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---Logopened Fri Oct 22 00:00:11 2010
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00:18<heffay>can someone help me get my sound setup correctly? i think i might need to uninstall oss but i cant figure out how. i blacklisted the modules but they still load
00:19<jordanm>!alsa checklist
00:19<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>.
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00:21<heffay>im in the audio group. the channels are not muted. how do i stop arts or esound? oss unloaded and blacklisted but reload on reboot. speakers are on and working.
00:22<heffay>audio IS working but kmix is not seeing my hardware correctly. its displaying internal analog audio stereo intead of my nforce
00:22<heffay>as the device
00:22<heffay>this is a fresh install of squeeze with kde desktop and alsa installed
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00:50<ThePub>good morning
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00:52<Ajurna>I'm on dual boot with win7 now - had to upgrade it from vista. of course it has overwritten grub in mbr. i used grml to rewrite my old grub into the mbr ... now i have grub menue again, and can boot linux, but booting windows 7 fails ... does win7 need other options than vista ?
00:53<Ajurna>options are : savedefault makeactive chainloader+1
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00:56<Ajurna>partitions didn't change
00:56<jordanm>win7 uses a boot partition, that might be throwing you off
00:57<Ajurna>so what should I do =/
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00:58<Ajurna>i used setup(hd0,0) i think thats how it was before
00:58<Ajurna>root is hd0,1
00:58<jrabbit>Ajurna: so is it auto configuring?
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00:59<jordanm>Ajurna: if update-grub from within linux doesn't fix it, don't what to tell you
00:59<Ajurna>i just used the old menu.lst from when I had vista .. since i installed win7 in the partition of vista
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00:59<Ajurna>k I'll try that
00:59<jrabbit>Ajurna: oh. just let it find your partitons for you.
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00:59<Ajurna>oh snap
01:00<Ajurna>it does not find anything about windows !
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01:00<Ajurna>anyway. I will try and reboot and very probably be back to pester you with more requests for help
01:01<Ajurna>thanks so far
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01:01<jrabbit> might help him later
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01:20<Ajurna>I'm back ;(
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01:21<Ajurna>the error message when trying to boot windows 7 : filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7
01:22<franki^>< jrabbit> might help him later
01:22*franki^ is not here
01:23<jm_>Ajurna: which version of grub is this?
01:23<Ajurna>the old .9 something, so .. no grub2
01:26<jm_>using grub 2 with os-prober should do everything automatically for you, otherwise use rootnoverify instead of root with grub 1.x
01:27<Ajurna>yeah just read that, too gonna try noverify
01:27<jm_>and of course chainload, but I suppose you are already using that
01:28<Ajurna>title Windows Vista/Longhorn (loader)
01:28<Ajurna>rootnoverify (hd0,0)
01:28<Ajurna>chainloader +1
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01:28<Ajurna>those are my settings
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01:29<Ajurna>gonna try it, wish me luck
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01:44<Ajurna>well so .. the rootnoverify option got rid of the error, but still windows does not boot
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01:47<Ajurna>this is my windows partition , somehow it sounds wrong : " Partition num: 0, Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7 "
01:48<Ajurna>geometry of (hd0)
01:48<jm_>why would it be wrong?
01:50<Ajurna>unknown FS =/
01:50<Ajurna>ok so .. my windows partition is hd0,0 ... and my /boot is on hd0,1
01:51<Ajurna>what i did was :
01:51<Ajurna>root (hd0,1)
01:51<Ajurna>setup (hd0,0)
01:51<Ajurna>wrong ?
01:51<jm_>it's unknown because grub 1.x doesn't support ntfs ....
01:52<jm_>yes, that has fucked up your windows partition
01:52<jm_>see if you can still mount it in linux
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01:54<Ajurna>Unexpected clusters per mft record (-1).
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01:54<Ajurna>guess I fucked it up
01:54<Ajurna>but .. where should i have written to with setup()
01:55<Ajurna>just hd0 ?
01:55<jm_>and you should use grub-install
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01:55<jm_>or at least grub-install /dev/sda3 where sda3 is your *linux* partition
01:55<Ajurna>hmmh is there any way to salvage that windows partition
01:56<jm_>I think not, but that should not stop you from trying
01:56<Ajurna>the thing is .. I had to boot a live linux to restore .. and I wasn't sure if it would use the proper grub stuff and not it's own bootloader - if that makes sense
01:57<jm_>right, for such cases follow this guide:
01:57<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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01:58<Ajurna>maybe i can fixmbr that windows partition ? :D
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01:59<jm_>not this way at least - windows has some recovery mode on the CD, but I think it won't work once you do what you did
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02:21<heffay>i need some help setting up my audio on squeeze. the hardware is not being detected correctly
02:22<jm_>!which driver
02:22<dpkg>To work out what module you need to load for your PCI card, try pasting the output from "lspci -n" into . To determine the driver currently associated with an Ethernet interface, ask me about <which ethernet module>. To show the video driver used by your X server: grep Load.*mod.*driv /var/log/Xorg.0.log . See also <oot>, <nodriver>, <judd-hardware>.
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02:24<heffay>i have an nforce chipset
02:24<heffay>im running squeeze with a kde desktop
02:24<jm_>follow the steps above
02:24<heffay>audio works, but the hardware is not correctly detected
02:24<heffay>i have alsa installed
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02:25<heffay>ive read that oss conflicts with alsa?
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02:26<heffay>lsmod says snd-mixer-oss and snd-pcm-oss are loaded. i blacklisted them but they still load
02:26<jm_>why would you blacklist those?
02:26<heffay>cause they are oss?
02:26<heffay>isnt that the problem?
02:27<jm_>no they are not - they are alsa modules providing OSS compatibility
02:27<heffay>regardless, blacklisting them changed nothing
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02:28<heffay>ive never had this problem with debian before
02:28<heffay>after installing also everything would just work
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02:29<heffay>right now it says the audio device is "internal audio analog stereo"
02:30<heffay>but it should be my nvidia
02:30<jm_>put the contents of /proc/asound/cards on some pastebin
02:30<heffay>i even ran alsactrl init and rebooted
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02:31<jm_>it is nvidia
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02:32<heffay>i use kde desktop and kmix doesnt see the hardware
02:32<heffay>so i cant control it from kde
02:33<heffay> thats the problem
02:33<jm_>what does alsamixer do?
02:33<heffay>pulls up the alsamixer
02:33<jm_>and it works OK?
02:33<heffay>but, kmix should show me the same info
02:33<heffay>alsamixer works
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02:33<jm_>ok try checking KDE settings for sound then
02:34<Ajurna>just wanted to tell you : I magically repaired my windows partition, this time installed grub to hd0, and now its working :D
02:34<heffay>what am i looking for?
02:34<jm_>it has some stuff in KDE control center or somesuch, sound server etc.
02:34<heffay>it doesnt see the nvidia
02:34<heffay>it only sees "internal audio analog stereo"
02:34<heffay>it should see nvidia ck804 and the rest of the channels
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02:35<jm_>hmm I am affraid I never used KDE, perhaps also try #debian-kde or wait for someone else to help you here
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02:37<jm_>it's rather strange that alsa shows everythign fine but KDE is showing something else entirely, perhaps wrong driver type is selected somewhere
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02:51<EmleyMoor>I'm getting arpwatch mails reporting a flip flop involving my eth0 and eth1 interfaces - but eth0 has a fixed public address and eth1/br0 a 192.168 address assigned by my router. (Actually that's fixed too, but served by DHCP)
02:51<EmleyMoor>(br0 is eth1 + tap[0-6])
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03:29<Will09600>i have a problem with a 32bit app trying to run on my laptop which can only run in command line ...
03:30<terang>What problem is that?
03:30<Will09600>its says: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
03:31<jm_>!tell Will09600 -about search
03:31<Will09600>i've been searching for 14hours ...
03:31<Will09600>getlibs can't find the thing i need
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03:32<jm_>so focus on what dpkg said about apt-file
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03:39<classical>hey ppl i have error EDD error 8000 reading sector XXXXX
03:39<classical>i have netinstall of squeeze
03:39<classical>i tryed diff hdd
03:39<jm_>hopefully from a cd
03:42<classical>jm_, ok i will try diff one
03:43<jm_>classical: well first check that it's a CD and then make sure you verify the CD after burning it
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03:44<deavid>a Debian Sid with initramfs.conf MODULES=dep will be faster than with MODULES=most ? or this option only affects if the kernel can boot or not?
03:45<jm_>deavid: it's unlikely to be any faster
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03:49<EmleyMoor>Is there a good way to get wine 1.2 on squeeze?
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03:53<terang>What's the problem with installing it without a package manager?
03:53<EmleyMoor>None per se I guess
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03:54<terang>I wonder if it's in experimental
03:55<jm_>it isn't
03:55<terang>That answers that.
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03:57<terang> | I dunno, didn't really read the entire thread, but he packaged it up ghettoly. Maybe it'll help :)
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03:58<matteo>buon giorno!
03:58<hachi>using iptables on debian... for some reason my bridge traffic is subject to the 'nat' table, does anyone know why this is?
03:58<dpkg>matteo: VATTENE VIA!
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04:00<EmleyMoor>Are the 32-bit freetype dev bits available for amd64?
04:00*EmleyMoor is currently omitting that part
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04:49<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... wine 1.2 is even worse - can't even run firefox
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05:09<terang>I guess that puts that to rest :)
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05:21<orloff>помогите установить debian на asus 1005p, при установке (с usb) не находит сетевую, и через обычную установку и через интернет, сетевая atheros ar8132
05:22<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ or use English here.
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05:23<orloff>can't install debian on asus 1005p, atheros ar8132 not found in netinstall
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05:28<dpkg>Atheros Communications is a developer of semiconductors. Ask me about <ath5k>, <ath9k> or <ar9170> for stable wireless LAN chipset drivers; <ar5523>, <ath9k_htc> or <carl9170> for wireless drivers under development. The non-free <madwifi> driver was removed from Debian post-Lenny. Ask me about <atl1>, <atl2>, <atl1e> or <atl1c> for Ethernet adapter drivers.
05:28<jm_>but yeah it's usually tricky to use it during installation
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05:34<EmleyMoor>I have a joystick. Since squeeze, when connected, it controls the desktop. I don't like this - how do I restrict it to only working in apps?
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05:37<jm_>EmleyMoor: try manually specifying input devices to use in xorg.conf
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05:49<EmleyMoor>jm_: It seems to be a bit more simple - removing xserver-xorg-input-joystick and restarting X fixed it
05:50<jm_>EmleyMoor: ahh of course
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05:53<deavid>i'm trying to get 6 serial ports on a computer, and Linux only detects 4 (i tried the latest kernel); the manufacturer told us to manually create these devices pointing at the irq's of the serial ports, but i don't know how to do this (i think it's related with mknod) I have the IRQ numbers but i don't know how to create the devices in /dev/
05:58<jm_>deavid: try checking if reading Boca mini howto helps
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06:01<Woet>How do I drop to a shell during debian install?
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06:02<Woet>and how do I go back to the installer?
06:02<plm_>how can i disable the mail checks on login (globally)?
06:03<Woet>ah, got it
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06:04<jm_>plm_: pam module these days
06:04<plm_>/etc/pam.d/login ?
06:04<jm_>when logging via login yes
06:04<plm_>oh yeah, found it
06:05<jm_>in general: grep pam_mail /etc/pam.d/*
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06:05<plm_>yeah :) thanks
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06:06<jm_>no worries
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06:07<MrCPlusPlus>I signed my package using debsigs, put it in my repository, added the key to apt using apt-key, and tried to install using apt-get install.. Still, I got that the package was not authenticated.. What have I done wrong?
06:07<ansgar>MrCPlusPlus: The repository (that is the Release) file needs to be signed.
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06:11<MrCPlusPlus>ansgar: how? is there a simple command or could you point me to a site with simple instructions? I'm having a hard time finding good (short) instructions using google..
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06:15<MrCPlusPlus>using reprepro by the way..
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06:15<deavid>no idea at all of which major and minor number should i use for mknod; i'll ask for more advice to the provider; i guess they should know
06:15<ansgar>MrCPlusPlus: Then it is easy. Look into the SignWith option.
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06:18<jm_>deavid: i suspect it's your driver that doesn't recognize them - one shouldn't need to mknod manually
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06:22<MrCPlusPlus>ansgar: thanks, just what I needed :)
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06:25<deavid>jm_: i know there is no driver... and there isn't any driver fot thet on the net; seems something made ad-hoc for this computer
06:26<jm_>deavid: how do you plan on using it without a driver?
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06:29<deavid>jm_: no idea at all! my provider (toshiba) says it works on linux, and there are some people using those ports with Linux. I have a driver for the touchscreen (which is connected to the ttyS5 that i don't have) but toshiba hasn't provided any driver for those serial ports and they said to a partner that we have to create the device manually taking in account which IRQ are using these serial ports; and i don't know if that makes sense...
06:29<deavid>jm_: probably they forgot to send us the drivers for those serial ports...
06:30<jm_>deavid: it's probably a standard serial port card, see what is detected when you load that
06:30<deavid>you mean lspci ?
06:30<jm_>no, load the driver and then check dmesg, or if it's already loaded check /var/log/dmesg
06:31<deavid>i don't have any driver for those serial ports
06:31<jm_>yeah try loading the regular driver ;)
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06:32<deavid>hmmm i guess is already loaded because there are 4 serial ports detected and working
06:33<deavid>yep, something interesting with "dmesg | grep -C5 serial"
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06:37<jm_>deavid: yeah, so try to see how to tell this driver where the other ports are
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06:38<deavid>jm_: ok, no idea where is the documentation; but i'll google for it;
06:39<jm_>deavid: try modinfo serial8250
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06:56<MrCPlusPlus>jm_: just out of curiosity, how old are you? I've seen you in this channel for years - always helping.. you should change nick to the wizard or something :-)
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06:57<willemb>Hi. Is it possible to train monit to reinstall sshd if the md5sum changes?
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08:01<EmleyMoor>In OpenOffice Calc, is there a way to print a spreadsheet with its grid lines on?
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08:05<Duber>EmleyMoor probably yes but maybe here isn't the best place to find the answer
08:05<EmleyMoor>Found a way - thanks anyway
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08:06<Duber>np D:
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08:09<EmleyMoor>Trying to make myself a notes chart for a bus journey tomorrow - don't really want to have to cart the laptop with me
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08:17<teleyinex>Hi everyone
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08:50<Guest240>I tried current debian-testing-ia64-netinst.iso and debian-testing-ia64-CD-1.iso. Both don't boot (tried vmware + physical cd). No grub menu. Is this already known?
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08:51<jm_>and you actually have ia64 hardware?
08:51<supplicant>Guest240: and you're actually on ia64? Like, you have an Itanium processor?
08:52<plm_>probably mean amd64 :)
08:52<jm_>want yes
08:52<plm_>mm, ye
08:52<plm_>i always thought that x86-64 is less confusing
08:53<plm_>than calling it amd64
08:53<tash>I guess he thought the "ia" stand 4 "intel arch"
08:53<Guest240>plm_: F***, yes. That's it. amd64 would boot on x86 (at least grub). but ia64 probably not... Thanks
08:54<babilen>!why amd64
08:54<dpkg>The Debian architecture that runs on 64-bit processors from AMD and Intel is called "amd64" because the architecture was first developed by AMD. AMD64 is variously known as x86-64, x64, IA-32e, EM64T, EMT64 and Intel 64 (most of which are the Intel marketing people changing their mind). See
08:54<babilen>Guest240: ^^^^ Reasoning behind the name
08:54<jm_>that would probably not happen if intel was more open/less arrogant in some situations
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09:15<jacks_lt>hmm fusermount: user has no write access to mountpoint
09:16<supplicant>jacks_lt: what kind of media?
09:16<jacks_lt>I like to automount via network, using sshfs
09:16<jacks_lt>Nas server
09:16<supplicant>yeah, no experience there
09:16<jacks_lt>was following this:
09:16<jacks_lt>on debian testing
09:17<jacks_lt>edited my fstab and fuse.conf
09:19<jacks_lt>hmm bug?
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09:42<dotCOMmie>That dpkg factoid should mention ia64.
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09:57<ricki>Who can help me?
09:57<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
09:57<ricki>I´ve got a problem with emule
09:58<ricki>do you know how can I use it?
09:58<ricki>I don understand it couse it´s very dificult for me
09:59<ricki>can you say me samcing ebaut this?
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10:00<ricki>what is taht?
10:00<ricki>mmuzer away?
10:00<tash>there is no emule in debian
10:01<bighornram>has gthumb been removed from squeeze gnome desktop environment?
10:01<tash>,versions gthumb
10:01<judd>Package gthumb on i386 -- etch: 3:2.8.0-1; lenny: 3:2.10.8-1+lenny2; sid: 3:2.11.5-3; squeeze: 3:2.11.5-3; experimental: 3:2.12.0-1
10:02<ricki>so I´ll go to another web
10:02<ricki>cos here you don´t kno say me the anwser
10:03<bighornram>a couple upgrades ago it disappeared from my system. i try to install and get conflict gnome-desktop-environment conflicts with gstreamer0.10-gnomevfs and resolution in aptitude wants to remove gnome and gnome-desktop-environment. what can i do?
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10:04<babilen>,conflicts gnome-desktop-environment
10:04<judd>Package gnome-desktop-environment -- conflicts: None.
10:05<babilen>,conflicts gnome-desktop-environment --release squeeze
10:05<judd>Package gnome-desktop-environment -- conflicts: gstreamer0.10-gnomevfs.
10:06<babilen>bighornram: gthumb only recommends -gnomevfs -- you should be able to install it. You might have to pass the "--without-recommends" option to aptitude
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10:08<bighornram>babilen: thanks that works
10:08<babilen>bighornram: You are welcome
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10:17<firstnevyn>in a copyright notice is it ok to have...
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10:17<firstnevyn>Copyright author...
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10:18<firstnevyn>all rights reserved...
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10:18<firstnevyn>this file is licence under the gpl?
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10:21<babilen>firstnevyn: See for (some) tips on how to use the GPL
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10:29<firstnevyn>babilen: I found that on my own. but it didn't answer my question.
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10:30<babilen>firstnevyn: Why not? You include a file named COPYING in the tarball that holds the GPL and fill in the gaps. That should be enough as a copyright notice AFAIR but IANAL
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10:32<rpetre>babilen: i think the packaging faq (or was some document relatd to the -mentors mailing list?) details this stuff
10:33<themill>firstnevyn: I get the impression that we're answering a slightly different question to the one you're asking. Can you have another go at asking?
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10:34<babilen>rpetre: That would be related to Debian packaging -- it might be that firstnevyn is actually asking about that and that I misunderstood that. :-\
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10:35<babilen>… misunderstood the question that is :)
10:35<firstnevyn>themill: I'm reading through a piece of code. and it says it's gpl.
10:35<firstnevyn>but it also says "all rights reserved"
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10:35<firstnevyn>this would seem ambiguous to me. and problematic.
10:35<EmleyMoor>firstnevyn: Are those part of the same copyright notice?
10:35<firstnevyn>EmleyMoor: yes.
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10:36<babilen>firstnevyn: Could you paste the copyright notice somewhere (is that the COPYING file or just some comment in a source code file?)
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10:36<firstnevyn>babilen: it's in the comment in each source file.
10:37<firstnevyn>COPYING has the full text of the GPL
10:37<themill>firstnevyn: my understanding is that it's (a) old fashioned and no longer required to say that (b) best avoided but (c) NOT inconsistent with the GPL in a legal sense (one is about copyright, the other about licencing), but it is confusing at best.
10:38<rpetre>firstnevyn: it might be a badly worded template by the author(s), you should contact them and point it out
10:38<babilen>firstnevyn: The GPL howto states very clearly which text should be included in every file. I am not sure if it is a problem if you use a different text. I would ask in #gnu over at freenode -- or contact the upstream author to clarify his licensing
10:39<babilen>firstnevyn: Apart from that I think it is pretty save to assume that the software is indeed GPL *licensed*
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10:39<babilen>but ... WEANAL :)
10:40<babilen>firstnevyn: Are you planning to package it for Debian?
10:40<firstnevyn>rpetre: it's a really important project ;) I don't want to offend.
10:40<rpetre>firstnevyn: if you have to ask, it's a bug
10:40<babilen>firstnevyn: ^^^^^
10:40<rpetre>babilen: :)
10:41<firstnevyn>is the boilerplate with name changed.
10:41<themill>firstnevyn: note that this is LGPL not GPL, but that doesn't really change anything in this discussion.
10:41<firstnevyn>the question is to my mind. is the authors intent all rights reserved but they don't really understand this gpl thingy (might be arguable)
10:41<firstnevyn>they're just doing the in thing ;)
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10:42<firstnevyn>themill: my understanding was all rights reserved is a licencing statement.
10:42<firstnevyn>as in. all the rights I have under copyright I reserve
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10:44<rpetre>imo, licenses should be worded in such a way that they're obvious, otherwise, they fail at their main purpose, hence, it's a bug
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10:45<themill>firstnevyn: it's a phrase out of copyright law (not contract law) and is meaningless in current copyright law anyway, since the adoption of the Berne Convention.
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10:46<babilen>firstnevyn: Yay WP :) --
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10:48<babilen>firstnevyn: But wait a minute -- You say that the COPYING file contains a copy of the GPL (as opposed to LGPL) -- that might also be a problem as the comment refers to the LGPL and you have to ship at least one copy of the full license in th tarball
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10:50<babilen>Apart from all that -- I think #gnu is a much better place to discuss this as they know their licenses and it does not look as if you want to package the software for Debian
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10:51<rpetre>i still claim that you should point it out to upstream
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10:51<babilen>even the time we spend on that justifies a (wishlist?) bug :)
10:52<firstnevyn>01:43 < themill> firstnevyn: it's a phrase out of copyright law (not contract law) and is meaningless in current copyright law anyway, since the adoption of the Berne Convention.
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10:52<babilen>firstnevyn: Yeah, see the WP article for details (and references) -- I would contact upstream and ask them to remove that sentence
10:53<firstnevyn>babilen: I was wrong COPYING contains the full text of the LGPL
10:53<rpetre>think of the next poor soul that loses another half an hour before finding the WP page :)
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10:54<firstnevyn>so wp confirms my understanding that the statements are in conflict
10:54<firstnevyn>because you have "all rights reserved" followed by an explicit rights grant (LGPL)
10:55<babilen>Which project are we talking about anyway?
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10:59<firstnevyn>in a fit of hillarious I noticed this when checking up on someone refering to it as a copyright free audio codec (this is wrong and imo disrespectful of the work invested)
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11:02<Cornelius>hey, i got problems setting up x server on my freshly installed debian stystem?
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11:03<Cornelius>is there some who could help me...?
11:03<babilen>Cornelius: Yeah, a lot of people. Please provide more information about the "problem" you run into.
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11:03<Cornelius>thanks heaps!!
11:04<Cornelius>i just installed the newest debian + kde release
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11:04<Cornelius>everything went smooth, until the first system start
11:04<Cornelius>when starting x server it says Screen found, but none have usable configuration
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11:05<Cornelius>so far i figured out i probably have to set the configurations for the screen manually
11:05<Cornelius>or use a tool like dexconf (?)
11:06<Cornelius>but i don't know how to do that
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11:06<MrCPlusPlus>bye guys
11:06<Cornelius>the computer is an older fujitsu laptop
11:06<babilen>You might want to make sure that you are using the correct driver for your graphic card. What do you have? (If unsure run "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" on a console)
11:06<babilen>Cornelius: Which version of Debian did you install?
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11:07<Cornelius>Intel Corporation 82830 CGC Chipset graphics controller
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11:08<babilen>Cornelius: Please pass the "-nn" option as well. :)
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11:08<Cornelius>oh sorry :)
11:09<Cornelius>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]:Intel Corporation 82830 CGC [Chipset graphics controller] [8ß86:3577] (rev 04)
11:09<Cornelius>and the debian version is 5.0.6
11:10<babilen>Cornelius: And the command (on lenny?) for reconfiguring your X server is "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
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11:10<Cornelius>so i'll just try that?
11:10<Cornelius>ah ok, i see something's happening... :)
11:12<Cornelius>thanks a lot already!
11:12<Cornelius>i'll see what i can do now
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11:13<babilen>Cornelius: Make sure you have xserver-xorg-video-intel installed and check if you xorg.conf uses "intel" as driver.
11:14<Cornelius>i had a look at xorg.conf
11:14<Cornelius>and it looked pretty emtpy
11:14<Cornelius>there were no specific information about drivers or anything
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11:15<Cornelius>just things like Standard Monitor and stuff like that
11:15<Cornelius>ok, i'll just run through the reconfiguring process of x server
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11:15<cmot>Hmmm. When I have lots of very shortlived connections: how do I find which process creates them?
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11:16<cmot>netstat -tnp only shows TIME_WAIT
11:16<cmot>iptables -j LOG only allows --log-uid, so I know it runs as root
11:16<cmot>which is not helpful on this busy system :-(
11:16<petemc>netstat with the -p option ran as root should show the processes
11:16<Cornelius>babilen: i finished reconfiguration still the same error when trying startx
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11:17<cmot>petemc: as I'm saying: I only see TIME_WAIT, and the process is not available anymore.
11:17<cmot>petemc: only for ESTABLISHED
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11:17<Cornelius>babilen: how do I check for xserver-xorg-video-intel being installed...?
11:17<cmot>and since it's ldap connections, and pretty much every service uses ldap, I don't know if the shortlived connections are created by the same services that have currently open connections ...
11:19<Cornelius>in the xorg.conf file the intel driver is not mentioned
11:19<babilen>Cornelius: Just run "aptitude show xserver-xorg-video-intel" -- You should also check for errors (EE) and warnings (WW) in /var/log/Xorg.0.log -- You could also paste the log somewhere so we can take a look at it.
11:20<Cornelius>package could not be found
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11:20<cmot>oh well. topic for next week.
11:21<cmot>have a nice weekend everybody
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11:22<Cornelius>i'll try to get the log file...
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11:23<babilen>Cornelius: Huh? Could you paste the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-video-intel" to please?
11:23<Cornelius>ok hang on
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11:24<babilen>Cornelius: A tool like pastebinit might come in handy if you don't know how to copy the output to a pastebin
11:24<Cornelius>is it possible to access files situated on my linux partition from my windows partition?
11:25<babilen>Cornelius: No idea -- Haven't touched windows in years. I guess that you need to install something in order to mount other filesystems than NTFS/FAT
11:25<Cornelius>ok, i'll see what I can do
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11:27<babilen>!tell Cornelius -about pastebinit
11:28<Cornelius>thanks :)
11:29<Cornelius>ok i just posted restults of apt-cache policy
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11:31<babilen>Cornelius: Could you also tell me the link?
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11:33<Cornelius>and results of the second command:
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11:34<babilen>Cornelius: Ah, I see the problem. Lets start with setting up some repositories for you :)
11:34<babilen>!tell Cornelius about sources.list
11:35<Cornelius>ok, i am thrilled :)
11:35<Cornelius>do you still need the x log file?
11:35<babilen>Cornelius: Where are you living? There are a bunch of Debian mirrors around the globe and you might find a better one on
11:36<Cornelius>i live in germany
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11:36<Ak4hck>Hello Good Moorning
11:36<Cornelius>mmh do i get that right that i'll first need to set up an internet connection on the laptop, right?
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11:37<babilen>Cornelius: Correct
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11:38<babilen>Cornelius: Is that problematic?
11:38<Cornelius>no not really
11:38<Cornelius>sorry i am quite new to linux
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11:39<Cornelius>so maybe you can help me doing that by command line
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11:41<babilen>Cornelius: Sure. How do you connect to the internet and what kind of machine are we speaking about?
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11:43<Cornelius>i just plugged the cable in
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11:43<babilen>Ah, cable. Wonderful :)
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11:43<babilen>Try "ifup eth0" (as root)
11:43<Cornelius>how do i get the system to retrieve a ip adresse via dhcp?
11:44<Cornelius>ignoring unknown interface
11:44<Cornelius>ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0
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11:44<babilen>And make sure that /etc/network/interfaces contains the line "iface eth0 inet dhcp" (and no other "iface eth0" line) if that does not work
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11:45<babilen>Cornelius: Is this a laptop or desktop?
11:46<babilen>Hmm, I would suggest you use wicd eventually to manage your network connection, but that is not really needed right now.
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11:48<babilen>Cornelius: Give me a second (brew some tea) -- If you want to help: Give me the PCIID of "lspci -nn|grep -i ether" (the numbers/letters in [....] in the end
11:48<jespada>Cornelius, edit the /etc/network/interfaces and comment the line
11:48<Cornelius>ah i see, yeah well in any case it doesn't have an integrated wireless lan adapter
11:48<jespada># The primary network interface
11:48<jespada>#allow-hotplug eth0
11:48<jespada>#iface eth0 inet dhcp
11:49<jespada>that way you can manage the network with networkmanager ui client
11:49<babilen>Cornelius: Also try: "ifconfig -a" (see if you interface is listed) and if it is "ifconfig eth0 up" "dhclient eth0"
11:49<Cornelius>ah ok, ill insert that
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11:49<babilen>Cornelius: I'll be back in a second
11:50<Cornelius>yes thanks a lot!!
11:51<Cornelius>ok so lspci -nn|grep -i ether results in [10ec:8139]
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11:52<babilen>,pciid 10ec:8139
11:52<judd>[10ec:8139] is 'RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel modules '8139too', '8139cp' in lenny. See also
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11:52<babilen>should work
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11:53<Cornelius>wow i'm impressed
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11:54<babilen>Cornelius: Is you interface listed if you do ifconfig -a ?
11:54<Cornelius>yeah it is
11:54<babilen>What does "ifconfig eth0 up" give you?
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11:55<babilen>Does "dhclient eth0" work after that?
11:55<Cornelius>i already did dhclient
11:55<BarackO>party people! is ACPID still required for Thinkpads functions to work? (e.g. interfaceing screen brightness controls and volume buttons etc.)
11:55<Cornelius>yes it does
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11:55<babilen>Cornelius: And you got an address?
11:55<Cornelius>ping works as well
11:56<Cornelius>i'm in!
11:56<babilen>Wonderful -- Note that this is just a temporary solution. But that is something we can postpone until later. If you uncomment the "iface eth0 inet dhcp" line in /etc/network/interfaces you can manager the interface with "ifup eth0" and "ifdown eth0"
11:56<Cornelius>ah ok
11:57<Cornelius>so ifup avticates it and ifdown shuts it down i suppose?
11:57<babilen>You might want to use something like network-manager or wicd later on, but that is up to your taste
11:57<babilen>Cornelius: exactly
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11:57<Cornelius>perfect, thanks heaps!
11:57<Cornelius>yeah i'll hope i'll somehow get my wifi card running later on
11:58<babilen>Cornelius: Ah, you have one?
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11:58<Cornelius>yes but i thought cable would be easier for now
11:58<babilen>it is
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11:59<Ak4hck>how secure is SSH on debian?
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11:59<babilen>Ak4hck: Very secure (you might want to tweak it to your needs though -- see the Securing Debian Manual for details)
12:00<Ak4hck>thanks u babilen
12:01<Ak4hck>any vulnerabilities to risk of break my servers through ssh
12:01<babilen>Cornelius: Anyway -- edit /etc/apt/sources.list and make it look like: (at least make sure those two lines are present) -- You can safely comment/remove the lines that refer to the DVD
12:01<Cornelius>ok thanks
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12:02<babilen>Ak4hck: A lot of production systems provide SSH logins to their users -- I doubt that you really run into problems. You might want to take a look at fail2ban and SNORT ... But just read the Securing Debian Manual... it discusses all that
12:03<Ak4hck>thanks u i download it
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12:04<Cornelius>ok done!
12:04<babilen>Cornelius: Do you know how to edit? (nano -w for example) -- After you've done that run "aptitude update" (fetch current package lists from the servers and activate the just added repositories)
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12:04<Cornelius>ok! done!
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12:05<Cornelius>21972 new packages...
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12:06<babilen>great, you could run "aptitude full-upgrade" to upgrade all installed packages to the latest version now followed by "aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-intel" to (finally) install the drivers for your intel grpahic card
12:06<Cornelius>oki hang on
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12:07<Cornelius>ok that worked
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12:08<jhutchins_lt>babilen: Isn't it usually best to do a safe upgrade first?
12:08<Cornelius>could it be, that when i first entered aptitude full upgrade it already updated the graphic card driver
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12:09<Cornelius>when i entered install xserver-.... second it said there are no ne packages to be installed
12:10<Cornelius>ah i just saw it didn't upgrade anything either when i did full-upgrade
12:10<babilen>jhutchins_lt: The difference is that "safe-upgrade" will not allow removals of packages ...
12:11<babilen>Cornelius: Oh, I guess it is installed already -- What is the output of "aptitude show xserver-xorg-video-intel" ? Is it installed?
12:12<Cornelius>It is installed
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12:13<babilen>Ah well -- Could you paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log after you've done a "/etc/init.d/gdm restart" and verified that the X server is indeed not working?
12:13<babilen>(pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log)
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12:14<Cornelius>mmh gdm doesn't exist
12:14<babilen>kdm? xdm? Did you install a login manager yet? KDE? Gnome?
12:14<Cornelius>it should be kdm
12:14<babilen>restart that then :)
12:14<Cornelius>ok restarting
12:14<Cornelius>now startx?
12:15<Cornelius>same error as before
12:15<babilen>Ok, paste the Xorg log
12:15<babilen>and your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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12:17<Cornelius>ok so to install i pastebinit i do aptitude install pastebinit, right?
12:17<Cornelius>ah no+
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12:18<Ak4hck>SSH/Debian, la protection est assuree
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12:19<Ak4hck>peut on utilise un LDAP pour la gestion des utilisateurs authorises?
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12:20<babilen>Cornelius: You could also take a look at /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-video-intel/README.gz and edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf -- change the "Device" section in there to include the 'Driver "intel"' line in that section
12:20<babilen>Ak4hck: English please or :
12:20<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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12:21<Cornelius>mmh "pastebinit /etc/log/Xorg.0.log" gives Unable to read from /etc/log/....
12:21<Ak4hck>it is possible to use LDAP for manage users SSH authorized?
12:21<babilen>Cornelius: it is /var/log/Xorg.0.log not /etc/log :)
12:22<Cornelius>sorry :(
12:22<babilen>Ak4hck: Yes, plenty of tutorials on the interwebs
12:23<Cornelius>ok so its
12:23<babilen>Cornelius: no problem
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12:23<Ak4hck>okay thanks
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12:24<Cornelius>ok i'll have look at the readme
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12:25<Cornelius>but looking at the log i think it actually uses the right driver, or do i get that wrong?
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12:26<Ak4hck>I found plenty Thanks u I'll try to configure it and come back if any problems? am Welcome?
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12:27<Cornelius>ah ok now is see what you mean babilen
12:28<Cornelius>ill try putting the section in the conf file
12:28<Ak4hck>one stupid question!! how to make my IRC no root user
12:28<babilen>Cornelius: yes, it uses the correct driver. I am not sure what causes the problem right now.
12:28<babilen>Ak4hck: What do you mean?
12:28<Ak4hck>when i launch Xchat it say it stupid to run it root
12:29<Ak4hck>how to change it to any no privilige user?
12:29<Torsten_W>start it asa user
12:30<jhutchins_lt>Ak4hck: Generally bad form to run any GUI as root.
12:30<jhutchins_lt>Ak4hck: You should create an ordinary user and use that account, then either use the GUI sudo utilities or a shell with su -
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12:31<Ak4hck>okay thanks u
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12:32<Ak4hck>very thanks u All
12:33<Cornelius>mmh putting the Changing the Device section in the conf didn't work either
12:33<Cornelius>i mean changing the device section in the xorg.conf didn't work either
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12:34<babilen>Cornelius: Yeah, the driver is already (correctly) selected. There seems to be another problem with your chipset and I am (yet) unsure what causes the problem.
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12:36<jhutchins_lt>Cornelius: Were you originally running without an xorg.conf?
12:37<Cornelius>no already had an xorg.conf before
12:37<Cornelius>but i didn't edit it or anything
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12:38<Cornelius>it was just the way it was right after installation
12:38<Cornelius>is that what you mean?
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12:39<jhutchins_lt>It answers the question. Have you tried moving/renaming xorg.conf and letting xorg auto-detect?
12:39<jhutchins_lt>What you have is an apparent mis-match between the capabilities of the chipset and the capabilities of the monitor.
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12:40<jhutchins_lt>There have been known bugs with the 82830 chipset in recent versions.
12:40<Cornelius>no i havn't tried that, i'll try it now
12:40<babilen>jhutchins_lt: We haven't changed the config (yet) there are a bunch of bug reports in Debian and upstream that seem to be related ... (e.g. but all of them have been closed.
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12:41<jhutchins_lt>Is 82830 a GPU or is it a host bridge?
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12:43<Cornelius>so after renaming the file
12:44<Cornelius>i just run startx?
12:44<babilen>Cornelius: or /etc/init.d/kdm restart (that restarts X and the login manager)
12:44<Cornelius>oh yeah i own an lifebook S6010 as well
12:44<jhutchins_lt>Cornelius: What is this chipset on?
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12:45<Cornelius>mmh same error
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12:46<Cornelius>jhutchins_lt: sorry, but i don't understand: what do you mean by What is this chipset on? what motherboard, or what computer?
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12:46<babilen>Cornelius: Hmm, I guess you are running into exactly these bugs
12:47<jhutchins_lt>Looks like turning off kms and allowing xorg to autodetect may work.
12:47<jhutchins_lt>Cornelius: I'm assuming it's a laptop, asking which make and model.
12:47<Cornelius>ah yes it's a laptop
12:47<babilen>jhutchins_lt: See above
12:47<Cornelius>Fujitsu Lifebook S6010
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12:47<babilen>jhutchins_lt: Where did you find the information on kms+autodetection?
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12:50<babilen>Might be worth a try! I'm currently reading the bug report upstream
12:50<babilen>Cornelius: Sorry, this seems to be a particularly nasty chipset you have there :-)
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12:52<babilen>jhutchins_lt: Note however that Cornelius' chipset is i830 and not i915
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12:53*babilen is wondering if upgrading to a newer version might be also worth a try
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12:54<Cornelius>mmh what is it he is saying about kernel mode setting..?
12:54<Cornelius>that seems to help..?
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12:55<jhutchins_lt>Cornelius: Trying to verify how to switch it off in lenny, I'm finding instructions that apply to squeeze.
12:55<babilen>jhutchins_lt: KMS is not enabled in Lenny's version AFAICT
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12:56<jhutchins_lt>Cornelius: I can't seem to find the actual GUI chipset in the scrollbuffer, could you post it again?
12:56<babilen>It was enabled in 2:2.9.1-2 and Lenny comes with 2.3.2-2
12:56<Cornelius>ok hang on
12:56<jhutchins_lt>babilen: I believe it depends on the chipset - some are detected and have it enabled.
12:57<Cornelius>did you mean this one: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]:Intel Corporation 82830 CGC [Chipset graphics controller] [8ß86:3577] (rev 04)
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12:57<dpkg>[KMS] Kernel Mode Setting, where the initialization of graphical modes is performed by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter.
12:57<babilen>Cornelius did you mean this one: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]:Intel Corporation 82830 CGC [Chipset graphics controller] [8ß86:3577] (rev 04)
12:57<jhutchins_lt>Cornelius: Yes, that one.
12:58<babilen>yeah :-\
12:58<babilen>Cornelius: Could you give us the PCIID of "lspci -nn|grep -u vga" again (it should *not* contain a ß)
12:58<babilen>jhutchins_lt: Ja, ganz grosser :)
12:59<jhutchins_lt>babilen: what was the i810/915 comment regarding?
12:59<Cornelius>uh i'm sorry
12:59<Cornelius>hang on
12:59<babilen>jhutchins_lt: Disregard that -- I thought that the blog post discusses only i915 chipsets
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12:59<jhutchins_lt>Cornelius: what kernel are you running?
12:59<Cornelius>how to find out..?
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13:00<babilen>Cornelius: "uname -r"
13:00<jhutchins_lt>babilen: The 82830 used to run on i810, but it should run on intel now.
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13:00<Cornelius>it's 2.6.26-2-686
13:01<jhutchins_lt>So. kms should not be an issue.
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13:01<Cornelius>sorry but lspci -nn|grep -u vga doesn't give me any result ??
13:01<babilen>grep -i vga (sorry - typo)
13:01<qq->lspci -nn|grep -u VGA
13:01<jhutchins_lt>Cornelius: I would recommend moving/renaming xorg.conf and starting X. If that doesn't work, boot with the vga=normal parameter and the xorg.conf still not there.
13:02<jhutchins_lt>At the very least, you should get new errors in xorg.0.log
13:02<Cornelius>ah! so the PCIID is [8086:3577]
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13:03<babilen> -- the bug has not (yet) been resolved. I wonder if we want to escalate that do #debian-x org #xorg?
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13:04<Cornelius>ok i'll try renaming it
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13:05<Cornelius>renaming and starting x again results in the same errors (at least on the screen)
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13:06<Cornelius>jhutchins_lt: this is the log after renaming the conf file:
13:07<babilen>still the same error
13:07<Cornelius>how do i reboot with vga=normal parameter...?
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13:08<Cornelius>babilen: do you think upgrading to a newer version could work?
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13:09<babilen>Cornelius: I have not yet convinced myself of that. And given that it is a fairly intrusive action it is not really something one just "tries"
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13:10<jhutchins_lt>Cornelius: What you might do is create a partition and install squeeze there as a test, I don't recommend doing a live upgrade.
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13:11<jhutchins_lt>Cornelius: There has been considerable work done on the intel driver, which was definitely failing on i810 devices for many months.
13:11<jhutchins_lt>Cornelius: However, the current squeeze driver needs the whole new xorg tree, so you need to install squeeze to test it.
13:12<jhutchins_lt>babilen: Can you walk him through vga=normal?
13:12<babilen> ← tagged "wontfix"
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13:12<Cornelius>babilen: i don't really care about doing a reinstall, so you mean if i install the testing release it might work..?
13:13<babilen>Cornelius: It *might* work, but I have not yet found something that says "fixed in version > XXX" where XXX is a version that is greater than the one you are using now
13:14<babilen>Cornelius: But you might want to upgrade to squeeze (the next release) anyway (it will be released soonish), so it is basically up to you
13:14<jhutchins_lt>The only other avenue I can see is to try to force the internal monitor in xorg.conf as the last errror message regards no monitor connected to the vga port. That or try an external monitor just for giggles.
13:14<babilen>I'll be back in a second
13:15<babilen>jhutchins_lt: An external display should work (look at the bug report)
13:15<Cornelius>i think i'll try to upgrade
13:16<jhutchins_lt>Hm, that bugreport seems to indicate that's a problem.
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13:16<Cornelius>can i do a live update or is more recommendable to dl the iso and reinstall..=
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13:17<jhutchins_lt>Since the problem seems to be that xorg can't understand the output from the chipset that is supposed to supply screen resolution unless(?) an external monitor is connected(?), it would seem like manually hacking an xorg.conf with the correct modelines for the display _should_ work, but that's a somewhat difficult process unless you can find someone who already has one.
13:18<novice>hi, can smbd help me to connect to Internet in "Lenny"?
13:18<jhutchins_lt>Cornelius: Since you have no particular attachment to this particular install, edit your sources.list, substitute squeeze for lenny, aptitude update && aptitude upgrade then aptitude full-upgrade.
13:19<retrospectacus>novice: probably. Can you explain your problem in detail?
13:19<Cornelius>jhutchins_lt: ok!
13:19<babilen>jhutchins_lt: kernel and udev problem!!
13:19<retrospectacus>!squeeze udev
13:19<dpkg>As of <udev> version 150 (i.e. squeeze), Linux kernel 2.6.27 or later is required for correct operation. As of udev 163, you should be able to accept this warning message and complete the dist-upgrade to squeeze. Ensure that you have the current squeeze kernel installed (aptitude versions '~nlinux-image~i') prior to rebooting. See also <squeeze udev fix>, <squeeze kernel>, <kernel abi>,
13:20<babilen>jhutchins_lt, Cornelius: I'm out for a smoke ...
13:20<jhutchins_lt>babilen: Easily fixed by following on-screen instructions...
13:20<babilen>jhutchins_lt: Right :)
13:20<jhutchins_lt>Yeah, I gotta go get and install truck parts, I'll try to drop in.
13:20<babilen>have fun -- i'll be back in a second
13:20<Cornelius>ok :) thanks heaps guys
13:20<Cornelius>you rock!
13:20<novice>ok, after installation distro I have installed pptp and network-manager - but nothig happened. I have VPN connection.
13:22<babilen>Cornelius: Ok, give me a second. I'll ask upstream about your problem
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13:23<Cornelius>babilen: ok thanks a lot, one question: where do i have to substitute lenny by squeeze in the sources.list?
13:23<retrospectacus>novice: don't know anything about vpn... sorry. Others here might
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13:24<jacks_lt>how do I autostart apps in Xmonad, debian?
13:24<novice>ok, thanks
13:24<jacks_lt>debian doesn't use .xsession right
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13:24<jacks_lt>kdm > xmonad
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13:30<babilen>Cornelius: You would edit /etc/apt/sources.list and replace "lenny" with "squeeze" in there
13:31<Cornelius>babilen: all lines containing lenny are commented..?
13:31<Cornelius>babilen: or should I replace stable by testing or something like that?
13:33<Cornelius>i guess it musst be the line containing lenny/updates main, right?
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13:36<jhutchins_lt>Cornelius: It's better to use the release name rather than stable or testing, so you want to have a line for each server which contains "squeeze"
13:37<jhutchins_lt>Cornelius: No DVD lines.
13:37<babilen>Cornelius: Just use my paste :)
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13:39<Cornelius>babilen: ok and then aptitude update, aptitude upgrade and aptitude full-upgrade
13:40<qq->no ..
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13:40<qq->dpkg, lenny->squeeze
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13:42<babilen>dpkg: ping
13:42<dpkg>Yes, babilen, you are online.
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13:43<babilen>dpkg: lenny->squeeze
13:43<dpkg>In /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines volatile, backports, then change lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,` && apt-get dist-upgrade". Make sure you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed prior to rebooting check: aptitude versions '~nlinux-image~i'. See also <testing> <testing security> <squeeze release notes>.
13:43<Cornelius>babilen: i'll go afk for a while, i'll try upgrading to squeeze and see if it works catch you later maybe but anyway thanks A LOT for everyhting
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13:44<babilen>Cornelius: I have still not received confirmation from upstream that Gilles patch is included in a release. (See you might actually take this problem to either #xorg (on freenode) or #debian-x (here on OFTC) ..
13:44<babilen>Cornelius: Don't forget to mention the bug
13:44<babilen>Cornelius: It is a pity that you run into this problem though. Good luck!
13:45<Cornelius>babilen: ok, i'll try but thanks a lot!
13:45<Cornelius>babilen: might another linux distro work?
13:45<Cornelius>babilen: are there guis not using x server?
13:45<babilen>Cornelius: Quite unlikely
13:46<Cornelius>babilen: how sad....
13:46<Cornelius>babilen: ok but thank you anway :)
13:46<babilen>have a nice evening!
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13:53<babilen>speedvin: Welcome
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14:11<jacks_lt>this does not work :/
14:11<jacks_lt>0 */12 * * * /backup/./
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14:11<jhutchins_lt>jacks_lt: Where do you have that.
14:12<jacks_lt>crontab -e
14:12<jacks_lt>on my nas server
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14:13<jhutchins_lt>jacks_lt: Which user?
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14:13<jhutchins_lt>your /,/ might be the problem.
14:13<jacks_lt>jhutchins_lt: I don't think so
14:13<jhutchins_lt>jacks_lt: It's unconventional. does work when executed manually?
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14:15<jacks_lt>jhutchins_lt: no
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14:15<jacks_lt>jhutchins_lt: but I have two similar line in crontab, one works
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14:15<jacks_lt>jhutchins_lt: only ./ works
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14:17<jacks_lt>is this right?
14:17<jacks_lt>0 */12 * * *
14:17<jacks_lt>could be the problem
14:17<jhutchins_lt>jacks_lt: Says run it at 00:12 every day.
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14:17<jhutchins_lt>No, it says run it every 12 minutes from 00:00 to 01:00
14:18<jhutchins_lt>jacks_lt: If the script doesn't run in the first place cron isn't going to run it.
14:18<jhutchins_lt>jacks_lt: Needs to be executable and have the #! set correctly.
14:19<jacks_lt>it runs at 0 minuts, every 24/12 = 2 hour, every year, month, week
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14:19<jhutchins_lt>Bah, rusty.
14:20<koollman>jacks_lt: every 12 hours, not 2
14:20<jhutchins_lt>jacks_lt: So that would run twice a day - if it ran.
14:21<jacks_lt>that might be the problemo
14:22<jacks_lt>0 */2 * * *
14:22<jacks_lt>that's the way to do it?
14:22<jacks_lt>jhutchins_lt: you're right about that bash stuff
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14:31<psj>hi all... I'm relatively new to debian and have got a small question: how can I prevent debian from asking me for my DVD each time I issue an apt-get update? I want to keep the entry in the sources.list, though...
14:32<mase_>psj edit /etc/apt/sources.list
14:32<mase_>psj uncomment or delete the dvd repositories
14:32<mase_>phj oh, sorry, did not read all the line :)
14:33<Hotas>change your sources.list
14:33<psj>I've got another squeeze system which does not require the DVD ...
14:33<mase_>psj so why not uncomment the dvd repositories?
14:33<psj>I fear I messed around with apt-cdrom and now I have to insert it each time
14:35<psj>its not really important, but I thought, if I have downloaded all the packages I don't need to download them again... :)
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14:37<psj>its more out of curiosity... because the other squeeze doesn't show the behaviour
14:37<psj>I searched /etc/apt for differences but was not successful
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14:39<mase_>osj hmm, you diff'ed the whole directory? thats strange
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14:39<mase_>-ojs + psj; i mean the /etc/apt directory
14:39<psj>it was more of a human diff'ing :)
14:40<psj>there are not many files in there and the few ones are very short
14:40<mase_>psj can you try the diff command directly?
14:40<psj>this works on whole directories ... didn't know that... OK I'll try
14:41<mase_>think so, may be a parameter, may not...
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14:43<mercutio22>I am having trouble connecting with the msn messenger protocol in empathy. Any clues? I heard removing telepathy-butterfly and creating a new account would allow me to connect using telepathy-haze
14:43<mercutio22>hasn't worked
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14:51<psj>OK, I could use diff recursively ... looks wild :/...
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14:52<psj>this is the pictures after many futile tries
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14:58<dios>всем добрый вечер
14:58<dios>никто не уделит минутку внимания начинающему пингвиноводу?..
14:59<dios>немогу поставить драйвер на сетевую карту
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15:01<psj>mase: did u see the output?
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15:02<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ or use English here.
15:03<mase_>psj i see one has the netinst cd as repository? the other one has the regular DVD
15:04<dios>Good evening all, Nobody would give a newcomer a minute? ..Can not put the drivers for network card
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15:08<Zathras>hi. hi. What are the chances on success on using an Ubuntu ppa to Debian squeeze and what is the best procedure to follow please?
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15:08<Zathras>this driver is not in Debian afaik
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15:09<retrospectacus>install it using the CUPS web interface, TIAS
15:09<psj>mase: yes, but the regular DVD-version worked "correctly" (i.e. didnt require the dvd) and after some upgrade and/or "apt-cdrom add" the dvd is now required every time.
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15:12<retrospectacus>Zathras: after reading that webpage, scratch my CUPS comment, just TIAS
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15:12<dpkg>TIAS is "Try It And See".
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15:15<The_Dead_91>hi all. I'm going mad about the installation of java 2 sdk on Debian Lenny 5.0.5...can anyone help me?
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15:15<speedvin>The_Dead_91: Hi, if I can help you I will ;)
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15:16<dpkg>Java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun, now Oracle, has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged for Debian, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>, <icedtea>, <java ipv6>. ##java on
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15:18<The_Dead_91>thanks retrospectatus, it seems very useful :)
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15:19<psj>mase: thanks for your hints! I have to leave. I'll try some more, maybe I find something.
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15:21<retrospectacus>The_Dead_91: feel free to ask here if you still have any specific problems, though ##java on may be more knowledgable
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15:25<The_Dead_91>retrospectacus: I'm downloading the file "sun-java6-jdk_6-...-lenny1_i386" wait so i can do all the procedure
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15:30<retrospectacus>The_Dead_91: If you end up having multiple "java" (&/or "javac" etc) installed (very likely), check out <java alternatives> (/msg dpkg java alternatives)
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15:48<Lounge>using linux mint debian edition, and because i'm on an encrypted lvm, i could not install it the normal way but instead had to go the way of "chroot"
15:48<Lounge>what a pain that was
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15:51<Lounge>the lmde has a really nice live cd and graphic installer but it uses gparted ~ but gparted could not see the lvm volume group, which was quite a snag
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15:53<Zathras>scanner works
15:54<Marxist>im new to the whole backtrack 4 thing
15:55<cahoot>this is #debian
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15:56<retrospectacus>Zathras: :)
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16:00<Silicium01>where is the trash folder located in Lenny for a user?
16:00<retrospectacus>in the left panel in nautilus
16:00<Silicium01>nautilus shows it as trash: in Location bar, but that's not helpful
16:00<Silicium01>retrospectacus, no I mean the physical location
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16:02<retrospectacus>not really sure how that works actually
16:02<Silicium01>I somehow have a file in user's trash folder that is owned by root, and in order to delete it I need to know the location so I can go in with su or sudo
16:02<Lounge>configurations editor: apps --> nautilus --> desktop --> trash_icon_visible (checked)
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16:02<jhutchins_lt>Lounge: Contrary to their misleading documentation, lmde is NOT debian and it is not supported here.
16:03<Silicium01>Lounge, no, I'm not looking for a gnome option to display trash, I'm looking for it's physical location
16:03<PavelP>I think its /home/%username%/.local/share/Trash
16:04<Lounge>jhutchins_lt: well it sure isn't ubuntu, so it must be more towards debian and if its using the debian testing repos? its pretty much debian imo
16:04<retrospectacus>yeh /home/adama/.local/share/Trash/
16:04<Silicium01>PavelP, yes, it's there. Thank you
16:05<Silicium01>retrospectacus, thanks
16:05<jhutchins_lt>Lounge: You are welcome to your opinion, nonetheless mint is not supported here, please use the mint support channels.
16:05<retrospectacus>Lounge: still not debian.
16:05<jhutchins_lt>Lounge: If you would like to install debian stable we will be glad to help where we can.
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16:05<Lounge>jhutchins_lt: i did not connect here asking for help on lmde, i just posted my story about how i installed it
16:06<Lounge>you can take it for what its worth
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16:07<Lounge>if i've gone against the rules here, then my apologies
16:07<Lounge>perhaps i should go to a debain offtopic room?
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16:09<jhutchins_lt>Probably wouldn't get as many rocks thrown at you <grin>.
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16:10<Lounge>yes i forgot what an abomination it is to mention something like lmde here [rolls eyes]
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16:11<Lounge>lol i'm going to another room
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16:18<retrospectacus>can I use grep recursively, and make it "switch to" zgrep on .gz files?
16:20<terang>Why not just use zgrep from the start?
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16:22<retrospectacus>will that work on uncompressed files as well?
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16:22<mardoheu>buna seara
16:22<terang>retrospectacus: yes
16:22<avu>retrospectacus, echo -e "foo\nbar" | zgrep foo
16:23<avu>don't ask things you can try out yourself in a matter of seconds ;)
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16:23<retrospectacus>cool, thanks
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16:41<ZioN>i have a question
16:42<ZioN>i just installed debian 5.0.6
16:42<ZioN>and on places i can`t access my ntfs partitions
16:42<ZioN>how can i solve that
16:42<dpkg>[ntfs] Windows NT File System. There are 3 drivers in Debian: the read-only Linux kernel driver and <FUSE> drivers providing write support. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about read/write access, ask me about <ntfsrw>. See also <ntfsclone>, <ntfsck>, <label>. FAQ: . #ntfs on
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16:50<willemb>I see in my osvdb feed today a whole lot of announcements related to LD_LIBRARY_PATH Zero-length , many of which refer to debian packages.
16:51<willemb>We see some very susipicious activity on some of our machines (people logging in with usernames from ip addresses that user definately does not have access to)
16:52<willemb>but none of the affected packages are installed on our machines.
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16:53<willemb>What are the chances someone is rooting us using a local privilege escelation vector that just has not been disclosed yet?
16:53<willemb>and stealing our passwords while they are locally escalated?
16:53<willemb>in many cases, the standard sshd and ssh has been replaced (md5sum changed and banner does not match)
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17:00<valdyn>willemb: chances are probably low, depends on your setup and your update policies
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17:00<koollman>willemb: external attack, unlikely, but may happen. internal (employee, ex-employee) attack is rather likely
17:00<valdyn>willemb: but if sshd was replaces then you are defenitely rooted
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17:01<willemb>valdyn: we are up to date on updates, I am thinking someone is using an exploit not yet publicized, but related to these
17:01<willemb>koollman: that is what we have been fearing
17:01<willemb>valdyn: yeah, we know, but we don't know what the initial privilege escalation was.
17:01<valdyn>willemb: probably, but most security holes are never publicised
17:01<valdyn>willemb: because they are bad configuration or custom software
17:02<koollman>the best 'exploit' is a good knowledge of internal architecture, procedures, and access to accounts
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17:07<pipe>Like, how I could easily bypass the fire alarm on a lot of major cruiseliners.
17:07<pipe>Because I worked on them :P
17:07<pipe>Doesn't necessarily mean it's unsecure..
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17:09<valdyn>willemb: if its a bot, it will be rooted again, the same way, if you restore an old backup
17:09<valdyn>( unless some different bot finds *another* hole )
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17:10<willemb>that is why we are keen to find out how it happened
17:10<willemb>in the mean time, we are doing our best to lock down ssh
17:10<valdyn>willemb: thats one way to find out what happened
17:11<Dominus>i have a question. I have installed nmap using the apt-get install method.. it's version 4.62, and on another computer i also have it, but it's version 5.21. How do I get an up-to-date version on my linux box?
17:11<valdyn>judd: versions nmap
17:11<judd>Package nmap on i386 -- etch: 4.11-1; etch-backports: 4.62-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 4.62-1; lenny-backports: 5.00-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 5.00-3; sid: 5.21-1
17:11<jhutchins_lt>willemb: You may want to look into tripwire and other IDS tools.
17:11<valdyn>Dominus: use the version from backports or backport the sid package
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17:12<Dominus>how do i do that? =)
17:12<willemb>jhutchins_lt: any tips on making tripwire less unwieldly across many hosts?
17:12<Dominus>I am no Linux expert, unfortunately.
17:12<dpkg> (formerly is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read to enable and use. See also <bdo key> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo kernel> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <volatile>.
17:12<valdyn>Dominus: ^^
17:13<Dominus>valdyn: tyvm (: I'll take a look at it
17:13<valdyn>Dominus: why would you even care about having the latest nmap?
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17:13<Dominus>well.. i guess you know what nmap is, correct?
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17:13<valdyn>Dominus: sure
17:13<Dominus>i have a problem with it (:
17:14<valdyn>Dominus: a piece of software that 99% of all people probably dont need a newer than 5 years old version
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17:14<Dominus>hmm.. I will just leave it at version 4.62 then :b
17:15<retrospectacus>Dominus: what's the problem with it? You know it's fixed in the latest?
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17:18<Dominus>retrospectacus: No, I don't know. I don't think it is. It's just my noobish way of trying to fix it ;)
17:18<Dominus>the problem is, that whenever i run an nmap on a link/ip, it'll do this:
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17:19<jhutchins_lt>willemb: No tips. sorry, it's unweildy even on a single host.
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17:20<valdyn>Dominus: try as root?
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17:21<Dominus>valdyn: I did that as root..
17:21<valdyn>Dominus: is this a regular debian box or somehow hardened?
17:21<Dominus>It should be very regular
17:22<valdyn>Dominus: "ping", tell what happens
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17:22<valdyn>Dominus: i tend to think youre on somehow restrictive vm
17:23<Dominus>It did what it should
17:23<valdyn>Dominus: yea
17:23<ZioN>how can i activate my usb webcam
17:23<Dominus>well, perhaps
17:23<ZioN>at lsusb command i get this
17:23<valdyn>Dominus: use "nmap -P0", see what that gives
17:24<ZioN>Bus 005 Device 002: ID 0ac8:0323 Z-Star Microelectronics Corp. Luxya WC-1200 USB 2.0 Webcam
17:24<ZioN>but skype doesn`t see it
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17:25<edju>I'm having problems with dhclient. I see that I presently run isc-dhcp server and client. Can I replace that with dhcp3? I'd just try it, but the install doesn't remove isc, and I don't know if both should be installed. Running squeeze.
17:25<willemb>jhutchins_lt: any tips on alternatives to tripwire?
17:25<Dominus>valdyn: it just says the standard "Starting nmap" etc.. Next line is "Warning: Hostname resolves to 6 IPs. Using" .. and that's all
17:25<Dominus>I just stands there
17:25<Dominus>not getting any further
17:25<valdyn>Dominus: wait..
17:26<Dominus>Ok (:
17:26<Dominus>But I've already waited for 2 minutes :/
17:26<valdyn>Dominus: yea
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17:26<Dominus>Is it supposed to take long?
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17:26<jhutchins_lt>willemb: I know there are alternatives - that's the sum of it.
17:27<valdyn>Dominus: longer than standard nmap, yea
17:27<Dominus>hmm. okay
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17:27<Dominus>It has taken 3 minutes now
17:27<valdyn>Dominus: let it run..
17:27<Dominus>I will
17:27<Dominus>Sorry for being impatient :D
17:27<valdyn>Dominus: i dont know how long it will take, just open a new shell and work there whatever you want to..
17:28<Dominus>ok sure
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17:28<valdyn>Dominus: its not supposed to be that slow, nor is it supposed to throw the errors you showed us. But i cannot solve this yet
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17:29<Dominus>hmm, okay. yet like.. you don't have time? Or you need to see what it'll output with the nmap -P0?
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17:29<gsimmons>dpkg: tell ZioN -about gspca
17:30<valdyn>Dominus: ok, i found some stuff on google, its your iptables firewall
17:30<Dominus>is that something that's at my server provider, og something i can do something about?
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17:31<valdyn>Dominus: probably your service provider
17:31<ZioN> lsusb
17:31<ZioN>Bus 005 Device 008: ID 0ac8:0323 Z-Star Microelectronics Corp. Luxya WC-1200 USB 2.0 Webcam
17:31<ZioN>is installed
17:31<ZioN>but is not detected by skype
17:31<ZioN>at vebcam media i don`t have nothing
17:31<valdyn>Dominus: google "nmap => operation not permitted"
17:31<Dominus>valdyn: Well. Thanks for the help ! :) I will get a new SP sometime in november
17:31<jhutchins_lt>Dominus: Are you running it as root?
17:31<Dominus>jhutchins_lt: yes, i am
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17:32<valdyn>Dominus: appears on linux and also some bsd, firewall issue
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17:32<valdyn>Dominus: and in your case probably the host system, which you cannot fix
17:33<jhutchins_lt>I agree with valdyn
17:33<jhutchins_lt>"Operation not permitted" suggests it's something happening in the local kernel, but probably not something that can be fixed.
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17:33<Dominus>valdyn: okay. that's too bad :/
17:34<Dominus>jhutchins_lt: so Operation not permitted is an error message you shouldn't like? :P
17:34<jhutchins_lt>Well, it suggests to me that it's not an external error like a firewall, but something happening within the local process.
17:35<Dominus>valdyn: btw- it said "All 1715 scanned ports on ( are filtered"
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17:35<jhutchins_lt>Dominus: On a VM it's likely to be intentionall.
17:35<valdyn>jhutchins_lt: right, but that might include the host kernel
17:35<Dominus>jhutchins_lt: hmm. well, i can't do anything about it then. I will just wait untill I change SP in november
17:36<Dominus>jhutchins_lt: VM = Virtual Machine?
17:36<willemb> operation not permitted could just mean your local iptables is not allowing the traffic out
17:36<gsimmons>ZioN: A driver is required to be installed for your device ; /msg dpkg gspca
17:36<valdyn>oh, gentoobies firewalling their localhost, funny ( gives a similar error )
17:37<jhutchins_lt>willemb: That doesn't usually result in that error message, but Dominus could do iptables -L and see.
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17:37<jhutchins_lt>Dominus: Yes, virtual machine.
17:38<Dominus>btw - how do i get the version of my linux?
17:38<Dominus>with terminal
17:38<Dominus>jhutchins_lt: ok.
17:38<willemb>cat /etc/issue
17:38<valdyn>Dominus: you can even try to "modprobe -r iptables_nat" ir somesuch, but I very much doubt you can remove or insert kernel modules
17:39<Dominus>valdyn: FATAL: Module iptables_nat not found.
17:39<valdyn>Dominus: nf_nat
17:40<valdyn>Dominus: all is open anyway
17:40<Dominus>how do I get my operating version?
17:40<valdyn>Dominus: ( thats what the paste claims, doesnt mean that its true for the vm host )
17:40<Dominus>I know it's debian, but don't remember the exact version
17:40<valdyn>Dominus: cat /etc/debian_version
17:41<valdyn>Dominus: and "uname -r" for the kernel
17:41<Dominus>tyvm ^__^
17:42<Dominus>well.. I guess I can't do any more about this. Thanks a lot for the help :)
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17:44<sagess>hey buddy
17:44<retrospectacus>word up holmes
17:44<sagess>plz slowly im speak french and learnin english
17:44<sagess>so how are u?
17:45<sagess>im new
17:45<retrospectacus>sagess: good, and you? Do you have a Debian problem?
17:45<valdyn>Dominus: welcome
17:45<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
17:45<sagess>ok merci
17:46<sagess>i can't use my wifi
17:46<sagess>can u help me?
17:46<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
17:48<Dominus>Ici nous ne pouvons offrir de l'aide en anglais, pour les français. Allez à # debian-fr sur ... Cela a été l'aide de Google Translate.
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17:49<EmleyMoor>Reliability of the wireless on my laptop has fallen under squeeze
17:49<EmleyMoor>I am currently being reprompted for the passphrase
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17:51<EmleyMoor>I thought it got better when the firmware was updated recently but it's gone again
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17:58<Stanislav>hi all
17:58<Stanislav>good evening
17:58<EmleyMoor>Can we help you, Stanislav?
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17:59<Stanislav>i need little company
18:00<Stanislav>because i need to communicate with somebody
18:00<Stanislav>i feel so lonely tonight
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18:00<EmleyMoor>That doesn't sound like a Debian thing to me
18:00<Dominus>excuse moi .. I've tried installing a new version of nmap manually
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18:01<Stanislav>what Linux Dist are you using?
18:01<EmleyMoor>Dominus: You need to install gcc
18:02<Stanislav>i use ubuntu and i don't have any problems installing nmap
18:02<Stanislav>(in the command line)
18:02<EmleyMoor>This is not the place for Ubuntu
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18:02<Dominus>well.. I've done "apt-get install nmap".. and it installs v4.62 .. now someone on #nmap asked me to update it.. :/
18:03<Stanislav>i am sorry
18:03<Stanislav>got the wrong place
18:03<Dominus>EmleyMoor: I can only find fteqcc in the package manager
18:03<Dominus>Will that do?
18:03<EmleyMoor>Dominus: No
18:03<Dominus>What should i do? (:
18:03<EmleyMoor>What distribution are you running?
18:05<Dominus>Debian 5.0.5
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18:05<EmleyMoor>Dominus: You should be able to find gcc, then
18:06<Dominus>$ apt-cache search qcc - returns: "fteqcc - FTE QuakeC compiler"
18:06<EmleyMoor>Not qcc, gcc
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18:06<EmleyMoor>That's G, not @
18:06<Dominus>I have no words for my stupidity..
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18:07<themill>,versions nmap --lenny-backports
18:07<judd>(versions <pattern> [--arch <i386>] [--release <lenny>]) -- Show the available versions of a package in the optionally specified release and for the given architecture. All current releases and i386 are searched by default. By default, binary packages are searched; prefix the packagename with "src:" to search source packages.
18:07<themill>,versions nmap --versions lenny-backports
18:07<judd>(versions <pattern> [--arch <i386>] [--release <lenny>]) -- Show the available versions of a package in the optionally specified release and for the given architecture. All current releases and i386 are searched by default. By default, binary packages are searched; prefix the packagename with "src:" to search source packages.
18:07<themill>,versions nmap
18:07<judd>Package nmap on i386 -- etch: 4.11-1; etch-backports: 4.62-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 4.62-1; lenny-backports: 5.00-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 5.00-3; sid: 5.21-1
18:07<themill>you know what i mean....
18:08<EmleyMoor>Good point, actually - using the backport is easier and tidier
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18:09<grummund>traceroute times printed for each hop are from the local machine to that node, right?
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18:09<EmleyMoor>I'm on squeeze now, so not best placed to advise, but you can add the backports to your software sources and install nmap 5.00 from that
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18:10<dpkg> (formerly is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read to enable and use. See also <bdo key> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo kernel> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <volatile>.
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18:20<Dominus>Where's the source.list located?
18:21<Dominus>found it
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18:23<Dominus>it worked ^_____^
18:24<Dominus>i backported it! :D
18:24<Dominus>yay me
18:24<Dominus>and thx for your help
18:24<panter>problema com placa de rede HP PROLIANT alguem pode me ajudar??????????
18:25<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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18:28<tash>hmm why don't call this channel ... "#debian-en"?
18:30<Dominus>tash: i guess it's because it's the official channel or something?
18:31<amphi>tash: anglo chauvinism ;)
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18:32<Dominus>lol :D
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18:41<Dominus>,versions nmap
18:41<judd>Package nmap on i386 -- etch: 4.11-1; etch-backports: 4.62-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 4.62-1; lenny-backports: 5.00-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 5.00-3; sid: 5.21-1
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18:41<Dominus>how do i backport sid?
18:42<jpinx-ee1pc>!tell Dominus about ssb
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18:44<Dominus>what's with all the <SOMETHING> ?
18:44<Dominus>like.. see <debian-backports> <-- where should i go see that?
18:44<dpkg> (formerly is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read to enable and use. See also <bdo key> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo kernel> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <volatile>.
18:45<themill>Dominus: it's a cross-reference, so "/msg dpkg debian-backports". (btw, nmap doesn't look like a "simple" sid backport). Is there a specific reason you're not happy with the version from backports?
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18:46<Dominus>themill: people at #nmap are complaining about it's not the latest version, latest is 5.21, and has been out since january
18:47<tash>debian does not think on be the most updated
18:47<themill>Dominus: they perhaps should learn that just because they think some software is stable doesn't mean that it plays well with the rest of the world out there. And if they're not prepared to support their own software for more than 5 minutes, perhaps they're in the wrong game.
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18:48<Dominus>themill - I guess you're right. It kinda suchs that it's THAT much out of date.. I mean, there's a long way from 4.62 to 5.21
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18:48<themill>Dominus: 5.00 is the version you are supposed to be comparing with here
18:49<Dominus>wait. sorry, i misunderstood.
18:50<Dominus>But, well. If they release a new version of nmap that's supposed to be stable, shouldn't debian go along ?
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18:50<themill>Dominus: "apt-cache rdepends nmap" you'll see that there are lot of other things that need to be ready prior to updating nmap.
18:50<Dominus>and be up-to-date aswell? I mean. In the end, they are the guys who control nmap, and if they think it's stable isn't that up to them to deside? It isn't debian to deside whether it's stable or not, is it?
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18:51<Dominus>what is rdepends?
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18:56<themill>Dominus: "reverse depends" i.e. packages that depend on nmap
18:58<Dominus>I guess debian developers are the ones to deside when it's stable enough then :P
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18:59<themill>it's often a question of coordination. (and sometimes a question of volunteers finding enough time to do the work)
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19:07<Rudde>How much space do I need to install and use debian?
19:07<retrospectacus>depends what you mean by "use"
19:08<retrospectacus>anywhere from about 50MB to 10GB
19:08<Rudde>So like 50 GB SSD will be okey?
19:09<Rudde>I just want to use it lika a fileserver and a mediaplayer, and some x264 encoding
19:10<Rudde>I will have 14-18 TB on the second HDD :D
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19:10<tash>second HDD? you mean only one?
19:11<Rudde>like 8-10 2 TB hdd'es in RAID
19:11<tash>10 in raid and not for SO ?
19:12<Rudde>I was thinking about this for OS
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19:12<tash>is that faster than the raid?
19:12<Rudde>I guess not
19:13<Rudde>But I don't want the OS to mess with my files
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19:13<amphi>'files' are a fiction maintained by the OS ;)
19:14<tash>but 10 on raid... sounds danger
19:14<Rudde>I will use RAID 6 or what it's caled
19:15<tash>and just for files I don't get it
19:15<Rudde>What do you not get?
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19:16<tash>raid for files
19:17<Rudde>Why not? :(
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19:22<tash>Rudde: am not am expert, but until I know, raid is to boost speed, and is danger because if 1 disk fails you will loose all =/. BTW we are offtopic
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19:22<Rudde>I use RAID 6
19:22<Zathras>trash, better read up on the subject of RAID then
19:23<Rudde>Then A disk can fail and I can replace it
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19:23<Rudde>But if 2 fails I'm screwd
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19:25<Zathras>sorry for the typo. just noticed it
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19:33<Zathras>cool :-)
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21:09<shiznatix>Hi. I was just wondering where in debian the thumbnails of pictures and videos are stored. There seams to be a place that Nautilus stores these thumbnails but I am unable to find it. Can someone help me out?
21:10<amphi>shiznatix: ~/.thumbnails ?
21:10<amphi>that's where the ones generated by gimp, gthumb, gqview go here, as far as I can see
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21:18<viler>Does anybody have a pci wifi card that's compatible with debian they wanna sell?
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22:38<larry-1486>elo leo
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---Logclosed Sat Oct 23 00:00:16 2010