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---Logopened Tue Nov 23 00:00:00 2010
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00:05<megaf>boa noite
00:05<megaf>wrong channel, sorry
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00:20<And1>Hi how can I change the order of the partitions in my raid? E.g. 'cat /proc/mdstat' lists Raid1 with /dev/sdb1 and /dev/sda1. Also in 'cat /proc/partitions' sdb-sdd are shown above sda...
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00:34<don_armstrong>And1: the order is irrelevant
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00:36<And1>dondelelcaro: But I don't understand why sda is listed as second device after sdb.
00:36<dondelelcaro>And1: loads of reasons why it could be, but the order doesn't matter
00:37<And1>dondelelcaro: Where is a mdadm config or somesuch in which I can see which devices are in which raid?
00:38<dondelelcaro>And1: mdadm --detail --scan
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00:38<dondelelcaro>And1: in modern mdadm configurations, you shouldn't need a config file
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00:39<And1>That only tells me the UUID of the md-device.
00:39<And1>Oh ok what's modern?
00:39<And1>Usind sid here.
00:40<dondelelcaro>And1: it will tell you more if you give a raid device
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00:42<And1>What means minor there or in /proc/partitions?
00:42<dondelelcaro>And1: it's the minor number of the block device
00:42<dondelelcaro>you normally don't care about that either
00:43<And1>I'd like to change the "number" and "raiddevice" which are shown in the command you gave me. How would I?
00:43<dondelelcaro>!real question
00:43<dpkg>Please tell us what the real problem is instead of wasting our time asking questions about things that you think are related to the problem. If you don't, you're just wasting your time and ours. [Far too often what you think is related to the problem actually isn't or won't help you solve your problem at all.], or see <xyproblem>
00:44<k-man_>i suspect my server runs out of ram from time to time and grinds to a virtual halt, is there some tool i can use for logging ram usage so i can check after the fact what might have gone wrong?
00:44<And1>I want to know how to rearrange the order of the raiddevices in mdadm. That's it.
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00:44<dondelelcaro>And1: the ordering of the raid devices is irrelevant.
00:44<f0rk>k-man_: one of the nagios plugins probably
00:44<dondelelcaro>And1: there's no point in changing them, and you never care what order they're in in the first place
00:45<And1>dondelelcaro: Yeah, but though you have to be able to change to order, don't you?
00:45<dondelelcaro>And1: no, because the order is irrelevant.
00:46<dondelelcaro>And1: you only care about the raid device that it gets, which is specified in the mdadm.conf
00:46<dondelelcaro>(and even then, you can avoid having to care about that by using UUID instead in your fstab and when you boto)
00:47<k-man_>f0rk: oh, sounds interesting
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00:48<And1>I just don't understand why there's no I _could_ rearrange the order.
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00:50<f0rk>k-man_: specifically the plugin from contrib/
00:50<dondelelcaro>you're more than welcome to hack away at the kernel to change the order
00:50<k-man_>f0rk: nagios fairly large
00:51<f0rk>k-man_: you want the nagios plugins
00:51<And1>dondelelcaro: So it even would work i I delete the second partition from the raid and readd it?
00:51<f0rk>untar, cd to nagios-plugins-1.4.15/contrib
00:51<f0rk>and see
00:52<dondelelcaro>And1: of course
00:52<dondelelcaro>And1: you'd need to resync the array when you did that, but that's par for the course
00:55<And1>dondelelcaro: Hum, but that seems not to work. Again same order.
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00:59<k-man_>hmm... my system is running at 99.7% of ram used according to
01:00<And1>dondelelcaro: Mayber that's what I want:
01:00<k-man_>not surprising things go wrong from time to time
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01:09<valajbeg>i need simple set of scripts, bash or php that helps automate creating database/vhost/hosts and other usual required things for development
01:09<valajbeg>does anyone know that?
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02:17<Lauriitah>god night
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02:28<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
02:28<jm_>please don't panic
02:28<arosecrance>don{ worry
02:29<arosecrance>any girl here to chat?
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02:31<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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02:41<jm_>!ops can someone please ban ce^thue_thuet^ (~CE_KULIAH@ - it looks like their sole purpose is to join the channel and then part with part message being used as spam (probably for some malware)?
02:41<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: jm_ complains about: can someone please ban ce^thue_thuet^ (~CE_KULIAH@ - it looks like their sole purpose is to join the channel and then part with part message being used as spam (probably for ...
02:42<jm_>fair enough
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02:46<@Ganneff>(no need, its a server level thing, not channel)
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02:48<faheem_>i'm considering an upgrade to squeeze. would anyone care to offer anecdotal data on how that upgrade is looking right now?
02:53<Nemoder>I've never had any major problems upgrading from one release to the next
02:53<jm_>it wasn't as simple in the old days :)
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02:54<Nemoder>I started with potato, it's been pretty simple since then
02:54<faheem_>Nemoder: ok. it does depend on where in the cycle things are. squeeze is currently in freeze, and should be entering deep freeze soon, i think
02:54<Nemoder>there's always the odd app that needs reconfiguring but nothing that broke my system
02:54<faheem_>no major current problems then?
02:54<faheem_>Nemoder: you did the upgrade then?
02:55<Nemoder>not on this machine, it's always run testing
02:55<faheem_>Nemoder: ok
02:56<Nemoder>I upgraded my server from etch to squeeze and no problems
02:56<faheem_>Nemoder: ok. thanks
02:57<one_solo>It faily depends on yout setup.
02:57<Nemoder>yeah, good idea to look over the apps you run the most and check how much they've changed
02:57<faheem_>one_solo: ?
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02:57<one_solo>Meaning gde, kde, etc...
02:58<one_solo>You said server? Am I correct?
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02:59<faheem_>one_solo: the machine is question is a desktop machine, but i also do / have done server like things with it
02:59<one_solo>I had a few problems with my KDE setup but again it is not a server.
03:00<faheem_>one_solo: ok. what kind of problems?
03:01<one_solo>It sounds good as long ae it is not a critical server. Otherwise you might have a cluser set-up?
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03:02<one_solo>Not much. Mostly graphical.
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03:03<faheem_>one_solo: cluser?
03:03<one_solo>KDE crash after programs such as Ktorrent, Konqueror and Firefox termination from the GUI.
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03:04<one_solo>When I hear server but not cluster server I am always suspecious.
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03:05<one_solo>I would always have a cluster and/or failover in the back.
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03:05<one_solo>It speaks of security not insecurity.
03:06<one_solo>But back to the point of your case... Please continue!
03:06<faheem_>one_solo: continue?
03:07<faheem_>you mean, go ahead?
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03:07<one_solo>Do you mean with the upgrade?
03:08<faheem_>one_solo: yes
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03:10<one_solo>I would evaluate my setup and check for new stable features which benefit my server and current machine then if all good I would move along.
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03:10<one_solo>Don't forget, it is yout setup!
03:11<faheem_>one_solo: ok. i'm looking forward to dumping flash
03:11<one_solo>Debian is famous for stability but it is only as good as the admin who applies them.
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03:12<one_solo>I hope that issue will go away with HTLM5 but I am not too good at HTMP and sorts so don't quote me.
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03:13<one_solo>Gnash is cool but behind of development because it is reengineered.
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03:17<faheem_>one_solo: chromium supposedly supports html5
03:17<one_solo>One last thing about upgrades in Debian is if there is no snapshots capability meaning no roll-back feature for upgrades then you are on your own. But don't forget that GNU/Linux is flexible - not like it is not a *nix ivention -, you may install the new version in a new partition, directory and of course boot with grub.
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03:18<one_solo>Correct on Chromium an I add Midori and sorts supporting the webkit library.
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03:20<one_solo>HTML5 with its wem-video support might just revolutionalize the market and kick aDOBE a bit.
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03:21<one_solo>The next giant soon be Google if that day has not arrived yet.
03:21<one_solo>But than it is politics which is beyond the scope.
03:22<one_solo>Happy tweeking!
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03:22<nevyn>one_solo: ummm lvm_snapshot
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03:40<ok>what bt
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03:42<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
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03:46<ok> hello
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03:48<devil>ok: do you have a question? if so, just ask
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04:40<kli>@devil: Dieter: danke für den Tip, mal sehen ob's auch bei mir mit dem dolphin hilft :-)
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04:46<devil>kli: wrong channel?
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04:54<kli>yes ...
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05:34<alanhaggai>Hi. I just install Debian 5.0. `localhost` does not seem to work. Neither does `` work. /etc/hosts contains only one line, which is: " localhost". What might be the problem?
05:35<alanhaggai>By does not work, I mean, not able to ping, or not able to access services.
05:35<petemc>does ifconfig show a lo interface?
05:35<alanhaggai>petemc: No. It does not! Ah! I should have noted that!
05:35<alanhaggai>petemc: It works now! Thanks. :-)
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05:49<OsirisX>petemc : are you there?
05:50<OsirisX>petemc: fyi found ps3mediaserver deb package -
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05:54<petemc>OsirisX: good stuff, cheers
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05:56<labirinto1234>hi. I create ssh on my debian. I whould to like to know if is possible to create user who can list just some directories
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05:58<labirinto1234>some directories in www forexample
05:58<labirinto1234>i mean connecting over ssh he can list just www
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06:00<jm_>using restricted shel may help
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06:03<labirinto1234>jm_ thanks. is possible restrict everything less one directories?
06:03<oliva>Hi there I'm trying to create a new partition in my hard disk ( but when I try to use any portion of Free space between 211GB 495GB I get "Can't have overlapping partitions"
06:04<jm_>labirinto1234: what do you mean?
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06:06<oliva>I notice also a difference between partition table printed by parted ( and fdisk (
06:06<labirinto1234>jm_ I want the user can list just www folder
06:07<jm_>labirinto1234: that's pretty hard to achieve - you want them to be able to list /bin, /lib etc.
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06:22<oliva>any help?
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06:25<[e0f]>labirinto1234: are you really need SSH for this? maybe enough SFTP?
06:26<labirinto1234>eof sftp seems better
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06:27<labirinto1234>but i wanted try is over ssh
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06:28<[e0f]>labirinto1234: ssh contains buil-in chrooting for sftp
06:29<[e0f]>labirinto1234: here you can read howto
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06:35<[e0f]>labirinto1234: over ssh.. if so than you need chrooting your ssh (jail)
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06:37<jedd>[e0f]: there's also rssh - used it only minimally but might be good for what you're trying to do - -- mailing list is moderately active, which is usually a good sign
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07:02<JohnNy64>Can anybody help me setting up mutt to verify S/MIME signatures?
07:04<JohnNy64>For some reason openssl always gives me 12418:error:21075075:PKCS7 routines:PKCS7_verify:certificate verify error:pk7_smime.c:244:Verify error:unable to get local issuer certificate
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07:06<babilen>JohnNy64: Try #mutt on
07:07<JohnNy64>Hm, the issue seems a bit more openssl and certificate-related.
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07:07<JohnNy64>I also get it when trying to verify it by hand with openssl smime -verify -in testing-e-mail
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07:08<JohnNy64>...and that's not that much mutt-related, I guess...
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07:16<[e0f]>jedd: thnx, looks interesting
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07:22<timotei>does anyone know where/what is the channel of TuxKids?
07:22<timotei>I can't find any, just mailing lists
07:23<icebrain>timotei: maybe they don't have one?
07:23<timotei>icebrain: oh. ok
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07:42<OsirisX>has anyone seen the film "Machete" - are there usually english subtitles for the spanish parts?
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07:42<OsirisX>Sorry wrong channel
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07:44<rpetre>OsirisX: yes, and yes :)
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07:46<OsirisX>LOL thx rpetre
07:46<rpetre>please keep this channel on-topic
07:47<OsirisX>rpetre: yes it was mistake - too many channels open in small tabbed interface
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08:02<CutMeOwnThroat>rpetre, you forgot one "yes" there...
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08:04<rpetre>CutMeOwnThroat: yes :)
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08:15<ananth123>im unable to logoff or shutdown from lxde... i get an error message which says "message rejected, 1 matched rules..... any idea why ?
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08:23<OsirisX>petemc: if you didn't know - PS3MediaServer plugin called pmsencoder that allows you to play webcontent properly including Apple Trailers & TED lectures - - WOW
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08:23<OsirisX>basically everything that doesn't work in Mediatomb, working in PS3MediaServer - Love IT
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08:45<Darac>Hi all. I want to create an apt mirror for a disconnected network. I know I can use debmirror etc to create the mirror initially, but is there a way I can get JUST the files that have changed between my mirror and the source so that I just need to transfer those files to the disconnected network?
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08:48<abrotman>Darac: a completely disconnected or no direct connect?
08:49<Darac>Completely disconnected. I can get stuff onto it with CDs, DVDs etc, but there's no connection to the internet.
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08:51<kevin_>I am triing to do apt-get install php5-xsl and end up with Could not perform immediate configuration on 'apache2-mpm-prefork'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2) Any ideas how i can convince my server to do this?
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08:54<devil>kevin_: did you look at the man-page and your apt-conf?
08:54<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
08:54<babilen>kevin_: Please provide ^^^
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08:55<babilen>I'll be back in a second
08:55<kevin_>didn't find anything useful in there
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08:57<devil>the Immediate-Configure stanza?
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09:00<babilen>kevin_: I guess that we might find something useful in there.
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09:02<devil>kevin_: what is the setting in apt.conf for immediate-configure, if there is one?
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09:02<kevin_>can' find any
09:03<babilen>kevin_: As the manpage clearly states: "this problem was only encountered by now in real world a few times in non-stable distribution versions and was caused by wrong dependencies of the package in question or by a system in an already broken state
09:03<babilen>kevin_: Please provide the requested information.
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09:04<kevin_>as far as I know, php runs fine
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09:05<kevin_>except the xsl support, which i tried to apt-get install php5-xsl
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09:07<devil>kevin_: you were asked twice to provide certain information. that would be much more helpfull than: as far as I know...
09:08<babilen>*sigh* -- why don't you paste the information? But I guess you don't want to do that. You could try: "aptitude -o APT::Immediate-Configure=0 install php5-xsl"
09:08<zy>I have this in output of startx, 'Multiple interpretations of "NoSymbol+AnyOfOrNone(all)"', how should I examine the problem?
09:08<babilen>but meh ... have fun. read the manpages. Good lick
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09:09<kevin_>okay okay, got it
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09:10*f0rk uses rsnapshot
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09:13<babilen>… apt-cache policy and apt-cache policy php5-xsl apache2-mpm-prefork ?
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09:16<babilen>kevin_: I would actually start out with using aptitude and running: "aptitude remove apache2-mpm-worker php5-mhash", then "aptitude install apache2-mpm-prefork" followed by "aptitude install php5-xsl" -- you need the -prefork for php to work
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09:17<kevin_>dumb question, will that somehow influence my control panel?
09:17<babilen>kevin_: sid? I guessed it. You are sure that running sid on a production webserver is a good idea?
09:17<babilen>control panel?
09:18<kevin_>ispcp (like plesk)
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09:19<babilen>kevin_: why do you run sid?
09:19<kevin_>btw, why not sid? I was in the standart, what does that actually do?
09:19<babilen>kevin_: "I was in the standart" was??
09:19<dpkg>sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>.
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09:20<babilen>You *should* run Debian stable on *any* production machine/server.
09:21<kevin_>how do I know if sid runs anyway?
09:22<babilen>"cat /etc/debian_version", "lsb_release -sc" and "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1"
09:22<koollman>kevin_: cat /etc/debian_version is a good first indication. then take a look at /etc/apt/sources.list to see how 'pure' is that debian version
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09:23<abrotman>kevin_: your sources.list .. the debian_version won't do much good, nor the old versions of your packages
09:23<koollman>that's a lenny. perhaps a bit modified by your hosting provider
09:23<abrotman>kevin_: or apt-cache policy
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09:23<koollman>but mainly lenny :)
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09:24<babilen>koollman: and hence: apache2-mpm-prefork Candidate: 2.2.16-4, 500 sid/main amd64 Packages ?
09:25<babilen>kevin_: Please give us the output of dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1
09:25<kevin_>right away
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09:26<kevin_>I hope noone minds:
09:26<kevin_>dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1
09:26<dpkg>No packages found matching libc6 | tail -n 1
09:26<kevin_>ii libc6 2.11.2-7 Embedded GNU C Library: Shared libraries
09:27<babilen>... sid
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09:29<babilen>kevin_: Not sure what to recommend now. I would actually recommend restoring a *stable* (i.e. lenny) system from backups and not playing with sid in the future. If that is not an option, we could try to downgrade you to Squeeze or you could continue to live with the unstable versions you have to live with now.
09:30<kevin_>Well it looks stable to me, but how can I get xls to work now :-)
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09:33<babilen>what exactly looks stable? you can't even install php5-xls without problems. But anyway, I mentioned two things to try earlier... I would start with the list of commands that remove the -worker package first, then install -prefork and php5-xls afterwards. You can then try the "-o APT::Install ..." one
09:33<babilen>But honestly: You should not run sid on a web facing production server that serves PHP content ...
09:34<babilen>kevin_: *might* work (downgrade sid->squeeze) but it might also break your system beyond all recognition.
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09:35<lele>HOOLA! HI!
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09:35<lele>Hi! tom4golf
09:35<babilen>!es-social lele
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09:35<dpkg>lele: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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09:37<jthomas_sb>Does Debian's Exim4 incorporate with MySQL?
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09:37<babilen>not in its default config
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09:37<jthomas_sb>is it an easy change?
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09:38<babilen>jthomas_sb: no idea. i would also recommend postgresql ...
09:39<devil>babilen: btw.: php5-xsl installs perfectly fine on sid here.
09:39<babilen>devil: good, but I guess you are not running sid on a production web server?
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09:39*Darac would really rather not download the whole mirror twice just to diff them.
09:39<devil>babilen: erm, no, local server
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09:45<[e0f]>Darac: how do you transfer files to the network?
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09:46<Darac>CDs and DVDs.
09:48<Darac>[e0f]: Hmm. Never looked into that. Will have a quick read.
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09:50<babilen>kevin_: Just to make it clear. It is a very bad idea to stay on sid. If you have no easy way to restore a lenny system from backups I would consider a reinstall. (/msg dpkg reinstall) If you don't thin that is an option as well, I would recommend to try a downgrade to squeeze. The post I linked you explains one way to achieve that, but it might break your system.
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09:51<jthomas_sb>babilen, it looks like exim4-daemon-heavy in Squeeze supports MySQL, does that sound correct to you?
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09:52<shiznatix>Hi. I have a dual boot computer with Lenny and Windows XP. I just got windows 7 and I want to install it over the windows XP install. I don't mind doing a clean install but I just wanted to ask if there were any troubles that I should be aware of when doing this install?
09:52<kevin_>I am about to get a new server, so I am shuffleling all from one to the other ande make a clean install
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09:53<jthomas_sb>shiznatix don't let Win7 take over the full hard drive, since partitioning afterwards is difficult
09:53<babilen>kevin_: It is also a very good idea to analyse the system you have now. You can use to list repositories. Save that i a file named "listrepositories" make it executable and run "./listrepositories|grep VER" (for VER = squeeze, lenny, sid) -- if most of you packages come from sid you might have no chance. Make sure to upgrade all lenny packages to squeeze and well ...
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09:54<babilen>kevin_: err, the link to the listrepositories script is:
09:54<shiznatix>jthomas_sb since the HD is already partitioned with a seperate windows and linux partition, would this be a problem if I just install it over the old windows xp partition?
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09:56<jedd>shiznatix - installing on an extant system is easier i think - win7 on an unformatted drive will create the 100mb boot partition it uses. i'd format the xp partition first, though (just in case win7 doesn't do that itself).
09:57<jthomas_sb>shiznatix it shouldn't be, but Win7 is tricky. it sees the other partitions as a format that it cannot read and often decides that it wants to take over. also, your Grub boot menu will disappear so you'll need to (1) make a backup of /boot/grub/menu.lst and (2) reinstall Grub after Win7 from a LiveCD or Debian Install CD in rescue mode. You'll wanna know about chroot probably, and read up on Grub entries for Win7 since I think they're a bit
09:57<kevin_>May I assume, that all that is sid/main is based on sid?
09:57<babilen>jthomas_sb: shouldn't os-prober find win7 as well?
09:58<babilen>kevin_: yes
09:58<jthomas_sb>it is sid, with the main repo. other repos are contrib and non-free
09:58<kevin_>oh dear
09:58<kevin_>there is nothing in there that is not sid
09:58<babilen>!tell shiznatix -about fixmbr
09:58<jthomas_sb>babilen i am not sure, but Lenny was out long before 7, so I don't know if it will see 7 or not. just sayin, be prepared, shiznatix
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09:59<babilen>shiznatix: You can also just boot a live cd and chroot from there. I recommend grml, but you might prefer another one.
09:59<jthomas_sb>shiznatix if you've got Grub2 (lenny does not, by default), this may be useful
10:00<shiznatix>Maybe the best option would be to just backup my debian install and then install windows first, then reinstall debian?
10:00<jedd>dpkg-buildpackage problem .. i'm building somethig with dh-make-pear - pulling in 'phing' (a php package). it *mostly* works - but at least one of the bash scripts it ships with, specifically /usr/bin/pear-phing - has been modified by the dpkg-buildpackage process (AFAICT) - /usr/bin has been replaced with "@PHP-BIN@", and /usr/share/php with "@PEAR-DIR@". It's the @'s that are confusing me - i can't work out where they come from, and where I'
10:00<jedd>m meant to override / subst them in. dpkg-substvars only looks for ${}'s, no mention of @'s.
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10:00<jedd>shiznatix: if the option exists to back everything up, back everything up. every time.
10:01<jedd>also back up your mbr periodically during this process.
10:01<jthomas_sb>shiznatix you can do that, but resizing Win7 NTFS can be an issue, so get the partition sizes set up first.
10:01<kevin_>shiznatix, I have win7 running on a lenny right here. Worked for me, but definitally install 7 first. But, I have no clue about who sees whom, since I decided not to mount any harddrive of any other system, as if win7 can read ext2:-)
10:01<jedd>i recently replaced an XP instance with a Win7 one - it was .. less painful than I expected, but not straightforward.
10:01<shiznatix>All mf my important files I keep on external HDs so it isn't a big deal to reinstall all the OSs, I just always do a minimal debian install and can never remember all of the oddly specific packages needed such as the login screen, etc. Is there a good way to find out all the packages I have installed and when I have installed them?
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10:02<jedd>dpkg --get-selections (i think)
10:02<dpkg>jedd: wish i knew
10:02<jedd>"dpkg --get-selections" ( i think)
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10:02<jedd>you can then later dpkg --set-selections with the output from the above.
10:02<jedd>if you want to do a manual cull of cruft - just 'dpkg -l' to see what's installed.
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10:03<jedd>when you installed them is tricky. you can see when they were last updated (and possibly installed) with "ls -lrt /var/lib/dpkg/info/*list"
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10:04<babilen>!tell shiznatix about aptitude clone
10:06<shiznatix>It might not be a bad idea to just do my regular clean install of Lenny and write down the packages that I need to get setup from a minimal install or just make an iso of that very basic install so I can boot it from that later
10:06<jthomas_sb>shiznatix run this and back up the file: root# dpkg --get-selections >> /home/shiznatix/installedfiles.txt Then after the minimal reinstall and setting up your repos, you'd run this to reinstall those same packages: root$ dpkg --set-selections /home/shiznatix/installedfiles.txt && apt-get dselect-upgrade
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10:07<babilen>shiznatix: I would recommend the "aptitude clone" method as it preserves information about automatically installed packages
10:07<jthomas_sb>shiznatix problem there is that packages that were once automatically pulled in as dependencies, are not set as packages that you want, rather than what you need
10:07<jthomas_sb>yeah babilen has a point
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10:08*Darac is going to try putting the mirror into a VCS and then exporting the changed files.
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10:08<shiznatix>Well one thing is I installed a whole bunch of stuff that I shouldn't have and I can't remember what it was (one of my dislikes with the packaging system, no easy way to just "completly remove" something with an obscure name) so starting from scratch with a light reference list wouldn't be a bad idea
10:09<babilen>shiznatix: Yeah, but what do you ean by "completely remove something with an obscure name" ?
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10:10<babilen>wouldn't something like "aptitude purge something-with-an-obscure-name" do the trick?
10:10<shiznatix>For example I was trying to install and configure a mail server (more difficult than it should be) and I installed a bunch of different things that I don't remember the names of. Now I don't remember the names and can't see an easy-to-read list of packages that I installed with a brief description. I hate to say it but in this way Windows is easier with the "add/remove programs" thing
10:11<babilen>shiznatix: run "aptitude" in a console
10:11<babilen>there are also gtk frontends ... (aptitude-gtk)
10:11<kevin_>a fun way to get lost :-)
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10:12<babilen>shiznatix: And note that Debian installs the exim4 MTA by default, "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" to set it up
10:13<babilen>shiznatix: aptitude-gtk is not in lenny though, but there are a bunch of other frontends if you dislike the ncurses interface
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10:14<babilen>shiznatix: (for example)
10:14<kenoby>anyone familiar with this "removed sound device" popup that keeps appearing on squeeze? Sound keeps working anyway
10:16<shiznatix>Roger that. I will certainly look into that aptitude-gtk. The rest of the situation I think I can handle. Thanks for the advice
10:17<babilen>shiznatix: Good luck and have fun :)
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10:31<ComradeHaz`>Hi all. When running dd_rescue and it failing to read blocks, will it keep trying to read them until I stop it? If not, how do I make it try to read them again without starting over?
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10:34<Aleric>CompWizrd: Did you read ?
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11:02<disinpho>what implementation of ipsec as vpn would you recommend for debian 2.6 Paravirt? ive been looking at openswan and isec-tools/racoon
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11:06<And1>Hi folks, how should I best creat a vfat filesystem on a USB drive and create one partiton on it?
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11:15<jpinx-eeepc>And1: most USB sticks come with vfat and a single partition
11:16<Class>I have ugly qt fonts
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11:16<Class>i try this
11:17<Class>but no progress
11:17<Class>can anyone help me with this ?
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11:18<Aleric>This damn RAM disk (ANS-9010) is connected with 3.0 Gbps SATA, but only does 160 MB/s :/
11:18<Aleric>But the seek time is nice: Results: 12831 seeks/second, 0.08 ms random access time
11:18<And1>jpinx-eeepc: Yup, that's why I want that again.
11:18<And1>jpinx-eeepc: It now isn't vfat, for sure.
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11:19<jpinx-eeepc>And1: cfdisk is pretty good - just make a single partition and accept the default sizes etc and vfat fs, then use mkfs.vfat
11:20<jpinx-eeepc>And1: but be warned that linux created vfat partitions are not always windows friendly. If you have a windows machine - use it
11:22<And1>I don't have one. I'll try it like you said. :)
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11:40<disinpho>ipsec on debian 1.6 paravirt: openswan or ipsec-tools/racoon? any recommendations or experiences?
11:40<disinpho>for vpn ofc
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11:41<zl0ty>anyone use weechat?
11:42<zl0ty>is there shortcut for closing window(buffer)?
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11:51<disinpho>ipsec for vpn on debian 1.6 paravirt: openswan or ipsec-tools/racoon? any recommendations or experiences?
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12:00<gsimmons>zl0ty: Not AFAIK, but you can bind a key to '/buffer close'; refer to the Quick Start Guide.
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12:13<sv>can anybody jelp me on PAN
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12:14*babilen jelps sv's PAN
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12:15<babilen>sv: Could you please rephrase that question. I don't understand what you are referring to.
12:15<sv>I am using Ubuntu 10.10
12:16<cahoot>polyarteritis nodosa
12:16<sv>When i connected my phone via bluetooth
12:16<babilen>sv: Well, you are in the wrong place then. Try #ubuntu on
12:16<sv>it ahowed something about PAN
12:16<sv>ok thanls
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12:45<charnel>hay alquien
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12:46<charnel>aqu ni hay nadie
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12:48<charnel>e k ase
12:48<solid_snake>po na aki tamo y tu
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12:49<charnel>lo mismo aqui aburrido
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12:50<charnel>no speak spanish
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12:51<dpkg>Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
12:51<utente>hi people. heared about the 'magic' patch to speed ud the scheduler? could be possible to have it into squeeze?
12:52<Hydroxide>utente: no, it's way too close to release to do something that could have unforeseen consequences like that, especially in a way for servers where that patch could hurt more than help. however, one of the other news articles mentioned a series of commands that gives a very comparable effect
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12:54<Hydroxide>utente: feel free to do that, or to recompile your own kernel with the patch applied, if you want to take the security-related responsibility of not using a precompiled debian kernel. (you can still apply the patch to each new debian kernel release.)
12:54<utente>Hydroxide, yes, i have eared something about command line istruction to have the same behaviour of patch, but for the moment i was not able to collect more detailed info... any links?
12:54<Hydroxide>utente: I don't have any links handy, but if you search for cgroup scheduler bashrc commands, those seem likely to turn something up
12:54<Hydroxide>based on what I remember reading
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12:55<utente>Hydroxide, it is not urgent matter, but patch seems to be so smart, and i still suffer that debian is always 'one step back' than others... but stability came first, eheheh
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12:56<jhutchins_lt>utente: It will be incorporated in a Debian kernel eventually.
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12:57<jhutchins_lt>utente: Remember, debian patches it's packages pretty heavily, so comparing version numbers with non-debian packages doesn't always tell you what you think it does.
12:57<utente>jhutchins_lt, yep, i am used to wait.
12:57<Hydroxide>utente: any distribution vendor that's planning to release in a small number of months from now and wants to have a kernel that's useful in servers as well as desktops would be irresponsible to apply that patch
12:58<Hydroxide>utente: and if I'm not mistaken, the sequence of commands that were reported on apply basically the same logic as the kernel patch
12:58<utente>Hydroxide, i know2, i know im debian user since 2000, i know the game we play
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12:59<utente>no problem to wait debina time, i will do my own kernel wen patch will be ioncorporated into linux, just for test and fun
12:59<MeglaW>i tryed to explain to a friend why he should download debian insted of ubuntu, and the best thing i could come up with was "its the windows version of linux"
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13:00<utente>MeglaW, tell him thast ubuntu is swaili word that means 'i am not able to install debian' :D
13:01<MeglaW>i will!
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13:11<abrotman>!why debian
13:11<dpkg>Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also (archived at . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian.
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13:17<catsup_>debian isn't for everybody
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13:33<XarK>is it possible to run xen 3.2.1 on 2.6.32 kernel ?
13:33<XarK>(on lenny from bpo)
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13:37<mjt>lenny kernel does not support xen
13:37<mjt>linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-686 should work
13:38<XarK>is working but with xen 4.0
13:38<XarK>I need it to run 3.2.1
13:38<mjt>so install xen 4
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13:39<XarK>because I dont have time for testing xen 4.0
13:39<XarK>moving to 4.0 will be next step
13:39<mjt>but you have time for testing lenny kernel?
13:39<XarK>now I need newer kernel with mpt2sas module
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13:53<ComradeHaz`>Hi all. I'm in the process of rescuing a drive with dd_rescue. I pretty well understand the principal of what's going on but have a couple of questions googling is not revealing the answer to. 1) When this pass completes what will happen? There are blocks it's failed to read on this pass. If it doesn't automatically try another pass, how do I make it try to get more without starting over?
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13:54<ComradeHaz`>Second, once I have got as much from the drive as I can, is there anything I should do to the new drive such as filesystem checks?
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13:55<Vivek>Why am I getting this error ?
13:58<jordanm>Vivek: your running SELinux?\
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13:59<jordanm>Vivek: can you set contexts on other files, or that one manually?
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14:01<Vivek>jordanm: Yes SELinux in permissive modes.
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14:03<jordanm>Vivek: what is the output of ls -Z /etc/localtime?
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14:04<jhutchins_lt>ComradeHaz`: Multiple passes are unlikely to yeild more data, if it's gone it's gone. Yes, check the new filesystem. You should probably transfer data manually to another medium; do NOT trust binary or system files - do a re-install to recover the actual system.
14:05<jhutchins_lt>Vivek: One of the reasons that cross-posting is discouraged is because if someone answers you while you're on another network you won't see the answer.
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14:07<jordanm>Vivek: nfs_t? is /etc actually on a nfs share?
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14:10<ComradeHaz`>hmm, jhutchins, understood, but with regard reinstalling filesystem, would a repair do?
14:10*jordanm didn't know reiserfs supported selinux contexts
14:11<ComradeHaz`>sorry, not filesystem, I mean operating system
14:11<jordanm>Vivek: what version of debian is this?
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14:15<ComradeHaz`>jhutchins, I understand getting more data is unlikely but I'd be foolish not to try. How do I try to get more without starting over?
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14:16<jhutchins_lt>ComradeHaz`: Dunno, see what resources dd_rescue has in manpages, /usr/share/doc, and on-line.
14:16<ComradeHaz`>aye, it's not totally obvious
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14:17<ComradeHaz`>I think you just repeat the command and it does it, but it doesn't state that outright
14:17<ComradeHaz`>last thing I want is to start again :/
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14:20<Vivek>jordanm: Debian Testing.
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14:27<ompaul>Ganneff: pm if I may
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14:30<Kendall>Hi, I'm having a problem on Debian 3.1 where "netstat -s" gives "error parsing /proc/net/snmp: Success" What's that about?
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14:40<retrospectacus>Kendall: such an old Debian cannot be supported
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14:41<Kendall>retrospectacus: thanks, I understand. I guess I'll try updating the net-tools package and see if that doesn't resolve it
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14:48<ompaul>Ganneff: it was a mirroring question, it suddenly disappeared, found the answer
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14:53<dennis-p>I used the debian beta squeeze net-installer CD I choose graphic installer and all went well, d/l-ing the kernel and installing, but now it's downloading some more but started acting weird now.
14:53<dennis-p>caps lock and scroll lock are blinking
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14:53<dennis-p>and the mouse no longer moves the pointer
14:53<dennis-p>the screen no longer seems to refresh
14:54<mjt>does numlock key work?
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14:56<dennis-p>hitting numlock does nothing
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14:57<dennis-p>the graphic installer does not light up the keyboard led for numlock, the screen stays frozen. The blinking of the other two continues.
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15:00<dennis-p>mjt: ?
15:01<mjt>blinking means you've got a kernel panic
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15:02<mjt>hit reset
15:02<mjt>no other thing you can do now
15:02<mjt>i missed the blinking part
15:03<dennis-p>ok, I'll start the again but with the text net-install now
15:04<mjt>its unlikely you'll hit it again
15:04<mjt>it's your current (lenny?) kernel who crashed
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15:04<dennis-p>install beta squeeze kernel
15:04<mjt>oh, it's not upgrade, it's new install
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15:08<dennis-p>I'm just glad debian worked around the old reiserfs /home it did not want to use for any mountpoint.
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15:16<hpvincent>hi all, on squeeze I don't find knetworkmanager after installing kde-standard
15:16<hpvincent>what package does provide it ? is there an alternative (using networkmanager) ?
15:17<retrospectacus>!tell hpvincent -about search
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15:22<Zokudu>How bad of an idea is it to install the fglrx driver using the AMD provided installed vs going through the official repos?
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15:23<muep>Zokudu: quite bad, imo
15:24<Zokudu>well I'm having the issue of the fglrx-source package in the repos will not build with the squeeze kernel
15:24<muep>because their installer does not seem very reversible, not very high quality otherwise, either
15:24<muep>and drivers installed that way will break when you upgrade your kernel
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15:31<Zokudu>so if I'm reading this bug correctly:
15:31<Zokudu>then theres no way to build fglrx in squeeze until those fixed get migrated over?
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15:40<chealer>Zokudu: it already migrated
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15:46<ComradeHaz`>Hi there, is there anyone around who knows dd_rescue well?
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15:49<Zokudu>@chealer I am getting that exact error log when trying to build fglrx though
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15:59<Botkin>i am russian user
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15:59<Botkin>what channel aid to me?
15:59<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ or use English here.
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16:01<Kendall>why would my /proc/net/snmp be missing the TcpExt line?
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16:08<chealer>Zokudu: well if you have that exact log, you don't have the right fglrx version
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16:10<dajhorn>ComradeHaz`: What problem do you have with dd_rescue?
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16:12<ComradeHaz`>Hi dajhorn. recovering a drive using dd_rescue. Copying one drive to another. I have run a complete 'pass' but it failed to read a bunch of blocks. Command I ran was "dd_rescue -v -b 10M /dev/sdb /dev/sda" I then wanted to try to get some of those blocks it had failed to get. I knew all was good after ipos 450560 so I tried reversing from there by running "dd_rescue -r -s450560 -v /dev/sdb.....
16:12<ComradeHaz`>/dev/sda" that didn't seem to do anything though, it didn't give an error but the output didn't help much. Obviously I have read man pages and looked on google and I now wonder abou the neccessity of a log file. I have tried specifying a log file now and the behaviour seems to be exactly the same. I basically have 2 questions given all this. 1) is it possible to go back and try to get more.....
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16:13<ComradeHaz`>without restarting, and if it is, am I going about it the right way. Secondly, is my destination messed up now's I've run and cancelled dd_rescue attempts to it.
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16:20<cusco>Im still having trouble installing grub on a md device
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16:22<dpkg>smais: VATTENE VIA!
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16:47<gbauman>Is it possible to copy the contents of / onto new FS on a smaller device, swap out / to point to the new FS, unmount the original, shrink it, and then remount the original root? (Remote shrink of ext4 root is what I'm tring for, would like to avoid a long drive)
16:47<gbauman>I'm out on a limb I know
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16:57<uldics>Hi! Have installed proprietary fglrx. Max resolution is 1280x1024, but I want 1600x1200. xorg.conf created by fglrx installer. If I delete xorg.conf I get automatically 1600x1200 , but no hardware acceleration, no 3D games, no Compiz Fusion.
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16:57<miki_>how to install grub using debian installer?
16:57<miki_>when I choose to install grub it goes to p[artitioning
16:57<miki_>but I don't want to partition
16:57*smv pokes acu
16:58<retrospectacus>!tell miki_ -about fixmbr
16:59<f0rk>!tell f0rk -about fixmbr
16:59<retrospectacus>!tell f0rk -about selftell
16:59<acu>smv: acu can't be poked
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16:59<f0rk>wait, why would that be considered spam?
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17:01<smv>f0rk, check again what spam means ;)
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17:01<retrospectacus>because it's pointless - no one else needs to see it.
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17:03<miki_>I'v done what dpkg said and grub returned "the file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly"
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17:05<uldics>Anyone can help me with my resolution problem?
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17:07<And1>Hi folks, I need information about my SATA controller. What else can I use besides lspci?
17:09<koollman>dmidecode or hwinfo
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17:11<And1>Thanks koollman.
17:11<And1>hwinfo worked good. :)
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18:03<jhutchins_lt>It's possible that no hardware acceleration is available at the higher resolution.
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18:20<jeremyb>so, i've no idea how this happened but my /boot partition seems to be gone and i can still boot but then fsck fails because it can't find /boot
18:21<jeremyb>given i have a system up and apparently working, how do i get dpkg to fix /boot ?
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18:27<cusco>jeremyb: you had a partition mounted in /boot but now that partition is not mounted you have a kernel, initrd and grub on /boot
18:27<cusco>belonging to partition /
18:27<cusco>what happens if you try to mount /boot?
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18:32<retrospectacus>it will say directory not empty, probably
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18:34<mjt>mount does not care if the dir is empty or not
18:35<mjt>if it was non-empty the old content will be hidden by the mounted filesystem
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18:35<jeremyb>cusco: tune2fs -l says bad magic # in super block. mount says must specify fs type and then i specify and it says wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock
18:36<jeremyb>i'm assuming /boot is lost. i'll make a new one but then i need to reinstall grub, etc.
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18:36<jeremyb>i was hoping i could just tell dpkg to make it right once i had a new /boot mounted
18:37<tester>Hello all, i have an issue with GParted, can someone help me?
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18:38<mjt>jeremyb: tune2fs says that about what?
18:38<tester>I am trying to open it and it just seems that its doesnt open
18:39<tester>And now it doesn't even load
18:40<retrospectacus>tester: run as regular user on cli: gksu gparted
18:40<retrospectacus>what happens?
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18:41<jeremyb>mjt: $ (sudo tune2fs -l /dev/sda1 2>&1 | fgrep -v 17-May-2010; cat /etc/debian_version) | perl -pe 's/\n/; /g';echo
18:41<jeremyb>tune2fs: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sda1; Couldn't find valid filesystem superblock.; squeeze/sid;
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18:42<tester>retrospectacus, What do you mean regular user on cli? i am new to debian so i don't have a clue.
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18:42<king>big screen problem, mostly in VM, but effecting my desktop as well
18:43<retrospectacus>tester: in a terminal. Are you using gnome?
18:43<king>how do i change my screen resolution, trying to configure X in terminal just isn't working
18:43<cusco>jeremyb: tried fsck on /dev/sda1
18:43<tester>retrospectacus, Nope, i am using LXDE
18:44<cusco>there is a flag to fix superblock I think
18:44<jeremyb>cusco: the only reason i'm here is fsck failed...
18:44<cusco>show us?
18:45<cusco>fsck -p -b
18:45<cusco>I think
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18:47<mjt>jeremyb: what's the fs type for /dev/sda1 aka /boot? does fstab list it?
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18:47<jeremyb>yes, it says ext2
18:47<mjt>jeremyb: i suspect fsck complains about the same superblock issue
18:48<mjt>jeremyb: try mke2fs -n /dev/sda1
18:48<Zokudu>I cant figure out why the google and wine repos will not load. They are in my sources.list correctly but I cannot get any packages from them
18:48<mjt>jeremyb: that will tell you the parameters it uses for the filesystem, but it wont actually create it
18:48<king>er, how do i adjust my screen res, in a VM debian is super huge, bigger than my monitor, on a desktop its smooshed on the top of the screen
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18:49<mjt>jeremyb: from there, note the superblock locations (several numbers), and try e2fsck -b $superblock /dev/sda1
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18:50<mjt>jeremyb: makes sense?
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18:50<jeremyb>mjt: kinda... i really just wish i could mke2fs and let dpkg dtrt
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18:51<mjt>dpkg wont do anything for you in this situation
18:51<dpkg>mjt: I don't know, could you explain it?
18:51<mjt>shut up
18:51<cusco>dpkg is a package manager. You are not handling packages
18:51<dpkg>cusco: wish i knew
18:51<jeremyb>mjt: repair the packages that reside on /boot and are now broken?
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18:52<cusco>jeremyb: Im sure you could easely reinstall the linux image and grub
18:52<cusco>but you would be better off doing what mjt said
18:52<mjt>you'll need to reinstall grub for one thing, and kernel.
18:52<cusco>seems simple enough
18:53<king>i'll come by again later...
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18:53<mjt>jeremyb: please understand - once you mkfs it, your system will become unbootable till you complete whole thing
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18:54<mjt>ie, restore the missing files (reinstall pkgs and regenerate initramfs) and reinstall grub
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18:54<mjt>it is interesting that grub recognizes this as a valid filesystem while linux does not
18:55<jeremyb>mjt: yeah, i figured but really i don't understand why it's bootable at all now
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18:55<jeremyb>(i am actually pastebinning as we chat...)
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18:58<mjt>jeremyb: you're quite capable of re-formatting and restoring stuff by your own, just be careful.
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19:01<jeremyb>mjt: well should i have dpkg go through the whole system to list broken pkgs or just tell aptitude explicitly which ones to fix? is kernel and grub all i need?
19:01*jeremyb tried pastebinit for the first time and it's not being friendly
19:01<mjt>dpkg -S /boot
19:01<dpkg>You Fool! /boot is installed!
19:02<jeremyb>dpkg what's the meaning of life the universe and everything?
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19:02<dpkg>jeremyb: i don't know
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19:03<mjt>dpkg: stupid bot
19:03<dpkg>no, stupid mjt
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19:05<mjt>you need to reinstall kernel package and reinstall grub (like grub-install), and whatever dpkg tell you about /boot
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19:05<jeremyb>do people put dpkg finding broken stuff in cron?
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19:06<Hydroxide>jeremyb: pastebinit? is that a new implementation of PID 1 that relies on behavior from snippets? I hope not!
19:06<jeremyb>are you in class? :)
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19:06<Hydroxide>jeremyb: I am in class, yes ... contrats :)
19:07<Hydroxide>jeremyb: I'm able to multitask to the necessary degree right now :) anyway, PID 1 is the first thing the kernel runs, usually /sbin/init
19:07<Hydroxide>which runs (almost) everything else
19:07<jeremyb>teach them to write contracts in latex and through in some version control
19:08<Zokudu>I cant figure out why the google and wine repos will not load. They are in my sources.list correctly but I cannot get any packages from them
19:08<jeremyb>google has a public deb repo?
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19:10<edbian>In order to get java apps to work in the browser all I have to install is sun-java6-jre right?
19:10<jeremyb>i assume that depends on the browser
19:10<edbian>jeremyb, iceweasel
19:11*jeremyb defers to someone that knows
19:11<jeremyb>edbian: are you having an actual problem?
19:11<edbian>jeremyb, yep
19:11<jeremyb>so... tell us about it?
19:11<Hydroxide>edbian: probably sun-java6-plugin
19:12<edbian>Hydroxide, trying it now
19:12<jeremyb>Hydroxide: are you on microb?
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19:12<Hydroxide>jeremyb: eh? that's a phone web browser. right now I'm on my computer, and I don't use web for IRC anyway
19:13<Hydroxide>jeremyb: when I browse from my phone, I've been using firefox mobile 1.1 lately (4.0 is still in beta and 1.1 works fine)
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19:13*jeremyb wasn't talking about IRC
19:13<Hydroxide>jeremyb: I still have the default n900 browser, which is microb
19:13<Hydroxide>which I use sometimes, but less often
19:13<jeremyb>how do the gecko versions compare?
19:13<themill>edbian: a *-plugin is going to be more useful for a plugin. /msg dpkg install java
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19:13<edbian>themill, seems to be working now
19:14<edbian>Thanks for the help guys!
19:14<Hydroxide>jeremyb: I haven't noticed relevant differences in the gecko functionality. then again I haven't done a detailed comparison, nor an explicit version number comparison
19:14<Hydroxide>edbian: you're welcome!
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19:14<jeremyb>Hydroxide: i meant version #s
19:15<Rushless>hi all!
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19:17<Hydroxide>jeremyb: one sec, I'll tail -f an apache log and use both browsers and tell you :)
19:18<_irssi>!what are we going to do tonight
19:18<dpkg>_irssi: Same thing we do every night. Try to take over the world.
19:18<Hydroxide>jeremyb: we should probably move to /msg, though - this is off-topic and non-transient
19:18*jeremyb doesn't parse non-transient
19:18<jeremyb>but sure
19:19<Hydroxide>jeremyb: i.e., going on for a while
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19:21<jeremyb>Hydroxide: idk... i was thinking about transient in terms of SMTP errors... but i need to reread that spec
19:21<Hydroxide>jeremyb: ah. I was speaking english, not SMTP :)
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19:23<Scoldog>does anyone know how to set a single IP address exclusion in the middle of a DHCP range in dhcpd.conf?
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19:28<Zokudu>I cant figure out why the google and wine repos will not load. They are in my sources.list correctly but I cannot get any packages from them
19:28<retrospectacus>did you apt-get update?
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19:29<Zokudu>well aptitude update
19:30<retrospectacus>with no errors? then you try to aptitude install what? says not found?
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19:31<Zokudu>well i use apt-cache policy and it lists the wine version from the debain main repos and the chromium browser from the google testing repo not the stable
19:32<retrospectacus>it's because your running system is stable and the available version is for testing
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19:33<retrospectacus>you can try and install it anyways like "apt-get -t testing install thing"
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19:40<Zokudu>@retrospectacus but I'm running squeeze
19:42<retrospectacus>please make a pastebin with your commands and outputs, sources.list, apt-cache policies, etc.
19:44<Zokudu>k waiting on pastebin its "upgrading"
19:44<retrospectacus>there are many pastebins
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19:49<wizard>anyone know how I can install xvid codec
19:49<devil>Zokudu: its chromium-browser, not chromium
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19:50<devil>at least thats the packagename in debian
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19:51<Zokudu>sorry but yea the idea is its only pulling from the debian repos and not the google or wine oens
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19:53<jeremyb>hrmm.... $ sudo mount /boot
19:53<jeremyb>mount: Stale NFS file handle
19:53<jeremyb>mjt: ?
19:54*jeremyb ended up just mke2fsing
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19:59<Zokudu>im thinking this is only an issue if theres a package in the main repos with the same name as a package in one of my external repos. Because Opera installed fine
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20:01<devil>Zokudu: i told you the other day your wine repo works for me
20:01<devil>chromium i didnt try as i have a newer version than google
20:01<Zokudu>I know and it broke again
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20:20<chien>not news about poker th ..?
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20:21<devil>chien: whats wrong with it?
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20:24<chien>salut devil.but poker th only poker open source...
20:24<devil>chien: its in debian, apt-get it
20:24<gord>Hey guys, just wondering if there's a way to install nvidia drivers or otherwise get full 3d acceleration on squeeze with modesetting.
20:24<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see . If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
20:25<devil>gord: nvidia does not know kms
20:25<gord>Then emphasizing the second part, is there a way to otherwise get full 3d acceleration in squeeze?
20:25<chien>and no more servers...?!devil.
20:26<devil>gord: yes. look at the link
20:26<devil>chien: i dont understand
20:26<devil>chien: are you talking of playing online?
20:27<_irssi>!why nvidia-installer sucks
20:27<dpkg>nvidia-installer works fine for you today, granted. Let's say tomorrow Xorg is updated -- the nvidia driver will break. If you try to uninstall nvidia (nvidia-installer --uninstall), then you break Xorg badly. nvidia-installer overwrites files at random, and has NO CONCEPT of package management. We recommend against using it based on extensive experience. USE THE DEBIAN PACKAGES. Ask me about <nvidia>.
20:28<chien> sorry we are a buenos chicos you poker devil..?
20:28<devil>chien: no.
20:29<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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20:34<jeremyb>any ideas about that ESTALE?
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20:40<chien>on parle en french ici..?
20:41<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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20:44<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.36-trunk-686 (2.6.36-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-27); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-27); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-26~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-25lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2)
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20:46<retrospectacus>,versions libc6
20:46<judd>Package libc6 on i386 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1; etch-security: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1; lenny: 2.7-18lenny4; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny6; squeeze-security: 2.11.2-6+squeeze1; sid: 2.11.2-7; squeeze: 2.11.2-7
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20:49<chien>no more pakage medibuntu. look for libsdvd-read4.merci.
20:50<retrospectacus>I installed the new squeeze kernel. Should I upgrade libc6 before or after reboot into the new kernel?
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20:53<chien>what about medibuntu..?
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20:54<retrospectacus>chien: this channel is for Debian. We don't know anything about ubuntu
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20:55<chien>but it's same spartacus...
20:56<Nemoder>!based on debian
20:56<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
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20:57<chien>yes merci debian..!
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20:58<chien>yes it's retro..!
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21:00<retrospectacus>chien: "medibuntu" is clearly a ubuntu-specific thing. Of course we don't know or care about it
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21:03<amphi>!tell chien -about tab completion
21:03<chien> read commercial dvd..sorry.
21:03<devil>chien: libdvdcss
21:03<devil>its only in debian-multimedia
21:04<devil>be careful with that repo, it bites :)
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21:06<chien> hola amphi tab completion..?vat is das?!
21:06<retrospectacus>why does upgrade always want to install stupid crap like bluez and cheese - I don't have webcam or bluetooth
21:06<chien>yes devil !!!
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21:07<chien>rip some dvd...
21:08<cthuluh>chien: please behave
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21:10<chien>where libdvdcss...?
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21:11<nevyn>but blue cheese is awesome...
21:11<nasuta-work>chien, see in mm
21:12<chien>yes a good roquefort...!
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21:13<chien>good cheese no cool for girls...
21:14<jeremyb>chien: huh?
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21:16<cthuluh>chien: you are aware that there are french speaking support channels for debian, right?
21:17<chien>be serious.!
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21:17<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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21:20<chien>i like lovecraft cthuluh.
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21:23<chien>ok no more cheese..?
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21:26<vook>one more time ?
21:26<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
21:26<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
21:27<nasuta-work>vook, !ot = offtopic
21:27<vook>ok, just testing
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21:28<chien>no question ...?
21:28<nasuta-work>!tell vook !ot
21:28<nasuta-work>!tell vook ot
21:28<celtic>try 'about'
21:28<celtic>(tell X about Y)
21:28<vook>ok - I got it - trying to drive the point home to chien
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21:29<chien> in irun very beautifull girls...
21:30<nasuta-work>!tell me about life
21:31<nasuta-work>!tell chien about life
21:31<chien>if you are cool y simpatico ...
21:31<vook>!tell me about ignore
21:31<celtic>vook, nasuta: you can talk to dpkg via private message (so as to avoid clogging the channel)
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21:34<nasuta-work>sorry celtic
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21:35<chien>on the other side of pyrennées...
21:36<vook>I've always wondered how I can do that - just talk to dpkg and test it out without bugging everyone... (I asked in #debian-offtopic too)
21:37<vook>although asking how to use dpkg is somewhat on-topic
21:44<chien>tiene ijitos?
21:46<faheem_>hi everyone. is there a canonical place where updates from the release team are posted?
21:46<faheem_>google isn't very helpful about this.
21:46<faheem_>i know they had one fairly recently.
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21:47<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
21:47<chien>vaya tio...
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21:48<chien>nasuta terrible..!!
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21:49<nasuta-work>chien, terrible is my second name
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21:49<faheem_>hmm. this one looks pretty current -
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21:51<celtic>nasuta-work: faheem_ is not talking about ubuntu
21:51<faheem_>hmm, "it is a good time for the"
21:51<chien>nasuta play poker?
21:51<celtic>faheem_: they go out to debian-devel-announce
21:51<gsimmons>faheem_: You probably would want to subscribe to debian-devel-announce ; /msg dpkg dda
21:52<chien>or is just terrible...?
21:52<faheem_>"it is a good time for the brave to upgrade their systems" - wonder how brave i am
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21:52<Zokudu>@smart questions
21:52<Zokudu>!smart questions
21:52<dpkg>Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: - Be sure to look at the section - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with helpers. Also ask me about <reportbug>.
21:52<faheem_>celtic, gsimmons: thanks
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21:53<chien>anything about medibuntu...?
21:54<celtic>chien: we do *not* support ubuntu here.
21:54<celtic>chien: try #ubuntu on
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21:55<faheem_>i see graphical installer is listed in the squeeze notes. wasn't there a graphical installer for lenny?
21:55<Zokudu>For some reason 2 of my sources in my sources.list will not allow me to download packages from them. I added the sources did aptitude update and no errors but apt-cache policy does not show the correct version number only the outdated version from the debian main repos
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21:56<faheem_>Zokudu: what sources are those?
21:56<Zokudu>however apt-get update says there are malformed release files. I hate one of these sources working last week but the issue has reappeared
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21:56<immrpablo>backtrack is weird im so used to lucid 10.04
21:56<Zokudu>the wine repo and the google repo
21:56<celtic>faheem_: i'm guessing there are significant changes to the graphical installer that need documenting for squeeze
21:56<faheem_>Zokudu: hmm. try renaming the offending files and rerunning
21:57<imperium>hello, i got error when i dist-upgrade: . is there a way to fix this without restart ?
21:57<faheem_>renaming to .orig for example
21:57<Zokudu>which offending files? I dont have wine or chromium-browser installed
21:57<celtic>immrpablo: note that you're in #debian, so neither backtrack nor ubuntu are topics here
21:58<faheem_>Zokudu: the release files, if it says that they are malformed.
21:58<faheem_>Zokudu: these things get cached on your system
21:58<Zokudu>how do i uncache them where would the files be located
21:59<faheem_>Zokudu: if you paste the error message, maybe someone can give more precise suggestions
21:59<faheem_>Zokudu: don't uncache, just rename
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22:00<faheem_>Zokudu: /var/lib/apt/lists possibly
22:01<faheem_>or if you are using aptitude (which i don't) then maybe the corresponding aptitude entry
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22:01<celtic>faheem_: aptitude surely uses the same files !
22:01<faheem_>celtic: you get a lot of ubuntu people here?
22:02<faheem_>celtic: ok.
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22:02<celtic>faheem_: (I don't mean I'm certain about that, but I'd hope so! I believe they use the same libraries underneath)
22:02<faheem_>never used aptitude, so...
22:02<celtic>and I see a few people seeking ubuntu support, I think XChat in a certain release of ubuntu is configured to join here by default?
22:02<celtic>possibly because they didn't change the debian (i.e. upstream) packaging
22:02<faheem_>celtic: right. well, there is a certain amount of parallel infrastructure
22:03<faheem_>celtic: thats annoying. re xchat
22:03<Zokudu>and these errors only appear when i use apt-get update not aptitude update
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22:04<Zokudu>the opera gpg errors happens a lot i just have to resign the opera one the issue is the wine and google ones
22:05<faheem_>Zokudu: paste your sources.list lines as well. i like as it lets you annotate
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22:05<faheem_>Zokudu: /var/lib/apt/lists# ls *google*
22:06<celtic>faheem_: sure there's a lot of parallelism, but unfortunately the differences between the two often mean we're useless when trying to help them here, and it's just frustrating for everyone. we can't guess what changes they make downstream of us, and recently those are becoming more and more major
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22:06<celtic>faheem_: xchat thing is a bit irritating, but you can't help it really.
22:06<faheem_>look at the release files. is this for chrome?
22:06<faheem_>celtic: right
22:07<faheem_>celtic: if you are talking about ubuntu support, clearly it's not your problem
22:07<faheem_>and if canonical wants the debian community to offer free support, well...
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22:08<faheem_>Zokudu: as regards deb stable all - look at the release file for that
22:10<faheem_>Zokudu: hang on. i think you have a typo
22:10<faheem_>you've got "stable all"
22:10<faheem_>it is complaining about all
22:10<faheem_>are you sure you have that correct? what is your source?
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22:11<celtic>looks like it oughta be "... stable non-free main"
22:11<faheem_>celtic: that's more standard, yes
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22:12<faheem_>similarly for deb-src squeeze main
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22:13<faheem_>it's complaining it can't find main for squeeze.
22:13<faheem_>i'd check that too
22:14<faheem_>hmm. according to that is correct
22:15<faheem_>though it only advertises deb. maybe they don't have deb-src
22:15<faheem_>does the corresponding deb line work?
22:16<faheem_>if so, i'
22:16<faheem_>i'd shoot the relevant people an email and ask them
22:17<vook>imperium: it looks like you are trying to install 64 bit on top of 32 bit.
22:17<imperium>vook: im using amd64
22:18<vook>imperium: did you have a 32 bit installation ?
22:18<imperium>vook: yes i have several package use 32-bit
22:18<vook>just follow what dpkg says, but read carefully - apt-get -f install
22:19<vook>imperium: oh, I see
22:19<imperium>i've tried apt-get -f install (line 87
22:19<vook>imperium: sorry - I now see
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22:19<vook>imperium: did you try apt-get autoremove ?
22:20<imperium>not yet, ill try now
22:20<vook>imperium: don't forget about aptitude. Nothing really wrong with apt-get, but aptitude sometimes runs more smoothly
22:23<chien>bash bash bash...carajo..!
22:26<Zokudu>omg omg omg thank you guys
22:26<Zokudu>sorry i got pulled away but theres no deb-src for the wine repo and the google one was a typo indeed
22:26<chien>something about python..?
22:26<imperium>vook: fixed now. i had to dpkg -r ia32-libs-workaround-499043 . tyvm.
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22:31<faheem_>Zokudu: you could ask the wine people to put the src online. it's customarily done
22:31<Zokudu>will do
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22:33<Zokudu>And thanks a ton faheen and celtic youve made my evening
22:33<celtic>have a good one!
22:34<faheem_>Zokudu: sure thing
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22:40<vook>I seek assistance really getting my Macbook-Pro optimized and running perfectly in Debian. Currently nearly everything runs well, but the battery drains exceptionally fast (2 hours max, 5 hours in Mac OS). Any assistance would be appreciated.
22:41<vook>I don't expect to get 5 hours in Debian, but 3.5 or 4 would be nice.
22:44<celtic>vook: I don't know about these things, but is there full ACPI support for MBPs?
22:45<vook>what is MBPs ? But no, there probably isn't full ACPI support for this.
22:45<EmleyMoor>When the sync goes on my TV card, there are lots of errors going into dmesg: - is it a faulty card?
22:45<faheem_>vook: mac book pro
22:46<vook>If I keep the cpu governer at powersave that may help, and watch the display, turn off keyboard lights, etc..
22:48<vook>this MBP is 99.9 non Apple hw, seems like there should be a way...
22:48<vook>possibly 100%
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22:50<vook>bleh - some gentoo user is disabling the second core - probably wouldn't hurt.
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22:51<celtic>that seems a pity :|
22:51<Zokudu>whats in the linux-firmware-nonfree package dpkg has no info on it
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22:51<Zokudu>i eman linux-firmware-free*
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22:59<EmleyMoor>Have there been any reports from anyone other than me of iwlwifi being unreliable in squeeze?
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23:02<Zokudu>define unreliable
23:03<EmleyMoor>Zokudu: Often falls off network and regularly difficult to reconnect
23:04<vook>EmleyMoor: I used to have a 2200bg chipset - it worked fine, but I didn't use the non-free package
23:05*EmleyMoor doesn't use the non-free package either
23:05<EmleyMoor>This is a 3945ABG
23:06*vook tends to skip the non-free packs and go straight to the manufacturer
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23:06*EmleyMoor tends to steer clear of both!
23:08<EmleyMoor>Actually, it's a 5100
23:08<Zokudu>1 sec
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23:10<Zokudu>I found that unchecking require ipv4 addressing for this connection to complete helps my connection at my school
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23:11<EmleyMoor>... and where do you uncheck thatL
23:11<Zokudu>in network connections under the wireless settings
23:12<EmleyMoor>Zokudu: Presumably you have IPv6 there?
23:13<Zokudu>i guess ive never had issues elsewhere
23:14<Zokudu>but i was having issues connecting and it would disconnect a lot
23:14<Zokudu>and that fixed the issue
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23:14<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... I will see...
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23:31<john>can anybody help me install a theme
23:31<EmleyMoor>A theme for what exactly?
23:32<john>i have the theme extracted to my desktop, but i can't put it in the themes folder
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23:32<john>for the desktop
23:32<john>and the rest of the screens
23:32<EmleyMoor>Which desktop?
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23:32<john>i'm using xubuntu
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23:33<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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23:38<faheem_>celtic: you should configure the bot to do that when the string buntu appears
23:39<EmleyMoor>faheem_: Some Debian packages have version strings containing it
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23:39<celtic>faheem_: there's usually someone here willing to say !ubuntu when they notice someone's discussing it ;-)
23:39<faheem_>EmleyMoor: that was sorta a joke
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23:40<faheem_>celtic: so i see :-)
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23:56<faheem_>I thought it would be busier here, but i don't come by often. it is off-peak right now?
23:57<celtic>good question! i'm only ever on during this kinda time, so this is all i see. it varies from day to day
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23:59<faheem_>well, it's late evening in the us, and early morning in europe, so maybe no so surprising
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