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00:43<EmleyMoor>I'm not getting the actual pictures in Google Earth at the moment - why might that be?
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00:48<EmleyMoor>Only failing in that way on my desktop, which has an NVidia card
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00:56<EmleyMoor>On my laptop, which has Intel graphics, it works fine
00:57<ani>ahumm my card working find in debian nvidia
00:57<EmleyMoor>ani: Google Earth working OK?
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00:58<ani>i don't use it but i play games on wine
00:58<twb>IME nothing works properly with non-Intel GPUs
00:58<EmleyMoor>twb: I tend to agree
00:59<twb>Well, intel or my old matrox 450
01:02<EmleyMoor>This used to work, a while ago, and it was because of this someone suggested NVidia
01:02<EmleyMoor>Also, Intel cards are somewhat RHM-like in availability
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01:09<ani>EmleyMoor which nvidia card do u have
01:10<ani>GLX Renderer GeForce 9400 GT/PCI/SSE2 GLX Version 3.3.0 NVIDIA 256.44 Direct Rendering Yes ---> thats my card works well
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01:12<EmleyMoor>It's a 9600 GSO and it works well apart from Google Earth
01:13<ani>EmleyMoor, did u install retracted driver
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01:14<EpicFaggot2>hey maybe i could get better answers here than the moo channel
01:14<ani>yes EmleyMoor
01:14<EpicFaggot2>RAID 6 trying to decide which controller to keep, these are the two links
01:15<EmleyMoor>ani: Never heard that term applied to it... what do you mean?
01:15<EpicFaggot2>never thought I'd have to spend more on RAID cards than I would a video card, I've been proven wrong =,=
01:15<ani>EmleyMoor, nvidia-glx-xxx drivers not the mesa driver
01:16<ani>EmleyMoor, apt-get install build-essial module-assistant nvidia-kernel-commo
01:17<jm_>he probably means non-free driver
01:17<ani>m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source
01:18<ani>EmleyMoor, run those in terminal as root 1 by one.
01:18<EmleyMoor>ani: I have nvidia-kernel-dkms installed
01:18<ani>ok but did u install the non free driver
01:19<EmleyMoor>That depends on nvidia-kernel-common and recommends nvidia-glx...
01:19<ani>apt-get install build-essial module-assistant nvidia-kernel-common * *
01:19<EmleyMoor>... and that is the non-free driver. Under squeeze you don't need to do all that
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01:20<EpicFaggot2>okay well can anyone point me to a better server / channel with people that could help me with hardware raid?
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01:20<EpicFaggot2>i swore on my dead hard drive i wouldn't use forums
01:20<ani>EmleyMoor, without nvidia-glx u will never get any hardware acceleration .
01:21<EmleyMoor>I'm not without it, I'm with it
01:22*EmleyMoor is still checking he's not missing anything...
01:22<amitz>EmleyMoor: have you confirmed that glx is imdeed rumning?
01:23<jm_>are you perhaps using 64bit debian release?
01:23<elements1>EpicFaggot2: never heard of "areca", it's for sure not that common in the enterprise which usually means less linux driver/firmware support.
01:23<EmleyMoor>amitz: glxgears runs... and yes, amd64
01:23<jm_>areca is well known for their RAID controllers and linux support
01:23<ani>EmleyMoor, 1thing if its a new card like 4 months old then u need at list 250 to get work properly
01:23<elements1>For this money, start looking at Adaptec and LSI.
01:24<jm_>then you also need to ensure you have 32bit nvidia stuff installed
01:24<elements1>Adaptec 5805 or something.
01:24<EmleyMoor>ani: Nearer 24 than 4
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01:25<EmleyMoor>jm_: Will check on that
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01:34<EmleyMoor>jm_: Thanks... got it working
01:35<jm_>EmleyMoor: no worries
01:35<ani>ohoo u dont install gl libs for 32bit
01:35<EmleyMoor>googleearth 5 builds OK - if you --force it
01:36<EmleyMoor>nvidia-glx-ia32 was needed - together with its deps of course
01:37<EmleyMoor>I find it useful - I have an overlay of the "real" counties of England for it
01:38<simonrvn>i've made my own, it's quite handy for illustration purposes.
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02:44<BarackO>I de-activated /proc/acpi/event support in my kernel (for IBM Thinkpad T41) and now the volume/mute and brightness controls don't interact with gnome
02:45<BarackO>I understood that the acpid version in squeeze now used the netlink interface - is there any other configuration options that I should be using?
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03:25<Talon__>I am on debain squeeze :)
03:26<Will09600>could i have help configuring wifi on my laptop please =)
03:27<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>, <brcm80211>, <wl>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>.
03:27<Talon__>what chipset? intel?
03:27<Talon__>n/m lol
03:27<Will09600>i have absolutly no idea =)
03:27<Will09600>let me explain
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03:27<Will09600>i have a friends old laptop and the graphics burnt out, which means that as soon as you have 32bit graphics it hangs
03:28<Will09600>even 24 hangs
03:28<Will09600>so my dad told me to put debian on without graphical interface
03:28<Will09600>i'm not used to it and i can't get it to connect to wifi
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03:34<Will09600>whats the command for installing a .deb in command line ?
03:37<Will09600>is anyone free for a skype call it would make life much easier ? :)
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03:47<Will09600>i just went through the intel wifi page on debian wiki yet after "# ifconfig wlan0 up" i get this => "iwl3945: iwlwifi-3945-1.ucode firmware file req failed: Reason -2
03:48<Will09600>iwl3945: Could not read microcode: -2
03:48<Will09600>SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory
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03:53<jm_>and you are sure this is the card you have?
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03:56<Will09600>yes i am sure
03:56<Will09600>lspci gives me that
03:56<jm_>make sure you have installed the firmware as the wiki says
03:57<Will09600>i did no error from that
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03:57<jm_>what does 'dpkg -s firmware-iwlwifi' say?
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03:58<Will09600>i don't know but it seems to run xubuntu graphics fine so i'll switch to that ;)
03:58<Will09600>thanks for trying to help =)
03:58<zendeavor>that's anti-climactic
03:59<zendeavor>shame on you Will09600
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03:59<Will09600>i've never been good with command line ... so i prefer to put xubuntu which i know and will do the job
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03:59<zendeavor>then why did you even bother >.>
04:00<zendeavor>now's as good a time as any to learn CLI
04:00<jm_>your father will not like that
04:00<zendeavor>it's loads of fun once you understand it :D
04:01<Will09600>what's to stop me doing ctrl alt f1 and learning ? ^^
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04:03<twb>Will09600: a malicious sysadmin
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04:05<Will09600>sysadmin being the owner of the computer ?
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04:07<zendeavor>Will09600: he's right, but the fact that you're gonna have a functional GUI to work from is going to be the major delimiter
04:10<Will09600>if you knew a lot of linux but practically nothing of command line (being used to gui) what would you do ... ?
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04:12<twb>Will09600: that would make you a "user"
04:13<twb>!tell Will09600 about RUTE
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04:19<twb>Did an "ultra420" ask for help here earlier? He claimed to, but it's not in my scrollback.
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04:21<Xeross>Hey I am trying to make an alias for git clone that will clone from a specific url but somehow $1 contains a space, how do I get rid of this
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04:21<twb>Xeross: that sounds like a question for #bash (Freenode)
04:22<Xeross>twb: Ok thanks
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04:23<jm_>heh use a shell function instead
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04:31<twb>jm_: yeah, that was probably what he wanted.
04:33<EmleyMoor>I have two network cards. For a reason I can't work out, arpwatch keeps reporting a flip flop between them, on the IP address of eth1. eth0 has a fixed address on a different network. Why would arpwatch call this a flip flop?
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04:34<twb>EmleyMoor: can you pastebin the verbatim output?
04:35<EmleyMoor>twb: Will do, next time it happens
04:35<ultra420>hi.... i get across a problem.i need to run X first and then use CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE to cancel the X,and then use startxfe4, otherwise the screen is black,and i can do nothing but shutdown..
04:35<twb>ultra420: ctrl+alt+backspace is disabled by default in current releases of Xorg.
04:35-!-ultra420 is now known as DebianLearner
04:35<twb>DebianLearner: this is considered a "feature", because idiots were ACCIDENTALLY typing it and losing their work.
04:36<DebianLearner>i changed my nick name from ultra420 to debianlearner
04:36<twb>DebianLearner: you can re-enable it in xorg.conf by setting the DontZap flag.
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04:36<DebianLearner>DontZap? it is new to me... i ll check the initrc first.
04:36<amitz>accidentally typing ctrl+alt+<- .... people.. :-p
04:37<twb>amitz: well, I *assume* that was the logic
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04:37<twb>People criticized XFree86 for not making any changes, but the alternative is Xorg, where you get *dumb* changes
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04:38<DebianLearner>do you know? if i run startx,startxfce4 the screen is black,and i can do nothing but reboot
04:38<twb>Like changing the default background from stipple, so you can't easily tell when X starts up
04:38<amitz>twb: oh well :-p. DebianLearner: or you can ctrl+alt+f1. login as root, then invoke gdm restart
04:38<the-dude>DebianLearner: sed -e 's/lv3:ralt_switch/lv3:ralt_sw
04:38<the-dude>itch,terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp/' -i /etc/default/console-setup
04:38<twb>DebianLearner: I suggest you install a display manager (if you haven't already).
04:38<DebianLearner>i can do nothing, i know ctl+alt+f1,it didnt work
04:38<twb>As amitz says, gdm ("gdm3" in current releases) is a display manager.
04:38<DebianLearner>i have two dm: gdm and xdm....
04:38<twb>DebianLearner: are you running Ubuntu?
04:39<DebianLearner>no...its debian.i install debian lenny from the network
04:39<DebianLearner>my notebookt is T22,only 256M memory..
04:39<twb>Hm, I haven't seen that symptom (Ctrl+Alt+f1 not working) on Debian.
04:40<DebianLearner>it can work...indeed,but when i use the command startx,the screen turn black,and it is deeeead
04:40<amitz>DebianLearner: are you sovling this screen turn black and dead problem?
04:40<DebianLearner>i do googled,and i couldnt find out how to deal with i came here for help
04:40<twb>amitz: instead of startx, try "X -retro".
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04:41<DebianLearner>no..i didn't solve the dead problem...but luckily, i found that ,if i use X first,and then use ctrl+alt+backspace,and input startx or startxfce4 again, i can get into the desktop
04:42<DebianLearner>ok.thanks.i ll try "X -retro"
04:42<twb>DebianLearner: if it's working, you'll see a stipple pattern instead of black, and you'll be able to use Ctrl+Alt+f1
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04:42<DebianLearner>thanks really...i ll put this command down...
04:43<EmleyMoor>gdm3 is much nicer than old gdm, if you have multiple users with different keyboard layouts
04:43<DebianLearner>i mean .i ll write them on paper.becourse the notebook is at home
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04:43<twb>EmleyMoor: I remain utterly unenthusiastic about the heavyweight dms
04:44<twb>gdm3 on lucid caused so much trouble that I ended up replacing it with xdm at my prison
04:44<EmleyMoor>I used to use xdm
04:44<jm_>I still use that but I have to replace it with "nodm" or somesuch
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04:45<twb>jm_: instead of nodm I was simply putting it in inittab. But thanks to KMS, I nowadays start X only "on demand" if I run into a particularly asinine website.
04:46<Frank__>Question: If building a multi-package release of a debian package, is it possible to have different version numbers for the packages? (example: My program contains both source and firmware, and they are developed in separate repositories, but built and distributed as a multi-package under the same "name", however I'd like to preserve the version numbering for the firmware files despite the source using the version number from changelog)
04:48<DebianLearner>i dont want to use desktop environment,if the links2 can support CJK...
04:48<EmleyMoor>Only three outstanding issues from my recent upgrade now - one reported as a bug, one just needs my time to fix...
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04:50<EmleyMoor>Make that four things... the OS for one of my VMs has a new release
04:51<EmleyMoor>They've introduced RSODs
04:51<zendeavor>red screens of death?
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04:58<twb>If I have a router with multiple interfaces, where is the most elegant place to define blackhole routes?
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04:58<twb>It seems a bit silly to do it in post-up of a specific interface
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05:03<bremner>Frank__: more of a question for #debian-mentors; off hand I don't see how to do what you want since the versions some from the changelog
05:04<bremner>Frank__: to be honest, I'm not convinced you should have one source package in your example
05:05<Frank__>bremner, thanks for the reply
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05:31<EmleyMoor> - my unexplained flip flops
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05:34<twb>EmleyMoor: .local is a zeroconf thing
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05:34<twb>EmleyMoor: if you're using it for your private network: don't. BAD THINGS will happen.
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05:34<twb>EmleyMoor: if you're not explicitly using it, try turning off avahi and network manager.
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05:35<EmleyMoor>twb: I'm not using it... so I will try that
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05:36<twb>I'm not sure that's actually related to your problem, however...
05:36<twb>It seems to be saying that two different NICs have are getting the same IP -- if you have a bridge, maybe arpwatch doesn't understand that?
05:36<twb>I suppose it could also be an attack by an ARP poisoner.
05:37<EmleyMoor>The bridge only contains 1 physical interface, and some taps
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06:00<solidrock>hi guys
06:00<solidrock>i have a question regarding iptables on debian 5
06:00<solidrock>i found nowhere the init script for reloading the iptables
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06:01<jm_>solidrock: there isn't one
06:02<jm_>in older versions of the package README.Debian mentioned this I think, but it's no longer there
06:02<DebianLearner>i do like linux.......i need to learn a alot..
06:02<solidrock>you need to read a lot of stuff of linux
06:03<twb>solidrock: apt-get install iptables-persistent
06:03<solidrock>@jm_: where do you suggest to put the modified iptables
06:04<solidrock>what about that iptables-persistent?
06:04<jm_>solidrock: pre-up for your interface or somesuch
06:04<solidrock>copy that
06:04<solidrock>if i put it on /etc/network/ifup.d/iptables?
06:04<jm_>that's how I do it at home, at work I simply use ferm
06:05<twb>iptables-persistent is a package that simply provides the functionality you asked for
06:05<solidrock>no difference at all?
06:06<jm_>the difference is that package is not available in lenny ;)
06:06<twb>Oh, sorry.
06:06<twb>Unless your rule file requires DNS resolution, there's no point putting it in post-up.d -- iptables-restore works even before the network interfaces *exist*
06:06<koollman>I always wondered... why did that script went away and wasn't replaced ? :)
06:07<twb>koollman: it went away because the iptables maintainer didn't want to mandate a "one true way" to do it, IIRC
06:07<solidrock>i noticed that also..:)
06:07<solidrock>what ufw ?
06:07<solidrock>what about ufw?
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06:07<solidrock>how come ubuntu has this service while debian hasn't
06:07<koollman>twb: well, changing it to a 'no simple way to do it' isn't really a good option, I think
06:07<twb>solidrock: ufw is a hand-holding wrapper that basically provides tcpwrappers-level functionality without needing to know what you're doing.
06:08<twb>koollman: I totally agree.
06:08<solidrock>hmm..i thought all the way it is a derivative of iptables also
06:08<twb>solidrock: it isn't available in lenny, but it is available in squeeze. Presumably it wasn't ready when lenny was released.
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06:08<twb>solidrock: ufw is a "derivative" in the sense that it wraps around iptables.
06:08<solidrock>squeeze is still on testing not yet stable
06:09<koollman>twb: sure... but the script was in sarge, removed from etch, not added back in iptables, and something new in lenny. that's two releases, or ... some years, without any easy iptables scripts :)
06:09<solidrock>i understand now, so it's just somewhat similar to tcpwrapper functionality
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06:09<solidrock>koollman: yeah
06:10<twb>koollman: erm, I'm agreeing with you. You don't need to convince me that the DD's decision was daft.
06:10<solidrock>ufw quite easy to manage and functionality is also the same
06:12<solidrock>is iptables-persistent available in lenny?
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06:12<twb>21:06 <jm_> the difference is that package is not available in lenny ;)
06:13<twb>I suppose you could just install it anyway; it's literally just an rcS init script.
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06:15<mac7>Hi,I try to format an usb stick into FAT in linux, how + what program can do this?
06:16<solidrock>can you extract more parameter using mkfs.vfat
06:16<petemc_>do what?
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06:16<solidrock>complete sample parameter using mkfs.vfat
06:17<mac7>looks quite complicated...
06:17<mac7>Is there a program with a GUI?
06:17<twb>mac7: do you know the partition name?
06:17<twb>(e.g. /dev/sdz1)
06:18<twb>That's a mount point.
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06:18<twb>Try looking int /dev/disk/by-label/
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06:19<twb>Once you know the partition name, you can (probably) simply run "sudo mkfs -t vfat /dev/disk/by-label/corsair", where "corsair" depends on the device.
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06:20<twb>@ probably just means it's a symlink
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06:21<twb>mac7: there probably is a GUI, too, but I don't know what it is.
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06:22<mac7>dev/disk/by-label/corsair: No such file or directory
06:22<iotaka>hi, if I found a problem on a backport package, this is the right palce where I can report / ask?
06:23<themill>dpkg: tell iotaka about bpo users
06:24<twb>mac7: the leading slash is important.
06:24<iotaka>thanks themill
06:25<mac7>twb: what do you mean?
06:26<twb>mac7: oh, perhaps your IRC client suppressed the leading / and you didn't realize it.
06:26<twb>21:22 <mac7> dev/disk/by-label/corsair: No such file or directory
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06:31<mac7>still no go
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06:34<mac7>AH found something more, it should be CORSAIR with capitals...but then
06:34<mac7>kfs.vfat: unable to open /dev/disk/by-label/CORSAIR
06:34<twb>mac7: pastebin the output of "cat /proc/partitions" and "ls -l /dev/disk/by-label".
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06:36<mac7>major minor #blocks name
06:36<mac7> 7 0 13049856 loop0
06:36<mac7> 8 0 78150744 sda
06:36<mac7> 8 1 25744131 sda1
06:36<mac7> 8 2 1 sda2
06:36<mac7> 8 5 41206693 sda5
06:36<mac7> 8 6 11197273 sda6
06:36<mac7> 8 16 7831552 sdb
06:36<mac7> 8 17 7831520 sdb1
06:36<davi>What graphic application have a graphic catalogue (house, dog, cat, car, ...) which I could use quickly draw pictures for babies?
06:36<mac7>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2010-10-21 11:45 CORSAIR -> ../../sdb1
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06:38<mac7>to me corsair = sdb1, right?
06:39<twb>mac7: yes. So you can also do "mkfs -t vfat /dev/sdb1"
06:40<twb>davi: perhaps you want
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06:40<mac7>hmmm still no go...mkfs.vfat: /dev/sdb1 contains a mounted file system.
06:41<twb>Where is ISC dhcpd's "netbios-node-type" option described?
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06:45<deavid>debian installer can resize partitions without losing any data? i never tried to resize; i always formatted the entire drive, so i have no idea if it works
06:45<twb>Here, apparently:
06:46<twb>deavid: depends on the filesystem and disk label type
06:46<EmleyMoor>flip flops still happening but hostname now <unknown>
06:47<deavid>twb: i just need ext2, ext3, and xfs
06:47<twb>deavid: ext is pretty safe, I don't know about xfs
06:48<deavid>ok :-) thank you!
06:48<twb>deavid: as always, make sure your backups are up to date
06:49<petemc>deavid: tuxpaint
06:49<solidrock>hey guys, how do i disable ctrl alt del on debian server
06:49<jm_>are you sure you want to?
06:50<jm_>edit inittab
06:53<twb>solidrock: anyone with physical access to your machine can probbaly fuck you in other ways...
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07:04<neskau>trying to install debian on maqui here and the following error appears after the screen to choose which type of installation: [0.496101] PCI: Can not allocate resource region 1 of device 0000:00:14.0 and not leave this screen ... and underneath it on the screen has the message "Kernel alive" and "Kernel direct mapping tables up to 2200000000 @ 80000-12000
07:04<neskau>Ler foneticamente
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07:08<twb>neskau: that is a kernel panic
07:08<twb>neskau: it means something very bad happened in the OS -- usually a bug
07:08<twb>neskau: which URL did you download the ISO from?
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07:10<twb>neskau: the *full* URL, please
07:10<twb>neskau: has a lot of isos
07:10<neskau>I have to download another ISO?
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07:14<twb>neskau: that looks like an OK iso to use
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07:14<twb>neskau: I wanted to make sure it wasn't an experimental/unstable iso -- 5.0.6 is not, so that's OK.
07:15<neskau>[twb]: I have to download another ISO?
07:16<bremner>neskau: did you check the md5 sums of the ISO you downloaded?
07:16<Ornedan>How do I find out what's making my X use ridiculous amounts of memory (1.3 GB virtual size, 1.2 GB resident)?
07:16<twb>Ornedan: er, X is
07:16<twb>Ornedan: unless you're somehow counting the X clients in "X is using"
07:16<neskau>Hey, bremner: no
07:17<f8l>Ornedan: It's not using it. It just says it may be using it in future. res value is more real.
07:17<twb>f8l: he quoted 1.2GiB RSZ
07:17<f8l>Ornedan: Oh, sorry. Missed that.
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07:18<twb>Ornedan: I guess you could bounce the host, then graph memory change over time as you start clients
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07:18<bremner>isn't there some command like xtop that shows what client is using what?
07:18<neskau>[twb]: I have to download another ISO?
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07:18<twb>neskau: plonk.
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07:18<bremner>neskau: stop repeating yourself, please
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07:19<Ornedan>twb: Yeah. But that's kinda not handy. I was wondering if there's some tool that'd let me get such debugging data directly from X itself
07:19<twb>bremner: assuming each client is a separate process, ordinary top will show that, surely
07:19<bremner>twb: no, because some of the memory is in the X server process
07:20<twb>On the subject of X: why doesn't my new apple bluetooth keyboard honor XKBOPTIONS=ctrl:nocaps in /etc/default/keyboard?
07:20<twb>Both it and the onboard keyboard behave correctly in fbcon, and the onboard keyboard behaves correctly in X.
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07:21<twb>Hmm, wtf. Now I can't reproduce it.
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07:23<twb>...and now I can again. It seems to depend on whether I type on the onboard keyboard FIRST
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07:24<twb>The apple keyboard treats the caps key as a caps lock -- until I press caps on the onboard keyboard.
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07:25<twb>And if I run setxkbmap -option ctrl:nocaps -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp, it also fixes it.
07:25<twb>Grmph, stupid Xorg...
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07:38<classical>hey ppl need some help please
07:38<classical>i have a physical network interface eth1
07:38<classical>and virtual interfaces eth1:0 eth1:0 etc
07:38<classical>i shutdown eth1:0 virtual interface
07:39<classical>but now im not able to start it up again
07:39<classical>ifconfig eth0:1 up
07:39<classical>SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address
07:39<twb>ifconfig doesn't understand that one interface can have multiple addresses.
07:39<twb>ip (in the iproute package) does. I use it; it avoids this issue entirely.
07:40<classical>twb, i restart networking and solve problem thanks for da reply :)
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07:53<twb> <-- ip(8)-purist interfaces(5) -- comments please
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07:56<EmleyMoor>I have just discovered that my joystick is interacting with my desktop - how can I stop that and restrict it to applications?
07:57<darkskiez>twb: why the different subnets /26 and /28 ?
07:57<twb>darkskiez: hysterical raisins
07:58<twb>But actually those addresses are slightly contrived
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07:59<mattcen>The latter definitely looks neater. I haven't done anything that fancy with interfaces(5) though, so probably can't be much help with verification.
08:00<classical>twb, thx but i want to use dhcp i dont want to set interface to static
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08:01<twb>classical: I'm not talking to you
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08:01<twb>It'd be nice if interfaces(5) and ifupdown just used ip directly.
08:02<mattcen>twb: So 'ip address flush dev' flushes the *configuration* of the interface? (/me checks the manpage)
08:02<classical>twb, ok sorry :)
08:02<twb>mattcen: it flushes the addresses
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08:03<mattcen>Why does the former require the || true, but the latter does not?
08:03<mattcen>Because you *want* it to stop on failure?
08:03<twb>The || true was because adding an address isn't idempotent
08:04<twb> grmph
08:04<ItalianPlumber>I've looked on "ls" manpages, etc... can't find this: is there a way to get ls to count the number of files it listed?
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08:05<mattcen>ItalianPlumber: Pipe 'ls -1' to 'wc' would be one way, but isn't reliable because filenames could have newline characters in them, altering the result.
08:05<classical>twb, so what to use instead of ifconfig ?
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08:06<pipe>Plumber, pipe and wc in the same sentence
08:06<twb>classical: ip
08:06<EmleyMoor>ls | wc -l gives a good idea
08:06<classical>twb, ipconfig ?
08:06<twb>pipe: that's not *reliable*
08:06<twb>classical: no, ip(8)
08:06<ItalianPlumber>1078 1119 25759
08:06<twb>classical: 22:39 <twb> ip (in the iproute package) does. I use it; it avoids this issue entirely.
08:06<ItalianPlumber>which number?
08:06<pipe>wc -l
08:07<classical>twb, this ?
08:07<twb>classical: I suppose so
08:07<classical>twb, ok thx :)
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08:08<ItalianPlumber>if I use it with ls -R, will that be accurate?
08:09<twb>find surely has some sort of -count
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08:09<EmleyMoor>ItalianPlumber: You want what's in ste subdirectories as well?
08:09<twb>find -printf x | wc -c
08:10<mattcen>twb: Ah that's elegant! I was trying really hard to work something like that!
08:10<twb>That's more efficient than counting lines in a listing (I think; depends on stat(2) and find(1)).
08:10<twb>find -count would be more elegant still
08:10<twb>Except I cna't find it
08:10<mattcen>What does stat(2) have to do with it?
08:10<twb>cf. grep -c
08:11<twb>mattcen: if find stat's every file, it'll be about as inefficient than find -ls
08:11<ItalianPlumber>EmleyMoor: yes. I do. Thanks... I'll try that later
08:11<twb>mattcen: find -type d -name x vs. find -name x -type d can have different performance profiles on different systems
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08:12<twb>mattcen: because filenames are stored in the parent inode, but... er... somethign else, is stored in stat(2) on the file itself.
08:12<mattcen>Ah right
08:12<twb>See GNU find's -O3 option
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08:17<mattcen>twb: RTNETLINK answers: File exists:, indicates that perhaps the address already exists on the interface.
08:17<mattcen>Perhaps the ifdown didn't clean up properly
08:17<twb>mattcen: yeah, I worked that out
08:17<twb>The missing flush, rememeber?
08:17<mattcen>Ah of course
08:17<mattcen>Nonetheless, what a misleading error!
08:18<twb>RTNETLINK says that about everything
08:18<twb>you get used to it
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08:18<twb>(The "file" will be something in /proc or /sys, I wager)
08:19<mattcen>Yes I figured that, but there are a lot of "files" in there :-).
08:19*mattcen really goes to bed now. G'night all
08:19<ItalianPlumber>find lists the directory as one of the filenames.
08:20<twb>ItalianPlumber: so find -not -type d
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08:21<ItalianPlumber>rockin'. Thanks everybody
08:21<Azrael_>Hi guys -- I have a 64 bit laptop. I mainly use it for gaming and internet browsing. Will there be any problems if I go with the amd64 version instead of x86?
08:22<jm_>Azrael_: depends; flash is crap on 64bit
08:22<Azrael_>I'm currently running Fedora 64bit, Adobe's 64-bit seems to work fine
08:22<jm_>just to clarify - even bigger crap than on 32bit
08:23<EmleyMoor>I get on OK with it
08:23<jm_>interesting - I have no sound with it + constant crashes of the plugin
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08:24<Azrael_>Fullscreen flash videos are a bit jittery but other than that it seems fine.
08:24<Azrael_>Any issues other than Flash?
08:24<Azrael_>What about graphics card stuff?
08:24<jm_>the rest is just regular debian experience for me
08:25<Azrael_>So far my only experience with Linux is the multi-arch netinst CD not being able to install 64-bit
08:26<jm_>haven't tried that, I converted my system from i386 to amd64
08:26<Azrael_>ooh you can do that?
08:26<EmleyMoor>Azrael_: I saw one that cound do 32 and 64 from same CD
08:26<Azrael_>EmleyMoor: that's what i have
08:26<Azrael_>but it's broken
08:26<jm_>yes but it can be a lot of work
08:27<EmleyMoor>Never actually used it...
08:27<Azrael_>not many people have
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08:27<Azrael_>i just burnt it, put it in, it complained about not finding any x64 kernel modules
08:27<Azrael_>googled it, one person had had the same problem
08:29<Azrael_>Anyway, if converting from 32 to 64 is only for pros i think i'll just burn an amd64 disc
08:29<jm_>yeah just use that if it's a new install
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08:31<Azrael_>farewell, last blank disc
08:31<Azrael_>you served me well.
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08:46<mursalat>hi there ppl
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08:47<mursalat>i just have a quick question.. if i did some change in the configurations of a software that i installed using apt-get, then if i udpate the software, are those configurations lost?
08:47<iotaka>mursalat: normally no
08:47<jm_>it shall ask you
08:48<iotaka>mursalat: when you install a package and there is a conflict apt ask to you what you want do
08:48<mursalat>ohh kkk.. thnx, i would hang around, but i got a fck load of work... thnx a lot
08:48<mursalat>c ya
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08:56<Dark>Have a Good Day everyone
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09:20<amfg>I have installed Backtrack 4 RC1 (based on karmic).. it installed grub and now I can't start maveric or any other system on ext4.. ArtistX (based on jaunty - ext3) is still bootable.. I've got systems in grub but.. it does not work
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09:21<amfg>debian :D
09:21<amfg>im sorry :)
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09:25<twb>grub is up there with NM and upstart in the list of things that drive to defenestration
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09:35<classical>if i copy two public key in authorized_keys will it be a problem ?
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09:44<bremner>classical: no
09:44<bremner>classical: unless those keys belong to people you don't trust ;)
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09:45<classical>bremner, :-D
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10:21<Woet>I'm getting '"The kernel was unable to re-read the partition table on /dev/md0 (Invalid argument)" when setting up my server with software RAID
10:22<Woet>partitions are
10:22<Woet>any idea?
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10:33<Woet>i see no solution though, suu
10:33<Woet>i see no solution though, supplicant
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10:34<supplicant>see also:
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10:34<supplicant>Woet: it says to drop into a shell and run swapoff on both disks
10:34<Woet>ah, okay
10:34<Woet>i'll just try again with the latest version of the disk
10:35<Woet>if it happens again, i'll do that
10:35<Woet>latest version as in latest debian :)
10:35<supplicant>let me know how it goes
10:35<jhutchins_lt>Anybody know where to configure power management in kde4?
10:36<supplicant>jhutchins_lt: guidance-power-manager
10:36<jhutchins_lt>Should be part of the laptop task, isn't.
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10:40<chealer>jhutchins_lt: in systemsettings's Power Management (powerdevilconfig)
10:41<jhutchins_lt>chealer: Wasn't available when I looked, had to install kde-guidance-power-manager.
10:41<chealer>jhutchins_lt: it's in Advanced
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10:42<jhutchins_lt>I do get sound with some fiddling after suspend though, that's nice.
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10:57<chealer>jhutchins_lt: hum. are you missing kde-plasma-desktop?
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10:58<antivirtel>hello all, where can I lookup my last errors, because it wrote: "1 failure since last login" ?
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11:02<chealer>antivirtel: did you check auth.log?
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11:09<jhutchins_lt>chealer: looks like I am.
11:10<jhutchins_lt>chealer: any known performance issues with plasma? This is an old laptop.
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11:12<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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11:13<jhutchins_lt>chealer: Actually, it is installed.
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11:40<Talon_>I'm runnin Debian squeeze, and I have a problem. I have an external usb hard drive, when I plug it in, doesn't show.. I plug in my mp3 player and it does show.
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11:41<felixs>Talon_: dmesg | tail
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11:48<Talon_>oh weird
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11:48<Talon_>now it works
11:48<Talon_>i plugged it in to let it try n do that dmesg, and it just popped up lol
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11:51<rhlee1>hey guys, which channel for font packaging?
11:51<chealer>jhutchins_lt: not that I know, but Plasma is a basic component. it's odd, if it's installed you should have the grey lightbulb in the Advanced tab
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11:55<OdyX>rhlee1: try #debian-mentors
11:55<rhlee1>OdyX: cheers mate
11:56<jhutchins_lt>chealer: It's possible that I overlooked it, but I don't think so.
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12:17<Sigur>I'm tryng to install debin testing on a netbook from a usb stick i made with unetbootin, but the debian staller refuses to go on when it can't find the cdrom..
12:17<Sigur>how can i solve?
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12:20<qq->!usb install
12:20<dpkg>Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use
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12:26<jhutchins_lt>Sigur: We have seen people use unetbootin successfully, but there do seem to be frequent problems.
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12:31<SkuenD>Anybody can help me?
12:31<SkuenD>minor problem :P
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12:34<dan_>hi all
12:34<dan_>a question please
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12:36<dan_>how can i install ati firmware ?
12:36*jean finishes his pizza and returns to stabbing mini-dinstall into workingness
12:39<jhutchins_lt>SkuenD: not unless you tell us what it is.
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12:40<SkuenD>you know those ~ files?
12:40<SkuenD>that Kate and Kwrite creates? ( probably other editors aswell ) as backup files
12:41<SkuenD>they're really annoying in my sight... how can i make them hidden without having to add to each . prefix? or just cancel they're creation at total?
12:42<cahoot>read the config options for the apps?
12:43<SkuenD>couldn't find anything at the settings menu ( im using Kate )
12:43<SkuenD>another problem with Kate: it won't remember marked plugins ( i'
12:44<SkuenD>( i've marked the "Open Header" and "Quick document switcher, pressed apply, than ok, and it's marked, but if i close Kate and open it again it will restore defaults )
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13:05<dwq>SkuenD: I thought they were hidden automatically? At least they are in Nautilus
13:05<dwq>SkuenD: oh, you use kde, sorry :)
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13:07<SkuenD>yeah, im using kde...
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13:07<Comp>доброго времени суток.
13:07<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ or use English here.
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13:08<Comp>ok. sorry. tnx
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13:08<dwq>SkuenD: google: kde hide backup files, there's a thread on the ubuntu forums with a solution
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13:16<prajul_>how scheduler ensure scheduling all process within the sysctl_sched_latency period
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13:18<prajul_>any one having some idea about CFS scheduler
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13:24<jhutchins_lt>prajul_: There may be documentation or discussion at
13:25<jhutchins_lt>prajul_: See also #linux
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13:29<prajul_><jhutchins_lt>:i want to know about CFS internals like place_entity() function ; documentation are not complete
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13:31<jhutchins_lt>prajul_: That's not a debian specific question, it's pretty deep kernel knowledge. The kernel forums are a more likely source than this channel.
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13:31<jhutchins_lt>prajul_: This is a Debian user support channel, not a kernel development channel.
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13:33<jhutchins_lt>prajul_: It's not that we don't want to help, it's just that that's not what we do here.
13:33<frinsk>is it possible to merge non adjacent partitions?
13:33<jean>Arg. What would cause mini-dinstall not to add packages to the Packages.gz file? I'm trying to add packages with dput, but it's just not working out.. no errors though
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13:33<jean>I'm guessing it has something to do with the release
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13:37<prajul_><jhutchins_lt>is it possible to merge all debian packages required to install a software into a single debian pkg
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13:37<anonyme>je recherche à modifier un fichier binaire en hexadécimal en ligne de commande je ne comprends pas pourquoi on ne peut pas faire ça avec hexdump ou xxd
13:38<anonyme>quelqu'un connait un editeur hexadécimal en ligne de commande qui puisse faire cela, merci d'avance
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13:39<prajul_>jhutchins_lt:can i move an application installed on my friends computer to mine-- all are debian distros
13:39<anonyme>ya personne ???
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13:40<prajul_>anonyme:english possible??
13:41<retrospectacus>anonyme: maybe try bvi
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13:43<slurb>prajul_, if all dependencies are met on the debian system you are instally too
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13:46<jhutchins_lt>prajul_: Better to install it, that way your package database knows about it.
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13:46<jhutchins_lt>prajul_: You might ask dpkg about apt-zip and apt-offline
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13:47<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
13:47<slurb>if you use dpkg the system knows about it
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13:47<slurb>i am assuming you are speaking of a .deb file
13:48<jhutchins_lt>prajul_: It's also possible to generate a list of installed packages and then use that for pre-seed or to clone one setup to different hardware.
13:48<prajul_>you mean to use debian repack
13:49<slurb>all the .deb files i have installed with dpkg outside of apt-get or synaptic have shown up in apt-get and symantic
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13:51<prajul_>slurb:i actually wanted to move the application to a system and it dosent have a internet connectivity
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13:52<jhutchins_lt>prajul_: I don't think anybody mentioned repack.
13:53<jhutchins_lt>prajul_: The original .deb file may be in the cache on the system that has it installed.
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13:54<slurb>prajul_, well, thats a long and arduous process. probably easier to just take the box to somewhere you have internet
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13:55<slurb>prajul_, if all depends are met then you can just d/l the deb and put it on a cd. but if depends aren't met, you will need all of those deb's as well.
13:56<prajul_><jhutchins_lt>there will be a lot .. all those stuffs which were installed along with the required files.
13:56<BluesKaj>Howdy , kind of new on debian , what's the run command for opening files like /etc/apt/sources.list ?
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13:56<retrospectacus>prajul_, try grabbing /var/cache/apt/archives - all your debs will be in there
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13:58<prajul_><retrospectacus>:how to identfy only the required files from cache
13:58<jhutchins_lt>slurb: apt-zip and apt-offline are both meant to do what you're asking about.
13:58<retrospectacus>prajul_, can't
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13:59<retrospectacus>prajul_, "apt-cache show whatever" and check the depends section
13:59<jhutchins_lt>prajul_: Start with ls /var/cache/apt/archives though
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14:00<retrospectacus>prajul_: in there will be all the .debs that were downloaded
14:00<retrospectacus>unless you cleaned the cache
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14:02<prajul_>what about this command dpkg-repack
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14:13<BluesKaj>jhutchins_lt: what am I missing here ? "The underlying authorization mechanism (sudo) does not allow you to run this program. Contact the system administrator."
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14:14<retrospectacus>!sudosmite BluesKaj
14:14*dpkg takes a lump of 2x4 to BluesKaj and yells "This is not #ubuntu!!!1!"
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14:15<retrospectacus>BluesKaj: use su
14:15<BluesKaj>retrospectacus: pls bear with me , a bit of a noob on debian ...but I suppose that's the response you wanted to see :)
14:15<BluesKaj>ok thnks , retrospectacus
14:15<franki^>Using sudo isn't necessarily bad...
14:16<BluesKaj>well, it's not working for me , sudo i mean
14:16<Gathond>BluesKaj: that is just because it is not configured to give you any rights
14:16<franki^>HAve you configured it? Or just installed it and hoped it would work like Ubuntu? :>
14:16<BluesKaj>I keep getting that sudoers error
14:17<dpkg>[sudo] (Substitute User DO) Not enabled by default on Debian systems; configure /etc/sudoers first, ask me about <visudo>, <sudoers>. sudo can give limited super user privileges to specific users, or allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root permissions, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program".
14:17<dpkg>You can grant yourself (minimally secure) root permissions for <sudo> by adding a line like this to /etc/sudoers: 'user ALL=(ALL) ALL' (no quotes, replacing user with your username). For more security, please study the man pages from 'apropos sudo'. See also <visudo>.
14:17<Gathond>the advantage in sudo compared to su, is that it is possible to enable access to ONLY specific items
14:17<BluesKaj>frank uhmm yeah, the latter
14:17<franki^>BluesKaj: Read some of those things, I can't help much because I don't use sudo. But I don't think that it's a bad idea too, but unnecessary in my situation
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14:27<cesurasean1>When I go to preferences>startup applications in gnome, and then edit the command string, for some reason it keeps reverting to the old command string and dropbox isn't able to load without the sudo?
14:27<cesurasean1>Can I edit this in a file?
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14:37<BluesKaj>think I'm in some kind of hellish vicious circle user ALL=(ALL) ALL errors out ., tried opening /etc/sudoers in the run command , but no such file ... guess the tutorials assume something I'm not aware of., still at squareone
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14:40<carmencitta>hola como te llamas?
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14:40<themill>!ubuntu-es carmencitta
14:40<dpkg>carmencitta: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en Ahi recibira mas soporte.
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15:11<paranoidphreak>hi everybody, i had installed squeeze back in august when it froze and created an image right after installing it; a week later, i ran "aptitude full-upgrade" and after restarting my system after the upgrade, the gui login screen wouldn't show up, so i had reloaded the image i had created; ever since, i ran full-upgrades a few times and same issue to this day. i have reloaded the same image on another system and ran the updates and had no problem
15:11<paranoidphreak> on that system; only on this system. can anyone help me plz
15:11<paranoidphreak>only on this system i have problems
15:12<jhutchins_lt>Perhaps the two systems have different hardware, possibly different GPU's?
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15:13<paranoidphreak>jhutchins_lt: yeah, they are completely different
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15:14<paranoidphreak>but i was thinking if it's a hardware related bug, it would've probably been fixed by now
15:14<jhutchins_lt>The Intel graphics bug seems to be fixed this week, but you might want to look for bugs relating to your hardware.
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15:16<paranoidphreak>jhutchins_lt:, i'll go without updates for now and try the system update sometimes in november.....thanks
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15:16<jhutchins_lt>paranoidphreak: Better to figure out which package is the problem and pin it until it's fixed.
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15:17<jhutchins_lt>paranoidphreak: Actually, you should probably be running lenny, squeeze doesn't get the security updates as reliably.
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15:17<paranoidphreak>jhutchins_lt: my system doesn't support lenny anymore after i got my laptop repaired by the vendor :(
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15:19<paranoidphreak>jhutchins_lt: i had moved to ubuntu temporarily and was waiting for squeeze to freeze
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15:44<Husaini>how to know i using debian lenny (5.0.6) ?
15:45<dpkg>Kernel: uname -r, or cat /proc/version. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc) and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command; check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions.
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15:46<Husaini>Linux husdebian 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Thu Sep 16 19:35:51 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
15:46<Husaini>is the latest one ?
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15:51<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.36-rc6-686 (2.6.36~rc6-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-26); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-25); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-23~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-25lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2)
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15:54<Husaini>i use the latest one
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16:34<Ornedan>Some upgrade seems to have left eth0 under both NetworkManager control and getting ifup'd at startup via some other route. Which is a problem, since NetworkManager does not touch ifup's changes to things like resolv.conf if I happen to change networks. And I can't work around it by manually ifdowning, since then NetworkManager no longer recognizes the interface existing
16:34<Ornedan>What config file should I mess with to remove the non-NetworkManager configuration of that interface?
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16:45<jhutchins_lt>Ornedan: Which release are you on?
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16:49<Ornedan>jhutchins_lt: Mixed, mostly testing
16:50<jhutchins_lt>Ornedan: There is a known issue with NM in squeeze, not sure exactly what the problem is. Which front end?
16:50<Ornedan>It was broken originally about half a year ago, I think. But the workaround I mentioned worked back then, so it wasn't a big issue
16:50<Ornedan>KDE plasma
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16:51<jhutchins_lt>I'm running with a static setup and no network manager myself now, but standard advice is to remove the config from interfaces and just have a line for the card.
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16:52<Ornedan>Tried commenting out the "allow-hotplug eth0" line in /etc/network/interfaces, which stopped the non-NetworkManager ifup, but then NetworkManager stopped automatically managing the interface
16:52<Ornedan>So that's kinda non-solution
16:52<Ornedan>Did you mean some other kind of change?
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16:54<Ornedan>(This does work to the extent of not getting shat up conflicting network configs, but manually clicking the network up will get old fast on a laptop)
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17:18<jhutchins_lt>Ornedan: Still fighting with it?
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17:28<terang>That was an abrupt end.
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17:34<babilen>terang: It happens all the time -- don't worry about it
17:35<terang>babilen: I'm quite sad =)
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18:14<dpkg>< aios> eeyore-: funny how ubuntu has the biggest freenode channel, but its where i get the less answers ... everyone in there is just like me so its pointless
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18:14<retrospectacus>eheheh so true
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18:40<r0ger>where would errors with a hard drive output to?
18:40<r0ger>it's taking insane amounts of time to remove directories on one of the hard drives in one of my boxes
18:41<r0ger>i'm afraid it might be going bad
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18:42<terang>Sounds like, can you use smartcli to check?
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18:43<r0ger>i'm not familiar with smartcli
18:44<retrospectacus>r0ger: any SMART checking tool will do
18:44<terang>I dunno if you can support it either, but the disk utility may be helpful anyway. Badblocks && fdisk....
18:44<terang>Via google ^^
18:45<retrospectacus>you can also check dmesg|tail
18:45<r0ger>kk ty both
18:46<r0ger>i will look into those and see what i can dig up
18:49<jhutchins_lt>syslog or messages may have something, but usually drive seek errors and such get broadcast to any logged-in console.
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18:55<renanpantoja>My wireless network is WPA2-PSK and the router can not connect because of this, anyone know any tutorial that teaches you configure debian to access a wireless network WPA2-PSK?
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18:57<chealer>renanpantoja: you need to use wpasupplicant for WPA
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18:57<dpkg>wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian systems in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired (especially "Troubleshooting" regarding association to hidden SSIDs). Debian-Installer does not support WPA at this time; see also <nowpa>.
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18:59<renanpantoja>to using it, plus it does not support WPA2-PSK, or have it? You would have to show me an example of a conf WPA2-PSK?
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19:05<dwq>renanpantoja: I use wicd-curses for that, nice little cli-application.
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19:10<jhutchins_lt>renanpantoja: knetworkmanager works too.
19:11<jhutchins_lt>renanpantoja: What dpkg says is that the current installer doesn't work over wpa, so you can't use it for a network install.
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20:01<hi>any1 kno the command to
20:02<retrospectacus>that would be rm
20:03*streuner_ doesnt get it...
20:03<streuner_>command to install or what?
20:03<slurb>or rm -f
20:03<streuner_>thats not very helpful
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20:04<slurb>ti got it also, over streuner's head
20:04<tash>I guess is $ foo
20:04<streuner_>Dont guess, just know :-P
20:05<streuner_>so, hi, can you give us more details what kind of comman you want?
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20:07<Mannu>every 1
20:07<jeremyb>is there a doc somewhere on how to diagnose or report a kernel panic?
20:08<Mannu>M new user of linux BT4
20:08<jeremyb>it was in virtualbox btw
20:09<Mannu>yes :P
20:09<Mannu>how do u know that :P
20:09<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
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20:10<slurb>i have qq
20:10<slurb>chinese are nice people
20:10<qq->Mannu, ^^
20:10<Mannu>hey qq thanx
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22:08<d-b>morning can anyone close a bug i filed against a package that doesn't exist :) ?
22:08<d-b>or retag it ?
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22:14<qq->d-b, sent a mail to , saying that was a fake/wrong bug
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22:22<d-b>qq-: i could but...
22:22<d-b>i thought some one in here could just do it :)
22:24<qq->d-b, you most qualified for that
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22:30<d-b>qq-: yes :)
22:30<d-b>exactly why i asked here :)
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22:41<tash>OCTOBER 22 AND JUNE 28 is INTERnational caps lock day!!!
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23:08<scientes>CAPS LOCK
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23:11<d-b>nope ok
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23:16<tash>edbian how is ur browser doing?
23:16<edbian>tash, same old same old :(
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23:17<tash>edbian what?
23:17<qq->jpinx-eeepc, /nick eeejpinx ;)
23:18<terang>damn is slow :D
23:18<edbian>tash, It's still lousy.
23:19<edbian>I have been dealing with it for a long time though so I can deal for a bit longer
23:19<tash>edbian have you tried to install noscript?
23:19<edbian>good idea
23:19<tash>do it so
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23:46<gik>hi, ultra420
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