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---Logopened Sat Oct 30 00:00:43 2010
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00:03<kop>Silicium01: Link on the right to
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00:04<Silicium01>kop, show Notebook vendors link right?
00:06<Silicium01>dpkg thinkpad
00:06<dpkg>[thinkpad] one of the best laptops you can buy, or a thing that dies when your car hits it, according to abrotman. Some models restrict MiniPCI card use, see . See also <hdapsd>, <martian>, <mwavem>, <slmodem>, <synaptics>, <tpb>, <trackpoint>. ##ibmthinkpad on
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01:05<syntax>do not forget this campaign -- We are more than 1% --
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01:22<the-dude>doh wrong window 2 early /o\
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01:24<tash>today is my b-day
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02:28<gunnargumpert>is this the helpchannel for linux?
02:28<gunnargumpert>ist das hier der hilfechannel für Linux?
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02:29<gunnargumpert>is SOMEBODY here?
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02:30<tash>gunnargumpert: is for debian only
02:30<gunnargumpert>thanks for information
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02:30<devil>no need to be sorry
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02:40<doubledutch>All of a sudden, xterm opened up with the results of the "top" command. I don't really even use xterm. I noticed that ippl is running and that tcpspy is running as user "nobody"... I am using Debian Squeeze, is this ops nml?
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02:42<doubledutch>...also, I never closed xterm, it closed by itself. I was running iceweasel, irssi and rtorrent via terminal.
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02:42<EmleyMoor>Nothing is runnung for "nobody" on mine
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02:43<EmleyMoor>ippl is not running for anyone either
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02:44<EmleyMoor>As for tcpspy I don't have that at all
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03:45<leikh>With Exim4, how do I force messages coming from to be delivered to
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05:02<MWP>Hi all
05:03<MWP>Im running squeeze which is fully updated/upgraded. shows its version, but i only have 3.5.9 installed. Why?
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05:07<MWP>Anyone awake?
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05:08<devil>408 inhabitants, all sleeping :)
05:09<dutchfish>MWP: not on my squeeze system
05:09<MWP>dutchfish: so what version is on yours?
05:09<dutchfish>MWP: 3.7.3-1
05:09<MWP>so wtf is going on with my system... ?
05:10<dutchfish>MWP: aptitude clean && aptitude update && aptitude show sqlite3
05:10<MWP>ok, doing... thanks
05:11<MWP>hrm, interesting... Unable to find an archive "stable" for the package "sqlite3", State: not installed
05:11<MWP>so where did the package ive got installed come from.
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05:11<dutchfish>MWP: what repo are you using?
05:12<dutchfish>MWP: what repo?
05:12<MWP>oh sorry...
05:12<dutchfish>MWP: cat /etc/debian.version ?
05:13<MWP>makes me wonder how many other packages might be out of date like this :(
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05:14<dutchfish>MWP: cat /etc/debian_version ?
05:14<MWP>as i said... 5.0.6
05:14<dutchfish>MWP: look at the _
05:15<MWP>oh. i have /etc/debian_version which is "5.0.6", i have no /etc/debian.version
05:16<dutchfish>MWP: is this an upgraded system from lenny?
05:16<MWP>erm..... honestly i cant remember :(
05:16<dpkg>moloco: VATTENE VIA!
05:16<dutchfish>MWP: it should report debian_version -> squeeze/sid
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05:17<dutchfish>MWP: looks to me that either dist-upgrade is not done or your /etc/apt/sources.list still point to stable or lenny
05:18<MWP>well dist-upgrade reports 0 to update, and sources.list is all set to squeeze
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05:18<dutchfish>MWP: to what version does aptitude show sqlite3 point?
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05:20<MWP>this is exactly what it says:
05:21<dutchfish>MWP: well, that looks right to me
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05:21<dutchfish>MWP: but i wonder why debian_version points to lenny
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05:22<dutchfish>MWP: could you paste /etc/apt/sources.list to pastebin?
05:23<MWP>will do
05:24<dutchfish>MWP: apart from de multimedia repo this is looking right
05:25<MWP>and apt/preferences:
05:25<dutchfish>MWP: you should try aptitude update && aptitude -s dist-upgrade (if this is not to much pastebin its output)
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05:25<MWP>ok, will do
05:25<MWP>thanks for the help btw
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05:26<dutchfish>MWP: stable has a higher prio in pinning then testing, this means that it cant find the squeeze packages, hence the error
05:27<MWP>aptitude update && aptitude -s dist-upgrade:
05:27<dutchfish>MWP: you should explicitely state the repo when installing packages
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05:27<MWP>ahh ok
05:27<MWP>since im going to full squeeze, i should just remove the stable pinning?
05:28<dutchfish>MWP: this setup will try to be as close to stable/lenny as posisble
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05:28<dutchfish>MWP: thats why i hate pinning so much
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05:28<MWP>so really all i should need to do is change the pin priority for testing to be higher than stable?
05:29<dutchfish>MWP: you better consider running non-mixed envirenment and switch to testing if it is not a production system and want the new packages
05:29<dutchfish>MWP: well if this was my system, i would revert to the normal non-mixed envirenment
05:30<MWP>yeah, that sounds good to me
05:30<dutchfish>MWP: either stable or testing
05:30<dutchfish>MWP: what i do is this
05:30<MWP>so how do i go about that... to testing?
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05:31<dutchfish>MWP: where is this pinning file located (its path)
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05:32<MWP>dutchfish: /etc/apt/preferences
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05:33<dutchfish>MWP: you could move it to your home dir and then dist-upgrade to tetsing ie aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade but before you do ask the bot about lenny->squeeze for the pita's you might encounter.
05:34<dutchfish>MWP: a backup is a good idee at this time ;)
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05:34<MWP>backup is already done :P
05:34<dutchfish>good boy
05:34<MWP>so removing the preferences file means apt will use the latest from any source?
05:35<dutchfish>MWP: you will dist-upgrade to the version where your source.list points too, yes
05:35<MWP>ok, sounds good to me
05:35<MWP>wish me luck :P
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05:36<dutchfish>you can do a dry run first ie aptitude -s dist-upgrade
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05:36<MWP>yeah, will do
05:36<dutchfish>and see what would be done
05:36<MWP>heh, lots
05:36<MWP>723 packages upgraded, 183 newly installed, 75 to remove and 0 not upgraded
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05:37<dutchfish>anser yes to all the q, you get a full report at the last
05:37<MWP>i can see ill be busy for a while fixing problems.
05:37<dutchfish>aptitude will handle most of them but as i said READ the lenny->squeeze faq
05:38<MWP>will do
05:38<dutchfish>good luck
05:38<MWP>thanks... hopefully i wont need it
05:38<MWP>thankyou very much for your help!
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05:38<MWP>muchly appreciated
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05:43*dutchfish just got irssi in grey shades working, better for the eyes
05:44<dutchfish>sorry for the xpost
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05:52<irocksu>i have a problem with updatedb
05:52<irocksu>i get an error that /etc/updatedb.conf is missing
05:52<irocksu>but i did not delete it
05:54<irocksu>i dist-upgraded my debian from 4.0 some months ago, but i am not sure if that is the problem
05:57<EmleyMoor>Iceweasel on my desktop machine fails to get one page of a particular credit card web site - but it works on the laptop - both on squeeze
05:58<EmleyMoor>(throws me out of site - "Please do not use refresh or back buttons.")
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05:58<EmleyMoor>How can I get that to stop happening?
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06:40<EmleyMoor>How do I adjust pulseaudio so that it outputs to my motherboard sound chip, not my USB one?
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06:42<EmleyMoor>pavu(lackof)control on that score - doesn't appear to let me change anything
06:42<tr|nn|>I have installed debian from a usb-stick (netinst) to two drives (fixed installed flash-dd as /boot) and usb-hdd as / --- now it boots from the flash-drive but I only get to the shell if the usb-stick I have installed debian from (or any other usb-drive) is present at boot-time and my external usb-hdd plugged in during the bootprocess (such that it will get /dev/sdb3). Seems mounting / is fixed on /dev/sdb3 -- how do I change that
06:42<tr|nn|>to a unique id?
06:42<EmleyMoor>cahoot: Lets me change the levels but not the defaults
06:43<tr|nn|>any help or appreciated
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06:44<EmleyMoor>padevchooser doesn't appear to do anything at all
06:46<cahoot>a clumsy way would be to make the onboard 'always default' by giving it index 0
06:47<EmleyMoor>cahoot: It *does* have index 0
06:47<cahoot>(unless it already is default in which case I don't understand why pa makes trouble
06:47<EmleyMoor>Will amarok work with something else?
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06:48<cahoot>do you have a specific reason to use PA in the first place?
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06:48<EmleyMoor>Will amarok work with something else?
06:48<EmleyMoor>(it is my reason)
06:49<cahoot>all 'modern' sound apps would be alsaware - personally I just use plain alsa
06:49<cahoot>alsa aware
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06:52*EmleyMoor is pulling as much of pulse as possibre
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06:54<EmleyMoor>amarok doesn't seem to have a way to go pure alsa
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06:59<EmleyMoor>In fact, it is insisting on pulse
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07:09<qwd>EmleyMoor: maybe you're not accepting cookies or you've set network.http.sendRefererHeader to 0 ?
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07:17<EmleyMoor>qwd: No and no.
07:18<tr|nn|>anyone can point me to a solution? Need to know how to change to my media's unique-id when mounting / during boot
07:18<tr|nn|> / is on an external usbhdd
07:18<vir_db>tr|nn|, maybe is an udev rule?
07:19<tr|nn|>how can I check that? Sorry, am not that experienced
07:19<tr|nn|>I have installed from a netinst on a usbstick
07:20<tr|nn|> /boot is on my internal flash
07:20<tr|nn|> / on an external usb
07:20<vir_db>tr|nn|, see in /etc/udev/rules.d/
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07:23<dutchfish>arent UUID not used by devmapper on lvm too and consider the grub stansas, grub2 does generate UUID for dev disks.
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07:24<tr|nn|>vir_db, do I get it right that I can match a plugged in device to a fixed /dev/sd* ?
07:24<tr|nn|>with help of udev?
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07:27*EmleyMoor has switched to exaile - not bad but not quite as good as amarok
07:28<vir_db>tr|nn|, in the udev rules maybe you can finde the UUID that you had to chande, but look at also the dutchfish hint about grub2
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07:29<luser>how do I find out what network driver modules my various eth interfaces are using?
07:29<tr|nn|>thanks vir_db and dutchfish
07:30<tr|nn|>will check both hints out
07:30<dutchfish>tr|nn|: one more thingy
07:30<elements1>luser: dmesg is a way I would try, although there may be an easier way.
07:30<elements1>dmesg|grep eth0, for example.
07:30<dutchfish>tr|nn|: if you consider a user to mount you maybe better of creating stansas with USER option in /etc/fstab and point to the right UUID
07:31<luser>elements1 - my dmesg is flooded with error messages, nothing from boot time
07:31<dutchfish>tr|nn|: also read about automount
07:32<elements1>I see.
07:32<elements1>luser: ethtool -i eth0
07:33<elements1>Assuming ethtool is installed.
07:33<luser>elements1: I could grab ethtool, but I'm currently looking inside /sys/class/net/eth* instead ,,,
07:34<elements1>luser: good call. /sys/class/net/eth0/uevent will have it. That var is PHYSDEVDRIVER
07:34<luser>elements1: yeah, there's a device/driver link too
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07:38<tr|nn|>dutchfish, yeah, thanks for the hints, will read through your suggestions!
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07:44<tr|nn|>found the uuid using df and ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid
07:45<weasel>didn't like vol_id or blkid for some reason?
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07:46<tr|nn|>weasel, no -- just had no clue how to find the uuid of my dev mounted to / -- was the first thing I hit on google
07:47<tr|nn|>queried "get uuid"
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07:56<tr|nn|>is there a way to assign a uuid to a swap partition?
07:56<tr|nn|>my swap is also on the external usb hdd
07:56<@Ganneff>mkswap it and it has one
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07:58<edl>I've mounted a new drive, thought i could copy some of my stuff to that drive so i could save me the hassle of burning it all to dvd's. though it seems i dont have permission to do that even if i do it as su. i must have done something worng with r-w permissions when i mounted it right ?
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08:00<luser>edl - if you're root then rwx permissions are ignored anyway
08:00<luser>unless you're using some security enhancements
08:00<edl>hmm, strange
08:01<tr|nn|>Ganneff, thanks -- had to swapoff my device first before mkswap -- now i have a uuid! :)
08:01<luser>edl - this "new drive", did you partition it yourself?
08:02<edl>luser, yes, i partitioned it myself, ext3. i got it mounted, only thing in it is a lost and found folder. but i cant coopy anything to that disk.
08:03<luser>edl - that indeed sounds odd
08:04<edl>Im not 100% confident how it works with mounted drives in linux and nix but when i mount something isnt that space just added to /, not as in windows when i got /c /e /f etc, doesnt that mean i cant copy anything to that disk ? i mean isnt that disk just added to total space ? :p
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08:05<luser>edl - all space is calculated per partition, there's no combining of the sizes
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08:06<edl>ah ok, must have missunderstood how it works in linux and nix then. still strange i cant copy anything to that disk :p
08:06<luser>what do 'mount' and 'df' say for the new partition?
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08:07<ompaul>edl: if you type mount if it says >> ro << about the partition you will never be able to write to it as that is read only.
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08:10<ompaul>edl: no just type mount on its own
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08:11<ompaul>edl: this is the use of the mount to report that which is mounted and not the use of it to mount a partition
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08:13<EmleyMoor>I can't get mysqld to start - how do I track down why?
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08:13<luser>edl: I wonder where the errors=remount-ro came from. unmount it, and mount it again with ``mount -t ext3 /dev/sdb1 /storage-disk''
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08:14<ompaul>edl: there were errors detected in the mount process so while it is marked rw it is currently ro you should umount that partition and then fsck -y that partition
08:15<ompaul>this is to fix those errors if possible
08:16<luser>there should be a dmesg log if the partition goes ro
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08:16<ompaul>EmleyMoor: what do you get when you try to do this /etc/init.d/mysqld start
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08:16<EmleyMoor>[A[A[AStarting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed!
08:17<ompaul>EmleyMoor: no additional information? (use if you have more than one line)
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08:17<EmleyMoor>No additional information
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08:18<variable_>is there some app like daemon for mounting iso cd/dvd in win?
08:18<edl>I unmounted /storage-disk then fsck -y /storage-disk and then mount -t /dev/sdb1 /storage-disk. still got the error message that i dont have the permission to move things into /storage-disk
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08:18<ompaul>EmleyMoor: ps auwx | grep mysql says anything interesting (again please use if you have more than one line)
08:19<EmleyMoor>ompaul: Nothing but the grep
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08:19<ompaul>edl: you fsck the device not the partition /dev/sdb1
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08:20<luser>edl: and you always fsck before mounting, not after
08:21<tr|nn|>I have changed partitions in /etc/fstab to their UUIDs, same for kernel line in grub menu.lst. Now booting I am running into problems with /scripts/local-premount and /scripts/init-bottom
08:21<tr|nn|>and end in initramfs
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08:23<EmleyMoor>Any more ideas, ompaul? (or anyone)
08:24<luser>tr|nn|: if you want to see what's going on in those scripts, just add ``set -x'' at the top of them
08:24<edl>umount /storage-disk -> fsck -y /dev/sdb1 -> mount -t ext3 /dev/sdb1 /storage-disk Still the same error message.
08:24<ompaul>EmleyMoor: the word failed - with no other clues is not very inspiring taking a call just a min
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08:25<ompaul>edl: why do you think the partition is ext3 if it is a storage disk? where did you get it from?
08:25<edl>i made it ext3 when i partitioned it
08:26<ompaul>EmleyMoor: dpkg -l mysql*
08:27<luser>edl: show us your shell session in pastebin, so we can see exactly what you typed and what the error messages were
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08:27<EmleyMoor>No packages found matching mysql.
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08:27<tr|nn|>luser, are these scripts located within initrd? where do i put ``set -x'' ?
08:27<EmleyMoor>But they are showing as installed in the package managers
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08:29<tr|nn|>when /scripts/local-premount is running during boot it is halting on "resume: Could not stat the resume device file /dev/sd**
08:29<ompaul>EmleyMoor: dpkg should show it if it is available ...
08:29<luser>tr|nn|: ah yes, sorry, I thought you were building your own initfs, they would be in the initrd.
08:30<EmleyMoor>That command gave only that message
08:30<ompaul>EmleyMoor: please paste your sources.list
08:30<tr|nn|>i am passing root=UUID=... in grub to kernel
08:30<tr|nn|>luser, maybe next time ;)
08:30<tr|nn|>this time i am just trying to get out of the hassle of not being able to get to a regular shell
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08:31<tr|nn|>luser, hm, is there a /etc/fstab in initrd?
08:31<tr|nn|>where i can also change /dev/* to UUID=
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08:32<tr|nn|>if so there might be no way around building my own initfs
08:32<EmleyMoor>Summary: mysql-server is definitely installed - but not starting
08:32<edl>luser, Sure, i dont know were i find my shell session tho. And when i copy tried to copy the folder to /storage-disk i didnt do it in terminal, i did it with the gui, but maybe the shell shows that anyway ?
08:33<tr|nn|>or at least tweak the initially used one
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08:34<tr|nn|>hi babilen
08:34<tr|nn|><- duy
08:35*babilen waves :-)
08:35<ompaul>EmleyMoor: that is what you should see
08:35<ompaul>EmleyMoor: (obviously less the line with me looking for it)
08:35<tr|nn|>in uk now?
08:36<EmleyMoor>What I should see to what? The ps? Well, I don't - only me looking for it
08:36<ompaul>EmleyMoor: as you said, so what I am wondering is which packages you actually installed
08:37<EmleyMoor>mysql-server which depends on everything needed to get mysql-server-5.1
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08:41<ompaul>EmleyMoor: 5.1.49-1 I have a bit more than that installed but then my needs are my own ... I'll paste for you waht I have installed you will see some additional packages I have installed: (and I'm on squeeze)
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08:42*EmleyMoor will check on those and return with a verdict a bit later
08:43<ompaul>EmleyMoor: you might consider a apt-get update and dist-upgrade before you start
08:44<EmleyMoor>ompaul: Not likely to make a difference but I will
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08:48<luser>has anyone used fail2ban? I tried it recently as I get 100000 attempted spams a day. It didn't block a single IP address, despite hundreds of failures
08:49<luser>edl: your "shell session" is you typing commands
08:49<ompaul>luser: the amount of attempts is not what counts it is the counting and I found it a pain ... bot nets are being clever splitting attacks over many ips
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08:50<edl>luser, ok, no need for that then since i used the gui trying to copy files to /storage-disk then ?
08:50<luser>ompaul: I got 500 back-to-back attempts from one IP address in about 5 seconds. fail2ban did nothing
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08:50<luser>I uninstalled it. I will write my own!
08:51<luser>edl: If you wish to protect yourself from unix by using a GUI, don't complain when the GUI stops you seeing what's going wrong.
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08:51<ompaul>luser: check the config I found it banning things -- what I did was disallow root to log on - this works for me
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08:52<edl>luser, havent complained... :)
08:52<ompaul>edl: we are :) seriously you can't debug the thing if you insist on using a gui that hides all error messages :)
08:52<luser>edl: incorrect, you've complained about not being able to write to the partition half a dozen times
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08:55<edl>Yes I've complained about not being able to write to that partition, but no i havent complained about shell not showing me the error messages since i used gui. ompaul make most sense :)
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08:57<ompaul>luser: which port were they trying?
08:57<luser>ompaul: standard SMTP, I use postfix
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08:58<ompaul>luser: that is disabled by default
08:58<luser>ompaul: yup, I worked out how to enable it. needed to change the logfile it looks at too.
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08:59<ompaul>luser: what was your max retry?
08:59<luser>I've dicked up my syslog settings unfortunately. But getting 100000 spams a day, each one causing about 1K of logs, I got a bit desperate
08:59<luser>ompaul: 6 I think
09:00<luser>I still get several megs of /var/log/mail.warn a day :-(
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09:01<ompaul>luser: in smtpd_recipient_restrictions reject_rbl_client is savage ... at least it tells the user - Your IP is blocked and I am not talking to you until you fix it.
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09:02<ompaul>luser: that put a big hole in our small organisations spam though put
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09:02<ompaul>luser: you may have to pay them at that level of though put
09:02<ompaul>s/put/but it would be much better than the alternative
09:03<luser>ompaul: I'll try that out. I can't say I feel comfortable configuring postfix though
09:03<ompaul>luser: just check the spamhaus site for information on what they do and for how many lookups etc
09:03<luser>If I turned off's MX record, that would kill 99% of the spam!
09:04<ompaul>luser: pm me I'll throw you a few lines I use
09:05<luser>ompaul: I'll stick 'reject_rbl_client' in postfix/, and see what happens
09:06<ompaul>luser: I have a heap of stuff I do you can check them out with a search engine and work out which ones you actually want
09:06<luser>ompaul: I'm also using postgrey - that cuts out 90% of the crap from actually reaching /var/spool/mail
09:06<luser>(more like 99%)
09:07<ompaul>however spamhaus stuff stops stuff from even gettting into the queue to get examined
09:08<luser>ompaul: yeah, I want to stop it ASAP, which is why iptables and fail2ban sounded like they'd be best
09:09<luser>ompaul: my current smtpd_recipient_restrictions is at
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09:11<luser>ompaul: looking at my logs, I'm not in an active attack currently, looks like only 5000/day
09:13<tazz_>ping MoDaX
09:13<ompaul>luser: not too bad but you can do more - I'll pm you a link to a pastebin if you want
09:14<luser>ompaul: please do
09:14<MoDaX>tazz_: .
09:15<tazz_>MoDaX, is amarok built with libgpod support ?
09:15<MoDaX>tazz_: yes, it is
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09:17<luser>ompaul: I don't think any rbl will do any good - it's the connections and the logs I want to get rid of, not the spam (only 10 messages get through a day, I can live with that)
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09:21<zophy>where does a usb device mount point show up ?
09:21<zophy>how do i set the permissions of a usb device ?
09:22<zophy>i need to run gphoto2 as root because the camera device is owned by root i presume
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09:24<tazz_>MoDaX, thanks :) i suspect a problem with libgpod itself since my ipod itself is not getting detected.
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09:25<cahoot>zophy: there should be an udev rule that sets correct perms
09:27<cahoot>zophy: most probably the relevant group is plugdev
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09:33<edl>\o/ worked without a prob when i copyed tru cli
09:34<edl>thx for helping me out. again :)
09:34<luser>ompaul: if you've got fail2ban experience, maybe I'll install that again
09:34<luser>edl: the command line is always preferable to the gui
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09:35<luser>edl: don't fear the cli - make it your friend
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09:44<cahoot>zophy: this might apply:
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09:46<ompaul>luser: I was only saying how I had to adjust it, didn't like it, disallowed root access
09:46<ompaul>luser: it is installed but it not a main line of defence
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09:47<babilen>edl: Hei -- made progress with smplayer?
09:47<luser>ompaul: how fluent are you with iptables - I'm seriously thinking of writing my own
09:47<ompaul>luser: I use them and alter them by hand, my requirements are not very heavy
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09:52<ompaul>luser: I rely on them to do work for me, my favoured way is to write an adapted rule from the group of saved rules, then iptables-restore -c -n iptables.saved (I think thats the command .. have to check)
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09:56<ompaul>luser: that was the correct command
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09:57<ompaul>luser: what kind of a network setup do you want to cover?
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09:59<OsirisX>Once upon a time - debian cron use to mail you a summary report each day
10:00<OsirisX>mine no longer seems to do that - any ideas on how to re-enable it?
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10:07<luser>ompaul: I have a simple NAT, the gateway machine is the mailserver (and other externally-facing services).
10:08<ompaul>luser: the packages that deal with fire walling should be useful to you - not used them myself, I have a fear of machine written rule bases for firewalls
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10:11<antonio>how can i check if the kernel is 64 bit or 32??
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10:14<ompaul>antonio: uname -a
10:15<antonio>i get i686
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10:15<antonio>if i want to install kernel 64 bit for my core 2 duo e8500, i need debian amd64??
10:15<OsirisX>antonio I was going to say try "more /boot/config-<kernel version> |grep CONFIG_64BIT" but ompaul's way should be easier
10:16<ompaul>antonio: correct
10:16<OsirisX>ompaul: does it matter that he has an intel and not an amd kernel?
10:16<OsirisX>(I have not entered the 64bit world yet myself)
10:17<babilen>!tell OsirisX about why amd64
10:17<edl>babilen, made progress with smplayer ? I dont even know what that is :)
10:17<babilen>antonio: You can install an amd64 kernel on i386
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10:17<antonio>I get #CONFIG 64BIT iss not set
10:17<OsirisX>thanks babilen
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10:18<OsirisX>antonio: then your current kernel is not 64bit
10:18<babilen>edl: Ah, I thought you were someone else then. Sorry :)
10:18<OsirisX>as you have already discovered
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10:18<IngDan>Hi guys
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10:18<alephnull>Is there a tool to read the changelog for a particular package ?
10:19<tr|nn|>is there a /etc/fstab in initrd such that i can edit it and fill in uuids instead of /dev/***?
10:19<IngDan>My lenny dist-upgrade failed and now many services don't start anymore.
10:19<babilen>antonio: Easiest way to achieve that is to install linux-image-2.6-amd64 -- Note that this will only give you a 64bit *kernel* but all *userspace* programs are still 32bit
10:20<luser>alephnull - 'zmore'. The changelogs are zipped in /usr/share/doc/[packagename]/
10:20<babilen>alephnull: "aptitude changelog PKG"
10:20<IngDan>Can anybody help me about mysql not starting anymore?
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10:21<babilen>IngDan: We would need more information (on the upgrade, errors from mysql, things you have done, …)
10:21<jhutchins_lt>tr|nn|: mysql usually posts an error to the syslog when it can't start.
10:22<jhutchins_lt>!tell tr|nn| about uuid
10:22<luser>IngDan: step through the init.d script manually, or use set -x, to isolate exactly which bit's failing
10:22<IngDan>Thanks Babilen. First of all the error: /var/log/mysql.log is empty
10:23<jhutchins_lt>tr|nn|: Sorry, it was IngDan who was having trouble with mysql.
10:23<tr|nn|>jhutchins_lt, unfortunately nothing new to point me to a solution of my problem :(
10:23<jhutchins_lt>IngDan: It logs to messages or syslog.
10:23<tr|nn|>yeah, np
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10:24<alephnull>Thanks luser, babilen
10:25<jhutchins_lt>tr|nn|: The initramfs uses the standard fstab, but needs to be updates if there are changes.
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10:25<tr|nn|>would a update-grub help?
10:26<IngDan>Here I have the syslog rows:
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10:26<jhutchins_lt>No, need to update initramfs... I though one of the factoids had the command but they've been messed with.
10:26<IngDan>mysqld_safe: Starting mysqld daemon with databases from /var/lib/mysql
10:26<IngDan>mysqld: 101030 16:25:03 [Note] Plugin 'FEDERATED' is disabled.
10:26<IngDan>mysqld: /usr/sbin/mysqld: Table 'mysql.plugin' doesn't exist
10:26<IngDan>mysqld: 101030 16:25:03 [ERROR] Can't open the mysql.plugin table. Please run mysql_upgrade to create it.
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10:27<IngDan>mysqld: 101030 16:25:03 InnoDB: Started; log sequence number 0 75345
10:27<IngDan>mysqld: 101030 16:25:03 [ERROR] /usr/sbin/mysqld: unknown option '--skip-bdb'
10:27<IngDan>mysqld: 101030 16:25:03 [ERROR] Aborting
10:27<jhutchins_lt>tr|nn|: sensibly enough the command is update-initramfs
10:27<jhutchins_lt>IngDan: Don't do that.
10:27<IngDan>Don't do what?
10:27<tr|nn|>jhutchins_lt, *g* -- will have a look at the manpage
10:28<jhutchins_lt>Don't post your logs here.
10:28<luser>IngDan - which of the google hits did you read (don't paste logs inline, use pastebin)
10:28<IngDan>Ah sorry
10:28<babilen>!tell IngDan -about paste
10:28<jhutchins_lt>IngDan: You can pastebin them, but what you need to do is read and follow the errors it reports.
10:28<jhutchins_lt>IngDan: Have you run mysql_upgrade as it says to?
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10:31<IngDan>Here I am
10:31<IngDan>My logs:
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10:34<IngDan>Actually I didn't try. I try now, hold on a moment
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10:36<IngDan>Upgrading fails:
10:37<IngDan>I can't start mysql daemon
10:37<tash>service mysql start ? :P
10:39<IngDan>What I was trying to say is that I can but it doesn't start: Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed!
10:39<tash>no logs?
10:39<IngDan>Not in mysql log file
10:39<tash>that failed doesn't seems to be helpful
10:40<IngDan>The unique log rows are here:
10:42<tash>am not a msql expert. so maybe am wrong, but it seems like some things get deprecated
10:44<IngDan>The problem arised after a dist-upgrade. The starting version was lenny
10:44<IngDan>I think Squeeze is not involved yet in updates
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10:47<babilen>IngDan: What did you upgrade to? (Lenny→Squeeze?)
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10:50<babilen>IngDan: It very much looks as if you have replaced MySQL 5.0 with 5.1 without changing your configuration files. Especially the "--skip-bdb" part suggests that. Are you sure that you have a 5.1 compatible my.cnf and that you are using the init script that came with 5.1? You might also want to ask in #mysql on in order to learn what other things you have to do when you upgrade to 5.1
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10:51<babilen>IngDan: IIRC you have to convert BDB tables to a different format, but check with the MySQL gurus first :)
10:52<IngDan>OK babilen I'll check immediately
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10:54<babilen>IngDan: Ask in particular about the "skip-bdb" in your my.cnf (might have been deprecated) -- You might also want to diff your configuration to the standard ones that come with the Debian 5.1 packages and check for differences and merge yours
10:55<babilen>IngDan: -- good luck (quote: "DB is unsupported in 5.1. If you have skip-bdb in your my.cnf, you will need to remove that, as well as any bdb-specific options.")
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10:56<babilen>IngDan: And I just hope that you did not upgrade a production system to testing :)
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10:56<IngDan>OK, so first I have to check if old databases are dbd or not
10:57<IngDan>Ehm I still don't understand why Mysql chanded that way
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10:57<babilen>IngDan: /
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10:59<babilen>IngDan: That is as much information as I can come up with at the moment. Looks as if removing "skip-bdb" from your my.cnf might do the trick. But *please* think about a sane upgrade path from 5.0 to 5.1 and discuss it in #mysql
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11:00<IngDan>I don't really need to upgrade to 5.1
11:00<IngDan>I would happy enough making it working again
11:01<jhutchins_lt>babilen: Yes, all that's required is to comment it out. bdb has been deprecated for a long, long time.
11:01<IngDan>So I'll try to comment it out
11:01<jhutchins_lt>babilen: The only way he'd have bdb is if he either had a very legacy database from somewhere or if he installed something obscure that used it.
11:03<babilen>jhutchins_lt: Well, i always preferred PostgreSQL to MySQL and know about ISAM and InnoDB but not about BDB (is that berkeley db?)
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11:05<IngDan>OK guys, commenting out that row in my.cnf did the job
11:07<IngDan>Now it's the dovecot turn :-(
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11:08<babilen>IngDan: Just to clarify: What kind of machine are we talking about here? Are there any time/availability constrains that we should be aware of?
11:08<IngDan>It's my production server
11:09<IngDan>Mysql was the most importart thing
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11:09<auobmousa>hi all
11:09<babilen>IngDan: But the downtime is no issue right now?
11:09<babilen>auobmousa: welcome
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11:09<IngDan>thanks to you you and jhutchins_lt
11:10<IngDan>now I only have the email services down
11:10<IngDan>less critical than sites
11:10<auobmousa>thanx babilan
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11:10<auobmousa>can i use xchat to another server like yahoo ?
11:11<IngDan>I wonder why every time I update the server it blows up
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11:13<babilen>auobmousa: What do you mean? Are you looking for a way to access your Instant Messenger accounts from within XChat? (e.g. bitlbee allows that)
11:13<auobmousa>yas ixactly
11:13<babilen>IngDan: It might have something to do with the fact that you don't wait for a stable release and that you therefore don't have the option to follow the release notes
11:14<auobmousa>i ned to use xchat to open my yahoo acount
11:14<auobmousa>there is any way to do that
11:14<babilen>auobmousa: yes, bitlbee
11:14<babilen>,info bitlbee
11:14<judd>Package bitlbee (net, optional) in lenny/i386: An IRC to other chat networks gateway. Version: 1.2.3-1; Size: 318.2k; Installed: 724k; Homepage:; Screenshot:
11:14<IngDan>I'm not aware using unstable releases
11:14<tash>bitlbee rulz
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11:16<IngDan>Here my sources.list:
11:16<babilen>auobmousa: Install bitlbee and follow
11:16<auobmousa>ok thanx
11:18<babilen>IngDan: Hmm, which version of "mysql-server" do you have installed? I was under the impression (although you never answered that question) that you did upgrade Lenny→Squeeze
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11:20<tash>it seems like he didn't upgrade at all
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11:22<IngDan>I have your impression too, let me check because I don't know. Just a moment...
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11:22<IngDan>Have you seen my sources.list?
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11:25<IngDan>mysql Ver 14.14 Distrib 5.1.49, for debian-linux-gnu (i486) using readline 6.1
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11:28<Xeross>Is there any up-to-date nginx package for debian, I've found an ubuntu PPA repository but it only has packages for lucid and maverick
11:29<Xeross>Guess I could build from the sources
11:30<IngDan>mysqladmin Ver 8.42 Distrib 5.1.49, for debian-linux-gnu on i486
11:30<tash>debian is not mean to be updated. is mean to be stable. do you really need to update it?
11:31<tash>,versions nginx
11:31<judd>Package nginx on i386 -- etch: 0.4.13-2+etch3; etch-security: 0.4.13-2+etch3; etch-backports: 0.5.35-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 0.6.32-3+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.6.32-3+lenny3; lenny-backports: 0.7.67-3~bpo50+1; sid: 0.7.67-3; squeeze: 0.7.67-3
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11:39<babilen>IngDan: Could you paste the output of "apt-cache policy mysql-server" please?
11:41<babilen>IngDan: Hmm, that is the squeeze package. Could you also paste "apt-cache policy"?
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11:43<babilen>!what version
11:43<dpkg>Kernel: uname -r, or cat /proc/version. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc) and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command; check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions.
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11:43<babilen>IngDan: Please also include ^^^^
11:43<IngDan>2nd paste is arriving
11:43<babilen>IngDan: (uname -r, cat /etc/debian_version, dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1)
11:44<babilen>IngDan: Well, you have Squeeze (testing) in your sources -- squeeze
11:44<IngDan>I didn't know
11:45<babilen>IngDan: So you are most likely in the middle of a leny->squeeze upgrade right now
11:45<Lantizia>Does /proc/cpuinfo tell you the real CPU speed or the speed the bios currently has it set to?
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11:46<IngDan>My sources.list seem clean
11:46<IngDan>My sources.list seems clean
11:46<IngDan>(uname -r, cat /etc/debian_version, dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1) doesn't work
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11:47<babilen>IngDan: Try to run each command on its own ;)
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11:48<babilen>You must had squeeze before and ran "aptitude update" afterwards -- You are still using it (although your sources.list might no longer contain that repository)
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11:49<IngDan>I forced the kernel update yesterday
11:49<IngDan>I forced the kernel update this morning
11:49<babilen>IngDan: Yes, you have Squeeze installed now. Make sure to adapt your sources.list accordingly and finish the upgrade
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11:50<IngDan>Is it stable?
11:50<babilen>Not yet
11:50<babilen>It is in deep freeze right now and still being worked on.
11:50<IngDan>How can I rollback?
11:51<IngDan>Worth it the pane I rollback?
11:51<babilen>IngDan: I would stay with it and make sure that you complete the upgrade.
11:51<babilen>dpkg: lenny->squeeze
11:51<dpkg>In /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines volatile, backports, then change lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,` && apt-get dist-upgrade". Make sure you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed prior to rebooting check: aptitude versions '~nlinux-image~i'. See also <testing> <testing security> <squeeze release notes>.
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11:52<babilen>IngDan: Also ask dpkg about the other factoids
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11:53<babilen>IngDan: Seems like you did not choose the best way to upgrade your kernel (would have been backports)
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11:54<IngDan>I updated because I thought it was necessary. Anyway now I have to complete the update
11:54<IngDan>Is sources.list is OK why apt-cache policy doesn't reflect the configuration?
11:55<jhutchins_lt>IngDan: Just hope there are no fatal bugs or security flaws.
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11:55<babilen>IngDan: You have to change your sources.list and run "aptitude update"/"apt-get update" afterwards as detailed in the factoid ^^^
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11:56<babilen>IngDan: And you can skip the kernel related steps (bviously)
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11:58<IngDan>No way
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11:59<IngDan>sources.list is minimal but many other server are fetched by apt-get update
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12:00<babilen>IngDan: Paste your sources.list and the output of apt-get update
12:00<jhutchins_lt>IngDan: Look at the output more carefully.
12:00<babilen>ah, and "apt-cache policy" after the update (in a single pastebin)
12:01<jhutchins_lt>IngDan: Only the servers in your sources list are contacted, but multiple files are checked.
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12:01<babilen>IngDan: And yes, most likely this^^^^
12:01<jhutchins_lt>babilen: Didn't he already do that?
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12:01<babilen>jhutchins_lt: Not after the change to squeeze sources (though it can't hurt to look)
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12:07<yo44icodename>hello sombody know a way to send sms free from pc to mobile, i m from italy ...=?
12:08<mAniAk->google free sms
12:09<IngDan>If yoy have TIM you can send 60 sms/week for 2 Euros/week
12:09<IngDan>Vodafone have INFINITY that is even better.
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12:11*babilen is going home -- cya later
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12:12<IngDan>THansk babilen
12:12<IngDan>See ya
12:13<EmleyMoor>I am still unable to start mysql - I have all the needed packages
12:13<yo44icodename>y want to send from computer to phone ingdan
12:14<yo44icodename>but someting free
12:14<IngDan>Sorry, I only know low cost solutions, not absolutely free
12:15<IngDan>Do you have to send many SMS?
12:15<yo44icodename>low cost i have find but i wan t free ...:D :)
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12:15<EmleyMoor>yo44icodename: Well, I don't think it's in Debian
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12:15<wasf>hey howdy.
12:15<IngDan>Actually you're right
12:16<mAniAk->howdy redneck
12:16<wasf>can anyone tell me what the crc_ccitt module is, or where i can find out more about it? the lxr cache on au doesn't have the src :-(
12:17<cthuluh>$ modinfo crc_ccitt -> CRC-CCITT calculations...
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12:19<wasf>is it just for calculating crc-16 checks? (no network drivers?)
12:19<jhutchins_lt>EmleyMoor: Please take a look at /var/log/messages and see if it has posted errors there. Also please share any messages from the console when you try to start it.
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12:19<wamty>dependencey prob on my phone
12:19<cthuluh>wasf: wikipedia it
12:20<wasf>yah i did that, it redirects to crc checks
12:20<wamty>"depends: python-2.5-qt4-core but is not going to be installed"
12:20<EmleyMoor>jhutchins_lt: I shared the one and only useless message when I try to start it earlier - will check /var/log/messages though
12:20<wasf>doesn't say whas thot the linux kernel module crc_ccitt actually doe
12:20<wasf>s/thot// s/doe/does/
12:20<jhutchins_lt>EmleyMoor: I wasn't paying attention earlier. I'm mostly doing other things.
12:20<cthuluh>wp says: CRC-16-CCITT x16 + x12 + x5 + 1 (X.25, HDLC, XMODEM, Bluetooth, SD, many others; known as CRC-CCITT)
12:21<jhutchins_lt>wamty: Check the aptitude manpage for the "why" function.
12:21<EmleyMoor>jhutchins_lt: Nothing in /var/log/messages...
12:21<EmleyMoor>Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed!
12:21<wasf>right - does that mean all crc-ccitt kernel module does is just calculate crc checks?
12:21<jhutchins_lt>EmleyMoor: try /var/log/syslog
12:22<wasf>(and nothing else)?
12:22<wasf>basically i'm just trying to see if it's safe to turn off completely, i'm trying to build a very very small system
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12:24<cthuluh>wasf: the method I use to achieve this is to start with a rather bloated kernel, boot it in "normal use situation", see which modules are needed, make them builtin then delete the others
12:24<jhutchins_lt>EmleyMoor: what command did you use?
12:24<cthuluh>wasf: if you see crc-ccitt loaded as a module, then you need it and it's a bad idea not to build it. period.
12:25<EmleyMoor>invoke-rc.d mysql start
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12:29<EmleyMoor>jhutchins_lt: Any further suggestions?
12:29<jhutchins_lt>EmleyMoor: Have you done something that would change the password?
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12:30<EmleyMoor>jhutchins_lt: Not knowingly...
12:31<jhutchins_lt>What did you do before it failed to start? Upgrade or anything?
12:32<EmleyMoor>Only thing that might have triggered it was removing old configs
12:32<EmleyMoor>(and they were all that was left of the package)
12:32<wamty>jhutchins, its on maemo
12:32<wamty>aptitude is not ported
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12:33<jhutchins_lt>EmleyMoor: Well, an obvious step is to restore them and see if it changes anything.
12:33<EmleyMoor>I can't restore them unless I can find out what the files were called
12:34<jhutchins_lt>EmleyMoor: I believe you can start /usr/sbin/mysqld directly - the init script is rather complex.
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12:34<EmleyMoor>jhutchins_lt: OK - what exactly should I type?
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12:35<EmleyMoor>101030 17:35:09 [ERROR] /usr/sbin/mysqld: unknown option '--skip-bdb' - I think that could be significant
12:35<jhutchins_lt>EmleyMoor: /usr/sbin/mysqld --verbose --help would be a start, or just the program. It probably wants you to point it to a config file.
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12:36<jhutchins_lt>EmleyMoor: It is annoyingly difficult to get at these problems when it defaults to so little logging.
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12:36<jhutchins_lt>EmleyMoor: You can also enable general logging in the config file - look for the stanza where it talks about it being a performance hit.
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12:37<EmleyMoor>Where would it get the "--skip-bdb" option from?
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12:38<jhutchins_lt>EmleyMoor: AhHA! Where did you see that? That would be from an old config file on an upgraded server.
12:38<wasf>say debian's default stable kernel is still 2.6.26 right? (the first one from the 5.0.5 installer)?
12:38<jhutchins_lt>wasf: Yes.
12:38<EmleyMoor>jhutchins_lt: Ah, found it
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12:41<EmleyMoor>And, thanks to something needing gamin, another horde problem is fixed.
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12:42<zeus_>Hi, i'm trying to portforward a host from my lan to internet using iptables. I've added a PREROUTING and a FORWARD rule but w/o luck. May any one help please ?
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12:43<zeus_>it seems netfilter mark coming in packets as invalid and then it drops them !
12:43<valdyn>zeus_: where are you testing it from?
12:43<zeus_>WAN !
12:44<kumar>hello, i am trying to install nctuns on ubuntu it is giving error zlibs.h not found, which package should i install
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12:45<zeus_>valdyn: do i have to disable rp_filer ?
12:46<wasf>kumar: you probably want zlib-dev to get the header files.
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12:47<wasf>libghc6-zlib-dev - Compression and decompression in the gzip and zlib formats // hrm wasn't expecting the ghc part...
12:47<jhutchins_lt>kumar: Please ask in #ubuntu, this is debian support.
12:48<jhutchins_lt>wasf: Grouping of libs, dev files, and package names are some of the ways ubuntu is different from debian.
12:48<wasf>nod, yeah i just keep thinking "haskell compiler" whenever i see ghc
12:49<wasf>given a kernel module, is there an easy way to find out all source files that compile to that module?
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12:50<valdyn>zeus_: is ip forwarding enabled? why dont you show us the whole list of commands?
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12:55<Ornedan>It seems the default audio system has been switched to be pulseaudio. Why? It's going back a decade in audio functionality - multiple programs playing sound has once again ceased to work.
12:55<zeus_>valdyn: yes ip_forward is set to 1 ...
12:55<valdyn>Ornedan: why would that not work?
12:55<Ornedan>valdyn: Because pulseaudio is shit?
12:56<Ornedan>With good marketing
12:56<valdyn>Ornedan: if you dont have technical points to make, then dont say a thing
12:56*wasf misses the days of non mixed sound :-(
12:56<EmleyMoor>I had to ditch a much-loved app earlier because it seemed to insist on pulseaudio
12:57<wasf>there should be a way to fool it, no?
12:57<EmleyMoor>... and that was defaulting to the wrong sound card with no obvious way to fix)
12:57<wasf>make some fake libpulseaudio, fill the export table with no_op functions...
12:57<valdyn>EmleyMoor: the fix is to select the right card in the GUI
12:57<valdyn>EmleyMoor: cant get any more obvious
12:58<valdyn>EmleyMoor: ...unless you insist in not using a GUI
12:58<EmleyMoor>valdyn: There was nothing in which I could select anything
12:58<valdyn>EmleyMoor: so you are not using the GUI at all?
12:58<EmleyMoor>I am using the GUI
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12:58<valdyn>EmleyMoor: its pavucontrol. You can change output device live and it should remember
12:58<EmleyMoor>... however, there was no way to do anything but use the default sound sync
12:59<EmleyMoor>pavucontrol did not appear to be of any use
12:59<valdyn>EmleyMoor: im not sure if you need a walkthru through that GUI
12:59<valdyn>EmleyMoor: just try.. maybe you oversaw the obvious
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13:00<EmleyMoor>I saw everything. No "make this card default" or anything
13:00<valdyn>EmleyMoor: you dont make a card default
13:01<valdyn>EmleyMoor: you select the output device button for your app and redirect that app
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13:01<valdyn>EmleyMoor: Ive never tried to make one card default, I guess
13:02<valdyn>EmleyMoor: i start may app, let it play, pick the right device and it will remember
13:02*EmleyMoor will reinstall but will be surprised if he is proved wrong
13:03<valdyn>EmleyMoor: now, this is indeed broken for apps that only connect to pa for split seconds
13:03<wasf>weird, what installs pulse audio?
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13:03<valdyn>EmleyMoor: but not for apps that play continous audio
13:03<wasf>i don't have it but i idon't run anything fancier than windowmaker
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13:04<valdyn>wasf: probably gnome
13:04<EmleyMoor>valdyn: I will get to the point I am stuck and then you might be able to unstick me
13:04<valdyn>EmleyMoor: yea, ill reply later if im gone
13:05<Ornedan>Ok. So technical question: How do I switch back to ALSA?
13:05<valdyn>Ornedan: how do you switch *what* back to alsa?
13:06<Ornedan>My sound system
13:06<valdyn>Ornedan: that does not exist in linux
13:06<valdyn>Ornedan: tell us the app
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13:06<valdyn>Ornedan: theres a couple major "sound systems" and apps that manage independently, I cannot guess that
13:07<wasf> ?
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13:07<valdyn>wasf: he wants to switch *to* alsa
13:07<valdyn>wasf: i just asked *what* he needs to switch to alsa
13:08<valdyn>Ornedan: im sorry, but im to lazy to give you docs for all of them
13:08<EmleyMoor>valdyn: Hmmm... it won't actually play over the card I selected...
13:08<valdyn>Ornedan: try google, or help me help you
13:08<valdyn>EmleyMoor: so its not using pa
13:08<EmleyMoor>valdyn: It is!
13:09<Ornedan>Some upgrade switched me to pulseaudio. I want that shit gone and replaced with something that works. Something that works was ALSA, which I was using previously
13:09<valdyn>EmleyMoor: its muting when you switch?
13:09<valdyn>Ornedan: we know
13:09<EmleyMoor>It's freezing when I switch
13:09<valdyn>EmleyMoor: what is? pavumeter?
13:09<EmleyMoor>(and staying frozen until I switch back)
13:09<wasf>what's your soundcard Ornedan
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13:10<valdyn>EmleyMoor: something blocking the other sound card
13:10<valdyn>EmleyMoor: "in use" or somesuch
13:10<wasf>would dmesg say "blocked irq..." somesuch?
13:10<EmleyMoor>OK - how do I free it up?
13:10<valdyn>EmleyMoor: i cannot tell whats using the other sound card
13:10<Ornedan>wasf: lspci says "00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)". It's T61 laptop
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13:11<valdyn>Ornedan: i need to know which application is not using alsa but pulseaudio
13:11<valdyn>Ornedan: i dont care about your hardware
13:11<zeus_>valdyn: may you help me with netfilter ?
13:11<valdyn>zeus_: if you gave the whole list of commands then I could look at it
13:11<EmleyMoor>valdyn: I can't either
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13:12<zeus_>valdyn: yes,
13:12<valdyn>EmleyMoor: man fuser, man lsof. devices could be /dev/dsp* and /dev/snd/*
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13:12<zeus_>valdyn: if you prefer iptables output style :
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13:13<valdyn>zeus_: no, Im not going to debug that, to much
13:14<wasf>does debian have it's kernel source for the stable kernel anywhere online? trying to team debug something; if they have it online it's easier than pastebin :-P
13:14<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... seems to be iceweasel
13:14<valdyn>zeus_: im not paid to read thru your 100 lines iptables script
13:14<valdyn>EmleyMoor: flash
13:15<EmleyMoor>Got there - but is there any way to avoid/resolve that clash?
13:15<valdyn>EmleyMoor: flash uses alsa, which can be routed to pa via ~/.asoundrc
13:15<jordanm>wasf: apt-get source linux-image-2.6-686
13:15<valdyn>EmleyMoor: thats what i do
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13:15<zeus_>valdyn: sorry. intresting lines are 117/118 i've posted the whole script just in case.
13:15<EmleyMoor>valdyn: Would appreciate guidance on that
13:16<valdyn>EmleyMoor: ( could be shorter, but this works )
13:16<zeus_>valdyn: i' know you 're not paid to support me and i really appreciate your help !
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13:18<wamty>How do I get VIM to softwrap at 80 characters when I'm editing an rst document?
13:19<jordanm>wamty: #vim on
13:19<Ornedan>valdyn: Everything. Except possibly flash, which I noticed the mutex problem with
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13:19<valdyn>zeus_: put -I instead of -A and try again
13:20<Ornedan>Flash seems to access /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p
13:20<valdyn>zeus_: that could fix it already without me looking into it deeply
13:21<valdyn>Ornedan: flash uses alsa, no matter what. If you alsa is not rerouted to pulseaudio, then it will be at alsa
13:21<valdyn>Ornedan: that device belongs to alsa
13:21<Ornedan>Ok. So the problem is a retarded PA installer script that doesn't set up rerouting properly
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13:21<Ornedan>How do I do it manually?
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13:22<valdyn>Ornedan: thats my .asoundrc:
13:22<zeus_>valdyn: let's see ...
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13:22<valdyn>zeus_: in both lines, btw
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13:22<zeus_>valdyn: it's the same ... do not work !
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13:24<EmleyMoor>valdyn: This remembers how it was set last for each app/stream, yes?
13:24<valdyn>zeus_: are you sure you are not testing this from the firewall itself?
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13:24<valdyn>EmleyMoor: yea, usually
13:25<valdyn>EmleyMoor: i sometimes saw fuckups on upgrades
13:25<zeus_>valdyn: i'm at home and the firewall is at office :-)
13:25<valdyn>EmleyMoor: or *some* event, no idea, didnt bother me much as I only regularily use few audio apps
13:25<EmleyMoor>Mixed game sounds and Max Boyce I've managed to get now (!)
13:26<valdyn>EmleyMoor: shouldnt bother you to *maybe* have to fix an app there once a month or less ( but maybe they are good with this now, who knows )
13:26<wasf>does anyone else get a positive match when they go lsmod | grep -i crc_ccitt
13:26<EmleyMoor>Of course, if I want sound from one thing only I can point the others elsewhere
13:26<valdyn>zeus_: ok
13:26<amphi>wasf: nope, nor modprobe -l
13:27<wasf>yeah damn see
13:27<wasf>why am i the only person on the planet who the debian installer wants to install this module for
13:27<jml>Hi, I want to add file integrity checking to my backupping scheme of ~250Gb data (pics, films, music), currently simply grsync the folder to an external drive. I'm considering tripwire but I'm not sure if the following would work out: adding the config files to the backupped folder so that I'll mirror them as well, then I can check the copied data any time I want; I'm not sure if tripwire would let me work in userspace without complaining. Can anyone confirm this
13:27<jml> would work?
13:27<EmleyMoor>valdyn: That .asoundrc thing - does that deal with all alsa apps I run?
13:27<zeus_>valdyn: here is the kernel message: kernel: [25930.860020] INPUT_INVALID-DROP:IN=eth1 OUT= MAC=00:00:00:00:1c:0d:00:24:01:13:d4:8b:08:00 SRC=94.166.yyy.yyy DST=151.62.xx.xx LEN=48 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=44 ID=4918 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=49472 DPT=80 WINDOW=65535 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0
13:28<valdyn>EmleyMoor: yes
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13:29<mase>zeus: tried restart ipmasq?
13:29<zeus_>valdyn: netfilter marks the packet as invalid so it's dropped and do not arrive to the forward rule. i think
13:29<valdyn>mase: doesnt matter with -I now
13:30<mase>valdyn oh, cool
13:30<zeus_>mase: how do i restart it ? do you mean flushing firewall rules ?
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13:30<valdyn>mase: since the rule is inserted at the top and only first one is used
13:30<valdyn>mase: rather: first match is used
13:31<wasf>hrm ok revised question, does anyone have a modem on their machine and have a positive hit on lsmod | grep -i ccitt
13:31<wasf>(like say a laptop w/ onboard modem)
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13:34<valdyn>zeus_: the 2nd rule should be wrong: -d instead of -s
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13:35<valdyn>zeus_: as destination, not source of that packet is
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13:36<valdyn>zeus_: i cant verify the ips and the eth1 obviously, everything else is good
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13:38<zeus_>valdyn: eth1 is for wan, eth0 is for lan (
13:38<valdyn>EmleyMoor: all alsa apps that do not specify their output device explicitely. ( by default they should just use !default, which is redirected in that asoundrc )
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13:39<zeus_>valdyn: do you mean "iptables -I FORWARD -d -p tcp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT" ?
13:39<valdyn>zeus_: yes
13:39<dodddummy>i'm trying to mount a floppy with the mount command. i can access it with mtools but figure i should also be able to mount it with mount. mount /media/floppy0 results in the floppy light flashing for about 3 secounds but it doesn't look like it gets mounted.
13:39<zeus_>valdyn: marked as invalid again !
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13:40<mase>dodddummy stupid question but is a disk inserted?
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13:40<dodddummy>yeah. otherwise i couldn't access it with mtools :)
13:40<valdyn>zeus_: still -I set I hope
13:41<mase>dodddummy so what does mount tell?
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13:42<dodddummy>mount: you didn't specify a filesystem type for /dev/fd0 I will try type vfat /dev/fd0 on /media/floppy0 type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
13:42<zeus_>valdyn: excuse me. on /var/log/messages i got "kernel: [26714.815100] INPUT_INVALID-DROP:IN=eth1 OUT= MAC=00:00:00:00:1c:0d:00:24:01:13:d4:8b:08:00 SRC=94.166.yy.yy DST=151.62.XX.xx LEN=48 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=44 ID=19550 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=49486 DPT=80 WINDOW=65535 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0"
13:43<mase>dodddummy did you try to use mount with manual parameters in order not to use /etc/fstab?
13:43<valdyn>zeus_: yea, i see, but i dont yet get it
13:43<mase>dodddummy like "mount /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0"
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13:43<zeus_>valdyn: this mean that the packet stops at line 61 of
13:43<valdyn>zeus_: so you didnt set -I
13:43<dodddummy>mase yes
13:44<valdyn>zeus_: or not at both lines?
13:44<mase>dodddummy "mount /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0 -t vfat"
13:44<amphi>dodddummy: FWIW, pmount is useful for removable devices
13:44<valdyn>zeus_: no other line should be able to affect this if we use -I and its the topmost rule
13:45<dodddummy>amphi pmount is installed and all other removable devices mount fine
13:45<valdyn>zeus_: uh, INPUT, not im still confused
13:45<valdyn>zeus_: *now*
13:46<dodddummy>mase tried all of that
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13:49<dodddummy>mase, this might be my problem: In fact mount works properly as long as udisks-daemon is not running and vice versa:
13:49<zeus_>valdyn: forward rules seems ok to me !
13:49<valdyn>zeus_: yea, rules are ok now
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13:49<valdyn>zeus_: I dont know why the INPUT rule is used though
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13:51<dodddummy>mase this worked: udisks-daemon --mount /dev/fd0
13:52<dodddummy>mase i figured i try to mount using it before trying to stop it.
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13:55<valdyn>zeus_: wrong IP specified? this packet should never even be hitting the input chain
13:55<valdyn>zeus_: or wrong interface
13:55<valdyn>zeus_: ,
13:55<valdyn>zeus_: and im out of time.
13:56<zeus_>valdyn: thank you a _million_ for your help !!!!
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14:21<sefo40>hi. Anyone can help em to install debian on a netbook EYO? Please?
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14:26<mase>sefo40 what cpu does it has?
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14:26<sefo40>IT'S arm structure
14:27<sefo40>it's processor is ARM-VM8505
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14:28<mase>sefo40 whats your state about installing debian?
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14:28<sefo40>I've it installed on my desktop
14:29<mase>sefo40 and on the eyo?
14:29<sefo40>indeed, I with trouble trying to do the boot by usb flash
14:29<sefo40>i've donne a bootlabe usb, but I can't do the netbook start by the usb
14:30<mase>sefo40 but youre using the arm images, right?
14:31<mase>sefo40 not the x86 stuff
14:31<sefo40>Yes I'm using the arm image
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14:32<mase>sefo40 i never had an arm computer, but im quite interested in having one... so whats the netbook telling you by trying to boot the images?
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14:33<sefo40>I just can't do it. I can access the bios (or something like that) to change the boot to the usb device
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14:34<sefo40>I'm not able to access the bios
14:35<mase>? you are able or youre not?
14:35<sefo40>I'm not able
14:35<sefo40>I think it doesn't has a bios
14:36<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... now I'm using pulseaudio, I can't use ekiga very effectively... I can't have the sound events through one sound card and the calls through another
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14:36<EmleyMoor>Any way I can get round thatL
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14:38<mase>sefo40 did you have a look at the eyo manual about how to boot from usb? even some old x86 computers wont let you boot from usb dvd drive for example
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14:39<mase>sefo40 what are you using again? simple usb-stick?
14:42<sefo40>I've read the manual again, there is nothing there.
14:43<EmleyMoor>sefo40: The BIOS settings often allow it - but have the device plugged in first
14:43<sefo40>I'm using an usb-stick with a bootable version of debian for arm
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14:46*EmleyMoor has never handled arm
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14:51<mase>sefo40 in the case there is no way to get into the bios (like an smartphone) you might need to disamble the internal flash drive :( ; are there any introductions about how to reinstall windows CE?
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14:51<EmleyMoor>Alternatively, does anyone know a softphone that works well with pulseaudio?
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14:53<mase>EmleyMoor hmm, not familiar with softphones, but you know there is alsa plugin for pulseaudio (letting any alsa-usable application use pulseaudio)?
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14:54<EmleyMoor>mase: But when you want two devices in the same program it's not possible, it seems
14:56<mase>EmleyMoor i never used ekiga... can it use two different devices (alsa) anyway?
14:57<EmleyMoor>mase: Yes... one for events (ringing etc.), other for calls
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14:58<mase>EmleyMoor but does not support pulseaudio that way?
14:58<EmleyMoor>No, it appears not to - or maybe it requires configuration beyond my ken
15:00<mase>EmleyMoor you can set the asound.conf so you have two alsa cards redirected to using pulseaudios cards
15:01<EmleyMoor>I "can" - if I can work out how!
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15:02<EmleyMoor>As I said, it's beyond my ken
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15:03<mase>EmleyMoor should be quite easy. I cant help you since i just use one card. just google a bit about the "pulseaudio alsa plugin"
15:03<mase>EmleyMoor sorry, that was a stupid answer of mine...
15:03<EmleyMoor>I have multiple cards, but no multiplicity at present in feeding into pulseaudio
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15:09<mase>sefo40 are you still there? is there a way to connect the netbook to a regular desktop that lets 'it' behave like an usb stick? (like some smartphones)
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15:28*EmleyMoor will do without making use of pulseaudio for now - but hopes he can find a satisfactory resolution before too long
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15:36<EmleyMoor>Failing pulseaudio, how can I get amarok to play?
15:37<jml>hi again, perhaps someone knows of a channel that would be more suitable for my question about file integrity assessement software (tripware or anything that works on debian)?
15:37<devil>EmleyMoor: all i need from pulseaudio is:
15:37<devil>ii libpulse-mainloop-glib0 0.9.21-3 PulseAudio client libraries (glib support)
15:37<devil>ii libpulse0 0.9.21-3 PulseAudio client libraries
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15:37<devil>these get installed with kde 4.x
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15:38<devil>this is from sid, you might see other versions
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15:38<amphi>EmleyMoor: amarok won't use plain unadorned alsa?
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15:38<EmleyMoor>devil: I cannot get acceptable ekiga with pulseaudio (two different output devices)
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15:39<EmleyMoor>amphi: It ought to, but no sign of it in my setup
15:39<devil>EmleyMoor: i thought we are talking of amarok
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15:39<amphi>EmleyMoor: I've never used amarok, but it seems odd
15:39<EmleyMoor>We are talking of a clash between the two
15:39<jhutchins_lt>EmleyMoor: Why do you need pulse audio?
15:39<devil>EmleyMoor: i am not in favour of pulseaudio, just that kde installs the above 2
15:39<EmleyMoor>jhutchins_lt: Because of amarok
15:39<devil>EmleyMoor: nah, amarok does fine with alsa
15:40<devil>ever did
15:40<EmleyMoor>If I could get that to use plain unvarnished alsa I would
15:40<valdyn>EmleyMoor: amarok works with the arts system
15:40<valdyn>EmleyMoor: which can be set to about any sound system
15:40<EmleyMoor>Why is pulseaudio my only choice in it then?
15:40<devil>valdyn: arts is alive?
15:40<valdyn>devil: i think were talking kde 3.5?
15:40<EmleyMoor>amarok 2.3?
15:40<devil>EmleyMoor: any amarok
15:40<valdyn>EmleyMoor: or phonon in kde 4+
15:41<alekfir>i have a problem with card sound (probook 4515s), it didn't works !
15:41<devil>EmleyMoor: what kde version are you on?
15:41<EmleyMoor>devil: I know it *should*, but ALSA is not offered as an option
15:41<EmleyMoor>devil: Not really using kde
15:41<devil>EmleyMoor: purge all pulseaudio. alsa will take over
15:42<amphi>alekfir: what sound card is it?
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15:42<valdyn>EmleyMoor: youre missing a package for alsa support probably
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15:42<valdyn>devil: thats not going to fix amarok
15:42<EmleyMoor>devil: Already tried that... no go
15:42<devil>EmleyMoor: then valdyn is right, something missing
15:42<amphi>alekfir: 'lspci | grep -i audio' should tell you
15:42<EmleyMoor>valdyn: If I knew which, I'd install it
15:42<valdyn>EmleyMoor: play with qtconfig-qt4 ?
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15:43<valdyn>EmleyMoor: i was looking, not finding anything
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15:43<valdyn>EmleyMoor: ( no package )
15:43<valdyn>EmleyMoor: its even possible that you can set this via gstreamer-properties
15:44<EmleyMoor>valdyn: Even in qtconfig, nothing sound-related I can alter
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15:44<alekfir>00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)
15:44<alekfir>01:05.1 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc RS780 Azalia controller
15:44<valdyn>EmleyMoor: greyed out here, "Phonon gstreamer backend not available"
15:45<EmleyMoor>valdyn: gstreamer-properties already using ALSA
15:45<valdyn>phonon-backend-gstreamer - GStreamer-0.10.x-Backend für Phonon
15:45<EmleyMoor>valdyn: Greyed out here despite its presence
15:45<valdyn>EmleyMoor: look again into the phonon tab of qtconfig-qt4
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15:46<EmleyMoor>valdyn: All greyed out
15:46<valdyn>EmleyMoor: that is, if youre on qt4 too naturally
15:46<valdyn>EmleyMoor: then you could try installing abovementioned package
15:46<devil>thats what i have, alsa related
15:46<alekfir>this card sound work well undre mandriva and ubuntu, but do not work with lenny
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15:46<EmleyMoor>valdyn: It *is* installed
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15:48<EmleyMoor>devil: Ditto. ALSA still not an option in amarok
15:48<devil>EmleyMoor: what is your DE?
15:49<devil>uh, no clue, me
15:49<alekfir>debian:/home/aballespin# dpkg -l | grep alsa
15:49<alekfir>ii alsa-base 1.0.17.dfsg-4 ALSA driver configuration files
15:49<alekfir>ii alsa-utils 1.0.16-2 ALSA utilities
15:49<alekfir>ii gstreamer0.10-alsa 0.10.19-2 GStreamer plugin for ALSA
15:49<alekfir>ii libesd-alsa0 0.2.36-3 Enlightened Sound Daemon (ALSA) - Shared lib
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15:50<devil>EmleyMoor: i am out, kde uses phonon. no idea how gnome does it
15:51<devil>EmleyMoor: before phonon it was arts
15:51<EmleyMoor>amarok uses phonon
15:51<valdyn>amarok does not work diffferently just because hes running gnome aswell
15:51<panoptician>So I just discovered a debian 3(!) server that does an important thing, a server for which nobody knows the root passwd. It boots into single user mode but still gives a standard login prompt. Is there any other way in?
15:51<EmleyMoor>amarok is so much nicer than exaile
15:51<devil>valdyn: no, it uses alsa through phonon or arts. no idea what gnome uses as sound server
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15:52<EmleyMoor>It does *not* allow me any choice but pulseaudio
15:52<EmleyMoor>It should, according to all I read
15:52<devil>EmleyMoor: what does dpkg -l | grep pulse* give?
15:53<valdyn>EmleyMoor: is gstreamer set to alsa?
15:53<EmleyMoor>valdyn: Yes
15:53<valdyn>EmleyMoor: did you remove my asoundrc again?
15:54<EmleyMoor>valdyn: Its presence was preventing me getting a sensible setup in ekiga - I keep it floating around
15:54<valdyn>EmleyMoor: good, just wanted you to remove it for amarok..
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15:54<EmleyMoor>valdyn: It's removed at present
15:55<valdyn>EmleyMoor: playing with xine backend. lets see
15:56<EmleyMoor>Which backend is set doesn't seem to make a difference
15:56<devil>EmleyMoor: i thought you said you removed pulseaudio? it has a firm grip on your soundsystem, as long as its installed, alsa wont work
15:56<EmleyMoor>devil: I've tried it both in and out
15:57<EmleyMoor>I didn't say I had removed it as it was pointed out before I began that its absence would not fix amarok
15:57<devil>EmleyMoor: you should reboot after removing anything pulseaudio
15:57<valdyn>EmleyMoor: phonon starts pulseaudio
15:57<valdyn>EmleyMoor: sorry: Amarok starts pulseadio and presents only pulseaudio for playback
15:57<valdyn>EmleyMoor: thats retarded, no idea what this is exactly
15:58<valdyn>EmleyMoor: or maybe amarok launches the qt4 media framework which in turn starts pulseaudio...
15:58<EmleyMoor>This appears to be designed to confuse
15:58<devil>as i said, as long as pulseaudio is installed, alsa wont work or even show up as choice
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15:58<valdyn>alright, so maybe just remove it
15:59<devil>and reboot or restart alsa
15:59<valdyn>or google on how to get ekiga to work properly
15:59<valdyn>skype works perfectly fine with pa and different output devices
15:59<EmleyMoor>valdyn: General verdict on ekiga with pulseaudio is "can't be done yet"
15:59<valdyn>i see
15:59<valdyn>EmleyMoor: i somehow doubt that
16:00<valdyn>EmleyMoor: i believe you can create 2 alsa devices who both go thru pulseaudio
16:00<valdyn>EmleyMoor: then make ekiga use 2 different alsa devices and tada, you can reditrect both differently
16:00<EmleyMoor>amarok depends on libpulse0
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16:01<EmleyMoor>valdyn: You are the second person to believe that - it would be an option if I could find it
16:02<valdyn>EmleyMoor: i will try it
16:03<mase_> EmleyMoor :D
16:03<valdyn>EmleyMoor: i see, thats fucked up
16:03<valdyn>EmleyMoor: ekiga doesnt not support alsa properly
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16:04<EmleyMoor>Ah, getting somewhere
16:05<EmleyMoor>amarok now playing over alsa :-)
16:05<valdyn>EmleyMoor: how?
16:06<jhutchins_lt>I think the last time I tried to track down functionality in pulseaudio, I was told by a fairly high-up developer that it wasn't actually an application, just a framework for future use.
16:06<valdyn>jhutchins_lt: this problem isnt with pulseaudio
16:06<valdyn>jhutchins_lt: its with ekiga
16:06<EmleyMoor>Removed all pulseaudio stuff except libpulse0 and libpulse-mainloop-glib0 and restarted alsa-utils
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16:06<valdyn>jhutchins_lt: and we cannot fix ekiga
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16:07<valdyn>jhutchins_lt: its a framework used aplenty in the real world in embeddded devices
16:07<EmleyMoor>Of course, no way to mix the ringing of the phone with the music but that is only a very minor down point
16:08<valdyn>ekiga needs to be fixed anyway
16:08<valdyn>even without pulseaudio
16:08<valdyn>since it does not use alsa properly and makes asoundrc useless
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16:08<valdyn>heck it should be using gstreamer, not alsa directly
16:08<valdyn>( or anything else that does sound properly )
16:08<EmleyMoor>pulseaudio does seem pretty impressive as an idea - and it's not its fault a few naughty apps won't comply
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16:09<valdyn>EmleyMoor: fortunately i dont need ekiga
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16:09<EmleyMoor>Ah, mixed the phone bell with the music using alsa alone
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16:10<devil>EmleyMoor: sorry to disagree. a framework that prevents alsa from being able to do its job is less than impressive for me.
16:10<EmleyMoor>I only really need it when the interference on my WiFi is too high for my N97 to work with asterisk
16:10<valdyn>devil: it does not prevent alsa from anything
16:10<cahoot>rather presumes alsa
16:10<valdyn>devil: it can coexist
16:11<valdyn>devil: and the work on top of each other
16:11<devil>valdyn: i had many users in our channel with the same prob. only solution: remove anything pulse* related
16:11<devil>valdyn: i have found no way to make that happen
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16:11<valdyn>devil: because they *need* ekiga or some other broken program
16:11<valdyn>devil: because ekiga insists on using alsa the wrong way
16:11<devil>valdyn: i dont see how ekiga comes in the game
16:12<valdyn>devil: thats the problem, you talk, but this problem is only caused by ekiga
16:12<EmleyMoor>I'd use something other than ekiga if there was anything reasonable that would do the same job better
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16:12<valdyn>devil: dig out an old app that uses oss the wrong way and you will end up having to remove alsa
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16:12<valdyn>devil: and pepople would say alsa sucks, we need oss
16:13<devil>valdyn: i never used ekiga, nor did other users i supported with amarok/pulseaudio
16:13<EmleyMoor>One alternative: a hardware IP phone - an idea for the future
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16:13<valdyn>devil: thats an example, not the only one by far
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16:13<devil>valdyn: i agree pa is improving, slowly
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16:13<valdyn>devil: its not changing at all
16:13<valdyn>devil: its about done
16:14<valdyn>devil: look at releases
16:14<valdyn>devil: the apps are improving
16:14<devil>well, i dont follow it explicitely, i just see less complaints
16:14<EmleyMoor>Anyway, food is due shortly so I'd better keep a look out for Abdul
16:14<valdyn>devil: last release of pa was in 2009
16:15<valdyn>devil: just now all distros are beginning to use it everywhere, including commercial embedded, ubuntu etc
16:15<devil>valdyn: ok. the one i am involved in, will not for a while :)
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16:16<valdyn>skype, flash and appearantly ekiga still need fixing, i dont know what else
16:16<valdyn>not alot I suppose because most software now relies on the popular frameworks
16:17<paladin>is hibernate having any problems in Sid?
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16:19<valdyn>paladin: I think it kind of has problems everywhere, depending on your hardware
16:20<valdyn>paladin: though I can normally could get it to work, with more or less tweaks
16:20<paladin>valdyn: mine's probably one of the worst - have a Packard Bell laptop
16:20<paladin>valdyn: nevertheless, hibernate worked correctly until some weeks ago
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16:21<valdyn>paladin: so you got a new kernel?
16:21<paladin>valdyn: nowadays everytime I resume from hibernate, the hibernate option disappears when I call the shutdown menu in Gnome
16:21<valdyn>paladin: ok, that is something else
16:21<paladin>valdyn: gues so...
16:21<valdyn>paladin: thats more of a dbus issue
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16:21<valdyn>paladin: permissions or somesuch, i cant help you fix that
16:21<paladin>valdyn: do you know what command I can use to query for the hibernate status?
16:21<valdyn>paladin: you can run the commands directly as root
16:22<paladin>valdyn: or someway else of debugging it...?
16:22<valdyn>paladin: no idea really
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16:22<paladin>valdyn: the dbus idea is good... I'm going to try to find out :)
16:22<valdyn>paladin: maybe with dbus-monitor, but im not into this
16:22<paladin>valdyn: thx
16:22<valdyn>paladin: i would try if you can actually hibernate on command line
16:23<valdyn>paladin: but I think thats not at all your issue
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16:24<paladin>valdyn: brb, then :)
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16:37<paladin>valdyn: manually it works, so I guess it's really a dbus issue
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17:05<paladin>valdyn: do you think it might be related with the fact that gnome-power-manager in Sid is 2.32, while most of the remaining gnome packages are 2.30?
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17:10<paladin>another topic: my BIOS does not have an option to enable Intel VT extension and they are not going to release a new version which does. Is anyone aware of another way of enabling Intel VT?
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17:12<mAniAk->yes, you could write your own bios
17:13<paladin>maniak-: sure... :P
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17:13<mAniAk->yep :P
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17:52<Xeross>Will any compiled binary work on another debian install (Same version) ?
17:52<Xeross>With of course the dependencies installed
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17:52<amphi>if it's the same arch, it should
17:53<Xeross>yeah they're all x86-64
17:53<Xeross>Good than I'll setup a seperate build environment
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18:34<Xeross>Is there some kind of definitive guide for debian packages I need to modify one because it has some files missing and some wrong permissions (It's not an official one)
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18:36<dondelelcaro>Xeross: the NM guide and Debian policy have most of it, but it's all scatered around.
18:37<Xeross>The specific things I need to know are how to change file ownership/permissions and how to add additional files
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18:39<dondelelcaro>Xeross: if it's just permissions, you set them directly when you install the file in debian/rules
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18:41<Xeross>dondelelcaro: Seems the package installs files in the wrong way already :/
18:41<dondelelcaro>Xeross: if it's the ownership, and it's not a static username, then you use statoverride or similar
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18:42<phorce1>what log level gets splattered all over your tty every time it's updated? I need to turn down logging on a test firewall, can't even type when there's a data storm.
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18:45<Xeross>so where would I add the file copying/chowning
18:45<Xeross>dh_install gets called but what does that call
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18:49<Xeross>so rules is to create the .deb package hmm
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19:09<Xeross>yay it works
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19:09<Xeross>Now where would I fix the permissions ?
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19:13<Xeross>dondelelcaro: So the rules file is only used during packaging/compilation and not at installation or ?
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19:17<dondelelcaro>Xeross: yes
19:17<dondelelcaro>Xeross: at installation time, you'd use a postinst or similar
19:17<Xeross>dondelelcaro: Ah yes postinst
19:17<dondelelcaro>Xeross: there is an example of what to do in policy, and you can see other examples in other packages
19:18<Xeross>I was planning on just doing a chown
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19:26<Xeross>dondelelcaro: Will the package installer not overwrite any already existing files or ?
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19:34<Xeross>Hmm so how can I execute certain parts of the postinst only if this is the first (Or after purge) install ?
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19:48<Xeross>I'll just use the current nginx package as reference
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19:57<r101011>my mdadm array is gone for somereason I cant explain, how can I mount one of the drives to recover data from it?
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19:58<r101011>trying to mount it I get no fs type mdraid or soemthing like that
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20:08<r101011>nvm got it haha
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20:44<xchat>any release goals for wheezy?
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21:07<jpinx-eeepc>,versions xchat
21:07<judd>Package xchat on i386 -- etch: 2.6.8-0.3; lenny: 2.8.6-2.1; squeeze: 2.8.8-1; sid: 2.8.8-3
21:07<jpinx-eeepc>qq-: ^^^
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21:08<dpkg>The release after squeeze will be called "wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie), and will be Debian 7.0.
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21:19<fjiels>Hello. I am installing Squeeze on a Dell server with a PERC raid controller set to do RAID-1. The installer is detecting both of the physical drives rather than the RAID volume. Any idea what I might do to remedy this?
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21:21<fjiels>This is with the Squeeze Beta-1 CD-1 installer.
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21:22<fjiels>Looks like another fellow had the same issue ( but no dice with his solution.
21:22<qq-> PERC it's a real raid or a fakeraid ?
21:23<fjiels>Olderversions used the megaraid/megaraid2 driver
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21:23<fjiels>my older machines with PERC work fine with the current installer
21:24<qq->fjiels, so install lenny ..
21:25<fjiels>qq and here I thought I was being helpful testing testing... :)
21:25<qq->Squeeze ism not for servers yet
21:26<qq->is* not
21:26<fjiels>I know. Like I say, I was testing. I will file a bug then.
21:27<qq->i see in kernel > CONFIG_MEGARAID_NEWGEN=y
21:27<fjiels>hmm, is mpt2sas in the kernel?
21:27<qq->fjiels, raid is seem by BIOS?
21:28<fjiels>hmm, let me see if it got loaded
21:28<fjiels>interesting, it was not loaded
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21:31<qq->fjiels, have you tested images from ? >
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21:32<fjiels>qq-, that is what I am using
21:32<fjiels>CD1 from the CD iso set
21:32<qq->they needs tests
21:33<qq->hm CD1 heavy , try netinstall , but that won't change nothing for kernel use
21:34<fjiels>Yeah I usually use netinstall, same issue of course
21:34<fjiels>someone else with the same problem said that the cd1 worked for them... it does not. *shrug*
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22:30<angasule_>has anyone used a symbian phone as a remote control with bluetooth? I have a nokia n5230 (same-ish as n5800) but I can't find anything that works (amora is for S60v3 and this is S60v5)
22:31<kop>angasule_: You should probably tell us exactly what the problem is if you expect to get help. (Not that I know anything about bluetooth.)
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22:31<angasule_>kop: software is required to do what I just said, but I'm not finding any software capable of doing it
22:32<kop>angasule_: Software for the phone?
22:32<angasule_>kop: both, obviously
22:33<angasule_>kop: the phone must have a client connecting to a server on the PC
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22:34<kop>angasule_: No doubt there's servers for debian. (/msg dpkg search) At least if there's standards involved and it's not all one-off proprietary stuff. The phone side is probably off-topic and you might find better help elsewhere.
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22:36<angasule_>kop: thanks, I'm not a newbie, don't take this the wrong way, but you are not being very helpful, the phone is relevant, as there is no actualy protocol AFAIK, and different phones can run different software
22:36<kop>angasule_: No worries. I'm not helpful because I know nothing of bluetooth.
22:37<angasule_>kop: yeap, no sweat, I'm only now learning about it, I finally got a laptop with bluetooth :-)
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22:37<kop>angasule_: What does "remote control" mean?
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22:39<angasule_>kop: it varies greatly, some programs just let you press a couple of 'keys' to pause movies or go to the next slide on a presentation, others let you use a pointer and take screenshots of your PC and show them on your phone
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22:40<angasule_>I'm giving a talk soonish, and it would be neat to be able to use my computer without having to walk up to it all the time
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22:41<jordanm>angasule_: wireless keyboard?
22:42<kop>angasule_: Simple. Find a hot babe to stand next to the computer and operate it. _Much_ more impressive. ;-)
22:42<jpinx-eeepc>angasule_: rig your Nokia to work your laptop over wifi or bluetooth, with X over ssh
22:42<angasule_>jordanm: are you suggesting I get one? just for the odd presentation every now and then? :-) I already have a phone and laptop, plus, the geek factor
22:42<jpinx-eeepc>kop: that is *so* tacky :p
22:42<angasule_>jpinx-eeepc: hey, babes work :P
22:43<TCW>09:49:26 -!- #debian Cannot join channel (+l) <- what happened there yesterday? (more or less UTC time)
22:43<angasule_>there is enough inappropriate behaviour at my office already :P
22:43<jpinx-eeepc>angasule_: heh
22:43<kop>jpinx-eeepc: Yes. And probably sexist too. I don't want to offend, but figure if you're in this channel you've probably got a reasonably tough skin.
22:43<jpinx-eeepc>TCW: not registered your nick?
22:44<angasule_>jpinx-eeepc: do you know that it can be done? I didn't know that was possible
22:44*jpinx-eeepc checks the armour-plating ;)
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22:44<jpinx-eeepc>angasule_: I am currently running things the other way around, my eeepc conrols my N900
22:44<kop>r00tsh3ll: You have something to contribute? Sending noise will get you kicked off.
22:45<angasule_>jpinx-eeepc: N900 is not quite the same as N5800 :-)
22:45<jordanm>he apparently just showed up to post question marks
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22:45<angasule_>jpinx-eeepc: I do have an N810, but I was hoping on using my phone
22:45<kop>We do want a welcoming environment for everybody, but do need to be able to talk openly. And frankly, like it or not, sex sells.
22:45<TCW>09:49:19 -NickServ ( You are successfully identified as TCW. <- jpinx-eeepc
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22:46<angasule_>kop: unfortunately, I want people to actually pay attention to my talk, not the babe :-)
22:46<jpinx-eeepc>angasule_: get one with a smaller chest?
22:46<kop>angasule_: Ok. (So you're not in it for the money then. ;-)
22:46<TCW>angasule_, what talk? And more important... what babe?! ;)
22:46<jpinx-eeepc>angasule_: phone - I mean :)
22:47<jpinx-eeepc>angasule_: dunno your phone, but most will do stuff over bluetooth...
22:47<angasule_>jpinx-eeepc: heh :-)
22:47<angasule_>jpinx-eeepc: yeap, bluetooth RC is what I want
22:47<angasule_>I guess I'll have to do X over ssh with the N810, unless anyremote decides to work
22:47<angasule_>java... blech
22:48<angasule_>TCW: it's about git in corporate environments, sort of
22:48<jpinx-eeepc>ah - my condolences for the loss of your sanity ;)
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22:49<angasule_>TCW: basically, about git but ignoring the distributed bit, and making a lot of emphasis on fine grained permissions
22:49<TCW>angasule_, obvoiously you did not get the "and more important" there! :p
22:49<angasule_>jpinx-eeepc: to what are you referring? too many reasons to lose my mind :-)
22:50<jpinx-eeepc>pick one
22:50<angasule_>TCW: heh I'd rather not reply, I have a girlfriend :D
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22:50<angasule_>jpinx-eeepc: 'corporate' is a safe bet, if looking to lose your mind
22:51<jpinx-eeepc>angasule_: problem solved - use the girlfriend :)
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22:52<kop>angasule_: You have a link? I thought I knew the very basics of git, but fine-grained permissions is not something that clicks.
22:52<TCW>angasule_, I see... sissy! :p
22:52<angasule_>yes, I'm going to bring my girlfriend to a room filled with 100+ programmers, like that's going to happen :P
22:52<jpinx-eeepc>angasule_: wimp :)
22:52<angasule_>kop: well, fine grained when compared to just read/write the entire repo :-)
22:53<angasule_>kop: you might be interested in gitolite
22:53<kop>angasule_: I tend towards darcs, but will have to do some git eventually. I'll take a look.
22:53<angasule_>also, since most of the target is gaming related, using submodules for including the art (videos, images, etc)
22:54<angasule_>kop: oh, I'm mentioning git because it's what I'm familiar and it has some good things, but really, any DVCS rocks compared to perforce, I'm sure
22:54<dondelelcaro>Holborn: start up the curses interface
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22:56<kop>angasule_: Darcs is just dead simple, and seems to do everything. They say it does not scale forever, execpt that the developers keep making it better and it seems to work fine on large stuff now. There seems no theoretical reason it should not scale.
22:57<angasule_>kop: I'm completely unfamiliar with darcs
22:57<kop>angasule_: It's the lisp of VC systems.
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22:59<angasule_>so many jokes I could make :-)
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23:04<kop>angasule_: gitolite sounds very interesting. It's always seemed like the whole .ssh/authorized_keys command= stuff could use a front-end. One wonders about something even more generic.
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23:06<angasule_>kop: making a font end is the last step
23:07<kop>angasule_: Sure, but we've had years.
23:08<angasule_>kop: actually, I think gitolite is rather new
23:08<kop>angasule_: I mean a .ssh/authorized_keys front-end.
23:09<kop>angasule_: (It's in stable, it can't be _that_ new. :)
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23:11<angasule_>I'm afraid of admins who are afraid of the command line, I guess
23:12<jordanm>those admins are not network, database, or linux admins
23:15<jpinx-eeepc>admins afraid of cli ?? get outta here ;)
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23:17<angasule_>jordanm: an admin that can't handle unix ain't no admin.
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23:32<Nemoder>weird, mumble client in squeeze just segfaults for me. but if I run it in gdb it works fine
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