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03:23<ZioN>from were i can upgrade my display driver ?
03:23<ZioN>i`m searching and searching and i can`t find
03:23<ZioN>i use debian desktop
03:25<jpinx-ee1pc>ZioN: what release of debian do you use?
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03:26<ZioN>and i got a msi 8400gs
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03:28<jpinx-eeepc>ZioN: not getting any info :(
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03:29<ZioN>and i don`t know how to fix it,i get a low image on my players
03:29<ZioN>and installed wine but can`t get a fine video
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03:30<jpinx-eeepc>ZioN: did it work before ?
03:31<ZioN>before i had ubuntu desktop
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03:32<jpinx-eeepc>ok - so it works with linux ;)
03:32<jpinx-eeepc>did you google for possibilities?
03:32<pipe>na4uta-holidays: Please read
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03:34<na4uta-holidays>okay pipe, i leave your chan
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03:34<pipe>The freedom to have a retarded everchanging nick was more important than hanging around debian geeks :(
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03:39*pipe resists!
03:40<jpinx-eeepc>resistance is useless *squawk*
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04:05<hxm>I have debian kde, i installed qtcurve and gtk engines qtcurve but i still cant use qtcurve in themes
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04:05<hxm>what i miss
04:06<beer_>if noone can help you here you might ask in #debian-kde
04:06<vsadnik>Is someone speak in Russan?
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04:32<mrvn>What is a simple tool to monitor/debug wlan connectivity? Something that shows me the speed and channel?
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04:34<mrvn>tomaw: primaer einfach funktionieren mit windows.
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04:43<EmleyMoor>iceweasel is incorrectly using a proportional font, where Firefox on Windows uses a monospace... why would that be?
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04:49<Alucard>I need help in Hungarian
04:49<Alucard>Which channel do I do that?
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04:50<dpkg>hmm... hu is Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a -t.
04:51<Alucard>Thank you!
04:52<Alucard>I'm alone on the channel :)
04:53<Alucard>The problem with compiz vs Radeon 9600
04:53<Alucard>does not work under debian
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04:55<Alucard>System: Debian SID
04:55<Alucard>Driver fglrx
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04:57<Alucard>can someone help me?
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04:58<Duber>Alucard be patient, people here aren't always watching
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05:45<XmarineX>g'morning. Am new to Debian but not linux, am having problem with pkg add/remove app in Gnome, even though server is set wont connect and d/l all the index files any ideas how to fix?
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05:49<EmleyMoor>XmarineX: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
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05:50<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... nothing able to answer that... are you familiar with patebins?
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05:51<XmarineX>um not really do we msg the contents to dpkg?
05:51<EmleyMoor>, paste it into there then paste the URL here
05:52<XmarineX>ok thanks
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05:57<EmleyMoor>What happens when you try to Reload?
05:58<XmarineX>for some reason of late it says cant d/l index files and it then asks for a cd
05:58<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... and do you have that CD?
05:58<XmarineX>just the ISO I d/l and burned to disk
05:58<XmarineX>it was CD1
05:59<EmleyMoor>Right - and what happens when you insert it?
05:59<XmarineX>well i havent since normally it goes on the net to d/l apps
05:59<XmarineX>this is just recent happenings
06:00<EmleyMoor>OK - any chance you could get the full error messages?
06:00<XmarineX>um i might let me try it again
06:03<XmarineX>hmm ok now its working
06:04<XmarineX>earlier I was having problems w/ it getting the full index files from servers so thought it had reverted over to cd
06:05<XmarineX>so was ignoring that part and canceling
06:06<XmarineX>ugh ok so it failed again
06:06<XmarineX>said couldnt get some of the packages from the servers
06:07<EmleyMoor>Do you have a detailed error message?
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06:07<XmarineX>yes the screen just popped with the error msg will use pastebin
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06:09<XmarineX>appears to be a Hash Sum mismatch
06:11<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... not sure what you can do there - maybe someone else can help
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06:12<rot13>how can i set up fsck to YES if it runs so i can boot up unattended?
06:12<XmarineX>ok, thanks I just tried d/l a diff program IE Bluefish editor and that worked like a charm.. ;-)
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06:15<XmarineX>Also the Update Manager fives this:
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06:22<EmleyMoor>XmarineX: That mirror doesn't have the Security updates
06:22<themill>rot13: see /etc/default/rcS
06:23<rot13>themill: ah thanks
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06:23<XmarineX>ahh k, I just tried switching the default server to MAIN, and get same update error as well
06:24<rot13>and how can i configure it to retry dhcp if it fails or cant if it boots up?
06:24<themill>XmarineX: have you already stuck your sources.list in a pastebin for us? And the output of "apt-get update"?
06:24<XmarineX>themill: the sources.list yes
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06:26<XmarineX>Here is the msg on apt-get update:
06:26<themill>XmarineX: hmm... that line doesn't correspond to the sources.list on the pastebnin
06:26<EmleyMoor> is the sources.list
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06:28<EmleyMoor>Line 10 is wrong - needs to point to sdo, not the uchicago address
06:29<XmarineX>sources.list is:
06:29<themill>XmarineX: your last error message is inconsistent with that sources.list; do you have anything in "/etc/apt/sources.list.d"? And as EmleyMoor pointed out, line 10 of that paste is wrong.
06:30<themill>XmarineX: btw any reason you're using an ftp mirror rather than an http one? ( is a debian mirror)
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06:31<XmarineX>after trying diff mirrors for best speed on updating and d/l apps the error seemed to start once I started changing diff servers.. and about the same time I tried aptitude..
06:32<jamesstilwell3rd>Hypothetical: My ex-girlfriend-who-hates-me works at my ISP and is capturing all packets that run through my pipe.... I'm using SSH Tunnels over the tor network to escape the scrutiny. Does using Larger keys affect the encryption strength of my entire SSH session (against brute force attack), or does it only affect the encryption strength used on the handshake between the two endpoints?
06:34<XmarineX>themill: guess im oldschool on protocols is why I choose ftp instead of http ;)
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06:36<XmarineX>Themill: in sources/list.d : /etc/apt/sources.list.d is a directory
06:36<XmarineX>rarepenguin:/etc/apt# cd /etc/apt/sources.list.d
06:37<f8l>speedvin: Hello.
06:37<XmarineX>themill: nothing appears in the dir
06:37<speedvin>f8l: Wow you, here?
06:37<themill>XmarineX: I'd like to see your _current_ sources.list and the output of "apt-get update" as run right now please. The two that you have shown us do not match.
06:38<f8l>speedvin: Why are you surprised? (answer in #debian-offtopic or somewhere else, not here)
06:38<speedvin>f8l: ok
06:39<XmarineX>themill: ok working on it ;-)
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06:43<pipe>jamesstilwell3rd: You don't make any sense, are you saying that she have managed to break Tor?
06:43<jamesstilwell3rd>pipe: That's purely a hypothetical.
06:44<themill>XmarineX: ok. "deb-src lenny/updates main" is still wrong. There are no security updates from that mirror. Just comment out that line and re-run apt-get update and you should get no errors.
06:44<jamesstilwell3rd>I just assume every connection is at least that hostile.
06:44<pipe>jamesstilwell3rd: Why are you even mentioning Tor there? Tor doesn't interact with ssh in any way. Are yoy worried about the ssh or about Tor?
06:45<pipe>jamesstilwell3rd: Or are you worried that an exit node will bruteforce your ssh?
06:45<themill>dpkg, #hand out the tin foil hats
06:45<dpkg>themill: I give up, what is it?
06:45<themill>dpkg, hand out the tin foil hats
06:45*dpkg passes around the tinfoil hats to everyone on #debian and hope the black helicopters won't notice the shiny reflections from the tin foil...
06:45<pipe>jamesstilwell3rd: Besides, you're asking in the wrong place :P
06:45<pipe>dpkg: Duh, you're supposed to keep it under your hat.
06:45<dpkg>no idea, pipe
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06:46*rot13 replaces old tin foil hat with new shiny one
06:46<jamesstilwell3rd>I want to know if using strong (32Mb+) SSH keys over weak (1Mb) increases the encryption strength of my whole connection, or just the handshake process between ssh client and ssh server.
06:46<XmarineX>themill: ok thanks, I've used so many diff distros in paste I always wanted to give Debian a try, and love the tinkering.. sorry being new to Debian ;) but am loving it..
06:47<pipe>jamesstilwell3rd: If you really want to know that, why are you asking here?
06:47<jamesstilwell3rd>Is that key functioning merely as a password replacement.
06:47<jamesstilwell3rd>The devil told me to ask here.
06:47<pipe>Isn't the key just hashed.
06:48<jamesstilwell3rd>pipe: Is that rhetorical?
06:48<rot13>and now let's all go to #openssh on freenode. anyone?
06:49<jamesstilwell3rd>No one there :)
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06:50<jamesstilwell3rd>Just thought one of the more experienced sysops in here would be able to pull that one out of their hat for me.
06:50<XmarineX>w00t: no error msgs thanks themill
06:50<jamesstilwell3rd>I'll go back to reading.
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06:50<themill>XmarineX: excellent. and those packages install fine now?
06:50<XmarineX>themill: thats my next test ;)
06:52<XmarineX>themill: appears ALL is in fine working order ;)
06:53<XmarineX>themill: thank you!
06:53<themill>!congratulate XmarineX
06:53<dpkg>Nice one XmarineX, you did it!
06:53*XmarineX <phew> hehe
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06:54*XmarineX realizes I need to start reading the manuals on Debian <g>
06:55<themill>XmarineX: "/msg dpkg grounding" for a few useful things to read
06:55<XmarineX>;) thanks
06:56<terang>Has anyone used debian kFreeBSD before? Is it in a stable enivornment?
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07:23<tejr>hey folks
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07:38<dodddummy>here's a silly question. where is the my device supports ogg option in gpodder?
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07:42<dodddummy>got it
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07:52<hxm>he sugges me go to nicechat dot org
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08:34<The_Dead_91>Hi all. Can I add Ubuntu's repository to my Debian 5.0.5?
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08:36<themill>The_Dead_91: no. What are you trying to achieve?
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08:36<The_Dead_91>ubuntu's java compiler
08:36<The_Dead_91>i'm not able to install the debian's package
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08:38<pipe>Why not?
08:38<The_Dead_91>i don't know
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08:38<themill>The_Dead_91: what's the real problem you're trying to solve here. Please stick the command you give and the entire output in a pastebin; /msg dpkg pastebin
08:39<pipe>ok, surely adding another repository and installing that will work much better!
08:39<The_Dead_91>wait... i downloaded sun-java6-jdk
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08:39<The_Dead_91>but when i try to install it he won't work in anyway
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08:41<themill>The_Dead_91: I still haven't got a clue what you have done, what worked and what didn't work. Please stick real commands and real output in pastebin.
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08:53<redbullfx>Hello everyone
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09:00<redbullfx>any good programs to clone my system. I need to create a system backup with all my programs and settings.??
09:01<pipe>if you really want to clone
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09:02<redbullfx>dd stands for what?
09:02<Torsten_W>disk dump
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09:02<pipe>it's a program
09:02<redbullfx>thats what i need...i want to create a complete image of my system
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09:04<speedvin>Dirk: hi
09:04<Dirk>I'm looking for a thin X Session for my debian VServer. I just need it to run
09:04<Torsten_W>Dirk, and?
09:05<Dirk>Can you tell me, which one I can take - it needs not much functionality, needs to be secure and ressource "economic"
09:05<Torsten_W>there is no xsession needed on the server
09:05<Torsten_W>you wouldn't see anything
09:05<Dirk>yes it is, because I have to launch/start to listen on the TCP.
09:06<Dirk>I use UNO to access to create PDFs out of forms.
09:06<Torsten_W>yare you sure, you know what are you doing on this server?
09:06<Dirk>Yes I am ;)
09:06<Dirk>Are we allowed to talk german in this Channel?
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09:06<Dirk>Probably I can tell you what I'm going to do.
09:06<Torsten_W>no one will run a xserver on a server, accessable from the net
09:07<Dirk>Ok, perhaps there is another possibility.
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09:07<Dirk>Starting to listen on TCP, I get an error on a display env variable.
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09:08<Dirk>I try to start and copy it inside here, perhaps you can tell me, how to solve this otherwise?!
09:09<dpkg>You can run X11 apps securely over an ssh connection without <xhost> nor X TCP support. Enable X11Forwarding _on the remote server_ (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (lenny, squeeze) or xbase-clients (etch) on both the client and the server. Then "ssh -X" from the client and run X apps on the remote machine. See also <root x> and <cygwin sshx>.
09:09<valdyn>dpkg: isnt that ^^ what you are looking for?
09:09<dpkg>valdyn: okay
09:09<valdyn>Dirk: isnt that ^^ what you are looking for?
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09:10<Dirk>www:~# /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice.bin X11 error: Can't open display:
09:10<Dirk> Set DISPLAY environment variable, use -display option
09:10<Dirk> or check permissions of your X-Server
09:10<Dirk> (See "man X" resp. "man xhost" for details)
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09:10<valdyn>Dirk: why dont you read what dpkg said?
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09:10<Dirk>this is the message I get, starting ooo.
09:11<valdyn>Dirk: yea, thats to be expected
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09:11<Dirk>I don't want to use openoffice like I use Word on my Windows PC - open it, write anything.
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09:12<Dirk>I need ooo to listen on a port, then I send an array with values to the ooo that opens a template (odt) file automatically and replaces fields in this template by the values of the array.
09:12<Dirk>I don't need to see any GUI or whatever, while ooo is doing this.
09:12<Dirk>This is just a "process" running in the background.
09:12<valdyn>Dirk: i dont know if ooo can be started without a GUI
09:12<Dirk>But I need to get ooo run.
09:12<valdyn>Dirk: if I understand you correctly, you want to start in a vnc X server
09:12<Dirk>Yes, and that's my problem, so I'm looking for a thin GUI ;)
09:13<valdyn>Dirk: that way it would be a persistent X Server without a local display
09:13<Dirk>With VNC you mean my VServer? I'm sorry, I'm not that pro debian/linux user.
09:13<valdyn>Dirk: ( but still accessible via vnc )
09:13<valdyn>Dirk: vnc is something like rdesktop
09:14<valdyn>Dirk: a remote display protocol
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09:14<Dirk>Ah, ok. Sorry! I knew VNC from Windows, but thought, it would be something else under Derbian/Linux...
09:14<valdyn>Dirk: *BUT* Xvncserver offers *only* the remote desktop, no local desktop
09:15<Dirk>But in my mind, I don't need it, because I don't want to access the remote desktop anyway. I only want to start ooo from the shell.
09:15<valdyn>Dirk: vnc on windows mirrors your local desktop
09:15<valdyn>Dirk: Xvncserver does not mirror a local desktop, its its own desktop - thats what you want
09:15<Dirk>no?! I enter an IP and access the desktop of the computer of that IP?!
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09:15<valdyn>Dirk: no
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09:15<Dirk>hmm, ok.
09:15<valdyn>Dirk: thats possible, but thats not what you want
09:16<valdyn>Dirk: try it and see
09:17<Dirk>with this message I wanted to say, that I enter an IP in windows and get the desktop of this windows PC under the given IP - so I can remote control the pc (perhaps placed in Istanbul) from my pc (placed in Germany).
09:17<valdyn>Dirk: i understand you perfectly well
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09:17<Dirk>hmm, ok.
09:17<Dirk>Okay, let me ask another way:
09:17<Dirk>If I install KDE, for example
09:18<valdyn>Dirk: My suggestion enables you to have an X server on the desktop, that runs openoffice, but that desktop is only accessible via vnc, not via local display
09:19<Dirk>Do I have to run KDE, press "START"-button (I don't know, if that's its name), open the shell and enter soffice "-accept=..." or do I just have to install KDE and than I'm able to run ooo from the shell (without GUI)?
09:19<Dirk>ah, ok. I see.
09:20<Dirk>If anyone goes into the "Rechenzentrum" (the place the server is hosted) and puts a monitor on the server, he cannot access the x server?!
09:20<valdyn>Dirk: right
09:20<valdyn>Dirk: it doesnt even need to have a gfx card
09:21<Dirk>ah, ok.
09:21<valdyn>Dirk: you have no debian at home?
09:21<valdyn>Dirk: i mean, no computer running debian at home?
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09:21<Dirk>I have a VMWare, but the VServer I'm running is placed in cologne at at hoster.
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09:21<valdyn>Dirk: ok, install and run a vnc server at that server in cologne
09:21<Dirk>The VMWare is on my laptop, but I didn't try to run ooo on that.
09:22<valdyn>Dirk: packages like tightvncserver
09:22<valdyn>Dirk: then use any vnc client to connect to it, you will understand
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09:22<Dirk>does this slow down my system?
09:22<valdyn>Dirk: like any other program
09:23<Dirk>I have 2 GB RAM granted and up to 4 GB dynamically
09:23<valdyn>Dirk: thats plenty
09:23<Dirk>As of the starting of (soffice -accept, etc. ), you need to launch it from a X Session (kde or gnome for example).
09:23<Dirk>This command you acctually start openoffice text editor, but accepting connections. You can try using a vnc server, but for now I
09:23<Dirk>would recommend that you keep the visual editor open, so you can better debug what is going on.
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09:24<Dirk>This is the mail of the developer of UNO or PUNO (that's the way to access ooo documents via PHP, Java,...).
09:24<valdyn>Dirk: you dont need kde nor gnome, thats just the 2 largest examples
09:24<Dirk>He tells me not to use a vnc.
09:24<Dirk>ah, ok.
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09:24<valdyn>Dirk: he sais that its harder to debug ( which it might be for you since i dont know your "visual editor" )
09:25<Dirk>Sorry, for asking such stupid questions, but I have only the basic experiences and fear, to shoot up my VServer, if I do anything wrong ;)
09:25<Dirk>Ah, ok. Because this editor is not open.
09:25<Torsten_W>with only basic experiences, you should not run an vserver
09:26<valdyn>Dirk: vnc like i explained or something equivalent if it exists is the only solution possible
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09:26<valdyn>Dirk: unless you manage to run *without* an X DISPLAY, which is probably not possible
09:26<Dirk>I'm not sure, because I never ran PUNO on Linux yet and on Windows programming it worked quite fine (I'm software developer). So I think there are logs written by PUNO that I will understand.
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09:27<valdyn>Dirk: the other solution is probably Xvfb, but thats harder to setup and debug
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09:28<valdyn>( it doesnt really offer significantly different features )
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09:28<Dirk>Thorsten_W: Yes, I think so too, but these basic experiences are enough to run it, install packages, close security "lacks",... but not for things like vnc x server,... Because I never did anything with it.
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09:30<valdyn>Dirk: read :
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09:33<valdyn>question is why anyone would need this for pdf
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09:34<valdyn>Dirk: windows can print to cupsys pdf printer just fine, without
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09:35<Dirk>Ok, I tell you an example
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09:36<Dirk>I'm in a club (Supporters Club) with some 1.000 members. Now, we have not only people from my hometown, becoming a member, so we would like them to give the possibility to become a member, filling out a form on our homepage, confirming an email and therefore retreiving this pdf file via email.
09:38<Dirk>The big problems are
09:38<Dirk>a) let them just print a blank pdf and fill it by hand, you cannot read 90% of the things they write correctly
09:38<Dirk>b) just let them print a html page, you have the problem, you cannot book the membership money from the bank, because they want the debits on a special document.
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09:39<Dirk>So, you can create this documents by ooo - place perhaps pictures where ever you want and place the texts where you want to. With so called fields (place holders) you can say "here comes text that is out of the form".
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09:40<valdyn>I see
09:40<Dirk>At work, we did this some years ago using a java lib, where you had to use coordinates to place text, pictures,... and this is quite "stupid"/difficult/what so ever.
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09:41<Dirk>so, person (no experiences in programming) can give me a document as .ODT file and I upload it, create an array and the document is created out of this.
09:43<Dirk>ok, perhaps it's not that necessary and more a kind of playing around, but I find it a good solution and would like to try it. If it's tooo slow or I think another solution is better in one or two years, I change again. This page/server is for my/our club on the one hand, but it's also a kind of hobby for me ;)
09:43<Dirk>May I ask you a (hopefully) last question: tightvncserver is secure and you would recommend it?
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09:46<deanet>anyone knows how to set dpi on aspire one aod255 on kde 4 ?
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09:47<speedvin>deanet: I think in kde settings in display section
09:48<deanet>i was trying dpi 195 113
09:48<deanet>but not succesfully
09:49<deanet>i can't enter gui
09:49<speedvin>deanet: 195?
09:49<deanet>just login after kdm
09:49<speedvin>deanet: try 96
09:49<deanet>and fail back to kdm again
09:50<speedvin>deanet: or 128
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09:51<deanet>what's mode number on DisplaySize on "Monitor" section xorg ?
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10:11<Dirk>valdyn: I installed tightvncserver, could connect, but now I only see a grey desktop.
10:12<Dirk>what to do now to run my ooo?
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10:25<dominick>Hi! I'm a Java Developer who has migrated to using free software (in debian). I am looking for a free alternative for an Entity Relationship Modelling Software (To create Database Models). Google didn't help me much! Any suggestions?
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10:30<bja>dominick: If my memory serves me right there is a program called db arquitecht or similar that can give you a hand.
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10:49<hxm>after install nxserver i get this error
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10:51<babilen>hxm: What is nxserver?
10:51<bja>hxm: ok you have to follow the instructions on the nomachine site
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10:51<hxm>is a server that lets you open a X session trought ssh
10:51<bja>babilen: a virtual desktop conection over ssh
10:51<hxm>bja, i unnistalled it
10:51<hxm>the problem is the insserv that i dont find documentation
10:52<babilen>Is nxserver available in Debian? I am unfortunately not able to find it
10:52<r0ger>does it work on a headless server?
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10:52<hxm>there are some deb files to
10:52<bja>hxm: there are some isues with nxservers on squeeze. You might need to wait for the package to be released for squeeze
10:52<bja>which are for lenny
10:52<hxm>ah, hm
10:53<bja>r0ger: it does need an Xserver of some kind
10:53<babilen>hxm: You installed third party Debian packages? Well, it seems as if their LSB headers are broken, which causes the dependency cycles
10:53<bja>it might be tightvnc or whatever you feel like
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10:53<hxm>is more like terminal server
10:54<hxm>babilen, i will
10:54<hxm>maybe i didnt unnistall al parts
10:54<babilen>!tell hxm -about lsb tags
10:54<bja>hxm: btw you have to intall the client first, then the nodes and finally the server
10:54<babilen>hxm: Make sure that you purge the package
10:54<r0ger>so if i were to install an x server on my headless box nxserver could let me manage it via ssh like i was sitting at the machine?
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10:55<bja>r0ger: you would have X acces to your server
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10:55<bja>r0ger: you have to take also think that your ssh setup is going to change a little
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10:56<hxm>no it doesnt, nx client open a ssh connection, and somehow, executes the X session
10:56<hxm>but ssh works as usual
10:56<hxm>personally i think nx should be integrated in linux
10:57<bja>hxm: Convince them to release their source code as GPL ;P
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10:58<hxm>a GPL clone of nx could be estimated as well
11:00<bja>hxm: If my memory serves me right nx started as a GPL proyect, but since it had pretty good demand they opted for a different schema to make some money. You can't blame them.
11:01<hxm>i dont, there is a free version though
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11:02<redbullfx>hey everyone
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11:03<redbullfx>im on the debian website, and trying to download a 32bit lenny version, so i can install it. But there are cds 1 - 30 or so. Whats the deal?
11:03<redbullfx>all 32 bit versions
11:04<f8l>redbullfx: You only need the first one if you have Internet connection on target machine.
11:04<dpkg>rumour has it, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>.
11:04<f8l>redbullfx: It's even better to use netinst it that case.
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11:26<nilugekiw>Hi, I'm on debian unstable and just updated my system then rebooted. Now gnome-panel segfaults: ; nautilus too:
11:26<dpkg>( The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! )
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11:28<nilugekiw>so I just have to wait & pray?
11:32<ompaul>nilugekiw: you did dist-upgrade not just upgrade I hope if you are doing unstable, if that fails you can hack a solution or wait
11:32<coredump>nilugekiw, kinda. You can get the source package, find the bug, fix it and submit a patch too :)
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11:33<nilugekiw>ompaul: I updated using aptitude : u U g g as usual
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11:39<nilugekiw>coredump: it seems more related to gtk than to gnome-panel, but I didn't updated any *gtk* except libgtkhtml* which doesn't seem related
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11:48<ompaul>nilugekiw: just for kicks apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade cos what you did does not look like: aptitude full-upgrade but as I don't use aptitude on a day to day basis I can't comment
11:49<nilugekiw>i dont think the issue comes from aptitude here
11:49<nilugekiw>I'm trying to find the bug in libgtk2.0 now
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11:49<ompaul>if it forgot to "pick" something up on the way in
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11:52<nilugekiw>ok i tried, it didn't install anything
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11:53<ompaul>nilugekiw: ack
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11:58<speedvin>Can I find lotus symfony in repo?
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12:00<EmleyMoor>speedvin: I wouldn't think so
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12:01<speedvin>EmleyMoor: why?
12:02<EmleyMoor>Because, unless I'm very much mistaken, it wouldn't be allowed anyway
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12:02<speedvin>EmleyMoor: because it has non-free license?
12:03<EmleyMoor>It wouldn't even be in non-free - and anyway, I'm not so sure it even exists for Linux
12:03<speedvin>EmleyMoor: it is
12:04<speedvin>EmleyMoor: even there are packages for ubuntu now
12:04<bremner>yes, but are they in Ubuntu main?
12:04<nilugekiw>ok, so if it can help: installing libgtk2.0-0-dbg showed me that all crashes happened in gtk_icon_cache*, I reinstalled gnome-icon-theme and now it works again! similar to this:
12:04<bremner>or whatever it is called.
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12:07<speedvin>bremner: no for now I think
12:07<speedvin>but I mean non-free section
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12:09<bremner>!tell speedvin -about wnpp
12:10<bremner>speedvin: see privmsg for a hint, but note that non-free packages are not a priority for most packagers.
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12:11<speedvin>bremner: ok thanks!
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12:19<EmleyMoor>Anyone familiar with OpenOffice Calc? I want to reverse a bunch of rows
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12:22<rodolgofo>hi , i m trying hdmi for the first time on debian but aplay -l do not show me any nvidia card
12:22<rodolgofo>video is working fine
12:23<rodolgofo>does anybody have any advice / tuto thanks
12:26<speedvin>rodolgofo: tried using nvidia-settings?
12:26<rodolgofo>speedvin: yes i do not have an audio setting in it
12:26<rodolgofo>i m using the squeeze driver
12:27<rodolgofo>have to go for 20 minutes
12:27<themill>EmleyMoor: "reverse"?
12:28<EmleyMoor>Change their order so they read as would have been bottom to top
12:28<themill>EmleyMoor: sort them -- add a temporary column if necessary
12:29<EmleyMoor>Had come to that conclusion about the same time - thanks anyway
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12:31<yopispo>hi all
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13:06<spikey>hello, someone has gone through difficulties to convert fields time_stamp
13:06<spikey>to datetime in mysql-server-5.0?
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13:07<spikey>from what I saw, this is an bug in mysql:
13:07<jordanm>spikey: probably better luck with #mysql on freenode
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13:09<spikey>jordanm, thanks! the second bug report mysql, I thought it was something in the version, because in the normal functions Squeeze
13:12<jordanm>spikey: 5.1 is available in stable backports
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13:15<spikey>ok, thanks for the help. Will I checked and I will be reporting.
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13:36<mib_l3igkt>could anyone suggest a way of installing squeeze to a single img file in a usb, preferably booting from that same usb
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13:36<redbullfx>hey guys
13:36<redbullfx>can you guys tell me how i find out what type or what driver my network card uses?
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13:36<kop>mib_l3igkt: live-helper?
13:37<kop>redbullfx: pci nic?
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13:37<kop>redbullfx: lspci -nn (as root) will tell you the card and usually the driver
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13:37<redbullfx>thanks Kop
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13:39<Biftor>Hi all
13:40<tufrt>Hello, I have got a short question: I have a small PC which I plan to use as a NAS with Debian. The Processor is 64-bit capable, but I only have 1GB RAM. Should I use Debian-x86 or Debian-x64?
13:40<Biftor>i want using Pidgin but stuck in available for yahoo :(
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13:41<redbullfx>my cousin has 5.1 sound system. everything works.. but the bass doesnt. He has to click over to a different output then click back and the bass works. Everytime he listens to music. Anyone know whats up?
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13:41<supplicant>tufrt: doesn
13:41<supplicant>I would go with amd64
13:41<themill>Biftor: install the version from backports.
13:41<themill>dpkg: tell Biftor about
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13:42<tufrt>supplicant: Thank you. Cool to hear there's no actuel day-to-day-difference between the twos
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13:43<supplicant>since you have a 64bit processor you'll have twice(?) as many registers and stuff will run faster
13:44<rpetre>supplicant: that's a very silly thing to say with a straight face
13:44<supplicant>rpetre: h/o
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13:45<supplicant>damnit, fail
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13:45<supplicant>this is my face .(X[:{D
13:45<rpetre>i was trying to expand that :)
13:46<rpetre>mustached laughing dude with a pirate captain's hat?
13:46<supplicant>rpetre: go on, educate me
13:46<supplicant>rpetre: damn, you're good
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13:47<rpetre>re: 64bit and registers, i'm pretty certain that this is such a blatant simplification that it's just plain wrong
13:49<mAniAk->tufrt: you could try and install 64bit and see how much memory its using
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13:49<f8l>tufrt: I have 1G RAM and a 64-bit system. Some programs consume more RAM then on 32, but if you don't do anything heavy 64-bit may be qucker.
13:49<Biftor>i want using Pidgin but stuck in available for yahoo :(
13:49<supplicant>Biftor: what is your native language?
13:50<supplicant>that wasn't English
13:50<rpetre> - for instance
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13:50<f8l>tufrt: Full XFCE with lots of panels and applets + Pidgin + Weechat in Terminal = ~ 300M of RAM.
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13:50*IsC 's native language is baby noises
13:51<supplicant>rpetre: so do I lose or win?
13:51<Biftor>my yahoomessenger stuck in login
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13:51<supplicant>also, I've managed to somehow screw up the superblock on my 3TB array, recovering from this is going to be fun
13:51<rpetre>supplicant: you lose. it wasn't even a contest :)
13:52<supplicant>!pie rpetre
13:52*dpkg hits supplicant in the face with a cream pie
13:52<supplicant>!beer supplicant
13:52*dpkg pours a pint of Delirium Tremens for supplicant
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13:52<IsC>a beer cream pie would be more efficient
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13:53<Biftor>my yahoomessenger stuck in login? any one can help me ?
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13:53<supplicant>Biftor: stuck like how? take a screenshot
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13:54<slurb>64bit is less software, more bugs, bigger hog
13:54<Biftor>supplicant : looking in login
13:54<slurb>i switched to 32bit and am very pleased
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13:57<supplicant>alright now I need help: e2fsck: Bad magic number in super-block
13:57<supplicant>how badly am I screwed?
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13:58<rpetre>supplicant: try using a backup copy ( i think -b 8193 is the standard location)
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13:59<supplicant>rpetre: nah, none of the backup superblocks work
13:59<supplicant>I blame grub
13:59<rpetre>supplicant: then maybe it's an alignment problem
14:00<slurb>supplicant, i would try renaming all of them and see if a new one is created
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14:01<supplicant>slurb: rename? I'm just trying to recover the data
14:01<supplicant>or not "just"
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14:01<slurb>i must be misunderstood
14:02<supplicant>yes, I'm sure that is the case as I am unfamliar with all this
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14:05<f8l>supplicant: If everything fails I recommend using testdisk to get the partition back, and photorec to recover the data if it'll not help.
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14:06<slurb>supplicant, Maybe you have created a partition there and your data resides on that partition, and you would have to mount /dev/hdc1 or /dev/hdc2 instead...
14:07<supplicant>f8l: yeah, that's probbably what's going to happen
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14:08<f8l>supplicant: Don't do anything unplanned. It's sometimes possible to get out of heavy data loss troubles.
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14:09<slurb>not a debian specific page but i think it offers a solution
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14:09<rohan>can i get the latest kde (4.5.x) packages on squeeze? will the packages work on squeeze?
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14:12<supplicant>f8l: unplanned?
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14:12<jordanm>rohan: you can try, but note those packages will be targetting wheezy, not squeeze
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14:13<rohan>jordanm: yes i just read that.. so it will lead to a major world of pain
14:13<f8l>supplicant: Yes, try to make up a plan what do do to recover the partition, and then revise it, maybe consult with someone...
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14:14<f8l>supplicant: This is the way I got out of serious disk troubles. I don't guarantee it's effective.
14:15<supplicant>ok, I'm going to try and recover the data onto a backup disk, then put together a plan
14:15<supplicant>I guarantee I'll be back
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14:20<TomassoSK>Hi all, pls can somebody help me why the command: xfce4-terminal -H -x apt-get -u -y upgrade, is not working
14:21<TomassoSK>I am using apt-watch and I want to upgrade packages from it by using xfce4-terminal
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14:32<jordanm>TomassoSK: try -e
14:32<jordanm>!tell TomassoSK about why aptitude
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14:34<supplicant>if I have a 3TB array can I install the OS on it?
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14:40<f8l>supplicant: If the file system you're trying to install supports such arrays.
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14:41<IsC>i'm inclined to observe the KISS rule for OS drives
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14:41<TomassoSK> xfce4-terminal -x aptitude upgrade is working fine
14:43<jordanm>TomassoSK: ok, but did you try my suggestion? what exactly is not working about it?
14:43<supplicant>f8l: it would be ext3 over hardware raid (3ware 9500S-12)
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14:43<supplicant>is there anything special I need to do to get everything to boot ok?
14:44<jordanm>supplicant: no, shouldn't with hardware raid
14:44<supplicant>well at 3TB I would have to use GPT, yes? i.e. not an msdos label
14:44<supplicant>or I am just talkiong nonsense
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14:45<jordanm>yes, 2.2 is the limitation otherwise
14:45<supplicant>thought so. and one can boot a disk with GPT?
14:45<jordanm>supplicant: but I believe that is only if you want a single partition to be > 2.2tb
14:46<jordanm>supplicant: actually not sure, I would check for info in the install guide
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14:47<TomassoSK>jordam: I wanted to upgrade my system from apt-watch by using xfce4-terminal with apt-get upgrade command, but it stops and doesnt upgrade my system, with aptitude is it working
14:47<mihkel_>Hi. I have a rather lenghty question. So I wrote it there
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14:48<jordanm>TomassoSK: stops where? why not use aptitude, the recommended tool for upgrading anyways?
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14:49<supplicant>jordanm: do you know where? I will try to just let the installer DTRT
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14:49<supplicant>but I can't find any documentation on it
14:50<TomassoSK>jordam: I never used aptitude before :D, when I used Debian first time I learnd all basic command from apt, I never needed aptitude :)
14:50<jordanm>mihkel_: dmesg and syslog are two different logging mechanisms. things used by syslog is when the application uses syslog(). dmesg prints the kernel ring buffer, which is generated by the kernel, not iptables using syslog()
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14:50<jordanm>mihkel_: there is no "fix", because it is normal
14:51<mihkel_>jordanm, ok thanks
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14:53<jordanm>!tell supplicant about install guide
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14:56<supplicant>jordanm: I'm reading the guide, that doesn't mean I see it ;)
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14:59<jordanm>supplicant: a quick google indicates it will require grub2
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15:01<supplicant>gay. I don't need all the space anyway
15:01<supplicant>sorry about that
15:02<jordanm>grub2 is availabe in lenny, but you may need to install it manually outside of installation. i have never tried
15:02<supplicant>also, link?
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15:04<jordanm>apparently the macbooks use gpt
15:06<supplicant>jordanm: macbooks probably use EFI
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15:11<jordanm>supplicant: wikipedia indicates that something seperate, and EFI supports both MBR and GPT partitioning
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15:14<supplicant>jordanm: interesting
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15:26<swistak35_>soory : P
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16:10<zecapoeiraz>pode crer
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16:26<dpkg>alessio: VATTENE VIA!
16:27<dpkg>alessio: VATTENE VIA!
16:28<themill>alessio: no warez here.
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16:30<supplicant>what was that?
16:30<IsC>someone who apparently has no clue what Debian is. ;)
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16:45<newman555>Hi! Can someone please help with ATI graphic card problem and X11?
16:45<dpkg>To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <radeonhd>, <fglrx>. See also <radeon vs radeonhd>. Installing proprietary drivers from (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (
16:45<babilen>newman555: Sure, what is the problem?
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16:47<newman555>babline: I followed those simple instructions, installerd fglrx, edited xorg.conf and when I put "Driver fglrx" in xorf.conf, X11 wont load, it says that there is no device
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16:48<babilen>newman555: Try typing "bab<TAB>" ;)
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16:49<babilen>newman555: Apart from that … Could you paste /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log to please?
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16:50<newman555>babilen: sure, just a second
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16:50<babilen>newman555: Take sure time
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16:52<mike1>installed alfresco CMS on a server fresh install. can view it via intranet but not via WAN (port 8080 is opened for it) any ideas?
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16:52<bremner>mike1: I guess ask the people you got the package from? Or is it part of Debian?
16:55<newman555>babilen: and
16:55<babilen>newman555: Thank you
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16:59<babilen>newman555: It might help if you uncomment the 'Driver "fglrx"' line and paste the according Xorg.0.log (the one you pasted uses VESA and has no problem) -- I would also like to add, that the "radeon" driver works like a charm and does 3D accleration as well.
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17:01<babilen>newman555: Any specific reason why you are using the proprietary driver?
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17:01<newman555>babilen: yeah, I figured this wont be really ok, give me a second, I'll have to signout and copy the log somewhere.
17:01<babilen>!tell newman555 -about pastebinit
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17:02<newman555>babilen: No, actually. do you think I should first try with radeon?
17:02<babilen>newman555: Install pastebinit and run "pastebinit -b /var/log/Xorg.0.log" from a console (if you don't have X with fglrx)
17:02<newman555>babilen: ok, will do!
17:02<babilen>newman555: I would actually try radeon. It works perfectly over here (but fglrx did as well)
17:03<babilen>newman555: It is basically up to you. :)
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17:03<guiritter>help, can't install debian; trying from usb stick but it can't find my ethernet
17:04<newman555>babilen: ok, I'll try to install radeon driver and if you're here still, I'll let you know about results, or give you the log...
17:04<babilen>newman555: Also make sure that you unload the "radeon" and "drm" modules when you use fglrx (modprobe -r radeon drm)
17:04<babilen>newman555: Alright -- If I'm not around ask someone else or try the (busier) channel over at freenode
17:04<newman555>babilen: ok, thanks.
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17:05<babilen>!tell newman555 -about radeon
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17:05<babilen>newman555: That should get you started ;)
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17:07<newman555>babilen: that's for fglrx? that's the one I used before...what about radeon?
17:08<babilen>newman555: You should have received a private message from dpkg …
17:08<dpkg>[radeon] A brand of graphic processing units by ATI ( Xorg driver packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration; Squeeze users, ask me about <radeon firmware>. See also <radeonhd>, <fglrx>. #radeon on
17:08<babilen>newman555: ^^^^
17:08<newman555>babilen: :)
17:09<babilen>newman555: Which version of Debian do you use?
17:10<newman555>babilen: 5.0.6
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17:22<newman555>babilen: no luck with radeon. here's the log and xorg.conf: and
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17:25<javier>#join madrid
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17:28<babilen>newman555: Ah, you might have to add a 'Device "Device0"' to the "Screen" section -- You also had a typo in there (Configure Monitor)
17:29<newman555>babilen: ah! will try again...
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17:33<babilen>newman555: And I would remove the default depth -- I would actually try without an xorg.conf at all (just move it somewhere else) -- Note that I also have a PCIID in my xorg.conf. You might want to run "dpkg-reconfige xserver-xorg" to generate a new xorg.xonf and we can take it from there. I am currently using:
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17:34<babilen>Ah, too late :)
17:35<curt>i love today
17:35<curt>great day
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17:36<newman555>babilen: still nothing.
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17:39<babilen>newman555: And I would remove the default depth -- I would actually try without an xorg.conf at all (just move it somewhere else) -- You might want to run "dpkg-reconfige xserver-xorg" to generate a new xorg.conf and we can take it from there. I am currently using:
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17:40<babilen>newman555: Sended you that before, but you were gone already. You could also use a console client like irssi in a console, so you don't have to logout all the time :)
17:40<babilen>ah, make that "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
17:41<newman555>babilen: :) I agree...
17:42<babilen>newman555: And you are missing a "ServerLayout" section -- Just try it without a xorg.conf (it might just work)
17:42<newman555>babilen: I will try it withou, then I'll try dpkg-reconfigure...but before that I will install irssi :)
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17:53<newman555>babilen: after using dpkg-reconfigure X11 starts, but there is no radeon or fglrx in the file. I also tried your file, but that doesn't work.
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17:56<jordanm>newman555: if you are trying to configure for fglrx, use aticonfig --initial
17:56<newman555>jordanm: ok. will try
17:56<babilen>newman555: My file was never meant to subsitute yours. Are you working on fglrx or radeon now?
17:57<babilen>newman555: And you said that X starts and works after dpkg-reconfigure -- which driver is it using now? (a look into the log will tell you)
17:57<babilen>newman555: You really have to decide if you want to use radeon or fglrx :)
17:58<newman555>babilen: I know, I just changed the part that I tought I needed.
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17:59<newman555>babilen: ok, but when using dpkg-reconfigure the xorg.conf that is generated has Device identifier "Configured Video Device"
17:59<newman555>babilen: let me check the log...
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18:00<dbldtx>(squeeze\testing) contains but I require the 0.82 version contained in Experimental. Unstable has the same unusable 0.81 issue.
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18:01<dbldtx>I have just learnt that #debian does NOT support experimental. Good day all the same.
18:01<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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18:02<supplicant>dude must be high
18:02<newman555>babilen: please take a look at This is the one with generic config after dpkg-reconfigure
18:03<supplicant>dbldtx: what are you on about?
18:03<jordanm>dbldtx: the bts does support experimental
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18:04<dbldtx>supplicant; Currently Googling for a fix - basically I just want to install one package and it's dependencies from Experimental repo. WHat's it called when you do that?
18:04<jordanm>!tell dbldtx about ssb
18:06<babilen>newman555: Yeah, that is using VESA now -- Have you tried substituting "vesa" with "radeon" (and you have installed xserver-xorg-video-radeon and libgl1-mesa-dri or?)
18:06<dbldtx>jordanm; Seemed strange to me as I figured I would be needing a "forwardport" (to get a package from Experimental while on Testing) rather than a backport. SSB may be just what I'm looking for. Thanks.
18:07<jordanm>dbldtx: forward port would be more of a stable package in testing
18:07<newman555>babilen: Installed those two. Supstituting where? xorg.conf? :)
18:07<babilen>newman555: Also make sure that the "radeon" and "dri" modules are loaded when you use radeon (if you have removed them before) "modprobe radeon dri"
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18:08<newman555>babilen: I haven't removed them so far...
18:08<msr>anyone know a simple way to set the io prio (ionice) of the gnome session? i want to so it will set the default io prio of all sub-jobs.)
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18:08<babilen>newman555: yeah, in xorg.conf
18:09<babilen>newman555: paste the file if you are unsure
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18:09<newman555>babilen: there is no "vesa" in xorg.conf. I will paste the file...let me see if I remember the command... :)
18:10<babilen>newman555: pastebinit -b FILE
18:11<newman555>babilen: I knew that... :))
18:11<jordanm>babilen: pastebinit was fixed in the last point release
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18:12<babilen>jordanm: Hooray :)
18:12<newman555>babilen: it says "Uknown website"
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18:14<newman555>babilen: btw, I'd use either radeon or fglrx, anything other than VESA because performance with this driver is...rather poor.
18:15<newman555>babilen: what's up with "pastebin -b ..." it doesn't seem to work.
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18:16<newman555>babilen: "pastebinit -b..."
18:16<babilen>old pastebinit version
18:16<babilen>what was the fix jordanm?
18:16<babilen>newman555: just call it without the "-b htt…"
18:17*babilen might go to bed soon :)
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18:18<newman555>babilen: I logged to the
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18:18<newman555>babilen: btw, don't bother... :) I'll figure it out eventually...or reinstall the whole thing...
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18:40<TomassoSK>Hi all, I have serious problem: fb: conflicting fb hw usage nouveaufb, how can I fix it?
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18:43<TomassoSK>I have blacklisted module vesafb but it is not working
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19:15<Prins>Hi. Would I be correct if I said that sun-java6-jre is the newest version of the java runtime environment for debian?
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19:21<Dominus>Ohai. I get this error message when running a server .jar script "Java HotSpot(TM) Server VM warning: Exception java.lang.OutOfMemoryError occurred dispatching signal SIGTERM to handler- the VM may need to be forcibly terminated"
19:22<Dominus>I figured it's because it doesn't have enough memory. But I set -Xmx1024M -Xms1024M and I have a total of 2048MB RAM available and about 1900 MB free
19:22<Dominus>What am I doing wrong?
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19:22<jordanm>judd: versions e17
19:22<judd>Package e17 on i386 -- sid: 0.16.999.49898-1
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19:23<Dominus>Was that directed at me?
19:23<blarson>Dominus: using java :-(
19:23<Dominus>blarson: what?
19:23<blarson>what you are doing wrong. (just me being silly)
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19:24<Dominus>Ohh. Now I get it :D
19:24<Dominus>Is it possible to expand how much memory java can use?
19:24<bremner>Dominus: isn't it just as likely a bug in the java application?
19:25<OddTod>hey guys i think i'm having an issue with PHP. I installed apache 2, PHP5, libapache2-mod-php5, wordpress.
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19:25<Dominus>It works on my mac and another server, but not this newly created one
19:25<bremner>different versions of java?
19:25<Dominus>OddTod: Nice explanation of your problem.
19:25<Dominus>brewmner. I'll go check :b
19:25<bremner>blarson: I think OddTod needs your advice :)
19:26<OddTod>hey guys i think i'm having an issue with PHP. I installed apache 2, PHP5, libapache2-mod-php5, wordpress. when i try to access the php files from word press it shows they aren't their doesn't seem to be a permmissions issue cause if i point to an html file it inside the dir it works fine. sorry for the multiple posts just hit enter at the wrong time.
19:26<Dominus>nope. exactly the same version
19:26<supplicant>Dominus: ulimit?
19:26<Dominus>supplicant: What is that? :)
19:26<OddTod>Dominus: sorry enter happy i suppose
19:27<Dominus>OddTod: Np :b
19:27<supplicant>I wonder if dpkg knows
19:27<Dominus>He didn't ^^
19:27<Dominus>[01.27] <Dominus> ulimit
19:27<Dominus>[01.27] <dpkg> are you smoking crack?, Dominus
19:28<supplicant>you should also try Xss to adjust stack size
19:28<OddTod>well are you smoking crack?
19:28<bremner>OddTod: easy, you are here to get help, not piss people off, remember?
19:28<Dominus>Xss be?
19:28<supplicant>Dominus: how long before it runs out of memory? does jconsole give you anything?
19:28<bremner>oh, I missed the dpkg joke, sorry
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19:29<supplicant>Xss is the maximum stack size
19:29<Dominus>supplicant: please, speak in linux-nub terms. I am a linux idiot. still trying to learn unix, but it's quite complicated
19:29<OddTod>Bremner; its cool i was like man i was just playing off the bot's joke.
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19:29<bremner>OddTod: yeah, I thought you were going postal ;)
19:29<supplicant>ulimit specifies limits on user resources
19:29<supplicant>one of them is stack size
19:30<supplicant>stack size is the amount of memory consumed by an application's call stack, which is "stack" of nested function calls
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19:31<bremner>OddTod: /msg dpkg php, and follow a few of the other snippets it mentions like <php wants me to download still>
19:31<Dominus>supplicant: umm..
19:31<Dominus>supplicant: I tried a couple of commands with ulimit. I don't get it
19:32<supplicant>just run `ulimit unlimited`
19:32<supplicant>also jconsole is this:
19:34<Dominus>it still gives the error :(
19:35<Dominus>supplicant: I can't use graphical apps
19:35<Dominus>It's running over an ssh connection
19:35<supplicant>what is the program?
19:35<Dominus>It's commandline only
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19:36<supplicant>also are you sure about the memory available on the machine? paste the output from `cat /proc/meminfo`
19:36<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <>, <wgetpaste>.
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19:38<supplicant>and `ulimit` by itself returns unlimited?
19:38<supplicant>and again, what application/program is this? something custom?>
19:38<Dominus>It's a Minecraft server.
19:39<Dominus>I've used the exact same piece of software (it's one file) on both my mac and a server. Now I tried it on this server, and it doesn't work
19:39<supplicant>how long before it crashes when you start it?
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19:41<Dominus>It's about 5 seconds after start
19:44<supplicant>can you run `top -d 0.1` in a separate terminal? and watch the memory usage as it starts?
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19:45<Dominus>can you explain me why it should be -d 0.1 after top?
19:45<Dominus>just to understand it better
19:45<Dominus>for later use
19:45<supplicant>-d sets the refresh delay
19:46<supplicant>you could also start top and press d to set the delay interactively
19:46<supplicant>in the form of ss=seconds tt=tenths
19:46<supplicant>man top
19:47<Dominus>it's running now
19:48<Dominus>and top looks like this
19:49<supplicant>yes, now start the server and watch for the memory usage of java or jvm or whatever
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19:50<OddTod>minecraft is awesome!
19:50<Dominus>It definitely is, OddTod :)
19:50<Dominus>I will, supplicant
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19:52<Dominus>supplicant: it uses around 1000-1200M of memory
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19:52<Dominus>but it doesn't get killed anymore
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19:52<supplicant>that makes little to no sense, maybe you had already started another instance of the minecraft server or something?
19:52<supplicant>ps -ef | grep java
19:53<supplicant>should tell you what else is running with java
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19:53<Dominus>ok, one sec
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19:54<Dominus>It shows just the java server, and the grep java command
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19:57<supplicant>Dominus: when top is open type M
19:57<supplicant>just capital M by itself
19:57<supplicant>that will sort by memory
19:57<supplicant>what is eating all your memory?
19:57<supplicant>your pasted output from top shows only like 700MB free
19:58<Dominus>Java uses 1250m
19:58<Dominus>else it's just a lot of small-amounts
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19:58<supplicant>alright well it's working, yes?
19:58<Dominus>Yes, it is
19:58<supplicant>if this happens again come back, but check the things we've gone over
19:58<Dominus>dunno why, don't really care, cause it works :)
19:59<Dominus>Yeah, I will. Thanks a lot :)
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20:00<Dominus>BTW - do you know a lot about 'screen'?
20:00<supplicant>I use screen regularly but I'm not a power user
20:00<supplicant>what is your question?
20:00<Dominus>Do you know how to use the split command?
20:00<Dominus>I have split my window into two halfs
20:01<Dominus>and I don't know how to switch to the lower half
20:01<supplicant>Ctrl-a <TAB>
20:01<Dominus>I knew it was something with TAB :)
20:01<Dominus>Thanks again
20:01<supplicant>tbh, thank you. I'm so bored at the office right now
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20:02<Dominus>hehe, well.. then np ^^
20:02<Dominus>what time is it at you?
20:03<Dominus>OddTod: Do you play minecraft online?
20:03<Dominus>It's evening?
20:03<Dominus>Why do you work that late?
20:03<supplicant>because a server is broken
20:03<supplicant>and I need to fix it
20:03<supplicant>and recovering the data is taking forever
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20:05<OddTod>supplicant: i hate when that happens. I had to move 1.8 teras worth of data off of a broken sever and it took forever
20:05<OddTod>Dominus: no i have never played it online with other people I want to just haven't gotten aroudn to it
20:05<supplicant>OddTod: that
20:05<supplicant>'s what I'm doing right now
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20:06<supplicant>USB1.0 couldn't be any slower
20:06<jhutchins>Hate that, you never know if it's going to be three more minutes or three more hours.
20:06<OddTod>Supplicant: my work used a Netapp(linux piece of crap) and recovering the data was a nightmare. USB 1.0 is terrible
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20:07<OddTod>supplicant: why can't you use ethernet?
20:07<jhutchins>USB 1.0 is "Damnit I'll just yank the drive and put it on the controller!"
20:08<Dominus>supplicant: sounds quite boring tbh :/
20:08<supplicant>jhutchins: it's behind a 12 port raid controller which I have no more of
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20:08<jhutchins>supplicant: Is there a sata/ide port on the system you could use?
20:08<jhutchins>Or is the external the 12 port?
20:08<supplicant>OddTod: because I have no where to put it
20:09<supplicant>it's a 3ware 9500S-12
20:09<jhutchins>It appears a problem at is blocking from here this evening.
20:09<supplicant>there are sata ports on the mobo
20:09<OddTod>Supplicant: that is crap. Hopefully hulu has you set for the evening
20:09<jhutchins>On the .26 kernel xsane sees my scanner just fine, on the .32 from lenny backports it can't find it. Bugreport against the kernel, right?
20:10<supplicant>OddTod: oh it gets even better: I have no headphones here, and no speakers
20:10<supplicant>jhutchins: doesn't see like how? what does dmesg show when you connect the scanner
20:10<Dominus>supplicant: When I create a new split (Ctrl+a - S) and go to it with Ctrl + A - TAB, then I can't write in it. Why?
20:11<OddTod>supplicant: stop working for the Iranian gov't
20:11<supplicant>because ctrl+s pauses terminal output
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20:11<supplicant>press ctrl+q to get it started again
20:11<supplicant>OddTod: they probably pay better
20:12<Dominus>supplicant: ctrl+q doesn't work
20:12<Dominus>and it's only the lower split (the one that's created)
20:12<OddTod>Supplicant: what kind of company is it?
20:13<supplicant>we make automated, customizable advertising solutions
20:13<jhutchins>supplicant: When xsane starts, it "scans for devices". Under .26 it sees the scanner. Under .32 it says "no devices found".
20:13<Dominus>supplicant: and btw, it's not ctrl+s , it's ctrl+a then shift+s
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20:13<supplicant>jhutchins: is xsane the same version?
20:14<supplicant>what does lsusb give?
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20:14<jhutchins>supplicant: Only difference is rebooting with a different kernel.
20:14<tmroland>how do i edit my xfce menu using a gui tool?
20:14<jhutchins>supplicant: I doubt it would show a SCSI scanner.
20:15<jhutchins>However, the card does see it, and xsane sees it reliably on .26.
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20:15<jhutchins>Ok, backports bugreports go to the backports mailing list, which I'm apparently not subscribed to yet, so ...
20:16<jhutchins>I'm'o go get me a beer.
20:16<OddTod>i was thinking the other day how sweet it would be if you could download the netinstall version of debian and it would download from the torrents instead of one media server
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20:18<supplicant>Dominus: not sure
20:18<supplicant>I don't really use split screen
20:18<icebrain>OddTod: it could be done, but why? Mirrors are plenty and fast
20:18<supplicant>I think it's for other screen sessions
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20:18<Dominus>supplicant: I found out
20:19<supplicant>and what did you find?
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20:19<Dominus>That i have to ctrl+a-<tab> into the window and create a new screen (ctrl+a-c)
20:20<Dominus>window = empty split window
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20:20<Deb>I need some help with a new kernel :) Would someone be as kind as to help me?
20:20<supplicant>Deb: perchance
20:20<supplicant>what is your problem and or question?
20:21<Deb>I just compiled and installed the latest kernel from, but when I restart the server the old kernel boots.
20:22<OddTod>icebrain: load balance.
20:22<supplicant>Deb:have you run grub install?
20:23<icebrain>OddTod: people just balance the load between the mirrors :)
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20:23<Nineain_netbook>hi guys
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20:23<Deb>supplicant : No, I was looking for the bootloader configuration files, but I don't even know which one is currently installed.
20:23<supplicant>err update-grub
20:24<Deb> -bash: update-grub: command not found
20:24<icebrain>!greet Nineain_netbook
20:24<dpkg>Wassup, Nineain_netbook
20:24<Nineain_netbook> ynxcvzºººººªªªºººººº
20:24<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <>, <wgetpaste>.
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20:25<Deb>supplicant : -bash: update-grub: command not found
20:25<supplicant>Deb: yes
20:25<supplicant>you'll need to install the appropriate grub package I think
20:25<supplicant>possibly grub-pc
20:25<supplicant>let me figure out with package actually provides it though
20:25<Deb>supplicant : So I actually have to install a bootloader?
20:26<Deb>Alright, thank you =)
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20:26<supplicant>Deb: you ran that as root, right?
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20:26<Deb>supplicant : Yup!
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20:27<Deb>supplicant : /boot/grub/menu.lst doesn't exist either
20:27<supplicant>Deb: which devian are you running?
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20:28<Deb>supplicant : debian-5.0-x86_64-minimal 2.6.18-164.15.1.el5.028stab068.9
20:29<jordanm>Deb: thats openvz
20:29<supplicant>Deb: what kind of computer is this?
20:29<jordanm>supplicant: its a vps container
20:29<Deb>supplicant : Yea
20:29<Deb>supplicant : It's a vServer
20:30<jordanm>Deb: I don't know what you are trying to do, but with that kind of container you get no control over the kernel or bootloader (there is actually is no bootloader)
20:30<jordanm>atleast, not how you would normally think
20:31<Deb>jordanm : So I am not even able to update the kernel? Is the kernel regulated by the openVZ host?
20:31<jordanm>often those templates are modified to the point you can no longer consider them debian
20:31<jordanm>Deb: the containers do not get their own kernel, you run on the host node's kernel
20:31<jordanm>which is a patched RHEL5 kernel in your case. what is the concern?
20:32<Deb>jordanm : Though I am still able to switch over to Ubuntu, CentOS, etc.
20:32<jordanm>Deb: what are you trying to do?
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20:32<Deb>jordanm : Keep the kernel up to date :D Nothing else.
20:33<jordanm>Deb: ah, so you have a solution in search of a problem
20:33<jordanm>Deb: what do you need from a newer kernel?
20:34<Deb>jordanm : I am currently reading "securing debian" and the book says, that it's recommended to keep the kernel up to date, so that your system remains secure.
20:34<supplicant>how would I get the disk usage of an unmounted drive?
20:35<Deb>jordanm : jordanm : So nothing special.
20:35<Deb>jordanm : I'm just trying to get more familiar with Debian :)
20:36<Deb>jordanm: Any recommendations?
20:37<jordanm>Deb: well, that particular kernel is out of date and subject to a local exploit or too. nothing you can do. the current kernel for RHEL5 openvz should be .18-194.17.1.el5.028stab070.7
20:37<jordanm>Deb: yes, but a xen VPS
20:38<Deb>jordanm : So I just have to kinda "live" with this exploit?
20:39<jordanm>Deb: yes.. only an issue if either a) you have local users or b) one of your services, such as apache, gets exploited first
20:39<jordanm>Deb: you can request an upgrade from your provider.. but good luck with that
20:40<jordanm>Deb: my first vps was on openvz. I didn't keep it longer than a month before I got a xen vps with
20:40<jordanm>very geek and debian friendly
20:40<jordanm>but any xen vps will do. you have much more control over that sort of thing
20:40<Deb>jordanm : Well, I still have a long way to go in order to consider me a "geek" :D
20:41<jordanm>well.. you are reading the securing debian manual, I would say you qualify :)
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20:42<Deb>jordanm: :D Is there anything else I definitely have to read?
20:43<jordanm>Deb: security wise? the tracker of doom
20:43<dpkg>Like it or not we live in Times Of Danger...
20:43<jordanm>!tracker of doom
20:43<dpkg>i heard tracker of doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at or read or
20:44<Deb>Bookmarked :)
20:44<Deb>jordanm : And not only security wise? Perhaps about debian in general?
20:45<icebrain>!mailing lists
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20:47<Deb>Alright :) Thank you! I should probably advance to a dedicated server, shouldn't I?
20:47<Deb>Or at least a XEN VPS.
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21:23<obi-wan>help me how install debian in smartboot tec1020 mark sankey
21:24<dpkg>There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.)
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21:29<mim>Hello world, I've purchased thinktanks game for Linux (I run Ubuntu 10.10) and I installed it OK, but the game does not load most all maps on the servers and it does not remember my player name
21:31<mim>Do I need to reinstall the game and set select permissions to select folders or does anyone have some tips or I can e-mail you?
21:32<bremner>mim: shouldn't you ask the people you bought your game from?
21:32<bremner>!tell mim -about ubuntu
21:33<mim>True, I will if I can't get it to function properly, but I've searched the Internet up and down and I haven't found the bits of info i need
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21:34<mim>thanks, brenner. I'll check with the seller
21:36<mim>how do i log off this chat?
21:36<bremner> type /quit , no space in front
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21:37<edbian>What is the name of the package that provides gnome's little add / remove thingy?
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21:44<obi-wan>how do I install debian on a smartboot tec1020 mark sankey
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21:47<qq->obi-wan, what's that ? url
21:49<edbian>What's the name of the package that contains gnome's add/remove programs app
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21:50<qq->synaptic ?
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22:00<Troll>hey guys
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22:10<Madpeter>Hello how do I setup a user account that has all commands disabled apart from su -?
22:14<edbian>If I'm running compiz standalone in my script should I run compiz --replace& or just compiz& ?
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22:20<Troll>hey edbian
22:21<Troll>you run compiz --replace
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22:26<Madpeter>Troll any idea on how to lock down an account?
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22:29<paladin>passwd -l user
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22:49<pipe>Hmhm. Question: In gnome/metacity and most other window managers you can hold down Alt and thus drag and modify windows. This is good. *but* I have one application that requires Alt+dragging/clicking. Can I disable the window manager functionality for a single window/application?
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22:54<pipe>Actually, it seems this is a Compiz functionality on this system.
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22:58<diederik>Hello, on the GRUB prompt I entered vbeinfo to see what resultions I could use
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22:58<diederik>When I then tried to start my normal Debian I selected the entry and pressed Enter
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22:59<diederik>But instead of loading debian, I got "Loading Linux 2.6.32-5-686-bigmem ..."
22:59<diederik>"error: file not found."
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22:59<diederik>What could be the cause and what to do about it?
22:59<diederik>As far as I know the file is there (checked with livecd)
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23:02<pipe>anas: Do you have a problem with your keyboard?
23:03<anas>why u said that
23:03<supplicant>because you aren't saying anything intelligible?
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23:03<supplicant>diederik: what version of GRUB?
23:03<supplicant>or debian
23:03<anas>hehe.just for try typing
23:04<diederik>Debian Sid, GRUB 2 latest (don't know exact version, but do aptitude update daily)
23:04<supplicant>diederik: have you run update-grub
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23:05<diederik>can you do that from the grub prompt as well? (but afaik I haven't changed anything)
23:05<diederik>grub is 1.98_20100804-6
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23:06<diederik>and the recovery option for that kernel doesn't work as well (same err msg)
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23:06<supplicant>try and boot a working kernel and then run update-grub
23:06<supplicant>if possible
23:06<supplicant>I'm out of ideas at the moment
23:06<diederik>that's the problem, I only have 1 (normal + recovery), but both don't work
23:07<diederik>thanks for trying
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23:08<supplicant>diederik: have you updated recently?
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23:09<diederik>no, that's the weird thing
23:09<diederik>I tried from the grub prompt first vbeinfo and then vbetest
23:09<supplicant>diederik: what livecd are you using?
23:09<supplicant>have you checked the filesytem is ok?
23:10<diederik>During vbetest things looked stuck, so I did CTL+Alt+Del
23:10<diederik>livecd: systemrescuecd v1.17 and from there I mounted /dev/sda1 (which is normally /boot) and that worked fine
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23:11<diederik>and when it rebooted, I couldn't boot debian anymore
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23:11<supplicant>what kernel paramters are you using? is it possible ofr you to stop using any?
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23:12<diederik>root=UUID=<value> ro quiet
23:12<supplicant>I'm not familiar with system rescue cd, although I do have a copy sitting right next to me
23:12<diederik>so I don't think I can skip any (that has an effect)
23:13<supplicant>not sure about grub2, but if you are using dos style partitions one will be marked primary and should automatically be booted
23:13<supplicant>although I'm guessing those disks are formatted using GPT
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23:13<diederik>is there a command I can use to retrieve the UUID value of a partition?
23:14<diederik>it is the first partition on (the first) disk
23:14<supplicant>diederik: parted might be able to show it
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23:15<diederik>it is a primary partition
23:15<supplicant>diederik: ls /dev/disk/by-uuid
23:15<diederik>parted shows another disk with the boot flag (/dev/sda2, my Windows system disk), but it has been like that since I installed it
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23:16<diederik>I have to restart the livecd in order to find that out ...
23:17<supplicant>I've been working on disk recovery from a livecd all dya
23:17<supplicant>it sucks, I know
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23:20<diederik>I can also use a lenny live rescue disk if that would work better
23:20<supplicant>I'm using knoppix, but it doesn't seem to like GPT
23:20<supplicant>as long as you can get/use the tools it shouldn
23:20<supplicant>'t matter
23:21<will>hii ...
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23:21<will>i need help ..
23:21<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
23:21<will>i have a problem whit comand iwconfig iwlist in debian squeeze ....
23:23<pipe>I will fix this problem for you
23:23<pipe>there, does it work now?
23:23<diederik>the uuid entry points to my / partition
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23:24<Spyder>Hi All, I have a pretty basic routing setup in debian (5.0.2) but i'm unable to get traffic from the internet to forward to the servers sitting behind the firewall. outbound traffic is working OK (I'm on the link now)
23:24<Spyder>I have a feeling there's just a route I've yet to add - does the fact that the servers behind my firewall have public IPs complicate things much?
23:25<supplicant>diederik: and you're sure the kernel images are ok?
23:25<will>no say no such comand .. but interface wlan0 is up ..
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23:25<kop>Spyder: You turned on the ip forwarding sysctl?
23:25<Spyder>kop: yup
23:25<kop>Spyder: Oh. Duh. Outbound works.
23:26<Spyder>well.. echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forwarding
23:26<kop>Spyder: Best in /etc/sysctl.conf
23:27<diederik>I think I found it :) on the / there is a link to boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem, but the link name is "vmlinuz.old"
23:27<kop>Spyder: Public IPs should complicate things not at all, unless they're on the same physical network as non-public IPs in which case you're running two IP networks on one physical network.
23:27<diederik>if I change that to vmlinuz should it work again?
23:27<Spyder>kop: Yeah, I'll add that in a bit. Our old router blew up and I was unable to get all the configs :(
23:27<kop>Spyder: Which you can do, but there's not usually a point.
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23:28<Spyder>kop: it's a VM environment, the management (private) network is all on different adaptors
23:28<Spyder>kop: so hopefully no room for confusion there
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23:28<kop>Spyder: What happens if you turn the firewall off? It's probably a firewall bug. Are you using anything besides plain iptables? (I've heard ferm is good.)
23:29<kop>will: Likely you are not root.
23:30<Spyder>kop: nah, just iptables. I'll check
23:30<Spyder>hmm.. how do your turn off iptables... heh
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23:31<darkkrai>it seems I've really messed up this time
23:32<kop>Spyder: iptables -F ?
23:32<darkkrai>My X seems to have failed to start
23:32<kop>Spyder: But you need a way to turn it back on.
23:32<darkkrai>I tried installing the nvidia drivers
23:32<darkkrai>and when I rebooted
23:32<darkkrai>it gave me an error telling me that the x server failed to start
23:32<darkkrai>so now I'm trying to get help via irssi :P
23:33<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see . If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
23:33<Spyder>still no routing - firewall's off
23:33<Spyder>well.. set to allow all
23:33<darkkrai>is there anyway to reset my x server?
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23:34<kop>Spyder: Hard to say. It could be a VM thing as well. Possibly. If the routing table contains a record for the right network with the right gateway there should not be a problem.
23:34<diederik>darkkrai: what debian version are you using?
23:34<darkkrai>crunchbang, based on debian squeeze(just openbox on debian squeeze)
23:34<diederik>and is there a -dkms related package for it?
23:35<darkkrai>I don't know
23:35<dpkg>CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. #crunchbang on See <based on Debian>.
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23:36<Spyder>kop: I'm not 100% sure it does tho... you mind if I pastebin it and you take a gander?
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23:39<diederik>removing '.old' from vmlinuz.old and initrd.img.old didn't solve the issue
23:40<supplicant>and you have those images in /boot ?
23:41<diederik> /boot is on a seperate partition (/dev/sda1) from / (/dev/sda5) but I've mounted both now (in sysrescuecd) and they're there ...
23:42<kop>Spyder: You'll also need to describe the network(s) involved.
23:42<Spyder>I cant confirm this link works for some reason, but: - net explaination is at the top
23:43<supplicant>diederik: well this is annoying
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23:45<kop>Spyder: So your servers are on
23:45<supplicant>diederik: what arch is this?
23:45<diederik>but you should have /vmlinuz and /initrd.img in order to boot, right?
23:45<supplicant>x86_64 right?
23:45<supplicant>oh ok
23:45<supplicant>let me check what grub2 wants
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23:46<kop>Spyder: Then should be the gateway to that network.
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23:47<supplicant>diederik: in / yes, you should have those
23:47<supplicant>although, mine are symlinks
23:47<supplicant>into boot
23:47<diederik>mine too, and point to corresponding files in /boot/
23:48<diederik>should those files have the execute bit set?
23:49<diederik>now they have rw for owner + read for others
23:49<supplicant>diederik: lrwxrwxrwx
23:49<Spyder>kop: so the line ' UG 0 0 eth0' nows reads in place of
23:49<diederik>that's for the link, but I meant the 'real' files
23:49<kop>Spyder: And?
23:49<Spyder>kop: no dice so far
23:50<supplicant>oh the real ones? -rw-r--r--
23:50<diederik>ok, that's not the issue either :/
23:51<Spyder>kop: I'm just trying to 'ping' from an external host
23:52<supplicant>diederik: well
23:52<supplicant>I'm out of ideas
23:52<supplicant>you can build a kernel from scratch if you're adventurous
23:52<GhostlyDeath>Does debian-installer support installing to a network share over NFS?
23:52<diederik>that would be quite adventurous indeed, since I haven't done that before
23:52<supplicant>I can get my instructions
23:52<supplicant>h/o a sec
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23:53<diederik>and I guess I should have a working system for that too ...
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23:54<diederik>and I believe the solution should be far simpler, since afaik I didn't change anything
23:54<supplicant>diederik: well you can build the kernel from the livecd if you have the right tools
23:54<supplicant>diederik: I know. only thing I can think ofthough
23:54<supplicant>you can try the mailing list
23:54<kop>Spyder: How does that external host know that the gateway to is and how does know that is its gateway to
23:55<diederik>thanks for the help
23:55<Spyder>kop: I'm not sure
23:56<diederik>that's the/my issue with grub, you never do anything real with it untill it breaks
23:56<kop>Spyder: Presumeably the other sideof knows about the routing and the packets get there. But if you own then you need to route from there.
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23:56<supplicant>diederik: that's the/my issue with $x, you never do anything real with it untill it breaks
23:56<kop>Spyder: This is what traceroute is for. See where the external host can't get through.
23:57<diederik>thanks for the link and LOL
23:57<Spyder>kop: I don't - that's ISP equipment, I've been assuming that that routes are there as it was working friday
23:57<Spyder>tracert actually stops at the apuckland peering exchange - maybe there's a bigger problem here
23:57<kop>Spyder: Hard to say for sure.
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23:58<Spyder>kop: i'd just assumed that since my router died it was an issue at my end - does debian have capapbiliteis to advertise routes?
23:58<kop>Spyder: You could tcpdump eth0 and see if it gets anything for that network.
23:59<Spyder>i'll try that now
23:59<kop>Spyder: Sure, bgp, but you need to make such arrangements with your ISP. Unless you multihome you don't want to.
23:59<Spyder>kop: ok, wont worry about that then
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