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---Logopened Sun Nov 14 00:00:17 2010
00:00<ttick>mase: auto lo / iface lo inet loopback
00:02<ttick>funny, i can't even ping the IP of this machine by number. I don't have the networking chops to know what's going on.
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00:04<BBGun>anyone has any experience with fixing freezing configuration phase of the installation of 5.0.6?
00:07<BBGun>I have seen posts on the net related to older installations that have similar problems...
00:07<BBGun>my configuration step is crawling at about 1% per hour!
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00:08<BBGun>second attempt at installing... off the net cd
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00:09<zophy>is there a port of pf to linux ?
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00:12<qq->what's pf ?
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00:23<qq->zophy, ^^
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00:37<cthuluh>qq-: Packet Filter
00:37<cthuluh>zophy: no
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00:51<qq->cthuluh, thanks
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01:37<greyecho>Anyone actually on this IRC?
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01:38<greyecho>Hey Aranax
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01:41<aranax>greyecho, ?
01:42<greyecho>Nothing, haven't seen anyone typing at all. I thought maybe something was wrong with my connection.
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01:54<davekong>I have texinfo installed on my system but keep getting:, any thoughts? I tried re-installing texinfo, build-essential, make
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02:03<BlueG>I can't seem to align the printer heads on my HP Deskjet F4240. When I run hp-align and press "scan" on the printer, the power light just flashes.
02:05<fieldski>anyone seen Revolution OS? Watched it this morning on Netflix ;)
02:06<davekong>saw it a while ago I forget all the details
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02:07<fieldski>I was amped all day
02:08<davekong>I am pretty amazed that Linux has come so far
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02:08<greyecho>Anyone know how to install debian from GRUB RESCUE menu?
02:10<greyecho>I feel screwed
02:10<davekong>what happened?
02:10<fieldski>data ok?
02:13<greyecho>I erased a partion that had Ubuntu, switching to debian lenny
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02:14<greyecho>GRUB goes to "grub rescue>"
02:14<greyecho>I make a usb drive into a bootable Installation DVD of Debian, but it doesn't boot :(
02:15<greyecho>So it's in limbo, all I can do is the "ls" command which shows the hard drive
02:15<greyecho>I have windows 7 on it as well.
02:15<greyecho>But Grub is probably saying, wtf is this?
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02:16<aki>the ropes
02:17<davekong>so you delete Ubuntu somehow and didn't install Debian?
02:17<aki>can anyone help me learn?
02:17<davekong>How did you delete Ubuntu?
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02:17<davekong>And you don't have a cdrom drive I take it?
02:17<greyecho>I used a partion app in windows 7 to delete the Ubuntu os
02:18<greyecho>Nope, just usb
02:18<greyecho>It's a thin notebook
02:19<fieldski>I think some kind of partition recovery tool is needed?
02:19<greyecho>I have another system, which is what I'm on. I have both mac with virtualbox winxp running as well.
02:20<greyecho>what do you recommend?
02:20<davekong>Ubuntu is probably still there just the parition table entry is gone
02:20<davekong>but if you want debian anyway I would say install debian
02:20<davekong>something is wrong with your boot cd
02:21<davekong>or boot image
02:21<greyecho>I don't mind getting rid of windows 7 if I need to
02:21<davekong>I don't think you need to
02:21<greyecho>It won't boot at all
02:21<davekong>Not sure though, I have only done dual booting with XP
02:21<aki>hey umm where can i learn hacking?
02:21<davekong>the Internets
02:22<aki>is there a network?
02:22<davekong>a big one
02:22<greyecho>for hacking google "linux hacking"
02:22<aki>can i find it on xchat?
02:22<davekong>linux kernel newbies if good for the kernel
02:22<davekong>what exactly is your goal
02:22<davekong>was that directed at me?
02:22<aki>to be a grey hat
02:23<fieldski>no sir
02:24<davekong>best way to learn to hack is to hack
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02:24<greyecho>Hack a muffin
02:26<greyecho>Which do you recommend using for a Deb install Gnome, Xfce, KDE or lxde ?
02:27<aki>thank you:D
02:27<davekong>I would suggest none of those, but don't know your tastes
02:27<greyecho>I have to select one to use for a live usb install
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02:28<greyecho>So I've got no other choice then to use those
02:28<davekong>use the netinstall
02:28<greyecho>So, not sure which is better
02:28<greyecho>Where could I get that!?
02:28<greyecho>That sounds awesome
02:29<davekong>it means downloading most stuff and not having it on the cd
02:29<greyecho>AAWESOME, thank you.
02:30<greyecho>Thank you, awesome
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02:32<greyecho>I play on running nginx / php / mysql / node.js on this beauty
02:33<greyecho>davekong: What kind of setup do you have?
02:33<davekong>greyecho: I have a few different machines, the one I am talking to you with?
02:33<greyecho>davekong: Sure
02:34<greyecho>davekong: Do you use any for actual public web site deployment?
02:34<davekong>well my WM is xmonad
02:34<davekong>and most stuff is all CLI apps
02:34<greyecho>and hosting?
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02:35<davekong>I have a webserver running debian another running Arch I am trying to move to lighttpd running apache atm
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02:35<davekong>a lot of configuratin instructions I have noticed are all written for apache
02:36<davekong>At this current moment I really wish I could get lfs working
02:36<BlueG>Any suggestions on properly configuring HP printers? I can't seem to align the printer cartidges
02:36<greyecho>lighttpd is pretty similar to apache I hear, just faster than apache and with more configurations than nginx
02:37<davekong>It seems like a lot of people run python stuff with lighttpd so that is why, I have a hg-repo and moinmoin wiki
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02:43<greyecho>I think node.js requires either lighttpd or nginx
02:43<greyecho>I barely messed with python
02:45<greyecho>brb, gotta setup this usb thing
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02:51<greyecho>Alright, that netinstall setup you recommended seems to work!
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02:54<davekong>that's good
02:54<davekong>that is what I used
02:54<davekong>Do not choose webserver btw
02:55<davekong>cause it will install apache and stuff you don't want
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02:58<greyecho>It didn't work, it couldn't find the wifi network adapter it seems
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03:00<davekong>don't know sorry
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03:03<greyecho>I'm going to try doing the full 4.7 DVD again to a USB stick
03:03<davekong>you can press esc typically to get back to a menu to have more control
03:04<davekong>or go into expert mode
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03:04<davekong>but I don't know much about it
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03:05<davekong>if you open a shell you can look to see if the module is available and load it if it is not loading automatically for whatever reason
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03:05<greyecho>Ah, np, I think I didn't write the iso file to the usb properly before either. So this should fix it
03:05<davekong>One a netbook I have I had to download some drivers from the internet to get networking going
03:05<greyecho>Yeah, I may have to do that
03:06<davekong>I just installed without a network then went back and added it later
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03:07<greyecho>How long have you been playing with Linux & Debian?
03:07<davekong>Debian a few months, linux few years
03:07<davekong>I think I first installed Linux on a computer in 2008
03:08<greyecho>How did you get acustomed to all the shell commands and everything? (ex: apt-get install ???)
03:08<greyecho>I through myself into it, and had to learn things slowly and painfully. Couldn't find great help at all.
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03:09<davekong>just from using them, reading lots of man pages
03:09<davekong>man pages are really helpful
03:09<davekong>man apt-get then read all the related articles as well
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03:09<davekong>man dpkg etc
03:11<greyecho>I'm guessing aptitude is also another package handler?
03:12<davekong>that's what Ubuntu uses right?
03:12<cahoot>greyecho: you want to at least look at "the debian reference" (if you plan to stick to debian) -
03:12<greyecho>It actually worked in debian
03:12<greyecho>@ cahoot, most definitely
03:13<greyecho>@ cahoot - That's on the official site?
03:13<cahoot>!debian reference
03:13<dpkg>The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. The latest version (v2) is at . Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install this too, the package name is debian-reference: 'aptitude install debian-reference'
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03:15<greyecho>AWESOME, thank you very much
03:15<greyecho>I will definitely read through it
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04:00<jamesm>Why does aptitude have no ssl option?
04:01<jamesm>so https not http option
04:01<jamesm>this would have nice extras for proprietary software..
04:01<valdyn>jamesm: because no one added that feature
04:02<jamesm>would it be as easy as another package thats adds the feture?
04:02<petemc>proprietary software doesnt feature high on the list of debians priorities
04:03<jamesm>i know but some developers want to take debian and make their own OS based on debian (Squeeze in my case)
04:04<jamesm>and include their own repositories and want it to update securly and safly without anyone getting the source code..
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04:04<valdyn>jamesm: so?
04:04<valdyn>jamesm: are they aware that that is not legal?
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04:05<jamesm>they would be but with anything someone will do the wrong thing to get it free
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04:06<jamesm>people do the wrong thing all the time just like people who download dvds ilegally
04:07<valdyn>jamesm: thats an entirely different league of "illegal"
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04:08<valdyn>one is punishable up to years in jail, the other is just barely illegal and rarely punishable in the bigger part of the world
04:08<jamesm>security of deb downloads would mean that software that is not for anyone to read is still not readable or uncompilable
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04:08<seeS>i don't get it, other than for the specific case jamesm is talking about, why would you bother
04:10<@Ganneff>valdyn: it is not illegal to NOT provide the source. provided you actually have all rights to license the thing in whichever way you want. if he has not and violates a license, thats different, but provided he has an own app to distribute, then its certainly not a good thing he plans but some one can do.
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04:10<jamesm>packages can be secure and not be tampered with, brings more security to the whole system
04:10<seeS>you don't use https for that!
04:10<valdyn>Ganneff: he is talking about a debian derivative
04:11<@Ganneff>for all the parts from there he must give out source, yes
04:11<@Ganneff>jamesm: no, https is unneeded.
04:11<valdyn>sure i can create properietary packages for debian, thats something else..
04:11<jamesm>then how do you get aptitude to download packages encrypted to help
04:11<@Ganneff>no need to encrypt them
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04:12<jamesm>then how do you stop people from getting the source?
04:12<@Ganneff>one has nothing to do with the other
04:12<seeS>why not just not have the source available?
04:13<seeS>plenty of low-life vendors have done that before
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04:13<jamesm>never avalible impossible it needs to be sent to the user as PHP unless i can compile that
04:13<@Ganneff>valdyn: now, seeing how the basics of repositories fail here, im not all to bothered about this ever getting real usage...
04:13<valdyn>jamesm: apt-get is in a sense just a download too there, if you dont offer the source, then no one gets the source
04:13<valdyn>Ganneff: agreed
04:14<jamesm>i need it to go to servers with my own debian based OS and they need their updates via aptitude
04:15<seeS>https would solve one of the least likely forms of source code leakage
04:15<jamesm>the php must never be read by anyone but me
04:15<slush>are you that ashamed for your code?
04:15*seeS writes some code i php and is ashamed of some of it :(
04:16<jamesm>no i just want people to pay for the license and keep it to them
04:16<seeS>https wont do it for you
04:16<@Ganneff>jamesm: your business is doomed to fail if you have to bother with such things already. anyways, you wont find help in here.
04:16<slush>jamesm: if you are so keen about using https, do it. Provide the package on a https host and use wget and dpkg together in a script. Apt doesn't have the need ofr it.
04:17<valdyn>jamesm: you can ask nokia how they do it
04:17<valdyn>jamesm: ( source on their client is available )
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04:18<seeS>you can't hide script code
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04:19<jamesm>yes i can
04:19<jamesm>give the user no terminal and root cant login
04:19<@Ganneff>no you cant.
04:19<@Ganneff>anyway, this is pretty offtopic here
04:19<jamesm>encrypted filesystem
04:19<@Ganneff>you might want to try #php or #idontgetitandwillfail
04:19<jerryclunsford>can some one tell me how to take a program out of the application start menu?
04:19<@Ganneff>uninstall it
04:20<jamesm>right click and edit menus then remove it from there.
04:20<jerryclunsford>Thanks jamesm
04:21<jerryclunsford>I didn't get it through aptitude so no uninstall.
04:21<jamesm>uninstalling it would still work but then you cant run it from cmdline or run application <alt>+<f2>
04:21<jerryclunsford>I took it all out.
04:21<jamesm>well you can just not using aptitude
04:21<jamesm>dpkg has uninstall feture, google it
04:21<dpkg>jamesm: are you smoking crack?
04:22<jamesm>dpkg its a package
04:22<dpkg>i haven't a clue, jamesm
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04:23<jerryclunsford>it was autopackage
04:24<jerryclunsford>an installer for non debian packages
04:24<jamesm>dpkg -r <package_name>;apt-cache policy <package_name>
04:24*dpkg removes <package_name>;apt-cache policy <package_name> along with a pound of flesh from jamesm's body, then staples jamesm back up with a staple gun.
04:26<jerryclunsford>Thanks a lot but I already did it the hard way only thing left was the menu link and I couldn't remember how to get rid of it. It's all gone now.
04:26<jamesm>autopackage `aptitude autoclean`
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04:28<jamesm>assuming you are root, if not sudo in from will finish that off if you are new you may not know that
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04:29<jerryclunsford>no I didn't only been using linux for about year a lot to learn after you get the microsoft monkey off of your back.
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04:31<jerryclunsford>well autoclean didn't free any disk space so I guess I already got rid of all of it. Thanks jamesm time to back to other things. Have a nice night.
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04:34<jamesm>night its 20:45:20
04:34<jamesm>not night, night is 22:00:00
04:34<jamesm>well thats my opinion
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04:42<jamesm>so how do i make my deb files secure and not for anyone to get the source of? Write my own script that uses wget and dpkg to install the deb?
04:43<jamesm>with user and pass verifing one download per server
04:43<jamesm>for each update
04:43<jamesm>then what do i use to get the list of updates and get everything in the repository
04:43<jamesm>like apt-get install * from my repository
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04:44<petemc>if you want to make it so people cant read your php use zend encoding
04:45<jamesm>is it free?
04:46<petemc>i dont think so
04:46<jamesm>can i convert php to binary?
04:46<petemc>are you the only person that should be allowed to charge for software?
04:46<jamesm>no i just have no way to pay them
04:47<jamesm>so how do you convert php into binary
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04:47<petemc>you're asking in the wrong channel, see Ganneffs suggestions for other places to ask
04:48<jamesm>#php, no one responds and i cant find the other segestion
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04:49<@Ganneff>doesnt mean it is ontopic here
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04:49<jamesm>the other segestion is not a valid channel
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04:50<jamesm>i know but there is no topic that will respond
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05:31<infinite>Hi There
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05:58<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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06:54<newman555>hi! when I use "aptitude install..." only root has access to programs I install. how to allow those programs to non-root? and also how to make it visible in their Applications menu? thnx!
06:54<youam>which program are you installing?
06:54<newman555>emacs, bittorent...
06:54<youam>and why do you think that only root has access to it?
06:55<newman555>maybe I used the wrong question. how come I can't see those programs in Applications menu?
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06:56<abrotman>in gnome? kde? what?
06:56<abrotman>squeeze? i think you have to enable the Debian menu
06:56<youam>newman555: for bittorrent it's because you didn't read the package description:
06:56<youam> This package contains the tools which are used for console-only
06:56<youam> downloading. If you want the GUI interface, install the
06:56<youam> bittorrent-gui package.
06:57<abrotman>newman555: Preferences->Main Menu .. enable the Debian menu .. but it will still only show X programs IIRC
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06:57<youam>newman555: i don't know emacs this good, but i'd think that the "emacs" metapackage installs console-only versions, too
06:57<youam>which would be started from a shell in a terminal emulator, not from a menu
06:57<abrotman>well, it can be started from a menu .. it just spawns an xterm or something
06:58<jacks_lt>I want to clone a installation via dpkg get selections. How does that work with the /etc folder, should I copy it to my new clean install?
06:58<newman555>ok, you just solved my problems :)
06:58<abrotman>newman555: have a nice day!
06:58<abrotman>jacks_lt: copy the installation or just the package list?
06:58<youam>abrotman: yes. but no console programm will generate a menu entry for itself to be started via some terminal emulator
06:58<jacks_lt>abrotman: copy as much as possible
06:59<abrotman>youam: they do ... i just looked, nano is in my gnome menu, when you choose it, it spawns a gnome-terminal that is urnning nano
06:59<newman555>while I'm here, could you recommend a good editor...for python, php, html, java...?
06:59<youam>abrotman: ugh
06:59<abrotman>newman555: bluefish? anjuta?
06:59<abrotman>jacks_lt: you'd want to copy /etc/ i guess .. but you'll obviously have to edit stuff
06:59<abrotman>youam: eh .. there are worse things .. it's not enabled by deafult anyway
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07:00<babilen>newman555: vim and/or emacs
07:00<newman555>abrotman: from what i see bluefish is only html. ?
07:00<jacks_lt>abrotman: edit stuff?
07:00<newman555>babilen: console, or are there gui versions?
07:01<abrotman>jacks_lt: hostname, etc ?
07:01<abrotman>newman555: no, bluefish does others too
07:01<newman555>abrotman: ok, will check it out...
07:01<abrotman>newman555: but anjuta also does programming stuff
07:02<babilen>newman555: Both -- You might want to take a look at eclipse and netbeans for Java. There are many speciliased editors, but IMHO vim+emacs handle everything you throw at them quite well.
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07:03<newman555>babilen: I used eclipse on windows...but, I think for now I'll try vim+emacs and check also the ones that abrotman mentioned. thanks!
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07:03<babilen>newman555: They have a steep learning curve. OTOH there are many plugins for eclipse for C(++), Python, Erlang, Scala or Haskell development. Try them and build you toolchain to your liking. But knowing vim will never hurt you, even if you don't end up using it for everyhting.
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07:05<babilen>newman555: You probably want vim-gnome and emacsXX-gtk for the GUI option. Run 'vimtutor' for a basic vim tutorial.
07:05<newman555>babilen: so far I've used vim for console editing...but now I just need an "universal" editor that gives me some basic highlighting...
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07:05*rpetre prefers "long learning curve" instead of "steep", cause most graphs i've seen put time on the X axis
07:05<babilen>newman555: Both vim and emacs handle that quite well for a plethora of languages.
07:06<abrotman>rpetre: and there's no end! it never peaks!
07:06<newman555>babilen: well I guess that's gonna be enough for me. thanks again babilen!
07:06<babilen>newman555: Have fun :)
07:06<rpetre>it keeps going, and going, and going :)
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07:07<rpetre>abrotman: i often say i'm less of an expert in _anything_ as time goes, a few years ago, i knew nearly everything there is to know :)
07:07*abrotman just never claims to be an expert at anything :)
07:09<rpetre>interviews are always fun: "what do you know?" "meh, nothing much, really"
07:09<abrotman>though, unlike my client .. at least i know how to check to make sure the CD is readable before i put it in the mail
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07:13<ex0>Hello, anybody online'
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07:33<EmleyMoor>I have a CD that is not mounting and not failing either - light constantly flickering. How can I eject it without rebooting?
07:33<valdyn>EmleyMoor: if eject or the hw button are not working, you can push a pencil into that hole on the drive
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07:34<EmleyMoor>It has now relented and let me eject it
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07:37<abrotman>pencil ? paperclip ?
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07:38<EmleyMoor>Paperclips remind me of vigor
07:38<hever>The maximum disk file desciptors are the "open files" ulimit shows?
07:39<Xeross>For some reason various applications somehow use old host+domain names for various servers in my LAN network, is there any way to force them to update or to figure out why they are still using these old names ?
07:39<hever>Or are this the "file locks" ?
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07:40<valdyn>Xeross: update the names in the database they are using?
07:40<valdyn>Xeross: like your name server or /etc/hosts
07:41<Xeross>valdyn: My nameserver already has the new ones and I deleted the old records, I've also made sure that the hosts files don't contain any old data
07:42<valdyn>Xeross: theres only one place left then, the configuration of your apps
07:42<Xeross>valdyn: Why would exim and mysql store them themselves, and if they do how can I purge them ?
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07:42<petemc>Xeross: exim -bP primary_hostname
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07:43<Xeross>petemc: primary_hostname = Mainframe.x3tech
07:44<Xeross>petemc: Though it uses the wrong hostname when sending something from InternalServices.x3tech (It appends the .local)
07:44<petemc>Xeross: exim -bP qualify_domain
07:44<petemc>or exim -bP | grep local
07:45<Xeross>petemc: qualify_domain =
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07:47<petemc>exim -bP routers | grep local
07:47<Xeross>petemc: The from address would that be generated by exim or by nullmailer ?
07:47<petemc>nullmailer sets the envelope
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07:48<Xeross>petemc: And that would mean ?
07:49<petemc>its a yes, nullmailer would generate the from address
07:49<Xeross>petemc: So something is going wrong on the nullmailer box then
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07:50<petemc>i wasnt aware there was a nullmailer box until you mentioned it there
07:51<Xeross>petemc: I think I've mentioned it multiple times though :/
07:51<petemc>to me?
07:52<Xeross>petemc: It seems I only mentioned a second box I am sending mail from then that had the exim box configured as its smarthost
07:53<Xeross>petemc: Well you know it now, sorry for not explicitly mentioning it
07:54<petemc>no bother, did you fix it yet?
07:54<Xeross>petemc: No but now we know its coming from the nullmailer box, yet nothing I checked seems to indicate something is wrong
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07:56<ex0>Hello anybody online ¿?
07:56<abrotman>i said yes a long time ago
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07:56<petemc>Xeross: its not in nullmailers config?
07:56<ex0>I have problems with emesene, it crashes when I try to change my display picture.. {bad english}
07:57<ex0>any idea..?
07:58<Xeross>petemc: There's only 2 config files, one named adminaddr that's empty and one named remotes that contains mail.x3tech (cname for the exim box)
07:59<petemc>whats the output of getent hosts on the nullmailer box?
07:59<Xeross> localhost
07:59<Xeross> InternalServices.x3tech InternalServices
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08:01<petemc> /etc/init.d/exim4 stop ; exim -d -bd , send a mail from the nullmailer box
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08:03<Xeross>petemc: 6012 SMTP<< HELO InternalServices.x3tech.local
08:05<Xeross>petemc: Is that nullmailer sending InternalServices.x3tech.local ?
08:06<ex0>Im running HLD servers (counter strike mod) on a X2 Xeon E5506 (8 cores)... I need to get lower cpu usage
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08:07<ex0>How can I do it ¿?
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08:07<abrotman>stop playing video games
08:08<ex0>sadkjd xd
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08:08<Xeross>ex0: I guess you could try searching google or asking the mods creators, as this is something beyond the scope of #defian
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08:09<ex0>Xeross: I did it .. well, thanks
08:10<Xeross>petemc: Hmm so somehow nullmailer is using the wrong name
08:11<Xeross>petemc: All hail to grep: /etc/mailname:InternalServices.x3tech.local
08:12<Xeross>Now why did I only check that on the exim host
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08:20<Xeross>petemc: Okay it works now but I wonder why it still says: 2010-11-14 14:15:50 1PHcQw-0001x9-23 <= H=internalservices.x3tech (InternalServices.x3tech.local)
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08:36<ex0>Xeross: When I play videos it flashes.. with mplayer or totem .. I have an ATI x1600 (fglrx driver) any idea?
08:36<Xeross>ex0: No not really
08:37<ex0>Ok thanks
08:37<muep>I'd try using the free drivers instead of fglrx/catalyst
08:37<muep>recent versions of the non-free ones do not even support older GPUs like x1600
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08:39<ex0>I have direct rendering.. I suppose that support it
08:39<muep>which version of debian is it installed on?
08:39<muep>I guess lenny can still use drivers that are old enough
08:41<ex0>can I upgrade to squeeze without die trying?
08:42<muep>yes, but using the non-free drivers will be harder there
08:42<ex0>non-free drivers of ATI?
08:42<muep>since a newer kernel + x requires a newer catalyst and a newer catalyst requires you to have a more recent GPU
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08:44<ex0>I have bad experiences migrating to testing version
08:45<muep>lenny is still supported, so you do not have to go to testing
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08:46<ex0>But I want newer versions of some programs.. What you think I should to do with my flashing videos? (bad english sorry)
08:47<muep>I would try without the non-free drivers
08:47<ex0>Howto install it?
08:47<ex0>I install this drivers with module assistant
08:48<muep>sorry, I do not really remember the uninstallation procedure for debian
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08:49<exaltis>for the record, 10.10 works with 6000 series flawlessly only that the watermark can't be removed
08:49<exaltis>if anybody is interested in these newest gpus, they are pretty much ok
08:50<muep>the free radeon driver for HD3650 works well enough for me
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08:50<exaltis>3xxx and 4xxx work ok with the free driver
08:50<exaltis>6xxx does not, give it some months
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08:51<ex0> how about it?
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08:56<ex0>I got it.. I change the output video to X11 and enable Direct rendering (problem with flashing videos)
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09:25<kootoomootoo>Hi! I downloaded some clipart icons .svg files , I want to change an icon on my panel but I couldn't
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09:26<kootoomootoo>How properly I have to do this?
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09:49<kootoomootoo>can someone please tell me how to use/install new icons in gnome?
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09:57<Rill>maybe themes section?
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10:13<kootoomootoo>Rill: I want to add a single .svg file for example, not to install a new theme
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10:21<Rill>sorry i don't know :(
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10:37<Laerkholm>anyone here?
10:38<f8l>Laerkholm: No. ;-P
10:38<Laerkholm>can you help me?
10:38<Laerkholm>- How come the newest version to mac, of openTTD is an .exe file?
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10:40<f8l>Laerkholm: Are you on a channel you want to be?
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10:40<Laerkholm>- How come the newest version to mac, of openTTD is an .exe file?
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10:41<dante_>hay hay guys and girls ;)
10:41<bremner>Laerkholm: please don't repeat the same question in exactly the same words. Are you seriously asking about software for MacOS on a debian channel?
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11:16<noise_>i want to create a website
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11:17<noise_>but i need a program like dreamweaver in linux
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11:17<ironm>good afternoon - do you have a good recommendation for VPN on debian? I have found strongswan .. maybe there is another bette choice
11:17<ex0>You tried Nvu?
11:17<ex0>Or install Dreamweaver with wine?
11:17<ironm>noise_, typo3 is a bit complicated but a good CMS
11:17<noise_>i am google it
11:18<noise_>what is wine
11:18<ex0>noise_, try Nvu or installing dreamweaver with wine
11:18<ironm>noise_, you can run win-applications suing wine (on linux)
11:18<ex0>noise_, wine (Wine is not emulator) google it, you can install windows aplication on linux
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11:19<noise_>bit who is better?
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11:20<ex0>noise_, try anything ..
11:20<noise_>i am new in linux
11:20<ex0>noise_, me too (:
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11:21<ex0>Anybody has tried to run WLM 2009 with wine?
11:22<amphi>does anybody know what it is? ;)
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11:22<ex0>it's joke?
11:23<chealer>ex0: anyone who's had to run WLM 2009 without vast amounts of some alternative alcohol form, presumably
11:23<amphi>I certainly have no idea what 'WLM 2009' is
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11:23<cthuluh>same here
11:23<ex0>windows live messenger ¿?
11:24<cthuluh>you have free alternatives
11:24<ex0>only I wanna try
11:25<ex0>I'm using emesene.. when I try to change my display picture it crashes ..
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11:26<dbldtx>ex0; are you using winetricks script with Wine?
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11:27<ex0>dbldtx, yep
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11:28<dbldtx>ex0; good luck.
11:28<ex0>dbldtx, why?
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11:30<dbldtx>ex0; I was going to suggest dotnet[2 or 3].0 and maybe some other particularly windowslive-y winetricks entries... but I'm sure you've thought of that, as you said you ARE using winetricks. If you weren't I was going to tell you about it. You're probably 8x better at Linux than I am anyway. Thus I can help you not much more than I have tried aka good luck!
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11:32<ex0>dbldtx, im not expert at linux
11:32<ex0>dbldtx, xd
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11:36<sisk>What would cause a system to default to tty4 instead of tty1 on boot?
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11:47<ironm>salut qq-
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11:57<qq->ironm, hey
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12:08<ironm>qq-, is there a new version of live build ?
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12:09<qq->ironm, ask there ..
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12:10<ironm>I will check it with apt-cache policy ...
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13:09<mib_u04slk>Hey, i need help.
13:10<ex0>mib_u04slk, what happend?
13:10<muep>ask a question, get help
13:11<mib_u04slk>My usb harddrive + stick doesnt work at all.
13:12<mib_u04slk>Get error code about connecting.
13:12<mib_u04slk>wanna see through teamwiever?
13:12<mib_u04slk>or remote?
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13:12<ex0>mib_u04slk, what is the format of the harddrive?
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13:13<mib_u04slk>NTFS i think
13:13<mib_u04slk>But worked fine, yesterday at Debian.
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13:14<ex0>mib_u04slk, what error you got? (bad english sry)
13:14<mib_u04slk>im bad english too, sec ->
13:15<mib_u04slk>Incorrect Plunggin/addon.
13:16<ex0>mib_u04slk, fdisk -l as root¿?
13:16<mib_u04slk>heh, im new at linux so? :D
13:17<mib_u04slk>fdisk -I what that does mea?
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13:17<ex0>mib_u04slk, L
13:17<ex0>mib_u04slk, L lowercase
13:17<ex0>mib_u04slk, wtf u speak spanish XDDDD???
13:17<mib_u04slk>no :D English/finnish ;D
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13:18<ex0>mib_u04slk, okok .. eem "fdisk -l" as root in a terminal
13:20<f8l>mib_u04slk: I suggest changing font to one that will make 1, |, l and I distinguishable. ;-)
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13:20<ex0>mib_u04slk, L lowercase ..
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13:21<mib_u04slk>fdisk what mean ? Finddisk? :D
13:21<ex0>mib_u04slk, i have no idea -.-
13:21<mib_u04slk>have msn?
13:22<imganquan>hi all. I need help. how to make my windows partition writable after I mount these partitions by click at the side pane of nautilus.
13:22<mib_u04slk>so them we down have to spam here :D
13:22<ex0>imganquan, ntfs-3g
13:22<ex0>imganquan, you tried it?
13:22<imganquan>ex0: thank you. i'll try immediately
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13:22<ex0>imganquan, apt-get install ntfs-3g, then "fdisk -l" to know where is your hdd
13:23<imganquan>ex0: OK. you really a good man. thanks
13:23<ex0>imganquan, after install ntfs-3g you should get no errors executing "modprobe ntfs-3g"
13:23<ex0>imganquan, sry for bad english im trying to help you
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13:24<imganquan>ex0: Thank you! After I installed ntfs-3g, I can write to my windows partition now, thank you my good friend.
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13:26<ex0>imganquan, you're welcome
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13:29<ex0>Lauriitah, Hi.. you speak spanish?
13:29<ex0>te equivocaste de canal
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13:29<ex0>deberias entrar en debian-es para soporte en español
13:30<ex0>Lauriitah, necesitas ayuda
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14:04<dominick>Hi! I just installed squeeze on my lenovo G550. I initialised audio by saying "alsactl init" and the sound works fine. Anyways, when I connect my headphones, the sound still comes from the laptop speakers. how do i fix it?
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14:10<cahoot>possibly by giving some option to the module
14:10<cahoot>look in /usr/share/doc/alsa
14:11<dominick>cahoot, actually, I figured the sound is coming in both the speaker and the headphones!
14:12<cahoot> /usr/share/doc/alsa-base/driver/HD-Audio.txt
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14:13<jordanm>dominick: you can mute the speaker volume while keeping the headphone volume on, but I do not know of a way to do that automatically
14:13<dominick>jordanm, can you tell me how to mute the speker only!
14:14<jordanm>dominick: alsamixer. most likely "line out" and "headphone" volumes there
14:14<jordanm>try muting line-out
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14:14<jordanm>or gnome-mixer
14:15<dominick>jordanm, in both, I have only Master and PCM under playback!
14:16<jordanm>are you running pulseaudio?
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14:18<dominick>jordanm, no! Alsa! "alsactl init"
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14:28<jhutchins_lt2>dominick: Might be as simple as using alsamixer to enable/turn up the headphone.
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14:29<dominick> jhutchins_lt2, as i said, alsamiser has only two controls, master and PCM and no other controls
14:29<jhutchins_lt>dominick: So I see. Lag.
14:30<jhutchins_lt>dominick: Well, you could see if there are other options for your chipset. If the channels don't show up it's usually a driver issue.
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14:31<dominick>i'm looking for the model= option for my sound card. You can help me if you know. "cat /proc/asound/card0/codec#3 | grep Codec" gives "Codec: Intel G45 DEVIBX"
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14:35<bl3k>got jits?
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14:42<salahuddin66>dominick: check the interface (try f5) that will show other control in alsamixer.
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14:43<cahoot>dominick: try cat /proc/asound/card0/code* | grep Codec to get hold of the exact chipset
14:43<dominick>cahoot, I have pasted the output! scroll up!
14:43<cahoot>not #3
14:44<dominick>there is no card0. there's card1 and card3
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14:48<dominick>cahoot, it gives two: "Codec: Conexant ID 5069" and "Codec: Intel G45 DEVIBX"
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14:56<dominick>When I pass the model= option, does the module take effect immediately? I haven't noticed any difference!
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14:58<ex0>Recordmydesktop run too slow! I have a x1600xt ATI with fglrx drivers non free..
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15:00<ex0>Guest881, necesitas ayuda?
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15:01<Guest881>me pasa algo cuando abro internet se me oscureze la pantalla
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15:03<jacks_lt>dubble click on audio cd, audio cd is not mountable :/
15:03<jacks_lt>I can play it in vlc
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15:03<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
15:04<ex0>Recordmydesktop run too slow! I have a x1600xt ATI with fglrx drivers non free..
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15:08<bremner>so if lsusb shows a device attached which isn't, is there anything short of a reboot to fix that? Reload the usbcore module?
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15:22<Serguei>Hello there :)
15:23<Serguei>looking for help about wifi dongle configuration
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15:25<Serguei>Anyone around ?
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15:27<abrotman>just ask your question, someone will answer if the yknlow
15:27<abrotman>they know
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15:28<jhutchins_lt>bremner: Possibly re-attach the device and then dismount it properly before you remove it.
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15:29<bremner>jhutchins_lt: i tried reattching it, then it showed up twice! anyway, I realized it was faster just to reboot, especially with a usb keyboard.
15:30<Serguei>ok ....the dongle is recognized with ndiswrapper but I don't see it with iwconfig
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15:30<Serguei>lsusb gives me Bus 002 Device 002: ID 0846:4230 NetGear, Inc. MA111(v2) 802.11b Wireless [SIS SIS 162]
15:32<semifor>received the following error doing apt-get dist-upgrade to squeeze:
15:32<ex0>Recordmydesktop run too slow! I have a x1600xt ATI with fglrx drivers non free..
15:33<zeus_>Hi all, can anyne help me with iptables on sqeeze i'm running a configuration bash script. It works ok under lenny. The new netfilter version give me a strange error.
15:36<slush>you need to put the ! before the -d
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15:37<slush>zeus_: if you had read carefully, you could've solved that one yourself
15:38<zeus_>slush: i have read it ... but what sense has this behaviour ? It sounds to me foolish
15:38<slush>ask the netfilter dev's
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15:40<king>anyone mind lending a noob a hand?
15:41<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
15:42<king>i am getting an error message "cannot mount volume; invalid mount option" when i try to use my external hard drive
15:42<jhutchins_lt>king: So fix your options.
15:42<jhutchins_lt>king: If you don't tell us what options you specified, we're not going to know which one is wrong.
15:43<king>how do i do that, it automounts itself so i'm not sure how to edit it
15:43<king>i just plugged it in and the message came up
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15:46<king>could it be a bad format?
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15:51<ex0>Recordmydesktop run too slow! I have a x1600xt ATI with fglrx drivers non free..
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15:57<slush>dpkg: tell ex0 about ask
15:57<slush>king: what kind of drive is it
15:58<ex0>slush, wtf?
15:58<slush>ex0: you make a statement, you don't ask anything.
15:58<king>its a sata external hard drive, it used to be inside an old laptop of mine, bet then the laptop got smashed and i put it in a houseing
15:59<king>it worked on my old ubuntu partition, and it works on my knoppix computer
15:59<ex0>Recordmydesktop run too slow! I have a x1600xt ATI with fglrx drivers non free.. how can I record my desktop easily and faster?
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16:02<jhutchins_lt>king: There's a group you need to be a member of...
16:03<jhutchins_lt>king: plugdev
16:03<jhutchins_lt>king: As I recall the error message doesn't point to that at all.
16:04<king>cool, i'll look into it
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16:17<default0>installed debian second time in about 1 week, and this time i only need to open one gui root only program with a password...and after that all root programs open without asking?
16:17<default0>doesnt seem to time out
16:18<default0>is this new in the update or something? also can not find a all black theme that was in it before
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16:22<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
16:22<Laa>a enga
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16:24<Laa>Speak Spanish or English?
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16:24<Laa>good how are you
16:25<hankoner>fine :P
16:25<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
16:25<Laa>to by the way I speak Spanish but English is also spoken
16:26<Laa>I'm glad
16:27<Laa>how boring
16:27<Laa>you going?
16:27<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
16:28<@Ganneff>dont chat in here, this is support only
16:28<hankoner>oh sorry i just opened XChat and now i am here
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16:32<Laa>eh! Got a problem?
16:33<Laa>hello afurlan
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16:33<@Ganneff>Laa: stop it in here. goto #debian-offtopic or #moocows
16:34<Laa>There is not a Spanish
16:34<dpkg>Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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16:35<Laa>mercutio22 !!
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16:52<ex0>Recordmydesktop run too slow! I have a x1600xt ATI with fglrx drivers non free.. how can I record my desktop easily and faster?
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16:54<davekong>Is there something wrong with the sid mirrors?
16:54<mercutio22>Laa hello
16:54<abrotman>that's not a Debian mirror
16:55<abrotman>davekong: ^^
16:55<abrotman>or not official anyway
16:55<davekong>ahh... so what do I do?
16:55<davekong>email the debian-sparc list?
16:56<abrotman>ask #debian-sparc ?
16:56<davekong>did that :)
16:57<noesc>anyone here that knows of a specific "ssh" channel? Tried google but nothing that seems 'official' turned up
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16:58<abrotman>noesc: #openssh on freenode
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16:59<king>i'm haveing trouble adding myself to the plugdev group, how exactly do i do that
16:59<noesc>I guessed something like that but I might have done some wierd googling.
16:59<abrotman>king: man adduser
17:00<king>something came up, what now?
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17:01<[e0f]>king: read and find option that you need
17:02<crazyb0y>king: try using "usermod
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17:03<[e0f]>king: usermod -a -G user group
17:04<king>i appear to not know enough about terminal well enough, it won't let me just type, an buttons seem to be doing random things, i feel very lost
17:04<crazyb0y>king: listen to [e0f] =)
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17:05<king>i would listen if i understood
17:05<crazyb0y>king: what is your username ?
17:05<king>do i type in 'usermod' because i can't
17:06<[e0f]>and yes, type this command from root (or use sudo)
17:06<crazyb0y>king: Open a new terminal, after that "sudo usermod -a -G brinkley plugdev"
17:07<king>the terminal just threatened me
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17:08<king>it asked for my password but rejected it
17:08<crazyb0y>king: maybe it ask you for your root password, not the user password =)
17:09<king>i put in the root password
17:09<crazyb0y>so put the user password =)
17:09<vook>kind probably isn't a sudoer
17:09<king>yeah, thats what it keeps saying, how do i become a sudoer
17:10<cthuluh>nc localhost 2000
17:10<vook>king: you need to become root. to do this, type 'su -'
17:10<cthuluh>fail :P
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17:10<crazyb0y>king: use "su" and "visudo"
17:10<vook>then edit /etc/sudoers using 'visudo' (or nano if you must)
17:11<cthuluh>visudo should pick up nano if EDITOR is not set
17:11<cthuluh>you should never edit the sudoers file directly
17:12<king>okay, after i did 'su -', i typed in sudo usermod -a -G plugdev and it said that 'user pludev does not exist'
17:13<king>i put in my username of course
17:13<crazyb0y>king: "usermod -a -G brinkley plugdev"
17:13<king>i did that, it isn't working
17:13<crazyb0y>king: paste what is says
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17:14<king>usermod: user plugdev does not exist
17:14<ompaul>king: do this please>> cat /etc/group | grep plug
17:14<[e0f]>king: show what you type
17:15<[e0f]>before this output
17:16<king>'/ect/group' ... i'm not to sure exactly what that should be
17:16*[e0f] doesn't belive that it was correct
17:16<ex0>Recordmydesktop run too slow! I have a x1600xt ATI with fglrx drivers non free.. how can I record my desktop easily and faster?
17:16<ompaul>king: please read that again >> cat /etc/group | grep plug
17:16<king>it was correct, i did it 7 times
17:16<ompaul>king: etc not anything else
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17:18<king>what directory on my computer is supposed to be /ect/group
17:18<vook>e t c
17:18<vook>not e c t
17:19*crazyb0y thinks this is not true =)
17:19<ompaul>king: I can't help you if you don't do exactly what you have been asked, nor can anyone else here, ( crazyb0y you may have a point )
17:19<king>hmm, okay i got somewhere, please bare with me here
17:20<vook>there you go now, we're all counting you.
17:20<king>thats what it sais now
17:20<ompaul>king: so you are in the group plugdev
17:20<king>am i good to go?
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17:20<crazyb0y>king: yes your user is in this group now
17:21<king>let me formally thank all you ladies/gentlemen for all your help
17:21<vook>I just want to say good luck, we're all counting you
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17:21<king>your faith my be misplaced, but you shall see me again. catch ya later
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17:22<Webmind-org>few, that went okay........
17:22<crazyb0y>hehe =)
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17:23<johny__>Hello all, I had a quick question regarding .xinitrc and setting up dwm with it. Should I just have the line "exec dwm" within the ~/.xinitrc file? Because when I reboot to see the changes, I am given the standard terminal login, and I still have to type 'startx' to load up dwm. This isn't right, is it?
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17:24<vook>johny__: if you are booting into runlevel 2, this is correct.
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17:25<johny__>I have no clue what that is haha, I have been using Linux for about 2 years now so I'm still learning
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17:25<vook>johny__: if you'd like a graphical login, you'll need to install some thing like gdm, xdm, ?ddm?...
17:25<king>hey guys, um, my HD still isn't mounting
17:26<johny__>Yes I know about that. I was using Xfce with the xdm login manager, but I am giving a tiling window manager, and I'm trying to use xinitrc along with it
17:27<bremner>xsession works fine with startx btw.
17:28<bremner>johny__: and yeah. you need to either run startx, or install a display manager
17:28<johny__>Okay so just typing startx every time is normal?
17:28<vook>johny__: it's a good way to go, if it doesn't bother you.
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17:29<bremner>it depends how often you log in. On the other hand, installing xdm does not use that much resources
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17:31<johny__>Yeah that's true, but I was trying to display some information up in the status bar of dwm through the .xsession file, and when I logged in, it was causing /usr/bin/X to run at about 50% CPU usage for some reason
17:31<johny__>I'm on an Eee PC so I do login often when turning on and shutting down
17:32<king>did i cut out too early a moment ago, because i'm still haveing that problem
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17:32<abrotman>which problem ?
17:33<king>my external HD can't be mounted
17:33<king>i joined plugdev, but it isn't doing anything
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17:33<vook>king: so, this is a usb drive ?
17:34<vook>do you have a filesystem on this drive ?
17:34<johny__>But just to clarify this for myself, when I login through the terminal and type 'startx' then xinitrc is doing exactly what it should be doing, right?
17:34<bremner>umm. What is it doing?
17:34<king>no, its just storage
17:35<vook>king: type 'dmesg | grep sd'
17:36<abrotman>king: did you look in dmesg for an error ?
17:36<vook>look for something near the bottom that says sda or sdb
17:36<king>whoa, uh, ok, what now
17:36<abrotman>put it in a pastebin .. show us what's going on
17:37<king>[ 0.000000] Command line: root=/dev/sda1 ro quiet
17:37<king>[ 0.000000] Kernel command line: root=/dev/sda1 ro quiet
17:37<king>[ 5.967195] Driver 'sd' needs updating - please use bus_type methods
17:37<king>[ 5.967296] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] 156301488 512-byte hardware sectors (80026 MB)
17:37<king>[ 5.967311] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect is off
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17:38<king>did i do that right, i got kicked
17:39<davekong>king: you didn't do it right
17:39<vook>no king, go to and paste it there, then give us the link
17:39<king>what did i screw up
17:39<davekong>king: read the topic
17:39<vook>one shalt not paste into the channel
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17:43<vook>ok king, you have three partitions on the external drive. Which would you like to mount and what type of filesystem is it ? 'fdisk -l /dev/sdb'
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17:44<king>er, i had no idea it had three partitions. it uses to usb ports and comes up as two drives, and i have icons for both of them, i would like to mount them
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17:45<vook>you may do a new pastebin using the content of 'fdisk -l /dev/sdb'
17:46<king>bash: fdisk: command not found
17:46<king>i ell dumb
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17:46<vook>ops, you must sudo it. please do not feel dumb.
17:47<vook>you are just new
17:47<crazyb0y>vook: his user is not in the sudoers =)
17:48<davekong>If I am reporting errors to a mailing list I should probably inline them and not send a pastebin link right?
17:48<vook>ok king, hang with me.
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17:48<king>i'm pastebinning it now
17:48<vook>king: type 'su -' (no quotes)
17:49<vook>then type 'visudo'
17:50<bremner>davekong: unless they are very large, yes
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17:51<vook>king - it is imperative that you become a sudoer. To mount /dev/sdb2 and /dev/sdb3, you will need to install ntfs-3g
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17:52<king>ok, well, i'v got visudo up
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17:54<vook>king: ok. see where is says "root ALL=(ALL) ALL". go down to that line using the arrow keys and hit the 'd' key twice (the line will disappear). then hit the 'u' key to undo what you have done. You have now placed that line in the clipboard.
17:54<vook>then arrow down one line and hit a CAPITAL P
17:55<vook>then type 'i', and arrow around and modify the second root line so that it says your username instead of root.
17:55<king>um, when i press the d key, it justs types d
17:55<crazyb0y>vook: it uses nano
17:55<vook>you ptobably have nano
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17:56<vook>just hit enter below that line to create a new line, and then duplicate what you see on the above line, but change root to your username.
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17:57<vook>crazyb0y: you may need to take it from here, I don't remember how to save in nano.
17:58<vook>I think is ctrl-x
17:58<crazyb0y>yes Ctrl+X and after this CAPITAL "Y"
17:58<crazyb0y>after this ENTER =P
18:01<semifor>After ugrading to Squeeze, on reboot the display switches modes and goes blank. In the blind, I log in and startx, which works. Exiting X gets me a visible console. Wondering how to fix this?
18:02<king>well, hitting d just types the letter d, it doesn't delete anything
18:02<crazyb0y>king: listen to vook what tells you
18:02<vook>king: yes, d won't do anything in nano. My mistake.
18:03<king>then what shoul i do then
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18:03<crazyb0y>00:51 < vook> just hit enter below that line to create a new line, and then duplicate what you see on the above line, but change root to your username.
18:04<vook>in nano, you can simply edit - just duplicate the line that says root ALL=(ALL) ALL
18:04<king>you don't need to repeat yourselves, thr lines don't disappear when i read them...
18:05<king>brinkley ALL=(ALL) ALL
18:05<king>that right?
18:05<vook>yes, that's it
18:05<king>what now?
18:06<vook>now hold down ctrl and x, then hit they y key
18:07<king>cool, now thats done
18:07<abrotman>just to use sudo? why not just use root?
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18:08<king>should i be able to mount it now or is there more i shoul do
18:09<vook>king: you may need to install the ntfs module 'sudo modprobe ntfs'
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18:10<vook>king: then you may install ntfs-3g 'aptitude install ntfs-3g', the module may not be necessary, I do not remember.
18:12<king>Reading package lists... Done
18:12<king>Building dependency tree
18:12<king>Reading state information... Done
18:12<king>Reading extended state information
18:12<king>Initializing package states... Done
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18:14<king>i'm on to something...
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18:15<king>sweet, im all over this drive, thank you all again
18:18<king>you have not seen the last of me...
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18:42<k-man>since upgrading to squeeze, i get this error from mysqldump: mysqldump: Got error: 1044: Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' to database 'information_schema' when using LOCK TABLES
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18:42<k-man>any ideas how to fix that?
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19:14<blackmamba>hello can anyone offer any advice for an openbox user trying to get dual screens working properly? i have the nvidia drivers installed and its set to twinview, which is working fine, except nitrogen keeps crashing when i tey to set a wallpaper for my second screen. i have used xrandr before and it works quite nicely to manage all desktops but how can i fix this when nvidia takes over? any help is greatly appreciated.
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19:24<cozminsky>anyone know why the APT::Update::Post-Invoke-Success command isn't run if you do apt-get update from cron?
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19:28<semifor>Can you change console resolution on a running system? (Rather than just with vga= kernel option at boot)
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19:32<blackmamba>hello can anyone offer any advice for an openbox user trying to get dual screens working properly? i have the nvidia drivers installed and its set to twinview, which is working fine, except nitrogen keeps crashing when i tey to set a wallpaper for my second screen. i have used xrandr before and it works quite nicely to manage all desktops but how can i fix this when nvidia takes over? any help is greatly appreciated.
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20:17<edbian>How can I delete all my compiz settings? All that's in .compiz is some session file?
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20:20<default0>gnome asks for root password once when opening a root program, then neglects to require a password for programs after that... anyone know whats going on or how to change to needing password?
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20:21<default0>its just like this from install, dont think i did anything, which is weird because i didnt have this issue when installed a wweek ago
20:21<default0>dont see it on google, or dont know how to phrase it
20:22<abrotman>default0: it caches it for like 30 minutes or so
20:22<default0>ok, is that new?
20:22<abrotman>uhm .. not sure ..
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20:23<default0>do you know where to edit the setting?
20:23<edbian>default0, Sudo (as well as gksudo) caches the password for about 15 minutes I think
20:23<edbian>Additionally you can tell it to remember for the rest of the session
20:24<default0>ok, seemed it didn't do this when i installed from same cd a week ago, thought the net updates might have changed
20:24<default0>this is just gui programs, it asks for a root passwd only the first time, haven't checked how long it lasts
20:25<default0>seemed like over 15 mins
20:25<abrotman>perhaps one uses gksu and another gksudo
20:26<edbian>default0, I think you can change it by putting something in /etc/sudoers
20:26<default0>maybe i just checked something on the user/pw screen by accident
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20:26<default0>i haven't added myself to sudoers yet
20:27<default0>so the gui user/pw login mustn' require
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20:31<default0>anyway i was stupid sorry, nm
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20:59<default0>anyone know where the graphic for buttons is (the Applications, Places, etc plus the window tabs use one i want to change to just black)
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21:01<abrotman>/usr/share/pixmaps/ or something lik ethat
21:01<abrotman>/usr/share/icons/ .. whatever
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21:06<default0>changed the gnome menu icon in share/icons/gnome/22x22/place/start-here.png but cant find the button background in there
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21:23<default0>gnome-background-pattern.png is in /usr/share/pixmaps but changing that has done zero, anyone know where the background for buttons (window tabs, App,Place,Sys menus..) ?
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21:26<bremner>default0: basically, you should not edit files in /usr, except /usr/local
21:27<bremner>default0: that is what the package manager is for
21:28<bremner>default0: the google keywords you are looking for are "gnome theme", I believe.
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21:29<default0>a package manager can't help this i dont think
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21:29<default0>its annoyance cos the black theme is good except the background of the buttons is an eyesore
21:30<default0>changed menu icon ok, but that half grey half transparent pic behind the butons i cant find
21:31<default0>though pixelmaps/gnome-background-pattern.png looks like it changing it doesnt update it. do you know how to update the cache for /usr/share/pixelmaps?
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21:46<bodai>hi there.I never met a problem before like this
21:46<bodai>when I switch on ACPI on the bios the whole linux hangs on
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21:46<bodai>what would be wrong?
21:47<abrotman>is it an older or really new computer?
21:47<abrotman>(you might want to look for a BIOS update)
21:47<bodai>it is a really old pc
21:47<bodai>76 mhz
21:47<bodai>thank you so much
21:48<abrotman>you probably want to disable ACPI unless you really need it .. a lot of older computers had horrible ACPI implementatoins
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21:49<bodai>I use it with a program called motion.If acpi enabled,I can shut down safely,without to destroy any data
21:49<dondelelcaro>though a 76MHz machine will almost certainly burn more money in electricity in a week than it's worth...
21:50<abrotman>maybe it's a 75Mhz uhm .. ARM? :)
21:50<bodai>really?I supposed that it uses less electricity cause the low cpu speed
21:50<dondelelcaro>bodai: not if it's really old
21:50<bodai>no it is an intel stuff
21:51<abrotman>does the BIOS mention APM also ?
21:51<dondelelcaro>a modern 75MHz low-power processor is a totally differen beast than a 75MHz machine from the 90s.
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21:52<abrotman>bodai: is it really a Pentium 75Mhz ?
21:52<bodai>well, I didn't know that.
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21:53<bodai>I use it for motion uses no hdd nor fan.the hdd replaced with a usb memory stick
21:55<bodai>I use a program called uses console,that's why the speed is not important.but if you say so that's a waste of electricity I going to replace it
21:57<bodai>so do you mean I have to upgrade that stuff?I supposed that the lower cpu uses less electricity
21:58<abrotman>if it runs on any platform, it'd be more cost effective in the long run to get a low power system .. arm or atom or something
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22:02*kop is enamored with zoneminder, but has never gotten around to using it.
22:03<bodai>motion is better I X server needed,that's why it uses less resources
22:06<jmarsden>bodai: You can fairly easily measure electrical power consumption, with a meter at the wall outlet. You can get a Killawatt P4400 for US$16 at ecost, for example.
22:06<kop>bodai: Near as I can tell zoneminder does not need X either, but it does more than just motion detection so may be more resource intensive.
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22:10<bodai>is it possible to measure amper from the outlet than A*V=W?
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22:13<bodai> finally I found an arm pc :)
22:14<bodai>well thank you so much for your help
22:15<bodai>have a nice day
22:15<abrotman>make sure your app works on arm
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22:15<abrotman>or run away
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22:23<k-man>so i'm trying to get distcc working in squeeze, but i think there is abug
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22:31<k-man>what is the key on dell machines to get to the bios?
22:32<k-man>any idea?
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22:32<abrotman>google is probably a better person to ask ?
22:32<abrotman>esc? f1? f10? f12?
22:33<abrotman>depends on the age of the machine .. lots of stuff
22:33<abrotman>f2? insert? ctrl-alt-f1/ins .. so many choices!
22:33<abrotman>oh wait .. it might even be the BIOS on the floppy!
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22:48<default0>hm can i download newer Pidgin with apt-get somehow?
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22:49<abrotman>which version of debian do you have?
22:50<default0>the latest, well downloaded on cd a few weeks ago
22:50<abrotman>which version of pidgin do you currently have?
22:50<mattcen>default0: The latest stable, testing or unstable?
22:50<abrotman>default0: apt-cache policy pidgin .. which version is 'Installed' ?
22:51<default0>2.4.3 pidgin
22:51<mattcen>(lsb_release -a will show you your debian version)
22:51<abrotman>judd: versions pidgin
22:51<judd>Package pidgin on i386 -- etch-backports: 2.4.3-4lenny5~bpo40+1; lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny7; lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny8; lenny-backports: 2.7.3-1~bpo50+2; squeeze: 2.7.3-1+squeeze1; sid: 2.7.5-1
22:51<abrotman>!tell default0 about bpo
22:51<abrotman>default0: read the instructions there
22:51<default0>5.0.6 lenny
22:52<default0>so on backports i can download 2.7.3 ?
22:52<default0>once added to the server list how do i dl that version?
22:52<abrotman>there are instructions on the website
22:53<default0>ok, i did before but forgot, how do i uninstall current pidgin?
22:53<default0>just apt-get uninstall?
22:53<default0>or purge something?
22:53<abrotman>there are instructions on the website
22:53<abrotman>you don't hyave to uninstall it
22:54<default0>ah ok
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