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#debian IRC Logs for 2010-10-24

---Logopened Sun Oct 24 00:00:22 2010
00:00<kop>Spyder: Your old router had for its external interface?
00:01*Spyder goes away to learn how to use tcpdump
00:01<kop>Spyder: Then if you don't see anything with tcpdump something's broken upstream.
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00:01<kop>Spyder: tcpdump -n -i eth0 net
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00:02<twb>After "a2dismod autoindex", is "/etc/init.d/apache2 force-reload" sufficient, or do I need "restart"?
00:03<Spyder>kop: yep, definitely traffic coming in
00:03<Spyder>kop: wait one, that might just be outbound
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00:04<kop>twb: I hate those questions. Isn't there a way to ask apache what's loaded?
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00:05<kop>Spyder: You could say "tcpdump -n -i eth0 dst net" (or something) but it's often more revealing to watch the traffic both ways.
00:07<Spyder>kop: was just gonna ask that :)
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00:08<twb>kop: I'm asking because I'm filing a change request; if it was my own box, I'd just try a force-reload and then check myself
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00:12<kop>Spyder: (FWIW, wireshark is fun too.)
00:12<kop>Spyder: So go ask for a web page, or ping or something.
00:12<Spyder>kop: i'm not actually sure what i'm seeing here - should I be doing this on eth1 tho? thats the external IF
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00:14<kop>Spyder: Whoops. yeah.
00:14<Spyder>hmm well in that case there's no traffic
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00:16<Spyder>kop: ahh, just saw a stack of DNS queries
00:16<Spyder>kop: odd that my repeated web page queries didnt show up
00:16<kop>Spyder: Firewall back on?
00:17*kop can't recall whether tcpdump sees what's on the wire or what iptables lets pass.
00:17<Spyder>kop: dont think so, i'll go bash it
00:17<twb>What's the "right" way to disable weak ciphers in apache/ssl?
00:18<twb>And is it going to piss off users with old/crap clients if I disable e.g. the md5 cipher?
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00:24<Spyder_Nz>kop: apparently the IRC session didnt like that...
00:25<kop>Spyder_Nz: DNS may be UDP. TCP may be broken. (Which is really wierd.)
00:25<Spyder_Nz>and this nick isnt a reserved one either, excellent
00:27<kop>Spyder_Nz: Anyhow, if you're not getting traffic time to complain to your isp.
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00:28<Spyder_Nz>kop: need to stop using my phone as a modem for that - thanks for your help :-) hopefully i'll be back later with good news
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00:31<Madpeter>Does anyone know if denyhosts triggers itself on a ssh connection
00:31<Madpeter>or if you need to setup a cronjob for it?
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00:45<twb>Madpeter: IIRC scans auth.log
00:45<twb>By cron job, I assume
00:46<twb>Personally I prefer to simply use -m hashlimit and -m recent
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01:06<Spyder_NZ>kop: All working - it was an ISP fault as well and a dead router, thanks heaps for the help. I knew it was something that I was missing :-)
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01:54<sisk>Anyone know of an on screen keyboard other than gok?
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02:13<afspear>does anybody know where to get a good description of active/passive storage?
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02:16<diederik>still with grub issues ..
02:17<diederik>I followed some steps from and the section about grub prompt
02:18<diederik>entered "linux /vmlinux-<version> root=UUID=<value>" just like in the grub entry that fails
02:18<diederik>entered "initrd /initrd-<version>"
02:18<diederik>both executed with warnings (but also no msg after linux line, as was said in the manual)
02:19<diederik>entered "boot" et voila my system boots!
02:19<diederik>so it seems exactly as the grub menu entry ... but selecting that entry from the grub menu ... fails (file not found)
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02:20<diederik>reinstalled grub-pc grub-common linux-image-<version>
02:20<diederik>rebooted ... and failed again
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02:21<diederik>how come that if I entered the commands from the grub prompt it works and if grub executes it based on an entry in the menu it fails??
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02:46<valdyn>diederik: the root command is missing
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02:48<diederik>how do you mean? it's in the linux line
02:49<diederik>linux /vmlinux-<version> root=UUID=<value>
02:49<valdyn>diederik: that is not the grub root command but a parameter to the kernel
02:50<diederik>ok where/when should I enter the root command then?
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02:53<valdyn>diederik: are we talking grub or grub2 here?
02:54<valdyn>diederik: set root='(system-boot)' should show up in grub.cfg, but youre not supposed to edit that directly
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02:54<valdyn>diederik: (system-boot) is just my boot partition, not yours
02:55<diederik>in grub.cfg the is a line "set root='hd1,msdos1'"
02:55<valdyn>diederik: i dont know if that is correct or not
02:56<valdyn>diederik: obviously, if you skip that in your custom entry then the default might be ok and be something else
02:56<diederik>it's not a custom entry in grub.cfg where I entered those commands, it was at the grub prompt
02:56<valdyn>diederik: same thing
03:00<diederik>can you elaborate on that, not sure if I get what you mean
03:00<valdyn>diederik: doesnt matter where you enter that boot entry, grub.cfg or grub prompt
03:01<valdyn>diederik: but if you skip the set root in one case and have it there in the other, and one boots and the other does not, then you have the significant difference
03:01<diederik>ok, but I don't know how to change it so it will work
03:02<diederik>on sda2 I have my windows partition and the "set root" line for that points to "(hd1,msdos2)"
03:02<diederik>so "(hd1,msdos1)" for my debian entry looks correct
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03:04<diederik>or should "set root" point to my root partition (sda5) (I have seperate boot partition)
03:04<diederik>boot partition for debian is sda1
03:04<valdyn>diederik: it needs to point to the boot partition
03:04<valdyn>diederik: sda is hd0, not hd1
03:05<valdyn>diederik: or these names can be unrelated, hd0 is the first bios boot disk, hd1 the 2nd etc
03:05<diederik>I believe not (for grub2) and if that was the case windows wouldn't boot either (checked that)
03:06<valdyn>diederik: "believe" is useless, read the docs or try it
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03:07<diederik>I thought that was one of the changes between grub1 and grub2.
03:08<valdyn>diederik: it isnt, partition numbering changed, not disk numbering
03:09<diederik>Will check by modifying grub.cfg, but then the next time grub.cfg will be generated I have again a non-booting system (but deal with that then)
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03:10<valdyn>diederik: it is possible that you have to fix manually
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03:11<diederik>changing grub.cfg didn't help. Will check link/
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03:17<diederik> looks ok and hd1 does point to the correct drive
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03:23<devil>diederik: do you have a separate /boot partition?
03:23<diederik> gives the full context
03:24<diederik>yes, it's the first partition on the disk
03:24<diederik> / (root) is on sda5
03:25<EmleyMoor>The performance of my wireless network seems to be marred by interference - is there anything I can do about it?
03:25<devil>diederik: well, its a grub2 bug. i did not read all the backlog, but you need to remove /grub from the kernel- and the initrd line
03:26<devil> ... 36356.html
03:27<devil>diederik: err, remove /boot...
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03:28<diederik>ah ok!
03:29<devil>diederik: sry, just waking up :)
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03:32<diederik>WOOOT that fixed it, thanks for help everyone!
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03:38<EmleyMoor>How do I formally reopen a closed bug? I have already commented on it, but it is preventing a package I need to use from working at all
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03:49<MTecknology>squeeze is going to become the new stable?
03:51<koollman>MTecknology: yes
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03:51<MTecknology>koollman: thanks
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04:45<gianks>Hi all
04:46<gianks>is there anyone who can explain me why a partition copied via DD doesn't match the original?
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04:47<gianks>i've made a copy of a NTFS partition drive to drive
04:47<gianks>ntfscmp reports a lot of inodes wich differ
04:48<gianks>i'm using Debian Squeeze
04:48<gianks>never had problems with dd before... please help!
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04:48<EmleyMoor>Sure the destination disk is OK?
04:48<gianks>the major issue is with grub2
04:48<gianks>yes, verified
04:49<gianks>when i try to boot grug halts
04:49<gianks>grub, sorry
04:49<gianks>i've also made a rude CP partition data copy
04:49<ski>gianks: filesystems were not online while you made copy?
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04:50<gianks>no, i'm doing this job on a Live Debian
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04:50<gianks>one disk is internal, the other is usb
04:51<gianks>i've also tried to make a comparsion with CMP of the first 10240 bytes
04:51<gianks>and i've found some differences
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04:51<gianks>after a new dd of the first part the cmp reported no mismatch
04:52<gianks>but ntfscmp still say that inode 0,1,2,5 and so on are different
04:52<gianks>i really don't understand whats happening
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04:53<gianks>unfortunately CP seems to discard the extended NTFS attributes
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04:53<ski>gianks: did you copy hole disk or just one partition?
04:54<gianks>a partition
04:54<gianks>the destination partition is bigger
04:54<gianks>but this should not be a problem as far as i know
04:54<ski>and partiton table is ok?
04:55<ski>gianks: Yes thats normal!
04:55<gianks>yes, i've creted it several times this days :)
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04:56<gianks>the inode 0, attribute 0x80 is reported as different...
04:57<gianks>as far as i've found googling this may prevent grub to boot the partition...
04:57<gianks>but i'm not sure!
04:57<gianks>and anyway... where are the inode 0 attrs located in the partition??
04:58<gianks>at wich address?
04:58<ski>gianks: We are using that type of procedure for ~5000 disks / year - no trouble.
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04:59<gianks>ski: not so many disks... but i've make a lot of copies with dd in my life without this kind of issue :)
04:59<gianks>next step: suicide myself!
05:00<gianks>the goal of my job is simple, and probably you have already guessed it: change my hdd with a bigger one!!!
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05:02<gianks>any ideas? i'm desperate
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05:07<EmleyMoor>gianks: Have you tried more than once? (not that I would normally suggest this, but if the result is different...)
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05:09<gianks>EmleyMoor: i've been fighting for 3 days :) sure, this is the N try
05:10<EmleyMoor>Result always the same or do the errors move?
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05:11<gianks>last time ntfscmp reports fewer differences
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05:11<gianks>but the inode 0,1,2,5 are always there!
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05:12<gianks>not just them, there are 200 inodes at least
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05:12<gianks>the partition size is 100 Gb
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05:15<TomassoSK>Hi all what I need to write to crontab if I want to update and upgrade system every day and i want that cron check it every 2 hours?
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05:17<gianks>EmleyMoor: i'm now trying "cmp -b /dev/sda2 /dev/sdc2"
05:17<gianks>it has found just one difference at byte 88180001
05:18<gianks>ntfscmp still reports billions of differences... it's driving me crazy
05:19<EmleyMoor>I would suspect the controller for the destination drive
05:19<gianks>uhm... the source is now over USB
05:20<gianks>the new disk is inside the laptop
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05:23<gianks>I begin to think that the earth is flat and not spherical :)
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05:32<gianks>EmleyMoor: now trying with "ntfsclone -f -O /dev/sda2 /dev/sdc2"
05:32<gianks>i'll tell you the result
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05:59<rot13>howdy all. i have a little kirkwood debian box and i still have some troubles with the networking. how can i make dhcp-client to retry to get an ip and also make the dns resolver more robust? it does not update when i move from one network to another. and since i can't connect to the box other than via ssh this is important
06:00<Martian67_> (屮゜Д゜)屮 щ(゚Д゚щ)
06:00<rot13>also it would be nice if it gets an ip if i connect to the network after it already booted. alternatively.. fallback to static ip?
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06:04<Frank__L>anyone alive in here?
06:04<dutchfish>rot13: you could make a script that checks if it got an ip and if not dhclient -r
06:05<dutchfish>rot13: and put it in a cronjob
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06:05<Frank__L>is there a way to check if the schedulars (proc, io) work properly in squeeze on armel arch?
06:05<Frank__L>I've got this process which grinds my machine to a halt
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06:06<Frank__L>nothing seems to work (nice 20, ionice -c 3, etc)
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06:12<dutchfish>Frank__L: sudo grep -v '1 :' /proc/slabinfo
06:13<Frank__L>interesting.. what does that table tell me?
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06:13<dutchfish>Frank__L: this might help you a bit hopefully;a=commitdiff;h=e31f3698cd3499e676f6b0ea12e3528f569c4fa3
06:14<dutchfish>Frank__L: and, yes, i can confirm your findings with some kernels
06:15<Duber>little question: is resume from pm-hibernate supposed to work different than from pm-suspend ?
06:15<Frank__L>the memory manager is arch independant, right?
06:15<Frank__L>independent even
06:15<Duber>from pm-suspend touching keyboard works but how am I suposed to resume from hibernation ?
06:16<Frank__L>kernel patching time then :)
06:16<dutchfish>Frank__L: gl and report back if it helps
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06:26<Frank__L>hmm that patch depends on other patches not yet in the squeeze kernel
06:26<dutchfish>Frank__L: right
06:26<Frank__L>so I'd need to switch to something like the experimental debian kernel
06:26<dutchfish>Frank__L: or wait till it gets in
06:27<Frank__L>that'd be until sid uses a kernel that incorporates the patch or on which the patch can be applied
06:27<dutchfish>Frank__L: i am running 2.6.36 on mine atm and it solved it
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06:28<dutchfish>Frank__L: but read the commit carefully if it also aplies to your problem
06:28<Frank__L>anyway, I have more than 1 issue with that particular program. If the other things get resolved, I might look into it
06:28<Frank__L>ah k
06:28<Frank__L>on mine there are no usb transfers. just network
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06:30<dutchfish>ok, however any slow device and mem pressure could trigger this one.
06:30<Frank__L>well this is a particularly slow device (ARM 266Mhz) and lots of mem pressure (only 32MB RAM)
06:31<Frank__L>so I'll look into the comments of the commit
06:31<Frank__L>thanks for your help!
06:31<dutchfish>thats my thought, yep. yw
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06:41<gianks>Hei folks
06:41<gianks>i've dominated the beast!!!
06:42<gianks>after ntfsclone the ntfscmp didn't reported differences anymore
06:42<gianks>but grub still hang on boot
06:42<gianks>i ne
06:42<gianks>i needed to restore the backup bootsector of the copied part from the std boot sector wich was good
06:43<gianks>the backup was marked as broken
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06:43<gianks>after that grub successfully chainloaded the partition
06:43<gianks>now i've to repair win BOOTMGR... it don't recognise the new UUID of the disk
06:44<gianks>but this is a little issue noW!
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06:44<gianks>thanks for the help... this is not information tech... this is information magic!!!
06:44<speedvin>gianks: you can use /dev/sdx instead UUID of partition in GRUB ;)
06:44<gianks>this is what i'm doing to boot up the deb kernel
06:45<speedvin>gianks: right ;)
06:45<gianks>but the win bootmgr don't accept args :)
06:45<gianks>what a stupid way to boot a system
06:45<mjt>Hello. I've a set of proxy-related env. variables in environment after starting X (I use LXDE) - like HTTP_PROXY, ftp_proxy, all_proxy etc. These aren't set in .profile or .xsession and the like for sure. Maybe I set it very long time ago somewhere in gnome, -- I can't be sure, but there's no gnome anymore. Yet the variables are here. Where they're being set?
06:45<gianks>and it's missing a way to edit the uuid list
06:45<gianks>it need it's intallation CDROM. WTF!
06:46<gianks>anyway i'm happy!!! :)
06:46<gianks>again, thanks for the support!
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06:51<mjt>ok. i found these in ~/.gconf/system/proxy/%gconf.xml
06:51<mjt>now the question is: who's converting these settings to environment variables?
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06:55<jacks_lt>when I login to my server I have no colors in the shell...
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06:55<jacks_lt>local I have
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06:55<jacks_lt>server = lenny, local = testing
06:56<jacks_lt>without colors, file management is more hard
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06:56<jacks_lt>hmm, seems to be root vs non-root
06:57<LK->Add "alias ls='ls --color'" to your .bashrc on the server
07:01<jacks_lt>LK-: but I have not colors, also when being root on local pc
07:01<jacks_lt>so root has no colors
07:02<LK->then add it too root's .bashrc or /etc/bash.bashrc
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07:05<jacks_lt>alias ls='ls --color' ?
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07:05<jacks_lt>or with the " "
07:05<LK->without the " "
07:06<jacks_lt>and then login again
07:07<LK->Did it work?
07:10<jacks_lt>Lk, yes, but not when loggin via root ssh
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07:10<LK->Try adding it to: the root user's .bash_profile.
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07:11<jacks_lt>LK-: I did, works
07:11<jacks_lt>much better
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08:01<robewald>hi, is there a way to add to devices to the root kernel parameter?
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08:03<Gingerbread-Man>robewald you can add modules into the kernel with modprobe if thats what your after
08:03<djw>is there any usable documentation for setting up a bluetooth keyboard in squeeze?
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08:05<robewald>no not really, I am hacking a router and want to boot from usb when present and from the HD when not. But I don't have an interactive bootloader, so I need that in the kernel command line.
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08:07<Gingerbread-Man>robewald sorry i wouldint have a clue how to do that
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08:10<jacks_lt>I've made a user on my NAS server, which makes rdiff-backups from my laptop. Problem it backup in the root partition, which is almost full. Now I like to make the backup folder in the /home partition, with the rights of that user, how? ...
08:10<jacks_lt>This is the id
08:10<jacks_lt>uid=3500(rdiff-backup) gid=3500(rdiff-backup) groups=3500(rdiff-backup)
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08:11<robewald>Gingerbread-Man: yeah, actually I doubt that it is at all possible, but i am giving it a try. I don't know the kernel at all to read or hack it myself..
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08:13<Gingerbread-Man>robewald well im off to bed best of luck to you
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08:14<robewald>Gingerbread-Man: thanks, good night
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08:14<Webmind_><robewald> why don't you use rsync ?
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08:15<Webmind_><jacks_lt> why don't you use rsync ? sorry <robewald>
08:15<PeterNL>How do I take a copy of a currently installed (old) package?
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08:16<jacks_lt>Webmind_: why don't u use rdiff-backup?
08:16<Webmind_>cool :)
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08:19<mjt>is there a terminal emulator that does not suck? :)
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08:20<mjt>lxterminal is almost there - it does not beep when it should.
08:20<PeterNL>mjt: gnome-terminal doesn't suck that much, does it?
08:20<mjt>it is the most annoying one :)
08:21<PeterNL>Hm... I kinda like it because it works, and it's gnome.
08:22<PeterNL>It even looks kinda cool: :D
08:22<mjt>i'm using it right now. It has 2 main (to me) probs: it tries to d/load http/etc links to determine content-type instead of just firing a browser (and often fails for various reasons, esp. for it always reports "file not found"); and it sets various environment variables from gconf which i don't like it to do (e.g proxy/http_proxy etc)
08:22<mjt>ie, too much smarts so it becomes stupid.
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08:23<PeterNL>So if there's a link like the I posted in a CLI app and you click it, you actually want the terminal to know it's an image?
08:23<mjt>i've a script referenced in $BASH_ENV that unsets all variables which were nedlessly set by gnome-terminal
08:24<mjt>PeterNL: i do NOT want it to know. gnome-terminal tries to determine it
08:24<PeterNL>Does it? never figured :x
08:25<mjt>for the link you've shown it tries to open gimp
08:25<mjt>but gimp can't d/load stuff from the 'net, for a reason. while firef^Wiceweasel can.
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08:25<mjt>so the resulting thing does not work.
08:25<PeterNL>Opens chrome for me. Chrome is not even my default browser, so something is, euh, wrong
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08:26<PeterNL>afaik gimp can open stuff from inet
08:26*PeterNL tries
08:26<mjt>it can not here
08:26<PeterNL>gimp 2.6.10?
08:26<mjt>i especially allowed only a dedicated user to access 'net and forbid everything else.
08:27<mjt>iceweasel is running as different user.
08:27<mjt>but that's details
08:27<PeterNL>Oh. I see.
08:27<jacks_lt>drwxr-xr-x 9 rdiff-backup rdiff-backup 4096 2010-10-24 13:36 backup
08:27<jacks_lt>how to make sure a folder in /home got these rights?
08:27<mjt>jacks_lt: chown and chmod
08:28<PeterNL>So the only connection to the internet is your browser. No way someone is going to run a mail/irc/ssh/whatever client unless it's webbased?
08:28<mjt>um. it's not that simple obviously
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08:28<mjt>but that's details. gnome-terminal is doing too much smarts
08:29<mjt>(note that currently gnome-terminal is able to access 'net itself - if not only to check the content type)
08:29<PeterNL>Anyway, I still need to find a .deb of a currently installed version of a package
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08:31<mjt>i like lxterminal - small, fast, multi-tab as in gnome-terminal, all the same features. But it does not beep, and I use beeps quite often (e.g. to watch (ping -a) when a given host will be online)
08:32<mjt>that's a bug, but oh well ;)
08:32<mjt>already fixed several other bugs in it which annoyed me
08:32<PeterNL>Is there a bugreport? Some information regarding a fix?
08:33<mjt>i talked with the devs in #lxde
08:33<mjt>well, bug != missing feature
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08:35<mjt>"No way someone is going to run a mail/irc/ssh/whatever client" -- there _should_ be no way indeed, because if "someone" wants to run something, that'd be someone who 0wns my machine, not me :)
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08:43<PeterNL>^ Belgen...
08:44<Webmind_>^ Hollanders
08:45*PeterNL <3 /whois +
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08:47<Webmind_>Almere ? Ex-A'dammer ?
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08:47<PeterNL>Nope. geboren in Almere
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08:49<Webmind_>PeterNL kijk ook eens op alleen voor hollanders..... alleen debian.
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08:50<Webmind_>/var/cache/apt/archives staat je .deb hier nog ?
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08:51<dpkg>Voor Nederlandstalige hulp met debian kunt U terecht in #debian-nl. For help with debian in Dutch, you can join #debian-nl.
08:51<babilen>Webmind_, PeterNL: Just in case you prefer to speak dutch
08:51*PeterNL doesn't really care about language.
08:51<Webmind_>thanks babilen
08:52<PeterNL>My tech-English is just as good as my tech-Dutch anyway.
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08:54<Webmind_>What's the package we speak about ?
08:55<PeterNL>fglrx 10.
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08:57<mjt>don't care about language? Как насчёт русского? :)
08:57<PeterNL>As long as it is English or Dutch
08:57<mjt>heh. seriois addition ;)
08:58<PeterNL>But yes, I have urf-8 working, and I know about google translate anyway :D
08:58<mjt>btw. fgrlx-10.10 is out
08:58<PeterNL>It's not in the testting repos yet. So I'll wait
08:58<mjt>(not that i care, -- use radeon for ~2 years already)
08:59<PeterNL>I want decent performance in fgfs and supertuxkart en nexuiz and things
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09:24<jacks_lt> drwxr-xr-x 9 rdiff-backup rdiff-backup 4096 2010-10-24 13:36 backup
09:24<jacks_lt>what does the 9 mean?
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09:24<jacks_lt>and what if the 9 was a 2?
09:25<mAniAk->that would be bad
09:25<babilen>mAniAk-: Why is that?
09:26<babilen>jacks_lt: Number of hard links
09:26<jacks_lt>drwxr-xr-x 2 rdiff-backup rdiff-backup 4096 2010-10-24 15:15 backup
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09:27<jacks_lt>I did chown rdiff-backup:rdiff-backup /home/backup
09:27<jacks_lt>rdiff-backup is a user
09:27<babilen>yes, we can see that
09:27<jacks_lt>good :)
09:28<jacks_lt>I had a backup folder in the / partition
09:28<jacks_lt>but it became full...
09:28<jacks_lt>so I would like to have the backup folder in /home
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09:28<jacks_lt>with the same rights
09:28<jacks_lt>the previous folder: drwxr-xr-x 9 rdiff-backup rdiff-backup 4096 2010-10-24 13:36 backup
09:29<jacks_lt>the new folder in /home: drwxr-xr-x 2 rdiff-backup rdiff-backup 4096 2010-10-24 15:15 backup
09:29<jacks_lt>just a check if this is ok
09:30<babilen>why shouldn't it? Identical owner/group and permissions
09:30<jacks_lt>only the 2 differs from the 9
09:30<babilen>yes, different number of hard links
09:30*jacks_lt wonders what a hard link is
09:31<babilen>!hard link
09:31<dpkg>well, hard link is simply put a pointer to the contents of a file. Normal files have hard link count of 1, and when they are hard linked elsewhere the count is incremented. Thus, a file may have multiple names but the content is only stored once. See
09:31<babilen>jacks_lt: rdiff-backup and other backups tools (like rsnapshot) make ample use of hard links in order to save space
09:32<babilen>No problem
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10:05<jacks_lt>hmm but other users have still read access...
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10:12<jacks_lt>how does I make sure that other users don't have read access?
10:12<jacks_lt>it's now
10:12<jacks_lt>drwxr-xr-x 2 rdiff-backup rdiff-backup 4096 2010-10-24 15:15 backup
10:13<cthuluh>chmod o-rx backup
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10:15<jacks_lt>others are able to execute? Hmm doesn't look good to me either
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10:15<mjt>"execute" for directory means accessing files inside
10:16<jacks_lt>hmm, could be acceptable... maybe
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10:16<jacks_lt>and what if I want to set that off to?
10:17<mjt>cthuluh suggested the most likely right way
10:18<mjt>speaking of hard links, each directory has some extra of them. the "subdirectory" "." points back to the same dir - that's another link, so each dir has at least 2 links. And each has ".." that's a link to PARENT dir, so each dir with at least one regular subdirectory has at least 3 links.
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10:19<mjt>so your old dir with link count=9 had 7 subdirectories inside.
10:19<jacks_lt>I see
10:20<mjt>and your new dir is empty, hence link count=2 ;)
10:21<devnullcat>Hi all, quick q: I'm a newbie when it comes to reporting bugs - I reported a bug in xserver-xorg-video-intel but it turns out that it's more relevant to gnome-screensaver - can I re-assign my bug or does the maintainer have to do that?
10:21<mjt>you can reassign, yes. maintainer can do that too.
10:21<mjt>usually the maintainers are better at bts usage :)
10:22<mjt>(bts = bug tracking system)
10:22<devnullcat>cool, is there a howto page on BTS usage somewhere? thanks
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10:23<mjt>bugs debian control in google... - don't remember the page address and always use that :)
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10:26<devnullcat>mjt: thanks for help
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10:27<mjt>you're welcome :)
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10:36<Prins>is there any way to check whether your system is 32 or 64 bit?
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10:38<mAniAk->uname -r
10:39<felixs>Dominus: arch
10:39<Dominus>mAniAk-: uname -r is what? kernel version or something?
10:40<Dominus>is that 32 bit?
10:40<mAniAk->rel yes, might not show what he want tho
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10:40<mjt>that's opvenvz kernel
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10:41<mjt>openvz even (typo)
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10:52<Dominus>ps aux shows all running proccesses, right?
10:54<Gathond>well it shows those you have access to
10:54<mjt>access ?
10:54<Gathond>usually that means everything, but it is possible to use grsecurity etc to limit that
10:54<Gathond>well those /proc/PID's your user can read
10:54<mjt>aha, extra security subsystems
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10:55<Gathond>technically you may be able to do it without that, by changing permissions yourself
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10:57<mjt>heh. you can also remember stuff like rootkits (with kernel mods)
10:57<mjt>i'd say it's too much extra information
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10:58<Dominus>how to i find documentation on the ps aux | grep function?
10:58<Dominus>man grep?
10:59<Dominus>I answered my own question. omg.
10:59<Dominus>Okay, now to a serious question: xdg-open is a program that'll run URL's in the users preferred application
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10:59<Dominus>Now, I can't install that on my server, because it doesn't have a graphical userinterface
11:00<mjt>um. you can
11:00<Dominus>But a program says it needs it, which should be a command-line only program. Now, is it me whos wrong, or am I correct, that xdg-open can't be used on a command-line server?
11:00<mjt>apt-cache show xdg-utils
11:00<mjt>(that's the package in question)
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11:01<mjt>note it does not _depend_ on anything. It recommends iceweasel as a good browser, and some x11 stuff.
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11:01<Dominus>i'll try to install it ^_^
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11:01<mjt>by default apt-get/aptitude installs everything that's recommended
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11:02<mjt>apt-get -o APT::Install-Recommends=false install xdg-utils
11:02<mjt>is it the preferred way?
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11:03<mjt>(and install the browser of your preference ofcourse - links, lynx, whatever)
11:04<Dominus>I'll try it out :D
11:05<Dominus>I just did apt-get install xdg-utils
11:05<mjt>apt-get --no-install-recommends install xdg-utils
11:05<Dominus>what does that do?
11:05<mjt>you can install iceweasel too and all the X, but that wont be useful
11:05<mjt>what does it do? I think it's quite obvious... ;)
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11:06<Dominus>installs only the recommended?
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11:09<Dominus>should i install some kind of browser or something for xdg-open to work?
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11:09<mjt>19:03 < mjt> (and install the browser of your preference ofcourse - links, lynx, whatever)
11:10<mjt>huh? :)
11:10<Dominus>I don't know any of those browser (: Which one would work for me ?
11:10<mjt>both mentioned will
11:11<PeterNL>I think wget or curl will work as web browsers as well. Somehow... :D
11:12<PeterNL>I try to install fglrx 10.10, and I get this: What do I do?
11:12<mjt>"Gnome-terminal: Unable to open Not Found"
11:13<mjt>stupid stupid stupid...
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11:13<PeterNL>try a web browser
11:13<mjt>yeah, that's why i hate gnome-terminal ;)
11:13<mjt>instead of just firing a web browser it tries to be smarter and fails as a result.
11:13<PeterNL>try curl ""
11:14<mjt>i think i can figure out how to open an url ;)
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11:16<mjt>looks like a bug in their debian/rules file
11:16<mjt>dh_install -pfglrx-driver "usr/X11R6/lib/modules/linux" "usr/lib/xorg/modules"
11:17<mjt>that fails, because the source directory does not exist.
11:17<mjt>the "removing temporary directory" is most useful :)
11:18<mjt>as in, no way to debug the issue, all traces cleared :)
11:18<PeterNL>The temporary directory is already removed...
11:18<mjt>that's what i'm talking about
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11:19<Dominus>links is cool
11:19<PeterNL>Ah, ok
11:19<Dominus>I can't figure out Lynx though
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11:19<PeterNL>So I somehow need to move the directory just before it get's removed...
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11:19<PeterNL>A hard one :)
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11:20<PeterNL>Not hard?
11:20<mjt>you need to unpack whole thing and run it manually
11:20<PeterNL>Ah, ok
11:21<mjt>i'd suggest asking in #ati @freenode (i think it's #ati)
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11:22<bremner> /msg dpkg ati
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11:59<Dominus>dropbox on CLI linux servers is annoyingly hard to instal
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12:02<olspookishmagus>any packages for this? :B
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12:53<gervais>wie geht's
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13:31<diego>Hello, any help configuring ssh server
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13:32<diego>I dont want anyone to be able to connect unless their IP match with certain IP
13:32<diego>and I want IPs to be banned after 3 incorrect attempts
13:34<petemc>AllowUsers and MaxAuthTries
13:34<petemc>man sshd_config
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13:34<diego>petemc: its more than just one IP, can I duplicate
13:35<diego>like AllowUsers diego@ diego@externalMask ?
13:36<petemc>im not sure off the top of my head, the manpage says to look at patterns in man 5 sshd_config
13:36<petemc>could suck it and see
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14:16<dpkg>dario: VATTENE VIA!
14:17<dpkg>dario: VATTENE VIA!
14:17*icebrain wonders what that means
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14:28<dpkg>dario_: VATTENE VIA!
14:28<dario_>ho salutato
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14:29<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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14:29<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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14:31<diego>so, lets say Im really paranoid, and I want that when a user tries to login via ssh, after the password is ok, send a SMS to the user as a challenge
14:32<diego>(I already have a program that can send a SMS)
14:32<diego>and I can easily make a random number for that challenge
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14:34<dpkg>dario_: VATTENE VIA!
14:34<amphi>dario_: please stop
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14:41<icebrain>as long as that modules uses PAM, you can set SSH to use it as authentication
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14:44<dario>! list
14:44<dpkg>dario: VATTENE VIA!
14:45<dpkg>dario: VATTENE VIA!
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14:46<gianks>certa gente ha il cervello in panne...
14:47<gianks>signori vi saluto.
14:47<gianks>buona serata a tutti!
14:47<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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14:55<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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15:00<mihkel>Hi. I have problem with emacs. I can't get org-blog.el or any other file in ~/.emacd.d/site-lisp to work.
15:00<mihkel>I have (add-to-list 'load-path "~/emacs.d/site-lisp/") in .emacs.d/init.el
15:00<mihkel>but when I add (require 'org-blog)
15:01<mihkel>to init.el and evaluate buffer
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15:01<mihkel>I get
15:01<mihkel>(require 'org-blog)
15:01<mihkel>eval-buffer: Cannot open load file: org-blog
15:02<mihkel>is this -> (add-to-list 'load-path "~/emacs.d/site-lisp/") correct?
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15:10<frk7>ciao dario
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15:38<jarlaxe>hi guysm i zould need a help on masquerade cause i really dont find the hint : 2 netbook with both debian, A and B. A is connected. On A, i do the ifconfig eth0, then on B, ifconfig [...] 111.2, then route [...] gw [...].1, finally on B, sysctl forward then iptables... but ping on B gives nothing....
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15:39<jarlaxe>any idea ? it suppose to work like so
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15:48<diego>trying to configure ssh with opie but it starts to loop
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16:06<locklace>dpkg: qotd0
16:06<dpkg>-!- mode/#debian [+b *!*@*.registered] by mentor
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16:17<pavi>complete OT : Has anyone tried a Dyna DNS service ? Which is a recommended one ?
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16:42<caseesac>I am copying 70GB of data to an external drive using eSata. It says it will take 14 hours. Why is it moving so slow? the drive is ext3.
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16:44<mjt>70gb in 14 hours - sounds like usb not esata...
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16:45<caseesac>mjt: i agree
16:45<mjt>slow even for usb: about 1.4mb/sec
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16:45<mjt>if my calc is correct anyway :)
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16:46<edbian>How do you write to someone if they're only logged in at :0 ? (i.e. no pts open) ?
16:46<caseesac>mjt: is my computer having a problem?
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16:47<mjt>edbian: the messaging service were designed for text-only terminals. obviously it does not always work nowadays
16:48<edbian>mjt, I think there is a way that it turns it into notifications.
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16:48<edbian>You know, graphically. Like notify-send does
16:49<mjt>for that there should be notify-receive end running (somesuch - i've no idea what it is)
16:49<mjt>and for example my desktop environment does not have it
16:49<edbian>mjt, No, no. There is a way to write but it shows up similar to a notify-send thing. Graphically.
16:50<mjt>yes, yes. just like old good winpopup service in win95 - if it's running you can send messages, and no if it is not.
16:50<mjt>(or not so good :)
16:50<edbian>mjt, Oh ok. Thanks
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16:51<mjt>something should actually listen, that's what i'm talking about
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16:53<edbian>Is there a way to see who is logged in on other computer on my lan?
16:54<felixs>edbian: w
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16:55<edbian>felixs, How do I use it for another computer? I can't find it in the man page
16:56<PeterNL>ssh you@other-computer who
16:57<cthuluh>edbian: thanks god you need an access to the machine you want to check
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16:57<edbian>cthuluh, makes sense
16:57<edbian>PeterNL, Thanks
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17:00*PeterNL is leaving, bye!
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17:24<Dominus>is there any way to see how many there's connected to files from /var/www/
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17:29<jordanm>Dominus: how many what?
17:29<s_i_m>http clients, perhaps
17:29<Dominus>well.. how many that's browsing my webpage on my server? I've put out some files in /var/www/
17:29<Dominus>and i want to see how many there is browsing them
17:30<s_i_m>Dominus, check logs of your web server
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17:37<jordanm>Dominus: /var/log/apache2/access.log if apache2. netstat for currently open connections
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18:38<k-man>is there a man page for ulimit?
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18:40<jordanm>k-man: its a shell builtin, so "man bash"
18:40<jordanm>or help ulimit
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18:41<jordanm>k-man: unless you mean ulimit() system call, then manpages-dev
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18:56<k-man>thanks jordanm
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19:04<Doggy>i have a old etch disk that worked on my computer but now it won't download the stuff but the lenny disk doesn't even recognize my nic card is there any etch disk i can get that will work still or do they all work and something wrong with my computer i deleted the hard drive to put lenny so now its got no os
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19:05<abrotman>you just have to install and then change the sources.list manually
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19:06<Doggy>okay i try again
19:08<abrotman>!tell Doggy about etch sources.list
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19:14<edbian>Is it possible to configure Debian so that I can choose at the grub menu to boot into a version of Debain that runs entirely in RAM ?
19:15<edbian>Like this? :P
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20:29<destr0>hi there, i have a question, anyone can give me some help?
20:30<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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20:31<destr0>ok, thanks. here we go: i want to install openoffice in my laptop, and i'm using a distro called BT4 (long story) , i dont know it very well but i must to use open office soon, and if someone can help me with it... i'm n00b in linux world :/ (but i'll try)
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20:36<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
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20:37<destr0>thanks anyway.
20:38<tash_>what happened early?
20:38<dpkg>i heard bt is Bhutan, or <bluetooth>, or British Telecom, or <bittorrent>, or <BackTrack>.
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20:58<mib_78sodw>Hi!, I need help for download debian. I have some questions about it, could somebody help me?
20:58<bremner>mib_78sodw: ask away
20:59<mib_78sodw>why dows it has al ot of cd's?
20:59<bremner>there is a lot of packages. But you probably only need the netinstall cd
21:00<bremner>if you have good network connectivity
21:00<mib_78sodw>nope, i have like 300 kb/s
21:00<bremner>sounds good enough
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21:01<mib_78sodw>I don't think so
21:02<mib_78sodw>I would like to download the 700 mb file
21:02<mib_78sodw>the whole cd
21:02<mib_78sodw>but, when i enter to the download page
21:02<mib_78sodw>it has a lot of files
21:02<tash>go for cd 1
21:02<bremner>mib_78sodw: well, I gave my advice...
21:02<mib_78sodw>it has 30 cd
21:03<mib_78sodw>are you sure that i only need the first one?
21:03<tash>netinstall is better
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21:03<mib_78sodw>I'm going to use the netinstall
21:04<tash>it will take long to install than the 700mb cd
21:04<mib_78sodw>how many?
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21:04<tash>a lot
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21:05<tash>but it gets older fast
21:05<mib_78sodw>Thanks tash and bremner fot the advice
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21:35<edbian>How big is your / ? (not including /home)
21:39<abrotman>why does it matter?
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21:40<edbian>abrotman, I was just curious what the typical size is. I know what I use but users on #ubuntu often ask me how big / should be.
21:40<edbian>I usually say 10Gb
21:40<abrotman>this isn't #ubuntu .. i'm sure they have some documentation for suggested sizes .. ask them .. not us
21:41<abrotman>it varies greatly with the machine purpose and other partitions .. there isn't a single answer
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22:01<edbian>Think I fixed my browser problem! :D
22:01<caseesac>For ubuntu: / 3gb /usr 5gb /var 3gb /tmp 1gb
22:02<edbian>In case anybody remembers or cares.
22:02<edbian>caseesac, ha, thanks. I got yelled at for asking about that though.
22:04<caseesac>edbian: i'm just here to help
22:04<edbian>caseesac, It was helpful :)
22:04<bremner>anyway, with LVM, partitions can be resized pretty easily.
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22:34<cable>how can can I check and see what my hardware consist of
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22:35<supplicant>cable: well
22:35<supplicant>cat /proc/cpuinfo
22:35<supplicant>cat /proc/meminfo
22:35<firstnevyn>dmidecode is fun too
22:35<abrotman>!whats my hardware
22:35<dpkg>You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw, or even dmesg to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! If you install lshw, run "lshw -html > myhardware.html" as root and you'll have a nice HTML summation. See also <myram>, <driver locator>.
22:35<abrotman>or use commas .. jeez
22:35<supplicant>alrighty then
22:35*firstnevyn hides from the wrath of abrotman
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22:36*abrotman wonders why nevyn and firstnevyn have different nicks on different networks
22:37<firstnevyn>because nevyn is registered on oftc by someonewho's not me :(
22:38<abrotman>did you ask to get it back?
22:38<abrotman>or get it
22:38<firstnevyn>I havn't yet asked nicely but I will.
22:38<abrotman>hasn't been used in over a year ..
22:39<firstnevyn>this is a good point and one that had escaped my attention
22:39<abrotman>see #oftc i suppose
22:39<jordanm>that reminds me, I need to ask for jordanm_ on freenode... which apparently someone else registered
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22:49<lAquiles>Buenas noches
22:49<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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22:53<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
22:54<dpkg>ch is probably Switzerland or Confoederatio Helvetica. There is also a Swiss Debian Association: which lives in . See also on Freenode.
22:54<dpkg>rumour has it, cn is China, or for help in chinese please join #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
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23:07<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, 1337 is lamer talk for cool,, or shitkitty talk, or
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23:27<rafael_lion>how can I make the gnome applications accept sudo as a validation method?
23:28<rafael_lion>I'm aware of that, but I'd like to open the software center, for example, and type my user passwd, not the root
23:28<rafael_lion>is that doable?
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23:30<jordanm>doesn't sound like a good idea
23:31<rafael_lion>why is that?
23:31<firstnevyn>is a good idea. and su-to-root as provided by menu should support this.
23:31<rafael_lion>I mean, my user is already in sudoers and I can escalate privileges in terminal
23:31<rafael_lion>but I can't get it to work in gnome
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23:32<jordanm>firstnevyn: software-center does not use su-to-root by default in its .desktop, unlike synaptic
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23:32<jordanm>rafael_lion: change the .desktop. you can use "edit menu" in gnome.
23:32<firstnevyn>jordanm: any chance that's a policy violation?
23:33<jordanm>firstnevyn: I would hope so, but no, I don't think it is
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23:33<Gingerbread-Man>rafael_lion gksudo has a gconf option for setting sudo or su as default mechanism
23:33<jordanm>feel free to add a comment about lack of su-to-root
23:34<rafael_lion>I set gksu-settings as sudo, but it still asks for root pw
23:34<rafael_lion>read gksu-properties
23:34<Gingerbread-Man>if its set to sudo it may still ask for root password but it should accept the user password :-)
23:34<rafael_lion>it doesn't
23:35<rafael_lion>I have 3 .gnome dirs. which one's .config should I edit?
23:35<jordanm>you should never had to edit those files directly
23:36<rafael_lion>So what should I do? I edited sudoers, I edited gksu-properties...
23:36<rafael_lion>I'm new to Debian, being more used to Slack so editing files is not so strange
23:36<jordanm>rafael_lion: did you try changing the .desktop command like I suggested?
23:37<jordanm>rafael_lion: use the edit menu in gnome and change the command to prefix gksudo
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23:37<jordanm>rafael_lion: editing files for system administration is perfectly fine and normal.. but not for DE configuration IMO
23:38<jordanm>that is a major reason to run a DE instead of a plain window manager for me...
23:38<rafael_lion>I've opened the edit menu and I got a list of apps
23:39<rafael_lion>now what?
23:40<jordanm>rafael_lion: system is at the bottom
23:40<jordanm>2010-10-24 23:37 < jordanm> rafael_lion: use the edit menu in gnome and change the command to prefix gksudo
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23:41<rafael_lion>and I'll have to do that for all the applications I want to accept sudo?
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23:42<rafael_lion>can't I automate that, as a global setting?
23:42<jordanm>the others should use su-to-root. see man su-to-root
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23:43<jordanm>actually, it looks like only synaptics does
23:43<jordanm>guess so, if it works
23:43<rafael_lion>for what I can make of the man file, it means I have to make a list of programs I want in /etc/su-to-rootrc. Is that it? They'll then accept sudo?
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23:44<jordanm>rafael_lion: no, you would set the SU_TO_ROOT_X environment variable to gksudo
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23:46<devnullcat>Hello, I'm trying to retitle a bug report with but when I send in plain text email it's wrapped at 80 chars and half the title gets cut off as it's part of the next line - is there a way in debian bug control to wrap a command onto two lines?
23:48<jordanm>devnullcat: set your MUA not to wordwrap
23:48<jordanm>devnullcat: or use the bts command if you have a properly setup MTA
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23:50<devnullcat>jordanm: what do you mean the bts command? sorry I'm a newb. thanks
23:50<rafael_lion>jordanm, I couldn't figure out where to set that variable to gksudo. Where should I do that?
23:52<rafael_lion>what if I added :/usr/bin/software-center to my user's line in sudoers?
23:52<jordanm>devnullcat: "man bts"
23:53<devnullcat>jordanm: do you recall which package provides that? thanks
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23:55<jordanm>rafael_lion: I don't recall exacty, .xsessionrc or something like that
23:56<jordanm>devnullcat: apt-file search bin/bts
23:56<jordanm>,file bin/bts
23:56<judd>bin/bts in lenny/i386: devscripts: usr/bin/bts
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23:59<rafael_lion>I'll take a look.
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