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#debian IRC Logs for 2010-10-26

---Logopened Tue Oct 26 00:00:27 2010
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01:03<babbelut>hello all, can someone help me? I don't know how to update transmission on my WD mybook, which has debian on it... I can enter it via ssh
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01:04<jordanm>babbelut: what do you mean update?
01:04<jordanm>babbelut: install a newer version?
01:05<babbelut>jordanm: yes, install the last version, I now have 2.04 but the last one is 2.11
01:06<jordanm>babbelut: ehh. what version of debian is this?
01:06<nick>how to change logon screen in ubuntu
01:06<jordanm>nick: ask #ubuntu on freenode
01:07<nick>where can i find freenode
01:07<jordanm>nick: depends on the irc client. /connect
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01:08<jordanm>babbelut: what is strange is 2.04 has never been in debian. where did you get it?
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01:10<jordanm>babbelut: that is not supported here
01:10<babbelut>jordanm: why not
01:11<jordanm>babbelut: because it is not provided by debian
01:11<jordanm>seek support with whoever wrote that article, or from transmission upstream
01:11<babbelut>jordanm: but i am sure debian runs on it
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01:12<jordanm>babbelut: doesn't matter
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01:13<jordanm>in #debian we support the transmission that is provided by debian, not upstream software, which is supported by upstream
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01:17<Rascal>Let the games begin.
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01:20<Rascal>Middle finger to yall.
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01:39<wiz_>some help please
01:40<wiz_>i cant get a cannon cam to pick up on the usb any ideas?
01:40<wiz_>useing lmde
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01:44<gsimmons>dpkg: lmde
01:44<dpkg>Linux Mint is a distribution based on <Ubuntu>, which also has a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) available, based on <testing>. Neither is supported in #debian. Please use the support forums at or join #linuxmint-help on for support. See also <based on Debian>.
01:46<wiz_>having trouble getting a cannon cam to pick up on the usb in lmde any ideas whats missing?
01:46<jordanm>wiz_: gsimmons was trying to point out that you are in the wrong channel
01:46<jm_>screen reading skills are missing
01:46*jordanm wonders why they don't use freenode like everyone else
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01:48<nevyn>what like debian... who 'officially' moved to oftc like 3 years ago
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02:10<jes_123>Hi - i have debian running as a virtualbox guest - I have ftp server setup on the machine
02:10<jes_123>but unable to connect to the box through FTP
02:10<jes_123>i get access denied when I give uname/password
02:10<jes_123>any idea how I could trouble shoot this?
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02:11<alvarezp>jes_123: what have you tried?
02:11<jes_123>sorry - it's not access denied actually
02:12<jes_123>I get this msg from smartftp client "A connection attempt failed because the connected party did not properly respond after a period of time,"
02:12<alvarezp>jes_123: do you have ping to the host?
02:12<jes_123>alvarezp: I am able to locally run ftp -> i.e. ftp localhost in the box itself
02:12<jes_123>avarezp: it's running on a virtualbox
02:13<alvarezp>do you have ping to the host?
02:13<jes_123>so I have forwarded port 2100 to port 21 on the virtualbox
02:13<jes_123>so i connect using ftp localhost port 2100
02:13<jes_123>so ping is essentially ping to localhost
02:13<jes_123>the virtualbox is set up NAT networking
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02:14<jes_123>I get this
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02:15<alvarezp>jes_123: from where are you trying to connect by ftp?
02:15<jm_>forwarding one port is not enough for ftp
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02:15<jm_>try using active ftp in the client
02:16<jes_123>jm_ -> let me try
02:16<jm_>or switch to something simpler, like sftp
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02:16<jm_>or http
02:17<jes_123>jm_ -> what server package do I need to install for sftp?
02:17<jm_>jes_123: ssh server
02:18<jes_123> openssh-server 1:4.3p2-9etch3
02:18<jes_123> lsh-server 2.0.2-1.1
02:18<jes_123>is either of these good?
02:18<jm_>the former - and I advise against using etch any longer
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02:19<jes_123>need to upgrade :-( have been putting it off for some time
02:19<jes_123>because this is a virtualbox, I use mainly to try out a few things
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02:27<alvarezp>jm_: did you mean passive?
02:28<jm_>alvarezp: no, passive needs to be disabled - active is probably not the right word for it
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02:34<jes_123>jm_: I got sftp working, thank you
02:35<umarzuki>hi, i cannot install ttf-mscorefonts-installer, it failed when downloading the exe for those fonts
02:36<umarzuki>says it could not resolve host but i can go online
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02:48<jm_>!get msttcorefonts
02:49<jm_>maybe check BTS for this package
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02:53<the-dude>umarzuki: sometimes the mirros are broken/unreachable
02:53<jm_>the fonts themselves are not on mirrors
02:54<umarzuki>i guess the fonts was moved
02:54<jm_>not debian mirrors anyway
02:54<jm_>yeah that's why I said check BTS
02:54<the-dude> or something iirc
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02:55<the-dude>euh *
02:56<jm_>heh no bugs?
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02:58<umarzuki>jm_, no but about not able to resolve fonts
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03:02<jm_>umarzuki: which version of the package are you using?
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03:04<umarzuki>jm_, 2.7
03:05<jm_>umarzuki: right, I tested the script from 3.3 and it works
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03:05<umarzuki>straight away from lenny repo
03:05<umarzuki>i need to use backports instead?
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03:05<jm_>it's not on backports unfortunatelly
03:07<umarzuki>i'm going to do a debian demo on a local open source event in my country (.my) so i need to at least pull everything from stable
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03:07<umarzuki>just for the impression audience can have "standard" fonts for OOo
03:08<umarzuki>or i could just resort to copying those ttf fonts straight from windows and run fc-cache
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03:10<jm_>yeah or use liberation fonts or somesuch
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03:32<niceworldorder>sorry I am totally new to this and I am not seeing any conversation am I missing something
03:32<devil>you see no conversation if noone has anything to say :)
03:32<niceworldorder>ah thanks
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03:34<niceworldorder>so is this a meeting? is this run as a meeting?
03:35<dondelelcaro>niceworldorder: if you have a question you ask. If someone else does, and you know the answer, you answer. that's it.
03:36<niceworldorder>sorry I have not used mIRC much - is this a recovery meeting?
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03:37<dondelelcaro>this is #debian. If you don't have a Debian related question, you're in the wrong place.
03:37<niceworldorder>haha... not today. take care.
03:37<dubst>I lol'd
03:38*kop is not sure if he's still recovering from MS or not.
03:38<niceworldorder>I am using Ubuntu so I guess I am ok
03:38<kop>niceworldorder: Sadly, debian is not ubuntu.
03:38<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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03:39<niceworldorder>ok take care bye y'all
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03:40<dubst>I lol'd
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03:42<devil>funny enough, MS as abbrevation is not unique anymore
03:45<weasel>never was
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03:47<devil>it was for a while in the free software context
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04:26<tarzeau>can i just run mdadm --manage --stop /dev/md0 to get rid of a raid 0?
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04:29<mercutio22>empathy is not changinf status to away automatically... is that normal?
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04:30<EmleyMoor>When I log in, I am no longer being prompted for my ssh passphrase... as a result I have to type it when needed. How do I sort this? (GNOME desktop, if relevant)
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04:31<EmleyMoor>(ssh-askpass-gnome is on the system, just not being called upon)
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04:36<EmleyMoor>My laptop does it right so comparing
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04:38<EmleyMoor>Where does gnome get hold of what to do when someone logs in via gdm3?
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04:48*EmleyMoor is really scratching his head over this
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04:51<EmleyMoor>My laptop and desktop must differ somehow but I have no idea how
04:55*EmleyMoor thinks he has found it
04:57<EmleyMoor>Done :-)
04:57<mattcen>Well don't keep us in suspense, what did you change :P?
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05:00<EmleyMoor>My desktop was missing the "Get ssh passphrase" entry in "Startup Applications"
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05:11<petrus>hia ll
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05:13<petrus>can anybody pls tell me how i see eroor logs when no log files exist under /var/log/messages
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05:15<EmleyMoor>petrus: /var/log contains other files and directories
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05:16<petrus>right but i want to know how i can debug for example apache without logfiles in /var/log
05:19<EmleyMoor>Anything in /var/log/apache2?
05:19<EmleyMoor>And, if not, you need to fix whatever is stopping there being any
05:20<petrus>there are the logs from apache2 i have the logs there but i want to know how i can debug without the logfiles
05:20<EmleyMoor>Why do you want to know that? Explain your problem
05:21<mattcen>petrus: /var/log/syslog is also a big one; it's basically the equivalent of /var/log/messages on a redhat-based system, but yes, for Apache logs, /var/log/apache2 is probably what you want.,
05:21<Mrkva>even if this specific exploit does not work in debian, the auditing feature in glibc is still exploitable
05:22<Mrkva>are there any known workarounds?
05:23<petrus>i dont have a problem i have the logs there but i am asked from my boss how it works
05:23<petrus>that was a test
05:23<EmleyMoor>petrus: A test of what?
05:24<petrus>of my experience
05:24<petrus>in linux
05:24<petrus>but i dont know the answer
05:24<jm_>so perhaps read apache docs
05:24<EmleyMoor>First priority, if you have something not working and not logging is fix the problem preventing it logging
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05:25<petrus>thats right emleymoor but it was not the right answer for my boss :(
05:26<EmleyMoor>Is his surname "Noble"?
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05:28<petrus>i dont know the command how i can solve problems without log files
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05:28<petrus>apache was a example
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05:29<petrus>ok thx for help i will read more mans ;)
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05:29<petemc>you would have to go out of your way to disable logging on a debian syste,
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05:30<EmleyMoor>In general, if logging doesn't work, the filesystem the logs should be on in the problem
05:30<petrus>i dont want to disable logs i only want to know how it works without it
05:30<petrus>i must go thy for help
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05:32<EmleyMoor>Are there any particular USB Bluetooth adapters to buy/avoid for a Debian system?
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05:33<petemc>i bought a few usb bluetooth adapters in the pound store, only1 GBP each and they work find in debian
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05:34<EmleyMoor>petemc: Thanks - might add Bluetooth to my desktop
05:34<anabain>hi, I'm having trouble with last upgrade of grub in debian sid, as kernels are not seen. Googling I've found that this sever bug was already fixed...
05:34<EmleyMoor>My laptop has it built in
05:34<alexmata>alguien habla español?
05:35<anabain>but how can I reinstall the new grub on to the system? Can I do it with chroot?
05:35<petemc>anabain: /msg dpkg fixmbr
05:36<anabain> /msg dpkg fixmbr
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05:36<EmleyMoor>(without the leading space)
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05:37<anabain>EmleyMoor, thanks
05:39<anabain>but the problem I have is that I have no cd disks with grub2 (id there any?)
05:39<anabain>* is
05:39<anabain>or the procedure indicated is also valid if you have grub2 installed?
05:40<anabain>UBCD is UbuntuCD?
05:40<EmleyMoor>Ultimate Boot CD
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05:40<anabain>I'll try it
05:40<EmleyMoor>Includes GRUB and GRUB2 boot discs
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05:44<jm_>you only need something that will let you mount /
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05:48<anabain>jm_, I have an ubuntu cd running on the system and I've mounted / in /mnt, but what do I have to do now? (BTW, I'm also downloading UBCD)
05:49<jm_>!tell anabain -about fixmbr
05:49<jm_>anabain: did you see that?
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05:49<jm_>ok so apply those steps to your setup
05:49<anabain>but I'm asking if I will have any problems because I have installed grub2 onto my system
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05:50<jm_>probably not, but who knows
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05:50<anabain>I'll give it a try...
05:50<jm_>ahh i see, yes procedure is the same
05:50<jm_>it also has /usr/sbin/grub-install command
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05:53<anabain>another question is that, once chrooted, if I use the current wrong installed package the commands to restore a working grub won't work, so...
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05:54<jm_>i see no question
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05:54<anabain>if I'm chrooted and download manually the fixed grub2 package from can I install it with dpkg -i ?
05:55<jm_>are you sure you have all the dependencies? is it the right package for your release?
05:55<jm_>if the answer is yes then dpkg -i will work
05:55<anabain>I meant checking all that stuff, yes
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06:04<andrewraharjo>hello everyone
06:04<andrewraharjo>anybody in here was using snort ?
06:05<devil>please ask a real question
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06:06<andrewraharjo>about configuring snort after snort installation
06:06<andrewraharjo>that's what I meant
06:06<andrewraharjo>after configuring snort.conf then what I should do ?
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06:07<andrewraharjo>try to using snort as NIDS(Network Intrusion Detection System)
06:07<andrewraharjo>if somebody know please answer my question
06:07<andrewraharjo>I would be thankful for the answer
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06:37<dpkg>aspire: VATTENE VIA!
06:37<aspire>scusami nn sono pratico mi aiuti
06:37<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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06:39<locklace>how early in life are italians trained to !list
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06:42<Dominus>Squid is quite hard. Does any of you know any guides that will explain how to setup squid on debian in some easy steps?
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06:43<mAniAk->for what purpose
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06:44<Dominus>web proxy
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06:47<Silvino>Hello, im having problems width disk, is parking/unparking the head's very quick.
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06:48<Silvino>im using ext4,
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06:56<petemc>just googling for squid debian works here
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07:32<Dominus>Is there any way to re-create the standard squid.conf file?
07:32<Dominus>I messed it up, a lot.
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07:36<dubst>apt-get install squid --reinstall should do it I believe.
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07:46<cmot>yodel! I've just had a server crash on a unrecoverable ECC error and am now running memtest86+
07:46<cmot>anybody got an idea why memtest86+ says "ECC: disabled" although it's enabled in bios?
07:47<cmot>chipset just too recent?
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08:44<Jarlaxe>hi, anybody would help me about a nat between 2 pc ? I usually follow this tuto and it works good. But i reinstalled the A's Debian (a sid to a stable squeeze), and i have a ping problem : A pings B is ok, B pings A back locked : 100% loss. I try to look around iptables, tutos, etc, i don't find how to unlock it. any idea ?
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08:58<dijz>Hi, often I get stranges caracter ^P, ^N at files /var/lib/dpkg/available and status. I have squeeze, and about one week ago I dont sucess browser by iceweasel, firefox or opera. With firefox and opera every minute I get crash, and with iceweasel I dont have browser bar... Anybody have someno sugest before try reinstall?
08:59<dijz>reinstall the system
08:59<Jarlaxe>purge and reinstall iceweasel ...
08:59<dijz>Jarlaxe, I try reinstall... I will try purge and reinstall
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09:00<Jarlaxe>djiz: check all packages related to iceweasel with a tool like aptitude
09:01<Jarlaxe>and erase all the conf file/profile in the home
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09:05<dijz>Jarlaxe, I move .mozilla at home to .xmoz and purge and install new iceweasel, I get same error
09:06<themill>dijz: files randomly getting new characters in them like that sounds a lot like filesystem corruption (possibly dying hardware). Running debsums might give you an idea of the extent of the damage (or might cause the dying hardware to die completely)
09:06<dijz>I have synaptic, but I never use it, I use apt-get in a terminal...
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09:06<Jarlaxe>the log tells you only these strange ^p and ^n ?
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09:07<dijz>^p and other I read at apt-get
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09:08<dijz>themill, How I can run debsums?
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09:09<Jarlaxe>is it only about browsers these kind of logs ?
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09:09<dpkg>i guess debsums is a utility that will check a package's files against their checksums. The "-a" argument will instruct it to also check configuration files.
09:10<dijz>Jarlaxe, when I run apt-get update, and apt-get upgrade, if package are upgraded, so I can read about ^p or ^n ...
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09:12<dijz>apt-get upgrade: apt-get saw I have one packge to upgrade, but dont show who is it, and dont upgrade it
09:12<Jarlaxe>djiz: wich version do you use ?
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09:13<Jarlaxe>wich debian do you use i mean
09:13<dijz>uname -a : Linux tx 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Tue Oct 19 14:40:34 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
09:14<Jarlaxe>same as me... i don't know what bugs on your system ...
09:15<Jarlaxe>would it related to hardware ?
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09:15<Jarlaxe>or something else : i had once a bad install of firefox with some profile files into the / and /etc, they put me the hell. Check it we never know
09:16<dijz>I dont know...
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09:16<Jarlaxe>you said the problem was only with broswers ?
09:16<dijz>mv .mozilla .xmoz
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09:17<dijz>The great problem is use internet
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09:19<fram>Hi! I'm trying to install debian testing by booting the iso from grub2, which is fine until the installer menu asks for cd-rom drivers that it cannot find and fails. Looks like netinst doesn't "understand" that it is booted from iso and looks for the media in the cdrom... what can I do? To boot the iso I do "linux (loop)/install.amd/vmlinux initrd (loop)/install.amd/initrd.gz boot"
09:19<dijz>Jarlaxe, Now i get: $ ./komp/inst/firefox/firefox
09:19<dijz>./komp/inst/firefox/firefox-bin: /lib/i686/cmov/ version `GLIBC_20' not found (required by ./komp/inst/firefox/
09:20<dijz>There are easy way to reinstall the system? Jarlaxe
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09:21<Jarlaxe>dijz: i don't know what is this ./komp/... an easy way ? I guess the "normal way" is enough ... ?
09:21<dijz>themill, I read "man dpkg" and dont find about debsums
09:21<Jarlaxe>install from the netinstall and it's ok
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09:22<dijz>Jarlaxe, no, this is path to my install, I get firefox-3.6.11.tar.bz2 and run tar -vxjpf firefox-3.6.11.tar.bz2 here
09:23<dijz>Jarlaxe, netinstall, ok!
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09:24<Jarlaxe>maybe you should installed firefox from the official apt-get/aptitude way ... ?
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09:25<dijz>Jarlaxe, by apt-get I dont have firefox, but iceweasel
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09:25<Jarlaxe>icewaesel IS firefox, just name changed because of copyright (and maybe a few other stuff), but it is the debian offcicial firefox
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09:26<dijz>Jarlaxe, yes...
09:27<Jarlaxe>where did you get the firefox.tar file ? from the mozilla official site ?
09:28<dijz>and I have iceweasel from apt-get
09:28<lgn>I have a problem with MIME type detection on debian squeeze amd64:
09:28<lgn>all files are marked as text/plain
09:28<Jarlaxe>you use a and64 system ?
09:29<Jarlaxe>oups ! Ign sorry ! I though still talking to dijz ^^
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09:30<lgn>no problem
09:31<Jarlaxe>dijz: reinstall the system and install properly iceweasel from apt-get. Then you'll see if it works, to go further. I would do that
09:31<lgn>just like to know wether this is a known problem or anyone had the same issues and found a solution
09:31<Jarlaxe>Ign: i have no experience at all with amd64 system... sorry
09:31<dijz>ok, see you later!
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09:32<lgn>is not necessarily a amd64-related problem only but guess this information might be important
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09:33<Jarlaxe>Ign: i use japanese/chinese/arabic with scim on squeeze 32bits. It works, but i still have some issues. Do we talk about similar stuff here ?
09:34<lgn>no I don't think so..
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09:34<lgn>the problem is here that there's no filetype detection working at all..
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09:35<lgn>so all files no matter if .pdf .mp3 whatever are detected als text/plain
09:35<Jarlaxe>well something has been destroyed somehow ...
09:36<Jarlaxe>should wait help from somebody else then ... good luck.
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09:42<Silicium01>Is intel HD grapics powerful enough to have my laptop connect to a larger screen and run fullscreen flash or AVCHD media?
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09:58<lgn>(266)-~% xdg-mime query filetype ~/Downloads/vonkorff_thesis_full_051010.pdf
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09:59<lgn>this comes out no matter what type the file is
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10:05<lgn>doing a restart..brb
10:07<Silicium01>is HDMI supported in linux?
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10:10<lgn>ok..i could fix the problem with 'aptitude reinstall mime-support'
10:10<lgn>no idea what caused it though
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10:28<maxter>saludos a todos desde Cuba
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10:28<supplicant>!es | maxter
10:28<dpkg>| maxter: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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10:48<gnuu>i can cashout logins and billpay instantly....share 50/ me if you are interested....let us make fast money$$$
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11:14<dotCOMmie>Are there any Debian SVG/PDF Poster graphics?
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11:17<lgn>do you mean the logo?
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11:41<gianks>Hi all!
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11:42<dpkg>hello, supplicant
11:42<supplicant>!hi gianks
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11:47<petrus>hi all spricht hier jemad deutsch
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11:50<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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11:57<Licia>Hello, I feel homesick and I was trying to install debian using an usb stick from windows. I have dd of=\\.\f: and got no error, still it refuses to boot (no error).
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12:02<qq->!usb install
12:02<dpkg>Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use
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12:26<dpkg>petrus: VATTENE VIA!
12:26<petrus>!install debian
12:26<dpkg>There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.)
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13:22<Vbtinhu>Boa tarde
13:22<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
13:22<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
13:23<Vbtinhu>sorry thanks
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13:43<wiz_>hi all
13:43<wiz_>i cant get a cannon cam to pick up on the usb any ideas?
13:43<wiz_><wiz_> useing lmde
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13:44<gsimmons>wiz_: Again, LMDE is not supported here. You would want either #linuxmint-help on or their support forums.
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14:02<pipe>Hm, has anyone here set up pulseaudio on a semi-headless debian?
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14:03<pipe>Most guides and information I find seem to assume a client use, while I'm mostly interested in setting it up as a server.
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14:05<pipe>Apparently you're not even supposed to use it like that
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14:05<retrospectacus>headless servers don't usually need sound...
14:06<pipe>Even if they are a sound server connected to an amplifier?
14:06<pipe>Something that pulseaudio advertise itself to be.. :P
14:06<retrospectacus>no :P then they need sound
14:06*rpetre points at various media centers
14:06<retrospectacus>but then they usually have a DE
14:07<rpetre>not in the desktop sense
14:07<retrospectacus>I tried MMS once, it was ok
14:07<rpetre>i once set mpd on my headless box
14:07<pipe>I have that now
14:08<pipe>But I want to route the sound from my desktop and laptop to that server as well
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14:08<pipe>And my desktop already use pulseaudio, so I thought it would be nice if it could work together somehow
14:08<rpetre>pipe: jackd might help
14:08<rpetre>although you should expect some delays due to buffering
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14:12<pipe>yeah, I don't really require that much performance, so it'd be fine
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14:32<jhutchins_lt>pipe: I've seen that done on a "pull" basis - client pulling audio from server - not as a push setup though, and I don't have any details.
14:33<jhutchins_lt>pipe: Networked sound was around way before pulseaudio (pa) though. pa is mainly an abstraction layer that other programs can use to work with the sound stream.
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14:33<jhutchins_lt>pipe: A little googling on terms like network audio would probably go a long way.
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14:34<amphi>in plan 9, you can just 'import' the remote sound card, and use it like a local one
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14:54<felixs>pipe: you may want to try jackd with CELT compression. that works rather well
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15:12<beer>hmm. I just put in a sd card into my card slots but it does not show up in dolphins. When I enter dmesg I can see " tifm_core: MMC/SD card detected in socket 0:1" but how do I mount it?
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15:13<retrospectacus>mmmmmmm... beer
15:14<beer>when running dmesg I can also see when I remove my card from the slot
15:14<doubledutch>I love Debian and have been using it on the desktop since 2005. I want to get into a programming language but currently don't use any. If I plan on continuing to use Debian which language should I look into familiarizing myself with?
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15:15<retrospectacus>doubledutch: whichever suits the programs you'd like to make
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15:16<Ragazolg>hi !
15:16<doubledutch>retrospectacus; not really sure yet. I was thiiiiinking perl, YEARS ago, but am now unsure. Are GTK and QT going to be around forever and are they C\C++?
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15:17<pipe>people seem to like adding small snippets of python to everything these days
15:18<pipe>because it's the current cool language
15:18<retrospectacus>doubledutch: they are written in c/c++ I think but they have interfaces to other languages like python, if you want to program *for* qt or gtk
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15:22<retrospectacus>doubledutch: for example
15:22<pipe>learn sh and c
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15:22<doubledutch>I have a book on learning the BASH shell - it's a 1995 O'Reilly... I'll go through that and by the end of it I will decide. Thanks all.
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15:22<ompaul>doubledutch: bash has changed ever so slightly since 1995 (that was 15 years ago) it might be more worth your while looking at online docs
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15:23<doubledutch>ompaul; Will do. Is there any scripting/programming stuff that's more urgent to learn if I want to really KNOW Debian than SH or does that more or less come first?
15:23<ompaul>bash is the star
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15:30<valdyn>doubledutch: if you have to ask this you should probably learn some programming in any language first
15:31<valdyn>doubledutch: and I don't think bash is good for learning
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15:33<doubledutch>valdyn; Thank you. I thought of this years ago.
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15:33<ompaul>doubledutch: find a real problem and solve it, that way you have a metric for your progress.
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16:28<drManhattan>hi everyone
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16:29<drManhattan>trying to find some info about non comercial use of youtube
16:29<drManhattan>is there some solution to stream videos on html page
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16:30<doubledutch>drManhattan; yes there is. Hope you return.
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16:31<zildus>I trying to do my windows update avira 10 free antivirus using a squid server
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16:32<zildus>station can ping the avira servers, but the antivirus cannot update...
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17:07<benq>anybody here?
17:07<themill>414 people and 4 bots....
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17:08<benq>and can someone help me?
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17:08<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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17:08<benq>im trying to set owner of folder but chown does not working
17:09<vijay_>whats the error benq
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17:09<benq>the owner is still root
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17:09<vijay_>do you get an error at all
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17:10<benq>i get no message
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17:10<skydoor>do a whoami
17:10<vijay_>ok ..are you trying to set chown permissions to a partition ?
17:11<vijay_>or a directory which will host a partition, probably from fstab ?
17:11<benq>windows partion
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17:12<vijay_>hmm ..there it goes have to modify fstab accordingly ..only then will you be able to let the required user be the owner..
17:12<vijay_>infact, if you are with something like ubuntu, then disable automount for that partition and you are done ..
17:12<vijay_>whomsoever mounts it by double clicking becomes the owner.
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17:13<DebPad>I'm trying to get a DVD of Debian squeeze, (gnome) any idea where I can get it/
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17:13<DebPad>for an intel based cpu, should I get i386?
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17:13<vijay_>yeah debpad. the answer for the latter.
17:14<babilen>DebPad: Depends on your actual CPU. You could probably also install amd64 if you want 64bit. You can download the images from
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17:14<benq>hmm, auto mount is turning off with noauto?
17:14<DebPad>babilen, will I have some problems with 4?
17:15<DebPad>am64 sorry
17:15<DebPad>my cpu is intel i3
17:15<vijay_>yeah rite benq
17:15<vijay_>or coolly remove the entry. guess that should work
17:15<DebPad>and possible driver incompatibilities, etc. Just want to get running fast
17:16<DebPad>By the way guys, for basic gnome install, how many DVDs should I download?
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17:16<babilen>DebPad: You can install both, there are differences, but I wouldn't expect you to run into big problems with amd64
17:16<f8l>DebPad: None.
17:16<babilen>DebPad: Do you plan to do any offline installations?
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17:17<DebPad>babilen, I am planning to test it on several laptops, so I need to avoid netinstall at this point
17:17<f8l>DebPad: You only need the first CD if you want GNOME, but it's better to use netinst if you have Internet during installation.
17:17<babilen>DebPad: DVD1 should contain all you need in that case
17:17<DebPad>f8l, basically I need to test if laptop is supported and return to store if not, so I prefer offline install
17:18<babilen>(or even just CD1)
17:18<DebPad>I'll get first dvd then, thanks babilen
17:18<DebPad>just in case
17:19<DebPad>it's probably a good idea to get testing instead of stable right guys/
17:19<DebPad>cos' it will be stable soon afaik
17:19<babilen>DebPad: You might find and helpful in that case. I personally recommend thinkpads
17:19<amphi>thinkpads FTW
17:20<DebPad>how's HP?
17:20<DebPad>thinkpad is like twice the price of the HP that I'm testing right now
17:21<zildus>hi everyone. i cannot update my windows avira connected thru eth1 using squid. i can ping the avira servers but it can not update. anyone could help me?
17:21<qq->DebPad try debian live ..
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17:22<DebPad>qq-, on live wifi usually does not work, no?
17:22<f8l>DebPad: It depends on hardware.
17:23<qq->DebPad, no needs wifi for tests
17:23<DebPad>f8l, is Realtek and Atheros wifi hardware well supported?
17:23<DebPad>qq-, by test I mean see if all hardware works
17:23<chaos>is there nice driver support for ati mobility radeon hd 5650?
17:24<f8l>DebPad: I think they are. They're quite popular.
17:24<qq->DebPad, Realtek and Atheros wifi usually works
17:24<DebPad>f8l, qq- nice
17:24<babilen>DebPad: As do intel based wifi adaptors
17:25<DebPad>the only question now is whether or not integrated Intel HD grapics card will be able to properly display hd videos on a hdmi connected 1920x1080 screen?
17:25<f8l>babilen: Mine needed a nonfree driver. ;-(
17:25<DebPad>babilen, wasn't able to find one with intel based wifi :(
17:25<babilen>f8l: really? I just needed some (non-free) firmware
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17:28<chaos>is there nice driver support for ati mobility radeon hd 5650? last time i had an ati card it was far from easy to get X working
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17:28<f8l>babilen: Right. I meant firmware.
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18:03<Hawky>hi, anybody here who could help me with a strange problem?
18:04<Hawky>for some reasons my debian displays most of all chars in some giberish way( instead of pressing f and getting f I get a ° for example)
18:05<Hawky>all I did was installing telnet to connect to my router
18:05<Hawky>worked like a charm and after a reboot this problem accured
18:05<chaos>you shouldn't have rebooted :p
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18:06<Hawky>yeah but its on my laptop so had no choice
18:06<amphi>suspend to disk?
18:06<amphi>this is in a text console, or in X?
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18:06<chaos>i don't suppose you have some weirdass keymapping installed?
18:07<Hawky>I did not send it to suspend but maybe somehting like that happened
18:07<Hawky>commands still work
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18:07<chaos>so you type something gibberish appears but it works like it should?
18:08<chaos>what if you type reset?
18:08<Hawky>btw upeprcase letters still work...
18:08<Hawky>ah, okay
18:08<Hawky>it starts working again
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18:08<Hawky>so what has happend here?
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18:08<Hawky>and how do I prevent this in the futre?
18:08<chaos>sometimes when i cat a binary file chars go crazy
18:08<chaos>reset fix it
18:09<chaos>dunno tho how you start with it :)
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18:09<Hawky>okay, so I at least can start workin again and fix maybe the cause
18:10<Hawky>just see that I have a bunch of error messages on boot but all as giberish as my normal text has been
18:10<Hawky>maybe something is wrong ehre, but now I can at least take a look ^^
18:10<chaos>you can read those in /var/log/something
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18:14<Hawky>stupid question, but which one is it? tried kern.log but at least no error I can see here
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18:16<dpkg>hmm... bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to populate /var/log/boot . For the reason behind the default, see (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg).
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18:19<Hawky>okay, I did that, my laptop is now rebooting...
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18:21<Hawky>boot now says "Nothing has been loged yet"
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18:23<Hawky>but I noticed somethign reagarding modprobe in every line at boot
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18:33<Hawky>okay, there are several errors apparently
18:33<Hawky>first I found was that there is no locale.gen anymore
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18:34<Hawky>then I tried to replace it I noticed that my wlan stopped workin as well as my wlan pcmcia card is not found
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18:39<Hawky>I think I will reinstall it ... this looks to be a way to big problem for me...
18:39<Hawky>see ca guys
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19:36<clao>hello, please help. Im using gdm2. I installed Entrance, and selected it instead of gdm, but still gdm is the display manager that runs
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21:01<doubledutch>Any of you aware of any issues when using Wine (and everything works) and Testing goes Stable (Wine upgrades)?
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21:54<bepraaa>Hey guys, need help with sshd and X forwarding.
21:54<bepraaa>Specifically, it doesn't work.
21:55<bepraaa>I set -X in the client but after I log in, $DISPLAY is not set.
21:55<bepraaa>I have configured everything correctly and tried miltiple client machines, but it won't work.
21:55<bepraaa>Any advice?
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21:58<bepraaa>Figures...389 people and nobody's on :(
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22:00<amitz>doubledutch: wine is a difficult to predict creature, no such thing as "everything works". Wine 1.1, since it's already freezing, has little chance to be included in Squeeze.
22:00<amitz>bepraaa: be more specific, what have you done? Did you follow a guide?
22:01<bepraaa>I installed sshd.
22:01<bepraaa>Verified /etc/ssh/sshd_config.
22:01<bepraaa>"X11Forwarding yes
22:01<bepraaa>X11DisplayOffset 10"
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22:02<bepraaa>I am not running an X server on this machine.
22:02<amitz>bepraaa: ah, there is an X component that needs to be available in your server. I forgot the package name.
22:02<bepraaa>I have tried logging in from a kubuntu machine with -X and a windows machine using putty.
22:02<amitz>not xserver/
22:02<gsimmons>dpkg: sshx
22:02<dpkg>You can run X11 apps securely over an ssh connection without <xhost> nor X TCP support. Enable X11Forwarding _on the remote server_ (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (lenny, squeeze) or xbase-clients (etch) on both the client and the server. Then "ssh -X" from the client and run X apps on the remote machine. See also <root x> and <cygwin sshx>.
22:03<bepraaa>Will do and report back.
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22:05<bepraaa>Installed xbase-clients on both machines and it works like a charm.
22:06<bepraaa>Thanks a bunch!
22:06<doubledutch>amitz; THanks
22:07<qq->bepraaa, use etch machines ?
22:09<qq->bad thing
22:09<bepraaa>Or rather, one is Kubuntu.
22:09<bepraaa>But the server is Debian.
22:09<dpkg>Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Removed from the mirrors (2010-06-20); ask me about <etch sources.list>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>.
22:10<bepraaa>Oh crud...
22:10<bepraaa>I thought etch was 5.0
22:10<bepraaa>I'm on lenny; my bad.
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22:14<bepraaa>Now that's interesting...I uninstalled xbase-clients on both machines and did an autoremove.
22:14<bepraaa>And it still works just fine...
22:14<bepraaa>What's with that?
22:14<bepraaa>I mean, installing something and then removing it should put things back how they were, right
22:14<bepraaa>Ah well, it works so I'm happy.
22:15<qq->lenny use xauth
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22:25<DebPad>Guys, is a live cd supposed to have wifi work out of the box?
22:26<jordanm>many wireless cards in debian require firmware, making the live version somewhat less useful
22:27*jordanm uses knoppix, which is very similar derivative, but notes to everyone that it is not supported here
22:27<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
22:27<doubledutch>jordanm; joking of course. ;)
22:28*jordanm erases what he was typing :)
22:29<DebPad>jordanm, so it is likely that after real install wifi will work?
22:29<jordanm>DebPad: and installation of non free firmware. we can check if you give us the pciid using lspci -nn
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22:30<DebPad>jordanm, let me try one sec
22:30<doubledutch>DebPad; and some will be supported out of the box with certain kernels, as per:
22:30<DebPad>by the way guys, when I tried to run a hd video in live cd, it was chopy and cpu was showing 100%
22:31<DebPad>just curious, is this because codecs are missing?
22:32<DebPad>jordanm, how do I find out pciid from lspci -nn?
22:32<jordanm>its a live cd... and hd decoding is CPU intensive. if codecs were missing, it wouldn't work at all
22:32<DebPad>I ran that but does not look like it's there
22:32<jordanm>DebPad: feel free to pastebin the entire output
22:33<DebPad>jordanm, cant pastebin, that's the other laptop no internet on it
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22:33<jordanm>plug it in?
22:33<DebPad>jordanm, ok, give me a min
22:35<rajeev>how to change the default gcc version in Ubuntu 10.10? need to change 4.4 to 4.5, having installed 4.5 using synaptic
22:36<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
22:36<bepraaa>Damn, that bot has a macro for everything...
22:37<qq->!confuse bepraaa
22:37<dpkg>No, those is our snake yesterday, bepraaa? Trousers of the Monarchy of Swaziland with extra anchovies.
22:37<jordanm>!beer qq-
22:37*dpkg pulls out an excellent Jever for qq-
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22:38*bepraaa is thoroughly amazed.
22:38<dpkg>from memory, la is Laos. Lame Abbreviation/Acronym
22:39<jordanm>many years of things being added. 39319 total factoids
22:39<bepraaa>Holy crap!
22:39<bepraaa>1m hits...:O
22:39<jordanm>bepraaa: many of them are aliases however. pointers to the same factoid
22:40<dpkg>The Realtek RTL8191SE is a PCI-E 802.11n wireless LAN chipset (PCI-IDs 10ec:8171, 10ec:8172). Not supported by the mainline Linux kernel at this time. Vendor driver (rtl8192se) is available from . See also <rtl8192se>.
22:40<jordanm>yeah, i recall that being.. like the worst one you can have these days
22:40<gsimmons>jordanm: You found another one. :)
22:41<DebPad>Is that about my wifi/
22:42<DebPad>jordanm, I guess I'll need to bring this laptop back ha?
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22:43<jordanm>I would, if its still something you can bring back. I would prefer broadcom over that, and I not very fond broadcom
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22:44<DebPad>jordanm, ok, I'll take it back. Just need your advice regarding the grapics card
22:44<DebPad>this one has intel hd, integrated
22:44<jordanm>DebPad: you can get it to work, but it requires manually building the drivers, without readily available documentation for doing so
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22:44<DebPad>is that good enough to run high def video on a connected 1920x1080 display?
22:45<jordanm>intel HD is fine, asside from a couple models that had issues with KMS
22:45<jordanm>I think that those were older cards though
22:45<DebPad>jordanm, I should not have problems with high def movies and compresed video on a connected 1920x1080 screen right/
22:46<jordanm>1920x1080? couldn't say. I have a GTX 260 on my 1920x1080. my intel only serves a 1280x800, but its ok with that
22:47<DebPad>jordanm, I connected it with windows7 and it was fine, with live cd it was choppy but as you mentioned it may be the live cd issue
22:47<jordanm>although, I am the wrong person to ask about multimedia stuff..
22:47<jordanm>I am not much in to it
22:47<DebPad>no problem :)
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22:48<DebPad>jordanm, thanks for all your help.
22:49<DebPad>when I choose another laptop, what are the best wifi manufacturers that are more likely to work?
22:49<DebPad>is Atheros good?
22:49<DebPad>(i think that's how they spell is) jordanm
22:49<dpkg>Atheros Communications is a developer of semiconductors. Ask me about <ath5k>, <ath9k> or <ar9170> for stable wireless LAN chipset drivers; <ar5523>, <ath9k_htc> or <carl9170> for wireless drivers under development. The non-free <madwifi> driver was removed from Debian post-Lenny. Ask me about <atl1>, <atl2>, <atl1e> or <atl1c> for Ethernet adapter drivers.
22:50<DebPad>dpkg intel
22:50<dpkg>Intel Corporation is a semiconductor manufacturer. For support of wireless LAN chipsets, ask me about <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>. For support of Ethernet chipsets, ask me about <e100>, <e1000>, <e1000e>, <igb>. For support of WiMAX devices, ask me about <i2400m-usb>. For support of integrated graphics chipsets, ask me about <intel-gfx>. See also <speedstep>.
22:50<jordanm>I don't see many atheros these days. but perhaps that because users of them are never in the channel trying tyo get it to work :)
22:51<DebPad>what are top manufacturers that I should try to get?
22:51<jordanm>DebPad: atheros is your best bet for "out of the box", but intel is more common, and fairly easy to get working
22:51<DebPad>intel is better supported right? when it comes to wifi
22:51<DebPad>jordanm, ok, great
22:52<dpkg>All there is worth knowing about Linux and laptops can be found at and . For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. Also ask me about <acpi>, <laptop mode>, <netbook>, <pcmcia>, <suspend>. . See also the debian-laptop mailing list:
22:52<DebPad>I'll go start packing this one and find something else
22:52<DebPad>thanks again
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23:11<jaimesilva>hello everyone!
23:13<jaimesilva>I've looked and can't find a package for xsplash or usplash for squeeze or sid all I can find is the old splashy, is there no support for that kind of apps? I just want my laptop to look |<()()|_ when it starts up...
23:13<jaimesilva>or shuts down...
23:14<jaimesilva>I hate it when those Ubuntu laptops of my friends look nicer than mine hehehe
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23:20<rajeev>g++ problem ---rajeev@nix:/usr/bin$ g++
23:20<rajeev>/usr/bin/g++-4.5: not found (hardened-c++ could not find target)
23:21<rajeev>may be this is not the right forum?
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23:23<jordanm>rajeev: no, its not. I told you long ago that ubuntu is not supported here
23:24<jordanm>jaimesilva: those use plymouth
23:24<jordanm>,versions plymouth
23:24<judd>Package plymouth on i386 -- squeeze: 0.8.3-9.1; sid: 0.8.3-17
23:26<jaimesilva>thanks jordanm!
23:26<jaimesilva>thanks judd!
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23:27<jordanm>jaimesilva: anytime
23:29<jaimesilva>I can see it suggests gdm but I use kdm, will it bring me troubles?
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23:31<jaimesilva>My graphic card has drm working fine, should I install plymouth-drm, plymouth-x11 or just plymouth?
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23:34<jaimesilva>wth I'm already trying with plymouth-drm
23:34*jaimesilva crosses fingers
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23:37<jordanm>well.. i would have had look at the readme first, but ok
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23:39<jaimesilva>well, it worked but is ugly, now I must find out how to configure it
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23:41<jordanm>jaimesilva: /usr/share/docs/plymouth/README.Debian
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23:43<Silicium01>dpkg ATI
23:43<dpkg>To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <radeonhd>, <fglrx>. See also <radeon vs radeonhd>. Installing proprietary drivers from (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (
23:44<Silicium01>is ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5470 supported?
23:45<jordanm>Silicium01: by which driver and which version of debian?
23:45<Silicium01>jordanm, not sure which driver, but I was thinking squeeze
23:46<Silicium01>jordanm, I was looking at this:
23:46<jordanm>Silicium01: personally, I wouldn't buy a sony
23:47<dpkg>[thinkpad] one of the best laptops you can buy, or a thing that dies when your car hits it, according to abrotman. Some models restrict MiniPCI card use, see . See also <hdapsd>, <martian>, <mwavem>, <slmodem>, <synaptics>, <tpb>, <trackpoint>. ##ibmthinkpad on
23:48<jaimesilva>Is thinkpad still as good now that it is Lenovo instead of IBM, or is it the same?
23:49<Silicium01>jaimesilva, I kinda wonder about that too
23:49<valdyn>jaimesilva: they're a little cheaper and a little worse in quality
23:50<Silicium01>jordanm, my only problem with buying a thinkpad is that I wil have to order online and there is no way I can return if it is incompatible
23:50<Silicium01>like wifi for example
23:50<valdyn>jaimesilva: but last i checked with still great cs, but thats 2 years ago
23:51<jordanm>jaimesilva: the last one I had for work was still awesome. the one I had before was an IBM
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23:51<jordanm>Silicium01: check it out before you buy
23:51<jordanm>!tell Silicium01 about laptops
23:52<Silicium01>jordanm, I checked out that site, no mention of newer models
23:52<jaimesilva>why IBM why! why did you drop the Thinkpad! and why didn't you buy Sun! :'(
23:53<valdyn>jaimesilva: they always had low quality consumer and better business stuff, you get what you pay for...
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23:55<jaimesilva>well, since I'm happy with a Dell Inspiron 1420 I guess I could be fine with a Lenovo Thinkpad, I also like Toshiba how about those?
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23:59<jordanm>my one toshiba had nice debian compatbility but was crap in every other way
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