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00:39<hase>Noob question. Is there a difference between waiting for the stable squeeze and installing squeeze testing then updating when it's reached stable?
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00:43<doubledutch>Hase; Nope. Unless you use words like "testing" and "stable" in your sources.list
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00:43<doubledutch>Hase; using words like Lenny and Squeeze instead will ensure that things work the way you've proposed they will.
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02:22<king>odd problem mounting external hard drive, i was on here yesterday and thought i had the problem solved but after i restarted my computer the problem has reappeared
02:22<king>i made myself a sudoer...
02:22<king>...and installed the ntfs thing
02:23<king>then i could mount the drive, now i can't and i don't remember if anything i did yesterday could fix that again
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02:34<vook>king: have you yet install ntfs-3g ? 'aptitude install ntfs-3g'
02:36<vook>I was just thinking about you actually king - wondering how you are holding up, hehe.
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02:38<king>yeah, i installed it and was all over that drive earlier, now i'v turned my computer off and on again and i can't mount it now
02:38<king>i think my debian install may have been buggy, but i'm not sure what could be a real problem or just my own greenness
02:39<vook>oh well, there is your answer king. install ntfs-3g. then type 'ntfs-3g --help' you'll probably need to make a directory in mount for the drive 'mkdir /mnt/windoze'. then you will need to use a commmand like 'ntfs-3g /dev/sdb2 /mnt/windoze/' with ntfs-3g, you can write as well - maybe a good idea, writing to that ntfs drive with this somewhat unstable proggy.
02:39<vook>then maybe you'll be able to corrupt and destroy it. don't boot me please, just being honest.
02:40<king>why would i boot you, i only understood about half of what you said
02:41<king>why would i destroy something, is something wrong with my system
02:41<vook>that wasn't intended for you king, you can't boot me, but a channel op can for giving advise that may destroy data, like windoze.
02:41<king>what is windoze exactly
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02:42<vook>windoze is slang for MicRo$0Ft w1nD0Ze
02:42<ompaul>a pet name for one of microsoft's products, the pet is considered bad when that spelling is used.
02:43<king>i made a pact to never use any microsoft product ever again if i could help it
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02:43<king>so, what is my problem here, if i havn't let it go over my head
02:44<vook>time to copy all of the needed data from that that ntfs partition to linux, then wipe it out, then reformat that usbdrive with ext4
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02:44<king>well... since debian is the only one haveing trouble mounting it, i have an idea...
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02:45<Guest1055>Hi guys, can anyone spare some time to tell me how this thing works
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02:45<vook>sudo mkdir /mnt/windoze1 /mnt/windoze2 && ntfs-3g /dev/sdb2 /mnt/windoze1 && ntfs-3g /dev/sdb3 /mnt/windoze2
02:45<king>...i'll try livebooting puppy linux, mounting my external, mounting my comps hd and then switching with that, does that sound cosher?
02:45<Guest1055>as in if there is someone whome i want to talk to, how do i do that
02:46<king>just start asking away dude
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02:47<Guest1055>this thing came bundled with my os, and there is this guy to whom i want t caonvey some info
02:47<Guest1055>and pass a file alongwith
02:47<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
02:47<dpkg>well, ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance, packaged for Debian. Usage examples: . Ask me about <user accessible ntfs>.
02:50<devil>Guest1055: this thing?
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02:51<king>well, i'm gonna try useing a livebooted os that i know can mount my external hd and use it to transfer the files, i think i managed to do tha once before
02:52<king>i tried reinstalling ntfs-3g
02:52<king>my computer sais it already has it
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02:53<vook>king: very well, then just mount the drive. 'sudo ntfs-3g /dev/sdb2 /mnt/windoze'
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02:54<vook>if step one has already been completed, proceed to step 2.
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02:56<king>its telling me to shut down windows, i'm kind of confused here
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02:56<king>i don't have windows on this thing
02:57<king>what the heck is windoze?
02:57<vook>king: windoze is Microsoft Windows
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02:58<king>so, since i don't have windows it saia i can force it to mount, what is the danger in doing that
02:58<vook>no danger - but use ntfs3g, not just ntfs. ntfs-3g is safer.
02:58<king>ok, here goes nothing...
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03:01<king>k, its mounted now, does debian come with a program that can format in ext3? and can windows or mac mount ext3?
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03:02<vook>mac can mount (read only) ext2 ext3 or ext4
03:02<devil>and ntfs ==>ext3? no way :)
03:03<vook>you can create filesystems using mkfs.ext4 (or gparted).
03:03<king>so i can still use this on other systems just fine (except for mac which is read only)
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03:04<vook>In Windows, you can write to ext3 - not sure about ext4
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03:05<vook>by the way, you have Windows on your system, it's just not Microsoft Windows. It's ~ <--means "about" It's ~X Windows, actually
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03:08<king>so, after the data is copied, how do i format my external HD, is there command line code for it or do i need to install a program
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03:10<vook>king: after all the data is copied, you can create big filesystem on the drive by simply typing 'sudo mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdb'. No need for seperate partitions unless you intend on using the drive for something other than storage (like an external boot drive).
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03:11<king>so i can merge the 3 different 'drives' on my external, it just they way it came with my old laptop
03:12<vook>king: after all the data is copied, you can go ahead and wipe the drive - not a bad idea. 'sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb' it'll take a while, half hour or so.
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03:14<vook>that'll change all of the bits on the drive to zeroes. All a computer is is one crazy complex mathematical equation. The equation changes with every passing second, every mouse gesture, every keystroke.
03:15<king>thats deep man, anything else i should know before i take off?
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03:16<king>cool. i might find myself here again, i plan on getting a linux+ certification soon (i'll have to get a windows A+ certification too to have job security) so i'll be bugging you guys from time to time
03:17<vook>A+ isn't windows - it even has some linux in it today.
03:17<king>oh, cool, but you know what i'm trying to say
03:17<vook>yep, farewell
03:18<king>keep it frosty
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03:28<meglaw>so, i popped my sqeeeze disk from one laptop into another, updated everything and configured, but ssh does not work, nmap sees it at up localy, but i cant get at it from the network, and im all out of ideas
03:28<mjt>the best way to discover open network ports locally is to use nmap.
03:28<mjt>what an excellent idea...
03:29<mjt>meglaw: there's netstat -a for you
03:29<mjt>meglaw: and for the problem at hand, how about your firewall rules?
03:30<meglaw>havent touched it
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03:34<meglaw>do you mean the firewall i have att the end of my network or something internal in debian mjt
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03:36<mjt>internal in debian
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03:41<mjt>meglaw: to be fair i don't know if debian installs firewall rules by default. But the thing is: it remembers the name of the NIC (network card) and when you move the image from one machine to another it finds another NIC (different ID etc), but if were there fw rules they still points to the old name, rejecting everything else.
03:41<mjt>meglaw: to find out, take a look at `ifconfig -a' and `iptables -L -v' output.
03:44<meglaw>ok.. i donno what im looking at in iptables..
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03:44<meglaw>i'll paste
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03:47<meglaw>LOL i just haddent noticed it i got a new ip, iv been trying .38 wile it got .36 llllllllllol
03:47<mjt>sure it got a new ip since it has different network card
03:47<mjt>ifconfig shows the IP address
03:48<meglaw>yeah i know, i just did not notice
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05:49<bAnDiTu>Support in romana in legatura cu Debian ?
05:50<bAnDiTu>Ma ajuta cineva va rog ?
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05:51<bAnDiTu>Support in romana in legatura cu Debian ?
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05:55<vook>is it possible to join a remote process or tty via a remote ssh connection (without using something like vnc) ? I.e. - could I load irssi on my server, and join the session via ssh ?
05:56<mariusv>vook: start irssi in screen
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05:58<bAnDiTu>romanian support ? please !
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05:59<dpkg>Pentru ajutor in limba romana va rugam vizitati #debian-ro pe Romanian users: for help in romanian, please visit #debian-ro on
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07:38<dupondje>I really need to find good groupware :( Funambol seems to be quite crap. Not even a Thunderbird plugin for 3.x :(
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08:00<Silicium01>I don't seem to be able to find packages ia32-libs and ia32-libs-gtk
08:00<Silicium01>Are they available in squeeze?
08:01<babilen>Silicium01: Yes, they are. Could you paste the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy ia32-libs ia32-libs-gtk" to ?
08:02<Silicium01>babilen, one moment
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08:07<Silicium02>btw, I noticed that packages have {a} in the end, is this normal?
08:07<babilen>Silicium02: well, you are running i386 and your libraries are therefore already 32bit.
08:08<babilen>There is not much point to ia32-libs on non-64bit architectures :)
08:08<babilen>Silicium02: Yes, they are {a}utomatically installed
08:08<Silicium02>babilen, am I? oh, I see
08:08<Silicium02>I somehow thought I had 64 bit version
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08:09<babilen>Silicium02: Output of "dpkg --print-architecture" ?
08:10<Silicium02>babilen, cool, thanks
08:11<babilen>no problem :)
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08:38<Dvorak_AJS>hellow I have a quick question, I ran a debian install and because my ethernet driver wasn't found they gave me a list to choose between drivers, didn't know what to pick so I chose nothing but now I want to install again and the installer gives me no choice what so ever
08:39<vook>Dvorak_AJS: what kind of ethernet chipset do you have ?
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08:39<Dvorak_AJS>it should be supported by the kernel (I looked up my netbook model)
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08:39<Dvorak_AJS>it's also not broken I just tested that
08:40<vook>which atheros chipset ?
08:40<babilen>but it is also not working?
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08:40<babilen>Dvorak_AJS: Do you have access to a Linux system on that hardware? If yes, paste "lspci -nn|grep -i ethernet" in here
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08:41<Dvorak_AJS>vook don't know the chipset, it's an asus eee 1001px
08:41<babilen>Dvorak_AJS: If you can't easily paste → I'm looking for the PCI ID at the end of that line → [1234:abcd] ←
08:42<Dvorak_AJS>ok i'm trying it
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08:43<Dvorak_AJS>01:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Attansic Technology Corp. Device [1969:1062] (rev c0)
08:43<vook>Dvorak_AJS: is the ath5k module loaded ? 'lsmod | grep ath5k
08:44<Dvorak_AJS>vook: returns nothing (does my quoting you work :p?)
08:44<babilen>,pciid 1969:1062
08:44<judd>[1969:1062] is 'AR8132 Fast Ethernet' from 'Atheros Communications' with kernel module 'atl1c' in lenny. See also
08:44<vook>no quotes - lsmod | grep ath5k. if nothing returns - modprobe ath5k then check iwconfig
08:44<vook>i mean ifconfig
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08:45<Dvorak_AJS>ifconfig only returns lo (the local I guess)
08:45<babilen>ath5k is for wireless chipsets
08:46<Dvorak_AJS>what am I supposed to do with judd's comment? or is that a bot?
08:46<babilen>Dvorak_AJS: Judd is a bot -- Give me a second
08:46<vook>i'm reading a thread regarding the 8132 and it says something about ath5k ??
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08:48<vook>maybe you need atl1c
08:48<babilen>Dvorak_AJS: It looks as if your NIC is supported by a 2.6.32 kernel -- But I am still looking for authorative information on that. You might want try the kmuto or a Squeeze installer.
08:48<dpkg>For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images.
08:48<babilen>!install squeeze
08:48<dpkg>Daily built <netinst> images to install <testing> are available from . The chance of the testing installer being broken on any given day is quite high, ask me about <today>. Instead, do a minimal installation using the stable installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Also ask me about <testing>, <apt-listchanges>, <d-d-a>.
08:48<gsimmons>Dvorak_AJS: Which Debian version did you install?
08:48<gsimmons>babilen: The AR8132 is supported in Debian stable since 5.0.5.
08:48<Dvorak_AJS>I am installing squeeze
08:49<babilen>gsimmons: Great, hence my digging for more information. Where did you find it?
08:49<gsimmons>babilen: atl1c factoid.
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08:49<babilen>why do i even use other sources :)
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08:49<Dvorak_AJS>I hope you guys aren't talking to me because I'm lost, but
08:50<Dvorak_AJS>:'Ethernet (Attansic, using the atl1c driver; presumed working) ' from the eeepc install debian
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08:50<Dvorak_AJS>so the atl1c driver should work (and should be in the kernel?) but he doesn't find it
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08:55<dpkg>atl1c is a driver for Atheros L1C PCI-E gigabit Ethernet (AR8131) and Fast Ethernet (AR8132) controllers, used in some laptop and netbook systems (e.g. Acer Aspire Timeline series, various Asus Eee PCs). Included in the mainline Linux kernel as of 2.6.29. The driver was backported and enabled in linux-2.6 2.6.26-22, ask me about <5.0.5>. See also <ar8151>, <ar8152>.
08:57<babilen>Dvorak_AJS: yes, the driver should work (in particular in Squeeze) -- do you use a weekly built?
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08:59<Dvorak_AJS>uhm I'm looking up where I got it, it should be the weekly squeeze built yes
08:59<Dvorak_AJS>from last week probably
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09:00<rpetre>besides the alestic guys, are there some more up-to-date debian images in ec2?
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09:08<babilen>Dvorak_AJS: Just to clarify: You downloaded the jigdo and tried installing Squeeze, but it is not working because your NIC is not correctly recognised and enabled?
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09:09<Dvorak_AJS>yes indeed
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09:10<Dvorak_AJS>I upgraded my BIOS already because that could cause the problem apparently
09:10<Dvorak_AJS>I'm also installing the new weekly build now to see if that helps
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09:10<babilen>Hmm - The kernel in squeeze should support that NIC
09:11<dpkg>atl1c is a driver for Atheros L1C PCI-E gigabit Ethernet (AR8131) and Fast Ethernet (AR8132) controllers, used in some laptop and netbook systems (e.g. Acer Aspire Timeline series, various Asus Eee PCs). Included in the mainline Linux kernel as of 2.6.29. The driver was backported and enabled in linux-2.6 2.6.26-22, ask me about <5.0.5>. See also <ar8151>, <ar8152>.
09:12<Dvorak_AJS>also I had problems following the install guide (copying the kernel myself doesn't work) so I'm using unetbootin , maybe that causes the trouble?
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09:14<babilen>Dvorak_AJS: You don't have to copy the kernel at all
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09:15<Dvorak_AJS>the vmlinuz and initrd files? it says so in the debian install guide :( (this guide is startin to anoy me, it's the second time an expert tells me I don't have to follow it :p)
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09:18<babilen>Dvorak_AJS: Ah, you choose "The flexible way" -- I've never tried that. Sorry that I jumped to conclusions. And you placed the Squeeze netinstall image on the stick as well? (Or rather: chose Debian Squeeze in unetbootin)
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09:19<babilen>You might want to consider using the kmuto images and upgrade to Squeeze after installing a minimal system
09:19<Dvorak_AJS>yes, I noticed that was needed after the unetbooting process, the easy way didn't work for me (found a workaround later so gonna try it once)
09:20<Dvorak_AJS>I didn't download a netinstall :s, where do I get the kmuto? wanna try that then
09:20<babilen>What was the problem with "The easy way" and what was the workaround?
09:20<Dvorak_AJS>ah yes I skipped the easy way because I wanted a full iso
09:20<dpkg>For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images.
09:20<babilen>Ah, forget that
09:20<Dvorak_AJS>uhm let me look through my history
09:21<Dvorak_AJS>you can put a full iso on it anyway?
09:21<babilen>Just use the normal Lenny images
09:21<Dvorak_AJS>the problem was a permission issue solved with a simple chmod
09:22<babilen>You basically just download the boot.img.gz, zcat it to the stick. Mount the stick, copy the Lenny 5.0.6 netinstall iso *file* to the stick, umount it, enable USB booting and reboot. You *might* have to make it bootable by executing "install-mbr /dev/sdX" (adjust X)
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09:23<Dvorak_AJS>I need more usb sticks to try everything out I want to :p, Do I use the 01660 (newest kernel?)
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09:24<babilen>Dvorak_AJS: Give me a minute to explain your options. This will make it easier to take a decision.
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09:26<babilen>You basically have 3 options: 1. Use Debian Lenny 5.0.6 2. Use kmuto's images with newer kernels 3. Use Squeeze images
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09:27<babilen>The first two options give you a well tested and stable debian-installer. The kmuto differs from the Lenny one in the fact that it contains a newer kernel, which eases the upgrade to Squeeze
09:27<babilen>The Squeeze option gives you a less tested d-i, which might actually cause problems on its own, but you don't have to upgrade to Squeeze afterwards.
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09:28<Dvorak_AJS>at the moment I downloaded the new squeeze weekly build (can't find the boot.img.gz tho, but that's not a problem I think because I use a program to make it a boot cd)
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09:28<Dvorak_AJS>if that doesn't work I try option 2
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09:30<babilen>Dvorak_AJS: You need the boot.img.gz in order to prepare the USB stick, so it loads the installer.
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09:30<babilen>If you follow "The easy way" and initrd.gz and vmlinuz if you follow "The flexible way"
09:31<babilen>You also need a netinstall image from
09:31<Dvorak_AJS>I changed it to i386 tho, or is that a bad thing?
09:31<Dvorak_AJS>also how do I know if a boot img and the iso are from the same type?
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09:32<babilen>Dvorak_AJS: No that is not a bad thing -- What do you mean by "same type" ?
09:32<babilen>Same architecture?
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09:33<Dvorak_AJS>I think kernel edition (got it from the install guide again)
09:33<babilen>You basically go to: and download the "netinst" image for i386 and then you download the USB files from the hd-media/ directory linked by "other images" (also for i386)
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09:34<|Frederik>When I configure ISC DHCPD to do failover and I start the primary while the secondary dhcpd is not available, dhcpd moves from from startup to recover, and then refuses to answer any dhcprequest. Is this expected that the primary does not work when the secondary is not available?
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09:39<Dvorak_AJS>the beta or weekly, they refer to another boot file right?
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09:41<smv>Dvorak_AJS, have a look at (# means that the commands need to be run as root, perhaps you might want to adjust and use sudo instead)
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09:43<babilen>smv: :-D
09:43<smv>Dvorak_AJS, beta in the name of the file is actualy reffering to the version of the installer. weekly/daily/whatever reffers to the version of the entire image, because is autogenerated
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09:46<Dvorak_AJS>while it's doing literally what you told me to, what does md5sum do? does it check the files or something?
09:47<smv>yup. it checks if it was downloaded corectly
09:48<Dvorak_AJS>and why the grep?
09:49<babilen>because you interested in the md5 sum for the file (and not all of them)
09:50<Dvorak_AJS>yes but it just checks if it's there for the user? because the program doesn't need you grepping it first, or maybe I should just ask, why the cat :p
09:51<babilen>Yes, useless use of cat "grep boot.img.gz MD5SUMS" would work as well
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09:53<Dvorak_AJS>I get 'gzip: boot.img.gz: invalid compressed data--crc error' while zcatting but it continues
09:54<babilen>and the md5 check succeeded?
09:55<Dvorak_AJS>it printed a message yes
09:55<smv>the idea was to get the md5 sum from the file on the disk, and compare it with the md5 sum of the file on the server. long time ago when i 'created' the 'tutorial' i didn't knew too much... :D
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09:56<smv>the output of the cat | grep thing should be identical to the one of the md5sum
09:56<Dvorak_AJS>hmm that doesn't seem to be the case
09:56<Dvorak_AJS>still gonna try if it boots
09:58<smv>now, if the md5 sums are not identical there atleast 2 reasons. the file changed on the server wile downloading, and it might be safe to check again later, or the file is somehow broken on the server, and the solution might be to download another version, or wait until will be regenerated on the server
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09:59<Dvorak_AJS>it boots up
09:59<Dvorak_AJS>but when I hit install it reboots my computer
09:59<Dvorak_AJS>lol I love linux
09:59<smv>i was about to say that i might not even boot :)
10:01<dupondje>who can we mail to make a freeze exception? Or do we need a bugreport for it ,
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10:03<smv>Dvorak_AJS, mind to paste the whole thing to pastebin?
10:04<Dvorak_AJS>what do you want to see pasted?
10:04<smv>the output of the md5 and grep commands mostly, but context would be useful too
10:05<Dvorak_AJS>dang deleted those to try everything again
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10:06<Dvorak_AJS>i'm going to try with the kmuto images
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10:11<dupondje>qwd: thanks!
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10:11<smv>Dvorak_AJS, it happend to me a few times, because downloading while the boot.img.gz was generated on the server. i just downloaded and checked. the md5 sums are identical on boot.img.gz. this time might work...
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10:13<Dvorak_AJS>hey, I just tried it again with the boot img and still different, can pastebin it now for you :)
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10:19<smv>Dvorak_AJS, sure, if you don't mind. i wonder what goes wrong there...
10:19<Dvorak_AJS>is loading for ages
10:19<Dvorak_AJS>with the kmuto install I get the same error
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10:21<Dvorak_AJS>"~/Bureaublad/debianinst$ cat MD5SUMS | grep boot.img.gz
10:21<Dvorak_AJS>55372205af706c51e52afbc36ba3f28f ./hd-media/boot.img.gz
10:21<Dvorak_AJS>~/Bureaublad/debianinst$ md5sum boot.img.gz
10:21<Dvorak_AJS>f337a3a0680cb890f846b5a3bff92dd4 boot.img.gz"
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10:22<Dvorak_AJS>lol copying in irc got me kicked
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10:27<smv>Dvorak_AJS, i'm sure that for some reason the boot.img.gz file you receive is broken, and yet the md5 sum in the MD5SUMs file is the correct one. i got the same md5 sum.
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10:29<Dvorak_AJS>okay so other source it is
10:29<Dvorak_AJS>downloading from
10:30<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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10:32<Dvorak_AJS>WhoIs qwd
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10:35<Zokudu>I'm having an issue installing building the fglrx-modules-dkms package so i can then build the fglrx driver
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10:36<Zokudu>It says Error! Bad return state for module build on kernel: 2.6.32-5-amd64
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10:37<devil>Zokudu: use m-a a-i. works more reliable
10:39<Zokudu>I just tried building with m-a and it failed again it is not giving me an error however
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10:39<Zokudu>it just said build of the package fglrx-modules-dkms failed!
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10:40<devil>Zokudu: m-a said, fglrx-modules-dkm failed?
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10:41<Zokudu>it brought up a text based GUI in the terminal and it just says it failed
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10:41<devil>Zokudu: i would delete fglrx-modules-dkm, install plain dkms, build with m-a a-i and add fglrx-source manualy to dmakms
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10:42<devil>Zokudu: sorry, gotta run
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10:42<Zokudu>what am i building with m-a plain dkms?
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10:45<chealer>Zokudu: no, you'd build fglrx
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10:46<Zokudu>aha that worked
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10:46<Zokudu>actually nevermind it didnt work =/
10:48<babilen>!fglrx m-a
10:48<dpkg>[fglrx m-a] For Lenny and Squeeze users. Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. Exit X / stop any <DM>, then as root: "aptitude install module-assistant && m-a a-i fglrx-source". After successful module compilation, "aptitude install fglrx-glx && modprobe -r radeon drm && aticonfig --initial".
10:48<babilen>!fglrx dkms
10:48<dpkg>[fglrx dkms] For Squeeze users. Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. Exit X / stop any <DM>, then as root: aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` fglrx-driver && modprobe -r radeon drm && aticonfig --initial
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10:48<babilen>Zokudu: Try one of these methods ^^^
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10:49<babilen>Zokudu: But I just want to note that "radeon" works perfectly and provides 3D acceleration as well if you are after that
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10:49<dpkg>[radeon] A brand of graphic processing units by ATI ( The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Squeeze users: ask me about <radeon firmware>. #radeon on See also <radeonhd>, <fglrx>.
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10:49<Zokudu>your going to hate me but it doesnt work properly when running world of warcraft under wine at least I havnt been able to get ti to work yet
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10:50<babilen>Zokudu: I am definitely not going to hate you. "it doesn't work" what is "it" ?
10:50<Zokudu>it doesnt start in OpenGL mode
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10:50<babilen>Zokudu: Note that you need to install additional firmware for radeon to work.
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10:51<Zokudu>!radeon firmware
10:51<dpkg>In Squeeze, binary-only firmware was removed from the radeon <DRM> driver at linux-2.6 2.6.29-1 (Debian bug #494009), now packaged separately in firmware-linux-nonfree. Without this package installed, poor 2D/3D performance in the <radeon> and <radeonhd> xorg drivers is commonly experienced. To acquire, ask me about <non-free sources>. This is not applicable to Lenny systems with the 2.6.26 kernel.
10:51<Zokudu>ill give that a shot than
10:51<babilen>Zokudu: Do you currently use radeon? If yes, please paste the output of "glxinfo|grep -i direct" in here
10:51<thrice>anyone good with dpkg? I'm trying to generate a list of explicitely installed packages
10:51<babilen>Zokudu: And make sure that you install the firmware first :)
10:52<babilen>thrice: You mean those that were not automatically installed as dependencies?
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10:52<thrice>yes, exactly
10:52<thrice>or I guess those that exist in the base system ?
10:53<babilen>thrice: "aptitude search '~i!\~M'" should do the trick
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10:54<babilen>err, make that: aptitude search '~i!~M'
10:55<Zokudu>is there a way to get those prompts without spamming the channel (I'm an IRC newb)
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10:55<thrice>hm, neat :> that seems to include the base system stuff too (example, udev)
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10:55<babilen>Yes, if you want a list of essential packages: "aptitude search ~E" →
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10:56<babilen>Zokudu: You can "/msg dpkg FACTOID"
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10:56<Zokudu>alright thank you
10:56<thrice>babilen, great document- thanks :> I've been focusing too closely on dpkg
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10:59<babilen>thrice: You can also install "aptitude-doc-CC" and use file:///usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s04s05.html in your browser (there are various languages available, the example is for CC=en)
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10:59<babilen>Zokudu: Do you have the firmware installed now? What does "glxinfo|grep -i direct" say?
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11:01<Zokudu>Direct Rendering : Yes
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11:02<babilen>Zokudu: Ah, could you paste the complete output of glxinfo? And does WoW work now?
11:02<Zokudu>WoW is indeed running
11:02<Zokudu>thank you
11:03<babilen>You are welcome. Have fun! Please note that fglrx *might* still be faster, so I would try that as well when you run into performance issues.
11:03<Zokudu>well this is just to goof off during class instead of taking notes >.> <.< I have a desktop for anything where i would need performance
11:03<Zokudu>But thank you again for your time
11:04<babilen>Wonderful, may you have a nice day.
11:04<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
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11:23<grummund>What's the best way to install packages on a memory constrained system (where aptitude will not run) ?
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11:27<babilen>grummund: What are you trying to achieve? Do you know about embedian?
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11:28<grummund>babilen: it's for a hosted vps server with only 64MB
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12:10<bremner>grummund: does apt-get run?
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12:35<dajhorn>grummund: Create a 512MB swap file (not a swap partition) and `swapon` it. If you don't have privileges to do this in the VPS, then you'll probably need to use a distro based on ipkg instead of dpkg.
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12:41<peterS>grummund: what he means is: dd bs=1M count=512 < /dev/zero > /swap0; mkswap /swap0; swapon /swap0; ... then add /swap0 to /etc/fstab as a swap file
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12:46<grummund>ok i'll try that
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12:48<grummund>swapon: /swap0: Operation not permitted ;-(
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13:05<grummund>apt-get update && apt-get upgrade --download-only -y && dpkg -Ri /var/cache/apt/archives/ && apt-get clean
13:05<grummund>seems to do the trick :)
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13:23<mark7>hello ez magyar csatorna,
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13:26<dpkg>i heard hu is Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a -t.
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13:29<mark7>dpkd kösz próbátam de nincs ott senki
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13:29<mark7>nem tudod melyik szerverre menjek?
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13:44<f0rk>!hu | mark7
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13:45<dpkg>i heard hu is Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a -t.
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13:50<rpetre>there's nobody in that channel, sadly :(
13:50<themill>is it on freenode?
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13:54<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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13:54<ludwig>one question about udev: I would like to retrieve a disk's SERIAL number. I know, this should be possible, somehow (as the serial number is part of /dev/disks/by-id/... scheme)
13:54<f0rk>oh, you speak english quite well
13:55<f0rk>ludwig: I usually use smartctl from smartmontools
13:55<f0rk>if it's a SATA disk
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13:56<ludwig>f0rk, the background: I want to have some disks join the same symlink
13:57<ludwig>f0rk, in the device tree
13:58<ludwig>as the serial of the disk is used (somehow) by udev for the /dev/disks/by-id/... magic, that attribute should somehow be accessible by udev -- how?
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13:59<ludwig>at least, udevadm info --names=/dev/sda --attribute-walk does not return it
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14:00<f0rk>don't know anything about /dev/disks/by-id/
14:00<f0rk>does `cat /proc/scsi/scsi` give you anything useful
14:00<rpetre>ludwig: the /lib/udev/path_id binary is invoked at some point, iirc, that one sets the variables
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14:02<rpetre>look at /lib/udev/rules.d/60-persistent-storage.rules for the gory details
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14:03<zl0ty>anyone could recommend good irc how-to?
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14:04<themill>!irc primer
14:04<dpkg>"A Short IRC Primer": . See also "The IRC Prelude":
14:04<zl0ty>!irc primer
14:04<themill>zl0ty: dpkg is a bot and has already said all it knows on the subject.
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14:05<zl0ty>those links are not working
14:05<zl0ty>could you recommend me something?
14:05<themill>bah... they were a while ago
14:05<ludwig>rpetre, thank You, it seems like if I found something
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14:07<rpetre>you're welcome
14:07<ex0_>Anybody can help me installing DOCKY on Debian lenny??
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14:07<f0rk>ex0_: have you tried the mailing list?
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14:07<ex0_>f0rk: mailing list?
14:08<f0rk>!mailing list
14:08<dpkg>Mailing lists allow large numbers of people in various time zones to share knowledge and experiences, these communications are also persistent. See . mbox archives are not provided via the web archive due to Listmaster team policy (BTS #161440), see <gmane>. For questions, join #debian-lists (OFTC) or e-mail See also <list spam> and <subscribed>.
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14:09<ex0_>f0rk: what's that ¿? Im asking for Docky (gnome-do) ..
14:09<sola>alguien abal español de aki
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14:09<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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14:10<ludwig>rpetre, thank You, it seems like if I found something
14:11<ex0_>I wanna install Docky (gnome-do) on Debian Lenny, Can anybody help me? I need some newer repositories..
14:11<themill>!es-social sola
14:11<dpkg>sola: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
14:11<ex0_>sola: Este canal es para soporte en inglés, ve al canal en español con: /join #debian-es
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14:12<ex0_>I wanna install Docky (gnome-do) on Debian Lenny, Can anybody help me? I need some newer repositories..
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14:16<zl0ty>anyone knows how to change way of appearing of new windows in fluxbox?
14:16<zl0ty>settings from their website does not work
14:17<zl0ty>i would like to make them appear in row
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14:18<zl0ty>now it is cascade, even though it "RowSmartPlacement"
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14:19<jhutchins_lt>zl0ty: fluxbox mailing list?
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14:21<zl0ty>thought somebody here will know
14:23<jhutchins_lt>zl0ty: Not a high density of fluxbox users unfortunately.
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14:47<ex0_>I wanna install Docky (gnome-do) on Debian Lenny, Can anybody help me? I need some newer repositories..
14:48<zl0ty>you mean official debian?
14:49<zl0ty>you can use sid repo, but its risky
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14:49<f0rk>ex0_: have you tried adding the repositories? /etc/apt/sources.list
14:50<lashtal>i cant find the list for what packages are on all the iso-cd's? is there even a way to know?
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14:50<ex0_>I added "us" repositories and I installed some dependencies
14:50<ex0_>When I try to compile docky I got "No package 'mono-options' found
14:51<ex0_>(bad english) ..
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14:52<f0rk>so which repos are you trying to use? pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
14:52<ex0_>f0rk: ¿?
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14:52<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <>, <wgetpaste>.
14:52<ex0_>f0rk: ok wait..
14:52<zl0ty>why do you need repositories, when you compile from source?
14:52<f0rk>ex0_: what is that square?
14:52<ex0_>f0rk: I think "return"
14:53<f0rk>am I sending those? or you?
14:53<ex0_>zl0ty: I need to install some dependencies..
14:54<zl0ty>how do you try to install gnome do? you use apt-get install gnome-do?
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14:54<zl0ty>it should fix dependencies...
14:54<ex0_>zl0ty: yes but it's a older version, not "docky"
14:55<zl0ty>and you try to compile it from source?
14:55<ex0_>zl0ty: yep
14:55<f0rk>have you tried adding the squeeze repos?
14:55<ex0_>f0rk: no, it's risky ¿?
14:55<f0rk>there's a bot factoid about this but I don't remember which
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14:55<zl0ty>then you need to read readme or something, what is needed
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14:55<ex0_>look ..
14:56<dpkg>Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. Ask me about <wwsr> for recent updates and see also <testing> <squeeze udev> <squeeze kernel> <lenny->squeeze> . The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager.
14:56<zl0ty>right, try squeeze
14:57<f0rk>dpkg: lenny->squeeze
14:57<dpkg>In /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines volatile, backports, then change lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,` && apt-get dist-upgrade". Make sure you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed prior to rebooting check: aptitude versions '~nlinux-image~i'. See also <testing> <testing security> <squeeze release notes>.
14:57<zl0ty>i forgot, that you have lenny
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14:58<ex0_>and my video drivers?
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14:58<ex0_>programs and others will crash?
14:58<ex0_>I will need to install again the video drivers?
14:58<zl0ty>it wont if you wont upgrade
14:58<zl0ty>you can change source.list file
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14:59<zl0ty>then run apt-get update, to get all packages informations
14:59<zl0ty>then install what you need
14:59<ex0_>I wont that my SO crash :/
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14:59<ex0_>it doesnt?
14:59<zl0ty>ang get back to old file
15:00<ex0_>aaa ok
15:00<zl0ty>if you upgrade system, there is chance
15:00<ex0_>i understand..
15:00<ex0_>ok i will
15:00<zl0ty>or you can do different thing
15:01<zl0ty>try to search for *.deb file of this app
15:01<zl0ty>on their officiall website
15:01<zl0ty>maybe they have latest version
15:01<ex0_>I did it
15:01<ex0_>is too much dependencies
15:01<ex0_>(bad english .__.)
15:02<zl0ty>my english is not good too :)
15:02<f0rk>too many? like how?
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15:02<ex0_>too many* xd
15:02<zl0ty>but you will still have to fixe them installing from repository also
15:02<zl0ty>in my opinion...
15:03<f0rk>if you know which dependencies it has, why don't you just install them with apt-get?
15:03<f0rk>eg sudo apt-get install p1 p2 p3 p4 p5 p6
15:03<ex0_>I will change my repos to squeeze
15:04<ex0_>and do this
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15:05<ex0_>it's better install that I need from squeeze or upgrade to squeeze completly?
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15:06<zl0ty>if you really dont want to crash something, dont upgrade
15:06<zl0ty>if you have time to fix it
15:06<zl0ty>do upgrade
15:06<zl0ty>id dont have to crash, but there is possibility
15:07<ex0_>ok ok ..
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15:43<zl0ty>how to close screen splited tab?
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15:44<cruejones>hi, how can I use a debian DVD as a local mirror to point my preseed file to?
15:44<cruejones>with ubuntu I can just point the preseed file mirror to the root of a loopback mounted dvd iso
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15:45<cruejones>this fails with debian
15:45<fbs>crue: deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Squeeze_ - Official Snapshot amd64 NETINST Binary-1 20101105-09:05]/ squeeze main
15:46<fbs>whoops wrong one
15:48<cruejones>fbs: well my problem is that I am serving this up from a non debian distro via a netinstall
15:51<cruejones>so, what are loopback mounted debian isos served back via http - my install target is pxe booted with netinstall kernel/ramdisk
15:51<cruejones>installation starts but when I try to point the installer to my url (dvd loop mount) it says it is not a valid mirror
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15:52<fbs>no clue on that
15:52<cruejones>fbs: thanks
15:53<fbs>you want to use your pc as a package mirror?
15:53<fbs>maybe try freenode/#debian, more active chan
15:53<cruejones>ok, thanks
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16:06<alk3_>what is the deal with the bastille package
16:06<alk3_>it will not fully install and i cannot purge it
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16:06<themill>dpkg: tell alk3_ about bat
16:06<themill>alk3_: you're going to need to stick a lot more information than that in a pastebin for us
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16:09<alk3_>themill ok i will do it up for you
16:10<alk3_>this is hopefully easy to solve because if this is a bug my package manager is broken
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16:12<alk3_>it installed about 2 hours ago and i removed it to make a clean installation for whatever reason and now the package will neither install or purge
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16:13<themill>alk3_: how did you remove it?
16:13<alk3_>with apt-get remove --purge
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16:14<themill>do you happen to have the output from that run still in scrollback somewhere?
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16:14<alk3_>no it is long gone
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16:15<alk3_>any idea what would cause that to happen?
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16:15<nick>wat be crackin
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16:16<themill>nick: you're in the wrong place
16:17<witte>alk3_: a dirty solution might be to "touch /sbin/bastille-ipchains" and remove the package afterwards
16:17<alk3_>yeah i already tried that witte =)
16:17<witte>alk3_: might not work, but might be worth the attempt
16:17<witte>ok :-)
16:17<themill>witte: it probably needs to be an executable
16:18<themill>alk3_: try reinstalling the bastille package and then having another go (pastebin the output of both commands)
16:18<alk3_>both commands as in a touch and an install?
16:18<themill>alk3_: "aptitude reinstall bastille; aptitude remove bastille"
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16:21<alk3_>i attempted to purge it through the aptitude curses interface
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16:21<alk3_>earlier i mean
16:21<alk3_>same output
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16:22<themill>alk3_: that's not the command that I wanted you to run.
16:22<themill>"aptitude reinstall bastille; aptitude remove bastille"
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16:23<alk3_>well you see the semi colon doesnt change anything, just allows for a single line
16:23<alk3_>but it has the same output
16:23<witte>alk3_: the "re" in reinstall might be importatn ;-)
16:23<themill>alk3_: no. I wanted to see "reinstall" not "install". And I wanted to see the "reinstall" occurring immediately prior to the remove.
16:24<themill>(not the other way around)
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16:27<witte>alk3_: what debian are you using? stable or testing?
16:27<alk3_>im about ready to wipe it manually and rebuild the apt db
16:27<themill>alk3_: ok... at this stage, since you want to get rid of the package, let's be crude and just add "exit 0" in the second line of the init script or bastille.
16:28<alk3_>im running a bootstrap lenny build
16:28<alk3_>custom kernel
16:28<witte>because i could not find bastille-ipchains using apt-file
16:28<witte>i run squeeze
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16:29<themill>alk3_: I'm puzzled why you see «ERROR: "/sbin/bastille-ipchains" not available!»
16:29<alk3_>yeah i have no clue. it was functioning correctly and after i reinstalled the package it is broken
16:29<themill>,file /sbin/bastille-ipchains --release lenny
16:29<judd>No packages were found with that file.
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16:30<themill>interesting... apt-file tells me that exists somewhere in the bastille package.
16:30<witte>themill: not in squeeze
16:31<themill>witte: see what judd just told me
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16:31<witte>yeah, something fishy is going on :-)
16:32<alk3_>uh well how can i remove it manually and rebuild the apt db
16:32<witte>Bastille is not in squeeze, that's why
16:32<alk3_>ive done it before, but i figure asking would allow me to save ome time
16:32<themill>alk3_: don't do that, just fiddle the init script as I suggested
16:33<themill>,file /sbin/bastille-ipchains --release sid
16:33<judd>/sbin/bastille-ipchains in sid/i386: bastille: sbin/bastille-ipchains
16:33<themill>sounds like a mixture of lenny and sid packages there
16:33<alk3_>it is at this point
16:33<alk3_>i removed it
16:35<alk3_>my sources.list has only lenny sources
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16:37<alk3_>ah no i used a sid repository to install silc a while back and it pulled a few packages
16:38<alk3_>at any rate, thanks for the help
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16:40<nick>I'm trying to install Squeeze on a 1U supermicro server with the built-in Adaptec raid controller, but the installer still shows all 4 drives instead of just 1 like I was expecting....any suggestions?
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16:47<witte>nick: if the hardware is new, the kernel might not support it fully
16:48<witte>nick: but as far as i know (i am not really following everything at this moment), there is no newer kernel than 2.6.32 for debian, while 2.6.37 exists
16:48<themill>,kernels --release experimental
16:48<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.36-trunk-686 (2.6.36-1~experimental.1)
16:49<witte>ah, nick, you might want to install using that kernel (might be a bit more bumpy road to get there)
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16:51<nick>using special commands when the disk boots or do i have to find a different installer? I know I've used "alternative" installers before, but don't remember where I found them
16:52<EmleyMoor>kmuto probably won't help
16:53<dpkg>For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images.
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16:53<witte>nick: yeah, i checked that one also first, but it is only up to 2.6.32
16:54<jhutchins_lt>The lenny kmuto kernel is missing some of the drivers that are in squeeze.
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16:56<nick>hmmm, maybe i should switch the bios option to the intel raid instead
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17:02<nick>nope, that don't make a difference -- guess I'll switch back to the Adaptec one as the information I found before said something to the effect that the intel one is software and the adaptec one is hardware (or pseudo hardware)
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17:07<EmleyMoor>nick: "Fake RAID"? You're better off with Linux software RAID.
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17:11<nick>...the bios for this mobo has an option for SATA RAID which I enabled, it then gives me the option for ICH Raid CodeBase and the choices of Adaptec or Intel (of which I think Adaptec would be the better choice)....are you saying to disable the raid in the bios and do it all from the OS side?
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17:11<EmleyMoor>Motherboard RAID is typically "fake RAID" - if your motherboard fails, your array is generally a total loss
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17:14<EmleyMoor>Never used it - but have had great success with Linux software RAID - YMMV but there's my 2¢
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17:14<nick>Well, that don't sound so good...kinda defeats the redundancy purpose for having RAID....ok, so I will Disable the RAID and Enable should I proceed with this installation then? The only time I used RAID before this I purchased a 3Ware card and set the 4 drives to a RAID 1+0 array and when I went to the Debian installer it showed as only 1 drive I was hoping to basically replicate that without the extra 200-400 card
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17:15<EmleyMoor>nick: The installer allows you to set up RAID, pretty much as you wish. Only had to add bitmaps to mine afterwards for best results
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17:16<nick>I'd be willing to try Linux software RAID if it will work for what I'm trying to do (basic web/email/file server with 4x1TB drives and I want approx 2TB usable space (RAID 1+0) so that any 1 of the 4 drives could be removed (or bad) and the thing would continue to function completely (well almost) normally
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17:18<Anathemize>If I am having issues getting steam to work under wine in debian is my best bet to ask here or in winehq?
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17:19<nick>Anathemize, my guess would be in wine
17:19<EmleyMoor>nick: RAID 10 or even RAID 6 is very possible and functional for that
17:19<nick>hmmm, guess I've never looked at RAID 6
17:20<EmleyMoor>(RAID 10 is basically 1+0, but copes with odd numbers of drives too)
17:20<EmleyMoor>You do need /boot on a RAID 1 whatever you do, but you can have multiple RAID arrays easily enough
17:21<EmleyMoor>I have /boot on RAID 1, rest on RAID 6 and a scratch space on RAID 0 + linear
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17:22<f0rk>I have had nothing but problems with fake RAID
17:22<nick>Well, you seem to have much more experience with this than I, like I mentioned, I used 1+0 before because I figured it would give me the speed + redundancy....I have 4 drives and am setting up a Web/Email/File server, the rest is pretty much blank slate :)
17:23<f0rk>yeah, we run a lot of hardware RAID here at work
17:23<nick>f0rk, thanks for the input....what do you use instead? Purchasing an additional card (for hardware RAID) is out of the question for this project
17:24<nick>I think I'm going to do software RAID (either 6 or 1+0 -- need to research that quick)
17:24<f0rk>we use either hardware RAID or no RAID now. the boxes that were running fake RAID are dead or lost a drive and I couldn't recover them, so I took them off raid
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17:24<f0rk>but software RAID is your best choice
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17:25<Anathemize>Alright this is going to sound dumb but I am trying to install wine the guys in winehq say that the version installed when i type aptitude install wine is very old and its in the debian repos themselves
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17:26<thales>A would like to know a tool "Dreamweaver Like".
17:26<Anathemize>there is a wine provided repo which i have added to my sources.list
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17:26<thales>Can some one give a name?
17:26<Anathemize>is there a way to download wine from that repo rather then the debian ones?
17:26<devil>thales: quanta+ is probably the closest you will get
17:26<thales>Thank you Devil!
17:27<devil>thales: does not have a kde4 version yet though
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17:27<thales>I'm on a Gnome.
17:27<devil>well, quanta will pull some qt stuff
17:27<john_>quanta+ = good for debian5 ?
17:27<nick>Anathemize: if you added the repository to your sources.list and ran aptitude update, the packages on that repository should now be available to install
17:28<devil>john_: its fine on kde3
17:28<nick>Anathemize: do apt-cache search and see what packages show up for wine...then you can check apt-cache show and apt-cache policy to see what versions are available/installed
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17:29<devil>john_: its under developement for kde4 and will probaly end up as part of kdevelop
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17:29<john_>ty :)
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17:30<john_>i se that its already packaged :)
17:31<Anathemize>alright well all those commands only returned the package in the debian repo not the wine repo
17:31<nick>Anathemize, you added the wine repo to sources.list?
17:32<Anathemize>yes here is my sources.list:
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17:33<nick>Anathemize, ok...and when you did aptitude update were there any errors?
17:33<Anathemize>no though the opera repo becomes unsigned every once and a while
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17:34<ComradeHaz`>Hi guys, what's the ATI equivelant of nvidia-glx?
17:35<devil>john_: if you are on kde4, give it a go
17:36<Anathemize>ComradeHaz' fglrx-glx I believe
17:36<ComradeHaz`>I assume that's recommended for systems with an ATI card/
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17:39<nick>EmleyMoor, f0rk: since I've never set-up software RAID before, can you give me a bit of a walkthrough or point me to one online? I'm at the partitioner stage of the installer now...I've decided to stick with 1+0 and I have no partitions on any of the 4 drives
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17:40<Anathemize>alright in synaptic its not showing the wine repo at all it lists the google and opera ones however
17:40<Anathemize>is something wrong with my sources.list?
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17:41<devil>Anathemize: how could we be sure?
17:42<nick>devil, he posted it before
17:42<devil>Anathemize: did you do 'apt-get upgrade' after adding the repo?
17:42<devil>nick: oh, missed that
17:42<nick>devil, i'll repost it for ya
17:42<devil>Anathemize: did you do 'apt-get update' after adding the repo?
17:43<devil>not upgrade
17:44<nick>EmleyMoor, you still here?
17:44<devil>nick: thxx.
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17:45<Anathemize_>sorry got disconnected
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17:46<devil>[23:42:23] <devil> Anathemize: did you do 'apt-get update' after adding the repo?
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17:46<Anathemize>aptitude update yes
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17:47<devil>nick: maybe this helps:
17:47<devil>Anathemize: i never used wine. where did you get that repo line from?
17:48<Anathemize>hold on when I do apt-get update i get 2 errors
17:48<Anathemize>and from the wine website
17:48<devil>ah, errors is good
17:48<Anathemize>but that doesnt show up when i use aptitude
17:49<devil>Anathemize: that basicaly says, both the wine and the google stanzas are malformed
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17:49<Anathemize>also about the repo line is from
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17:49<nick>thanks devil
17:50<devil>Anathemize: let me give it a quick try
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17:51<Anathemize>what would cause a malformed release file? would that be something on their end or mine?
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17:52<devil>Anathemize: the stanza is ok here. but as i am on sid, i would need a preferences stanza as well
17:53<devil>wait, i forgot update myself ;)
17:54<devil>ok, it works here
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17:55<Anathemize>so what would be my best course of action? because the sources.list seems fine
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17:55<Anathemize>and if it works for you it must mean im doing somethign wrong
17:56<devil>Anathemize: good question. atm i see nothing wrong.
17:56<Anathemize>I'm so confused @_@
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17:58<Anathemize>I mean i could just download the .deb and install with gdebi but i wouldnt get updates =/
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17:59<devil>Anathemize: dpkg -i would be the better way (still no updates)
18:00<devil>Anathemize: on the other hand i might be blind, it was a long day
18:00<devil>but as it works for me....
18:01<devil>Anathemize: does apt-cache policy show any wine versions?
18:01<Anathemize>it shows the really old version in the debian main repo
18:02<devil>Anathemize: ok, one more clue is that mixing apt and aptitude is a bad idea
18:02<Anathemize>I always use aptitude to install software
18:02<devil>but that is far fetched
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18:03<devil>Anathemize: have someone else look at it, something is fishy
18:04<nick>Anathemize, just for kicks, comment out everything except the wine repo in your sources.list (if you're nervous about it, make a backup copy first) and then do the aptitude update and see if any packages are visible
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18:05<nick>comment out the wine source one as well
18:06<Anathemize>it gave me 12 new packages
18:06<Anathemize>and an updated version of wine
18:06<Anathemize>withapt-cache policy
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18:07<nick> hmmm...well, then I'd say do aptitude safe-upgrade and let it update wine...I'm not sure what to say about the conflict and what to do as a more permanent solution though :S
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18:09<nick>maybe devil has some ideas?
18:11<Lucas_BP>On install nvidia drivers on debian! Can't switch to TTY or run level 3 from run level 5...
18:11<themill>changing runlevel won't get you anywhere
18:12<devil>nick: not really. nice find though. i guess the repo does not really play well with squeeze.
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18:13<Anathemize>I added all the sources in 1 at a time and it still shows the updated wine version
18:14<Lucas_BP>this is not what I mean
18:14<Anathemize>but the google repo is still malformed it says
18:15<Lucas_BP>Hello everybody! Good Night ... I installed debian 5.5, and then installed the drive nvidia ... After that the reboot/shutdown/tty1-tty6 are only at the black screen if I stop the nvidia glx works normal, someone has been there?
18:15<nick>Anathemize, that's you want to keep playing with it and testing it some more?
18:15<Anathemize>im still messing around with it
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18:16<Lucas_BP>someone has been there?
18:16<nick>I'd be curious if you commented out the wine repo and did aptitude update if it would show back the old version and apt-cache policy show that u have newer installed than is available, and then if it would revert back to the newer one when you put the wine repo back in....
18:16<Anathemize>let me install wine and ill try for you
18:17<Anathemize>if it asks me to downgrade to 1.0.1-3 should i let it downgrade or refuse and then readd the wine repo?
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18:19<Lucas_BP>help me!!!
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18:19<Lucas_BP>Hello everybody! Good Night ... I installed debian 5.5, and then installed the drive nvidia ... After that the reboot/shutdown/tty1-tty6 are only at the black screen if I stop the nvidia glx works normal, someone has been there?
18:20<Anathemize>ok removing the wine repo it showed the installed version and the 1.0.1 from the debian repos with apt-cache policy
18:21<Anathemize>I readded the wine repo and it showed all 3 versions avalible from download from the wine repo
18:21<ComradeHaz`>Lucas_BP, how are you installing nvidia drivers?
18:21<Anathemize>so it seems to be working fine now
18:22<Anathemize>or at least as intended
18:22<nick>hmmm....guess it's just one of those mysterious things that never will make sense
18:22<Anathemize>wierd though the same fix isnt working on the google stable repo xD
18:23<Lucas_BP>ComradeHaz` When I installed it gave no problem then I stopped kdm and downloading the required packages and installed the version NVIDIA-Linux-x86-256.53 understood?
18:23<ComradeHaz`>Lucas_BP, I said how
18:23<ComradeHaz`>download from nvidia and dpkg -i?
18:24<ComradeHaz`>if so, remove it
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18:24<Lucas_BP>chmod +x | ./
18:24<devil>ComradeHaz`: nvidia provides a run file. dpkg wont cut it here
18:24<ComradeHaz`>aptitude remove nvidia-blah
18:24<ComradeHaz`>use nvidia-glx
18:25<ComradeHaz`>so as I say, remove what you have on now then do:
18:25<Lucas_BP>I have nvidia-glx
18:25<ComradeHaz`>aptitude install module-assistant nvidia-glx
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18:25<ComradeHaz`>m-a prepare
18:25<ComradeHaz`>m-a a-i nvidia
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18:25<ComradeHaz`>all as root of course.
18:26<devil>isnt it m-a a-i nvidia-source ?
18:26<devil>it is for me :)
18:26<Lucas_BP>so that?
18:26<ComradeHaz`>try nvidia.
18:27<themill>m-a fudges things for you
18:27<ComradeHaz`>It works :D
18:27<devil>m-a a-i nvidia-kernel-source even
18:27<nick>Anathemize, I've never seen or used the Google repo before
18:27<ComradeHaz`>though, really, is it unadvisable?
18:27<Lucas_BP>i go linux then
18:28<ComradeHaz`>I'm actually struggling to get an ati based machine to play ball as we speak
18:28<ComradeHaz`>Can't get dual view working
18:28<ComradeHaz`>so if I'm doing things a bad way feel free to tell me :D
18:29<Lucas_BP>even more thanks
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18:38<Anathemize_>alright i think i fixed my network issues @_@
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18:43<nick>Anathemize_, lol, wondered what happened to you
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19:05<uknown>is there any channel for application development?
19:05<uknown>I'm having a hard time packaging my app
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19:05<dpkg>[mentors] the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. #debian-mentors on
19:06<streuner__>(if you talking about making a deb)
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19:11<lucas_bp>ComradeHaz`, not ran the commands you gave me about nvidia, have to remove using nvidia-uninstall?
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19:15<Anathemize>Finally home @_@
19:15<Anathemize>schools internet kept dropping out on me so i left the library and went home
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19:27<Anathemize>alright i got steam and wow working in wine now :D yay
19:27<Anathemize>my laptop is ready for everyday usage under linux
19:29<retrospectacus>time to reclaim the space used by Windo$ ?
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19:30<Anathemize>nah my desktop will always be at least a dual boot box but ive speant all day getting this laptop setup correctly
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20:11<trman_001>need pointers to add a 1 tb sata drive to this existing system
20:12<trman_001>kernel sees it (dmsg), not sure where
20:12<retrospectacus>ls -l /dev/sd*
20:12<nevyn>trman_001: dmesg should tell you where...
20:13<nevyn>trman_001: dmesg|grep -A 6 1TB
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20:14<trman_001>dmesg|grep -A 6 1TB gives nothing
20:14<retrospectacus>grep for sectors
20:14<retrospectacus>dmesg|grep -A 6 sectors
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20:16<trman_001>yes, sdb, thanks
20:16<trman_001>now, what next? gparted?
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20:17<trman_001>Is there any preference as to file system?, I have ext 3 in all hard disk
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20:17<nevyn>maybe that's just me ;)
20:17<trman_001>not sure whats going on now, havent kept up with develpments
20:18<retrospectacus>!start a fs war
20:18<dpkg>Sigh, just use ext3 already.
20:18<trman_001>Im almost sure I have ext 3, lenny system
20:18*nevyn likes md on disks with lvm with ext3 or xfs
20:18<retrospectacus>trman_001, do you have an intended purpose for the drive?
20:19<celtic>retrospectacus: careful, it sounds like you're asking the right questions now (!!)
20:19<trman_001>store tons of djvu books (copying, kidding!), documents, backup, etc
20:19<trman_001>may be some movies also
20:20<nevyn>so stuff...
20:20<nevyn>like general purpose user files.
20:20<trman_001>yeah, for everyday work will still use old hard drive
20:20<retrospectacus>no particular recommendation from me :) I'm going home anyways... ciao
20:21<nevyn>trman_001: what if I suggested moving home onto the new drive?
20:21<celtic>retrospectacus: see ya
20:21<trman_001>well, old hard drive is 650 GB, and is almost full, it is also a sata, 1.5 g, not 3
20:21<trman_001>but I will foloow recomendations (study them)
20:22<nevyn>trman_001: how many drives were in the system initially?
20:22<trman_001>new drive is 3.0
20:22<nevyn>did you use lvm or partitions for the origiaal install?
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20:23<trman_001>what do you guys think i should use for formatting, gparted, fdisk, cfdisk? I havent kept up with debian since woody. In original install I used only ext 3, without lvm
20:23<trman_001>didnt have time to read about it
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20:24<trman_001>But now I am ready to read and follow pointers
20:24<nevyn>how big is /home on the 650gig drive?
20:24<Nemoder>gparted works pretty well
20:24<nevyn>is it a seperate partition?
20:24<nevyn>gparted is the win.
20:24<celtic>+1 gparted
20:24<trman_001>/dev/sda6 537G 504G 5.5G 99% /home
20:25<nevyn>trman_001: so with that configuration. my inclination would be to create a raid pair of part of both drives. for /home
20:25<nevyn>this provides redunancy of the most failure prone physical component of the system (the disk)
20:26<trman_001>tell me where to read about raid, as I said, I am clueless about fs that came after ext 3
20:26<trman_001>or a how to
20:26<nevyn>raid isn't a filesystem
20:26<nevyn>raid is Redundant array of inexpensive disks.
20:27<nevyn>trman_001: the result is that you end up with your home directory on both the 1tb and the 650Gb disk and if a disk fails you still have all your stuff.
20:27<trman_001>a howto to just do it and read about it later, where is there one? Hmm, sounds good
20:27<nevyn>the problem is that your home directory takes twice as much disk space.
20:27<nevyn>cause there's two copies of it.
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20:28<nevyn>so you end up with more reliability from your purchase and some portion more unreliable storage.
20:28<nevyn>cause it's not all or nothing
20:28<trman_001>right, may be I will do a raid later on, after I clean existing hard drive from junk
20:29<nevyn>cleaning out disks is something everyone intends to do at some point but nobody ever does.
20:29<nevyn>buying more disk is cheaper than the effort.
20:29<nevyn>so the question is.. how big is /home?
20:29<nevyn>du -sh /home
20:30<nevyn>trman_001: there is a disk-upgrade howto btw
20:30<nevyn>and a raid howto and an lvm howto
20:30<trman_001>so, i just start gparted pointing to sdb, and somewhere it will ask me about raid, and what partition I want to clone, howtos where, at ltdp?
20:30<nevyn>nope it won't
20:30<nevyn>you need to know what you want to do.
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20:31<trman_001>what is lvm in short?
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20:31<trman_001>8short definition)
20:32<nevyn>logical volume manager. it lets you add disks and grow and shrink 'partitions' while you're using the filesystems
20:32<celtic>(if you know about "dynamic disks" in Windows, similar.)
20:32<nevyn>it's like windows dynamic disks or a real storage system like a eva or usp-V
20:33<nevyn>or ontap.
20:33<trman_001>will it work fine with 1 TB?, havent used windows except at work since the one before woody, what was it?
20:33<trman_001>memory starts to fail
20:33<nevyn>lvm is often used with raid because you can't partition a md raid.
20:34<celtic>trman_001: potato
20:35<trman_001>yeah, that one, still have the old installation disks somewhere, will buy some old machines just to see it working again. Is it possible to get raid on a working hard drive?
20:35<nevyn>so lvm is like partitioning with extra features. like disk spanning (so if you just want to grow your storage capacity and don't care about increasing reliability) you install the disk in the machine partition it as lvm physical volume pvadd it to the vg lvextend the lv of interest and grow the filesystem
20:36<nevyn>and you can do all this while the system is up and running.
20:36<nevyn>hotplug sata just works these days if your brave (data first then power)
20:37<nevyn>trman_001: yep.
20:37<trman_001>Hmm, sounds good, cause my machine still has 2 sata ports empty, which means I can plan on adding more hard drives later
20:37<nevyn>so what I'd do.
20:38<nevyn>find how big /home is.
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20:38<nevyn>make a partition about that big on the new drive.
20:38<nevyn>move all your data onto the new drive.
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20:38<trman_001>537G used, total 504G (home)
20:39<nevyn>create two partitions on the new drive.
20:39<nevyn>make one of them md physical make the other just a normal partition.
20:39<trman_001>ok, listening
20:40<nevyn>format the normal partition (this is going to hold your home partition while you setup MD.)
20:41<nevyn>using tar or cp -p or actual backup software copy everything on home to the normal partition on the 1tb drive.
20:41<trman_001>nevyn: sorry, I missed it, what is MD?
20:41<nevyn>you'd need to mkfs and mount it somewhere.
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20:41<nevyn>md is the linux raid subsystem it stands for multidisk
20:41<gsimmons>nevyn: You can partition a MD RAID device, provided mdadm's --auto={mdp,part,p} option is used during its creation.
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20:42<nevyn>gsimmons: shush. ;)
20:42<nevyn>then once you've verified all your data is on the new partition on the 1tb drive.
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20:43<trman_001>all ears, please continue
20:43<nevyn>change the partition type of the home partition on the 640gb drive to md physical
20:43<nevyn>then create a raid using the mdphysical on the 640gig drive and the md physical partition on the 1tb drive
20:43<trman_001>on the fly?
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20:44<nevyn>this deletes the original /home but you copied all your data to the 1tb drive first.
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20:45<nevyn>so now you have a 500gig md that is actually two partitions . anything you write to this is on both the 640gig drive and on the 1tb drive
20:46<trman_001>crap, sounds good
20:46<trman_001>so, raid doe sthe backup on the fly and constantly, right?
20:47<nevyn>RAID is NOT Backup. but it is redundancy.
20:47<trman_001>well, redundancy
20:47<nevyn>so the data is on both disks constantly and on the fly YES
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20:47<nevyn>it protects you from hardware failure but not from fat fingers.
20:49<nevyn>it doesn't provide protection against a wide range of failure scenarios (box is physically destroyed, filesystem corruption, software failures accidental deletion etc)
20:49<trman_001>true, mine are fat, i have to redefine rm, yesterday rm-ed a wav after recording 30 minutes
20:50<nevyn>there are other strategies like using revision control which can provide some degree of protection against accidental deletion (this is the strategy that apple's time machine uses)
20:51<nevyn>the problem is that backup media is the same cost per gigabyte as primary media for the vast majority of people. which makes the sums basically you have to buy at least 3x the storage you need.
20:51<nevyn>so when you get another disk...
20:52<nevyn>you have a few options.
20:52<nevyn>if you make the initial raid as raid5 degraded.
20:53<nevyn>you can add another 500gig partition on the new disk and add it to the existing raid online. then just expand /home so it's 1gig (3x500gig partitions with raid 5 results in 1gig of usable storage)
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20:55<trman_001>hmm, raid 5
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20:55<nevyn>you could then move the "normal" partition on the 1tb into the extra space on the raid and build another raid with the 500gig partition on the 1tb drive and another 500gig parition on the new drive
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20:57<nevyn>so md is the bit that aggregates physical lumps of storage (partitions of disk)
20:58<nevyn>lvm is the layer on top of that for being able to migrate and carve up bits of disk and give them names. (might not be required but can be useful)
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20:58<trman_001>OK, well let me get my hands on this now. Thank you for all your help.
20:59*nevyn wonders how much he's confused trman_001
20:59<trman_001>I already launched gparted, and hope that will be able to understand what nevyn said
20:59*celtic applauds nevyn's in-depth explanation of a RAID setup
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21:12<jesse>tem alguem aki ?
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21:18<trman_001>nevyn, are yiu still there? there are about 10 raid howtos, which would be the one to read?
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21:23<f0rk>I'd like to set my laptop up to act as a router. I have a wireless USB dongle providing connectivity to the router which is connected to the modem. I have a free ethernet port which I would like to use to run a cable to a desktop machine, to provide it with internet access as well. is there a suggested method for doing so?
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21:25<bja>f0rk: Take a trip to google it is indeed trivial. Just look for conection forwarding linux and you should get like a bizillion hits
21:25<celtic>f0rk: I don't have an in-depth suggestion, but a really easy way would be to install a HTTP proxy on your machine (e.g. tinyproxy), wire up the two machines and put them on the same subnet (ifconfig), then point the browser on the desktop machine to use the laptop as HTTP proxy
21:26<f0rk>bja: yes, I was just wondering what you guys here in #debian would suggest. if there was a preferred method
21:26<f0rk>I will go google, and return if I have any questions
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21:27<bja>f0rk: well i use the standart netfilter solution telling the kernel that it has to forward packets and where to
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21:41<drayakir>Hello all! I have a bit of a newbish question: what the hell are most debian packages coded in? And what programming language would I need to best be able to modify Debian?
21:41<drayakir>I know C++ and some python.
21:42<Nemoder>depends on the package, apt-get source <packagename> and browse through it to see
21:42<drayakir>So, basically the majority of them are different? OK. Other than the kernel, what was most of Debian coded in?
21:44<Nemoder>I don't know percentage wise. Debian is a collection of software from many different developers each with their own preferences
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21:47<drayakir>All right, then a theoretical question- if the stuff that makes Debian itself (i.e. the basic stuff like the daemons and guis and so forth) minus the kernel- if they're all in different languages, how the hell is it capable of being read at the same time? Or does the kernel do that?
21:47<Nemoder>the sources are compiled into binaries or in the case of scripts or runtimes they are just run through that on execution
21:48<drayakir>Thank you so much.
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22:48<ryan_>trying to get flash working, but cant even play videos
22:48<ryan_>installed firefox and the flashplugin-nonfree but still wont play
22:49<ryan_>is there a flash file i have to put in the firefox dir or anything?
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23:15<slipshot>anyone have any trouble with 3d rendering after updating with an intel video card?
23:16<slipshot>i have an intel i945 chip set
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23:29<foreste>what kopiling new kernel in architeture i686 ?
23:31<doubledutch>Foreste; what?
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23:33<foreste>how to compile the kernel on i686 debian way?
23:34<foreste>because I am compiling for the i386 architecture, (
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23:36<doubledutch>foreste; have you tried, and it's failing, or are you looking for a guide?
23:38<foreste>I was looking for but could not find how to change from i386 to i686
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23:38<doubledutch>I think that Debian is currently optimised for i386 and that only a few packages/technologies benefit from a switch to i686.
23:39<nevyn>trman_001: I'm back was at lunch
23:39<doubledutch>There should be a guide on it somewhere, sorry, I've never compiled a kernel from source.
23:40<nevyn>foreste: you pick it in menuconfig/xconfig
23:41<nevyn>it's in the top general menu item -> Cpu architecture
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23:41<nevyn>foreste: which do you want to set -Mcpu or -March?
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23:43<foreste>I have a distribution kernel i686 and want to have a new kernel on the same architecture
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23:44<foreste>I have a distribution kernel i686 and want to have a new kernel on the same architecture
23:45<foreste>soory double
23:45<nevyn>that's ok.
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23:50<foreste>rpm packages in the following target = i686 and I changed the kernel architecture built
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23:57<davekong>Is there a generic source code distribution of reportbug somewhere so that I can use it in a distro other than Debian?
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23:59<davekong>Maybe I should send reports as emails?
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