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---Logopened Fri Nov 12 00:00:00 2010
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01:11<Lantizia>hey if I've downloaded orig.tar.gz/debian.tar.gz/.dsc files for a source package in to a directory... does anyone know the command to issue to build the binaries?
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01:13<oddtod>jm_ heya
01:14<jm_>oddtod: 'lo
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01:20<qq->!package recompile
01:20<dpkg>1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <apt-get source>.
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01:20<Lantizia>qq-, this is not from apt
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01:24<qq->you means, not from debian repository ?
01:24<jm_>man dpkg-source debuild
01:28<Lantizia>is there a dpkg equivalent for build-dep too?
01:29<Lantizia>i see dpkg-checkbuilddeps
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01:41<jm_>it tells you which dependencies are issing
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02:17<cozminsky>hi, have a weird thing with /etc/cron.daily/apt
02:19<cozminsky>I've defined APT::Update::Post-Invoke-Success to call a script
02:20<cozminsky>but it seems that when the cron job runs from /etc/cron.daily/apt my script is not getting called
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03:28<ShockStar>Is anyone arround here?
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04:19<chris__>Bonjour à tous
04:19<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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04:20<twb>Where can I find the list of udebs that are anna-installable?
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04:21<twb>I want to scp a tarball from a rescue/enable=true runtime, but the network-console udeb doesn't allow you to run arbitrary commands from ssh, i.e. scp and friends won't work
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04:25<twb>nm, got it with nc
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05:26<rhlee1>hi guys, is there anywhere i can find Signum?
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05:28<blocktree>E: Unable to locate package loop-aes-modules-2.6-486 - live-helper bug on squeeze? aes256 used to work perfectly on lenny ..
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05:33<mixalis>Hi, is there any good firewall with gui expect firestarter?
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05:37<philipjrp>Hey Guys :)
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05:38<philipjrp>Cant you use something like webmin to configure firewalls?
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05:38<philipjrp>not sure if it doees it like
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05:57<terang>Is there anyone that is familiar with git-buildpackage here?
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06:01<mjt>what's up terang?
06:02<terang>This actually might be more a simple git question but when using git-buildpackage --git-ignore-new, I get an invalid object name upstream/$version . Is that just that my upstream repo is not named properly? (I'm not very familiar with git as it is)
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06:05<mjt>that $version - is it literal '$version' or actually your version string?
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06:05<terang>It's a version string in fact, 1.0.0
06:06<mjt>ok, because that made me think what might be wrong with the script ;)
06:06<mjt>see --git-upstream-branch option
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06:07<mjt>it is trying to create .orig.tar.gz for you
06:08<mjt>if that does not exist, it tries to extract it from branch named "upstream"
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06:08<pr0mised>hello! i'm learning about debian and apache, i was create the directory /home/web/ and the user lerry have this web site /home/web/ i put this directory in your /etc/passwd "lerry:x:1001:1001:,,,:/home/web/" but if this user use cd /home he can see all others web sites, how can i change for this user don't get access /home/ or /home/web/
06:09<mjt>pr0mised: i guess your user will be able to see using http anyway :)
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06:10<terang>mjt: I see, so for clarification on my ened. when specifying --git-upstream-branch is it the branch that you're building in like: git_repo/helloworld. (totally sorry for newb questions)
06:10<pr0mised>mjt: don't it http is enter in directory.
06:12<mjt>terang: most debian packages are made of two parts. one is upstream source and another is debian-specific modifications. Like e.g. you've gcc-1.2.3.tar.gz downloaded from - this is upstream source. On top of that, you add debian-specific stuff.
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06:12<pr0mised>mjt: for example we have two users mjt and pr0mised your sites is located on /home/web/ and my is /home/web/ but if i'm logged with pr0mised and i try cd /home/web/ a get! how can i make for the user pr0mised don't get access on your website directory?
06:13<mjt>terang: upstream branch for git-buildpackage is a separate branch in git tree where you store the original upstream sources
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06:13<mjt>pr0mised: i can open in my browswe, that's what i mean
06:14<terang>Gotcha. For me specifically, in this instance, I'm just creating a package with git-buildpackage. So I have the local source already there and added it via git-import-orig
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06:14<pr0mised>mjt: i guess that you are don't understanding.
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06:15<pr0mised>mjt: i know that you can acess in your browser, but you can access my /home/web/ too, for example.. see my .bash_history.
06:15<mjt>pr0mised: no it's you who don't understand ;) What's the reason to hide the directory on the server if the whole website is open.
06:16<mjt>pr0mised: the .bash_history can't be read by another user
06:16<terang>mjt: Hiding other content that isn't web accessible
06:16<terang>eg; /home/user/ <--- .htaccess in pron with Deny from
06:17<mjt>terang: i wanted pr0mised to tell that, actually :)
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06:17<terang>Oopz >.<
06:17<terang>I like to ruin parties!
06:17<mjt>the key thing there is that there may be some files which are internal-only
06:18<mjt>which aren't accessible from outside
06:18<mjt>and .bash_history is one such example, but it isn't a good one
06:18<terang>bin/sh ftw?
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06:18<pr0mised>mtj: oh shit!
06:18<mjt>because it can't be read by the web server too, even if it's in web-accessible directory
06:19<mjt>in any way, what we need here are permissions
06:19<mjt>and it's actually not exactly trivial to achieve
06:20<mjt>(not difficult either)
06:20<mjt>you need all necessary files to be readable (and some writable) by the web server which is running as different user (www-data)
06:20<mjt>but not accessible by other users
06:21<mjt>why .bash_history isn't a good example - it isn't accessible to www-data too, only to the owner)
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06:23<mjt>there are two solutions to this, and neither are for newbies. a) change group of both dirs and all files to www-data and make all dirs setgid, but don't add users to that group. This way, all new files will be created as group www-data and owner can control www-server access using chmod g±rw
06:24<mjt>and b) use acls
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06:24<mjt>I wont go into further details
06:24<terang>I was gonna suggest acls with users being in independent groups as well.
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06:25<mjt>why i asked my first question - why to hide if it's open anyway from the web - the OP has to actually understand at least this difference and understand what exactly do he want.
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06:26<mjt>terang: see now? :)
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06:26<terang>I see nothing sir!
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06:29<mjt>terang: speaking of git-buildpackage. when you used git-import-orig, are you sure it created the 'upstream' branch?
06:29<terang>Absolutely not
06:30<mjt>i don't not actually know if it ever does
06:30<mjt>i always created them manually - probably there are easier ways but i never bothered looking
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06:31<mjt>what it usually looks like - you create upstream and master branches in git, use git-import-orig to populate upstream and work in master
06:32<mjt>you can just put .orig.tar.gz into parent dir so that git-buildpackage wont try to create it
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06:34<terang>Well that's the issue is that I'm trying to build the package with git-buildpackage without having the upstream orig file. but git-import-orig does create the orig file
06:36<terang>I guess where I'm most confused is that I have my local repo like /home/git/repo and I have the new package in /home/git/repo/package; my remote repository has the branch named "master" (at least according to refs/head)
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06:39<mjt>git-buildpackage &Co works on local branches
06:39<mjt>master on remote becomes remote/master locally
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06:43<terang>So I should be using something like --git-upstream-branch=remote/master
06:43<terang> ?? God I hate git :(
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06:44<mjt>git checkout -b upstream remote/master
06:45<mjt>it has to be local
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06:45<bremner>or, you could read the git-buildpackage docs, which walk through several scenarios for getting started.
06:45<bremner>just sayin' :)
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06:46<terang>It's not like I haven't :)
06:46*mjt hadn't read the docs about git-buildpackage, to his shame, even after much usage...
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06:46<mjt>git is actually a very nice tool, it just requires some care
06:47<bremner>#git on freenode is a _very_ helpful channel for git newb's
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06:48<mjt>we moved everything into git locally. Well, almost - some are in svn due to its support in various *DE and due to ability to lock objects from concurrent modifications.
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06:48<terang>I've been putting off learning git for 2 years.
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07:38<luca_>hi, i've just installed fresh squeeze netinst; by default recommended and suggested packets are installed? do i need to create /etc/apt/apt.conf with APT::Install-Recommends "0"...?
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07:51<Aleric>Does anyone have a good working PCIe card that provides extra SATA ports? I need to buy one, but don't know which :/
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08:46<vook>I seek advice on the safety of Livestation in Linux (or period). In the past I have felt that something was in control of the computer.
08:46<amphi>it's alive? ;)
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08:47<vook>I dunno, I just don't know if I should trust it, and I seek guidance.
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08:49<amphi>I don't know what it is, and it doesn't appear to be in debian, so this may not be the place to ask. #linuxhelp on freenode might be better
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08:50<babilen>and given that it is proprietary software you can never be sure what it is really doing
08:50<amphi>eeww ;)
08:50<vook>yep, creepy
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08:54<Aleric>My God, I Googled for a while and seems that trying to install a PCIe SATA port card on linux is a pure nightmare!
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08:55<Aleric>All I want a few extra plugs and associated /dev/s* devices, what can be so hard about that? :/
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09:05<vook>Aleric: have you tapped into it's BIOS?
09:05<Aleric>vook: I didn't even buy anything yet.
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09:06<Aleric>I ran out of SATA plugs... I thought "lets buy some cheap PCIe card" .. but all I can find are horror stories. The only brand that I could find so far that seems to be well supported (my dist comes with the needed kernel module by default, I already have it on my harddisk) is Areca. But their cheapest card is 146 euro.. which is at least 3 times higher than what I anticipated :/
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09:07<Aleric>There are card with the same 'specs' for 25-50 euro :/
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09:09<vook>I have a 3ware Inc 9650SE SATA-II RAID, works very well.
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09:15<Aleric>vook: What kernel module is needed for that card?
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09:17<babilen>Aleric: vook is gone -- But check you might find it in there
09:18<babilen>Aleric: It is "3w-9xxx" -- See "modinfo 3w-9xxx" for more details.
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09:21<Aleric>Lol - ok, but that doesn't help :p .. that card cost 312 euro, again twice as much!!
09:21<babilen>hehe, but its probably a good choice :-þ
09:21<Aleric>Is there really no 50 euro-ish 2 port SATA card that is *supported* on debian? :/
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09:22<Aleric>$100 per SATA port is a but most for me.
09:22<Aleric>bit much*
09:22<babilen>Aleric: No idea -- #hardware or ##linux might have additional ideas.
09:22<babilen>Aleric: I agree
09:22<dba>Aleric: promise tx4; and stop whining, thanks.
09:22<dba>(or tx2 for two ports)
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09:24<Aleric>What does eSATA mean?
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09:34<rpetre>external sata
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09:34<rpetre>the controller presents a not-unlike-usb sata port on the outside
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09:52<Edo_>ich brauche hilfe
09:53<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
09:53<babilen>Edo_: Or speak English in here :)
09:54<devil>Edo_: and also, in, post your question instead of " ich brauche hilfe "
09:54<babilen>… listen to the devil!
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10:05<pavi>dpkg, mint
10:05<dpkg>Linux Mint is a distribution based on <Ubuntu>, which also has a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) available, based on <testing>. Neither is supported in #debian. Please use their forums at or join #linuxmint-help on for support. See also <based on Debian>.
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10:06<pavi>[OT] Mint releases version 10 :)
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10:15<Swat->A good afternoon.
10:15<Swat->Does anyone know if there is a kernel boot parameter to map a usb-stick where we boot from to something else than /dev/sda?
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10:20<catsup># apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.36-trunk-amd64 => The following packages have unmet dependencies: linux-headers-2.6.36-trunk-amd64 : Depends: linux-kbuild-2.6.36 but it is not installable
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10:21<catsup>what's the deal with that? how can i get linux-headers-2.6.36-trunk-amd64 installed so i can build a kernel module?
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10:27<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
10:28<babilen>catsup: ^^^
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10:28<babilen>catsup: And that might happen if you install packages from experimental
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10:28<catsup>eh, well, the problem is just that the dependency isn't in the archive
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10:29<catsup>ofc, linux-headers-2.6.36-trunk-amd64 is in experimental
10:29<catsup>the problem isn't with apt-get
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10:29<catsup>but how do i compensate for the missing package?
10:29<themill>catsup: /msg dpkg experimental; experimental kernels are frequently all the kbuild infrastructure
10:30<catsup>are frequently all?
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10:32<catsup>linux-kbuild-2.6.35 is there
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10:50<s4br3>For Debian Sid, what is the 'best' firewall which offers at least some protection for botnet viruses and the like. 'Best' also includes the usage simplicity aspect :) Thanks for any help!
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10:51<kurumin>boa tarde
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10:52<babilen>s4br3: iptables
10:52<babilen>K0JIbKA: wrong network ;)
10:53<mjt>um. what's a protection about botnet viruses and the like? I wonder how it looks like logically.. ;)
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10:53<K0JIbKA> as for iptables-save. don't know how to use it
10:53<K0JIbKA>babilen: how it was possible to ping it before then?
10:54<babilen>K0JIbKA: You used to be in #debian on, but are now chatting on -- Is this your intention?
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10:54<babilen>K0JIbKA: And you have to execute iptables-save as root, because it is not in your normal users PATH
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10:58<s4br3>someone [I was interrupted and didn't see the name] suggested iptabels. Is it easy to use?
10:58<s4br3>babilen: aaah :)
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10:59<babilen>s4br3: What do you want? iptables is *the* firewall on Linux, but there are several frontends that make configuring it easier.
10:59<babilen>What do you need a firewall for?
10:59<s4br3>babilen: to feel 'safer'? :)
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11:00*smv would recommend shorewall
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11:00<qq->smv, hey
11:01<smv>qq-, salut :)
11:01<babilen>s4br3: You should keep in mind that the best way to ensure that nobody can access services on your computer is not to run them (or restrict access to localhost)
11:01<babilen>s4br3: There are a lot of other things you could do to really secure your system
11:01<babilen>!tell s4br3 -about securing
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11:02<s4br3>I am helping granpa, and he has read about the 'botnet' files that seems to plague MS computers. It appears to be enough with clicking on a jpg
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11:02<s4br3>He never uses the admin password, only I do, every six months or so.
11:02<babilen>s4br3: don't worry about infecting Debian with virii written for MS Windows
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11:03<smv>unless you use wine, which would be afected, i guess
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11:04<s4br3>No, but I could not respond intelligibly on which virii _could_ infect a Debian box. I gues there are some kinds.
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11:05<smv>there are some (less than 10?), not in the wild, i think...
11:05<s4br3>phew. thanks!!!
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11:06<babilen>s4br3: Take a look at -- it provides some information and links to other sources
11:06<babilen>ah, so close ;)
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11:09<smv>erm, acording to that article there are more than 10...
11:09*smv should better shut up next time...
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11:16<Jhon>What time is it?
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11:18<Jhon>¿Hello? What are we doing?
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11:20<icebrain>Jhon: please don't spam. This isn't a chat channel. If you don't have any questions related to Debian, go to #debian-offtopic to talk
11:20<Jhon>What are we doingg?
11:20<Jhon>Go to the shift
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11:26<Jhon>Look at this shifts
11:27<linda>i don understand
11:27<Jhon>k miress esas mierdas jajajaja xd
11:27<Jhon>esos son unos cacas
11:27<linda>algo aisn
11:27<linda>ero es shiff
11:27<dpkg>Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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11:28<Jhon>Necesito ayuda!
11:29<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
11:29<Jhon>What time is it?
11:29<babilen>!ops Jhon
11:29<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: babilen complains about: Jhon
11:29<linda>yor welcome
11:30<zobel>babilen: what's up? why do you wake me up?
11:30<babilen>zobel: Read the backlog -- Spanish kids and our special friend usuario don't find their way to #debian-es-cachondeo
11:32<rah>rah@myrtle:~$ telnet 80
11:32<rah>Trying 2001:470:1f08:80b::2...
11:32<rah>telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection timed out
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11:33<weasel>Connected to
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11:41<RetinaBurn>just got around to installing networking haha
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11:42<RetinaBurn>this is awkward
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11:42<mAniAk->goos for you i guess
11:43<RetinaBurn>yea so what OS are you running?
11:44<mAniAk->and more at work
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11:45<RetinaBurn>ah. im on my crappy IBM T21 with a 10GB harddrive running backtrack 4 (smoothly somehow)
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11:45<RetinaBurn>also watching the price is right
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11:46<mAniAk->im running win7 on a p4 at work D;
11:46<RetinaBurn>nice IRC at work win
11:47<RetinaBurn>but thats not bad for win 7 at work though
11:47<mAniAk->on my way home atm
11:47<mAniAk->but we have our own irc channel at work
11:47<RetinaBurn>oh where do you work
11:47<mAniAk->RetinaBurn: its pirated, with office 2010 and visio
11:48<RetinaBurn>wow thats kinda a risk...
11:48<mAniAk->somewhere in sweden ;)
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11:49<RetinaBurn>mmm... well atleast in america... do they have the DCMA in sweeden I forget
11:49<pr0mised>how can i see if i'm using debian lenny?
11:50<mAniAk->ots not like theyre gonna walk in at work and check licenses
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11:50<RetinaBurn>IDK id think that IT would check for that
11:51<RetinaBurn>unless you are the IT guy. then it shouldnt matter
11:51<mAniAk->i am IT
11:51<icebrain>pr0mised: cat /etc/debian_version
11:52<babilen>yes (older release though)
11:52<RetinaBurn>ah.... then you dont have to worry haha
11:52<RetinaBurn>ubuntu lenny 5.0.3
11:53<pr0mised>yup! i'm a new administrador from this server.. the old admin was dead ;/
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11:53<RetinaBurn>very nice hi
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11:54<pr0mised>what is the latest version?
11:54<RetinaBurn>lolwut i think its 10...
11:54<babilen>pr0mised: Just "aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade" and you should be up-to-date
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11:56<RetinaBurn>its ubuntu 10:10
11:56<icebrain>RetinaBurn: This isn't Ubuntu. Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian
11:56<icebrain>!tell RetinaBurn about Ubuntu
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11:57<RetinaBurn>no he was asking about the newest version of ubuntu
11:57<RetinaBurn>which is 10.10
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11:58<jmarsden>Newest *released* version, or newsest *development* version?
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11:59<icebrain>RetinaBurn: no, he was talking about Lenny, which is Debian, not Ubuntu
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12:00<RetinaBurn>oh my bad :/ i havnt run debian only opensuse ubuntu and backtrack
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12:00<mjt>.msg dpkg backtrack
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12:01<babilen>or "/msg dpkg bt4-magic"
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12:35<oddtod>heya guys
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12:54<mixalis>Hi, is there any way to set boot splash theme on my debian. I am using debian squeeze.
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12:55<Lumooja>anyone got nvidia drivers installed under squeeze? it killed my squeeze, not even runlevel 2 works
12:55<sean>Anyone got experience with setting up a virtualized UEC environment?
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12:57<f8l>mixalis: Try usplash, splashy, or similar.
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12:58<maxxe>is there any good movie maker for linux? i just want to make a simple clip from a skiing event and mix it with some music..
12:58<babilen>Lumooja: pretty easy -- /msg dpkg nvidia
12:59<Lumooja>rosegarden i think
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12:59<babilen>Lumooja: I would either use dkms or m-a
12:59<mixalis>it can not find those packages
12:59<Lumooja>maxxe: ah nm, rosegarden is music maker, not movie maker :)
13:00<Lumooja>babilen: what are dpkg, dkms, m-a supposed to do?
13:00<maxxe>Lumooja: heh ok.. there's probably some movie maker for linux i suppose.. just don't know the name of it that's why i ask :)
13:00<pr0mised>anyone can help me? "Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed!"
13:00<Lumooja>maxxe: yes there is, but i forgot the name... one sec
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13:01<sean>Anyone know how to assign an IP address from a physical router's LAN to a VM (QEMU)?
13:02<Lumooja>maxxe: check out: kdenlive was the one i meant
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13:02<maxxe>Lumooja: thanks gonna check it out
13:03<babilen>!tell Lumooja -about nvidia
13:03<babilen>!tell Lumooja -about nvidia dkms
13:03<babilen>!tell Lumooja -about nvidia m-a
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13:04<babilen>Lumooja: I meant this -- you could have requested them yourself with "/msg dpkg nvidia" and I mentioned m-a and dkms because the "nvidia" factoid mentions them
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13:06<Lumooja>babilen: ok thanks, it seems like enough info to get nvidia installed
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13:15<mixalis>I have add this repo "deb sid main fix.main" to my sources list then I update and I get this message "The following signatures it was not possible they are verified because was not available the public key : NO_PUBKEY 3916C431F80994F6"
13:16<mixalis>what i must do to verifi this repo?
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13:16<mike>mixalis, have a look at apt-key.
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13:19<dpkg>aptosid (formerly sidux) is a live distribution <based on Debian> Sid. It is not supported in #debian. #aptosid on
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13:20<babilen>mixalis: Not the brightest idea to add sidux sources -- but ask them for support. You probably need to install their keyring package or add the key manually with apt-key (as suggested by mike) ... but ask them. This has nothing to do with Debian
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13:24<oddtod>babilen: what is sidux?
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13:25<babilen>oddtod: Read what dpkg said about it ^^^^^
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13:26<oddtod>babilen: what would be the benefit of installing live distro stuff on an install version of debian?
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13:27<babilen>no idea -- bleeding edge versions maybe?
13:27<babilen>(of unknown quality)
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13:27<ompaul>oddtod: if you want to ask what it is you should visit #aptosid sidux is no more and it is 99% debian sid (so don't go mixing it with stable unless you know exactly what you are doing)but to understand it fully you should visit
13:28<oddtod>babilen: thanks just have never heard of it so wanted some info.
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13:31<juergen>any idea why root owns all usb media (usb-keys)?
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13:32<juergen>I can't write to usb-keys any more... 8-(
13:32<mixalis>why splashy package does not exits in squeeze but there is in lenny and sid?
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13:37<juergen>hello? someone? anyone? help? please?
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13:37<cesurasean>Can someone please point me in the direction of fixing my email server so sent emails aren't delivered to yahoo's spam folder when sending someone an email?
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13:38<peterS>cesurasean: eh ... what does yahoo have to do with your email server?
13:39<juergen>cesurasean, some mail providers do not accept (or flag as spam) mail from "homemade" SMTP servers
13:40<juergen>cesurasean, do you deliver directly or are you using an official mail relay?
13:40<cesurasean>I think I might be using a relay for my ISP.
13:40<cesurasean>not too sure. it's been awhile since ive examined the server's settings.
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13:41<cesurasean>relayhost =
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13:41<peterS>cesurasean: btw you probably want [] to disable MX lookup on that host
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13:42<peterS>cesurasean: ...unless you actually _meant_ to do MX lookup. but people usually mean for that to just be an A record, so the [ ] make it a little bit more efficient
13:42<cesurasean>peterS, can you explain better?
13:42<cesurasean>how do i disable mx lookup?
13:43<peterS>cesurasean: by using [ ] around the hostname
13:43<cesurasean>ah! ok.
13:43<cesurasean>change that, and then test?
13:43<peterS>cesurasean: postfix by default treats relay hosts as MX records. not that it matters for correctness, in your case, as I notice has no MX record
13:43<peterS>cesurasean: anyway that's not your actual problem, it's just something I'm saying in passing
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13:44<cesurasean>ok, well, i fixed that.
13:44<cesurasean>how do i determine what my problem is?
13:44<juergen>cesurasean, is your ISP maybe on some backlist?
13:45<cesurasean>juergen, i doubt it.
13:45<peterS>cesurasean: ask the poor soul who is using yahoo to show you the full headers, maybe they've left some trace in there as to why your message was considered spam
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13:45<cesurasean>im going to try and send a test message, and see if it results in the same
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13:49<cesurasean>how do you view headers from within the yahoo mail application?
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13:50<cesurasean>sadly enough they don't offer imap/pop for free.
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13:50<cesurasean>nevermind found it
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13:51<cesurasean>anyone see anything in the headers?
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13:56<gmarsh>Question; I recompiled a package from apt-sources (rtorrent) so that it would get compiled with a newer linked-in library than the standard binary package has. Now when I do apt-get upgrade, it shows rtorrent in the list of packages it wants to upgrade.
13:56<gmarsh>and, well, rtorrent isn't new... so I'm guessing it just wants to replace my recompiled version with the original binary version.
13:56<catsup>cesurasean: yahoo has some bullshit page they put in their SMTP log output. they graylist you and tell you how to get off.
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13:58<cesurasean>catsup, bullshit page? huh?
13:58<catsup>cesurasean: better solution if you don't have many email addresses is to forward all your outgoing mail through google. the only trouble is you need a separate gmail account for each source email address. but with postfix it is easy to make it default to direct smtp for addresses without gmail accounts
13:58<catsup>web page
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13:59<catsup>i mean
13:59<juergen>I still can't write to usb media. they are (now) owned by root... went something wrong with "hal"?
13:59<catsup>the page describes some bullshit procedure
13:59<cesurasean>which page?
13:59<cesurasean>can you send me the link?
13:59<catsup>the one linked in yahoos SMTP output
13:59<cesurasean>in the headers there is a link?
13:59<catsup>well i don't know
13:59<catsup>i got one that way once
13:59<catsup>maybe it changed since then, who knows
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14:00<cesurasean>I don't see a link, catsup.
14:00<catsup>do you see an SMTP response
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14:00<cesurasean> - here is the full header.
14:01<cesurasean>I don't really know what I'm looking for, maybe you do?
14:01<peterS>this is amusing: Received: from (EHLO ( by with SMTP; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:47:36 -0800
14:01<peterS>I wonder how yahoo managed to think your mail server was
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14:02<catsup>message headers != SMTP response
14:02<catsup>that message went through localhost, which added that header
14:02<peterS>catsup: well, the SMTP response clearly accepted the mail, or it wouldn't have ended up in a junk folder. I suspect you won't find anything interesting in the SMTP transaction.
14:03<catsup>peterS: the SMTP transaction warns you that you are graylisted
14:03<peterS>catsup: anyway, why would say that localhost said "EHLO"?
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14:04<peterS>catsup: that's an odd definition of greylisting, then. greylisting usually temp fails the transaction (a 45x response) so you can try it again in a few minutes
14:04<peterS>which implies _not_ delivering it the first time around, to a junk mail folder or anywhere else
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14:05<catsup>it puts it on a delay but it gets delivered
14:05<cesurasean>peterS, let me pastebin my postfix config
14:05<catsup>it warns without an error
14:05<cesurasean>maybe i did configure wrong!
14:05<catsup>cesurasean is talking about the spam categorization within yahoo's interface
14:05<cesurasean>mynetworks =
14:05<peterS>cesurasean: well, yahoo is getting the message from, so that's the machine you should be logged into, looking at postfix config and /var/log/mail.log
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14:06<catsup>which has nothing to do with the mailservers
14:06<cesurasean>should that be an actual ip address?
14:06<peterS>cesurasean: that line is fine
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14:06<peterS>cesurasean: the problem is between and yahoo, it seems to have nothing to do with your original server
14:06<catsup>what problem
14:06<catsup>aren't the messages getting delivered?
14:06<cesurasean>so it's my ISP's problem?
14:07<catsup>it is just yahoo's email program
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14:07<peterS>cesurasean: I said between those two servers. clearly it is something yahoo is doing. but the reason they are doing it is probably not at all related to your own mail server, since yahoo never even sees that
14:08<peterS>all it sees is that is talking to it
14:08<cesurasean>so, how do i find why yahoo is blocking?
14:08<catsup>it gets through the email servers just fine, then yahoo's junk mail categorizer fails
14:08<peterS>so if you want to look at SMTP responses, as catsup advises, you should log into _that_ server and read /var/log/mail.log. if it belongs to your ISP, then they'll have to do that.
14:08<catsup>yahoo isn't blocking it
14:08<cesurasean>well, spam foldering it
14:09<cesurasean>how do i figure out why they are doing that/
14:09<catsup>i.e., delivering it
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14:09<cesurasean>how do i contact yahoo, and ask them? :D
14:09<catsup>add the address to your address book
14:09<catsup>train your spam filter better
14:09<catsup>deliver everything and use a different spam filter
14:09<peterS>cesurasean: well ... maybe the reason services like yahoo mail are free is that you don't really have any ways to get real support when there are problems
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14:10<peterS>or, if you _are_ paying for yahoo mail, then they should have given you a phone number to call
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14:10<cesurasean>no, no paying yahoo here. :)
14:10<catsup>just disable spam filtering
14:10<peterS>anyway, it's all about their spam filtering. if you can't figure out from the message headers why they're filtering your message to a junk folder, well, I can't see it from those headers either
14:11<catsup>have yahoo deliver mail to your local machine with fetchyahoo
14:11<catsup>install a local spam filter and run it from procmail
14:11<peterS>cesurasean: you might improve your chances by declaring an SPF record for your domain that explicitly authorizes to send mail from it. yahoo might take you a little more seriously that way. or they might not. I don't know anything about yahoo mail.
14:12<peterS>well, I see you already have an SPF record - maybe augment it with your ISP's public server
14:12<catsup>gmail will do more than an SPF record
14:12<catsup>try delivering mail through gmail
14:12<cesurasean>peterS, how do i declare that?
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14:13<jhutchins_lt>cesurasean: do you have rdns?
14:13<peterS>cesurasean: same way you declared the rest of the SPF record
14:13<cesurasean>yes, rdns was setup by my isp
14:13<peterS>jhutchins_lt: follow along, he has given enough information. and yes, his ISP does.
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14:13<jhutchins_lt>peterS: k, that defeats me on some systems.
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14:14<peterS>jhutchins_lt: indeed. but he's already relaying mail through his ISP's smarthost. and they are on the ball enough to have things like rdns set up
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14:15<peterS>cesurasean: anyway, your spf record is in the form of a TXT record for however you edited that the first time around, you can again
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14:16<cesurasean>peterS, what exactly are you suggesting I 'edit'?
14:16<peterS>cesurasean: how did you set it up the first time? you did, somehow
14:16<catsup>what is the content of the message? it is 1187 bytes apparently
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14:16<jhutchins_lt>peterS: My ISP (Everest, now Surewest) is blacklisted on some RBL's.
14:16<catsup>body of the message
14:16<cesurasean>catsup, i just wrote 'test'
14:16<catsup>the spam filter works on the body of the message
14:16<peterS>cesurasean: just do the same thing again. and while you're at it, you can probably remove the "ip4:" entry, SPF isn't too useful with RFC 1918 local IPs
14:17<catsup>short emails are not the most likely to get past spam filters
14:17<cesurasean>peterS, where do i edit spf records at?
14:17<peterS>cesurasean: wherever you edited it the first time
14:17<peterS>yes, DNS. are you saying you did _not_ set it up in the first place, for then who did? Whoever did, ask them what they didd.
14:17<jhutchins_lt>,versions alsa-base
14:17<judd>Package alsa-base on i386 -- etch: 1.0.13-5etch1; etch-security: 1.0.13-5etch1; lenny: 1.0.17.dfsg-4; sid: 1.0.23+dfsg-2; squeeze: 1.0.23+dfsg-2
14:18<cesurasean> IN MX 5
14:18<cesurasean> IN NS
14:18<cesurasean> IN TXT "v=spf1 a mx ip4: ip4: ?all"
14:18<cesurasean>are those lines, fine?
14:18<cesurasean>what should i change them to?
14:18<peterS>cesurasean: you should maybe read some of the lines I've already typed earlier, which should answer that question
14:18<peterS>cesurasean: I'm not inclined to keep repeating myself
14:18<cesurasean>so just remove the local ip?
14:19<peterS>no, not just that. you should do that in passing, but that is not what I suggested.
14:19<peterS>maybe go back and read why I even mentioned SPF in the first place.
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14:20<cesurasean>peterS: cesurasean: you might improve your chances by declaring an SPF record for your domain that explicitly authorizes to send mail from it. - this part?
14:20<peterS>yes, that part
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14:20<cesurasean>how do i make that record? i didn't make this spf myself, either.
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14:21<peterS>cesurasean: the short version is you can add to the record you have. the long version is you should go read
14:21<cesurasean>I think it's doings of webmin.
14:21<peterS>yay webmin
14:21<peterS>anyway, ip4: is not very useful since it's a RFC1918 local address, so while you're at it, you probably want to remove that
14:21<cesurasean>does this look decent? - IN TXT "v=spf1 a mx ip4: ?all"
14:22<cesurasean>or should i remove
14:22<peterS>cesurasean: well, and ip4: will do the same thing. so you don't need both.
14:22<peterS>I mean, since they point to the same IP
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14:23<peterS>if you don't plan to send mail from that IP (without relaying through your ISP), then you don't need either one
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14:27<cesurasean>still going to spam folder after those changes. :(
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14:32<jhutchins_lt>cesurasean: Do the headers of the messages in the spam folder show the reasons it's flagged? I know spamassassin has an option to list the scroring in the headers.
14:32<peterS>jhutchins_lt: look at his paste
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14:32<peterS>cesurasean: I notice your DNS TTL is set to 10 hours and 40 minutes (38400 seconds, an odd time period), so yahoo could cache your old SPF record that long if they want
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14:33<peterS>I don't see any record of spamassassin in there. only concrete thing I see is X-YahooFilteredBulk:, which doesn't really say anything about why
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14:34<cesurasean>, and hotmail work fine. seems to be a yahoo problem for whatever reason.
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14:34<cesurasean>I'll test yahoo again in 10 hours after that time period has passed.
14:34<cesurasean>any other ideas what could be causing it to flag?
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14:35<jhutchins_lt>cesurasean: Send a message to
14:36<Lumooja>some sites ban completely, could that be the reason?
14:36<Lumooja>i know my server does
14:36<peterS>Lumooja: no, this is about what yahoo is doing, not what someone is doing to yahoo
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14:38<cesurasean>jhutchins_lt, done
14:38<Lumooja>another reason could be that the sender address is faked, i had that problem once when i was sending out mails with a faked sender address, because it was supposed to come from the company, not from me
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14:39<jhutchins_lt>cesurasean: Wow, you're right, straight to spam.
14:39<peterS>way ahead of you, Lumooja. note the Return-Path: <> in his paste. it looks like the real legitimate return path
14:40<Lumooja>but the domain is not
14:40<Lumooja>when i sent the fake mails, i sent the frmo, but i put as sender
14:40<peterS>the sending domain? no! he's sending _to_ yahoo, not _from_ yahoo.
14:41<jhutchins_lt>cesurasean: Interesting, absolutely no way to say "this is not spam".
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14:42<peterS>jhutchins_lt: hey, maybe we've outed cesurasean as a spammer!
14:42<jhutchins_lt>cesurasean: Ok, I switched to the new mail interface and have a button to mark mail as not spam. It moved your message to the inbox, please send another.
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14:43<Lumooja>ah so this is just a bug in yahoo's spam engine
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14:44<peterS>Lumooja: well, that's the question. what reasons do they have to distrust mail from cesurasean's ISP? It _looks_ as though they're filtering on the IP, not the message content.
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14:48<Lumooja>i haven't seen a reliable spam filter yet, although they say gmail's is pretty decent
14:49<jhutchins_lt>cesurasean: Ok, that one went to the inbox.
14:49<jhutchins_lt>Lumooja: my spamassassin works well on addresses that have been public for more than ten years.
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14:50<slush>my mailscanner works just fine
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16:05<Xeross>Is there any official page for creating and signing your own packages
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16:07<Xeross>Well with instructions for the above
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16:08<peterS>Xeross: technically you don't sign packages, you sign download archives that have packages in them. it's a fine but important distinction. anyway, best thing is to look at packages such as reprepro and apt-ftparchive
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16:09<Xeross>I already have my own repository running but I am getting errors that they are from an untrusted source, so now my question would be how do I make this source trusted
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16:10<peterS>Xeross: you need to arrange your archive properly and produce Release files that also have Release.gpg files next to them, which are signed. and the key you sign with, you can import into your client system with 'apt-key add keyfile.asc'
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16:10<peterS>Xeross: anyway, building Packages and Release files and signing them and putting them in the proper locations is something you probably want to delegate to programs like apt-ftparchive
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16:10<peterS>(from the apt-utils package)
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16:11<Xeross>I am already using reprepo is it also possible with that ?
16:11<peterS>presumably. I have not used reprepro
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16:12<peterS>the main thing is, if you're producing Release files, create detached signatures with 'gpg --detach-sign -a'
16:13<peterS>I've got a makefile rule that does this for an archive I keep (that isn't using apt-ftparchive or anything, for historical reasons)
16:13<peterS>%.gpg: % $(RM) $@ gpg --default-key=$(GPG_KEY) --detach-sign -a -o $@ $<
16:13<peterS>with of course a line elsewhere GPG_KEY := 12345678
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16:14<peterS>(that one line was three separate lines, last two are tab-indented, as you'd expect if you know makefiles)
16:14<Xeross>Yeah I've used makefiles for some C++ projects
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16:15<peterS>so then, I invoke the "%.gpg: %" target by depending on 'foo/bar/Release.gpg' type target names
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16:24<Xeross>Apparently reprepo can do it automatically
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16:25<bobpaul>dmesg gives errors like "ata5 ... some error". Is there a way to map "ata5" to a particular block device?
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16:35<mase>bobpaul whats "some error"?
16:36<Lantizia>"ata5: not enough jam"
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16:39<bobpaul>mase: I'm not interested in the error. I'm actually testing drives and causing errors, but I need to know which device the error occurred on. An example might be "ata5: hard resetting link" when a drive is disconnected
16:40<bobpaul>block devices have a host attribute, and I've found hostX often comes up as ataY where Y=X+1, but sometimes Y=X and sometimes there's no correlation at all :-/
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16:44<mase>bobpaul usually you dont need to care about these messages, i think they are just caused by hotplugging the devices
16:47<bobpaul>mase: yes, but in this case, I do care. I need to know which device was hotplugged. There must be a mapping from ataY -> hostX or ataY -> /dev/sdZ somewhere, otherwise these messages aren't very useful
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16:49<mase>bobpaul hmm, ok. whats about the /dev/disk/by-id/... stuff?
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16:50<mase>bobpaul oh, wrong sorry (you still dont know what ataX is)
16:51<bobpaul>mase I can grep through dmesg after forcibly hotplugging a drive after bootup, but I'm not especially fond of that option
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16:54<mase>bobpaul im not shure but isn't every ataX fixed to a physical connector? (before any ataX-> /dev/sdY mapping)
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16:56<bobpaul>mase I don't know enough to answer. Probably? Browsing though /sys/block it looks like the connector is the hostX item
16:56<bobpaul>mas eg, a device listing host5 will show as 5:0:0:0
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16:58<mase>bobpaul might be kind of pci path
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16:59<RetinaBurn>why wont my wine load
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17:00<RetinaBurn>iwconfig wlan0
17:00<jhutchins_lt>!doesn't work
17:00<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
17:00<mase>RetinaBurn tried to start it from console to see what error occurs?
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17:01<RetinaBurn>k hold on
17:01<mase>bobpaul (pci path was wrong, sorry)
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17:10<Xeross>So my repository now has a Release.gpg (That's what it needs to make it "secure" as far as I know), now how do I add it on the clients ?
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17:11<retrospectacus>Xeross: with the apt-key command, I think
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17:14<Xeross>Well apparently apt-key add doens't accept the gpg file and from what I can tell it wants a .asc file ?
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17:15<bobpaul>mase: 5:0:0:0 appears to be a scsi address
17:15<bobpaul>as in "ata7.00: detaching (SCSI 3:0:0:0)"
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17:19<mase__>bobpaul so if the scsi address is fixed to a physical connector, would that solve your problem? (since you would be able to reconstruct what device is ment with ataX)
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17:24<bobpaul>mase: sort of. That message only occurs if the drive is disconnected long enough for libata to mark it detached. So, if I forcibly detach, wait, and reattach I can use it that, but I'd rather not have to do that procedure
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17:27<mase__>bobpaul youre right, there would be the need of a "atached" message in the first place
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17:28<mase__>bobpaul isnt there such a message while hotplugging a device? i cant check it right now...
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17:29<mase__>bobpaul just for my interest: what are you testing?
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17:30<bobpaul>basically I'm mucking with the power supply, so a drive could go down and the kernel sees it as a hotplug
17:30<bobpaul>if things are working correctly, this doesn't happen
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17:31<bobpaul>brief hotplugs don't show "detached", just the hard resetting link message
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17:44<TobiX>Does anyone know a program to manage a collection of e-books/articles/weblog entries? Should support tags and (fast/indexed) search...
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17:53<Xeross>Okay so I apparently need some other file that compares woth Release.gpg (Presumably one if the private key and one the public ?), how would I generate the file I have to add locally
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18:01<LeoWainer>Is anyone online?
18:01<retrospectacus>happy Friday y'all
18:01<rpetre>retrospectacus: it's already saturday in almost half the world, you know ;)
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18:02<devil>Sa 13. Nov 00:02:01 CET 2010
18:02<TobiX>devil: ACK :)
18:02<rpetre>Sat Nov 13 01:02:43 EET 2010
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18:03<retrospectacus>damn. And here I am still at work like a chump at 3:03 PST
18:03<rpetre>retrospectacus: you forget you woke up 10 hours later :)
18:04<TobiX>What next? "Good evening"? ;)
18:04<retrospectacus>yeah that was some gooood sleeping while you were all at work :P
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18:10<bobpaul>mase: seems to show the recommended method (alan cox is the man, afterall). It seems order is important. ata13 starts up, next line shows the scsi address (12:0:0:0:) and that eventually gets you to sdm
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18:11<bobpaul>I wasn't sure if I could trust multiple lines to be about the same thing, but it looks like it's either that or hotplug the drive. Anyway, thanks for spending time on my problem
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18:13<jhutchins_lt>LeoWainer: My client shows 428 nicks.
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18:27<cluxter>salut tout le monde
18:28<cluxter>*hi everybody
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19:18<zeus_>Hi all, i have a Mobile AMD Sempron processor 3000+ wich debian version do i have to install ? x86 or amd_64 ?
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19:20<bremner>zeus_: how much memory?
19:20<dbldtx>zeus_; you can install either. If you have a 64-bit processor you can install amd_64 variant but if you're not looking to take advantage of any 64-bit technologies in particular, I would go with the regular x86 (32-bit) installation.
19:21<smv>zeus_, i think you might be able to use the amd64 with that. i have a 2800+ one and i use amd64. can you identify it exactly?
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19:23<zeus_>ram : 1024 MB ... how can i know if my processor support 64 bit ?
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19:23<zeus_>smv: how can i identify it exactly ?
19:24<bremner>for 1024mb go 32bit
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19:24<smv>zeus_, depends on what you have there. it is in a laptop/notebook i asume. which kind? any model information on the packaging?
19:25<zeus_>yes it's a notebook. Acer Aspire 3000
19:25<zeus_>yes it's a notebook. Acer Aspire 3000LM
19:25*smv thinks that an 64-bit capable procesor should be used that way no matter how much ram
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19:31<smv>bremner, no real reason i guess...
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19:31<bremner>so maybe not great advice...
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19:33<bremner>or maybe not intended as advice
19:33<jhutchins_lt>semperon 3000+ is 64b capable.
19:34<smv>bremner, is ram size the single reason to use amd64?
19:34<jhutchins_lt>as far as I know there's no way to "upgrade" a 32b installation to a 64b though.
19:34<bremner>no there are more registers in amd64
19:35<jhutchins_lt>smv: Since most programs and most tasks really can't make any use of the extended functions, unless you actually need it there's no real reason.
19:35<bremner>so that is good, but memory use is a bit higher and some software doesn't work
19:36<jhutchins_lt>smv: It does handle 4G+ ram more efficiently than the 32b methods, but not something you're likely to actually notice.;
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19:36<smv>which software?
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19:38<bremner>adobe flash was broken for a while, but also some free software, mostly things like lesser known programming languages
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20:26<diederik>Is it normal to have nearly 100% cpu usage on both cores of an AMD64 X2 4400 while viewing a 1080p movie with a powerfull graphics card (nvidia GT 430)?
20:27<diederik>maybe relevant, I'm using it in 32-bit mode (i686)
20:28<diederik>I expected that the GT 430 would handle all the video decoding, but apparently not
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20:32<bremner>diederik: what driver are you using for the nvidia card?
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20:33<bremner>and can you paste the output of "xvinfo"?
20:34<diederik>bremner: 260.19.21 from the nvidia website
20:35<diederik>bremner: xvinfo at
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20:36<bremner>hmm. And you have selected the xv output from whatever program?
20:37<diederik>bremner: yes, with "mplayer -vo xv test.mp4"
20:37<diederik>also tried with vdpau and gl as param value to -vo, but xv seemed to have the best performance
20:38<bremner>huh. got me. I wouldn't have thought it would be that bad, but maybe ask on #nvidia on freenode
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20:38<diederik>ok, will do, thanks
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20:46<e>Hello, i just installed my new debian from netinst and i don't quite understand why did i boot into shell...
20:47<e>I expected to have gnome installed.
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20:49<cthuluh>e: did you select the "desktop" package when in tasksel?
20:49<e>i was using expert graphic installer of stable netinst cd
20:49<e>it did not ask me of no such thing
20:49<cthuluh>try to install tasksel and run it
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22:27<diederik>does mplayer from the archives support vdpau? (using Debian Sid) How to check/configure that?
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23:14<davids>how to use irssi????
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23:18<e>i think i just realized i made a mistake
23:18<e>instead of installing proper kernel, then rebooting, then upgrading everything
23:18<e>i run an update
23:18<e>i am now at some propmt in the middle, can i still revert the changes?
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23:25<chaOstein>how are you aranax
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23:27<aranax>chaOstein, o/
23:27<chaOstein>what are you doing here?
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23:55<SeanieB>I am completely stumped
23:56<SeanieB>I have a debian server
23:56<SeanieB>I recently had to reload it, and its' pretty much using the same config, with an unrelated issue
23:56<SeanieB>same config version
23:56<SeanieB>after a while, or some times immediately
23:56<SeanieB>DNS resolution either stops working, or I can't go to some places
23:56<SeanieB>I have checked the interfaces setup and verified it with the ISP
23:57<bja>!tell SeanieB about unix lessons
23:57<SeanieB>the nameservers are correct, it seems to do it with a managerie of DNS servers
23:57<SeanieB>right now, I have no sourceforge or google for some reason
23:58<SeanieB>honestly, I know all of that stuff, and I've asked everyone. including the staff at my ISP
23:58<SeanieB>just taking a crap shoot at this point
23:59<SeanieB>bunch of this stuff when I restart networking, the NFS mount messages are normal
23:59<SeanieB>this persists a reboot, also.
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23:59<SeanieB>also, I meant same *kernel version
23:59<SeanieB>not config
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