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01:12<EmleyMoor>How do I see what IP numbers are currently connected to my system?
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01:15<jm_>netstat -na
01:16<EmleyMoor>I seem to have a suspicious connection to my smtp server
01:17<mjt>spammers are constantly trying...
01:17<mjt>but you've logs
01:18<EmleyMoor>Nothing I can see in logs relating to that address
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01:18<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... it's gone away
01:18<mjt>smtp servers performs logging
01:19<mjt>unless you turned that off, or your logs are filled up
01:20<EmleyMoor>All it shows is a timeout
01:22<mjt>do you worry about it?
01:22<EmleyMoor>I worry about the general poor network performance I am seeing on this machine
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01:58<xjjk>does anyone have any experience using a USB flash key drive for a Debian system?
01:58<xjjk>it's going to be slow… but I'm wondering how unreliable it'd be
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02:16<mjt>xjjk: how its usage is different especially on debian?
02:17<xjjk>mjt: I don't follow the question... how is it different than using a normal hard-disk based block device, or why I think it's different?
02:17<xjjk>for the former, it really isn
02:17<xjjk>for the latter, USB flash key drives tend to have a very low reliability
02:17<mjt>no, i mean you're asking about debian especially
02:17<mjt>how its different from, say windows or solaris?
02:18<mjt>the hardware's the same, the same speed, the same reliability.. no?
02:18<xjjk>mjt: I guess it has nothing specifically to do with Debian, other than thinking people here would have tried it
02:18<xjjk>mjt: you can't install Windows onto a USB flash disk; I'm not sure about Solaris
02:18<mjt>i guess almost everyone used usb sticks
02:19<jm_>you can
02:19<mjt>windows vista+, yes, xp can't be installed into usb-anything
02:19<mjt>ditto for any *nix i guess
02:19<mjt>(linux for sure)
02:19<xjjk>I've a server machine with an internal USB port
02:20<xjjk>I'd like to turn it into a lightweight fileserver, and use a flash drive for the system
02:20<mjt>it doesn't really matter where the port is
02:20<xjjk>no, it doesn't
02:20<xjjk>other than that since it's internal, it's a bit more feasible to do this
02:20<xjjk>it's not going to get knocked off during operation/etc
02:21<xjjk>afaik the entire point of putting a USB port internally IS to do this, no?
02:21<mjt>probably. i dunno
02:21<mjt>i'd used something like compactFlash for that instead
02:21<mjt>_much_ faster :)
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02:23<jm_>how is it faster?
02:23<xjjk>what I have is what I have
02:23<mjt>2 or 3 times for cards i have
02:24<mjt>typical usb stick ~5..10mb/s write, ~15..20mb/s read, fast one up to 20 write, 25 read
02:24<xjjk>jm_: USB key flash drives typically don't have speed ratings; CompactFlash cards do (though real-world speeds vary)
02:24<mjt>cf up to 60 mb/s
02:24<jm_>xjjk: ehh? I only but decent ones that do
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02:24<mjt>and i do have at least one 8gb cf which really does ~60mb/s
02:24<xjjk>jm_: decent what?
02:25<jm_>xjjk: usb keys ... what else?
02:25<xjjk>jm_: "ones" is ambigious, you could be referring to either keys or cards
02:25<xjjk>jm_: most don't
02:25<jm_>xjjk: no I wouldn't, because you arelady said those have ratings ...
02:25<xjjk>I just bought an OCZ Rally 2, which AFAIK is one of the fastest MLC-based drives available
02:25<xjjk>and the packaging has no speed ratings
02:26<jm_>interesting - 60MB/s, that must have been an expensive flash storage
02:26<xjjk>mjt: are you testing that
02:26<mjt>labelled "266" or something like that
02:27<xjjk>how do you know it actually goes 60 MB/sec?
02:27<mjt>um. iostat and vmstat shows some stats. when copying a large file i know how much does it take.
02:28<xjjk>sorry, I meant what reader are you using
02:28<mjt>ide2cf adaptor
02:28<xjjk>I see, neat
02:28<mjt>no electronics inside :)
02:29<xjjk>I've never gotten past 10 MB/sec with USB2
02:29<xjjk>though it's very difficult to find a rated USB reader
02:29<jm_>really? my usb key goes 29mb/s for reads, my 2T disk in usb 3.0 enclosure does 35MB/s
02:30<xjjk>jm_: for reading CompactFlash
02:30<jm_>xjjk: ohh, for those I only have 133x ones so it's limited by that
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02:31<xjjk>it's difficult to tell, there's always a bottleneck somewhere
02:31<jm_>yes, in general flash is huge disapointment for me as far as speed goes
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02:35<mjt>29mb/s for reads is a _very_ good result
02:35<mjt>for usb2 stick
02:35<mjt>it's rare when they go faster than 25mb/s, usually less than 20
02:37<mjt>usb2 speed limit is about 30..31MB/s iirc
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02:40<xjjk>how do you get 30.31?
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02:52<mjt>i don't
02:52<mjt>this is what usb can do in theory
02:52<mjt>or maybe 35?
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03:09<jm_>that's what cfv reported for me, too bad the writes to this disk in linux are crap
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03:12<xjjk>I get 53.6441802978515625
03:13<xjjk>is max theoretical
03:13<xjjk>w/out considering overhead
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03:14<xjjk>er, sorry, typo
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03:17<mjt>overhead there is quite large
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03:17<xjjk>I don't know the protocol to calculate overhead
03:18<xjjk>there are also noise issues
03:18<mjt>it's min 10% (theoretically). probably not 50% but...
03:18<xjjk>how long the cable is, how much you bend it, random noise
03:18<xjjk>etc etc
03:18<mjt>overall they always talk about some 30-ish megabytes/sec figures
03:19<xjjk>the most I've ever gotten is 40 MiB/sec
03:19<mjt>very unlikely :)
03:19<xjjk>I don't care enough to prove it
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04:22<macarthur>cpufreq doesn't seem to be working on an old toshiba satellite that i have, it's got a celeron m cpu. I've searched and it supposedly works with th p4_<something> module installed and loaded i've gotten it up there but it's not allowing me to do it. Is this just because it actually doesn't support cpu scaling? Because if not, i'm worried that this thing'll be running way too hot most of the time.
04:22<jm_>macarthur: that's not a real cpufreq stuff
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04:23<jm_>macarthur: it's doing cpu throttling only
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04:23<macarthur>cpureq-info and the cpufreq module is installed. the cpufreq-applet too shows up that i'ts supposedly doing something. isn't that a similar thing? i've installed cpufreqd, cpufreq-utils and some library for cpufreq.
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04:24<macarthur>so what exactly is the point of this throttling since 70*C avg temps is way too high for a useable cpu.
04:24<macarthur>high darrennh
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04:25<jm_>find posts from Arjan van de Ven for a better explanation of what it does
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06:22<Txt-file>I want to set one cpu-core to performance and the other core should use the conservative governor. Is this possible to do this at boot time?
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06:40<SummerSanta>hello... anyone knows why iceweasel crashes when i try to switch youtube on full screen?
06:41<weasel>because flash sucks
06:41<SummerSanta>i know that
06:41<SummerSanta>so it`s there a way to make it work?
06:41<SummerSanta>or it`s like that for everybody?
06:42<Txt-file>did you try to update your flashplayer?
06:42<SummerSanta>well... i have 1 day experience with
06:42<SummerSanta>i`m not rly that good using the terminal... and most of the guides just don`t work
06:43<Txt-file>I had the same problem a week ago
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06:43<SummerSanta>apt-get update
06:43<SummerSanta>or should i do something more?
06:43<SummerSanta>i tried with aptitude upgrade flashplayer and it doesen`t work..
06:43<Txt-file>but I manual installed the flash-plugin and after using the flashplugin-nonfree it works now
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06:44<SummerSanta>i used this guide
06:44<SummerSanta>to install flash player
06:45<SummerSanta>any tips on what should i do?
06:45<jm_>SummerSanta: using version 3.6 with plugin-container shall help
06:46<Txt-file>jm_: but 3.6 is only in experimental
06:47<jm_>Txt-file: sadyl yes, it's a bitch to build 3.6.12 (.10 was OK with backports)
06:47<SummerSanta>so i should use firefox instead of iceweasel?
06:47*icebrain thinks it won't help, since Firefox probably depends on newer stuff too
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06:48<jm_>SummerSanta: well try it, you can stick it in /opt or ~/firefox or whatever
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06:49<Txt-file>jm_: I use the iceweasel 4.0~b5-1 from deb ./ and had the same problem a week ago
06:49<SummerSanta>and how did you fixed it?
06:50<SummerSanta>from where di you got your flash player?
06:50<jm_>Txt-file: really? I am using amd64 port and flash is even more unstable than on 32bit and firefox started crashing because of it ever since I managed to build 3.6.10
06:50<jm_>that should say "iceweasel stopped crashing" :)
06:50<Txt-file>the problem occurred when I manual installed the 64bit prerelease
06:50<Txt-file>now with flashplugin-nonfree it's working fine
06:51<jm_>from d-m repository?
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06:53<SummerSanta>jm_ i didn`t rly understood what should i do... as i said.. i have ~ 1 day using linux :|
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06:53<SummerSanta>can you make a lil newbie guide?
06:53<jm_>SummerSanta: you can download firefox package from mozilla and put it somewhere where it doesn't interfere with debian
06:55<SummerSanta>dl-ing.. so i got myself a tar.bz2 archive...
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07:00<Txt-file>SummerSanta: you should unpack it to something like ~/firefox/ then start it from your file manager
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08:35<twisla>how does this work?
08:35<Txt-file>twisla: looks so ... any problem?
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08:35<twisla>i am new with linux
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08:36<twisla>finding out what this is lol
08:37<twisla>so this is public chat??
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08:38<babilen>twisla: Yes, and in particular it is a channel for Debian support. There are backtrack channels though
08:38<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
08:38<babilen>jm_: thanks … just wanted to do that as well
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08:39<twisla>can u tell me the right 1 for backtrack??
08:39<babilen>twisla: You can connect to the bt channel with: "/connect" and "/join #backtrack-linux"
08:39<babilen>have fun
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08:41<twisla>is that in the list before i connect??
08:41<twisla>sorry i realy dont know anything abouth this
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08:42<Txt-file>twisla: just enter the two commands without the " and you get to the backtrace-channel
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08:44<babilen>twisla: If you are using a graphical client it is quite likely that freenode is in the list of networks you can connect to.
08:44<babilen>!irc primer
08:44<dpkg>"A Short IRC Primer": . See also "The IRC Prelude":
08:44<babilen>twisla: You might want to read ^^^
08:45<twisla>yes thats great thanks hahaha
08:45<twisla>reading now
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08:46<Txt-file>I want to set one cpu-core to performance and the other core should use the conservative governor. Is this possible to do this at boot time?
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08:46<jm_>Txt-file: yes
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08:49<Txt-file1>jm_: wanna tell me how?
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08:50<jm_>Txt-file1: just use cpufreq-set or echo > in an init script (I don't think any current package is flexible enough to have a per-cpu specific configuration)
08:51<Txt-file1>cpufrqutils brings already a init.d-script ... I try to edit this ... report later
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09:05<jm_>Txt-file1: it does, but it sets the same governor for all CPU-s
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09:22<paabliito2010>I Have a probleme withc my computer
09:23<supplicant>that doesn't tell us much
09:23<tash>that's just
09:23<babilen>!smart questions
09:23<dpkg>Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: - Be sure to look at the section - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with helpers. Also ask me about <reportbug>.
09:23<babilen>paabliito2010: You might want to provide more details. ;)
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09:24<paabliito2010>O Jesus...
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09:24<babilen>!es-social mojonesescocios
09:24<dpkg>mojonesescocios: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
09:24<mojonesescocios>ola ola ola ola ola ola
09:24<tash>only english here... pablo francisco
09:25<babilen>paabliito2010: Stop it please
09:25<paabliito2010>pABLO FRANCISCO?
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09:28<@Ganneff>jlil__: talk to channel, dont msg people
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09:31<Frank2112>How would i change the primary boot partition from linux to windows?
09:31<Frank2112>So it will load windows on default instead of linux?
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09:32<Txt-file>Frank2112: just change the default-entry in the grub.cfg/menu.lst
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09:34<Frank2112>Ok im new to linux, is their a way to do this via windows? Im just leaving linux their for a fail-safe os incase something happens to windows.
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09:34<Txt-file>Frank2112: No. You have to boot Linux to edit the files.
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09:35<Txt-file>or you install a filesystem driver for ext3 but I don't know if that's safe
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10:31<Txt-file>pc_: what's your problem?
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10:50<Silicium01>How can I get a filename of a randomly selected file in a specific directory?
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11:49<mjt>any tool (preferrable non-gui) i can use to change a partition OEM-ID string?
11:50<mjt>um. it's probably filesystem OEM id, not partition. ntfs.
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12:07<bob>hi !
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12:08<iman>i only can listen from one side of headphone, what's the problem?
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12:09<bob>I'm using debian squeeze (2.6.32-5) and I have an usb wifi key RTL8187, there is problem with this key, I see here there is patch publish 3 days ago, anybody can help me to apply it to my system for testing ?
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12:16<luis_>my name is luis
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12:16*supplicant waves
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12:21<bja>!tell luis_ about es
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12:21<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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12:24<Frog>alguem sabe como instalar programas que baixo da internet no debian? não consigo....
12:24<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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12:48<dpkg>Voor Nederlandstalige hulp met debian kunt U terecht in #debian-nl. For help with debian in Dutch, you can join #debian-nl.
12:48<dpkg>somebody said co was Colombia
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12:51<diederik>I have a nvidia GT 430 video card with vdpau etc. What is the best setting for (s)mplayer's video output driver?
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12:53*AWei paei na faei
12:53<diederik>When viewing a (full) HD movie the image seems unable to keep up (regularly)
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12:57<p4rk3r3oy>I am having problems using a wine program. It says it will not run while the system debugger is running. Any help....please.
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12:57<jordanm>p4rk3r3oy: what version of debian are you using?
12:59<dpkg>bt is, like, Bhutan, or <bluetooth>, or British Telecom, or <bittorrent>, or <BackTrack>.
12:59<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
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12:59<p4rk3r3oy>yeah...first time using this chat funtion....
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13:00<p4rk3r3oy>It was the easiest OS to get running on about everything I have tried it on...
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13:00<Silicium01>Can someone help me with a shell scrip tthat reads filenames in a directory and returns random one?
13:00<jordanm>p4rk3r3oy: their community supports their distro. our community support ours
13:01<jordanm>Silicium01: why a random one?
13:01<p4rk3r3oy>as far support for devices...thanks guys
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13:01<Silicium01>jordanm, trying to replace desktop background with random image from folder
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13:01<jordanm>if you are running gnome, I am pretty sure that functionality is built-in
13:02<jordanm>atleast in squeeze
13:02<Silicium01>I have lenny
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13:06<babilen>Silicium01: Have a look at "shuf" and in particular "shuf -n 1"
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13:07<babilen>Silicium01: But I also think that this functionality might already be implemented in one of the background setters
13:07<Silicium01>babilen, know any such apps?
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13:08<Silicium01>I just use gconftool cli
13:08<babilen>Silicium01: fbsetbg, feh and the like come to mind
13:08<Silicium01>just need to get the filenames randomly that's it
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13:09<babilen>Silicium01: Yes, fbsetbg supports setting a random wallpaper -- you also need feh
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13:09<Silicium01>babilen, gconftool does it fine actually, my only goal now is to be able to retrieve random image name from dir
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13:10<babilen>Silicium01: I already told you to have a look at "shuf -n 1" which will work nicely with find
13:10<Silicium01>babilen, ok
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13:12<babilen>Something like "find $HOME/.background -type f -name '*.jpg' -o -name '*.png' -name '*.whatever' | shuf -n 1"
13:13<babilen>make sure that the files don't contain spaces. But writing a suitable script is outside the scope of this channel
13:13<rpetre>-regex works nice too shorten the -name -o -name ... thing
13:13<babilen>rpetre: Yes :) -- Stand back! I know regular expressions.
13:14<rpetre>babilen: for extra RE goodness there's -regextype :)
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13:15<rpetre>(and don't worry, i didn't miss the xkcd reference)
13:15<rpetre>shuf knows about -z , so you can -print0 in find
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13:17<babilen>… seems as if writing that script is not outside the scope of this channel after all ;)
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13:19<diederik>I've installed the nvidia driver from their website. Are there any debian packages needed in order to use vdpau?
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13:28<mase>diederik i don't think vdpau is supported by any video engine like xine or gstreamer but im not shure
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13:30<mase>oh, i may be wrong
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13:33<diederik>mase: I thought xine and gstreamer were audio related?
13:36<mase>diederik no (not only), they can be used to play video. KDE/Kaffeine is using xine by default to play videos (btw std output method is XV (xvideo))
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13:37<mase>diederik im not shure what gstreamer can do. At least it can recode videos
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13:37<diederik>mase: well I am running KDE (4.5). Is XV the fastest/best way to output video?
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13:37<diederik>Today I installed my brand new video card and am trying to figure out why it isn't performing as I expected
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13:38<slurb>diederik, what card?
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13:38<diederik>nvidia GT 430
13:38<mase>diederik for now it is. vdpau or XvMC would be better but i never got such things to work
13:38<slurb>i have a gts250
13:39<slurb>works great for me
13:39<diederik>mase: grr. Does it perform good with you?
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13:39<mase>diederik xv is quite good enough. software encoding and hardware scaling
13:39<diederik>slurb: what drivers are you using and/or settings I need to make?
13:40<slurb>i use the nvidia driver and that is not supported here
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13:40<mase>diederik i never got hardware mpeg decoding to work. i gave up a long time ago and there is no need for me since most videos i have arent even mpeg
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13:41<diederik>mase: but with xv I don't get the performance I want/expect and I bought that card specifically to do the video (instead of my CPU)
13:41<diederik>mase: do you use h264?
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13:42<mase>diederik no, just tried hd-mpeg4 (is it the same?)
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13:42<diederik>slurb: same here, although I needed to get the drivers from their website, since the packages in the archives don't support my card (yet)
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13:43<diederik>mase: probably. Don't know all the specific variants, but it is mpeg4 and it is HD
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13:43<slurb>i did also, so i can play call of duty modern warfare with wine
13:43<mase>diederik but the nvidia drivers have to work; otherwise you don't even have XV. and then its very slow...
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13:45<diederik>mase: I do have the nvidia drivers, version 260.19.14
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13:45<diederik>and according to Xorg.0.log everything seems fine
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13:46<slurb>just to get an idea from
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13:47<mase>diederik you can have a look at "mplayer". it seems to support vdpau, but you have to set the "vdpau" ouput method manually on command line
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13:48<mase>diederik at least this is a nice way to debug if vdpau is working or why its not.
13:49<diederik>slurb: I was looking at but they seem to install extra (ubuntu) packages
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13:49<diederik>mase: I was trying to experiment with that (I use smplayer), but only setting vdpau seems to be worse then xv
13:50<diederik>but will try from the commandline some more
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13:50<mase>diederik yep, may be since vdpau it will use a fallback. on command line you can see what it is actually using
13:51<mase>diederik yep, may be since vdpau isnt working it will use a fallback. on command line you can see what it is actually using
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13:52<diederik>mase: I am trying that now, but am getting errors
13:52<diederik>"could not connect to socket" while trying to play a local file
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13:53<diederik>and that LIRC isn't working, so I can't use a remote control (seen this 'error' before)
13:53<mase>diederik can you pastebin the whole output?
13:54<mase>(i gues the socket it can't connect is the lirc daemon?)
13:55<diederik>could very well be, but it isn't showing the mplayer window and on the console nothing happens either
13:56<diederik>until I hit enter, when the mplayer gets shutdown
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13:57<diederik>it's doing something now ...
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14:00<slurb>diederik, try mplayer -vo xvmc pathtomovie
14:01<diederik>slurb: will try that too
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14:05<diederik>mase: the logfile mainly contains lines like this:
14:05<diederik>A: 16.4 V: 16.4 A-V: 0.000 ct: 0.021 0/ 0 6% 527% 1.7% 391 0 [J
14:06<diederik>is that still useful?
14:06<diederik>on the other hand I did get some things in the Konsole ...
14:06<mase>diederik of courese not. the terminals output would help
14:06<diederik>**** Your system is too SLOW to play this! ****
14:07<diederik>and then it disabled compositing and the file played fine ...
14:07<mase>diederik ok, compositing of youre display manager could also be a problem why xv isn't working well
14:09<diederik>mase: seems quite likely. But don't know why that seems to be a problem now
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14:10<mase>diederik cause compositing desktop managers redirect video output to a texture or something like that
14:10<diederik>that's the Konsole output
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14:11<mase>diederik isn't (temporarily) disabling compositing a option for you?
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14:14<diederik>mase: yes, of course. But that's a workaround, not a fix ;)
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14:15<mase>diederik video playback problems in a compositing environment are quite natural
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14:16<mase>diederik imagine that you are able to rotate your desktops in a cube and the video is still playing on one of the cubes sides
14:16<diederik>mase: but I didn't have them with non-HD movies on my old video card
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14:17<diederik>it's natural to have an (negative) effect, but I expected that my new card would be able to handle that.
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14:17<mase>diederik whats about pal videos on your current(new) machine?
14:18<diederik>could be that the drivers need further development and/or audio is an issue
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14:18<Mr_Queue>tcpdump is showing the following. However for the amount of bandwidth being reported from bwm-ng somehting is not right. Seems like I'm being blasted with packetss for some reason.
14:19<Mr_Queue>I have nothing but an idol ssh session active
14:19<mase>diederik im not very shure but isnt creating a texture quite software-sided?
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14:21<diederik>mase: I don't know. Don't (really) know what the various graphics options, like texture, mean and/or the consequence of them
14:21<diederik>Playing a XVid movie with 945 kbps video stream and 128 kbps audio stream with compositing -> no problem
14:21<mase>diederik did you have a further look at the mplayers options about making use of direct rendering instead of X?
14:22<mase>(purely X)
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14:22<diederik>I had/have enable direct rendering in smplayer, but should first solve this with mplayer (better feedback)
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14:28<mase>diederik my experience is that compositing seems to disable many 2d accelerations. I even wasn't able to use openoffice on a slow machine.
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14:29<diederik>mase: interesting, didn't know that.
14:29<diederik>image/video quality on that xvid movie does seem to be better then with the old card
14:30<mase>diederik im not shure if it is true but i would explain it to me like this:
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14:32<diederik>is it normal to have 30-50% CPU utilisation on both cores on an AMD64 X2 4400?
14:32<diederik>while playing the mentioned xvid file
14:33<mase>diederik a GraficCard can draw a specific line accelerated to your screen by calculating (hardware) the pixel it has to set. But it can not draw a line to a texture thats mapped to a 3d-plane. the texture is calculated by software and then given to the graphic-card which can be perfectly moved in the 3d area by the graphic-card
14:34<diederik>mase: sounds quite plausable
14:34<mase>diederik this might be completely wrong but it would explain every issues i have with compositioning desktops
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14:38<mase>diederik on old machine i onced used a output technique called "overlay". that did not send the output to X but used direct output or something like that. That way the redirection of the desktop manager was not used
14:39<mase>diederik but that were 300Mhz Pc's. in that way they could even play DVD-Quality movies
14:39<diederik>mase: effect sounds similar to disabling compositing
14:40<mase>diederik shure
14:40<mase>diederik but telling the player to do so wouldn have the need you to disable compisiting
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14:42<diederik>I think I'm going to disable loads of stuff on my desktop and then open htop in one Konsole window and starting mplayer from the commandline from another
14:42<diederik>and play with various settings to see what effect they have
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14:43<diederik>if I find something interesting I'll report back. Thanks for the help (so far).
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14:58<jimmy_>alguien q me ayude con linx
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14:59<mase>jimmy_ can you speak english please
15:00<diederik>when you start mplayer from the command line, will it use settings from ~/.mplayer ?
15:00<jimmy_>alguien q hable español
15:00<diederik>I only have contents in the gui.conf file in that directory
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15:00<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
15:01<jimmy_>please .... 1 people speak español
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15:05<mase>diederik it might use ~/.mplayer/config , but if it does not exist you have to create it
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15:29<mil0>Does anyone know how to disable a laptops bluetooth on boot, to be manually enabled when needed?
15:30<mase>mil0 like blacklist the bluetooth module for start?
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15:33<mil0>mase: if possible yeah, i have to disable on every boot to conserve battery life. sometimes i forget. Only thing is its a wifi/BT all in one card
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15:34<mase>mil0 to conserve battery life it is better to disable it by hardware for shure... isn't there a switch on your laptop?
15:35<mase>mil0 (i doubt it would save any power if you disable it by software)
15:35<jhutchins2>Disabling the bluetooth daemon with rcconf should be enough.
15:36<jhutchins2>mase: hareware is increasingly under software control - consider the software radios in most wifi chipsets.
15:36<jhutchins2>mase: Power is typically under software control these days, Cpu frequency, fan speed, etc.
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15:37<mil0>how do i disable in rcconf? and will this allow me manually enable should i need it
15:37<jhutchins2>mase: Hardware "switches" are typically merely input devices for processes controlled by software.
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15:38<jhutchins2>mil0: Don't have my BT system available at the moment., but use whatever tool you prefer to tell the system not to start bluetooth - kde has "system services", rcconf is an optional menu-style console program that lists daemons and allows you to enable/disable them.
15:38<mase>jhutchins2 not on laptops, they get really "disconnected"
15:39<jhutchins2>mase: Not on the one's I've had (and taken apart).
15:39<jhutchins2>mase: Consider the main power button - often under OS control these days.
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15:40<mase>jhutchins2 ??? thats acpi, another story, but laptops bluetooth are commonly connected via usb (internaly) so thay can realy get disconnected with a hardware switch
15:40<jhutchins2>mase: I tend to avoid gnome and don't know what would control services there, although they must have something.
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15:41<jhutchins2>mase: You must have seen different laptops than I have.
15:41<mase>jhutchins2 any i had
15:41<jhutchins2>mil0: Sorry, above comment re gnome was for you.
15:41<Lumooja>hi, i just installed debian 6 beta1, and my grub is messed up :) and this grub 2 has no menu.lst
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15:42<Lumooja>i think it has grub.cfg, but how do it add my windows boot in there?
15:42<jhutchins2>Lumooja: Yup. Known problem area on the installer.
15:42<jhutchins2>Lumooja: Which installer did you use?
15:42<Lumooja>graphical installer from cd-1 kde amd64
15:43<jhutchins2>Lumooja: Not the daily or weekly build?
15:43<mil0>i have set InitiallyPowered to false in /etc/bluetooth/main.conf but this doesnt seem to resolve it
15:43<Lumooja>i downloaded what was on the current beta1 page
15:43<jhutchins2>Lumooja: You may just be able to run update-grub and grub-install
15:43<jhutchins2>Lumooja: Ok, the beta1 then.
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15:43<jhutchins2>Lumooja: (Hint: this is why it's "beta".)
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15:44<Lumooja>oh the beta is ok, i have more problem with the grub2 change
15:44<jhutchins2>Lumooja: See if you can find the bug and report your hardware.
15:44<Lumooja>i know only how to use grub1
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15:45<jhutchins2>Lumooja: As far as I can tell there's no documentation on grub2 yet. Local changes are, of all places, in /etc/defaults/grub.
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15:45<Lumooja>the funny thing is, that grub2 finds all my OS, but it only adds deb6
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15:46<jhutchins2>Lumooja: Yeah, there's something fishy about the way the installer does it, update-grub seems to do ok. I also found it wierd that while it was able to name the other linux installs on my system (Mandriva, Kubuntu) as it detected them, when it put them in grub it listed them by their kernels.
15:46<jhutchins2>That persisted with the manual update.
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15:48<Lumooja>well that's ok too, i've never seen grub working correctly automatically, but as long i can change with vi the text file i'm happy :)
15:48<jhutchins2>Lumooja: I gather you're not supposed to do that any more.
15:48<Lumooja>i have kinda messy grub config, since i have also like 8 OS installed
15:48<jhutchins2>Lumooja: I'm sure grub2 will make a fine mess out of that.
15:49<Lumooja>oh btw, a n00b question, why does kate not work as root?
15:49<jhutchins2>Lumooja: Because it can't open the display?
15:50<jhutchins2>Use your DE's sudo function.
15:50<devil>it does work in kde4
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15:51<Lumooja>kdesudo kate doesn't launch kate either, it only asks for root password
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15:54<Lumooja>i'm not sure if i should report all these little things as bugs
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15:54<jhutchins2>I would. Hopefully there will be some meaningful triage.
15:55<jhutchins2>Hopefully they're already reported and you can just add a "me too".
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15:55<jhutchins2>Lumooja: Remember there's the installation-reports package.
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15:55<Lumooja>there were not many known bugs in deb6 from what i saw on the web page
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15:55<jhutchins2>I did notice that there were some programs that seemed to be reluctant to launch throught the Alt-F2 quick-launcher.
15:56<jhutchins2>Lumooja: Bugs, or Relase Critical Bugs?
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15:56<Lumooja>i don't know the difference
15:57<jhutchins2>Lumooja: Release criticals are "causes car to crash into wall" bugs.
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15:58<Lumooja>ok, so like fatal bugs, which destroy data on your harddrive
15:58<jhutchins2>Like the i915/855 bug that hard-locked with a black screen. Fixed, then apparently broken again (my i855 died).
15:58<jhutchins2>Lumooja: Yes, usability as opposed to convenience.
15:59<jthomas_sb>I've a Debian 5.0 webserver setup and its Sendmail used to be able to forge outgoing email addresses (for the virthost websites) as Now all emails are going out as I am stumped, might anyone have suggestions? I think, but am not sure, that this is related to updates from a week ago
15:59<jhutchins2>Lumooja: Still, they can't fix a bug if it's not reported. Bug reports are a way of contributing.
16:00<jhutchins2>jthomas_sb: Did any of your config files get changed by the updates?
16:00<Lumooja>yeah, i would like to post bugs in somekind of harmless place, just little things which don't work with a vanilla install
16:00<jthomas_sb>(I want to to be able to forge the from address)
16:00<jhutchins2>jthomas_sb: Virtual hosting in sendmail isn't a one-click thing, but it can be figured out from the documentation.
16:00<jthomas_sb>jhutchins2 I am not sure, not that I know of. I reverted the and .mc files from backups but it is still the case
16:01<jthomas_sb>sorry, the virthosting is in Apache; those sites use Sendmail to send out confirmation emails, etc, for a variety of domains
16:01<jhutchins2>jthomas_sb: Very strange. It's a complex system if you're using the m4 templates to build, something could have change din them.
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16:01<jhutchins2>jthomas_sb: I think sendmail also refers to it as virtual hosting, in fact aren't the hostnames in a table called "virtual"?
16:01<jhutchins2>jthomas_sb: It's actually the client that sets the origin name, although sendmail has the ability to rewrite it.
16:02<jthomas_sb>and it seems to be doing so
16:02<jhutchins2>jthomas_sb: Sorry, my sendmail is a bit rusty and I've gotta go pull the wheels off my truck and feed horses. Good luck!
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16:03<jthomas_sb>thanks jhutchins2. anyone else have ideas?
16:04<Lumooja>oh this look good now, i just ran update-grub as root and it said it added all my other OS :) gonna reboot now, bbl :) thanks jhut!
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16:08<Lumooja>wonderful, it works, thanks again, now i have all my OS in grub
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16:13<st0rm>good night!!
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16:14<Lumooja>hmm, anyone know where i can report deb6 bugs?
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16:15<Maulkin>You can use "reportbug" on your computer to help you
16:15<Lumooja>ok same page
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16:18<xorcon>hi everyone
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16:19<Lumooja>hmm, one more question... apparently i should search for existing bug reports before posting a new bug, but i can't find a full text search like if i want to search for "grub2" or "update-grub"
16:19<xorcon>I've quite an annoying problem using apache
16:20<xorcon>i changed the php.ini date.timezone to "Europe/Berlin" and restarted, but apache doesn't gar
16:20<xorcon>*care not gar
16:20<xorcon>How can this be?
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16:21<xorcon>anyone can help?
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16:21<Lumooja>i don't think apache cares about php.ini, maybe only for php apps
16:21<xorcon>but it is one
16:21<Lumooja>i would assume apache uses OS regional settings first
16:22<xorcon>and i changed this using tz-and-so-on
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16:23<xorcon>And it is Berlin
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16:24<xorcon>nevertheless date_default_timesone_get() echos System/Localtime
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16:24<xorcon>and this makes me mad :P
16:25<Lumooja>; Defines the default timezone used by the date functions
16:25<Lumooja>;date.timezone =
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16:25<Lumooja>heh irc doesn't like pasting
16:25<Lumooja>date.timezone = "Europe/London"
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16:27<Lumooja>some ppl mention xampp restart also, maybe you should just reboot the whole server
16:27<Lumooja>maybe apache restart is not enough
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16:27<xorcon>restarting the whole system?
16:28<xorcon>never did that. whats the ssh-command?
16:28<Lumooja>init 6 :)
16:28<Lumooja>but yeah, shutdown should work too
16:28<Lumooja>shutdown -r
16:28<xorcon>guess reboot is better, i cant switch it on again
16:29<Lumooja>you want to restart also
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16:31<xorcon>i love linux shutdown -r -t 5 and nothing happens…
16:32<Lumooja>jeez, reboot command is dangerous... i just tried it
16:32<Lumooja>it reboots without asking :P
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16:33<xorcon>bt nothing happend. it doesnt reboot
16:34<xorcon>damn it.
16:34<xorcon>what's wrong? shutdown -r -t 5 +m
16:34<Lumooja>reboot command also didn't work?
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16:35<xorcon>no, this works
16:35<xorcon>whish me luck…
16:35<Lumooja>good luck!
16:36<xorcon>wish of course
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16:37<xorcon>yeay, successfull rebooted
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16:38<xorcon>but no change at all
16:38<Lumooja>damn :)
16:38<xorcon>still System/Localtime
16:38<xorcon>Is there a second .ini?
16:38<xorcon>Something overwriting?
16:38<xorcon>can't really imagine
16:39<Lumooja>what zone string did you use?
16:39<xorcon>What do you mean?
16:40<Lumooja>Europe/Berlin is supported
16:41<xorcon>;date.timezone ='Europe/London'
16:41<xorcon>Work neither ;-)
16:41<Lumooja>why the ;
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16:45<Lumooja>you know that ; means comment, so it's not doing anything?
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16:46<jthomas_sb>I've a Debian 5.0 webserver setup and its Sendmail used to be able to forge outgoing email addresses (for the virthost websites) as Now all emails are going out as I am stumped, might anyone have suggestions? I think, but am not sure, that this is related to updates from a week ago. (I *want* to to be able to forge the 'from' address)
16:49<xorcon>Lumooja Thanks a Million…
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16:49<xorcon>Just too stupid. Damn it…
16:49<Lumooja>yay i fixed it! :)
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16:50<Lumooja>jthomas: have you installed: sendmail-8.xx
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16:52<Lumooja>and i think you need to vi /etc/mail/genericstable
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16:55<jthomas_sb>Lumooja I don't have that genericstable file, what would go in there? plus that seems to be for rewriting local names to a full email; the emails that are going out aren't real names at all (at least, not on this box)
16:55<Lumooja>read this:
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16:56<jthomas_sb>Lumooja I *don't* want the names rewritten
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16:58<jthomas_sb>I *want* to to be able to forge the 'from' address, and currently they're being rewritten. This wasn't an issue a week ago before some updates.
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17:03<xorcon>Now, since this works like a charm i've a new problem…
17:04<xorcon>yes, it concerns pear an pecl
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17:10<EmleyMoor>horde3 has stopped working on my system - the page is blank when I call it up. There are warnings in the apache2 error log:
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17:12<Lumooja>i guess you upgraded php
17:12<puck>Hey, can anyone send me a pointer towards any cryptocards where the manufacturers actually support Debian? (Seems they're mostly RHEL or SLES)
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17:13<Lumooja>nvidia supports debian fully, i just downloaded 64-bit nvidia drivers for geforce 8800 :)
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17:14<Lumooja>physx supports only 32-bit linux so far, but i think it will change
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17:22<EmleyMoor>Lumooja: Not since it last worked, no
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17:23<EmleyMoor>I have already modified horde to work with new php - but only to the extent of changing &new to new where necessary
17:24<EmleyMoor>It worked last night and unless I'm very much mistaken was not upgraded this morning
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17:26<oddtod>Hey guys. I have an Endian firewall. I have set up openVPN on it and can connect with windows just fine with a cacert.pem and .ovpn file. I am trying to get debian to connect to the vpn also but I can't figure out what to put in the command line. i am using "opevnvpn --remote X.X.X.X 1194 --dev tap --ca /home/~" i'm not sure how to add a tap to my system though.
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17:36<apinski> is causing an infinite mail loop between GCC's bugzilla and debian bug database
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17:36<Lumooja> mknod /dev/net/tun c 10 200
17:36<Lumooja> modprobe tun
17:37<Lumooja>that is basic tap setup
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18:31<cozminsky>anyone know why I'd get WWW-Authenticate: Digest:realm="foo"\nnonce="... from a tomcat server when sending a reply via ajp?
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18:41<rah>pulse audio has suddenly appeared on my computer, taking over control of my volume levels, preventing me from modifying them and generally asserting itself where it's very far from welcome
18:41<@Ganneff>apptitude why it and find out
18:41<amphi>the curse of the shuttled one!
18:41<cozminsky>It was installed as a recommends
18:42<rah>cozminsky: recommend isn't installed by default is it?
18:42<@Ganneff>yes it is
18:42<@Ganneff>unless you turn it off
18:42<cozminsky>depends on your settings in apt
18:43<rah>cozminsky: but those settings have defaults, right?
18:43<@Ganneff>which is "ON"
18:43<cozminsky>the defaults are to install recommends
18:44<cozminsky>used to be only in aptitude that it was on by default
18:44<rah>i pulseaudio-module-x11 Depends pulseaudio
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18:44<cozminsky>but now it is both
18:44<rah>i pulseaudio Recommends pulseaudio-module-x11
18:44<Knirch_>hmm, did something change in X recently that affects Mod[1-4] keys?
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18:47<cozminsky>Configuration Item: APT::Install-Recommends
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18:49<crazyb0y>i've got an error while dist-upgrade squeeze
18:49<rah>cozminsky: when did this change?
18:49<rah>cozminsky: the default?
18:50<abrotman>crazyb0y: it's telling you to reinstall mysql-server-5.1
18:50<cozminsky>not sure, but it was some time after lenny
18:50<crazyb0y>abrotman: how can i do this
18:50<abrotman>aptitude reinstall mysql-server-5.1
18:50<crazyb0y>abrotman: is it safe ?
18:51*rah wonders what else has been installed that he didn't want
18:51<cozminsky>crazyb0y, dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/... if aptitude doesn't want to play nice because the package state is too b0rked
18:51<crazyb0y>moris:/home/antov# aptitude reinstall mysql-server-5.1
18:51<crazyb0y>Reading package lists... Done
18:51<crazyb0y>Building dependency tree
18:51<crazyb0y>Reading state information... Done
18:51<crazyb0y>Reading extended state information... Done
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18:51<crazyb0y>for that
18:51<crazyb0y>wrong window =(
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18:56<crazyb0y>i tried to install from archive
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18:58<dpkg> is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces the old site that is no longer maintained.
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19:00<cozminsky>crazyb0y, the ... was shorthand for the deb of the last installed mysql package you downloaded
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19:00<crazyb0y>cozminsky: is there any way to repair this ?
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19:01<abrotman>crazyb0y: use the URL above, get the version you have, reinstlal it
19:02<crazyb0y>abrotman: i don't know how to reinstall it
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19:02<abrotman>crazyb0y: dpkg -i
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19:03<crazyb0y>i tried to dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/mysql-server_5.1.49-2_all.deb with no success
19:04<abrotman>crazyb0y: dpkg -l mysql-server-* .. whihc versions are installed?
19:05<abrotman>so you need to find a package for 5.1.45-1 from
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19:08<abrotman>can you start mysql ?
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19:08<crazyb0y>abrotman: it is started
19:09<abrotman>if stop and start failed .. i can't see how it's running
19:10<abrotman>and if you /etc/init.d/mysql-server stop ?
19:10<crazyb0y>abrotman: it can't stop
19:10<abrotman>that's what it said!
19:10<crazyb0y>yeah i want to fix this, but dunno how
19:11<crazyb0y>it appears when i tried to aptitude safe-upgrade
19:11<cozminsky>nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to make sure
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19:11<cozminsky>i.e. kill -9 2288 2402
19:11<abrotman>crazyb0y: why won't it stop ?
19:11<abrotman>cozminsky: that won't really help
19:12<crazyb0y>abrotman: don't know =(
19:12<abrotman>crazyb0y: no errors?
19:12<crazyb0y>i have to manually start/stop it
19:12<crazyb0y>abrotman: no, just says failed
19:12<crazyb0y>if i start it manually, everything is ok
19:12<crazyb0y>it appeared when i changed from stable to testing =(
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19:13<cozminsky>the safe upgrade stuff is converting table structure on disk to the new format
19:13<abrotman>that doesn't explain why it can't stop
19:14<cozminsky>no, but if you do stop it just sends a TERM signal
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19:14<cozminsky>if mysql traps it and says I don't want to shut down because task xyz is running
19:15<crazyb0y>cozminsky: it's a bug
19:15<abrotman>crazyb0y: edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server-5.1.prerm .. put an exit 0 after the shebang and kill mysql, then try again
19:16<crazyb0y>after shebang ?
19:16<dpkg>it has been said that # is HASH DAMMIT, HASH! NO! OCTOTHORPE!
19:16<abrotman>the line after that
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19:18<cozminsky>you can't type #!
19:18<crazyb0y>abrotman: again failed
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19:18<abrotman>post the prerm file and the error output
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19:19<abrotman>do you have data in mysql you want ?>
19:19<crazyb0y>abrotman: yes i have a lot of data in mysql
19:19<abrotman>and if you do the dpkg -i again ... it still errors?
19:20<jordanm>that you have backups of, right?
19:20*abrotman is about to say --force-reinstreq
19:20<cozminsky>you might have to run mysqlcheck on all the tables
19:20<cozminsky>if they weren't all upgraded thanks to this mess
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19:21<cozminsky>we had a lot of problems upgrading our mysql from sarge -> etch -> lenny
19:22<jordanm>so you went another step to squeeze?
19:22<cozminsky>especially when the my.cnf didn't have datadir = /var/lib/mysql
19:22<abrotman>jordanm: wrong person
19:22<cozminsky>then you'd be running a find from / for all .MYI files
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19:23<abrotman>crazyb0y: you could comment out the start/stop lines .. and install it ..
19:23<cozminsky>but these were from hosts first installed on woody, maybe potato
19:23<abrotman>oh wait .. it's already exit 0
19:23<abrotman>crazyb0y: did you kill mysql afyter you put the exit 0 in there ?
19:24<crazyb0y>i have to do mysqlcheck -u root -p --auto-repair --check --optimize --all-databases
19:24<crazyb0y>abrotman: yes i did a mysqladmin -p shutdown
19:24<abrotman>did it actually shut down ?
19:24<crazyb0y>abrotman: yes
19:24<themill>is there anything in the logs that says why mysql doesn't start?
19:24<crazyb0y>let me show you
19:24<abrotman>themill: i have my theories :)
19:25<themill>there are some skip-bdb or similar options that are incompatible from 5.0 to 5.1 that usually cause this problem
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19:27<crazyb0y>cozminsky: do i have to check all the databases ? and repair them ?
19:28<cozminsky>I'd recommend it
19:29<crazyb0y>ok but is it safe ?
19:29<crazyb0y>i will do --auto-repair --optimize is it ok ?
19:29<crazyb0y>mysqlcheck -u root -p --auto-repair --check --optimize --all-databases
19:29<cozminsky>I think it should be okay
19:29<crazyb0y>cozminsky: ok i will do it now
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19:30<crazyb0y>cozminsky: done =)
19:31<crazyb0y>but again fail with dpkg -i
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19:33<crazyb0y>ok there's no solution about my problem
19:34<crazyb0y>i will wait for new updates =(
19:34<themill>crazyb0y: did you look in log files to find out why mysql won't start?
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19:35<crazyb0y>themill: there are no errors
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19:35<crazyb0y>mysql starts when i start it with mysqld_safe and shutdown with mysqladmin -p shutdown
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19:36<crazyb0y>if i use the init.d script it failt
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19:38<crazyb0y>themill: i think it's a bug
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19:39<themill>crazyb0y: you're not actually installing the current mysql-server package from squeeze in any case, so you might want to fix that
19:39<crazyb0y>themill: i want to be up-to-date
19:39<crazyb0y>how can i install the latest ?
19:40<crazyb0y>i just want to be up-to-date
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19:41<themill>it's a bit late now... but you really should be using stable (lenny).
19:41<crazyb0y>themill: yes i know, but i changed the sources.lst to squeeze
19:41<crazyb0y>and now i can't safe-upgrade =(
19:41<crazyb0y>is there anyway to get back
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19:42<themill>no. only to reinstall. If you want to keep going with squeeze then an "aptitude update" should get you mysql 5.1.49-2
19:43<crazyb0y>themill: no it fails =(
19:43<themill>what fails? (pastebin!)
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19:46<crazyb0y>themill: wait a sec, i'm generating pastebin
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19:46<cozminsky>themill, the problem is that the version he has is half installed, so when he goes to install the new version it's breaking
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19:48<themill>that shouldn't prevent "aptitude update" working
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19:48<cozminsky>it's not, it's preventing apt-get install mysql-server5.1
19:49<themill>cozminsky: indeed. I can see that now. But crazyb0y told me 5 minutes ago that "aptitude update" fails...
19:49<cozminsky>think he meant upgrade
19:49<crazyb0y>yes sorry =*
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19:51<themill>crazyb0y: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy mysql-server-5.1 mysql-server-core-5.1" for me?
19:51<crazyb0y>themill: sure
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19:53<themill>crazyb0y: ok, so now that apt knows about these newer versions of mysql, let's try "aptitude install mysql-server-5.1 mysql-server-core-5.1" and see if that sorts things out. If it doesn't then we'll have to manually install those two packages with dpkg -i.
19:54<abrotman>did you figure out why it wouldn't start?
19:54<themill>abrotman: it's not installed
19:54<themill>init script is in mysql-server and binary is in mysql-server-core
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19:55<crazyb0y>themill: manually i can start mysql with mysqld_safe and stop it with mysqladmin -p shutdown
19:55<themill>yeah, that's leftover cruft from mysql 5.0 probably
19:57<crazyb0y>themill: with aptitude it fails so i have to download 5.1 manual and try with dpkg -i ?
19:57<themill>crazyb0y: try installing the mysql-server-core-5.1 package manually with: dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/mysql-server-core-5.1_5.1.49-2_i386.deb
19:57<crazyb0y>themill: i tried before
19:57<crazyb0y>just a second
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19:59<crazyb0y>themill: is there anyway to repair this annoying problem =(
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20:12<crazyb0y>themill: thanks i will wait for new updates to see if it will be possible to upgrade my squeeze
20:12<themill>crazyb0y: no, you need to solve this problem before you can do anything with apt at all.
20:12<crazyb0y>themill: yes but i don't know how =(
20:13<themill>crazyb0y: at this stage, let's be brutal. dpkg --force-remove-reinstreq -r mysql-server-5.1
20:13<crazyb0y>themill: i have a lot of data in my mysql, is it safe to do that ?
20:14<themill>by default, the mysql packages won't get rid of data when you remove them (but they give the option to do that when you install them). But you of course have backups of /var/liub/mysql, right?
20:16<crazyb0y>themill: daily backups
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20:22<crazyb0y>themill: is there any other way to reinstall/remove this package ?
20:24<themill>crazyb0y: you're going to need to convince the init script to not fail to get this to work. Add "exit 0" to the second line of the script and try removing it again.
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20:24<crazyb0y>themill: to /etc/init.d/mysqld ?
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20:25<crazyb0y>it's removed i think
20:26<crazyb0y>themill: but mysqld is still running
20:26<themill>ok. So remove that "exit 0" from the init script and then use aptitude to install the package again. You can probably just kill that mysqld that's still running. It should shutdown semi-gracefully when you give it a polite kick
20:27<crazyb0y>themill: with aptitude install mysql-server5.1 ?
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20:28<themill>mysql-server-5.1 (extra dash)
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20:32<themill>crazyb0y: time to poke around in log files again to find out why it didn't start properly. There will an error message somewhere...
20:33<crazyb0y>there's nothing in the logs =(
20:34<crazyb0y>only in syslog
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20:34<themill>crazyb0y: do you have another mysql still running?
20:35<crazyb0y>this is from the beginning
20:37<abrotman>did you try the force-remove-reinstreq ?
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20:39<themill>abrotman: yeah, removal was successful, still choked on installation though:
20:39<crazyb0y>it starts correct with mysqld_safe
20:40<themill>« [ERROR] Can't open shared library '' (errno: 0 /usr/lib/mysql/plugin/ cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)» is a new one on me
20:41<themill>crazyb0y: does it take a really long time to start up?
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20:41<crazyb0y>it starts fast
20:42<crazyb0y>and everything works
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20:43<abrotman>set -x in the init script ?
20:43<crazyb0y>abrotman: chmod -x /etc/init.d/mysql ?
20:43<themill>crazyb0y: have you previously modified the init script at all?
20:43<crazyb0y>themill: no
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20:44<abrotman>see, this is why you sohuld use pgsql! :)
20:44<themill>crazyb0y: what does "md5sum /etc/init.d/mysql" say?
20:44<crazyb0y>themill: 92d23340eed8a2a57f5551facd5b5300 /etc/init.d/mysql
20:45<themill>hmm... that's the current one from squeeze at least.
20:47<crazyb0y>themill: maybe i should reinstall everything and get back to lenny?
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20:52<abrotman>crazyb0y: wait, and currently you don't have mysql-server-5.1 installed at all ?
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20:53<crazyb0y>abrotman: i have currently installed mysql and it's running
20:53<abrotman>can you remove it?
20:54<crazyb0y>abrotman: with dpkg --force-remove-reinstreq -r mysql-server-5.1 ?
20:55<crazyb0y>after i write exit 0 in /etc/init.d/mysql yes
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20:57<crazyb0y>done it's removed
20:57<abrotman>and if you now install it?
20:57<abrotman>aptitude update && aptitude install mysql-server-5.1 ?
20:57<crazyb0y>abrotman: just aptitude install mysql-server ?
20:58<crazyb0y>just a second
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21:00<abrotman>shouldn't take that long ..
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21:01<abrotman>i'm confused?
21:01<abrotman>oh wait .. take the exit 0 out of the init script .. make sure it starts
21:02<crazyb0y>Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed!
21:02<crazyb0y>no it fails
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21:02<crazyb0y>it starts, but init.d says it fails
21:02<abrotman>but if you start it outside the init script ?
21:03<crazyb0y>abrotman: i started it with /etc/init.d/mysql start , it says it fails, but the daemon started successfull
21:05<abrotman>that's interesting
21:06<abrotman>dare i ask if we want to attempt a reboot to see what happens?
21:06<crazyb0y>abrotman: i tried it before
21:06<crazyb0y>nothing happens
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21:07<abrotman>nothing happens? or nothing bad happens?
21:07<crazyb0y>i have read there is something about innodb in my.cnf
21:08<crazyb0y>abrotman: nothing bad and nothing happens =) it still fails and it still be possible to run with mysqld_safe
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21:11<koollman>crazyb0y: sh -x /etc/init.d/mysql start . (will get you more detail about what's running). you may just have invalid access in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf, which will fail the init script,leaving mysql running anyway
21:11<abrotman>do you use innodb ?
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21:14<abrotman>see if koollman's suggestion yields anything useful
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21:15<koollman>so, connection refused
21:16<koollman>crazyb0y: run mysqld_safe, and try to connect with : mysql --defaults-file=/etc/mysql/debian.cnf
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21:18<crazyb0y>koollman: thank you god!
21:18<crazyb0y>there was an error in debian.cnf
21:18*koollman goes back to sleep :)
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21:22<crazyb0y>abrotman: thank you a lot too
21:22<abrotman>crazyb0y: i didn't do much :)
21:22<crazyb0y>themill thank you a lot too
21:22<crazyb0y>Starting MySQL database server: mysqld.
21:22<crazyb0y>Checking for corrupt, not cleanly closed and upgrade needing tables..
21:22<crazyb0y>is it a problem ?
21:22<abrotman>crazyb0y: you might want to file a bug .. or something if you can reproduce it ..
21:22<cozminsky>nope, happens on start every time
21:23<crazyb0y>abrotman: it's really a bug
21:23<crazyb0y>cozminsky: thank you a lot too
21:23<abrotman>judd: file usr/lib/mysql/plugin/ --release squeeze
21:23<judd>No packages were found with that file.
21:23<abrotman>dpkg: find usr/lib/mysql/plugin/
21:23<cozminsky>I was at lunch a long time
21:23<crazyb0y>let me see if safe-upgrade success now
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21:23<crazyb0y>yes what is =)
21:24<abrotman>NFC .. but the bot is lsowly looking
21:24<abrotman>apt-file doesn't know about it here
21:24<crazyb0y>oh i have't seen it safe-upgrade a long time ago
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21:24<abrotman>you should probably do a full-upgrade too
21:25<crazyb0y>after safe-upgade ?
21:25<abrotman>you might want to ..
21:25<abrotman>see whta else it wants to upgrade
21:25<crazyb0y>i really love backports instead of testing now =))
21:25<dpkg>Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'usr/lib/mysql/plugin/' returned no results.
21:25<cozminsky>google search seems to indicate it might be something to do with snort maybe?
21:25<soloflyer>crazyb0y: backports rocks :)
21:26<crazyb0y>soloflyer: yes tell it to my stupid head =(
21:27<crazyb0y>lol lots of things upgraded
21:27<cozminsky>nope, snort was a dead end
21:27<cozminsky>thinks it's
21:28<crazyb0y>i really love debian!!!
21:28<cozminsky>although that is ancient
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21:31<crazyb0y>i'm scarry to reboot =P
21:31<cozminsky>you'll be fine
21:32<crazyb0y>tomorrow after sleep =) i will try
21:32<cozminsky>if you can do /etc/init.d/mysql (start|stop)
21:32<crazyb0y>here is: 04:27am
21:32<cozminsky>It's 1:30pm here
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21:33*abrotman feels stuck in the middle
21:33<crazyb0y>stop doesn't work, it says fails, but it really stopping it =) start works correctly with no fails
21:34<crazyb0y>cozminsky: where are you living ?
21:35<crazyb0y>great =)
21:35<crazyb0y>i'm in country wich you never heard about =)
21:35<cozminsky>I'm sure I have
21:35<crazyb0y>you know where is Bulgaria ? =)
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21:36<cozminsky>I think Africa is probably my sketchiest continent
21:36<cozminsky>in terms of geographical knowledge
21:37<crazyb0y>cozminsky: i'm in Europe =P
21:37<cozminsky>yeah, I know, which isn't Africa
21:37<crazyb0y>good night all
21:37<crazyb0y>and thanks really for the help
21:37<crazyb0y>i appriciate it
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21:41<fox>I install some gstreamer decoder ,the totemplayer can't restart,uninstall the decoder the error also
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21:43<fox>somebody meet this error
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21:46*Nemoder recommends just using vlc instead
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21:57<cozminsky>totem most annoying, I'm always annoyed when something drags in totem mozilla plugins
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22:17<cozminsky>so anyone know if Thibaut VARENE is very active at the moment?
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22:22<bremner>cozminsky: some particular package bugging you?
22:23<cozminsky>it doesn't bother me too much, I just edited the source and recompiled
22:23<cozminsky>but someone else trying to compile the exact same project ran into the same problem
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22:23<cozminsky>he's not putting the pkg-config file in the dev package
22:24<bremner>yes, I see the bug. It is a wishlist bug. You might think about attaching a patch if you want to encourage progress.
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22:26<cozminsky>yeah, i guess I could do that
22:28<cozminsky>although it's a 1 line change that should be pretty obvious from the bug report
22:28<simy>Hello, I just setup a debian stable release with LUKS and a PS2 keyboard. I moved the station to its new home with a USB keyboard and I cant enter the password, grub works with it, and it works after that too, but I cannot use the USB keyboard to enter the LUKS password
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22:29<simy>according to this ( I need to enter usbcore and usbhid to the "hooks" but I have no mkinitcpio.conf I can edit /mnt/etc/initramfs-tools/modules but it is blank.
22:29<cozminsky>is module for usb keyboard in the initrd image?
22:29<simy>I'm going to have to say no cozminsky
22:29<simy>My issue is how to fix it! =O
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22:30<simy>I have since upgraded to testing release...
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22:30<simy>will it auto detect my USB keyboard, or do I need to tell it to include that?
22:31<dualMoon>question: i'm being forced to use debian etch. byobu/screen-profiles isn't in the repos. has anyone successfully install byobu on etch?
22:31<cozminsky>in /etc/initramfs-tools there is an option called MODULES
22:32<cozminsky>is it on most?
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22:33<simy>cozminsky, yes, but it has nothing uncommented, this is why im confused...
22:33<simy>I know it needs at least 3 modules for the LUKS/LVM and IDE, but they are not listed
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22:34<cozminsky>dualMoon, the debhelper >=6 is going to suck majorly
22:35<cozminsky>simy, check what's in your actual initrd with cpio with > zcat /boot/initrd.img-$(uname -r) | cpio -i
22:36<cozminsky>or equivalent if you're using a different kernel
22:36<cozminsky>than the one you're booted with
22:36<simy>i got premature end of archive, need to specify one of the -oipt options
22:36<cozminsky>cpio -i right?
22:37<simy>SDT:~# zcat /boot/initrd.img-$(uname -r) | cpio -i
22:37<simy>15379 blocks
22:37<simy>SDT:~# cpio with > zcat /boot/initrd.img-$(uname -r) | cpio -i
22:37<simy>cpio: premature end of archive
22:37<simy>cpio: You must specify one of -oipt options.
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22:37<simy>sorry, I didnt thing it was that long :(
22:37<cozminsky>sorry, the command was just zcat /boot/initrd.img-$(uname -r) | cpio -i
22:38<simy>wow thats alot
22:38<cozminsky>yeah, it's enought to boot the os and load any module it needs
22:39<simy>is there a tutorial that you know of that will tell me how to fix this, because I'm confused at what to do.
22:39<simy>I know I need to add a module, but im not sure how to append what it has, etc.
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22:39<cozminsky>dunno if there is a tutorial
22:40<cozminsky>but that command has just extracted the whole initrd into the directory you're in
22:40<simy>is there a way to add a module or two?
22:40<cozminsky>if you go to cwd/lib/modules/... and dump them there
22:41<simy>copy them from where something like linux$uname -4/lib/modules ?
22:41<cozminsky>yeah, /lib/modules/$(uname -r)
22:43<simy>I dont see usb anything
22:44<simy>is there a way to have debian rebuild it for me with the usb keyboard attached?
22:45<simy>I'm just a user... This is the downside of Linux, I'm not technologically excersized anymore, with Windows, I got an hourly workout...
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22:46<simy>Will that command scan what HW I have attached and use that to build the modules with?
22:46<cozminsky>windows is just as evil when it breaks
22:46<cozminsky>I'm really surprised that the keyboard isn't working
22:46<simy>cozminsky, yes, but with windows it broke so often I got good at fixing it... Stupid linux hasnt broken in over 5 years, so I forgot how to install it, much less configure issues, lol
22:47<simy>it works, before and after I enter the pasword, just not FOR entering the pasword
22:47<simy>it asked me if i wanted a really big intramfs with everything, or a leaner version, i choose leaner..
22:48*simy slaps himself with a trout
22:48<cozminsky>yeah, just go with the big one, unless you have less than 10 meg of disk space and no ram
22:48<simy>can I go back to that? it was during the install...
22:48<simy>I know theres a command to run, but will it let me rebuild that?
22:48<cozminsky>so the /etc/initramfs-tools might have that
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22:49<cozminsky>and it is update-initramfs -k $(uname -r)
22:50<cozminsky>but if you have your target image on /mnt
22:50<cozminsky>you might want to go into a chroot
22:50<simy>should I add usbcore uhci_hcd ehci_hcd hid and usbhid in modules before i run that?
22:50<simy>I'm logged into that machine right now, i just got the old PS2 keyboard with the sticking keys back, lol
22:51<cozminsky>I don't think initramfs pays attention to modules much anymore, but it certainly won't hurt
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22:53<simy>I need to create, update or remove an exiting intram (-c -u or -d)
22:53<simy>so I'm assume update?
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22:55<simy>there now I'm on my netbook too, for rebooting
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22:55<simy>ok i did -u for update, and am rebooting
22:56<simy>it worked :)
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23:00<simy>Now onto that nvidia issue :)
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23:05<cozminsky>that stuff is pretty good these days in my experience
23:06<simy>what stuff, nvidia?
23:06<simy>I have not used a non integrated intel video card in over 10 years I think... :/
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23:07<simy>hmmm now its locking up...
23:07<simy>I just bought this used, and I think it hates me, lol
23:07<cozminsky>if you have the nvidia-kernel-dkms and the kernel headers for your kernel it just works
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23:08<simy>when it WAS getting into the system, and i tried to use the nvidia driver it said I had a mismatch
23:08<simy>I removed /etc/X11/xorg.config to allow it to do its own thing and work for now...
23:09<cozminsky>yeah, with nv or something
23:09<simy>I think its using the nv driver by default, but I want the performance of the nonfree one
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23:10<cozminsky>yeah, if you have the nvidia non-free stuff set up correctly you should have /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/updates/dkms/nvidia.ko
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23:11<simy>doing update && upgrade before I start to worry :)
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23:13<simy>did nvidia-xconfig and am restarting xserver
23:13<cozminsky>ick, that's nast stuff
23:13<cozminsky>it doesn't know what it's doing
23:13<cozminsky>well, it generates a config from 10 years ago
23:13<simy>ok, ill re-remove nvidias config file...
23:14<simy>Hmm, I'm getting random lockups for a few seconds at a time...
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23:14<cozminsky>all you need to do is change the video device section to Driver "nvidia"
23:15<simy>its locked up :(
23:16<cozminsky>how old is the video card?
23:16<simy>I think its a 7800 series
23:16<simy>so 2-4 years old?
23:16*simy is guessing
23:17<EmleyMoor>Is there anything either in Debian or on a CD that can perform thorough diagnostics on an Intel 5100 wireless card?
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23:19<simy>how through are you talking about EmleyMoor?
23:19<simy>The most thorough would be to have a gizmo that can test each IC individually, as well as the impedence/reactance of every circiut
23:20<cozminsky>I think the 7800 is supported from the Readme in /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx
23:20<EmleyMoor>simy: Thorough enough to determine whether the trouble I'm having is interference or the card/aerial
23:21*simy is a ham
23:21<simy>maybe I Can help? whats the nature of the problems?
23:21<EmleyMoor>Difficult to associate and/or stay associated with my home network.
23:22<simy>have you tried connecting very close to your ap
23:23<EmleyMoor>No - but I was thinking that might help. On the other had another machine seems to work, though available speed is a bit limited
23:23<simy>Its a GeForce 7950GT
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23:24<simy>where is the problem machine located in relation to the non problematic one?
23:24<EmleyMoor>Same positions tried
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23:25<EmleyMoor>Oddly, I used to have a machine with a different card - that couldn't get a stable connection in the same room as the AP but was fine elsewhere
23:26<simy>you may have weird RF propaganda, but I doubt it.
23:26<simy>are you sure the drivers are stable?
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23:26<EmleyMoor>Depends on what would constitute "stable"
23:28<EmleyMoor>If anything, the performance has dropped since I installed testing
23:28<simy>do you dual boot?
23:28<simy>can you use that card in another computer?
23:29<EmleyMoor>(it may actually be the same as the one in the other laptop but I have no permission to touch that one
23:29<simy>It just sounds to me like bad driver support
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23:29<simy>I've had the same issues with a wifi card before I got better drivers
23:30<EmleyMoor>Why has it gone bad in testing?
23:30<simy>I ended up using that wrapper with the windows driver and it mostly worked better
23:30<simy>Its just an assumption EmleyMoor, it may or may not be true but its where I'm leaning at the moment.
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23:37<cozminsky>love today
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23:38<simy>I'm reading the step by step way to install nvidia drivers..
23:38<simy>I'm thinking I missed a step... or two :P
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23:44<simy>pretty pretty gears spinning at 16k fps in windowed and at 3.6k fps in fullscreen
23:44<simy>looks better then my netbook can do, so I'm happy =)
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23:48<EmleyMoor>Results of a wlan scan are odd - sometimes nothing, sometimes only APs not mine...
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23:49<EmleyMoor>Very often nothing, actually
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