm_>you need -v for tar to output files included in the archive
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02:31<mattcen>vook: What version of 'tar' are you using?
02:32<vook>ya, it just occurred to me that I'm on a BSD host backing up a linux filesystem - it's BSD tar.
02:32<vook>jm_: I was using -v, just forgot to include it.
02:32<mattcen>... And you're asking about his on #debian :S?
02:33<jm_>vook: so it works then
02:33<vook>sorry... It's debian being backed up by BSD. just didn't occur to me...
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02:36<vook>hmm, this must work different in BSD. mkdir test, cd test, touch a b c d, tar cvpf e.tar * > out.txt... results in out.txt being an empty file... oh well...
02:37<jm_>maybe it's writing directly to tty for whatever reason
02:37<vook>weird, using 2> works.
02:38<jm_>wow, I didn't expect BSD to be that weird
02:38<vook>no errors... ??
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05:11<turkka>Hello. Does anyone have any ideas how to install _any_ linux distribution besides Dreamlinux 3,5 on a Fujitsu Siemens Amilo XA 2528 laptop?
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05:15<petemc>turkka: try installing debian, if you have problems someone here can probably help you
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05:25<turkka>petemc debian lenny gets surprisingly far in installation process... it gives me the installation menu, but theres a lot of different error messages...
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06:07<vook>turkka: you could possibly install debian on-top of dreamlinux after a fresh minimal install by changing repos, maintaining the dreamlinux kernel. It'd be messy though. Maybe try a debian testing iso.
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06:08<jm_>or try lenny installer with a newer kernel
06:10<turkka>there seems to be a problem with them newer kernels, because dreamlinux 4 beta 6 does not give the busybox but an instant kernel panic...
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06:10<turkka>vook yeah i was thinking something like that but what repos should I use?
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06:12<vook>I'd recommend, as jm_ said, a lenny iso with a newer kernel, or a debian squeeze iso first.
06:12<dpkg>For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images.
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06:17<turkka>okay I'll try that... thanks... Another failure, Knoppix 6.2 won't boot as well... Rather uncool machine, I'll say
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06:17<jm_>that block size = 0 message is pretty suspicious
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06:18<vook>the machine has an nvidia chipset - so possibly something (firmware) is missing or has changed in later kernels.
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06:22<turkka>Yes thats true vook. Dreamlinux boots with kernel version 2.6.whatever... But on the other hand it just stopped booting altogether...
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06:24<turkka>That was a bit hasty on my side... It's doing filesystem check, but its not very informative about it...;)
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06:27<turkka>Okay so the working kernel in dreamlinux is and I think that the amd74xx kernel module is the one that gets it going... Every other distro seems to lack that or using it wrong
06:29<jm_>that's the old, legacy IDE driver
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06:31<turkka>so the pata_amd driver seems not to be working here if the legacy driver works, right?
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06:33<vizor_>hi, how I can get list of packages installed from experimental?
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06:35<turkka>There's something about this problem here,1429,15,-Installing-linux-on-FSC-Amilo-Xa-2528-24p.html but I have no idea what should I do with that info
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06:50<EmleyMoor>Is there any way to run NetBSD/amd64 on either qemu or kvm in squeeze?
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07:08<turkka>Hey thanks, the Lenny custom 0116 seems to least now
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07:10<Millzee>I'm getting a huge problem on my Debian Squeeze install not present on Lenny. There is no sound output, even though the sound card is recognised. Anyone faced similar problems?
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07:18<EmleyMoor>Is there a way to get blueproximity to work better? I want the machine to lock/unlock due to it without password, but still allow password unlock if the device is not near
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07:37<Hannes>good morning. I have installed a Dell CERC Pci Sata controller and 3 TB disks connected to it. I can see the disks with #cat /proc/scsi/scsi, however they are , apparently, not getting a reference in /dev/. checking dmesg, they are being assigned sg3, sg4, and sg5, howerver, they are not accessible.
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07:38<jm_>which kernel are you using?
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11:16<it>Hi guy
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11:18<it>I plan to migrate my hard drives from one server to a new one. I use Linux Raid 1 and LVM on my disks, is there an easy way to do it ?
11:18<it>What must I do with LVM before and after the disk migration ?
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11:19<Hannes>good morning. I have installed a Dell CERC Pci Sata controller and 3 TB disks connected to it. I can see the disks with #cat /proc/scsi/scsi, however they are , apparently, not getting a reference in /dev/. checking dmesg, they are being assigned sg3, sg4, and sg5, howerver, they are not accessible.
11:20<it>my LVM volumes and groups will not be recognized like they are now after the migration, right ?
11:22<rpetre>it: i don't see why they wouldn't be
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11:24<it>rpetre: there is no problem of UUID ? (If I anderstand weel, LVM is actually using my Linux RAID UUID for partition and Autodetect raid partitions will remount the current raid partitions with the same UUID, so LVM would works ?)
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11:25<it>Hannes: Did you try to manually fix it with mknod ?
11:25<rpetre>it: no, raid would assemble itself first, then udev would discover the vgs and lvs on the raid devices
11:25<it>ok rpetre, thank you
11:26<rpetre>the lvm stuff is referenced by name, so worst case scenario you'd have to rebuild the mdadm.conf (and the initrd)
11:26<rpetre>but you shouldn't need to
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11:26<Hannes>@it no, I'm gonna try that
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11:26<it>Ok, I was thinking diffently because I read the HP-UX documentation
11:27<it>and HP-UX lvm implementation seems to be a bit different
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11:55<hero>can I ask programming question(in debian) here?
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11:56<hero>or I need to go anotehr channel?
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12:04<Duber>hero only if its debian related
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12:06<hero>I guess it is more linux programming related than debian related.
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12:07<hero>I want to know how to implement try() catch() chaining(similar to windows) in linux.
12:07<Duber>definetively you should find more appropiated channels for that matter
12:07<hero>can you suggest me one?
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12:09<Duber>I don't really know anyone for that purpose but #help should work at least
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12:09<hero>lol, ty... :)
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12:12<jean>'lo 'lo
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12:15<jean>I'm building a debian package that relies on udev.. after installing my udev rules file, is there a "right" way to restart udev to load the new rules?
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12:16<Duber>sudo service udev restart maybe ?
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12:16<Duber>or reload
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12:18<jean>lemme rephase. I realize there's a million ways I could do it. Is there an established way I should be doing it? I've nosed around in the docs but I haven't found anything yet.
12:21<themill>jean: maintainer scripts must use invoke-rc.d to restart daemons (check debian policy for why and how to do so). Look for some other packages that provide udev rules and see how they do it.
12:22*jean googles "debian package invoke-rc.d"
12:22<jean>themill: Thanks for the lead. that's what I was looking for
12:22<jean>I look a look a gphoto, but it seemed like they rolled their own..
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12:26<MiMe_>How can I rename my computer on network?
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12:28<axa0176>hey all
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12:29<axa0176>I seem to be having an issue w/ Debian losing its default route sometimes
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12:29<axa0176>...and I have to do a '/etc/init.d/networking restart' to get the default route back
12:30<axa0176>this happens pretty regularly on a few boxes, does anybody know why this would be happening?
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12:32<runa_>heyas. tired of my server swapping even if it had free memory (3gb of cached) and swappiness=0 I went further and "swapoff -a". now, things look better but atop shows some 'PAG scan' activity from time to time, and I see CPU sys % spiking... any hints?
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12:37<Hannes><it> I'm unnable to do it on my own,
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12:45<axa0176>I seem to be having an issue w/ Debian losing its default route sometimes.....and I have to do a '/etc/init.d/networking restart' to get the default route back
12:45<axa0176>this happens pretty regularly on a few boxes, does anybody know why this would be happening?
12:45<runa_>axa0176: dhcp or static?
12:48<axa0176>this is how my /etc/network/interfaces file looks like:
12:49<axa0176>auto lo
12:49<axa0176>iface lo inet loopback
12:49<axa0176>auto eth0
12:49<axa0176> iface eth0 inet static
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12:49<axa0176>sorry guys I got kicked out
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12:49<axa0176>...for pasting my /etc/network/interfaces file
12:50<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <>, <wgetpaste>.
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12:53<axa0176>here is my /etc/network/interfaces file:
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12:54<bremner>I'm trying to luksFormat a partition on a USB key, which I thought I had done many times before. I get Device /dev/sdb2 is not a valid LUKS device\nError re-reading LUKS header after update on device /dev/sdb2 mkfs.efs3 works fine on the same partition. Any ideas?
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12:59<esk>bremner: what command did you use?
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13:00<esk>did you check the dmesg output?
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13:00<bremner>esk: cryptsetup luksFormat /dev/sdb2 ; nothing in dmsg
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13:04<esk>bremner: did you try with --verbose, just to see if it tells you anything useful?
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13:05<jhutchins_lt>axa0176: Which release are you running?
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13:06<bremner>esk: just "Command failed with code 22: Error re-reading LUKS header after update on device /dev/sdb2"
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13:09<esk>bremner: are you running a stock kernel?
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13:10<bremner>esk: 2.6.32-5-amd64 (squeeze)
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13:12<esk>bremner: from backports, or are you running squeeze?
13:12<bremner>running squeeze
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13:14<esk>bremner: have you tried writing zeros first (just for debugging purposes, you want random data there to prevent various crypto attacks)
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13:19<bremner>ok, that was slow. (3MB/s)
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13:27<bremner>esk: hmm. tried dd'ing /dev/zero twice, both times got
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13:29<bremner>maybe the hardware is borken; just bought the key but it is an 8G model, so maybe some weird incompatibility
13:29<esk>maybe try running badblocks?
13:30<esk>I do know that a lot of manufacturers don't intend for their devices to have more than one partition
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13:30<Gathond>if you try to empty a flash, it is generally better to overwrite them with FF's
13:30<Gathond>as this is the native state of the chips
13:30<bremner>badblocks finds nothing
13:31<bremner>hmm. I can imagine some issue with multiple partitions, but it never hit me before.
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13:41<Hannes>I fixed my problem. It's a RAID controller, so I had to access the device bios and create separate arrays for each disk
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13:41<Hannes>i'm talking about this: "I have installed a Dell CERC Pci Sata controller and 3 TB disks connected to it. I can see the disks with #cat /proc/scsi/scsi, however they are , apparently, not getting a reference in /dev/. checking dmesg, they are being assigned sg3, sg4, and sg5, howerver, they are not accessible."
13:41<Hannes>Thanks everybody
13:42<supplicant>Hannes: if you have a poweredge machine you should install the openmanage tools
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13:44<Hannes>Yes, I have one, but I am using it's raid controller on another machine
13:44<supplicant>ah, ok
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13:50<axa0176>jhutchins_lt : I'm running 2.6.26-2-686
13:53<jhutchins_lt>axa0176: It's just a shot in the dark, but you could try upgrading to the .32 kernel from backports and see if it behaves any differently.
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13:57<axa0176>jhutchins_lt, I could try to uipgrade to .32 but I'm a little leery about upgrading the kernel as it's a production box....are there any good links on it?
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14:02<retrospectacus>axa0176: what does your routing table look like when it stops working?
14:02<jhutchins_lt>There's the changelog, but remember you can always fallback just by changing the boot default.
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14:17<axa0176>retrospectacus, it looks like I do a 'ip route show' and I lose this route: default via dev eth0
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14:27<hever>Somebody knows tools that could be used at server stress testing and that generate a graphical output? CPU / Memory / Traffic usage?
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14:33<retrospectacus>hever: zabbix? nagios? something like that or..?
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14:33<retrospectacus>also hobbit
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14:43<retrospectacus>axa0176: check dmesg?
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14:47<bremner>esk: fwiw, binary search reveals that luksFormatting the second partition fails when it is less than about 4G, which is pretty bizzare behaviour
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14:50<hever>retrospectacus, yes I think so, they're a bit heavy but thanks
14:50<retrospectacus>bremner: you checked the middle result from google?
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14:50<retrospectacus>hever: well there's also htop
14:50<hever>yes sure, but that doesn't gereate stats or graphs.
14:51<bremner>retrospectacus: are you making a funny, or is there actually relevant information in google?
14:53<retrospectacus>bremner: just a funny... thought it interesting you used "binary search" to find that
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14:54<bremner>retrospectacus: once I new a very small partition failed, and a very large one succeeded, binary search is natural...
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14:58<TomassoSK>Hi all, pls where can I ask for xfce4-governor-plugin for squeeze? I found it in ubuntu and used it for squeeze, its working.
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14:59<Azrael->Hi guys. I'm having trouble installing from a squeeze multi-arch netinst CD i just burnt.
14:59<hever>How could I determine what server load a server could perhaps handle?
15:00<Azrael->I choose a 64-bit install, and it complains that there are no kernel modules found. Consequently it can't load any drivers for my integrated ethernet adapter and so I can't do a netinst.
15:00<Azrael->Is this likely to be a bug with the multi-arch installer? this user appears to be having an identical problem.
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15:03<Azrael->Has anybody successfully installed from a pure-amd64 netinst iso recently?
15:03<Azrael->I only have one burnable disc left and I don't want to waste it on another failure.
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15:05<turkka>What kind of machine you have Azrael?
15:06<Azrael->amd64 laptop, nForce chipset (relevant module is 'forcedeth' which should be loaded for sure)
15:07<turkka>Yep I'm on same boat as you Azrael... There are some Debian Lenny custom files and Dreamlinux 3.5 which work... I haven't had any luck with any other distro
15:07<Azrael->i'm currently on Fedora 13
15:07<Azrael->perfect hardware compatibility out-of-the-box
15:08<Azrael->better than my windows install, no jokes
15:08<axa0176>retrospectatus, doesn't dmesg only dispaly bootup messages?
15:08<Azrael->debian seems nicer though (fedora's a bit too 'ubuntu-y' if you know what i mean)
15:09<retrospectacus>axa0176: not only
15:10<axa0176>retrospectatus: I checked dmesg but the issue is w/ the host losing its default route at some interval on bootup
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15:11<axa0176>I telnet back in through the local subnet it's attached to and add the route again through '/etc/init.d/networking restart'
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15:13<turkka>Okay maybe I should check that out too... But there has been hard drive and dvd-drive issues with any distro that I have tried... Almost all fail at initial boot
15:14<fnmueller>turkka: sounds like a hw problem
15:15<turkka>Yep... It's been a known bug for a couple of years fnmueller... No hardware problem though...
15:15<fnmueller>oh, ok
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15:17<turkka>yes it boots from live-cd, but after the kernel gets loaded it loses the dvd-drive and claims no media found anywhere...
15:18<retrospectacus>turkka: sata dvd-rom? try setting legacy mode in the bios
15:19<turkka>it doesnt matter retrospectacus... either way I'm doomed...;)
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15:21<turkka>for some reason it seems that only way to go is using the amd74xx pci ide driver... that seems kinda strange to me
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15:29<axa0176>guys, is there a place I should check for network route activity?
15:30<axa0176>i.e. changes in networks/interfaces
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15:33<classical>hey ppl can i install debian from only one cd? with netinstall you have to install everything by hand
15:34<classical>sorry i meant one DVD nor cd
15:34<supplicant>classical: yes, even a CD would work fine
15:34<supplicant>just look for the DVD images
15:35<supplicant>and I'm not sure what you mean by install, how much stuff do you need?
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15:35<supplicant>the CD/DVD route will install the base system
15:35<supplicant>then you can use aptitude to install whatever additional packages you would like
15:35<classical>supplicant, yep but there is 6 dvd images
15:35<classical>which one i need ?
15:36<supplicant>classical: you only need the first one
15:36<classical>what is in other ones ?
15:36<supplicant>extra packages
15:36<classical>and first one is only base system .?
15:36<supplicant>you'll only need those if you need to install a package they have, but have no network access
15:36<supplicant>classical: the first one is the fuully functional base system, plus many packages
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15:37<supplicant>the other DVDs are just more packages
15:37<classical>yep i know in netinstall you have to install even gdeb manually :) if i will install only from one dvd will it be a standart system ? with everything you need like ubuntu is for example
15:39<retrospectacus>something like that
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15:40<classical>Okay thanks :)
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15:50<rts>help me installing for debian linux full
15:50<rts>can i upgrading ubuntu to debian linux ?
15:50<rts>for network
15:50<rts>set sources.lists ?
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15:51<mAniAk-_>rts: no...
15:51<franki^>No, you can't upgrade from Ubuntu to Debian
15:51*pipe backs away..
15:51<rts>maniak , what no ?
15:51<mAniAk-_>no as in no
15:51<mAniAk-_>whats not clear
15:51<Tekk_>I'm in squeeze, is there a repo I can add to be able to install openfwwf or do I have to do it manually?
15:51<rts>i dont will cleaning systems
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15:52<mAniAk-_>say what
15:52<rts>can i am sources.lists set debian link and upgrding ?
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15:52<mAniAk-_>your english is le broke
15:52<mAniAk-_>no comprende amigo
15:52<rts>yes, i know , my english bad
15:53<rts>maniak , i cant help , noob man
15:53<rts>you cant help me , noob man
15:53<pipe>rts: You can NOT do what you are talking about
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15:53<rts>pipe kiss my dick ,
15:54<pipe>!op time to get rid of rts
15:54<pipe>or was it ops..
15:54<rts>!op or was it ops
15:54<retrospectacus>!ops rts
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15:54<rts>!op pipe
15:55<rts>!ops pipe
15:55<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: rts complains about: pipe
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15:58<Tekk_>is there a package or mirror with a package for openfwwf? in squeeze.
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16:02<bremner>Tekk_: I guess not yet. see
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16:25<jakob>to maintain my website i have a ftp acccess, im looking for a concept to simply make changes on the server, i've experimented already with bash and lftp but no suitable result
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16:26<retrospectacus>jakob: Places menu - Connect to server (gnome)
16:27<jakob>gnome works fine, im searching something for the shell
16:28<jakob>like a "commit" command that mirrors all the changed files from local to remote...
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16:28<retrospectacus>promote script using rsync
16:28<jakob>as far as i knows rsync doesn't support ftp...
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16:29<jakob>how do you maintain your ftp servers?
16:29<retrospectacus>true. sorry
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16:33<jakob>lftp -u user,pass -e "mirror -R -N 22:31:46 /localdir /remotedir;quit"
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16:34<retrospectacus>jakob: look into curlftpfs, you can mount remote FTP system
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16:35<retrospectacus>then rsync :)
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16:37<jhutchins_lt>jakob: Some of the GUI web editors like quanta can do that (using other utils).
16:37<jhutchins_lt>jakob: Also consider using ssh instead of ftp.
16:38<jakob>my provider offers only ftp, i know about the issue... =/
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16:50<dwq>Hi, I have edited my crontab in the hope of changing to Darklooks at night and then back to Clearlooks in the morning, but I'm doing it wrong since it doesn't work. Here's what I put in the config, can anyone see what I did wrong?
16:50<jakob>curlftpfs looks good thanks
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17:00<jhutchins_lt>dwq: Did you test each command from the command line?
17:01<rudi_s>dwq: Btw. no need for line 2 and 4, concatenate multiple commands with ;
17:02<retrospectacus>you may need DISPLAY=:0 on the start of those
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17:04<dwq>jhutchins_lt: yeah, it works fine there, except that the icon theme should be Foxtrot not Darklooks, got that part wrong.
17:04<dwq>rudi_s: doh, thanks!
17:05<rudi_s>As retrospectacus already said, most crontab problems are missing ENV variables. The env program can help when testing, man env for more information.
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17:06<dwq>retrospectacus: you mean like this?
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17:08<rudi_s>dwq: Yes. Try it with env -i HOME=$HOME PATH=$PATH DISPLAY=.. command-here (maybe you need other ENV variables).
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17:09<retrospectacus>dwq: yes. I would make a script file(s) for it and run that from crontab - I don't like putting too much on the crontab lines
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17:11<dwq>right, is there a 'recommended' place to save scripts or can I just put it anywhere?
17:12<dwq>rudi_s: I don't quite get it :) I guess I need to edit the $ parts and home is obvious, but what is path?
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17:17<rudi_s>dwq: No, just run it as is. env -i HOME=$HOME PATH=$PATH DISPLAY=:0 /usr/bin/gconftool-2 ...
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17:17<rudi_s>This only sets the HOME, PATH and DISPLAY env variables - a good way to test if something is missing.
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17:17<rudi_s>dwq: Most people place them in ~/bin
17:18<retrospectacus>dwq: just a quick example:
17:18<retrospectacus>yeah ~/bin is a good place for it
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17:20<dwq>Nice, thanks to both of you! Let me have a minute to digest this and make sure I understand what's happening :)
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17:35<ra54379>Nossa.... irc existe ainda... heheh
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17:43<euaki>alguém é vivo aqui?!?!?!
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17:49<btr>hello, can somebody help me please. i need to install libgnome-desktop-2-11 into squeeze. i added sid repository to apt sources.. but it didn't helped. any ideas please?
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17:53<pipe>did someone tell you to add the sid repository to sources.list?
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17:56<btr>pipe: no.. i'm trying lenny repository now.. and it works with libgnome-desktop-2.. i oversaw it.. is it problem to mix release repository?
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18:09<dwq>retrospectacus: I just tried this but nothing happened at 00:00
18:09<btr>ok.. lenny did the trick. thx
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18:22<hever>Somebody knows good litrature about stress testing?
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18:22<jcole>hever: http testing?
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18:26<retrospectacus>dwq: did you chmod +x themeswitch ?
18:26<retrospectacus>dwq: running /home/x/bin/themeswitch light does what?
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18:27<dwq>retrospectacus: yeah. running it changes to clearlooks
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18:31<retrospectacus>dwq: I suppose there must be another env.var that needs setting but not sure what
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18:32<hever>jcole, yes mostly but I'm interested in how I could monitor the server(s) during a test and then determine what load it/they could take...
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18:32<retrospectacus>dwq: you can run "set" to see what variables exist in your normal session
18:34<dwq>that gave me pretty much, want me to pastebin it?
18:34<babilen>dwq: It is likely to contain sensitive information -- check before you paste
18:35<retrospectacus>dwq: no.
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18:37<retrospectacus>dwq: just see if anything in there that you might need to set for that gconftool-2 command to work
18:39<jcole>hever: well, load testing is not really an exact science since websites differ, so you will need to create you own test cases and criterias for success/fail
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18:40<jcole>hever: you could use nagios for system monitoring while incrementally putting your webapp under load and review the results afterwards
18:40<hever>I find it hard to determine what load a server could perhaps take.
18:40<hever>jcole, Yes I'm going to do so.
18:41<jcole>hever: in addtion, youll want your page response times recorded (and a validation to ensure you're not serving a blank page)
18:42<hever>Well measureing and improving the server / site performance itself is not that hard. Actually I get usable and comparable results using FunkLoad. But determinig what max. requests the server could perhaps take is not that easy...
18:42<hever>And I really can't simulate such high loads...
18:43<hever>just to test it.
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18:44<dwq>Changed display to DISPLAY=:0.0 , but that didn't make any difference.
18:45<retrospectacus>dwq: you need to set the DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS env.var, which must be read from an existing X process. Refer to:
18:45<jcole>hever: whatever your simulated load test is going to do will be much different than the real life dynamic set of production users
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18:46<astho>hello! i need to make a startup script where a couple of synclient commands are started, how do i do that?
18:47<dwq>retrospectacus: heh, I just found this which seems to have the same solution :)
18:47<hever>jcole, yes. but somehow you have to estimate some kind of a maximum load. Or don't you think so?
18:48<jcole>astho: put a file in /etc/init.d and then run update-rc.d
18:48<babilen>astho: Take a look at /etc/init.d/skeleton and read /etc/init.d/README. You might also want to "/msg dpkg missing lsb tags"
18:48<babilen>!tell astho -about init script
18:49<babilen>astho: Have fun :)
18:49<dwq>we'll see if it works in 30 seconds :)
18:49<jcole>hever: slowly increment your users, wait, and watch the load... if you get to a "breaking" point (a criteria you will have to decide), you can define that as your maximum amount of users
18:50<jcole>hever: but yeah, its not a perfect science and there is so many ways to define criterias
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18:52<edbian>I made a file 15_gentoo in my /etc/grub.d/ and I ran update-grub but it still doesn't show up. What am I missing??
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18:52<jcole>hever: lets say you have a virtual user that iterates through 20 different pages with a sleep time of 2 seconds between each page... and have 100 of these users running over and over again
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18:54<jcole>hever: you could increment 10 users every 5 minutes till the server to comes to its knees
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18:54<hever>jcole, I can simulate perhaps something like 75-100 concurrent users but then it stops. The server(s) can server a lot more. So I can't really test it I''ve to guess it somehow...
18:54<jcole>hever: stop the test, and look at the page response time... youll see it drop every 5 minutes
18:55<jcole>hever: your load machine is underpowered?
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18:55<hever>it's just a case I'm describing ;)
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18:56<hever>But I think I'll reach this soon.
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18:56<edbian>I have a 15_gentoo file in my /etc/grub.d/ I ran update-grub and update-grub2. Both of them report that they see my gentoo install. When I reboot there is no menu entry for it! What am I missing?
18:56<dwq>well, still didn't solve it. but I'm off to bed for now so thanks for all the help!
18:57<pipe>hever: go to 4chan and post "click here for nude pix:", then check the load
18:57<jcole>never thought of that
18:58<hever>I often thought of this. But I also think the load would never stop ;)
18:58<jcole>hever: if you have to, create you own raw web testing "engine" with telnet or wget and a set of urls to hit
18:58<edbian>I got it. There was a typo in my 15_gentoo
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19:01<jcole>hever: for example, you could have a file with 20 urls in it... a shell script could spawn 100 wget processes using that url file that continuously stays in a while loop to ensure there are always 100 wget processes
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19:02<jcole>hever: instead a variable of 100, put "100" in a config file that is read everytime the loop runs so you can change that number dynamically
19:02<hever>Testing the server externally or via localhost I think FunkLoad is really good and this let you optimize the server under normal load really good. I'm asking myself about the max load.
19:02<jcole>hever: you could spawn thousands of wget processes
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19:03<hever>well I did not try but perhaps you're right and I could simulate a lot more concurrent users as I thought.
19:04<jcole>hever: using funkload, your server crashes after 100 users or funkloads crashes?
19:04<jcole>(perhaps "crashes" is not the correct word but you know what a i mean)
19:05<dbldtx_>If you have files I want, I'll stress test you. ;)
19:05<hever>Neither the server nor FunkLoad crashes at 100 users.
19:06<dbldtx_>1 dbldtx > 100 users
19:06<jcole>what stops it then?
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19:07<hever>jcole, nothing.
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19:07<jcole>hever: ah, you want to gather performance information and calculate how many users it could withstand?
19:08<hever>jcole, yes you got it. I'm sorry! I thought you got me.
19:08<hever>ehm ;)
19:08<hever>did you get me ;)
19:08<jcole>hever: so you really dont want to crash the server, you just want to find out what it takes to crash the server
19:09<jcole>hever: its a tough thing to calculate unless you actually crash the server lol
19:09<hever>ehm yes, it may crahs I don't really care but it would be nice to know what it nearly could handle max.
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19:11<jcole>hever: bottle necks could be anywhere... for example, if apache could take 5000 users, your db or disk may only be able to take 1000 users... you can only know if you in fact stress the system till it breaks
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19:12<jcole>hever: its hard to calculate
19:12<jcole>hever: could be something as obscure as a kernel configuration that limits open files or something
19:12<jcole>hever: you cant really know
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19:14<jcole>hever: what you'll see during a stress test is a predictable incremental slowness as you increase users... then all of a sudden, youll see a spike in your response time at a certain point... that spike is your breaking point and the max users you can withstand
19:15<hever>If you can simulate a that high load...
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19:15<jcole>hever: for example data will be like 2 4 6 8 10 12 14 20 30 43 76 90 122 etc.
19:16<jcole>hever: 14 would be your breaking point in that data set
19:17<jcole>hever: since the data is not calculable after 14
19:17<jcole>hever: make sense?
19:18<hever>well sure if the server crashes at 14 if it doesn't at 122 and you get a kind of linear behavior you could guess
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19:21<jcole>hever: even if the server doesnt crash at 122, 14 should still be your breaking point... if your data is not calculatible, then there is something badly wrong
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19:21<jcole>hever: in my experience, past 14 wont run stable for very long
19:22<hever>14 what?
19:22<jcole>hever: in that hypothetical data set
19:22<mattcen>jcole: calculable is the word you were looking for :)
19:23<hever>well if the server won't crash at 122 I see no reason why 14 should be considered as max load.
19:24<jcole>hever: however, lets say your data was something like 2 4 6 8 10 12 14 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 100 245 376 509 etc.
19:24<hever>If 122 works. At least 122 is the max ensured load.
19:24<jcole>hever: the server will eventually crash running at 122
19:25<jcole>hever: whereas it should stay stable running at 14
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19:25<jcole>hever: its like a bike with a wobbly front tire
19:25<hever>Ok you assume a "puffer".
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19:26<jcole>hever: in that second data set, you could say 80 is the breaking point
19:26<jcole>hever: since 80 is calculable (thanks mattcen)
19:27<jcole>hever: you might see a few "spikes" that are calculable in a data set which is fine
19:28<jcole>hever: like i said earlier, you really need to crash the server to see what its breaking point is
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19:29<jcole>hever: sometimes a web server will run just find at 100 users and everything looks peachy and can expect another 500+ users based on the 100 user data.. but then once you hit 150 users the server crashes and you are thinking wtf
19:29<hever>you have to crash it to be sure. But you could try to calculate to get an idea whats perhaps possible...
19:30<hever>yes I agree
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19:31<jcole>hever: thats why you should be careful on "guaranteeing" the users a web server can hold unless you actually *know* lol
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19:33<jcole>hever: you can give them an idea of how many users a web server can hold but i wouldnt sign anything or put it in writing haha
19:33<hever>;) yes sure
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20:13<dwq>Something is eating up my hard drive space, how can I find out what? I had at least 11gb free earlier, now I have 1.7 and it's getting lower
20:14<retrospectacus>df and du are your friends
20:14<dwq>The only thing I can think of is I had crontab set to run a script once every minute, but I turned that off
20:14<tash>dwq look in /tmp
20:14<jordanm>dwq: I would use gdmap
20:15<jordanm>dwq: if you have a gui that is
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20:15<dwq>err, now it's back.
20:16<dwq>Guess it had something to do with cron and it took a while to clear out, when I got to /tmp there wasn't much in there
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20:17<dwq>no it's not back, it's showing 1.6gb free under /home/dwq and 9.6 free when I'm in /tmp
20:17<tash>2 partitions
20:17<jordanm>dwq: I would use gdmap
20:18<dwq>jordanm: in the middle of installing it
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20:21<dwq>.xsession-errors 10gb... yikes!
20:22<dwq>tash: jordanm: thanks for helping
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20:23<jordanm>dwq: np. I really think there needs to be an automated method of cleaning that file, as I have had issues with in the past myself
20:23<tash>dwq yw but i didn't do anything :P
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20:27<retrospectacus>dwq: impressive
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20:40<hever>I've a server that serveres dynamic content and large media files as static content. Should I let the squid cache fill up somehow with this large files or should I run a lightweight webserver and delegate the requests to it?
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20:56<k-man_>anyone know of a simple time sheet web app, for staff to enter their hours of work?
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21:00<jordanm>k-man_: I had a job where we actually just use calc. worked fine for the business of < 30 people
21:01<jordanm>you emailed your time sheet to HR each week
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21:09<k-man_>jordanm: how did they process the time sheet once emailed?
21:10<k-man_>we currently use excel but its a bit of a hassal for the accounts person to go through each file, get the hours etc etc
21:10<jordanm>k-man_: no idea, I know that a 3rd party company handled the checks
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21:10<k-man_>also, we have a number of staff who don't sit at a computer all day, it would be good if they could log onto a web form, and sign on/off as they come and go from work
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21:12<k-man_>how can i get unzip to give me a list of files in a .zip file, suitable for passing to rm?
21:12<k-man_>i hate it when the files in a zip are not within a directory
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21:20<jordanm>k-man_: maybe unzip -l Downloads/ | awk '{ if (NR > 4) {print $4; } }'
21:21<jordanm>my test example
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21:21<jordanm>wait, that maybe should be NR > 3
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21:22<k-man_>nice work jordanm
21:22<k-man_>oh, it seems to have worked ok
21:23<k-man_>what does the nr > 3 or 4 do?
21:23<jordanm>line number
21:24<jordanm>the format of -l is instended to be human readable so the output contains the titles for the columns, that you wouldn't want
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21:33<k-man_>yeah you were right, the first file had not been deleted
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22:26<cesurasean>im trying to run mount -t ext3 /dev/nbd0 /media/sc101, but it wants me to specify a file system type. I know it's dataplow, but i don't know what to put so utilize this filesystem type! please help!
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22:29<abrotman>did you try -t auto ?
22:32<qq->cesurasean, why cross post all the time ...?
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22:32<streuner>cesurasean: most regulars hanging in FN *and* OFTC around...
22:33<qq->cesurasean, how long you need to understand that is not a "good" practice ?
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22:39<hever>k-man_, perhaps google docs something for your time sheet problem?
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22:46<k-man_>i'm thinking it would make a good project for me to learn ruby on rails
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23:22<r0ger>is it possible to mount a second drive to add space to a partition on the first drive without reformatting to do raid?
23:22<r0ger>i have two odd sized hd's in my computer that i'd like to mount the second in a way that it basically expands the size of the first
23:28<GhostlyDeath>Linear RAID or LVM
23:28<GhostlyDeath>but you'd still need to reformat
23:28<GhostlyDeath>Or you could see what directory uses the most space and move it to a disk and mount that disk there
23:29<GhostlyDeath>separate /usr or /home
23:29<GhostlyDeath>won't exactly merge the space
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23:30<r0ger>so no way to merge without a format?
23:30<GhostlyDeath>No way that I know of
23:30<GhostlyDeath>unless you are already using RAID or LVM
23:30<GhostlyDeath>usually linear RAID
23:30<GhostlyDeath>Depends on the existing setup
23:31<GhostlyDeath>r0ger: What you could do is backup your stuff
23:31<GhostlyDeath>create an LVM volume spanning multiple disks
23:31<GhostlyDeath>then create a partition in that volume and restore your files
23:32<GhostlyDeath>If you have another large enough disk and enough time
23:32<GhostlyDeath>You could tar root
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23:32<GhostlyDeath>You would need a separate /boot however to be safe
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23:38<r0ger>i might just hold off until i get another hd to be safe
23:38<r0ger>i'd hate to lose my data
23:38<r0ger>would completely defeat the purpose lol
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